The Viall Files - E615 Reality Recap with Andrew Spencer Plus Vanderpump Dogs and the Gosselin Family Feud

Episode Date: July 25, 2023

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you're crazy what's going on everybody welcome back to another episode of the vile files reality recap edition i'm your host nick joined by the growing household ally amanda derrick genevieve are all with us today a round of applause for everyone special guest today andrew spencer returns to the vile files friend of show how many times have you been here now three four this will be my third time third fourth time fourth time yeah is this your first time solo? Because I know you've been on with Greg. You've been on with Suzy remote. And then.

Suzy was remote. You were here. Suzy was remote. I think I did another one just. I think it was after Paradise. I think I did. Okay. Yeah.

Well, welcome to have you back. Thank you, man. I appreciate it. People really enjoy your commentary, your takes, you know, your comedy. Yeah. Just waiting for my spot here as well with my little desk. Really a breath of fresh air.

You want a job? Yeah, I'm ready. If you were going to be a correspondent, what would you be the correspondent in? We'll work that out in our contract. What are you bringing to the household? I'm happy to have these discussions. Laughs.

I don't know. like a quick laugh factor what's the laugh about today and i'm bringing it what's the laugh about what's the laugh about what is the laugh about today yeah that would be perfect i want to try it out uh yeah so um if you guys don't know today as soon as we walk in Nick had dog poop on his shoe so that was your quick laugh of the day I wonder when I got that I don't know

you should check your car in the car? I think it's when we got coffee on the sidewalk I just mean if you were driving in your car I was driving in Ali car oh this morning so oops but it was just like a little just a bit on just a tip of it it wasn't even on just the tip just the tip it was literally kiki here found it yeah kiki was on high alert is that yeah i can still see some brown do Do you? Yeah. On the tip. Can you guys see it? Yeah.

I was like, what's the laugh today with Andrew Spencer? What's the laugh today? He's like, poo. Well, it's,

we're hometowns already. Jesus Christ. Oh my crap. This has gone real fast. They really bled this episode. They stretched it out into nothing. Anyways, before we get into this episode, what do we got for-

Some batch tea. Are you dating Susie? No, absolutely not. No. Not even- Absolutely not. Okay, you can deny it. You don't have to sound like you're disgusted at the idea.

You're like, ew, gross, yuck, Susie. No, that's what we decided that's what we're going to do. We're just going to completely just- Deny? Deny it hard. I feel like your tiktok would say differently but okay okay are you milking it for clicks no well no sorta sorry yeah it's funny like if people get the humor then it's part of the quick laugh yeah it's a quick laugh what's your favorite thing about suzy dude suzy is the goofiest person you'll ever meet

um and i think she's like the better version but girl version of me where she doesn't really overthink the things that she does she's just like hey i'm gonna do it and i think that's the coolest thing yeah yeah and then what's just going you said something about you just you and justin going back and forth oh yeah so justin suzy'sorette. She has her final rose and who's it going to go to? The internet's waiting. We're basically on this long going two on one right now. Oh, how sweet. He did his video with her the other day.

They did a Target run. I don't know how I felt about it, but I tried to support them. You wanted to go to Target. I wanted to be part of the video. It's intimate. If I could have a sub-in boyfriend at times, it would be to go to Target. Yeah.

You don't like Target? No. Really? Do you? I don't mind it. If you were going with somebody else's credit card, would you like Target? No.

Okay. I don't mind it. What's the like? The possibility. Yeah. The possibility of stuff. Yeah. All it is is stuff. You can get everything there. It's long-lasting stuff. Yeah. All it is is stuff.

You can get everything there. It's long lasting stuff. Is it? Some of it is. That's why it's fun. I have like a jacket that I get compliments on like every time I wear it from Target. Yeah. And some people have the nicest throw pillows from Target.

Yeah. Listen, I love a good like find, but I'm just saying anywhere, you know, whether it's Target or maybe it's Goodwill or a Rummage sale and yes, it holds a special place in your heart when you have like a staple piece that you enjoy wearing

that you like got at a good price. Yeah, you do a risk on. Yeah. That's why we go to Target. You don't go to Target to find. You just never know

what you're going to find. You never know. It's the search. The dress that I wore for the Bachelor in Paradise, what was that? Reunion? What were you guys filming?

Yeah. Target. And I was front and center. Front and center baby. Front and center. Do you regularly go to Target and look at like clothes? See the thing is I live maybe three steps from Target in Chicago. Do you grocery shop there? Yeah as well.

Oh yeah. Cheap avocados. Target for a while had avocados for 75 cents. No idea. I've never bought an avocado. There is nothing more chaotic than a Target in New York City, though. They robbed me of my joy there. Really? I couldn't go back. They do have the nice built bags.

25 square feet. No, I was overwhelmed. Andrew, do you look at prices when you grocery shop? What level of success are you? I do. You do? It just depends. Well, because Whole Foods, I shop at Whole Foods when I do grocery shopping.

And they just sometimes, I'm like, this is ridiculous. Let's be real. But most times, no. I don't really eat a lot. I know exactly what I'm going to get. I've heard that about you. Yeah, now I don't. That's right.

I'm on my Bella Hadid. I got to get skinny. What was the thing you were eating that one time and you said it was like- Well, I like to eat skinny pop. That's my thing. With a drink? No. What?

It's a popcorn. Are you thinking poppy? Oh, popcorn. Or like skinny girl margarita is how you're thinking. It's like a meal? Skinny pop? Well, I think that's like. And it's that and sweet green.

So it's like I'll get like one sweet green meal and i'll have a smoothie and i'll skinny pop that's like what i eat girl dinner girl dinner wow yeah well i mean i've been so freaking big for so long like i played football for so long i'm like dude i'm not that trying to cut down yeah okay you know i got all this like look at like my boob here dude it's like a like at least a c or something it's in there oh my god they're dancing can you do that too uh not like that i used to be able to i don't know if i can that's not an advertisement for youtube i don't know what it is you guys gotta see this his really the jump his balance and then keeps going dude i feel like i would need to wear like a sports bra sometimes when i run

because like it like i'm like, bro, this is too much. You're going to get back problems. That's what I'm saying. I can already feel it in the middle of my back. Skinny girl pop, I guess. Skinny pop. Skinny girl pop. Am I

combining two different ones? Skinny girl margarita and skinny pop? Skinny girl pop. I'm surprised it's allowed to be called skinny pop. I just feel like the word skinny is... It tastes like air sometimes. I feel like they're promoting unhealthy eating habits. Yeah, that may be.

You know what? I don't want to start a thing for all the skinny pop people out there. Let's move on. What else we got going on? Okay. I got a DM. I feel like this might be tea. I feel like we might have an exclusive.

You know, they announced the Golden Bachelor, Gary from Indiana. Who's got dirt on Gary? You got dirt on Gary? I got dirt on Gary. Oh, no. I got dirt on Gary. Dirt on Gary.

So I got a message from someone whose dad worked with him. I haven't even approved of that. Okay, go ahead. So this was like- You got a message this girl i'm sorry i'm just shut the fuck up politely okay this girl who dm'd me this person who dm'd me her dad i believe knew someone who worked with him or like whatever so it's like the dads are all around the same age and the dm said so apparently his wife died in 2017 and he

was having an affair with another woman at work before she died, then lost his job with the company because he left an inappropriate voicemail for a woman at work and accidentally got sent to the whole company. My dad says he's a slime ball. Who's got that voicemail? We need the voicemail. We need the voicemail. We need the voicemail. But has this been verified? Are we just spreading a dirty... I like to trust the people who dm me oh my god jesus christ so it's an allegation

specific it's an allegation it's unproven but i wanted the people to know i have specific bullshit things said about me daily but i'm also like second that what was that voicemail like do you think he was moaning and groaning hey baby i just want you to know when i get off of this work yeah i don't know why i went by you i don't know why i went like you got inspired by the episode is it yeah you were that uh that boat driver at the theater i think she likes one of them more than the other one if she don't pick none of well i'm ready i say this man is not media trained it's like i like this guy he's funny gary's 71 how can he not have a little couple like skeletons in his closet yeah

but that was when she his wife was alive that's yeah especially if he's gonna play like the widower card hard well because he's been to play like the widower card hard. Well, because he's been, he's like, here's this photo of my wife and she would love me doing this process. And I'm like,

oh no, Gary. Now, hold on. All right. So the accusation is what again? That he was cheating on his wife before he left her. Did he leave her? Did they get divorced?

She died. She passed. Yes. Well, do we know what she, how she left this earth? Heartbreak. Just kidding.

She heard the voicemail and instantly passed away. Because maybe it was one of those things where she was unable to perform. What? Like love. And maybe she was like, I want you to go have your needs met. And maybe they had an open relationship. How do we know? But what about the voicemail and getting fired from your job?

Well, that has nothing to do with consent from his wife in terms of an open relationship. That just might be like, hey, Gary, I know your wife approves of you slinging it, but HR doesn't. The fact that a voicemail is getting disseminated to an entire company is pretty crazy. Also, correct. That's a great question. Is that even possible? It doesn't make any sense. How does a voicemail...

