The Viall Files - E661 Reality Recap - Britney’s Memoir, Leo’s Boxers, Golden Bachelor and BIP with Bryan The Diamond

Episode Date: October 31, 2023

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you're crazy what's going on everybody welcome back to another episode of the vile files reality recap edition i'm your host nick joined by the household. Everyone's here. Happy Halloween. No, no, we're just dressed like this for fun. And we're just wishing you a happy Halloween. The household dressed up. I walked into the office and then I thought, did we hire someone new? Literally thought that. I was kind of confused because we did a while back. We've already introduced you to justin so we got podcast nick we got special forces nick we got dancing with the stars nick we got bachelor nick and then

we have book cover nick yeah derrick win is how did you get book cover nick derrick short straw are you not proud of your work i think that's the highest achievement well no personally yes i just from the costume standpoint it took the most to figure out. He just had to go and get a heart balloon. I had to go to Party City and I went to Burbank and they said that they had banned helium. So they could only fill it with air. They banned? Yeah.

In Burbank, yeah. Just in Burbank? Yeah, they were like super sad about it. They're like, yeah, they banned us. I don't know what we're going to do. Oh, no. Devastating. I wonder what happened that causes you to ban helium.

Also, it's Party City. No, right. Like, what are you filling up the balloons with? Like, are you having some, did you hire someone to like blow them up? Yeah.

Do you have someone who can like tap them out? No, right. Literally, like you have someone that has like lungs of steel that are like, like the whole time there. Like, I don't get it.

No. That voice you're hearing is the one and only Brian the Diamond who's here. Hello. It's nice to meet you guys. How are you? Talk all things reality recap with us and pop culture.

Brian, how you doing? I'm good. I'm good. I'm literally freezing alive, but I'm good. You're freezing alive? You're the first person in the studio to say that. Yeah, if you touch my fingers, like I'm actually freezing. To be fair though, I'm really used to like the Florida heat and like it was a little

windy. I was literally, we, Nellie, we're just in Florida just in florida this weekend yeah no it is really windy outside how's your iron um i don't know okay i mean like i honestly i'm not even gonna lie i really don't know like i ate a salad the other day for like the first time in like two weeks i felt so skinny and healthy but like i don't know i love that i love that for you yeah now we're just in Florida to support Tyler and his foundation for his mom lovely yeah Tyler throws a good

party it was I was expecting kind of a little rinky-dink we didn't really know what to expect I mean fuck if I were throwing a foundation it wouldn't be

impressive but cool part of Florida Jupiter yeah oh my god I've never been yeah it's cute Tyler it's a great foundation for his mom there they're giving out like full scholarships to some very wonderful and deserving people and Oh my God, I've never been. Yeah. That's cute. Tyler, it's a great foundation for his mom.

They're giving out like full scholarships to some very wonderful and deserving people. Wow. I think this is their second now, is it? Mm-hmm. Right, this is their second gala. Really impressive. JoJo went, I went. Jason Tardik was there.

Got to see Jason. Seems to be doing well. Matt James is also there. Matt James is there. Rachel. Oh my gosh. It was a lovely friend from just in the office. What a lovely couple Matt and Rachel are. First time meeting Rachel.

Oh yeah. Very sweet. Matt's still very tall. Lots of fun. Was his mom there? Remember Tyler wanted to kind of swoop in on the mom? Mom's not there. She was not there. Still recovering from the heartbreak of Gary. Probably.

But yeah, Rachel and Matt going strong. Fun group. Yeah. We had a good time. You know what else happened this weekend?

Taylor Swift re-released 1989. Oh my God, I saw that. Oh my God, I saw that. I saw that. She dragged Harry Styles

through the mud in the vault songs. She was too busy doing that not supporting Jason Kelsey, who lost. Travis Kelsey. Travis Kelsey, sorry. Jason.

Travis. Too many Kelsies. I know. Yeah, Travis lost to Denver. Because she wasn't there. Because she wasn't there. Yeah. Do you think there's any chance that Travis was like, I'm just going to deliberately do worse to make sure that she comes to every game going forward?

Really guilt Taylor into the relationship. No. No. No, I don't think so. You wouldn't do that. I just think what we were saying last week is that he's so motivated by his crush doing well in front of his crush

that he's probably like, what's the point? What's the point of living with my crushes in here? It's snow and it's cold and Taylor's not here to keep me warm. It was snowing there. We saw him taking a video of himself. He was at a party or something and was snowing there. We saw him taking a video of himself. He was at a party or something.

A love story was playing. He was taking a video of himself singing along to it. And people thought that it looked like Taylor was his lock screen. That's huge. Okay. And that's a question. How soon can you make someone your lock screen? It seems too soon.

Into dating. Well, Natalie took it upon herself to. Took it upon myself. But you thought of what time, what was the appropriate time for, because you put your,

yourself on my lock screen. Did I? I thought you did that. At first, like, it was a, it was a gentle suggest on your part.

Wait, do you, I'm having zero recollection. Do you mean like the, the appropriate amount of time to put like someone on your phone or you take

someone else's phone and put them on your lock screen? Well, I think either way, like ending up on the lock screen, regardless of whether it is your own action. Yeah, and I had been living together for quite some time. It was a long past two and I was coming from a factory setting screen.

What? Yeah, I'm a psycho. Yeah, that's unhinged. Why is it unhinged? You have just the normal Apple one? If it weren't for Natalie, I'd probably still have those raindrops. That's crazy. I have different pictures of myself.

Well. That was his other option, but he did go. He ended up going with the raindrops. No, right. That's crazy. That's crazy.'s crazy no yeah i just have like different pictures of myself for like my mood so like when i'm at the beach like

i have like a beach pic and then like when i'm here what's my now so wait if you're like wake up and you're feeling a little sad you'll be like sad brian and then put him on a screen i don't really have sad brian i'll just pick like my worst day like i have like a like so today like i was coming here so like body in an uber you know but no like when I'm having like a sad day I usually just pick a picture like with like a like fall kind of like backdrop in the back like the first time I went to Portland a little more stormy yeah like stormy sad when I'm having like a really like cunty day it's like oh my god like put me in Miami like put me at the beach put me in the water

I'm a fish I'm swimming you know I'm with the fish I'm swimming no literally I'm surprised like I feel like Jeff

or Steve lock screen candidates Jeff's been on there for sure Jeff was there and then I felt okay I agree because my boyfriend

changed his lock screen from me to a dog and I was like it's not even your dog does it feel like a demotion yeah I was pissed yeah who's dog it's his roommate's dog and I was like, it's not even your dog. Did it feel like a demotion? Yeah, I was pissed. Whose dog?

It's his roommate's dog. Whoa. No, no, no. It's a perfect dog. Roger's perfect. So I understand. And he's wearing these cute little shoes. Yeah, it's still...

Can you have at least one? Could you have a home screen? I couldn't imagine going from Natalie to my friend's kid. Who lives with you, you though regardless of the cute little shoes your friend's live-in kid

I guess yeah babe that's a little insane I'm sorry I would feel so like I would literally look at it I'd be like uh

what like the dog not even your dog so what else is yeah it's not great but the one before was like a really close-up photo of my face that he took.

Oh, that's even better. So I feel like it was kind of a, I was like, ah, when we cycle back, I'll do better. So is the lock screen a cute picture or a- It's a sexy picture. Oh, wow. It's giving sports illustrated. Oh my God. No, it's cute.

It's to the point where like, it is- It looks so aesthetic. It looks very picturesque. It's my fiance, but I feel almost like on a plane, the point where like, it is. It looks so aesthetic. It looks very pink. It's my fiance, but I feel almost like on a plane, a little, a little, like, a little pervy for it.

Also because I'm pregnant now. So it's like, who the fuck is that bitch on your screen? You know, it's like, that's obviously not me right now. It doesn't have her face. It's just like a artsy.

