The Viall Files - E624 Reality Recap with Emma Slater Plus Harry Styles vs. Billy Porter and Snow White’s Ambition

Episode Date: August 15, 2023

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap Edition! We are joined by Emma Slater to break down this week’s episode of The Bachelorette. We first speak with Emma about Dancing With The Stars and cover pop culture topics and celebrities such as Harry Styles, Kevin Costner, and Rachel Zegler. We discuss the Men Tell All drama - from the men posting cryptic messages in their Instagram captions, to Xavier having to confront Charity after their infidelity conversation, to Brayden giving Jesse earrings. We also cover the reveal of our Golden Bachelor Gerry and our initial thoughts of the season.  “It’s hard for me to lean on people, because I feel like a burden.”  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Join us for our new LIVE show on Thursdays at 9PM ET/6PM PT on Amp, available in the Apple app store. Android User? Listen here: https://www.onamp.com/   To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Brooklinen - Use promo code VIALL for $20 off your online purchase of $100 or more plus free shipping on https://www.Brooklinen.com.  IQ Bar - This episode is brought to you by IQBAR. Now get twenty percent off every IQBar product, plus free shipping when you text FILES to sixty four thousand (64-000). Nutrafol - Take the first step to visibly thicker, healthier hair. For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners ten dollars off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you go to https://www.Nutrafol.com and enter the promo code THEVIALLFILES. Quince - Upgrade your closet this summer with Quince. Right now, go to https://www.Quince.com/viall to get free shipping and 365-day returns on your next order. Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @theemmaslater @alison.vandam @dereklanerussell @genevievegoodman

what's going on everybody welcome back to another episode of the vile files reality recap edition i'm your host nick joined by the household of Allie, Genevieve, and Derek. I hope you all had just a fantastic Monday weekend. Not sure when you guys decided to tune in this week to the Vile Files, but welcome one and all. Kiki is behind the desk as well. She wanted a little bit of attention. There we go.

Hi, Kiki. The office dog. She's settled. Are you settled, Kiki? Great. Emma Slater is with us. First time on the show. But we go way back. Yeah, we do. Thanks for having me. We do. We met on Dancing with the Stars. Dancing with the Stars. I remember your rumba.

Six, seven years ago. Yeah, my rumba. That was my best dance ever. I remember it. You did a move in there that I thought I'm going to steal that next time. What move is this? It was a, it's called a cucaracha and you don't know that you did it, but it's, um, it's when you put your hands on your head like that. That's not part of it, but you chose to do that, which I liked.

I did. Yeah. And then you gave us hips and I thought I remembered it. All right. So well done. I did that the last time I did it. Did you do it twice? I did it like three times.

Cause you know how at the end of Dancing with the Stars, after people get eliminated, they have some of the finalists come back to kind of fill in the air time and just redo their best dance? They had me do the rumba, I think, two more times. Really? And it was like the last time that we... Oh, there we go.

Right there. Oh my god! Look, I love that you pulled that up so fast. That wasn't... That wasn't... But like... Oh my god look i love that you pulled that up so fast that wasn't that wasn't but like oh my god nick i was always everyone is touching you that was one of my better dances but i was always so nervous i think you do and it wasn't until we got eliminated where i didn't give a shit that i actually had way more fun and tried more things yes but look at this rumba like that's really amazing i'm gonna have to re-watch this whole dance. I never really watched my dances.

Look at me. I really want to get to the part where you do this thing with your... Oh my God. But I don't think I did it this one. I think I did it at the finale. Oh, okay. Where Peeta and I were outside. Wow.

Look, there it is. There it is. There it is. That's what I'm talking about. You kind of do this thing. Over my head? Wait, where you go over your head. Wait, I think it might be.

I'm in shape there. Look at that. You are in shape. Right, he's about to do it right now. Head. Oh! So you wouldn't go above your head like a swan? If I'm honest, I probably would, but you maybe not.

I just loved it. And I think, look at this dance nick that's incredibly off now this is like a romance novel yeah well that's run before you yeah and um anyways uh yeah i miss dancing with the stars it's such a good time it is such a fun show and people don't realize that like when you get on the show your whole world changes and you know this like it takes over everything like you cannot wake up in the morning without thinking about steps you call your partner your dance partner becomes like your therapist and your chauffeur and your nutritionist and you're like you know everything you offload so much on your partner it's just brilliant so i'm hopefully about to gear up to do another season soon. When you say hopefully, it's like every season.

Yeah. You all like don't know, right? If you're going to be on that season. Yeah. There's more. What do you call yourselves? Pro dancers. Pro dancers.

There's more pros than cast at every season, right? So sometimes people will come back and things like that. So every season it's a bit of a... Yeah, that's basically it. You don't know, huh? We find out, I would say, about four days before the announcement, before everybody else finds out. So it is very, very nerve-wracking getting to that point and thinking,

well, I might be busy for the next three months, I might not be. But it's purely because they do have more spots and it's who's available and who they kind of match with the celebrities. There's a lot that goes into it. Do you anticipate being on it? I think yes, because they asked me to do the tour and to co-host the tour and that's after the show. So you know you're doing the tour? I know I'm doing the tour, yeah. I'm excited about that. That'd be kind of weird if they didn't. I kind of think so.

So, yeah, I think I'm like anticipating it. The tour, of all the times that everyone gets close, imagine the tour, everyone gets super close. Oh, yeah. Is there ever drama that ever happens on tour? Yeah, but mostly with the boys, not the females. How so? Are they like out there just hooking up with

oh god no no it's more like the local i don't know like it's like a sport let's go find a local cha-cha and then kind of what the bachelorette men had in the historically would would do you know they go to their like bar appearances and oh wow well no this is different this is more like and the boys will tell you this themselves it's more like that's my hairdryer like there was an argument one year about a hairdryer and the girls are basically in our room just talking about makeup talking about music you know listening to ted talks and like russell brand because that's my thing and so we just like get on but if one of the boys eats another boy's chicken or you know takes a hair dryer or does something wrong in a dance they generally have you know arguments about it and it

blows over the next day but the girls honestly we just laugh because we just girls just don't do that on tour who did you become closest with it was gabby windy she's my co-host and then also brit brit stewart she's another pro dancer on the show and she's super zen and she's my best friend uh have you spoken with gabby recently since she's made some headlines yeah got a new girlfriend she has um have you met her girlfriend i haven't i'm dying to meet her. So I spoke to Gabby beforehand. So she had told me about Robbie and I was just super thrilled and happy in the way that she such a sweet, very conscious girl. I just have so much respect for her. And so I'm really glad that she's found the path that she's on and she's found someone that she's having this incredible relationship with. That's amazing. How's your love life going there is none honestly i i would love i have visions of a guy walking into my life that is um and i don't know if i should say this because this is like way like too much information but you love too much information you know when you just think oh i i

see like a tall guy with like maybe i don't know why blue eyes and maybe british or someone like that very specific but i don't know why that's coming to my head tall blue eyes british what color is his hair like blonde and i've never i don't know a guy like that the exact opposite of your ex of my ex but but that's good but it's got nothing to do with sash because so sash i i absolutely love and i think he's gorgeous and i just have so much respect for him but it's more of a i just i just see this this vision like this this vision and i don't know where that's coming from as you mentioned sasha you're going through a divorce divorces are difficult and challenging and emotional i'm sure there are a lot of things what's been the hardest part for you uh you speak still highly of sasha oh yeah you guys are both in the public light so

to speak so what has that been like and has it been a challenge to try to maintain a level of so the ability yeah i thought you were gonna say silliness silliness silliness. Is it hard to still? But what is that? I mean, and what advice do you have to anyone who, you know, might be going through a divorce? And it sounds like just not to hopefully not put words in your mouth, but like you guys sounds like you just kind of came to the realization that, well, there might be a lot of mutual respect or isn't necessarily the love that is required to maintain a marriage going forward. So how do you guys maintain that or and i don't want to put words in your mouth like what what has that been like and

you know what advice would you have for someone to who might be going through a similar situation that wants to get through the divorce but still amicably but obviously that can be triggering because emotions are still you know i'm assuming high. What's that been like? I mean, first thing is, I think having a relationship in the public eye is so hard. And it's really difficult when you're trying to navigate how you feel. And you're trying to keep that respect for your relationship when everybody has an opinion. And of course, they do because you are public and you are on TV together. So it is really difficult. And so I would recommend that privacy is something that I really, really value. And I think moving forward, that's something I'm going to try to keep

with my partner, but it is difficult and it's very emotional. So with Sasha, we're still like family. So it isn't even really that the love is not there. It's actually not that at all. We're just potentially in two different places. But the hard part was that the love actually didn't go. And it's, you know, we still have that. So it's like really weird to navigate that because it can be very confusing about how you actually feel. And we're still very, very much in the thick of that or kind of the thick of that. So it's really

confusing. But my advice for people that are going through it is I don't know if I can really give the best advice. It's just your lived experience. Yeah. Right. I would say reach out to people who you think, oh no, they're too busy with their own lives. They're not really there to help me. People do want to be there for you and lean on your friends. Because though it's hard for me to really lean on people because I feel like a burden, but it really does help. And at the end of the day, that shared connection that you'll have with the people that are

there for you, they want to be there for you. And it will only get stronger and brighter. And you'll only feel better about the situation because you won't feel alone. And it's really horrible to feel like you're going through this really heavy, life changing situation when you feel alone. Yeah, well, that's great advice. Are you able to share like when you mentioned like you guys were at different stages of your life? It almost sounds like where were you guys guys what was the difference it's really the kid thing and which seems very interesting because i do want to have kids

i just don't want to delay sasha's path in having kids because i think i know that he is just he is ready for that i don't want to talk about him too much because that's really for him to say but it's about kids but But I do want kids. I just, I don't know what it is. I'm kind of figuring that out for myself. Sure, that's a big step in people's lives. Oh yeah. And it's not something that I take politely

and I don't want to enter into something that I'm not sure about because I just would never do that. So that's why. Is that something, just because we talk a lot about relationships on the show and i really appreciate your willingness to kind of have this discussion because i know it's not always easy but if you could like go back in time yeah because we all

we all make mistakes we learn from them would you have done anything different when it comes to the conversations that you two had about kids or is that something that wouldn't be possible knowing that how things kind of evolved over time in your relationship? Does that make sense? Yes. It's the second one. So if there's nothing really that I would have changed because that's, I was really true to myself. That was exactly how I felt in the time. And we did have discussions about kids. This situation has been very much me kind of feeling like a resistance in life and not knowing what that is and why I'm feeling it and then coming to terms with that in the

last few years. And so that's been the real friction and that's been the real hard part. So it really had nothing to do with him and he's always been very much himself. It's really me that's been the person that has just found it difficult to understand why am I suddenly feeling different why it's not even it wasn't even a sudden thing it was like a gradual thing and something I had to just deal with but when it doesn't come on so quick then it's almost like harder to deal with because then you push it back you know the feeling of not being ready to have kids it gets kind of like pushed back and then you kind of have to address it when you get closer to the time that you

discussed having kids. Yeah, no, it can be a challenge and obviously societal pressures, you know, can be a challenge and everyone has an opinion and obviously being in the public, I'm sure makes it even harder. It makes it so hard. It makes it so hard. Well, thanks for being willing to talk about it. You know, you can just be yourself. You're welcome. Speaking of kids in Disney movies, have you been following the Snow White drama? No.