I'm going to see if I can send a... You can. You can on an iPhone, but this might have been before iPhone times. Oh, maybe you try to connect to her line? There's no way Gary would have been able to even accidentally Oh, maybe he tried to connect to her line. There's no way Gary would have been able to even accidentally send a voicemail to his entire phone book. Not his entire phone book, but what if he

called the restaurant and everybody heard it? Wait, the restaurant? Because he worked in restaurants. Oh. He's a restaurateur. That is a red flag. That is a restaurateur. People be fucking. Yeah, it's just part of your red flag. Just in general. People be fucking. Yeah.

It's just like part of your DNA to like live in that industry. People be fucking is wild. At restaurants? Yes. Yes. Yes. And Tony passed away from an illness is what the articles say. It doesn't say what illness.

Tony. I said, what was it last week? You cannot wait for people to start like, you know, coming out with receipts. And they did. And they, it took a week. Took a week took a week took a week man this world is evil sometimes i i i uh i'm gonna say there's a lot of suspect information here one being this voicemail that that sounds like an email or a text i can see a mass email. Yeah. True. How do you send a mass voicemail?

Well, do you want me to ask? Well, maybe it was like the phone lines. The fact that he's that she said my dad says he's a slime ball. Oh, OK.

So I believe part. Why? Because that's a dad thing to say. He's a slime ball because he was the co-worker. So maybe he's jealous of Gary and that great head

of hair. Yeah. Gary and that great head of hair yeah gary has a better head of hair than most 29 year olds yeah i mean people be jealous yeah that that could be it you know what team gary so far yeah wow i hope it i hope the rumors aren't true about the infidelity but this is an unverified rumor it's my job to report is the account in which he received said dm does it even look like a person? Yeah. Yeah. It's not like a cartoon.

She and I go way back. Did you respond to her? No. Okay. So someone I know up in San Francisco follows her, I think. So you kind of know this person? Yeah. They have a mutual.

Yeah. That helps. That makes me feel a little more comfortable. Yeah. Someone I know follows her. And her dad has worked with Gary? Yeah. They have a mutual. Yeah. That helps. That makes me feel a little more comfortable. Yeah. Someone I know follows her. And her dad has worked with Gary. Yeah.

Gotta tell you, Indiana ain't the best day. So it's a message from her friend whose dad worked for him. Worked for Gary. With him. Sorry, with.

With or for. That matters. With. Message from a friend whose dad worked with him. Do we work with or for you? You work for me. Okay.

Yeah. I presumed, but... I hope that on a daily basis, it feels like you work with me, but technically... Ultimately. You work for me. Certainly.

And, you know, there is, again, a power dynamic, and in this situation, there's always, like, is there an ax to grind? They weren't equals, and, you know, you complain up, right? You usually don't complain down. Right. You know? My boss fucking sucks, you know you complain up right you don't usually don't complain

down right now my boss fucking sucks you know whatever shit like that i trust her okay well gary i hope the rumors i'm gonna i want to i'm gonna choose to want to believe gary at this point it's the mass voicemail that doesn't quite add up for me. Bachelor Nation will find out. That's for sure. Yeah. But if we could maybe get some more details, because we don't like a rumor mill, so to speak. Can't imagine dealing with trolling at 71. Oh, no way. That would suck.

Yeah. But I feel like he could truly unplug in a way that maybe people who are of a younger generation couldn't. Right. He made it Instagram. He made it Instagram. He made it Instagram. His daughters made it Instagram, I bet.

Do you really think Gary's on Reddit like you? I'm not on Reddit, man. I never check. You never check. I do feel like Reddit is becoming the new Facebook. Huh? What? I feel like I have a lot of friends who like use reddit for like fun social media browsing

maybe the new twitter the new twitter is what i mean instead what i just feel like since twitter has been a controversial like x.com is that what it's called now yeah he literally switched it yesterday it's x.com now i just think it's hilarious how people like care so much about the app like i think the app? like I think I can imagine if you guys look right now it's changed it's not a tweet it's an ex

it's silly who cares I just don't know why people care anyways Reddit there's some good stuff on Reddit

there's like the today I learned like am I the asshole stuff like there's some good stuff on Reddit I understand that there's like a very toxic social media platform

there's good and bad stuff unfortunately it's a place where people go and spew toxicity. It's where they go to feel better about themselves. Right. And talk shit about others. There's some beautiful communities on Reddit, though.

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Did you not come on the show knowing it was The Bachelorette? Make it make sense. So she's, I assume, sub-tweeting Brayden here when he was going home. I think Charity is the most entertaining Bachelorette since Hannah Brown. I agree with that. I will say, yeah. Here's why.

Because I think Charity has been gracious and giving enough to show us Charity the dater and not Charity the therapist. Yeah. I think when Charity was casted as the bachelorette for anyone who was like, oh, she seems like a wonderful, well-rounded person, but will this be captivating television? I think the concern was, here's this family therapist, and they're just going to be grounded and thoughtful, and they're going to work through all their issues very rationally and very maturely.

And Charity has been very vulnerable in kind of showing us Charity, the dater. And this is a dating show. And you're seeing her, the most authentic reactions, even in this episode when Xavier's like, I don't know if I can get there. Her eyes, just like her eye roll of annoyance to Xavier was just, she's just very generous with her expressions. You kind of know always what Charity is thinking with her body language, her reactions, her verbal cues and things like that. And so she's leading from the heart, so to speak, which makes excellent television.

I am surprised though, by this tweet in the sense that like, you know, from the heart, so to speak, which makes excellent television. I am surprised, though, by this tweet in the sense that being the lead is so hard in so many different ways, right? And one of the ways that isn't often talked about is the pressure that the lead feels to be liked by the people vying for your heart. I think both The Bachelor and Bachelorettes feel that pressure. I think that pressure is probably even more intense for the bachelorettes. One thing that the audience judges all the leads for is the presumed decisions of like who they keep around and who they send home. Many of which again is like their decision, like the three or

four people they actually like in the developing relationships. But then there's a bunch of other people that they're just like waiting to send home and then they get judged for it right so i get the defensiveness you know around that because it sucks it's just like why did you keep so and so it's like i didn't well i didn't i didn't like i just give it a week you know it gives a shit you know give it a give it a week but to me tweet isn't Charity the therapist. This is Charity the dater. Because she's literally saying, make it make sense. Okay, let's try. Brayden showed up for an experience that he was told what it was. I'm assuming maybe he did some homework. Maybe he didn't and learned what the bachelorette is. And then he showed up into a completely staged and

controlled environment that was unlike anything else he's ever experienced in his life. He showed up. Now, imagine the show. Imagine The Bachelorette or The Bachelor. Instead of being what it is, imagine if every contestant got to bring their therapist. They showed up and they're like, this is my therapist. But instead, in this bizarro universe, that charity wasn't the best, right? Let's say it was Gabby. And let's say that Brayden's therapist was charity. He's like, this is my therapist's charity.

And so instead of charity the date are showing up, charity the therapist showed up. Do you think charity the therapist, when Brayden would be like, hey, listen, like, I really like this girl. I'm a little uncomfortable about like, I just not what I expect. I'm having little uncomfortable about, this is not what I expect. I'm having a hard time dating this person who's also dating other people. I'm having a hard time with it, but I do like her. I want to continue to get to know her. I want to take things slow. But if I'm being honest, I know there's a lot of guys around me who are already talking about getting down on one knee, but I just want to be honest with her about where I'm at.

And where I'm at is, I'm not sure if I can get down on one knee, but I just want to be honest with her about where I'm at. And where I'm at is I'm not sure if I can get down on one knee yet. It's only in week three. And when he's asked about what you want out of this relationship, he's like, I just want contentment. Do you think Charity the Therapist would criticize him for those words and choices? Or do you think she would be like, you know what you signed up for? I feel like Charity the Therapist would commend brayden for that kind of thoughtfulness and kind of slow to react and like being in touch with his feelings and a willingness to be honest in the face of pressure from a bunch of peers who are kind of shaming him into essentially you know love bombing themselves so that they can love bomb the lead into thinking

their feelings are further along than they actually are. Yeah, because she would have a level of detachment. It's not like we watch her throughout the season. Even I feel like with Xavier this past episode, like these little things that are pressing on her insecurities and the things she's gone through in the past. And so she views it as a very like personal attack that someone can't envision a life with her or they're not sure, as opposed to her working as a therapist where she'd be able to just see things from like a much more analytical, bigger perspective. often, especially in the past couple of years, that when I went on The Bachelor, I felt like I relapsed. In my 20s, I was a serial monogamous. I had my heart broken a bunch of times. I've been cheated on. I had a lot of painful relationship stories that charity also has, right? And to get

myself through those experiences, I read a lot. I did a lot of self-help. I did a lot of reflection. I felt like I really matured and found myself. And while I didn't go to school to become a therapist like Charity, I felt like I really had a better understanding of my own choices and just healthier choices when it comes to relationships and dating. And then I got on The Bachelor and that show very much mimics what it's like to fall in love as a young person. They promote reactive decision-making. They promote just like, if it feels good, go for it.

