The Viall Files - E667 Reality Recap - Traylor in Argentina, Mahomes for Skims, Golden Bachelor and BIP with Wells Adams

Episode Date: November 14, 2023

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap Edition! Today we are joined by Wells Adams to talk about all things reality TV. First, we talk about Travis going to Taylor’s show in Argentina, the Mahomes family posing for Skims, and Wells’ No Bad Edits Theory. Then, we discuss Bachelor in Paradise and what Wells thinks about the couples on the beach, Becca’s sudden exit, and Aaron’s ex spreading rumors. Finally, we discuss the Golden Bachelor Women Tell All and Faith’s emotional exit.  “Why are we talking about Reddit in Paradise?” Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Join us for our new LIVE show on Thursdays at 9PM ET/6PM PT on Amp, available in the Apple app store. Android User? Listen here: https://www.onamp.com/   To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Canva - Collaborate with Canva for Teams! Right now, you can get a FREE 45-day extended trial when you go to Canva.me/VIALL  Firstleaf - Find the wine you’ll love this holiday season with FirstLeaf. Go to https://www.TryFirstleaf.com/VIALL to sign up and you’ll get your first SIX hand-curated bottles for just $44.95. Lume Deodorant - Control Body Odor ANYWHERE with @lumedeodorant and get $5 off off your Starter Pack (that’s over 40% off) with promo code VIALL at https://www.lumedeodorant.com #lumepod Uncommon Goods - To get 15% off your next gift, go to https://www.UNCOMMONGOODS.com/VIALL Don’t miss out on this limited time offer! Uncommon Goods. We’re all out of the ordinary.  Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @wellsadams @nnataliejjoy @alison.vandam @liffordthebigreddog @dereklanerussell @genevievegoodman  

what's going on everybody welcome back to a new and exciting episode of the vile files reality recap edition i'm your host nick joined by Joined by the household, which is, well, some here, some remote. We got Amanda in New York. Allie's in her home in St. Paul. Our lovely pop culture correspondent and my fiancee, Natalie Joy. And Justin is running the controls today. And our special guest, the one, the only, returning to the show,

Wells Adams! Yeah! The crowd goes crazy. How you doing, buddy? I'm doing good. I feel like I was just here. Not too long ago. Yeah, so I feel very honored.

Prior to... Paradise. Prior to Paradise. Yeah. And then you were like, I should come on when Paradise is actually on. And I'm like, yeah, for sure.

I'm gonna fuck back, man. Like, you know, friend of show. And friend. And friend of show. That's right. Yeah. And then you were like, I should come on when Paradise is actually on. And I'm like, yeah, for sure. I'm gonna fuck back, man. Like, you know, friend of show. And friend. And friend of show. That's right. Yeah, so you can come on more, man. Okay.

Yeah. Everyone loves it when you're here. Especially me. Especially me. What's new? I've been on a wedding gauntlet and I'm so tired of having friends. I don't like,

I like, we're gonna go to, I think, 11 weddings this year. I don't know. Is ours one of them? Are you going to make it? Yes, but I'm not even counting your guys' because we just got that save the day. So this is calendar

year? Yeah, calendar year. 2023. Yeah, I've got another one this weekend and then another one in a week after that. And I was thinking about it. I was like, I don't even like 11 people, let alone 22 people. See?

Yeah, oh my God, it's so true. That's a benefit, babe, of not having as many friends as well. Yeah, apparently. And then Mari and Kenny just got married. Did you go to that? No, but they invited us to it and it was in Puerto Rico.

And I'd never been to Puerto Rico. So there was a part of me that was like, I gotta go to it and it was in um puerto rico and i'd never been to puerto rico so there was a part of me that was like i gotta go to this i want to see no i've never been to puerto rico as well yeah and it's you know it's american so you don't even have to have your passport to go there you don't even need your passport i don't think so just a driver's license yeah wow so but anyways i didn't go to that but yeah um everything's been great um and hanging out the strike's over so that's great talking about your to that but yeah um everything's been great um and hanging out the strike's over so that's great talking about your favorite movies yeah yeah it's great let me tell you about barbie you can send your wife back to work now exactly that's like get a little tight

over there at the adams house sold uh we're having a budget over there no more ramen noodles yeah um it's also weird too because i'm sag as well and so not that it really matters but uh you know it's it's nice that like things might be getting going again but it's weird because in hollywood you know everything shuts down during the holidays yeah nothing gets done in november and december so this thing couldn't have ended at a worse time because it's like no one's gonna make anything there's a slow time so it's like we'll just we'll see you in march everybody so it's a good time to be able to talk about my movie that came out right when the strike started you have a movie it's called the list so you play yourself i play myself uh what's what's on the list uh who's on the list is it a

rom-com yeah let me tell you what i think it is yeah yeah there we go this is what i think it is i think it's a rom-com and i think that the protagonist a young very attractive lady before she gets married she has to go and meet up with everyone that was on her list and hook up with them before she can finally settle down and nick is one of those people that's on her list. Close. Okay. It's pretty close. Yes.

Yeah. Starring Halston Sage. Cool. And I think she gets broken up with. Okay. And she is trying to hook up with her celebrity list. Yeah. It's like, this person's on my list, so it doesn't count.

Yeah. And then it's like, well, who's on your list? And then look, there's Nick at a bar. And she runs to me like the guy from The Bachelor. What number on the list do you think you were? I don't think I'm on the list. I'm like, I was a celebrity sighting at a bar, and I was as good of an option as any.

Did you have to do an on-screen kiss? No. After her fiance sleeps with a celebrity on his free pass list, Abby Myers, with nothing but five names and a fantasy shared by millions, sets out for Los Angeles to sleep with someone from hers. Wow. It's a great movie. Who's on your list?

Natalie Troye. Well, I know, but you can have a celebrity. Yeah. What about you? I don't really have one. Yes, you do. I really don't. Okay, Natalie, who's on your list?

Steve Harvey. No, you do. Steve Harvey. No, he is definitely on my list. It's true. Have you ever been to a taping of... No, that's like a dream of mine. It's so funny because I did it twice.

Oh. I've done it zero times. Really? We were supposed to do it together that one time. I won fast money once. But also one of the questions was zero to 10, how good are you at driving or something? And I said zero.

And Steve Harvey's like, that wasn't even one of the options, it was one to 10. So I got zero points for that. But Steve Harvey's amazing. So in commercial breaks, he does stand up. Yeah.

And on the ticket it says like, this is an adult show. Do not bring kids because he does like graphic. Does he? Really dirty jokes during the commercial break. It's really, really fun. Oh my gosh. We have to go. Well, someday maybe they'll.

If we can't get on, we just need to get in the audience. You know, we were supposed to do with the Kardashians. Oh, that's right. We got bummed for Kanye. That's right. I forgot aboutmed for Kanye. That's right. I forgot about that. No. Okay, so Steve Harvey's on your list.

This is amazing. Yeah. Who else? You know, just like Brad Pitt, like the typical. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, obviously. Brad Pitt's also on my list. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Who's on your list? Like, back in the day. Okay. It's funny because I have a i have a total type but it was mila kunis very much a type natalie portman okay yeah okay yeah i like i like tiny little and and i honestly think like season one and two

and three of Modern Family I was like dude the Haley chick's hot the Haley chick the Haley chick's hot yeah

got it come on you got you can be honest Salma Hayek back in the day was oh yeah by the way

so I just went to this baby to baby event and she was like the keynote speaker you don't need to say back in the day still got it still got it still got it good for her yeah that's hot yeah yeah i'm high that's all you got that was like

what uh yeah desperado yeah yeah oh yeah oh yeah we should watch death okay maybe i'll let you watch that on your own time. Light some candles. Yeah, I'll let you relive that moment alone. Get some lotion and some tissues. You'll be fine. Wait, which animated character is on your list? What do you think is the hottest cartoon? Interesting.

