The Viall Files - E629 Going Deeper with Teddi Mellencamp Plus Bethenny’s Cause, Scooter Braun’s Loss, and Taylor Swift’s Stalker

Episode Date: August 24, 2023

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Going Deeper Edition! Today we are joined by friend of show Teddi Mellencamp to dive into all things pop culture and reality TV - we first get her thoughts on the four-part Rachel Leviss podcast with Bethenny Frankel. We also talk about Scooter Braun being dropped by his largest clients, Taylor Swift and her impersonator both creating chaos, and Ariana Grande releasing new music. We then have a Texting Office Hours caller who is a new mom and struggling to establish boundaries with one of her friends, who continues to grab, hold, and feed her baby without her permission.  “This was a W for Bethenny and an L for Rachel.”  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Join us for our new LIVE show on Thursdays at 9PM ET/6PM PT on Amp, available in the Apple app store. Android User? Listen here: https://www.onamp.com/  To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Vuori - Vuori is an investment in your happiness. For our listeners they are offering 20% off your first purchase. Get yourself some of the most comfortable and versatile clothing on the planet at https://www.vuori.com/VIALL  Drizly - Drizly is the most convenient way to buy beer, wine, and spirits, with delivery to your door when you want it. Download the Drizly app or go to https://www.Drizly.com   Lily’s Garden - Download Lily’s Garden for free today on iOS and Android and discover how many mysteries and romance one garden can hold! Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @teddimellencamp @alison.vandam @liffordthebigreddog @dereklanerussell @genevievegoodman

you're crazy what's going on everybody welcome back to another episode of the vile files going deeper edition i am your host nick joined by a full household today, everybody. We got Derek, we got Allie, we got Amanda, we got Genevieve. Everyone is here. Round of applause for the household. Perfect attendance. Yeah, perfect attendance. Yeah, everyone's here. Gold star. We have a special guest, but before we get to Teddy, special guest, Teddy, because we're just including Teddy in our intro just because we know Teddy has, she's so giving. You know what? That's just who I am. Yeah. Usually we don't. We usually don't include our guests in our intro just because we know Teddy has... She's so giving. You know what? That's just who I am. Yeah.

Usually we don't. We usually don't include our guests in our intro. Now I feel special. You are special, Teddy. Is it because I was on time? Sure. She wasn't just on time. She was early.

Amanda, how was your trip? It was so good. I was in Australia going to the Women's World Cup and visiting a best friend who I hadn't seen in eight years. I was supposed to be a bridesmaid in her wedding. It was very sad. Australia was keeping it tight with COVID restrictions, which I respect, but they were not allowing me in the country by the time the wedding was happening.

They're like, not this one. She's shifty. Got a lot of mucus in her, I think. Oh, my God. Wow. Sorry. Of all the qualities. I got it. A little rusty. A little rusty. But it was so good. I feel like everybody should go to the Women's World Cup before they die. It's an amazing tournament.

It's so much fun. Not the World Cup, but specifically the Women's. I would say Women's World Cup. Our men's team is terrible. People are going to get mad about that. They're getting better. They're getting better. They're rebuilding.

But are you genuinely asking, is it about the women playing soccer or football or the World Cup? Or is it just the World Cup experience with all the countries coming, you know, with their patriotism? So my impression, and this is as someone who has not been to the Men's World Cup, but I feel like there's a lot less kind of like debauchery and like rowdiness. Like, yes, there were people who were like spirited and into it. Yeah, but they're like, I didn't worry anyone was going to get into a fist fight at the Women's World Cup. And I feel like at the Men's World Cup, tensions are running high.

Like there's a lot of passion there that I think can sometimes turn to aggression. And I feel like at the Women's World Cup, yeah, it's like people are a little more, a little more into soccer, a little more like calm, easygoing. It's less, I say a little more into soccer because it's less kind of like, I think you have to seek it out a bit more than the Men's world cup and it was amazing and all the players are so fantastic and good and so much drama because like there's all of these like for example in Australia's semi-final game like the star of the team Sam Kerr she was playing against her current girlfriend's ex-girlfriend Rachel Daly yeah so like this is not only is it like

fantastic there's a lot of tea it's amazing it's like all these power couples facing off against each other playing amazing sports and doing great job our ladies shit the bed though yeah i very quickly decided i was rooting for australia i got there and i was like yep i'm jumping ship well yeah it was their home country and they did by the time you landed we were out weren't we it was my first day there and we lost my first full day in australia but so you were the jinx do you have any analysis that's why they didn't let you in the country amanda do you think the ladies of the us of a got caught up in being celebrities more than soccer players i just think it wasn't our year like i think we had a lot of really individually

good players. But there were, yeah, I don't think there was like chemistry. You think they were just bad at soccer? No, no, no. Individually good players

but like synergy was lacking. Like there wasn't like good pass combinations. They didn't have like a compelling. Where does that come from? Do you blame the coach? Do you blame the players?

Well, the coach is gone now and people seem to be very happy about that. Like the coach, incredible man. You know, there's something to be said about about that incredible man you know there's something to be said about i think the other great thing about women's soccer is it's like so emotional because you see people supporting this team that historically you know people have been kind of mean to and frankly kind of sexist too yeah and so like even with the australia fans with the

matildas was amazing to see. Like literally. What was that? So the Matildas is the name of the Australian soccer team. And they were doing an amazing job in the tournament. Do we have a nickname? Not really. We're huge fans. We don't know. But like a New Zealand rugby team. The All Blacks.

But they have a nickname. Why don't we? Do we have not? And they're the what? The Australian? Apparently. Australian women are what? Matildas.

The Matildas. They call them the Tillies. It's really funny. Yeah. But like, like we love a nickname their nickname has a nickname and we don't even have one yeah it's a great point we won two world cups this is the u.s is one of the teams does not have a nickname the americans are sometimes referred to as the stars and stripes but i've never heard of that before yeah that's terrible yeah that's like a nickname that we chose for ourselves. You know, when someone clearly chose it. I think if the women were told that, they'd probably be like,

No, it's not a soccer federation. Who comes up with the nicknames? Is it the fans or the players? That's a good point. I don't know. Maybe this is why the camaraderie was off. Yeah. Because we didn't have a nickname.

Because we didn't have a nickname. That makes sense. I didn't know that women's soccer was illegal professionally in the UK up until like late 70s. What? Yes. Little sexist bastards. Yeah. Of all the things on God's green earth to make illegal, you pick women's soccer?

Like just soccer? Could they play crochet? Professionally. Cricket? Cricket? Crochet? You mean croquet? Could they play knitting?

I think I meant cricket. Crochet? Is that an Olympic sport? I think I meant croquet. Croquet. mean croquet Crochet Is that an Olympic sport Croquet I can't get competitive though Croquet That's why we lost we didn't have a nickname No team

We weren't a team Maybe you should suggest some I don't think that should come from me I feel like you have the energy of like the fourth official who's like keeping track of how much time is like goes by without them being played like the game being played and then it's like stoppage time

like I feel like that's your that's where I could really like imagine you thriving in the World Cup okay Teddy what's new? how's your heart? what's going on? I just got back from Columbia no soccer games

you watched the women I saw I was rooting for Columbia How's your heart? What's going on? I just got back from Columbia. No, no soccer games. You watched the women. I saw. I saw. I was rooting for Columbia and against England. I couldn't know less about a sport. So we went, you know, once you have kids, they're no longer called vacations. It's just trips.

Field trips. So I have no more vacations in my future. No, not unless you're taking it without child, because then it's a lot of- We are planning on honeymooning with said child, because our child, I keep referring to them as our child. Our child. Do you know the gender yet? Or we're just not saying? Yeah.

Can I guess? Sure. You got a 50-50 shot. Well, I think you're having a boy. Okay. Because I was really sick when I was pregnant with my son. They say that's more common with the girls. I'm going from personal experience here.

Well, what I've learned, not that I know dick about pregnancy, but I've learned a little bit. Well, you must know a little bit. I've learned a little bit in the past couple of months. Hopefully. Oh my God, I would hope. At least a tip.'ve learned a little bit i've learned a little bit in the past couple i learned a little i just don't want to sound like a you know that i'm a dad you know i was expecting that you're carrying listen to what am i opinion but i've learned what i've learned is that anything's possible there's really no norm there's like kind of a norm but then there's

there's no real planning ahead it's like even as somebody who carried the kids, like I went in with the first, like my birthing plan. The birthing plan went to hell the second I felt pain. And I was like, nevermind, I'll have an epidural. You know, all of the things change. And so you kind of just have to be fluid as a parent, but honeymooning with your baby, you will have moments that feel like a vacation, but there will also be moments where you're like, should we get rid of the kid for the honeymoon?

I mean, how old will the kid be during said honeymoon? We don't want to give a delivery date away. Is your honeymoon date already out there? No.

Either is our wedding official date. So you're not really giving you're giving it less than six months first quarter next year a lot's happening okay so the child will most likely not be sleeping through the night at this point in time the child will be less than six months old yeah so it's it's gonna be tough i mean this is not gonna sound super romantic but like you may want to bring a mother or someone that can help. I mean, I know.

But then that's also brutal. Like if my mother-in-law was on my honeymoon, I would have been like, this is. Well, I am lucky that Natalie's mom is truly a delight. Very easy to be around. Yeah. So then bring your mom. So you have some time, but you also want she's going to have it within the first six months. You're going to feel sad.

