The Viall Files - E657 Reality Recap - Sophie Turner’s Ring Camera Footage, Golden Bachelor and BIP with Brooke & Aricia

Episode Date: October 24, 2023

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap Edition! Today we are joined by Even The Rich’s Brooke Siffrinn & Aricia Skidmore-Williams to talk about all things reality TV. First, we talk about current pop headlines like Taylor attending another Chiefs game and her budding friendship with Brittany Mahomes. We also talk about Joe Jonas continuing to party, and what Sophie said on the ring camera. Then, we discuss the Golden Bachelor and the drama between the women, along with Sandra missing her daughter’s wedding to go on the show. Finally, we discuss Bachelor in Paradise and Kat’s reactions to the Truth Box. We also touch on Eliza finding herself in yet another love triangle. Finally, Brooke and Aricia ask Nick some questions about Special Forces and A Christmas Cruise.  “Brayden would absolutely have s*x with one of the Golden Ladies.”  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Join us for our new LIVE show on Thursdays at 9PM ET/6PM PT on Amp, available in the Apple app store. Android User? Listen here: https://www.onamp.com/   To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: ShipStation - Set your business up for holiday season success with ShipStation. Go to https://www.ShipStation.com and use code VIALL today and sign up for your FREE 60-day trial. TodayTix - https://www.TodayTix.com/nickviall and use promo code NickViall to get $20 off your first purchase.  Quip - That’s your 20% off any Electric Toothbrush, Mint & Gum Dispenser, Water Flosser at https://www.GETQUIP.com/VIALL  Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @brookesiffrinn @ariciaskidmorewilliamsss @alison.vandam @liffordthebigreddog @dereklanerussell @genevievegoodman 

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What's going on everybody welcome back to another episode of the vile files reality recap edition i'm your host nick joined by the household of genevieve amanda alley and derrick it's it's a growing household we have a we have a new hire today yeah his name is justin everyone wave for justin wave for justin uh and our special guest today the one and onlys onlys the ones and onlys if there's two people how do you say it the gross ms is on there you know the twos and only brooke and arisha you nailed it killing oh that's amazing from the hit podcast even the rich we've talked so much about even the rich

on this podcast you know you've heard us promote it we sure yeah Janet Jackson Mariah Carey Whitney Houston oh I love it

they've done the Fox family the Murdoch the Murdoch oh I was like the Fox family Jamie the succession family

yeah like succession yeah if you want to hear all the messy details of Hollywood's elites, the good, the bad, and the ugly, even the rich. Anyways, there also turns out big pop culture and reality TV fans. So here they are. Brooke, Arisha, how you doing? Good.

How you doing? Number 12. I'm okay. Thanks. Are you watching? Just found out that they're pushing Special Forces for two weeks because of baseball yeah baseball ruins things i like baseball and all it ruins seinfeld for me like when i was a kid and i would watch seinfeld on tbs whenever there was a baseball game i couldn't watch the regularly scheduled programming so i don't like baseball because

of that it's a very chaotic sport practice to be like we don't know how long it's gonna go figure it out it goes so long i thought they put new't know how long it's going to go. Figure it out. It goes so long. I thought they put new rules in for that. It's so short now. Is it? Yeah, I loved when it was six hours. Oh my god. Baseball specifically is a reason to get day drunk. Allie and I love night drunk. Wait, baseball is never

six hours. What games were you going to? It was so fucking long. I thought you meant like the season is forever, it feels like. The season is forever. The season and the games individually. It's so giving. It's all you meant like the season is forever. It feels like. The season is forever. The season and the games individually. It's so giving. It's all long. And you get to see their butts.

I will say baseball players are very attractive. Oh, yeah. You put on that uniform and you're instantly hot. And it's like approachable hot, too. Yeah. Not like a scary hot. You don't have a scary helmet on, you know, with pads. Yeah.

Like football players. Yeah. That's true. yeah anyways they sent me all like previews and shit i got my ass kicked this episode it was gonna be my big interrogation week like this last night they announced it i found out this morning they all the ds's were like uh post i was posting about like watch tonight and they were like no no baseball no the ones who told you well the kids they posted about it that's just funny like not the producers no fox sent out an email like sunday night like

as if i don't first of all read my email all that much which team knows but um like i don't know anyways it's so two weeks off i hope you guys still care in two weeks about the show i'm still gonna care you're still gonna care two weeks about the show. I'm still going to care. You're still going to care? I'm still going to care. Are you watching it? I am. Obviously. Yeah, I am. Big fan. What do you think? I love it.

My husband and I watch it together. It's like one of those reality shows that he'll watch with me. And I feel like three times now he's been like, how do you think you would do? How do you think you would do doing this? And like the episode where you had to punch each other in the face. He's like, how would you do? And I was like, I guess it depends on who I'm fighting. But I was like, I'm pretty scrappy.

I think I would do okay. But you know. Do you think he could beat up aricia no way no i don't know maybe i feel like i'm fighting my brothers it'd be really hard to beat me like i said before i think i was shocked by just how tired i was yeah yeah you you guys looked extremely tired well yeah oh you looked it yeah it was yeah it was uh just pure exhaustion so yeah just to be clear are you being punched in the face yeah yeah but they have I mean they have we had padding on yeah right but like you're getting head hit I don't know I uh I didn't feel anything other than just being tired okay but who among us hasn't wanted to punch tom sandoval in the face you know i mean like you lived some fantasies there for a lot of people i think yeah certainly i guess i wish they wouldn't have ran us like

a good half mile before that's true yeah that was the same day as a damn boat thing right we were just everyone's tired yeah they didn't even show the run back. We had to run back behind a Jeep that was just blowing out diesel fumes. Wait, so you had to run to the fighting? Yeah, and then we had to run back when we were done. Yeah, I was like, there's a Jeep

blowing out diesel and we were like choking. I thought only the losing team had to run. That was the boat race. Wow. Most of the time we all just had to run. That was the boat race. Okay. Yeah. Wow. Most of the time we all just had to run to and from. That is exhausting. Just running in general. Just watching it is exhausting.

Anyways, it's not on for two weeks now. Oh, we didn't hear. Because baseball. I'm just kidding. But good news, we have the Bachelor in Paradise and Golden Bachelor. But before we get into that, what do we got? We got Taylor Swift. It's like official, official. I think it's official. Yeah, there was got? We got Taylor Swift. It's like official, official. I think it's official.

Yeah, there was a picture of them holding hands. She's got the bracelet on. Yeah, and someone was like, Taylor Swift's boyfriend, and he like punched in the air. Like he was on The Breakfast Club or something.

I was just gonna say. Yeah, I punched in the air. I love that. All the confirmation I need. But now, now Jackson Mahomes has entered the conversation. Yeah, I saw that.

People are not pleased about him being just in the same world as Taylor Swift. He had such a shadowy past. Yeah. That's. I mean, he has. First, he was just the really obnoxious brother of Patrick Mahomes that he was like, all right, I can't play football like my brother.

Yeah. The next best thing is I'll just try to be a TikTok star. Right. Natural. That's the usual. Yeah. And then he's like, well i'll just try to be a tiktok star right natural that's the usual voice right there yeah and then he's like well what what's gonna be my brand and i guess he decided on super obnoxious like entitled brother of a football player yeah this is gonna be his brand and he proceeded to be kind of like what's the lack of you know he just figured he'd be outrageous yeah yeah well well

there's ways to be outrageous without yeah which then which that is a fair point which basically peaked at him assaulting a young woman yeah at a bar yeah he's quieted down since then or at least he's not recording quiet you down and then he resurfaced in this fucking suite with taylor swift fucking standing right behind her. So every goddamn photo that she's in. Yeah. You see fucking what's his name? Like a shadow.

We need to look at. He's like looking at her, too. It's this is horrifying. Look at this. I feel like he was always like, where's my light? Where's my light? Where's Taylor? Yeah.

I got to make sure I'm right there. And he's looking at her. Look at the way he's looking at her. Oh, my God. I don't like this. He's plotting something. Oh, and he's looking at her. Look at the way he's looking at her. Oh my God. I don't like this. He's plotting something there. He does look villainous. He does.

I do think this is maybe, I think maybe we continue to owe Brittany Mahomes an apology though. I agree. Do we? Can you elaborate on that? Well, prior to Taylor Swift entering the conversation with the Mahomes family, correct me if I'm wrong, anyone listening, but Jackson Mahomes was public enemy number one.

And then Brittany was kind of like, maybe like a distant fourth to like Jackson being one, two and three. But like Brittany was kind of always around Jackson as Pat's wife. Right. And then Jackson being his brother and i feel like she was it's now seeming more and more like guilty by association rather than because it's kind of like what is she supposed to do well there were the there was that moment where she like poured champagne on the people below and like people didn't like that and what if the people fucking hated that and then there was people who are the people? Because is it just random people?

That's what I'm. Is it the internet? I feel like it was the internet after after Jackson and his TikToks. We were forced to watch these things. And then Brittany was kind of always in these videos. And it was kind of like, we definitely hate him. Yeah. I don't know how we feel about her, but she's always next to him.

And it almost seemed like she was just catching strays kind of yeah catching strays and yeah she got excited and freezing cold and her you know champagne yeah maybe not the most self-aware moment for her yeah but i don't know if it was like the defining moment for her rather than us really hating him and she just was honest i haven't heard a lot about him it was always her that i was hearing about and i don't know if that's just like her our tendency to like women the villain but i've heard from people who come you know friends with taylor who've hung out in the group yeah they love her they love britney they think she is really sweet they don't get

where all this other negativity is coming from and it seems like the more they learn she really was like okay catching strays all right well that's fair i believe i mean i feel like all the narratives i've heard about her have always been through the filter of like the high school girl and like oh she's just you know riding the coattails of her very famous husband and like just giving her very like shitty descriptor and i don't follow this team i only know about them now because of all everything else and i was just like okay but now what you're saying makes sense like it seems like it's just the association and you know let's hate on her you know she's you know and she's got that blonde maybe like at high school like maybe like

she kind of looks like the girl who picked us on captain and we're on the bleachers well she played soccer for iceland which i feel like is kind of a gorgeous country i'm pretty sure she's a co-owner of the women's team in kansas city which shout out to the women's soccer league in the u.s yeah but she played soccer yeah yeah she's retired so it's the US. But she played soccer. Yeah, she's retired. So it's like she's another... Position that she played, you know? Like professional. It's just forward here. Okay.

I used to play defense, but she does look like she would play forward. Yeah. She's in it for the glory. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yep, I get that.

Well, the Jackson Mahomes there is really just a... I do love that Taylor gets the front row seat and he's behind her. Family of the quarterback is behind her. He's 20 feet tall. Yeah, it's true. If he Taylor gets the front row seat and he's behind her. Family of the quarterback is behind her. He's 20 feet tall. Yeah. It's true.

If he was in the front, I would push him just so I could see. Do you think they huddled up and they were like, how should we stand for maximum visibility of the whole group? Well, some of the stuff, like the handshake. Did you guys see the handshake? Yeah. That felt a little performative. It felt a little forced, if I may say. What do you mean by performative

like they definitely had to practice it was a performance but like it was like who cares i hate it feels like you know cameras are everywhere you know what you're doing you're doing a secret handshake is like i don't think i called it a secret but based on your definition it feels like you're saying taylor swift is not allowed to have fun. No. Because everything she does is recorded. Here's your scandal, Arisha. Here's my scandal.

No, I'm Taylor Swift. I hate Taylor Swift. No, don't say that. God, they're going to clip that and just be like, this is coming out. That's the worst thing you can say in 2023. Get the fuck out of our studio. I love Taylor Swift. I love her.

I just. Okay. As somebody who has secret handshakes with friends, I keep them secret. It seems performative. You've never done them in public? No. Well, maybe in a bar.

