The Viall Files - E664 Reality Recap - Catfish, Baby Names, Golden Bachelor and BIP with Kamie Crawford

Episode Date: November 7, 2023

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap Edition! Today we are joined by Kamie Crawford to talk about all things reality TV. First, we talk Catfish and the human connections behind the lies and the bizarre true story of a girlfriend who poisoned her boyfriend after he inherited $30 million. Natalie also shares the baby name her late grandmother suggested to the expecting couple. Then, we discuss the Golden Bachelor and who we think will receive the second rose. Finally, we discuss Bachelor in Paradise and our favorite Beach makeout to date.  “Do we spill that tea, or no?” Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Join us for our new LIVE show on Thursdays at 9PM ET/6PM PT on Amp, available in the Apple app store. Android User? Listen here: https://www.onamp.com/   To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: ShipStation - Get a 60-day free trial at shipstation.com/viall. Thanks to ShipStation for sponsoring the show! Nutrafol - Take the first step to visibly thicker, healthier hair. For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners ten dollars off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you go to https://www.Nutrafol.com and enter the promo code THEVIALLFILES. Vessi - Go to the link, https://www.vessi.com/VIALL, and use my code VIALL for 15% off your entire order! Free shipping to CA, US, AU, JP, TW, KR, SGP. Lily's Garden - Puzzles? Check. Gardens? Check. Romance? CHECK! Download Lily’s Garden today on iOS and Android devices! Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @kamiecrawford @nnataliejjoy @alison.vandam @liffordthebigreddog @dereklanerussell @genevievegoodman 

what's going on everybody welcome back to a new and exciting episode of the volfiles reality recap edition i'm your host nick joined by the household of genevieve amanda ally is in the back room before she back room and she's in the corner yeah she's in our room it's on like a cupboard under the stairs we've we've hit her in a closet absolutely not absolutely not uh from Allie in the future. Exciting. Exciting. Oh my gosh. Exciting plans. This is so cryptic. I know. We love that. Keep people guessing. Okay. Are you

okay back there? She's not. Okay, great. Going twice. That's our pop culture correspondent, Natalie Joy, also my lovely fiance, and our special guest today, the one, the only. We're excited to finally have her i feel like i feel like i've been like can you come on this podcast it's been a year and a half in the

making for me to be here i'm so excited i literally don't know what to do i can't believe i'm here i'm here i feel like i'm on the news honestly that's such a great name thank you it is so strong yeah you know I have five sisters. Do you? Everyone has a strong ass name. Do you have any brothers? No brothers. Six girls.

Fuck the boys. I know. Who needs them? Nobody needs them. We have Milan Crawford, Victoria Crawford, Carrington Crawford, which is my favorite. Carrington Crawford. Carrington Crawford. Carrington Crawford.

Kennedy Crawford. Kendall Crawford. The first one was what? Milan. So they ended with all the K's they started with Milan which is spicy

on itself well they started with me you're the oldest I'm the oldest Cameron Cameron but Cammie Crawford rolls off the tongue better

Cameron Crawford Cameron Crawford Milan Crawford Victoria Victoria was supposed to be Victor because my dad's name is Victor Victor Crawford

Carla Crawford is strong too sounds like a comic book villain Victoria Crawford Victoria Crawford like a journalist every time they tried for a boy they got a girl every single time they tried for a boy so everyone was supposed to be Victor

and they were like okay let's switch the name maybe Scott never never Scott was your dad kind of bummed he never had a boy we don't ask he's still in the corner drinking And they were like, okay, let's switch the name. Maybe Scott. Never. Never Scott. Was your dad kind of bummed he never had a boy? We don't ask. We don't ask. We don't care. We don't care.

He's still in the corner drinking. Yeah. He'll be fine. He'll be all right. They're still trying. They're still trying. The last time they tried for a boy, they got twin girls. Oh, wow. Yeah.

Yeah. God was like, fuck you. You give up. Truly. It's like, you're going to get these girls. It's my plan. Yeah. Exactly.

Exactly. That's what happened. What else is new? What's happening? What's cracking? I mean, catfish filming constantly. That's what took me so long to get here. We film catfish year round.

I think people like think that we have some type of schedule. We're always filming catfish. So I'm always on the road. And every time I think that I might have a day off to like i don't know book a gynecologist appointment they're like actually we're going to be filming on that exact day at that exact time and you're going to like iowa so that's my life i mean i feel like this maybe you get this question a lot maybe it's stupid i don't know but like obviously all of your stories are crazy when it comes to catfish but like did this ever do you ever just want to shake them yes you know sometimes

i do just be like when the cameras turn just in the corner with them like their camera doesn't work exactly no yeah it's like that but in all seriousness what you know obviously catfish is salacious and people watch it with a lot of frustrations and there's some comedy in it. But on a more serious note, what is some advice for someone, not like how to avoid a catfish and shit like that, but you must have met people who have been and almost recovered. How does one break through?

From catfishing or from being catfished? From being catfished. The people who don't want to believe it who who are in deep who who have built relationships with these people because i think what's so fascinating about being catfished and i think where where people i feel like you know forget about is that despite the craziness of it and despite the lies in the seat that are involved like these people are developing relationships. They're making human connections. Yes.

And they reach a point where I feel like the people being catfished even might suspect but don't want to believe the lie because just like any other relationship people are in, they're afraid of losing the comforts, the routines of waking up and texting their person or things like that? How does one break through? Well, that's why it's so hard to give advice because we all have a friend that's in a relationship in real life that's like that. We all have like a family member, somebody who's been dating someone for 20 years and that's still like their boyfriend. And they're like, well, I really think they're going to propose one day. And you're like, bitch, yeah, you know, damn well, this person is not taking the next step. And even in real life, we're in relationships all the time with people where we're like,

OK, I know this isn't exactly right, but like I'm feeling comforted right now. This is like the intimacy that I need right now. We saw it over COVID. There were five million COVID relationships that blossomed because people just wanted to feel touched, like physical touch or like some type of intimacy. So, I mean, I feel like the only way to prevent yourself from being catfished is the same way that you can prevent yourself from being lied to in in-person relationships, which is notice the red flags when they're there.

Like, don't get caught up in the bullshit they're there. Like, don't don't get caught up in the bullshit and the lies like you have to take things at face value. And when people show you who they are, you have to believe them. But it's easier said than done because I've I've done it. We've all done it. We've all been in relationships before that we know aren't exactly right. But losing that morning text is sometimes not worth it or like not having that person to cuddle with on a Friday night we all want that but it's funny because like recently we've had some episodes of the show that have been very like gut-wrenching episodes where people are literally in tears watching them and I've gotten so many messages and tweets from people who are like, Catfish has been really,

really sad lately. Like, can we bring up the energy? Like, can we? I'm like, uh, the premise of the show is sad. Yeah, it's sad. It's sad. Like, it obviously is an entertaining show. It's reality TV. So like people think that they're supposed to be entertained by it 24-7. And while there is a level of entertainment, I'm just like, do you have that same feeling from week to week when you're laughing at people who are being catfished and hurt and heartbroken? Because they're like, these people are getting heartbroken. You should be ashamed for even airing this episode. I'm like, people get heartbroken literally every week on the show. Literally. Like, did you just discover it? Everyone's getting heartbroken.

Everyone's getting heartbroken. It started with Nev getting heartbroken. That's why the show exists. So it's just, it's, oh my God. That's how it started. He was catfished. You have to watch the documentary. You will literally, it terrifies me.

It's really scary. It's so good. It's so good. I didn't know that. Yes. So he was catfished by, well, I don't want to tell you. Oh my really scary. It's so good. It's so good. I didn't know that. Yes. So he was catfished by, well, I don't want to tell you. Oh my God, I can't tell you. Okay, everyone go watch the documentary.

Are there stats on catfishing? Like how many catfishers are out there? Or how many people get catfished every day? I think the limit does not exist. It's literally happening all the time. Since the beginning of time. Like, I don't know if everybody here is old enough to remember like chat rooms,

like on the phone when you could call in and like, there would be some sexy voice on the other end of the line. And you could ask them like, Oh, what are you wearing? What do you look like? And you can make up anything like no. And even on like AIM chat rooms,

I would always be like 24 24, female, Los Angeles. But I was like 12. Living in Maryland. Like, I was like lying. But it was fun to like pretend. I'm pretty sure that I was cat, like when it was MySpace and I was an accountant way back when,

it was like, I'm like 22, 23. I was pretty sure that I was catfished by a girl who i met i met the girl like the real girl the real girl but her friend she had like a picture of ariana lima the victoria's secret supermodel adriana lima yeah and i didn't know who you were talking to adriana i didn't know who that was at the time and at first i was like who's your hot friend yeah like and then but i never i never met her the friend but i met the other girl who was like we should all go out sometime and i don't i never like confronted her about it yeah and like but it was kind of bizarre and i kind of realized

like months later i'm like i'm pretty sure this girl doesn't exist and i think you're both of these people yes it was really bizarre but even her, she was like a normal, like normal. Yeah. Like it was so bizarre to why she would do something like that. It used to be so common. Everybody would like

change their profile picture. Even people who tweet me who have their profile picture of me. I'm like, what? What? It's incredibly common. I think. Yeah, exactly? It's incredibly common. Yeah, exactly.