Natalie wants to do the honeymoon like right after the wedding because she wants it to feel like a honeymoon rather than like another trip. Yeah. Which I get. I'm down for. But we'll have this very inconvenient child getting in the way. No, I'm excited. But yeah, that's what we're going to do. You'll figure it out.

There will be great moments and there will be moments where you're exhausted. But, you know, it is what it is. I don't think we're going to go to like Fiji for our honeymoon. No, you don't want to go anywhere where there's open bodies of water that anyone could just fall into.

Fiji, heaven pen. Looks, well, we saw it on charity season. But, you know, like so is Hawaii or all these beautiful islands in the Caribbean. You think it's a little too cliche? Not cliche. It's just more like at the end of the day, if I'm going to want to be at a very beautiful beach with tropical waters, there's a lot of four to five hour plane rides available. Yes, especially when traveling with a baby.

As opposed to 15 yeah and the baby element a whole nother but uh yeah it's just like i don't need to spend a whole fucking day uh it's kind of the same it's hard to get a baby a passport too oh gosh they have to be a certain age no how does that work i had to get one for my boss i know how to take a passport photo for a baby i I'm on like mom TikTok. Okay. Clearly. Mom TikTok.

Because I need to be there. You think this woman doesn't know about baby passports? No. So they literally will like take a- Allie's my official figure it out-er. Everything is figure out-able. I have somebody like that. I call her Ask Jen.

You just take a photo of the baby. I've seen it on iPhone. And then you can, you know, the new feature where you can select like the person in it and remove them from it. And then you put it on a white background and then you can print it off. And there's their little passport photo. I'm old school. I still have like a written calendar.

Oh, so I'm not to that stage yet where I could upload a photo. Like I had my baby waited in line, got the picture. I'll be your figureoutable person as well. OK, don't worry. Thank you. I'll come over for a photo shoot. Okay. Alright. So Bethany. So Bethany. Quick easy transition. What do

you think? Maybe I'll just tell you what I thought. Quick. Let me go first. What did you think? Actually, let me get my good points off before you could get yours so I'm not repeating what you had to say. I made all the points on Tuesday's episode. But to summarize, I just thought it was ironically funny. I think Bethany thought she was well-intentioned,

and I think Bethany thought she was doing good, but she was so blinded by her own selfish agenda that she didn't realize how much she was just using Rachel, and subsequently this whole interview for Rachel completely backfired, and now she's receiving just as much hate as she did on the reunion. And it's just kind of ironic giving Bethany's campaign to protect those in reality TV. And all she really did for Rachel was bring on more hate and more vitriol, and I'm assuming negatively affecting her mental health. And it's just kind of funny. I have a couple of thoughts.

If this is a reality reckoning, if you have people from The Bachelor or Love Island or any of these other shows, why are all the letters that we've seen from lawyers to Bravo? Why are we solely directing at one place? Why isn't this going to all streamers? Why are we doing the same thing to Rachel

on a public platform that the show did, which is utilizing her because she wasn't the number one podcast in the world prior to this? So, yes, you can brag about being number one in the world. That's great. I get excited for being number one in TV and film. That being said, you have to also say I'm doing exactly what the network did or the production team did or whoever it is. So that's one. Two, I think if you don't watch the show, you're not going to be caught up in some of the information that you need to know while interviewing a certain person. So, for example, when Rachel comes on and she's upset that she's not financially making the same thing that the other people are making well when they

were on nine and ten years rachel was on full-time one season and then brought on you know she wanted to come back but wanted to be paid the same as somebody who was on nine and ten season it's not going to happen and she um kind of just made it worse for herself because i remember the moment bethany or rachel both because I remember the moment. Bethany or Rachel? Both, because I remember the moment on Real Housewives of New York where Bethany called Luann a slut and went on and on and on and said just as terrible things as Ariana said to Rachel in the reunion. But that was fresh. I have a pretty good feeling that you probably would be similar to me and Bethany or

anyone if I had gone away from my grandmother's funeral and somebody I know had sex with my boyfriend in my home. Be a little upset. I'd be a little upset and I'd probably say some things. Do I think the online hate afterwards is necessary? No. But do I think Rachel could have come on that reunion and had said, I am so sorry. I screwed up. I don't know what's wrong with me. I'm sorry. But she didn't. And then she came on and, you know. Tried to be the victim. But also, she's upset that she didn't make money for being the victim. But here's the thing. Tom, like him or hate him, he was also the villain. And he's utilizing that to make more money. Sorry, Rachel, you just need a better negotiator or just a better plan. I mean, Tom, his band, you know what you want, but is out there. He's singing and he's selling tickets.

And whether people are showing up to listen to Tom serenade them or they're showing up for the novelty or to troll him or whatever it is. He's selling tickets. And Tom, like many people in reality TV has gotten, you know, or like Tom and like Bethany, you know, there's a level of I don't give a fuck. There's a lack of shame. Bethany on her her fourth her fourth podcast regarding this topic was very much like, you know, literally she said, I love how she opened up. I'm proud of myself. Yeah. I love myself. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I. And here's the thing. Bethany is an amazing

businesswoman. She's smart. I think this completely backfired for Rachel. I think this is probably a home run for Bethany when she was on that podcast being like, bring it on. This is engagement. This is clicks. I mean, listen, she's a human being. And we, when we all say we all say we don't care like there's a level like of course we'd prefer people to like us it's not that we don't care it's just that you see the forest through the trees you can play the long game you're like you know what they hate me now they'll love me later or whatever you know i'm funny feelings are hurt and bethany being the savvy intelligent successful person that she is sees that right so this was a home run for Bethany. I don't think Bethany, like I said on Tuesday, I don't think she gives a shit about Rachel.

I don't think she gives a shit about me or you or anyone else on reality TV. I think she wants what she wants. Bethany loves Bethany. She wants to be the person who's known for this reckoning. If there is some sort of changes in this industry, and I think we can make improvements, I think we can treat our cast better. How that looks, I think it's far more complicated than people realize. And I think they complain about things that they don't actually care about, et cetera, et cetera. We talked about pay. It's not going to be making sure that the top one percenters in reality TV make more. It's going to they're going to make sure that the bottom 10 percent are actually making something rather than nothing.

And if you really wanted to help people in this part, maybe try to teach them how to capitalize on that engagement, on that money. But regardless, if you're on a reality television show, TikTok, whatever it may be like i watched a whole thing on tiktok about how dangerous it is that people are sunning do you know what this is sunning oh like a tanning people so apparently you get a lot happier if you sun your butthole and so all of these get that vitamin d so all of these tiktokers are doing it to an extreme yes there is in the sky? Yes! There is a whole trend. And it's like, now people are doing it. They're burning their buttholes.

And life is... I can't believe you guys haven't gone down this rabbit hole. Please help us out, Allie. Can we get a sunning your butthole image? Experts view the practice as unsafe. The skin of the perineum is some of the thinnest,

most vulnerable, and sensitive skin on your body. Perineum? Is that... Yeah, it's like the under eyes of the thinnest, most vulnerable and sensitive skin on your body. Perineum? Is that? Yeah, it's like the under eyes of the butthole. What do you mean? Is this a butthole full circle? I thought it was the starfish, so to speak.

I just think because you have to use delicate eye cream. Be careful with your under eyes. Amanda. Amanda looked up images. Put that away. Oh my God. Oh my God. Plug it in.

Plug it in. Not suitable for work. Wait, no, wait no let's look see that's what i pulled that's what they're doing oh my god see but my point is people are going to get themselves in trouble regardless if they are on a reality what was your point about bringing up sonny my point was if you are going to be bethany in this situation, maybe coach Rachel on how to make money from this. If all she wants is money, coach her or your listeners on how to become advocates for themselves. Maybe say at the end of this podcast, when she closed out with Rachel, she goes, OK, so what are you going to do now? I was hoping at this point Rachel was going to say, you know, I'm decided to go back to school to do the you know blah blah and then she was like i'm gonna start a podcast i was like no

wait rachel said she's starting a podcast yes to talk about being the other woman she said there's not a lot out there about being the other woman what what happened i missed that part log off 10 minutes early that i did i did not listen to all of episode 3 clearly I was like this I was like come on Rachel give us something good here tell us

I listened to 1, 2, 4 and some of 3 yeah but that's that's what she said at the end she's gonna start a podcast about being the other woman

I'm like of course are you fucking kidding it's gonna be like hit her mistress with Raquel with Rachel what did Bethany say to this

Bethany's like good for you. Good, good thing. I'm like, here's the thing. Yes, we all make mistakes. My mind is blown. I know, but that's where I was like, you had another chance to redeem yourself

in this final moment. But still, instead of going, God, you know what? I made a mistake and I fell in love with a guy that I shouldn't have and And it backfired. But let's also point out, this didn't even happen on a reality television show. This happened after filming. So all of this, it's the productions film. No, they picked up filming again for it. Sure. But I think it started, it was going on while they were filming.

Right. But they never captured any of it. None of it would have been captured. So how you could blame production for not paying you more for being the other woman when they didn't know you were the other woman until after that season finished. She wants to start a podcast about being the... So I don't think it's glamorizing it. I'm sure... I don't think she would take that approach. That seems absolutely batshit. I assume it would be about... Well, I thought it was absolutely batshit to go away for three or four months, go to a

mental health facility, work on yourself. And then the first time you speak, come out and be like, no, no, no, no, no. I'm the victim. I thought that was batshit. I thought it was batshit to come on and complain about how it's unfair that you're not monetizing for destroying a relationship and other people are it's unfair that you're not monetizing for destroying a relationship and other people are. I thought that was bad shit. So I thought the whole thing was a little bad shit. And also, by the way, she could have, but she decided to make her other choices.

