The Viall Files - E645 Going Deeper with Raven-Symoné and Miranda Maday Plus Special Forces and Travis Talks Taylor

Episode Date: September 28, 2023

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Going Deeper Edition! First, the household gets together to discuss some recent pop culture headlines - like the Special Forces Premiere, Travis Kelce addressing Taylor Swift attending his game, and what Sophie Turner DM’d Nick. Then, we are joined by Raven-Symoné and Miranda Maday to talk about their relationship, signing NDAs, growing up in the spotlight, and if we can expect Raven to star in Princess Diaries 3. We also have a Texting Office Hours caller who needs help getting her husband to sign divorce papers.  “My wife is so not phased by who I am.”  VOTE for Nick as Sexiest Podcast Host here: https://people.com/sexiest-men-alive-poll-2023-7964300 Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Join us for our new LIVE show on Thursdays at 9PM ET/6PM PT on Amp, available in the Apple app store. Android User? Listen here: https://www.onamp.com/   To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: NutriSense - Visit https://www.nutrisense.com/viall and use code VIALL to start decoding your body's messages, and pave the way for a healthier life!  Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @ravensymone @mirandamaday @alison.vandam @liffordthebigreddog @dereklanerussell @genevievegoodman 

what's going on everybody welcome back to another new and exciting episode of the vile files going deeper edition i'm your host nick joined by the, it's a full one, Allie, Amanda, Al, or my A's, Allie, Amanda Genevieve. I'm my fiance, a pop culture correspondent, Allie Joy, and Derek. Wow, that's a mouthful. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Where's Kiki? Right here. What's up, Kiks?

What a great episode we have for you all today. Lots to get into. Also, it's my birthday tomorrow. Well, today, if you're listening. If you're listening to this on Thursday, it's Nick's birthday. Lots to get into. Also, it's my birthday tomorrow. Well, today, if you're listening. If you're listening to this on Thursday, it's next birthday. Whatever.

Moving on. It's a national holiday. Happy birthday. The man brings it up and then says whatever. Yeah. It's my birthday, but like, it's fine.

I don't want to make it a thing. Don't worry. I don't want to make it a thing. You don't have to leave a five-star review. Honestly, you know what? Leave a five-star review if you want to.

Describe to VowPause. What? Yeah. Well,owPals+. Yeah. Well, yeah. That'd be great. Then Nick can buy himself a little present. Yeah. The more subscriptions, the more he gets to treat himself. No, no, no.

I got to keep the lights on. He's got to pay for this baby. Yeah. It's true. It's true. Can people still vote? Sexy podcast man. Can people still vote? I don't know. They podcast man can people still vote i don't know

they announce it november 8th i don't know voting's still open well if check out that's a good birthday gift yeah if uh you can vote for me for sexiest podcaster in the world for people magazine periods why does that feel like such a funny category like podcast because it is maybe because it's just like an auditory medium so you don't usually think about like kind of More visual energy Even when people say you have a voice For radio It's like not a compliment I'll take it

I actually haven't voted yet I know I'm doing it now Sexiest athlete Travis Kelsey Thank god I waited to vote because I would have done Joe Burrow but I have to do because I would have done Joe Burrow, but I have to do my boy Travis. He's our dad now.

We have a new dad. He's your daddy. We were children of divorce and now we have a new dad. Kevin Costner is our daddy. You can keep him to yourself. Billy is our daddy. Kelsey is dad. Travis is our dad. Do we want to start with Special Forces or Do we want to start with Travis Kelsey?

God, that's a difficult question. Special Forces, right? Like, we're fresh off the press of the premiere. Exciting. What'd you guys think? I hope, if you haven't watched, it's available on Hulu. So go check it out. It was a lot of fun to watch.

You know, it's the first episode. You know, I was reminded of, like, being back on TV of just, like, you know it's the first episode you know i was reminded of like being back on tv of just like you know they're making a tv show and just the the subtle editing that kind of goes into it like the order in which we you know went on the trinesium um and things like that like jojo's interrogation like her getting emotional like we were there for one day at this point watching it back but they made it seem like she was already crying missing her family and slightly taking out a content like it made sense to me based off of what i knew but they made it seem a bit you know premature for her tears but you know they're telling a story what are you gonna do in the

moment do you feel like when filming was happening, you had a sense of the central kind of moments that would be big for people or who would be featured a lot early on, or is it just a dice roll? I was honestly kind of surprised that Tom Sandoval wasn't on it as much. It was just him being like,

I want to be punished. It was Billy being like, him being like, what's your name? And him being like, Tom. And him going, what's a Tom? What kind of question was that? Billy. I'm from reality TV. Welcome to fucking reality.

Us every morning showing up to work. Love JoJo. JoJo, they seem to focus on developing her storyline. Obviously, Tara was some wonderful comic relief. She was great and vulnerable at the same time. We're hoping to get Tara on the show soon. The legendary Tara Reid.

But yeah, I was a little surprised that you got Tom Sandoval there on the height of Vanderpump, and it's a compelling storyline. That was always going to be my question. How much B storylines are they going to involve just because so much has already cut out? You know, like, it's the frustrating part of watching this shit is, like, how long it takes for them to torture us. Like, at the end, they call the B sting. When they bring us out, we are all carrying those rocks and shit. They call those B stings.

And it's just anything they do on the course where they just basically torture us that shit lasted like 45 minutes you know building the rock of yeah essentially you know we had the rock over our head and then we had to like carry it uh and do like bear crawls and like you know duck walks you saw us like squatting and lunges just all around over and under over and under like three or four times and then burpees and And they showed all that, but it's just like, it took forever to do. And we were just absolutely gassed. I mean, you know, they showed Des throwing up

and they showed me just kind of exhausted. So I think they did a good job of like, showing that we got our asses kicked, but it's just like having lived through it. It was like, it was so much harder than it looks. Can I ask for the, the Angela and Brian Austin green moment? Did that come out of nowhere as much for you guys as it did for us?

Cause all of a sudden I was like, what's happening? I'll be honest after watching it back, I, because it seemed more out of the blue in real time than in watching it. Cause watching it back, it kind of seemed like Brian was kind of fucking with her a little bit. Well,

of course they put in his little soundbite of like i love to poke the bear yeah sure right a clever but brian didn't really do anything you know and then you know yeah it was he was like keep looking at me like that with your attitude yeah i mean he was definitely fucking with her and then not me when they started Fighting like kind of like looking at my Like cot and like kicking the Awkwardly like kicking my bed as if like I'm fixing it It was like when your parents were arguing and you

Were like I just am getting water because you wanted to hear What they had to say so you're just like acting like you're doing Yeah I was just trying to keep myself busy Or when your friend's like mom Is yelling at her and like you're in the backseat Of the car like The window has never been more fascinating to me but yeah they didn't uh i don't imagine they're gonna show much of like the night stuff you know the first night the cots were so noisy you know

anytime anyone moved it was just like this big crackle and pop that from the cot so everyone was just it was just like crack crack pop pop pop all night long in the on the cot tara reed loudest snore in the world it was unbelievable everything about this show like i feel like tara reed i have never rooted for someone so quickly and so strongly like seeing her like with the rock like trying to hold it up and having it like on her head and just like straining i was like i root for you that is so dearly yes that is so me yes that the ds is again didn't go fuck they didn't care it was tara reed and her you know 100 pounds whatever yeah oh my god there were so many she just kept pulling i had no idea i had no idea

about that so that was like it was like a magic trick they just kept more cigarettes kept appearing when we were waiting on the trinasium uh to do it because that kind of took forever you know it's just because people have to go and you get harnessed and things like that so it's a lot of standing around we were just like getting cold and shit and then like tom and tyler went to the bathroom and they were just like you know we just got there so we're kind of chill. Right? But this, it's the DS's moment to set the expectation. Tom and Tyler just

got yelled at. It was mostly Tom getting yelled at. You know, they didn't show that. I don't think they're going to show, like, the first night they essentially, you know, Tom you were supposed to, like, they don't really show, like, where we went to the bathroom yet and I'm sure they will. They're just basically outhouses. Like, wooden circles. Like, a lot of slivers it was disgusting you were like sitting

on a fucking like like from wood wood yeah it was like if you moved around ouch oh yeah it wasn't splinters splinter oh i was like splitter thank you because i was like this is definitely some like midwestern thing that I should know and I don't yeah is that the same thing I was envisioning them as the same thing splinter and a splitter a sliver I don't know I just google

no Nick just made it up it's one of Nick's words but I immediately was on board Allie knew Allie's just loyal oh yeah thank you a sliver? Yeah No read the definition bitch

You're just like Yeah No he's right He pays me He's right Says a splinter or sliver Is a foreign body Embedded in the skin

Yeah Thank you Wow Most of these are slivers Or splinters of wood Wow If you know you know The more you know

Yeah Learn something new today Welcome to the midwest Anyways If you had to go to the bathroom In the middle of the night are slivers or splinters of wood wow if you know you know the more you know yeah learn something welcome to the midwest anyways if you had to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night you had to like wake someone up and go so that because you had to go you had to do everything in pairs even to the bathroom in the middle of the night but the first night tom just like wakes up and we did like it just like takes a piss outside of the room like on the ground which honestly like i might have done if i wasn't thinking about it and if i wasn't you know but there's always a time not like listening to the rules it was always kind of getting yelled at for little shit but yeah like the next morning we you know they were like you all stepped out of the cots and into his puddle

of pee i'm sure it evaporated into the ground at that point. But they were just like, hey, listen, this is our compound. And you had like as soldiers, you have to take care of it. You're eating right by here. Like we don't want to get fucking dysentery. If one person gets sick with this shit, everyone gets sick. And it was like, again, they were just teaching us about like how they trained military style. It was really quite fascinating. Yeah.

