The Viall Files - E670 Reality Recap - Mama Swift & Mama Kelce, Housewives Drama, Golden Bachelor and BIP with Susie Evans

Episode Date: November 21, 2023

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap Edition! Today we are joined by Susie Evans to talk about all things reality TV. First, we talk about Susie’s busy life in LA, friendships, and romantic relationships. We also touch on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, Real Housewives Ultimate Girls Trip, Black Friday shopping, and the Swifts and Kelces meeting this weekend. Then, we discuss Golden Bachelor and if we think Gerry is going to end up with Leslie or Theresa after their Fantasy Suite dates. Finally, we discuss Bachelor in Paradise - including the lack of a redemption arc between Jordan and Rachel, all of the Bachelorettes coming down to Paradise, and Katie’s “comedy” roast.    “Turns out I am the problem.”  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Join us for our new LIVE show on Thursdays at 9PM ET/6PM PT on Amp, available in the Apple app store. Android User? Listen here: https://www.onamp.com/   To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Manscaped - Get 20% off + free shipping with the code VIALL at https://www.manscaped.com  Rocket Money - Stop wasting money on things you don’t use. Cancel your unwanted subscriptions – and manage your money the easy way – by going to https://www.RocketMoney.com/VIALL  Quip - If you go to https://www.GETQUIP.com/VIALL RIGHT NOW, you’ll get 20% off any Electric Toothbrush, Mint & Gum Dispenser, Water Flosser. Article Furniture - Article is offering our listeners $50 off your first purchase of $100 or more. To claim, visit https://www.ARTICLE.COM/VIALL and the discount will be automatically applied at checkout. IQ Bar - Refuel smarter with IQBAR’s Ultimate Sampler Pack. That’s 7 IQBARs, 4 IQMIX sticks, and 4 IQJOE sticks. And now, our special podcast listeners get twenty percent off all IQBAR products, plus get FREE shipping. Just text FILES to 64000. Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @susiecevans @nnataliejjoy @alison.vandam @liffordthebigreddog @dereklanerussell  Timestamps 00:00:00 - Intro 00:01:01 - Susie’s Life 00:15:33 - RHOBH and RHUGT 00:26:07 - Pop Topics 00:45:18 - Golden Bachelor 01:02:37 - Bachelor In Paradise 01:26:21 - Outro

what's going on everybody welcome back to another exciting and exhilarating episode of the vile filesiles Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick, joined by the household of Amanda. Justin Alley is joining us from St. Paul, Minnesota. And our pop culture correspondent, my lovely fiance, soon-to-be wife and mother of my child, Natalie Joy. Woo! Yeah, man. Woo! Okay. And our special guest, returning to the Vile

Files, friend of show. Friend of friend. Friend of friend. The one. The only. Susie Evans! Yay! Thanks, guys. Susie, how you been? What's new? What's crackin'? I'm good. I mean, I'm busy, booked and blessed. A little burntie, how you been? What's new? What's cracking? I'm good.

I mean, I'm busy, booked and blessed. A little burnt out, if you will. Love that. Can we steal? Not booked and busy. She's booked and blessed. I love that. Yeah. Because everyone's always like, I'm so busy.

Like, it's a bad thing. But like, booked and blessed. No, I complain, too. But I am booked and blessed. What is it? Weddings? Weddings? No, it's like everything. I've definitely

spread myself too thin and just not said no to anything. We love that. Yeah, it's been good. I think I'm just at the tail end of a busy season. What are you being asked to do that you're saying yes to? Everything. NFTS or

NFTWS? NFTs? Ohws what not suitable for nfts oh wait not safe for for biofiles nothing's not safe for biofiles yeah everything's on the table yeah no nothing that's not safe um i mean i mean some things i can't i went volcano diving and yeah you know i mean i'd be in on that too but no i, a lot of it's like production stuff, like behind the scenes stuff, which I'm trying to find this balance of like, okay, it's good experience, good networking. But it's not really creative work. It's not really like adding to my personal brand or portfolio. But it is kind of like, you know, five years ago, I'd have been like, oh, this is like the dream. But now I'm like trying to find the balance of like, okay,

do I just take every job or opportunity because it's like a good resume builder? Or do I just pour into myself, trying to find the balance, trying to figure it out. Being busy is great. Yeah. You'll figure,