Well, Disney has been doing a lot of live-action remakes. They had The Little Mermaid. Nothing new. Nothing new. Just the remakes. Yeah. Well, when you say live-action remakes, you think they're just redoing the story which in

most cases they have been the little mermaid yeah came out this year it was phenomenal i haven't seen it but heard great things oh my gosh the lead is she's just so amazing she loves the role so much she's really you know taking on the responsibility um but not everyone is yeah she's like an ariel fan kids kids will think that she's actually Ariel. And there's videos of her picking them up and hugging them. Is it Ariel or Ariel? The same with Ariana and Ariel. Oh, yeah, yeah.

It's like, ugh. Ariel is the hardest name for me to say. It's Ariel. And I have a hard name. Ariel. We have to stop naming people Ariel, Ariana. Unless we can all agree on one pronunciation for the rest of time but yeah loves the character ariel just embraces it yeah not so much like her

disney colleague colleague sister in crime um rachel zegler who like is playing snow white who apparently just fucking hates the character really yes It's been going on for a few weeks now, but it really hit news when Gal Gadot, who's playing the Wicked Stepmother, and Rachel, who's playing Snow White, kind of gave a sneak peek about how Snow White is no longer going to be saved by the prince. And everyone's just kind of like,

wait, is this Snow White? Is this not Snow White? Oh, really? And then recently, can you play the clip, Derek, about her talking about the prince itself? The original cartoon came out in 1937, and very evidently so. There is a big focus on her love story with a guy who literally stalks her. Yeah. Weird.

Weird. Super weird. So we didn't do that this time. She talks about love as if it's such a negative thing. Weird. So we didn't do that this time. She talks about love as if it's such a negative thing. Right. It's a fairy tale. It starts with once upon a time and usually ends with and they lived happily ever after. Like those are like aren't the two most important beats. And she lived happily ever

after in her uptown studio apartment. And she was empowered happily ever after for the rest of time. It's just like, when did love become a negative thing? And when it comes to like fairy tales. Right, but she can also fall in love with a guy. That would be fine. I guess not. She's been speaking.

She doesn't think so. And now we're calling the prince a stalker. I mean, come on. Weird. Weird. I love, for example, I love the movie The Notebook. I do. Oh, it's so beautiful.

Well, I mean, it's a great movie. But when you break it down, as we often do when we're talking about relationships, technically Noah and Allie were like kind of toxic people. And like, right. Right. But this is a fairy tale for kids to watch. And like if I got casted like in some like local play as Noah, like you don't talk shit about the character. You know, I think.

Yeah, exactly. I think that I probably wouldn't have chose those words and inflicted it the way she did potentially. Like, you know, I don't think it's weird in 1937 that there was this fairy tale and that she went off with the prince at the end. And like, I remember watching Snow White as a kid. I also just love the setting. I love the fact that she was with the dwarves. I love everything about it. You know, in the Disney movies where all the animals get involved. That's great. I think it being for kids, that's the thing you want. I think the love is what you want. I know that there's a lot of representation for what happiness looks like now, but sometimes it's nice to keep

those nostalgic things as they were. But I don't think it was a bad thing i never saw it that the i never saw it that what's his name what's the prince's name i think it's just prince just the prince i never saw it that the prince was stalking her he was like trying to find her looking looking for caring to keep her safe he probably saw her and was like she's beautiful i want to find her i would like a guy to do that for me right now i mean but like we're kind of we're like going way overboard like but seriously and it's like if this is a message we're sending we're getting to the place where it's well i don't want to be called creepy i don't want to right i don't want to right it's like right we're not going to have anyone pursue anyone for

fear of like now oh the prince was stalking snow white i mean come on no he no he wasn't like it's a movie it's a character how else are they supposed to like fairy tales are literally meant to be a way to teach young children about adult issues that's like kind of the point of fairy tales so they oversimplify like adult issues in a in a in Mm hmm. moments when your kids are watching fairy tales to talk about how people treat one another and the villain and and love and and now it's just like just make some other movie just don't make snow maybe that's what should happen maybe it wasn't snow white that needed to be rearranged in that way but i don't know because i mean i we could see it and it could be oh you know what that's a really great change but maybe there's some there's a different type of fairy tale that that we could write you know yeah and i say we not me because i'm not a writer but how is snow emma and nick productions productions i mean according to rachel she was like we wrote

a different movie so i don't know if rachel's also not on that script girl listen i i appreciate her honesty i yeah is it is it? yeah she's co-writing it oh I do like her I love her and it just surprises me that she I don't know is writing love out of the yeah I mean I'm sure it wasn't her I'm sure she has a lot less liberty

than we think Snow White is the original feature full length movie for Disney oh I didn't know that now it's Snow White is the original feature full length movie for Disney. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. And now it's Snow White and magical creatures. Oh, really? So, I mean, we could watch it and it could be like, maybe it's just the way Rachel is talking about it.

Maybe we could watch it. Well, she says she's not going to be saved by the prince. How the fuck is she going to wake up? No, that's Sleeping Beauty. No, Snow White is woken up by a kiss. They're all woken up by a kiss. Wait, what? saved by the prince how the fuck is she gonna wake up no that's sleeping beauty no no white is woken up by a kiss wait what she's like she takes a bite of the apple that looks like she's in a beauty who takes a bite of the apple no sleeping beauty pricks her finger i know it's complicated but so sleeping beauty pricks her finger and falls asleep snow white eats a bite

out of the poisonous apple also falls asleep. Well, Snow White's kind of dead. She's literally in a coffin. It's basically Jesus Christ. She turns into Jesus. Well, Jesus doesn't get kissed by a fair maiden and wake up. So I guess it'll be kind of like that. I'm just going to roll the stone.

I wonder how she wakes up then. Ambition. Drive. Like her just drive. She'll just pop up and she'll just be like, I wasn't ready. I wasn't ready, but now I am. She gets a call that she's on Forbes 30 under 30 and she just like comes out. Like the matriarchy will wake her up. Imagine in the movie she sees

the apple and she's like, I'm not hungry. Just throws it away. I don't need to eat. A retelling of Adam and Eve. That's really what they're doing. Where Eve doesn't eat the apple. Oh yeah. There you go. Okay, now I see what they're doing. Oh. Where Eve doesn't eat the apple. Yeah. Oh, yeah. There you go. Okay, now I see what they're on to. I believe in this movie. Is there an Adam and Eve?

No, this might be a really stupid thing to say. Is there an Adam and Eve movie? I wouldn't be surprised. I don't know. There has to be. Is there? Yeah. I mean, we got a variety of options that are pulling up here between ones that look like

something you'd wear to a frat party as a costume and one entitled The Sin that looks very serious This one's called The Forbidden Fruit We need a good Adam and Eve movie Yeah Like a live action Adam and Eve

What about this one? National Love Goods The Sin of Adam and Eve This one looks serious I love this one? National Love Foods. Something modern. The Sin of Adam and Eve. That looks... This one looks serious. Oh, this one? Oh, my God. We do have a lot of options.

They're on Tubi. Wow. Okay. Well, that's that then. We need a modern one, though. We need a modern... Yeah. Modern...

A new idea. Is that Adam and Eve meet cannibals? Oh, yeah. Adam and Eve meet the cannibals. 1984. But they're the only people alive people alive yeah i thought they were so that's the plot they were the first non-cannibals god banishes adam and eve from the garden of eden because eve decides to eat a forbidden fruit the disgraced couple finds themselves fighting

other humans including the cannibalistic kuzaman wow it's not historically accurate that's not historically accurate yeah they they need a different factor at 10 oh yeah i wouldn't watch that well i don't know if adam and eve is historically accurate either oh sorry not trigger warning sorry true no true it's a creative interpretation of the text is based on. Although I heard that they actually did an experiment of like, if you took a rib out of someone, like in a lab, could you use the cells from someone to clone them to like make another human being? Well, they're getting very close to that. This is what I'm hearing.

Maybe. Have you seen, there's a documentary about a Korean scientist that is cl cloning i think french bulldogs this was just a clip that i saw and i started to watch it and i think i got um distracted but i think it's on netflix or something like that yeah all about cloning i can't remember what it's called really insightful yeah scary stuff yeah that is scary yeah you know the world could use another emma like would you um well i have a twin. Did you know that? Yes. An identical twin?

And she's so much better than me in every single way. Can we bring up Emma's twin? Yeah. Emma Slater twin, Google? Her name is Kelly. She's not identical. Kelly Slater. Kelly Slater.

Is that? Why does that sound like? The surfer. Right? Look, there we are. I mean, no surprise. Beautiful. She is beautiful.

We're not identical. She is beautiful. What is she up to these days? Oh, she's living in England. Okay. She's a seamstress. She's living in England. She's a seamstress.

That's such a cool job. Why does seamstress... Yeah, it sounds so old-fashioned and cool. And working in a flower shop. She loves it. Iconic. She's like a traditional woman. Is she making...

What is she making she does really well with making she makes corsets she makes everything but she she worked a long time in like bridal couture and she makes the dresses and i mean like high end stuff like red carpet very expensive bridal wear she's really good at the i i think she's really good at the corset part like the boning and everything. She does all of that. Was she ever a dancer like yourself? She did for a year.

And I remember we used to have like matching skirts and we did like a little jive section together and she was good. She just didn't, I love it as much as I did. And so she kind of stopped about a year into it, but she's great. Literally the funniest. We laugh at the same things and people around us just do not get it.

It's like that kind of twin friendship. And it's like you look so similar, clearly not identical, but also like. Do we? I mean, in that picture I'm looking at, you look very similar. Yeah. Gosh, that was years ago. You guys look like almost identical twins. Yeah.

