The Viall Files - E636 Going Deeper with Wells Adams - It’s a Girl, Bachelor Weddings, and Joe vs. Sophie

Episode Date: September 7, 2023

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you're crazy what's going on everybody welcome back to another episode of the vile files going deeper edition i'm your host nick joined by the household of ali genevieve and derek man is in spain spain or ireland we don't know which one anyway it doesn't matter she is traveling the world having a sabbatical our pop culture correspondent ali joy returns she's with us and our special guest for today the one the only friend of show wells adam yeah yeah whoa whoa i was thinking about like something else some other compliment i want to say and then i got caught up in my words okay i'm really upset that the show started the way it did because i've been watching all the clips and all the videos and you didn't say

wells how's your heart i haven't started yet i want yet. I want you to ask me about my heart. Beat me to it. I thought that's how it started. That's how all their videos go. It does. It's like someone sits down, they put on the headphones like dramatically. We do that sometimes. Well, we do a little B-roll at the end.

But also, typically, our Going Deeper guests won't be in our intros. Yeah. Being the friend and the professional that you are, I figured we'd just give everyone as much Wells Adams as they can handle. So this is like the B squad show? Is this what I am? No. This is the, I would say this is the A squad.

Oh, okay. If there's, if there, we like to think of all our programming as equal footing. Okay. This would be our main, our flagship show.

Okay. Okay. Okay. I feel better. I feel better. Yeah. No, you're super important.

Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. How is your heart? Well, it's beating. It's beating. Yeah. I feel better. No, you're super important. Yeah, yeah. Thank you, thank you, thank you. How is your heart, Wells? Nope. It's beating.

It's beating. Yeah. I'm alive. Thank God. That's what you came in to say? He's been waiting all this time. I didn't think past the answer. Like, to the answer.

I just wanted to be a part of the thing. And also, I've got nothing going on. How's your heart? Well, you just married two people. I did. You know, you just married two people. I did. It's full of love. You created a union of love. But if we're being honest, they are already married.

No, which Natalie and I have talked about the possibility of wedding each other. At the courthouse? Prior to the birth of our daughter. Because on her birth certificate, it will say that I gave birth to her out of wedlock. That she was born in sin. Is that true, Allie? Yes, this is what I've been told. If people aren't married.

Wait, it says wedlock? I don't know if it says wedlock. Will the birth certificate say bastard? When a birth parent or other parent are not married to each other, the law says the birth parent and the other parent must complete a VDOP or get a court order. A VOP. What? A VOP. A VOP.

We gotta do that. You know the VOP. You have to establish legal, oh, establishing legal parent, I read percentage, and I was like, who gets what, 60-40? I want 51%. I want the top half. The bottom half is the gross part. I'm good on that. Establishing legal parentage is easy and free and helps a child in many ways.

Okay. Well, if you need an officiant to marry you guys before the actual wedding. So you are like actual, you got ordained. Yes. You could like, if you were in an airplane and someone's like, oh my God, we need to get married right now, you could do it. Yes. They sent me a, like a card, like a credit card thing.

Yes. I've also got like a lanyard that can go on the inside of my jacket. And is that good for any of the 50 states of America? Yes, I believe so. So you could be in an airplane. Yes. Well, after going to Joe and Serena's first class wedding, just truly exceptional. I will say, though, that there were a lot of jokes about them already being married.

Yes. Which I would love to avoid if we did that. Yeah. I don't know if there were more jokes about them already being married or the age gap between Joe and Serena. Which I never knew that that was a thing. I didn't think so either,

which is just like, holy shit, I can't. Yeah, you're going to get a lot of those. They're 11 years. I feel like Joe and Serena walked, so I could say, don't fucking do that at my wedding. Well, so the problem that Joe and Serena walked, so I could say, don't fucking do that at my wedding. Well, so the problem that Joe and Serena had was they got caught coming out of the courthouse by paparazzi. So it became public. Yeah, they're so...

Oh my God. So everyone knew, right? And then so before you get married, whoever's marrying you, you get together and you talk about like everything. So I was like, is it known like amongst your family and friends that like you guys are already married? And they're like, yes, everyone knows like this is really a pretend wedding. And I was like, OK, then we can lean into that. Yeah, but you're right. Like during all the the the speeches, it was just non-stop Joe is an old

fuck and Serena is young like a child I look at them I'm like they're kind of like the same age to me Serena's way more mature than Joe so true yeah it was also

just a truly great, lovely wedding. Joe also kissed her before you said to kiss. Oh, that was hilarious. I almost had a panic attack. Natalie goes, oh, no. So did I. I said, no, no, no, no, no, no. And then Joe goes, well, I'm not supposed to do that.

And you're like, have you ever been to a wedding? Yeah, like what? But it was so Joe. Totally. It was so beautifully Joe. For anyone who doesn't know, we're talking about Joe and Serena were giving each other their vows. Yeah.

And. After they finished. Joe did his speech. Yeah. You know, very Joe-ish. And then got done and was like kind of so proud of himself. Like, I love you, baby. I love you, baby.

And leaned in for a kiss. And Nellie screams, no. I feel like everyone was like, yeah. But I actually kind of love that he did that. Because it was very Joey. Totally. In the best possible way. And then I say, I know you guys are already married.

But come on. We're almost there. It was funny. Because she, so beforehand, they came to me. And they're like, who? Well, I needed to know the nuts and bolts of everything. Right? So I was like, so beforehand they came to me and they're like, who, well, I needed to know the nuts and bolts of everything. Right.

Uh, so I was like, so who's going first in terms of vows. And they were like going back and forth. And I was like, well, who's going to kill, like,

who's going to be funnier. And Joe's like, I'm going to be funny. I was like, okay, then Serena should go first because you never want to follow someone that kills. Right.

So she went first and after her thing, which was really heartfelt and beautiful, I thought for sure they were going to kiss. And I was like, ready for it. And then Joe opens up with this joke. And I was like, okay, this is me. Yuck, yuck. So like, whatever. And then at the end, he's like, I love you, baby.

And I was like, I wasn't ready for that. That joke was so good. And it's so funny because we ran into them in the hotel, like the first day we got, like the Friday before. And he was like, I have told the videographer to make a reel of my vows because they're so killer. They're so good. Yeah, like Natalie said, I was joking with Joe.

And Joe like admitted it was true that like when joe was like writing his vows the night before he would like laugh at his own joke and kind of like write it down and be like that's hilarious like he was in a separate room joe's was wonderful i thought serena's was a little funnier really well because it was she wasn't trying to be funny yeah and then she made that joke about like not wanting to say this because it's going to go to his head. It was really endearing, but funny and very sweet. I mean, they were both great.

Yeah. Well, so for everyone that doesn't know, Joe's joke was when I first came down to Paradise, I was panic stricken. I was nervous. And then I saw you with brown eyes, curly hair, big smile. And I walked up to you and I said, Wells, I'm so glad you're here or whatever. So that's the big misdirection.

Things we're talking about. Serena. And then it's so and it's funny if you watch that reel on his on his Instagram. I'm I'm going through the nuts and bolts in my head of like, hey, what the next act is or the next beat. And so I'm not really listening to, I'm listening, but I'm not really listening. And so you can see, I give him a laugh

because I know it's the appropriate time to laugh. And then you can see the gears turn and be like, oh, and then I really laugh. I don't know. It was, I think that was very, very funny. But he screwed up something else too. Oh, I started doing the I really laugh. I don't know. It was, I think that was, was very, very funny. And he screwed up something else too. Um, oh, and I started doing the, I do is like, do you, Joe, take Serena to be your lawfully

wedded wife? I do. And I was like, well, I had like seven more things before you say I do. I forgot about that. Oh my gosh. But it was just so them. Like, I feel like, and everyone thought the thought the same it was it couldn't be a more joe and serena moment up there i feel like serena poised and you know eloquent and joe just

like kind of fucking it all up i don't know i know i like so i went on their podcast yesterday and we were we were talking about it and they're like thank you for taking it so seriously because we didn't i'm like yeah well i didn't want to screw it all up but one of my favorite takeaways of the entire weekend was getting to meet their parents and like whatever you think joe's parents are like you're 100 right like like joe's dad It sounds just like him. Looks a lot like him. Gigantic hands. His name is Joe. Everyone's name is Joe or Joanne or Joey or Joseph.

That's such an Italian family. It was the most. And I told this on my podcast, too. But like the last night, the night they got married, we went out and got pizza, of course, the night they got married we went out and got pizza of course with joe's cousin gina and other cousin spaghetti the guy's name was spaghetti and i was like i don't know if i could say this to you like my name is spaghetti we went out got pizza with spaghetti drank chianti in the courtyard until five o'clock in the morning and i was like this is the most italian thing i've ever done and i loved And I loved it. I love it.

Did you guys exchange numbers with spaghetti? I don't think so. But we're in the DMs now. Joe took me to, he's like, do you want to meet my dad? And I was like, no, of course I do. So he took me and he saw his mom first. So he introduced me to his mom. Sweetest woman ever.