you'll filter out the, yes, the non value adds in your life at some point. Yeah. And I'm starting to,'m re-evaluating after the last couple of weeks you move to la when may okay so i haven't even you haven't even been here for a year do you feel like your la experience is living up to your hopes and dreams so far absolutely yeah i think so i think moving here i didn't really know what to expect i was

like am i just gonna be like in my apartment, like, you know, working from home essentially. But no, I can't. I'm never home. So I think it's definitely over exceeded my expectations so far. Like nothing that crazy has happened. But I just feel like, yeah, I feel like I'm attracting the right things. I'm making good friends, which I i think is shocking in this city i feel like it's hard to make good friends like people always say that or hard to meet good people but i've met like the best people so i feel good are you living on the west side no i'm just like mid wilshire right in the center okay all right love that yeah a lot of content with justin lots of justin content it's funny thank you you're doing good thank you i'm trying to lean into the comedy a bit no you should yeah you're funny it's intimidating because you're gonna have flops yep it's gonna flop like you're gonna have to just accept that sometimes you're not as funny as you think you are right yeah and you just gotta let it fly and see what see what sticks my god. Is Justin giving you more confidence to do that?

Because I know he was obviously very much into the little comedy bits and stuff with the boys. Yeah. No, he's definitely he's been such a good supporter in general for me. Like he's definitely encouraged me a lot. And we encourage each other. Like that's the thing is we always tell each other it's like we're going to flop. Yeah.

Like it's some things that we're going to do. Even like that's the thing is we always tell each other, it's like, we're gonna flop. Yeah, like, it's some things that we're gonna do even like Justin such a, like visionary, you know, he's so like, artistic and creative. And we'll create really cool things. And we're like, Oh my god, this is beautiful. It's cinematic. It's like, detailed. And then it's like, no, no one cares. And you're like, dang, like, we put so much effort into this. But sometimes, you know, that's not what people want to consume but it doesn't mean that it wasn't like good for us to do and create and like express ourselves yeah you can't live and die with each little one no totally big picture how's your love life um it's boring i feel like i'm uninterested i'm i'm dating around casually I feel like I'm becoming better at like setting

boundaries maybe also just like too many boundaries where I'm just like I'm good yeah what's your biggest frustration uh with the men that you've been dating if you have any or maybe are you just it's not that not about them but more you're it's not in your season yeah I think I you know what I think it's maybe the season um I'm just like it's good because I'm just at a point now where I recently read the book um attached like the attachment sales book and I learned so much actually kind of shook me I was like oh i totally thought i was secure and like healthy i'm definitely an avoidant and i like i'm sick yeah i'm like mentally unwell like i need to like double down on therapy yeah you finished the book and checked yourself into a hospital yeah i was like it's like hi yeah sorry i just read a book

turns out i am the problem like and I just didn't see that coming um and but you know I learned so much from the book and it empowered me to like feel less bad about my needs if I'm being honest like and and feel more empathy for other people's needs because sometimes I'm so like cut and dry and like, well, you know, figure it out. Like we're grown adults and I don't need to like grow you up. And that is true. But at the same time, like we're all individuals that have needs and like traumas. So I'm just at a point where I'm like, I'm OK to express mine. And if you are interested or aren't interested based on that, it's totally cool. cool and I'm more empathetic to other people's needs where I'm like oh I'm like more patient and less likely to just like pull the plug and be like I'm good actually like I'm trying to be better about that but in general I think I've kind of worked myself into that point in life where I'm like I'm so comfortable being alone yeah would love to have somebody but I'm just like I'm good I read something you posted about Bachelor in Paradise, how you were like really debating on going and then you ended up in like a summer fling.

Do you regret not going or are you like so happy with that decision? I'm so happy with that decision. I think that I really worried about regretting it. I did. I was like, am I going to miss out on this opportunity or even just the fun of what Paradise could be? But watching it back, I'm like like thank god i wasn't there yeah um i also think i'm like too old for the people that were on the show how old are you i'm 30 and i feel like everyone's like 26 i'm sorry literally whoa okay you're like yeah get checked in and get that figured out because it's great yeah yeah

yeah i feel good about it i'm like i just think i i don't think there would have been success for me there it could have been fun how yeah what is the average age of the men there i feel like blake is probably the oldest yeah or p other pilot p i feel like is 33 was there anyone that you were like because i feel like so many of them we have been like who are these people literally yeah we have no idea yeah they're all a lot of night one-ers and just like not a lot of people that you remember was there anyone that you were like that could have been fun but i don't think there's anybody that i would have been compatible with like watching it back and i guess you don't know until you know but watching it back i'm like yeah you don't know until you know, but watching it back,