But I'm assuming that some people think like i grew up with friends that were twins they weren't identical but they were also like so fucking similar that most people thought they were identical but technically they weren't nobody thought that we were identical because also when i was in school i had brunette hair because that's my natural color so we looked she completely different. And she's a natural blonde. Well, yeah, she's naturally lighter and she took to more of the blonde. So in school, she was blonde and I was brunette. And I have brown eyes and she has blue eyes.

So we look completely different. Also, she was just like really popular. Like everybody wanted to be with her. And I was kind of like, I guess, funny. But I was more popular. I was, I guess, funny. Funny I was more popular. I was, I guess, funny. Funny. To just like kind of roll with it.

I was popular. Some guy told me once, oh, you're only popular because you're Kelly's sister. And I remember that. It's the things that hurt that you remember. So I don't even remember who the guy was. Have you overcome this? I don't know, Nick. It's going to take a lot of therapy.

But yeah, I've overcome that because you get into TV and then people say much meaner stuff to you. That is true. Than that. So yeah, you got to have thick skin. When I was first on TV, I was like, my nose is fucked up. Like, wow. Don't you pick yourself apart when you watch yourself on TV? Well, it's not you, but yeah, you're just like.

Your nose is not fucked up, by the way. No, thank you. But yes, the internet will enlighten you. Yeah. On some of your. Yeah. You know. Yeah.

Perceived shortcomings. Oh, absolutely. You're like. Yeah. Wow. And out of all of the comments, they could all be like, lovely, lovely, lovely. But if there's one person that's like, she doesn't finish dance moves her hair's really rats taily or i don't like her voice it's annoying i that's what i will hold on to i've gotten all that they say that last one

i mean that's just wrong um your voice you have an amazing accent and voice i yeah i have had that but thank you that's really sweet yeah. Yeah. The other ones, sure. For sure. You definitely don't finish your dances. I don't. No, I don't. I'm like, God, I need to be better at that. Yeah, what does that mean?

Well, I feel like I know what it means. It just, I'm not, I don't know. I can see when I watch, I'm like, oh, they think that I just didn't finish that arm. So when you finish your arm, Nick, you know, you go all the way to the end with lots of energy. Maybe a couple of times. Nick learned that. You got some asshole who took one ballroom class on the internet critiquing your arms.

But it's funny. Like, you know, you see it and then I start thinking, oh, you know, I didn't do that right. Or maybe my voice is a bit weird. And it is weird. I get it. It's a lovely voice. Thank you. That's really sweet. British. British. Does your sister lovely voice. Thank you. That's really sweet. British. British.

Does your sister sound the same as you? She sounds, yes, very similar. Yeah. I would say even more British. Oh. Yeah. I have never dated someone with an accent. I imagine it would be wonderful until you got into a fight with them and then you would get annoyed i think

at the accent yeah i feel like you were being yelled at by someone with a different accent than you and being like criticized in a relationship like you never like i'd be like you know like no is that your attempt at the accent yeah yeah give us a British accent nick say my name is nick and you're listening to... Hello, I'm from London. London. Honestly, I will say when British people are drunk or angry or

excited, I think you get the best version of their accent. So you might be more impressed. If you're in an argument with a British person, I'm not saying me, but you might actually find yourself either laughing or being impressed. It's not that it wouldn't be impressive. It's just that if you're in an argument with a british person i'm not saying me but you might actually find yourself either laughing or being impressed it's not that it wouldn't be impressive it's just that if you were in a fight it becomes something that you can just choose to get mad at you know oh yeah like you're just like like mockery i hate your voice or just you know it's just like you sound ridiculous

yes like yeah you sound like a love islander yeah it's like no it'd be like uh stassi on banner pump season one and when she's like you would just be like what are you saying spoiled oh yeah so you'd be like i can't understand your british accent or when you would say something what is a word that you say that a lot of americans can't understand water what i'd be like water water do you want some water? Every time I order a water, the person that I'm with, they never get it first. But the person that's serving me will always ask me to repeat what I said. And then the person I'm with will usually, whoever that is, will normally just say it in an American accent. Can you say oil? Oil.

Okay. Yeah. Aluminum. Aluminium. Yeah. Aluminum. Aluminium. Yeah. Aluminium. Aluminium. Well, people from the South say oil.

Oil. The South hate, like. Like if you're from the South, like Alabama, they don't say oil. They say oil. Oil? Literally. Like they swallow it. Oil.

Yeah. If you ever meet Natalie, you can ask her to say oil. Where's she from? Alabama. That's really nice. Wow. Oh, I ask her to say lawyer. Where's she from? Alabama. That's really nice. Wow. Oh, I could listen to that accent.

Lawyer is also a fun one for the South. They say like layer. Liar. Really? They just like, they don't finish. Liar. Speaking. True.

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Who's that? Back on the market. Taylor Swift. Should we set you up with Joe? We should set you up with Taylor Swift. Oh my God. Wow, that does sound like her type. I really want them to get back together. I heard they are. I'm That does sound like her type. I really want them to get back together. I heard they are.

I'm a little bit delusional. Someone said that after five months of them not being together, that they rumor has it that they're back together. I've seen the rumors too. And she's done. Did she follow him back? She doesn't follow anyone on Instagram. Well, did her friends follow him back?

Because didn't she have her friends unfollowed Joel? Do you want to date Joe? I'm not. Oh, she's like, oh. He's lovely. He's so many loves. Watch out, Taylor. I like him in that picture. Yeah, he's not what I had in mind.

Oh, wow. That's a long time ago. Is that him? I was going to say, he looks like a baby. I know, he does look like a boy in that one. No, he does have a baby face. She also sings about that a lot. He's actually not my type.

Like, just so you know. Oh, he's lovely there. He's actually, like, my type is just so you know oh he's lovely there he's actually like my type is not blonde with the blue eyes and tall i just for some reason just have like a craving vision craving evan has a craving but we'll work on it i'll keep i'll keep thinking because i want him to get back together with taylor anyway they seem like a nice couple yeah they were a nice couple she's she's killing it right now she is thriving

did you go to the tour I didn't and I'm not even a Swifty but I think I might be now like just through just social interactions on the internet I think I just

I should have gone to the Ears tour and I missed it well you still can it's not over and it's going international not in LA but yeah

she's going to the UK how many more like domestic she's coming back for a few Just three more where are they Miami, New Orleans And Indianapolis So she's for the most part

Almost done and then she's Doing spot dates right Well now she has her international leg Oh oh oh Oh yeah go to an international place what else we got going on genevieve speaking of you know snow white fairy tales a fairy tale that i think should come true is kids having money and getting what they are this is what nick's been talking about for a long time and i don't i don't think it was spurred because it happened to close together.

But, you know, we were just talking about the Lil Tay situation last week. The death hoax. Did you see that? No. Where have I been? The little rapper. The child influencer. It was posted on her account that both she and her brother had passed away.

And then it came out that it was a hoax. Oh, I saw that first thing. I didn't know it was a hoax. A day before this all came out she changed the little bio on her youtube channel to help me like the whole thing is like really crazy like we're like hoping that authorities are getting involved because i'm worried oh it has to yeah she's a minor so she had changed bio on her youtube channel help me how many people like how many people subscribe to her channel?

The thing is, she was 9 when she was peak popularity. Now she's 14. So people don't know who manages her accounts, what's happening. It's an uncomfortable situation. Oh, it still helped me. I hope the authorities, honestly, are getting involved. How many subscribers?

About 230,000 subscribers. Help me. that is harrowing the way that was written with just nothing else full stop at the end but it's sad because obviously she was so young that she wasn't like videotaping herself and posting these videos you know her parents were encouraging this and then they realized they could monetize it and then they were encouraging it more i'm sure she was getting a lot of Internet hate, which is like so terrible to get at such a young age. Really, they didn't care that much. But you see a lot of like children nowadays, you know, parents profiting off of their children on social media.

And so next year, child influencers can sue if earnings aren't set aside for them. Their parents. I think that's amazing. And that's a law in Illinois. I think that, yeah, I think. Their parents. I think that's amazing. And that's a law in Illinois. Yeah, I think that's fair. I think that's fair. Absolutely. Because if something like this is happening,

I'm really invested now in what's going on there because that is horrible to see. It's weird because it's appropriate and fair. Just the internet is such a terrible thing. It's just ruining society because this needs to have happened because there are so many, I think, unfortunately, kids. I think in some cases you could argue it's abuse and parents not thinking of what's best for their kids. And in some of these cases, you could have parents or families just like scraping by,

then all of a sudden they find out their kid is a cash cow and they try to justify it because it's like helping feed the family. But these conditions or kids being forced to do all this sucks. But unfortunately, this will also create other problems where this will be used in situations where it shouldn't be used, right? Because anyone can sue anyone for anything, so to speak now. And now what I've been saying,

it's not the necessarily the influencers, but like, think about all the parents out there who are just posting their kids, having fun, everyone's having a good time and then you know fast forward some drama happens a family where some 17 year old kid or 16 if they want to and had a falling out with mom and dad could just go back and sue their parents because not because they made money or that they were influencers but like that's still like their intellectual property. Right. You know, like, hey, mom, you didn't have my permission to post my, me singing happy birthday and having what I now deem as an embarrassment, embarrassing moment at nine. You didn't have my permission to post that. We don't know how we're going to respond to how we've been acting on the internet 10 years from

now, 10, 15 years from now. We all just got this tool. We started using it. And I think we're fully unaware of what the consequences are going to be. Imagine any politician running for office 20 years from now, growing up on social media, being a teenager on social media. You know, all the crazy shit that you just don't think about, you know? I mean, if I were a teenager with social media, I would, I like to think I was a pretty fucking

good kid. I was a rule follower, you know, but like you just, you do stupid shit, you know? And that is, as they say, the internet is written in ink, not pencil, but it's there forever. And parents, you know, want to post about their kids and have fun with their kids and do all these things. And in most cases, I think it's going to be just fine. But you're creating a situation now where kids can now sue their parents. And in a lot of cases, it's protecting some very innocent and kids who are being taken advantage of. In other cases,

I think it's going to create a lot of family family drama and like weird situations i don't know it's good it's going to be wild i don't know ah i see that i see i think though um what you were saying about set aside funds like if a parent has made money from from kids their kids maybe that is a good rule to have but you know i'm still probably when i have kids like i'm gonna keep some things private but i'm probably still gonna want to post pictures of us all together like having that's the thing too yeah like you know nally and i were pregnant now you guys asked us last week how do we want to like what's the decision to like do we share our kids face things like that or protect their anonymity? And like, we don't really know the answer to that, but like, just to think it's,

you do have to think about those things. And even if you're not in the public eye, that's kind of my point is that everyone is going to have to start thinking about this, because I think this is an example of how society is adjusting to social media and going back and saying, wait, what are we doing? We haven't been protecting these kids for the past 15, 20 years. Yeah. But this is a reaction to society. And I think this is going to only evolve in terms of proper etiquette of posting, posting

kids, posting your own kids, who has the right to do that? Who owns that intellectual IP? Is it the kids? Is it the parents? It's kind of a wild insight to, I think, the future. Yeah. I don't know about social media. I think there's so much trouble that it causes. Sometimes when you have those breaks where it's just a week off don't you find that you're really happy and that gives you so much peace that to me is amazing yeah it's good yeah i feel like so grateful that i have a younger sister who's five years younger and so like the way that we grew up with social media is so different and i just feel like i cannot feel more grateful that i grew up in a time where like we had iPod touches and like that was, you know, such a rarity and like a flip phone.