And then he took me over to his dad and he goes, dad, she said I got my looks from mom. And he goes, oh, fuck you. I was like okay yeah big joe is the best and we've got a date i'm going i'm going to chicago i'm going over their house he's gonna make me uh he's like it's it's gravy but we but we call it sauce i'm gonna make you some sauce i'm like yeah okay great i don't know let's go is it is it sauce or is it gravy? He's like, everyone calls it gravy, but we call it sauce in Chicago.

I was like, okay. But like tomato, like a spaghetti sauce. I don't know. He'll find out. I honestly don't know. Or is it like a meat gravy sauce? Yeah, I don't know if it's like biscuits and gravy or if it's like tomato sauce. I don't know.

But all I know is it's called sauce and I'm very excited for it. So they asked you by a text. Is that what I heard? Yes. Joe just texted you and was like, hey, do you want to? He goes, hey, I got something to ask you. Will you marry Serena and I?

And my initial response was, I feel like this is more of a phone call than a text. But then I was like, hell yeah. When someone asks you to do something like that, you're like, yeah. And then you're like, oh, this is a lot of responsibility. And I don't even know if I can go to the wedding like i don't even know what is the wedding yeah but yeah but it's really funny too though because for our wedding initially ty burrell was supposed to marry us and he had a family emergency like a week beforehand so we were like oh god what do we do? And I, no shit. We texted Jesse Tyler Ferguson.

We didn't even call. And I remember telling Sarah, I was like, we need to FaceTime him and ask him. And she was like, let's just text him and see what he says. And then if he's like, yes, then we'll FaceTime. That's what we did. I was texted by Joseph,

but that's the most Joe thing ever. That's like nick too i told him i was like i have to figure out all my bridesmaids proposal boxes and he's like fuck you're just like you just text him an ass like what do you mean i'm like no you can't do that i'm not saying text but i don't i'm not giving everyone a box we were just we're out to dinner with one of our friends and nick was like so do you like do you want to be like a groomsman and he's like um yeah like i guess yeah it's the guys it's so informal informal for guys and for girls it's like you're getting a wicker box with you know like gold leaf of course you need all those things yeah sarah's boxes were ridiculous and cost, I'm sure, way too much money.

Yeah, I'm sure. But it's a thing. I tell you what I did do. I did do a box for my groomsmen at the wedding, which was like, I gave everyone a really nice tie. I gave everyone a flask. Yeah, you got to give a little merch. A knife. The worst was, I feel like because this was like my brother-in-law texting me five to seven days

before the wedding maybe a couple days more but not much and he was like ali i need your help getting like customized things for all of my groomsmen i was like we are out of time for custom i was like we are getting generic i was, I'll find you whiskey glasses, but they're not going to be etched with anybody's initials. I was like, nope. Etched. Or having a girl. Oh yeah, we announced this morning. Oh yeah, I saw that on Instagram. I didn't know if we were allowed to talk about it.

That's, congratulations. You're going to be such a good girl dad. I feel like I am. You're such a good girl dad. Am I allowed to be like, yeah. No, of course. Nick thinks he's gonna be this like strict parent and I'm like the second that

this little girl who looks like you is like daddy I really want this Barbie you're gonna be like yeah sure let's buy 10 Barbies

can we get all the Barbies off the shelf you're gonna crumble at her I don't I think I'll definitely be a softie

but I I don't I can't I'll definitely be a softie, but I don't. I can't wait. Your heart of stone will crumble. I just don't want to have a spoiled kid. Yeah.

Especially like we're on the fringes of Hollywood here, right? Like you look at all these kids, these like nepo babies and you're like, I hate them already.

You know? So like our kid will not be this. Yeah. I just, you know, I don't know them already you know so like our kid will not be this yeah i just you know i don't i don't know how i'm gonna do they will not be wearing a balenciaga hoodie into uh you know a beyonce concert she'll have chores do you have chores growing up absolutely but like at what age i don't know like really young my chore was i had to i remember all of them actually i had to fill the wood box that was one of the things so then that means i also had to chop the wood yeah for a kid chop wood yeah but

we had one of those we had a wood chopper that you put it in and then you like crank this thing and this like blade would come how old were you i don't know like 10 okay and then we had a wheel barrel that had so many spiders in it i remember i was like this i'm like a bit and i'd fill that up and then we had a wood box, you know, that like on the outside, you put it in and on the inside, you can open it up and get it.

My dad loved a fire, big fire guy. And then I also had to take, we had a long driveway down to our house. At the time we had like these crates for the recycling. And I had to take the crates up to the top of, of the hill. Those are my chores.

Nick says as soon as she is able to ask for things she will be doing her chores. What are her chores going to be? I don't know. He said if she wants a toy he said okay, go vacuum

your room 30 times. 30 times? She has to vacuum her room before she gets a toy i mean i did kind of say that but it's not exactly what i meant i don't know what age yeah i don't know i'm sure i'll get a lot of books and you know my therapist will give me her two cents on you know child development and what age you know you should do this and what you should do that but i think as early as i possibly can without fucking up my kid i want them to know the difference between need and want and the things that they want i want them to be willing to work for it you know and maybe that is cleaning up a room or whatever but like you know i don't know how what life's but right

now we are incredibly privileged we can afford kind of anything our kid could ever want yeah i'm guessing we can afford it you know type of thing i hope my kid doesn't come out asking for like rolexes but you know what i'm saying like most of the toys that she wants we could afford you know what birthdays and christmas i want to spoil her you know but like she's gonna ask for a lot of things you know and i i don't want to have a spoiled kid and if she wants things and if she's willing to work towards them i of things, you know? And I don't want to have a spoiled kid. And if she wants things, and if she's willing to work towards them, I want to instill that work ethic as early as I can. It's something my parents did with me,

and it paid dividends. Yeah, I saw something where a dad was like, the currency in our house is knowledge. So like pages equal money. And I was like, that's a good idea something something where they you know they understand i want this my dad we were at the lake house and i think i mentioned this on the show in a couple like last couple weeks ago but my parents even told me this story about you know i wanted something i think it was like a like a

a deck of cards or something like 1993, the entire season of NBA, I don't know, whatever the fuck it was, and I had to like mow lawns and do jobs and then I had enough money and I was like, I don't think I want it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I understood the value of how much things cost and earning things and that's a lot different

than having a kid who's just, I want this. I want that. Having no concept of what things cost or money or what it takes to earn something. Yeah. I, I do want,

and maybe it's pages, maybe it's reading, maybe it's, yeah, I don't know what it is, but just the idea of, I lived on a golf course as a kid and, um,

so privileged. And, uh, we, so people would hit golf course as a kid and um it's a privilege and uh we so people would hit golf balls into our yard and stuff um so we would sell golf balls and lemonade to the golfers and so that i would do the same thing my i never got money my parents never gave me any money so i would go out there and i'd like if i needed like i remember needing new wheels for my rollerblades. Yes, I rollerbladed. I rollerbladed. Well, you roller skate. Yeah, that too. You're good at roller skating.

I was really good at rollerblading, and it was heartbreaking to me when that became not cool. And I was like, who made this decision? I'm good at this one. Anyways, I remember I'd sell golf balls and lemonade or sometimes beers until I got like enough money for the rollerblades. And the same thing.

Once I, once I like worked for that and I was like, that was so much more work than what these, the joy that this is going to bring me. No, I'm not doing this. Those are valuable lessons. And like, you remember them. How were you selling beers? Illegally. Where were you sourcing them from?

My fridge. So you would just steal beers from your parents and then sell them to other people. Yes. Oh, and like, I kind of respect that. I'd be really proud of my kid. I mean, you know, as long as they're not drinking anything. And we would also like, this is such a terrible thing, but we were kids. So like, we didn't know.

We would always pretend one was sick, but we wouldn't say how sick they were. Like terminally sick? That was the implication and so we would make a sign we'd be like raising money for our sick sister and then we put my sick sister like in a chair and you'd be like look sick like i like how you were like that was the implication and then you were like no there was a sign and she was in a chair we were out trying to blanket

we put some black shit under your eyes and she looked like she hadn't slept in a while did you have one of those thermometers with a money goal we were terrible I do remember people being like okay lemonade or we were also saying sold Tang do you guys remember Tang? Tang was good man terrible. I do remember people being like, okay, lemonade, or we were also saying it sold Tang. Do you guys

remember Tang? Tang was good, man. And then I remember guys would come up and be like, would you have any beer? And we'd be like, hold on, hold on. We gotta go inside. And then my dad would be like, what are you doing? And they're like, someone wants a beer. And he's like, charge them more. How much would you sell a beer for?