It's so weird. Natalie's mom has like a neighbor who's pretty sure she's talking to Keanu Reeves. I think it's my aunt. Your aunt? No. Your aunt has a friend. It's not your aunt. No, but she was like, I know it's not him, but like. We she was like, I responded to the DM and it's she's like, it was very funny because he was very much trying to make it seem like it was counter.

But she knows it. But she was like, I know it's not. My mom sent me a screenshot of Nick Vial underscore 08 news Instagram. And she's like, is this Nick? And I was like, no, no. Stop it. It's not burner. I've had a couple of situations of people pretending to be me

people showing up at my front door what? that was so scary because they think that they're talking to you? what? it was like their breaking point and they like they gotta figure out if this is really him or not

I want to make a public service announcement if you think you are talking to a celebrity on Facebook, you're not They gotta figure out if this is really him or not. I want to make a public service announcement. Yeah. If you think you are talking to a celebrity on Facebook, you're not. You're not. Nobody's on fucking Facebook. I'm sorry.

I haven't logged in in forever. It's not happening. And if they say this is their extra account on Instagram to talk to fans. No. Lie. It's a lie. Or they'll be like,

my management doesn't want me to connect you with my fans. Yeah, their management is holding them hostage. Yes. Yeah that it happens all the time i get emails on a daily basis from people who are like my mom thinks she's talking to leonardo dicaprio he said that his management won't allow him access to his accounts he needs five thousand dollars to be able to unlock it and she's sending it like it happens all the time it's really fucked up it's really fucked up but then people are confused when the the time. It's really fucked up. It's really fucked up. But then people are confused when the show is fucked up.

It's fucked up. It's all fucked up. It's all fucked up. If they're not getting money from the person, what are they getting? Just like... I mean, connection.

Sometimes Ubers, food. A lot of food is being sent. A lot of food. It's really crazy. It's really, really nuts. They'll like... A lot of food is being sent a lot of food it's really crazy it's really really nuts they'll like people they'll have their addresses cheeseburger i'm keanu reeves literally management won't let me eat cheeseburger management too honey must be starving me can you please send extra sauce like that is happening on a regular basis but mostly i think it's the connection it's people are always like it's just nice to like have somebody to talk to we recently did an episode

with a woman who hadn't been in a relationship in like 15 years or something like that and this is the first time that she felt like and she had a history of like medical problems it hasn't come out yet so whoops i'm spoiler alert but like she had a history of medical issues that kept her from even like feeling sexual in any kind of way and this person for the first time made her feel alive like she was like I'm like horny like I'm taking like yeah naked pictures and she was like in her 40s like her late 40s or something like that and like that's a beautiful thing and in some ways you know whether it works out or not it's like you did get something out of it so sometimes there's positives there's like you know glimmers of hope in these sad situations but for the most part yeah and i think that's the part

that i think is kind of important because so many people will watch this stuff or hear it and be like the assumption is anyone who's dumb enough to be catfished is crazy or something. And that's not the case. They're usually just lonely, in a rut, a little bit stuck, and they got caught up in something and made a real connection

that maybe they haven't in a while. And waking up to a message that says, good morning, beautiful. Like, how was your day? Like, it's not that they're crazy. It's just that they want to feel something and they want to have a bond with someone. And there's someone on the internet willing to do that for them. And we've, you know, Nally and I met long distance, you know, that's, we, that's how our relationship started messaging back and forth

for a couple of weeks before we met. And I had a huge crush on her before I met her in person. You know, you're not crazy not crazy it's just it's like it's no different than like you said before you keep stuck in a situation ship stuck in a toxic relationship that you don't want to leave or make all these excuses for so you could be talking to a fuck boy that you know has copy and pasted the same message and send it to 20 bitches this morning by 8 a.m yeah and still feel like those butterflies and be like, oh, my God, like he loves me. No, no. But it feels good. And so sometimes like that's enough. And I always try to find a certain level of compassion. I'm very well known on the show for like my faces

and like being very expressive because that's just how I am when I'm hearing these crazy stories. But at the same time, it's like you can't help but identify and like find empathy in in these people's stories and the things that they go through, because we've all been through it in some kind of capacity in some way. Yeah. Natalie, I was so touched by what you posted about your grandmother. And I just I like wanted to see how you're doing because it was just something that like, you know, on the topic of like human connection just felt like the epitome of kind of like the love and connection that everyone searches for. It seems like it's something your grandparents had together. And I just wanted to know like how your family is doing and how you're doing oh my gosh that's so kind thank you for asking yeah i lost my grandmother on sunday sorry uh i think it was so hard because it happened so fast like she's she was 89 my grandfather's 94 and so we all were like oh papa like he definitely probably gonna go because my grandmother was yeah Yeah. Like last Thanksgiving. Mobile. Spunky.

You know, Heather Witts about her. Picking up his wheelchair and loading it in the car. 89 years old. Like she is doing the thing. And then one day she woke up and could not move her body. Wow. And she was like, what?

Like, what is going on? Turns out she. Two years ago was diagnosed. She had breast cancer years ago. Double mastectomy. They killed that. It went away. And then two years ago, lung cancer. Then it traveled to her brain. Brain cancer. And then while I was just home doing some wedding planning, we got a call from her was just like taking over all of her organs. I told this story on Instagram, but she was in the hospital for two days, I think. How long were your grandparents married for?

74 years. What the? What? Yeah. Oh, my God. 74 years. And they've spent a week apart in 74 years. Yeah.

So she was gone for two days and he doesn't have a phone she's the one who has the cell phone so she couldn't really talk to him and he fell out of the bed and was like i've broken my leg you need to call an ambulance i need to be taken to the hospital so then we're all like oh my god he fell out we're all freaking out we're like oh my god he fell out of bed he broke his leg like this is not good they get to the hospital he's like i just i need to motherfucker he faked it he faked it to be next to grandma yeah next to his wife they're putting him through all these tests all these x-rays all these scans and he's like this isn't really necessary they're like where's

the pain he's like he's like it's in my heart i want to see my wife yeah it's really not much so they finally bring him up it would have been great if he actually would have said it's in my heart yeah see my wife show me my wife it was the same hospital i hope same hospital could you imagine if they took him to a different hospital? Oh my God, no. There's a beautiful video of they rolled him in and he's shining bright and they're like blowing kisses to each other. They're trying to kiss and they can't get close enough and it's just this like-

Sweetest. The sweetest thing ever. And I was sitting right there as he came in and it was just like the most beautiful thing. And you know, like that's obviously what I hope. That's how I want to go out. Half of what their marriage was, I'll be happy. But yeah, it's really tough to lose someone,

especially as I'm bringing someone into this world. It's a really weird thing, but especially in my wedding. It was so hard for me because it felt like so many milestones in my wedding you know I felt it was so hard for me because it felt like so many milestones in my life were so close yeah and it was like if you could just make it to the you know like we're so close and she couldn't do it and I had a conversation with her where she was like I'm not scared like I've lived a really good life and I'm really proud of

everything that I've done and I'm proud of everyone in my life and I just like I'm content and I'm really proud of everything that I've done and I'm proud of everyone in my life and I just like I'm content and I'm fine so that made it a lot easier obviously knowing she wasn't scared and like didn't want to go and whatnot he's 94 his mind isn't fully there but he's still like he's okay so i think you know he she passed uh in her sleep next to him um the notebook yeah totally jesus and he was just eating his cornflakes in the morning and thought she was sleeping and the nurse came over and was you know changing her and cleaning up and doing all this stuff and that's when she was like wait a second i don't think she's breathing and he didn't really understand and finally they went and told him um what had happened and there there's actually a funeral today that i i couldn't make but um i texted my sister

and asked like stupid question but how is dad and papa doing she said dad is okay but papa is so sad i tried talking to him like real quietly just us and his eyes started to water and he asked what he's supposed to do now and that it was the worst day of his life oh my god i'm so sad it's so sad it's like it's so hard because i feel like you prepare to lose your grandparents your whole life yeah right like they've been old my whole life and i remember my dad always saying like make sure you call your grandparents they're not going to be around forever you know like let's go see your grandparents they're not going to be around forever but then when it actually happens yeah it's like it feels like you haven't prepared for it at all yeah no this was not supposed to happen there's no amount of time is long enough no it like it

doesn't matter they could be here for 500 years and it still would not be enough yeah and sometimes it creeps i lost my grandfather i mean now it's been like six or seven years but sometimes he'll just pop into my mind and i'll just cry because i'm just like damn like yeah those relationships those are the relationships that you want for your kids to be able to have too like i i can't wait for you to meet this person or like stories will never be enough for me to tell you about this person. I'm so sorry. Call your grandparents. I know.