But there were no cameras. I'm her best friend and we don't have a handshake, so... I know, this was pre-Brook. This all seems... Yeah. For obvious reasons. Just like that fun like I do.

Who's the young lady next to taylor just having the worst time ever that's patrick mahomes little sister i was gonna say it looks like a yeah yeah i gotta say i wish one of my brothers was a famous football player just having fun just to hang out in these these like club boxes i've been in one like three times before they're so nice yeah it's crazy yeah jackson mahomes have you ever been in one nick made swifties want to puke yeah are they as nice as they look i only ever serve people in them oh wow so i never but they seem really nice not my favorite place to watch a game to be honest really they're high they're so high up far away you're kind of you kind of see what's going on but i'm

sure they have tv screens in there. Yeah. You like to be with the masses when you watch games? Well, I like to be at home at this point. That's fair. Yeah. You just watch. For most things, really. Yeah.

Everything, ideally. Yeah. So if you're going to go to the game and experience the game, I kind of would rather just be in the... Yeah. In the thick of it. In it. Yeah, yeah.

For sure. She can't do that, though. She gets mobbed. Can you imagine? Well, look at her. She's getting mobbed up there, too. What's the difference, really? Behind the 30-yard line.

Do you think there were any conversations between Taylor's team and Brittany? And it's like, should Jackson be there? Or do you think she just... She doesn't seem that affected by him. She's like high-fiving him during the game. She probably has no fucking clue. I know. I was actually wondering that.

Taylor knows everything. I feel like she would have to get briefed because she is under such a fine magnifying glass. You're going to be watching a game with a guy who's currently being charged with sexual assault. What if they didn't know he was coming? And what if Patrick just has all of their names

on a list for all the games and he just showed up? I trust that Tree Payne knows everything her publicist I'm sure Tree knew Tree Payne yeah it's her publicist is that her birthday T-R-E-E yeah right is it spelled T-R-E-E also you guys probably don't know this but this Bernie Kosar who was a quarterback in the 80s posted a picture posted a picture with I don't know all of the guyss, posted a picture. Oh, Bernie Kosar. Posted a picture with, I don't know. Love the guy. But he posted a picture with Taylor Swift. Oh, yeah, I saw that.

And he's like, hey, I don't know what he said. I'm with this pretty young lady. And it seemed like a viewing party before the game. In the background, there were little submarine sandwiches being served on paper plates. It just looked like a normal it just looked like a normal like football viewing party and i don't know why taylor swift is at bernie kosar's house maybe it wasn't bernie's house maybe yeah yeah i guess my point is like she's really initiated herself in the in the whole like yeah

football family this is what we do yeah she's like one in roaming it. Yeah, truly. I think maybe that's my thing is just like when I like date somebody it takes me a really long time to just adopt their stuff if I ever do and it feels like

she has gone in in the deep end but she always does. This is her thing and she loves it and I'm all for exploring ourselves but I'm not for sharing

secret handshakes to the public. I'm sorry. That's where you draw the line. That is where I draw the line. Maybe it was a public handshake. Yeah, they have a secret one. We saw the public one.

Yeah, that's even better. I honestly would have said. No one ever announced that it was a secret. They just did it on national television. That's fair. Okay. And I'll be honest. It looked a little sloppy.

I don't think that's their law. We saw them making it up like an hour before. We saw them practicing. She was like, what if we did this? Or what if we did this? And Brittany's just kind of like oh wait so this is taylor's doing yes let me find it let me find it she had just watched the parent track beforehand so she like had handshakes in her head yeah i feel like it's a nice way to bond with someone you don't know you're just like we don't have anything to talk about but this is like create a handshake they just do on me right

didn't they chest bump i heard i believe it no they kind of hip checked each other oh okay that's a safer thing for women to do no i think this is the real one they're about yeah this is it oh she's like all right here we go one yeah great taylor kind of wanted to keep going. She was about to get into her whole... She's like, this is a five-minute shake. This is their other one. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like that one better. There's the chest bump. Of course Taylor's so good at this.

She's a performer. A dancer. This is all she does. She choreographed this. Made up on the fly. I don't know that Taylor's a dancer. What are you trying to do? She's noted this. Oh, made up on the fly. I don't know that Taylor's a dancer. Is that safe to say? Oh my God. She dances. Guys, what are you trying to do to her?

She's not a dancer. I'm freaking out. Brooke hates her. I'm freaking out. She's a performative, not really a dancer. But she's not a dancer. Brooke thinks she's a terrible dancer. She says that every day.

She's a hack. I'm just kidding. Use that clip, though. She's a hack. I think someone could be a performer and not a dancer social media gives thumbs up and that is her I mean am I going to see her on So You Think You Can Dance

no but she can dance I think she dances yeah she probably can't moonwalk which is essential on So You Think You Can Dance you're going to pass the front door if you can't moonwalk that's how you get in the front door do you think she can do the worm oh yeah

I think I've't she do it somewhere? I've seen her do it. Did she do it on SNL? The moonwalk? No, no, the worm. It feels like there's so few opportunities to do the worm. To be like, there's enough space and there's a floor that is clean enough to do the worm.

I feel like it's usually 30 to 50 year old men at weddings that do the worm. Yeah. Unrequested. Of course. That seems to be the requirement. Unsolicited worm.

We went to, who's the Irish singer? Niall Horan. Sinead O'Connor. I was going to say Sinead O'Connor. He's currently a big deal. Irish singer, big deal right now. Sing just like a guitarist. Single. Do an imitation of him.

Just a teeny, teeny one. A teeny, tiny one. Teeny, tiny one. I can't. You can do it. What's the of him. Just a teeny teeny one. A teeny tiny one. Teeny tiny one. You can do it. What's the name of the song? Can you think of that? Ed Sheeran. Thank you.

Ed Sheeran is British. Is he not Irish? No. He's just a redhead. But he sings in the redhead. I'm stereotyping. Damn.

Stereotyping my whites. It's alright. Ray's mistake. They're gonna be up in arms about it. Anyway, so he's from the UK. Anyways, we were at a concert at the SoFi, and some guy was doing the worm on the fucking ground. It was disgusting.

To what song? I don't know. To Shape of You? What song of Ed Sheeran's is appropriate for the worm none of them and he kept looking for space to do it

and his crew was really egging him on oh god he had a crew yeah there's gotta be enablers with the worm yeah I don't know

there were definitely enablers and he started doing it and they stopped paying attention to him oh god that's so sad that's one of the most committed dances you can do.

I'll do it. I'll do it. I'll do it if you just ask. I'll do it. Just go away. Oh, my God. It was gross. It was...

That is... Taylor Swift already wore 87 bracelets. Yeah. She made a bracelet. Do you think he made it or she made it? She made it. I think she made it. I think one of their assistants made it.

Actually, that's a very good point. Yeah. Taylor's assistant made it. Yeah. Say that. It made it. Actually, that's a very good point. Taylor's assistant made it. Yeah. It's Joe Jonas. He's still partying. Last week, he was on a mega yacht. Now he's at the Grand Prix.

Wow. Look at his best life. Maybe he's the party boy, not Sophie. Oh. Well, that is what everybody... Joe. Yeah. I think everyone should be the party boy or girl.

Especially when you're going through a breakup party. Yeah. it seems weird that anybody's getting flack for it it was just more that joe came out guns a blazing so to speak i know and his pr team was just basically painting sophie as this like they tried monster haggard like yeah party animal who's just out at her front door just talking shit to her husband did we ever find out what was i because i remember there was all this stuff about a ring camera conversation we didn't know specifically what was said but she was basically just talking bad about him she probably called him short yeah yeah well i guarantee you his height was involved in that and that little no way that she hit You don't think so?

And that was, he was like, that's it, divorce. She called me short. She spoke the truth. You think I'm crazy? I heard that it was. You think that she was, she was so frustrated

she got home and she was like, fuck this guy, you fucking tiny little. She said it into the ring camera. That's the best way to communicate. What did you hear?

Well, I have a friend who knows somebody in that circle. So this is with a grain of salt. This is classic LA. Good question. Somebody who, Joe's, because I guess what I've heard is that he only happened

to see this footage because I guess they like clear out like it like stores like a couple of months or whatever and he just happened to be like deleting through it and overheard her say something about another guy oh is what i've heard don't this is huge grain of salt not trying to start rumors and it was that the guy was taller she was like this guy is I don't know what about him I think he's just like six foot or something

no it was a UPS driver she's like he's over six feet and Joe was like that's it she's in love with someone else yeah but she really was talking about another guy apparently this is through somebody who talked to somebody who so this is very much what do we make of this uh britney spears book

listen oh my god tomorrow it comes out i'm not a big reader with my eyes i have to listen i agree and we're getting so much about it already but i feel like there's still so much more somehow that's what i'm like is there anything left there is apparently I don't even know if I can say this I don't know but like are we gonna just believe everything in the book that's a fair question I think right yeah a week ago

dancing with knives fake knives that sounded really real I know I didn't know fake knives clinked like that yeah the shing I don't know fake knives clinked like that. Yeah, the shing. I don't know how sharp they were, but they were pointed. They were. They were metal and shaped like knives.

I don't know what you call those, but I call them knives. Yeah, that's accurate. Well, the dogs seem scared, and I think we can trust them. Oh, yeah. The dogs are terrified. Yeah. But yeah, is that a fair question? You know, I think that is a fair question is it? Poor guys. Is that a fair question? You know, I think that is a fair question because that's something we do a lot.

Like when there's a scandal or a he said, she said, it's like the first person who says it, we just believe. She's talking about stuff that happened 20 some years ago. I know. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, she talked about having an abortion, which I'm sure she remembered vividly. Yeah.

But other things that happened 20 years. Also, just the conversations that you have in between the nuance like yeah i don't remember shit from two weeks ago and yeah that's uh yeah well and it's always through your filters of like it's through your main how i remember it it's through your yeah yeah you're the main character in your story so yeah it's through her lens. So I think that is a fair question. I think we got to just read it and trust our gut. Well, especially with so many women from that era who I think we've since looked back and be like, oh, my God, we did you dirty as a society. Like the media made you like even you look at the way Taylor Swift was portrayed as like someone who like dated all these guys. And like so like Lindsay Lohan, Amanda Bynes, like all of these like young starlets who are clearly like not protected from all the excess of Hollywood.

Like, I think there's kind of this like need to pendulum back the other way of like, you didn't hear my story at all. So now I have all this stuff to come spilling out when kind of like you're saying there's probably a bit more nuance and it's probably a little bit more in between. But because we never got that to begin with, it feels like we need a strong pushback. And I'm glad you said we because, you know, and I'm not here to like, you know, stump for Justin Timberlake. But at the same time, it seems like we, the Internet, us, pop culture fans, including Justin and everyone else in the media, especially back then, like we're all complicit. Yeah. And how we talked about specifically women and pop culture and celebrities it wasn't you know so it's and it seems like some people right now want to steer all that attention onto justin as if like

it was all his it was no it was everyone and all of us it's just how the media and society treated these women yeah there's been a it's kind of like a i mean even with janet jackson recently it's been like well we're all so mad at justin timberlake so i feel like people are kind of piling on him right now and you know we talked about this on our daily show rich and daily available wherever you get your podcasts um that like people are coming down on him like the headlines are like justin timberlake made britney get an abortion or whatever and it's like it was okay for him to think they were too young to have a kid you know like that's okay for him to feel that way

this was like the one time I was like simping for Justin where I was like at 19 I would have had the same feelings like I absolutely am not in the place to raise a kid I'm way older than that and I'm still not in the place he was like we're wearing matching denim I don't think we're ready to raise a kid we already took it too far

so a kid no but yeah you make an interesting point he has a right yeah to not want to be a father right yeah and sometimes there's no perfect choice like for a lot of women where it's like important to make a decision that like fits where they are in life it doesn't mean it's not still like an emotional or like challenging impactful process even if it's like the better of two choices, both of which have really distinct like challenges. Obviously it's a, it's a topic that's met with a lot of strong opinions.