I don't even, I don't really, I remember that lemonade was 50 cents. The golf balls, it depended on like the shape and the quality of the golf ball. And I think, yeah, I think beers were like $3. So you were basically a beer cart girl at like 10 years old. So we live in the corner of 9 and 10. And that bitch of a beer cart girl. of nine and ten and that bitch of a beer cart girl so we were on 10 fairway and she would go sit on on 10 t-box and cut us off right before they got to us so what'd you do how'd you get her back my sister had like terminal cancer or something they're like sorry there's a sick kid

up there we gotta keep going they're like oh, I'm going to return this because this poor girl. Did the golf course realize that you were selling basically them their balls back? Oh, yeah. Did you get in trouble? No, not at all. Because we found them. They're a bunch of rich people. That's true.

But there was also, so there was one hole that you had to hit over a gully. So it was like, you know, balls would get lost down there. And so we'd go hunt for them down there when we would run out of balls but it was full of poison oak so sometimes the sick sister did look like she had something wrong with her because we were just all as a full of poison oak from it so we had yeah we had to work for it this is amazing that we've gotten here from where we started. Can I ask a question about, were you planning on this? So we... Did you pull the goalie? We decided to let fate take over.

We were just kind of like, yeehaw. We were like, let's just see what happens if we were to do this. And I don't know. But that's what happens. Yes. No, yeah. Well, you know... You always hear.

That it takes a long time and that you gotta, you know... I'm like, holy fuck. It has nothing to do with you. Does it, then? No. that it takes a long time and that you gotta you know it's just like old as shit it has nothing to do with you does it that no I feel like men can have well into his 70s

yeah didn't Al Pacino just have a kid sometimes men have well listen we were to answer your question

we were kind of like let's see what happens yeah and there was definitely a part of me of like I don't know, like as individuals, we always wanted children.

Yeah. You know, I've been on this earth for a minute and it was kind of like, I'm pretty sure I can. I hope I can. And like, there's a little bit of an anxiety. You have, I've had a handful of friends really struggle with getting pregnant. You're kind of like, well, what if, what if it takes us a while? And I don't know. And then, you know, you're kind of like well what if what if it takes us a while and i don't know and then you know it's kind of like we're engaged we're

getting married i'm definitely ready and it's kind of like what's the worst that could happen well the worst thing that happens we were blessed with a child yeah so we were kind of like fuck it and then but it was in fact the first time yeah of course it was wait so how did you tell him so i found out that morning and he had gone to work already now was it like a thing of i feel different or like my boobs hurt okay so i was like okay and i had taken a pregnancy test like a week before and it was negative and that's when we kind of had this conversation of like well what if it takes us a while like will that be frustrating how will we you know go through that we had this conversation then a week later i'm like my boobs kind of hurt like i'm just gonna take another one because i had a ton in this drawer you did have so many

i was like natalie where did these all come from anytime nick would go to the grocery like i don't know just like grab a couple just in case. And so I took it and it immediately came up pregnant. Yeah. You had COVID. Immediately. You knew exactly when you had COVID. Immediately, yeah.

And so I am like- That's stuck in bar. Yeah. No, no, no, no. I'm like so shocked. I have no idea. I'm like, I couldn't believe it. He's like recording. Did you cry? Oh yeah. Sobbed, sobbed. Yeah. I have no idea. I'm like, I couldn't believe it. He's like recording.

Did you cry? Oh, yeah. Sobbed. Sobbed. Yeah. Then Cindy came over. I didn't. Yeah.

Then Cindy came over and she's like, what are you? So was she the first person that knew? She's like, what are you crying about? And there's like 17 pregnancy tests on the counter. She's like, oh, fuck. So did you take one? I thought she called you a bitch. You bitch.

That's what she said. Did you take one? You immediately had COVID. And then so then did you were you like, OK a bitch bitch that's what she said did you take one it you immediately had covid and then so then did you were you like okay i need to take another one to like but i also like i was like oh my god i just used up all my pee so then i'm like chugging water and then i'm like what is this gonna like water it down like isn't it gonna come up negative because i drank all this water i don't know wash the kid out went through that whole day so he's recording that time. He's at work.

I'm like trying to figure out what I can do. I'm like, I want to make something special. Like, I don't want to just say like, hey, I'm pregnant. So I'm like, let's record ourselves like cooking dinner together. Yeah. You know? And I knew he had to get parchment paper out of this drawer to like beat the meat. Beat the meat.

Yeah. Which you did just a couple months earlier. And so we're recording it and he's taking it so fucking serious. He's like, no, no, no, that wasn't a good take. Let's redo it. I'm like, no! Let's just get through it.

She's like, hey, we should share our kale salad recipe. I'm like, okay! Yeah, he gets so excited. Everyone's gonna love this. I'm like, no, we should he gets so excited. Everyone's going to love this. I'm like, no, we should do this. And then he's like, well, let's stop recording and let's get the stuff. I'm like, no, no, let's just keep recording.

And he finally opens the drawer and there's all I had was, we didn't know the gender, but all I had was a pink onesie that I had bought my friend who had a baby that I just never sent to her by accident. I was like, I don't put that in there. I don't know. Screams baby with all the pregnancy tests and a little sign that said had bought my friend. Yeah. Who had a baby that I just never sent to her by accident. I was like, I'll put that in there. I don't know. Screams baby with all the pregnancy tests and like a little sign that said, hi, dad.

And he was so shocked. Yeah. But did you, were you like, what is this doing in here? Well, first I open it up and I was just, and I looked and I go, are you pregnant? Kind of like in this shock. And then I had this like, I don't really don't remember. Yeah. But then moments later I had the self-awareness. it kind of like in this shock and then i had this like i don't really don't remember yeah but then

moments later i had the self-awareness i'm like like what was all happening like oh i'm being recorded and then i was like i'm messing this up like i'm yeah i was like i'm gonna turn this off you know like because i was just so i wasn't given the oh my god you know i was just like yeah yeah it was very shocking. And then I got self-conscious about being recorded and I was acting all fucking weird. And yeah, so we're not posting that video. Yeah, no. But he was like, are we having a girl?

And I was like, no, no, no. I don't know. That's all I had. But how was the kale salad? Really good. Yeah, it was great. I actually threw it up the other day, so I can't eat that anymore. Oh, no.

It was so bad. And my chiropractor said, we don't digest kale very well. And I was like, no, I'm aware. Well, humans just don't. Right. Not pregnant women. Right, right. Yeah. What are some of the weird things that, like your cravings that are weird?

Do you have any? I don't really have weird cravings. I started craving sweets recently. Yeah, I do sweets. I like my ice cream with a bowl of chocolate ice cream with brownie in it. Okay. With milk and three ice cubes in a bowl. Because ice cubes keep it kind of icy and cold, you know?

And then the milk just adds to like... But that sounds like something that you did beforehand. Yeah, it is. But I really crave it now. So not like pickles and anchovies or some weird thing like that yes um but i always like pickles i actually did we ever tell this story on the podcast about the pickle incident i don't think so nick left one day and i as soon as he left i was like oh my god i need a pickle yeah oh my god so i go to the fridge new brand new jar i have little little tiny hands yeah and i could

not open it oh no and i am trying and trying and trying i call him i'm like on the verge of tears i'm like i can't open this fucking jiggle door he's like oh no it was like her first craving in a lot yeah yeah since being pregnant so she just decided she needed a pickle yeah yeah so nick is like put it under hot water, like tap the side. He's like trying to help me. It's like nothing is working. So then he's like, take it outside and throw it on the ground.

No, no. I said, take it outside and grab, grab a pot and put it in the pot and put like a towel over and fucking break that shit. Grab your pickle. I'm like, so I'll glass it down with some glass,

a glassy pickle. Why? Every time I tell this story to someone everyone looks at me like I'm insane my pregnant fiance is in a panic

he needs a pickle I'm on the road she's like I need a pickle I'm like we can I'll buy she's like

well what about the juices and everything I'm like well put it in a pot again cover it and you're just pulling out a pickle

there's not gonna be shards of glass everywhere and you're saving the juice if you need it and i'll just buy some new pickles everyone's looking at me like i'm insane i'm trying to get my pregnant fiance some goddamn that was a non-option for me non-starter so then i'm like by the way do you want to know how to do that when you if you're ever in this situation again please i can tell you how so the reason why it's hard to open is because there's negative air pressure in there right that's why it does that yeah yeah right so to get it off if you take a like it fucks up the thing but if you need to get something open take

a knife stab it open a hole in there so the negative air pressure changes and then you can open up easily stab it why didn't you know that that sounds more dangerous to take a fucking knife and stab the top of a jar than taking it outside. And hitting it with a hammer. And pulling out a pickle. Anyway, so I. Wait, hold on. You sound so much like Jerry Seinfeld right there. Hey, Shane hates a mocking pickle.

What's the deal with these jars? Yeah, he does. So I take it outside and I'm like, there's got to be a neighbor. Like checking the mail, taking the trash, something. She's like, of course, Ken. Yeah. And I am like in my little house outfit, you know, just like shorts and like no bra, a little tank top, you know.

Surely a man will come in this outfit. And the UPS man is driving. Yeah, there he is. And I'm like waving him down. I'm on the phone. Yeah. I'm like waving him down in the middle of the street. He stopped.