It doesn't have her face? No, it's very Pinterest. It's literally so Pinterest. I did not do that. Put it in black and white Tumblr. No, black and white Tumblr. No, but it's so Pinterest. It's literally so Pinterest. I did not do that. Put it in black and white Tumblr. No, black and white Tumblr. No, but it's so Pinterest.

Like that picture is so perfect. It's literally a Pinterest picture. Like if you look at it, it's very like aesthetic, the top and then little stomach. Yeah, but also like I don't, I've heard to update it. I've been meaning it to put it,

meaning to put our engagement photos up there. Oh, like pictures of both of you? That's so cute. Yeah, us in love. Natalie, are you taking a ton of pictures of your belly to document the growth? I'm so mad at myself because we, I forced,

I stole the Polaroid from here, the Polaroid camera from here, right? I'm so sorry. Confession. Confession, I stole it. And then, I don't know, I just couldn't ever figure out if I was like showing or not. And then I felt like I looked the same and then I would forget. So you couldn't ever figure out if I was like showing or not and then I felt like I looked the same and then I would forget so you're supposed to start at like eight weeks

taking these pictures and I just started like I think I have four we have a couple early ones maybe don't know where they are then but I have not and it's kind of sad because now I feel like I'm so massive that it's, they're just, it's all the same now, you know, it's not like a growing, it's like just big.

I think you look great. I think you look great too. I don't think you're giving massive. Thanks. We'll see. No, right. We'll see.

Um, Matthew Perry. Oh my God. A moment of silence. That was really fucking crazy. Truly. It was really crazy. Like I literally was, i was in a meeting on

zoom and then i get off and i like take a little break on my tiktok and i was like shut the fuck up i was like actually shut the fuck up that's crazy now that we're having a like let's do something different and we had a little date night where we sat at the bar together it was boa steakhouse and we saw matthew perry waiting for a table with some friends last time i saw matt that's sad so sad that was sad i just saw that they are um deferring the way he died i guess they're gonna like do a bigger investigation on how and they're not just gonna release i know they said drowning but i think they're like okay i think it's only a heart attack maybe we're gonna yeah so that's the thing like it was there were think it sounded like he had a heart attack, maybe. We're going to. Yeah. So that's the thing. There were so many different takes.

Some people said drowning. Some people said heart attack. And then a lot of other people were saying a bunch of other stuff. And I was just like, I just need to know what effect. Because 54, it wasn't even. Yeah. Yeah. It's weird.

Because I was listening to a different podcast that was talking about cause of death. And how it's like you have this fascination where you're like, you really want to know. But it's so impolite and rude to ask just because people are grieving and you don't want to like press them for more details. But I do think especially with like speculation, like celebrity deaths, it would be kind of in a perfect world you would know and have the information so that way like you wouldn't have to feel like gossipy about something so serious. Do you think we should stop waiting to people tragically die before we show them a little bit more grace? Because like a year ago when Matthew wrote his memoir, we were not kind to that man.

We were, the internet was pretty mean. And he said some interesting things in his book. We were very harsh. And then now when Matthew died, everyone's just like, oh, what a gentle soul. He made us laugh. What a peaceful man. But like a year ago we were shredding this guy. And by we, I mean the internet. And it's just like, now that he's's dead we're all saying the loveliest of things about him but a year ago it was everyone had a joke it's true that's how it is i mean i feel like this is not necessarily where the internet was going i feel like you could make the case for saying like if you someone is alive there is maybe more of a hope for accountability so criticism is productive in the sense that it might lead to i don't think that the internet is trying to be productive in

the way that they yeah that's the thing is i don't think internet's trying to be productive when it comes to accountability i think they're just being mean yeah but i think in terms of when someone passes away it's like obviously there is no future recourse for accountability so there's no point in saying anything negative might as well just like focus on the many positives and especially for all the people mourning yeah be gentle certainly tragic yeah gone too soon only 54 like you said brian i i didn't look into the memoir thing but i know that the internet is notorious for like a bunch of people that don't hold themselves accountable holding everyone else on the internet accountable yeah I don't know what happened in his memoir that people were ripping him to shreds for I never read it um that's not what I view him as I've never like obviously like I never had an

issue with him I've also never met him I thought he was a great actor but the thing that the internet is notoriously known for is it's like when you post on the internet like you cannot take seriously like what people are commenting about and what people are talking about just because at the end of the day it's like someone can even grab a clip from like your podcast and make you seem like the evilest worst person in the world but when i walked in here no i know you guys were all nice and you guys all treated me like really kind and it was whatever but i think just in general as a whole like the internet like because you were saying like criticism i think the social media as a whole should really work on the word criticism and just being a dick. Like you're like,

you can critique people, you can hold people accountable, but you should not take it upon yourself to try to tear people down because you don't agree with one thing or something. Cause if a camera was on you 24 7 i bet you if you were in that spotlight it would be crazy like you would not you would not have the same exact input you would be like oh my god why do they think that but it's like you're so easy to sit on certain accounts like tea rooms right and you're gonna be like oh my god yeah and it's like girl you're on your lunch break like what is like why are you dragging this bitch like stop like it's it's not that serious like it really isn't like just be nice internet can be can be mean did you guys tell people when you found out about matthew perry because i felt

like it was like a really like a huge celebrity death like the kind of one that like really shakes you where you're like you're on a plane so i showed natalie and wow you could have broken the news to the whole yeah well last time truly and time, truly. And I've said this before. Last time I tried to do that, I was in a movie theater and it was, was like 15 years ago. And I thought Adam Sandler had died and I was telling everyone in the movie theater and it was a fucking hoax.

So never again. What was the movie? I don't know. This is a long time ago. This is like 15 years ago. I was like, fuck Adam Sandler died. Why are we on your phone in the movie theater? Great question. It was before long time ago. This was like 15 years ago. I was like, fuck, Adam Sandler died? Why were you on your phone in the movie theater?

Great question, Natalie. It was before the movie started. Sure, it was. The movie was not going on. In the middle of Nicole Kidman's speech. Speaking of memoirs. We listened to Britney's on the plane. Yeah.

Wow. It's like, honestly, so sad. Like the stuff that she's been through in her life is it it's really the fact that one person has been through all of that is absolutely insane and even if it's like quarter true there's so i mean i believe all of it yeah i was like oh my god the way i just looked at you i was like what do you mean a quarter true i believe the whole like uh sure i mean it's just it's 20 years of one person's story i just you, you know. I just think it like, it makes a lot of sense. I don't like the way that she was treated.

I loved Britney growing up. And like, I think when you look at Britney from the beginning of her career to now, like you have to like, obviously you're going to believe everything she's been through because it's actually, it's literally insanity. It's insanity. The fact that one human being has been through because it's actually, it's literally insanity. It's insanity. The fact that one human being has been through so much and got treated the way

they did. And this human being is Britney fucking Spears. Like the same Britney, like pop body that like, what? Like, this is what you were going through. Like before your performances,

girl, like that's insane. Like that's literally fucking insane. What was the craziest thing you, cause you, you read, you finished it, essentially. Not all the way, but... I got like halfway through.

I mean, all of it. I think it's really crazy that everyone is shitting on Justin Timberlake right now and everyone's like mad at him for the stuff that he did. Now he did do some kind of shitty stuff in his early 20s, for sure. He was a douchebag to Britney Spears as a 20-year-old. For sure. But I think Kevin... What's his name? Kevin Federline? some kind of shitty stuff in his early 20s for sure douchebag to britney spears yeah 20 year old

for sure but i think kevin what's his name kevin setterline is a fucking devil i think he's the worst like the stuff that she said about him the way he would hold her kids the youngest being five months old and took them from her and was like you cannot see them like if you want to see okay fine come to the house she'd come to the house. He'd be like, nevermind. Paparazzi would be there. She'd obviously be upset. They'd be taking these photos of her.