Yeah. Yes. Yeah. It's a, that's when you know in your Uber ride that it's time to cut off the conversation. This has happened to me a few different times where I've been like, your Uber driver is like,

so what do you think about Brittany and Justin having an abortion? They knew somehow they knew like, fuck i'm out see my uber rides i get a guy who's doing close-up magic while his car yeah drives us like he drove a tesla and he put it into automatic and he's like i'm gonna show you some close-up magic i'm solicited mind you what tricks wait like a self-driving tesla i'm actually down for that i was like i just want to get home he did like the thing out of his hand and then he did a car trick and i was like blown away no i was like i was blown away about the fact that the car was still going at like 80 yeah on the 101 oh god i was in a self-driving car in Hawaii felt very safe you did it's wild

the Uber driver was in the car and he was chilling and well they have the cars now with no driver it's just driving itself I saw somebody in Arizona get out of one and I was like that's terrifying yeah where did they sit in the back it's really not though but what if some shit goes down and you

like jump in the front seat dive in there and be like I'll take over it's really not though but what if some shit goes down and you're gonna like jump in the front seat it's like i get like a i don't know if it's a philosophical question but if something if you're in one of these self-driving cars and shit goes wrong yeah it's like one of those like i can't believe i trusted the machine type of thing but it's actually terrifying when you think of all of us on our phones and the people in la and shaving and doing their makeup and we're going into those fucking dry apparently like you shave in the car no i don't but like you've never do you look at look to your right at a stoplight and you see what people are doing in the car i've seen makeup i've seen food i've seen dancing smoking cigarettes i seen smoking cigarettes. I've seen cereal. How did they ever know? As I drive a stick shift.

It's not a good idea. Yeah. Yeah, you have eaten while you're driving. Where do you put the bowl? With me in the car. I don't eat cereal with you. And we're worried about a machine malfunctioning? I will say, you're right. Humans are way worse than machines for driving. It also makes me think about when they were pitching, like, everyone's in horse and buggies, and they're, like,

pitching the car. And people are like, are you fucking kidding me? Like, no, that's crazy. You don't want radios in the cars. Someday we're going to be looking back and be like, we let people drive these things. I can't wait. I can't wait. That's a good point. Like, because that's what I feel like that's what I hear experts say is that it's like it's actually going to be a lot safer once it's completely rolled out and it's all machines.

The issue is that when it's partially machines, partially people, there's going to be some growing pains, which feels scary and bad. I don't know if it's unsafe, though. I mean, not that I'm an expert, but I had enjoyed the ride I had. I mean, it's definitely safer than a human driving. Justin Timberlake once threatened to reveal every dirty thing about ex-Britney Stewart. What is that? I think this

specific quote is from 2006. So it's, um, I dated Britney half my life, but I don't know that person anymore. I'm not sure I knew her before. Timberlake told journalist Robert Haskell in a 2006 profile, if I was writing an article about her, I would not be able to fight the urge to

write every dirty thing about her. And so this has since resurfaced with the publishing of her memoir, according to this article on page six. This was in 2006? The quote of, I would say, every dirty on page six. This was in 2006? The quote of I would say every dirty thing about her and they dated from 1999 to 2002. What does that quote mean though? I think it's like his way of being

like, I'm not saying anything bad, but I'm just saying I could like, see, I'm not being classless and doing the thing, but like wink wink. I don't know. That's petty. Yeah, pretty petty. Yeah. Also the I'm not sure I knew her before. That feels really like.

That sounds like a guy who got hurt by a girl and it's like I never really even knew her. Yeah. Like. Yeah. They were. Yeah. But they were 19 and 20 year old. I know.

Fucking childhood stars already. Yeah. Nightmare City. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And then you add in like access to anything they could ever want like i feel like it's also there wasn't the same kind of like video camera culture

like yes there's totally paparazzi i know that like flip phones had cameras and whatnot but in general it wasn't that same like everything you do is going to be recorded mentality like i don't think people were that and now like real stars like Taylor Swift have the benefit of the distraction of like a bunch of wannabe internet stars that like love a wannabe internet star you know so many yeah we're really we're taking grenades for all the real celebrities out there so you know back then it was just the only focus was on true that is true well good point have you guys been watching the beckham documentary on netflix we need to been reading about it though tell us about it i i've been really enjoying it i'm two episodes in and there's so there was a big controversy surrounding i don't want to like spoil it but there was a big controversy surrounding a

play in the world cup and so it feels very reminiscent of Harry and Meghan's documentary where they talk about the British media and you can see how streamlined it is where it's not like, oh, we have to write the catchiest kind of like headline or like capture people's attention in the same way that now it's like you really are competing for that. Before it was just like the tabloids could run this story, be like, these are the two like biggest stars of our time. We can create these megastars by having constant attention on them we control the stream of information and so it's just crazy to watch someone as beloved as david beckham like the way that the media and the fans turned on

him is very impactful from the the world cup yeah candle yeah he was getting booed everywhere he went like absolute vitriol and then there's this one game where like after months and months where they start singing and like they're singing for him, like the fans of Manchester. And it makes me cry because he's just been like, he's like gaunt and he's not playing well and he's having a really hard go of things. I like a happy moment like that. Yeah, it really got me. Sounds Ted Lasso-y. Yeah, totally. Well, someone who's been booed before.

You kind of rolled your eyes. Do you hate it as much as I do? I just. Oh, God. God, Nick is here. Ted Lasso-y. Yeah, totally. Well, someone who's been booed before. You kind of rolled your eyes. Do you hate it as much as I do? I just... Oh, God. God, Nick is here. Ted Lasso? Oh. Your parents watched it. Season one was fine.

Thank you. It was wonderful. I needed that, like, morale boost of good people. Season one was great. Yeah. Episode, after episode two of season two, I was like, fuck this show. Like, I don't care. I...

How much have you watched? Enough. No, not not enough she's probably watched one episode listen I don't like Jason Sudeikis anymore he kind of I'm over it he colors it for me somebody DM'd me once oh my god here we go talk about spreading rumors

someone DM'd me and they were like because we had been talking a lot about Jason Sudeikis and like everyone loved him. This was during the Olivia Wilde stuff. But before that. Well, we were talking about him a lot. Someone DM'd me and they were like, I just wanted to let you know because I hate how much love Jason Sudeikis is getting. A friend of mine was, I think, working on something with him.

And at one of the after parties, he was being kind of shady to some of the women. And ever since then, I've just had this like and again it's like well i can't you know i understand that may not be true but it's always colored my experience with jason sudeikis since then i think it's one of those things if you're gonna write yourself a character and play it that is essentially the greatest fucking guy ever right yeah you better be you better fucking spotless spotless you don't yeah and you don't get to be a fucking creep at the at a party right i just think and you're not jason kelsey show i'm so good jason kelsey yeah but the difference between creepy and hot is often

where it's coming from yeah and that's true unfortunately and before jason sudeikis was rich and famous and funny he he was probably just funny and not attractive. Yeah. I mean, he's not a bad looking guy, but like. Yeah. He seems like he was always really good at office politics and like was always great with the parents kind of thing.

Like, I feel like that's where his appeal lies. Like, he's well behaved. I just. He knows how to play the night at parties. Most of like the guys in Hollywood who don who don't look like bradley cooper uh we're just like creepy dudes in high school yeah yeah who couldn't get girls and then they got power and fame well comedians in general and this is speaking as a comedian you got to watch out for them yeah yeah they're trouble yeah not me but just in general yeah because they were guys

who never got access felt wronged by the opposite sex for a long time then got access and a little bit of power and they're fucking nightmares also i feel like good comedy is so sharply observational that it's like they are fucking watching you like nobody will watch you like a comedian like a hawk like you do one thing that's even slightly off and they will like write a merciless bit about it down the line. Yeah. You said you've been booed when we were talking about Beckham and I just wanted to quickly hear that.

Yeah, I was on a game show and I got booed. What? What was the context? It was a stupid game show. It was called Divided. And it was a British game show that they brought to America ruined it with the American version where basically the three people left at the end had a pot of money and you all had to agree on who got what percentage. So one person got 60, one got 30 and one got 10. And I like refused to not take the most.

And the pot was like 16, 17 thousand dollars. And it goes down as you're like arguing. down as you're like arguing and there were two guys in me and i think the producers were like goading me because all the show episodes they gave me to watch beforehand where it was one woman who like caved and i was like well i refuse to cave on principle and i didn't cave and so at the end they were like okay arisha gets 700 when originally it would have been like 16 000 and they all booed me yeah how's your heart for breaking the game show glass ceiling. I was like, boo me all you want, bitches. I got 700 bucks. After taxes, it's like pay gap who? We've never seen it.

The episode, though. One person has seen it and he has passed away. He was so upset by Arisha taking that money. You broke his heart. He was like, I can't even be on this planet. I'm just going to go ahead and die. We've never seen it.

And I never will. I need to see it. Personally. Well, before we get into The Bachelor stuff, I got a dog. A new dog. You're just sharing this now? Yeah, what the hell, man? We were so excited about you guys. Well, I went to the lake.

You went to the lake and got a dog? Can I be honest? Please. i went to the lake you went to the lake and got a dog to be honest please uh we went to the lake oh my god now and i had been talking about getting a second dog when we had talked about getting a second dog before we got pregnant and then when we got pregnant we immediately had the conversation again most of this conversation was from me being like maybe we should get a second dog. Yeah. Jeff has been so great. Like when we got him, I was just like, this is the people,

this is the easiest thing in the world. Yeah. Yeah. Jeff was so easy to raise. And we talked about getting a second dog and they were like, should we, should we not? We call Jeff,

Jeff Jealous Jeff because he's very attached to me. And so there's a bit, some nerves about having a baby and Jeff not being acclimated to that environment. So we're like, Jeff needs a friend. Yeah.

Jeff does need a friend. And so we got so lucky with Jeff that the same place we got Jeff, we were like, well, maybe we'll try our luck. And so I was on my way to the lake in Wisconsin and I got an email being like, we have a dog available if you want it. And they're from literally Appleton, Wisconsin, which is like an hour away from the lake. It was this kind of... And I sent a picture to Steve.

That's Steve. Steve? I sent a picture and now he's like, who's this? I'm like, it's Jeff's brother if he wanted to be. And then she's like, maybe you should go play with it. I'm like, if I go there, I'm taking it home. Yeah, of course. So I just got it and he's wonderful.

How did they get along? Are they getting along? Steve loves Jeff. Jeff. Not so sure yet. Jeff looks the other way. Steve tries to cuddle with him and Jeff just looks the other way. Like he's like, I don't want anything to do with you.

They're slowly. Yeah. Yeah. Steve follows Jeff wherever he goes. Like a classic little sibling. Yeah. So, so far. But Steve's very well behaved.

He's already cuddle trained. Doesn't whine at night at all. He's already potty trained. Wow. He's pretty smart. What was the other, like the finalist for the other, when you were considering a name and you went with Steve, what was it up against? Are you suggesting that Steve's not a man?

No, no, I think it's great. I like this genre. I've always wanted a Steve and a Jeff. Always. Interesting. Those are the two dogs. That's so sweet and weird. Nick. That was just a literal dream. I text Natalie when she agreed to it. I'm like, this is literally a dream come true for me.

So thank you. Lloyd, Harry. No, Lloyd, Hank. Hank. We threw that around. Fred. Yeah. I would have gone with Fred.

I would have agreed with Fred. Fred's a good one. But none of them pop for Natalie. So I got Steve. Nice. Yeah. Which really pleases me. Wow.