You know, just like live in the moment. Don't overthink it. And when I got in that world, I was just like, I don't know what to expect, but like, I'm just going to like immerse myself in this world. And so I felt like instead of being the 33-year-old who had really lived and learned and had these ups and downs, I felt like I overnight in that world turned into 20-year-old Nick, who is reactive, who really gave into my ego, who is just led with my insecurities and things like that. And it's just, I don't know if that's what... I'm curious, fast forward a year or two from now, what perspective Charity will have on her time as the bachelorette. And if she feels like her decision-making was more in line with who she was as a younger person or who she is now, having been someone who's been educated in therapy and things like that. Because to me, a lot of her tweets and a lot of her choices are

charity to the dater, not charity, the therapist, which again, I think makes for an incredibly entertaining season. I do think if you're a man on the show who's 25 or younger, you're guilty until proven innocent instead of innocent until proven guilty with like right reasons motives. Just because I think there's like with kind of like societal general norms and that's not to say like i'm sure there's some men who get married at 23 and are so ready and committed but in general i feel like there's just something like you know like we saw it with like johnny on paradise and in gabby season and like i think that's part of the thing with him with brayden now is that he's like he's so young so that it's like he's 24 he's 24 and that's the thing like you two things can be true at the same time right

the earrings obnoxious he definitely comes across as a fuck boy but at the same time in his final episode to me he was the only one making sense yeah i agree and say what you want about like you if you showed up like why because to me it's charity the fan you know a lot of these people who become go on the show not all i don't know i don't know how much charity has watched the bachelor i suspect maybe a bit that she was a fan before who knows i could I could be wrong. Because again, I don't think Charity the Therapist would be subtweeting Brayden months after she left the show. Also keep in mind, I'm guessing Charity's in a relationship right now. Imagine if Charity is currently engaged and still a little bit rattled that Brayden sent himself home, that she felt the need to kind of subtweet him and critique his behavior on the show, which essentially was letting Charity know that he's not sure if this process is for him

and that after going on a couple dates with Charity, he still wasn't sure if he can get down on one knee. I mean, unless I'm missing something, remind me of what ultimately, on one knee. I mean, unless I'm missing something, remind me of what ultimately what was wrong with that Brayden did. Other than being a little kind of goofy and coming across as maybe not taking it seriously. What's his biggest crime? Well, I think Charity's reaction. I don't think he committed a crime, to be clear. But I think maybe Charity's reaction is contextualized by the fact that he was talking to the men a lot about it before talking to her. And so think maybe part of it was this like wait what like are you talking shit behind my back or like or like probably this like fear of like oh no what if when i'm not there these men aren't taking it seriously like they're not invested in this process spring break but again i can i can

understand why in filming you don't the leads kept in the blinds so much but now watching it back i got to see what i saw was brayden constantly being asked by these guys and interrogated by these guys and then him just being like almost too honest being like i don't know like she seems great but like you know i've only i've only talked to her for 20 minutes so i guess we'll see and they're like you're not upset you're no you don't love her like that's your you know like these guys most of these guys get out of limo and if they said do you think charity is the one they would say yes which is obviously just a bold-faced lie and in any other aspect of world we live in a society now that if

someone says i love you too fast we all appoint the figure and accuse them of love bombing and then we'll accuse them of things you know know, we'll, you know, say some strong accusations about their behavior. But in Bachelor World, if you don't do that, somehow you're the bad guy. I just think, and don't get me wrong here, you know, as a contestant, you know, the strategies and strategic things about it. I think it's a strategy. I think he knows exactly what he's doing. He's intelligent. He's smart. He knows that this route, he can't look bad he knows exactly what he's doing he's a he's intelligent he's smart he knows that this route he can't look bad on either way because he's always been up front

he's always been honest you know but at the same time he's telling charity i probably won't be ready for this so like you should probably send me home but if you send me home i get broken up with and i look good so that might be true we can only guess we don't know for sure that's what that's like, that's just the guess I have. I'm like, all right, well,

I know what you're trying to do. Like I've seen people try to do it before. Like, it's not like anything crazy. Did end up sending himself home though. Yeah. And I think, I don't think,

and then he came back because I don't think he liked the way he was leaving. And you don't think he's like, pack it back on. You don't think it was possible that a producer came to his hotel room and said hey man like of course okay you think he was wrong for taking up like that opportunity to like maybe leave on a better note no i don't i don't think anything's wrong i think it was performative in a way like it's not like maybe it was super like well i just know I'm not, not really. I'm just, well, just, you're just not that into her yet.

Let's just, let's put it, let's talk about how it is. As opposed to what? I just never thought he was really that into her. So you think he should have said, I'm just not that into you? Well, that was really what he was. That's what I thought he felt. Sure. Instead, he tried to give it the long, like, well, it's not realistic, you know, and this is how I feel.

Like, that's just stuff. I just like it's reverse psychology. You want to make it seem like, you know. I hear you. And it definitely came across as he comes across as a fuck boy who knows how to talk to women. But we don't necessarily know for sure. And is it any less strategic than any of the guys claiming that they are ready to get down on one knee?

No, absolutely not. Yeah. It's the same. It's the same thing. It's just different. You know, there's different ways people go about it. And that's why I'm like, I mean, I don't have a problem. Like he did what he did.

Like that's the way he wanted to do it. And there's nothing wrong with it, but like, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna crown him for anything. Like I'm not crowning him. I'm just more surprised that Charity the therapist, two or three months after leaving the show, presumably engaged with someone else, would still be... I'm surprised it wouldn't be more like, you know what? I wish Brayden well.

more like, you know what? I wish Brayden well. He ended up being not my person, but I honestly appreciate him being upfront about his feelings. I applaud a self-aware person and not everyone's going to like me. I'm not going to like everyone else. And we are just two people who, rather than be like, you know what you signed up for, make it make sense. Well, and it's also like we're in this era of The Bachelor where it's social media and tied. So I feel like it's like almost like promoting the show in a way where she's like trying to gather the fans to kind of talk about it in a way. So like, that's kind of how I see it. I think she's just like trying to be like, am I right, guys? Like, look at this, like, look what i got put through but blah blah blah but i don't think it was like actually her like feeling some type of way like

deep about brayden i think i think she's completely over it like i just think she just wants something to talk about with while she's live tweeting and also it kind of reminds me of when gabby and i think she was breaking up with jason and like she had this line that like really stuck out to me where she was like can't you just play along for a fucking second where like to me like Gabby was so emotionally mature and just like a very like I was so impressed with her the whole time and that really made sense to me of being like yes as like clear-headed adults we can say that this process like doesn't have a super high success rate that it is a little bonkers but there's also a level of vulnerability of just like diving in and like trying your best and playing along and i think maybe charity is just like i wish you'd

like tried a little more tried yeah and that's all it is and i think that's what um i think you get the most out of it from the guys and you actually feel something like i think for myself i was just like well let's just fully like buy into the system and see how it goes and then you start to notice some things like, Oh wow, this person's actually this and this and that. Um, like I had no, I didn't know Katie was like,

I didn't, I wasn't like, you know what I mean? So I just bought in and next, you know, you start to form a connection. Like, and then if it really wasn't it,

you send yourself home. Like, I'm not really feeling it. That's the way Braden should have went instead of like, I don't think I'm going to get on a knee here. I'm like, well, you're on the bachelorette.

Like either you, you try it. And if you can't do it, you take yourself out. But I guess I'm a little confused as to what you're saying he should have done versus what he did. Because I think what he did was he tried to create like an exit strategy in a way, like a scapegoat. It just felt like he was playing so many games on the back end to make sure he comes out all right it's very strategic and that's why i was just like i don't know if you're actually just going through the process he's like making different ways like different ripples i just was like that's just not i don't know that's just not how i feel it should have been going down i feel like there was people in your season that you watched do that and try to figure that that out yeah they're like they literally tried navigating like the fact of

like well come on like how can you guys be falling like this is i'm like that's fine like that's how you're feeling you know what i mean and i feel like he tried to like at least like these guys are doing this like it's not realistic and i've seen that argument happen so many times on like from the fans just watching and being like he's he's being right like how can you fall in love it's only been two months one month well just let them fall in like let them do it like no one's saying you have to and like the fact the way he was going about it was trying to make it seem like i'm being honest with you but yeah like yeah you're being honest with me then he's also being asked but so wait you think

you have to go like if you show up and keep in mind this was all going on in the first couple weeks right and you think if someone doesn't step out of limo and proclaim their love and loyalty and commitment to if charity or whoever the lead is picks me, I will get engaged. Do you think they're doing it wrong? Well, no, I just don't think you know yet. I mean, find out when you get there. But he had a couple of dates and was like, I like her. Yeah.

But then he just started throwing out stuff that she didn't ask you. You can get on a knee. It was more so. He was being asked. You know how it works. You know how it works in that world. You're either being asked by your peers or you're being either asked by producers no one's ever just like walking into a room being like you know what i think right you're right no

they're always being asked and then it's edited into like making it seem like you can't shut the fuck up well it just felt like he really let leaned into being the center of attention? I mean, sure, the earring for sure. Yeah, I just I don't know. It just rubbed me the wrong way that he's right, but at the same time... He rubbed me the wrong way too. He knows he's right and he's

trying to use it to excuse his behavior. And I'm like, dude, just buy into it. Okay, but when you say behavior other than the earrings and I guess the because what he was is a little obnoxious for some people and

he wasn't being earnest. He wasn't showing, and maybe that's his personality to be like, okay, can't we fall in love and have fun at the same time? Do we have to show up and be so fucking heavy? It's like he wasn't being earnest, but he was performative yeah he's like eating the mushrooms on the group yeah for sure yeah it was a bit obnoxious at times for sure but like when you say his behavior as if he was doing something wrong i'm just objectively i'm agreeing with you with my

annoyance but if when we start critiquing someone and start saying and suggesting that they were wrong or bad i'm sure brayden has gotten a bunch of like trolling accounts and a lot of negative criticism and a lot you know is unfortunately it happens in this world i just like i didn't say he was wrong i just was like i i peep your game i see what you tried to do yeah it's like not critiquing like behavior, just vibes. Yeah. I just like, I can see what you're doing. Yeah.

