The Viall Files - E616 Going Deeper with JoJo Siwa - Growing Up Famous, Pet Peeves, and Shooting Your Shot

Episode Date: July 27, 2023

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Going Deeper Edition! At the beginning of the episode, we discuss current pop culture topics such as a woman being contacted by Playboy after throwing her bra on stage at a Drake concert, Raven Symone actually having visions in her real life, and Ed Sheeran performing karaoke at a local bar.  Then, we are joined by JoJo Siwa to catch up on all things career, family, and romantic relationships. Nick asks hard questions such as something JoJo feels misunderstood about, her coming out and public dating journey, and where things stand with Candace Cameron Bure. We then have a Texting Office Hours caller who is debating shooting her shot with a guy who ghosted her two years ago.  “I want to complain with JoJo Siwa for ten minutes.”  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Join us for our new LIVE show on Thursdays at 9PM ET/6PM PT on Amp, available in the Apple app store. Android User? Listen here: https://www.onamp.com/  To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com   If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Paramount - Paramount Plus. Stream Now.  Beis - Right now, BÉIS is offering our listeners 15% off your first purchase by visiting https://www.BEISTRAVEL.com/VIALL   Miracle Brand - Upgrade your sleep with Miracle Made! Go to https://www.TryMiracle.com/VIALL and use the code VIALL to claim your FREE 3 PIECE TOWEL SET and SAVE over 40% OFF. Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @itsjojosiwa @alison.vandam @liffordthebigreddog @dereklanerussell

you're crazy what's going on everybody welcome back to another episode of the vile fouls going deeper edition i'm nick your host joined by the household alley amanda derrick genevieve are with us we have a fantastic episode for you today the one the only jojo siwa is our guest today i'm very excited about it i've gotten to know jojo recently fast friends what a just a wonderful human being twin flames in a way i never expected yeah i think you guys might be the new Snoop Dogg and Martha I hope so JoJo Snoop

I agree ironically I wore a Snoop Dogg t-shirt into the gym this morning oh no fucking way I'm just saying manifesting that energy yeah I'm probably Martha right yeah

unfortunately love Martha manifesting that energy, you know? Yeah, I'm probably Martha, right? Yeah. Not some time in prison. Unfortunately, I just... Love Martha. I just don't know if I have the street cred that JoJo Siwa has. Martha has street cred. She was in prison.

Also, I just saw a Martha Stewart commercial and she's getting a Snoop tattoo on her and I could see you getting like, in a commercial, getting like a JoJo tattooed on you. I don't know. You should get a little bow tattooed on your forehead yeah merch is like soft tattoos yeah i'll wear merch i don't know if i'll get her face tattooed you could get a bow tattooed on your forehead that would be cute first face tattoo as like a

deep cut my forehead yeah it was it was obviously not a legitimate suggestion it was just an inflammatory i like it my god is it like a bow tattoo just anywhere in my body wouldn't be aggressive. You could do like a garter bow. Oh my God. Oh my God. Would you wear a garter at your wedding?

Because I'm adamantly against it. Well, I don't. It's still a thing. I don't, I haven't really been to a wedding in a while where they've done the whole like. Tossing.

I can't. Up the leg. Yeah. We care. I just think it's kind of gross. Why? I don't want to watch that happen. Taylor brought it back.

Well, yeah, but she's not having someone take it off of her. What did she do? She just wears one during her concert. It's part of her costume for one of her leotard boot situations. But she's not having a guy take it off. She has a garter belt on her leg. How do people see it? Because she's literally wearing a bodysuit and tights.

And there's a garter belt. Yeah, and boots. Yeah, it's like a leotard basically oh okay yeah but the wedding thing I think is different

like throwing it to your guy friends I don't really I didn't think I knew that that was the thing yeah yeah it's like that's really weird

like it's like the bride will like sit down on a chair in the center of the dance floor and then the groom will like go under her dress

and like a like a kid under the covers playing space. We'll be like rummaging around. Sexual space. They make a kid do it? No. Who else is going to fit under there, though? The groom.

It's like you see his head bobbing. Isn't he supposed to take it off with his teeth? Yeah. People have done that. In front of her parents? Yeah, in front of everybody. In front of everyone. In front of God.

Oof. Yeah, that's like a foul ball. If there's bases of baseball, like that's a fucking foul. That's a no for me, dog. Like it's sexual, but it's not, we're not advancing anywhere. Wow. All right, well, what are we getting into before we get to JoJo? Another thing I would like to talk about with weddings is,

do we have like a good communal like dance song as of late like you know i'm talking cha-cha slide ymca cupid shuffle like a song where it's like everybody knows what to do there's a set routine why do we need a new one we haven't had one in so long it's been a drought chicken fried but why do we need it because it is a great equalizer it gets people on the dance floor who are too self-conscious to dance electric slide doesn't have that oomph anymore i it's not that i just want something new i want more that people can look forward to yeah because i feel like for a while there's a mark macarena did that count oh yeah i think so do people do that at a wedding

depends on how old they are yeah or where you are at yeah ymca do people do that oh yeah yeah oh yeah ymca hits you want a new yeah 2023 version of some sort of because i feel like basic white person can't dance absolutely routine yes choreography yeah because i feel like when tiktok dances were really big like at first everyone was like oh my god imagine like weddings and everyone's doing a tiktok dance but most of them are nearly impossible how many times have you tried not many never actually never and and if i did i would have been really successful and good but i think the songs we're talking about are more like barba mitzvah songs sure sure i think as as a society, someone should take it upon themselves to think of the next one.

Who do you want to take up that mantle? Oh, that's a good question. Well, first I'm curious, what is everyone's favorite basic routine dance? Cupid Shuffle. Okay. Probably. It's got the most swag to it. Which one is that?

Sing it. Down, down, do you do, do, do. Oh, I like that. Which one is that? Sing it. Oh, I like that. Derek, you hate that. I don't like the cupid shuffle. I'm sorry. Too much groove for you? I'm a cha-cha slide stand.

Loyalist. I feel like the cha-cha slide is universal. I don't know. Yeah, and it tells you what to do. So it's like you can't get out of sync. Allie, what does the cupid shuffle they're all the same yeah there's like a like i think a little wrinkle in the cupid shuffle that's not on the electric slide but the macarena the the intro of macarena goes hard but there's no legwork for the macarena is there you pivot you pivot oh yeah i'm turning there's a hop turning. There's a hop.

There's a hop. Yeah. Where did you guys learn these dances? Because I learned them in P.E. Same. Our teachers taught us these dances.

I was too old. Yeah, no, I learned them at weddings, I guess. I learned in P.E. Yeah. That's where I learned the cha-cha slide. Maybe high school dances.

I don't know. It wasn't gym class. We learned the cha-cha slide from our second grade teacher's mother-in-law who was wearing bedazzled jeans and she got up on the stage and she taught it to all of us. Was she a teacher? No. She just arrived. Yes.

That's a fun mom right there. Bedazzled jeans. Fun mom showing up with bedazzled jeans at the school to be like, let's dance, kiddos. It was like almost grandma age because it was our teacher's mother-in-law. It was like, she was just, yeah. Well, please,

I want people to get into heated discourse in the comments about like, what is the best line dance? Like YMCA, Macarena, Cha-Cha Slide, Electric Slide,

Cupid Shuffle. I just thought of mine. What? The Hoedown Throwdown. Oh, yeah. That's my favorite. But you're not going to play that at a wedding. I'm not familiar with the Hoedown Throwdown. You, yeah. That's my favorite. But you're not going to play that on a wedding.

I'm not familiar with the Hoedown Throwdown. You're not familiar with Hannah Montana. I think it's the most recent one. I feel like that would be the most. Wow. And that was middle school for me. Also, are we going to talk about Cotton Eye Joe? That's not a.

Yes. That has a dance to it. Yeah. There's a very. What? You don't know the Cotton Eye Joe? I also learned NPE. Oh, they didn't teach me that one.

It's like Cotton Eye Joe is fun because you get to do the las i also learned npe oh they didn't teach me that it's like the cotton i joe is fun because you get to do the lasso motion there's a lasso and i think that's that's fun yeah it is fun people love it they should have a concert where all of those artists just like meet up and just do it like back to back the audience is exhausted everyone everyone's so tired but everyone's having i feel like it's like zumba live yeah yep oh did you see that drake um the drake bra situation i saw a video of a girl throwing her bra i presume that happens at every great concert yeah well playboy is ready to sign her to what model really find that i was well drake encouraged it He was like, someone find her.

Yeah. In the crowd. Because he like, he takes, so he, the bra is thrown. He looks at the tiny little label by the clip and is like, 36G? Someone find this woman. That's what he said? Yes. 36G.

Yes. G. Yeah. I didn't even know there was a G. Yeah. What does it go up to? That might be the last. I feel like M. I feel like I've Googled this before.

You could probably get anything. There's an M. Anyway, so. So, yeah. So Playboy has DM'd her asking to work with her in some capacity. So I don't think it was specified, but Playboy's kind of done away with their magazine. They've switched to more of an OnlyFans style business model. What does that mean?

So while this woman wasn't very, you know, ready to go for OnlyFans style business model. What does that mean? So while this woman wasn't very ready to go for OnlyFans, despite getting asked, something about being asked by Playboy called to her. So Playboy has basically a pay... They have their own website behind a paywall. Yeah, with video. Where other than OnlyFans, you could basically do what you do on OnlyFans

behind Playboy and just get the panache of yeah i guess the idea knowing nothing about this my thought would be like the idea would it would be a little more like curated like with only fans isn't it like anyone can kind of sign up and like it's just like like youtube like self-publish and see what happens but like with playboy it would be a little more like, are they worthy of Playboy? Yeah, I feel like there's still a level of exclusivity, like being a Playboy model. And I'm confused.

And is the draw because Drake gave it attention or it's a size G? Well, both. It's like the transitive theorem. Drake gave it notice. If A equals B and B equals C, A equals C. It's not as if Drake saw her... Her chongas?

The G's. The G's. You know, so it was more like Drake's into G's and she just happened to throw her bra. It's a bit of a reach. It just feels like... I think what it was was Jake was like, wow, wow, that's a large bra size. Sure, yeah.

That's impressive. And then there was like a mystique, like an imagination. And I think probably Playboy was like, now people will be intrigued so we'll have her

create content on our platform. It's not as exclusive as I thought. There's literally a button on their website that says become a bunny and when you click it,

it says, click it, you can become a bunny, when you click it it says click it you can become a bunny earn money be discovered attend playboy parties connect with creators it literally sounds like a girl from high school giving you an mlm pitch be like it's so cool you can earn money and there's these exclusive parties it really is a community of like-minded people top creators earn millions playboy used to be such a thing. I know. Build my profile.

Okay. Allie at the Vile Pile. Okay. Not on work. Nick at the Vile Pile. No, not at work hours. The thing is, bras are kind of expensive, though. Yeah.

Oh, to throw up on stage, you mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wasn't sure where you're going. I'm sorry. I feel like almost everyone has at least one bra that is like all reliable. And like, it would be devastating to lose. Imagine that maybe she was just like, you know what?