I'm like, can I leave? I need to call my grandpa. What was your grandma's name? Betty Sue. Betty Sue. Betty Sue. What a bad bitch name. She had this Southern accent that was like,

actually, I'm going to play this voicemail from her. I save all my grandma's voicemails. Just in the event that something horrible happens. Hi Natalie, it's grandmother. Sorry we missed your call. We were downstairs in the dining room. So we'll talk to you later. Thank you for calling.

Bye bye. What a gem. Betty Sue is, she has the voice of a billionaire. She literally has the voice of someone who has amassed an insane fortune. Did she leave a voice now when she had a suggestion for the name of our daughter?

Was that a voice now? She left me several and they were like, I need, because she was in the hospital a few months back. It was right after I told her I was pregnant and told her we were having a girl. And she was like, I missed her call twice I was doing something she left me two different voicemails and she was like I need you to call me back it's not important I'm fine I just want to tell you something and it was that she had had

four nights of dreams of our baby's name and um we ended up going with the middle name that she chose for us. Because I was going to say, if grandma has a dream, you better put that in the first name. Like, we love you, grandma. It was elegant. As in the name was elegant? Yes. No, like the name was an elegant name or the name was that's awesome that is an awesome pitch for me elegant and then she gave me the middle name

and then she said the last name vitality and i was like by all what's so funny about that is like when we have like you know every family has like a history tree yeah like somehow my last name that no one could pronounce and it's just terrible used to be dv talus oh so that like that like it's like it's which and i was like that sounds cooler no along the lines like how did it turn into this fucking muddle of garbage elegant elegant and i think you should still call her elegant and she's like well you she's like you run it by nick and you call me back and let me know what he says and i was like okay i will so of course i get home i tell nick he's like that. But like, no, no. So then I call her back and she's like, well.

And I'm like, he loved it. We love it. So then she starts telling my family, well, I think they're going to choose my name. I think her name's going to be Elegant Vitaly. She's like, y'all better start putting that in your hat because mine's going to win. Vitaly is an amazing name. Elegant Vitaly. I said we. I think we should we should do elegant vitality I love it like we're gonna be you you could have been elegant vitality I think you should make her a shirt a onesie it says elegant

elegant vitality that'll be like she'll come up with her own business and then she'll name it elegant vitality LLC. There you go. That's perfect. Now if you're listening, don't go fucking steal that right now. Yeah, exactly. Don't you dare. There's going to be an elegantvitaly.com

by the time this episode is out. Genevieve, what do we got before we get into The Bachelor? Oh, this story feels really silly and wrong to tell after that story, but I'm going to persevere anyway. Oh, great. So a woman poisoned her husband

after he inherited 30 million I saw that I saw that yes yeah I saw that and she the funniest part of this is um she has been charged with murder but a few days before she was charged with it she was taking to Facebook so some people

are on Facebook actually murderers murderers not celebrities catfishers and murderers she taking to Facebook. So some people are on Facebook, actually. Murderers. Murderers. Not celebrities. Catfishers and murderers. Yeah. She took to Facebook. This is what she looks like. And she was just putting out nonsensical. Guess her age.

Oh, yeah. I mean, she's got to be in her 60s. She's not 41. 47. 47. According to the article. Someone needs a skincare routine no no no life has taken a toll life has taken a toll but that's what happens when you have a bad soul yeah when you're

unproblematic you age gracefully when you're problematic and you're into some nefarious shit and you're trying to kill your boyfriend for 30 so when you meet someone yeah and they look good for their age, good soul. If someone looks a little rough around the edges, you're like, this is a dangerous person. I have to stay clear. Immediately. Story immediately. That's a great take.

It's the truth. That's a great take. When you're bad and your soul is just rotting away, it starts to radiate outwards. It's not your skincare routine. It's your soul routine. It's your soul care routine. Soul care routine. Soul care. Yeah. It's your, it's your soul. It's your soul care routine. Soul care routine.

Soul care. Yeah. It's like, I don't trust you. Why not? It's like, well, I've got a couple of wrinkles right there.

Hmm. That crow's feet's looking a little evil. One of the most powerful things you've ever said, Natalie, is the other night at dinner when you were joking, when you said souls, plural, and then you were like,

no, but literally I have two souls inside me. And I looked in your eyes and I was like, she does. She does. She does. Oh my God. Wait, no, you're like no but literally i have two souls inside me and i looked in your eyes and i was like she does she does oh my god wait no you're my baby the fact that i immediately go for astrology astrology oh my god what's your rising oh my god wait what why why did this guy inherit 30 million dollars that's a good question who had 30 mil just sitting around and why did it all go to him yeah yeah and why does he look like he hasn't had a scent of it he's 51 he don't look much better oh god is there a photo of him yeah yeah there is she also did this hours after he inherited it she wasted no time oh boy was it right no it was anti-freeze. Anti-freeze. But here's the question.

You couldn't. When I first saw this story, I was just like, you couldn't have tried to play it off a little bit. Like maybe give him a week. Yeah. Well, you said next next morning. He's gone. Here, drink this. Yeah.

Oh, 30 mil. Congrats. Take this beverage. I made you coffee. It's blue. According to a People article, it said there'd been tension in their relationship, allegedly. And allegedly, he was planning on leaving her when he got the money. So maybe that's why she felt such a sense of urgency was because she was like, he's going to ditch me immediately. What's crazy, though, is that she just assumed because they had been together for a lengthy period of time that she was going to like get his money through common law which yeah is is a thing in some states but not wherever they

are no she did take to facebook though yeah she did not do her research this was a sloppy murder to the shaper that almost hit me that's not married hello honey i wish i was looking for someone but no i'm a one man woman kind of person. And Steve Riley, the only man I ever wanted. Okay. So, pretty. She said days before she was charged. So, after he was murdered, but before she was charged. She took to Facebook to plead her innocence.

She's like, I love him. He's dead, though. Yeah. Also, I see that she used some punctuation with the commas, one man, woman, kind person. But like the run on that was that whole first part, it could have given me instant insight into the fact that she would commit a murder at some point. She's zero period. It's the honey for me. It's just like, what is happening?

Kami, what's your favorite Hollywood scandal going on right now? Oh, God. Or drama or were you into scandal at all? I was, but I wasn't because I never actively watched the show. But I didn't feel like I had to because I had so much information pouring in on a regular basis

of what was actually happening. So I knew about the Raquel, Rachel of it all and the whole thing. But I know that BravoCon is happening right now. And I'm like, what is going to come of that? Well, we'll see. But I'll tell you what. Forget Bravo now. And I'm like, what is going to come of that? Well, we'll see. But I'll tell you what. Forget BravoCon.

We got Lindsay Hubbard here tomorrow. Hey. Pew, pew, pew, pew, pew. Talking about her breakup with Carl. He broke up with her on camera. Broke up the engagement. Real messy stuff. Oh.

So that's her podcast exclusive. Jesus. Right here tomorrow. It's dramatic. She, I love a generous guest. What happened? Oh, my God. You don't have to listen, Cammie. It's dramatic. I love a generous guest. What happened? Oh my god, you don't have to listen, Cammie. Yeah, obviously. I'm like, wait.

Juicy, tell me. It's messy and sad and tragic and inspirational all at the same time. Now I'm trying to really think of what Hollywood... I feel like there's a new scandal every single day. I'm more like in the true crime world of things these days the take care of maya trial's going on right now

trying to figure out what's going on with that tell us more what you haven't seen take care of maya oh my god so sad is that the 20 is she so sad no he's like i said no you have no idea she her she gets sick and her her they end up taking her away from her family basically and her mother kills herself because she's like give like they're saying all of this treatment that she's done is a symptom of munchausen by proxy like they're saying that the mom has munchausen's and that she was making her daughter sick or like making things up. What's Munchausen? You never heard of Munchausen?

Oh, that's like another deep dive. Remember what's Gypsy Rose? Mm-hmm. Nick's like, no. No. Gypsy Rose Blanchard? You know, she's getting out of Munchausen. Make a wish?

