The Viall Files - E648 Reality Recap with Amy Kaufman - Taylor & Travis, Love is Blind, Golden Bachelor, and BIP

Episode Date: October 3, 2023

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap Edition! Today we are joined by friend of show Amy Kaufman to talk about all things reality TV. First, we talk about Taylor Swift attending the Chiefs vs. Jets game with her star-studded entourage. Then, we dive into the latest episodes of Love is Blind - from Lydia and Milton’s compatibility to JP and Taylor’s makeup debate to Izzy not being able to provide Stacy’s preferred lifestyle. Then, we talk about The Golden Bachelor and Gerry’s first night in the mansion. Finally, we break down the first episode of Bachelor in Paradise and what we hope for in the coming season.  “This girl is swallowing so many icks to make this work. You exclusively wear red, white, and blue.”  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Join us for our new LIVE show on Thursdays at 9PM ET/6PM PT on Amp, available in the Apple app store. Android User? Listen here: https://www.onamp.com/   To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Care/Of - For 50% off your first Care/of order, go to https://www.TakeCareOf.com and enter code viall50. Aura - For a limited time, Aura is offering our listeners a 14 day trial plus a check of your data to see if your personal information has been leaked online, all for FREE when you visit https://www.AURA.com/viall  Peloton - Try the Peloton App today for free for 30 Days. New paid memberships only, starting at $12.99/mo after trial, unless canceled. Terms apply. NutriSense - Visit nutrisense.com/viall to save $30 off your first month plus get a month of board certified nutritionist support.   Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @amykinla @alison.vandam @liffordthebigreddog @dereklanerussell @genevievegoodman 

what's going on everybody welcome back to a new and exciting episode of the vile files reality recap edition and oh boy do we have so much to talk about we got love is blind episodes 5 through 7 we got golden bachelor we got bachelor in paradise and more and most importantly we got taylor swift watching the jeff's cheats game that love affair continues

and we have the one and only amy kaufman returns the vile files friend of show from the la times herself. Welcome back, Amy. Glad to have you. It's so good to be with you.

How you been? Good. I haven't seen you since, since you announced you're having a baby. Yeah. We felt, we felt our baby kick for the first time yesterday. Very exciting.

What are you doing? We're just sitting on the couch watching football. Love is blind. Or football. Which one? One of them. What is it? I always ask my female,

like, what does it feel like? It felt literally exactly how you could imagine what it feels like. Literally, there's like an alien inside of you and it just, I don't,

it just, yeah, like, you are getting, like, punched from the inside out. It's really weird. Did you like it or were you like, whoa? I was like, whoa. Okay.

Yeah. And you felt it too? Yeah. For you, it's probably awesome. Yeah. Yeah, you're not getting punched from the inside. It's like going to. Okay. And you felt it too? For you, it's probably awesome. Yeah. It's like going to the doctors and seeing the ultrasounds. We saw the 3D, 4D image of her

last week, so that was very cool. So anything that makes it feel more real is very cool for me because other than that, what makes it real for me is obviously seeing Natalie's belly grow and anything I can do to help her out is a like an ounce of realism in the pregnancy but like seeing her the baby and like actually feeling her kick that's wild i was laying down

and had like my hand kind of just resting on my stomach like watching football and i felt it i just felt her and he puts his hand on it and she kicked two more times. He's like, can you feel that? And I was like, of course I can. It's in my stomach. I don't know if it was like a baby or like you're feeling it through me. Well,

I didn't know if it was like her or maybe something else. It's not like a huge, you know. Her feet are tiny. Yeah. That's amazing. I know.

The rest of the night he's like, can we filter? Anything else? It's like when you see a shooting star and then you get really greedy and you're just like i gotta look at this guy all night i'm always like touching her stomachs i want to like feel every time she and i feel uh i feel jealous that nally

like when i'm not with nally i'm not feeling her stomach she's gonna she could kick and i won't be there you're like fomo totally we were at dinner last night we were picking FOMO across from each other and I was like oh she just kicked him he was like no I'm jealous oh my I couldn't you can start kicking him are you like the person who's like I'm gay

like I heard you talk in one of your episodes about like we're pregnant oh yeah like you're like I'm gaining sympathy

like you're that dude oh no 100% 100% yes I wanna he eats so many sweets and he's like we're pregnant.

We're just so hungry. He made the best chocolate chip cookies over this weekend. It was incredible. No, it was bizarre because Nick's mother makes the best. Did we have a craving? It was Nick's cooking. Yeah, we did. Nick's mother makes the best cookies ever.

She's an amazing cook, baker, everything. And so... It was really an embarrassing moment for me. Nick was, like, very embarrassing for Nick. He's, like... I bought... His birthday was last week. So I bought him chocolate chips as, like, I'll make you some cookies, you know?

Okay. I ended up making them because Jojo Siwa sent over a box of, like, 12 cookies from Crumble, which they're massive. So he sees the chocolate chips in the pantry he's like oh my gosh you were gonna make me cookies and i'm like yeah and he's like i really want those like can we do it i'm like sure he's like okay i'm gonna go get the mixer no no i don't use the mixer like i'll just hand mix it like my mom uses the mixer i had i had oh my god super embarrassing and i like was so self-aware I was doing it. But one of those like, but my mom does it this way.

It was like, I'm not your mom. Do you want my cookies or your mom's cookies? And I felt very Ray Romano on Everyone Loves Raymond, where he's just obsessed with how his mom cooks. I was very aware of how embarrassing. The inner child was coming to the forefront. But anyways, Natalie stood her ground. And they were amazing. We made them the way she wanted to.

He did make me call his mother to confirm the ingredients. Is this okay? Did she stir them herself? Maria has to sign off at every phase. They're as good, if not better than any cookie I've ever had from my mom. Wow. They were that good. That's huge.

You don't have to say what it is, but does she have a secret ingredient? I'm happy to share. It's really simple. On the back of the chocolate chips, the Toll House, it says,

follow that, but then it also says at the end, like, if you don't use nuts, then use one to two tablespoons of flour more. We used one and a half.

And so we used, like, one and a half, and then Nick wanted a little extra vanilla extract. A little extra vanilla. A little extra vanilla. A little extra vanilla. That's it.

Anytime you're baking a pancake, if they ask for vanilla, always add more than they. I agree. Than they ask for. But they're great cookies. That's amazing. It was so good. All right. So we're going to go love is blind.

We're going to go Golden Bachelor. Then we're going to go, we're going to bring it home with Bachelor in Paradise. Did you cry on Golden Bachelor? Oh, yeah. I teared up. You didn't? Nick was sobbing. Oh, I thought you it home with Bachelor in Paradise. Did you cry on Golden Bachelor? Oh, yeah. I teared up. You didn't? Nick was sobbing. Oh, I thought you were like, I'm emotionless.

No. Sobbing. Sobbing. Wait, I have a question for you guys. Okay. So everyone under, well, how old are you now? 43. Yes.

Okay. But the younger generation, I feel like, is so moved by the show. Everyone loves it. And then people who are my parents' age, like 65 and over. I've heard a lot of specifically women being like, oh, this is so sad. Like these women are so desperate. And I'm like, what? Lopez, who writes about like retirement and being that age. And he and he recall like writes about him and his wife watching it. And that was kind of their reaction was like they didn't find it sweet. And I was like, that's so interesting. Is there something like generationally where they don't like we're just used to growing

up and seeing people on reality TV? I mean, this person you said who wrote that piece married. Yeah. And to me, it sounds like it is more like the benefit of still having a partner later in life. Right. And they're speaking from a place of, I guess, relationship privilege, if you want to call it like call it that. And like judgmental be like, well, how could these people not like figure out like. Well, my mom, we wanted my mom to go on it, but they said she was too young. Sixty five, which is definitely not.

No, she's not too young. But this was way back when. This was years ago when they first pitched it. And then we just kind of forgot about it. And then now that it's coming out, I talked to my mom about it again and was like, this is the show. And she was like, I'm just not really interested in fighting over a man with a bunch of women. I was like, hmm, interesting. I mean, it's like that first time you watch The Bachelor, which is hard to go back to that mindset. But when you watch it and you're like, why would anyone do this?

This is like embarrassing. And we've just like watched it so much. It's like, yeah, of course, this is what you do. We're indoctrinated. But like for maybe that generation coming into it, it's just like, this is so sad. They're just going to take whoever is given to them. Like, I don't know. We'll have to find out.

I definitely could see that, though. Yeah. I also think your point is really interesting to think about how this is a generation where, you know, apart from like some game shows like, you know, like Jeopardy! Wheel of Fortune, where they have a real like age span. And when it comes to kind of this more like social romantic reality TV shows, like these people are probably of a generation where like nobody from their generation has been on these kinds of shows. Because like they came to be about 20 years ago. Like even then they would still be in their like, you know, 40s or 50s. And so it's so fascinating to think about, like, if you would always conceived of reality TV as something like, you know, those crazy young people do who don't have as good judgment. And now all of a sudden it's your peers.

Like, I can imagine that that would be kind of a shock to the system. You'd have a big reaction about it. You know, older women a lot of times will like wear shorter hair. And she's like, oh, my God, not that their hair can't be real. Like that's extensions or like, you know, like no one has their a lot of natural hair. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, that that part's great.

That's the classic how people watch these shows to not only critique on the relationships, but pick apart the people on it and and kind of see themselves through the lens of... Yeah. I think it's great. But more on Golden Bachelor later in the episode. Before we get to Love is Blind, Taylor Swift is still in a relationship with Travis Kelsey, and we couldn't be happier.

So SNL, over the weekend, decided to re-air Travis Kelsey's episode of SNL. And that reminded me of just why I think these two could be perfect together. I still think it might also be a bit of a PR stunt only because Taylor Swift's At The Jets game and it's all this big hoopla, her music cut to commercial Taylor Swift's movie. You can buy tickets now. It's like if this wasn't on purpose. music, cut to commercial, Taylor Swift's movie, you can buy tickets now. It's like, if this wasn't on purpose, what? The voice commercial with Carson Daly making everything about football and her songs.

Yeah. If it is a PR stunt, honestly. Well executed. Well, so, I mean, like, this is beyond incredible. I don't know what's more impressive, like love or. But he was so good on SNL. That was when I truly was like, oh my God, aloha. Okay, like

when... This is embarrassing, but... I saw this on your Instagram story. I cover like the coolest... I'm not cool, but like every year I get to go to the Vanity Fair Oscars party and like there's really strict rules for that. They used to be you could only go for, if you were a journalist, like for one hour

and they would like come find you, the PR person, you'd like check in and like leave now they let you go for the whole time but you're not supposed to like approach celebrities like you can't like interview them normally you're just supposed to observe which I think is kind of worse by the way like yeah just like spy and write what they're saying like no no I'm just watching you sorry we can't talk it's so weird I like saw Travis Kelsey and I was like, I was like, Oh my God. I was like,

you were so funny on SNL. And I didn't, I was like, okay. Athlete. Sometimes I'm like, you've really surprised me. And he was like,

Oh, thank you. He was like, so obviously so hot and really nice. And I was like, I feel like I got in early with the Travis obsession. Cause I was like, but I've been reminded that he even did SNL.