And it took like 10 years to text someone. So half the time you're like, oh, right. Hold on. I can't do this. I want to figure out how to keep social media away from my kid as long as possible. I mean, you're basically having these apps raise your kids you know these algorithms are raising your kids right you know how do you teach your kid your values and principles when they go on the internet and have access to all these opinions and all these thoughts and like if your kid's on a phone constantly scrolling through TikTok, you're not raising your kid. TikTok is. It's just that simple. That's true. And that's fucking terrifying out there. That sit there and try to think, I'm going to teach my kid this and I want to teach them these values. Good luck if

they're on their phone constantly scrolling through TikTok and learning about God knows what. Right. It's crazy to me everyone you know that that the social experiment that documentary on netflix every person who's ever created something on social media doesn't let their kids go on social media really yeah and they're all i've watched that yeah the documentary yeah and they were just like do your kids have phones or access to the internet they're like fuck no oh wow because it's because they see the studies about what happens to the brain when you grow up with that or when you spend an hour doing that versus an hour of walking outside. Something else that's been on the internet that we've been covering a lot is Kevin Costner's

divorce. I'm so invested for no reason. We have an update. I don't even follow this man's career, but I have been following this man's divorce. When he gets divorced, it's always a big deal. Yes. There's been something new every single week. And this might not seem- Is she still living in the pool house? I think so. Is she still in Hawaii with his friend?

No, no, no. She left Hawaii. And then she, remember, she moved into his guest house. No, no, no. Not his guest house. She hired movers to like- Move into the house where they're like- The staff.

Staff lives in. She displaced the staff of their house. And now she's in the she's in the pool house. Yeah, I guess. Oh, yeah. Oh, I think it's a big pool house. Yeah. Like the guest house.

Probably. Yeah. Yeah. If you have a pool house, it's probably nice. But the headline of this new development about this, and this might not seem like a big deal, but just wait for it, is Kevin Costner goes for solo drive in New Land Rover amid contentious divorce. And the first sentence of the article is Kevin Costner is flaunting his wealth amid his costly divorce.

That's the thing. The news is all headlines these days. All that matters is the headline. People don't read articles. Our news cycle is just headlines. It doesn't even matter usually the headline doesn't even match the article it's just clickbait this one doesn't and i'm really glad i read that i read this article because then it says the oscar winners lawyers filed new legal documents

this week asking if the handbag designer comprehended what she signed and then quote christine asserts she cannot admit or deny that she understood the premarital agreement because she and apparently all of her attorneys do not understand the word understand. And so they came back to Kevin's lawyers and they were like, well, what does the word understand mean? And his lawyers sent back like the dictionary. The lawyers are making so much money. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

But it's not really it's not really obviously like she understands what the word understand means, but it's more like how they meant it. Right. In that language, I'm assuming is what she's talking about. I just would love to be like a partner at one of their law firms and like go up to all the associates in their cubicles and be like, someone get me the definition of understand now. I feel like there must be like a divorce going on between the divorce attorneys, too, because now they're just like being cheeky with each other. Oh, this is ridiculous. The fact that they did it like that, they were like, well, you can tell. Lawyer. Marine. Also, like, is a Defender Land Rover super nice and expensive car?

But as far as a celebrity go, I wouldn't say that's how they would flaunt their wealth. I think that that's a that's a massive clickbait. Yeah, because, I mean, it doesn't look brand new. I mean, I don't know if it is. It's a little dirty, if I'm being honest, yeah. I mean, I wouldn't say he's flaunting, would you? Well, they said a luxe white vehicle. Ooh, luxe.

They think it's a fancy car. It is. It's a beautiful car. I actually want one. I want one really bad. And I think it's not not cheap it's very pricey but like i would be more shocked i think if i mean that's kind of what i expected him to be in i wouldn't say it's like not kevin costner i would be more shocked if he was in like a beat-up subaru

or minivan yeah subaru is great but like you know just because he's kevin costner i just i think that would be more shocking to me needs Needs a wash, though. Team Kev. Team Kev. Yeah, tough to get a white car in general. Yeah, I know. I would love a white car. I think they look so nice.

Are you a Harry Styles fan? Yeah, I am. I really like his music. Me too. I'm a big Harry Styles fan. You know who isn't a Harry Styles fan? Who? Billy Porter.

Why? I don't know if it's not that he's not a harry styles fan so harry styles was on the cover of vogue he's been on the cover many times and he's usually in kind of a more feminine outfit um or dress right yes yes which has you know been criticized by many someone like billy porter is saying that you know harry styles is white he's look at that headline damn yeah wow he's incredibly famous and protected and something like this isn't like a risk for him as it would be for someone else are you talking about harry or billy yeah for harry for harry because he's you know he's white he's attractive celebrated. Yeah, yeah. And it kind of sometimes comes across that Harry is doing this for...

Clout. Yeah. But isn't that a very dangerous suggestion? Because how do we even know about what Harry Styles does behind closed doors or his sexuality? I think, hasn't he been fairly non-committal to what his preferences are? Yes. But that's kind of the point that he hasn't really said. And so to some, it can seem like he's profiting off of this while also maybe not even being part of that community. To me, this looks like a long way of Billy Porter saying,

it should have been me on the cover i don't know i feel like harry styles definitely has a right to maybe i'm wrong but a right to not talk about the things his sexuality doesn't want to talk about it do you know what i mean like if you don't i don't think he i don't think he necessarily need and maybe he doesn't know so so i don't think he necessarily needs to announce that for everyone and And I know people feel entitled to an answer, but what if he just wants to make music and just be this really great, awesome guy, which I've heard he's lovely.

And also feel comfortable wearing more feminine stuff. I think he looks great. Yeah. Absolutely. Because they always talk about gender and sexuality being a spectrum. As a straight heterosexual man myself, I have, I think, feminine characteristics and I enjoy what are often perceived as more feminine things rather than the more masculine activities. And maybe that's where Harry falls, where it's just like, maybe it's just me feeling

more comfortable, you know, expressing himself through what are perceived to be you know socially more feminine things like maybe fucking likes wearing dresses or like maybe you know or wearing more feminine clothes i don't know and maybe that's where he falls on this what people call a spectrum when it comes to what is masculine or feminine or what is more appropriate for women or men and maybe it doesn't have to do do with who he's getting in bed with, so to speak, but it has to do with more his comfort level, how he expresses himself. Right. Who did Harry hurt

by being the first male on the cover of Vogue? I felt like he did a lot of good. And it's not going to please everyone, sure. And it doesn't please Billy Porter, but I feel like he would have been fine if he was just on the cover. I think Billy just wants to be on the cover. He probably wants to be on the cover, yeah.

And he's just going after Anne. Read this headline. Oh, it says, Billy Porter slams Harry Styles' Vogue cover again, calls Anna Wintour a bitch. I don't think that's a good way for him to... Oh, he said he's apologizing. After previously apologizing for his initial comments

he went back and said that yeah I love Harry's outfits I know I saw now that the love on tour is over someone did like all of the outfits that he wore during the two years we love you Harry he's the type

of person that I put on like Spotify first thing in the morning is Harry's like as it was is still a banger yeah like i put that on straight getting the shower and i'm listening to that and it's like oh it's so good i'm hopeful for new music now that the tour is over yeah and i'm hopeful for songs that i don. I don't think that's a hot take. To want songs that bash Olivia? I just need more information on the relationship. I don't understand. I thought it was a PR stunt the entire time. Did you?

And now I'm starting to doubt that because it was so long. And then he got the tattoo. I don't think that was a PR stunt. I don't know why. I guess not. I don't think that was a PR stunt. I just get that impression that that was a pr stunt i i just get that impression that that was like totally real i um we'll just never know i think some relationships

in the public eye like most things i think things aren't often mutually exclusive i think two things can be true at the same time i think you can have relationships that start in the public eye where if the people are being honest which they've've rarely ever are. I love, you know, little teaser to men tell all. I'm just a huge Brayden fan at this point because like he does, he does keep it real. And I loved what he was talking about when he was just articulating when he was making that point. It was just like you guys editing yourselves by not swearing is an example of you guys not being your true selves. And I just decided to be my truest self. As we always talk to them on the show, if you are your truest of self, the people

who are truly are the truest of selves. And they're usually in a household of people who are afraid to be the truest selves. They're afraid of being disliked. They're afraid of not being in their best behavior. And so what happens when you have people like brayden they basically give the editors just all the juice and ammunition to like carve out whatever edit they want and like take their sarcasm and turn it into something that's portrayed as evil or disingenuous meanwhile the people who are often disingenuous are praised for being unproblematic and gentlemen and bullshit like that case in point at the end when all of that came out about the, you know, the guys putting those initials at the end of their tweet. And Brayden was the only person

that actually said something to him. I had so much respect for him at that point. But yeah, getting back- And then they got mad at him. They were like, why did you have to say something? Yeah, that one person that was like, well, it wouldn't be a thing if hadn't said it. And I'm like,

hang on. Wait, what? That was Xavier. Yeah. I thought Xavier, I really liked him overall, but that was more like Xavier.