I mean, he comes across as a fuck boy who, but like, I couldn't imagine you can't, you can't show up and be like, listen, I'm just not into you. Yeah. They would, he would be called an asshole. Right. Like, listen, I just, I'm not feeling it at all. No, but I mean like, give it a try. But like, then he, then you'd go on like i can't

believe she picked that guy for a one-on-one and i'm like you just what like really like which is it which is it man like you're up you're overly obsessed in a way but then at the same time like it's just so weird to me it was just like it's just not really making sense no all right well before we get in the episode what other uh tea do we have pop culture wise? Or do we have bachelor stuff? We have some more bachelor. I am a bit confused of if Matt James's mom is going on the golden bachelor. I don't know. Because.

But Rachel and Matt have been asked. They don't even know. Rachel says, we truly, truly, truly don't know. We don't know if she's on it or not. Well, that's a lie. Right? So does that mean yes? How do you not know?

That's a bizarre thing to say. That's a crazy thing to say. That you don't know if your mom is on. Where else would she be? Yeah. She went missing for a few months. We're not sure exactly where. That makes me seem like she might be,

or again, not answering questions just for the fun of it. Yeah. Trolling the internet. She's trolling the internet. Trolling the internet. She's trolling the internet. Trolling the internet. All right.

Well, Joe and Serena are having Wells officiate their wedding. I thought that was very cute. And Dotton did an interview about going on The Bachelorette. He said, I got on the show only two weeks before filming started. It was a really short timeline, one of the shortest I've been told. It was just happenstance that someone dropped out and I jumped in at that two-week point. i was going back and forth on the process during those two weeks and i was unsure if i was going to go through with it it was so last minute that i

didn't have time to think about it a lot so he was like a an understudy no i think it was an alternate i mean they it happens i mean i think on caitlin's season i remember ben zorn i don't know if you guys remember him, fan favorite at the time. It was a very much last minute cast. So they're casting all the way up until night one. They are open to being surprised and it doesn't always happen. But I think given how significant of a role and arguably the favorite of charities and presumed pick by many people. I don't, I still think definitely Xavier,

but yeah, compelling story. What else we got? Are there, is there non-bachelor news going on in the world? Some pop culture news. Yeah. Need a break from reality?

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we no longer Graham. Well, yeah, we talked about the fact that Graham was given back to James after being turned into a shelter. So people had questions about that, where the dog had been while Rachel Raquel was in her treatment facility or in her mental health facility. And so apparently Graham was with Laura, Rachel's mom. And Laura said she claimed she visited two doctors who both suggested that the dog should be put to sleep because it, quote unquote, bit her to the bone. Who said this?

Raquel's mom said that Graham bit her to the bone. And that's why it had to be rehomed. I call bullshit. Well, Ariana did say on an interview that she did. She said as an aside, she was like, and Raquel's dog is horribly trained. What kind of dog? When did she say this? Like a golden dog?

Is on Call Her Daddy? To the bone is nuts. First of all, to the bone? What bone? Laura shared a photo of her injury with the outlet

in which she had a bloody gash on the side of her pointer finger. Oh. Okay. Well. Small bone.

You can bite your small bone. You don't do anything to the bone. She has a golden doodle and like, they don't really have a strong bite

in my experience. No, that's what I was like. And so to get to the bone, even on your like they don't really have a strong bite in my experience. That's what I was like. And so to get to the bone, even on your finger, they would really have to be hanging on as you're wiggling your. I don't know. But I do think like, why would the mom lie about this? You know, like I feel like that would be. I always find it humorous when people say things like, why would X lie about anything else? People lie all the. first of all i can give

you a bunch of reasons why she doesn't want to be shamed for giving her dog away there's your motivation but people lie for no reason though to put a dog in a in a home like that people well she said she visited two doctors who suggested that the dog should be put to sleep laura then said that are these vicious people absolutely declined the option and instead sought a rehabilitation center where Graham could learn better behavior from an established trainer at the California Doodle Rescue. It's not a puppy.

I mean, it might be a young lad. Like a rebellious teenager at this point. So then the California Doodle Rescue tried to get him rehomed. Then Graham allegedly bit his new owner and the dog was returned to the rescue. And that's when Lisa Vanderpump and her Vanderpump Dogs Rescue Organization were then enlisted to help find another home. I wonder if James's temperament will be good for a new dog.

Oh, so this dog is off the rails. So she wasn't lying. No. Well, I mean, there's some receipts. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I don't doubt that, you know, I mean, there's some receipts. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I don't doubt that, you know,

he might be poorly. He's unhinged. It would not be shocking to find out that Raquel might not have, Rachel, rather, excuse me, that Rachel might not have been

the most attentive dog mom. Yeah, it's hard when you're sneaking around having an affair to take care of a dog too. I will say, I did, I've seen her walk.

She was, she was walking him. They seemed like they were doing well. Okay. I mean, I don I've seen her walk she was she was walking them they seemed like they were doing well okay I mean I don't you know but anyway

so what's the dog's new name hippie hippie no longer Graham new personality I gotta say I don't know you're a hippie now

I don't know if I love obviously I don't know if the Graham to hippie is my favorite transition I wonder if the dog knows well I find that dogs have multiple names.

Like Jeff's name is Jeff, obviously, but he's also Mr. Man, furry guy, you know, buddy. Mr. Man. Hey, Mr. Mr. Furry chicken man, he's often referred to. Wait, you call your dog chicken man too? He does look a little like a fried chicken.

He does look like one of those fried chickens. You know, Jeff has multiple names, so he responds to many. Hippie though. Hippie. But James said, we've decided to rename this little beauty Hippie. This is a tribute to my late godfather, George Michael's dog's

name. Okay. George Michael. The only dog I saw around the house growing up. house is his godfather yeah although george and hippie are in heaven now i know they're watching over me a proud doggy papa yeah wow interesting i feel like a dog heaven a snippy golden doodle is it's easy to retrain yeah the question is like do people have the if i don't i don't know very much about dog training it seems like there's certain cases where it's like it's totally easy to do you just need to The question is, like, do people have the... I don't know very much about dog training. It seems like there's certain cases where it's like,

it's totally easy to do. You just need to have the expertise required to do it. The patience as well. That's the thing. It's a lack of patience that most people don't have. I bet James has the biggest smile on his face. Like, I bet he is so pleased with the way this all unfolded. It's a win for him, for sure.

Huge W. Big W. Big, big W. While simultaneously giving your ex another L. What else we got? Kevin Costner. We've been following Kevin Costner's divorce. Kevin Costner's wife is on vacation in Hawaii

with his friend in the middle of their divorce. And when you say friend... Kevin Costner's estranged wife, Christine Baumgartner, turned to a family friend for comfort on a Hawaiian vacation while temporarily escaping the drama of their divorce. The 49-year-old was spotted in new photos taking in a scenic seaside stroll on the beach with Costner's friend, Josh Connor, walking by her side. He is a well-heeled financier who lives near the Yellowstone Stars mansion in California. And he's also gone through a divorce recently. So maybe a little.

So do we think it's some shadiness or do we think Kevin's like, hey, man, you know, he's calling in a favor to try to find a mediation of sorts where it's just like, here's a mutual, a mutual friend. And he's just like, I mean, I knowvin's kind of like you know cav cav being cav little difficult little alice personality i know he sucks but let's all try to be happy do you think it's more that or do you think you'd have to go to hawaii for that conversation to happen i think their neighbors he could just stop by so they're vacationing together yeah so we think shadiness i also think it would make sense if i feel like and this could totally be the way that it's being painted like in the media but it seems like there's been a lot of contention about like finances and she's been worried about her security and her ability to like maintain her lifestyle

and that for her kids so to me the fact that like this man just happens to be like a very affluent banker it would make sense to me that like that could be really appealing quality at this time that's a romantic getaway yeah yeah i don't know that's not kevin's friend anymore no no no no no no the drama continues with these two yeah i've got to say this makes her a little more guilty in my eyes these people know how being a celebrity works and they know when they're being photographed by paparazzi, if they're doing things where they don't want to be seen, they know how to not be seen. And if they're doing things, they get caught in public. And listen, I get living your life, just because not every time you get shot by a paparazzi in LA, hurrying around certain places,

a lot of coffee shops, some coffee shots to which I like. Sometimes they just show up there. But I will say, if I were hanging out with someone and I was like, I don't, like when Nellie and I first started dating, right? And we were like, let's just focus on us. Let's not make this a public thing. I definitely avoided certain places where I know like certain people might be. Or if you are hanging out and if you're going through a divorce and you're hanging out with your ex-husband's best friend and you want to make sure we don't start any rumors, you don't take long shirtless walks on the beach while you are in the midst of a high profile public divorce with one of the more

legendary famous actors of our of their generation you you do it on purpose and don't we think that given that that that makes her a little messy i agree yeah yeah i also it seems like so much of the issue is like you know his career always coming first and her maybe feeling like family did not. And like that he never paid attention to her. But I could totally see her being like, pay attention to me now, bitch. I guess. I guess. But is her family with her?