To me, it was like, that's why these two are perfect. Hear me out. It's because most people on SNL who host it, for the most part, are actors, right? They're usually promoting a TV show or movie that they're doing. Every once in a while, you get an athlete or a musical performer. Or like occasionally a politician. Sure. When they're feeling frisky

that kind of supersedes their career they've they've outgrown like their their space and they're so big that they are getting to host SNL right like most musical most musical artists are just musical guests on SNL but every once in a while you have a Miley Cyrus or Taylor Swift so but the fact that Travis Kelsey just being a tight end football player, is so popular and so good and so talented that he can host his own SNL episode. To me, these two people, Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey, it can be like, yeah, they can talk about their SNL episode that they've hosted. And the fact that like they are both individually kind of out, you know, are so talented in their own space just kind of speaks to how like

compatible they are and how easy it is for them to relate to each other just because they both hosted SNL. The whole relationship is just basic. So Lauren Michaels, we can think Lauren, is how they hosted SNL. No, I just think it just speaks to like why they,

they work, you know? He's not just some football player. He's like a, there was, I saw, this is so embarrassing. On Demois, there was like a, I don't know if it was a podcast clip or something, but they were like, his position in football helps explain why they're compatible because he's a tight end.

So he can- Block. Interact. Yes, he's willing to block for the star when necessary, but he's also like willing to catch fine, but like run to the end zone when he needs to be the star or whatever. So maybe that's right. I don't know. He's multi-talented, but he can be the center of attention or he can like be around a bigger

entity than him. True. Yeah. Do you have a Travis obsession or no? Oh, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I'm definitely on their podcast TikTok oh I

was like every TikTok that I scroll is about the Kelsey's their podcast um this morning I learned that Travis got kicked off of his college football team for what for testing for marijuana I love it and his coach is like sorry but like you're cut're done. Can't have you on the team. That's not acceptable. And he went and moved in with Jason. They put their queen beds next to each other in one room and lived together. And Jason was like, you're going to be on the right track. You cannot

do this. You can't fuck up. He went and talked to that coach and the coach was like, all right, you have to maintain a 3.0 GPA. You cannot miss a single class. You'll be drug tested every month. He figured his shit out. The pushing the beds together. He said he

had a room big enough to fit two queen beds. So I think maybe there was a little walkway in between. But basically there's two giant men. Two six five, two hundred fifty pound men. No twin XLs for them. Dude.

I've seen so many hilarious tweets over the last week about them. It was like, just let her have someone with slight brain damage who she can climb like a tree. Literally. And then you got his ex who's really trying to milk this. Did y'all see that interview with Insider? She called him a narcissist. No, no. She said this has nothing to do with Taylor.

It's cute though. I had him first. She did not. No, she did. You haven't seen this? Yes. No. I don't give time to the exes. We only do because she lost all credibility by saying how much she doesn't care but kept trying to throw Taylor under the bus and then she just flippantly called

Travis a narcissist. It's like, all right, just join the buzzword community. We truly are at a time where we've just replaced words. You know, narcissist and gas letter used to be like definitions to describe like certain types of people. Now it's just like jerk and asshole. We just don't call people jerks and assholes. They're just narcissists now. That's true.

You know, he's just a narcissist. Like, okay, he stopped liking you. call people jerks and assholes are just narcissists now. That's true. He's just a narcissist. Okay. He stopped liking you. She said Swifties are aggressive, very negative, very hypocritical. It's really crazy to me that someone I think is positive and really nice has such a negative and angry fan base.

She's in charge of everyone. They're all telling you about this. She was like, I'm getting a ton of death threats from Swifties, which I believe, of everyone. They're all telling this. They're all, she was like, I'm getting a ton of death threats from Swifties, which I believe, of course, you know, it's kind of like Selena Gomez fans.

But like, stop listening to the 13 year old girls who are DMing you and telling you you should die. Because that's usually what it is. Yeah, and we also don't know. And are you going to judge

a fan base based on like the fringe extreme? Because I feel like there's a lot of fan base. And like, granted, I think there's, it seems like there's some

where there's a little bit more of that. And I know there's it seems like there's some where there's a little bit more of that and I know there's big discussion especially with like Selena and Hailey Bieber like going back and forth about how much are you responsible for your fans actions like especially if they're cyber bullying but I think the fact of the matter is that a lot of people who are like at a certain level of success do have fans who are going to send unhinged death threats that's so inappropriate okay but it was her delivery is if she kind of was subtly blaming taylor for it right exactly her whole interview was being like i love taylor but she fucking sucks it was basically the tone of the interview and it came off of her liking that instagram post saying that taylor's was a five like oh yeah i forgot about that okay feminist like anti-feminist queen what are you doing doing? That's so icky. I'm just all in on it.

Like I need, I last night, first of all, like it's made Sundays so much better. Like I don't have to just tolerate, like I'm just be on my phone

while my boyfriend's watching football. Like I literally was invested. I was like 520, babe. That's when it's on. And then like during it, I was like, look up when Taylor's

international tour starts. So I guess she's on the road from like the early November, but just for a month. And then it goes, it starts again in March. So I was like, okay up when Taylor's international tour starts. So I guess she's on the road from like the early November, but just for a month. And then it goes, it starts again in March. So I was like, okay, so they're only missing like three weeks. So like they could still be dating because that's not like so long to be apart. Right. Because it doesn't like a bit of it overlap with his bi-week too.

Like he could go out to like the UK or Paris and they could have a little. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Like Argentina or something. His bi-week is when she plays in Argentina wow guys we are sad and and NFLers do get out of town for their bi-week also it's one of my favorite things too because as being a huge football fan and pop culture fan it's I I am getting a real big kick out of the non-pop culture football fan guys who are just losing their mind when they're like i don't i

just want to watch football to watch football and i don't want to hear about taylor swift and they're just absolutely losing their minds over it it's fucking hilarious does it seem like a little much like how much the nfl is leaning in yeah it's fun i don't like the sales are up their viewership is up like why wouldn't they yeah why wouldn't they? What an amazing opportunity to increase your women audience. Yeah. Of course, they should overdo it.

I mean, what do you expect them to do? Now you got Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman and Blake Lively all coming and it's just like a star-studded Hugh Jackman is not someone I expected to be part

of that friend group. That was talking to me. That's like a Ryan Reynolds. Yeah, their besties. Best day of Sean Levy's life. And he was going through a divorce right now. Post-divorce, right. Hugh Jackman is not someone I expected to be part of that friend group. That was like a Ryan Reynolds. Yeah, their bestie. Best day of Sean Levy's life. And he was like going through a divorce right now. He needs to get out and make some friends.

She loves to protect the ones post-divorce. Yeah. Going through the divorce. Sophie was there. Sophie was there. She's like, you know, like animal nurseries where they take like animals from the wilderness that get injured and like nurse them back to health and then like set them free. I feel like that's like Taylor Swift with broken hearts. She really wants to like nurture people until they are ready to be free

again. Yeah. It's, it's such a fun thing. I hope it lasts forever. And it, it makes sense. It makes sense,

but like, it doesn't make sense. I just mean like she's, she's had such a long history of dating musicians and actors where I just feel like that's her space. And she's so dominant in that space that I like that she is dating someone who's not in that space who can dabble in that space, but be super successful in his own space. And he's just as dominant with the world that he operates on. And he's super charismatic and super confident and he can certainly hold his own.

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Or should we just hop right into the like Stacey, Izzy? No, let's go. It's kind of what Amy, what you mentioned that you were slightly down on this season. Yeah, I don't think this is the best season. I mean, obviously, one, I think having only two couples they're following is just inherently less. Oh. We started with three. But it's down to two.

Yeah, but we very quickly lost them. The sugars immediately. Sugar butt and sugar. The sugar high-ended. Oh, my God. Sugar butt. There's so much drama this season. Please call him sugar butt.

Sugar butt. Oh, my God. Who called who sugar butt? Taylor and JP. please call him sugar butt sugar butt who called who sugar butt taylor and jp taylor called jp sugar butt and he called her sugar i believe okay yeah i'm getting that but also did we hear derek's comment i said sugar turned sour oh why has anyone like actually understood why that guy wears only you're wearing americana jp merch JP merch I'm wearing JP merch so I bought this over the week and I'm like

I'm wearing this today why no it's so fucking bizarre his red white and blue I really want to have just like an OOTD of him on 4th of July

oh my god like how my closet's like like what are we giving right like is it is it normal like everyone else

like his day to day or does he go to the extreme i feel like he would go to the extreme right 100 yeah i feel like he gets an animatronic bald eagle that he like flies in on to the barbecue and is like in more prints than you've ever seen in your life yes if march 12th is him wearing red white and blue sneakers and red white and blue sunglasses and red white and blue t-shirts, then what is the 4th of July? Yeah, that's a great question.

Oh, yes. Yeah. A patriot. I love Love is Blind because even with Unbachelor, we don't try to recap the people or recap the characters. And Love is Blind,

like, is casting, like, real-life people in real-life relationships and showing real-life situations where it's just a group of people with red flags. Everyone, we could go down this list between Ushi, Aaliyah, Johnny, Lydia, Milton, Taylor, JP, Stacey, Chris, and Izzy. And we could sit there and spend 20 minutes talking about each person's red flags. They've shown red flags from each of these people. And that's kind of what

dating is. It's just like, no one's perfect. Everyone has their flaws. Everyone has their baggage. Everyone can get triggered when they get triggered some of them sometimes they handle it well sometimes they handle it poorly and it's just like fun to break down and dissect which is what i because like yeah there's no one really here the downside is unlike bachelor bachelor that carves out these characters and they whitewash their heroes and it's you know these good-looking simple people who like are unproblematic and so you can just fall in love with them via the soundtracks that get played kindergarten teacher with a heart of gold yeah and it's just like oversimplified and you're just like and you relate to them because you think you see yourself through them or whatever it is and you just love them for it and then i think this is why this season isn't

good because like the few personalities that there are are so extreme i don't see them as like everyday type type of like l Lydia is so intense and like over the top and Milton is like clearly just like going along for the ride and like I don't know it's like why I don't like Bachelor in Paradise because on Bachelor in Paradise you're just following like the people who were the characters of the season like the villains or like the what you know like people controversial yeah I don't like have real feelings for them like I'd necessarily know if she'd want to like hang out with them or something. So it just feels unrealistic to me.