You're basically promoting being dishonest and shady and, and saying, well, if you didn't know it wouldn't have hurt you. That mentality is what people that that's a cheaters mentality, which is, I didn't want to tell you cause I didn't want to hurt your feelings and if i didn't you know as if like that's who you're protecting right that was an l for xavier gray fell from grace a little bit

yes yeah what are we talking about before we brought this up harry styles and olivia wilde yeah bullshit relationships and so what i mean by that is i think you know i think like anything when you meet someone and you're kind of going through is i think you know i think like anything when you meet someone and you're kind of going through pros and cons of like should i like give this a shot yeah you know and i think you can still have an attraction for someone like them think they're cool yeah and funny and the back of your mind realize it like well it's also like wouldn't feel like fucking like bad for my brand and shit and like so i think it could be both i think there's a lot of relationships that start in bachelor nation like that that start in you know just a general public in movies

and i think they can there can actually be a genuine interest and a mutually beneficial yeah kind of you know public thing so i think the harry and olivia could have been both where they actually you to that point you don't date that long and just fake it the whole time right now but at the same time you know for example a lot of bachelor relationships every bachelor relationship that ever ends publicly ended three or four months before before right and there's always a fear of coming out there's a pressure you know sometimes there's afraid of like sometimes couples will stick together because like they booked like a fucking campaign or a deal and they're like, we got to fucking like ride this out.

And so they will stay together publicly, cash in their chips and then break up, which people can criticize that all they want. But like, I don't know, it's sometimes hard to truly be honest with yourself. Right. And I just think it can be both for press and also in a lot of cases, genuine and real. And I think those can often overlap and cloud the picture. I agree. I think it's not like a clean thing when you're having a relationship that's also in the public eye. So different to know, a regular relationship that doesn't have people

having an opinion every two cents. I think it would be so much less pressure to have a relationship outside of that. Yeah. I also wonder if they, you know, we're seeing all the comments like, this is a PR relationship. We're just hating them together.

They were like, well, fuck you. We're going to stay together two fucking years. Could be that too. We're going to get a fucking tattoo. get a fucking tattoo i'm also just jealous it could be well that's the thing harry unfortunately for harry and i don't i think it's different for women i think because i did i don't feel like as many people hated joe joel sorry joe joel joe is it joe who's joel who are we talking about i don't's Joel? Who are we talking about? I don't know. Exactly. Joe. Who are we talking about? I thought it was Irwin. Alwyn. Alwyn.

Whatever the fuck. Taylor's boyfriend. Taylor's ex-boyfriend. Joe Alwyn. His evil twin. Joe Alwyn, is it? Joe Alwyn. Okay.

Well, anyways. I literally didn't know who we were talking about for a second. Joel Irwin, though. There's somebody out there called Joel Irwin, bitch. He's just Taylor's ex to me, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he didn't get all that much hate. And I just feel like when it

comes to harry's audience is mostly women right is that safe to say yeah i guess i don't know that i mean genevieve literally just admitted it's because she's jealous right yeah and so no matter who harry dates is unfortunately for that person it's going to be hell oh yeah i do not envy that the girl that he's been seen with recently i don't think it's been getting as much hate i i agree because it's not like official yet you know because it's not like it's all speculation circumstances around olivia were also just so strange like she was his director that was like kind of a weird and then there were all the rumors like she wasn't really doing her job because she was like forfeiting directing to like hang out with him in his trailer it was just all like very messy at the end of the day i would say 98 of that hate and thank you for being honest in a view

comes from a place of it should have been me yeah yes not her yes you know and it's so easy to pick apart somebody and say something like oh she's neglecting her job which is probably like really not true i don't know but like it's likely that she's not she just happens to have half an hour where she really doesn't do anything so she might have gone to his trailer just to hang out with also who wouldn't who wouldn't right exactly exactly it's just it's so hard i would right yeah fuck the movie and harry fucking styles naked in a trailer just kidding i mean i don't know that he in. If the trailer's rocking, don't come knocking. That's what they say. I would like

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i was like yeah even more oh yeah last night's episode was like, do you still want me to be with Brayden? I was like, yeah, even more. Oh, yeah. Last night's episode, yes, absolutely. Yeah, we've changed our tune. We're team Brayden. He's the only one I'm interested in getting to know and hanging out with. I still want to talk to Xavier. I find him to be overall interesting.

For sure. Obviously, he took a couple L's. I thought overall he handled himself well this episode. How much of that was his most honest self versus like this all, this is what it needs to be said. Yeah. Like who uses denounce in a normal sentence? I denounce cheating. I denounce cheating.

Well, it was almost. Oh, he, that was prepared. He kind of had to say that because he clearly did not denounce it last week. No. Where it was like, well, listen, like, are we married? Like, and this is going to be in this situation or like in this scenario where I'm not supposed to cheat on you. Like, how much do we like each other?

Yeah. You know, like that was basically Xavier. It's just like, well, like we've been dating for three months, two months. Are we engaged? Married? Like, do we have kids? Like, I don't know. You know?

And now he's just like, I denounce cheating in any form. There can be so many things that are like misleading in edits so like some part of me sometimes questions but there was clearly a lot of sentences that came out xavier and their last date that i was like oh that's like not really what charity's gonna want to hear at this point like it doesn't seem like he was ready i didn't get the vibe that he was ready at all and what i liked brayden i'm going to bring it back to brayden what i like brayden for was because he was like hey i'm not ready and she would repeat things back to him that he said and he's like yeah that's right and because he's told her everything so

i thought my opinion was and i didn't honestly know if this was an unpopular opinion or a popular opinion because i didn't know how you guys felt about brayden i didn't actually look at other people's feelings on brayden but when i watched the whole season i was thinking he's the least evil villain that they've had don't you think because he i don't know maybe i'm out of line yes yes he's misunderstood that's how most that's how they get most of their villains it's not because their villain ever does anything serious it's because they go against the fucking grain of the bachelor in fact as the house is always the bully the bachelor itself in a way like gaslights their audience into thinking they're supposed to be okay with

shit they would not normally be okay with right when in the world do we ever go up to someone and like criticize them for saying things like i don't know if i'm ready to get engaged in eight weeks right that's what i was thinking that to me is okay to say if that's how you feel and then you know maybe he said a little bit too much to the boys you know locker room talk. And that's not good, obviously. But for the most part, I thought he was being pretty honest. So I caught myself thinking, did I miss something?

I think the boys, just the other guys in the house or the other guys that were there, didn't just really take to him being outside of the grave all those other guys expose themselves as being not totally honest and not totally themselves kind of bullies yeah you know that whole like fuck pete thing that's so juvenile i know that's some high school bullshit and like to think that they're out there doing it and he honestly he should do what ariana did with the fuck me in this t-shirt and make a fuck pete t-shirt he should make t-shirts people will buy that you should be a marketing expert i'll email him if you're not yeah yeah and then i'll text brayden but that is quite honestly

that is that is more the norm you know and brayden he he revealed another kind of hidden secret of of the bachelor household which is like this idea where people constantly they're so fucking two-faced they will be friends to your face yeah and they'll be in your room and you'll think they're best friends my first season on andy season i thought i was friends with everyone only to go back and watch it and like granted a couple times like like with brayden like i had a couple people just out of nowhere come at me but you go out and watch it back and it wasn't out of nowhere yeah but they are just like two-faced and talking shit behind your back every season people will do this they will admit off camera that they're like oh man like you know how it works it's just like it's

just the show man like i just was doing you know they will be the ones who will blame it on the show and they say like oh i just like kind of had to do it know they will be the ones who will blame it on the show and they say like oh i just like kind of had to do it while they're accusing the person of being there for the wrong reasons being disingenuous being fake and and to justify their actions to that person offline they will almost always say oh man like you just like you know how it is like man like i just i was just kind of doing what i was supposed to and like you know we're cool right right that shit happens every fucking season right and it was kind of clear when he said oh like tanner you and when i like i like tanner but he was like tanner you and i were like roommates in that and that's like kind of

interesting to hear because he probably had no idea that all this was happening and then also i kind of picked up on is it john really nice guy like super cute he said oh i he had braden's back like from he was defending him for like the first you know good chunk of the season and i thought i actually really like john and i kind of trust his character because he seemed like a very very nice guy john is the one where the football player yeah that's what i was thinking about yeah like really really sweet guy but he was the one who's mad at brayden at the end because he was mad because he got interrupted but until and and really i think it wasn't even a massive uh well i don't know maybe it was but like brayden was like i thought your conversation conversation finished. I think that was a thing. But up until then, he had said on the mental all that, oh, I had your back.

And I thought, oh, I quite like that because I trusted for some reason. I really like that guy. And so I trusted his opinion. And I think it's interesting because imagine trying to have that situation happens on the show. You try to have, let's say, a one-on-one conversation with Brayden on the bus. And then you just have the whole house angry behind you. If you don't have the strength to kind of remove yourself from the situation that's being put on you, and if you don't have that strength to think, no, that's actually not how I feel. I think you should always try to defend the person that needs compassion in that moment. Even if Brayden's

really being completely know completely disrespectful you've still got to give him the time to like explain and to hear you like there's no sense like shouting it out i just don't get that i think every season of the bachelor bachelorette there is bullying that goes on and it always comes from the house and i think this social media thing where it was this fp kind of thing that mentality the reason why these guys felt compelled to do that is because it was the same behavior that they were having on the show and they all feel justified for it because in that world they're being told that they're right they're being told that they're standing up for like the sanctity of the bachelorette well because like

maybe this peak i joked about making t-shirts or whatever these all all these guys went in there hoping they could get followers and hoping they could make money and monetize their experience like they are full of shit if they're going to pin that on some other guy again you don't get to criticize someone for what they claim to say about social media if you have a social media platform right right if you don't and i would if i was charity i would be disgusted at that behavior i would be disgusted like i would just think if you don't have the balls to really go you know what i'm not a bully i don't do that that's that's something that that crosses a line for me weirdly

like the leads usually fall into it because it's not i don't it's like it's not any one person it's just that mob mentality because like you know charity kind of leaned in throughout the season of like tweeting at brayden about like well you know what you should have signed up for you know as if like brayden knew what it was going to get be like and again i'm not blaming any one person but it you know like with xavier when you think about it in real life context you know like he didn't handle himself obviously very well in that discussion. And he said a lot of things that make it seem like one. I just don't think Xavier is ready to get engaged, period. And I'm sure he had a lot of respect for Charity.

And I think he really cared about her. But I don't think he ever really thought he was ready to get engaged to Charity. Right. You know, and I think that's ultimately why he left because Xavier is clearly not stupid. Yeah. In fact, you could argue incredibly smart. He knows how to talk. He knows how to articulate himself.