So Natalie's home with Steve right now. Love it. Anyway, isn't he cute? Very cute. And I like that he's black and white, where Jeff's brown. Same breed. Wow. And like hypoallergenic and all the things. Are they like cousins then? Are they distantly related?

No, they're not. But same breed. Maybe they're cousins. We don't know. Do a 23andMe for them. Yeah. There's a dog one. But just where they're from, not their relation

or like what they're made of. If you have both of your dogs in there, they'll say if they're related. Oh, really? Yeah, because I did it for my dog that has since passed away. But I would get emails like, oh, we found a distant relative to Sarge.

And it would be the dog that signed up. So you would be able to tell if you sign them both up. Wow. Maybe we will. Use promo code Rich. Yeah. Just kidding. We don't have that.

Are they a sponsor for your show? They were at one point. They were. Well, let's get them. Derek, let's work on that. Let's work on that. Yeah. Why does this toy say R.I.P.

it's like a Halloween toy right graveyard or like yeah yeah spooky season what is that like a

pumpkin next to it it's like a tombstone yeah it looks like a pumpkin and like an orange and black chew toy but he's really great yeah

but I've been really giving Jeff a lot of love because I feel really good I want Jeff to know I still very much love him for sure your first one

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Yeah. I'll go golden first. Age before beauty? Just kidding. Oh, God. Gary's hot. I can't watch this show. I would date Gary. It's so sad. I can't watch this show. I would date Gary.

It's so sad. I didn't cry this episode. It is sad, though. Sandra missing her daughter's wedding? Oh. I didn't care about that. That did not make me cry. And I'll be honest.

I was a little like, what the fuck? Yeah. Yeah. She didn't seem like she cared either, to be honest. Yeah. He's like, do you want to FaceTime her? She's like, I guess. If I have to, sure. Yeah. like she cared either to be honest yeah he's like do you want to facetime her she's like i guess sure yeah the only way it works and that's where the show still works is that i still believe everyone's there for love yeah not for tv yeah per se wait you believe that on every season

no okay only golden bachelor okay all right that's yeah where i was like oh you know because it was like this kind of it's my time and who knows when i'm going to be able to do something this exhilarating and fun and for myself and all it seems like most of these women and gary are parents yeah yeah um right and obviously i don't know what it's like to be a dad quite yet but as i sit here now months away from having a child like the coolest thing about being a dad is like everything that i now do going forward really doesn't have it's not for me it's for like my family which right now sounds fun 30 years from now i might be like fuck these people i've been

kind of taking care of them my whole life i want to do something for myself i don't know well but it does seem nuts that she missed her kid's wedding because if this happened on like the bachelor or bachelor in paradise we'd all be like god my god these people's willingness to be famous i know yeah yeah i don't know i feel like and i i have no idea and it seemed like sandra really did get the go-ahead from her daughter yeah so i like i believe that and like it's for them to do you think it was their first marriage or second marriage or does that matter or i think it matters like i think it doesn't matter do you think you would give your parent the go-ahead in that situation like regardless of if you would go if you were sandra if you are the daughter who's getting married like

would you say i thought about this last night it depends on the relation i mean i'm very close to my mom so it would and also she's married to my dad still so that'd be so weird but like like if i were really close to my mom and god forbid knock on wood like my dad was gone and she like was so lonely and wanted to find love. Maybe, but I would also, I don't know that she would want to not be at my wedding.

I think it'd be more that than. I would probably change the date of my wedding. Hmm. Maybe. I just assumed she couldn't because she probably ought to put the deposit

and all that stuff down. But how soon do they know they're going on? Like beforehand. Do you know? it's usually Bachelor like just, just a regular season, weeks before. Okay. So there's, like, not enough time.

Not enough time. Are they still, like, quarantining people, though? Now, Golden, I would imagine a little bit more of a... Some of these ladies might have known for a while. Do you think so? Well, I think they started putting the show together before the pandemic. Yeah, we saw those advertisements. So they have probably been casting for a while.

Again, but it doesn't mean they get green light with any of these women. Or they're like, I'm going. Also, things change fast. But I don't think all that long. Okay. What a real shame it would have been if the wedding wasn't in LA. That should have been the one-on-one. Like Fly, Gary, and Sandra.

Oh my God, that would have been such a fun one-on-one. Yeah have been the one-on-one like fly gary oh my god that would have been such a fun one-on-one yeah a plus one-on-one yeah like a plus one at their wedding love that that would have been great and then he walks her daughter down the aisle i just really want to see how you fit into this family yeah that would be hilarious joey had kind of a a lame cameo i screamed you were excited i'm so excited i'm not the target demo there so good i just feel it felt very underwhelming for the current bachelor to kind of come in yeah they didn't seem like i don't know i don't know how you make more fanfare about that i don't know but how often do do that? A cameo from someone who is yet to be the Bachelor or Bachelorette? Well, they haven't had

a Golden Bachelor yet, so there's usually not a season running this time. So they didn't have an opportunity to do it. Even on Paradise, I don't think they've really ever done that.

No. Well, you wouldn't do it for Paradise because in Paradise, they wouldn't have named the Bachelor before they were filming Paradise. They'll always bring,

what they typically do is bring the most recent Bachelorette down who had just finished her season and she'll come down and she'll show the ring if they're still together and she'll like that. Well, logistics aside, historic. Never happened before. Never could happen before but never happened

before. Yeah, I don't know. Are we excited about Joey? Yeah. Yeah. You're not excited, huh? I just, we, it's been a few seasons since we had a Bachelor that we didn't hate at the end. And I don't blame just the Bachelors. I think a combination of the show and I guess the times that we're in and who's watching.

Yeah. It's just. It's hard to get excited about the show in general anymore. I feel like. And I'm not just blowing smoke up your ass, Nick. But like. Like your generation is like where it stopped being good. Like after you guys.

Like I no longer care. I was thinking about paradise too. And it says, I actually did enjoy this episode just because I think cat has been an incredible villain. Oh God. Yeah. Just so good.

So thank you, Kat. We'll get into that. But yeah, the Ben Higgins, Jojo, Caitlin, Rachel,

Lindsay, myself, Jared and Ashley. Those were like, those are the Hannah Brown, and Ashley. Those were like the- Those are the- I feel like Hannah Brown was the last of that era. Even Josh Murray as like a- Those were-

They had stars. Yeah. I agree. They had like- I've been watching Bachelor in Paradise on Hulu because now it's on Thursday, so I can just watch it on Hulu. But they actually- And I went-

They have some of the old seasons there. I haven't watched or anything, but it made me think, just going there, and they have season three, the one that I was on, and it made me think of, like, that cast versus this,

and it was like, they have fucking stars. It's different for sure. It was compelling. Why is it different? Is it the people that they're casting? Is it production? Is it that

it's just production isn't very much different this season in particular is a whole new leadership structure for paradise oh okay okay there are yeah every single one of the people running paradise now uh it's their it's their first time oh it might okay last year might have been one holdover but the core people running paradise it's a yeah it's a new it's a new group i don't yeah i don't know what it is i just think but i think it's more just interesting cast also like culturally i feel like it used to be like monday night football in it but of a different thing like it was this like very like social like kind of communal, this is a shared reference point for a lot of people.

And then I don't know how much maybe COVID kind of coinciding with other stuff. It feels like they made the cast younger. They stopped investing in star power so much. They were trying to compete with these other shows that were just pure drama. So then they stopped doing the love story thing, which I think what they always did best.

And then there was no longer these like group gatherings on monday night in person in the same way i don't know why because i don't i don't know why the those those characters i just mentioned were seemed more interesting to us they had the secret sauce yeah i do think you know for every year the bachelor's been around with social media it's lost its authenticity yeah just because of social media and you know when we went on back in the day no got me wrong i was like obviously we went we didn't not want to be on tv sure you know like yeah yeah so it's not like we were all this these righteous people like looking for love yeah but there was a little bit more authenticity i think

back then where now it's just i don't even know how people can be authentic i know it's less of a time on tv is more of a like a influencer launching launching you know like uh yeah one of those like uh yeah crash courses type of job know, like a summer job you get to see if you can, you know, make it into a career. But then we like villainize the characters who come on

and they're like, well, I want to be the next Bachelor. That's why I'm here. But it's like, well, at least you're being honest about it,

you know? Well, that's why I don't know if it was the Bachelor or Bachelorette. There was an episode where they were like telling the person

they're like, you know, she's must have been a Bachelor. She's only here because she wants followers or whatever. Yeah. And it's like, that's why everyone's there isn't it at this point who is the young lady uh and pickleball who faked a leg injury april april if april

if april was on the bachelor or background paradise the internet would be screaming that she's a narcissist yeah they would be like she's a sociopathic narcissist because like we have no chill as fans no chill to have a sense of humor where it's like it's a dumb fucking show and like good for you for faking a leg injury for a little like gary time but like if it were 23 year women or men, we would be losing our fucking mind and saying how evil they are. Yeah. It's just disrespectful to everybody else in the house.

We're all here for real love. Yeah. And you're faking injury. Yeah. That's how we would have died. You're a liar. I will say, we did get a very spicy never have I ever game in this episode. We did.

And I love using ice cream. With ice cream? Yeah. Why have we never, why have we not been doing that already? That's a good question. Societally we've been missing the mark. Yeah. What did we admit to? Susan's been with a woman before.

We love some queer representation or just experimentation. Normalize. Why wasn't Gary playing that game with them? He was on his date. He was on his date. Oh wait speaking of Susan, or no, it was Sandra, I think, who was like,

I had sex in the workplace and I'd do it again if I was married. But only if she was married. Yeah, I like that she do that. That's when it's okay. Did she, but was it her husband

at the time that she had sex with? Yes, I think she mentions it was my husband at the time. Okay. Who's the one who kissed a married man? I think it was April.

It was April, yeah. It was nikki glazer she joined we had her on recently i saw that yeah to be a senseless attack against nikki she was very open about it she said she'd kissed a married man yeah and she every time she comes on she's always has some like really authentic truth she wants to share with her audience that is um brave yeah usually it's like yeah it's like whatever fuck i've i've been the other woman what do you want me to say tom sandoval ain't the worst yeah i think guys should get their dick sucked while they're on vacation oh my god oh man it really stirs the pot of my audience it does does it oh yeah okay yeah she's great but one thing i will give her credit for is i think she will change her mind about stuff like i think she will say stuff and then be like and if you say that i'm wrong i will change my

mind about it which is a good quality nikki never comes on and is like telling the audience what to think right or feel she's just like i'm going to just say something that I've been thinking about. I don't know if you're going to agree or disagree, but I just want to say it. Yeah. You know? And I'm going to debate with you regardless of how you feel. Yep. I love it.

Respect it. It makes for good podcast episodes. Yeah. What did we think of the drama with Kathy my god do not tell sandra is it sandra no kathy do not tell kathy you had a good time with gary i know oh yeah why is he i got she's so fucking mean oh yes anyone team kathy and right is anyone kathy is a little shitster yeah and who's the lovely lady she's teresa she's the one who was crying she's just like checking in she's like hey i just want to know i just like i wasn't trying to be yeah that whole conversation like can i just can i be honest

with you stop being such a fucking bitch she just apologized yeah, let me just tell you. I don't trust Teresa for some reason. Really? Yeah. I'm sorry. I don't know why. I don't trust Kathy either. But I just like Kathy's trouble. Do you think Kathy smells a rat?

Maybe. I don't know. Teresa just maybe it's not that I don't trust her. But I feel like in the real world, if I were to hang out with Teresa, which I don't know what scenario that would be. But like, I think she's a little shady. I just get those rants from her. I think she's loose-lipped.