I wouldn't want anybody pissed into my home. But yeah, the first day, they just kind of... I mean, after that bee sting, they really set the tone. And that's the thing. It showed Brian being like, boy, if they do this kind of bee sting thing tomorrow, I'm gone. And that just kind of set the

tone of after that first day, people were just like, I was destroyed. I had this huge fucking rock. And I didn't know what we were going to do. They were just like, was destroyed i had like this huge fucking rock and i didn't know what we were going to do they were just like you know they're like hey go pick up a rock and i'm assuming they would judge us about the rock but it was just everything was fast so i just a big rock i grabbed something that i just i just literally looked at the first rock and it had edges you know for for grass but i'm like oh i pick this up. And I brought it back and I didn't know what we

were going to do at this point. And then Foxy, one of the DSs, I'm in the back and he just kind of looked at me and kind of like laughed at me with his facial expressions, like kind of like he gave me the you're fucked kind of look. Meanwhile, Tyler, the biggest guy there had this, you know, he didn't know either, had this little rock that was so small that halfway through it broke. It's a pebble. It broke and it was even that much smaller. And what they didn't show when we all got done, they called us out again. And then they made Tyler, Tom and Aaron go pick up rocks. And they were like, you guys picked up rocks smaller than we think you're capable of. And they like had to hold it over their head for like 30 more seconds or something like that you know they kind of got punished and they just kept

yelling at us while they were holding the rocks and they kind of told us how terrible and shitty and sloppy and you know things like that we were and then we finally got to go to bed sexy so more next week we uh run down a wall and we race. You and Tom? I can't say. Oh. Can't say. Speaking of sloppy, have you guys been following the Kim Zolciak, Croy Bierman, Berman divorce drama?

Tell us about it. A little bit. So basically, they've been having this very messy divorce. A lot of it seems to do with financial stuff. There's a lot that he's kind of thrown a lot around about her irresponsible spending. It's contentious and ugly from both sides. But the reason I specifically wanted to bring it up today is that Kim asked the judge to dismiss the divorce on the basis that they were like having a lot of sex together. But she doesn't want to get divorced. No. How does that work? Can you just refuse to get divorced? I mean, stick around and watch out with our texting office hours.

Yeah. Relative to today's show. Yeah. Well, I think they'd already started proceedings. And it really does seem like the financial component is potentially a big motivation in terms of like timing of divorce. But I just thought that was an interesting kind of legal question of like, what does a judge say in a court of them saying like, well, this relationship is live and well, we're having sex with each other versus someone being like, no, it's done. But yes, we are having sex. Well, are they in California?

Yeah, because they have the no fault divorce laws that do not require you to obtain your spouse's signature or vice versa to initiate or advance divorce proceedings. Oh, so you don't. Why are they just like because Joe and Sophie, she said she didn't know that he had filed for divorce until it was like in the public eye.

Yeah. Well, filing and getting a divorce are two different things. Well, I don't know which one it was, but maybe it was the latter. I think it was filing. Well,

the short answer is you cannot refuse to get divorced. So he must be on board with this. He must be like, yeah, like we are kind of having a lot of sex. Like maybe. Like, what is he saying? He's saying he's like, yeah, we're having a lot of sex, but it doesn't matter.

Like, I still want a divorce. Oh, if your spouse refuses to sign the divorce papers or give consent, you must prove the breakdown of the marriage. So maybe he can't prove the breakdown of the marriage if they're still having sex. And also, like, why is they're still having sex and also like why is wouldn't he stop yeah like hate fucking right now messy it feels really really messy yeah i mean i guess it'd be messier to have sex with someone else at this point but still well i don't really know how the breakdown of the marriage well you know i don't know how the court system nowadays kind of views sex, like, you know, depending your faith and ideology, like, you know, if you get married in the Catholic church, so to speak, they take that shit pretty seriously. And yeah, if you're still fucking,

it's more like, well, clearly there seems to be something there. Go figure your shit out and work it out, you know, type of thing. But, you know, nowadays, I mean, people are kind of treating marriage is like, you know, like a six month fling where it's like, yeah, you know, I don't know. I'm over it, you know, type of thing. So it's a dice roll because marriage is like you know like a six-month fling where it's like yeah you know i don't know i'm over it you know type of thing so it's a dice roll because i feel like there's like people who are like going into it with like the mindset of like parents like my parents have been married for 40 years like this is sacred i know how scary it is that or like that divorce rates are getting higher so it feels like scary and i'm determined to make it work and then i think there's people who are like stop fucking dude yeah well but then it also says that you can allow your spouse like the courts will allow the spouse to move forward with the divorce without you and what that means is that they'll get everything

they ask for so that sucks oh so if you should come to the table if you don't participate in divorce you could get screwed yeah like you wouldn't get custody, child support. Like I think she wants the case like dismissed not because of that. So she's like, I just want the case to be like not being heard by the court. But if it is heard by the court, I'm sure she would show up for that. I think she might need to talk to her lawyer. Yeah. Yeah.

We absolutely need some lawyers. Some other people talking about lawyers in the midst of messy divorces. Sophie Turner and Joe. The latest on that is that they are trying to battle it out whether this case is heard in the UK or the US. Like home court advantage. Exactly. Yeah. Literal court.

And do we that that's where it's at? That's kind of like where they're at right now is like there's this like back and forth about where, you know, there was Sophie saying he's violating international kidnapping laws by like not giving our kids our passport when she wanted to take them back to the UK. But then the judge ruled that they must stay in the New York area for now. So it's like super, super, super messy. But I saw a theory that the reason Taylor Swift has been so public with this Travis Kelsey thing is because it's coming right after she went to dinner with Sophie Turner. We've seen them like having these deep conversations and someone posted a

TikTok saying, I can envision Taylor saying, how can I help? What can I do? And Sophie's like, I need my name out of the headlines. So Taylor said, hold my beer. I'll go to a Kansas City Chiefs game. Well, I mean, the conspiracy theories within the Swifties is nutso. Yeah, maybe just Taylor wants to find love. I just want to point out or just say or just notify

the fan base that I said we sent out a bat signal. We were attempting to let Sophie know that here at the Vile Files household

and I assume I speak for all of you. Absolutely. The audience that we are team Sophie in this household and I can confirm message has been received and I don't know assume I speak for all of you, the audience, that we are Team Sophie in this household. And I can confirm message has been received.

And I don't know if it does any good. Also, we sent word via Carrier Pigeon to Taylor Swift that we are also sipping her and Travis Kelsey. Sipping? Sipping. Shipping. Can we sip it too? We can do it all. We're sipping and shipping.

I want to sip and ship. Okay. Yeah. Shipping. Can we sip it too? We can do it all. We're sipping and shipping. I want to sip and ship. Okay. Yeah. Message delivered. Isn't it crazy that Taylor Swift put Travis Kelsey on the map? It is. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, per Travis's brother.

No, per literally the world. Yeah. He gained more Instagram followers after she went to the game than after he won the Super Bowl. Taylor literally put him on the map. Like no one really knew who he was before her. Not outside of maybe the football world. Well, not really.

I don't even think people in the football world knew who he was. Also like breaking news. Well, not breaking news but breaking news to me. Turns out Travis and I are like fraternity brothers.

You were in a fraternity. What? We're both fraternity brothers of reality TV finding love on reality TV. Oh. Turns out What? Travis Keeping up with the kelsey's keeping up with the kelsey it was basically like him throwing his own bachelor season well that was well because the woman who won is the act

forward and warned taylor swift and was like it's one of those things where like she was like i wouldn't be a girl's girl and grids i have no idea maybe this woman is a thousand percent right about there was infidelity she really does want to like warn taylor swift who's to say there's also i think a read of this where she wants like fame and attention they haven't talked in many many years she's hoping she gets that dinner date with taylor someday right she wants to be part of the sophie taylor she wants to be part of the the crew i just feel like she's like i don't know using the term girls girl if she's lying that's not cool like it's just like there's nothing sacred anymore take it serious do you just think if i run into travis kelsey and i was like walk up to him and like

dap him and just be like hey man like we were you know we've done like similar things so like i like your work and then i talk a lot of style you'd be like you'd probably be like all right man i gotta go yeah like all right fuck you cool uh i love his work as uh keep you know on finding love on did how long you date that girl for her name's maya apparently they only dated for like a five years or two and they haven't spoken spoken in five years i think they only dated for like a month or two and it was when the show was still airing so they weren't even like a public relationship and so

wait no he used to post about her yeah I remember oh okay five months yeah he used to post on social media about her but they met on that show

so like immediately I'm not sold on that relationship I mean listen I don't know Travis has a bit of a reputation of as a playboy you know he's been you know Travis has a bit of a reputation as a playboy

you know he's been you know he's a ladies man maybe he had some wild days maybe he did I don't know maybe he's done the work for me it's just more like good luck cheating on Taylor Swift well but it also like it feels it just feels right this relationship

during her 1989 eras the re-release because it feels like the ladies man player charm fame is so similar to harry who she dated during 1989 so it just like it feels right it just feels so right i think he's so much better than harry though what i feel like they're a better match. Maybe. There might be a better match. I like them together more. Okay.