Belle. Yeah, Belle's a good one. Ariel's pretty hot. Oh, I can tell you who um in Robin Hood with the foxes made Marian Fox is pretty hot okay

Tinkerbell yeah which Disney character would you fuck well is that weird kind of I didn't ask the question anyway um dizzy character, would you fuck well? Is that weird? Kind of. I didn't ask the question. Anyway. Cut all of this.

No, no, no, no, no, no. Taylor and Travis taking their next steps. Did you see that hot make? Are you following this at all, Wells? Of course. You can't get away from it. I used to think it was not real. It seems very real.

I saw that video of her coming off stage and running into his arms. Running into his arms. Big ol' make out. And then ducking into the tent to continue that tongue action. Yeah. And there was like a... Her dad kind of set it up. There was another video of like he was waiting

inside of the tent with pops. And her pops kind of guided Travis outside of the tent. He's like, you just kind of stand here. It was like a very almost sweet moment of her dad being like, she doesn't need to see me. You came all the way down. It's your bi-week.

Why don't you be the one to greet our queen? And he kind of put him out on the platform by himself and dad went back into the tent so Travis could have his moment. Like everyone's all in the fam, the families are all in. Everyone's all in.

She's running to him. He's coming down on the bi-week. It's a, have you ever, have you ever met her or been around her? Yeah. She's very tall, like really,

really tall. So this is like kind of the perfect guy for, and if they have kids, they're going to be. Athletes and musicians. Yeah. Just oozing with talent. Yeah.

Yeah. At first I was like, is this a publicity stunt? Or like, I'm not sure if I believe this. But now I'm into it now. I know she's a pro. And I know like, obviously, you know, you never want to like become irrelevant. But does Taylor Swift at this point in her life need to fake an entire relationship no i don't the one of the one of the conspiracy theories i heard which i which i thought was great um was that she went to the jets game i don't know if

you remember that and she brought like everyone like bradley cooper and i don't know jared little whoever else was there ryan reynolds i think and the conspiracy theory was that she went to the jets game because if you used to google taylor swift and jet it would show like how much she uses her airplane and like how it's like you know bad for the environment and now if you google it it's her at the game which is probably not what happened but but also if it was super Machiavellian, I love that. But like that also happened with like, you know,

Disney, there was this whole conspiracy theory that Walt Disney had, had frozen himself. So he could possibly be like, yeah, whatever, like put back into the body when science got there. And so that's why,

and so that's why they made the movie Frozen because now if you google Disney Frozen that's what comes up What? That is insane. Which I could totally believe that because that story is based on whatever old tale is and it's not called Frozen

the original was not called Frozen But is it that bad to freeze yourself? Like against the law? Is it a bad to freeze yourself? Like against the law? Is it a bad look? Is it bad for your brand? Yeah, who told you that? There's so much weird, cool Disney history.

So if you ever go to Disneyland, so my wife is like a Disney adult, which is like a real thing. It's kind of terrifying. Does she wish that you proposed at Disney? No. Not that far. But like when we go to Disneyland, she's like, there's shows where it's kind of terrifying. Does she wish that you proposed at Disney? No. Okay.

Not that far. But like when we go to Disneyland, she's like, there's shows where all the hidden Mickeys are and stuff. And one of my favorite things is if you ever talk to anybody and ask for like directions, they point with two fingers to places. And that's because Walt was an avid smoker.

And so he would always have a cigarette in his hand and he'd be pointing around and so they've taken all those pictures of him like pointing and stuff and they've edited out the cigarette that's wild Walt do you wear skims?

no but they do we promote them on our show so I heard that they've got guy stuff now. It's great. Really? You got it? Oh, yeah.

Okay. Really fantastic underwear. The thing is, is that they're like, you can choose whatever you want. And so Sarah's like, I want that. I've never gotten to get it because she takes my promo code or whatever. Do you have a rival? Do you have someone like you would hate, you don't like? You don't have to name them. You don't have to name them.

You don't have to name them. Make it simple, yes or no. No, I don't think so. Oh, you don't? Okay. Do you? So many. No.

Steve Harvey? Yeah. You may not know, but... No, because a lot of Taylor Swift fans are freaking out over Brittany Mahomes' Skims campaign that she did. She dropped last week. Yeah.

With her husband, Patrick. Yeah. And her kids. And Taylor Swift fans are freaking out over it. And they're like crucifying Brittany again. And I feel like people just need to back off. Because how do we even know that she did this campaign after her and Taylor became friends? There's too many questions.

Also, do we think Taylor even cares at this point? So, okay, hold on. Let me see if I can wrap my brain around this. The Taylor Swift fans are angry at Brittany Mahomes because she's aligning with a Kim Kardashian thing and Kanye did terrible things to Taylor. Yes.

Effectively. And Kim and kim you know wasn't super nice to taylor as well and this was how long ago about seven years ago ish where they had their big rivalry i think it was around yeah like 2016 when kim originally posted the clip of kanye having the phone conversation with taylor and then kim tweeted it's national snake day and then had all of her followers comment snakes on all of Taylor's stuff. She said she was a snake. Yeah, I mean it was definitely bad, but I just

feel like at this point, one, Taylor might be irritated, but we, again, don't even know when Brittany Mahomes shot this. And two, let's just see if Taylor's mad first before we start crucifying Brittany Mahomes well Taylor would never publicly like say anything about no but if she was that upset about it she could

distance herself a friend of mine is good friends with Taylor and I've asked her about like Brittany and like Taylor really brought Brittany in like so when they when they all met I think Taylor kind of empathize with Brittany if if you don't know much about Brittany, she's been controversial mostly because of Patrick, my home's brother. Yeah. Uh, and she's almost gotten a lot of shrapnel almost in a way of like online attacks just because of his brother and, and all sorts of things. And I think she's just in a tough spot being, you know, stuck inansas city and like having almost no privacy you're you're married to patrick mahomes the star of the nfl in a small town a small city like kansas city and i think britney really just empathized with her and almost brought her into the girl

group and i think that's why a lot of her fans are upset but again i just feel like taylor's gonna be friends with people who aren't necessarily diehard fans. Right. Like she's going to be friends with people who she feels like are her equal. And maybe Brittany Mahomes didn't even know of this rivalry. You know, maybe she just got like a small talking to like, hey, like, I don't know, like no big deal. But like, yeah, it was kind of weird. Also, if it was an issue, I'd be like, hey, Taylor, they pay me a million dollars. I don't know. I don't know how good friends you think we are

you're not a million dollar right that's another thing too it's just like i don't think taylor swift is going to tell britney mahomes to not yeah you know make a little cash and do we even know if taylor and and kim are still rivals like maybe they've made up maybe kim has reached out behind the scenes been like yeah sorry i was just trying to be a good wife back in the day and I kind of lost my way. And I was this kind of team Kanye back then. But obviously, Kim has separated herself from Kanye. So we have no idea. So before we start throwing grenades towards Brittany Mahomes, I think maybe we should just give her some grace and follow Taylor's lead. grace and follow taylor's lead i mean i guess but it's just like it's definitely you know a coincidence with just how close they are and then she's bad timing it's in the photo right next to the skims ad is like her with taylor drinking champagne and it's like i just think she baby how many times have not to this degree have something happened between us on the internet where we were like, oh, fuck, like a dumb accident, like some kind of post, some type of

caption that we didn't realize and some audience member like, oh my, you know what I'm saying? We have posted things and regretted it because the internet jumped all over it. I'm just saying. Like, do you think it was, I think it was just an accident rather than Brittany Mahomes knew about it. You don't think so? Maybe. You seem to think that this is a bigger deal than we seem to think it is.