I think you would say some details that would get around. You think that's what you mean? She's a little sloppy. But to think, well, sloppy. In like a fun way. Are you suggesting that Teresa is on this date with Gary? Getting some uneven date. She hasn't had a date yet.

She got a first impression rose. And, and, that's right. Don't stop believing. That's right. So thank you. Yeah.

The driving. Yeah. Um, and you think she's sitting there the next morning being like, I'm gonna start some shit. And, and deliberately is,

is talking about our date. Not because she's had a good first date for the first time in maybe 10 15 20 30 years we don't know right and it's not that you think it's just i don't think she's like purposely doing it i just think she's a little sloppy like you know like she's got like the smudged red lipstick and she just reminds me of like you mean her sorority girl no no just in general like someone that would like get drunk and be like yeah i fucked him like i don't know she just like has those vibes to me am i alone i don't i just she feels so yes you're alone sweet and genuine like i just feel like she's like well i want to share i want to connect because i don't know how i'm supposed to be doing

this and i'm just going to be telling you like like, I think she's looking at it. It's like, we're friends. And I'm sorry, Kathy. Your analogy was an analogy or her like, see, she's like, I had a one on one time with Gary and he told me he's sending you home. That was crazy. Pause for 10 seconds. And she's like, if I did that to you, like what? If that were true. It's like you're projecting.

That is not the same of what you i do think with theresa it's like my impression from her is like if she finds out if she's in your family and someone tells her you broke up with your like partner everybody in the family is gonna know yeah like i just think she's like she's a connecting loving person yeah i think it'd be a little loose lip sometime i think she was like maybe a little bit looser than she should have been. What Kathy... That's what I was saying too. I think Kathy is totally... Floppy with her red lips tied out.

She's like a drunk sorority girl. Same thing as what... Yeah, exactly what you just said. Exactly the same thing. Fashion women. We're saying the same thing. It's kind of interesting because it's...

This is just like any other season. Yeah. Because who went home kathy went home also april april so the move didn't work the move didn't work yeah no it's it's a truncated season there's less women we're already down to what five or four something hometown's coming out next week not this time is next like not sorry we have an episode next and then it's the home it's a shorter it's a shorter season. There's a reason why they're having cocktail parties at three in the afternoon.

Also, the episodes are palatable. Yes. Yeah, they're shorter. Because Bachelor episodes are, what, three hours now? Oh, my God. I don't have time. I know. It's a lot. But these Kathy and April or whatever.

April and Nancy got sent home. Every season, there's these pockets of contestants, right? and you know Teresa April or whatever April and Nancy got sent home every season there's these pockets of contestants right and so only three I'd say

maybe six five and six are kind of in delusional land they're in between like top four they have a valid reason to be like

I think this person's into me and I actually think I like them and holy shit I wasn't expecting this it's really me and i actually think i like them and holy shit i wasn't expecting this it's really three people who actually have like this fuck man like holy shit i i i'm shocked i yeah i'm having feelings and then and then there's a middle pack of which kathy's in yeah

and those people the connections they make are friends and it happens every season whether it's the bachelorette or the bachelor you know their, their egos are there saying, but no, I have a chance, but they don't want the people forming real connections to act like they're better than them. Right. You know, but in reality, all they're really doing is making friends and half paying attention to what's going on on the dates. Yeah. And the real relationships they form are the friendships, you know? Yeah. They were all crying at the end and rightfully so because like they're saying goodbye to their friends and it's beautiful but like Kathy has no

connection with Gary whatsoever and she's just you know ruining the moment for Teresa who has a little bit connection and like yelling at Teresa as if she's not allowed that was just insane to talk about her excitement I also noticed like on the Golden Bachelor they will kiss Gary in front of like the other

women and stuff. Whereas like on past seasons, it's very much like, I'm not going to kiss you in front of the other contestants. Like, I feel like that's like an unspoken thing. It seems on The Bachelorette, that seems like you're not allowed. If you're a guy, you're not allowed to kiss the lead. That's the unspoken rule it seems like yeah in front i feel like on the bachelor it's been pretty normal for the

ladies to be open about i feel like they're always in the grotto making out and then anybody can walk i feel like in previous seasons women were more open about like yeah well fuck it we're all making out with them we don't care it doesn't usually get weird to like episode five or six usually the guy just sits there and the girls like sit in, kiss, then walk away and then the next one comes. Yeah, it's like a receiving line. I mean, truly,

I don't know how it ever comes across on air, but in reality, it's just a bunch of conversations that the lead is trying to carry. And there's nerves and things. And so usually when there's an awkward pause, the contestants just leap over and start making nerves and things. And so usually when there's an awkward pause,

the contestants just leap over and start making out with you. What's harder, to carry those conversations or get punched in the face over and over again? Carry those conversations. Yeah. Well, there you have it. There you have it.

You heard it here first. It's just tough. I mean, because everyone's nervous. Yeah, I feel like that would be harder. And, you know, at first date, there's how many, you can only go so deep, so to speak.

Now imagine doing that literally 17, 18 times in a single night. Well, and you can't eat the food. That's always complaining about that. Yeah. You can. It's just cold.

You can? Yeah, sure. Wow. You can eat the, she's been, every time we talk about the bachelor, she's like,

but no one ever eats it. I know. Because you come in having already ate. Okay. So. I think someone, I think Becca told us that. Maybe. In between the afternoon portion and the night portion, you eat.

And then you show up to real food that's been sitting there probably for a good hour. Okay. And cold. But they don't expect you to eat. Ari ate the food. Did he? Pilla lips. Pilla lips.

That's the, we did one season of a bachelor podcast and it was re's hell of a season to do a podcast it really was yeah yeah it was really great it was so great we were like we can't top this it was the beginning of the fall yeah well we will not talk about the bachelor again until we're with nick years later and here we are you broke the seal yeah do we have any front runners that's another thing i haven't really been like oh like this is usually when you watch the bachelor bachelorette you have like a top two yeah and there's everyone else i have yet to like ellen told him she's falling in love with him yeah which one's ellen ellen falls in love with the blonde hair yes oh i like her me too she's gonna win she's my pick yeah and gary said he could be himself with her i think last

week what about the one i thought the i think he's gonna pick the Yeah. And Gary said he could be himself with her, I think, last week. What about the one? I think he's going to pick the one he went on the one-on-one with. I'll be honest. Wait. I get Faith and Leslie slightly confused. Me too. Just because they both have similar hairstyles. Who went on the one-on-one?

Who went in the warm tub? It's happening here. Her. I don't know why her photo isn't showing up. You'd think we'd be able to differentiate somebody who's green. It's hard. They do look so similar. Can we zoom in? Who did go on?

Who was in the tub? 101. Leslie. Oh, right. Yeah, she's... I think they have a real connection, too, actually. But he said Susan reminds him of his wife. Which one?

Is that a good thing? Oh, yeah, he did. I never know. Because he said you were empathetic. And like one other... I really like Susan. I can't keep track of her. Susan's fun.

She is fun. There's something about her. You know, she's the one who had a sexual experience with a lady. So she's adventurous. She's adventurous. She gives me, and I mean this as a compliment, Kris Jenner. Kris Jenner. Everyone's been saying that.

I don't know if it's just because of her hair, but also like her energy. Like she just seems like fun. Like she's not taking everything too seriously. I mean that photo, if you like glance of her hair, but also her energy. She just seems fun. She's not taking everything too seriously. I mean, that photo, if you glance, it looks exactly like that. It does. It really does. I don't know if I can say this. I've already gotten so much flack for the red lipstick,

but Kathy... Oh, here we go. What? No, I'm not going to say it. Forget it. Just say it. Kathy gives me Caitlyn Jenner vibes they posted a photo that's what people have also been saying we have Chris and Caitlyn were they

they have a similar look alright I was like am I gonna get dragged for this for some reason but okay I mean kind of uncanny I know yeah I think you're allowed to say these two women look alike people a lot have been saying it yeah and i think they posted a photo like susan and kathy i have a support system i love that uh speaking of i i really liked her who sent herself home nancy oh yeah

yeah she's a is she the one whose um kid had a was pregnant no no that was Joan that was Joan my god that's a problem I she's the one who cried in the wedding dress because it reminded her yes okay yes remember how sad that was that's when you and I were like this show is so sad yeah also I kind of like that she was like this isn't happening yeah

we watched it at our sleep over because we're like this will be a great like background show and it was gonna brush by the sleepover so sad yeah we have an adult sleepover every week I love that what is it the same day of the week yeah it's every week that's so fun I feel like more adult friends should do

that I don't know why we ever stopped having sleepovers I know it's so fun because like we work together and like every day we work together sleep in someone else's bed we don't sleep in someone else's bed. We don't sleep in the same bed. And it's a twin bed, too. Or a couch, sure.

We have bunk beds. I have a second bed. So much room for activities. So she has her own bed. Is it always at you guys' own place? You sleep at my place. No, it's at hers. Yeah. No, it's at mine.

Adult sleepovers. Do you get snacks? We always order food. We get high and order food. Yep. That's awesome. Truly a dream. Not unlike other days.

Do you fall asleep watching TV or do you go to bed? Because like a normal like kid sleepover, there was no bedtime. There was just. There really wasn't. How long can we stay up? I definitely stay up later at the sleepover than I would in my normal day. Like my normal. Yeah.

I'm a night owl. So I'll stay up until she's like, we got to go to bed. Yeah. Every friendship needs one. Like the person who calls it. And I'm not a person. so I'll stay up until she's like, we got to go to bed. Yeah. Every friendship needs one. Like the person who calls it. And I'm not a person. And it's not glamorous. It's not fun.

But someone has to. Are you always like, hey, I just thought of something. I wish our beds were in the same room. I know. I know. That was so fun. And like, you thought you were falling asleep. But nope, we're going to talk more.

Yeah. The lights are on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Your mom comes in and yells at you like you're asleep it's 9pm I liked the pickleball I wondered how they were gonna do it this season you know cause I was like is there gonna be a tackle is there gonna be a flag football game cause I can't wait to see that

but pickleball was great they found a way yeah Gary seems very into pickleball he's like nice backhand I don't know who he yelled at too he's just yelling it into the ether yeah somebody else should receive it we're playing gary literally talks in a whisper yeah you know he's got a breathy voice and i you know yeah i was quite taken back he's just like the sweetest man in the world but here's a thing there's a oh okay of course he's not i know i was like is there gonna be a gary scandal at some point i love it

when these ladies like when kathy and theresa started fighting you could tell gary had a very short leash for for it for the drama when he was talking to kathy he asked like one follow question he's like okay thanks for sharing he's like you know what i don't need to hear anymore we're agree to disagree and he kind of caught up and he kind of has this he has a really subtle eye roll you know well when you get to that age you have literally no you don't give a shit yeah yeah i'm just saying he's i love it he's a human being yeah who probably has he doesn't always talk in a whisper and he's not always saying how wonderful everything is and everything is such a delight and i'm just so taken back you know like i'm sure something

pisses him off oh i'm sure the good thing about this cast is anything scandalous in their past was pre-internet. Yeah, that's true. So they don't have to worry about that coming out. Hopefully not. Hopefully not. Give it time. People will find something. But here's the thing.