Yeah, I don't feel like... I have been basically kicking my feet in the air about them. I feel like two superstar musicians, entertainers, too similar, too much. Yeah. I like that they're both very successful in different arenas. Both rumored that they were PR relationships. No one's a bigger Harry Styles fan than me. But like, I just feel like Taylor is a tall, wonderful woman. And Travis is like 6'5".

And like Harry, you know, I don't know. It's just him and next to Taylor. That's true. Yeah. I love all the jokes about Travis, like that she's finally gone back to an American. And that like all of the men that she's dated in the past like decade have been like skinny boys and the joke was like can Joe fight me for Taylor because like I'm gonna fight him for Taylor everyone's like Travis can fight so we'll sit

back and this is his yeah she went all American she said put in the NFL playing for Kansas City finally local again and it's so excited do Do we think this is going to last? Next football season will she be there? Me thinks no. You don't think so? I hope so. I don't know.

I don't think she'll go to another game. You think it's a one and done game situation? Yeah. Well, he did say in his podcast, like, we'll keep it private now.

You know? And he's like, I'm glad she pulled up. Which seems like very cash. Like pulled up to the stadium, you mean? Yeah. He said himself, yeah, we drove away in a getaway car.

Refutation. Do you think Taylor's giving him PR notes? Easter egg notes? Maybe. Or do you think she's been like, all right, stop talking about it? Well, it was funny because they were reading off questions, he and Jason, on their podcast. And Jason's reading them off and he's like, so blah, blah, blah. Taylor's version is wondering such and such and such.

And then it was the next question. And Madwoman57 is wondering. And Jason just stops and he goes, I feel like there are a lot of references I'm not getting. He's like, I just feel like there's something going on. Yeah, they're all Taylor Swift songs. Yeah, but I feel like to kind of the point of like will he last i imagine with so many people like there is a point and maybe it's like they at first for the first like four to six weeks they're doing a good job like playing it cool like kind of respectful about press stuff but i imagine at

some point like someone like takes the bait or is a little bit too sloppy or a little bit too loose-lipped or like seems to like the attention a little bit too much or for some reason kind of like their motives get thrown into question just because there are so many opportunities for them to fuck up dating someone who's so visible in public. And so I wonder if someone from a sports background

is maybe equipped to handle the media circus because I feel like it's different in sports. Not necessarily harder or easier but just like different kind of media pressure that you receive. I don't know if there's actual chemistry between them, if they like it, or if they have a future,

but I do like Taylor dating someone outside of pure entertainment. Do we think when she begins her heiress tour on November 9th in Argentina that he will go because it is the Chiefs bye week. Ooh. Yes.

He'll be there? He's going to go to Argentina? Why not? For those of you who don't know, love being able to talk about football on the show, when the players have a bye week,

it's their vacation. So they, a lot of them, they're allowed to leave. Many of them go on vacation. Many of them travel. Travis being a veteran, like, veterans tend to, like, truly get the fuck out you know sometimes rookies and

younger players will stay behind and work on their craft and watch film and shit like that and if you're injured you might also like stay behind and do like rehab but other than that players get the fuck out and they go on vacation and they travel so oh my god what if because travis already saw it which we know. Remember, he tried to give her the friendship bracelet. What if this time he brings his mom?

To Argentina. Yeah. Well, so people have been saying they want to see Mama Kelsey and Mama Swift become friends. Oh my God. That'd be kind of great.

Mm-hmm. Oh my God. Well, that's where it would happen. Of course. I think they'd really get along. How many people can we fit on her jet? How do you think Joe's feeling right now? Sad.

I don't really care. Isn't his whole thing he doesn't follow the news? He's out of the media. I had no idea how famous she was. Yeah. At least a big boy. I like Taylor as someone who's just like can kind of hold his own and be like, yeah, I'm Taylor Swift.

It's awesome. And like be excited about it, but also not come across as someone who's like like can kind of hold his own and be like yeah i'm dealing tanner's fifth it's awesome and like be excited about it but also not come across as someone who's like using her right obviously you know he's their podcast is blowing up he's selling jerseys he's you know this has been great for travis kelsey he's making more money but this guy was already fucking crushing it like house money at this point you know multi-millionaire he's he's charismatic he was going to be making a ton of money for the rest of his career he's a hall of famer like he's crushing it he's arguably one of the best players at his position of all time he's he's that good he can truly hold you know her back you know hold his weight i love how she left the suite in a popcorn

container. Was that real? That was really her? Yeah. That's what she does at the Eros tour too. Yes. We don't know. Did you see the massive crowd outside of that place? There's no way she would have just walked out. I'm saying it's possible, but it's not verified. So she was

in a suite and they brought her in one of those popcorn containers down to Travis's locker room. It was like a big metal... No, I saw the video, but I thought that was just like a joke. That was actually her. Well, that's how she moves around her... What a life.

So it makes sense, you know? Yeah. Yeah, and they were already prepped because she'd already performed at the stadium. They were like, yeah, we've got the popcorn. Oh, yeah. We've been keeping it warm for you

since you were here last. I bet Taylor's... A couple kernels of butter in it houses i bet taylor's the kind of person who has like really intense secret rooms in her houses you know like how there will be like on selling even on like selling the oc they'll just be like a little wall where it's like oh you push it back and surprise there's a little media lounge i feel like taylor swift has like full wings of her house that are like underground or hidden or secret like i wonder if she's gonna get a house in kansas city yeah probably not he has a house they can just stay there yeah i think that's a bit premature true well you made a funny joke of her her tour bus that's like taylor's version of oh yeah yeah i was like she brought her tour bus because that would be

her version of what we tell callers to do where if you go meet your like long distance lover get your own hotel room but for Taylor it would just be like up pulls her bus don't worry I got my own place to stay oh we wish them the best I think we can just close

with like Brittany stop playing with knives what's going on, Britt? Yeah. Yeah. Is she okay? I don't know. Yeah, there's something that is unrecognizable to me and I don't want to like judge it,

but I just don't recognize it and I don't know. And I know that she's been through it and I know that she's also just like a very unique person. She's definitely been through it. We want her to be free, but we also just want her to be okay. you know she's out there dancing and swirling butcher knives and someone was saying it might be a reference to like there's like a shakira like via maze or another like award show performance where shakira like had knives maybe i mean but she didn't hurt herself just

and maybe she's just trolling us. I don't know, but it's, it is really something. Anyway, we have an amazing episode for you today. The one, the only, the icon herself,

Raven Simone is with us and her wonderful wife, Miranda. So it was such a great conversation with them. What a great couple. Yeah. So great to get to know Raven. Obviously, she's done so much for you all and me, just a different generation before. Yeah, there is a glorious moment of revelation during this interview.

That is some of the most pure joy I've ever seen. I did not realize that was her before. Anyways, very delightful and they're super into dr wayne dwyer which quite honestly is kind of where i got a lot of my my stuff from i would call him a a mentor i really need to study up on his stuff he's really great but i really enjoy talking to them uh you will too uh they are a ton of fun also we have uh next week going deeper Izzy from Love is Blind is with us. Super excited to talk to him. Word on the street is he is involved in some drama going forward.

So we are excited to talk to him next week. And on Reality Recap on Tuesday, the wonderful Amy Coffin from the LA Times is with us. And we have a lot to cover. We got Love is Blind episodes five through seven. We got The Golden Bachelor. We got Bachelor in Paradise. So it's a jam-packed episode. Amy has watched it all already. We will be up to speed as well. So lots of reality TV to cover. Hope you all join us on Tuesday. And again, Izzy from Love is Blind on Going Deeper on Thursday. Don't forget we have an update classic dropping tomorrow. Everyone gets to listen to it. So all the

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What are we talking about? Birthday sex was floated. Oh, birthday sex. By our King Derek. I thought it was appropriate birthday sex uh-huh in honor of yours truly uh so be sure to check that out truly hmm sex with someone presumably the other

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I was watching some of the commercials for it and one of the commercials where you guys are climbing. I'm sorry, he's never talking. Where you guys are climbing like between two mountains on the tightrope. I was like, that is my friend and that's where it's going to stay. You will never see me that high.

You don't think you can do it? Oh, hell no, I'm not doing it. I can hardly get on a ladder. I had to stop doing a lot of my own stunts on Raven's Home because of my heights situation. Anyway, yeah, so cool. I can't wait to watch you. Yeah, it was a wild experience.

I still think you should do it if you can i mean i know you can if you want to they'll definitely take you yeah they'd be thrilled but i i do i don't have a fear of heights but it was like they kept asking me like are you afraid of heights i'm like well i don't like love them right like i'm not like well versed in like standing in the middle of the sky on a ladder. But the more we did, the more I was like, this isn't so bad. One of the things that Jojo did after she got back, she was like, I want to do what they used to do when she went away for a while. Because I didn't know what she did, obviously. And we were doing Pictionary and she bought like 20 sandwiches.