I mean, so sad. It's so sad, the stuff that he did. It seemed like my biggest takeaway of reading her book is that like, regardless of whether Brittany had, you know, some mental health crises here or there, a bad day, and she talks about those some of the reasons why of being pushed but like everyone in her circle all these men in her circle weaponized all these moments and just yeah used her mental health struggle against her every step of the way

to entrap her and control her and instead of trying to offer her help or get her guidance, they just use that as a way to steal from her. It's so sad. And her dad, she said one part in the conservatorship, if she wanted to date, if any guy wanted to date her, the security team and her father would like do a background check. And then they would go to this man and tell him all of Brittany's sexual history before even a first date. They would be like, well, this is how many people she's had sex with,

and this is how many kids she's had, and this is how many UTIs or yeast infections. They would go through her medical history and her sexual history and give it to this person and be like, do you still want to go on a date with her? What?

Criminal. So fucked up. It's so fucked up. Like as a means of deter on a date with her? What? Criminal. So fucked up. It's so fucked up. Like as a means of like deterring them from dating her. Sounds like it. Just a way to control, continue to control her life. They bugged her house. They were reading her texts.

Her dad. Yeah, that. Oh my God. That father. That father. Oh my fucking gosh. Like that, that is preposterous. That is so and that just goes to show you what people will do to obtain money like that literally goes to show you what people will do to

obtain control and money it is so fucking sick like that is stuff that you don't like even tell someone that you've been with until you feel comfortable and you're just like, what the fuck is wrong with you? No, like literally what's wrong with you? Like why? What? Like, could you imagine like giving someone a rundown of your whole entire fucking life? And you're like, for example, you're 30 years old and someone goes and gives a whole rundown of your whole entire fucking life to someone that you haven't even been on a first date

with. Like what? No, you're supposed to figure this out about me like you're supposed to we're gonna go out you're gonna see my charm you're gonna see like the type of person i am and yeah i have a past everyone has a past but like what a new man coming into her life as far as her father and these other people are concerned would just be a threat a threat a distraction someone who might get in her ear someone who might see how fucked he is and so and would be like um yeah i don't think that's okay what was the stuff that uh jamie lynn's

that she said about jamie lynn i thought that was fairly this was like kind of recently this you know because the conservatorship lasted 13 years i believe 13 15 maybe not sure a really long time but in like 2019 she reached out to Jamie Lynn. I mean, she would constantly be like, y'all know I'm not crazy. Why are y'all doing this? And she went to Jamie Lynn and she was like, please help me. You've got to help me get out of this. And Jamie Lynn said, stop fighting it, Brittany. Just stop fighting it. Just let it happen. That sounds so evil. And her mom, she's like, mom mom you know i'm not crazy she's

like i don't know honey i don't know and then they would go to the to dustin the house that britney bought that they bought with britney's money and then send her to a mental institution and say like you're crazy you've been doing we found we found drugs in your purse she's like no there's no drugs in my purse like you have to go to a rehab facility oh my god it's so fucked up so like of course she's the way she is now how are you not like that started at fuck like so young her whole entire family apparently and i'm saying apparently because the way that she says it and obviously everyone has their own opinion obviously i believe britney but how fucked is it that your whole entire family, your mother telling you, I don't know. Bitch, are you dead ass?

I don't know. Like, what are you getting out of this? The sister thing. They're all getting the money. They're all getting. Let me keep my mouth shut about that sister because that's fucking ridiculous. You're not here to keep your mouth shut, Ryan. I'm just, I don't like that. Like, I think that's so fucking disgusting.

And I think like, let's really not act like you didn't benefit at all from Britney Spears like okay Zoe 101 like you know like I mean we only know Jamie Lynn Spears because of Britney no literally and she there was like a revamp that was going on like she did the like I don't know what it like for the Zoe 101 thing Zoe

101 whatever I don't give a fuck like I literally don't like I heard about it and I was like that's crazy not interested on TikTok I was like don't give a fuck like i literally don't like i heard about it and i was like that's crazy uh not interested but on tiktok i was like don't show me this shit again i don't want to see it it's just sad because when jamie lynn was getting apparently bullied on the set of zoe 101 britney showed up like six months pregnant and yelled at this like teenage co-star for bullying her my sister alone basically and then it's like you can't stick up for your sister when her in the real world yeah when she most needs protection when she is the most isolated and like you can't do anything yeah they would

use i mean her dad would be like okay you're gonna go on this vegas residency thing you're gonna do all these shows she's so crazy but they would make her work right right she was competent enough to put on shows and do interviews and whatever the fuck and she was like well i'm i'm supposed to do uh every summer like i take a trip with my boys we go to maui and we do this trip and you know i'm supposed to do that this summer and so like can we pause the tour and they're like all right fine yeah we'll pause the tour but you just have to do these more shows she's like okay fine so she'd do those shows and then they'd be like never mind the kids don't want to see you they're gonna go here with us

and it's just they're like you need to go work it's like they just force her to work it's so sad it's i want to give her a hug i think there wasn wasn't there also like a I don't know if I'm incorrect, but I think I saw a video on TikTok of like Britney trying to like discipline her kids and then like not. Did you guys see that video? I think I saw like her telling them something and they did not like respond like the way that I would respond to my mother. You know what I mean? They responded very like dismiss Dismissive? Responded very like, fuck you, mom vibes. Like, I'm not going to listen to you.

Well, yeah, I'm sure because they had Kevin in their ear telling them their mom's crazy and things like that. Imagine all the things. That is so tragic. Can you imagine having your own children being weaponized against you? And all you want... Like, that would make me crazy. It's heartbreaking. She was holding her five-month-old baby before she was like giving them back to kevin because i guess

eventually they got 50 50 split and then eventually that got taken away so she was giving the kids back to the security guard and she's holding the five month old and she's like i just need one more minute like all of a sudden in her head she thought i don't think i'll ever see these kids again like i think he's gonna take them and not give them back. So she was like, I just need one more minute. Like, please. Her friend is there. And she's like, okay, the security guard, like, you have all the time you need. He'll wait.

Take your time. So she goes to the bathroom. She's just like holding her baby, crying. All of a sudden, SWAT team busts in the door and like takes the baby. Like, they like thought she was, I don't know. She's like, I literally just thought I was never going to see my kids again. And I just wanted to hold him. And the SWAT team came in, took the kids, took her on a 72-hour hold to the hospital.

It's so fucked. It's tragic. I think it's kind of crazy. The whole thing that's crazy about the conservatorship is everyone around Brittany, team, staff, they had to have known that obviously she's not crazy, like crazy, but you're performing. You're like, you're doing so much and you have this, this literal like group of people. It's Britney fucking Spears. Obviously she has a whole staff of people with her all the time.

Why did no one come out like five eight years ago and say this is what was going on like i don't think britney's crazy because now it's coming out 13 years later and the damage has been done and now everyone's like britney's crazy britney's lost it i mean look at what the fuck she's been through like why did no one that was surrounding her this whole entire time staff assistant i don't care who it. Like, there's no way that you did not see that this woman was clearly like, she could, you know, be struggling from like a couple of like mental health issues, of course, but she's not crazy. Like they're, they're planning her out to be like, they're saying that she is like, was, was it really worth the money? Like, seriously, like, did the money really make you feel better

about like destroying this person? Because it was like millions, but I don't give a fuck? Like, seriously, like, did the money really make you feel better about, like, destroying this person? I'm sure it was, like, millions. I don't give a fuck. Like, that's crazy. Like, you valued millions of dollars over one single person's life. For their own kid.