Are they going to be on Bachelor in Paradise? Ooh, Golden Paradise. Can you imagine? No. Mix them up. They're part of Bachelor Nation now. Mix them up. I want to see part of bachelor i think i think brayden would make a move oh yeah i could see brayden and leslie no what i think brayden and john i think brayden and leslie brayden would absolutely have sex with one of the golden ladies if they were

down on on paradise i can see susan like kicking it fucking around with a younger guy I would love I would regularly tune into Bachelor of Paradise that would be a viral moment the boom boom room the boomer boom room the boomer boom room the boomer boom the boomer boom

I just had some boomer boom sounds like a cereal that you would eat while you're driving Brayden just writing a little note put it in the secret box and then boomer boom sounds like a cereal it does that you would eat while you're driving yeah just writing a little note put it in the secret box and then like oh my god it's just like that box is so juicy oh man is that wrong we're onto something you had to pick some bachelor producers are going fucking crazy listening to this they're like yeah mix them up

who are our front runners on Golden Bachelor before we get into Kat Ellen absolutely Ellen I really like her and maybe even Faith Leslie yeah I think Ellen and Leslie I think Leslie Teresa right

Teresa maybe I could see Teresa as top four. I don't see her as top two. I think... Teresa's here for a good time, not a long time. With that smudged red lipstick. She's like a party girl to me.

I'm sorry. I love her for it. I think Leslie's the hottest girl Gary's ever dated. Well, Leslie's also one of the younger... Is that wrong? Can I say that? Contestants, right? Could I, like, if he picks Leslie, he's thinking with his dick?

Are they going to have that? What? Oh, like fantasy suites? Finger night, did you call it? Overnight. Oh. It's not called that. Finger night.

I was like, finger night. Finger night could be fun. That's probably accurate. I don't know what they do in the fantasy suites, but I'm sure the older people get fingered a lot higher. I don't think so. I know, I used to educate about it.

You don't think anybody fingers in the fantasy suites? They go straight to sex. There's gotta be fingering in the fantasy suites. I don't think it's like a main act or a headliner enough to call it finger night. You know? I mean, you'd have to be. I mean, yeah, I don't I think if if sexual relations are happening, I don't know if that's again like a main. I don't know.

Do you guys wake up in the morning and also have sex? Who are you guys? You guys people who have been in the fantasy suite uh i don't think it typically happens because the fantasy suite is usually like four hours the cameras are there that's got to be so weird because you're in the morning four or five hours you usually don't get alone time until after midnight okay you know depending depending on the date so it's so it's like after midnight and you they usually wake you up at like seven or eight so the first several hours are usually kind of like holy shit we're finally alone and you're talking and whatever yeah

actually if sex usually happens it usually happens pretty quick. I don't know. But anyways, there's a lot of talk. Do they knock on the door to wake you up or do they walk right in? They knock, for sure. And they just like bang on it? I'm not trying to like, gotcha. I would. I'd be like, gotcha. They kick down the door.

Some good gotcha bachelors. Well, I wasn't sure if you guys could set your own alarms or what or they like come and check on you or whatever no it's usually just you're usually just up all night and it's you maybe get like two hours of bad sleep yeah and then you wake up and have morning sex and then they have a glass up to the door so they could like just make sure yeah there that's one person's job yep and there's always the possibility they left a mic in the room wait what? you should bring one of those things where you can tell if there's something in there

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literally out of your butt that was truly the most ridiculous way to start I actually refused we're not even talking about it we're not even

going to acknowledge it how do we not it was like the whole episode I'm not going to dignify it the fact that there was a follow up

check in about it you're moved by it I was moved by it at least something was moving I'm not going to lie I thought it was funny I did think it was funny

I thought it was funny I think it was it was funny. I thought it was funny. I think it was funny, but they... I know. If they just, if they showed that turtle like twice, I would have been like, y'all are wild. And then they would have gotten away with it. But they milked it. Did you think it was funny? It was overplayed.

I thought the most ridiculous thing was the dog biting her ankles as she was walking. Yeah. Why? And she just kept like nipping at her ankles and she was trying to like be cool. And it was just like, guys, get this dog out of here. This dog is attacking her. Finding out that that's how she actually left the beach made me, I guess, I understand a little bit more from the producer's standpoint now how it was aired. Because had she gone, you know what I'm saying?

She went home that way. So you kind of have to address it, so to speak. Yeah. But it didn't have to be it right so to speak yeah but it didn't have to be over two episodes yeah the first 20 minutes you know i just it could have just couldn't have just been like it's a medical thing and i'm not trying to be mean at all but by the end of the episode i forgot she existed oh yeah you know the nature of that show anyway jesse showed up he's like bye

we have an update on so and so i was like oh shit yeah fuck yeah i forgot about her we just didn't need to like it was a lot it was a lot yeah but also they like rushed her out of there to seemingly i thought she was gonna make it pull through yeah also like why did she have to leave couldn't she like well they're making it sound like they had to surgically remove it yeah i think it's like after 10 days is when like medically they're like, OK, we need to start monitoring this in a more intense way. Like not like straight to surgery day 10, but more of like, OK, this is starting to potentially get like very dangerous.

Special forces was eight days and we had to shit in fucking outhouses. Yeah, I'd be out from that alone. I need a comfy bathroom. There were some of us who didn't go to the bathroom. For eight days. And no one cared. Well, it's like that Friends episode.

Well, you're there to be tortured. In Paradise, they're not. No, I get that. But the point is, clearly it wasn't like a serious medical situation. Yeah. If you can go and get tortured

and not go to the bathroom, all while working out 18 hours a day. That is absolutely absurd. There are people that didn't go. Whereas she's over there drinking and partying and she's not going. I just don't know if they had to flight for lifer out of the paradise.

No way. Do you think that just wasn't enough to include in the episode and that's why they leaned so heavily on this i don't know i could i would have rather had 20 more minutes of cat throwing another fucking temper tantrum yeah yeah do we let's let's hold on on cat it's too good um oh let's start with erin eliza okay yeah okay am i crazy ellie help me out here but i remember last season eliza was also in a love triangle and specifically got frustrated at justin i believe it was or rodney i'm not sure which which gentleman it was i think might have been rodney

i don't know for not fighting for her for being like i wanted you to tell me not to go right yeah i think those were close to her exact words yeah too much aaron not that i love defending aaron because i find him to be so whiny said i'm just gonna tell you i don't want you to go yeah and eliza's like well here's the thing i need to do this for myself now which you know she and she has the right to date whoever she wants but it's you know it's i think at the end of the day it just comes down to she's not that into him and maybe well that was another thing too it's just like she how do you it she comes back from the date it seems like she's surprisingly still into aaron i was a little thrown off by that date

because she essentially grabbed John to kiss him. She seemed A, excited that she was asked about it. She handled it like, hey, immediately, for all the people

on Paradise who are very confused like Kat, of like, I could have talked to him. When should I do this? Eliza did the, immediately,

instead of saying yes to the date, said, can we go talk? Just optics wise, it just looks better. Yes. She was always going to go on the date.

Well, both of those. She didn't ask for his permission. I feel like whenever they had those conversations, it always just kind of like gatored out. And then the next thing they're coming back, they're like, OK, let's go on this date. Yeah. And it's like, it's all for optics. She leaves the conversation with Aaron and grabs John's hand, leaves. Oh, no, that was the craziest part. no. That was the craziest part.

No, that was the craziest part. It wasn't that she, she, she didn't just grab Aaron. She says, Hey babe, can we go talk?

Yeah. The babe is like, babe was absurd to say when you're about to go. Situationships aren't calling each other babe. Yeah. No, that's yeah. No.

So the situation was like, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, babe. No, let's roll. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's Hey babe. So anyways, he's like, I don't want you to go. She was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, babe, no. Let's slow roll.

Yeah. It's hey, babe. So anyways, he's like, I don't want you to go. She's like, well. She's like, babe, come on. Babe. Babe. Babe. Then she goes on the date.

Kind of. She kisses John. That's how I saw it. She leaned in and kind of pulled him in. Had a hot, steamy kiss. Walks back in holding hands goes right back to erin and was like thought about you all day yeah i was kind of surprised by it too so i was like oh she still seems in on erin it's like most of them come back from dates and are not in on the original yeah pairing so how do we look at it is as Eliza is just, you know, making sure in a truncated, you know, very short time that this is her testing her love for Aaron?

Or is it obvious, which we often tell the people who call into our show who are just like, well, what does it mean when, you know, so it's like, yeah, you're an option. Exactly. He or she is seeing if they can do better. It's like, yeah, you're an option. Exactly. He or she is seeing if they can do better. Because to me, it looks like Eliza is clearly, she likes Aaron and she is wondering if John is better. Well, she was so clear about not wanting to get into a love triangle again.

Like when she first came in, she's like, it was so traumatizing last time. I don't want to do it again. But she's essentially. Not essentially. She's literally choosing. Yeah. not even opening the door she's just running through the door she's saying you know what this is boring uh yeah i want to see if john's better than aaron yep it seems like he might have been for a moment and then decided to like say fuck it the only i mean at least to a to what Eliza learned is that if you're going to explore your options,

you do not get time to weigh those options. You have to make a quick and decisive decision, which she, it seems like she's back into Aaron's camp. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that will save her from any real criticism because it seems like everyone's agreed to be open to playing the field yes it does i think i love well yeah i mean you've been there for two days i know it's insane but there's definitely like a unwritten rule of how like and i guess maybe eliza is this like hey

guys this is how you do it i was here last season season. I fucked up. You can actually go on a date. You can even make out with them. Do you just have to over? You kind of have to over communicate. Yeah. Yeah, you really do. I feel like so many of them have seen it play out badly when they didn't have like a conversation with the person they were paired up with. So now the others are like, well, I have to have this conversation more so than I want to.

Sean and Rachel. Ken and Barbie. have this conversation more so than i want to sean and rachel ken and barbie sean looks like a guy whose dad is a sleazy politician who was accused of sexual misconduct he really does what a beautiful way to describe it yeah it's like treasure of his fraternity his dad in fact is a sleazy politician who's been accused of sexual misconduct is he really yeah from where yeah new york new york really does breed some shady politician yeah i think he's been accused of asking for like interns to send him nudes even the rich even the rich yeah damn that might be not totally accurate allegation but he has been accused of something

in that well but there's smoke there's fire i mean he very obviously shot his shot yeah first of all you don't look like you look like shrek prince charming second of all oh he does look like that is not that that is the internet was very quick to point that out i want to be clear that was not my original take in this moment but i think it was very obvious what he was doing with Jess where he shot a shot it didn't work out and then he tried to pretend that he wasn't shooting a shot with Jess and just rejected blamed it on her communication skills

I thought Jess communicated herself wonderfully yeah it's very classic I got turned down and now I'm gonna pretend like it was my choice yeah I got burned I love you as a friend what a great line oh yeah and then honestly i think we have to give jess some credit not easy to be that direct sometimes no nope absolutely not you know and she was like yeah no i mean i

love you as a friend absolutely as a friend yeah and you know sean was like so if i if i'm getting this clear you're open to dating someone else other than blake but not me and she's like you're gonna make me say it we're all caught up yeah like you get it and then not rachel's like literally yelling out loud for i would be offended if sean was on the beach bragging to everyone else how obsessed i am with him yes yes what an l for sean yeah adriel honestly i do rachel lost her mind because sean was saying to make it clear yeah no i'm not that into him yeah yeah well i also think it was an example of Brayden. Like, I really don't think Brayden meant for the takeaway to be like with his conversation with Rachel. I don't think he meant for the central point to be Sean's running his mouth.

I think he meant for it to be, hey, it seems like Sean has this option open, which is why I ask you, are you open? Because I'm interested in you. And then because there was obviously such a big reaction from the initial sean is running his mouth it feels like i i it was a moment where i really empathized with brayden where i was like oh okay i can see it this is an example of you like being in the center of drama when you were very well intentioned and not necessarily trying to be oh i don't even know if he was well intentioned but 100 team brayden when it's brayden versus sean yeah well yeah like to the point where like i think Brayden was trying

to start some shit and I'm glad. Yeah. Interesting. He was coming to Rachel's defense. He was going to her rescue. That's a real Prince Charming from Shrek.

Yeah. Well, actually, no, that guy sucks, but. I love them. Shrek from Shrek. Shrek. You like Brayden and. Shrek from Shrek.