She went through her bra drawer and was doing like a clean out. And she's like, I'm just going to bring this to the Drake concert. Yeah. Do you think she brought it or she unclipped? Because then she's just at a concert to be loose. Might be my worst nightmare. Yeah. To bounce around. Don't G's need to be keep caged supported yeah okay i feel like that's how a bra feels sometimes you know what i mean you don't like to be caged always i think she was going through her underwear

drawer and was like i need to get rid of these anyways i'm just gonna throw this on stage you know in middle school like on tumblr when people would do like the little yn write-ins that were like i go to a concert i'm reading a book i don't even know who this artist is and then he notices me like this is a real life what is your name like you fill in your name so it's like you read it in your imagination so it's like like soft core erotica it's like making gabriella montez porn i went to an all girls middle school you cannot blame me for anything i did the gifts of like pulling panties down or undoing a bra you'd watch those like 47 times they did tumblr had some like some poor the one direction ones were like my mom sells me to one direction sells you oh my god is this how are these girls okay but i was reading them so maybe i wasn't

you were getting like excited about reading scandalous yeah and they were all like they were all like i pull back my hideous hair into a ponytail god i'm so ugly oh my god yeah but that was the other side of tumblr i sized two jeans like oh god this is a real thing i because like let me find i feel like i don't want to i don't want to speak for all of it. Me personally, like at no point was I like, oh, I'm going to look up porn. But I was looking up fucking Thinspo on Tumblr, which is very toxic. Thinspo? Oh, my God.

It was like the worst. So bad. It's like it was just like like thigh gap Tumblr. Like what was the point of that? Why was that such a draw? Everyone wanted a thigh gap. I was like, I was like a teen girl who was vulnerable i don't think any teenage boy has ever like said to his buddies you know what i like a good thigh gap

that's good to know now yeah it's 10 years too late i don't maybe yeah i don't i don't remember having that conversation that my ex used to say that he'd be like i don't know when the meeting was when men voted on this stuff but i was not there yeah i don't yeah i don't know what seminar you ladies went to thinking we care like a lot of things but yeah i think maybe the ladies do it for the ladies i guess i don't know i feel like i was made to feel more insecure by other women not because of what they were saying just because like i would look at them and compare yeah yeah yeah like the boys they were all hideous yeah they were all shorter than us yeah yeah all right what else we got oh my god um did you see that speaking of the hoedown throwdown and disney and all these throwbacksbacks. But Raven Simone says that she has psychic visions like her That's So Raven character.

Took the character a little too far. Oh. Yeah. She's a psychic. Yeah. I'm not familiar with Raven. It was the best Disney channel. I was only made aware of it since I had Raven on my season.

And then That's So Raven was done a lot while filming. But other than that, I was familiar with, like, I know the show existed. But what's it about? It's so raven was that a lot while filming but other than that i was familiar with like i know the show existed but what's it about it's so fun it's this girl who has psychic visions and so like like in act one she'll get a vision and then it's like oh what's she gonna do how is it gonna come to fruition should she intervene usually every episode was her getting a vision yeah she'd be like oh snap yeah she would like look off she had a very she was like an amazing she had so much talent still has it oh my god yeah she would like look off into the distance with a very specific look in her eye sometimes one eye was like slightly

closed raven simone carried disney channel on her back i believe in psychics puns fucking intended is is something she said. Yes. I truly believe. I believe actual humans have the ability to brain in their brain to tap into energy fields that allow for truth to connect when you know how to translate it correctly. I can walk into a room and it's reading energy and energy in the psychic plane because it's not on a physical material plane. Can I see a picture of this person? Of Raven?

Yeah. And to give Nick context, she was on The View? She was on The View. Okay. I do have moments where I will just stare and I will see a scene

that is happening to me or that is going to happen to me in another dimension and I'm like, yo, this is weird. There will be a time when I'm walking and I'll trip over nothing.

Well, that also happens. That seems separate. So it's called being clumsy. Yeah. I'm psychic too then. But interesting. Okay. I mean, who here believes in psychics?

Me probably. I don't actively believe in it, but I would hear someone out. I believe mediums. What's the difference? Well, mediums are speaking to people who have passed. Psychics sometimes I feel like can dabble into both, but not necessarily always. Yes. We should have you go to a psychic.

Why? Because I want to see you like question them. They don't enjoy my company. Oh. I'm not one of those. No way. Yeah. Yeah.

They don't enjoy my company. It can be very therapeutic for some people. Yeah. Very comforting. Yeah. Because I think it's like we talk about this. Everything happens for a reason, people. Yeah. Very comforting. Yeah, because I think it's like we talk about this. Everything happens

for a reason, people. Yeah, or like people who just need like an extra push to closure. You feel everything happens for a reason? I do.

I think it's like easier to come to terms with things if you think about it. Oh yeah, it's a soothing mechanism. Yeah. And I think it's like, you know,

people on the show all the time like call in, especially if it's like with like an ex or something where they just like, they're like, I just need closure. Like I think it's like you know how people on the show all the time like call in especially if it's like with like an ex or something where they just like they're like I just need closure like I think sometimes people really like don't feel like closure is something they can achieve on their own and so to have like an external force who can be like even if it is like it just takes away your agency though you know if everything happens for a reason then your choices don't matter oh well and I believe that they do well Well, Ed Sheeran performed

impromptu karaoke in Nashville. I think that's fun. If you could see, like, some singer in your favorite dive bar, who would you want to just see actually just, like, drink beer and sing karaoke? Not Ed Sheeran.

Great question. Why not Ed Sheeran? He's really talented. Yeah, I know. I know. But it would just be, like, a guy playing a guitar. You want to see Harry?

I want a performance. Yeah. you want to see Harry I want a performance yeah you want to see Harry and I want Ariana Grande maybe I mean if I got to pick anyone I'm just like no disrespect to Ed just saying if I got to pick anyone to serenade me like the weekend Ariana people who can really hit some crazy notes. And that's got a nice voice. You know? That he does. Am I nuts?

Why did he do it? Celebrating breaking the attendance record. Yeah, he made a stop at a pub in Nashville after he performed in a stadium. And he was like, when I lived here, this was the spot, and it still is. Karaoke, caravan, and cheap beer, what's not to love? But why did he do it?

Because he wanted to just go and have a normal night to celebrate, and he went to some karaoke. Yeah, Ed, out of all the successful singers, I feel like he feels very normal. Totally. He wants a normal life, and he's able to achieve it in some ways. Yeah. You know?

I feel like also the way he came up on like a singer-songwriter circuit, like when I was like privy to that because I had like friends and dated people, like it's really, like it's such a grind and it's, I feel like you really have to like

develop a love of the craft because of how much, like you get very little validation in a lot of ways. And so I feel like Ed Sheeran like never lost that like humility and work ethic. I'm still fixated on Raven Simone thinking she's a psychic.

Should we have Raven on to ask? Yeah. That would be awesome. Do you think she would? I don't know. She and her wife have a podcast. Okay. Let's do a little swap and swap.

That would be great. We can talk more about the visions. Yeah. She wouldn't want me questioning about her psychic abilities. Well, I think it depends on how you do it. Truly. That's weird. So you think you're a psychic? questioning about her psychic abilities. Well, I think it depends on how you do it. Truly. That's weird.

So you think you're a psychic? Tell me about me. When am I going to die? Yeah, I don't know. She trips over herself. I think that was just one of the examples. I think she was saying, one, she can walk into a room and feel things on emotional and physical planes. Two, she can predict what's going to happen to her.

Three, sometimes she'll trip over nothing. Well, like walking in a room, let's say, for example, when someone's having like a bad day, maybe there was drama in the room five minutes earlier, you can feel that energy. It's palpable. I don't know if that makes you a psychic, right? You'll have to get her on and ask.

Oh, shit, what's been going on in here? It seems like their mood's down. I think it's that she then knows, maybe has insight into what happens next is the thing that's the psychic element of it. It's not just reading the room, but like- Anticipating. Reading ahead on the room.

Like what? Give me an example. Like, if this is gonna happen. Okay, so you come in, there's a lot of tension. And then maybe Raven's like, I think someone's gonna storm off like i think this

person's gonna storm away and i think a door is gonna slam i don't know maybe that's the thing do we think it was confusing for her to have her character's name be her real name kind of have that character bleed into reality i mean you could say the same thing about miley but that kind of was her well didn't my dad oh yeah but her mate the main character in the show is miley i guess it was like seinfeld i feel like there's such a storied history of like people naming characters but jerry played himself yeah and simone to genevieve's point played herself it maybe maybe she thought well if that's Jerry this is me and I'm a psychic so what a bummer though for her if she actually is a psychic and what I mean by that is like it kind of ruins her credibility having been the child actor who played a psychic because that immediately makes you not believe it no yeah it's almost like okay like you said yeah yeah oh sure

someone got someone drank the kool-aid of their own show but what if she actually but she said that um her abilities are led by guides who she's been in tune with since she was seven which is prior to to that so raven no no i get it what i'm just saying what we wait what who like puts a seven-year-old drops them off at daycare with some guides? No, no, no. She means spiritual guides. Oh. Like Sixth Sense.

She was walking around on the playground talking to her guides. Wow. Yeah. It's like a different version of imaginary friends. I don't know. She has been famous and successful her whole life. Maybe it was the guides who guided her to stardom. We'll have to ask her when she comes on.

I'm manifesting it. I'm seeing it. I wonder if she knows if she's going to do this show. She can feel that we're talking about her right now. I would love for her to do this show. What a dream. Yeah, let's try to get her on. Amen.

All right. Well, speaking of child stars, it's time to get around amen uh all right well speaking of child stars it's time to get to jojo don't forget to send those questions at ask nick at the vile files.com for all things texting office hours ask nick we have an update special for all you update lovers out there it's available to everyone this time around i know you guys love those updates we have a fantastic episode for you tomorrow. If you are starving for more, don't forget that we have Vile Files Plus

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Welcome Thank you I start every one of these Conversations by asking my guest How their heart is So how is your heart? You know my heart's actually Really happy

I just got home from A two week cruise With my best friends and with my parents. I mean, I'm not your best friend. Sorry. You are my best friend. But yeah, no, it was my heart's full. My heart's full. Yeah.

Jojo and I recently got to hang out and we've become we can't talk about why yet. But we're best friends now. We're besties. Yeah. We're stuck together. Even if we didn't want to, but we're best friends now. We're besties. Yeah. We're stuck together. Even if we didn't want to be, we're stuck now. But in all seriousness, I have such an admiration for you after getting to know you. You're a really special person.

Thank you. Really. It was no shock to me after getting to know you to understand why you are as successful as you are. Thank you. But I just figured, let's get together and I'd love to get to know you a little bit more. I'm so scared. We're about to go full deep dive.

Yeah. Who are you, JoJo Sewell? It says here your real name is Joelle. Joanie? Joanie. Joelle Joanie. I like Joanie. You like Joanie?