And she said, pick one. I was like, what's going on? She goes, the adventure I just went on, all they would do is give you a bag and you wouldn't be able was like what's going on she goes the adventure i just went on all they would do is give you a bag and you wouldn't be able to tell what kind of sandwich it was so she really enjoyed sandwich roulette a little bit i fucking hated it you hated it i well i i loathe mayonnaise or any type of spread that has a mayonnaise base and they were just like slapping on man i couldn't eat it i love man how many different sandwich options were there of the sandwich roulette i don't know we didn't ask we it was they just were like just throw a bag at us and be like eat this wow yeah it was fun

when i actually got to like choose the different sandwiches and then not see what they were and then pick it so are you not a picky eater um i'm a little bit of a picky eater in the sense that like i don't do snails i don't do this i don't do that my wife's a little bit more but i like to taste things that's not picky okay yeah if you say i don't do snails then you're not a picky person you just like wouldn't love france that much yeah it's gonna be the fromage i'm good with that like i'm a picky person because I don't do mayonnaise and I like certain types of bread.

That's how I am. Customize that. And I like to refer to it as particular. Yeah. That is literally exactly what I say. It's like more of a taste. Or I know what I like and I know what I don't. No issue.

I'm a tast Yeah. No issue. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a tastemaker. Love it. And I do think the things I do like are delicious. Well, I hope so. Well, I mean, but some people could just like eat things.

I think everything I eat, assuming you like meat and salt, actually. Love meat and salt. Amazing. Love it. I am a little concerned by the amount of sodium we have in our diet i wonder if we might have to cut back it's funny i mean yeah the human race in general for sure i don't know about you individually but salt is also very important so it just depends but salt right i hear that too balance yeah but finding the right salt and the good salt is different than kind of mass-produced food that just is logged with salt for flavor.

Will you use kosher salt? Is that good? Yeah. Babe? So, yes, there are different types of salt that are better than others. I think the more underproduced salt is better because it has the natural magnesium and health benefits. However, the real culprit is when you mix salt and sugar together. A lot of the times people think that high blood pressure and all of that comes from just salt. But what it actually is, is the sugar salt combination or the carb and protein carbonation combination or the fat and

carb combination. It's the combination of foods that end up being the death of a soul. My sister's a holistic nutritionist. Oh, by the way, welcome Raven and Miranda. We just started talking. Here we are just chatting away. We are excited. So excited to have you both back into new nutrition, food combination. Yeah, my sister's a holistic

nutritionist she talks a lot about that stuff and i try to take some nuggets but more than anything she talked about was that the combinations of what you eat and when you eat them in the order that you in the order that you eat them and how your body died because like it's it's all about how your body digests you know and like mixing like sugar and carbs and like heavy fats. You're basically like it's a concrete mix. Yeah. And it's sad because all the things that taste good is that butter and bread. That's a carb and a fat does like really bad for you.

Pizza, like the best tasting things are when you combine it. But in actuality, you have to you can have them separate. Because it's like fat is actually good for you. Not if you necessarily have it with like simple carbs. Exactly. Like a French fry. How did you get all knowledgeable about all this? I was 216 pounds three years ago. I got married and did a lot of research and found out why I was so fat.

Okay. And I was fat because I enjoyed the combinations. I over ate and I wore down my pancreas and my liver to a point where they were not producing the right amount of hormones for me to succeed in life. Yeah, that's what happened. And you mentioned, obviously, you got married. What about that? Was that just like, hey, I got married. I'm starting this kind just like hey i got married i'm starting this kind of new season in life was that something you know as a couple you guys talked about you know nally and i are pregnant right and so she's experienced a lot of changes and like i think a lot of couples try to find it's a you know you might be in a relationship you can have a

great communication but some subjects are touchier than others. Feelings are involved. We can be sensitive people. Like how did you two kind of communicate or was this like an individual choice you made or yeah, how did that all work? It started because I said to Raven, when's the last time you've been to the doctor? And she was like, no, I don't go to the doctor. And I said, okay, we're going to the doctor. And when she got her labs back, she saw what was going on. And for me, I'm somebody who's very health conscious and very aware of what I put in my body. And I have a skincare routine. We're very different in regards to that. together and being as different as we are was that I could help Raven kind of get on a routine and she helps me get out of routine. Yeah, exactly. So it definitely was a lifestyle change for both of us in certain ways. But I am so proud of her because she's made such massive change and kept these commitments. And it's, you know, she's healthier for it.

The other thing that I started was fasting and actually got her to start intermittent fasting. And I do extended and intermittent. In addition to, you mentioned weight and weight loss, but in addition to that, because obviously there's always a lot of opinion talking about weight and things like that. But in addition to weight, how else did changing your habits and your diet affect like more energy, better sleep? Were there other benefits than just simply like that physical weight loss? Yeah, most definitely. My brain started working better. My eyesight got better. My ligaments work better. I don't take as many naps, but I still like a nap here.

I, well, no, I was about to say I care more more but i think i still don't give anyway um what else changed to me babes your attitude towards life in general yeah she's moody but when she you weren't having these like sugar crashes and also you weren't having these like eat this massive meal and two hours later be like i'm hungry that. That's true. And that was and I would be like, no, babe, you're not hungry. You're your body. You're bored. You're feeling I do love a good board eating. I mean, yeah, the pastime. It's so good. But it's also because the food that I was eating, my body wasn't able to excrete the nutrients from it in order for me to feel full. So now I'll have a steak or some avocado in the morning and

I'll be and I'll eat that at around, let's say, like nine o'clock and then I'll be full all the way till 6 p.m. because my body knows how to break down these food now because I'm not combining foods in a negative way. I will say, though, recently I've been a little bit off my off my game. Like yesterday, I had some chicken wings, salad, and a slice of pizza. But I also didn't eat anything for the rest of the day. So I was allowing my body the time to digest. When normally, like she said, two hours later, I'd put something else in my body and my body couldn't eat it. Because a lot of times, too, it's empty calories. Like when people eat McDonald's, you're blown away that you've consumed like 2,500 calories and then you're hungry.

And that's where people start overeating and gaining weight because their body isn't absorbing exactly you're not actually exactly if there are nutrients and fascinating stuff but yeah we love a good cheat day now and then i need a fish fillet with a packet of ketchup i like eating despite me being a picky eater eating is like something I enjoy doing. It's truly one of like the five most important. It's like a pleasurable part of life. Yes.

It's one of the five most important pleasures of my life. I don't even know what the other four is, but like eating is definitely one of them. Eating, sex, sleeping. Yeah. Making money. There you go. Kind of nailed it. Yeah.

Yeah. Those are the four pillars of life. And then sitting at a lake. Oh, yes. That can go under the sleeping umbrella it's like relaxing sleeping or meditation meditation speaking of communication i was fascinated to hear that when y'all started dating raving your mom suggested miranda had to sign an nda um and you know prenups things like that. Listen, it's 2023. Like the world is different. We're getting into relationships for different reasons. Back in the day, it was

like, hey, I'm 21. Go get married. You just like, now you're married for life. And that was, it was like kind of that simple. Life's not so simple anymore. Obviously you've been in the public eye your entire life. Like sometimes being safe isn't sexy. That being said, how did y'all approach that? Because that, you know, it is a difficult conversation. I could imagine, Miranda, you could have been triggered by that conversation or felt a certain way. But nevertheless, you guys are here.

You're married. You're in a loving relationship. How did you work through that, especially in the early stages of a relationship to have to ask that type of request? Yeah. So that was back in 2016. And honestly, we joke about Raven being kind of like rough around the edges or just like a straight shooter. She literally, I feel like we were sitting on the sofa watching something on TV and she's like, yeah, so I'm going to need you to sign an NDA. And I was kind of like, I'm sorry, what? She's like, yeah, that's what's going to need to happen now. And part of me was totally taken aback. And then I felt sad because I was like, oh, to have to be in a position where everything

in your life is somehow a contractual agreement made me feel bummed for her. And my initial response was, no, I'm not going to do that. And we talked about it. And then she was like, no, I really need you to do this for me. And I was like, listen, I'm never going to write like a tell all book about my experience dating Ravens Mountain. It's not that interesting. Well, I mean, I mean, they're pretty interesting. Listen, my wife is so not phased about who I am. Well, I mean, I mean, they're pretty interesting. Listen, my wife is so not phased about who I am. No, I know.

So when she says that, it's because she also just I mean, she's interesting, but here's the deal. Like, is anyone going to want to listen to me be like,

so last night, Raven and I went to a pizza place on the corner in New York City and then she like, but that's also because when I date people, I'm also very,

very guarded in who I am and what I do in my movements, because I was kind of taught not to trust anyone. Well, yeah, that's what I was about to ask. Was it an opportunity to, you know, obviously totally get all the initial reactions. Like, it's like a weird thing to be like, I would have the same reaction. We're like, well, if you want me to do that, like, maybe we shouldn't date because like relationships built on trust and this doesn't sound like trust that being said raven you come from like a world that most people just simply can't relate to you know you've been in the public your whole fucking life and like in a weird way was it like an opportunity for you to empathize with raven in terms of where she came from and relate to her because like it was such an untraditional ask but you come from an untraditional life was there a moment there where

Miranda like signing it and then talking through it was a way to say you know yeah weird ask triggered uh uh but you know what I understand and yes you have been through a lot and it must be difficult to trust. I mean, I was on reality TV for a fraction of what you've been in the spotlight from. And I, I deal with shit like that, have dealt with shit like that. You, you, you, you become very paranoid very quickly because it only takes a couple unfortunate situations where you think like, no one would do that. Who gives a shit about me it's just like oh i saw nick in line at chipotle you know like whatever and you're like i'm sorry i was picking my nose like what do you do you know like or whatever it is you know and it's just like itching

not picking yeah like it was like i was like as a side of my nose like i had a wedgie whatever it is and then we've dated people who we thought were we could trust only to have a relationship you know unfortunately when people break up they'd never imagine feeling that way about someone at the beginning of a relationship so such a challenge it is a challenge and i think yes to your question around was i able to have compassion for her experience and go, oh, wow, it's really hard to be in a position where you have to kind of question what your partner may do or say. Sorry, he's just having the time of his life. Our dog is here, everyone.