She also did. She did make money on being on Vanderpump. Yeah. I mean, it is what it is. And she also wanted to come back. We have to be very clear about that. If you are really focusing on your mental mental health and i'm not discrediting that she went away to get help i'm sure i mean i've gotten a lot of hate and i remember there was some rough there's some rough times during it and pretending i don't care that doesn't exist but i didn't then claim that i was going to get away from it and then start a podcast where then I'm continuing to be in the public eye. I mean, her whole reason for doing any podcast, whether it's Bethany or not,

I assumed it's, yeah, she wants to have some sort of... Like control over her own narrative. Right, but she didn't. She just said the same thing. It's ironic that you say that because apparently that's a very manipulative thing that producers say.

Totally. It was just so meta. Yeah, so this is like a phrase that doesn't actually exist in the reality TV world. Even when producers say it, it. Totally. It was just so meta. Yeah, so this is like a phrase that doesn't actually exist in the reality TV world. Even when producers say it, it's bullshit.

They have final control of the edit. So I think she wanted to break free of that. It's tough because it's like, I definitely think the best thing for her mental health

is to stay away from reality TV. But if she's saying I could barely afford treatment, therapy's expensive, stuff is expensive. I think Bravo absolutely

should have paid for her mental health. I think that was, i think if you're gonna have change in this reality reckoning that bethany speaks about i think whether it's the bachelor love is blind whatever bravo there should be mental health available before during and after for all these people i can't speak for all shows but i do know there is a show that I did that before starting it, I had to go through a certain psych eval. And then before I left, I had to do the same thing.

That's pretty typical, but that's more like networks covering their ass, which is like, hey, are you doing things yourself? But what people do experience, what you've experienced, what I've experienced, what Rachel's experienced, it is not easy. And it's a crazy thing that we've all done and we are i mean like

we all fuck up we all make mistakes and we're all just kind of you know we're all just idiots figuring it out there's a reason why there's certain people who show up for this shit we don't hate attention and like we all believe that nothing bad like we have to take some account of i showed up for a show called special forces and immersed myself into like actual military training could have left at any point it would have been kind of weird for me to do it and be like it was so fucked up how he treated me i don't understand i'm confused you can't say i want to focus on on these following things to make myself better but yet i want to be back on the show for more money and i want to focus on on these following things to make myself better but yet i want to be back on the

show for more money and i want to now be in the public eye to then get more scrutiny that's where it's it's hard for me to understand yeah because you're saying i have a price i think it's very human though to want to like tell your story and to want to like and tell a different one because we already heard that one on the reunion. Yeah. I'm sorry. Period. I heard it. I think she thought by saying, because I think at the beginning she was like, well, like, and I'm not excusing what I did.

And I think like she kind of made the mistake of thinking that disclaimer then excused any of the other way that she framed stuff. I think for her, she thought she was providing context. I think for everybody else, it seemed like a whole bunch of excuses and a lack of accountability. And I think she thought she avoided that by saying that disclaimer at the beginning, at the end, by a few times in the interview saying what I did was wrong. When like just because you're saying what you did was wrong doesn't mean that the way you talk about it.

But also that's on the interviewer, because at some point Bethany could have steered her into. OK, so what are some of the tools that you learned to stop yourself from wanting to be with unavailable men or from falling for narcissists, alleged narcissists or whatever it may be? But instead, it was just more blame on a production or what was left on that. And he set her up and Rachel took the bait. Yeah, but I mean, Rachel was just like, OK, my mom likes you. okay, my mom likes you, so I'm gonna- And that's what was just kind of funny is that clearly Rachel looked up to Bethany, saw her as some sort of mentor, really respected her. So she probably thought,

well, Bethany's asking me these questions. These are justifiable questions. I have the right to answer them. It's just a bummer because I was rooting for Rachel because we all make mistakes. We do, we all make mistakes. No one in this room isn't guilty of hurting someone and maybe not to the level of what rachel did but we've all done some fucked up shit we will do fucked up shit we will have to apologize we'll have to hold ourselves accountable

and yes did it snowball to a level of insanity where rachel and even tom were were dealing with the type of hate that didn't measure up to all the other infidelity that goes on vanderpump of course but that is kind of the nature of that beast, which Bethany very much articulated. It was just more, I wanted Rachel to show that people can change and that people can learn and they really can focus on wanting to be a better person. And they can have some low character moments and say, I don't want to be this person. And I really want to work hard on myself and I want to be the spokesperson for other women who find themselves in very similar and toxic environments and help them hold themselves accountable and have a. But isn't that what she is probably trying to do with her podcast to be a spokesperson for other women in toxic environments and hopefully help them hold themselves accountable? I don't know. But based off of the interview she gave with Bethany, I wouldn't guess that.

I would guess that. She said she's going to have specialists come on to talk about being the other woman. That being said, she did not come across in this interview as an apologetic other woman. She came back as somebody who almost doubled down on what we already heard and to somebody who didn't even bother watching the entire season or all of the seasons of the show that they were talking about.

But the implication of just the other woman implies that it's the fault of the Toms. You know, like it's only, it's all Tom manipulated her. It's all Tom's fault. Tom lied to her. Tom did this. Tom did that.

And Tom is guilty. They're both guilty. They both knew the it's not like she didn't know he yeah like ariana is like is it you know when you say the other woman i'm gonna talk you know it'd be a spoke it's just it it even the title comes across as like these poor women need a community it's just like well you know no they need us need they need help to figure out why they're willing to do these things that are not only destructive to themselves, but destructive to the people around them. And infidelity doesn't just ruin the relationship that you're ruining. It ruins families. It ruins your self-worth. It's a destructive thing. And people can heal from it and people can get through relationships from it. And it's difficult and it's challenging, but like focusing on like the other women is if like it's a community of victims.

Or I think it's too soon to say that that's what it is. And I think I definitely think there's a there's a very likely chance that it is that. But I also think there's a chance that it's like this is something that's so stigmatized, that's so shameful. But when something is shameful and undiscussed, it doesn't get solved. And so let's actually have a conversation about this. Let's talk about why it happens. Let's break it down. So that way everybody else is a little bit more empowered to make choices that serve themselves and other people. Great. Then you should do the podcast on it because you just

explained it more eloquently. That's the point. Like it didn't come across that way in the interview. It didn't come across to somebody like there was one gleam of hope when she said i you know ever since i started becoming in relationships with men i've sought after unhealthy relationships that part resonated with me i didn't give a fuck she just moved right on anyways anyways so like you know the producers fucking suck and i was like well that's really interesting i was like hold on that's the part i want to know growing up in pageants having your beauty put on display as your number one thing that you know you're validated by and then men validating you and what that means

that's where the conversation would have meant something to me and meant something to a lot of other women just saying well i wasn't that close with close with Ariana as they made it seem or I'm annoyed that Lala made money on the send it to Daryl merch. Who cares about that stuff? Who cares? Also, I felt like with that whole send it to Daryl house situation, I think the interesting part with interviews like this, where it's when you seem like there's a little bit of lies or I have questions about certain things. I'm then questioning everything you say. And her whole point of she used the money from the merch to buy this house underneath from Brock. Meanwhile, Sheena's released a whole vlog about how excited she is that Lala is now living next door to her, that the girls can grow up together. And I'm like, so I have that raised a flag for me, which makes me then want to go back through with a fine tooth comb and be like, what else is.

Or what about when she house sat or she stayed at the apartment and then she goes, and I mean, I did it with her mercury cat because the mercury couldn't be. Rachel sounded like she's been like reading Reddit and listening to her circle. And listening to her circle. And I don't doubt that her mom and her circle, whoever is in her circle, wants to protect Rachel and wants to be like, hey, listen, you were wronged here too. That's normal. I empathize with that. But at the same time, yeah, like Rachel comes across as like hearing internet rumors. And then she took these rumors and ran with it like as if she knows what Sheena's or Lala's financial situation is. No, she just she heard rumors about this stuff and then she went on a podcast and spoke to us if it were truth

and again like that's the thing what's scary is that i don't think rachel thinks she was lying i don't think bethany thinks she was fucking over rachel like the lack of this complete unselfawareness it's just so obvious how much bethany just does not care she opened up her fourth episode being like yeah rachel's getting a lot of hate and i'm getting some too anyway uh well then she goes but i love it i love it i'm like isn't this what you're saying you want to protect people from but you're now you're egging people on rachel went to a whole yeah she and rachel went to like a 90 day not like therapy like intensive yeah i mean there were moments when she said that she went to the therapy and there was a girl that was in the first week of therapy and that's how stuff, those were the interesting

parts. Correct me if I'm wrong. Was there any conversation about like, okay, you went to this intensive therapy. What was that like? Is that common? You know, like how did you find that? And then now I'd love to know now that you're out of this and now that you're out of the bubble, are you just done with that therapy? do you continue that you know what's the ongoing

approach they give you to integrate what yeah are you working with a new therapist do they assign you someone like what is this process you don't just like go to a fucking retreat for a few days and be like i'm cured of all my childhood 90 days whatever even 90 days you don't just like go to therapy for 90 days and come out being like, I'm done working on myself. I'm I'm I'm no longer at risk of being triggered. This could have been a learning opportunity. Hopefully that's what she will end up doing in her podcast when she when it comes out.