It's named after my grandma. I like Joelle too. Thank you. How did you go from Joelle Joanie to JoJo? Because it's so my mom liked the name JoJo and then I'm named after a dancer who my mom loved and her name is Joelle and then Joelle, Joanie to JoJo? Because it's, so my mom liked the name JoJo. And then I'm named after a dancer who my mom loved. And her name is Joelle. And then my grandma's Joanie.

But they called this Joelle who was the dancer, they called her JoJo. My mom loved that. And then the JoJo technically comes from Joelle is spelled J-O-E-L-L-E. And then Joanie, J-O-A-N-I-E. That's why there's two capital J's. Because it's technically two names put together. That's great merch. Thank you. You were going to bring me some and then Joni, J-O-A-N-I-E. That's why there's two capital Js because it's technically two names put together. That's a great merch. Thank you. You were going to bring me some and then you forgot.

I'm sorry, I forgot. I'll bring you some, I'll bring you some. So like what's going on in your life? A lot, so much. It's interesting. I've kind of been going nonstop for the last- 20 years. Jesus Christ, yeah, 20 years.

And in this last two weeks i took a break and i literally was like no work i'm not doing anything related to work i'm taking two weeks and i'm doing nothing and now today's literally my first day back and i'm like oh my god we're back to reality like even just driving in la i was like jeez just all feels like work. But yeah, I have a lot of music happening right now, which is consuming my life, but it's the most magical thing ever. I am getting a new puppy today, which I'm very excited about. Do you know what kind? Is this breaking news? It's breaking news. No, I'm getting a Bernadoodle. Cute little puppy Bernadoodle. Great, Great dog. Yeah, his name is going to be either either going to be Clyde Juno Siwa or Juno

Clyde Siwa. I can't decide what flows better. Is it a male? I think Clyde. I think Clyde too. It's not my dog. I don't want to presume to be naming your dog, but I like Clyde. Clyde, yeah. Both names have big meaning to me. Clyde, obviously you know what Clyde is.

Nobody else gets to know what Clyde is right now. And then Juno is this vacation that we just went on was in Juno. Huh. What made you want to get a dog? You know, we are a family of dogs. Right now we have two puppies. We recently we had a puppy that we got in like maybe March. And he was he was a healing puppy.

I got him after I had gone through an awful breakup I was just sad needed something to be happy about and so we got him and then about three months after we got him he was attacked by a coyote yeah literally in our backyard my dad was as far away as me to you like right in front of of us. It was awful. And he was a little baby. And so he passed away. And since then, like our families had like a little hole missing. We have two dogs now and we had three, like it's just a little weird. And we were like, all right, let's get another one.

And we just kind of, we waited till we like had like the perfect puppy. That was like, yeah, that's the one. And this little guy, he's so cute. Oh my God. Brown, white, fluffy little ball. And he has one, that's the one. And this little guy, he's so cute. Oh my God. Brown, white, fluffy little ball. And he has one eye that's half blue. Really cool. Cutie.

That's cute. Little Clyde. Yeah, I'm so excited. Yeah, I loved getting Jeff. You'll have to have play dates. Let's do it. What kind of dog do you have? He's a golden doodle, essentially.

A golden doodle? Yeah. Big golden doodle, little? Little guy. He's about 30 pounds. How big is Clyde going to be? I think about that. We have one golden doodle right now who's like maybe 20 pounds and then one who's like

60. And so they said that he'll get to be like 20, but he's already the same size as our 20 pounder. So we're like, no, there's no way. He'll be like 30, 40. Wild. Yeah. So I was curious, like, like you know getting to know you

i before i met you i certainly knew of you and obviously you're a huge celebrity and you've been a celebrity essentially your whole life yeah and i always find that like i've always liked people who've only been famous i find kind of fascinating and i feel like there's like a perception of like they're probably not normal you know I mean I don't think I'm normal per se but that being said you are incredibly down to earth thank you

and normal but I'm curious as someone who's had to deal with you know you have such an intimate relationship with your fans but as we know fans are a blessing and a curse you know fans short for fanatic and it's like we love fans but like you know every once in a while it just can be tough yeah what is the thing that you feel like being in the public eye what what do you think is one thing that you feel the most misunderstood because i feel like i don't know my little time in the public eye yeah it's like it's easy to feel misunderstood but it's hard to try to articulate

that or or when you do you feel like you're complaining or whining or yeah but like how this is a safe space yeah how do you feel like it's safe space for everybody on the internet the utmost unsafe space that exists. Yeah, there you go. This exact room is. These four people feel safe. But in the sense of like, yeah, we're like, do you, or maybe you don't. Maybe you don't struggle with that.

Or maybe, because again, I didn't like, I wasn't like studying Jojo Si before I met you. But, you know, for someone like myself i i can be considered polarizing i can be i i've you ask 10 different people about me you might get 10 different opinions absolutely it can be frustrating at times you do your best to try to just not let it get to you yep but you're only human i didn't have a in any way a bad perception of you when i met you but having got to know you just it humanized you. And it was like, what a wonderful, thoughtful, caring person. You have a bit of snark to you. You have a sharpness to you. We live in a world of sound bites. So how do you deal with that? And is there a way in which you feel a bit misunderstood?

Yeah. I think for me, the hardest thing is because I grew up on reality TV. So I did my first reality show when I was nine. And so it really is all that I know. I mean, I had eight years of life before, but like, what do you know as an eight year old? You know what I mean? So I think for me, the hardest thing is like people look at my life as if I'm a character and if they can throw anything at it. You know what I mean? But at the end of the as if I'm a character and if they can throw anything at it,

you know what I mean? But at the end of the day, I'm a human. It never really affected me until I started to get into relationships because then it started to affect another person that I really loved and cared deeply about. And so that got really tricky for me to try to figure out how to balance like, okay, I'm fine with it. i don't give a crap because i know it's i know it's just what it is but the person that i'm with it doesn't have that same feeling especially my first um girlfriend she had nothing to do with the public eye and so getting dragged into it i was very protective of her but it was it was hard because i'd be okay with things but maybe she you know what i mean like that it's hard to balance it's hard because I'd be okay with things, but maybe she, you know what I mean? Like that's, it's hard to balance. It's hard to not immerse them into your life.

Into your life, yeah. Your life is a public life. So you can only do, you can only protect them so much before. It's, you know, because a relationship is all about being equal. Exactly. And I've been lucky, like, like with my first, she was very good about being like, the internet doesn't matter. But then somebody else that I dated. Was it Mark?

Who is Mark Bontempo? Mark Bontempo was when I was straight. Okay. Mark Bontempo. I wasn't sure. He's a sweetie boy. He was a good guy. I was, oh God, maybe 17.

He was my first official boyfriend. He was the little brother of one of my very, very close friends. And they were like, let's set you guys up. And so we started dating. And the shittiest part about this was explaining to him that I was single. Because about two months before him and I met, I was like, I want to mess with the internet. I have a boyfriend. So I told the whole internet that I had a boyfriend, made this running joke. People were asking me to prom. Can't go. My boyfriend won't let me. How does JoJo see you

have a boyfriend and I don't? It kind of became like a meme. So then Madison was like, oh, I want to set you up with my little brother, but you have a boyfriend. I was like, no, actually I don't. But now I'm so deep into this pickle that i actually do need a boyfriend to help me get out of this pickle and so she was like let me introduce you to mark she introduced us and then mark was like yeah but you have a boyfriend and i was like no i really don't it's you mark no literally we started dating like a week after um uh because it was gonna be like national boyfriends their national girlfriend day and i was like well want to be my boyfriend or he has do you want to be my girlfriend i don't remember who asked but said yes we dated for like two months maybe a month maybe i don't know

yeah he was sweet i'm very i am very happy that i got to have a cute little boyfriend experience you know what i mean because i don't- What do you think that taught you? That I'm gay. Okay. Check. I do believe Mark's in a relationship now. He seems super happy. I just scrolled through back through memories of us the other day and was just dying laughing

at me being with a boyfriend. I just thought it was hilarious. But he was always really kind to me. Like, we had a lot of fun nights. We would go for drives in the convertible and go to the christmas drive-thru parades it was just like cute you know what i mean it wasn't so serious it never had to be taken serious we never said i love you like it was just a cute little relationship are you dating now ah i wish no i'm not i'm i'm a single as a pringle i. Single as a Pringle. I have interest in a person.

But I... Does she know? Yeah. Yeah. How is it? Are we in the flirting stage? How do we meet her? We are in the...

All right, let's's rewind what's your type masculine okay i like taller than me taller than you okay somebody who is not in the industry that's tricky that's tricky it's tricky i've dated industry and i've dated not industry i have found the middle ground is non-industry, but someone who's familiar with said industry. Yeah, I like that. Maybe they modeled on the side. Maybe they even dated someone in the industry before to give a little preview. Yeah.

Because there has to be some level of- Like, oh, I get this. Yeah, or not intimidated by it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's so weird. I do think, too, it just is like gonna be the person one day you know what i mean like i try to not put so such specifics on what i want because i'm just a firm believer

and like what's gonna come in my path will come in my path and yeah and also like i mean i mean again you're you're younger but like do you have that mentality you know being you're 20 i'm 20 do you have that mentality of you know fuck it i'm young i want to date i want to meet people but like whatever i'm busy i have a lot going on or you know shit when i was 19 or 20 i remember very much being like i gotta have a girlfriend i want to i put a lot of value yep and having a partner and feeling that that was a reflection of my self-worth. But how do you? It's interesting because I am a lover.

I want love. I want to cuddle. I want to kiss. I want to watch movies. I want to go on dates. I want to have fun. Now, the problem is because of the position that I'm in, because of who I am, my family, my friends are like, you're 20.

You're Georgia Seymour go out to WeHo go find a girl by the night and then you never have to talk to her again like just go to her by the night they want you to be a fuckboy yeah and I'm like I can't like A that's not who I am inside like that's I'm a very loyal

person I'm a very honest person I'm a very like I either want to be committed or not but then on the flip side of that like also for my career I can't like if if I start talking to somebody and the world finds out about it then immediately the world is like oh yep you are dating that person you're getting married and if you break up you're both shitty humans you know what i mean and so dating in the public eye is very very hard and i uh i've had two very public relationships and they have causing problems for each other and i kind of realized like no matter who i end up marrying no matter who I end up dating, they will always be compared now to my exes because it's so public.

From a public standpoint? Yeah, it's so public. And like, so when I was dating my second girlfriend, everyone was comparing us to my first girlfriend and our relationship. And it was very, very different. Obviously, they're both very different humans. And it's tough. And so I told myself, like like no matter who that next person is

like i really i don't know i want to keep it private you know i want to keep it just in home but then it's like the world wants it even more so it's like oh yeah it's tough it's so tough dating in the public eye i've done a lot of stuff in the public eye i mean it's been my whole life i've gone through puberty in the public eye like it's been brutal i had braces in the public eye like all the things that i hated middle school yeah and like all of that was like the most public years of my life and somehow dating takes the cake for the hardest what was it like to yeah i mean i guess even coming out you know was that what was that like internal process like? Did you, did you struggle with that? Were you, did you have fears of, from an audience standpoint? Because again, fans have an expectation of you, regardless of what your expectation is of yourself.