Doubt it. She left the kids. Maybe she's using that. Or she's using that $250,000 monthly stipend to like hire a nanny. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For the children. For the kids. Yeah. For the children.

For the kids. Yeah. I don't know. I wonder if part of this is like that she would have been like really fucking lonely. And I know a lot of people are lonely. So that's not to say it's like she's uniquely lonely. But like it seems like it could be an incredibly isolating situation, like trying to raise your kids, manage a three ring circus of like, I'm sure she's very blessed to have staff

in her house. But also like that means there's a lot going on. And so I feel like maybe when you're lonely and you have the opportunity to not be, you kind of are a little less discerning about what's okay. Because you're just like, you know what? It's been so long. I felt so isolated. God damn it.

I deserve human connection. Even if it's with my separated partner's ex-friend. But for $250,000 a month, you can pay for privacy. I would agree. Yeah. It's,000 a month, you can pay for privacy. I would agree. Yeah. It's definitely like, oh, you notice that? Yeah.

Anyways. Speaking of another scandal, not really scandal, but something we've been covering of Miranda Lambert calling out the fans for taking a selfie, then the fans' response

to how they were feeling chastised. Has she yet to apologize? Well, so someone just took a T-shirt or wore a T-shirt to one of her shows and the T-shirt says, shoot tequila, not selfies. Uh-huh.

Yeah. And? So the 39-year-old proceeded to grab a small bottle from the audience and took a swig before passing it to her guitarist. So I guess she's supporting the shooting of the tequila. Is she standing by her criticism of these people? I haven't seen her apologize. I think Doja Cat's got that shooting of the tequila. Is she standing by her criticism of these people? I haven't seen her like apologize.

I think Doja Cat's got that same thing going on too. What happened? She just went off on her fans for they're calling themselves kittens. She was like, if you're any grown person talking about you're a kitten, you need to get off this app and get a job. And she doubled down. She went on to say like um we just want you to say you love your fan she's like i don't love y'all i don't know

y'all and it was like no she's going nuts on threads you know threads i love you guys yeah that's what i'm saying like she couldn't do it i love you guys as fans well again i mean she's it's one of those like you're're not wrong. Yeah. Per se. But like. It's just a weird angle. Yeah. But like, yeah, just I love you guys. Yeah.

So that's what that just happened yesterday. Oh, wow. Damn. Damn, damn, damn. Kittens. Are you guys following at all the like, I don't know if you watch John and Kate Plus 8, but I was like one of my favorite shows growing up. I met John once at like some sort of panel a few years back. Okay.

So Colin, who's one of the sextuplets, has started speaking out. How old are they now? The sextuplets are, they just graduated high school. They're 18. And so he and John were on, I think Hannah was on as well, this series called like the Dark Side of the 2000s. And they kind of like lifted the curtain on like what was actually going on behind closed doors. People started noticing some like potential,

like a schism because when Colin graduated high school, his caption for his like Instagram post was thanking his dad and thanking Hannah, who's one of his sisters. And I believe John's girlfriend, but like very clearly left out the other siblings left out Kate. And so I think that's when all this kind of started coming out. And then now in this series, they're kind of talking about the fact that Colin apparently

he was saying like he had some allegations of abuse from his mom, Kate. Kate has doubled down and said that, you know, Colin had all these issues and the safety of their children was at risk. So Kate actually put him in an institution as like a minor um he said he spent his 13th and 14th birthdays there john didn't know so john went to their school one day to have kit to have lunch with the kids and colin just wasn't there how was she able to put her kid into an institution without i think they had she had primary custody of them after their

divorce. And he had like just no say in the matter? This is from John's retelling. He went to the school. He's like, where's your brother? And then he went to a guidance counselor and she was saying, oh no, Colin's not enrolled here anymore. And then he got a crayon letter from Colin from this institution. He's 13?

Yeah, like, come get me out. So he's trying to like locate him get him out and then he like he went to go see colin and they were like oh well he hasn't seen a parent in like a year and a half two years like kate never visited him like he was like locked up this is true so then when hannah heard all of this she freaked out and she was like dad i'm not going home i don't want to live with mom when she went and put colin in this so then he's like you have to go home because it's going to violate our custody agreement and i'm going to get in trouble so john spent like a million dollars trying to get colin out for like legal fees yes and get colin he got full custody

of colin and it's just like colin doing now Well, so Colin is now doing this kind of like series was talking about the abuse allegations. But Kate is doubling down because now it's coming out of all this stuff that happened. And Kate insisted that, quote, all measures were taken in our home were all at the explicit recommendation of his pediatric psychiatrist and or his team of specialists and were put into place to safeguard every member of our family, our friends, as well as our family pets. Colin remains a very troubled young man who continues to need a lot of help. His brothers and sisters and I have not been directly involved in his life due to his history of unpredictable behavior and violent tendencies toward us.

However, John says when he went to go to the facility to get Colin out, he asked the doctor, what is my son's diagnosis? And the doctor said, we're still trying to figure that out. Well, that might be an honest answer. Yeah. I feel like they wouldn't lie about that. And now Maddie is posting. So Maddie's the older sister.

She says, like, not part of the eight. Yeah. So Maddie and Kara are twins. OK. And then there's the sex tablets. OK. But Maddie said, I do not owe my allegiance to any persons who has physically threatened me and every member of my immediate family.

Some instance as recent as last year. Further, I will never allow someone who has exhibited hateful and even violent behaviors toward others based in their racial identity, gender identity or religious beliefs to be in my life. Is she referring to Colin? Yes, I believe so. So sounds like Colin is. Kate has. Yeah. So it's just like camps divided now.

So it's like John, Colin, Hannah, and then Kate and the other kids. My biggest takeaway is how sad it is that Kate and John seem to have such a toxic relationship that their kids are used and weaponized to win the court of public opinion. Right. That's my big takeaway.

Because it sounds like this colin boy is probably trouble things yeah but at the same time to lock your kid up and not throw away the key not even go see him is crazy yeah even if you know especially because if he has trouble to that's that's fucked and then yeah i mean i would imagine i understand why the other children would want to keep their distance but mom and throwing away the key and not even telling John where he's going the dark side of TLC the dark side of the 2000

it's gotta be so fucked up to be one of those kids and like if they hopefully they don't but like to watch back the show you know and like have all that captured and to like have like be like so intensely triggered for all the shit that was going on behind the scenes like it's just really hard to have all that i will say when i met john and was at some panel it was like me rachel lindsey caitlin jenner john it was a wild it was a very interesting panel i don't even know why i don't

i think i was talking reality tv in general but like offline he john's just came across as like this broken defeated man who just didn't really understand why his ex-wife did what she did and how she went about things and not in like a shit talky it was just it was just i didn't even know it just seemed defeated yeah it was sad well and it's interesting now just to like look back at clips and like the way she would speak to him and like their whole relationship dynamic because I'm sure he he had his problems too but it was definitely she was hostile if you're like that on camera off camera I'd say multiply it by a factor of 10 unless it's a housewives because I do think they played up for the camera. Yeah.

Yeah. Then like multiply it by 0.5. Then I would divide it by four. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, dark and twisty. Tom Brady's, he's dating around.

Oh my God. Good for him. Kim K, huh? Why is everyone getting photographed? Oh, has he moved on? He's easy. Blurring with Irina Shayk after an overnight stay at Los Angeles home. Tommy's having sleepovers.

Yep. Nine months after his divorce from Giselle, Brady was photographed picking up Shake at Hotel Bel Air on Friday afternoon before the pair returned to the house for the night. At one traffic stop, Brady was snapped caressing her face as the two talked in the front seat of a black Rolls Royce. Didn't Giselle go on a date too as well? Who's she dating? Well, originally she was seen with her like jujitsu trainer, right?

Yeah, that's what it was. Alright, it's bachelorette time. What an episode. Not a lot. They really milked this one. I'm surprised they couldn't get more drama. Charity's being robbed. What a truncated season.

So truncated. It's so fast, too. How are we already at hometowns? I don't know. Well, there's less people. That's not why, though. How many people did she have? 25?

I think she had like 25. That used to be 30, right? It used to be 25. They hit 30, I think, for Ben or someone's season before mine. I don't know if my season was 30. And then my season had 30. I think for Ben or someone's season before mine. I know my season was 30.

And then my season had 30. And I think every season after mine for a period of time had like 30 became the new standard. Right. We started a trend. No, it didn't start with me. But I think they kind of bounced around when they first had 30. They sold it as we have five. We have more than expected. And then with me, I think they kind of played the whole,

like they played it up. They're like, now I have 30. But then after that, it was just was 30. Having 25 men, I guess what I'm saying is not why. Okay. It's going faster. Yeah. They're like, oh, we only have 25 men now.

So we have to give everyone like half the amount of time and we have to cut three episodes. With Rachel and Gabby's, they had early hometowns as well. Yeah. Maybe this is the new norm. I don't know. I feel like this is

probably the new thing. I don't know. And also like, they didn't do any international travel this season. All domestic travel. All domestic. Yeah.