Yeah. Yeah, it wasn't even... No. Yeah, see, like... No, I don't think that the people that were around her, regardless of her family,

like, you have staff, you have all these people around her regardless of her family like you have staff you have all these people around her and no one spoke out and said something's not adding up here like something seems like a little off because to the public eye she was in this conservative conservatorship i'm sorry i don't know conservatorship conservatorship for 13 years and in the public eye when you're watching as like for example like i love britney spears like i really do like i love her like i remember literally taking my my grandma's computer uh fucking 10 years old and watching like toxic i'm like i i loved britney spears like i loved her literally i loved her womanizer all that stuff like i love britney and I wish the public and the media would have known what was going on

because we would have been able to assist so much quicker but what's really disappointing is that everyone around her staff everyone like no one said anything like you you didn't say anything like you didn't have a single like shred of I don't know like like morality or like literally like over money like listen i get it i get it money is the root like i get it like a lot of people do a lot of things for money i get it but no morals like no respect no human decency like for this person like you see her busting her ass working choreography like you see her working that's the thing if at the end of the day all the discussions about her mental health like anyone to your point Brian and in a

position of power it's like wait wait is she performing or is she crazy you know what I'm saying like if I were the judge I'd ask that question because like if she's so crazy that she can't take her care of herself how the fuck is she getting on stage and doing a full performance she shouldn't be doing all these things these press tours like

it's one or the other if she is so crazy that you get yeah then you are cruel for basically forcing her to do this. The things that they put, you know, performers, it's what Taylor Swift doesn't go through. It's not, you know, easy to do. It's grueling. You know, and yeah, she's privileged and all these things, but it's still high pressure and high stakes

and not good for one's mental health. So for them to put her through that, all while claiming that she was incapable of taking care of herself should have been enough. Why weren't we asking those questions? It's also like, I think to poison her relationship with mental health and make it so she could never actually come forward if there were things that she was experiencing that were concerning her because she's already being told she's crazy. So anything where she might have sought assistance or been able to talk to someone and have counsel and say like i am struggling with this very real issue like

she's incentivized to like never say anything never give them more ammunition always used against her right and like so to this day she has like they've poisoned her relationship with like ever seeking help because they controlled her and they told her like they probably told her i wasn't there obviously but they probably told her like no one's there obviously, but they probably told her like, no one's going to believe you. Or like, you're literally crazy, like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But it's like exactly what you said. You're so crazy, but you're performing on stage. Like you're doing all of these, you're booking shows, you're singing, you're dancing, like crazy.

Like really, you're crazy, but you're doing all of that. Andy Cohen recently came out and said he did an interview with Britney. This was a few years back. And basically said that she was being controlled by some other woman. There was a woman next to her side. It seemed like she was making all the calls and calling all the shots. It is a bit like, why didn't you tell us then, Andy? It was a little bad timing.

Why wasn't Andy like, hey, I just did this interview with Britney, and there was a woman beside her who's controlling her. Steve's off. But people have criticized him for the timing of it all. Has Justin said anything ever about, because to me, like all the pregnancy stuff, like the thing that he really did wrong was his first album of letting the entire world think that she did him dirty and that he slut shamed her and all those things. And that stuff is horrific. You know, granted, douchebag 20 years old. I mean, is it also are we all that shocked that Justin Timberlake was kind of a douchebag in his early 20s?

As an NSYNC guy, I was more of a J.C. Sanchez kind of guy. So I didn his early 20s as an NSYNC guy I was more of a JC Sanchez kind of guy so I didn't really like Justin at the time so I always kind of thought he was a douchebag and then I over time like became a fan and came around on him but like I always remember the there was a punked episode of Justin Timberlake and Ashton Kutcher like made him think that his truck was going to get towed. And Justin did not handle it well. He kind of stomped his feet and kind of looked like a little bit of a douchebag. But I'm not that shocked to hear he was a douchebag. But I'm curious, has he ever come out and addressed that? Because that's worthy of addressing. He needs to address why him and his team had no problem of destroying her credibility and basically becoming famous off of her shoulders.

That's been well documented, right? That's not even a matter of opinion at this point that he did that. It was pretty clear. I don't know if the pregnancy stuff was like, no. Not the pregnancy stuff. I mean, because. Just his album. The album.

The pregnancy stuff is, it all sounds bad. But like, to me, that's like two 20 year olds not knowing what to do when they got pregnant and it was a scary time without any guidance and yeah we can criticize him for doing that but to me that's less damning than coming up with a plan to slut shame her and promote your entire album while letting all of her fans and your fans and you know because they had fans together as a couple thinking that she's the reason you broke up and that you have some sort of broken heart that you don't have that to me was a million times worse than how they handled getting pregnant you know because i can have grace for two scared 20 year olds handling it in a terrible way

and yeah we can laugh at justin for playing the guitar trying to soothe britney which sounded like really out of touch and bad but that was far less egregious like a systematic takedown yeah it was a conscious decision that his team did and then to hear when she would go into arenas and get fucking booed and overnight became like public enemy number one and clearly justin knew this was going on i would i don't know how someone could i don't know how someone could do that yeah i feel like we just have this like deep-seated jealousy issue that fuels so much of the hate where it's like because it's like the question is like why can people like suspend compassion so instantly for someone? Like, how can they turn on her so quickly?

How can they be so like outwardly negative about it? And I think it's just this like jealousy effect of like, well, she never should have had that to begin with. Or like it's unfair that one person gets all of this like attention and accolades and praise and whatnot. And so it creates this like dynamic where they're so quick to like pounce on her. And it's just horrible. Yeah. Britney. It's a bummer.

Leave Britney alone. I don't think, to your point earlier, I don't think the correct response from the internet is then to try to take down Justin Timberlake. You know, I think Lance Bass has spoken out about that. Like, I think he deserves criticism. I'd love to get an answer from Justin on this this but i don't think it deserves an equal response to what we did to britney 20 years ago you know what i'm saying i don't think we fight fire with fire and troll him and try to tell him he should die and all the i'm assuming the crazy things that yeah i guess he like turned off his instagram

comments it got so bad but like you said natalie like he is not public enemy number one in this book that is for sure it's her father and it's kevin yeah and then down way down the list yeah i feel like and then her sister and then her mother anyone related to her yeah whenever you say her father it really ticks oh my god i get so i literally just rolled my eyes so hard i didn't even notice me doing it i get so fucking irritated your own fucking father that is so oh my god like i remember watching the wendy williams show where she's like death to them all death to all of them no and i was and then like everyone was like and i was like it's what you deserve i was no like i oh my god like your own fucking father like what a sick bastard that's crazy crazy. It's a bummer. Well, it is well done.

And yeah, I guess Michelle Williams, we got that wrong last week. It was Michelle Williams who narrates most of it. Does a good job. To the point where you forget that it's Michelle Williams. You think it's Britney. Wow. Does she do kind of like a soft Britney twang? I think when Britney's writing in like quotes...

She got in character. She gets in character. Yeah, that's awesome. She did a really great job. It's very well done. Yeah. Did you see that picture of Leonardo DiCaprio's

girlfriend's hand in crack? You showed me it this morning. Yeah. It's hard to... Like physical hand in crack. It's hard to justify. Yeah. Well, you told me about it

and then my... Jen told... I think Jen gets credit for finding it I think we all saw it we all yeah unfortunately

we all saw it wait I'm sorry I missed like physical hand in crack hand under boxers sort of

in pants yeah in pants seemingly where crack might be yeah it wasn't like because that was my question was it was it lower back

or upper butt? Lower back, upper butt. Was it on a cheek or was it like in the middle? That's haunting. Because there's a lot of options where it's okay. Then there's one option

where it's like, that's right in the crack. Also, can we zoom in on the fingers? That's why I asked like the crack thing because I was so confused because i was like this is about to go either two separate ways are you talking about crack the drug or like the butt also yeah i would that's why i asked like i was like crack like actual crack why is leo

wearing boxers what do you mean do you know why is anyone still wearing this costume boxers like over briefs or boxer briefs like wait you don't wear boxers old Boxers. Over briefs. Or boxer briefs. Wait, you don't wear boxers? Old, like shorts. Do I wear shorts? Under my pants? Do you wear boxers? I feel like Brian's being shamed right now.