Anyway, I also, though, it's interesting to me from my lens because I grew up in L.A. in the industry around people who were famous my whole life. So I understood it. And I had signed other NDAs before for work or things of that nature. It just had never fallen under the category of romance before. So I understood her motives. I understood why I had to do it. It's why I did it. And yes, at the same time, I was like, wow, it's it's hard to be in a position where you can't fully trust. But I know myself and I think I can't expect her to know me fully at that point. But I knew that I would never, ever take a breakup and publicize it or try and monopolize off of somebody else's pain, past, childhood traumas, anything.

And that's why we're married, babe, because you don't and you wouldn't. Other people. Other people would. And you know what? I mean, we were talking about something recently because somebody was telling Raven about the fact that they now have to sign like sex contracts, meaning younger men who are starting to have all adults. Right. younger men who are starting to have all adults. Right. But just being in this position of with the climate now, I could potentially be in a sexual relationship and have a woman then say something that she didn't consent to or blah, blah, blah. And now my whole career and it could

ruin a whole career. And that's wild to think about. Like when you said that, you know, sometimes safety isn't sexy. That's like, yeah, you think, oh, somebody pulling out a condom in the middle of, you know, the heats of passion. No, imagine a contract, like you have to agree to certain sexual acts. It's not just a contract, it's a checklist of things that you consent to. It's like, you can do this, you can do this, you can do this, you can't

do this, you can't do this, and they have to do the same thing. Like, choking is fine, but spanking is not. Which, I don't know, they need to try it in combination and they might like that shit shit it's all about the combination but yeah that's very interesting thank you guys for sharing because obviously like it's such a touchy vulnerable subject for people and comes with judgments and things like that and yeah it's just it's interesting. So thank you. Raven, I have to ask you, because I'm fascinated.

I don't know if you know what you know about me, but I'm a kid from the Midwest, grew up in a very conservative household, moved out of the nest, so to speak. And while I still value my roots, so to speak, I've enjoyed expanding my horizons, meeting different people from different places, different ideologies, faiths, beliefs, all those things. And so I was fascinated to hear you talking about your kind of ability to see into the future. to people about things that I'm skeptical about and learn about that.

And I'd just love to talk more with you about it. And like, obviously, you're so well known. You got your start on your hit show. That's so Raven in which incorrect. What? That's not where you got your start. No. Oh, where'd you get your start?

The Cosby show. Fail, Nick. It's OK, Nick. Wait, I'm having a moment. Yeah, he is. He's having a vision. He just had a whole vision. He just had a whole vision. That's you. Yeah, it's okay Nick wait I'm having a moment yeah he is he's having a vision he just had a whole vision he just had a whole vision that's you

yeah it's me Olivia the cutest little thing you ever did oh my god now I'm starstruck now I'm starstruck I mean

yeah we grew up on that fucking Cosby show yeah we watched it every Thursday night so did my mama wow you really didn't realize that until this moment no it makes total sense now I can even see it Grew up on that fucking Cosby show. Yeah. We watched it every Thursday night. So did my mama. Wow.

You really didn't realize that until this moment? No, it makes total sense now. I can even see it. Yeah, that's me. But no, I didn't. No, it was always, that's so Raven. Oh, that's so cute, Nick. Yeah, it's our Shrek. Nick, have you ever seen TGI Fridays?

Remember TGI? Oh, yeah, yeah. Do you remember the show Hanging with Mr. Cooper? Yeah. That was me. She was Mr. Cooper. I was on that too. You really are a star really are a star i'm just old and i've been in it forever it's just different i can yeah you really like not to talk the cosby show for

three hours but you like brought that show back yeah it's a touchy topic like you probably we should skip over it nowadays in this climate let's just skip over it i was like i was like kim possible princess that's right so many and then cosby anyways okay yeah you crush it then i'm sorry but anyway back to your ability um how like just tell me about i'm just fascinated i'd love to learn i'd love to understand i mean you're you're hyping it up so much and i hope that i don't disappoint you when i say i believe that every female has this ability. I believe every female has the ability to tap into their powers and assess people appropriately. I believe in deja vu. I believe it means more than just the brush off. I believe if you take it seriously, then it might help you. You know,

my wife is the same. You know, she's like, I had a vision, no puns intended, but like she'll wake up. She's like, OK, I saw this. This was in my dream. And then if you work towards something that you believe in wholeheartedly, you can make it come true. And I think that's what I mean when I say I can I feel like i can see the future i feel like you know my parents always said that i said i want to be on the cosby show and i'm not going to get on the cosby show just by sitting down in diapers and wishing it and wishing it i'm going to see that for myself and work towards it thank you wayne dyer so it's like i was gonna say you're a wayne Dyer fan? It's a manifestation.

I'm ridiculous. We're both ridiculous. He kind of changed my life. I mean, so did I. So did he for me. Power of intentions. All day. All day.

So it's in that realm. And I think when I say that and then you also see me in this show, it'll make it like a bigger situation. But it's true, babe. Like, it's true. She it's true she saw me marrying her well i wouldn't say that's even psychic ability and i wouldn't even say it's just females to me the way that i connect to it is it's kind of we are all cut from the same

source in my opinion as human beings and we all have divinity and ability within us. Like an energy? Yeah. It's like we all have an inner knowing. And if you can connect to your inner voice, which sounds abstract to some and others will understand it. And others will call it certain things. Yeah. And others will call it certain things to some. It could be God to some, you know, who knows? It is what it is. But if you can connect to that, you have a different experience in life and you realize, I think, different ways in which the universe is

always conspiring in your favor. So for me, I was somebody who was very, very anxious and questioned herself all the time. And in meeting Raven, I had clear certainty. I was like, that's my person. I didn't question it. I didn't ruminate on it. I I was like, that's my person. I didn't question it. I didn't ruminate on it. I was just like, that's it. I just knew it was the most solidifying, grounding thought and feeling. It's like I was all connected in that moment. And I've had other experiences, few, that are similar to that where I just know. But I think that's more of what we speak to when we talk about psychic abilities or anything like that. But when you talk about women, sorry, I'm going on a little bit long just because your fiance is pregnant.

I'm a birth doula. And if you don't know what that is, that's OK. So I'm a birth doula. And when you talk about specific female energy, power and divinity, and then also connection because the female body can grow another life, that part that is massively powerful. because the female body can grow another life. That part, that is massively powerful. You're going to be on such a journey. That's so incredible when you see your person going through labor. We're doing one of those 3D ultrasounds today.

Oh, those are amazing. Super excited. You'll see. You'll really get to see a baby. No, that's so exciting. But my point is the power and energy that can come through the female body, especially in that experience, is incredible. And that is, I think, what is truly unique to women. But I think that everyone can tap into an intuition and a knowing. So that's my next question. How would one tap into it? I think it's meditation. I think it's stillness. You know, a lot of people, I got to go, I got to go, I got to go, I got to get this, I got to get this. And one thing that I have definitely learned from my childhood, even though I rebelled against it, but as I got older, it's like, I want this. And then so many things will come your way. And it's not about picking the first one. It's about picking the one that feels right in your soul. I remember I did a project. No names will be attached to it right now, but I did a project and throughout the journey of it, I just was ill.

I had the sniffles. I was sick. I saw the check. I was fine. Like the wrong thing. Oh, okay. Exactly. That's fine.

First day started. Before I walked out, I hadn't even signed the contract. And normally when you get on a show, especially in the kind walked out. I hadn't even signed the contract. And normally when you get on a show, especially in the kind of shows that I do, you sign the contract weeks in advance. But I had not signed the contract and it was table day. I was bawling, bawling out of my mind. And I call my mom. She goes, you already said you're going to do it. And they already sent you the money. So you have to do it. And I was like, oh, man, got there. It lasted that quick, literally was having mental breakdowns. And I said, you know

what? I have to trust my body. I have to trust it. Even when finding him, when I mean him, Quinn, scrolling through things, scrolling through things and knowing that it was kind of like a tumultuous kind of process because of a lot of things. And I just looked at it and I'm like, I feel still. So I think it, again, it's about meditation. It's about tuning your antenna, which is your body and trusting the fact that the universe will conspire in your favor, but also not to forget that the universe conspires and also what you preach for yourself. So if you constantly say that you are anxious, you will continue to be anxious. We know this, right?

It's true. What you say is very important, but I want to give you the simplest answer. And I think in terms of the way to get there, the way to get there is breath. Yeah. Period. And you're going to go breathing. Okay. People do not know how to breathe.

The majority of us, even all of us in this room are probably not breathing properly. I know I'm not. Yeah. And you're probably not even having the maximum, like you're probably operating on a lower amount of oxygen than you really need because none of us breathe correctly. The way to actually access your inner stillness, your knowing is through your breath and learning how to breathe correctly. Because when you take breaths from your diaphragm, when you can breathe through that correctly and fully, you operate at an entirely different level.

Your brain has different oxygen. And I think the kindest act that you can do to yourself, the kindest gift of self-love, if you will, is a correct and proper breath. Yeah. And that's what it is. And it goes through your nose and into your diaphragm. I'm working on not being a mouth breather. I'm currently working out my jaw.