And I'm sure people will listen to it. But I think just there was a lot of the listen to the first one, the listen to the first one and probably two more. Yeah. And Bethany will have the reality reckoning part five. Imagine she's the first guest. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh.

Probably. Yeah. I mean, it just, it really was, it was a lot. You're in the Bravo world. So like, what, what do you make of the, the she said, she said versus Rachel, Bethany and Lisa Vanderpump and bravo i guess because for first bethany's like you get paid like an intern and like rachel just kind of agreed then it came out that that that rachel allegedly made three hundred you know sixty thousand dollars in some change i

don't know what was thought to be all of season 10 bethany on her fourth episode claimed that that's a lie that's not not true. That was just an accumulation of everything Rachel's made over her course of being on Vanderpump. I'm assuming you don't know what Rachel's contract, but having some idea what people get paid. What sounds more believable? First, I want to point out that Bethany saying to Rachel, I mean, I pay my interns more than you made. That is not something an empathetic, kind woman says to another woman who's struggling financially. Yeah, I feel really bad. I haven't made money. Yeah, you made ruining your life. I mean, it's crazy town that she said that. But I would assume if we're going all in on paid posts, everything that you do when you're on reality

television, or I'm not even on reality television anymore, but I still make other income in addition to podcasting, blah, blah, blah, whatever it may be. I would assume the 350 is all in is my guess. But it really depends on the person. Like, if you're smart, when you go into reality television, you already have a business in place. You already have things that you're promoting. And then it feels authentic. And then it feels real. And then more people are going to buy into you, to what you're selling, to what the story is, because it's who you are to your core. If you go on a show and then later, halfway through the show, you try to become this new person and you have this new business or you're selling these candles or

whatever it may be. People don't buy it. That's why people bought into Bethany because hers was authentic to who she is. These are the types of things Bethany could be telling Rachel. You could have capitalized more on this and to everybody else in reality television. There's a reason we all have tap the link. It's LTK. We get commissions on it every time you buy something. And I think there would have been plenty of time and opportunities for Rachel to want to speak her truth because she is not without reasons to feel wronged and she is not without reasons to feel like she was treated unfairly.

Rachel, that is, you know, and it's just from a pure PR back to like, you would have thought Bethany, having been in this industry for 15 years and talking about how well she's doing and how much she knows. And that's what was so crazy

about her fourth episode. It's just her bragging about how much money she's making on YouTube and that she gets more listeners than Bravo. And that she doesn't want to be on any show. And it's like,

that's all great, but it's just so obvious. Like, again, this was a home run for Bethany and she doesn't want to be and it's like that's all great but it's just so obvious like again like this was this was a home run for bethany and she doesn't give a shit about the criticism and she has done whatever work financially and she can afford the therapy if she gets a little fucked up and and from it from all the money she's made and it's just like you would have thought she would have said all right rachel i know that you have a lot. I know you feel wrong. Let's slow our roll. Let's just focus on making sure people come around on you. I've done similar interviews,

and I said this last Tuesday. I'm like, listen, it's up to you. It's going to be your answers. I'm going to ask you a lot of questions. Be honest and be your toughest critic. Yeah. And I'll ask you questions that might give you an opportunity to blame other people. You can say what you want, but if I were you, I would let other people come to your defense. I would just focus on the work you want to do and how you don't want to make excuses. And that tends to work. I mean, I even started coming to her defense towards the end, towards the reunion. It got a little mean. When everybody was just, I was like, this is too much, you guys. Everybody's having, like I was,

I would openly talk about on two tees. I was like, listen, it's getting to the point where it's too much. That I agree with. The online hate is too much, but you can't blame production or a network or anyone else for an affair. And then that you didn't make more money

because you had the affair and they capitalized on it after the fact. It is what it is. You sign the dotted line. I've reached out to to Bethany's people to get her on the podcast. I was told a while back that she wants to come on. And then I was like, well, we only do in person. And they're like, all right, we'll let her know when she's in town. And then I was like, well, now I'm flying in New York, unavailable. Then I was like, you know what? We'll make an exception for Bethany. We'll have her do Zoom only. Still unavailable. Because she doesn't want to answer your questions.

I would love to sit down and have a heart-to-heart with Bethany, the queen of reality TV, because she has a lot of experience. I got a little bit, you know, and I think it would be an enriching conversation. And I'd love to know, because I do think that Bethany has some valid points. Of course. Of course she does. Could things be better? I just don't believe that she, for a second,

gives a fuck about anyone but Bethany when the dust settles. I think she's hoping there's this reckoning and she wants to be spearheaded. When you look up in the history books, there's a picture of Bethany Frankel, the, I didn't need to do this but I did it for everyone else.

No, she did it because, as she pointed out, she's created this network and she's had her YouTube channel and she has her social media. And this is all worth. I'm using my platform to talk about Bethany, you know, and Bethany is loving it. And rightfully so.

And she has the foresight to do that. That's what she cares about. And because she cared about it, Rachel, I can only imagine what Rachel's doing in this moment. Oh, and then to also play with everybody like, oh, I'm not going to tell you if I paid Rachel to be on the pod. I'm like, oh, for the love.

Does that not just mean she didn't? I'm like, if she actually paid her, wouldn't she say that? I don't think she should. It's not whether she should or not, but the whole tease of, I'm not going to tell you. If you're going to tell us everything, tell us everything. Bethany is a professional. She knows what she's doing. And and again this was a win for bethany and a huge l for rachel and it's a bummer because i really i really i wanted rachel to get a win and i wanted this to be to start for her to be an advocate for people who have

experienced something and give people a reason to, you know, in the future, people can make mistakes and they're not immediate narcissists or sociopaths and they shouldn't be canceled from society and shipped off to some like remote island for, you know, like we are human beings.

We all make mistakes. But like, yeah. She just, it was such an opportunity. Double down. The double down was not a good look. So many options when it comes to dressing yourself when you're working out. But there's just a lot of crap out there.

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And also with all the kind of like news amid her separation, like, do you have any insight on how she's doing? I mean, I got a lot of heat about I refuse to talk about all that like speculation that went on, whatever it was, a couple of months ago on the podcast. I had Tamara do the podcast with somebody else. I think there is a difference between talking about your best friend when she's showing up on the television. So when Real Housewives of Beverly Hills airs, I will talk about what I'm watching, but I'm not going to talk about our personal relationship that happens. The rumors behind it? Yeah. I just don't think it's necessary. But yes, when I'm watching the show, I'm going to recap exactly what I'm seeing, but I'm not going to speculate on a

situation. When was the last time you talked to Kyle? I saw her two weeks ago. Is she happy? I love Kyle. She's happy. She's a good person. She's a good mother. I mean, all around, Kyle, the best thing that happened from reality television for me was meeting Kyle. Really? Yeah. Like you don't think that you're going to meet one of your best friends. You don't think that you're going to help meet somebody that's going to help you grow and learn. And, you know, she's been a really good friend to me and our families are really close. And I just hope that all is well. What is a misconception about Kyle where people might think one thing and having become friends with her and knowing her, it couldn't be furthest

from the truth in terms of her character or how she treats people or whatever it is. Maybe it's her taste in music. I don't fucking know. I don't think they show enough on Housewives

how funny she is. Like, she is so funny. You could see it more on Girls Trip, but, like, you're constantly laughing your ass off with her and, like,

a lot of people, especially in Beverly Hills, take themselves very seriously. And she's not like that. Can I ask a question? Oh, Zempik. I know it's everything. Everyone's talking about it. I know it's some sort of weight loss thing.

It's a diabetes medication. But it's really like taken over Hollywood. Has it? Is it just a Hollywood thing? Is it just like because I'm in this bubble of LA and I constantly hear about it in pop culture has that bled into like modern society and like now I there's like some class action lawsuit going on regarding the people who have been on it like well I think that what is now problematic is now with all this oh yeah it's every are you kidding

every time a woman's body changes at all it's ozempic or it's this or it's that. And it does what? Like just suppresses your appetite? So you just starve yourself? It doesn't actually make you lose weight? I think it actually, it helps. If you're diabetic, it helps you process the sugars and whatever it may be. Oh, I see.

Yeah, that makes sense. If you have a medical reason for it, it has this. But now there's, I mean, I think there's five different weight loss, diabetes, things that are now bled over to the other. There's no longer what I've heard, a shortage on it. So the outrage over that, I don't necessarily know, is there still a shortage on it? Yeah. So I think, I think the pharma companies have now generated enough because people are like, yeah, let's go. I just don't particularly like to speculate on women's bodies and how things change. It seems really wrong. Like why, why are people, it's like, because Ozempic came out, it seemed like a free fall to do the very thing that you just said.

And yet it's been like, if somebody wants to open, like there's housewives that have openly been like, oh, I'm on Ozempic. Like I openly said I had a neck lift. I wanted to talk about it. I didn't want people to see a change in me and then think she's lying or covering it up. Does it mean everybody has to? No. I can agree. I'm so confused by what the rules are for, quote unquote, body shaming or just people's privacy when it comes to their bodies. There are very popular TikTok and Instagram accounts of, you know, surgeons or just people

who work in healthcare who just make a living off of speculating if people have had or hadn't had plastic surgery. I'm thinking like, that's so fucked up. What if someone just changed their skincare routine and lost some weight and worked out or whatever, changed their, you know, grew a beard or whatever it is and like, and put it in all that work and they're out there. And there's some like doctor is like, well, let me tell you all the, you know, they've definitely had removed their chin. And I think it's so crazy that people do that. And yet the audience seems to like, think that is totally okay.