Well, they're in New Orleans. NOLA. You know, they, down in Bayou. There it is. Which was kind of,

you know, weird for me because we did, we also did New Orleans. I know. I was thinking about you which was kind of you know weird for me because we did we also did new or new orleans but i know i was thinking about you and rachel lindsey's date yeah erin was pissed oh my god they're sipping on those little orange juice whatever the fuck they were drinking he's always mad i can't i've never seen someone whine their way i want to show her the city that made me a man i mean credit to erin i've never seen someone whine their way to hometowns. That's all he did was whine and complain.

He's a whinger. And that's another type of strategy people use. Him. Yeah, the righteous indignation. The righteous hero. I call him the hero because of what he did last week with Brayden and all that. And the tattletaling. I hate that. Like that's my least favorite person

that's on The Bachelor is when it's, oh, I'm here to protect her heart from everyone else. Like, why are you thinking about everyone else and not just thinking about your relationship? And that's what always like throws me. But yeah, he's probably my least favorite. Would it surprise you? And I actually learned this from you,

but would it surprise you to find out that Aaron is good friends with Aaron? Aaron for my season. Aaron, Mr. Like the king of complainers. Aaron and James. Yes. Okay.

Aaron of the jungle path. Yes. Like always sticking his nose in everyone else's business, constantly complaining, you know, so maybe... I thought about Aaron yesterday while I was making eggs. That's too bad. And I thought to myself... Which Aaron? That is nuts.

Because I remember he was like, I'll have a six-egg omelet. And I was making eggs. I was like, imagine six. Six egg omelets. Also confused. I was confused because you mentioned he was from New Orleans, but then now he's going to Houston for his hometown.

I think he lives in New Orleans currently. But his little thing says San Diego. He's from San Diego, though. He's from San Diego. Nola made him a man. Why are we going to Texas? Him and Aaron are good friends. They're like best friends.

No, his little thing says San Diego. I guess he's the reason Aaron B. got on the show. Breaking news. Boom. I think that he like- Signed him up with his buddy? Yeah. Like signed him up. Breaking news. Boom. I think that he like signed him up. Signed him up with his buddy? Yeah, like signed him up.

Anyways, he's pissed again. He's whining. He's mad. Joey gets a one-on-one. Every once in a while when Natalie asks for a kiss and I am preoccupied or doing something else,

I will just give her a little and Natalie refers to that as a phyllis kiss phyllis being my grandmother my my mom's name is phyllis really love that love that for us what's the laugh today and i couldn't help but i felt like joey was serving up a lot of phyllis kisses on this date a lot of a lot of pecs there was no, I guess this is all to say, do not in any way believe the chemistry between Joey and Charity. Yeah, I sensed that in the,

I don't want to touch you without your consent, but it was like a, yeah, it was like, I don't know, in the carriage. Yeah. Like, no. And she's kind of pushing forward a little bit more. Yeah, compared to like

dotan and even xavier xavier gets in there yeah oh yeah those are those are some lovey-dovey kisses right there those are those are meant but i feel like charity's fighting for it she's like let me prove to you that like this is it with joey with xavier yeah yeah she wants it to be xavier real bad. Yeah. Yeah. They have chemistry. Yeah. I'm not buying the chemistry between Joey and Charity, unfortunately. Yeah.

I think he's a smarty-bitty. I'm buying it. Well, I'm just getting distracted. I just think Joey's so dreamy, and I think he's really respectful and cute. All of it. I love their dinner conversation. Definitely. If he doesn't win, he's my bachelor choice. Yeah.

I love their dinner conversation and her asking asking about like an interracial relationship and how he feels about that. And I just love how he was like, he held space for her. He didn't rush her. Even I noticed when they got back on the carriage after the dinner, he's like, take your time. Like, he's just like, I really do love him. He's a gentleman. He seems like a sweet, sweet guy.

Are they going to Hawaii for hometowns? I hope so. Because that's a trip. We saw some tennis. Well, that could be anywhere. That's a big inconvenience. Can we talk about the difference like they're either going to Hawaii or New Jersey?

Because his family's from there? Yeah, that's where he grew up. They're definitely going there. It's a big inconvenience logistically to have to fly to Hawaii in the middle of hometowns that would be

a hike it would just fuck up production I'm curious if they end up going there or if they end up going to New Jersey and I will say just from I don't know how charity feels but like at that point in the season it's like it's not like

oh I want to go to Hawaii it's like it's not like oh i want to go to hawaii it's like you would rather just like drive 30 minutes to go to whoever's hometown then get on another plane you're you're traveling all it's just like you're trying to do the least amount of travel so i don't know if cherry will be all that disappointed if she finds out she doesn't have to go to hawaii yeah well it's also so much more about the families it feels like so it's like wherever the family is. She's not really going to like spend a lot of time. And then imagine, you know what's even worse?

Going to Hawaii for a day. Yeah. And like not getting to leave the hotel. Five hours there. Five hours there. Yeah. You know what's worse than going to Hawaii for a day? Going to Newark, New Jersey.

People are going to be furious about that. All right. Well, Joey has a 101 101 he gets his first hometown rose uh aaron's pissed again and then sean and tanner get the 201 what is sean upset about and also sean needs to stop narrating and doing math for us like we know how many times can the boy go so there's gonna be two of us and then one of us gets a rose and gets to introduce her to our family and the other one goes home. They do ask you that, though.

That's like a question. Yeah. I set the scene. Tell us what's going on. It's a two on one. This is happening. I wanted a one on one, but I didn't get it. So here I am.

That's kind of. Yeah. Or they just ask you the questions. Yeah. And like, can you just re-say it just for us to hear yeah and part of it is because like they're resetting it for every episode to kind of narrate what's going on but i just more like what tanner seems to have the appropriate response which is i barely know her she seems lovely sure i'm excited about our chemistry but like sean's acting like where's

this connection he's referring to? Yeah. He's literally panicking. He's like, well, I'm so sure and if you're not sure, then what are we doing here? I'm like, what? He said falling in love. Didn't he? No, wait. He said, I'm in the process of falling in love. Which is a new one. First of all, to be clear, falling in already

implies process of. So to be in the process of being in the process. He's in the process of falling in love the process of falling part but not the not even the love yeah no it's literally luke p on hannah season during the talent show he's like i just want to say that i think i might possibly be on the verge of almost in the process of falling in love potentially but we do get to hear sean talking about, you know,

how much he loves his family. Oh, daddy. And like, they probably paid for a lot of stuff. I bet you love them. A lot of cover up. Maybe.

Well, yeah, including cover ups. Also, is it fair to criticize a man who needs a haircut? Yes. Okay. I mean,

I have no idea. On The Bachelorette, for sure. But also, it is tough to get haircuts so i do i do feel for a lot of the guys like i didn't get a haircut until like week four and i was like yeah but that's not what she's saying he showed up at that mop oh really okay also my hair was a goddamn mess my shit was terrible uh like halfway through i was like i need a haircut someone Someone help us.

I just feel like he goes and he's like, make sure it's long enough to poke out under the lacrosse helmet. Who's the little girl? Allie. Who's the little girl? Please tell me. He looks like Prince Charming from Shrek. Yes! Brayden said that.

Yeah, he does. Yeah. Oh, he does. Yeah. Yeah. Oh. Oh, my God. I love this, though. Also, when he said, when he was talking about gators,

he's like, we have a lot of gators on the golf course in Florida. Oh, my God. Land, I'll take them all day. Water, I don't think so. It's like, okay,

take them on land. I would love to see you take a gator on land, John. Well, he is. There it is. That's pretty good. He is from Florida, and I do think a gator is easier to escape on land. John? Well, he is. There it is. That's pretty good. He is from Florida, and I do think a gator

is easier to escape on land. Don't you just have to run diagonally? They're fast. Diagonally? I believe so. Yeah, like a zigzag. Yeah, you zigzag because... Is that true?

They can only run straight. They're fast, though. They're fast if you're running in a straight line. But if you run diagonal, harder for those guys to... Can you, like, jump? Is this like a Mario Kart game

Google it I think they just pivot their body so then they're going straight but I just think they're not made to zigzag they're doing a three point turn they kind of waddle like this as well and if you run in a straight line you're fucked but if you zigzag

experts debunk the advice to zigzag run away in a straight line gators move really fast in line but only in short bursts and on distances before they tire out how i mean so don't zigzag okay they also say try to cause a gag reflex huh by jamming an object you can reach into the back of the alligator's throat. How would you be able to do that? I'm not trying to do that. Here's my hand. Yeah, to the bone. It's graham cracker. Been to the bone.

Been to the bone. Oh, my goodness. That's good. All right, Charity. And that's the laugh of the day. There we go. Charity doesn't give out a rose because she's... Sean panics.

She needs more time there. And this is not if you're mad at charity for her lack of giving out roses. That's not a charity decision here. There's there's milk in an episode. But don't gets another one. I went back to back. And I noticed with Dotton. They always do it.

Don't don't don't don't don't. I noticed with Dotton. They always do adventure activities because they did the bungee jumping and then they did running where it's endorphins and i was like they're really trying to they didn't run very much walking but still endorphins so after this episode i know i went hard to the paint by saying that i'm convinced that charity will pick xavier and this episode had xavier really kind of pumping the brakes, showing some doubt.