No, no, no. I wear briefs, but I like it when guys wear boxers. I've talked to a lot of guys and they'll wear boxers. I think it's kind of hot. I just find it to be so uncomfy. Nothing's really put together nothing is really being secured maybe that's there's a bunch of fabric bunching up there's just no upside to boxers my big question is like on pants presumably your pants have to be even looser otherwise you're getting fabric bunches yeah i mean and maybe leo never got into

the skinny jean era but i don't know how you go boxers and skinny jeans. Well, okay, yeah, boxers and skinny jeans is crazy. I'm saying, like, boxers in the sense of, like, I think it's kind of hot, like, if you're walking around in boxers, because, I mean, so TMI. I think a Calvin Klein brief is much hotter. Well, okay, briefs are hot. However, like, if you're, like, for example, like, if we're walking around, like, my house house or something and you're walking in boxers, the point is for nothing to be secured, in my opinion. I don't want it to be secured. No, I hear you.

I'm more like. Yeah, yeah. No, right, right. You're like, yeah, yeah. Easy access. No, literally. So that's, I think for that. I'm more why is Leo liking it, not why the ladies might like it.

It's just more. Well, yeah. Was this from Halloween, do we think? She's in a wig, yeah. What do we think Gary wears? Bachelor Gary. Are we transitioning?

Yes. Golden Bachelor? Yes. What did he wear for Halloween? Or what did... No, he doesn't do boxer briefs. Boxer briefs? Boxer briefs?

Brief. Do you think it changes as you get older? Yeah, do you have errors? Yeah. I mean, I've only boxer briefed it boxer briefs. Brief. Do you think it changes as you get older? Yeah, do you have errors? Yeah. I mean, I've only boxer briefed it. Occasional brief. Never a boxer.

I'm always like, I think. Oh, wait. I'm personally always like a brief. It's like I like everything just kept together. The brief is like the. The brief is like kept together. No short. Oh, okay, okay, okay.

Yeah. Sorry, I've been saying you wear briefs. The whole time. The whole time, I think. Well, everyone. I'm so sorry. Wait. I tell everyone I wear briefs.

Wait, wait, wait. I think so. So, boxer briefs is what I wear whole time i think well everyone wait wait wait so boxer briefs is what i wear i'm sorry yeah like the boxer yeah that's what i like i like everything kept together personally yeah i don't know why why anyone's wearing other anything other than boxer briefs i wear your boxer briefs for bed and they're quite comfortable yeah are you gonna get the skims boxer brief? I think so. I fucking need them literally in my life. Like I saw them all over. Oh my God.

She did her job with those Instagram posts. Oh, with those men that she hired. Oh my God. Kim. I got on Instagram and I was like, oh, what is this? Yeah. And then I'm like. Do you know their names?

No, but I know their bodies. I followed a couple of them. I was like, this is crazy. Like, I literally, it showed up on my Instagram. And then I clicked on her page because I was like, what's going on here? This is not my normal Skims, you know? And then I look and I was like, Neymar? I do feel like Nick Bosa hasn't really talked about it a lot.

Like, you have Joe Burrow and Travis, like Travis Kelsey was talked about before, Taylor. But like all these heartthrobs of the NFL and I feel like Nick Bosa really like flies under the radar. He's a quiet guy.

I think NFL players in general are less known because they have helmets on. So like we don't recognize their faces unless they play quarterback or they're dating a celebrity. Most NFL players are not as recognizable as you. Well, I guess so.

I don't really watch sports, but I mean, I, whenever I think of like sports, like if you have a helmet on, like I'm probably, I mean, I know like in the crowd, they're like, oh my God, that's number nine. But like for me, like when I go on Instagram, like you asked if I knew their names, I was like, absolutely not. But like, I know their body. I knew their names. I was like, absolutely not. But like I know their body. I know their face. I know the face.

But Nick Bosa is an attractive gentleman. Yeah. Wow. Hot little bod. He's cute. Little. Little. Hot little bod.

Hot little bod. Oh my God. Wait, now you made me want to. That same little skirt. The one that I really liked. Hold on. This is crazy. It's going to be Nick Bosa.

No, I don't think so. Hold on. I like literally sent it in my family group chat with my mom yeah cause I love my mom I'll just tell her oh my god babe

ugh who is this? that was the one for me Shy Geligious Alexander who is it? oh my god babe

it was the campaign for me the bash poplar? yeah it was the campaign are you kidding me? I saw it on my. It was the campaign for me. The Bash Poplar? Yeah. It was the campaign. Are you kidding me? I saw it on my Instagram. I was like, oh my God, Kimberly. Ms. Kardashian's top.

She knows how to market. Thunder? What she does. Her nipple shirt? Oh my God. How do we feel? What's going on with the nipple bra? Like, is that a thing?

Wait, what? She just came out with a bra that has nipples on it. That shows you nipples. i um that like in case you're warm don't worry they'll always be cold it's literally the campaign part of her campaign so it's like it's with textural nipples okay yeah so it's like you wear the bra under a shirt no matter the whole like oh babe don't like my nipples are showing no no we want that apparently breathe in it yeah how do we feel about this i was reading a lot of articles i was talking about like how this would be um like a lot of women that have had breast cancer that this would be like a great option for them and i that's

instantly like when i saw the ad i was like oh wow that's like really nice like i i like that like there's like an option for that because you know like sometimes that is like a sexy appeal like i have a lot of girlfriends that like they want their nipples showing through their shirt you know like they think it's like showing through their shirt, you know, like they think it's like hot and cute and like I also agree. I think women are just like

beautiful in general. So I mean, I'm biased. Do we like it because it's hot and cute or do we like it because it will de-stigmatize

cold nipple? I don't know because it's like is it a nipple or is it a bra? You know? I think if it makes you feel comfortable

then that's all that matters. Fast forward two years, it's Kim Kardashian is the skims skims clearly it's going to sell it's going to be popular now are we just going to be used to like yeah there's just going to be nipples everywhere we won't know the difference so we will no longer comment right and it will kind of destigmatize and desexualize the nipple there's something to me i'm thinking about the workplace and not necessarily this specific workplace, but in general, I'm like, what is it like to show up

to your workplace with a nipple bra? Like, this is a question. I don't know the answer. HR, like, rooms across this land

are having Monday morning meetings. They had an emergency meeting. So how do we dress the nipple bra? Is that something do we allow? Do we not allow?

Do we care? There's a lot of gray area. Is it our place? Yeah. True. Well, I don't know if you guys know this, but the holidays are approaching. And do you know what that means?

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Well, just because I was like, we have so many wonderful women. And we're chopping the fucking axe this episode.'ve like we lost some great six how do we feel about kathy i'm not gonna lie um i she kind of bothered me just just just a smidge i don't like i don't like when she was like talking to gary and then mentioning like the tea with Teresa. Like I stopped talking. Like what is this high school? Like why are you? That's what they always do though. Right.

But then she gets a rose and then it ends up biting her in the ass because she ends up getting kicked off. Yeah. I feel like that's because you know how I feel like with almost every season of The Bachelor, there's a point where you're like, oh, this is serious now. And it's usually when they kick off the whistleblower. Whoever was there stirring shit or tattling on people, when that person gets sent home, I feel like that's when you're like, oh, we're down

to the core. She also got really emotional. And I remember even re-watching the episode because I was like, wait, because I was doing emails and I'm listening to it and skimming. And then I was like, wait, did I miss something? Why is she this upset? And then I re-watched it and I was like listening to it and like skimming. And then I was like, wait, did I miss something? Like, why is she this upset? And then I rewatched it and I was like, she was just telling you like how her date went, which like, if I was on The Bachelor, oh, I want to know how your day went. Tell me how I can get my man back. Tell me how your day was so I can make mine better.

It kind of felt like a similar thing happened with Faith. What did you guys make of the conversation when Faith came back from her one-on-one? And Faith was like, oh, I don't know. I really shouldn't tell you all this because it was such a glamorous date. I mean, I thought, thank God Kathy's not there. Yeah. Yo, she would have lost her mind. She would not have been happy with it. Well, we have April on the show on Going Deeper this week. We'll get to talk to April about who is she, Team Kathy or Team Teresa. I suspect maybe Team Kathy because they seem to be friends. We're outspoken.