Yeah. Well, I just think that the stuff that Kim was involved in was just so nasty towards Taylor that it's like, it wasn't just like she said some shit about her at some interview, like for Us Weekly. She did some pretty gnarly shit to her. So it's like,

you know, I don't know, a little messy. Did you see that Taylor's father was wearing a Chiefs lanyard? I did see that. At the game? Or at the concert?

Yeah. So he's like besties with Travis. He's fully embracing it. I mean, I just hope for both their sake, they are deeply both in love because this could only end badly for Travis if it doesn't work out. Yeah, no one's been able to like break up with her

and come out unscathed, right? Yeah. And she seems super in love. I mean, the internet lost their mind yesterday watching Taylor run to Travis. And everyone's looked at her past relationships. Joe, her last boyfriend, was hiding at one of his concerts. There's these stats of how many concerts Joe went to versus Travis. Travis has already went to two versus Joe's's one and they did it for how many years and just how great he's

coming across that if it doesn't work i mean it's it's great now but he's there's a lot of pressure on this relationship all of a sudden for it to yeah people are already calling for like engagements people are suggesting that they're going to be engaged early next year. Maybe. Maybe. You know, at this point, like when you're, you know, sometimes when you're in your early mid thirties and you've had a few relationships, when you meet the right person, you kind of you're like, fuck it.

I know this is what I want. You dive right in. I just hope it works out. I mean, I think it will. I think that's why it resonates with people so much is because Taylor has been publicly in the dating trenches. And so it's like she's so much more, I think,

deserving of a happy ending because you've seen her kind of go through that in a way that a lot of modern daters do. No, Taylor is all of us. Taylor is all of us. Truly. I wonder if, like I talked to a Chiefs fan recently

and I was like, do you love this or hate this? And they're like, I hate this. Like a diehard Chiefs fan? Yes. And you know, it's just like,

nothing good can come of this. Like this is just going to be a distraction, yada, yada, yada. But he's playing great. Yeah. You know? Did you see he trademarked his,

all right, no. He trademarked that. I'm telling you, he's no idiot. Yeah. No. He he trademarked his, all right, now he trademarked that. Telling you, he's no idiot. Yeah. No, he's, he's doing very well for him.

He's going to be like the next John Cena watch. Like he's going to be in movies and it's going to be a thing. Arnold Schwarzenegger. Yeah. You think he's a leading man? I think he's like Cena or the rock where he could be leading man, but he could also, he's funny enough that he can be comic relief.

If you write well enough for him, he'll kill. I mean, he's hosted SNL. Yeah. So he's got those acting chops. Yeah, it's no secret in the industry that's what he wants to go do, is be in movies. All right, moving on to some Bravo stuff. What is this?

I'm seeing Carl Radke wasn't in Cahoots with Summer House producers. Of course he's not going to admit that. Wait, what does that even make sense? So what, the producers just like caught wind that there might be a breakup and then showed up at his door? They wanted to capture a conversation after the fight so they could continue moving forward

after things were left in a rocky place on Sunday. Who leaked this? A source. A source. Cast members don't decide when cameras go up. Producers would never be in cahoots against Lindsay, our source says. If Carl called up and said, hey, I'm going to break up with Lindsay, do you guys want to film it? They would be like, thank you, please.

Yes. When can we come? Do you think this is in response to our interview with Lindsay? Gotta be. People are commenting on our video saying, have Carl on the show. Oh, we would love Carl on the show. I heard some stuff that Bravo wasn't too pleased with Lindsay's interview with us, which I'm surprised to hear. I mean, I'm not super surprised to hear. I'm disappointed. I'm not mad. I'm just disappointed. I think Lindsay did Bravo a huge favor. Because think about Scandival. Like, how many podcasts, like, Scandival did

Howie Mendel's, Ariana did a podcast. We had many of the cast on to talk about the scandal. And all that did was create record ratings for Vanderpump. Like, not a single person who was going to watch the reunion on Vanderpump or who was planning on watching Summer House is not going to watch now because they listened to Lindsay or heard all the people on Vanderpump do podcasts. All it did was create more interest. It actually just took that story and catapulted it into mainstream media. And more and more people were talking about it, which is why Scandival became such a big storyline because it grew outside of the bubble

that is Bravo Nation. And so now that Lindsay's out there telling her story, literally millions of people heard her interview. And it got all this press and more and more people, not a single person who was going to watch that episode of Carl breaking up withsey is not gonna not watch and now that many more people are interested in so i think you're welcome i think lindsey should just say you're welcome bravo and bravo maybe should just say thank you also now we we get to see like how it unfolds like part many people

in lindsey's cast have suggested that uh it will make sense when we watch this season now like well is lindsey you know did she tell an accurate story versus what we're going to see now i'm that much more interested to watch to see like all right well does her story match up with what we watched and what's carl gonna say it just creates more and more interest to get these conversations out there but But it is a good point, though, because so often with reality TV, like we talk so much about the edit, so to speak, and podcasts are kind of like the opportunity to speak in a completely different context where you get to almost respond to that and control your own narrative. Yeah. So I don't know why I feel like these shows need to embrace getting these stories out into pop culture and having these conversations out, you know, more because it only creates more interest in their shows.

Like Vanderpump was going the wrong direction before a story that everyone was interested in and couldn't talk enough about. And again, all it did was create record ratings for them. So they should just follow that playbook and you know get more of the story out there wells i got a question before you get into bachelor uh you said i don't think maybe on a podcast or maybe your podcast hannah brown's hannah brown's podcast that there's no such thing as a bad edit i said i don't really believe in that what does that mean okay we were really talking about like who should go on the show and who shouldn't go on the show. And what I was talking about was, I think that you really shouldn't go on a show like that. If you don't really know who you are, like if you're not super comfortable with like who you are as a person. What I tend to find is when someone doesn't really know who they are or they haven't like kind of like emotionally evolved or matured to like be really comfortable with who they are when they go on a show like that, they get really scared about how they're going to look. So they start pretending to be the thing that they think they're supposed to be.

And then that just comes across as like super inauthentic. And I think the American public has been watching so much reality over the years that they can smell that out from a mile away. And then that comes across as villainous because they're not being true to themselves. That was kind of what I was saying about it. I mean, yes, of course, you can Franken bite a sound, a sound clip to make it seem like someone said something or they can take a clip of like you getting up and looking like you're leaving in anger but really you were going to the bathroom or something like that like i totally get that but the like creating a villain out of nothing is i think a really hard thing to do because at the end of the day you you do need to have the the video physical evidence of it happening you think it's hard for the show to create a villain out of nothing. Yeah. Have you met Thomas? Becca? Yeah, of course. And I loved him.