I know. And I have mixed feelings about that. As do I. I don't know because she was a little? I know. And I have mixed feelings about that. As do I. I don't know. Because she was a little diabolical. I need you to really... What's your sign again? Libra. What's yours? Virgo. Aquarius. Virgo.

Leo. Sagittarius. And Abby's Leo. I'm like... I need you to become a Scorpio for a minute and like get into the dark and and like mysterious things of the world and dive into taker of maya and gypsy rose midget immediately okay tonight i'll do it on my flight to toronto tonight you have to but yeah so i'm i'm very much into like the court trials of all the things that are happening. But as far as the Hollywood of it all.

What did you think of the Murdoch murders? Chaos. Chaos. That whole family. Did you see that he apparently is like, there's new evidence that will- Exonerate him? Yes. No, it won't. That man's crazy.

No, it won't. He's done. He's done. How old is he? He's probably 25. The dad. Literally. He's got some evil.

99. For sure. He's got some evil 99 for sure he's got some evil the craziest thing about that case i remember hearing so as soon as you call 9-1-1 it's recording you yeah and so it was recording him before they answer before they answer you're recorded as soon as like while it's ringing yeah and so he's like chilling and you can hear him like like breathing like yeah literally okay okay now what's your emergency he's like like immediately puts it on for the yes crazy crazy after you just shot your son and your your wife i don't think there's any way that he didn't do it. He did it. I know. He did it. I know. The housekeeper. You're trying to bring everybody, rope

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Well, let's start with Golden Bachelor and then we'll get into Paradise. Yeah. I have thoughts. Tell us more. Teresa is out. Out. Yeah.

He literally told Faith and Leslie, I love you. Why didn't he tell Teresa that? And they both told Jesse walking into the rose ceremony and Teresa's like, I told him I love him. And I have not heard that yet from his lips. From his mouth.

From his mouth. Well, so what do you think that means? She's like, bye. Yeah. I think Teresa, I have this theory about Kathy and Teresa. Because Kathy was like a wackadoo. But I was like, everybody knows a Kathy. Everyone, I went to high school with 10 Kathys. You know who Kathy is. Kathy wackadoo. But I was like, everybody knows a Kathy. Everyone.

I went to high school with 10 Kathys. You know who Kathy is. Kathy is the girl. She was like head of yearbook. And like maybe she played like lacrosse or field hockey or something like that. And she was that bitch. But she was also like kind of mean. But she also had the house parties where like your parents, her parents would like let you

drink with them. And like they would be bringing you alcohol and stuff like that in high school. That's Kathy. Yeah. Teresa. Teresaa everyone also went to school with the theresa theresa is very like i'm so sweet but then on the outside on the inside she's a little she's got other things going on i feel like she's got some ulterior motives and she's constantly trying to like be like oh no but i'm so sweet look at me i'm so tiny and so cute don't don't be upset i'm just a little ladybug i'm so petite don't be mean to me she's a mammoth she's a mammoth of course she's got other shit going on she's like you know she's like she's a little passive-aggressive but like a little condescending but she's so she's oh my god i did not mean to offend you kathy i just wanted to tell you that I made out with Gary all night.

We had the best time. And he came to my bedroom. And he came to my bedroom and comforted me. And oh my God, that was so sweet. Oh, I'm so sorry that made you upset. That's Teresa. But we all went to high school with a Teresa too. And Teresa and Kathy in high school were best friends.

Not in real life, but in my hypothetical high school. In your head. Yes. HHS. Hypothetical high school in your head yes hhs hypothetical high school they were best friends but they hated each other but they were always together it's like regina george and gretchen wieners yes that is kathy and theresa obviously kathy is no longer a part of this i was going to say no longer with us but that is not the heart's ticking that is not it with us she's with us just not on this here show um but i still think i think gary is looking for some spice in his life i think theresa is like very sweet and

like plays at his heartstrings and like makes him feel you know protected and safe but she's safe and that's not what gary's looking for i know what he's looking for because I talk to him every day. So I know what's best for him. And I feel... You're catfishing him? Yes. Exactly. He thinks you're Teresa. Yes, exactly. I think... I can't decide between Faith and Leslie

right off the bat, but I do think... It's tough because they also kind of look exactly the same. They do. They do. But I think Faith is more the route that he needs to go in his life right now. I think he needs fun. I think he needs excitement, adventure, and I think faith is it.

He needs horses, motorcycles, guitars. I was sold on it being faith until this episode where I was... Was that Chicago? The Twin Cities, I believe. Yeah, Minneapolis. That was Minneapolis. Okay. Still the, I believe. Yeah, Minneapolis. That was Minneapolis. Okay.

Still the Midwest, and he's from Indiana. That's what I was kind of thinking. And she says she's not moving because her horses are buried there. I'm like, okay. And that was something about this episode that I think we kind of forgot about.

I think when you're like, you have a bunch of 20-year-olds, 30-year-olds, it's already hard, long distance. There's always conversations about like, would you move for me? Who's going to move?

And like, yeah, when you're in your mid twenties, as many of the people in the bachelor are, it's a little easier to be like, you know what? Fuck it. Yeah.

I'll move for you. But let's move to LA. These, these people have mortgages. Yeah. Yeah. Grandkids, families,

children, the, how are you going to make the logistics of it all i honestly feel like it's gonna affect his decision really i feel like she needs to get over it you can like i don't know what you get a little bit of the horse ash from the burial ground put it in a little cup and take it with you whose job would that have to be to dig up a buried horse somebody else remade it abc's somebody else somebody else's job a pa for abc i just feel like you can't let that be the reason why you don't pursue this relationship i think they're perfect together i mean the way he said at their

hometown when his sister's like oh my god that must be so hard when you're choosing her and you have to go with other people and faith, did she just say that out loud? Yeah. He turns and goes, would you say it out loud? Yes. Yeah. Yes. He said, I love you.

See. And then they made out in front of everyone. In front of everyone. They did. My boyfriend doesn't watch the show. Yesterday, he watched it with me. And he at that moment when she said that, he was like, she just forced his hand. She just basically like, of course, he's going to say that her whole family is around.

Everybody's looking with like glimmer in their eyes, like, please say you love grandma. And so he said it. But I think he actually meant it. Could you imagine if Kathy was watching this episode with Teresa? I feel like she'd be like, see? Yeah. Doesn't like you all that much, does he now? I don't think that Kathy genuinely cared

that other people were having connections with him. I think it was just about Teresa. It was just Teresa. It was just Teresa, because they're both like the little brunettes. She really just wanted to put her in her place. Yeah. Every time Teresa would apologize, she's like, no, let me tell you something. Yeah, zip it. Zip it.

You zip it. Honestly, that's a pretty good like line zip it zip it she's like well i wasn't saying it like that i was just saying zip it have some respect teresa's like she told me to snip it yeah snip it that's okay so i watch every show with captions because it just keeps me focused on what i'm watching. And when I saw, I saw it, but I was like blow drying my hair at the same time. So it was like loud. Yeah. And so I was like, did she say snippet? Because that's not what Kathy said.

And if you're going to go back and like run back and tattle, you better be correct with what it is that you're talking about. She didn't say snippet. She said, zip it. Zip it. But it was funny because then when Gary was telling the story later, he like auto corrected it back. Yes.

He was like, there's no way that Kathy said snippet. Did you tell her to snippet? Or do you think one of the producers was like, hey, just so you know, it was snippet. It was a hard zzz. How do we feel about Gary being the golden bachelor? Well, according to April. Oh. being the golden bachelor well according to april oh i think april is really being proven right in this episode with him going you know she kind of told us men don't really change all that much from

17 to 70 they keep thinking with their dicks their kitchen is what she calls it their kitchen stop stop the kitchen well i don't. I think he's so sweet. I think he's sweet too. But maybe that's just what we think. We don't know who he really is. He does look good for his age. He does. Well, yeah, he does.

Maybe his soul is pure. I think he's sweet. I think the first golden bachelorette should be Edith. And I want to put that out into the world. Which one is Edith? I agree. The gorgeous one in the gold dress. Glamazon.

She just, she's so captivating. She wore the gold dress on night one and she just had this like, oh my God. Next. There.

Eat it. Yes. Right there. And she's Latina. She was the 80s. She came out taking Spanish. The scarf

from the 80s photo shoot. Right. Yeah. And she just, and she had this like quiet confidence and energy to her. I was like, you're fun and confident and you're stunning. But you need a spice.