And I'm like, can you open my pickle shopper? Oh, my God. He's like, am I in a porn right now? Literally, my sister texted me. She was like, he 100% thought he was in a porn. I'm like, he was so fucking mean to me. Was he? Yes.

He was like, he opened it. And then it spilled pickle juice on me he's like now i have fucking pickle juice all over me i'm like okay sorry thanks and like just took it and left but he honestly like could have yeah what like yeah you should be like you know what i was gonna fuck you yeah but not anymore i'm not now it's not happening my husband has gone to work and i was. Anyway, so. Yeah, that happened. That was the only like strong.

But hold on. Did you get a pickle? Yes. Oh yeah, because he opened it. Yes, he opened it for me and I ran inside. And he begrudgingly squealed off. Yeah. Yeah.

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decided to use an old clip of Demi and Brandon jet skiing? Is this season so boring that they needed to pull old footage? But can you help the audience out? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I can see that they're blurred out, or it's blurry. So whatever.

It's not a boring season. And I think that we do have a see-do date. So I don't know why. I think they just got lazy. Maybe we, we can get excited about this season. It's good. I can tell you this.

Um, I am a little frustrated. They spoiled a lot. God are the days of like, we don't tell you who's coming down the beach until the episode starts, but they released all the, the first day's faces, which we've never done in the past.

That was always like you had to wait until that first episode. I don't know half of them. Yeah, you do. But I don't remember. I just feel like they're... I mean, like, it's all the stars from the most recent seasons,

if you've been watching it. The other thing that they did... We have. I guess it's... But maybe... Well, I mean, like, Aaron's a big star. He's there.

Aaron. From charity season. Yeah. Aaron Bryant. B, he was like third place or second place. I don't know. I guess I'm just not seeing star. Braden's there. He's kind of a big name.

Braden. Braden. We have Braden fans here. I have too. Yeah. And that might be controversial. I don't think Aaron's a star, but I get what you're saying. I mean, wait till the season starts.

I mean, I know how it goes. But Brayden's good because Brayden's a TV maker. And so I appreciate that. He looks ridiculous with his earrings and his scarves and everything. But he is down to enjoy himself in paradise, which I think is an important thing. Yeah, there are a lot of stars like going back to they released the intro of the show before the show started, which is great. But I'm like, usually you don't even see that in the first episode because you don't know who's coming down. So you can't see the intro because then you'd be like, oh, I know Kat's coming and I know so and so is coming. But they released that. So I was like, man, OK, so the whole first episode, it's kind like oh I know cat's coming and I know so and so's coming but they released that so I was like

man okay so the whole first episode it's kind of like we know what's happening but like in this day and age of DVR and streaming and TikTok like I think we're going in a like a different direction of like how we're promoting the show but I will say this like all the

things that you want from Paradise happen in Paradise we have we have a wedding this season which that doesn't happen every year that's always that's always cool that's always fun there are uh you know weird things that happen on the beach that are either hilarious or sad um you know there's good breakups is there a fall from grace? Is there a fan favorite who you will come to despise? I don't know. Maybe. We have more of a redemption story, which I think is good.

A bad guy turned good. No, yeah, we do have a fall from grace, for sure. And then the whole- Bad guy turned good. Well, is it Brayden I can't say anything actually I probably can because they're releasing

all the stuff before the show starts anyway but then like you know the mission statement of the show is like people get engaged at the end

and I can say that like there is love at the end so it's good okay okay I'm excited we were worried

well I don't think Demi I don't think that the reason why this show is gonna be bad because of Demi on a jet ski I think it's more of it was just more lazy editing the lot the process

was they usually have a lot to work with we hear from every cast member who's ever graced us on this show talk about how there's so much we don't get to see yeah and blah blah blah blah blah, blah, blah, and then have them pull footage from three seasons ago,

which is just like a red flag. I didn't even notice it until I saw Demi tweet about it or whatnot. It would have never even occurred to me. I didn't either. Because the big thing of that teaser is, I think you can tell it's Kat getting getting hit by a wave oh yeah and like absolutely getting fucking demolished and i was there i saw it it was the funniest thing i've ever seen in my entire like it wasn't it wasn't like a little wave like it was nailed them both

they tumbled like not dude they tumbled like 20 feet, like all the way up into that big day bed, you know? And also the girl who can't poop. Yeah, I was so annoyed that they have released that because it was my favorite thing that happened this season and it was so funny. Like, they even show like the doctor talking to her. Who convinced her to agree to that?

It was happening. She was like, I can't shit. Oh, no. Oh, no. And I kept on being like, in my interviews or ITMs, I was like, let me just get her some tap water. We're in Mexico. We can get this out real quick. Just a couple of veggies and some fruit.

Real quick. And they're like, no, we can't. We don't want to be disparaging to Mexico. I'm like, come on. Everyone knows that Mexican water is dangerous. Like what are we doing here? Everyone knows. Yeah.

There's not going to be like, like the president of Mexico is not going to be like, I can't believe you would tell people. What has been your favorite season to film? Like what do you feel like was the most fun you felt? Nick and I had fun before I was even the bartender, Nick and I had fun on season three. I was only there for like six days, but it was my first time getting to meet him.

And there were other seasons. I know that you bartended where you came back and you were like, dude, messy. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I don't know if I think it was like if there's a super messy moment, like the season that from Joe and Serena were, uh, I was like the master of ceremonies and like,

we had to have a shutdown. And then who was it? Ivan, like snuck out of a room. And like, that was to me, that was amazing television. Like that,

that, that happened. It sucked because we didn't have any cameras on it because it was a shutdown, but like I had to confront him to be like, did you sneak out of a room? What? Honestly, this is one of my favorite seasons was my first season bartending, which was season four, which was the year that we had the shutdown. Oh, yeah.

And that sucked because there was this whole scandal and like all of a sudden private eyes and lawyers were involved. And we had to shut down for like 10 days. So we only got to film for 10 days. And the fact that we were able to make a television show in that short period of time, I think, was like a testament to like how good Alon was at making television shows back then. But that one was fun because we had like this weird trauma bond because we all got stuck for like 10 days without filming. So we all had like leave the beach.

And I remember at that time I was living in Sayulita like in a hotel and they'd send a car for me whenever they needed me to come bartend. And so we shut down. They all go back to the Vedanta, which is like the staging hotel,

which is in Puerto Vallarta. So it's like 45 minutes away. And obviously, to no fault of theirs, like they had a lot going on. So everyone goes back over there like five days go by. I'm by myself in Sayulita. I haven't worked. No one's texting me about what's going on.

And I remember texting being like, what's going on, everybody? And they're like, oh, my God, sorry. Well, is everything OK? I'm like, yeah, I'm just a little lonely. What's going on? And they're like, my god sorry wells is everything okay i'm like yeah i'm just a little lonely what's going on and they're like oh we'll send a car for you right now and then it was just everyone hanging out by the pool like waiting to go back to film that was just like a fun season because we all we hung out so much without cameras on us and then there was also this like weird scandal that was happening um yeah really close with everyone yeah and that was at a time those were still like my i was of age of everybody i was

right i'm now i'm now old and i don't think of myself as like old but like this season was the first season that we have like true gen z-ers in there and like the things that they're saying i'm like what the what are you talking about you know yeah and so i think that they'll show it but it's a lot of me making fun of like they keep on saying it's giving i don't know what it's giving it's giving me a fucking headache like what are you talking about it's all about the vibes the vibes there they're not they're they might not be giving and like beige flags are everywhere because a red flag is like you know it's bad but beige you're like i don't know and so why beige beige to me is like a quirk yeah it's neither good nor bad yeah but like why it's an idiosyncrasy of your character Why isn't it like pink?

Because pink would be too close to red Because beige is such a neutral color No, it's like true neutral What is red and green mixed together? That's a science experiment Where is the color wheel? Whatever that color is, that should be It'd probably be some form of brown

But isn't beige flag Is supposed to A brown or gray color. But isn't beige flag is supposed to A brown or gray color. It's like yellow. Okay. What's it supposed to represent? Like, we don't know. It's just like a quirk or like, you know, interesting. It's an idiosyncrasy of your character that is

not normal. But not offensive. Yes. And Nick. No, no. It's not a Nick. I showed you a TikTok video the other day and it was like my wife's beige flag is that she is always she always has some slight headache or her stomach hurts or like her body is like aching in some way or she's like and that is so me where i every day i think i say oh my god like my head hurts my stomach hurts i don't feel good that's like a beige flag my beige flag is i'll start a season of a television show and then won't finish it.

And like that annoys Sarah beyond belief. What are my beige flags? Yeah, there's a lot. I'm like, well, let me just look at my notes app. I don't know. I mean, like leaving cabinet doors open, you know like like that stuff is not like i wouldn't see them like oh my god a red fucking flag you're like it's kind of annoying like i don't know beige flag and then an ick an ick is like nick tripped the other day yeah and it gave me the

trip like not cool oh my god wait do you trip cool of course he does yeah because i'll like do a somersault and I'll pop back up. Did you fall all the way over? You know the opening scene of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory? That's what I did. Right, right. No, he just kind of stumbled on his feet and I just went, ick alert, ick alert, ick alert.