It's like the heightened versions of people, not the everyday. I've seen so many of Lydia's in my day. I've dated Lydia's in my day. What? Have you seen Lydia's, guys? Maybe not to her extent, but I definitely have been in rooms with women. I also think we're downplaying. I think there's a lack of self-awareness for all of us that like at our worst, we don't have cameras on us.

Now, when we watch a fight with two people on reality TV, we have no grace for someone getting triggered or upset or acting poorly or doing something that requires an apology. Dude, it's not grace. It's like her going and being like, we are the same. We're the same. She's just so intense. I'm like, take it down 70 notches. Like, 70. I know.

But they're out there. Fine, but I'm not friends with them. I don't want to watch them on TV. Sorry. We were saying we know the producer of the show. And I was texting her from the first episode. I was like, I cannot stand this chick. No, but she's awesome TV.

I struggled during her scenes as well. Yeah, let's get into it. Because with Lydia, I feel like there's a real question about like some kind of some behavior that I feel like is definitely on the spectrum of stalking or being very involved and kind of monitoring a partner. When she was talking about, you know, on one hand, I could see how Uche would totally feel really like violated and creeped out by that. I also felt like they were really giving us like the scary, like creepy serial killer soundtrack while he was describing it. What did you make of her kind of texting him a photo from her house and having followed the Instagram stories of several women that he follows? The Instagram stories, whatever. That's embarrassing that she got caught, but we've all done that maybe.

But like the sending the pic, I would. If you got a text from someone you were dating, they like. No, not dating someone you just ended things with. And they said they're in front of your house. Yeah. I see you. According to Uchi, this was after he had been see you according to uchi this uchi this was after he had been like

but it was like after he allegedly said hey i just this isn't working out for me there's the thing. You're still thinking about Uche Uche? Uche Uche. That makes it even worse. I think Uche is a fucking lawyer and he provided the evidence and he is very like, the way he delivers stuff

is over the top and intense. Like he's in a courtroom and he is really trying these cases and I feel like the evidence that he right yeah he kept having to be like and i can show you this and i can show you this and i have proof of that and it's like yeah it's embarrassing like who really cares about the instagram stuff i don't i think it was a little weird that she was looking at people he follows and watching their stories i mean i guess I guess I would understand if he was with

them that night and she was like, let me go see. But if it's just random people he follows, they're like, who the fuck is this? To a degree that allowed other people to notice. You don't just randomly notice one time and be like, I don't know. I don't know who that is. But at a degree of which you're like, who the fuck is

this Lydia person? I was like, does this girl have four followers? How is she noticing that this girl like that yeah that was kind of odd too yeah it must be weird and the house like i can see how that can be taken out of context in a way like i'm sure i've i don't know i've been at a place with someone where i've maybe hooked up with them once and i see them and i text them like i see you and they And they're probably like, what the fuck? And it's like, Oh, we're in the same restaurant or whatever. Like, I feel like I've probably done that. I feel like it's definitely weird.

That if she's right. Sure. I feel like maybe if he lives in a neighborhood and she can't just like drive her. But do we think she's on good terms? The big question is, the big question is, do we think that she suspected Uche was going to go and love is blind and that's how she ended up on the show

in the first place because that's the allegation uche posted last night on his instagram stories that it's been confirmed that he can prove the lawyer that uche is or whatever we haven't seen any evidence nick you're watching uchi's stories no well because i i heard i heard he didn't show up for he clint he didn't show up for the reunion he posted on his stories and he's like promoting he's like he did like a q a so someone informed me of it so i went in preparation for our show he's gonna be like nick vile yeah probably i'm stalking you uchi gucci And yeah, I read some of his Q&A, which he addressed some of these things.

And he has... So, but do we think that Lydia, that is a big coincidence that two people who dated months prior to this show and had, I guess, what was the situationship or something? Because he's like, we never dated. And he kind of... Oh, that did you cheat on Lydia? And he was like, no, because we... I didn't cheat on's like we never dated and he kind of he did you cheat on

lydia and he was like no because we i didn't cheat on her because we never dated we were both seeing other people at the same time it's like were you only seeing other people and then he referred to and then he was like and if and if we were seeing someone when we went through the casting process and when they asked lydia if you look who was the last person you dated if we were dating she would have said me which fine but that doesn't make sense when because it's almost a contradiction to the fact that like well no because if you're accusing her of sneaking her way onto the show she wouldn't have admitted to you dating even if you were dating because you're accusing her of planning this whole thing out so which one is it right right well that was well well right did you follow yeah but i just

don't like i don't want to talk about them anymore you just hate them i don't like them they're on the show i like izzy that's about? Izzy. You don't like him? No. He doesn't come off great in episodes five through seven. No. Do we want to address at all the Aaliyah and Uche conversation? I'm kind of surprised that, again, back to it seems like people just want to take sides. And to me, it's just like they both have their red flags. I thought Aaliyah seemed nice.

She dodged a bullet, honey. I'm sure she seems nice, but to me, does she, she doesn't, to me, she seems like someone who like may or may not have like addressed why she decided to cheat on someone a couple of years later. And then like she left without telling Uche. Then she comes back. Just seems all a bit dramatic. But she, I mean, I kind of saw it as like, this girl was like, okay, this is fucking weird.

I'm out. Like that's the most normal reaction you could actually have in that situation. Yeah, I mean, I kind of saw it as like, this girl was like, okay, this is fucking weird. I'm out. Like, that's the most normal reaction you could actually have in that situation. Yeah, I agree. Everyone. Ghosting? Leaving the show. It's like, okay, there's a lot of people manipulating me. Like, bye.

But then be done. Yeah, but then the producers probably were like, please, please. Like, you're contractually, I'll be late. Whatever. So you look at Aaliyah and I'm sure she's wonderful, but you don't see any, you don't, you watch that and go, no red flags there. That is a well-grounded, emotionally healthy person

who's like ready to- Compared to those other two, yeah. But her like following him on Instagram, blocking him on Instagram, sending him a voicemail, deleting the voicemail. That shit out though is like- It's dirty.

Dirty politics. It's so fucking heady. Like when he, and then I went to message you, but then you had uns message you but then you had unsent it and then you had done this

and it's and she probably feels so embarrassed and he's just like blasting her on national television like lawyer mode

lawyer mode yeah it is weird that she's done that and if she's doing that just walk away don't decide to be like

oh no no no I'm gonna use this and like let's set a scene up so I can just roast you. He's just trying to take her down. Clearly, he's not planning on dating her. Or actually, he claimed that they agreed to date off the show in his Instagram stories.

And kiss. And kiss. So who knows? But yeah. No, he's a little dirty. All he cares about is winning. That's true. And that's probably why he didn't go to the reunion because he knew he'd lose yeah he knew he'd get ganged up on and he couldn't control it then what assume that alia is at the reunion i believe i

would i would guess i heard she was there yeah it's interesting how on love is blind it feels like the best kind of like most shining moment you can have is sort of like what dipty had with shake where she was like fuck you i deserve better and it feels like you see like contestants tend to err on the side of walking away and saying i want someone who chooses me as opposed to i'm going to stick it out and try to make it happen and i feel like sometimes you see various like flavors of that where with chris i genuinely believe that he was like nah this doesn't feel right i can't do it with johnny and then after the fact I genuinely believe that he was like, nah, this doesn't feel right. I can't do it with Johnny. And then after the fact, they reconnected and he was open to it.

But it didn't seem like he wanted his TV moment. It seemed like he was like very much making the decision in real time with Uche. I agree that there is kind of this like lawyer, like I am building a case for myself because we are now separate parties and I want to make sure I come out ahead in this. And like you are not as credible as you could seem. Who are the most sincere people? I feel like, you know, the right reasons argument, you know, who do you think is actually there to like give this experiment a shot?

And who do you think's there for TV? Of this? Of this group. Yeah. Guys, this is not a good group. This is not a good season. I think Taylor, Chris and Izzy are there for the the and jp i actually think jp was you know despite all his issues i would agree with this if he wasn't there

for tv milton wait pause chris do we feel so sad for him love i love chris but like should he be with that girl no johnny yeah no absolutely not that's and that's chris's red flag chris's red flag is ignoring red flags oh honey but i don But I don't know. He seemed, and granted, this is obviously such a small excerpt of their relationship. He seemed very prepared to comfort her. It felt like it wasn't so emotionally taxing. I feel like sometimes you'll see arguments where one partner is distraught and the other partner is doing their best because they know, okay, I'm not the distraught one in this situation. So I am trying to comfort you or like help you deescalate. And you can tell it's getting that person kind of like riled up trying to deescalate.

With Chris, it felt like he was so secure, so calm, so ready to reassure her in a way that felt like, oh, I could see them having a really nice like balance. And it feels like they both got to reclaim like the whimsy of like we saw each other in person and the connection was undeniable. I feel like that feels like such a reset of the love story element of this, which isn't necessarily important. But in shows like this, they're all trying to frame their own love story, which is why

I think they leave when someone doesn't choose them first, because that's not part of the love story. And so I feel like they actually have a shot and that Chris is a king. Johnny and Chris. Yeah. Well, I'm excited. We have Izzy and that Chris is a king. Johnny and Chris. Yeah. Well, I'm excited. We have Izzy coming in on this week of Going Deeper. We have lots to talk to Izzy about, including the ending of episode seven, which him and

Stacey seem like a couple of little mean girls. But I am curious about his perception because Izzy does seem like for all his faults that he really is all in on this whole, like love is blind experiment. Like, I think there's two kinds of people. I'm going to be cryptic here because I've heard things, but I want to wait till we interview Izzy and ask him before I kind of paint

the water, so to speak. But there are two kinds of people on love is blind, right? There are people who like, we'll call up these producers when they're going through this relationship problems and like, I guess use the producers by use. I mean like just go to the producers to like because they're the

only ones to talk to about like their relationship problems and they're just like there to ask a genuine like what should i do this happened we fought about this i don't fucking know like like someone would to a friend and then there are people on love is blind who are like hey so just you know we fought about this and if you want to bring the cameras over, like, we're ready to film, you know? And it's very much obvious to, like, some of the producers that it's really just, I found another way to get on TV. And I'm curious what Izzy has to say about that,

because what I didn't get between Izzy and Stacey is why are they so fucking mean to Johnny? I thought Izzy was kind of doing it. To show to Stacey something. Or like his. How into her he was. I don't know what it was. But Stacey did.