Dotton just continues on this smooth but yet quick speed of advancing the relationship. How do you guys see it? I feel like it's going to end up like Michelle's season where it's like I think Xavier is the new Nate and I think Dotton is Brandon. Yes. Wow. 100%. Nailed it. But I think Dotton is Brandon. Yes. Wow.

100%. Nailed it. But I think she picks Brandon this time and not Nate. Well, we'll see. We'll see. But I think

this episode is right in line with their kind of playbook edit. If you even go back to Andy season, which I was a part of,

I was getting two one-on-ones before anyone else was i was getting all the quality time i was getting special you know like i was the one who got to like comfort her when she was upset i and josh the one person she ended up with it was always her favorite behind the scenes i mean i didn't even know this at the time right but he got a one-on-one around the same time dot dotting it down to truncated season. And on the episode prior to Hometowns, which usually happens if you go back and look, the lead usually has the question mark about what is in reality their favorite. And so the fact that this was an episode in which Charity was, it seemed like there was a bit of a ripple in the relationship between Xavier and Charity is very much in line with Caitlin's season, that particular episode. Granted,

that was a little different. There was a lot of drama going on, but there was a rough patch for Sean and Caitlin, very same episode before Hometown. And I'm guessing if you go back, it's usually that episode before Hometown. And in the the finale usually it's a person they don't end up with where their last date seems like it's smooth and easy and breezy and fun and it's the person they end up picking where they're just like are you sure are we you know they try to poke holes and and and and that and again maybe there was parts of dotan's date where you know they had kind of a more hey that things are going great, but I just want to check in here and maybe

there was a moment where Dotton said something to Charity that she didn't love or vice versa, but we haven't seen any of that. We've seen nothing but smooth fucking sailing. And to me, that just reaffirms that she's absolutely going to pick Xavier and not Dotton because

it just looks like it's got to not Dotton because it just looks like it's got to be Dotton. Yeah. It's got to be too easy. But yet, Dotton, to your point, he is the one, and we talked about this last week, who's giving all the green flags, you know, and they are, Xavier literally said, I like charity and I want to fall in love with her. As if like, it was charity and I want to fall in love with her as if like,

it was such an honest thing to say. It was worse than that. He was like, if she, I know what you're saying. It was way worse than that. He said, every time I speak with true honesty

to a woman, it puts doubt in their head. Well, there's that too. But before that, I feel like that's a very incriminating line. What did he say? He said,

I don't know if she's the one that I'd fall in love with. It's like, I want to fall in love, but I don't know if she's the one that I'd fall in love with. It's like, I want to fall in love, but I don't know if she's the one. He wants to get engaged and he wants to get married, but he doesn't know. He literally was like, but I don't know if it's you. That's what he said. And then he goes

so honest. Her reaction was like, fuck, bro. But no, you were the one. What are you doing this to me? And when he goes, can I get there? Yes. If you're the one, I don't want to pass that up. I was like, don't make her sound like it's a Black Friday deal.

Like, but it is honest. Again, it is very honest. He was acting like Brayden. He was being honest. Yeah. But see, the difference between him and Brayden was he was going through the process of actually trying to like the girl. Yeah.

Like Brayden was, I feel like was not trying to like the girl. Yeah. Like, Brayden was, I feel like, was not trying to like the girl. I think he was. Fair. Okay, I'll give you that. But what is better? No, it's the same thing. But, like, you've seen... I don't want someone to try to like me. But, no, you've seen the intentions. I'm sorry, the intentions were different. Like, Xavier's intentions

was to try and fall in love with her. Brayden's never, ever looked like he was in love with her. I'll give you that. Also, Xavier didn't take up, like, and I know they need someone to take up time, but with him. Brayden's never ever looked like he was aligned with that. Also, Xavier didn't take up, like, and I know they need someone to take up time, but, like, Brayden's antics took up a lot of fucking time. For not, like, Xavier's at the end. Like, we're finally at the point where we should actually be talking about it.

Because we're almost at hometown. We're about to meet my family. Like, now we can address the elephant in the room. Like, yeah, I don't know if I can get on a knee right now. don't know if you're the person he's got like three weeks said that like week two like yeah it's like did you try did you even try to at least fall with this girl no i wanna i hope to fall in love with her they had like this weird like power imbalance the whole episode like xavier would say that and she'd be like oh shit like okay that's on you and then later in the episode she was like

I don't have to give out this rose but I will like you didn't need to say that she was taking back the power then she's trying to I don't know I don't know if she did Xavier would show a little facial expression she was like oh man I really I thought he really felt like he messed it up for a minute he was like I think I might

have screwed up here um but it was good why do you think it's a red flag for him to say that to me and you can totally like contextualize it where it's like not an issue where it's like maybe he's just like a really honest person who's willing to like tell the truth even when it makes people uncomfortable but I just think there's something you're saying every single time I speak with true honesty it puts doubt in their head which makes me believe that like the true honesty is like different than the way he's been speaking before, because now they have doubt when before they didn't. So it makes me feel like maybe there's something about the way he's kind a very charming guy on his first date with charity he's like kind of sitting on top of her this giant guy with yeah oozing with charisma a great smile good looking and just him i think being charismatic and flirtatious can send mixed signals yeah yeah

and then when he's speaking i guess from honesty as he says and says well yeah I mean I like you but some version of that and he's just like I'm just not there yet and he's obviously this pragmatic guy he's a literal scientist I assume that might cause him to be a little heady you know I feel like he has like three female friends who are in love with him and he has no idea

oh 100% he hasn't met he has all these people who he's like calls platonic friends that are women and he's just like yeah no we're totally like just friends

and they're all in love with him yeah do we think he made the sweater that he was wearing that episode with the pink flames that's a good question

he does it was a nice sweater it was a great look he's a fantastic dresser yeah absolutely he's definitely been the best and most fashionable on the show

oh easy yeah yeah it's been great not much competition there though no really isn't I will say I was very disappointed

with just the fashion statements from the guys this year it's tough just not good yeah it's also just a tough world to make to be bold

yeah with your fashion choices yeah but I wore like even more credit to Xavier for being able to to make those choices

and pull it off what's that you wore turtlenecks i was put in a turtleneck yeah you were put someone kicking and screaming as the bachelor yeah kicking and screaming though it was one of those like hey these are getting really popular i want you to and i was like all right well let's try to like start a trend and you're like okay ste and then okay Steve Jobs me it was thick too are you talking about the grey one it was really hot it was really hot

I think Jimmy Kimmel's wife came at me really hard for the turtleneck probably I thought it looked good it wasn't my choice but I was a willing participant in wearing the turtleneck and there was a few memes

created from it. Brutal. For sure. Fair enough. Do you remember that one shot, this episode of Joey in a bandana and glasses? I thought it looked good.

I thought it was so endearing and I was like, I want more shots of these men in their natural attire. I want more ambush shots of the men. Xavier admits to the idea of committing to one person for life scares him. Why don't we? That's fair, though.

It is fair. I'm like, so fair. Yeah, I think it's fine. I mean, going back to the whole Braden thing, like, you know, we we can say that's really fair. But it's also fair enough to go into this situation and be like, just drink the fucking Kool-Aid. Just do it, you know? Like, Love Island, it's four weeks in, no one's girlfriend,

boyfriend, I don't know if anyone's watching the new season, and I'm pissed. But in normal life, that's obviously fair and normal and should be. But I'm angry. No one said I love you. It's so fucked up. Damn. But in real I love you. It's so fucked up. Damn. But in real life.

Responsible. Totally. Yeah. I don't think she's going to pick Xavier. He hasn't gotten enough airtime. I think he had like two one-on-ones, didn't he? No. Just one.

This was like, they kind of made the rose ceremony into a Xavier one-on-one. Yeah. And I'd be willing to bet that in reality they were like hey why don't you kids hang out off camera i bet they i bet they got to spend a lot of time and they probably they bet that they probably filmed it and they probably were mic'd up but they probably had no intention of really ever using it and given the fact that this season is a bit truncated and shorter, again, they want the lead to fall in love. They want to make a TV show,

but they are there to help the process. So if they feel like the lead isn't getting enough quality time with their person, they'll give you some of that time off camera and let you sit there. And maybe they'll use it or maybe they won't. But I'd be willing to bet that Xavier and Charity got to sit and hang out,

get to know each other and have a little bit more time and allow Xavier to like maybe catch up with some of his feelings. I would, I would, I would be almost like that. Yeah. I think that's very confident in saying that. So after that conversation,

after she gives him the rose, yeah, they're like, things get more, you know, when you're down in the final four, things get more chill, a little more relaxed,

a little more free time. Literally, there's just more time. Yeah. And they were just kind of wrapping up. Like when you, when they wrap, when they get to hometowns,

it's like the difference between hometowns and everything else is almost like two different seasons. Yeah. From a filming standpoint. And so there's like almost like a wrap party, like a mini wrap, literally. There is like almost like a rap party like a mini rap literally there is after like when they get to hometowns i was i was still there uh and they had their little party yeah it was like oh no there's so much going on out there yeah well they were all you didn't let you weren't allowed in the party you could just hear it from outside

yeah well it's i was like stuck in my hotel room. I wasn't in there. You were pulling a Greg, looking out on the really emo. Yeah, just like listening. I'm like, okay. My room was dark. Like after I got, I was like, Dustin, don't talk about it. We won't touch you later. You're just like lying on the hotel bed.