Yeah. And yeah, he was called a narcissist. For sure. But he was called a terrible person. But he did say that stuff about like, I thought about that I could become the Bachelor next. He got asked a question by his cast mates and it was positioned and framed in a way that made him come across with the help of music yeah um to make it seem like his intentions were to become the bachelor not to

date katie he said something that he shouldn't have said even though maybe everyone's thinking no i get all that but so but that's the thing like yeah of course like with i guess sound and like editing around things but he did say that thing and then people were able to jump on that and so that's what i'm saying is like it wasn't that they were able to like franken bite some audio of him saying that but he never actually said it and that was the genesis of his like villain edit was that he was there for the wrong reasons because really he wanted to become the bachelor yeah but which was just factually untrue and the show made it seem like that was true which is like the point of it like that that's a bad edit yeah i i think that like you're taking what i'm saying out of

context what i was saying is like listen if you're go on the show, I really think it's important for you to know who you are. Because there's a lot of people in there that like they're like, listen, I'm going to say it this way because I think that that's going to look good on TV. And then it like you're like, oh, that's. I think you and I are 90 percent in agreement with this because I agree with everything you're saying, too. And no one has. Well, I don't know. Maybe no one. too and no one has well i don't know maybe no one but i have been always very outspoken that i think the vast majority of the people who go on these types of shows like the bachelor love is blind

conveniently will blame producers and the edit when they don't like how they come across yeah and i would say most of the time that's just a convenient excuse yeah that being said there have been people severely thrown under the bus and have been on the wrong side of a bad edit and an intense scene, so to speak, where they face the wrath of an audience unfairly. Yeah. And the other way around too, there have been people who have been made to look so much better than they

really are. I have gone on record to say, I think there are more people are beneficiaries of a good edit than a bad edit without question. I would say that too. Yeah. And I would say like to put a put a bow on it also what i like about paradise is for a lot of people who do get like bad edits or look bad it generally is a redemption story for them like they get to

come in thomas is a great example of that like he had this kind of great character arc of like being this bad guy and then like end up everyone falling in love with them vis-a-vis this relationship with becca but yeah i i i agree with you but that's not really what i was saying what i was saying was i think it's important for you before you expose yourself in a show like that really really know who you are and like what you stand for because if you don't know that then you're gonna watch it back and be like that's not me and then be like i got edited badly and that's what we agree talking about. I agree with that. Maybe the headline was mischaracterized. Of course.

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of a partner as she comes across? Because she comes across like she would be dangerous to date. Yeah, I don't know if I think that she's like so villainous.

But she is doing those things. Like she is, like Brayden comes up with this term homie hopping which is like that's such a great term and she does do that you know i don't mind her homie hopping that's paradise in fact sure i i'm a little what i don't like about this season is the fact that we're this far into the season and there's still a ton of homie hopping happening where it's just like and it's so surprisingly accepted by the cast for everyone it's like this all of a sudden like rachel and tanner what the what where huh

like where where is this i mean i'm not invested this came out of nowhere like what is going on here we're too late in the season to try to wrap our brain around this relationship. That being said, my biggest thing with Kat is her reactiveness and just how quick she is to use words like toxic men and narcissist when she's the one demonstrating that kind of behavior and that lack of self-awareness and reactiveness, I think is dangerous to date. I think if you are a reactive person who's quick to name call and have no self-awareness, like you shouldn't be in a relationship with someone. You're the toxic one and you're dangerous to date. And if I had a buddy who was liking someone who demonstrated the characteristic that Kat is demonstrating in the show,

I would say that's danger is demonstrating on the show i would say you it's she's you shouldn't that's that's that's danger you're asking for it it's a little harsh yeah i mean that's how i feel listen i i think that she was into john henry like it was well known um or at least she had to come and told me that like i'm kind of into the diver like he's pretty hot like that you know it wasn't like kind of out of the blue or like spiteful or like the only guy left i can date i mean she was uh he was on her uh alternate alternate list yeah yeah i mean i love cat i mean as television she's fantastic but both olivia and cat are so good as just like um narrators of the show and i i will say this like i wonder because a lot of people go on those shows and they're able to have like self-reflection of like okay i can see it now and i wonder if there are some things that cats like i can see like there are some things i

could do better yeah um or like I'm contradicting myself or like it's ironic that I'm saying this you know in I'm saying this and doing this you know have you talked to any of the cast at all like since filming like is Kat someone you've communicated with at all do you know if she was like worried about how things would like when she got done filming which did she have any awareness that this is how it was going to go yeah i think that some people are not super pumped with like how it's coming across but like also it's not over yet like i think that you know you got to see the forest for the trees and everyone's story is going to evolve and change and also like some of the best

relationships that have come out of paradise they did have like really rough patches you know and that makes you more invested in it especially at the end with the relationships that come out of this season so i i would say like everyone just like chill out and keep watching the show like things are going to change you your opinion might be different at the end than it is right now. But yeah, I, I, her breakup with Tanner, I thought was so amazing TV gold. It was like, it was like, first of all, Tanner comes, comes at it with like the, it's not me, it's you, which is like, never heard that in paradise. That's amazing.

Chef's kiss. And then she, she went into the the you can't dump me i dump you it's like this is an insane breakup like if i if you ask kat uh i'd bet money on the fact that no one's ever broken up with her yeah yeah i think she said that yeah yeah um so anyways i i i love every this entire cast i love everybody there's not one known person who I'm like, oh, they're annoying or whatever. I wish everyone the best. And it's amazing to me that we've gotten to a point

where like the two most outspoken, like kind of polarizing figures are now going after the same guy. Yeah. I wanted to ask you about something. Amanda, can you bring this, can you call this back? It's that tweet about, aven tweeted about olivia okay so what do you make of remember when aven's tweet give a night one elimination some meaningless screen time and they start to think they can just

say anything that was an interesting tweet did you you didn't see that and i saw i don't really understand it so it seemed like olivia was i don't know saying something olivia was mad that kylie was encouraging cat to kiss john henry yeah after this was last week's episode okay after um john henry and olivia they had their little chat right beside them remember that yeah and kylie was talking to cat and she's like you just need to kiss him like who cares and so olivia tweeted something negative about kylie and aven said you give a night one give a night one elimination some meaningless screen time and they start to think they can just say anything oh yeah so olivia said that no. So Avin, you know, top three on Rachel and Gabby's season.

Okay. Ooh. A mainstay. And he is kind of mouthing off towards Olivia who on what her respective season

went home night one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then she had that like amazing soundbite of like, well, he sent you home after he got to know you or something.

Yes. Yes. So I find this tweet really interesting in the sense that, well, I think Avin definitely takes the loss here. Like, I don't know what he was trying to say, but like at this point, it was like the fact that you tweeted it now, Olivia is one of the few stars of this respective season. So if you were going to tweet something like that, Avon, about Olivia, a little too late. She's someone I'm tuning in to watch.

I am enjoying her. Avon, I'd forget you're on the show, buddy. I could not care less about your relationship. I hope that you guys are in love, but I truly forget that they're on every time I see them on their screen. And Livia, on the other hand, is a star. She's interesting. She's funny. She's got soundbites. like a season of The Bachelor or The Bachelorette for one night or a week or four days of filming and then go on some other podcast and talk like they're experts of the franchise and say a bunch of shit that they don't know what they're talking about and have no context to what they're saying and act like they lived the same experience as someone who was in the top four because someone who goes all the way to hometowns on that show has an incredibly

different emotional experience. It is emotional psychological warfare for the top four people, and anyone else on their respective seasons do not have that same experience. And it can be frustrating for the people who do have that experience to have a bunch of other people who were on the show act like they're experts of a situation they know nothing about that being said olivia again is a star of paradise she has now she's not a night one or she is someone who i don't know if she when she goes home on paradise but she is going to be thought of as a star of this season so it just kind of comes across as petty and wrong with even saying especially given how like insignificant he is on this respective season.

So yeah, see he's defending Kylie effectively. Right. So that's by being a bully. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, at this point it's all an equal playing field.