I thought this batch of episodes. Did not come off well. She was so mean to her. What about the paper plates? Would that bother you guys that much? No. At 29. Who the fuck cares? You're a man you live alone like i

don't expect you to have fine china i wouldn't love it but i wouldn't be like oh yeah i'd be like oh that's funny like let's go to target and buy some planes you walk in you go okay this tracks you clearly haven't dated someone yeah like me yet and his apartment was nice like you haven't dated an adult woman you're you're still on the college frat trajectory like as as every guy is to a certain degree nick did you ever have just paper like no but like it wasn't a ton better you know what i'm saying you're like mismatched silverware like in your 20s? That's when I met you. You had like a beautiful, decorated, you had great.

Thank you. You're very nice. But you have certainly elevated. You had a bar cart. Thank you. You're very nice. That was recent though. Right?

You have elevated our home on ways I can't even describe. As you did have. The point is like you've, to Amy's point, you've just, you took what you were working with when you met me and you're just like, let's just fix the problem.

Right. Rather than act like this couldn't be fixed. It's like, go to fucking Target. I do think when she asked if you made me dinner, you would serve it to us on paper plates. I did think that was a little weird. If I had a first date and a guy was serving on paper plates, I'd be like, you've made dinner, but I don't know. Yeah, his platings isn't great. But back to your original point, this isn't a solvable

problem. Agreed. She's treating it like a non-negotiable. And Stacey seems like at every step of the way from post-Mexico, where are these people from again? They don't really highlight. Ustallis. Houston.

Yeah. Remember Merriam? Houston. Okay. They don't seem to highlight as much as other seasons. Yeah, they really don't. Like I always knew they were in they're we just get like a few more like bless your hearts and american flags yeah and then it's like okay so anyways ever since they get back to houston stacy is just like every little problem she tries to make it into a bigger problem well she clearly

the whole theme of this slate of episodes was that she thinks or they're from different financial backgrounds and she can't get over it right like what did you think of the parent interaction i mean i love the line of sometimes love wants to fly first class which not wrong like we would all love to fly first class for sure um i thought it was funny how izzy's feet were dangling in the chair i saw that that too, yeah. That was a tough look for Iz. You need to see it. Yeah.

Yeah, that was rough. Yeah, well, okay, so when they first, when it's just Stacey and Izzy together, and the morning where Stacey has clogged the toilet, and it seems like they're very comfortable and I really clocked that as like oh wow like that would be kind of a nightmare scenario to like clog the toilet your first night or like one of the early nights you are staying with someone and you're on reality TV like that's a nightmare and it seems like they were both very much in good spirits about it so I was like okay like it seems like this is a couple who like they really prioritize like staying

connected having a good time no he's down to be flexible she's not thank you thank you every she she fucked up. You know, she broke a toilet, shit in the toilet. And Izzy.

She fucked up. She fucked up. She will never recover. No, but Izzy. She shit in the toilet. Izzy's like, he's like,

whatever, man. You know, everyone poops. He handles it the best possible way. He tries to diffuse the situation to amy's point but if it was the role was reversed stacy would have like figured out a way to make it seem like you're disgusting you don't flush a toilet how could you you're a man you can't handle

like a broken toilet why do you have to make it your problem my problem type of thing she's not reciprocating izzy is like he's there to like truly like embrace this experiment he's like is love is blind i don't know like there's a bunch of things i can worry about but i'm going to focus on our connection and stacy's literally the opposite like is love blind i don't know but i need to fly first class i need you and i have paper plates you know yada yada yada she makes everything seem like with the paper plates it was like do you think i'm not worthy enough to eat on glass like you think that i like that's how she makes everything it's like if he were to shit in the toilet she'd be like you don't think i'm like worthy enough to like get that cleaned up like where am i supposed to go to the restroom

now you know and like the tennis shoes on his bed, the lost and found. Should we talk about his lost and found drawer? Well, yes, we should. But like before, right before we do. But it seems like her, her family is like in the nicest possible way trying to. What? What did I do? I was just talking about his apartment. You're like, no, I want to keep things in order.

Let's go back to the family because i feel like there's like an over there's definitely like a financial component and they have some conversations about money so i feel like maybe like finishing up that thread is this more like every step of her way stacy's family and this is a thread throughout it's like they're trying and it's their daughter it's their sister so they're trying to be protective but the nicest possible way they're trying to be like she's kind of a spoiled brat yeah no they don't even seem to care that much well okay

I a lot of the stuff she said really rubbed me the wrong way I found it kind of classist that being said I know yeah okay it was a lot of it was like yeah I was like this is bad I do think Stacy has a mentality of I work very hard.

Like the fact that Stacey has gotten to where she is in life on her own thus far. And granted, I'm sure there were a ton of assistance from like parents or like they paid for her college. I'm sure there were ways that she had many, many, many advantages. That being said, I do think she is someone who has sustained this kind of lifestyle for herself. And I don't again, I don't think it was OK the way she was talking, but I think it was a little bit less bad because she was like making it a priority on her own. And it wasn't just something that she expected, like a partner or a man to come in and suddenly she would have this lifestyle. Like I kind of get where she's coming from. I have a mortgage on this house. We do need to talk about an HVAC

repair. Like I thought that was a valid conversation it was just she said so many other things around before and after that kind of tainted that but she also wants the man to pay for dinner so it's like she doesn't want she's not like I've worked hard and I want you to meet me where I am she's like we can do 50 50 on the house but like you have to pay for dinner and he was like oh do you just want the man to pay for everything and she goes no like she said it like that which is the most like okay you want the man you want to date your rich dad clearly yeah so okay so ultimately like i do think stacy's attitude towards money was like yeah like not the most progressive and certainly there are some undertones that like I wouldn't have been comfy with.

I do think there is at least a tiny bit of credit due for talking about this and talking about it in a pretty specific way. Again, I don't agree with those expectations of like a man paying for dinner every time. I do think it's important that she's talking about it. It seems like she is at least willing to be like transparent about her expectations, even if those expectations are a little bit whack. I hear you. It's just more it's not that she wants to talk about it. It's that she isn't trying to resolve the issues.

She's trying to bring them up and try any issue she comes up with. She's hoping that's the issue that justifies her being able to leave. She's like building a case. Interesting. I feel like I feel like she's building a case for herself so she can like dipty it at the end. Very much like, it's like every time there's a big moment,

like the Hannah Brown of it all. How many time, how many bachelorettes post Hannah Brown have we seen try to have a Hannah Brown moment? You know, a few. And I feel like Love is Blind, same thing. It's just like they've seen the playbook, they've seen the success.

And now I think stacy's trying to craft a narrative that will allow her to say no to izzy at the altar and i feel like a big part of this narrative is as you were saying the lost and found box the lost and found box what do we think fucking weird i think it's really fucking weird that he i would understand if which i feel like they did this in the past where they just showed up at the apartment and like it wasn't clean. It was right before they left for the show. And it was like you got to see them and they're real in their raw environment. Izzy did say he went to the house the night before and like picked up and he was like, I saw the I saw the lost and found drawer and I just didn't do anything with it.

That's fucking weird. Throw that shit out. Why are you keeping it? Why are you then making it a point to show Stacy? Like she made a joke about the nightstand. I think she's like, where do they put their earrings? He's like, oh, they put them right over here in this bathroom drawer where there's a ring and a bobby pin.

And like you had you had no reason to do that. Nick had a drawer. No, but. But what? But. I just. I had a closet. He had an entire room. He had a drawer no but but what but i just i had a closet i definitely did not have a drawer but i i think it's not as uncommon i think a lot of guys what did you have nick i didn't have a drawer what did you have nothing you never kept us

an errant earring that someone left at your house? I have, but usually it was to like, oh, they were going to pick it up and either eventually I threw it out. I did not have a collection, but guys do and they do because it's a trophy drawer. Like, look at this collection of things. Like their boys are like, what? It's like their conquest.

It's a conquest drawer. That's why Izzy has it. If you want to know why. No, I thought he might have it because it's like, you never know if you're gonna fuck that person again i think it's a combination but it's patinelli's it's a combination of both i think at first right it's like oh they left it behind so i'm not gonna just throw it out maybe i'll see him again whatever maybe we'll hook up again and then someone else came and someone else left something trivial behind and then he was like

i'll just throw it all in the same drawer i think at first organically it all happened like innocently but there was a point where he looked at this drawer and was like yeah i'm not yeah exactly and he just and and his reason for keeping it wasn't because he hoped to return it to its rightful owner it was a reminder of he fucks that that makes me sad i do think there was one thing he said in passing where he was like you were going through all the drawers anyway like where i could kind of see again i don't think he should have kept it in the first place but i could kind of see why he talked about it because he was like i want to beat her to it like it's gonna be so much worse like if she finds this versus like if i'm like nope this is where i have it then he could have thrown it away i don't even think it

was that i think uh it all just happened too fast i think i mean and this whole love is blind experiment he's not the only guy who you know hate to say it but it's i think more common than not a guy who's in his fuck boy era i mean i have plenty of girlfriends who keep like who still sleep in like a flannel from a dude from like many years. Single friends like I have friends. Yeah, that's more about the T-shirt, I'm guessing, than a drawer full of maybe. But like, oh, yeah, it's like a guy from one time. I'm just saying, like, I don't think Izzy's the super weird guy who might, you know, like it is a thing guys do.

But with him not throwing it out, I think he went on this experiment. You know, he left his apartment and like most people who go on reality tv they don't know what they're getting into they're they're thinking i don't know if i'm really gonna meet someone they're just like showing up whatever then they get immersed in this bubble they get kind of brainwashed some of them fall in love like izzy he meets a girl he comes back this is all going a million miles per hour he gets out of the bubble he's back into his apartment the first time he's kind of like doing an inventory of his house, sees the drawers, kind of like, oh shit, that's crazy. Kind of just closes it up. You're not really thinking about it,

not like panicking and they get rid of it. But then again, the next day she's there, it's all happening so fast. And then through these conversations, he's probably thinking, I probably should have got rid of that shit right and then a volunteers and information because he knows he it's probably fucking weird that he has it and then from that point on he doesn't know how to just say i fucked up it's super weird that i have that i should have got rid of it he knows it's weird and he knows he fucked up and he knows he should have got rid of it but he just didn't like I think it all happened so fast coming back from the bubble. You know, he left that show is a fuckboy.

Just kind of like fucking around, being 29, living life. Like, I'll go on a show. I'm good looking. I've been working out to like being fucking engaged. He wasn't planning on that. And he is trying to basically fix all this in real time. Well, we'll get to ask Izzy. Yeah, we sure will.

Are you going to come for that? Oh, for sure. I think Izzy has a warped perception of Johnny via Stacey. Yes. Stacey fucking hates Johnny. She's jealous. Yeah, I think it was hard because maybe Stacey was talking shit in the pods. It did seem like at least in the pods.