I think it definitely started as a means of being like, let's talk about like, if these people who we hold ourselves to as they epitomize the beauty standard that we are comparing ourselves to, that we are aspiring to as a society. I think it started as a way of being like, let's talk about how this is not a fair, this is not a level playing field.

How people have resources to things that you don't. I think that it started as a means of trying to weed out grifters and be like, hey, you're not going to take like vitamin that's going to help you with this. This was a cosmetic surgery procedure. It's morphed into like a really. It's morphed into shaming. Yeah. And that makes sense.

But if you openly want to share what you've done with your body or your face or whatever it may be, then then you do it. But if you don't, it should be each person's right. may be, then you do it. But if you don't, it should be each person's right. And, you know, it's the same as a filter on Instagram or FaceApp or whatever it is that people are doing. Clearly, if you see somebody's face on Instagram and they don't have one pore, it's FaceApp. You guys go to FaceApp, go to Hollywood 4. Number two, you won't have any pores either. We don't need to point it out. Like, you know, it's there. You know know it's there. I'm telling you right now, if somebody doesn't have a poor, they have poors in real life. I just think in general, if people want to, however they do it, don't lie about how you did it. But however you did it, if you invested in yourself, however you invested yourself in,

and you feel like you made some positive changes in your life, why don't we just celebrate the positive change that people, if they feel good about themselves, if they've invested in their mental health, they invested in their fitness, they invested in their eating habits. It's to each his own. It's their body. I mean, I even at my company All In, I've said, listen, there's people that have come that are on Ozempic. And I said, listen, you won't be a before and after that I showed. But if you want to learn how to change your eating and how to hold yourself accountable to working out and doing these additional things in addition so that when you go off Ozempic, it's not some terrible aftermath because all of a

sudden you have created this body dysmorphia that you've gotten from a shot, like you want to create a healthy lifestyle change, then yes, you should come. I'm not discriminating against anybody who wants to take it or do it. But you should also learn the tools that you're going to need for it to be a constant lifestyle change if that's what you want. Totally. Do you have any suggestions like kind of apart from the things that are maybe only accessible to like some people in Hollywood? Like do you have any suggestions of things that you've learned for like your own self-care or that you'd like really recommend? Like if your daughter was like, hey, I really want to take care of myself or like in any kind of capacity that the average person might be able to apply? Well, I think, you know, taking 30 minutes a day and going on a walk and having

some fresh air, put your sunblock on. As you guys know, I've had a bunch of melanomas and all those types of things. So yes, protect yourself. But getting outside, breathing fresh air, listening to something that fuels your body. Half my time is spent on negative things. I talk about housewives for a living. So it's like there are negatives. But I also spend at least 30 minutes a day working on myself while walking, while getting fresh air. And then also, you know, cut out things like sodas. Don't drink every night. I mean, it's all pretty simple. It's things that we don't want to hear. But if you just cut out some of the extra, it doesn't have to be everything. It doesn't have to be all the time. But if you just do a little bit less of the things that you know are making you feel yucky, you will start to feel better. less of the things that you know are making you feel yucky, you'll start

to feel better. You know who took a huge L this week? Scooter Braun. Subsequented by Taylor's W. Taylor's dominating. Taylor is really dominating. It's like, Genevieve, you seem to know a lot. I don't think it's any coincidence that the song Karma came out

less than a year ago. Do we know why everyone's firing Scooter? Because he sucks. Well, I read that Haley leads the show when it comes to justin now i've read that i read she is involved in his business affairs hailey bieber to justin bieber isn't that interesting their husband and wife yes yes but interesting no that hailey bieber is involved in justin's business affairs that she's taking over not a percent hailey is managing justin's bieber is involved in justin's business affairs that she's taking over not a percent hayley is managing justin's bieber i'm not saying she's managing but that's what everybody's

saying now that that news is coming out as i don't know if it's confirmed that justin is leaving leaving scooter yet i think ariana yes yes ariana and demi lovato it's confirmed for them it's not quote poking around for a new manager but it's just interesting that the Haley news is coming at the same time as he's supposedly thinking of leaving Scooter. Is this all a result of Taylor Swift's dominance? I mean, maybe there was a time a while ago that Demi kind of spoke out in support of Scooter. Yeah.

And got a lot of hate for it. Well, then I said, so this is quite the switch. I have dealt with bad people in this industry and Scooter is not one of them. He's a good man, which is what Demi posted June of 2019. Personally, I'm grateful he came into my life when he did. Please stop dragging people or bullying them. There's enough hate in the world as it is. But I've also heard that Demi has recalled times in which she was struggling with sobriety and stuff like that.

And those were habits that Scooter kind of encouraged, like to go out and party and do all this stuff. Someone comes forward and is like, he's a good man. It's like you're only speaking from your experience. Like it's one thing if you want to say I've had this, but I think the way it really discredits and like kind of permanently plants a seed of doubt for anybody who does have things to say about him is kind of shitty. And it's like, how would you know? Like people who are like shitty aren't shitty to everyone. They are shitty in very systematic ways that they know they can get away with. So like just because you haven't had any negative experiences doesn't mean you can speak to the other experiences people have had.

And if you're making a ton of money from a particular person, most of the time they're not extremely shitty to you. Yeah. and most of the time they're not extremely shitty to you. Yeah. But at the same time, too, it's just like, also some people just have bad days and don't meet your expectations, and that doesn't mean they're a shitty person.

It just means they were rude to you, and it cuts both ways. I get what you're saying, but at the same time, I don't fault Demi for... For standing up for her manager at the time. Or just thinking that he's a good guy and not... And then changing her mind. Just because she's letting him go doesn't like thinking that he's a good guy and and then changing her mind just because she's letting him go doesn't mean she thinks he's a bad guy just could be just a business decision i just it just all seems to be happening at once it's also

interesting that these four people justin taylor demi ariana were young when they got their start and so i'm sure a lot of the things that they like agreed to and signed on to when they were young when they got their start. And so I'm sure a lot of the things that they agreed to and signed on to when they were young, they're now older. I think they're all in their 30s and they're looking back and thinking, oh, I wouldn't do that now. And I think Taylor,

a lot of what she does is kind of make the impossible to them possible. Like re-recording her old music, no one's ever done that before, right? She just announced her fourth rerecord, 1989. Is that her fourth one? And I,

so I feel like those three artists are seeing what she's doing and, you know, maybe thinking back and going, Oh, yeah. They're seeing Taylor Swift take over. And also give back to all of the people that work for her. Yeah, the music industry, having, you know, she's just absolutely crushing life.

She should run for president. I'd vote for her. But yeah, I think they're all sitting there and going, I think we got some bad advice. We're doing fine, but we're missing out on how well we can do. And Taylor took kind of literal ownership of her own kind of agency and her career and said, fuck this. I'm tired of being, you know, taking it for granted and taking an advantage of. And, you know.

I don't think this is fair and I'm gonna find a way to do something about it. And that's what I love about what Taylor's doing. Instead of saying this isn't fair and let's go on a podcast and just complain about it. Taylor's just like, you know, fuck it. it we're moving forward how do i learn from this and let's take charge of my career and she's fucking dominating and it's but she strategically did it and she took time it wasn't like a rush job she actually took time played the long game yeah you know she wasn't

like i'm gonna do one podcast and divide up into three over a week and just be done with it. She took some time. She planned it out. Well, she loves to plan. Well, I also think, too, like what she talks about in Miss Americana, when this all happened and when everybody turned on her and Twitter went off and Taylor Swift is over party was literally trending on Twitter. She thought her career was over. And so she said she said no. When did Taylor think her career was over?

When Kanye started dragging her. Right before she turned 30 in said, no, when did, when did Taylor think her career was over? When Kanye turned 30 in, in this, have you seen Miss Americana? Probably not. Well, I know the Kanye thing. Yeah. Yeah.

Everyone turned on her. Like Twitter was trending about how everyone hated her, how she was commenting snake emojis on all of her photos. And what was her alleged crime? Well, do you know about the second Kanye thing? So there's the OG Kanye thing where he goes on stage yes yes so that was a while ago and then he came out with that song where he has a line that's like famous yeah i made that bitch famous oh yeah i'm from in the music video there's

an alleged phone call yeah yeah and in another part of this is that like not only does he say i made that bitch famous in the music video it shows like her naked body a very lifelike like representation of that in bed and so then was it actually her no no and there's a line that says like i'd still have sex with her she'd still have sex with me something like that and so there's a legit phone call where she's agreeing to one of those lyrics and then the song came out and she said i didn't agree to that lyric. That's not fair. And then they release this edited phone call

making it seem like she did agree to that lyric when in reality she's agreeing to. That's more crime to record someone's phone call. Yeah. Is it?

Especially in the state of California. It's state by state. But instead of California, so fucking illegal. And they were definitely both living in California at that time. Yeah.

Yeah. There was this big moment of everyone's like kim k brought the receipts like to see taylor swift as a snake and a liar and there were all of these like other and like she's always been a public figure who i think has like come under fire for like a variety of different things like i read one really long buzzfeed article that was like taylor swift's like professional victim complex that like really broke down each and every like. And so there was a period of time. I mean, it was everywhere. It was like, I'm so sick of her and her model friends.