I think April, you need some spice. You need someone who, unlike the bachelor, you want sweet and always nice. You want a sassy golden bachelorette. I agree. I do wonder, though, if April would be able to keep her focus. Because she, I mean. She is very

sexual. She's the Samantha of the group. She 100% is Samantha. And I love that. Yeah, exactly. I feel like this would

just be like her opportunity to just like get it on throughout the house. Which would be entertaining television. She's like, we're going to have a sex date

on this group date. It's all tantric yoga. Every date is tantric yoga. Tantric yoga. We're doing naked twister. Yes, exactly. Exactly. Wait, who was the one whose daughter gave birth and she had complications?

Sandra. What was her name? Joan. Joan. Joan would be great too. Yeah. Yeah. And whoever did her facelift, i want their number for when i'm ready

for my face okay period because it was snatched and it was perfect and she looked great well joan is on tiktok now i wonder if that is a strategic move oh you know how many of the golden ladies do we feel like are actively campaigning susan did follow me on instagram i will say miss chris jner herself. Oh my God. Wait. Okay. I fuck with her. I like Susan.

She was so fun. I loved when they were playing Never Have I Ever and it was like, how many of you have ever or never have I ever had a sexual experience with a woman? And Susan was like,

kind of like, the only one. She was the only one where like, Susan, we know. It's okay. Literally. Gary just posted a photo with Kris Jenner who's like, Kris and Jerry or something.

And everyone was commenting, no, that's Susan. That's Susan. No. They should have had Kris Jenner. Gary, that's Susan. They should have had Kris Jenner swap out with Susan every now and then and see if he would have noticed. Because he might not have. That would have been great.

I don't think he would have. Oh my god, wait. First golden bachelorette. No, Kris Jenner is dating. Corey Gamble. Yeah, they're together. Which I feel like that relationship, there is so much mystery behind. Yeah. Yes. Like, we know nothing about

that relationship. That's because Kris Jenner is a Scorpio and you're never going to know what's going on. You're just going to see things happen. Except that she doesn't want him to work. Does he not work? He apparently could have been on Yellowstone. He got a gig on Yellowstone. She's like, no, fuck that. I don't blame her.

Why do you need to be on Yellowstone at your big age? Sit down. Let's go. We're going on a cruise. We're going to combat. Just sit there. You know what your job is. You've got the Keeping Up With The Kardashians we're going on a cruise yeah we're going to just sit there yeah exactly and look pretty you know what your job is got the keeping up

with the Kardashians camera crew coming you think Faith mm-hmm I think Faith too I think Faith I do like Leslie

but Leslie got a little bit too much going on she needs to get control of her emotions because it's just like I just feel like

Gary's gonna see the drama that comes with that she's just I'm not to say Gary's gonna see the drama that comes with that she's just I'm not to say there's anything wrong with being an emotional woman but like you can't be like this jealous and like territorial you know what show you're on why are you upset that they're on a helicopter ride five million feet above you and you're in the hot tub you weren't invited on that date relax and I felt like the tears at the carnival were like, I felt like it was kind of like she was trying to play at his heartstrings a little bit. And she was like planning to get emotional. And then at the hometown, I just felt like, I don't know, her family obviously is rallying around her, but I think that they can, they know how fragile she is in a way. And I just don't know if this is the place for her to find love. I do like them together, but I feel like she can almost be a little bit manipulative with her emotions.

Can we quickly talk about the line her brother used when he picked her up from school? Bless her heart. Her poor father had passed away, but he shows up and he was like, get in the car. And she said, no, dad's coming to get me. And he said, I'm your dad now. That's kind of a little nuts. I don't love that line.

Don't love that line. But I'm so sorry. Yeah. It must be so sad. But yeah, so he took over and was the father of the family. Was he a lot older than her? She was at the time he definitely looks older i would say probably like mid-20s maybe i also think it doesn't matter how old you are like in like my experience or like friends experience like whenever there's kind of like trauma that like takes a parent out of the equation like it's just like i think deeplyual. Especially if you're the older child

to kind of like, you just immediately revert to that mode and it doesn't matter if you're one and a half years older than your sibling. Like, there's this sense of like duty of like,

the oldest brother. Yeah, the line, like maybe doesn't land as well as you'd want it to. I think maybe porn ruined that. Oh my God. What? Sorry.

All the daddy stuff. No, but think about like, What are you saying? You're free time. Call porn, ruin the daddy stuff. No, but think about like. What are you saying? You're free time. Call horn, ruin the daddy stuff. Okay, all right. For everyone. I'm the creep.

But imagine. It's not appropriate. Imagine. Is it appropriate? Imagine being her brother and their dad. Is it appropriate? No. No.

Imagine being her brother. Your father just passed and you just feel like it's your responsibility to step up and take care of your family. It makes sense why he said something like that i like i said i've got five younger sisters if god forbid something happened to our mom and they were like where's mom my first instinct wouldn't be i'm your mother now come with me but i the situation is traumatic and like deeply rooted but i do think that that is still playing an active role in her life and like her emotional state with men and like the way that she and she's admitted it like she's admitted that she's had a history of bad relationships and i just wonder if she has

healed enough even at her age if she has healed enough to be prepared to move on with gary and like what he's looking for because he's already had he's had the thing so now he needs some excitement and some you know no drama she's just gotta i just feel like she's just gonna bring him down the thing that they don't really talk about on on this show i really guess any bachelor show but i think it's more important than this one is because obviously gary seems like a great guy but clearly they're going to have their gold or bad shirt as much as they can come across as squeaky clean he obviously is playing the role so beautifully but he is just a human being and so we just don't know we haven't seen like gary annoyed all that much yeah or gary not

getting his way or like what is you know it's he's the star he's the lead he's the focus like what you know when that dynamic changes you know does he become as empathetic and as patient as understanding you know in a relationship I don't know yeah you know and it's like that's this that's the thing you're talking about a bunch of people who are setting their ways yeah you know he hasn't really shown his personality all that much. Like, except for the time when he cursed. Yeah. We don't really know who Gary is other than his wife passed.

All his greatest memories are about his wife. And he is very sweet and empathetic and a good listener. Yeah. And he likes pickleball. Yeah, he likes pickleball. That's what we got. He loves pickleball. But that's, like, we don't know how Gary is on a day-to-day.

Yeah. You know, like. That's a fact. Whatever it is, bugaboos. What makes him tick. Yeah. The only time that I felt like I got a glimpse of it was when they were going ATVing and he was, like, going faster ahead of, who was on that date?

Leslie. Leslie. Leslie. And she was like, he likes to. Leslie. And she was like, he likes to go fast. And I was a little bit scared. And then he likes, then he like checked himself and was like,

Oh wait, I'm on a date. Wait, I got someone here with me. I'm not alone. Wait a minute. Get out of me. And I was like,

okay, like that's a, that's like a, cause he's been like very perfect. And that was like his one, like man thing where I was like, Oh God, man,

you know, but then he got, But then he came back from it. I don't know. Leslie's hot. Faith's also hot. Faith is like, I think she's just, I think they just, I just like them. I would agree. I think it's the fun he needs, the adventure. It's the spontaneity.

I think it's, yeah. He just has to figure out how to fly to fucking Wyoming. Well, he does, I'm sure, know how to work an airport. That's a layover. Yeah. Sure. If it was a direct flight, maybe. Yeah. But a layover? Every time? I think we can all agree, Therese is out.

Right? Oh, yeah. So out. But it was kind of interesting that Leslie was the one who got the rose and not Faith. This is lazy editing. Wait, when? Because at the... We were left on... He gave one rose and he walks out with one rose left.

So Leslie has a rose. Oh, right. And it's between Faith and Teresa. Faith is getting the rose. Teresa is not getting the rose. And he feels heartbroken and he had to take his little walk outside. Yeah, because he let her on. He let her on.

She thinks she's getting married. She thought from the first date at the diner that things were, you know, set in stone. She didn't stop believing. She didn't stop believing. That was kind of cringe. Gary told her not to. He did.

He did tell her not to. Liar. I just think, I'm in love with you, Gary, and I don't care who knows it. I just love you so much. That's Teresa. Honestly, uncanny. Yeah, there was something really was something really I've been to

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Have you been to school with a cat from Paradise? Wait, whose cat? The blonde. It was her birthday. Oh, the one who was... Yes, I have, but yes. Yes, I did see that. And I was just a bit confused.

Because how long have they been on the show now? Two and a half weeks, probably. And the guy she's talking to, she just met him? Yes. All these people. Well, I mean, maybe they ran into each other at some party or whatever. But they barely know each other. Somebody came in who had to ask somebody on a date

and he said yes because he has to say yes. Does anyone ever say no? Well, not this season. That's for sure. People have in the past. I'm not gonna, you know, I'm not exing anybody out two weeks into this. I can only

speak in Love Island terms, but two weeks in, I'm not... No, I'm going to crack on with everyone, babe. I'm not going to just stay with you because that's not fair. No. So I think that she's a little delusional. And I would like to know when her birthday is. You could DM her and ask.