Johnny, you mean? You mean Johnny? No, no, Stacey, because like we didn't see Stacey talking shit about Johnny in the pods. Like we saw Johnny talking shit about Stacey. And granted, like Stacey was like, quote unquote, winning. So it's like, you know, she probably had less shit to talk or was feeling less threatened. But in general, like I do think there are moments where it seemed like Johnny was insecure, upset about the way things were going down and channeled that and like was speaking negatively

about Stacey in a way that was kind of tough. So I could see how with Stacey, it feels like a retaliation more than an attack towards Johnny, if that makes sense. But either way, it's like she's not being the bigger person. Yeah, it's like, OK, it's just hard because I do feel like Stacey had that really emotionally intelligent moment where she was comforting Lydia like way back when in the first chunk of episodes where she was saying really like honest but inspiring things where she was like, listen, like Milton

just needs time to process this information. Like, do not give up. Be brave. Like people need to use our past as like roadmaps on how to love us better. Like I feel like there was a moment where Stacey really like won me over with emotional intelligence. And then I feel like she lost all of it based on how she and Izzy were just, like,

being, like, real, like, mean girls. That's the thing. It's like, she has a right not to like Johnny. Don't like Johnny. Don't talk to her. Ignore her. But she doesn't ignore her. She's fucking mean to her.

Right. It's bad. It's bad. And when then Izzy, at the end, when he sits down with Johnny and just, like, goes off on her, like, I think one of the meanest things you can say to someone, when he sits down with Johnny and just like goes off on her. Like the, I think one of the meanest things

you can say to someone and it's like just an immediate sign that you're a fucking bully is when you say to someone, everyone else thinks this about you. If you like share your opinion, if you criticize someone, be like,

I think you're shady, is he, you know, it's just like tells Johnny and it's not just me, it's everyone else. Yeah. Like you're a fucking bully when you say that because first of all, you haven't pulled everyone else ever. You know, it's just like tells Johnny and it's not just me. It's everyone else. Yeah. Like you're a fucking bully when you say that.

Because first of all, you haven't pulled everyone else ever. You know, maybe one other person agrees with you and then you've turned that into everyone. Yeah, you're acting like you did a peer reviewed research study where you pulled everyone aside. And when you receive that information, even if you think they're just saying it to be mean, it is such a fucking cruel thing to hear. Everyone. Wait, people have sat down and discussed this like i everyone thinks it's about what the fuck it's so fucking mean yeah it's like your worst nightmare yeah if you've ever said to someone you've you have been a bully wait talking about mean we've never talked about jp and taylor in the makeup

comment okay oh yeah that's the biggest one you You gotta get to it. That is insane. Okay. I feel like I Amy, I want you to start because I wear a lot of makeup. No, no, no. Because it's like something that you're like very clearly like. It's like what? It just logically doesn't make sense. Sure. Can a dude prefer

a woman without? I believe that he's less attracted to her when she wears makeup but like to hinge the entire thing around that like she can just not wear makeup very much like it just doesn't make sense like do you think he didn't like her for other reasons or what's the the craziest part to me was the only time she wore makeup was at the reveal so that was like his initial like okay this is her the next four days. She didn't wear it out. And shouldn't he be more upset if he didn't like how she looks without makeup?

Because she can't change that. I have been confirmed. I have heard like that in Mexico. She literally wore no makeup and she is stunning without makeup. That's my point is that he those four days he still was so fucking awkward he could not speak he was mute he was like a i could not imagine being around him i'm sure she felt so uncomfortable and it's like okay i get maybe at the reveal you're like a little awkward because you're like whoa okay that's a lot of makeup i don't expect that so that's so unrealistic that

it's just like he's in his mind only thinking about this one moment. Come on. There's something going on. Yeah. That was really fucking weird. Yeah. No, it is. I'm going to try to make sense of it. Come on. Dude.

Oh, boy. Yeah. Can you. Well, please do. Because I don't understand why any man would have an opinion on that. And like. I do understand that. But like.

But why he would feel the need to like voice it or regulate like to use that as such a strong like tenant of why you like or dislike someone like don't men know that. It's not really why it's I just I look at JP and Taylor and I feel sad, honestly, because that was a couple when they got engaged. I was like, this makes sense to me. I want them to work out. They're the Tiffany and Brett of this season. They're going strong. I don't know about that, but they just seem like they could work, you know? And then you hear JP's like,

his childhood sounds like it was pretty fucked up. His mom just like kind of being angry all the time and banning him and things like that. And I've heard, you know, some background that like

it was his, it was he had a pretty ugly childhood. Doesn't make excuse present behavior, but just felt for him. He cleared his mute. He can't speak. Like his, him not talking. How could you be in a relationship with a guy like that? Like, it's impossible and frustrating.

I just think, from a guy's standpoint, I think what we witnessed was a male ick. And he didn't handle it well. He didn't handle it appropriately. He let it get in his head. But it's not an ick that can, it's an ick that can be changed. Listen, not like a year or two ago, I think it was Tinks.

I don't know. I don't know who coined the phrase ick. I feel like it might have been Tinks. I think she definitely popularized it. But either way, she goes on the internet and she's like, you ever guys ever heard of an ick?

And it's just this, and it's my understanding described by the women is that it's this trivial thing that you can't really explain that once you see or witness it will completely turn you off yeah and you don't know why and i'm here to say that guys have them too and i've experienced dating someone where something happens i get an ick and it's just like it's a fucking like virus that gets planted in my mind that just like builds, you know,

and grows. All JP had to do, all he had to do in the four fucking days in Mexico where she wore no fucking makeup is every day wake up and go, babe, you are so gorgeous. Like, I love your freckles. No, but instead. You have the best fucking skin. You just gas her up every goddamn day and make her feel beautiful. She goes, what's your favorite part about today?

Like they just rode the the the golf cart or whatever the fuck it was that you're not wearing makeup. And he's like, no, that he goes that I can see your freckles. That's my favorite part. I could see your freckles. Don't ever cover up your freckles. She was like, OK, that's your favorite part of today. Like he said it.

He he doesn't make it where it's like casual and where she can feel confident. It's like he's a terrible communicator. I agree that he's allowed to have an egg. Obviously, it's just where it's like casual and where she can feel confident. It's like. He's a terrible communicator. I agree that he's allowed to have an ick, obviously. It's just like. It's his delivery. Yeah. Like this girl is like probably swallowing so many effing icks to try to make this work.

You wear fucking exclusively red, white and blue. You don't think that's an ick? No. Of course. Like truly. I'm not standing up for the guy. You asked. Make it make sense. And I'm just saying i'm watching it and

why are women so much more down i feel like generally i would agree just like look past things that men are not i don't i can't that i can't speak to you know yeah um do i i feel like taylor's way out of jp's league i you know i can't, I can't understand why he can't see that or, you know, but I just saw a guy who got an idea planted in his head and he couldn't let it go. And on top of that, he's just a terrible fucking communicator. He's got some past childhood trauma.

It doesn't seem like he's dealt with. And yeah, he's got absolutely no game and no charisma. And that turned into him not knowing what to fucking say and instead of just like complimenting her every morning telling her how beautiful she looks how great her skin is how beautiful her freckles are how you know how she's how she's a natural beauty and just make her like just feel so confident about not wearing makeup no he just is an asshole about it and just like thank god you're not wearing fucking makeup today and shit like that 99 of women would love it if i said that to them and i was just like dude no they wouldn't you know because you say like an asshole you know

it's so much in the delivery obviously you know but it's not that he's like a monster i think he's just i felt i feel bad for him i feel bad like, unfortunately there's a lot of JPs out there and the solution isn't just to just say they're terrible men who don't deserve love at, no, unfortunately they just, I don't know how we teach them and I don't know what the solution to the problem is. Therapy. You know, yeah, therapy. You know, he needs to work out his issues.

He, he can't just hang out with the guys. And he needs to be, if he wants someone to love him for who he is. And we said this whole, I deserve someone to love me for who I am. Maybe. I don't know. Or maybe you need to change. Yeah. You don't get to just keep it real all the time and expect everyone to love everything

about you. You just, not many people are that lucky. Yeah. And the loving someone for who they are is not meant to be an excuse to put off growth. It's meant to be like something else. Or have bad style or wear red, white and blue all the time. All the damn time. That is a wild thing that he's so like, what is that?

Did she ever ask him? Why was she never like, OK, okay well you like he's like well you were a lot of okay bitch where you were all that's all you wear like why did she know why was that never she's nice yes she's a good person peloton get your workout on with peloton hey listen you know peloton from their wonderful bicycles and their treadmills and their equipment but did you know that peloton is offering an array of classes that you can use from the comfort of your home? Listen, you're all busy people out there. There's so much time wasted from like deciding to go to the gym, pack a workout bag, get in the car, travel, change, you know, the drill. Like you could have done like two workouts

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Let's just watch this shit. Let's get it over with. We're making dinner. You know, figured we'll just kind of eat and watch kind of almost in the background. Turn it on. We just started making dinner. Three minutes in, Natalie and I are fucking bawling. figured we'll just kind of eat and watch kind of almost in the background turn it on we just started making dinner three minutes in now and i are fucking bawling just it was sobbing i mean then natalie kind of like comes to wipes away the tears i'm i'm still like i can't i can't like get

a hold of myself like you know when you're like really sad and you just don't really like get back to neutral and something like not as sad but still kind of sad happens and you're just like oh my god again like the seal's been broken yeah that's me i was just like what set you off him talking about the passing of his wife also like lake house vibes i'm sure that's very emotional for you as someone who like understands it was just was that not like me with um michael scott leaving the office i'm sorry what michael scott's final episode on the office we're watching like 70 year old man losing his wife michael scott leaving the office i could not stop sobbing and i was like on fucking well and we're just in bed about to go to sleep and nick's like are you okay and i'm like it was a very sweet episode you know it was very sweet but it was yeah i that was i was

uncontrollably sobbing and nick was it just like got me i don't know what it was like you know one here's what i think is so enjoyable about the golden bachelor no one's there for the gram i was yes yes that is what it is there's a sincerity there that you just haven't been able to appreciate for a long fucking time and it seemed like people genuinely there to make a connection now where when we watch these shows love is blind bachelor in paradise it's not about who's looking for love it's who can win a breakup that's what love is blind is and that's what reality tv show is now it's not about looking for love it's how do i win this breakup because eventually I'm going to break up with this person.