So we'll get to the bottom of it. And I really liked Kathy until the, like, I was loving her. I was like, oh, wow, I love your energy. And then that tattletale moment, I know they always do it. But that tattletale moment, I was just like it but that tattletale moment i was just like i don't that was just unnecessary like i literally re-watched a whole episode because you were so distraught and i i was like feeling for you like i was like what just happened just to find out that it was just information that was disclosed about a date like you're on a show you guys are

all fighting for the same man you you know what i mean like they're gonna talk about their day i thought the the helicopter one was so cunty like when they waved to everyone in the pool I was like that they were so nice yeah but at that point they seemed they were nice about it but could you imagine like being in that pool you know that right

but could you imagine being in that pool and knowing that like that was their helicopter they landed on a boat in the middle of the ocean I've been there I've literally been there I've waved at a helicopter knowing it was them

do we not gotta was this in lieu of a shopping date this season we didn't get the shopping date princess date we didn't get the

shopping date I love that one and I gotta say like the best dream of all time is kind of a bachelor staple like they land

on a fucking yacht we did we did get a shopping date they did the makeover yeah who was it who got the shopping date i think it was ellen oh yeah yeah they did the makeover room i don't know if it was necessarily shopping but like they went into a room and like she got pampered remember gary wasn't there with her though it was her and like it was her and the stylist yes that's what i was talking about and she looked gorgeous in those dresses yeah i gotta say though, Gary and Faith really, they made me feel spoiled.

Like the way they just acted and their appreciation and how grateful they were to like land on a helicopter onto a yacht. And I'm like, eh. And they were just like, this is the fucking greatest. They really made me feel entitled and privileged and spoiled i'm dead you thought that was me yeah i've done it a few times well no i feel like no matter how many times i could do something like that i would still be well i just

got sick it's probably the christian in me i just like i feel like no matter how many times i could do something like so like like even when i'm in la i'm like oh i'm in la like that's so crazy like i just appreciation but like my biggest takeaway of this episode was we finally know that Gary is into someone. Up until this point, it's just been Gary being the nice, sweet bachelor. Nice to everyone. Who's just like, you know,

tell me your story and relating and empathizing and just being, you know, a sweet big bird. But now with Faith, he was like getting emotional talking to her about how he feels about their connection. That was the first time we saw a tangible connection

between Gary and I thought any of the ladies. Who did he take on the one-on-one last? Was it Ellen? Was Ellen the other? Leslie was last week. The motorcycle. The motorcycle.

I loved when she came in. The one who's like, her and Faith look kind of identical. Yes. He has a type. Refresh my memory. Who got the first impression, Rose and Faith look kind of identical. Yes. He has a type. Refresh my memory,

who got the first impression, Rose? Teresa. No? Faith. Oh no, Teresa got the first one on one. Faith got the first impression, Rose? Because she came in on a motorcycle and she sang to him

on the guitar song. Remember he was like, you made me feel special not because you sang to him on the guitar song. She was so sad. She's a local DJ? Yes.

She was so sad throughout the episodes. And I get it because you got the first impression, Rose. And it almost looked like he wasn't really taking her seriously. But you could tell watching, this was a classic Basher episode where even Faith, when Faith and Gary were talking to each other, you could tell they had a rapport that we haven't seen. That they've been kind of just editing around and waiting for the date like there was a level of familiarity between faith and gary and that even the other ladies

spoke to about like oh he's on a date with faith and he i think he really likes her and i'm worried like it was a kind of that classic they're saving the favorite to the end so that gary can who do you think he likes the most of faith without question i think he's gonna i think we i think well we are we're down to three but i think it was faith leslie theresa what he said to leslie he said you're my girl i know and i know that he was looking for like very kind reassuring things to say that aren't i love you so maybe it was just that but that feels like to have it be like singular like that like i feel like if you're Leslie, you have every right to read into that as like, I'm going to win this fucking show. 100%.

And that's where this show gets really fucking messy and very difficult for whoever the lead is. Up until this point, like Gary's crying at rose ceremonies with women he's had a handful of small conversations with, you know, and it's, it's not easy to be the lead. It's very difficult. And I can't only imagine the conversations they've had with Gary about like how this shit works. You know, you kind of have to level with your lead. Like you're going to have, they have, you have to lead people on. You just do. And I think they could get away with it earlier in the season because it was more about the nostalgia and everyone was this appreciative of being there and we're we're getting into everyone's stories about their past and you know the husbands who have passed away and things like that but now now gary spent a few weeks with them like because i'm filming is only i think like four or five weeks

you know first couple weeks again you can go through the motions but now he has i think a real rapport with all these final three ladies. And I think he could kind of, he's very careful too. He's clearly been coached and he's very careful about not saying things back when they, I've been falling in love with you. I had a great time. He's very much like, I'm glad you feel that way. You know, that's so, it means so much for, you know, he does a good job of validating

without giving anything away. That's, he says something that was so special to hear and so meaningful to hear and really validating to hear. He really makes it about like, that was me. That was so meaningful for you to say that to me. And I feel, I feel so special. It's a, you know, better than most pastors are like, Oh, thanks for sharing. And they bulldoze right over it. I think the way he says it is just the nicest, like the nicer way of saying like oh thank you you're falling in love with me but you can tell when he was talking to Lindsay

that whole like you're my girl Leslie what did I say? Lindsay when he's talking to Leslie and he says you're my girl I could see in his face like this almost panic of like how do I really he really wanted to validate her.

And it's like, he knew his normal taglines of saying, this is special. Just wasn't cutting it with her. And he threw in the, you're my girl. And maybe he is kind of torn. I think it's one of those things.

Every time he's going to go back to faith, he's going to remind, be reminded of why faith is number one. Do you think Teresa is? No. Oh my God. Yeah. I could have. Yeah. yeah trees is trees is hanging out for dear life what about you what do you think yeah i think he's also picking faith what do you think i think maybe leslie but probably faith what do you think i kind of thought it was teresa kind of wow so i i like all of them i'm not picking a favorite because so I love this season I feel like they're all just so sweet

it's so cute I really really like it but I definitely I mean I think Teresa has like a pretty good shot I think they all have a good shot I think he has to be torn on possibly all of them maybe the my girl thing

when he said that, I was a little like, is this like a like, oh, thank you. Like pat on my back kind of thing. But I don't know. I think it's whatever. I think, are they going to have like a

final rose AFR? You know, like a live. Oh, damn. I don't know. Are the women going to tell all? I don't think it's going to be a tell all. I don't know if they're going to have any of those. But like, I think she's going to call them out for,

what about all that my girl stuff? Also, the fantasy suites next week. No, hometowns. And so will the fantasy suites be two then maybe? Yeah, I guess. And then meet the families? I don't know how they do it, but hometowns. There is a fantasy...

Maybe they don't do fantasy suites. No, they do. And I guess, according to Rob Mills, we will be talking about it. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no.

Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Should we talk about Ellen's experience? Sure. I don't know. I found that really hard to watch and gut-wrenching. Watching her be so kind of like definitive

and really get the hard sell to Gary on the roller coaster. I really like Ellen. Yeah. I thought she was sweet. I commend her for trying. Nick was crying. I was. Yeah.

I was definitely crying at the rose ceremony with Ellen. I was like, are you crying right now? And he's like, yeah. That did not go exactly that way. You put your head into your t-shirt. You're like, I'm just drying my eyes. Whenever. It's so funny.

Why do men do that? They put their head in their t-shirt when they're crying? I was just like this. Never seen a woman. That's literally what they do. Yeah, they do that. That was literally what I was doing i was i was touched when she was getting in the car it was i i really empathize with someone who you know i think getting

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I think she was done dirty. Okay, same here. I felt bad for Kat. You know, yes, we know she doesn't handle disappointment well. She is a bit of a temper tantrum monster but it was her birthday and it was definitely salt on the wound and i don't think tanner should get a pass for being the clear and obvious fuck boy that he was this episode just because we don't like cat quote unquote because you know that's how these shows usually

work it's like and now we're so anti-Team Kat. Or it's like, this is our third episode of not looking the best. And we get to the point where it's no matter what, we're just, who's Kat against? Where does Team that person? But I think Tanner really did Kat dirty. Don't sit someone down on their birthday

and tell them to their face that they're in a good place with you. And then that going on a date with someone else is going to help that relationship on their birthday and try to sell it as you being an empathetic, caring guy. I don't think Kat looked that bad. I think she handled it quite well, actually. I agree.