And so it's just not an accident that he handled himself so poorly because I think deep down he knew this isn't my person. But at the same time, think about it. Regardless of what we think of xavier being unfaithful to whatever past girlfriend like he doesn't owe anyone including bachelor nation to or charity to come on that show and publicly put out his dirty laundry about maybe something that happened a year ago that's a lot to ask for someone was he wrong for cheating on this person sure it was he was totally wrong and i hope he learned from that lesson whoever you hurt but like even cherry is like

i should have you should have told me right away and i get where charity is coming from it's charity's journey let's apply that to like the real life situation xavier is supposed to come on this show having known charity for two weeks not sure how charity feels about him compare the rest of the other guys and then just like expose himself right and open himself up for criticism so listen everyone who now meets xavier in public whether they knew him before or not is gonna be like is gonna know what he did no it's really and it's a lot to like put on yourself and it's a lot so to criticize xavier for waiting until he was sure about his feelings for charity and

before he wanted to publicly on national television expose that self and open himself up to criticism is a lot to fucking ask anyone. You know? And so I get where charity is coming from. But at the same time, realistically, I don't think we can sit there and criticize xavier for not showing up on the bachelorette and be like just you know i cheated on my past girlfriend and i've done this and i need to make sure i'm honest with charity about it like it makes sense that he needed to at least wait to make sure this was someone he was you know wanted to really fight for yeah i i

definitely um i definitely felt for him yesterday when he was talking about i found it really difficult and i've gone into therapy and you know i just feel that um i feel like everybody deserves a bit of compassion and you could tell that that was a really hard thing for him to go through and he probably would have preferred to have not done that on national tv and just the situation that he's in where he has to, I can imagine he was kind of, you know, you have to do this. You have to do it here at this point. That's really rough. And so, yeah.

What do we think of Sean jumping up? Sean, he's so insufferable. The peace sign. Wait, did he do a peace sign? He's just like, ugh. Like when they went around to all the guys and they were like, and Sean. I swear he like held up a peace sign wait did he do a peace he's just like like when they went around to all the guys yeah we're like and sean i swear he like held up a peace sign i was a little confused when he got the rose at the end that i know that he got did you see he got a rose given to him from captain

tom captain tom is that his name okay so i remember that captain tom was he was a good character on that new orleans date i liked him very much. Captain Tom. Yeah. I thought he should be a recurring role for sure. Absolutely. I mean, honestly, and I just love that he's like showing up with his like camo top. I love Tom. He doesn't know Charity's name. Yeah. Chastity.

Jesse, you've seen Charity. Charity. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Chastity. We're saying the same thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm really, this is going to be one of the more kind of, I hate to say it, but like, what are the stakes for the remaining hour of the season?

She's not picking Joey. We know this, right? Like. That's what I think. I think she's going to go Dutton. Yeah. And I. It's so obvious.

I would be heart eyes if that happened because I just love him. Yeah. Holy cow. He's great his family but there's no stakes it's just like why are they gonna make it dramatic i do think that she likes joey very much and you know it's the crying when she leaves him that makes me go okay so that like i can tell that she likes him she respects him do you reckon that's just it i don't know if you if you're crying like if you're holding someone you're crying at the end maybe she's crying

because it's like i don't want to hurt you maybe she ends up with him we don't know but to me i was like i feel that she's attached to him to joey i don't you don't think so at all but you've been in this so you kind of know how that goes. But don't you think you could be in love with two people? Me? I don't think that actually. You don't think that she could be in? I think you can be infatuated and I think you can be attracted and I think you can have chemistry with two people.

I think you can have a connection with two people. But my version of love, and that's just everyone's version of love is different, is to have one, I don't think you can be in love when you are confused or unsure about other people's feelings for you i don't think you can be mutually in love if you don't have a strong emotional connection and have the security of knowing that the person across the table from you knows some of your shortcomings accepts who you are except some of your faults and things like that that's just not possible in that environment and i certainly don't think it's possible with multiple people but i certainly think you can have strong feelings and infatuation and and feel a connection with

joey i just think i see a lot of mutual respect you know and i think joey's been brought forward to be their next bachelor oh i see i see i see i've just i'm not seeing it how about when darton said um that he came on the show and didn't realize it ended in proposal? I believe that. Yeah. I believe that too. Well, because he was like laughing about it. And I was like, oh, this guy is so able to just share that because he clearly feels differently

now. And he clearly is. I thought that was just like heartwarming. Yeah. I mean, it seems like they hopefully, you know, Dotton and Charity seem like they have a great strong foundation. And, you know, again, while they might have to take a leap of faith because they still will have a lot to learn about each other. Right.

They seem like they have a good, healthy approach. And Dotton, I think in general, the success or the failure, fair or unfair, really comes down to how the winner handles it. Whether it's the bachelor or bachelorette, regardless of what season it is on, I think the winner, whoever wins, they play the biggest role on whether that relationship will have success. And what I mean by that is, let's assume that, for argument's sake, that every couple that

ends, and this isn't the case, that every couple that ends, and this isn't the case, but every couple that ends and gets engaged is compatible and has a chance to make it work. But as we know, life can happen and things can come in between love and maybe there was a lot of love there, but should happen and you weren't able to work through it. That's not the case. Usually you find out that they weren't compatible, but we have some interests that maybe we're just two different people. But that's the same for argument's sake.

There is a lot of compatibility. It's so hard for the winner to be okay with things that they're not supposed to be okay with. The bachelorette or the bachelor, the show itself is that thing, right? And again, you kind of have this kind of gaslit mentality where you're on men tell all women tell all being like hey man like everyone like one of the guys in the tell all was just like we see charity making out with all the dudes so like you shouldn't let it bother you and it's like when you say that out loud it sounds fucking insane as if like brayden's not supposed to like have a hard time with a woman he's developing feelings with making out with a bunch of other guys but because she's making out with multiple guys that's supposed to make it easier like what and what fucking planet right right but because none of these

guys don't actually have a connection with charity and they're kind of off the show where they're in that bubble it's easier to say but the winner the winner when the show's over they're in the real world right you know they're trying to make a real relationship work in the real world where they're no longer sharing the lead. They're no longer going on group dates. They no longer go on a one-on-one date and have to be okay with the next day, that same person going out with someone else. They're trying to start a real relationship, but then they have to watch it back and they have to watch all the time, whether real or not, or whether played up or not. That like, I imagine, assuming Dotton and Charity are together, I would imagine if they watch it as a couple together, it's going to be very difficult to watch back her interaction with Xavier.

Just how much he seemingly cared about whether he did cheat or not. Right. Or just playing it up. Like Xavier still being, having feelings for Charity and asking about it as if like they're, you playing it up like xavier still being having feelings for charity and asking about it as if like they're you know like jesse and he's just doing his job but teasing the possibility is there still feelings there is there still an unspoken connection and every time the winner has to like experience stuff like that not to mention that every season people pick teams right we all pick teams i'm team xavier i'm team jo. I'm team Don. I'm team whatever the fuck. And it doesn't matter if like

60 or 70% of Bachelor Nation is team Dotton. To your point, you only hear the negative. Right. So Dotton's going to hear about how people will make videos. I'm sure there's out there videos of Joey and Charity's love story because some super fan who identified that Joey was their favorite and loved Joey and maybe Charity's perceived relationship with Joey remind them of their past relationship with someone else or someone they have a crush in made this like 60 second, like the best moments of Charity and Joey and put a love track behind it. Now it's floating on the internet. And imagine like Dotton being sent that on the heels of a fight, maybe with

Charity, because I don't know, like it's just difficult to do. And what I mean by that is so the more the winner can have grace for the lead, which is hard to do, right? And the leads out there promoting the show and they're out there being the star of the show. And then the winner is usually often kind of alienated by their peers because they're the winner. And they can't really, they're not supposed to share if they want or not. So they kind of just separate themselves. Meanwhile, they see all their peers having fun, joking around, talking about going to paradise or not going to paradise, yada, yada, yada. And they start feeling like they're on an island.

And so it's just very difficult for the winner to enjoy the experience of being in love. And I know they're not even supposed to be called the winner and things like that. I don't even know that when you say the winner, I'm like, wait, which one is he talking about? So whoever wins. And so it's such a hard position to be in to win because you're just really put on an island and you're supposed to and then you're asked to be okay with so many things that you would normally not be okay with while your relationship is starting yeah and so you really have to be level-headed you have to let things roll off your sleeve you're asked to be okay with things that you just quite honestly shouldn't be okay with like you have to really be the bigger person and quite honestly dotton seems like the type of guy who might be capable of doing all these things that is required

of the quote-unquote winner to like get over this hurdle because the next six months are so hard for whatever couple right ends up being together do you think that the bachelor um gets couples therapy for the people for the lead and the person that when uh if they do it's not something they would normally do that they had they didn't do it when i was in that okay and i do believe that they have drastically improved some of the mental health available to castmates um i think they have this thing called like aftercare and i think i've mentioned this before but being an alumni of the show even though i'm several years removed i'm pretty sure i could call a number and say hey i'm struggling with my mental health as a result of my experience on reality tv and they would they would see you i think they would set me struggling with my mental health as a result of my experience on reality TV. And they would-

They would see you. I think they would set me up as a mental health professional. That being said, I don't believe that like a couples therapist is assigned to the couple as an option for them to use if they want to use that.

Okay. Because there's a lot that you have to navigate after that. Oh, yeah. To everything that you just said, you then have to then, even for Charity and for whoever is the Bachelor or Bachelorette, you're coming off of this show that was revolved all around you and having all of these guys and then navigating like a new relationship with someone that you haven't really known for that like that's just a lot of intense feelings but i will say i think charity handled herself so well probably one of the best that i've seen i just i tell our just overall i think overall i think overall charity handled herself great um i know that she uh she is she a therapist she is yeah yeah i i could see she communicated like really well.

I was impressed. I don't know if that's a popular opinion or not, but... No, I think so. I think overall she's... I mean, we've been very entertained, but I've been entertained by her, what I perceive is to be her authenticity. That's it.

That's what I'm impressed by. Which I don't know if she likes our commentary, so to speak. so to speak oh really well in the sense that like i think she hasn't always played the role of therapist right i think she's been at times quote-unquote messy yeah like you know it was messy for her to give brayden the first impression rose when her brother was like literally like he's not your guy that's to me charity leading with authenticity and her heart and kind of saying this is my journey i'm gonna like dive in and into my feelings yeah and then i'll think about my choices after the fact and maybe i'll get through these you know the xavier type of like storyline but like at times she was willing to be messy and kind of go after guys

that she was drawn to which maybe charity the therapist would have stepped in hey charity i'm kind of talking to herself you know this might not look good you know and you might get heat for this but i think she was authentic and opened herself up for any type of criticism yeah i would have crumpled which i really enjoyed uh watching absolutely i just think there's a lot of intense emotions going on there. And I just, I would not do well. So I had a lot of respect for her. But like, just being strong and just coping with all of that.