And he was like, what the fuck? He feels so deep-seated. Sorry, I'm just like walking. Sorry, that piece of sidewalk is a little bit more lifted. Came out of nowhere. Wait, Natalie, you should start an Instagram series of like Nick's X. Yeah. No, we should totally do that.

My other one was... Nick's like, yeah, totally. We were in the car and he went over a speed bump and he kind of like lifted out of his seat a little bit. So you didn't like how gravity was acting upon his body. I didn't like how light he looked in that moment. Because why didn't I go up first of all? She wants me to like strangle someone with my bare hands. And like just be super manly.

No, I don't. Wells, I'm not sure you can answer this, manly no I don't yeah no Wells I'm not sure you can answer this but there was something that happened in the last season of Paradise that caught my eye

because it was so similar to Love Island's Casa Amor oh yeah did they like do that on purpose because Love Island is like

so popular nowadays were they just like trying to change up the format like do you think that'll be something that comes back I don't know if I don't think it's coming back this season i can tell you that i remember when we did it um it's funny because sarah hosts love island usa and so

yeah we we separated everybody and it was so funny to me because everyone got so angry like really that's that whole like fuck you, Jesse Palmer. Just so funny. And I was like, they do this every season on Love Island. And they don't say a peep about it. They get excited. They get thrilled. Oh, yeah. They're like, we're in Gotham Park!

Even if their boyfriend, girlfriend said in love, the girls are like, ah! Like, so excited. Yeah. No, I remember when, like, the idea was pitched. And I was like, yeah, we should do that. Like, first of all, Love Island ripped off I was like, yeah, we should do that. Like, first of all, love Island ripped off paradise, like originally.

Right. So we can go rip off some of their good shit. You know, do you and Sarah have like a, like a competition? No, I, I do like,

like this last season of love Island USA is really, really good. It's funny because she was such she is such a bachelor nation fan like loves the show where she will be like i don't like so and so and then i'll be like i've filmed with them they're actually quite nice like you know relax like no i don't like them i don't if i have to meet them it's just not going to be good i'm always like dude chill out and then i was basically what you said about me for years. Yes.

She's come around on Nick. And but then so the same things happen with with her show. I'm watching and I'm like, I do not like that guy. That guy is a bad guy. And she's like, no, he's really quite nice. Like, no, I don't ever want to meet him. Sure, you can say. quite nice like no and i never want to meet him sure you can say i don't so one guy called sarah like that she was being rude like i saw that yeah yeah and there's a i have a couple thoughts on

that first of all it's like dude this is a television show like what do you what do you think's happening like of course the host is going to ask are you sure you want to do this because america and all the audience is like really you're gonna get back together with he's got a hand job like from you know like yeah in a in a single bed no less and so that that's kind of frustrating because if i was if i was in her shoes i would have been like what what are you talking about yeah and but of course she's you know she's so sweet and was kind of like taking it back but like that that frustrated me a little bit and yeah so we it's so funny because we've come full circle with the whole thing of i will

be like they're cool like don't worry and then she'll be like they're cool don't worry and i'm like no i still i don't i don't buy it. That is so funny. Yeah. It is cute because Nick would tell me how much Sarah hated him before. And then at the wedding, she was like, okay, y'all get home safe. Love you. Bye. And I was like, oh, she loves you.

Y'all have come so far. But you were the bad guy for a long time in the Bachelor world. I mean, for like, you know, a season. I feel like for two seasons, you were the bad guy. Oh, sure. Okay you know a season i feel like for two seasons you were the bad guy oh sure okay well i mean a season okay sure well i mean i guess it really depends on who you ask you know i was uh very much the villain on andy's season then i was more polarizing on caitlin's season but people you know yeah but everyone was mad at you because you came in late everyone yeah i mean no this is how I remember it.

No, she fucking hated me. And then you had a redemption on Paradise or something, right? You came back and stole everyone's hearts. Yeah, but then it didn't, but not really though. Sarah's. Well, you were with somebody and then it seemed like you dumped them

to become The Bachelor. So that was the... The tea. Well, that was like the subcontent. If you didn't to become The Bachelor. So that was the... The tea. Well, that was like the subcontent. If you didn't like me, that's what you would use. That's how you would perceive it. No, no, I'm still not coming around.

Fuck him. She loves you now, but that's a problem. Well, it's true. She didn't like you back then, but she's coming for you. Or she's just a very good actress, which she is. Yeah, she is a very good actress.

Not to stir the pot. Just kidding. Speaking of great actress, Sophie Turner. Officially dead. It seems like it's getting a little nasty. Well, what's really sad to me is there's all these stories online about how how she's like a party girl and joe was at home you know like raising the kids while she was out partying which from like her interviews in the past doesn't actually seem to have been the case like she's always been like

i love to be at home like i love the pandemic because i love to be at home joe is like a social butterfly i think he's really sad that this is happening but it's also like a testament to like where are these stories coming from is Is this team putting out these stories? Whether they're true or not, who knows? But they're coming out fairly aggressively. Yeah, like strategic. Yeah, and it feels very strategic. And I don't know who's talking to outlets like TMZ, but someone from their camp.

And maybe it's not, you know, maybe it's not being approved by joe so to speak but like yeah it's it's coming from inside yeah and then the fact that she put out this instagram statement that was like it was just on her instagram then didn't collab they didn't collab but he i did check his it is on his it's the same okay what does the statement say statement from the two of us. After four wonderful years of marriage, we have mutually decided to amicably end our marriage. There are many speculative narratives as to why, but truly this is a united decision and we sincerely hope that everyone can respect our wishes for privacy for us and our children.

Meanwhile, over at TMZ, multiple sources close to Jonas Brothers told TMZ Wednesday that he either overheard the Games of Thrones actress say something or saw her do something via a ring camera that made him realize the marriage was over. What did she do at their door? Kiss someone goodbye? It was you with the UPS man

and the pickle jar. Picklegate. But it's such a bummer that it seems like there's an effort there's efforts being made to win the breakup yeah i mean that's a bummer i don't know if you get to that level of stardom without having like good pr teams on in both camps and so i'm not i guess i'm not surprised by this no i i hear you but there is universe, and maybe we're being naive, where two relatively young people who had a couple of kids together fairly early in their marriage realized, you know, let's

say this statement, the statement they put out, we took it face value. There's a world where it was just like, hey, like maybe we're just not meant to be together forever, but we respect each other. We clearly both love our children. We want what's best for our kids, and let's just try to do it. And I say this, Vanessa and I didn't have a great relationship at all. We both very much struggled. But to her, and I guess my credit, when we broke up, we just, we didn't talk about each other. And we really, like there weren't like leaks coming out of each other's camps. And that's something I've always been grateful for because I think we both just struggled. We weren't happy.

We broke up and we just decided not to make it even worse on each other by trying to win the breakup. And I say this coming from a relationship that wasn't healthy, that didn't have a lot of good in it. You know, obviously it's different. I feel like it's definitely, I always find it interesting when there's children involved and the parents, like even the Kevin Costner stuff,

like they just say such terrible things about the other person. It's like one day your kids will read that you said that about them. Like this is in the like media forever i i hope they stop putting out leaks you know the other thing is that you don't really know what's real and what's not because i mean you you know as well as i do like a lot of times like sources say there's no source it's just like what people think and you can just put something

out under the anonymity of a source, which is not a real thing. That's true. That does happen. But quotes like this, they are coming from someone. Now, that someone could be... The ring stuff? Like the ring camera stuff? Yeah, that's fairly specific.

And it's just like coming from someone who clearly has... I don't know. A source told TMZ. Come on. It's TMZ. That's kind ofZ. Come on. It's TMZ. It's kind of true. Come on. I don't.

And like, do we think whatever this is on the ring camera will ever come to light? Because now it says the details is unknown. But like, do you think someone will maybe leak that footage or? I hope not for both of their sakes. I just, I don't know. And maybe she fucked up. I don't know. But I just, I don't know if you she fucked up I don't know but I just I don't know if you really

need to win the breakup yeah I think it's more of a like they just grew apart and like started to realize that they were not birds of a feather like she was a homebody he obviously is likes to go out and his job is to go out and perform so I understand that and so maybe they were just like you know what we had a good run and let's get out. Let's just move on. Yeah. I hope we're not talking about this in the weeks to come,

like Kev and his... Oh, there's more on Kevin. There's more? Oh, Kev. His wife, well, his ex-wife, has come out and said that she vows

to enter the workforce after child support payments reduced and she's going to look into furthering her education so that she can get a job. Great. Which is sad. Amazing.

Because she's also admitting that her handbag business isn't doing very well. Oh, that's true. She's a handbag designer. She's famously a handbag designer. That's how they refer to her in a lot of these articles. So why isn't she getting the money that she wants? She wants a lot of wealth.