Oh, wow. That's a big deal. I'm doing one of those. It will reshape your face. Yeah. It'll be snatched. I like it too. I got sold TikTok.

It was my first TikTok purchase. Oh, that was dangerous. But I felt really good about it. I did the research. Yeah. Wait, are you doing the one where you chew on the front TikTok purchase. Oh, that was dangerous. But I felt really good about it. I did the research. Wait, are you doing the one where you chew on the front? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

I have ones for the back. And I also tape my mouth at night. I don't know if you were there yet. I have taped my mouth. Natalie tape shamed me. Why? She's like, what the fuck are you doing? I'm like, because I want to breathe more through my nose.

Yeah. I'm a bit of a mouth breather at times. Can you breathe through your nose fully? I had a deviated septum, not a nose job. And I had noids taken out. Oh, perfect. Like really in college. It's so important.

Waste it all. Insurance paid for it. Love to see it. I want to talk more about, you mentioned Dr. Wayne Dwyer and you alluded to if you tell yourself anxious, you'll be anxious. And he talks a lot about the power of the subconscious mind. And I'd love for you to talk a little bit more about that and kind of allude to, yeah, if it's your subconscious will respond to what you tell it to respond. It's like you're almost telling your brain, well, can you elaborate a little bit more? Yeah. So I first want to start with that every human

starts as a clean slate. And as our parents mold us, we start building fences around who we think we should be. And that in turn changes our perspective and our actions in life. And I say that first because when you want to tap into who you are, you have to break through those to actually reach the subconscious that has started habits to protect you from hurt and pain or even certain kinds of pleasure and has turned pain into pleasure. So, for instance, you know, we can talk about the avoidant types of relationships or anxious types of relationships. You do that because of, you know, your parents saying, don't say that to me. Now you're like, oh, I'll never speak. So you have these habits that you have to break through. Let me tell you one thing. I have not broken through all my habits. There are some that I do not know. And she sees and I'm like, that's not true. And I'm like, so that's one. Joda Spenza, all these books, personal knowledge, hypnotherapy, all of these things, crystal work, whatever.

It is aids to help you realize that you are all you need. You are the power that you need. So when you are still, when you're breathing through your chakras, when you're feeding your body appropriately, you are tapping into your personal power because like my wife said earlier, we are all a part of source. We come from source. So if we stop distracting ourselves, when you, my favorite, let someone in during traffic and not judging them for cutting you off, you're keeping your energy and not expelling it out from you. The more you can retain your energy, the more you wake up, what do you wake up with? You wake up with your phone. Ring, ring, ring, ring. So your brain automatically goes to your phone. I'm on it for the rest of the day. Before the phone,

ring, ring, ring, ring. I don't know. I wasn't I wasn't. I mean, I was alive before the phone, before the cell phone, but you know what I mean? I don't remember. I was't I wasn't I mean, I was alive before the phone before the cell phone, but you know what I mean? I don't remember. I was young. But there's always something to keep your attention away from yourself. Yeah, we are built in a society of distraction and things that move us further and further from the ability to breathe properly and connect to that inner voice. I want to say I think it's interesting, though, that you said that all humans are born with clean slates. I that's the one thing I disagree with what you said that all humans are born with clean slates. That's the one thing I disagree with what you said. Tell me. I don't think any of it just starts with us or just our parents.

I think that every single baby that comes into this world is bringing some kind of energy and some kind of DNA pattern that they did not ask for it that will be theirs to work through. And the black sheep are the people in the family who are going to break the pattern, break the chain. And then you will have the non-black sheep who will somewhat conform to the environment in which they're in. But take that and then add on the parents issues on top of that. So then not only are you born with what you brought into this world, but now you got to put on whatever mask you need for that parent. But what you're bringing in,

you're bringing in because of what your parents had, because of what their parents had. So on and so forth. It's all aligned. Yeah. Like nature and nurture, like the interplay between those things. And that is part of it too.

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only on Peacock. Ladies and gentlemen. What are you doing? What do you mean? Just keep it simple. I'm making the promo. Just keep it simple. Just say, hey, we're the Brav Bros.

Two guys that talk about Bravo. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, we're the Brav Bros. Two guys that talk about Bravo. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, we're the Brav Bros. No. Dude, stop with the voice. Just keep it simple. I've seen promos on TV. Dude, this is how you get the fans engaged. This is how you get listeners. We're trying to get listeners

here. If we just say, oh, we're two dudes that talk about Bravo, people are going to get tired of it already. We need some oomph. Alright, then fine. Let's try to do it with your voice. Bravo, bros. Good job. Raven and Miranda joined as well. But what are some other, and I love,

that was all wonderful, but I really love just that simple explanation of the traffic cut in. So what are some other simple real life moments where people are taking for granted their energy? We talk about energy all the time on the show. We talk about how it's not infinite when you're ruminating over an X and you're just like staring at their Instagram page and you're trying to think of a reason as to why they're doing what they're doing. Fine, you can do it. But that is your energy that you are investing in someone who's not even asking for your intention and you can do it. That's fine. But that's energy that could be going to something possibly more productive. And we just love to point that out because we don't think about that.

We take that for granted. What are some other examples like letting someone in through traffic that doesn't maybe isn't come naturally to us or doesn't seem intuitive to us, but are just little things where we can protect our energy. We can kind of protect ourselves and just leave lead happier, more fulfilled lives by just kind of letting it slide. Yeah, it's letting it slide. I think the first thing that comes to mind, which I think a lot of people might have a problem with, is saying thank you to yourself. I woke up this morning. I brushed my teeth. Thank you. You're thanking yourself because I think that's something

that we forget to do sometimes. When you invest in yourself. When you invest in yourself. And brushing your teeth is an investment. It's an investment. Sometimes I forget it and I'm not going to thank myself today. But you know what I mean? But like those little moments. Taking nothing personally. That's a big one, right? So then if somebody bumps you in line at the supermarket, you don't go, oh my God, and bump back. You just go, all right, and you let it slide. You don't get in a road rage situation. You don't let, let's say you're on a phone call, right? And somebody is just like, and you don't have the time for it. You have a personal boundary. Hey, I have to go now. Talk to you later. Bye. And we can do that with our parents. We can do that with

friends. Any time that you start feeling like people are invading you, are taking your energy, you set your boundary and you move through and you don't take it personally because it's not about you. Another thing that I love to do is when i see someone's kind of spiraling and i don't know where it's coming from i always go i hope you have a better day and they look at me i hate that shit i know you do that to me and it's talk about a trigger that's my trigger i hope you have a better day babe yes highly condescending i hope not even that i hope you have a better day bitch you don't know my day but i do because i see something that you actually want you to have a better day something about me that doesn't like that i know i like i know i stopped saying that

to you make my day better than that's what i you know well then come back at me maybe you see is that a raven problem or is that a miranda problem it's a both of us problem hey nick nick's over here digging i like it i feel like i speak for so many people and i say that's so raven was a show that consistently made my day better and as a child like i didn't have cable tv abc played like a few disney shows every saturday morning it was so exciting like the raven ones were the best and i remember so specifically like the episode where there was a racist hiring manager and you had to get Chelsea to like wear a wire and have this woman admit that she doesn't hire black people. And I just remember that being that show being like the starting point for so many things that aren't often discussed.

And I'm curious for you, like, what was it like being the center of that, like being a show that started so many conversations that oftentimes other kids shows just weren't touching? Couple of answers. One, while it was happening, I was dissociated. I had no idea what was going on. I just knew I had to make people laugh, you know, and then I would get told after. They'd be like, what's this episode about? I'm like, could you explain it to me? Because I don't remember it.

And then now I look back and go, wow, whoa, what a crazy experience I went through. Shows like that episode, episodes about body image, episodes about smoking and really tackling things for people under the age of 18 in a real way. And I always say now it was a spoonful of sugar. You know, we help the medicine go down at every point. And being on a television show now using the same character and having new boundaries because of the political correctness that needs to happen. But working with a company that still allows those topics to come through. We did an episode on Raven's Home about racial profiling, and I was able to direct it. And my son on the show got pulled over because of the color of his skin in a climate where that is very dangerous.

And Disney tackled it in a way that younger people could digest. And I think it's very important when you have television shows such as sitcoms or your stories or those things that come on every day that help showcase what's happening in society, help move society forward, help kids understand things that they might go through later in life or right now and different perspectives on how to deal with it. So I am very, very humbled and happy. And I thank myself for pushing through those moments that I was dissociated and like wanted to go club, but I had to sit here and do this job because I get to hear

that. And your version of that for me is like saved by the bell and family matters, you know, and I'm able to be a part of that kind of conversation. And when you say like dissociated, I think there's such a larger conversation happening right now about child actors and people who are vulnerable within kind of like media environments and the way that they can be underprotected. And so I'm curious for you as someone who was in the industry at such a young age, what are the things that you think are essential to protect people participating in entertainment early in their lives? I was very protected. I think I was overprotected.