It's not an easy position to be in. Totally, totally not easy at all. But also like, maybe her choices have led to a more boring ending because she has been able to weed out her bad actors sooner than later. Because it would have been better for the story for Xavier to go all the way to number two. Does she pick the cheater or does she pick the safer option? Right. You know, like now that Xavier's gone gone i don't buy a joey connection right i don't see that and if xavier was still there there would be this big storyline is charity

gonna like go back to her like old habits of going next to someone who reminds going back to someone who reminds her of an ex is she gonna believe xavier is she gonna give him the better than the doubt or is she going to like choose a new path and I you know we had that last week yeah but now like that was like the last remaining storyline and now like they're throwing like is she gonna like send Aaron home or yeah of course we know she's gonna send Aaron home

they left us on a cliffhanger is so that they have nothing else for the finale suddenly we're back up to three and that's like I think it's just we're not no I guarantee she sends Aaron home within the first few minutes of the episode but it's gonna have more people intrigued than if

it was just the two of them well you can tell because on all of the spoilers like the you know don't miss next week coming up Aaron's only in the one outfit like he's in this navy blue suit and I was watching specifically I was like let's see if he's in more than one outfit like he's in this navy blue suit and i know it was watching specifically i was like let's see if he's in more than one outfit then he sticks around for more

than one occasion yeah no and he was in one they're gonna open up the episode they're gonna replay the drama that they ended with two weeks ago to her remind us yeah and we'll have to watch the same fucking shit for like the first five minutes and then charity is gonna pretend to act conflicted and she's gonna say a bunch of nice things. But at the end of the day, what's just gonna happen is she's gonna sit him down and she's gonna go, Aaron, again, I'm like, I'm just so glad you showed up and I just, I have been thinking about you

and you are a great guy and I really have been torn. However. Yes. I just feel like these other relationships have just reached a point where they've moved along too far and with only a week left in this whole process and again, engagement around the corner, I just feel like it wouldn't be fair to you.

Yeah, exactly. Almost verbatim. Yeah. That's what she's going to say. But he got a nice trip out of it. He's in Fiji. Did he though?

Like is, I hope he gets to hang out there truly because he basically, he was, he is six six whatever foot tall and he was probably stuck in a middle seat for like a 17 hour flight to fucking fiji it was yeah that's a long flight i actually yeah i hope he was allowed to hang out there and chill out i hope they didn't send him back i mean if i was if that was me i'd be be like, yeah, I got to stick around for like a week. He might have, because typically speaking, they like to keep the final four throughout the end. So if you don't make final four, you just kind of get home.

You go home when you're out. But if you're final four, they tend to keep you. And then you basically just get to do a lot of cool shit for the next two or three weeks. Why do they do that? Like just in case? Spoiler purposes. Oh, yeah. i guess you know see someone flying home so yeah it's just like if you didn't make the final four they're not really worried about like worrying if uh say sean one no one's worried no one's thinking sean one right but you know if hometowns are hard to hide right they're

in the public so every hometown is usually, there's pictures and videos and clips of being like, oh my God, that's Charity and Xavier in fucking our hometown. And they'll take videos. So it's impossible if you want to find out who's in the final four to not find out because that's just all over the place.

So they keep those people kind of hidden. They'll kind of usually be kind of quarantined, so to speak. So they keep those people kind of hidden. They'll kind of usually be kind of quarantined, so to speak. So they'll probably keep Aaron. Did Aaron then go not of his own back because obviously

they were like, you know, we'll get you a flight. You're going to come to Fiji. But would Aaron have gone to Fiji anyway? No, they would have just kept Xavier.

Oh, okay. Because we saw Aaron at home. Remember he had the sword? Yeah, he had his jersey above the wall. Yeah, he had the samurai sword. So. Because we saw Aaron at home. Remember he had the sword? Yeah, he had his jersey on the wall. Yeah, he had the samurai sword.

So he was legit packing up at home unless that was like an insane hotel that had a samurai sword. But yeah, to that point, maybe they didn't keep,

maybe they sent him home or they did that with the final three. I don't think it's the same. That makes sense that they keep them though. Sad if you're like genuinely sad

by being sent home and then you have to like suffer in a hotel room. Just stay there and think about everything. About your friends and family. Yeah. Look out your window and you see them together. But you sometimes get to do cool shit.

I mean, if I was in Fiji? Like excursions? Yeah, they might, yeah. Aw. Yeah. That's so nice. They might let Aaron hang out at whatever hotel in Fiji they're hanging out with,

and you probably can walk around the compound and yeah probably take about and do some cool stuff with they'll have like a handler assigned to them and wow that's such a different different dynamic from dancing with the stars oh my god yeah it's a different different dynamic whatsoever you went straight from one into another right and was that by the end of it all were you like no more reality tv or well it was such a different i mean reality i didn't even consider dancing with the stars reality tv i will say so we had uh vinnie guanonino that came onto the show last um season and uh he he at first was very kind of like skeptical like what's going on he thought that the wardrobe was going to try to sabotage him yeah he was looking for ways in which the production was kind of setting him up for failure it's actually not like that at all it's quite this is what i'm

told from outsiders that uh people that come on dance with stars it's quite wholesome they want they do want people to win they do want they want people to be lifted up they want to celebrate you you know if even if you get out there and you get like a four or a five like scored by the judges at the end of the day it's not about it's not poking fun it's not exposing people it's more about well if you know you commit we're gonna love you anyway it's like that yeah so he it was for him vinny was like oh it took me a few weeks to realize that the show wasn't out to get me. And I was like, no, it's not. No, it's really weird that way.

I had a very similar experience. But yeah, they might make a couple jokes, but they're not really trying to make anyone look bad. No, yeah. I hadn't done reality TV since Dancing with the Stars before I went. I did Special Forces, that new Fox show. Oh, yes, yeah. How was that? Well, it was incredible and in the most

insane way it was insane it was like you know i can't talk about adrenaline stuff right it was outrageous in the most outrageous way but i get to your you asked me if you know why i even chose to go on it you know like when i did dancing with Stars, I felt like this was the first show I have a chance to do where I have a chance to like be proud of the experience. Yes. You know? Yeah. And it wasn't until Special Forces came around where my reason for going was, I don't know how this is going to go. I don't know what it's going to be like, but I have a chance to be proud of this experience. I have an opportunity

to do something and challenge myself and work towards something that I would otherwise not have a chance to do. And I have a chance to see what I could do. And I'll always remember that experience. And Dancing with the Stars off that experience. And it's the same with kind of special forces, unlike these other shows like Jersey Shore or Vanderpump or Bachelor, where it's like, it's certainly an opportunity. And, you know, certainly I'm grateful for everything I've done, but I wouldn't, I've never been proud of that experience. Right. You know, it's not something I wear as a badge of honor. Right. No, I understand.

I don't regret it, but like Dance of the Stars, in some ways I had a sense of pride. Absolutely. It was Special Forces. I did like have some moments for like i thought to myself i'm proud that i even tried you know i'm proud that i did that you know and so uh it's rare that those opportunities in reality tv come along but yeah dancing with the stars was it's like comical just how different that experience is between yeah because the the producers aren't trying to the drama of dancing with the Stars is already there.

It's the dancing. The dancing is the potential drama. Like, can they do it? Can they not do it? Same with like Special Forces. The drama was putting like 14 public figures in the most insane atmosphere and seeing if they could survive it. Right.

Like they didn't have to do anything to create more drama. It just naturally it happens it's already there with what the show is uh and so that was kind of refreshing and it made it way more enjoyable although like i didn't really i can't say i enjoyed the experience in special forces well i've seen those um i've seen those trailers i actually haven't seen an episode but i've seen what they do on there i couldn't do it i could not do it you know i saw one thing where somebody drove a car into water and they get in submerged and you have to like get out well yeah i don't know if i'm cut out for that i know there's training i bet

you could i didn't train for it i can't i would not bungee jump i would bungee jumping there's no okay great bungee jumping is more of an adrenaline sport. So the things they do in special forces are actual, like they're not just like making shit up and calling it like, this is what we do in the military. They are, they are actually, it's an actual simulation of like special forces training. So the things that they have you do do,

like there's a lot of height stuff. I'm just saying like bungee jumping, there's no practical used to that used to that you're not gonna bungee jump on a mission correct there's a lot of things you're doing with heights but it's not actual bungee jumping like is it more air is it airplane stuff or no it it's a lot of repelling and going down there's a ton of heights and i can't do that there's just but there's just actually no bungee jumping i can't but everything they're doing is an actual application to real real military training okay yeah i don't know i mean i i i would i'd give it a go but like that it was submerging under the water and doing all that and then if it if there was any way like falling you know that's that's that's a lot of fear for me well the whole

show is about overcoming yeah well i'm all right in my box okay uh i don't know it's not even worth doing predictions dot and obviously is gonna win the big question all we have left to find out is like where are they now kind of thing and we won't find out anything from the finale because even if they are happy we won't find out if they're not like it's like crazy really is that what it is like they won't ever really say most what about that what about peter peter webber's one well that that was unique and different but even like when vanessa and i came out in afr we were both criticized and applauded at the same time for we were kind of like yeah we've it's been hard for, we were kind of like, yeah, we've, it's been hard.

Yeah. Like we, we kind of acknowledge that. I think some people were surprised by that. I've heard so many stories of couples like screaming and arguing at each other between like going from Jimmy Kimmel to AFR and just like, it's just such a difficult situation to be in that I would say most couples go into AFR not in a good spot. And it's mostly fighting and not getting along. It's just because it's such a shitty situation to try to navigate.

Yeah, well, they just watched the entire season together for the first time probably. And it's a lot of like, you know, a week off of like talking about fantasy suites and what happened during overnights and like saying i love charity told three people she loved them yeah yeah it's a lot to deal with hard if it's dotten to just be like yeah no it's just a show and that in charity she's gonna have to tell dot and at some point listen there were things i had to do that i really wouldn't have wanted to do and it's gonna sound to sound like a cop out to Dotton. And it's just a tough situation to navigate. So few couples are going into AFR actually happy. Yeah, I can imagine.