And that can sometimes feel like it's in conflict. Yeah. How do you deal with that? So my coming out personally was quite easy. Publicly was quite easy. And then after I came out publicly, I was like, oh, shoot, what did I just do? So basically, I had this friend. We were very, very good friends.

And then she was gay. I knew that. We saw each other a year later, in love i'm gonna call it puppy love you know what i mean i don't i don't think i've really truly been in love love i don't think i felt love love yet but that is the strongest love that i've ever felt for sure anyways so i'll say we fell in puppy love and literally that we hung out for a week together at the end of that week my mom was like you really like her don't you and At the end of that week, my mom was like, you really like her, don't you? And I was like, yeah, I do.

And my mom was like, do you like her as a friend or as more than a friend? And I was like, more than a friend. And my dad gave me a high five and said, sick, no pregnancy scares. And my mom was like, yeah, I figured. That was literally how I came out to my family. And then we drove to the airport and went home. And then her and I started dating like a week and a half later.

And then to the world, I told all my friends literally by calling them and playing I Kissed a Girl. Everybody knew. Like it was obvious. Her and I were like a little too close to be just friends. They knew it.

Called them all, played I Kissed a Girl. It was funny, laughing. Then to the world, I posted like two days before on my close friend story a picture of me wearing a shirt that said best gay cousin ever and that was to tell like my like more broad friends that like i don't personally want to facetime and call so they found out on close friend story and then literally two nights later i was on facetime with my girlfriend at the time and i was like i think i want to tell the world i think i want to post this picture publicly

she was like do it and i was like okay and it was like two in the morning and I literally posted it then I woke up the next day and I was like what did I just do because I didn't expect the response I mean it was like you know when you wake up on your birthday and you have all these texts and the Instagram stories it was that times 55 like it was crazy people I haven't talked to in years reached out the celebrities that reached out and it was very overwhelming it was very very overwhelming and I was like is this the right choice and I had a lot of people at corporations told me that I made the wrong choice I shouldn't have come out that I shouldn't tell my young demographic that I'm gay. Oh, yeah, and um kind of What's the term like I think it's like blackballed right where they like listed blacklist or blackballed or but you know

Yeah, like like not black male shunned. Yeah, they kind of they kind of shunned me from their their Corporations in a way was that terrifying? No because I That's the judge i love i don't want to work for a company i don't want to represent something that doesn't support who i love you know if if somebody has a problem with me telling little kids that it's okay to be who you are and love who you want to love and do what you want to do, then we don't need to be friends. We don't need to be, we don't, I, we don't. And like, I did lose a lot of fans. I gained a lot, but I lost a lot. And I always said, if, if somebody doesn't love me because I love a girl, then I don't want them

to love me anyways. You know what I mean? It's been cool. A lot of people will say to me like, oh, I wish I had someone like you when I was younger. I wish I had somebody that, because I came out when I was 17. So I was still really young and I still am really young, but 17 is even younger. And it just was like, this is who I am.

I've built my career off of being who I am. Not going to hide this. This is the best part about me now. Like, oh. And I'm assuming it's also probably been pretty inspiring because I'm assuming there's been a lot of, you know, my sister is gay. Yeah. Is she hot?

Is she single? Beautiful. She's definitely your type. She's not tall, though. How tall is she? She might be an inch taller than you. That's fine. That's fine.

Maybe. We could even be the same height. As long as she's not like five four. She's more masculine. How old is she? 20. That's fine. Maybe. We could even be the same height. She's more masculine. How old is she? She's about your age. I think she's got a girlfriend. All the good ones have a girlfriend.

I've never... It's funny. I saw her over the phone in July. Text her right now and be like, hey. I don't know. She'd be like, what do you think of JoJo Siwa? Yeah, just text her that. You know, she was born as Olivia. Now she just asked to be called Clark.

So now her name is Clark now. Work. She just, you know, it represents her. Yeah. In terms of how she feels. Cute. So let's see. If she is taken, I do not do coming in between relationships.

That is not my vibe. I got put in a position where I did not do coming in between relationships. That is not my vibe. I got put in a position where I did not come in between a relationship, but to the internet, they thought I did. And I will never, ever, ever put myself in that situation. We don't. But, you know, I don't know if it'll last. Nick's like, if I have anything to do with that. I also, I don't know

Nick wants Jojo and the family real bad I'm pretty sure it's her girlfriend she can't her girl her friend

came up to the lake house and so like stayed overnight so I'm assuming it's somewhat serious but it's relatively well we'll find out

what she thinks of you we'll find out um yeah maybe okay anyways well I still do that when I got to know you kind of remind me of of yeah her a little bit but i just know clark you know it's like every every

young person you know i come from a very catholic family yeah very traditional my parents have gotten a lot more progressive but i think it was you know clark you know clark and my parents came on my podcast a while back and kind of talked about that um in terms of what it was like for her to come out and and what at the time felt like for her just a very traditional very conservative old school family and just kind of how you know yeah but ultimately it was a it was a beautiful a beautiful thing but it takes a lot of people like you thank you to kind of give that kind of motive not motive i guess an inspiration and that safe place an example example of it's okay of how how someone can be proud of who they are and their sexuality and not be afraid of it yeah i think that's a big thing i think a lot of people are

just afraid of it and worried that people are going to look at them differently. And yeah, people are. You know what I mean? But some people are going to celebrate you more. Some people are going to dog on you. Sure. And it takes a lot. It's not easy to walk away from those people that are being mean. But you want to really find the comfort in the people that are just cool with you.

Celebrate you. Like if I tell her her job, she's in the Navy Reserves and she works on heavy machinery. Hot. Hot. Yeah. I don't know if she's taller than you though. She's kind of short. I dated for like a week, one little shorty.

She was a little shorter than me, one person. Not for you. But then I dated one person that was like four inches taller than me. That was great. Ideal. I'm reading here. Uh than me. That was great. Ideal. I'm reading here. Uh-oh. This is not about you, actually.

Oh, okay, good. But I'm curious about your opinion. TMZ confirms Ariana Grande is dating Dance Mom star Kelly Hyland. She is. We're going with it. I thought Ariana Grande was dating the guy from Wicked. She was married to the realtor. Yes.

They're getting a divorce. Now she's dating wicked she was married to the realtor yes they're getting a divorce now she's dating kelly highland but what happened to the guy from wicked is he gay he had a wife he had a wife you're you're thinking about jonathan bailey yeah they were at wimbledon he's gay we're talking he's playing what fiero she was dating the guy who was playing Bach who was Spongebob on Broadway. Got it. Wait. Yeah. Like red hair? Yeah. She's dating him? But is she dating him or is she dating Kelly Highland? Kelly Highland. But TMZ confirms.

If TMZ confirms, that's when you know it is real. You know, I hate to say it, but they A reliable source. An invasive and reliable source. Do you know, I hate to say it, but they... A reliable source. An invasive and reliable source. Do you know Kelly well? Oh my God, I cannot believe they're dating. He is so sweet. So you know him?

I know him, yeah. He is an angel, baby. And I've had interactions with Ari. Met her once at a movie theater. She was super kind. Messaged with her a little bit online. Super kind. Know her brother really well.

I cannot see them together. Wait, he kind of looks like her brother. He does kind of look like Frankie. A little bit. He has Frankie energy. He kind of looks like Frankie. He's been around for a while

and he kind of looks like Pete. Interesting. But who's Kelly Highland? So Kelly Highland was on Dance Moms. Okay. Which is the show that I was on.

Paige and Brooke's mom, right? Paige and Brooke's mom. Yeah. We never were on the show together. Is she dating him or kelly highland ariana grande right she's not actually dating kelly highland there's no way kelly highland is married or maybe divorced i don't know has three children very straight not to put words in kelly's mouth tweets you who wrote who put this is this did the gennady make this yeah but i see the tweet tmZ confirmed Ariana Grande is dating. I wouldn't know how that theory. What's the date here?

Yes. Yes. I think it was just like a funny meme. I think it's just like funny. I don't think it's like. I think people are running with it because it's like, who isn't she dating?

Kind of. Oh, baby. Okay. And like that. Oh, this is a parody account. Yes.

Okay. Genevieve. And that is the problem with the world today is people will believe anything she's not dating Kelly Highland she's dating her brothers look alike

okay all right okay of all people Kelly Highland that is so that's weird front page news also oh man and what wait why does pete davidson have to complete 50 hours of community service what did he do after beverly hills house crash house crash oh yeah do you remember he had that

high speed crash in beverly hills he was charged with reckless driving in June. No. Did he run into a house? 12 hours of traffic school and to appear at a morgue or hospital for educational purposes. Davidson must also pay restitution and obey all laws. As if he doesn't know people could die? He's got to go to the morgue. He's got to see it.

That's brutal. This could be you. Stay out of your phone. That's kind of weird. Stand in this morgue for two hours. Oh, my God. Okay. A little uncomfortable.

Did you hear about the story about a young lady who's going deaf, and she's going to as many Harry Styles concerts before she loses her hearing, and it's just like I want to hear the most you know beautiful music in the world what a sweet story oh my god yeah that's so sweet Harry Styles finally ending his world on his love on tour

concludes are you a big Harry Styles fan I am not like but like I love him like I didn't go to any of the shows. He's not my like in my top five, but he is like, yeah, I'm more like Lady Gaga, Miley Cyrus, Michael Jackson, Freddie Mercury. I don't know who that number five is going to be.

Is Lady Gaga your number one? Yeah. I do like a Lady Gaga. Yeah. I don't know who that number five would be. Maybe like a Prince. Elton. Nope.

Nope. Elton. Elton. Elton. Yeah. Love an Elton John. I never met Lady Gaga. that number five would be maybe like a prince elton nope nope elton elton elton yeah love and elton john never met lady gaga i saw elton john like from five feet away i didn't really meet him where at at one of his parties no golden globes golden globe okay drake lee's hotel in a dog mast what's the craziest way you've ever avoided paparazzi, JoJo? Oh, craziest way I've ever avoided paparazzi?

I tend to not avoid them. I do tend... Yeah, like, hey, no. I was... When I first started talking to this girl, we wanted to keep it on the down low. Clearly did not happen. Paparazzi found

us outside of a restaurant. She, I have, I keep like cute little animal pillows in my car and she grabbed one of them and like covered her face

with it. And I was like, what are you doing? Too late. They already got it while we were walking out. Now you're in the car. Like,

just put it down. You're looking silly. Like into furry play or something? Yeah, I was like, this is, this is odd.

Just relax. We're all going to be fine. I don't know. It's hard for me to avoid that. My car is very obvious. That's my car. Yeah, I was going to ask about that? Yeah, I was like, this is odd. Just relax. We're all going to be fine. I don't know. It's hard for me to avoid that. My car is very obvious that it's my car. Yeah, I was going to ask about that. Yeah, my car is very obvious

that it's my car. Do you have one that's not your face? So I did. I had, I, when I got my license, because I didn't get my license

until I was 19. So I got my license and then my parents were like, you need a car without your face on if you're going to drive by yourself. I was like, great, cool, let's do it. Bought myself a Lamborghini. My parents were like, great need a car without your face on if you're going to drive by yourself. I was like, great, cool, let's do it.