Because I need to know why she was crying. Because I was like, there's some astrology happening here that we need to discuss I'm just kind of shocked how willing she is to just lose her shit over and over on camera why are you sobbing when they're saying you have a birthday oh she's a Gemini oh

well that's all we even know oh boy well sorry Kat it's not your fault. I think the big damning thing for Kat, like Tanner, I would have gotten upset too, whatever. But the big damning thing is how much she came on to John Henry. That was a lot to watch.

And her just not giving a fuck about anyone else. She just seems like she's on the beach by herself. I don't see it. which i kind of love for her it's giving main character oh yeah for sure main character she's just like she's great tv i think that she's excellent tv she just says the most out of pocket shit and her lack of self-awareness is first class her saying saying that Tanner didn't even open his mouth when making out, I was like, period. The number of times we heard just a peck.

Literally. This episode. Literally. She was mad that he didn't open his mouth? Yeah. Oh. She's like, he didn't break up with like, you know, she had the line where she was like,

nobody breaks up with me. And I ended stuff with him. I walked away from him. And then really started shit-talking their make-outs, which were apparently set-back. nobody breaks up with me like and i ended stuff with him like i walked away from him like and then really started shit talking their makeup which are apparently then she goes and sits down with all the ladies and she's like well i just want to let you know this was mutual absolutely was not mutual if it was mutual she would have said she did it so the fact that she said it was mutual every time someone tells me it's mutual i'm like all right so they broke up

with you i will say this rubbed me the wrong way and maybe i don't know it's like a you know she sits down and it's just like yeah you're upset and she has the right to be upset but it went from i have the right to be upset to like he's full of red flags he's an asshole yeah he's toxic he's this he's that it's just like he just didn't like you and maybe he could communicate it somewhat more effectively but he seemed like he kind of tried and like she's smearing his reputation. And Davi is right there. Davi is behind her. This shit happens all the time.

It's just like, we have to be more careful with our words. And you don't get to ruin someone's credibility and character just because they broke up with you. I think you can. You think you can. You think you can. I think you absolutely should. I think you should destroy them.

Who wrote these notes? Allie did. Allie did a really good job. These are great notes, Allie. Tanner is sleeping and Kat is pissed. So she said, Becca comes down. She left after night one. At least she will have something in common

with the rest of the beach. Oh my God. Literally. They're all night one-ers. Why the fuck is pilot pete still there why is he still on my tv screen wait how pilot pete is on the show not bachelor not the one you're thinking yeah another pilot pete this is there he has been there since day one i just can't imagine wanting to be on a beach with any of these men i would agree i just don't see that it's not like it was this the best that could be done everybody's taken he's cute but those earrings

have to go have to have to immediately know have to immediately i will defend the earrings but why i mean i'm a we're all brit love love there couldn't be two bigger brayden fans and yet the earrings are disgusting he's so cute and i just feel like the earrings i feel like he's had some of them are worse than others i will certainly concede that no i think i like that he's experimenting with jewelry i think he's in his discovery phase with jewelry. He's going to find the hair that works for him. Are these selenite? It's going to be hot and fun. Did you see the rubber duckies?

Yes. Those are fun. That deserved prison time. I just want to know where, what Etsy shop is supplying him with these assortment of... And we need to immediately put them out of business. They need to be arrested. I'm so sorry.

I agree. It's so bad. Now, granted, this show is edited. They don't edit the earrings on'm so sorry. I agree. It's so bad. Now, granted, the show is edited. They don't edit the earrings on him. No, I know. He's putting those on. Can you imagine these CGI earrings? I was transitioning to it.

Brayden's like, I've been trying to take them off, but they're still on every episode. I wasn't blaming the edit for Brayden's earrings. Stop cameras, stop down, and then they just put the earrings on him every time i wanted to talk about blake for a second i feel like blake is the perfect example of a guy who's trying to implement all the things that society and a lot of women out there in 2023 are saying how men should act. Oh. You know? Mm-hmm. And I honestly, like, I just.

He's pandering. I don't know about. I feel like Blake. Honestly, of all these guys, I've met Blake once. We had him on our show. Seemed lovely. I think he's a high character guy. I would be friends with.

If Blake was my neighbor, we'd be friends. You know? Like, if it was convenient. Yeah. And he does. If it was convenient yeah and he does convenient what is that like we're both adults he's out traveling the world like i don't know if blake showed up at my front door i would open the door and let him in but he

he's looking he's in his best shape of his life he looks good but like he's everyone he's he's his his bachelor reputation is that he is everyone's kind of backup there's even and no one really seems to like be have passion with him but he he's empathetic he is nice he is listen he's you know jess is like i think we should date other people's again maybe we maybe we should you know and to break credit i think he's like this episode he did a good job of being like all right well if you're gonna date I'm gonna date too but what is it where he's like is it just a little bit more swag a little bit more like fuck it like I think

he just needs to be like you know what fuck it no like he I don't does he need a little bit more dick in him and I don't mean like literal because that sounded like if you were my neighbor i'd give you what you need uh but what but i'm asking you ladies who are watching this show and like we're what you know we see all these ladies like you know it's like they like blake because they know they should like blake because he's nice and he is good looking but it's just like he's not what they want i think what's happening because the jess blake thing makes total sense to me and to put it into terms that jess would understand if she's listening is this is like joe alwyn and taylor swift and taylor swift is not able to be bejeweled with Joe Alwyn but she thinks

she wants to be with a Joe Alwyn type like sweet boy you know out of the media like all he wants is her and he's just like

sweet and nothing he gives her sweet nothings sweet and nothing and Jess is like very bejeweled literally she has glitter all over her body and she chooses Blake

who's like the most like white bread pragmatic yeah yeah earnest to a fault but she thinks she wants him but like that's not what you want just like you want uh you want tyler who did blake on a date with jenna jenna jenna jenna jenna jenna jenna jenna jenna jenna jenna jenna Genevieve not my name Genevieve sorry he's talking to Genevieve and he just talks to Genevieve just call her Jen call her Jen

talks to Jen and he's like he's talking to her and he's just like you know like you're like nice and you're pretty in a really interesting way

he's so like pretty in an interesting way I'm making up words kill me but he's just he's so like matter of fact about it it's not like he's like spitting But he's just, he's so like matter of fact about it.

It's not like he's like spitting game. He's thinking about his feelings about her and like community. That's how he's talking to her. It's just like, you know, you have like really nice brown hair and you're kind and you're generous. And he's like thinking out loud and interpreting her characteristics. And like, that's the game he's spitting. Meanwhile, Tyler, as corny as it might seem to all of us, he's like, I don't know what he said. Come on, you can't tell me you don't look in the mirror

and say I'm gorgeous. Yeah, whatever it was. That'll get your pussy wet. I got my pussy wet. Yeah, is that a vision? Oh, you have nice brown hair? Thanks? What am I supposed to do yeah it's like yeah it might it might seem corny when you're watching it back but to jess she would like love that where he was

just like you're fucking like beautiful and like because it excited her yeah and he just he said like that fuck it where it's just like and and blake's always gonna be like hey is it okay is everything can i can nobody wants that are you okay can is it okay you know like is it okay but that's you're right we shouldn't kiss right now you're right it's just we shouldn't do that that's the nature of dating right now too is like obviously consent is number one important and like making sure that somebody has equal feelings towards you before pursuing them but there is something exciting about somebody just telling you how they feel about you and like what they want to do to you versus being like, would you mind if I caressed your hair right now? Scary.

I will say every make out that I've watched on this Bachelor franchise has cringed me the fuck out. It makes me so uncomfortable. I can't watch it. But Jess and Tyler's make out, I was like, that's pretty hot. They did pretty good. That was a pretty good make out also Tanner cannot get the fuck over Davia's different colored eyes and I think

that's the only thing that he likes about her I'm like dude it's just a contact she has one blue one green she lost one of them she lost a green contact on her way down she's clumsy basically she's forgetful Tanner looks like a Tanner to me

I saw him on the screen for five seconds in that little top that little button up collared short sleeve and I was like Tanner yes immediate Tanner makes sense oh do we spill that tea

or no who's the girl who swept in and had a dinner date with Brayden Becca I'm gonna oh do we spill that tea or no oh my god what tea who's the girl who swept in and had a dinner date with Brayden Becca um well nothing really happened this episode so maybe next episode we'll spill that tea some shit went down what's a tea

that makes Brayden bad no Brayden actually to my knowledge comes because you know he's like a nurse right the one with the earrings wait does he have a tiktok probably probably have i seen him on tiktok being a nurse with those earrings on no that's i don't know if that's a tiktok he would have come up on my if he did why do i feel like where does he live San Diego. San Diego. Okay. I don't know why he looks like a doctor that I almost booked on ZocDoc.