She asks for so much. She asks for like 30 grand more than what she's getting. Then she got less. How much did she get in a month? $60,000. You can live on $60,000 a month. But her rental is $40,000. $40,000 a month.

And her kids are... You break that lease. Their kids have luxury in their DNA. That's what she said. That's what she said. That's actually what her lawyer said. Well, the kids are fine, I assume. Right. They still have dad. College tuition and all that kind of stuff and the best was we covered

this in our reality recap the 40k rental she was like kind of describing it and what is on the property and she said uh what my boys have to share a bathroom and my daughter has to share her bathroom with the rest of the house like aka it's in the hallway and when my guests stay in the pool house they have to come into the main house to use the bathroom yeah it sounds like a shitty piece of property a month i would agree come on what is this about bethany frankel got inspo from oprah and diane yes a good one so obviously we covered bethany frankel's uh interview with rachel levis from vanderpump rules um so she shared some behind the scenes videos of her prep for the interview and what that looked like so

there was a whole out of this there was a whole like daily schedule it said like 9 a.m rachel glam 11 a.m uh bethany glam and then they had their photo shoot to promo the interview in the schedule. 11.30 a.m. Fuck over Rachel. And it literally said on the kind of schedule for the day, photos, inspo, Oprah slash Diane Sawyer style. So that's what they were trying to channel. She put that out? Yes. Wow.

Not to completely go on a left turn here, but have you seen all the drama with the Oprah and the Rock trying to raise money in Hawaii? Yeah, a little bit. No. The Rock said he donated $5 million and then Oprah was also, but then Oprah released a video trying to explain why it's not going directly to- So it's similar to, I watched this great thing on Netflix about the Johnny Depp case. I'm not sure if you guys saw it. It's similar to that where, like,

they've pledged a bunch of money. And so that doesn't mean that they've given it. But I guess the thing that everyone's upset about is that Oprah and The Rock have asked people to donate whilst being billionaires. And then the most interesting thing i saw and this could all be wrong from tiktok um but jason momoa came out and was like this isn't right like you shouldn't be asking

people to donate when you have all this money and all this stuff but they haven't actually donated they've pledged it yeah so i assume that they're going to but anyways it's it's not a great look for Oprah and- Or The Rock. Or The Rock. Who are like two of the most- Wealthy people in Hollywood. And also I feel like just respected people, no?

I mean, they're like- They have a good brand. Right? They've got a pretty good reputation, and this is very unlike their character. It would be like if Wells pledged money. It would be like if Wells pledged money. Yeah. If I pledged money, they'd be like if wells it would be like if wells pledged money yeah yeah if i pledged money

they like figures he was a villain on all the fucking seasons that's what villains do are we ready for uh texting office hours yes okay well speaking of sarah and your guys's love stories i have chosen a texting office hours caller that i Well, speaking of Sarah and your guys' love stories, I have chosen a texting office hours caller that I thought would be very fitting because, as we know, Natalie and Nick met

via Instagram DM and Wells and Sarah met on Twitter during the summer of 2017 while Wells was a bartender on Bachelor in Paradise. Fans quickly took note of the two flirting publicly.

So. Yes. I think we will all enjoy this caller who has successfully slid into a DM. But needs to take it to the next step.

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So I successfully slid into a podcaster's DM and don't know how to go to the next level. Woo! We love that. Yeah. We love a DM slide. Do we know this person? Do I know this person? Possibly.

Okay. I think you might might i don't know if the girls will oh great all right but like how how much do you trust us because like we definitely won't we definitely won't air it but we also want to know so she told us who it is but you can't know um sorry all right um what do you mean by successful so just because like he's had a podcast like i've um followed him for like a little bit and then kind of just like one day he was like oh it's scary like we're both single like why not what's the it can't hurt so i kind of just like split in and we started talking um his company did like a

little bit of a relocation so where he was originally living I was only like 30 minutes away from so it wasn't like that big of a deal but like he was very honest about like hey like I'm relocating in like two months so I didn't want he didn't want to like start anything but I'm relocating due to a job soon because of it and it's actually closer to where he is now i kind of want to like shoot my shot and like he recently was in a city that i frequent i go to a decent amount and he like reached out to me like hey do you happen to be here this weekend just because like i finally like we haven't met yet so it's like do i even try or wait he reached out to you he reached out to her and said what was

your first message yeah to him mine to nick was your unreal so like it doesn't have to be that creative um my very first one was just like in relation to the podcast. Okay. So he reached out to you and, and wanted you to come meet up with him at this, at this other city. Did, did you not want to do it? So he, he was there for a bachelor party.

So he only like reached out once he was already there. Cause he was like, I didn't know like what the itinerary was going to be like. So I didn't want to ask you to come in advance if like, I wasn't going to actually be able to spend time with you but like they ended up having like a half day free so it was like do you just happen to be here and i wasn't um but now that we're going to be living closer to each other how long ago was that how long ago was that and then what happened after you were like oh no sorry unfortunately I'm not like how long ago

was that two weeks two weeks and has there been any dialogue between the two of you since then yeah so like

we pretty much like talk like almost every day every other day okay and then I was supposed to go actually to the city

that now he lives in for a girls trip in October but plans have changed and I'm not doing that so I kind of want to be like all right look this trip got canceled but I'm still willing to come out like I'm okay with like getting a hotel room like you know so there's not that pressure but I don't really know if I should

do it that way or like really what to do what are y'all talking about like could you read us a couple of your messages oh my god we really just like talk about, like it's so weird. Like we talk about like a little bit of everything. Like it's just natural. Like y'all just have natural, organic conversations. I want to hear the vibe, you know,

I want to. Well, the vibe, you know what the vibe is? Cause he's, he's been wanting to meet up with her a bunch of times now. Yeah. And also going on a bachelor party and taking time out of a bachelor party to go hang out

with someone else. That, that means something to me because when I'm on a bachelor party and taking time out of a bachelor party to go hang out with someone else, that means something to me. Because when I'm on a bachelor party, one, the unwritten rule of a bachelor party is you never- Bros before hoes. You never go hang out with some chick. You never bring some chick back to the bachelor party. And the fact that he wants to do that means that I think he's into it.

That's my thought. Well, it certainly means he's down to have sex, for sure. my thoughts well it certainly means he's down to have sex for sure i don't i'm not saying that's all it means but you could go to a bachelor party and kind of get all horned up so to speak and not want to you know pay for the stripper or or you know things like that and then think oh well there's this girl i've been talking to you know yeah so like even when i told him about like the possible girls weekend because i had told him that because he's like any chance you have to be coming this way anytime soon so when i told him that he was like so does this mean i'll finally be able to like get to meet you and like will we be able to like at least grab a drink at

the very least and i was like it's all right now tbD and like up in the air, but I'll definitely keep you posted. You said that to him? Yeah. Okay. I love that. But now that trip isn't happening. Okay. You haven't updated him on the fact that the girls trip isn't happening yet?

Yeah. Because I don't know if I should kind of just be like, so this trip isn't happening, but I'm still down to like come out. Are you FaceTiming at all? Yeah. We FaceTime more than we text to be honest okay yeah has there been any sexting of any kind just flirting not like dirty no dick pic or anything yeah no no no respectable yeah there's a lot of times with like because of his job he's so busy that like he'll be like hey can you jump on like a quick facetime or can i just call you like it's easier than just going back and forth and texting and this is happening almost

every day maybe three days in between at the max but yeah so there's regular yeah okay yeah nothing and like he reaches out a lot first too so what what is your hesitancy like i'm glad you called and we're happy to help but like why do you feel like you have to think about this or kind of overthink it so because like when it was like just a girl trip it was kind of like okay you're already gonna be here let's just grab a quick drink and see if we even vibe now it'd be like i don't even know you and i'm flying to a different city for you and like i think i don't want to like come on too strong of him. Like thinking like, oh, she's just going to want to come here, stay here for a weekend. Like kind of jump into something where like, I'm like, no, no, no, no.

Like that's not it. But like, I don't really know how to word something like that. Do you already have the flight or like still have the flight there because of the girls trip? No, no, no. So the flight was never booked. We were dating and it just didn't work out so do you have any friends who live in the city um not really so natalie lied about like gonna go visit some friends when we first met she's like i have a ton of friends

to visit and i was like sure go ahead you have no friends no it wasn't like that but we both knew that she we i i had given him two weekends that we were considering and he was like I'll be around this one not the other one so like I kind of wanted to be like okay so we're coming here this weekend and then just like you should just say hey I'm gonna be in town this weekend like would love to like you don't need to necessarily

give him like your itinerary and like your like what you know all of your plans are just be like hey I'm gonna be in town like would love to grab a drink or dinner or whatever and then obviously the next day if he's free you can be like yeah i'm free too like i don't know no yeah i don't i disagree with that really yeah that's exactly what i did to nick but yeah but it made me think you were a little sketchy yeah i would think the same thing if i was in this guy's shoes and i she was there under the pretense of this girl's trip and then we're hanging out every day and I'd be like, what's going on with this girl's trip?