Like Olivia has been on enough episodes. I think that she has a foot a leg to stand on i don't know don't tweet i don't know what are you doing you're in trouble who do you like more olivia or even uh i like them both equally come on honestly who would you rather have a beer with i honestly i i don't have favorites because I'm not sure if I like I'll tell you I love Braden and Pilot Pete 2.0 I loved it. Those are guys that hung out at my bar

for a very long time. I know Olivia and I know Avon but they weren't hanging around the bar a lot so my relationship with people is different purely on how much time I spent with them What are your thoughts what the hell happened with becca i was gone by then so like i i don't know yeah we've heard we've heard stories i don't know anything that happened uh i know that i know what i saw right

which is that she was like i want to leave or whatnot but that was so late in the night that i was already out and then the next morning it was like becca left last night becca left and uh like brayden gave his rose to olivia and i was like wait i feel like i missed so much we heard there was a mental health crisis of some kind with becca oh i don't know i don't know anything about that. I don't know. I can't speak for it. But listen, I will say this. That show can be very stressful. And so I totally,

I totally understand when if you're like, my person isn't here, being like, I want to get out of here. There's no AC. Like I've been up all night like doing a stupid rose ceremony.

Like I'm in a different country. It's hot. I want to get out of here. I totally get that. Right. Being like, this is too much. And like in a different country. It's hot. I want to get out of here. I totally get that. Right. Being like, this is too much. And Brayden's not my guy. So yeah, I don't know.

I don't know what happened, but I hope everyone's okay. We do too. Yeah. What do you make of the... I never thought I would defend Aaron, but I really feel for Aaron, that whole situation.

Yeah. So basically the conclusion is charity came down to spread an unverified rumor that she like that she got a bunch of dms her family got some dms she told some people including cat then it became a rumor on the beach and then aaron had to defend his character it was just bizarre how it was like, when Charity explains it, she's like, I finished a show. I have this great respect for Aaron. We leave on great terms. And then I get home and I have all of these messages from this girl.

And she's reaching out to my family and she's reaching out to my friends. And it's like, she sounds crazy. Why are we believing anything she says? This sounds nuts yeah but like charity like starts a rumor and then comes down to like squash the rumor and then you have aaron thanking charity at the end i'm like how did that work out for aaron like how was why was he thanking charity by the end of all that because it would to me it was charity's fault that he had to defend himself in the first place i didn't quite understand that and why are we talking about

fucking reddit on paradise yeah like why why are they i don't know that was a that was another one where i was very confused about what was going on i think that the fatal flaw that aaron made was not really having a concise story yeah because he starts like going and dates start getting weird. And then all of a sudden there's another girl involved. And it was like, whoa, man, if you were just like,

uh, you know who, what, when, where, how and why. And then like, that's it.

But I get what he was trying to say. He was trying to say like, I couldn't have broken up with her, the girl that they were talking about because I literally dated someone else in between breaking up with her and going on the bachelorette. That made perfect sense to me. Oh, yeah, I agree. It was weird, too, that like the whole thing got started and then charity comes down and is like, but I know that's not your character.

I was like, oh, OK, well, if that was the story all along, then thanks for wasting our time. Yeah. And like putting this poor guy through it. all along. Thanks for wasting our time. Yeah. And like putting this poor guy through it for a while. These rumors are dangerous, especially on this type of show. And I just think a lot

of people have gone through some serious mental health struggles as a result of false rumors. And I don't get why Charity was playing into these types of rumors. And why did Aaron have to thank Charity was playing into these types of rumors. Yeah. And why did Aaron have to fucking apologize? Why did Aaron have to thank Charity

when it was all said and done? It seemed kind of fucked up. They've got to stop with the exes like reaching out and believe. Like that's just, it's been played so many times. So many times. Literally before we were ever on this show. It's like such a low hanging fruit way to cause drama.

And like get their 15 minutes. And you're giving like people on the Internet, like you're bringing them into the show. And now you can just say whatever the fuck. I also feel like it's rarely true. Like, was there ever a moment? Was it maybe it was Jed? Was he like really the only one who like maybe had an actual but so many people yeah and they act like the people who date anyone who

goes on the show as if they know the timeline of casting you know it's like if you break up with someone in a calendar year and they happen to go on a show according to your ego they broke up with you for the show because they couldn't have possibly broken up with you because they didn't like you or they don't want to date you anymore. But it's much easier to say I'm the victim and I got broken up with because, you know, especially if you watch the show, I mean, if you watch the show and you find out some guy or woman you dated is going on the show and they don't want to date you anymore, like you, you have this narrative written in your head that like they broke up with you to go on the show you have to speak out about it and like the show gives it so much so much unnecessary oxygen yeah i i was confused by the whole kind of thing i like when

hannah came down and and did like got dirt on everyone just by asking questions i like that better than like charity coming down and being like i heard this i heard this or whatever and just kind of and it also was very just just at this one guy whereas when hanny came down it was blanket to everybody yeah you know yeah but i don't know wills how do you feel about the truth box i like i liked it uh i think it's a good way of allowing people to really say what they really felt, like under the guise of anonymity. This is the first season, I think, that's just full of Gen Z. And it's one of the first seasons where I've felt like I was so much older than everyone there.

And I was thinking about it in terms of their experience on this show and this is an entire generation of people who've grown up curating cultivating and editing their own reality show on social media so they know how they want to be perceived and looked at whereas like when we were on the show like that wasn't a thing people just went and said whatever they thought and weren't really like concerned about instagram or twitter or tiktok but this is a different generation and so with that i think they're more heavily garden what they want to say because they are very concerned about how it's going to look which i totally understand and it's actually quite honestly smart but the truth of the matter is that if you aren't really honest down there in such a short period of time to uh you know hopefully get engaged at the end there needs to

be some hard truths told and so this was a way for people i think to be able to do it without worrying about like this is i'm gonna look bad and some people needed to hear some things you know like i think i think the one of the first truths that come out truth box was like tanner cats kind of play in you right and that ended up being i think showing tanner maybe this person isn't for me and and it might have been right you know so i don't know i i think it's a it's a good vehicle for getting some truths out there and then also it helps with like i mean now this storyline's kind of over but the brayden and rachel of it all was like really sweet like everyone could kind of see that they were

vibing and cute but they weren't kind of like going for it and then that gave them the allowance to be like let's give the people what they want and it gave rachel and brayden like a really cute moment on on tv that i that i really appreciated so it's a very long-winded thing of like i like it but i do i wish that we could go back to like when we were on the show and people weren't as guarded yes because i think i think that that was a more honest kind of representation what's the tea or the story behind davia and tanner it's like he broke up with kat to date davia that seemed like it was going well. And then out of nowhere, there's a cocktail party.

Rachel and Tanner have one conversation. It comes across as that basically Tanner upgraded from someone who didn't have a lot of screen time and not a lot of clout and batronation to thinking, oh, well, I can date the bachelorette and like align myself with a more you know popular figure he was like i've gotten over the two different eye colors now yeah he wouldn't shut up about her two different eye colors and all of a sudden i was like i'm used to it you know any other part of her body she found her other contact and then she had the same eye contact eye color and now it's like yeah yeah uh i honestly that was very shocking to me like when that went down i thought for sure he was picking uh gonna give his rose to davia so when i again like i think i left the bar thinking okay this is where everyone's everyone's roses are

going i leave early because that one went late that one went to like four or five in the morning and then when i yeah when i got to the bar the next day, people were filling me in. I was like, wait, what happened? Where's Davia? So I was, I think, as shocked as everyone else. That was random. That was random.