Bought myself a Lamborghini. My parents were like, great, really not inconspicuous at all. And I was like, I know. I was like, it's white. And they were like, JoJo, normal car. And I was like, it's white. It's plain white.

And then it was funny. Drove that for a while and then I had this merch collection come out and I was like, I kind of want to wrap the car with the merch collection on it. The internet gets a kick out of it you know what I mean like a lot of people like someone straight up asked me they were like are you a narcissist because only a narcissist would put their face on their car and I was like god no I was like it's I mean I get the logic but yeah no absolutely it's very but it's like it's just been a thing that I've done for the internet since I was 15 and it's very but it's like it's just been a thing that i've

done for the internet since i was 15 and it just works and it clicks and people get a kick out of it and i get a kick out of it and it just was like it is what it is and uh so put it on it promote the merch and uh now it's still there are you a good driver yeah very good driver i uh i believe because of my cars i've had to be super defensive i bet because people will video and take pictures and swerve into me and swerve out of me and so two to two i've never never had any problems i got one parking ticket brutal that was it yeah yeah where do you feel like you found leader qualities because you have them it's obvious you ooze them i've gotten to know you but like how where did where did that is that always inherent did you develop that where did you kind of find that

um mentality to you you look it's clear that you like to look after people you care about you're you're you're not intimidated by anything it seems like but yeah yeah where do you find that i think my mom my mom definitely is that like, that side of me comes from her. When I was really little, I would help her out with dance classes, and I would teach the little kids, or I would, like, if it was like the class of five-year-olds and my mom was like not into it, I would just kind of teach it. But I was only like nine, but I loved it, you know what I mean?

And like she would obviously be there, but I would kind of like take over. Like I just, I don't know, just kind of boy i've always kind of been like that definitely i get it from my mom what is a pet peeve of yours like what drives you dear christ do you want them in alphabetical order in top 10 what do you what do you want top five top five okay biggest pet peeve there's like the small ones like breathing loudly chewing noises slurping a drink slurping food food on face there's like those boy yeah then there's like i'm potentially guilty of some i was like are you sure you're best friends i don't know if i see this don't let this man have gum i'm a bit of a chomper are you a chomper on gum? Yeah. I've never been around you with gum. I feel like I can be a loud breather, if I'm being honest.

It's a bit of a self-conscious. Really? Yeah. Well, I had a lot of asthma as a kid. I was an asthmatic kid. I was a little sick kid. Really? And then I had a deviated septum.

Not a nose job. An actual deviated septum. But they all say. So yeah, as a kid, I was a bit of a mouth breather i never noticed it from you you know i don't work maybe you're just the quietest of them and i'm not like i'm a bit of a messy eater you know yeah not the messiest though maybe that's why i never noticed that's true how do you feel about um well i also i i i do i bite my fingernails oh yeah nail biter pretty good you bite the skin i bite the skin no i have but how do you feel about people spitting fingernails it is my favorite thing in the world it'll make sense one day it'll make sense one day all right

what else is a pet peeve of yours i want to complain with Jojo Siwa for 10 minutes. I don't really like it when people like lie when it's unnecessary. I mean, lying is never necessary. But if you don't want to hang out, just say like, hey, look, I don't want to hang out. If you are going to be late, don't be like, oh, traffic. No, girl, you were just 10 minutes late. Like, it's OK. You know what I mean? I'm with you on that. I don't like lying. If you are going to be late, don't be like, oh, I traffic. No, girl, you are just 10 minutes late. Like, it's OK. You know what I mean? I'm with you on that.

I don't like lying. Just be straight up. Somebody who doesn't work hard is a very big pet peeve of mine. And somebody who complains about everything or more specifically their job. That really drives me crazy because at the end of the day, they say, like, fall in love with your career. So that way it doesn't feel like work. fall in love with your career. So that way it doesn't feel like work. Fall in love with your job. No one is going to love their job 24 seven. You know what I mean? Like everyone's going to have a good day. Everyone's going to have a bad

day. I love my job. There are days though where I'm like, oh, but when it's somebody who is like overly complaining about their job at some point, I'm just like, all right, like we get it. You don't like it. Um, that drives me crazy. You don't like it. That drives me crazy. I don't like it when I'll be having a conversation with somebody and they just keep like turning it into an example about them. Oh yeah. You know what I mean? And I, I'm, I'm guilty of this and I'll catch myself in it. We all can do that. We all can do it. And I think sometimes it happens out of excitement. You know what I mean? Like, you're like, oh my god, you got a dog? I have a dog. You know what I mean? Like, that's

fine. But then when it's like... A lot. Every single conversation, it's like, hi, dog. Hi, dog. What scares you most about society today? That's a good one. What scares me most? Yeah, if you were to worry about, like,

the state of the world, what's one thing where you're like this or just people or the mentality of people? Honestly, God, I'm probably going to get canceled for saying this and that's all right. I'll take it. How serious people take things. I love that answer. I think the key to like right now we're in a period of, I think survival is based off of the ability to ignore people.

Yeah. And I think like we just went through something where we really learned like life is beautiful. You know what I mean? And I think that it's taken very seriously as it should. But sometimes when people get so angry about something that's out of your control, you gotta, you gotta be able to find peace and like, okay, you know what?

I can't do anything about that. So now I have to adjust what I need to on my end to be able to make it work. I think, yeah, we're living in a time where we are focusing so much on things that are outside of our control. And we're,

we're like wearing it like a fucking disease and it's and we're like bogging ourselves down and yes it's it's important to involve yourself and to care and to care about things that are greater than yourself and be involved but it's it's we've gone beyond that yeah we're now it's a little extreme now yeah a little extreme and we're we're forgetting to connect with people that we yeah have we're also afraid of the power of the internet oh shit it's very scary like the whole thing that went on i don't really want to say her name because i don't want to give her attention but the thing that went on with the fake kidnapping and the like that that to me is something that's like the whole internet like got together to try to help and make a difference.

And it was all basically a knock knock joke. You know what I mean? It's like starving for attention. But it's like one thing like really grasps hold like the submarine happened. And like that was was massive and that was devastating and tragic. And then this happened and this was going to be that next like devastating, tragic thing. And then this was fake. You know what I mean? So like that scares me of like, what are we going to be told is happening that isn't, or what are we going to not be told

that is happening that we'll be told something else that we focus on something else. That's how do you deal with, uh, because like for me, I've grown up in a more traditional and conservative household, but also I feel lucky to have left the nest, so to speak, and immerse myself in more progressive cities and culture cities. And I've expanded my horizons. I feel like as an adult, I've become just generally less ignorant and things like that. And again, I think we live in a time where it's not even a disagreement. It's all good or evil. You know, it's like if we don't see eye to eye, it's not like, oh, well, you know, we agree to disagree or you just, you know, you have different points of view than me. You know, it's like, you're bad. I'm good. Obviously someone like yourself, you know, as a gay woman, you have a lot of critics. There's a lot of, you know, bigotry kind of

points of views out there. How do you deal with something like that? Because maybe it's just easier for someone like me, straight white guy to say, you know, like, can't we all just get along? But, you know, I don't really ever have to deal with hatred or bigotry or things like that. How do you deal with that? And do you agree with that sentiment of it's okay to disagree with people even around maybe even strong topics? Because, you know, the tricky thing is like, for example, religion can be just like it might not come from a place of hate. It just might come from a place of like, this is what my faith teaches me. And, you know, how do you deal with stuff like that the best example and the safest example for me is with dance because i feel like if i i talk about more serious examples then people will come at me with being like but

but but but the best example is dance so dance as a dancer you can get very offended very easily because people will call you a athlete and you know i'm an artist people call you an artist no i'm an athlete you know what i mean and so dance technically is not a sport there's no way to put it into olympics because it is an art it is based on your your talent and dance is based off of personal preference personal judgment you're judged based on opinion, basically, not fact. You know what I mean? But you could say the same thing about figure skating. Exactly.

But technically, there's something in figure skating with the triple axel. And so they could break down dance to be like, all right, pirouettes in a line, go. Who's going to do the most? There is ways, but then at a a competition it's all artistry and so that's where people with dance will be like well it's a sport but is it is it an art but is it you know and so as a dancer like I am I an artist sick am I an athlete sick I'm very you know what I mean like if somebody said hey do you play a sport I'd go no I dance but some people would say yeah I dance you know what I mean and so like, as that person, I've been a dancer my whole life.

I choose to, if somebody says, oh, you're a dancer, you must be super athletic. Yeah. Oh, you're a dancer. Oh, you're super artistic. Yeah. Dance isn't a sport. It's an art. Yeah. Dance isn't an art dance is a sport you're just also yeah yeah yeah and so i think as the person who is being put in that position like oh you're a gay woman you shouldn't be able to do this it is up to me now as this person to say okay and move on or to fight them you know and we my mom and i have this saying um is this the hill i want to die on you know is this the hill that i want to fight on um we also have the saying when they go low we go lower so it just depends on the day just depends on the day which uh which quote we're feeling but a lot of times you know people

put me in that position of being like you shouldn't come out to your young demographic okay i'm still going to you know what i mean and so for me that's something that's not worth fighting and i think that i mean it obviously can grow to massive levels but i think at some point we all just have to take life and be like, all right, look, somebody died yesterday. Somebody died today and somebody is going to die tomorrow. And we don't know when it's going to be our last moment. And so I try to live every day, like not upset about something, not fighting about something, not angry about something.

And I think if the whole world could take life and be like, Hey, this thing that we have with that we have one of is so precious and valuable. Let's just make peace, you know, and let's learn how to agree to disagree. Where do things stand with Candace Brouwer? Because that was, you know,

it's like a year ago today. Candace has obviously some very strong points of view. Don't agree with a lot of them. And, you know, at the same time, it seems like she's, you know, just believing in her faith and God, you know, where do you draw, you know? And so, and then obviously, you know, you came out, you said some things about your experience when you interacted with her. And I just know having talked to her daughter at the time that created a lot of stress on their side of things. But where do things stand now?

Reflecting back now from a year later, how do you feel about it? Would you have done anything differently having had a year pass being a year older? It's interesting because after everything happened. And so for anyone that doesn't know, i posted a tiktok saying this is the nicest celebrity i've met this is the funniest celebrity i've ever met this is celebrity i want to meet my celebrity crush rudest celebrity i ever met and like you show them super fast oh so it was just kind of in a it's just it wasn't like today i want to throw shade yeah no story time fast even know that that completely changed i actually was throwing shade on purpose on somebody

else. So I said celebrity that did me dirty. I think something like that and I flashed something and I like that was the point. Like that was the point of the TikTok and that people did not pick up on that but they picked up on Candace. So people are like what

happened with Candace? It is a very it's a personal experience. I think some celebrities I've met have been so kind and some have been so not kind. And Candace might've been having a day. It was the premiere of Fuller House. All of the cast was so sweet. Everybody from Bob Saget to Jodie Sweden, John Stamos, Dave. Everyone was an angel. Andrea, all of them, so sweet. Then I went to go say hi to Candice and take a picture with her. And I was like, hey, Candice, can I take a picture with you? She's like, not right now.