And I got to make sure I have all my ducks in a row. I got all my ammunition so that I can come out on top looking like the winner of this breakup. And the golden bachelor is like people being like, you know what? I just want to like in my last years on this earth, I want to find someone to play cards with and hang out with and just like enjoy, you know, and have a second chance at love because I've been fucking lonely for a while you know absolutely i think one of the most wholesome moments was when it might have been april i don't remember but it was one of them who had the therapist right they also had

a hearing aid she was like i have a little bit of ear candy too and he goes oh sweet yes no gary's responses are amazing they're so endearing yeah there's a lot of those like oh good golly um the cupcake move like game no he is so swagalicious he is like he's so he is the riz he has so much charisma he like i don't know yeah he so he is the Riz. He has so much charisma. He like, I don't know. Yeah, he definitely he got the first kiss really smooth. But what I do worry about, I think because of the lack of other reasoning for going on the show, like they aren't as as desperate to be famous or whatever, hopefully not at all, is that the stakes are a little higher. Like, well, I'm taking this chance. It's like a big, big chance. And the emotions, I think, well, I'm taking this chance. It's like a big, big chance.

And the emotions, I think, will be much like the crushing rejection might be really intense. Like, obviously, when he was upset, you could see in the preview. It was a lot. At the rose ceremony. When he's sending the women home. And he cried. And he's crying. Oh, my God. Protect this man.

Like, that was just what I was thinking to myself this whole time. I was like, he is so pure. He is so earnest. Like, that was just what I was thinking to myself this whole time, was I was like, he is so pure. He is so earnest. Like, everything about this is magical. I do feel like we are going to get some drama. Because despite the earnestness and the genuineness of all these people, there's got to be at least a couple of women who have been watching Housewives for the past 20 years.

The lady in the blue shiny dress? She was... Yeah, there's a couple of ladies who have definitely been watching Housewives for the past 20 years. The lady in the blue shiny dress, she was... Yeah, there's a couple of ladies who have definitely been watching Bravo for the past 20 years, and Housewives specifically, that they're ready to shake shit up. Well, I felt like April when she was... That is the most sexual chicken impression I've ever seen.

Do you know what I'm talking about? Remind me? When she brought the eggs in and she was like. And I'm not shaming her for it, but like she was like body rolling as a chicken. She was really. Good for her. She's a therapist from Florida, Lauderdale. April dreams of writing a bestselling book.

She might be here for fame. There was something about April that felt kind of different from the other women. And it's too soon to judge, but I definitely clocked it. I loved how all of the women and I think they showed kind of a montage of it, were just so kind to each other. They're like, oh my god, I love your earrings. Oh, that dress looks stunning on you.

Oh my god, your hair is so beautiful. And I think that's another thing about that generation is they just they're not like jealous and insecure. Like they're just who they are and they're just bad bitches. Or they keep it to themselves. At least not to your face. I also thought it was so sweet

when Gary walked in after all the limo entrances and like the cocktail party portion was starting how when someone handed him a drink he goes thank you Teresa and I was like this man learned their names. Oh I know. He is on it. It is so sweet to see. Well she is the one who walked in and was like, this man learned their names. Oh, I know. He is on it. It is so sweet to see. Well, she is the one who walked in and was like, I'm in my birthday

suit and started stripping in front of him. So I'm sure he did remember her name. I wish it's so upsetting. It's so upsetting that the show is only an hour and Bachelor in Paradise is two hours. Like, that is such a bad trade. Was it only an hour? It was only an hour. Yeah, I did feel

like it went by really fast. I just thought i was really enjoying it well i think that too yeah and i'm sure there would have been like the two-hour version of that episode would have been certainly like way less charming like whatever like little drama they would have focused on because sometimes it's like a three-hour season premiere like we've seen so much and usually it's like there's some level of like laying the groundwork for women who might not like each other down the line and this it just felt like it was like good vibes only and the the first impression rose apparently because we're very we've been very critical on this show for people who bring out a guitar and sing no i know and she was like actually good but like it just it just works and it works for gary sexual tense you guys like

did the eye contact was. Not because you rode in on a motorcycle, not because you sang me a song, but because you made me feel special, Gary says. So kind. I get why they picked him.

Guys, are they going to bone in the fantasy suite? Do you think he's going to fuck three? Two. Three or two. Absolutely not. You think he's a gentleman and you think he'll only fuck his... I think you have to stop saying fuck. I think Gary makes love.

I think he makes love. Gary doesn't even make love to one woman. Is that like respectful? I guess he's kissed two on the first app. Okay. He's down. I don't know. You always hear about

like the nursing homes and syphilis. Did you see that they went to nursing homes on the for the promotional? No. That like, like, you know,

when you would be the bachelor and you go to like someone's house, like they went to nursing homes to like screen it. It's kind of cute. That's awesome. Yeah. Well, I feel like this could

really be a new dawn for The Bachelor because I think it's a format that like we've seen them, I think, like try to modernize it to keep up with some of the shows that have just like built in a little bit more crazy premises like and, you know, with the two bachelorettes and all the kind of twists and turns. And I was like, I think this like very kind of wholesome OG basic love reality show format works so much better with this age demographic well i think partly is just because i think the typical cast for the past going on a decade now has just been warped by social media we now just kind of make fun of the lack of sincerity when we watch the bachelor and bachelor

in paradise and love is blind love is blind seems a little bit more genuine but like there's just such a social media playback playbook of influencing that it's just, it's hard to take anyone that seriously, you know? And I don't even like blame cast because it's like hard to go on these shows and not be aware of the opportunity that's available to you. And you'd be almost foolish to not want to take advantage of that where now you have this new generation of older senior citizens on this show who just like, not only you don't know about it, just don't care. Yeah. You know, and genuinely want to find love. I think people who go on The Bachelor now, they don't go on looking for love.

They go on for an experience. And I think there's probably a handful of these women in Gary who are are who are actually there thinking what if i find love you know i hope they protect that purity the show absolutely i i really appreciated sandra's entrance where she was like i'm awfully nervous and she's like i developed this zen practice and then it's just her like saying like whatever it whatever it is. Does he even swear? He joined her for, I think, the third one. I feel like he's really like, I wonder if he's, I don't know. He's very like. I feel like crap is his version of the C word.

He worked in the restaurant business. He can't be that much of a. Oh, yeah. What was his job? He was a restaurateur. So he's got a background. You know, he's not that straight and narrow. He's just he's just playing his. You know, he's not that straight and narrow. He's just

playing his role and doing a good job at that. The hospitality is off the charts. They really screwed over Matt James' mom. Yeah, what?

Why even, like, why do that to her? Literally, their only airtime was her saying for a split second, if you blinked, you would have missed it.

My son was the best or so, I think it can work out for you would have missed it. My son was the bachelor, so I think it can work out for me. That was it. Yeah. The only option is Gary just didn't like her, didn't vibe with her. That happens on the show,

like the bachelor or the bachelorette. Yeah, but they could have made the first cut. That's another thing. Or I wonder if it was Matt's mom showed up and was like, this isn't for me.

Maybe she clammed up, got super nervous, didn't really want to be there, went home. And maybe she reached out to the show and almost like asked to like, can you just like edit me out? You know, it could have been that too. It doesn't make sense. They could have just as easily. I mean, you have a former bachelor's mom there. That's free marketing. Yeah.

And you could easily bring her to episode three, you know, and not ruffle any feathers. But they didn't. And I'm just curious as to why. It's nice to look forward to watching a bachelor show again. It was so enjoyable. Yeah, absolutely. Also, the Chiron's delightful. Ellen, she's the one who was like

roberta we made it um she her like little chyron was pickleball co-captain not captain co-captain like that's so beautiful and like susan is a wedding officiant like i love it i like all the things that these like wonderful women are pursuing later in life i also think like that's such a cool thing of not only can you find love but also like there is a rich opportunity to like explore your hobbies and pursue your passions oh i really love susan i was really happy she got that last rose and i felt she i felt like of the women she was the one who i was kind of like oh wow i feel like you give me similar energy to Tony, just like based on looks. And I was like, I wonder if that will be positive or negative.

Interesting point. They do the same haircut. Yeah, sure do. Should we get to paradise? Sure. Yeah. It wasn't like unenjoyable. It was fine.

There were so many people that. You just don't know. You just don't know. You just don't know. And all of them are saying, you might remember me from... Yeah, that's... I haven't watched... No.

I didn't watch Zach's or... I haven't watched the last two seasons. I like... Yeah. We have. We still don't remember them. So that's what I'm saying. You still don't remember them?

No. No. Okay. I don't know. It's just a real lack of star power. I mean, you have Kat. Why is that? Hold on.

Kat is one of the most memorable people I think who has ever been on this show. The very expressive. Nick, do you have any intel inside info on like casting this year? What do you mean? Like, why is it all B team, C team? I don't know. I mean, they have Rachel here. Let's give Rachel her due.

She's a previous Bachelorette. So that's big star power. But other than that, I think it's just a lack of character development on the show itself. I think they lack stars, period. Or are people less enticed to be on Bachelor in Paradise? I think there's some of that. I guess you have to ask yourself the question, who is not there that should be there for the most recent seasons? Gabby.

Gabby's a bachelorette. Rachel being there is like. I mean, Gabby from Zach's season. Oh, Gabby. Oh, my God. I loved Gabby. Oh, right. She's pretty.

I'm so sorry. Yeah. Why isn't she there? Yeah. And it's like, maybe are they saving the big guns for entrances later on? I don't know. I think she's just not there. Right.

Or do we not know? I don't know. Yeah. she's just not there. Right. Or do we, do we not know? I don't know. Yeah. Just a lack of star power. It just feels like, yeah. To Nellie's point, it's like,

you might remember me from like, I don't like Olivia, love her on the show. Very interesting character. I do not. Where, what season was she on? I,

she was on Zach's. Was she? I don't know. She's good TV. She's amazing. Love how Rachel gets there. She's the first one there. The show is obviously trying to make a moment. Love how Rachel gets there. She's the first one there. The show's obviously trying to make a moment.

It's a big deal to be the first on the beach. These are all facts of the show. But when Jessie told Rachel that you're the first one here, she was mortified. And it was kind of hilarious because Rachel, I'm assuming, is thinking to herself, what? I don't show up to parties early. I'm certainly not the first one there

yeah i come when the party is vibing out like yeah on the back of my boyfriend's motorcycle i feel like rachel always makes such good she has just like kind of like iconic energy so like it was just really almost endearing to see rachel like panic in that sense because she's like is that wait is that good like she didn't realize they thought it was a good thing and she's just thinking i'm first at this fucking party it was kind of i'm just like why she's not gonna be with these dudes like what well i also thought it was really telling because there was a moment where cat with a c fun cat was like you were the bachelorette and rachel's response was one of two and i just felt like that was really really telling of the way that she felt like her experience on the show was like she never felt

like the bachelorette she felt like one of two like she doesn't even feel safe enough just to simply say yes yeah exactly and that made me kind of sad where i was like oh i could see how again like and she she must say it because she feel like if she doesn't say that, someone's going to correct her or criticize her for it. I'd be like, who do you think you are? Which is a bummer. They didn't even include her in this. Why is she not on this?