It was pitch dark. I literally didn't move. I'm just like, I turned the shower on. I didn't even get in. I just like let it run. Let's get back to the quick laughs. This is too sad. But yeah,

those are the things that the show will do to like, you know, make people feel more comfortable or more at home and things like that. And then like, that could be their time to like make Xavier feel more comfortable, some behind the scenes. And part of it is just like, yeah,

let's just like make them feel more comfortable. And part of it probably is a little bit of manipulation and bringing them... They are trying to make sure all these people are at a place of love by the end. And so they're all trying to time it out and things like that. But I'm that much more convinced after this week that she's picking Xavier. I like that. You kind of just changed my whole perspective or perspective on it. I thought it was going to be gotten for sure,

but, but you even said when we were watching it, how much she wants to, she wants it to be Xavier. Like you could see that, but like, and charity has yet to really show us charity, the therapist,

she's been showing us charity, the data. And it's just hard to be in that bubble and have no support system have a bunch of people giving you bad advice and it's hard to not just go with what you deep down want but charity said before that like she i don't know she said this explicitly but it's clear that she works up these men in her mind. And then she's like asking the questions to try and assure herself that, you know, the mind version of this guy are the same. Like, that's why she had Warwick on the one on one. She had this version of him in her head and she could realize in the moment.

Oh, I was wrong about that. I think the bubble could pop and she could realize. I think it's possible. My mind version of Xavier is not the Xavier that's with me. I think it's only possible if it'll be up to Xavier. Because when Charity's asking these questions, she even starts nodding before they even start talking. Yeah. She's like anticipating their question.

And she's like, yes, I like that. Yes, yes, yes. So it's like she's- It's like affirming with herself. Affirming what she internally wants. And again, if she wants Xavier, Xavier probably will be, now that he's at hometowns,

there'll be a lot of one-on-one conversations Xavier is gonna have with a bunch of producers. And again, it's a combination of them making a show and at the same time, he needs a support system. I wanted to talk about my feelings and process my feelings. I didn't to talk about my feelings and process my feelings i didn't want to talk about these feelings especially at this juncture with the other dudes who also assume they had strong feelings for the same person so i was like who wants to talk with

me about my feelings i need to like figure them out and so they're gonna you know they'll say things like listen it's a crazy world and yada yada but like you know you're overthinking it how do you you know and so they'll kind of massage him into you know i guess however they might want but it will be his feelings but if if xavier says like so who brought up nate and michelle you know very similar in that where nate was nate's nate's dad nate's stepdad was like i don't know if this guy's ever been in a relationship nate's like i don't know like this but like i'm in love and i think he genuinely was in love with michelle nate and i nate as a human love right but like nate is a potential life partner who was ready to get engaged showed all the red flags he needed to show for Michelle to be like,

what a beautiful tall guy, but I don't know if this is the right pick. But in fairness to Michelle, I always find it frustrating as a lead for like, you know what? My person's probably not here. And that's for the charity or whoever, myself, whoever myself, this is why I would defend charities pick of Xavier if she does, because it's like, don't, Dotton might be great. It might be wonderful. But at the end of the day,

like I'm not obsessed with them. And, and, and if anyone is going to be my person, it's, I'm going to see if it's a Xavier because I'm not going to get in someone. I'm not over the moon excited about, so I'll just get engaged Xavier and I'll see if it's my person

because there's a good chance the people who don't know me that well, who are in charge of casting, who are also considering making a TV show, who aren't just casting for me, that there's a good chance my person's not here. What if Xavier says, I really like you. I want to date you. I'm not going to propose. I think she would be devastated. Yeah.

What do we think she does? Has there been a bachelorette who's not been proposed to? Has a bachelorette ever proposed? I don't think Becca Kufa. That's what I thought too. Charity seems pretty old fashioned when it comes to dating. I imagine she might be devastated. Only one bachelorette ever ended the season without getting engaged.

And that was season three's Jen. It was her birthday the other day. I saw it on the page. Happy birthday. I think Cherry would be frustrated. Yeah. I feel like it's, they're fantasy suite. I'm so excited to see what the morning of that is going to look like between Cherry and Xavier.

I totally forgot about that part of the show. Sex week? Sex week. How could you? How could you forget? I just, you know, it's always like hometowns. They're like, and then, oh, who are they going to pick? Yeah.

That's kind of how it goes. Because I think now everyone skips sex week anyways. There'll probably be just one person that you'll have sex with, and that's probably the person that she's going to win. Except for Zach's season. That didn't go that way. It's usually two. Yeah. I just think they should not even talk about

if they did or not. Just spend the night and who knows? That wouldn't be ideal for everyone involved, but. Right. They get a little nosy with their questions sometimes. Yeah. Aaron just whining his way to hometowns i found it to be frustrating it's hilarious that we have not like oh well aaron still got a shot no one's no one's even touched in on that part no he hasn't even had a date what are they gonna talk about their

home he had the first one on one yeah yeah he was the first one he's saying he's been a long time since my date i want to show her nola and meanwhile sean and tanner are like dude we don't even know her name like eric had a one-on-one he's the first one-on-one of the season i forgot i forgot what they did when they go to a movie theater or something like that no i'm tripping was that i want to love like the hollywood sign yeah ah yeah was that him yeah was that was like the sign right okay i don't know were they in LA yeah

I thought he didn't oh okay no he had a date yeah oh so long ago because he said in this episode it's been so long since our date

yeah I knew he was the first date one on one we would know if he hadn't had a one on one is he the one with the kid well I thought he complained so much

that's why yeah so that was okay because he doesn't have validation since his first one on one oh because that's where like Braden started getting upset about not being picked oh yeah that was okay because he doesn't have validation since his first one-on-one oh because that's where

like Braden started getting upset about not being picked oh yeah that was the first impression of him like I should have got the one-on-one

okay alright no one wants love like Hollywood it's gross what do y'all think of Tanner and how he carried himself

I wish I knew who Tanner was I think he did the best he could yeah I just I just don't think you know it was ever a match it was. I think he did the best he could. Yeah. I felt like... I just don't think, you know, it was ever a match. It was, you know...

And he went through the process. And I think that's what you get. I think it's gonna go... It's gonna bode well for him, like, going forward. Because he actually bought in and did it. But he's like, alright, well, I know what it was. Like, we didn't have that connection when we never got to the point where I thought we were gonna get to.

I thought it was good. Carried himself well. He didn't get angry about it we never got to the point where I thought we were going to get to and I thought it was good carried himself well he didn't get angry about it like Sean did he wasn't in denial yeah he stood in his own lane he's like this is how we're going to run I'm going to run my race with her and I guess it depends on what you want and completely forgettable and not

memorable yeah and they totally could have set him up I'm sure they could have given him like a next bachelor at it if they wanted to yeah I think so like I'm sure they could have given him like a next Bachelor edit if they'd wanted to. Yeah, I think so. I'm sure they had footage to show, but it was just like, oh. Because Charity was really crying when she said bye to him in a way that she wasn't crying with Sean.

And she was like, I don't want to be the first. The breakup with Sean was cringe. He was like, please no. And she was like, this is the decision I have made. And he's like, but I love when he goes, if we got that one-on-one time,, please, no. And she was like, this is the decision I have made. And he's like, but the... No, but I loved when he goes, if we got that one-on-one time, we could get there. And she goes, but we're here.

Like, it was like the phrase she was like... She didn't look at him either. She would be like... I always love it when the lead is just like, you know, I just can't wait. You know, keep in mind, she didn't give him, you know, she didn't give out a rose on that two-on-one. But the presumption is just like, you know, we'll figure it out a rose on that two-on-one but the presumption is just like you know we'll figure it out i just need more time and then coincidentally he shows up and he

gets into the process of falling in love and i always love how the lead then immediately knows that like it's time to break up that's my cue you know yeah um brendan did that on my season he was literally in the same position it's like i never got a one and one with his chapstick on and so you know listen you're making a tv show and so you always have to like kind of wait for dialogue to happen and so you know i'd always know if i was sending someone home before a date you know and so it's just like you just gotta make some tv and then the cue would be i'd get a cue and it'd be from no fucking way from the back it was just like you know let them talk and let them talk and usually it was let them say i'm falling in love or i'm in the process of falling in love you know

and then and then i would no the cue is this that's nuts that was the cue. And I'd always seen it at the corner of my eye because I'm kind of looking for it. Can't they see it? No, because they're behind them. And it's dark, kind of. So the girls have no idea. They have no idea.

Well, Hometown's next week. And next week we have the one and only Suzy Evans to help us break down Andrew's girlfriend. Susan. Susan. Susan. She's great. Nice lady. Nice new. Nice lady.

Andrew, please let my audience know all the wonderful and wacky things you're doing online where they can follow you and enjoy your content. You can follow me on everything at Andrew Z. Spencer. I'm on threads now too as well. I don't know if you guys use it.

I don't. I'm on it. Instagram, Twitter, TikTok. I think I'm funny sometimes. You're hilarious. If you want a good laugh, I would head there. All right.

Well, thanks for listening, guys. We will see you back on Thursday for an amazing episode of Going Deeper. You do not want to miss that. Bye.