A part of me was kind of happy because I think with Rachel being a bachelorette in paradise, like I just, I don't want to see her feeling like she's like, I don't know, like I didn't want to see her get sent home. That would feel like so much like kind of backtracking, you know, from being the person to hands out the roses to not getting one. So even though it was a little random, it did feel like maybe it was just kind of like a way of maintaining Rachel's like status as this like awesome leading lady. But I guess, you know know like it's not a crime to go on the beaches of paradise and realize your person isn't there yeah and i really empathize with rachel because i think it is it's just a lot to go as a former lead you know there's just a lot of pressure paradise is the structure of the show certainly isn't the bachelorette like no one person is the focus nor can they be

um and rachel like for all of her great qualities isn't going to be someone who is going to demand a lot of screen time based off of her drama you know that's not who rachel is she is a more poised and elegant kind of refined person and so like that doesn't like lead to a lot of screen time on paradise and i just at some point i just think it would be okay for rachel to say my person's not here and that's okay and because i i just don't think i don't i don't think anyone's worth rachel's time on the beach for reasons i've already discussed but so i'm kind of at the point where i'm ready for rachel to just kind of peace out on her own and not kind of play musical chairs with kind of all the guys on the beach.

I'm fine that she wants to keep trying, but my gut tells me her guy's not there. And I would think nothing less of her if she left on her own accord and kept her head held high rather than try to find another spark with another guy. I don't know. Yeah. I think one of Rachel's biggest problems is that she's like too empathetic. Like she's so concerned with like everyone else's happiness and journey and all that kind of stuff. And I remember having conversations with the bar and I was like, it's really lovely that, that you're kind of so concerned and want, wanting the best for everyone. But I was like, you need to focus on your situation.

Don't get too caught up in the weeds of everyone else's stuff. And so I think that she's kind of done herself a little bit of a disservice and put herself kind of, I don't know, on the back foot because she was so concerned with wanting to help everyone that she didn't really help herself. But I agree with you. I'm rooting for her, I think, the most out of anybody. Is there a new kind of underwritten rule in Paradise where you have to go on a date if you get asked? Because I remember other seasons where someone would be like, no, I'm good.

Yeah. Like, I'm going to focus on this. But it seems like everyone, when they they get asked almost has to say yes. Or is that just a sign that there's no strong connections on Paradise? have seen the show enough that when someone like, Hey, can I pull, um, Aaron and they go talk to Aaron, the amount of show up,

but Aaron's probably like, I'm not going to go on a date. Right. I'm totally into Eliza. So like, it's not even a possibility for the person with the date card to even attempt to ask somebody that they're going to say no to. I also think it's, it's,

that's a mean spirited thing to do to somebody is to like set them up to fail that's a very awkward thing of like aaron will you go on a date with me no oh camera's on me like that's not i i don't i don't want that for anybody but i get what you're saying i mean everyone's having these conversations even though sometimes they're probably showing a lot of conversations that that happen that we don't get to see so i'm guessing when someone gets asked that person gave some inkling that they would say yes yeah i think so i'm just wondering why these relationships aren't moving faster than other seasons i think your perception of time is is different than reality it's still pretty early on in the show okay so it'd be like halfway through really filming. I guess.

And I'll tell you what the difference is. It used to be that we did two hours Monday and Tuesday. So every week was a lot of time, whereas this is actually being drawn out. So we're still in the feeling it out phase, even though... I think we're right at the precipice right now. Okay.

I think we're now going to get to the people are coming in, there's not enough time for them you know like that part and really solidifying those really strong relationships to get to the next level which is like engagement or leaving together brandy was asking me this on my podcast and i was like i just think that time is different this season because we're not doing the monday tuesday two hours every day what's your your read on Blake? Super awesome guy. Really, really, like a really good human being. And very smart.

You can see that he can see what's happening around him. Yeah, he's always thinking. I remember, and I give him a lot of credit for this, there was a fight going on, an argument or whatever, and there wasn't a crew on it. And he was like, there's a fight happening. I don't know if you guys want to do anything.

That's what I was like. Oh, you see how the sausage is being made, man. You're, you're maybe too smart at this point. He's also been in so many. Yeah.

So many episodes. He gets it, but he is, uh, he's, he's like Rachel. Like I'm, I want so badly for him to find somebody

because I do think he's such a good guy. He's so handsome. The work he does with conservation is so cool. He's got such a great story. He's Canadian, so of course he's nice. Do you think he's almost too nice for his own good in the dating department? Yeah, maybe.

It's funny because he found the other way to a nice person. Like really nice, yeah. I was about to say that. Like there needs to be a little bit of yin and yang i suppose yeah um but yeah and i i love jess i i think that jess's issue is that um she's so young and she's probably not ready for how old is she i think she's 23 okay yeah so is she more just she She's just so like... Young for her age? Not even that. She's like, she's too pure. She's too like, she's like a cherub. A cherub?

A cherub, like a little baby angel. Never heard of that. A cherub? They're tattooed on your body. What do you mean you've never heard of that? I didn't know they're called cherubs. Yes. I call them little baby angels.

You have like three tattooed on you. Yeah, cherub. Cherub? Yeah. Why are they called cherubs? I don't know. I can't get into the etymology of it all, but I know that's what she is. Etymology?

What does... What do you read? You're just reading words of the day, dictionaries over the weekend? What the fuck? It's a distortion. Terry Dism. Okay, big words, LL Adams. Oh, yeah. Sorry.

Cherub is not a big word. What the fuck? Am I the idiot? Did you know what a cherub was, Amanda? Allie? I did from art history classes. I feel like in a lot of drawings from like the Renaissance and then like that's I feel like Cherub City for me.

I just know it from life. I don't think you need to take a class for some human being. I never took a class. I feel like they're biblical. Yeah, it's very biblical. So, not everybody's necessarily living life. I'm fucking stupid.

It's just the fact that they're tattooed on you. I just don't call them that I know baby angels He goes into the tattoo shop Can I have a little baby angel? Can you tattoo a little baby angel on me? A little naked baby angel

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I am blown away with how good he is at this. And also, you know, you know, like, kind of how they picked the bachelor, the bachelor as people who are very good at being on TV from the previous season. This man has never done this and he's knocking it apart. But I could not believe the faith thing. My mom called me.

She was like, I think she's he's choosing faith. And I was like, I thought it was choosing faith. Yeah. Yeah. And I could not believe because he doesn't he doesn't tell Teresa that he loves her, but he tells the other two. Also, you know why the scene that made me realize that he, to your point, is an excellent bachelor,

and not to take anything away from the guy he is, but there is a role they have to play, and it was when they showed the breakup between him and Joanan so they brought joan on the hot seat they they they played that breakup and they talked about how well gary was just like i was i woke up dancing maybe he woke up dancing i don't know but what we do know now having this season played out is gary is very much into brunette so he was never going to pick joan and even like a wells even though yes even though despite you know his love for brunettes so he was never going to pick joan and even like a wells even though yes even though

despite you know his love for brunettes and knowing he was never going to pick joan he made joan feel like he might have picked her and he made the audience feel like there was really something there to say goodbye to and that is the role of the bachelor to kind of lean into that a little bit more than the truth might be. I kind of disagree. I think he really liked her. I think he really liked all of them. Yeah. But he's never going to pick Joan.

Okay, I have a question for you, though, because you do know, like, I was never asked to be the bachelor or whatever. Did you think that Joan was being set up in that men tell all or whatever it was, the tell all to be the golden bachelorette? I think anyone who gets a hot seat on men tell all or whatever it was, the tell all to be the golden bachelorette. I think anyone who gets a hot seat on a tell all is someone that the producers are at least considering.