Wait, why isn't she not on this? I don't know. Where is Rachel? Oh, then you have Blake Moynes. I was going to say, okay, I do like when someone comes on Paradise so you never like, and then they're the person that all the women freak out over where like you're like this guy like no one ever

like shaving his head was such a good move for this that's what I think it's the hottest he's ever looked but it's like he's been preparing

for this role isn't it it is it totally is it is the hottest he's ever looked he looks great it so is

I feel like Blake was one of those people where when I was watching it with other people and they were like I don't get it with Blake I was like defending it I was like no in person like he has where when I was watching it with other people and they were like, I don't get it with Blake. I was like defending. I was like, no, in person, like he has a present.

Like he's a very good looking guy. Is that really his job? Because also that's cute. Hot. Yeah. I didn't like him at all before. Now I'm like, damn it. Okay.

It's like it's like Blake went on The Bachelorette on Claire's season and not obviously the best time. Wait, oh my God. What? Yeah. Katie's season. From Claire. He started on Claire. And then he made an appearance on Katie's season had not obviously the best time wait oh my god what yeah Katie's season from Claire he started on Claire and then he made an appearance on Katie's season that's another thing that this show does

it's just like they love to like crucify their cast who is willing to come back on their shows to look for love and they they just make them look pathetic but not Blake even with Blake Blake himself made himself look good because

Blake has had a glow up he shaved his head and he's traveling the world and saving animals but the tone of the show the way they edit it the way they kind of mock it they just they make fun of their cast yeah and that's another big difference between Golden Bachelor and Bachelor in Paradise you're not making fun of their characters obviously but like And that's another big difference between Golden Bachelor and Bachelor in Paradise. You're not making fun

of their characters, obviously, but like, listen, I love a little snark, but they could do a better job of like making us

want to root for these people rather than like mock them for like trying to find love. I think you have a good point. That's like, it works against itself. Like that's not,

that's why I don't, I'm like, you've made fun of them. I've bought into, and I, a lot of them, I'd not people I root for and of them. I've bought into and I a lot of them. I'm not people I root for. And then you're adding on to it.

So I'm like, OK, you're telling me to root for it. Right. Yeah. It's like it's pick pick a lane. Right. Because it's such a fine line between not taking yourself too seriously and leaning into like a more like breezy version of the show versus like actively making fun of them. I do think Brooklyn was one of the people who I certainly like recognize. It was like, oh, yeah, you had a very strong character like point of view

when you were on the show. She's not on this either. What the fuck, ABC Digital? What is this? Weird. Oh, wait. Oh.

There's a page two. It's a problem with my team. Not yours, ABC. Oh my God. But why is Rachel on page two? It's alphabetical order. Guys, Will falling in the water.

Will falling in the water. Such an ick. I Guys, Will falling in the water. Will falling in the water. Such an ick. I feel like he could have made that so much better if he just laughed about it. But instead he's like, oh my God, that's so embarrassing.

That's so embarrassing. And then she has to like comfort him. If you just made a joke like, oh my God, you pushed me in the water, like blamed her, like made it something funny.

I feel like you could have, I don't know, it would have came off a little better. It's a fine line between playing it off and showing that you're truly embarrassed. And it's also, I'm like, oh, he's sitting

in all his wet clothes. I know. He didn't want to take your shirt off. His ass crack was all like sorry, I don't know why I went there. He was soaked. It was all wet. Yeah, I will say, I do think it was kind of advantageous timing for Will because at this point, he's like the first one to have a kiss. He's going on a date with a different girl. And I think it really brought him back down to earth from like potential like douche boy.

Yeah, it could have felt like he was kind of like the star, like Bachelor of Paradise. And I do think it was a very humbling moment, clearly for him. And it seems like Kylie was kind of happy to be like no like it's so fine like it seems like she likes to reassure and kind of take on more of a sweetheart yeah i guess but like uh olivia wasn't wrong like yeah olivia kylie's trying to like sound like an unproblematic queen she is not she loves the drama and she i don't know the way again the way it's edited i don't know i don't know if it's how it actually plays out but her interest in will skyrocketed when she found out and when she found out that olivia was making out uh with will and

i loved my favorite line of the episode because i was saying this the whole episode and olivia called out will for it it's not that he kissed her it's that he grabbed her fucking face to kiss her and like it was a nice move at the time but it was an aggressive move it wasn't like some timid guy who was like i don't know if i should kiss her and then like finally your faces are just like it's like fine i guess i'll kiss no he was like when i don't when can i kiss you or can i kiss you i don't know what he said then she said you know the night is young and she didn't say yes but he read the signals he went for it he made it an assertive move she really liked it but like grabbing your face is a fucking yeah I didn't like how he acted like he was like just just just there it's too early I'm just playing

it out so you were you were asking me to suck your toes i'm like okay she's flirting with you hardcore sure you don't have to grab her face and kiss her you did that yourself yeah you did that and once you grab someone's face and you have a hardcore makeout you don't get to just say oh we just got here i'm just you know playing the field like you you don't get to do that like you state your claim by like doing a very aggressive and thankfully for you seemed to be attractive mutual mutually beneficial and she thought it was hot and sexy and but like that meant something and you just dismissed it as if like now you just look like a fuck boy because apparently you're just grabbing faces with anyone you want to kiss. And that's an intimate thing to do with someone. And you downplayed it to nothing.

He even like when they had that conversation the next day and he was like, I don't even think I owed you a conversation. And like he was basically like, how could I have not kissed you? You were like putting your toes in my face. Like, how could I have not kissed you when those sexy little piggies were in my face? You even washed your toes off in the ocean for me to suck them. There's still so much sand on them by the way. They were still sandy. That's not the same.

You're grabbing her face. And it just bummed me out to watch him go from him and Olivia vibing, flirting, having fun to then Kylie with her heartbreak motion where she was from across the table which is like no disrespect the most high school thing I've ever seen in my life and on this show no

disrespect respectfully you can disrespect no but I don't I don't I don't feel like I know Kylie but like you know she and like Will so clearly like cares about it and is like has instantly lost interest and it's like you know it's like the dog chasing cars like you wouldn't know what to do if you caught one. Like, it just seemed like he was so onto the next one. And I was like, yeah,

Olivia is kind of, I so see where she's coming from feeling kind of like discarded. And some of the most entertaining confessionals I think I've seen as of late on the show where like Olivia being like, I'll stoop. I was like, how is that so ominous? No,

I really enjoy Olivia. She's good TV. I hope she sticks around for a while. Talk about Sean. Yes, I was thinking that. Being as Swifty as a line is insane. Him going, how did you enjoy Taylor Swift? And her going, oh, how did you know I was there? My favorite

part is the editors appropriately calling him out for not actually being a Swifty. How did they know I was there? My favorite part is the editors appropriately calling him out for not actually being a Swifty. How did they know that? I don't know. And then him in the shower and he's like, yeah, I'm such a Ken. And then them being like, he does not resemble Ken. You know who he does resemble? But I knew the bar.

Oh, my God. Yeah. What the hell? Isn't it? Charming from Shrek. That is creepy. Who identified that? Everyone on Twitter. Spot on. hell is it charming from Shrek that is creepy who identified that everyone on twitter immediately but Rachel Rachel said he looked like Ken I know she gave the Ken and Barbie analogy

I also I thought it was so funny how Sean was like I want to get covered in glitter and then later we see a shot of Brayden covered in glitter. No explanation. Yeah. Yeah. No explanation. Yeah. And then you really don't know if he just decided to put glitter on himself or did he make out with someone either. Totally possible. I also. Is that very Gen Z to like be down with the dangly earring?

Oh, I hate it. I think it's just Brayden. I hate it. It's awful. It would it would be cute if it was a little hoop or something but he just goes to the fucking extremes i loved how cat conducted a vote on it in the girl talk where she was like raise your hand if you think the earring's hot she's the first to raise her hand yeah and then somewhere i'm like i'm on the fence yeah and then i think other fun cat was like it's the hat and

the earring combo and i was like great point it is the combo no it's it's not it's not our type yeah but i i as as a person i quite like brayden because he just doesn't give a fuck he's just and his face is cute why is he doing all this extra he's hot i think it's like a character that he puts on for the show because he said that he never wore earrings before he went on the bachelorette oh that's even worse it's like a gimmick yeah yeah but i don't mind it i feel like i feel like he shows up and he sees a bunch of like people who i guess are fake or who might have ulterior motives yeah i've calculated yeah i've been on these these sets beaches whatever you want to call it and it's just a lot of like rehearsed lines and it's just you see a lot of disingenuous people and there are other people who are just like just like let's just be present and live it up and have some fun and make some tv and brayden i think is annoyed by the errands of the world who like everything out of his mouth is sounds very bachelory,

bachelor rehearsed and things like that. And I think he is almost trolling them in a way. Wait, Nick, as someone who has been on these beaches, when I'm watching it

and this totally shows like what a germ freak I am, I cannot think anything but how dirty it looks there. The beach itself looks dirty. All the sand on the bedding things when they're laying there talking. Do you not just feel unclean?

It's definitely grimy, for sure. It's sweaty. It's glamping. You're outside. You have a bed. You have shelter. You're not living in a tent. But there's fucking sand and bugs everywhere. There's no AC. There's fans.

I remember the food to be excellent, which really but there's fucking sand and bugs everywhere. There's no AC. There's fans. I remember the food to be excellent, which really made all the difference in the world. And yeah, you just kind of get used to feeling always sweaty and a little dirty and like, whatever. You just kind of go with it. And I feel like it's an essential component of Paradise is seeing which people can respond well to a kind of like grimy environment in which people are clearly like, like cat with a K is resisting. Like she is resisting paradise.

She wants to be clean. Like she keeps going at the jungle. Yeah. You are on the beach. Cat. How many cats do we have? We have. We have cat who's like the most expressive woman in the world.

And then we have cat with a K, who's... Her and Brayden, low-key, amazing couple. Really balance each other out thus far. Yeah, so far. I don't think it's going to last, though. I think she's too high maintenance for him. Allie, though. I want Allie and Brayden to...

Allie said, oh, fuck, no. And I know you think that. I could see it. What? I think Brayden's different in real life has he been here? have you ever met him? we have yet to meet him I've heard good things though I'm really gonna hate it if Sean's a main

character of this season is Bachelor in Paradise done? I think it's like I don't know if it's even Wells when I was watching Wells I was like honey like no like he doesn't need to do this anymore like i don't i i feel like all golden bachelor is the only thing keeping bachelor nation afloat right now i know i mean it was excellent golden bachelor was superb it was like such a high and i was like i mean we'll say listen i we got through paradise and i was i was entered like you a high and i was like i mean we'll say listen i we got through paradise and i was i was entered like you know i'm curious to see what happens with kylie and and uh

what's his name will will will so invested in like uh the the guy who shows up oh you know we assume that kylie is going to try to swerve and get called out for it and from the promos it seems as though olivia and avon start to olivia's like you stole my man so i'm going to try to swerve and get called out for it. And from the promos, it seems as though Olivia and Aiden start to connect with one another. Olivia's like, you stole my man, so I'm going to steal yours. Yeah, you just hear her being like, I'm into that. I want to watch that. Totally. We'll see.