And I was like, okay, fine, no worries. I was sad. I love DJ on the show, but whatever, fine. I was 10 or 11 at the time. And then I walked away from her and went back over to my mom. And I turned around and she was taking pictures with other kids. And just as a little kid that just like stuck with me,

you know what I mean? And it was just kind of one of those things that if somebody was to ask me that question, that would be my answer. And so I didn't think, I didn't think at the time it would be much of it. And obviously the world went into a frenzy. Even when you tell us right now,

it's a completely different perception than what I thought it was. Because I heard it through the internet. Yeah. Third party, through clickbait. Yeah. Then it was this whole frenzy. And I remember at the time being like, that's, you know, boy, you're really kind of outing her, JoJo. You know, like.

Yeah. Well, that was the problem. Yeah. So then people ran with it. And then all the gay community, all the LGBTQ community was like, yeah, get her. And all of her fans, all of, I mean, I don't know if they have a specific, she has a very religious following. You know what I mean? And there's nothing wrong with the religion.

I grew up super religious. And I mean, I still have faith. I still believe. There is a faction of, you know, she's Christian. Yeah. She has a very Christian audience. Yeah. And I think a lot of times to like LGBTQ people, Christian people, some of them are great with

each other. Other times it is like, let's go to war. You know what I mean? And I think that that's one of those things that we kind of just have to be like, all right, guys, like, we're all going to be all right. You know what I mean? We all got one life. Let's just live it.

Surround ourselves by the people that we love but so everyone started coming after her everyone started coming after me we were both getting hit she called me she was like can we make peace of this she's like what went on she apologized and I was like honestly like I appreciate that you called like all if you make a post I'll respond to to it. I responded to it, whatever, fine. And then after that, like dust settled. And so I was like, all right, fine, whatever. She's cool. I just won't speak of her again to the internet. Like just keep it private.

Like I actually had a little bit of like, I shouldn't have posted that. She didn't need that. I didn't need that. Like let's learn the lesson for next time. And then I haven't talked about this ever. She did her Christmas press release for her movies and it was it's fine and you should do a movie with traditional marriage with a man to a woman

um not that that is what should be traditional marriage but it is traditional marriage you know what i mean like a lot of times people are like that shouldn't be traditional marriage, but it is traditional marriage. You know what I mean? Like a lot of times people are like, that shouldn't be traditional marriage. Anything can be traditional marriage. But typically speaking, man to woman marriage is traditional. And it wasn't about that. It wasn't that she wants to do a movie about that. It was that she wants to do a movie about that to put downqia and that she was specifically going to make movies that had no representation of lgbtqia which is fine but it's fine if you're doing it because it doesn't it's just your movie

storyline it's just it is what it is like elf i don't think elf has a gay storyline like not everything needs to be gay essentially but when you're doing it out of spite to say that too much is about lgbtq right now you guys suck and i want to make a movie about traditional marriage and you're not traditional that got to me a little bit and i don't remember what her exact press release was and what she exactly said like she was doing it almost to fight against exactly yeah exactly and ever since that came out I was like it was like the article was like Candace Cameron says no to gays like it was like I don't know if that was her quote if that was TMZ's quote and we talked about how you can't believe everything you see on the internet but after, it gave me a little sense of like, okay, you and her are never going to agree. You and her are never going to be friends. You and her are never going to get along. You and her are never going to, I'm never

going to be able to change her. She's not going to be able to change me. We can both just live life. We can both just have fun. But I wish she was able to be a little more open, a little more accepting. I'm okay with calling her out in the way that I did. For a while, I regretted it. But after I found out that article about her not wanting anything to do with LGBTQIA, that's my people. You know what I mean? I got to stand up for my people. with LGBTQIA. That's my people. You know what I mean? I got to stand up for my people. And that's messed up, you know? And so I just kind of. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Give us her quotes. Scroll down a little bit. Oh, yeah. Yeah. This is when she was switching from Hallmark to Great American Family. Yeah. And she was saying that her heart wants to tell stories that have more

meaning and purpose and depth behind them. I knew that the people behind Great American Family were Christians and loved the Lord and wanted to promote faith programming and good family entertainment. So that's what I don't like. Because... As if it's the other is bad. Why is LGBTQIA not allowed to be good, loving, Christian? You know what I mean?

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Like, it works. They understand it. Like, and they're little, they're five, but it just, it works. You know what I mean? And then I have some other friends that are like, oh, take your kids off the internet, please. Like, they're not into it. They don't like it.

That's not happening. You know what I mean? Like, it's so hard. And it really is based off of the kid. You know, I'm in a way not I mean, I'm not I'm not guilty of it. There's nothing to be guilty of. But I have a girl group. And so I have five kids that are aged 11 to 13, who, of course, are very public.

And in a way, I feel like their older sister. I mean, I'm not their mom. I don't feel like their mom, but I feel like their older sister. And when we were creating the girl group, there was a few kids that I was like, that kid won't be able to handle what will come with it. But these five kids are made for it. You know what I mean? And so I do think it's on a kid by kid basis. I think you have to listen to your kid and give them out. Because once you're deep into the internet, your kid's not going to say like, oh, I don't want to do this anymore. Maybe they will.

But think sometimes you have to give your kid the option of like, hey, are you still happy? Like my mom did that for me. She sent me to third grade normal school. And she was like, just so that way you can say you tried normal school. Did not. It was not the vibe but i'm grateful that she did that because then i knew that like i had that chance i didn't like it but it's it's tough and we're the first generation of it you know what i mean like we don't we don't know what the aftermath of the kids that have grown up on the internet are gonna be they're gonna sue their Or. I think like 15 years from now, you're going to get a lot of parents.

That are. A lot of kids. Yeah. Are going to be. Well, what's also hard is there's no industry regulations for the internet yet. And I think there will be. YouTube kind of started to create some

as I was doing YouTube. I was a kid YouTuber, but I was doing it all myself. I was filming, editing, creating all of it myself. And so there was no one behind me running it, making me do it all myself. I was filming, editing, creating all of it myself. And so there was no one behind me running it, making me do it, whatever. But then there was some other kid YouTubers that were younger that physically couldn't be doing that stuff. I mean, the examples were me and I was, I think, 15 at the time and Ryan Toy Review, who I think was six or seven at the time. Two very different examples, but they were like, uh-oh, you're kid YouTubers and we don't have laws for you. You can't post anymore. You can't make money anymore. You can't do ads

anymore. And so everything came crashing down for us on YouTube. And we figured it out, got it kind of, but like when you work as a kid in the industry, there's school that you have to do. There's welfare workers. There's a Coogan account where 15 percent of every penny you make has to go into this account. And with YouTube, it's like, here's your check, parents. You know what I mean? And so that's going to be interesting. I think in like 10 years, there'll be some better laws for kids on the Internet. But it's just like, how do you how do you regulate like self-publishing. Yeah. But I mean, my mom always says, when you're in the hospital and somebody hands you your baby

or wherever you are that you may give birth and somebody hands you your baby, that is your baby. And you get to do what you want with that baby. That is your child to raise. That is your prized possession. So I think as a mom on the internet, you're going to get a lot of opinions

from left and right about what you should do, what you shouldn't do, what you should post, what you shouldn't post, what you should show, what you should hide. And that is that is your choice to make. You're the bomb, you know. But yeah, we don't know what's going to happen in 18 years. Do you feel like having grown up in the spotlight that you missed out on some stuff that the average kid got to do?

You know, I just talked about this two days ago to my parents and my best friends. I was telling them, because my dad was like, everyone in life has one deep, dark desire that would make them so much happier. And so we were like, all right, what is everybody's? And for me, I've had my same career since I was nine. So what was your first job that you ever had?

Well, in like corporate America I was at McDonald's but the first time I made money was um for it's like a story my parents always tell but it was our neighbors they were remodeling and I would just I would I was like eight or nine and I like one day like knocked on our door you know because we didn't grow up with a ton of money and I was just like hey can you like can I like do some work and you guys can hire me so like they took their floor they took their floor off and i was i were they tell the story like i was i always had a good work ethic yeah i was on my hands and knees for hours just scraping this like old floor just going and i got like you know it was like two bucks an hour at the time and i remember the next day i

couldn't like move my hands i was so, but that was the first like dollar I ever made. That's a great example. Cause you were, you were nine, just say, or eight. Yeah. I was pretty young. That's so picture. You're still at that neighbor's house, still doing construction on it. You'd never went to McDonald's. You never did bachelor. You never did whatever else you've done in your career. You've never wrote your book. You never changed it up a little bit. That's where I've been. And I only have realized that as I've gotten older, I've been with my same job. I mean, of course, I've done different jobs within my job, but I've been with my same career, I was like, I never got the chance to work on a cruise ship or work at McDonald's or work at iFly or work at a laser tag joint. Like I never, never had the chance to do that and branch out. And so I realized as I'm older that I missed out on some of that. But well, Lana Del Rey was seen working at a Waffle House in Alabama.

Oh, my God. Maybe I'll go there. Maybe you could just like, I'm sure we could set it up where it's just like target for a day. Where would you, if you could like work anywhere for a day, kind of blue collar or maybe it doesn't have to be blue collar, but where would you? I'd be an indoor skydiving instructor. Yeah. Indoor skydiving instructor. For sure. When are we going?

Whenever you want. Great. Yeah. I can't wait. What was your coolest celebrity moment of like getting to meet a celebrity probably elton or miley elton john or miley cyrus is there a celebrity out there that you would like to meet do you have a celebrity crush and it doesn't have to be necessarily like sexual it could just be like i've read p Pitt's a celebrity crush of mine. Yeah. Oddly, I find celebrity men more attractive.

And I think because it's just so unrealistic. You know what I mean? Like, I think like Zac Efron is like a cute man. You know what I mean? Harry Styles is a cute man. Like, I don't have any like actual feeling towards them. So I think that's why i'm like yeah somebody crush but i mean of course it's like zendaya jenna duan oh so hot like would you go on a date with them

well wait i don't jenna no um zendaya yeah yeah billy eilish oh tomorrow set me up please okay um now jenna's j, Jenna was my gay awakening. And so Jenna knows how I feel about her. Jenna and I have talked a lot. She's become a good friend. Like, she's... That was like your Amanda Chicks. Yeah.

Okay. I don't think you watch her lip sync battle and not feel that way. Yeah. That's what it was. She's a beautiful person, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. That's what it was.