She's playing a victim again. Da da da da. So that's why she went in hiding. No one saw her for over a year. No one literally physically saw her for over a year. And then she like deleted all of her social media. She's taking comments off her social media. And that's why like when Reputation was released, we haven't heard from her in years.

Yeah. Yeah. She went completely off the grid. I know she called because we're mutual friends. I know she called some of her friends and was like, I'm unfollowing everybody. Don't take it personally. But she gave her friends a heads up when she unfollowed. I do know that.

But the thing that's sad is, you know, speaking about the Miss Americana documentary, a part of it is, you know, she's driving down the street and outside her house, there's an entire block full of people. And she's saying, I'm very well aware of the fact that this is not normal. And it's just upsetting. I feel like we'd taken strides as a fan base or community. You know, I'm not I'm not saying that the fans did this. I think it was rather not really her fans that kind of shut down a street for jack

antonoff's wedding that was very upsetting that was so upsetting to see mr maricona was years ago and now it feels like we're just repeating but also now there's this woman ashley who's pretending to be taylor swift and hiring fake security guards to walk around the grove with her and she's like i didn't look like like could you actually confuse the two? But she's made herself look like, let me show you what she actually looks like. On social media, selfie mode, uncanny. In person, not so much. And by in person, not that I've seen her in person.

I mean, I've seen. If you see like a photo that somebody else took. Yeah, well, this, this video, this is what I'm referring to. She doesn't look like Taylor all that much when you see her. And she wasn't actually escorted out. She hired these guys to act as security guards so that people would think she was Taylor. And over the years, she's gotten like veneers. She's gotten plastic surgery.

She's changed her voice. She's cut her hair. She's literally trying to be Taylor Swift. She bought the cat that Taylor Swift has, which is an expensive fucking cat. Yeah. She spent money on this. She needs help. You know what? This is a sad cat. Yeah. She spent money on this for a deal. You know what?

This is a sad story. Yeah, this makes me sad. No, and people have started putting together montages because originally when she had somewhat of a similarity, you know, people interviewed her. And so now people have put together

interview clips when she first was like noticeably similar to Taylor versus now after she's gotten all these procedures, after she's gotten all this plastic surgery,

changed her voice. And it's weird because she starts out as Ashley and now it's like, do you think you're Taylor Swift? But this is my point. You can get yourself into trouble whether you're on reality television show or not at this point because of the world of social media. You can do anything. There is no shortage of egomaniacs out there. Yeah, or people that have

serious mental illness. Or a little bit of both, yeah. Yeah, I mean, you don't know what somebody's going through, and now everybody sees it. When I was younger, I'm just so happy we had a couple Polaroids from my youth. Like, that's it. Yeah. I wasn't documenting my days. Are you a big fan of Timothee Chalamet?

I mean, I don't really know much. Well, he posted a new thirst trap photo. Can we bring that up? I haven't seen it. Let's see it. I feel like I'm old enough to be his mother.

That's it? That's the thirst trap? That's why I put thirst trap in quotation. It's giving Gollum. Look at it. It says, Timothee Chalamet

shows some skin in a thirst trap amid his romance with Kylie Jenner. Hold on. He's not even showing his There's waves. You don't even see a nipple. his romance with Kylie Jenner. Hold on, he's not even showing his body. There's waves. You don't even see a nipple.

He looks like Gollum. He's a good looking guy. In that photo though. That's not the best photo. He's in a cave. Guys, he just wanted to show the scenery. I don't think he was like trying to flex here. Like trying to show his body off. I don't know. What's this face? I wouldn't call it a thirst trap. I don't know what the face is.

Yeah. It was bright. That was the face is. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, it was bright. That was the face. Poor guy. Just trying to take a scenery photo. Hey, that link I showed you about Tom Sandoval doing that Lifetime movie. Is that a movie he already did? Or is he also coming out with one? That's old.

Yeah. Was he on Special Forces with you? Yeah. So Tom and I have both starred in a movie with Vivica A. Fox. And by starred, I mean like had a line. I was like and I have both starred in a movie with Vivica A. Fox. And by starred, I mean like had a line. I was like, wow, you starred in a movie.

And by starred, I mean. I was on like the movie poster. Well, it's time, Teddy, for texting office hours. We're here to give some people some relationship advice. You ready to save some lives? Yeah.

Great. And then we'll wrap it up with, oh my God, we haven't even gotten to Brittany. Oh, shit. We'll close out with Brittany. We'll close out with Brittany. Oh my God, we haven't even gotten to Britney. Oh, shit. We'll close out with Britney. We'll close out with Britney. She seems okay, though.

What do you mean? She's like Debbie. We're like, Debbie seems happy. Like, Britney seems happy. I don't. She's coming out with an album. Britney is? Yes.

She announced. Like, see, she is fine. I love her music. I do, too. I love Britney. I just, I feel like this is another case of maybe less social media is more. I used to play Gimme More on repeat,

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And I don't like conflict. So I'm looking for advice to set some healthy boundaries. What is she doing? Is she just shaking your baby or? No, none of that. So she got really excited when I was pregnant. We weren't super close. We're like friends slash acquaintances.

But she dubbed herself Auntie right away. And when my baby was born, the first time she met her was at a wedding. And she immediately went to my baby who was in the car seat asleep and unbuckled her and took like picked her up right away without asking me and continue to like walk around this wedding with her the entire time and like never picked up on cues that I wanted to have the baby back and never shared her with anybody. And then that's happened pretty much every time we've been in a setting with lots of people. I've actually had one time where somebody made a comment like, Oh, I'd love to hold your baby later. And she had the baby and she actually just like walked off, like completely heard this, walked off and ignored the request, which was super awkward for me. Sounds like a Lifetime movie.

Okay. So recently I was at her house and I made a comment that my baby was teething and her gums were a bit sore. So she just walks off with my baby, comes back with a freezie in her mouth without asking me at all, which I don't think is appropriate to put things in a child's mouth when the parent's not okay with this. She's also constantly kissing my baby, which one peck or whatever, that's fine, but it's constant. Yeah. And her dubbing herself onto you and you guys aren't even that close of friends. I was like, bold.

I guess my first question is, why did you go to her house? She had grabbed something for me and I was going to pick it up. Okay. So I think this, you just said something that struck house? She had grabbed something for me and I was going to pick it up. Okay. So I think this, you just said something that struck me. She was doing something for you. So I think that's also where the lines start to get blurred because if somebody does something for you, then all of a sudden they think that they have this level of comfortability with you. That's how people make friends in LA.

Yeah. So I'll pick up at the airport. Yeah. I'll do this. I'll do that. You know, I'm one of those no nonsense people, especially when it comes to my kids. That's how people make friends in LA that I don't trust that I wouldn't put in that situation. And I would just be straightforward. It's you don't have to have confrontation. But I just say, hey, listen, I think like the relationship that you're building with my baby is making it hard for me at this point in time because this is, you know, my newborn baby.

I love them. I want to spend time. And every single time that I'm with you, you kind of overtake the situation. And this is really my first time to do this. And I just want to be able to have that quality time. And just saying it. I mean, if she's going to get upset about it, then it's really not about your friendship at all.

It's about the relationship she's trying to form with your baby. I also think it's hard, too, because I know in your email, you'd said like you've had moments with her where you're actually like put your arms out, as in I would like my daughter back. and she like laughs and doesn't give her back to you, which adds to a level of uncomfort. What's your read? What's your gut?

Do you feel like there's something kind of toxic or like unhealthy about this? Or is she just not good at reading the room? I think it's not reading the room and the social cues and just she it feels like entitlement to do things with my baby that are more like a mother how old is she 28 okay does she have kids yeah she does have kids okay is this your first child mine yeah so i mean i i thought it would have been the opposite. Yeah. Like she didn't have a kid. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know that she's trying to do anything that's malicious.

She's probably just trying to help. But I think if it's making you uncomfortable, you just have to nip it in the bud right now. And also, what level of friendship does she provide for you? Like, and do you provide for each other? Like, do you want her in your life? Yeah. Can you just phase her out? I live in a small town, so it's a bit hard. Okay. Okay. So I would just say, hey, listen, this is my first baby. I know you have,

now it's easy. Now that I know that she has kids, I thought she didn't have kids and was like latching onto yours. I would assume she is probably just trying to be helpful because you're a new mom. I would just say, listen, this is my first baby. I really want to have a bunch of firsts with her. I just need you to respect my space a little bit when it comes to her. Like if I hand her to you, it's because, you know, I want to, but if not, will you just let me have that time with her? It means a lot to me right now. I know that you're a pro at this, like almost boost her up. Like you're a pro at this, but this is my first time and I want to experience these firsts. And you can even make it about yourself. I, you

know, I'll say certain things like I, you know, some it makes me feel this way it makes me feel that way you ask me if you want to hold so and so your baby it just makes me feel anxious just in general when anyone grabs her without me knowing what she's doing and like can you just yeah i think that's great advice from teddy because then it's less about her and saying things like i want to experience the first it's like oh no i this would be a rule for anybody, not just you. Or this happens when anybody takes her or if she's out of my sight or anytime someone puts something in her mouth. Like it's not it's less personal in that way.