But I don't know. Yeah. Do I think the heyday of Bachelor in Paradise, you know, that was, that's some good. That was your day. Yeah. Season three. Jesse did tell us that a couple gets married on the beach though even worse that's so crazy like hey but who could it be it's not this season

kenny and mari yeah kenny and mari maybe what previously engaged couples are going to come down for a 10 minutes of airtime in a wedding i'm so glad that you guys are not doing anything with the franchise for your wedding you're not right no okay it's you guys who not doing anything with the franchise for your wedding. You're not, right? No. Okay. It's you guys who gets married on the VHS. Oh my god. We're like, what do you think it'd be? You guys are like, yeah, that is embarrassing. Who would do that? But who could Rachel date? No one there, right?

No. Not there yet. She seems more mature than them. I mean, honestly, I don't think it happens because she talks about how good of a friend she is with Blake Moynes when she was here last week, but like... What about pilot Pete? Peter. Oh, Peter. He's cute and he's a pilot and she's a

instructor. I feel like he connected with someone else. I think Jordan, the guy who she sent home on a one-on-one really early on in her season, maybe the first ever one-on-one, I feel like there's a promo of him coming back and them being like, wow, it's like we have a second chance at this connection i feel like that's also potentially in the pipeline we're gonna have a lot more people show up i mean i wonder if they're gonna do anything with avon and rachel i know i know are they gonna make that a

thing or especially with kylie being like i could accept a proposal from him by the end of the summer because he's been fire reacting to my Instagram stories. Yeah, I do. I will say one part I did like is that in the beginning of the show when Kylie talking about like we've been DMing, I'm glad they finally just embrace that. I'm glad they finally embrace that these people are meeting each other up and they're DMing and they are getting ahead of it and be like, hey, I'd like to meet you in Paradise and just know that they're going to Paradise

rather than crucify these casts and use it as storylines to discredit their character as if these people are not allowed to talk and communicate and meet each other at events. It's just been so played out.

Let's bring in the real world that, that is going on and the storylines that organically involved and bring it into the show rather than scare these people. And they think they're doing something wrong. Yeah. I'm glad there's that. And I hope they continue that and not try to use it as a weapon against these people.

Would anyone, is anyone going to watch catching Kelsey going back and watching catching Kelsey or no, we feel he was so different back then interesting he did look really different he had like hair yeah i mean his style was like but he had like scary i know totally like i don't want to taint my vision of him which is very high i mean i was joking about this last week that like him and i are in the same club which which is like bad reality, bad reality television looking for love. Okay. Like him and I are peers basically.

Okay. Last night I was like. Nick is Travis Kelsey. So like you can't really tell us apart. He looks good there. He looks so fucking hot here. He's so hot. Last night I was like, I randomly said, I was like, I was like my boyfriend, I was like,

I feel sad. And he was like, why? He's like going through the reasons. He was like, you don't feel well. He's like, you're in your period. Like, like I was like, cause I don't know why. And he's. He was like, why? He's like going through the reasons. He was like, you don't feel well. He's like, you're in your period. Like, like, I was like, I don't know why. And he's like, because he realized like Travis Kelsey is never going to happen. I was like, oh.

Really? Yeah. But why did he do Catching Kelsey? Just goes to show you that doesn't matter where you start. Because he wasn't cool. Yeah. I think it's he's down to clown. Yeah.

I am intrigued. Why don't you watch the report back? Who is Travis Kelsey? Why? What Taylor Swift fans need to know. A Swifties guide to Travis Kelsey. That's so nice. That's so funny.

Have you always been on the Chiefs? I think so. I've never been more engaged in football, you guys. Like, I was like, I was like, do they play every week? And then I heard about the bi-week thing. And then, like, the, I was like, how many fans are in this? I was like, are all football stadiums the same size?

Like how many people are at MetLife right now? Oh yeah. And then I had Allie and Genevieve like texting in the group chat. Allie couldn't understand why Patrick Mahomes slid it to a yard line and not just try to score because all it was to them is a wasted opportunity to have Travis score a touchdown. And what in reality, from a football standpoint,

it was like Patrick Mahomes doing the smart thing to win the game. But like what? They just didn't understand. is a wasted opportunity to have Travis score a touchdown. And what, in reality, from a football standpoint, it was like Patrick Mahomes doing the smart thing to win the game. But, like, what? They just didn't understand. You were just like, why is he, what, two-yard line? We're so close. I didn't say, why didn't he do the touchdown? He said he can't get injured.

I know football. Oh, my God. I'm so sorry, Ellie. Natalie, do you like football? I feel like on your stories, you guys watch a lot. So I don't know if it's true. I am a big SEC fan. I'm an Auburn fan because that's where I'm from. We're terrible.

So I haven't. Just right now. Yeah, actually, it was a great game against Georgia. But dating Nick, obviously, there is no out with NFL Packer season. So I've come to really enjoy it. She's a pretty knowledgeable sports fan. Like every once in a while, we were talking about this last night.

She asked me like, if I like it or dislike it. She knows all about the sport every once, but she's not like every once in a while. She'll be like, well, what is that? And I'll explain it to her.

Men love to explain things they're passionate about. Sure. But I don't have to, you know, sometimes if you have to explain football to someone who doesn't know anything about football, Oh my God, not, it takes some time. Like there's, you know, sometimes if you have to explain football to someone who doesn't know anything about football, Oh my God, not,

it takes some time. Like there's, it's more complicated than you realize. People do a really bad job of trying to explain football when it's like, you really just explain the downs and it all makes sense. But when you're starting at zero, you don't know where to start. It's I've tried,

but with Natalie, she knows like 90% about football and the other 10%, it takes me like two seconds to be like, yeah, but that was a safety. That's why she's like, Oh, okay it makes total sense we also at night read to the baby and nick has now started to want to read her packer articles because it doesn't matter what you read it says how you read it did you guys watch um quarterback on netflix when um kirk

cousins another person that i'm now into he read like sports illustrated like for kids to his son or something i was like you guys could read that yeah it doesn't matter what it's i've learned this from the movie three men and a baby it doesn't matter what you read it just matters how you read it but also nick's dyslexic so it takes him a while to get through the books like she's probably so confused like i read a baby book last night it was not pretty yeah it's not pretty but when she learns how to read she'll like persevere it's true you know she'll be like this you're gonna say she'll teach you also that also possible you both have your skills it'll be great what if she's

born she's like what do i mean travis kelsey heard so much about travis Day. Well, I hope they are dating come then. Yeah. What is your, no bullshit, how real do you think Taylor and Travis is? I feel like because he actually did mention her so many times in the past few months and like actually has been a fan, I think he really does like her a lot. Like, I think he actually had a real crush on her. But I just don't, I think it's like a fun hookupup i don't see it being like person she marries who do you think is the person she can you see it as real i don't know but how could you not being taylor how could you not find

him so delicious you could but and like she doesn't seem to really be fun like when she's having those clips where she was like look at at him. I was like, okay, girl, yeah. She is having fun. And again, everything you learned about her ex, Joe, is that he just, he was just always there. He was just always following her. Her nepo boyfriend. We didn't hear about their relationship.

It was his private little thing. And Travis is this proud boyfriend that like listen his his life has turned upside down it's been nothing but great things for him so like he's certainly benefited from the connection but he was fine but you know what i'm saying he was fine before i don't feel like he's dating taylor and using no no and like what does she have to gain i don't even think she needs like concert or like the movie no she's nothing sales she's like sold what does she have to gain? I don't even think she needs like concert or like the movie ticket sales. She's like sold out. Yeah, she's already sold out.

Then you think back, you're like, oh, she hasn't dated anyone hot. I'm like, no, she dated Harry Styles, but kind of before he was like the, she dated, like she hooked up with John Mayer. Like she's hooked up with hot dudes. Yeah, but there's a difference between like hot artists and musicians and hot athletes. Yeah. And I'm not saying one's better than the other. I'm just saying they are very different.

And I could see, you know, dating an entertainer and an artist could be just as high maintenance and have diva qualities. And listen, NFL receivers have diva qualities. But I could just wonder if it's just so much more fun for her because it's like a totally different world. And again, he's comfortable in his own skin. He is a star on his own. You know, maybe like the NFL might be a bubble, but it's a big fucking bubble in the United States. It's not worldwide like Taylor is, but he's doing just fine. And I just wonder if he might be able to introduce Taylor to a world that she like, didn't realize how much fun she could have in a relationship. Like she's chair captain and I'm on the bleachers. Yeah. Literally. Literally you belong with me.

Yeah. Yeah. It's so fun. And they can both like reverse roles of like who is in the spotlight. Like he's playing and he's in the spotlight. The tight end theory. Yeah. And,

and, and then when she's literally in the spotlight, he has no problem like being a confident king and supporting his girl and taking a backseat. It just makes too much sense. I need to watch Catching Kelsey so I can understand his intelligence more. I need to know his... On SNL, he gave me more than I was expecting.

So I'm like, I don't want to lump him into like, he's just an athlete. I think he's smart enough. Smart enough. I don't know anything about him. So he's just a podcast oh i think he's smart enough smart enough i don't know anything about him so he could be a g i think his brother well his brother comes across is extremely intelligent has anyone watched that documentary on amazon jason and for those of you who don't know from a sports standpoint when it comes to like knowledge i'm having so much time that the quarterback clearly he needs to be pretty intelligent. They have a lot of responsibilities. And it's often considered that the center and the tight end are two of the other most important positions in an offense. The center is in charge of telling all his offensive linemen what to do, when to do it. He's kind of the manager of the offensive linemen. The tight end has so many responsibilities because they have to pass and block and catch and so you have to have a level of intelligence to play both those positions they're related brothers so he's

no dummy like i don't know he's like a fucking genius but like he's not an idiot for sure period slay is that it period slay all right well amy it's a ton of fun talking to you about pop culture. You'll have to come back again soon. Yes, of course. We're back on Thursday. Huge episode with Izzy from Love is Blind. So many questions to ask about Izzy. I'm sure we'll ask him questions about his relationship with Stacey.

Why are him and Stacey such mean girls to Johnny? Oh, my God. Please put paper plates out with snacks. Oh, OK. We should troll him. And red solo cuts. Does he stand by his treatment of Johnny or is there more

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