Yeah. I got a hot seat and they cut it. That's how I knew I was out of the running. But they were at least considering it. Like no one gets a hot seat. And you may not, it might be someone, I think every season they pretty much know who their person is going to be sometimes things happen but they always have you know this they always they have contingencies they always have backups because shit does happen

so the hot seat at a tell-all is for that i mean that's why they have it to kind of get a pulse of the audience the cheers and things like that how do people react their ability to kind of be in that kind of hot seat environment is like a little bit of a preview of what it's like to be the lead so yeah i was i was truly um invested in this woman's story like when that happened that's why i was saying like this is so great because when it comes down to like really i've talked about this a lot but like storytelling really is about showing the stakes of what this journey is for these people. And, you know,

it's one thing when you're, you're on the bachelor, the bachelorette and you're like a 25 year old personal trainer. Like this probably, this isn't your last shot at love. This isn't even the last shot at love like this week, you know, but for these people who have had these such,

these so compelling stories of like my husband passed my wife passed i think this might be my last opportunity at love my daughter is having trouble with this like with this baby like it's such like tangible good story to dig into and after that after that episode i like went and found her on instagram and i wanted to be like is everything okay what's going on and i think that's a hallmark of really good storytelling and that's why i was i was looking at her i saw my my wife said something the effect of like every past bachelorette has worn black uh on in the hot seat and she's wearing bachelorette black and i was like whoa i didn't even know that is that thing? And I was like, does it look like her hair is professionally done?

Did Carrie pick out this outfit? I started doing that thing thinking, are we about to announce the golden bachelorette? Because it's an inevitability. It's coming, right? They're going to do the show. I assume so. I think their only challenge is going to be finding the right men.

And all the more reason why they're going to need contingencies is because these golden ladies, some of them might like joan might just be like i don't want to it's a lot to ask for these people to you know they can't just go home yeah you know like joan left they're contractually obligated to fill a certain role and so faith joan any other these women that they might be considering, you know, they're going to have to need some options because at the last minute, someone might say, I don't, I don't want to do this. So I think for sure, Joan, Faith is definitely, I mean, I think if Faith wants it, they got to pick Faith. I don't know. I just, I'm so invested. It was so heartbreaking, her and Gary's moment. And I really, I, that what was so heartbreaking, her and Gary's moment. And I really,

what was so heartbreaking about that moment, because unlike many other seasons where especially the top three, the lead and that person, they have to kind of play into this relationship that maybe even in real time, never really had a chance. But obviously for the audience, they almost have to play and that maybe

there's still some like unresolved feelings but like gary and john like i'm 100 convinced that gary has thought of faith probably every day since he's since he sent her home because to me even faith kind of alluded to the fact that like i all in. I kind of put all the logistics to the side where it seemed like Gary sent Faith home more out of pragmatic decisions and practicality than anything at all. It felt like he had something special with Faith, that they had an unspoken bond, this unspoken connection. But Gary's just like, you want to stay in Wyoming. I'm in Indiana.

That's just not a life that realistically I think I can live. And as much as I think you're great, I feel like he sent faith home more based off of that for how he felt about her. And I think he's thought about faith every goddamn day since and really at times misses her. And I've never felt that type of energy between a lead and someone they sent home like I have with Gary and Faith. I'm going to ask you this question. You were the bachelor. There was a part of me that was like, I wonder if he's doing this now. So the decision he has to make at the end is easier, like sending home whoever your second place person is earlier than having to do it at the end. And I wonder if that's a suggestion like,

hey, listen, if it's really between these two, if you used to do this earlier. It might be easier, yeah. I don't think he was doing it for himself. Okay. I think if anything, he was doing it for Faith. But at the same time, regardless of Teresa and Gary's energy, if we're assuming he's gonna pick Leslie then like Teresa's gonna Teresa's just as all-in Teresa more than anyone

has been like I'm gonna end up with Gary so like Teresa's gonna be just as heartbroken so it's kind of like you're splitting hairs like whose heart do you break more or less but he didn't say i love you to teresa and that's what i'm saying like yeah like if if faith and leslie were like his top two but he i think is leaning more towards leslie it was like go ahead and i think you're protecting faith a little bit more but at the expense of hurting teresa or or leslie yeah you know so like you you know, there's no win in that scenario. Yeah. Like you might be, he might be caring a little bit more about Faith's feelings because of the intensity, because maybe he said, I love you and realized I can't end up with her because of, you know, whatever his reasons were. And it was more about knowing he wasn't going to pick faith because of that

decision. So a little bit, but at the end of the day, hearts are going to be broken and it's going to get messy at that point that more than anything, it honestly, it might've been a conversation with producers where it got down to like who his final choice is going to be. He probably knows his final choice. He probably told producers and it's like, all right, if you're not going to pick faith, we would like faith to be at the tell all, because I think she has a real chance of being our next bachelorette.

So it would be very nice of you to send her home now so we can give her that opportunity because I don't think they're considering Teresa, but I could be wrong. That's just from a, from a viewer standpoint, who wins. I don't know. No, I have no I could be wrong. That's just from a viewer standpoint. Do you know who wins? I don't know. I thought Faith was going to win.

Yeah, okay. I'm now going to assume Leslie. I've been saying Leslie from the jump. Yeah. So I got to hold firm there. If it's Teresa, I would be, if I'm Gary and Teresa,

I'd be kind of mad because they haven't really given her an edit or their relationship an edit that makes us excited about them it was good in the beginning it was fine in the beginning but ever since then theresa's been edited as this almost delusional like more in love with gary than gary is with her always getting the last rose yeah i was shocked when theresa got the rose over ellen even so this is the second week in a row where i've been like wow theresa is going so much further than i thought yeah i just don't like the edit trees is getting given how far she went and i will hate it if she's

the one who ends up with gary because they really didn't make this relationship anything worth rooting for at this point um but leslie Faith, for sure. Because he seems truly smitten by those two women. From the tease for next week, it does look like he does tell Teresa he loves her. Kind of has to at that point. The producer would be like, hey, Carrie, I don't know if you remember, but

it's a bad look. You need to kind of say this. But he tells Leslie, I think you're my girl. I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, man. This poor guy, I just hope he survives. Natalie rightfully suggests that maybe that's,

usually they kind of give you a little misdirect. Totally. Yeah. You know? Ooh. Look over here, not over here. Yeah. So, I don't know.

But Faith, number one choice, bachelorette joan would be a great option i mean there's a lot of great i even think april would be fantastic yeah she's fascinating i think that would be the most entertaining i'm rooting for joan only because like she's the one person who i was like i must find her on the internet i must check in on this so then i was like I really care I really really am invested in this person yeah we we want to get Natalie's mom on next season my mom wants to do it too can we have

Mrs. Wells and Mrs. Natalie Natalie Donna Donna and Lisa dude you don't want your mom on she wanted to do this

like I think all her friends wanted me to get her on and I was like let's just see how this plays out I don't know what this is gonna look like but now

it's America your mom could be America's next sweetheart I know or she could be like the zip it lady and I don't want

you don't want her to be the zip it lady I think I think the only way that I would allow this is if I'm allowed to be there every single day in the interview room. Be like, Mom, nope, you're not saying that. We're not going to say that. Zip it. Zip it, Donna. You're going to tell your mom to zip it. Maybe the only way I'm doing it is if I'm bartending there every single day and taking care of my mom. I think Natalie's mom

would do very well. Yeah. i've met your mom she's hot yeah yeah she yeah she's hot she's sweet she's a single mother who raised four kids on her own yeah essentially truly she's been single for a long time you know she's dealt with some not so great dudes. She's a nice little story. Lindsay Liles. We'll see who the next... I wonder if we'll find out who the next Golden Bachelor is before...

Not before we start casting, right? I would assume they'll do it just like they do their show. We're going to fall in love with some guy in the Golden Bachelorette and then he's gonna become you know and then it's just gonna be yeah the machine will keep on churning so she'll have to watch golden bachelorette and be like she's gonna have to say yes before she knows who the next lead is that's the tough thing yeah yeah it's because you want to know she doesn't have to like she's going on for it's it's not about falling in love with whoever the lead is.