Like, are you not going to hang out with them at all? And then she has to explain herself. Then that does come across as like. Like, I didn't want to lie. No, I think she can say that the girl's trip is canceled, but then just be like, but I'm still going to come to town. Yeah, I agree. She I think the one lie you can tell is I already booked the flights. Yeah. That's why I asked that question. Why do we need to lie about that? Yeah, I agree. I think the one lie you can tell is I already booked the flights. Yeah. That's why

I asked that question. Why do we need to lie about that? Yeah, you're right. I'm open to any option, but I'm just curious as to why. The reason why I'm so hesitant is because of his following. I didn't want him to come on too strong or be like, what's this girl up to?

He responded to you. He's reaching out to you on a regular basis you're not the first you're not the first girl who slid into his dms and i guess what i'm saying i remember when that like we you know and natalie and i were like kind of feeling each other out when we were like trying to like decide whether we wanted to meet up but like i do remember natalie like mentioning about like oh i have some friends to friends of his. And I just remember thinking, you know, we're, we're playing this game, but as someone who like this person, you know, had some, wasn't the public eye and had a show like it, I just, in general,

it's always makes you feel nervous when you get a sense that they're not just being fully transparent. Yeah. Granted, I met Natalie and she very much calmed my nerves like once I met up with her, you know, but I didn't know her and we had only talked. We were talking on a regular basis. So like the best thing I think you can do

is just, you know, be honest. And you're talking every day. You're FaceTiming. I don't think it's nuts for you to be like, listen, girl's trip fell through. And then if in the same sentence from a day later, you can be like, I don't know. I don't know if this sounds crazy, but like, yeah,

like I know we've tried to meet up a couple of times, but like, I wanna like, I wanna meet you. Like, think about it. What's crazier? Actually saying to this guy who you've been talking to on a regular basis that you're willing to get on a plane that's a couple hundred bucks and go see him or is it more crazy to regularly facetime each other having never met and continue to do so with no intention of ever meeting up i think the latter

is actually a little nuttier no same and i wanted a guy's perspective that's why i'm here because that's exactly what i was thinking isn't it just just crazy? Or just why keep FaceTiming we'll hook up or are you more reserved in that department typically i'm more reserved okay have you guys talked about stuff like that um a little bit yeah okay you know you do run the risk of getting on a plane and flying to see a guy and having the expectations you know be around sex and i think again confidence is always attractive i think there's nothing wrong with saying if if you hit him up and say listen the girl ship fell through i'd still love to meet you and he's like you know what honestly if you're willing to come i'd love to hang out and you're like cool i think there's something to be said between now and when you get on the plane to say like

setting expectations. Like, hey, you seem great, but I want to make sure, tell him what's not going to happen. That's fine. And if he gives you a weird vibe, then you can decide not to go. No guy worth your time is going to reach out to you on a regular basis, FaceTime you, have you come out. And even if you express some reluctance about the expectations of any type of physicality in the relationship uh he's not going to be a dick if he's worth your

time right and i i don't think you should overthink it and i don't think you should try to come up with something some story that's not going to make sense to him later and have him go wait did you i thought you said something different like a week ago. Yeah. Like you don't want to give, you don't want to give him a reason to think you're not being fully straight with him. If he's reaching out to you,

there is some interest. I don't know if there's an interest more than a physical hookup. I don't know. You'll have to figure it out for yourself, but I don't think he's going to panic if you're like, yeah, I want to see you. And if he does, then, then you know where you stand, right? If he's going to panic if you're like, yeah, I want to see you. And if he does,

then, then you know where you stand, right? If he's like, whoa, I don't know about that. Then it's like, okay,

you're wasting my time. Then I don't know why we're FaceTiming. Yeah. It would be weird for him to say no. Yeah. Right. That's true. But yeah,

I agree. I agree with what he, what Nick is saying and just say, Hey, listen, bro. Um, like the girl's trip fell through, but I was really excited to meet you.

And I still have that weekend open. I was thinking maybe I should still come there and we can get a drink and hang out. You know, what do you say? And I'm sure he'll be like, hell, yeah, come. And then you're going to be like, OK. I'm sure he'll be like, hell yeah, come. And then you're going to be like, okay. No, what you could do, you could say, hey, listen, I want to come.

I'm going to book my own hotel. And, you know, like, I just want to have like a fun weekend in this city and kind of set the expectations. Don't lie. Don't be like, I have a ton of people to see. But just you want to go to the city as an independent person and go have fun. And if he's available, you want to hang out with him. But don't oversell it, because if you're he's available, you want to hang out with him. But don't oversell it because if you're going to go, you want to hang out with him. You don't want to sound like you have plans so much.

But I'm just saying, hey, I'm going to get a hotel room. It is more like that's you setting the expectation that you're not planning on crashing at his place. You're not planning on playing house for a weekend. And maybe you can make a joke. I'm going to get a hotel room because if you if you if you make it weird when i first meet you yeah you know kind of tease him you know like acknowledge that it might be fucking weird and he might be weird and that he might murder you or you know like make a joke about it you know because that

usually will break the ice like nally and i joked about that where i was just like don't murder me you know and she was like same you know and I joked about that, where I was just like, don't murder me, you know? And she was like, same, you know? And like acknowledge the fact that you're two people who have never met each other, and you're doing this kind of little slightly crazy thing about getting on a plane into a city of a guy you never met. Just acknowledge it.

And usually we acknowledge the awkwardness in a situation. It makes things less awkward, I have found. So what do we think she should text him? Are you going to call him or FaceTime him? Do we think she should text this? I just want to say, should I just do it when we talk on the phone next, you think? Yeah. Yeah.

I think so. Just bring it up naturally. Be like, hey, exactly what they've said. Girl's trip kind of fell through, but I'm still down. I'm sure during that conversation, there will be something brought up about how we haven't met or wanting to meet. What if, just for fun, I just think maybe we text him and just say, Girls Trip fell through, but I still want to see you. And see what he says. Do y'all text a lot?

Or is your natural form of communication FaceTime? We text sometimes, but if we text, it's typically a little bit later just because of work hours and stuff like that. But you FaceTime mainly? Yeah, it's just easier because there is a time zone change between him and I. So sometimes it's easier to just hop on and FaceTime.

I think everyone's overthinking it I think That next time you FaceTime Because I'm sure he's he is Probably anticipating and looking forward to this Girls trip because he gets to meet you so next Time you guys are FaceTiming I think you should just be like Yeah so the girls trip fell through but I saw that Weekend open and I was looking forward

To seeing you what are your thoughts on Me coming out there I'm gonna get my own Hotel room so don't don't worry about like having to put me up uh like but what do you think and if he's like yeah i was looking forward to seeing you then it's easy and if he's like i don't know then you can be like okay i don't know what we're doing here and are we just gonna facetime forever that's kind of what i was thinking too but i wanted like your guys' perspective. I think whatever you're most comfortable with is fine. I think texting is fine.

Face time is a little harder. I mean people nowadays just have a hard time. It's a little more awkward. It's easier to text anything. No? Yeah but she says her main communication with him generally is the most comfortable on FaceTime. I'm just saying. It's also great to do it on FaceTime because you can see his face.

That's true. And see how he responds. Texting is always ambiguous. You don't really know how. Or you could say, hey, girl's trip fell through. And then see how he reacts. He could just be like, oh, bummer. I was looking forward to seeing you.

Yeah, but you said confidence is attractive. I'm throwing out options here. No, I my decision this is what it is just call them up and say i love you yeah basically no i love you i love you so much uh well we need an update for sure okay yeah all right but i don't think it's crazy. I think nowadays, honestly, more and more people are meeting like this and they're meeting in long distance situations. You know, it's, it's this weird thing where social media and dating apps give us all this access to people, you know, you can match with them, you can sign anyone's DM and we might as well take advantage of that because people aren't unfortunately going out as much to bars or just social activities and having the courage to walk up with someone. And people will just figure it out.

You can get on a plane. The world is smaller. It's not that great. Everyone's doing what you're thinking about doing. So it's just not that weird. And the fact that you guys are communicating on a regular basis basis it's getting to the point where it's more weird that you haven't done this yet give us an update yeah good luck

you got it bye I think that is about it well other than what Tom Tom Sandoval is playing hero at their rap party what does that mean there is this video that's floating around

and it was like they're all dressed up at some gala, a ball, or whatever, and then some fan throws a chair or something and... Here, watch this. Someone throws a wine at somebody. And then he picks up the chair to keep him.

This guy, that's nuts. By the way, have you ever watched Vanderpump Rules? Oh my God, yes. Okay, so Sarah recently started watching the entire thing. So I am watching it. Yeah, we've been watching it since season one. We went back. Really?