But also, like, I think it could help you just working on. I mean, if she's holding the baby and you want your baby, you got to. It's your baby. So like instead of just holding your arms out and hoping she gets the point, you don't think she's someone who's good at reading social cues. I mean, at a minimum, I know you hate confrontation, but you need to just go ahead and ask for your baby. And I know also as a first time, like with when my first, there were moments where people would come in and like take over the situation almost as if they could do it better

than I could. And you know what? They probably could. But I then would start to feel insecure, like maybe I'm not as good as this person because they handled the situation so well or whatever it may be. I think also as as new moms and the way that we feel when we have a baby, sometimes we will process things differently. So just I just say, Hey, listen, I'm just going through it. And I want to, I want to experience everything. And it's not about you, but like, I'll hand my baby to you if I need help. Before this, I know you said you weren't that close to friends, your acquaintances, like, did you enjoy her company? Like, do you want to be friends with her? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Maybe. Yeah. Again, if she's just someone who like can't read the room,

maybe in the small town, maybe everyone's just kind of like, you know, wanting more connections and more friendships. Like it's, it's tough to make friends as adults and, you know, your friends evolve and like people get busy. To me, I don't think the naming herself the aunt is that big of a deal to me it's just like no and that's not that wasn't my big issue it's more the like going and picking her up sleeping out of her car seat every time we get there like kind of let baby sleep if they're sleeping also if you let her know in advance yeah like you're telling you're working on hey we're working with her on some sort of a team i don't right isn't that a thing i'm leaving my house now but as a heads up my baby is sleeping right now and i don't want her waking up. So please don't tell, you know, like if you, if you give her advanced notice and she still does it, then you're in for a bigger conversation. You can just say, can you be mindful?

Like I just, you know, a lot of germs going around. Can you not, you know, kiss grace on the mouth or whatever or whatever, you know, you know, things like that. Like you have every right it's your kid you know and just ask nicely or you can do it almost in a joking way no mouth kisses you know like no no no no mouth kisses and then she's not going to feel like she has to like overcompensate i totally get where you're coming from though of also like i find confrontation really like daunting and scary and i think something that's really helped me to work through it is to be like you find it like for, at least I find it scary because it's like,

oh, I don't want to feel disconnected or far away from this person. But like the fact that I'm kind of resenting them or that they're doing something that's like bothering me is already doing that. So like, even though it's scary in the moment, like what you're ultimately doing is like taking a bit of time, like doing the uncomfortable thing. So that way you can be friends with her down the line. Like you're not by avoiding this like confrontation, you're not avoiding the conflict. Like the conflict is still there. You're just shouldering all of it. And so it's like you're kind of like setting both of you free from this dynamic that she doesn't even know she's in right now of like her kind of like crossing boundaries. And so you're so warranted

one to just like assert your boundaries like straight up. But then also like I think it's in service of the friendship as like an added bonus and to kind of help you get through the moment of like maybe any kind of panic you might feel right before. And also everything's like feels like it's going to be a thousand times harsher in your head than when you say it aloud. And that's the thing. Do we even know for sure whether whether a conversation with her would result in conflict? To Amanda's point, we can get worried and it's just like, hey, I'm asking her not to do something she's doing. I don't want to hurt her feelings. I don't want to trigger them. But yeah, there's a way to just sit down with her and kind of like Teddy and we've all said, kind of put it on you like, hey, as a new mother, I really look forward

to this and maybe I'm doing it wrong, but I really want to work work on this. This made me anxious. And I know it's not you. You're obviously a great mother. Throw her a bone. You're obvious. I've learned a lot from you. Thank you so much. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, shit like that.

I know you're trying to help me, but this is very important time for me that I want to focus on. Yeah. And if she's offended by that, she'll probably be like, oh, my gosh, I just saw this. And who knows? Sometimes it also can shed a light on the energy that we're giving. offended by that, she'll probably be like, oh, my gosh, I just saw this. And who knows? Sometimes it also can shed a light on the energy that we're giving. I know sometimes people were trying to help me because I honestly looked frantic or I looked stressed or I looked overwhelmed. And so

the women in my life would try to step in. And I had to finally put some boundaries down, too, and just say, hey, listen, I'm figuring it out. Sometimes it's going to take me a second longer to change a diaper than you because you've had five kids. Like I just need a second. And they may cry for 10 seconds while I figure it out, but it's okay. And then you'll start to feel power in using your voice and knowing that what you have to say is worth being heard. And then it won't be such a big deal. Yeah. I think in the moment, it's just hard to bring up that because I feel like it'd be awkward, but you're so right. And kind of giving the heads up before I go. And then I don't have to leave after just dwelling on it, being upset of how it went. things till the death. But like she's going to take it and probably process it way more than she's probably feeling something from you, which is why she's probably overcompensating and trying

to be more helpful and do more things and be anti times 10 because she can feel something from you. Yeah. And the fact that you care and you don't like conflict means whenever you have this conversation, I'm guessing you will say it in a very nice way and you won't be aggressive in your tone and it's such a reasonable ass that i'm i'm assuming she the only right answer for her is to be like oh i'm like i'm sorry i just got carried away you have a beautiful baby i just love holding her but like i totally get it you know and yeah don't make it about her just more like everyone else like it just it makes me anxious and like can you just ask just because know, and then when she's holding her baby, just take your baby back.

You don't even have to ask. You can also do it in a group. Yeah. While a bunch of you are around, you guys could be like, hey guys, new ground rules. Only holding my baby. If you ask me first, I'm going through this new thing. And I just, I really want people to ask permission first. Can everyone just, you know, and then you're making it to the group and she doesn't have

to feel singled out if you're in a small town. Just another option. Then it feels less confrontational to you. But I'm a confrontational person in general. So that part, yeah. But we wish you the best. And I know these early stages can be hard,

but just know that you're a great mother and your baby loves you. And these little hiccups that you'll have in navigating new relationships will pivot each month. Mom drama is so fun. Because you're not in it, Nick. It's very stressful when you're in it. I'm going to be in it.

You're not going to be in it in the same way. I actually do think you're going to be very in the mom drama. I'm totally going to be in the mom drama. Do you have morning sickness right now? Not that. I'm totally going to be in the mom drama. Like, do you have morning sickness right now? Well, not that. Not that. You know? I just think you're going to be very,

like, you're going to be very aware of all the social dynamics. She's going to be a hands-on dad. My husband can't wait for this to happen in front of him because he is not afraid to say something. Oh. Oh, there we go.

Let him do it. If you really can't do it, let him do it. And you don't want him to? Or what have you, like... Oh, it's just We haven't been in the situation where he has been there. But yeah, it really bothers him when I come home telling him what happened. Yeah, he's not afraid to say something. Well, because he wants you to stand up for yourself, which you can.

Yeah. You can do this. I think if you handle it well, he'll give us an update and he'll be like, you know what? I wish I would have done this sooner. Think of it this way. If you handle it this way, and clearly you're going to be nice about it because you hate confrontation so you'll probably apologize five times while setting a boundary uh so try to work on that in general because we've all been there i think i know i'm someone who comes across as like i don't give a fuck about confrontation but like i don't love it i'm just like willing to do it

when necessary you know when i need to but the point is is like yeah like you're you're gonna be super nice and if she doesn't handle it the way we all expect then that's a bigger red flag you will reveal something about her as someone who like you know what maybe i maybe despite being in a small town i need to separate myself from someone because like all I am asking is that she respects some real basic boundaries when it comes to my newborn child. And she is taking offense to that. And I was super nice about it.

So like, ooh, maybe it is necessary. So I think only good things can come from you just very nicely complimenting her and then asking her to just follow some very basic rules that like Teddy said, is this something that you're trying out as a mom and things that you're working on and you're trying some new practices and you're working on things and you appreciate her advice, but at the same time, you're also seeking out opinions about everyone. And you're really enjoying this experience of being a new mom with your daughter and you really want to fully enjoy it. And you're just asking for her help as people love to think they're very helpful.

Clearly this friend wants to be helpful. So make her think she's being helpful by respecting your needs as well. And maybe that's how you start the conversation. Hey, listen, Deb, I need your help. your needs as well. And maybe that's how you start the conversation. Hey, listen, Deb, I need your help. I'm serious. This is something I want to work on. And this is something I want to do with my daughter. And like, this is how you can help me. Shut the fuck up. You know, getting your head off my child. Seriously, like when you're like, hey, I really need your help. She'll be like, oh, my God, girl, I got you. You want me to hold your baby for three hours? Like, no. Can you let me take the lead a little bit? Yeah Yeah just let me take the lead and just like I always want to be mindful of where she is and so if you want to hold her can you just ask because sometimes I know we're

working on some napping things or whatever the fuck you want to make up but just take that approach. You got it. You got this. Okay I appreciate it. Well she's beautiful at least her left ear is. It looks like. How old is she she's beautifully sleeping three months oh oh yeah you're you've got this i'm not a helicopter parent i swear it's just this one person i don't mind that it sounds like she's a helicopter parent you're a kid no you're fine maybe no i could i yeah and sometimes you just get the vibe there's some people that like are around you're like you're like, just, ah. Yeah, and you're like, oh, you really miss being,

like, it's like, I get that maybe you really miss this. Like, this is something that like you loved so much, but like, respectfully, like you're on a new chapter with your kids and like, please don't try to relive it through my kid. I'm that way when people give me long hugs. I think that's exactly what it is. Oh yeah. I don't like a long hug.

Also, I kind of hope that maybe you don't say something, your husband gets the opportunity, because while that might not be productive, it will be fun for us to hear that update. We would love that update. No problem being the apple. Yeah. Same.