ZocDoc. Shout out. We love ZocDoc. Love ZocDoc. Love ZocDoc. But like, he kind of looks like... Either I saw him on TikTok or I saw him on ZocDoc.

What is it to? TikTok, ZocDoc. Someone or something. I've seen him. I've seen him in those areas. Yeah, because they just showed Their tantric date Which

If anyone tried to feed me fucking oysters Like that First of all I would never eat it Second of all that was so foul The way they came on that platter And they were like trying to be so sexy Slurping I hate oysters

It's like swallowing a mouthful of cum yeah but worse worse what i disagree i disagree without the attaboy i just yeah i love it coastal girls we're coastal girls becca's compliment of brayden is that she likes his goofy eyes people are mean on this show why are people giving these weird compliments sure he does have goofy eyes but she said he looks like Johnny Depp so she made up for it

oh he loved that too he was laughing he was like everyone on the beach has been saying that that has not been in the edit I don't think we've heard anyone say that everyone's been telling me. Well, I'd rather have Brayden say he looks like Johnny Depp than fucking Sean tell me he looks like a Ken doll one more time.

Literally. Is that the one on the right? Yes. I knew it. He's gone. He's gone. Thank God. It was refreshing.

He's gone. Gone. So how do we feel about Kat telling Eliza that Charity said stay away from Aaron B? I actually have, I'm team Kat on that one. But you don't think it came too late? I think the timing was a little bit damning. And this could be something where the edit is like emphasizing it. But I think the fact that it's like she's only spreading this information when she feels like her world is being disruptive isn't a great look.

I think her approach, probably a D. But I think, does she have the right to tell her friend about some shit she heard to look out for her friend? Absolutely. Gemini behavior.

And she doesn't owe it to Aaron. Oh, Aaron, yeah. Per se. On the other hand, I feel like I don't really love Charity inserting herself in the storyline.

Charity dated the black guy. Yes. Aaron. Aaron. He was top three. Top three. He's the only one they had. We need some more chocolate on the show.

We need to insert some more chocolate on the show. There's Avon. Avon's there. He's very attractive. This is the original cast. They don't have a cast of like everyone who's coming they didn't want to spoil okay but he was like was he one of charity's like last picks fine he was he was top three but like it was pretty clear that she

never fucking then he came back yeah he like it's weird there was no chemistry and he just like defaulted into a top three slot and he was also also the whistleblower, like the one who like, he was like, there's guys who aren't here for the right reasons. Like early on. I'm not the biggest Aaron fan, but I do. I felt like he was done dirty this episode.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. Just like to have your character in question because some random fucking DM of some girl you dated for a couple months who reaches out to the current bachelorette charity and just been like he went on your show he broke up with me to go on your show I don't know why she had such a hard time understanding his story I felt like I understood it did was I the only one I think it was confusing for her because the rumor that she heard was about

the one ex-girlfriend and then when she sat him down and was like tell me about this he was like well yeah I had this one ex-girlfriend and then there was this other girl that i was dating off and on and she was saying that i was dating two people at once and then there was and she's like whoa i was just talking about how many see what i kind of heard maybe i didn't hear it correctly is i thought he was explaining why this is why it's not possible that i broke up with this person to go on the show because they start really doing their casting for the bachelorette towards the end of the year so like november december is when they start like me really meeting people and then like january february they'll i don't know if they still fly to people

la they stopped doing that in covid maybe they started it up again but they start that's what they do the tests and things like that when they narrow it down so when he was throwing out like these dates like i was dating her in november december. So when he was throwing out these dates, like how I was dating her in November, December, I felt like he was saying, I broke up with her in December and then I dated a whole nother girl. So I didn't break up with the first girlfriend to go on the show.

I literally had another girl in between. It's like I broke up with her to come on the show. Yeah. And she hasn't said anything. If I heard him correctly, I felt like I was, I was understanding what he was saying, having,

you know, been a part of that timeline or that casting process. This whole, like they broke up with me to go on the show. It happens all the time. Can we stop? It happens all the time. And like,

it's not because they didn't like you, but it's also like, did they break up with you? Or did you go on like three dates with this person? Cause I, I have a problem with like dating terminology of like, oh, they broke up with me. It's like, but you were never boyfriend and girlfriend. Like you just went on a few dates.

You didn't get broken up with. It just didn't work out. Like move on to the next person. You just stopped hanging out. Because God forbid the only reason someone left you is because they got to go on TV. It's not because of your personality. They're not attracted to you or all the many reasons why. No, it has to be because they got offered TV.

That's the only possible reason someone could have left you. Also, if I was in that situation, I would rather go to my grave than have anyone thinking that this motherfucker decided he wanted to go on TV to go on. I would go to my grave. How desperate are you? People who do this. I think you want to be to go on. I would go to my grave. How desperate are you? People who do this. I think you want to be on the show. Like you have to. Yeah.

You want the producers to reach out to you so you can be like, yes, I'm so heartbroken. I want to come on. Yeah. But you always look pathetic. Yeah. It looks bad.

It's not a good look. I also think Rachel, they brought another bachelorette down and she once again was like. They're doing Rachel dirty. Rachel saying is like, I just want someone to hang out with me. That was so sad. Not like I just want someone to love me. Like, don't we all?

To hang out with me. That's like full bare minimum. And then to watch Avon and Tyler, who are both her exes like just want so badly for her to be happy and to have been like talking so highly about like how happy she was when she came back with brayden like that just speaks volumes like rachel that her two exes just like want her to be happy more than anything i feel so bad for her yeah i was pretty annoyed that brayden went on that date. I was annoyed at how much fun he had.

I was annoyed he said yes. But Rachel just gets outshined again by another Bachelorette. And we know it's going to happen another time because we know Katie Thurston comes down. It's just sad. I just wish Charity wouldn't. Like, bring Charity down. Don't insert her in some, like, catty drama. When Kat called Charity her best friend, I was like, I don't think she's your best friend. I think she said one of my best

friends. I think she said my best friend. She said best friend. I also picked up on that. I was like, Brooklyn is her best friend. From that season, at least. I was like, it could be true. They could genuinely be close, but it also feels like it could be one of those situations where you're by association.

You know how you always talk about LA people who pick you up from the airport and are always in your orbit. Like I could totally see Kat kind of like the second charity got announced as Bachelorette, like really securing the friendship back. I have seen some TikToks with like Jess and Charity and Kat like all hanging out. So I feel like they're friends. No, I think they're definitely like friends. so I feel like they're friends. No, I think they're definitely friends. I think my question was more of like,

how much of this French, do you also really appreciate this perk of being associated with The Bachelorette? Not like it's fake or that they don't actually genuinely get along with one another. She's definitely calling dibs on The Bachelorette. I'm friends with The Bachelorette. Yeah, like pulling rank.

Charity Bachelorette is my best friend. Okay, wait. Can we go back to the john henry cat thing because why is kylie pushing this so much like why does she hate olivia still oh that's like kylie was orchestrating this leave that fucking girl alone well as much as i love olivia she is not not nosy and she'd mouse off and she shares her opinion. I love it, but I'm just saying if you're wondering why people she might rub someone the wrong way or

she might create enemies, I'm not shocked by that possibility. Yeah, it's not like she's Jess. No one can hate Jess. Yeah. She's like glitter and fun. It's just a bad PR look on Kylie.

Well, I wasn't sure if it was the kind of thing since Kylie and Kat are such good friends. If Kylie is just so fucking sick about hearing Kat complain or like talk shit about Tanner. She's like, John Henry. See, go. Why don't you shoot your shot with John Henry? Like really trying to be like next. Stop talking to me. Next.

No more Tanner. I was like, I don't want to be. I don't want to be pecked anymore. Like grab my ass. I was like. There you go. to be pecked anymore. Grab my ass. I was like, I feel that. There you go. See? Period.

Take charge. Take charge. Some real shit. Wait, I have a question. Yeah. Did you ever watch Nick's season? No. Smart.