We're recapping. And a lot of people throw glasses of water and stuff at people. And that to me is crazy because that is not a normal thing. No. I don't know if I've ever really seen that. I kind of want to do it though. Yeah, but like, what if you're wearing

something really nice? But also, this is different because it's not just the water. It's the full glass. Yeah. It's not even just the liquid.

He loses a cup. They're obviously filming here. Yeah. Like, this is obviously for the show. You don't think, so you think this is staged? Yes.

I wonder who this guy is. I mean, he gets like choked out by that guy. Yeah, I wonder who he is. But it was Tom Sandoval rushing to the scene. Well, you know. Why are all these flowers and things already on the ground? They were already thrown and stuff.

This has already been a messy night. Mid-fight. I never thought it would be a man without socks on. And who is that? Why is he there? Coming to the rescue. Stay tuned to find out whoa are you liking vanderpump yeah it's it's it's fine it's fine i don't i i don't i feel bad because my manager reps like all of them i know so i have to like hear all the stuff that he's having to deal with what is your manager think he's uh tom sandoval what's your manager think

of tom sandoval? He loves him. He reps him. I don't know. Yeah, I just feel bad for my manager because he's like, I got to deal with. I'm busy. Yeah, I got to go. I'm like, okay, are you ever going to need. Have time for me?

Need to talk to me about a job or something? Anything? Yeah, no, I think it's good. I don't really have thoughts on it. I really don't care. I really enjoy the show. Well, could you imagine having a six inchinch surgical tool found inside of your body 18 months after having a C-section?

That was a big, crazy turn of events. Could you imagine, though? No, I couldn't imagine that. I learned this from Natalie last night. If it happens, it's the surgical technologist's fault. Oh, yeah. They didn't. I mean, the doctor obviously takes fault with the family and whoever, but I would get in

a lot of trouble because you have to count everything before. Oh, because this is your job. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So you have to count it all before the body's completely sewed up. You do like three separate counts of all the instruments. Why are you leaving stuff in there, though?

Yeah. It was a retractor. So it's something that you use to hold. Completely sewed up. You do like three separate counts of all the instruments. Why are you leaving stuff in there though? Yeah. Like what? I don't know. It was a retractor. So it's something that you use to like hold. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Body open. And I guess they just like reckless. Have you ever seen something like that? Normally it's like laps or like gauze. Yeah. You know, that gets left in people. But I've seen it like twice. Not my cases because I'm obviously perfect um duh but i

have like heard of it in the hospital they'd be like we have a this is what's going on in this room or this or we got to take this lap out yeah but a six inch tool that'd be painful here's my question when you cut someone open to do a surgery does it stop bleeding or is it just always bleeding no you have like um a bovie which is a cautery and you like burn the little vessels so it's all around it yeah okay so you're constantly using that to like stop the bleeding oh really and then so then when you sew them back up that heals and then all of a sudden they work again uh i mean yeah there's just also like you have so many that it's not really. Because my thought would be like, this guy, like, he won't stop bleeding.

Like, how can you see anything? Right, right. So I cut myself, it bleeds until whatever. Yeah, so typically, and sometimes there's so much blood, you can't even see where it's coming from. Yeah. So you just. So you just burn everything. Well, you use like.

Blowtorch. Like tweezers, and you just pinch where you think it is, and then you put the cautery on that metal thing and it just burns the entire area. So you're just like trying to get that to stop. What's the grossest thing you've seen? Oh my gosh. What's something that made you go... I was in a vascular surgery once and we cut the entire leg open and there was a bunch of holes in this one vein. So we were basically sewing up all the holes.

I don't remember his diagnosis. I don't really ever get to know that. Yeah. So he had holes in his veins. Yes. So we had cut his entire leg open and the surgeon handed me the end of his vein out of his body. And it was like pulsing. I felt like the heartbeat.

And you had to like pinch it so it wouldn't be spurting blood? I just like held it outside of the, and he was just like working on the other one. But I'm just like holding his vein and it's throbbing and pulsing. And yeah, that was pretty early. Is your vein blue? When you're holding it, is it still blue or is it red? No, it's like a pale-y color, kind of. It is?

Yeah. It's like a fleshy color. Now that everyone's left the show, because they're all grossed out. Bye! Speaking of gross, did you see the diarrhea plane footage? Oh, yeah. I heard the audio. Oh, yeah.

I was there. It was you. It was me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was coming back from Joe's wedding. I shit all over myself. They had to like change the carpet. Would you ever shit in a plane?

Have you shit in a plane? I shit every time I go on a plane. Really? It like stops your bowel movement. You mean just like normal in the toilet? Yeah. On the airplane toilet. No, no, no, no, no.

This particular story, he shit like all over the story. Oh, I know. But I'm saying is Nick's question just as simple as it sounds? I would never. You've never shit in a plane? No. How do you control it? Yeah, what are you going to do?

Your base... My body says not here. Yeah. My body knows better. This is yuck. Yuck. Yuck. Oh, yeah, I'll shit in a plane.

I don't need to be like, say it's tight and like, no. It's true. Yeah. This person couldn't even make it to the restroom? You know, that would be my nightmare to walk out of the bathroom and be like, yeah, don't this person couldn't even make it to the restroom you know like that would be my nightmare to walk out of the bathroom

and be like yeah don't go in could you imagine you don't you can't control it like this person I've shit my own pants like it's not

controllable this person just did this in the middle of like their seat or like the person around them I think they had a you know bad fish

and I don't yeah sometimes you shit yourself sometimes you got holes in your veins think they had a, you know, bad fish. And I don't. Yeah, sometimes you shit yourself. Sometimes you got holes in your veins. And they had to land. That is like, that person probably felt so much shame. Sure. Oh my God. You probably can't control it.

How do you recover from that though? Do you want to hear a funny story? Duh. So speaking of shitting your pants. So in our house, we have have cameras obviously for security reasons and stuff but a lot of it yeah exactly but a lot of it's for like um to watch the dog like when we're gone like to make sure boo's doing okay yeah and so sarah's in fiji filming love island and i'm just at home and i'm watching tv and then i go upstairs and uh I go to the bathroom and then I get a call from Sarah and she goes, what are you doing?

And I was like, well, I'm changing and I'm about to go on a run. And she goes, yeah, but what were you doing? And I was like, nothing. And she goes, it looks like you were taking a dick pic on the cameras downstairs and she was like so i thought i was gonna get a dick pic and then i didn't so what are you doing and i was where'd the dick pic go yeah i said okay fine we have to do this no i have to be honest with you no i farted and i thought i shit myself. So I got up and I was wearing shorts.

And so I went like this, but I'm holding my phone. With a flashlight? No, I was holding my phone and I go like this to make sure that I hadn't shit my pants. And I hadn't, but it looks like I take a dick pic and then I walk off. That's like a weird dick pic. Just like a little sweat pant version. I'll'll show you the video I've got it I've got the video please but like so it's it's my the video shows my back so I'm like walking away with my phone that I go like this so you can see I'm holding my phone anyways um so those cameras need to leave our

house that's love yeah yeah I, sometimes you have a questionable fart. Yes. You know what? Nick definitely. Is it lonely in your ivory tower of perfection? You've never sharted a little bit? I mean, ever? Sure.

Yeah. Okay. Or thought you had, like, you're like, oh, that's questionable. No, one came to mind, but it's a TMI story. All right. Well. Well, I suppose everything well yeah yeah it was i was i was having a it was a long time ago and i was rendezvousing with uh okay a lady we hate a bn story what we hate a bn story yeah yeah i had a hot dog at the airport well That was your first mistake. In Chicago.

And I had to leave the... I went down to the hotel lobby to... Oh, yeah. To, like, handle the situation and threw away those underwear. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. By the way, I'm married now, and, like, my wife has seen everything.

She's just seen me think I shit myself on... On the camera. But I still, if I have a... If I know it going to be a bad poop and then we're at the hotel, I will go and use. That is polite. At Joe and Serena's wedding, that poor spa bathroom. Oh, no. I've seen some shit, literally. They're like, oh, fuck.

Wells is back. Oh, yeah. No, sir. We're closed. We're closed. Especially in New York. You're not using the sauna close we're close especially in New York you're not using the sauna those rooms are small in New York

so yeah I'm definitely going down to the hotel lobby I think it's a good play yeah that's love that is love Nick also just like

weaves just separate toilets yeah you know like I just don't even wanna I don't need to know yeah but in hotels like you have to use

the hotel lobby the spa at the Charleston place but not a fucking plane not a plane yeah that is terrible you can't control it you just can't get comfortable in that tight room

people knock in like waiting there's a line waiting for you the lighting in there is great that mirror I've never looked better

than I do in the there's nothing worse than being rushed when you're going number two I'll take my time that's what I'm saying but like

people knocking the pressure I just would be like oh the worst no one knocks I can see it's not vacant but then you know

you open that door and there's a line of people like waiting around the door oh no that is yeah that's rough anyway

Wells always a pleasure I'm sorry I feel like I ruined this entire show in the last 30 minutes thank you for having me on it's always good to see you guys

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