My parents did not play to the point where I was like, I remember when I got my first house, I still have these bars. I got my first house. It was a three story townhouse. And my mama put these bars on the windows and doors. Every window had a bar. And I'm like, lady, did you call me Raven and then put me in a cage? Like I am so like I hated that house. I hated it. But I understood it. I understood at the same time my mom was protecting me I was living on my own for the first time like I don't judge her for it I was just going through like what in the world is going on

anyway there does need to be protection for child actors if you notice the federal government protects child labor laws except for newspaper people and the acting world paper route and and child actors we're taking care of state by state not federal uh that's another conversation i don't

want to get into it but yes it needs to be protected they have so many things there they have social workers you have your parents you know and things of that nature. But at the same time, I still haven't found the word to express the mental agility you need in order to tackle admiration, depression, stress, success, and vulnerability while keeping a smile on your face and knowing that you're making millions of dollars for a company that if you don't make millions of dollars for it, they won't hire you. There's a lot of stuff. It don't make no sense to me sometimes. So it's better to just disassociate and get that check and then figure it out later when you're with your wife. Talking is obviously very interesting and you two both have such, you seem to have a healthy outlook on life and just you seem balanced i don't

know if that's the right word but i'm just playing i don't have it but you know like we were just talking about it's you know the the story of the child actor is a is a volatile one you know there's been suicides there's been drug overdoses you know some of your co-stars have had their own struggles britney spears is playing with knives again um you know fake knives they're metal i don't know like she's clinking and clapping them and waving them around but you know and then ariana grande was you know you know is making news recently she seems fine but she's like recently in her relationships. She's created some news in terms of dating a man that was married. And she's recently been like breaking up relationships. Okay.

Has been the narrative. And who knows? Maybe it has nothing to do with nothing. I don't know. But it's a long story. Ariana. NDA boo boo. NDA.

I don't know who I broke up or what I went through. NDA boo boo. She's making it public. It's not like. Yeah. She's just. I can't or what I went through. NDA boo boo. She's making it public. It's not like. Oh, yeah. She's just. I can't talk about my relationships either. NDA.

Well, when you're the ex-wife. Yeah. Different story. Of the person who left you for her. You didn't sign the NDA. You're right. Can't get all that. And they can call you not a girl's girl.

You know. Okay. I'm up to date. Thank you. No problem. We're here. That's what we do. Also, wait.

Doesn't the guy that she allegedly had the affair with. I mean, they were just at Disneyland. Bring it up. Yeah. What did he do? Okay. He's Spongebob. That's right.

He's Spongebob on Broadway. Yeah. I was about to say the man who voices him. I know him. He's cool. That man is also like 75 and like a legend the other one no this Spongebob

he's a little Spongebob yeah it's just it's a unique pairing wait till you see the picture it looks like her brother with a bad hair day yeah I love Frankie oh he does look like his brother with a bad hair day he looks like kind of related to Carrot Top interesting anyway he was brother with a bad hair day. He looks kind of related to Carrot Top. Interesting. Anyway, he was married with a kid.

I would not expect that pairing. Well, there's speculation that... They're wicked together. So it might be a showmance going on. Oh, it is. It's a showmance. A lot of stuff happens on Broadway. Also, the speculation is what she liked about him was that he was married.

That's a reach, I would think. Wasn't she married, too? Yeah, but... Yes gomez dalton gomez there he is i don't know there's just a long list of you guys i really don't know about other people's personal lives i'm so bad anyway back to child star sorry i'm like what's happening we would we'd win down arrival but like yeah it's just uh how does one is it is it a coin flip? Yes. Whether you turn out or not, you know, because it's totally. Yeah, it's it's a coin flip with ingredients. Right. So, like, you need the parent that's not living through you and stealing your money.

You need the parent that's on set with you protecting you from those moments and not pushing you forward in a way that's toxic. Brooke Shields is mom. Like you need certain pieces to the formula. But at the same time, it is a coin flip. What is the brain chemistry doing? Totally. Like I feel I am the way that I am for multiple reasons, because not only was I wearing a mask to the public for who I am before I wake up and who my wife sees every day, but I was

also putting also putting on a mask because I wake up and who my wife sees every day. But I was also putting on a mask because I was gay and nobody knew. So I was like twice hiding myself. And I think that is why. You were in a closet in the basement. You have no idea how triggering that is. You right, my bad. Yeah.

Sorry. Okay. You want to talk about it? No. I was in a closet. You were six feet under. i was trying to give you like something vampire spooky season you know i was trying to go there but my bad baby no you're fine you're love i love you um no no she's right though i was in a closet in the basement and it's

interesting because i look back and like i didn't have i had people that you would call my friends but even they were like they didn't know who I was. Like I did not let anybody in. And that's helped me. I can look across the casting room and be like, no, no, because I just have this. I just I don't know. I just have this knowing. What's to know? Like they just don't have they don't have the it.

I know when somebody has an it factor for sure. But also business wise, I'm like, I'm going to use you for this long. You're going to need me. And then that's it. You're not real. Like it's a weird thing when you become the observer of yourself for so long, you can see the people around you and the type of personality types that create success. It's weird. What are your thoughts on expanding that to our society with social media? Because before, to be a child star, there was limited access. Now, just like anyone can be a star, anyone can be a child star.

And you have parents, like the boundaries between what is okay. And, you know, that's something Natalie and I are talking about too. Like we have a public relationship. We're pretty open about our pregnancy. I want to be able to celebrate the things i love when i share with my audience like my kid but like what's appropriate you know when she gets to a certain age do we stop showing her face or not show her face do like what are those boundaries because i just don't want like those influencing parents where like they they like core their kids like

telling a funny joke and you just fucking know that was like their eighth take yeah you know and shit like that and it's just kind of icky and there's like just it's the wild west right now it's like yeah it's your kid and you can put on social media but i do like i think i've said this before i think we're like 10 years removed from a bunch of like kids suing their parents for like privacy for like stealing their ip you know exactly yeah um but yeah i mean someone who's grown grown up in the business like if it was up to raven simone to write the law the internet laws of parenting and children like what would be some healthy boundaries that you think people should follow that's a really loaded question, dude. My answer is not going to be the best.

So babes, clean me up. Okay. I don't believe any child should be on TV or recorded until after they turn 10 years old. Use AI for all I care. I just don't think it's necessary. I think that before you put your child in the industry, there needs to be a psychologist, psychiatrist,

assessing the parents beforehand. And if you get assessed and they need a child, then, yeah, you can put your child on younger than then. I truly believe that the parents should not be the managers of the children. They should be removed and the parents should be. The parents. The parents and also keep a job and not live off the child while the child is working to then make the child feel like if they don't work, the family's going to disperse. I can't imagine that pressure. Oh, my God. I also, you know, Coogan law needs to be stronger. And I also believe there needs to be a school. I believe that there needs to be a institution for children and their parents before they get into the industry, because nowadays you'll hire new people

and it's up to the cast and crew to teach them the ways of the industry. And that prevents productions from working fast enough. Yeah, that made a lot of sense. Do you need to clean me up, Bade? No, I think you said that really well. The only thing I would add is that I think when it comes to social media and kind of in your situation, Nick, I think that it really comes down to the intention of the parent. I think having the moment of like, oh my gosh, my baby is so cute and I want to post this is different than I want to post this because I want to get a ton of likes and I want to see if I can push my child into a certain space. I also would say, you know, you can easily share those cute moments with your close friends and family. You don't need to necessarily share every moment with every audience member that you have.

It's intention. It's the checks and balances. And to go back to the child star thing, I think one of the interesting things about Raven's experience that I've witnessed is the people around her have always been pretty grounded. And there's always been a normalcy and kind of this like, let's be average experience in your upbringing and in your choice to put yourself into certain places. And I went to school with a lot of child stars and they were in the mix. They were there. They'd have to leave for, you know, six, eight weeks at a time and go film a show. But then they came back and they were integrating into air quotes, normalcy. I mean, my my my high school wasn't very normal.

Yeah, my childhood was interesting. I, you know, I was on punishment for a year. At one point, I cleaned up the kitchen. If it wasn't cleaned up, I'd be on punishment. I would go to public school during the week and then be on tour within sync on the weekend. And if I didn't get a if I got F's or whatever shit was going down, like it was not an environment that made me feel like I had power over my parents because the fact that I was bringing in money. They made sure that the power dynamic was different. But then the backlash is I knew exactly what I was doing and how I was taking care of the house. And I didn't think the punishment matched the crime. I'm like, didn't I bring that check in? Why did I clean up the kitchen? It's such a warped reality.

It's weird. It's weird. Well, thank you for being so vulnerable and sharing your thoughts. I think. The word vulnerable. You don't like it? I don't like it. I'm not being vulnerable. I'm just telling the truth. weird well thank you for being so vulnerable and sharing your thoughts i think uh the word vulnerable you don't like it i don't like it i'm not being vulnerable i'm just telling the truth she doesn't understand it i'm just telling the truth she literally doesn't understand you're speaking my language but like you know i'm not being vulnerable vulnerable for me would be like

and i'm being 100 if i had to like take my top off in a show and like show myself that to me is vulnerable but me telling you the truth is more like i'm comfortable to i don't know i just is that the thing it's different like it may probably case by case you know you're speaking about your comfort level with i mean it sounds like you know you're up with honesty truly yeah and and and you know not let you know what other people are thinking about you is none of your business type of thing. Very Wayne Dwyer. And so, yeah. But I guess for other people, it's a little... We talk to a lot of people where honesty is a bugaboo with themselves.

I know. I'm a little different. I only brought that up. You're totally right. Use that word. But my wife and I talk about it all the time. I'm like, I'm not fucking... You're a giving guest.