I haven't watched any of his seasons of the show. I do remember a friend of mine, my best friend Chambliss, when we had first started talking, we went out to the bars one night and then I like crashed at her place. And she was like, oh, like, I'll just turn on something to go to sleep to. And she put on his season of Bachelor in Paradise. And I was like, oh, my God, I'm not going to turn this shit off. I was I asked because last night when my boyfriend I were watching, I was like, I can't imagine watching you or being in a house with you if you were like the bachelor I would burn the house down yeah there's no way so that's why when we talk about like these people being friends especially like when they've been on the same

season I get that you form ally ships with people on the show or alliances whatever but like these bitches are not my friends if I'm in the house and we're all talking first of all i wouldn't be in the house because i'm not i can't that's not absolutely no i can't but we're all trying to talk to the same man you are not my friend you are my enemy you need to leave i am getting the final rose that's how i would maybe you sound like cat well well that's why i identify with her cat's the only real person on the beach maybe maybe did she say none of these bitches are my friends no oh but she certainly acts like it she's basically like when she has her eyes on a guy she's like fuck anyone else yeah if she and aven like vibed

i wonder if she would oh i bet she would I don't know because maybe that would be too far because like she and Kylie do seem very close but I'm like the fact that you wonder is I think a testament to the fact

she's a go-getter Kat just seems like the girl who was never told no as a child like ever I wonder if she's an only child an only child and a Gemini oh god

oh no there's a lot going on there. But I will say, I've been thinking when I am ready to get pregnant, I'm planning it around stars. Because I'm not having a Gemini child. What do you think is the best? Scorpio.

Are you a Scorpio? Yeah. I love Scorpios. But then I also love Virgos, but I'm a rising Virgo also. You had no reaction to me being a Libra. Well, Libras are boring. Libras are boring.

Balanced, like fun. No, I have a lot of great Libras in my life. Yeah. Libra men are very specific. Very specific. I am very specific they're very specific guys but very lovable that's probably the best way to describe me specific it's really should put that in your bio also specific Nick also so um Halloween obviously was last week. Last week. Yeah. And I really realized that Nick

loves answering the door for the children. Oh. And like if I, like there was one we got home from, we were like, we gotta get home.

Like it's getting dark. The kids are gonna start ringing. We didn't leave the candy out. We gotta get home. And so we get home. He's like, all right, you do this. I'm gonna take the dogs out

to go pee. Like blah, blah, blah. So he's in the backyard with the dogs and a kid knocks on the door. So I'm like, oh,'m gonna take the dogs out to go pee like blah blah so as he's in the backyard with the dogs and a kid knocks on the door so i'm like oh so i take the candy out and give him candy really cute and then five minutes later nick comes inside and you missed it he missed it and i'm like oh a kid like knocked on the door and he's like all right all right where's the candy and i'm like no no that i actually already got it he He's like, you did? Yeah. He looked so sad. We've got to prepare.

Okay, like he picks up, he holds Steve, the puppy, and then he has Jeff and then he's got the bowl of candy and he's like, what are you? I love your bumblebee costume. Like he loves answering the door. I thought of you this Halloween

because last Halloween we were talking about some like work thing and then you were like, I'm so sorry, I got to go for a second and like clearly had placed the phone down but not muted yourself and i just hear you like walk over the door open it and go cinderella it was like you're like you can take more than one it was the cutest thing ever like it is like seared in my memory i will always yeah i will always think of you on halloween what's the appropriate age to like take your kid trick or

treating because everyone's like been like this is gonna be you next year and i'm like no i'm like roll like she'll be like what i'm like i don't know if i want to like knock on all my neighbor's doors to get a bunch of candy that i definitely don't need for my one year old obviously definitely not gonna go to our however yeah but you're gonna want to dress her up and you're gonna want to show it off yeah yeah that's the point you want to show the costume off but it's like the like we had a trick-or-treater who it was a dad the mom was filming and he's holding the son the babies like truly maybe three months old and he's got the the basket of candy and he's picking the candy and i'm like i feel like this i'm gonna be honest is for you did you say that to him yeah and he's like uh no trick-or- be honest, is for you. Stop. It's for you. Did you say that to him? Yeah. And he's like, uh, no.

He's like, trick or treat. I love Snickers. How old were you when you stopped trick or treating? Like, I don't know if I went when I was 12. Freshman year of high school, I went. I never got to trick or treat until I was 13. Why? That was my first time.

My family, my grandma is like super religious. Oh, so like not the witching hour. No. So we could do harvest night at church, My grandma is like super religious. Oh, so like not the witching hour. No. So we could do harvest night at church, which is the same shit as Halloween. Everybody dresses up in costumes and there's candy and there's games and they call it harvest night or like fall fest. It was Halloween, but I just never did. And my grandma would always like make it a thing.

She's always like stayed with us. She doesn't live with us full time, but she would stay like throughout the fall season because it was like my birthday and then thanksgiving and then christmas so she would always be there for halloween so like the idea that i was gonna like watch i still have never seen hocus pocus i've never seen beetlejuice i've never watched harry potter there's a lot i know it's shocking and like i still want i want to and yet you're so edgy i really am like you had like a good childhood yeah okay i did but only because i wasn't like as into it as she was like i still i still had like a worldly secular mindset yeah i was always like diving into the little things that she i didn't know about like true crime i was watching true crime when i was like

10 but yeah but I still I mean when I did finally go trick-or-treating I dressed up as a bumblebee and I had the best time I was bumblebee once too it was so fun yeah that is fun Natalie how old were you when you stopped trick-or-treating I was probably 15 I don't know yeah I feel like I start drinking with your friends yeah I knew I was too old but I just wanted the candy Yeah that's how like me Me and my brother would take pillowcases Yes pillowcases

Those were the days And we would do like laps Change costumes, come back We were definitely dumping the bowl Oh boy So sorry When did you start? bowl you stole no one had ring doorbell cameras then it's like no one but it's the principle of the thing it said take one

natalie natalie okay well i was a take one of course of course of course nick followed every fucking rule. He was the best kid. He did nothing wrong. I literally was like, did you do any, he's like, I literally woke up every morning,

prayed on the rosary, and then complimented my mother. And I'm like, I believe that. You 100% did. Well, meanwhile, I'm like coming back from sneaking out and I hang out with boys

like crawling through my window. Yeah, smoking cigarettes. Smoking cigs in the back. I didn't say the whole rosary. I would say a morning prayer, and then I would tell my mom she's beautiful, and I'd go to school. And you got to trick-or-treat?

Yeah. That's very pure. I wish. My grandma was like, that's the devil. Everything is the devil. Well, she's Jamaican, so I don't know why I gave her a Southern accent. No, but I do relate to that.

Michael Jackson, Prince, I was all told they were the devil. My grandma said Spongebob was the devil. But I was like, I'm drawing the line at Spongebob. I will be watching. I have a lot of memories of my grandma telling me things and people were the devil. Everything's the devil.

Everything. I was like, oh, wow. It's nice to me. That's how it works. They're kind of talented, yeah. Kami, thank you so much for finally coming on thank you i'm so glad can we do this again sooner than later yes i just don't know when do you watch love is blind yes are you kidding me is there a new season coming soon no probably like in six months i'm guessing because the one just ended i think love is blind

is the um it's like the national anthem for catfishers oh yeah of course i think everyone who catfishes fucking loves love is blind because the premise is like yeah see like it looks like it can work can work look at all these people falling in love, getting married. They've never met in person. It can work. Yeah. I mean, it can, it can. I just wouldn't advise it.

Maybe that's the future. Cause the future AI people are going to be, people are one day going to be able to get married without ever having met in person. I think they do it now. Have there been cat? I mean, prison system. People get married all the time.

True. But have you ever had a catfish episode where someone got married without ever meeting? No. Is that even legal? Not married, but proposals. We've had proposals for people who have met in virtual online avatar games,

like IMVU. People can get proposed to and engaged on there and we've met them in real life and they're like yeah we're engaged and we're like because you sent them a digital ring for like 50 tokens on a fucking website but they're like yeah we're engaged my fiance damn yeah runs deep runs deep stay vigilant out there yeah Kami, please let my audience know where they can find you. You can find me on all social media at Kami Crawford,

K-A-M-I-E, Crawford, Catfish, every Tuesday at 8, 7 central. Right? Yes. MTV is going to be like this bitch. And then my podcast, Relationship.

We're on hiatus right now, but we will be back. Yes. And Nick's been on. I have. I was one of your first, I feel like you were literally first week damn i know and it took this fucking long for me to get here but i'm here asking i'm here yeah thank god thank god well thanks for listening guys do not forget to tune in tomorrow again it's tomorrow going deeper is tomorrow wednesday not thursday get ready put on your seatbelt because it is a bumpy ride. We got Lindsay Hubbard talking about her breakup with Carl. If you think you've heard it all, I can promise you, you have not. I can't wait. See you tomorrow. Bye. you