She was laughing. She was just making a joke out of it. She was playfully hitting the piñata. I don't think there was actual anger behind that. They definitely tried to make it. Yeah, I think Kat got a bad don't think she was, there was actual anger. They definitely tried to make it. Yeah. I think Kat got a bad, I think last episode that was Kat really not having her finest moment.

And I feel like this episode, I think the show did their best to try to keep the, the cat storm going. And I think there was a lot of editing going on. I don't like that. She was like crying on her birthday and then production decided to have everyone sing happy birthday to her. Like, wow, she was literally fucking crying. Yeah, that was me.

Yeah. Like, let's get the cat crying on her birthday shot. So, like, they clearly brought the cake in and everyone, wow. And I get everyone was also like, they were upset that she had, I don't remember his name, but she had done someone the same way that Tara was doing her. So I get it. But they made her like into like this villainous bitch.

And while they're singing happy birthday, it's such a passive aggressive happy birthday. Like I felt like the cast was singing it and like they didn't really give a shit. Like I feel like production was like, go sing happy birthday. She's crying on the couch, go. And then they clearly told her to go throw the cake in the ocean.

And instead of just airing that as it happened in real time, they edited it as if she got up without communicating to anyone what she was doing and walked down the beach by herself to a path to nowhere. Because they didn't really show her going anywhere. They're showing her walking away. And then showed a couple face shots of people kind of looking aimlessly, which could have been from literally any time in that night. And didn't even show her throwing it into the lake until they showed the

cake and the lake. The ocean. The ocean. Sorry, I'm a lake guy. Yeah, they did her dirty there. It was so obvious, too. It took away from last week. Yeah. But before her dirty there. It was so obvious, too. It took away from last week. Yeah.

But before Kat's birthday, Sam comes down. No. Yeah, Sam comes down, and we get a rose ceremony. And thank God Sean is no longer on our TV screen. Boy, bye. I've never met a guy so willing to point out that it doesn't matter who they are, what they look like, what their personal qualities are. If they just have a pulse,

he's fine. I thought you were going to say hemorrhoids. Sure. Which we don't need to know that he has hemorrhoids. And that also doesn't make you older either. We don't give a fuck. And Sam probably doesn't give a fuck. Is that the one that they were saying looks like

the villain in Trek? Yes. That's what we were saying. He calls himself Ken Barbie. I'm not the best at names for the Paradise one. But the thing is, he was talking to this one girl. And the girl, she was kind of a little mean about it. I get it. He's not that old.

I get it. But she said something like his brain wasn't fusingusing together yeah and oh her uh she was new yeah and i was like okay like you know you you could have been it's a little nicer like you didn't have to like your brain's not fusing together like that's they brought her down and told that was a little fucking mean like i when i watched it like i was, I was like, like, I get it. Like, whatever. Like, he's gone. You know, I get it. But also, like, I don't know.

Like, whenever I'm watching stuff, like, I'm like, that was just a little mean. Just a little mean. Like, the. Mm. Mm. Mm. Yeah. Sam was definitely, like, a shot girly through and through.

Like, I feel like there were so many times throughout the episode, she's like, should we do shots? Shots? Shots? Like, I feel like she was really trying to lean into, that kind of like party mentality oh yeah i mean she she looked like they brought her in for a specific job which was to shake shit up jesse palmer uh uh when he's greeting people in has a he's really developed a really bob barker energy which is like and behind door number three it's a rose ceremony and you have a rose aren't you excited he's like he's

really pitching it up every time someone comes down it's kind of hilarious yeah and i do like that we got like a canada person i feel like that's kind of fun i'm every time i'm like oh yeah there's a bachelor i had no idea and so put that on my radar yeah it's kind of fun and i'm really glad that she had a rose because i think it must be so hard being literally for like the girl from a different school like different franchise also like it's amazing just how high school the whole group is because when they got down when when sam got down there it was they literally acted like maybe this girl might have jumped the fence like yeah is she on vacation and took the wrong turn and then she's like oh no i was on paradise canada they're like oh okay we can talk to you now we don't have to be so mean to you it

was like kind of hysterical just i mean and they really are like that i mean that is the atmosphere just kind of like if we don't know you fuck you you're like do you have a least favorite like someone that you're just so fucking tired to get off the show it It was Sean, but he's gone now. Yeah, that's also how I was feeling. Yeah, see, that's the thing. Like, I didn't really care for him. I just, like, when she was a little mean, I just, like, low-key felt bad. I was like, he's leaving this episode. Like, we know.

You just really just, like, dug real deep in. Was Firefighter guy there, too? Or did he go home finally? Aaron. Aaron. Which really made, like, why didn't he go home with other Sam?

Why didn't he leave a Sam? You were going to deliver her poop baby. You stuck around for like a half other day knowing there were like 17 guys and five women.

Like, just go home. For what? To like smash a box and knock it a rose? Yeah. You could have, you could have really spun yourself

as like a loyal king. Yeah. Who was like, if you're not here, I don't want to be here. sorry, you can't poop, bye. That's literally what happened rose yeah you could have you could have really spun yourself as like a loyal king yeah who's like if you're not here i don't want to be here sorry you can't poop bye that's literally what happened after all all of that yeah i am excited to see the uh rachel and brayden romance heating up i felt like they were having so much fun on their pinata date yeah they really are a cute couple great couple i just got the impression from from Rachel when we had the pleasure of talking with her, I didn't get the sense that she was over the moon in love with someone.

So I don't know what happens. Maybe Rachel's just really good at hiding it. But I really find them to be fun to watch. In fact, that's the thing. It's not just about who's coupling up. I think as fans we need to want to root for some couples, you just don't give a shit. Other couples, you know,

you love. And with Rachel and Brayden, I'm kind of into. I feel like I have a hard time rooting for a couple if I just don't like one of the individuals. Like if I don't like something that you did, I'm like, ugh, I don't even care about what you're doing now. You haven't forgiven Brayden yet? What, i don't like something that like you did i'm like i don't even care about what you're doing now you haven't forgiven brayden yet are you what you met you don't like brayden no i just so i don't like okay so it was her birthday right i get i get everything that happened i get like she's

like a wicked bitch right whatever like everyone's you know they picked a side but on her fucking birthday like i'm sorry like on your birthday like like, I definitely was, like, I get, like, you did what you did to, I think it was Brayden, right? Like, you did what you did to Brayden. And he was even, like, I'm a little selfishly happy that this is happening to her. Right. But then Tanner, like, when he turned around and did it, after, like, she literally, like, she just gave you a rose. Like, you were hers. And then, like, someone new comes in, you're like, oh, new date.

I didn't, yeah, i i didn't like that but and then i um when when brayden came in and they were sitting there and he didn't see tanner next to her i know that inside of his head he was like fuck you yeah you know what i mean yeah but speaking of couples that like i realized that a i forgot we're there and i don't give a shit about, is Kylie and Avon. Because I think it's because Kylie came in very kind of Machiavellian and had to navigate through all these relationships and kind of got away with it.

You know? They didn't really focus on how she played well. I mean, for a moment, but everyone just kind of moved on. Except I haven't. The North remembers. It's just more like, it's fine, you're together,

but I remember how you got to where you're at, and I guess I'm just not rooting for them. Also, when they focus on them, it's just Kylie being like, it's so easy. We're so great. I'm like, okay. Yeah, I think it's one of those things where it's like,

and obviously everybody on this cast is stunning, gorgeous, amazing. There's something about Kylie that is just so like- On the outside. Yeah, so like the most popular girl in school, head of the cheerleading team. Oh no, when you said stunning, gorgeous, I meant on the outside. Oh, on the outside only.