It's about going on and saying yes to a new adventure. And what all these women said, friendships. Friendships and connections and just the just I love the whole like and who's our Kris Jenner lookalike? Susan. Susan. Susan. Yeah. I loved how Susan was just like really speaking to her peers, like in the audience, like other elderly senior citizens where she was like, just get the fuck back up, you know, get out there, be active. And that is like really sage advice. I mean, even at our age, Wells, like we have friends, like if you're one of those people,

you get married in your early twenties, you have some kids and you're just, you, you kind of talk out loud, like, oh, I'm just like old and all. And you can, I think we joke at a certain age of our life where we talk like we're older than we are because it almost sounds fun. But there's something about that where your body tells you, oh, it's like you're old and worthless. Well, we're just going to shut it down. Yeah.

Like your body responds to how your brain kind of sees the world. And the more active you are, the more you get out there, the more you live life, like you have something to live for. And the more active that you are, the more fulfilling and the longer life you're going to have. And I think a lot of us who get older and certainly people who are older ages, you know, like, remember that. And like, for the ones who say, get back up, like, get out there, take a walk, make connections, like, you can have a drastic, you know, change in how your life is, especially as you get older.

And I thought that was so beautiful how she articulated that. And I truly think that this show, in a lot of ways is not only maybe not saving lives but extending them and in some ways actually saving lives and and really giving people a new sense of purpose and a willingness to get out there and take risks and i think that's so fucking beautiful you know my grandmother told me before she passed she was sitting in the hospital and she was like um she's she was 89. My grandfather's 94. And she was like, they're both. I mean, she passed away from cancer, but she like mentally they're both there.

They haven't like lost their minds. They have no dementia, no Alzheimer's, no nothing. And, you know, he was pretty much still moving around. She'd like push him in a wheelchair if they needed to go long places. But she was saying that a doctor came in and was like what have you done in your life like how are you so great at your age and she was like i think it's because we've just stayed socially actually like we're always like playing bridge with friends we're always like getting out and going and doing stuff and she was like i think it's just you know we're always keeping our minds moving and we're not just

sitting at home watching TV, rotting our own minds away. Yeah, you need purpose. You have to have a purpose, something that makes you get up and keep going. Got to be a shark, keep moving. That's my absolute favorite thing about The Golden Bachelor is that reminder to people getting older

that there's a lot to live for, but it comes to just deciding and getting up yeah i want that i hope the show continues the this kind of narrative of like being really wholesome and saccharine sweet like the zippit thing was like a fun little aside you know but i don't know if i want to see like these you know golden bachelors yeah fighting and that's not I don't think that's what the show

why it's everyone's resonating with it it's just so hopeful you know so do you think they can maintain

that level of nostalgia and have it still be interesting because I think this season was so unique that we all loved the nostalgia of it but do you think after three or

four seasons if they keep going they will be able to just lean on the the sweetness and not bring any more of the drama while keeping people's interest i think so and i i think that that's what i've really loved about uh this show is it's proven that like you can have a really successful show without having to kind of go you know evil yeah you know uh or or negative and stuff so that's one thing i always say like kind of before we start uh paradise is like what i like about paradise is it opens as a comedy like you see like everyone's doing their silly intro bits and so i'm always like everyone don't take it so seriously but if there's times where i'm like i just want this to be like a fun funny show and when we get lost in the weeds of like the fighting and stuff i'm like

i don't i don't love that so much i like the funny stuff and uh the heartfelt stuff so i'm hoping that that bleeds over into paradise and stuff too because i think that people really it's so the world right now is so dark like the news just put everything is just so like oh god uh it's nice there's finally like a show where it's like i just want to sit back and feel good you know yeah and the hour-long format helps so much i think i agree you know because they're not trying to fill two hours and they can just focus on the love stories like like you were saying earlier, the the storytelling is in the stakes and it's all stakes because these are lovable people who you really root for. Do you think Paradise should be an hour? I think that it should be airing in the summer.

A hundred percent. It's very weird for me that we're watching a show that's taking place on a beach in November. Yeah. Do you like it on Thursday nights? I don't really care. I don't know. I mean, like the Tuesday, Thursday, they were both good night.

I didn't love two hours, Mondays and Tuesdays because I was on the show and I was like, this is a lot of television for me to consume every week. You know? So I, if it was, if I was making the decisions, I'd be like, let's make sure that this is airing early in the year. So it's in the summer and have it'd be like, let's make sure that this is airing early in the year so it's in the summer and have

it just be like one hour for a longer run instead of like, you know, six weeks of four hours every week, you know? But they don't ask me that stuff. You'll enjoy this story. I was driving back to the studio last Friday and

last night's episode of Special forces is emotional or we write these death letters yeah of like what you know what would we say to our loved ones if we didn't make it so all of us we're all crying right and fox sent me a clip of my death letter and i'm reading it to natalie and i'm like every time that's like i'm so sorry i'm not going to be there to raise her kid i'm getting like teared up right now and they sent me that clip um as i was getting the studio and so like i press play and it's playing and um like i start crying yeah i'm driving and i pull up and rob mills is outside of our studio.

I don't know where he was going. Yeah. I had some other meeting. I'm like, Holy fuck, it's Rob. And like, I pull over and it's like a tear.

Oh my God. And he's like, that was why you were our guy coming down my face. I'm like, sorry, Rob, I was watching this. Yeah.

It was kind of, what did he say? Uh, it was kind of a, well, we had been talking about getting together and meeting up. So I was like, yeah, are we going to get together? I'm like, yeah, I'm sorry.

I'm crying. I just watched. I didn't know how to explain myself. But I'm like, I pull over and I'm like crying in the car. And Rob Mills is right there. That's amazing. Yeah. So.

For people that don't know, Rob Mills is head of unscripted at like. ABC. Yeah. He's basically in charge of ABC at this point because all ABC is is unscripted that's true basically

yeah so anyway also he's been on the show friend of show we have to get him back you had him on the show a few times interesting

yeah I don't know I think I think ABC might have hey let's not do that I don't know I'm not sure yeah

he's a very generous guest yeah so anyway wells thanks for coming of course thanks for always a pleasure please uh plug away yft podcast your favorite thing i do with uh brandy cyrus right now we're having them come out on friday so we can do a bachelor in paradise recap uh right after the show airs and then i'm still doing my uh my food podcast called two dudes in the kitchen with Tyler Florence from, um, food network fame. And that's fun.

And if you like, Holly's are coming up. So like, if you need like Thanksgiving recipes and stuff, like that's a good podcast to go check out. We did this last episode. We talked about how you should really do your Turkey for Thanksgiving. And he does not believe in oven roasting an entire Turkey.

Does he deep fry it? He believes in spatchcocking it. And he's spatchcock spatchcock spatchcock spatchcock um it's not what you think it is maybe it is actually i don't even know so spatchcocking a turkey is you cut out the um the spine of it and then you break the breastbone and you lay it flat um and so it can cook evenly and much faster so you can you know if you do a turkey in an oven it's like four hours or whatever long time because it takes a long time for that heat to like kind of permeate the entire thing but if you do it on a you know a baking tray spatchcocked you can do it

in like an hour and a half and that also opens up so much real estate in your oven for other things and uh he's like everyone should be doing that thanksgiving so that's like a good tip so anyways if you are in the cook and go listen to that i'm just wondering if we make this into a clip if tiktok's gonna flag it for all the times you said cock yeah that's what it's called spatchcock yeah why what's the origin words of the day wells i don't know actually that one okay all right the etymology the etymology yeah the origin anyway thanks for listening guys as always don't forget to send in those questions at ask nick at the vile files.com for all things texting office hours ask nick mediation all of the above we are back

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