Like, you know, it is not how you want to start a relationship. No, not at all. And I think that there's a lot of journeying that you would need to do as a person to be able to deal with that. I wouldn't be able to, I would not work well in that situation. But I do feel like Dotton and Charity could be two people who actually navigate it well. He seems very calm. What a beautiful presence, like amazing energy.

He seems like sometimes somebody who is so kind of like calm and compassionate, like the way that I feel like he is, sometimes they don't have like enough about him. He has enough about him. Like he laughs. He like kind of makes fun of her in a certain way, which I love. They were talking about the salamanders at the end of the episode. I kind of like love that. I loved his family. Like he's definitely got he I'm such a big fan of his, but he also seems to be really mature and can separate things. But I guess I don't know him. I just see him. Yeah, we don't. We're guessing. But he does come across as someone who is able to prioritize more meaningful things and able to recognize things that might be triggering for him, but ultimately decide, is this really important for me to care about?

Which obviously comes from a place of maturity. He does come across as extremely mature. And that's the characteristic of the quote unquote winners that is needed. The ability to say, okay, yeah, that's annoying, but does it really matter? Does it really matter? Do I really care? Do I have a right to be mad? Yes. Do I need to bring this up and quote unquote defend myself or stand up for ourself? Because again, there's so many things that can be triggering, but like, is it important for my relationship with charity? Right. Is it going to bring us close together or is it going to tear us further

apart? And deep down, am I going to ask a question because I'm upset that I really need an answer to, or do I already know the answer? The answer being like, she's charity was put in this impossible situation, but at the same time, Dotton has a right to feel a certain way about it. And it's going to be his ability to self-regulate and say, you know what? I'm just going to empathize with Charity. I'm going to recognize that she was in a very difficult position. If I were in a position where it's so hard for someone in Dotton's shoes to put himself in Char shoes because until you're in that position it's just impossible to like imagine right but this is all

to say I think Dotton seems like the type of guy who can do it but what if it's not him what if it's Joey it's not Joey I don't know I mean I do think it's Dotton and I want it to be Dotton how much I'm down 50k I'll bet 50k oh my god

another 50k wait you can bet on the outcome I'm sure you can oh I thought you did I made a fake bet to the audience and claim who who was it about what was I wrong about well love is blind love is blind oh is love is blind oh yes yeah Chelsea and um Kwame Kwame how they were never they weren't gonna get married yeah and they were never gonna weren't going to get married. And they were never going to be together. Yeah. They're still married.

Oh look at that. Way off. Yeah. 50k. Did you pay up? I mean like in my head. I didn't really who was I supposed to pay?

Yeah. Yourself. Yeah. Yourself. No 50k. Yeah. I'll bet I bet my fake 50k and Joey's your next bachelor.

Do we think we're going to get any Paradise trailers next week? Well, we know Brayden's there. Oh, yeah. There's no way as a production they are not going to post that. Also, we didn't speak about Gary, but we can get there if you want. Yeah, let's get there. Let's wrap up with Gary.

Gary, I was blown away because we saw that trailer at the Mentel Hall about him losing his wife, his first wife. I think her name was Vicky. And I was in tears. I've never been in tears watching a Bachelor trailer. What the first, the very first like, hey, my name is. I cry really easily. I love that about you.

I cry during things that are happy make me cry me too me too not sad moments it's happy moments and not that this was a happy moment but the way gary spoke about his love was happy was beautiful and those are those are for me tearjerker i just i was so uh shocked that this man was talking in the way that he was and that he also is now ready to find a new type of love for the rest of his life. That to me was like, there's no way I wasn't. I'm not rooting for him. There's no way I'm not going to watch. I just loved the guy.

I thought he was just amazing. So we haven't had any spoilers on the women that they're going to have for the Golden Bachelor, right? Well, they're still filming. Other than potentially, you know, Matt James, who was the Bachelor. Yeah. There have been questions of if Matt James' mom was going to go on the show. And Matt and Rachel Perconal have done some interviews of like, I don't know if she's on it, but it would be great if she is. And so I was like, I feel like if, how do you not know?

I don't know Gary's type. But Matt's mom and Gary... Do we have a picture of those two? I feel like they... Patty James? Oh, is that her name? Or her best friend Patty? How old is Patty?

I could see that. They're both tall. Yeah, totally. Yeah. You know? This is... Guys, I could not be more excited for this I think she's 67

she's 6 what or 68 67 or 68 oh I thought you said she's 6 feet 7 I'm like no she's not yeah

yeah yeah let's go I think her and Gary for sure let's go Patty James Patty James she's gonna turn up she looks like a glass

of wine yeah she looks happy she looks like a glass of wine. Yeah. She looks happy. She looks like she's in a restaurant or potentially on a cruise right there. Yeah. Oh, Matt's the best. What a great guy. So if she goes on the show, I wonder what's the age range going to be for all of the women on there?

I don't think they're going to do it, but I wanted them to cast like a... Young? Young, do you see? Yes, a couple like, you know, 40 year olds, you know. That would be interesting. You know, and then he would have to find out. Maybe throw in a 35 year old there just to shake it up. And real messy too. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

This is going to be so interesting. I think they're going to lean into the whole of them. I just hope that a contestant from the season goes to Paradise. There's not a separate Paradise. They just go on. What? Wait, so then we would need someone younger. We would need like a 45-year-old woman to then go to Paradise.

You can't send a 70-year-old to go make out with the twins. I bet Brayden would date the 50-year-old. Brayden would make out with her. Brayden would make out with her. What do we do? The Golden Cruise. And we send everybody from the Golden Bachelor sort of like, you know, age range. They go on a cruise. It's okay.

Just you heard it here first. It's not paradise because we already have that. That's a separate thing. It's the Golden Cruise. And everybody goes and we film them and they sort of like mingle i'm telling you this is a show and i know why it's a show because people are going to check into this golden bachelor like people that have maybe just dropped off the franchise in the last few years they're you know they're too busy watching love is blind or love island or too hot to handle i reckon they're coming back for this. So why not put them all on a cruise,

give them a good time, take them around the Bahamas and film some love. I am curious. Imagine seeing people go back to the cabins. That's hot. I mean, they always talk about how like in old, in retirement homes, that syphilis is just rampant.

Just because older people are like, fuck condoms. And they're just fucking like crazy. Well, you get a new lease on life yeah here and you just want to you want to start enjoying things and you know life's too short you're not worrying about shit anymore you know i'm interesting to see that what does what does love as a journey look like for a 71 year old versus like a 25 year old or 30 year old or something like that you does what does love as a journey look like for a 71 year old versus like a 25 year old or 30 year old or something like that you know what i mean like he's gonna he's gonna be different in the questions he was different when jesse was asking things of him he just kind of

like knew himself and you know he seemed to be completely all there and everything it's gonna be such an interesting dynamic when it's like meet the family because we're so used to seeing people's family, like parents and grandparents and aunts and uncles. And now it's going to be like, oh, here are my daughters and my granddaughters. Yeah, that'll be interesting. Wow. Yeah, the reverse.

Yeah, the reverse. Yeah. So what are your intentions with my mother, you know? No, that will be a question. Yeah. Yeah. Wow, that's going to be so great. I can't wait for that.

It'll be a lot of fun. Yeah, the trailer That's going to be so great. I can't wait for that. It'll be a lot of fun. Yeah, the trailer got me. It had all the feels. All the feels. I'm curious how well it will do. You know? Will it kind of give the franchise a much needed boost? There's just so much competition out there.

Yeah, there's a lot. I think they did well with this one. I really did. I think they did a great job with charity. It just hasn't resonated through. I don't know if it's a competition i just think the the buzz around the franchise is just hasn't been what you know i think ever since maybe hannah brown's season it's you know just always seems to be less and less buzz you know and so i'm curious will gary create the type of buzz that you're speaking about?

Like people have fallen off. Will it bring some people back? Will it bring in new people? Well, I think the first step to that was when they tweeted the picture and then said, this is Gary, he's 71. And even I, who haven't really like, you know, been consistent with watching Bachelor or Bachelorette, I'm sort of on and off the last few years even i was like i retweeted it i was like if this guy's 71 look at the way he looks he looks gorgeous for a 71 year old like i thought that it generated a lot of buzz like people were talking about me saying i need to know his skincare you know i need to know what where

what his workout regime is what water he drinks because, because he looks so good. So it just, I think people from the back of him being so wholesome, seeing his journey, I think it's going to generate a lot more chat, which then generates FOMO, which then has people logging on and watching. So I think it'll do good. I hope it does. Emma, always a pleasure talking with you. It's so good to chat to you, Nick. You'll have to come back sometime again.

We really enjoyed having you here. Thanks. Thanks. I'll be back anytime. This couch is lovely. What are you up to? What uh you'll have to come back sometime again we really enjoyed you having having you here thanks thanks i'll be back anytime this couch is lovely what uh what are you up to what are you promoting plug away share where can people follow you well um i'm working on a new show called hollywood after dark and it's a it's like a celeb variety show we're filming our first episode in two days from now and um it's taken up all my time because I'm EP on that too. So I'm an executive producer as well as the host. And it has been just an incredible learning curve for me, building a show as well as filming it and putting it out there. But I'm super excited for that. The

people involved in it are all just amazing people. And it's a new concept. It's going to be interesting to see where it's going to lean because it's a big variety show with about 50 celebrities that are coming, entertained at a Hollywood party. There's a lot of different facets to it. You've got mixology, you've got comedians, you've got artist performances. But then when you've got so much going on, you need party planners, you need a lot of direction on the floor. So there's 50 microphones. And apparently, every tech company that we've gone to, to get bids and quotes from have gone, just so we understand, 15 or 50? And we're like, no, 50 mics on people. And they've gone,

And we're like, no, 50 mics on people. And they've gone, we're going to have to test it because we don't know if that's ever been done. So it's crazy. When can we expect this and where could we find it? Well, it's an unwired international network. So internationally, it's going to start going out as of next year. And then, yeah, we don't know about US yet. Let you know. Well, congratulations.

Thank you so much that was fun it's so fun where can people follow you the Emma Slater on Instagram I'm on that mostly it's the Emma Slater I think on Twitter it's Emma Slater Dance but I don't know if people are on Twitter these days are you on TikTok? I'm on TikTok

the Emma Slater yes the Emma Slater alright well follow all of Emma's great content Emma thank you so much again. It was such a pleasure. Thanks, Nick. You're amazing. Cheers. Don't forget to listen to us on Thursday Going Deeper.

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