Because if, yes, if it were, you know, being an expecting father, and Natalie has friends who have, that are maybe at this point of life maybe closer to the acquaintance than the bestie somewhere in between who have identified themselves as aunts and I can imagine if they were doing what your friend is doing I would be like can you get my fucking baby back please yeah yeah I would not I would not be worried about offending but you're nicer than i am yeah

i'll do it in a much nicer way yeah and that's why you're a better person than i am um all right well good luck keep us updated okay we're dying to know because congratulations thank you and i am assuming this is uh very relatable so please let us know how you handled it because we need we need to know if our advice is productive or especially if mine was it ruined friendship well that's for you to decide whether it's worth ruining you know

it's not going to ruin it if it's ruined then we've got some additional red flags we need to dig for that's what I'm saying if this is ruined then this is not someone who's interested in being your friend. They're interested in using you for your kid. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So let us know. Keep us posted. For sure. All right. Take care. Okay. Thank you, you guys.

All right. Bye-bye. Bye. Good luck. Bye. All right. Britney Spears is getting divorced. R.I.P.

Do that, love. We saw that coming, right? I just... All right. The statement... love. We saw that coming, right? I'm... I just... All right. The statement... Did you guys already talk about the statement?

Which statement? Sam's? Sam's? I kind of... I kind of made me laugh when you were like, shit happens. But I also feel like

he's like in TMZ's back pocket. Like, I feel like he's always... I don't know. I have... I've gotten a little bit of like the not 100% trusting him vibe for a while. Well, I agree with you, but Britney makes a lot of colorful and entertaining content that even us as fans will share our thoughts on.

And I think sometimes the assumption is that being fresh off of her conservatorship and in the claims from her own family that Britney is not well enough to take care of herself, coupled with her videos, I think we just assume that this Sam guy must have alternative motives. He must be taking advantage of her. He's in it for the money, yada, yada. I feel like we just, as fans, have made that story or made that assumption. I don't know anything about this guy. I haven't even heard his voice.

I don't even know what he sounds like. I don't know anything about him. I did. He had one line in a television show that I watched. Yeah. Not the Lifetime movie you were in, where you starred, but the other one. We assume the worst in him,

and we want to assume the best in Brittany. I don't necessarily assume the best in Brittany. I know from my own relationship, I expect my significant other and he expects the same from me, that we have each other's backs. One of us was doing something repeatedly that made us appear to not seem like we're handling ourselves in the best light that we would help stop the other person. And that not happening made me concerned. But what if Brittany is trolling us? I don't think that's the case. I mean, I think she's at the point where she doesn't. I mean, obviously, her commenting's off.

She doesn't want to hear what anybody has to say on any of the things where she doesn't i mean obviously her commenting's off she doesn't want to hear what anybody has to say on any of the things that she does post or do so i think she's just in her own bubble and yeah she's iconic she's amazing she's all these things i just hope that this doesn't spiral into what we saw however many years ago and this end poorly for her she really has sam not anymore her manager and her security team. And her lawyer. Yes. Well, and that's why I think people are concerned is the fact that.

We're her friends. Well, they were just saying like now that her family's estranged, now that she doesn't have Sam. But weren't there a lot of celebs at her wedding? Didn't Selena Gomez go? Yeah, they just flew in for the photo op. Yeah, it doesn't mean that they're going to be like checking in on her and I don't think the house. Here's the thing. If she was out with her friends, if she had a solid friend group, we would see more of her.

She lives in California. Paparazzi is everywhere. I can't even leave yoga without a paparazzi being there. So imagine being Britney Spears. We would see her with these people. They're not there. That's true. She's always in her living room.

Her brothers, I think. She has a brother who it seems like has been going in and out. I think it's just that really hard line of like, and granted, it's really hard to say because like all this is speculation, like you don't really know what's going on with her. health crisis or like needs to be like more resources and needs treatment like in a mental health capacity if you try to kind of impose that when somebody doesn't want it they push you away so it's like how do you tow that line of like showing support and hopefully staying in the loop or being aware of what's going on while also if but that might mean like watching and witnessing behavior that you really disagree with or you worry i just think it's such a fine line of trying to like stay in the loop and supportive so that we are aware of what's going on

while also like knowing when to speak up about which things are really like crossing a line or like really potentially damaging to someone. And if one person holds all the financial cards, you're at a different dynamic. If one person is like, listen, you only live here because of me and because of the situation and I financially have all the control over you. And I got out of this conservatorship and it's either my way or the highway. At some point, they're probably going to choose the highway. I think it's productive that she's getting back to work. I think that after not making music for a while, I feel like that hopefully is going

to be a productive outlet for her. I really want it to be an absolute smash. I bet it will. I hope it is. I love Britney. I hope it is. Selena Gomez is making new music again. Ariana. This is going to be an absolute smash. I bet it will. I hope it is. I love Britney. I hope it is. Selena Gomez is making new music again. Ariana.

This is going to be a huge year for the ladies. Yeah. If all of them come out with new music after a really long break. Yeah, it's been a drought. Do you think Ariana's album is going to be called Homewrecker? I think she said what it was called. She made like a TikTok post. That would be funny, though.

SpongeBob the Musical featuring Ariana Grande. Yeah. No, Ariana will be. she made like a tiktok post that would be funny though spongebob the musicals yeah no ariana will be honestly be curious her perspective on it i think it's called got my own what does that mean she didn't that sounds cryptic who's the producer and who is her manager at this point ariana she stepped away Yeah, I know. So do we already know? Is it SpongeBob? Does he do that? I don't know. We didn't, maybe. Who, the SpongeBob guy?

Yeah, her new lover. Did you see the side-by-side of the brother? I, on this show, said he looks exactly like Frankie, her brother, and then that meme came out. We missed the boat, people. I blame my team for not getting credit. Once in a while, I come up with a good idea. Yeah, I'm a victim. Teddy, if you could be a housewife in any other city, what city would you choose?

Ooh, Miami. I think Miami is so fun to watch. And I think because it's new, it's like there's there's new people, there's old people like there. It's fresh. It's got enough going on that I think you're seeing real friendships formulate, but you're also seeing old drama circulate. So it's easier to kind of break in. Totally. Which city would you find it most challenging to join the cast of? I think Jersey. It's just so at this point, I can't even imagine. There's so many women filming, allegedly. And it's just I feel like it's just going to be the same thing in a circle. And to be honest, I don't care anymore. I'm like, let's find something else to talk about. Is there another Bravo show, like besides Housewives, you'd want to be a part of? That is uncanny.

I would love to do Girls Trip. I think Girls Trip would be fun. I mean, here's the thing. I love to do new things. The more exposure that I have, the better. I know that's what's best for my work and i have fun doing it and i have learned to embrace some of the negativity that happens surrounding me so as long as it would be a shorter time like i like the idea of girls trip or like

traders or those types of shows where it's special forces we do it I would have done that. Yes. Do season three. Well, hello. Hey, everyone. Teddy will do a special force. They'd have you, I think. Maybe they'd have you. But maybe if you put a good word in for me, Nick. I think it's hard for them to cast that show in general because it's like, well, what they ask you to do is fucking insane. Not everyone's willing to do it.

But they're also only looking for a certain level of i guess notoriety i'd be surprised then you just look to me like i would be shocked if you wanted to do it that you how long were you gone uh i can't say but i can say that the course that i was on for the it was eight days so and you can leave whenever you want i'm open guys i like the idea of doing something fresh and new i would probably rather that than go i would love to see you on special forces i would do i think you i think you could do well i hope so i mean it's all about being resilient and not giving up well i got kicked off of big brother first because i was the behind the

wwe chick holding on the longest and then you were on big brother i was first one kicked off i'm sorry yeah this season no a couple seasons ago but yeah no i i mean the 18 days that we were there before they actually start airing things that was a. You were there for 18 days before you filmed anything? Yeah. The live feeds came on and then I was on episode one. You see me doing the first challenge and then I didn't listen to advice.

People said, don't do well in the first challenge. And I was second. And then after that, I didn't, if you win, then you're in the special room that people can't kick you out.

But if you're a threat, then they kick you out. I tried to. I think you could a threat, then they kick you out. I tried to. I think you could do well in special forces. I will see. Look forward to it. Maybe next time I'm back on the Vile Files, I'll just be recapping that with you.

Maybe. Teddy, it's been a pleasure as always. We really enjoyed talking with you. All right. If you guys want to hear more on the Bethany stuff, I'm sure that Tamara has a lot to say and we're going to be filming two teas in a pod right now because if you all listen to Bethany's most recent episode, she also brought up Tamara.

What did she say? I'm going to have to tune in to two teas in a pod. Oh, come on. No, Tamara was supposed to show up and she canceled on us and we were supposed to have both of you. So like, what the fuck?

What, you're saying I'm not good enough? No, I was just supposed to have both of you. I know, but it's what it is. Is Tamara a flake? No, she just got a house out of town, and so she's driving back and forth, and it was just too much.

Well, I'm a little salty. All right, well, she won't flake next time. Any other handles you want to promote on social? Yeah, what else do you want to promote, Ted? Two teas in a pod. We're also having a $100 off promo at All In By Teddy. Go to allinbyteddy.com and do the two week jumpstart with us. We'll help you change your life. All right. Well, follow Teddy, listen to her podcast, sign up for all the great things

that she's doing. It was a really fun note. It's always great to see you, Teddy. It was fun. Good to see you. Don't forget, we have another episode of Better Date Than Never live tonight at 9 p.m. Eastern. It's going to be a ton of fun. I will be calling from the lake house, but we'll be there. Don't forget, we have an update special on Vile Files Classic tomorrow. So you're in luck for other people

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