And, oh, my God. So, it's so magical. Yeah. What did you ask me before? Celebrity crush? There's something before that question we did coolest encounter but yeah someone I'd love to meet there it was Lady Gaga

for sure dinner with Lady Gaga count me in I feel like you could make this happen you know we have the same choreographer so Richie Jackson is both of our choreographers and we have been rehearsing. There's this awesome rehearsal studio here that everyone

rehearses at. Literally one day it was me in one room, Miley Cyrus in that room, Meghan Trainor, Justin Bieber, Gaga, Kanye West. That was the order of the rooms. Yeah, it's crazy. And so the days that me and Gaga are there, Richie literally will run back and forth between

the two of our rehearsals. And you didn't like pop in and say hello i'm waiting for like the like proper invite okay does richie know oh yeah okay oh yeah he's also like they've talked about me together okay and like she said like next time we're here like tell her to come and i'm i'm just like nah it's got to be like natural i'm not showing up like fangirl vibes, even though that's what I'll be. Okay. Wait, so Ariana Grande is shifting, sorry. Not Ariana Grande. Ariana Maddox, Tom's ex, is on Love Island?

She did a little guest appearance. Do you watch reality TV at all? Not really. Being a reality TV producer yourself? No, not really. Okay. I like Grey's Anatomy a lot. I like old school Disney shows. Are you familiar with are you familiar with scandival at all scandival only what's on tiktok scandival's a

liar scandival's a liar um no that's all i know about it um yeah i got nothing anyway yeah ariana she's on uh love island yeah she flew all the way to Fiji just to make it up. She's not dating, I'm assuming. No. I saw her a little bit. She was like strutting. She was like a hot new bombshell in the villa. It's me.

And then she's like, I got a text. Like she was doing all like the like quintessential phrases. I know she's a big fan of it. Yeah. Okay. Are you familiar with The Scandival? Oh, I am. Very.

Yeah. I'm deep. Deep in. Yeah. Is there an internet story that you got insanely captivated by and super invested in? Definitely the submarine. I knew everything about

the remote controller, the ocean gate, the CEO, the people on board. I knew everything about the submarine. Could be an ocean explorer at this rate. What else did I get involved? There's a lot of really niche lesbian drama like the la the fletcher concert i want you to talk about there what are you talking about i was talking about like like the la like you know like the queer field day folks who and organizers like that kind of like tiktok lesbian la oh i wish it was the la one no it's the St. Pete, Florida one and Tampa, Florida one. And what's the Fletcher concert drama?

Oh, my God. So we're at this Fletcher concert. So, OK. Oh, my God. I'm going to break down Les Topia in one minute. This will be fun. Les Topia. OK.

Les Topia. There is like these like five to ten lesbians that are in Les Topia. So there's there's you know, I'm'm just gonna talk super openly about this i'm gonna use names i'm gonna make it really obvious because it's really confusing and anybody who is in the five percent niche group that knows about this will really appreciate it so there's this lesbian tiktok her name is kales she is the tmz of lesbian tiktok okay kales looks scary like my ex um kylie so kales and made this tiktok being like haha i'm the product of jojo and kylie this is funny that's how we got introduced to kales okay then kales became lesbian drama

influencer then me and kylie break up okay fine whatever she predicted our breakup three days before we broke up how she did it don't know it got into all the drama on that yada yada yada then kylie and i get back together she She posts that Kylie and I get back together. Yada, yada, yada. Okay. There are now new characters. There's JoJo and Kylie. There's Avery and Sophia.

There's Alyssa and some other girl. There's, I can't think of what her ex's name was. Doesn't matter. There's, yeah, missing people. We'll just focus on that group. Because there's other people. Then there's like kayla and dallas and there's a little uh uh anna in there somewhere there's not not anna show me she's great love her um anna i can't think of it doesn't matter okay jojo and kylie

break up avery and sophia break up jojo and avery get together sophia and alyssa get together it's like it is just like messy okay it's all a hot mess the internet loves it they adore it they hate it then Avery and Jojo break up Sophia and Alyssa break up Sophia gets with Anna show me with her precious now Alyssa gets with I I think I think she's with Renee I don't I'm not close to either of them so I don't really know but judging off the internet I think that's who she's with now. It's just such a hot mess express. And so that I'm very deep invested

in. It's called Les-topia. It's very complicated and very messy. I need a flow chart. I'm in. Yeah. Yeah. Literally. Yeah. I want one of those boards with like people have made them. People have made them. Well, speaking of relationships,

it's time for texting office hours, JoJo. Ooh. And we're going to help someone. Let's do it. With some relationship advice, which you being wise beyond your years, I have no doubt you'll offer some great advice. Honestly, I give really good advice.

I just can't take my own. I give really great relationship advice because from an outsider's perspective, I can see it. I can tell you. But in my world, I don my world you'll fit right in yeah because you're not you're you're detached emotionally that from the problem and your ego is not involved in other people's that you don't care about validation and all these other things so away away we go. Let's do it. How's it going? Hi, good. I'm Michelle. I'm 32. And I'm trying to decide if I should shoot my shot with someone

that ghosted me two years ago. Okay. And you're... Case closed. You write after that, which I know sounds crazy, a little crazy. A little bit. Yeah. which I know sounds crazy, a little crazy. A little bit, yeah. So you pitch us. You're in a sales presentation and you're selling us on the idea of reaching back out to the person who goes to you,

knowing, obviously, you know that I just, off that statement alone, I don't think it's a great idea. But I want to hear your pitch. I want to hear your pitch. Okay, so two summers ago, we matched on a dating app. And after we exchanged a couple messages, I learned that he actually doesn't live in my city, but lives about two hours away in a really small town where my sister does. And so distance wouldn't be my first choice. But since it's a

place I go minimum once a month anyways, and I wasn't having much luck in my own town, I was like, why not? Let's just give it a shot and see what happens. And so communication was good from the get-go. We seemed to hit it off and have a lot in common. We met up a couple of times and had a couple of really good dates. And then one weekend, he came to stay with me for the night and all all went well there we had a great time when he left like no weird feelings or red flags so to speak but then the next week just in our communication i felt like there was a shift with him and that maybe he like wasn't as interested or like trying to keep his options open did you guys hook up just like we did okay yeah so they did hook up a week after you guys hooked up his tone changed

yeah so like right after he left like once he got back to his town it was like it just seemed a little bit different like he was still really consistent with communication and like initiating and stuff but it just seemed like he wasn't like maybe as excited um and then like when he came to visit it was during a time where I already had a visit planned back to his and my sister's city within the next like week or so. And so before he came up, and we like wanted to see each other when I was going to go see my sister, we're like, yeah, we'll make plans. After he left, he said that his work schedule changed, which it often did like in his line of work, his schedule is not super consistent.

And so I was like, okay, like the timing of that seems a little suspicious to where like, now he'd be busy when I'm coming into town. But like, he still was like initiating conversation. And so after like a week of just not being super sure, I thought like he said something to kind of give me a segue to ask if he was still interested. like I should have called him with this like I probably shouldn't have done it over text like that was problem number one but when I said I was like it just kind of seems like maybe it's more of like a friend vibe since you've been here like he thought I was essentially friend zoning him and he was like that's not my intention like I don't see it that way. Like, wasn't trying to come across as just being friends. And I was like, okay, I just like, wasn't sure. Like, I feel like our communication is a little bit different. So I just wasn't sure

like where your head was at. And he at first seemed like really receptive to my conversation and was like, well, I've never done long distance. Have you like, this is just harder for me. I'm used to like dating someone locally. And I was like was like no like it's different for me too and he said yeah like it's just hard when we basically only text and like don't see each other that often and i was like yeah like that makes sense and he was like i just need to be like more careful about what i'm saying to make you think that and so i was like okay like we're on the same page maybe he just like didn't realize that like he was coming across difference since he came to visit. But then the last text he sent me was like, well, I'm glad I'm cutting off the friend vibe though. That's really cool. And I was like, I'm not trying to say that I look at you as a friend.

I'm definitely interested. That's not what I meant to say. I do still want to see where this goes. I just wasn't sure where your head was at. I'm sorry if it came across incorrectly. want to see where this goes. I just wasn't sure like where your head was at. Like, I'm sorry if it came across like incorrectly. And then he basically just stopped answering from there. And I was like, kind of surprised by it just because I feel like our communication, like up until this point, like was so consistent. And we talked about things like beyond surface level. And so like the next day, so let me hear from him. And I was like, maybe he just needs time to like cool off or whatever. And so a couple from him. And I was like, maybe he just needs time to like cool off or whatever. And so a couple of days later, I was like, still really weird to not hear from him.

So I just tried like one more time. And I was like, hey, again, really sorry for like any miscommunication. But like, I am excited about you and like want to see where this goes. Can we please talk about it? And he never answered. And so at that point, I was like, okay, I'm done with it. Like going to wash my hands of it. Like he's clearly not interested and like not able to at least like have a mature exit

and so a couple months go by and then he started like liking my like instagram post again and i was like okay that's not really like a solid effort here so i just kind of ignored it but it's not when i was zero effort know. I love how real you are. And so then I was in his city, like, visiting my sister. And I posted that I was at this, like, really popular, like, brewery spot in town. And he responded to that story and was like, oh, make sure you try, you know, X beer, whatever he recommended. And I still was like, that's a really weak attempt to try and, like, come and open communication when you just ghosted me like a couple months ago. So I never answered it. I just left it on read. And then like, shortly thereafter, I removed him from my Instagram

follower list. I unfollowed him as well. Like I got into a relationship. And it's like, I don't need all these like failed hinge and bumble matches like on my follower list. So I cleaned that up. I didn't really think about him any further. Once that new relationship had ended, I kind of like took a break from dating from there, redownloaded the apps. And that was probably like a year after I got that DM slide from him. And I saw his profile again. And I was like, okay, like a year, year and a half later, like he's still single. Like, I don't know, seeing him again and like seeing that his profile was still out there and like seemingly still single. I'm just wondering if maybe like now two years later, like could someone mature enough to maybe make it worth it to have another shot or like, would he still be the same? It was just like he was someone I was like excited about because all other things considered, like we seem to align on so many different values and things.

And the way he handled the whole situation just seemed like so out of left field. And like looking back, like the signs of me, like wondering if he wasn't even interested, like I just, we could have handled it so much better. Like I don't even know if it was really him not being interested or me just being insecure and reading too much into stuff Nick's about to give you the best advice that you need to hear

and then once he's done giving you the good advice I'm going to give you the fun advice that you don't need so when they go low we go lower advice? you go first give her the proper advice that she needs right now because yes I already can kind of feel where you're going to go

okay there's just a couple things to consider i think you said something like he's either into me or wants to friend zone me like after you guys hooked you you also you've kept saying a couple times like out of left field like it wasn't really right so very kind of typical you know hookup culture situation that you were in which is you went on a couple of dates, you had a couple of nice times, you had a little bit of sex. And then from that point on, things shifted. And maybe not dramatically, but he basically kind of slow played him backing out. And I saw this, I think I've mentioned this a long time ago i saw this pretty funny stand-up about a guy who talked about you know guys and hookup culture guys don't know they just

want to have sex with you and nothing more until they have sex and realize i'm good i'm good part of that is a subject of hookup culture as i've heard you you've heard probably heard me preach over and over like the sooner you have sex with someone without having a baseline of a connection or emotional connection, the more they're going to focus on the sex and, you know, just put you in terms of how do I feel about sex with this person? Because despite having two or three good dates, you guys don't have much rapport or know much about each other. Right. And so you me, essentially, his behavior changed as soon as you guys had sex. Yeah, he reached out. Yeah, he liked a couple posts. But a lot of times, that's just men trying to make sure that you don't call him an asshole. So it's like, well,

I'll just keep hanging out. I'll keep checking in because, you know, guys don't want to be the like we hooked up and then I never heard from you again. So him reaching out to you is this allowing you not to say you had sex with me and then I never heard from you again. He's like, oh, we talked for a while. We hung out and I messaged you and yada yada. Because to me, that's kind of what it sounds like. And this whole like, well, you reached out to him and then you, you were worried if he was

confused, if he thought you were friend zoning him or vice versa. No, that's just you in your head. Like, listen, he, to me, like he just got in his head about, I think he just lost interest. If you guys hooked up, honestly. That's what it sounds like to me. And it's not even a reflection of you. He doesn't really know you. He just ended up having sex with you. And a lot of guys, once they have sex with someone and they don't know them, it's just they do lose some interest.