I love Rachel. I do too. I do too. I like them together. Yeah, I'm excited. Yeah. They seem like a great couple. I'm excited yeah they seem like a great couple I'm excited and it was

I feel like with all the like Brayden and Rachel should make out I was very I know that but kind of they want people to say crazier shit so they make it anonymous

but I am curious like who's out there yeah writing this which is do we think that Brayden stuffed that box like a lot of it

I feel like that was Brayden it seemed like something Brayden would say playful brayden also not not him just covered in glitter when he was telling telling rachel about sean yeah he found a new love i was a man very secure with himself say what you want about brayden but he is comfortable with who he is it seems yeah yeah i like brayden. We love Brayden. We love Brayden. Yeah. I think he's great.

Yeah. Yeah. I reached out to the Bachelor producers because I wanted to have Kat on. We were told Kat is unavailable. Now, I don't know if they're making her unavailable or if Kat's made herself unavailable. What could that mean? Usually one of those two. And sometimes the shows.

Well, like if they've made her unavailable, like why would they do that? Because they're trying to silence her. Are you silenced? Are you silenced? Yeah, I don't know if she's being silent or being silenced. Probably being silenced.

Well, let's discuss that because if she's being silenced, it's based off the presumption that there has been some creative liberties imposed and that Kat has tweeted that it didn't come across the way she remembers it.

Okay. And there's editing on every show. Of course. Yeah. And as someone who's, you know, have been on these shows and even Special Forces forces it's like as someone going through it you take everything personally of course yeah you want to see exactly how it played out especially if you remember it better

than it was you know you're like fuck that like yeah yeah at the same time i do think for the most part like they within the confines that they're working with in a limited amount of time, it's not like they're out to get you or they're trying to totally change the story. It's just the story that fits with getting the most impact in the short amount of time, if that makes sense. And I guess that's that point where it's just like, all right, Kat, and we mentioned this last week, the show's edited. Let's give you the benefit of the doubt yeah but like explain to me how regardless and i would listen it would suck if you're cat it would suck to be sitting there amongst all your peers and three polls in a row it's people just behind your back talking right yeah yeah i would upset me. But nevertheless, how she handles her disappointment is nuclear. It is.

Yeah. It is. Yeah. I'm trying my best to like put my, like, be like, where is it edited? Like maybe, maybe she's getting a bad beat, you know? Yeah. But I don't, she's yelling. I know.

I think there's enough moments where it's like, well, this isn't all editing, you know? Yeah. Like, we can see you in your confessionals. Like the fact that the fact that she's think about these confessionals like they happened or you're sitting across from a producer. And they're just like, oh, that was crazy. What do you think? And for her to be screaming at the producer across from her in this fit of rage that she's having. Yeah.

Is this a choice? It is a choice. I just wonder if there's guys out there who have dated Kat who are just like, yeah, I was afraid to come home. Well, I'm sure they'll write a memoir soon. Yeah. Well, let me ask you this as someone who's been there. How easy are those confessionals to hear on like a normal day?

I was shocked. Okay. Because I don't know where they're at. I think some of that was amplified. There was no way. Of course. It was that loud. Yes. But they all, I think some of that was amplified. There was no way it was that loud. But they clearly heard her because they were talking about it. And maybe they did, you know, they might

have, some of, usually the confessionals are in like these private things and they probably still have those because you kind of want privacy. And then there's other ones where it's just like, you always have privacy. So if you're talking at a normal level, you wouldn't be able to hear. but she clearly wasn't talking she was yelling yelling yeah best case scenario i think she was really drunk because

there was that thing at the end where she's like get me another fucking shot so i think and it doesn't excuse it it doesn't excuse it but i think that's like if we're giving her maximum benefit of the doubt she's sloshed people just read some stuff that she found to be very mean and like she doesn't she doesn't strike me as someone who had like a lot of experience with rejection. She is so condescending and so mean to everyone. Like if you say something

to Kat she disagrees with you're the dumbest fucking idiot ever in the world. You're stupid and you should die. That's how that is the takeaway. And if Kat was sitting here she'd be like period and she's not this is why she said no it's definitely her being like I'm not coming on this another man to just gaslight me I don't do this shit yeah when she was on The Bachelor I was

versus Brooklyn I was there I was team Kat I yeah when it comes to being on The Bachelor I'm sorry I just don't I don't think anyone going for the person and making time for themselves is doing something wrong. And I just think everyone else should either like grow a pair or shut the fuck up. It's generally how I see it. So when Kat made time for herself, I was like, okay, well, you know, if she rubbed someone the wrong way, they have, but I don't have a problem with it. And most of the people disagree with me and i agree with brooke brooklyn and kat very you know she's like dm me and she's like thanks thanks for having my back i was like no problem i also said to her well just in the future i wouldn't listen to anyone's opinion including mine because chances are i'm gonna say something

in the future that you don't like and i don't know who you are yeah i've never met you this i'm just commenting on what we do on TV. Right. I didn't think that year later I would be saying like, she's really terrified to come home to her. Right. But I'm, I'm just,

again, I'm just watching what I'm watching. I'm commenting what I'm seeing on TV. And she is mean when she's fighting with people. She has that look where it's like, I want to hurt you. I want to hurt your feelings. I want you to feel bad. It's the hurt people, hurt people thing.

Yeah. And she looks like the epitome of that. And for being a little hurt. She does have that attitude of like. I want to know. I want to ask her. Yeah, I bet Kat's love flies first class. I'm so bummed because she seems so sweet and nice.

And I wanted to... That island air. Yeah. No. Don't you remember, Nick? The benefit of the island air. Yeah, island air makes everyone crazy. She was really worried about Sam.

I was messing with her. Yeah. She's an empath. Absolutely. She's like, I'm going to also be full of shit. Yeah, I'll be full of shit today. And the worst one is the comment that said, like, don't. It was like a warning to Jess.

What? It was like, basically, Jess, don't trust Kat. Oh, in the box. Well, that is interesting because I think there's some validity to that. Well, I think a friend. Anything, though, wouldn't it be Kat not trusting Jess because I think Jess very respectfully when Tanner came to the beach was interested he didn't pick her for a date she backed down she's been with Blake she's been like kicking it pretty low-key but then from

the way I think that was the real thing that was so cringe about the way Kat responded is I was like damn like now Tanner is going to see your true colors and he has such a small sample size of the way you behave and some of it's very bad. So I could totally see Jess kind of like maybe seeing if her and Tanner had some chemistry there. Kat's claim is this is all edited and she handled things appropriately. It's not her fault that Brayden is basically not listening is essentially what she's saying. And again, if if we're trying to give Kat the benefit of the doubt, then how do we explain one? You can't edit in Kat sucking brayden's face right uh with her arms just draped around him

yeah you can't edit that and you can't edit everyone else having the same story that's true and that story is cat played brayden and and just on a dime flipped. And then you add to the fact that Kat and her conversations with people, it's just like she has this in her head how it played out. Right. Which is how she, you know. Yeah. It's like Kat thinks she's in this dilemma.

And then she seems to decide for herself the amount of energy it deserves and she gives that amount of energy and if people disagree with it everyone else is a fucking idiot yeah and it seems like that's what's going on and then Kat's just blaming the she's everyone's an idiot the producers are an idiot people in post are an idiot Brayden's an idiot the pilot that got them to the island is an idiot. The poop boyfriend is an idiot. Poop boyfriend. I was just thinking, I was like, God help.

Like, imagine having to be a flight attendant who tells Kat, like, your ticket actually doesn't include a carryout, like an overhead bin space. Like, imagine having to be that flight attendant to Kat. How there's not a viral video of Kat losing her shit on an airplane. I have no idea. Those are my favorite, to be honest. I love those. There's so many of them. Because you know that, like, to be

fair, it's like travel brings people to their wit's end. You are at your absolute worst when you travel. Yeah. Most wildcard energy. Especially on Air Canada. Oh, yeah. We had a... Has Air Canada done you dirty? Yeah. Literally just last week. This week. We were in Vancouver. They have these, you know how they have the carry-on

size and it has to fit into their little bin? Well, their measurements are bigger than the bin. The bin is one foot by zero feet. Yeah. So they never fit. They never fit in the bin and they make you check your bags. And then we had to sit on the tarmac for two hours. Oh.

Yeah. And then everyone was like, why did you fly Air Canada? They're the worst. And it's like, well, could you have told us that? How would we know? We're not Canadian. Yeah. They're all the fly Air Canada they're the worst and I was like well could you have told us that how would we know we're not Canadian they're all the worst they are all the worst and usually the ones that have like a country's name in them are pretty good

because they're like they're trying to represent their country you know like British Airways of the like European like really good reputable I've only flown Air Canada once it was fine were you going to Canada or from Canada I was returning home. I'm from Toronto.

Oh, okay. It was one of our happy couple weekends. Yeah, back in the day. When you were the happiest of couples. Sounds happy. Happy-ish couple. Miserable couple weekend. We weren't meant to be. With a roll of the tongue as well.

Yeah. Cat. Yeah. I don't... It's so bad that i i want to it's more fun trying to figure out how i could give her the benefit of the doubt yeah yeah you really have to do some math i don't think i can she's a great villain she really is she's a fun villain yeah and i'm really wondering what she because did she put out anything after last thursday because after the the week before she she had a very condescending tweet about the whole thing, where she literally accused Brayden of gaslighting her.

Interesting. Just like, you're accusing this guy of emotional abuse. Yeah. I don't know if that means anything to you. Which people really should not be throwing around. No. Actual gaslighting is an actual thing. Yeah.

It is abusive it is it's terrible for people being gaslit yeah in a very toxic and emotionally abusive relationship yep not seeing eye to eye about like right who said they would do what when yeah yeah uh is not the same nope um but according to kat that but she, or has she gone quiet? I'm not seeing anything. Are you seeing anything? No. That she's.

Okay, so maybe she's gone quiet. She's been silent. Maybe she, one of the two. Well, but the thing is, like,

it's, if she were to come on or any, any one show and blame the edit, I would, I would have some follow-up questions. Yeah.

I really want to see her on the show now. On this show. Yeah, on your show. Like, I want to... You come from a perspective of, like, actually being able to... Yeah, I know it's like to be upset at the edit. Yeah, yeah.

Like, editing usually, for example, editing... What was really interesting, when they made me The Bachelor, when I was in Paradise, that was my best time on the show, when was really interesting, when they made me The Bachelor. Yeah. When I was in Paradise. That was my best time on the show. Yeah. When I enjoy it.

It's when I saw myself the most. And for whatever reason, they were nice enough to send me the, because I think they were going to make me The Bachelor, so they sent me the screeners towards the end, which is not typical for people on the show. And once they announced the bachelor i saw them change the edit it was just really interesting because it's like i knew there was an edit i've been on the downside of the edit you know yeah and they changed it because well the new version made me look better but the new version was accurate would you say otherwise i

mean i was a real dick i feel like i would it was basically what happened is they they asked me to go basically tell the twins something they're like can you just relay we need to like get the ball rolling so to speak uh-huh you know so i was like hey this happened and so i went down and talked to my friend the twin in the original edit it made it seem like i was starting up stirring up drama yeah and that was not how it went i was literally doing them a fucking favor um yeah you are one of the like cast members fresh in my mind who had like a real story arc from like when you were first on the bachelorette then in paradise they can do so because but that even just like there was a moment where they showed me like looking over like this you know which probably happened three days before

yeah but it looked like i was making sure my plan was going as planned. None of that happened. And it was just kind of interesting to be like, wow, this really does happen. And because I was the bachelor, and honestly, it wasn't a big deal. It was them changing it was, even the bad version wasn't that bad. It was just a small change. the bad version wasn't that bad. Yeah.