Yes, yes. We got some- Yeah, we have some really just like- We got some duds on the outside oh on the outside yes yes we got some yeah we have some like really got some duds on the inside like some just like she seems nice but i i think there's something about her where she just has this like very like head cheerleader energy which is like not necessarily fair i'm sure she's like a wonderful friend and a great person but i think she doesn't she doesn't necessarily feel the soup like super relatable like it's just like you seem like someone who like gets what you want and again again, I'm sure she's had real adversity,

but just in the context of the show, she got asked out on all the dates first. Like even to this day when one of the guys was asked in the truth or dare game, like who the hottest person was,

like it was Kylie. Like it just kind of, it's hard to root for someone who has just had everything go their way so much. Yeah. Speaking of the truth or dare date, that was,

they got a little, all got a little horny. Yeah. They were,, they got a little, all got a little horny. Yeah. They were, they were getting a little hot. They were getting horny. And like really just kind of embracing the game

to like, who would you want to make out with? And even though people were cupping up with, they were like, honest and use it as an excuse. Like, I guess I have to go make out

with them now, huh? Like, I didn't realize that it was so, as soon as you're playing truth or dare, it didn't really matter if you're in a relationship or not. You just get to make out with people. Well, it didn't realize that it was so, as soon as you're playing Truth or Dare, it didn't really matter if you're in a relationship or not.

You just get to make out with people. Well, it's a game. I guess so. And that's when we found out that Jess is not really interested in poor Blake.

Oh, poor Blake. Just can't, can't get someone to be obsessed with him. Not to jump ship, but can we, can someone tell me why John Henry's

underwater welding mask is always in the vicinity where he is? Did you notice that? I think it's just a producer having fun. Telling him to bring his helmet. What's your reaction?

You're like, interesting. You hate it. I do very much so, yeah. It was like interesting the first time. Like, this is what my mask looks like.

Like, okay, cool. And then why is it in the hot tub with you and Olivia? And why is she kissing the outside of it? Then why don't you just stick? I guess so. What do you think of

John Henry otherwise? Hot. Yeah. Extremely hot. And it feels like they're teasing some drama with him and Kat this upcoming week. Kat?

Yeah, because we have... That's like the preview for next episode. And Olivia is livid. She's not holding back on her thoughts on Kat. And Brayden goes, she's homie hopping. And then Jess tries to explore things with Tyler.

Yeah, that's true. But can we go back to the Jess handling the conversation with Blake? Yeah. Because I got Blake perfect. It's like, hey, listen, just want to check in. Back to the Jess handling the conversation with Blake. Because I got Blake. Perfect. It's like, hey, listen, just want to check in. Right.

I feel like maybe you like me, but only because you have to. He tried to create a safe enough space for Jess to just say, hey, listen, you're great, but. And instead of just saying that, she had a meltdown. And somewhere, all of a sudden, it was more like, I don't do anything for myself. I got where she was coming from. Like I could see it because I couldn't. So I think from her standpoint, she feels like she's trying to please everyone is getting nothing out of it. Like she's doing a million things by half, has nothing to show for it and is like not feeling true to herself. And I think it was devastating having to like both Tanner and Tyler, like conversations that went really well and then

not getting chosen and getting kind of rejected, but it flying under the radar because she's with Blake. And I think she just felt very caught in the middle of it. I think the reason that I see where she was coming from and don't have many objections to how she was behaving was because she was apologizing to Blake. She was like, I understand that this is like hard for you and that it's not your fault. I'm just really overwhelmed. And here's why. I mean, I guess. But at the end of the day, she still is leading on Blake and she isn't giving him a straight

answer. Is she leading him on or is she hoping that something would bloom? She is literally using Blake as a backup plan. And she just doesn't want to admit that and acknowledge that. And instead, she is holding on to Blake in case her main crushes don't pan out. That's what she is doing. And she is selling it as her being selfless. Do you think he's going to notice? I think Blake is just one of those too nice for his own good guys. So you don't think he's going to notice? Or do you think he'll... I think Blake is just one of those too nice for his own good guys. So you don't think he's going to catch on? This is him catching on.

No, right. But do you think if she doesn't get her main crushes, he will be like, yeah. Well, they show a preview of her making out with, what's his name? Tyler. Tyler. At that point,

I hope Blake sends himself home, or at least pivots, because you spent, Tyler. At that point, I hope Blake sends himself home or at least pivots because you spent essentially up to this point, all of paradise with one person, which in that world is a decent amount of time and fairly intense. And if you don't have anything at this point, and so for her to pivot this hard by sucking face with someone, I hope Blake just says thanks, but no thanks. Although the men do have roses, so maybe there's like a Hail Mary chance that someone will come in

who Blake would vibe with just because they're presumably well... I'm sorry, as far as him and Jess goes. In fact, it kind of reminds me of, again, as much as like, I didn't, you know,

Kat and her drama, I actually quite liked how she responded to Tanner asking out someone else. It's like, I'm not waiting for you go on your date we're done like at this point i want more people at this point in paradise not being so chill about the person they've been dating so freely going on a date with someone new

it's like you know what if you go that's fine but this i don't need it i'm we're we're done yeah you know and like because if you don't know at this point i don't need you sampling someone else to make yourself sure about me. Right. Right. Like, you're still shopping around. That's my answer. That's my answer.

She handled it really well. I feel like they made her look like she was handling it like it wasn't that good. But I think she handled it really well. Yeah. She handled it okay. I mean, she's just so... I think she was just over it. Yeah.

She's so harsh with her words at times. It just can come across as... No, right. But I think that's why like i think her just being like whatever like it i get it like she probably doesn't look the best but her just being like whatever like okay like i don't want to be like like like you said like you don't have to go taste someone else and then come back to be like oh you were actually the one for me yeah no and i just like it, a lot of people in paradise are just so afraid to like say that they don't want

to be. I don't know if it's because they don't want to be sought as mean or understanding. But I think maybe early on, it's OK. But at this point, say no, thanks. And do a call. I just want someone to be like, no, sorry. No, thank you so much. But thank you.

No, have fun. Yeah. I hope you have a great time. Aaron and Eliza are another couple that seems to be kind of becoming exclusive. They seem to get more serious, yeah. But then we saw the preview, when Charity's arriving.

I feel like it's a lot of editing. Yeah. Because I was kind of like, that seems so out of Charity's character to come to the beach and talk mad shit about Aaron. Also, I feel like they had nothing but nice things to say about each other.

In fact, if Charity comes in with new information, she better have receipts. Right. Don't pull the whole won't name names, but don't talk about men

from past seasons of which you've had no time between now and the time when you're on the show with them and speak about their character as and the time when you're on the show with them and speak about their character as if you know when you don't i don't think charity's going to do that i think this is all editing yeah i think it's gonna i think what i think in fact it's going

to be so much editing that they're going to come down and eliza and charity will talk and charity would be like you know you know it didn't work out but he's a great guy and i'm rooting for the best to you and i think it's going to be that short and that simple. And yeah, you'll see shots of Aaron being like, oh no, I don't know. Like this could change everything

and then it'll literally be nothing. So can we just quickly talk about how Sam kept rolling her ankle when she showed up to the beach? She kept rolling her ankle in the sand. Yeah, she kept tripping. Like a champ. she rallied every single time i was like how is it not broken by this point maybe it just wasn't that bad

that reminded me of the golden bachelor when the i don't remember her name april and then she everyone's like next to her and they're all like they play that awkward music yeah so funny i was like girl your leg is fine and you know it girl you know i really think jess should start a glitter line i think there's i don't i know plenty of like companies have glitter that is nice but i feel like there's a space in the market for you being like the glitter line and like she does it's already kind of like a signature that has like stuck with her i feel like she can make bank and i think she should consider that as a business. You're welcome.

Opportunity. Yeah. Jess, if you're listening, get out there, start. Slinging glitter. Slinging glitter.

Everyone's covered in it on the beach. Yeah. I wonder how it's getting around. Like a disease. Like are people hugging? Is it like an intentional? It must be. Is that about cover it?

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