They can get it back, but he then started probably internalizing, he probably started making excuses. Well, she does live far away. And then the awkwardness of you being like we're not on the same page what are we he didn't really know and then he probably just was like you know he was responding you just enough to avoid you calling him an asshole is my read on the situation you know he was just trying to save face and the liking of the comments and the you should try this place out was his version of being like, yeah, see, I'm not an asshole. You know, I can tell you where to go to go to get a good beer in my hometown. We're cool. Right. That's him making sure that you two were cool after he ghosted you.'s that's what that was you know i mean that makes sense and it's like definitely a good perspective that i didn't think of like 99 certain that that was the man gives good advice if he wanted you know and so even out of boredom if he wanted to see you again

he could have been like oh you should go here also like what are you doing tomorrow didn't do that and so the question is like in two years can someone mature sure yeah maybe but you're also back to the original version of like he didn't really like you enough to to keep hanging out with you you know listen if you want to shoot your shot again you can but i would have the lowest of expectations and if he is someone that you were like you say excited about, then I, you know, I, I do think, I think we need to have like a Renaissance when it comes to hookup culture. I, I, again, I'm not here to shame people who want to hook up and fuck around, like hook up and fuck around. But I think if you're going to hook up and fuck around, you should do so, uh, with the

lowest expectations of building something emotionally. Because I do think it's very confusing and it's easy to get in your head. And it's, well, we had sex, but this and this. And people are so noncommittal these days. I think the more you can force people to get to know you without having sex on the table, the more certain you are their willingness to actually get to know you and see if they're invested in you. So that's my two cents. Jojo? Okay. Take his advice.

But if you want to have some fun, it's been two years and you're still thinking about the man. Protect your feelings. Go into it. Know that it's... But text him. Just text him. You're're gonna feel so much better after you send the text just do it could you be a fuck boy i guess the question is to her judge's

point could you can you like could you be the fuck boy in this situation could you detach yourself from could you have fun with this and if you're still thinking about him two years later you're gonna be thinking about him three years later you're gonna be thinking about him three years later so you might as well just get the text out of the way or or text him okay you you're i've i've never done this always wanted to text him let him respond see how you're feeling oh my god i'm so sorry i didn't mean to text you wrong number just wrong number him or goes to his ass he goes to your ass you can text him and then not text him back I don't hate that idea so wait you should think she

should send him some obscure text like hey just been thinking about you a lot recently hope you're doing well would love to see you soon let him respond and be like oh shit sorry I didn't mean to send that to you I meant to send that to my friend Jake I don't know.

Interesting. Okay, there's that option. What if she sends something less forward? Yeah, like what if it's like more accidental? What if it's a little more cryptic? Yeah, be like, hey, are you close? Yeah, I was going to say like, hey, we're meeting at this tonight, right?

Yeah. Be like, hey, does seven work? Oh, so sorry. That was for Jake. Yeahake yeah and no you just no not jake it's just another like oh i'm so sorry i asked i'm i'm hanging out with a guy with the same name as you like you know like the whole that's kind of funny it's just it's listen if you if you really want to be with this man and marry this man, and if you really do see a future, then take Nick's advice because that's the serious advice. I'm a lesbian.

Once we start dating, we're married tomorrow. But if you really, okay, so don't go to marriage, but if you do really want to have a future with this dude and want to date him, then take Nick's advice because he doesn't sound like the best man but you're just around for some fun you're going to your sister's town for the weekend just want to have a date no shame in a date no shame in a text a text is a text you can wrong number it you can block him you can ghost him after you don't owe anyone anything that's kind of like my thought is like I'm gonna be in town not this coming weekend but next weekend so I'm like if he was open to it like it could just be a fun way to like go out and have a date or whatever and I think like knowing what I know about him and like what happened like I'm not going into it being super invested and it's like it's not like I have been sitting here

for the last two years like pining over him like it literally is just because I'm like, okay, like I saw his profile. Like I saw him like drive by or whatever. Like I'm just kind of like have that lingering. Oh, what if question mark about that one? But like, if it doesn't work out, I'm just like, okay, at least I could know for sure. Okay. Well, here's another, here's also another idea. No bad idea in brainstorming, you know, just because I love your idea.

It's fun, but you are lying. So there's that. Cause what if because i love your idea it's fun but you are lying so there's that because what if it works out and it's an awkward story about like so there's no jake yeah roll this clip at the wedding uh but i don't like when you said something earlier you said you got to get this out of your vocabulary if he's open to it like that energy you got to get that out of your vocabulary because i guarantee you, you're probably texting shit like that. If you're free, if you're available, whatever, this whole idea, I'm around when you're available energy, you got to stop that shit. So what if next time you're in town with your sister, you send them a, hey, totally random,

but what are you up to? I'm visiting my sister. I literally have nothing you say this to him i i have nothing better to do so i figured i'd hit you up and see what you're doing honestly it's a bit of a like kind of a nag where you're kind of like but then in his head i have i had nothing better to do so i was just seeing what you're doing i know you live here like are you free keep it super casual. We love reverse psychology. And kind of like put them down a little bit.

So it's like, I'm so fucking bored. I had nothing better to do. So I figured, what the hell? I knew you lived around here. I figured I'd see if you wanted to grab like a drink and just keep it so like. Like what do you got to lose? Yeah. But you're just bored as fuck.

The reason you're reaching out to him is because you literally it was like watch paint dry or hit him up and he's better than watching paint dry and that's that's kind of the energy you want to keep for a while even when you hang out with him you're just kind of like yeah i don't know and very non-salon don't bring up the ghosting don't bring up the past you're super super busy. You're hanging out with your sister. Like, I don't know. I was just fucking bored, you know? And then maybe if he brings it up, you could be like, yeah, I know you ghosted. Like, yeah, I mean, it wasn't cool. I just wouldn't get super invested in it.

You could like tease him and be like, yeah, it's a weird thing to have done to someone. But like, whatever, you're over it. You're just more like chilling and then kind of see where it goes. it you're just more like chilling and then kind of see where it goes okay and let him bring up the past or the future you're just there because you're bored and that's what you should tell yourself if you can do that and then maintain that energy with him then i would say yes but you really have to it's not in your nature you're obviously a sweet person you're leading with your heart and you you're probably considerate thoughtful. And so that whole like, you know, making sure he's okay with it and making sure you don't give a shit about him. You don't care if

he's comfortable. You don't care if he's busy. You don't care. Are you available or not? I'm bored. What do you, what's up? You know, it could be you or a lump of clay you know it's just that's the energy you want to give them no i like it i think that's like fitting for the situation so when i send that then like the day i'm in town like not much notice no plan you know you're not reaching out in preparation you know you're not anticipating you're going to be bored it's just more like and then again you know you're running the risk that maybe he's out of town he's not there he's not available but you are open up you know and you know if it but hopefully it bugs him enough where he's like oh you don't hang out with

me you're bored you're just like well yeah but like hey and then you could say well listen obviously i'm here now and then maybe in the future if i'm bored again you know and then see if that opens things up but if it if it doesn't but like you have to be careful that you're not opening up, you're not opening up a door for a fuck boy. Don't just do this once and then let him be the one who reaches out and all of a sudden you realize that you're kind of waiting on him to reach out or wondering if he's going to reach out or shit like that. You got to maintain that like this is a fuck boy who I'm only hanging out with

because I'm bored because I got nothing to do, which there's a lot of truth into it. I'm guessing it's part of the reason why you saw him and yeah, you're wondering and yeah,

you had a good time two years ago, but he did fuck with you and he did ghost you. Yeah. And if you had a better thing to do, if you had a new fling in your life or someone else you're excited about, you would very quickly forget about this guy. So just remember that. So you're not even lying because a lot of

this is coming from a place of boredom. You're just super single right now. You saw him and it's just like, oh, let's give the guy who already ghosted me a shot. And if you had anything else going on, you wouldn't be thinking about this guy. No, that's true. That's a very good point. So I like- And you will have plenty of things going on. I'm not saying you have nothing better going on. You're just kind of in a slow season right now, you know, whatever.

Yeah. So that's what I like. Are we in agreement? Yeah. But just emphasis on like, Oh my God, I'm so bored. Your town is so boring.

What do you guys do here? Like, are you free? Cause I got literally nothing better to do and type. I got literally nothing better to do. And type. I have literally nothing better to do. So I thought I'd hit you up. It's like the smallest town. There really is nothing to do. So that tracks

if I were to reach out and say that. So I like it. All right. Oh, keep us posted. I want to see if this works. When are you going to go visit your sister? Not this weekend, but next weekend. Perfect. All right. We'll follow up in a week.

Good luck. All right. Best of luck. All right. Take care. Okay. Bye. Bye.

You really do give the best relationship advice. Thanks, Jojo. I don't know how you do it. A lot and lots of failure. Yeah. Truly. That's it. Yeah.

Yeah. I've made all these mistakes. Yeah. Done it all the wrong way. And I still get it wrong all the time you know what i'm doing with my own stuff pretty good now though jojo nick it's been just so good to see you again been so good is there anything else you want to get off your chest before i let you go so much that we can't talk about yet but when we can i'll come back all right i can't wait i can't wait to talk about you and then we'll have dinner you can I'll give you whatever relationship advice oh I'm so excited give me like a what is it what's the theme are we is it love triangle is it uh someone likes you more

than you like them the other way around what is it it is I literally don't know I will give you everything and you can read it and tell me what it is oh Oh, read it. That's something I have to read. No, no. Interpret. Read the situation. Yeah, like I will give you the whole picture. Okay. And I'll give you a story that's very non-biased. Like I will just tell you the story.

I don't need to favor me. I don't need to favor her. I don't need to favor the story. I just tell you the story how it happened. Okay. And you'll see what you make of it. I'll cook dinner. Great.

All right, you'll tell the story. Sausage and onions and tomato sauce? No. Oatmeal. Oatmeal and dates? Runny eggs. Jojo, please let my audience know where they can find you. You can find me everywhere.

It's Jojo Siwa. I-T-S-J-O-J-O-S-I-W-A. Pretty easy. I love you. You're amazing. I got you. I'm happy to call you a friend. And it was great talking with you you're the best

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