You know, it was just a small change. And to me, that meant to me, that was more meaningful just because it showed that they care about the small things. Yeah. You know, it wasn't like some,

it didn't change everything. It was just a small wrinkle that they felt was important enough for their next bachelor. Interesting. As opposed to, you know, not. And so I guess when my and that reminded me of that's when i bring it up the brayden telling rachel it reminded me of that

where it was like who knows how that conversation started i think some people might be watching and go brayden's kind of like being shady and like kind of like stirring the pot or maybe it didn't go down that way. Those are things that are edited. And that's my point is like, despite there being an edit, the show isn't fundamentally changing what's happening. They're just putting in these little wrinkles here and there. So I see both sides. But with Kat, I don't know how you can sit there and that whole behavior act like yeah you're

in the wrong and everything that we're seeing that you don't like about yourself is somehow someone else's fault right yeah like it that doesn't track well they can't whatever like you say it like you're there yelling in that like they can't edit that like they can't change what you're saying in that you know the confessional or whatever so it's just kind of like things like that change the context of it though or like when it was said yeah i just like the way that like yelling and stuff like yeah that right exactly like you're doing that yourself yeah they can make things seem out of context yeah and out of touch and maybe cat had a valid reason to be upset right but i still don't feel like yeah she's mean she's she's mean i don't like watching it back i think there's so there was like some ptsd of past relationships

i've been in where i just like i've dated that person yeah and it was hell yeah and i remember having those relationships end and have and like pretending to be sad just so like i still like but like truly feeling like freed freed yeah literally freed you know yeah that is one thing dating shows will give you is like a glimpse into your past relationships sometimes like oh i've been there and that was awful like that's one thing they give us yeah i really do because when she met when she's mad she cuts deep so deep uh what else have we have a card or anything else i think maybe the last thing to hit would be like john henry and olivia and peter that situation the massage right yes she did that i really like olivia yeah she's great what are some of your your favorite night one people who ended up

popping grocery store joe is like kind of classic grocery store joe who doesn't love grocery store joe you know an institution but there are a handful of like night one people who like like wow they really pretty good tv you know yeah i mean you have to have a talent i feel like to like carry that yeah well i feel like olivia is like kind of the narrator of the season a little bit yeah you know that yeah she's important for that yeah she's fun funny she is fun i like her i do too at first i wasn't sure because i haven't seen her before this at first i was like okay i'm not sure how i feel about her now i'm like okay she's fun she's having fun she adds like a nice little element of like not crazy drama but like good commentary yeah so i like her although there was that i mean it was kind of a bad luck where

all of a sudden like now that olivia has someone she likes she's cool with kylie all of a sudden yeah kylie's no longer her arch nemesis only because now she has someone it's like that's a bad look yeah it's transparent but also relatable i think yeah yeah a little bit i really i don't get why she's still entertaining peter i'm like go to john henry dear god yeah do we love john henry yeah do you think he's actually awkward or i think it's a stick or do you think it's his thing when he was like shaking pulling the envelope out that was so endearing i I found that to be really true. But do we believe it? Oh my god. That's a level of calculating.

Yeah, that would be wild. I don't mean, it can be both authentic and he can be self-aware. Enough to lean in. To lean in. Yeah, it's a little bit of that. He must know he's attractive looking. He's been told before. He's on a television show and he can still get nervous. He's been told before.

He's on a television show. And he can still get nervous. It's like maybe he just doesn't have game. I see him leaning into that. I think that's fair. And the best thing he's learned is to not pretend to be. Because that's the thing. It's just like, if you're going to be an awkward, nervous guy, just embrace that as opposed to trying to be cool and suave and just say a bunch of weird

fucking things which is there's a lot of that's that is that is a lot of guys in the bash half the men in the bachelor are you know guys who are good looking uh-huh and then you open they're opening their mouths and you're just like holy shit yeah you know yeah yeah it's pretty rare i think to have to be be super attractive and also endearing and have a great personality and sense of humor. It's weird that everyone in this room is that. I know. It is so crazy.

It's rare that we're... We like to think we're rare. What a special bond. I was really happy for Blake this episode. For him to... When Sean was making his move on Jess yeah Blake Blake to confidently say you know he can try but I don't think he's gonna have much luck I feel like that was a first for Blake to like really exude that much confidence when it came to someone he's in

a relationship with through the ringer except for the truth is that again she is open yes that's true just not with Sean just not to Sean yeah but it was nice to see Blake be able to express some confidence and I am excited for Katie

to come though and see the dynamic with her and Blake and just see how that plays out what are you excited just to I just want to see

the dynamic I kind of like when things are shaken up a little bit like that you know and it's not me but it will be so like played up

well of course she'll be there to Hannah Day card. If they do the whole fucking thing, they're the same as Hannah Brown. Wait, she's not there to stay? No. Are you sure? Katie? Yeah. Is she with somebody? I don't know. I don't think she is. Because when I watched it, it made it seem like she was, like, coming to stay. Have you not seen

this show? Listen, you know, a girl can dream. Like, when Hannah came, it was like, she doesn't. If Katie were coming onto the beach, I would be super. Well, that's what I thought. Interesting. I'm sorry I'm just a dumb piece of shit, Nick, who's never seen reality TV. You sound like Pat.

All right, calm down, Pat. Quit gaslighting me, Nick. Okay, Kat. No, but I don't know. Did no one else get that vibe that she was going to stay? Is that just me? Am I just gullible? Am I falling for it?

She's on another show. I doubt she'd be allowed to be on two at the same time. She's on FBoy Island? Like as a contestant? She's the lead. I didn't know that. I'm like so bummed now that Katie's not just going to be on the beach. That would have been good.

It would have been so good. Because when Hannah came, I was like, this is obviously bullshit. Oh, so it's beneath Hannah, but not beneath Katie? No. Hannah famously got engaged. But I also just like you could tell that she wasn't there to date. Like, even if you didn't know any of that. Like it was very obvious.

Yeah. It seems like Katie's going to lead them in like a stand up date. So I'm looking forward to that. Oh, what do you mean? Because it's like Katie's because there's a little preview where Rachel is on stage. I mean, like Katie, now I'm not the most like hated bachelorette in paradise or says something like that. Yeah. So that's true.

That's a that's a they did a Katie a solid. I mean, Katie is trying to be a stand. I mean, she's being a stand up comedian and she's doing the thing, doing the thing. And for the show to have her not only come down, it must have been how she negotiated her coming down. It was like, well, let me lead a stand-up comedy date. That's fair. They're like, Hannah, why don't you weirdly interrogate people by a bonfire?

Yeah. We should go on the show and lead an improv date. Oh, my God. Talk about something that'll tick off. In my dream of dreams. Yes, and. They would cancel that show immediately. Immediately. That's when Paradise is over,

everyone. We can't top it. Okay. Is that about does it? I have a question for you though. Can you talk about your time on the film Christmas Cruise? Sure. I haven't seen it. But you were in it.

I've seen the clip one of the Christmas movies so I watch Christmas movies with my mom every year starring Vivica Fox Vivica Fox yeah I don't know anybody else in it

Nick Viall yeah you too Kristoff has since passed away oh the guy right did that get filmed

in a hotel it got filmed in this really old probably mansion in Silver Lake that had a basement designed as a cruise ship. Stop.

Whoa. There was a scene on the... Hollywood magic. Then we went for one scene to the... What's the boat?

The Mother Mary... Queen Elizabeth or Queen Mary? There was a scene there, but not all the boat scenes. One was... There was a house that had like a... that looked like a boat

why didn't you watch it? it was unnecessary I can't believe you're not watching this movie I feel like there could be some ViFi Plus content this holiday season as we watch

it's still it's still on like every year it's like in the movie Christmas movie lineup that people how have I not seen it?

I love a Christmas movie have you I've watched it a couple of times. You've watched it a couple times? Oh yeah, I watch, no offense, but I watch trash Christmas movies every year. Like every day I'm watching a different... What about that particular movie

drew you in? Is it good? I love Cruises. It's not the best. It's not the worst. I've seen way worse. You've seen worse. How was Nick? Nick was great. I will say... The role is so confusing because you're like the first officer but you have towels yeah because you were like she's like i need another room and you're like i can't work on the cruise nothing is beneath me i you know like no job too small but then because she had to talk to the love interest i had to get out of the way you had to get out of the way you weren't the love interest no okay yeah i am on like the movie poster though it was are you that's me and vivica

and you look like you're in a men's warehouse ad they just took it from a photo shoot of some other this is low budge this is low budget the thing with these movies is my mom is always so fascinated with hollywood stuff and like we'll watch movies i'll be like they don't even go into the house you know they're not paying for this house but for the cruise ship I was like I love to say that this doesn't look like a cruise ship it felt like you guys were in like a basement a Hamilton

we were in a basement yeah since we're interviewing Nick oh my god you are on the wow look at that smirk that's just me having a good agent that is you having a good agent damn he you having a good agent Yeah Damn They're like yeah He'll be in your movie

But you gotta put him on the poster Yeah I had to wait like half an hour Before you came on the screen Oh I had two Some very small scenes Yeah But you killed him At first

I wasn't gonna be Bob The hotel cruise manager I was just The hotel cruise manager My agent They're like Well you gotta give him a name

He needs a name Get him on the poster Wow Fine We'll give you a name We'll needs a name. They're like, fine, we'll give you a name. We'll call you Bob. Well, you nailed it. It's a delight to watch.

Amazing. Alright, well, what an episode. This is so fun. So much fun. Ladies, please let my audience know where they can find you. Listen to your stuff. Yeah, we're on all podcast platforms. Even the Rich is our weekly podcast. Comes out on Tuesdays. We have a daily podcast, Rich and Daily, also on all podcast platforms even the rich is our weekly podcast comes out on tuesdays we have a daily podcast rich and daily also on all the platforms that comes out monday

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one on Britney Spears? We did one on Britney Spears before she was out of the conservatorship. What about Justin Timberlake? We have not. We haven't. We should.

We should do a whole NSYNC season, really. That'd be fun. I think the Justin one might be timely. Yeah, I think it might. Does he have like a... They have to have like a book or something we can like actually research from.

That's where it gets tough, you know. But. I believe in you too. Thank you so much. We'll find a way. Thank you. Yeah. Well, thanks for listening, guys.

We are back this Thursday with the one and only Black Chyna, also known as Angela White here on the Vile Files. Really good episode. We were... I was nervous. Also from Special Forces. You were? Very nervous.

Yeah, we were... I was nervous. To have her on the show or to meet her in general? Oh, okay. Not meet... Like, I thought she was very... I was... We got along, her and I.

Yeah. And I was like... Most of my time with Angela was helping her out, you know, zipping over her coat. Yeah. Does she go by Angela? Now she does, I think. I only called her Angela on the show. Okay you know, zipping over her coat. Does she go by Angela? Now she does. I only called her Angela on the show. Okay.

She asked me to call her Angela. I'm here to respect anyone. No, totally. But on the show, I wasn't sure, but she was like, hey, Black China is always going to be the brand. Right. You know, which, cause I was like, yeah, like, how do you do that? You know, you've been known as Black China forever.

And she's like, hey, listen, it's cool. I just, I'm Angela Angela but she's not running away from her name so to speak but anyways it was a great interview I didn't know what to expect

and I was generally not she can be intimidating oh yeah I get that but it was a great interview and we have her with us

on Thursday so yeah she was very generous nice yeah she seems like she's about some stuff okay yeah I didn't know what to expect but she was very generous yeah she seems like she's about some stuff

yeah I didn't know what to expect but she was wonderful and she is here with us on this episode of Going Deeper this Thursday don't forget sending your questions at asknickatthevilefiles.com for all things Ask Nick ooh an update classic you know you love your updates so be sure to check that out

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