We love it. It's time for texting officers. You want to get some relationship advice? right let's uh bring them up of course how's it going hi my name is trixie i'm 25 and i'm sending a text to my husband to get a divorce okay well to like let him know that you want a divorce oh he's been known oh it's been a lot of back and forth uh he's just i don't even know where to start with this this story is a little crazy but i guess i could start from when we met which was about exactly a year ago and three months later we got married so a lot went into that to summarize i thought i was in love i thought he was the one and at the same time if i hadn't gotten married um he might have been

you know at risk of staying in the country so backstory here story here is he is Brazilian, which is my type. I'm also Brazilian. So that was kind of like a weak point for me. And basically, we got married, moved in together. Oh, I should also add he had when I met him, he had a newborn with another woman. Yeah, at the time, she was like eight months, an eight-month-old baby. So I suddenly became a wife and a stepmother, which was a lot. And things started to change between us. He wasn't as caring as he was in the beginning. And we also like our intimacy just kind of died. Like in the three months that we were married, we maybe had sex once.

And before we got married, it was not like that at all. So I knew something was up. I tried everything to make sure he was comfortable to open up with me. And this man convinced me that he made the story up that he was addicted to porn. other addiction started reading into it and a few months go by and basically come to find out he just lost the traction for me I don't know maybe I gave him the ick I'm so sorry to hear about all of this and because I want to make sure we get to like the heart of this of like because it sounds like you have so many valid reasons for knowing that this is not a marriage for you that you definitely want to exit it and so right now you're at a point where you've told him you want to divorce and is he sort of like he's not kind of going through with like the legal process of it or kind of like because i want to

make sure like with where we're at now like how can we most help you yeah because you open and saying you wanted to text him and it's just like are we sure we want to text this but you could also you could also call the producers of 90 day fiance and see if they can help you get on a show real quick and kick his ass out of the country. I mean, that is a thing. You could definitely go on a show and figure that out. Okay. This whole like legal side of it is tricky because like in theory, he's not a threat to me.

He's just trying to stay in the country, probably. He's not a threat to me. He's just trying to stay in the country, probably. Whereas I am not willing to put my life at risk to help him, even though I kind of already did that. So I told him, like, I want a divorce. And he said he was trying to convince me to wait it out, to do it next year. And I told him it's not happening. Does he have access to your bank accounts?

No. Oh, okay. Are you living in the same state as him? No. Do you have ability to move to a different state? I mean, sure, but I'm not really willing to. Okay. But you guys are in different states already.

Yeah. Yeah. So you don't need to move so i think i'm hearing kind of what you're getting at answer this for me he's refusing to sign any documents because he wants to keep himself in this country more or less yes but he's not saying that he's unwilling to sign them. He's saying that he will sign them. It's just like, he's trying to sign it later. And now I'm coming into the conversation saying,

I am not willing to wait. And the last text I sent him was, can you meet me at this bank where we can get like a notarized signature. By yourself? No. With him. I hope that somebody goes with her to that because just you is not working.

You need somebody else that he is quote unquote afraid of that can make you feel secure and him say, oh shit. Who would that be? Like a lawyer? Or a family member? What are you considering? Because I'm agreeing with lawyer, family member and a big old dude. Yeah, I am considering like legal action, but I am also closer to his family than he is himself. Calling

somebody's mama also help. Yeah. Have you consulted with them or asked for help? People respond to requests for help. I guess I'm at that point trying to figure out what to do because being patient with him and understanding, it's not leading anywhere. Yeah. Screw patience and understanding. I mean, you clearly have the right to be out of a relationship. It sounds like this relationship and marriage started under false pretenses a little bit as well so you've tried to be the empathetic and understanding person he's kind of that that's expired so you

know kind of a raven's point i think you just you need you need to just take care of yourself you've mentioned that you got to do what you have to do. I guess my question to you is, because I'm not well-versed in divorce and how you do that and what do you do when you want a divorce, but your partner won't sign one, but what are your options and what have you avoided doing yet and what could you do? I have avoided taking legal steps, like talking to a lawyer yeah the only lawyer i know is his lawyer so maybe i should start there but i was wondering if i should maybe if i could avoid that by maybe going to his mom his mother or my brother-in-law if you haven't talked to his mom or his brother-in-law yet i would definitely do that especially if you think you have rapport with them and just say, hey, listen, I'm sorry this

happened, but like, we're just not happy. I've tried everything I could. This man won't touch me. You know, I'm not happy. Like I've exhausted it. And now I just feel like I'm his prisoner and he won't let me free. And I was, I need your help because like, it's just not fair. And he's not willing to work with me on the relationship. So I want out of the relationship. And so exhaust those resources. Yeah. Just call his mom. And I would just say, you know, if that doesn't work, cause it might not, you know, like then yes, I think sometimes we just have to invest in ourselves and sometimes we have to spend money on things that we don't want to. And it always feels like a waste to like hire a lawyer, but like there's a reason why they exist and the reason why sometimes they're necessary. And it might just be a small investment into your future. You're only 25. You're super young. We can

get out of this and chalk this up to like, a lot of people out there have made some poor mistakes in their 20s, including marrying the wrong people. And I think now that you know you want out, you got to do whatever you have to do to get out, even if that means spending a little money and you'll work harder on the back end to get that back. But the emotional cost could be worse. And in my opinion, you, if you haven't done this already, could send him a text message that very clearly states your intention and you should have a deadline. It should literally be to, in my opinion, if you have not signed these papers by, I'm pulling out a random thing, October 17th, I'm letting you know that I'm going to take legal action against you because I'm not playing around. You have to be that clear, that clean, because before you need to go spending money on a lawyer, there are things that you can do that you haven't done, which include, I think, being very, very direct, giving him a very clear deadline and reaching out to his family. And it's going to feel daunting when you have to make big changes in your life.

It feels massive. But the problem is, is that it's not as massive as the turmoil that your body is going through right now. Trixie, I'm not as sensitive as the people who has told you what you need to do is you need to watch the first Wives Club from the 90s. Okay? Go first watch that movie

because then you'll realize that once it's over and you get them out of your hair, you'll be singing with Bette Midler down the hall. You don't own me. Da-na-na-na-na-na. I love that we don't know the words.

Don't tell me what to say. But I'm serious. I know it's really because it seems heavy on your heart the way that you explain it. You have so many things. And sometimes when you have a daunting task in front of you, it paralyzes you from doing what you would normally do if it was a friend. And to Nick's point, you are young. You have your whole life ahead of you. This is a blurb. Like, you don't have to consider this as a defining moment.

And I mean, like it's a big deal, but this is not going to define your future or what can come. You just have to, I believe everything happens for a reason. And this might be what you're experiencing right now because you have to find your voice. You have to be a little bit more assertive. You have to be more clear in communication. There are so many potential learning or lessons and silver linings for you to pull from this that will only hopefully make you feel more confident and more self-assured in yourself. So you can do this. And whether you believe it or not, or whether you had to have this happen, most importantly,

if you want it to be, it can be a very defining positive moment in your life where you start showing up for future you like it sucks now because it feels like i never imagined i'd get married and have to get divorced these all these you know self-judgment thoughts we have when we're in these positions when i got engaged and at a young age and then then she did on very similar, like, oh God, I can't believe this happened to me and yada, yada, yada. But like, that was literally one of the best moments of my life. You know, it really, I kind of feel like I woke up.

So this can happen to you. And to exhaust all your resources, this guy might very much respond to a scary letter. You've been super nice and empathetic and understanding. And you're like talking to him like as his wife now you need to talk to him as like someone who doesn't want anything to do with them and bad ass bitch strong business not taking shit listen up this is what needs to happen you have to sign on october 17th or i am telling you that you're going to have a lawyer I'm calling your mother Maury and scare him a little bit

so first it's call mom plead with her but quickly after I wouldn't have much patience and these things that you do try don't give them like a month to work give them days to work you have the power assert it thank you I needed to hear that

you have to let us know how this goes we are so invested you can do this i think miranda's text is perfect please please please keep us updated and just okay we big big manifestation believers in this room so if if you really want out of this relationship i truly believe that it might not be easy and it might you know be some challenges and some, some tough conversations and maybe even some money spent. But you can get out of it. Yes, you can. Good luck to you.

Emotionally, I'm already completely out. So it's all about the lasting legality of it. That's the hardest thing when you disconnect that emotion. You got it, Gert. Come on, Gert. Well, good luck. We're sorry you're going through this. We definitely are going to need an update.

So please let us know how it goes. We're here for you. Genevieve will be reaching out and touching base with you. Sorry you're going through this, but let this be a defining moment in a positive way for your life. It's certainly easy. If you decide it to be, it will be. I believe in that for sure. Definitely. Thank you so much. And thank you for all of the episodes. I've been listening for a while and it's been so helpful to my life and I'm sure a lot of everyone else's lives. Well, I really appreciate you. Thank you so much for everything you do. I appreciate it. And just take care of yourself. And next time you meet someone you get really super excited about, just take your time. Let it marinate. Lesson learned. Get to know them. That's okay. We've all made some

tough decisions in our lives. I know I have. Take care. Alright, take care. Bye. Bye. Raven. Yes. Miranda. Nick. So much fun. It was fantastic. What a pleasure. I enjoyed it. Anything else you want to plug away? Yeah! We want to plug away

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Oh, if they did? I'll be a princess again. Get on that phone. I wonder if they would allow my gender expression, like, just to see a princess. Of course. That would be fun. I don't know if they would, but they should. I'll call Debra Martin Chase.

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