I'm like, yeah, I don't think that any, and I don't think I would have been for them either. Well, I said this a couple of weeks ago when we were talking about Rachel, addition to the age of some of these contestants, specifically the men,

it is such a harder life in this arena that, you know, you and I operate in. And I just feel like had you got down to paradise and met someone i just think it would you would end up kind of being like i'm more of a mom than a girlfriend in a way because they would be like so how yeah like they would like a mentor they would like ask you know for so how do we, tell us about this influencing world. You know what I'm saying? Where you're doing your thing,

you're established, you're grinding, you're booked and blessed and Rachel's got her thing going on and it's just already so much more difficult, I think, for men in this space. And in addition to the, quite quite frankly the lack of success that you know paradise is i think having lately with maybe the attention it's grabbing and the interest from younger fans who in the past would follow people and create this opportunity that you guys

have experienced the power to navigate would be so off you know and that's why i like looking at rachel i just it's like there's no point for her to be on this beach and keep dating these guys because i just don't think her equal is there yeah my therapist always talks about like your energy vibrations and it's like where you are and i think rachel is totally above all of these yeah she's like she needs to find someone who's on her equal vibrations. That same wavelength. I always think that. I'm like, I just need somebody that's on my wavelength.

Whatever that looks like. Really? Yeah. Now let's bring up the past. But did you, like, in any way follow Clayton's traumatic story? Oh, yeah. 1000%. I was invested.

I was in that shit. I was locked in. I was invested in that shit we were texting and we were calling each other okay i was like concerned for him i had conversations with people close to the story as well and i was blown away by the things i heard yeah um that i don't even totally feel comfortable fair enough talking about yeah per se but you had conversations like what so do you feel comfortable um as long as my address isn't like out for the public because i'm scared yeah yeah it should be did you i feel like we can speak yeah yeah yeah cryptically did you hear some of the crazy shit that i heard yeah yeah oh yeah yeah wow riveting content yeah everyone's in their car screaming right now

um what was yeah but it was why is he okay um yeah he's okay but like there was a period where he wasn't okay and i think it was so disheartening to see. I'm just such a justice person where I'm like, I just want justice. So if somebody does something really horrible, I just want a little vengeance. That's just who I am. And I don't need to go get it myself. I like to put it out for the universe and God. Yeah, the karma. I'm like, do your thing.

I do too, yeah. Yeah. I'm also patient when it comes to revenge. Me too. I am too. I play the long game always. Yeah. our mom like do your thing i do too yeah yeah i'm also patient when it comes to revenge me too i am too i play the long game always yeah yeah if you've wronged me at some point in your life and you probably know who you are i haven't forgotten it's just it's brewing yeah it's brewing it's brewing it's a good chance when it happens you won't even know it's me. Exactly. I'm the same.

We're sick. Oh my God. I love it. No, I'm the same way. When your life falls apart. That was me. Could have been Nick. Could have been me.

Could have been Susie. Could have been Susie. Yeah. Yep. And so when, when this was happening, I heard Clayton's perspective. And if there's one thing I can say about Clayton is that he is not a liar like he he's not a perfect person but he's not a liar and I never once questioned him in his honesty to me as a person human to human so when he told me his side of the story very early on, I was like pissed because I was like, this is wild.

This is absolutely wild. So wild. And justice needs to be served. And it didn't feel like it was because then, you know, things went public and that's what people remember are the headlines. Yeah. You know,

the followup stories that come out don't reach the masses the same way a really bad headline does. It's like his his the first one where that girl was like hey i had sex with clayton and that went like i don't know how many views did that original video get like 30 million or something crazy millions yeah millions and then her apology got like one million not even you know like exactly yeah what do you guys make of the like when there's smoke there's fire saying because it's like sometimes there's a lot of truth in that but then other times it's like

someone has a smoke machine yeah yeah but but i i was gonna ask you about that like this is the second time that clayton has found himself on the wrong side of a big scandal a big scandal, a bizarre scandal. The first one was his dumb luck. He had literally nothing to do with that. The second one, he could have made better choices, but nevertheless, he didn't do anything wrong from what I understand. Just maybe not thinking smartly yeah and yeah and I agree yeah I agree like I think certain things could have been handled better and I don't know all the details

and I and I honestly have respected his privacy like I've let him open up to me when we've had communication or like I did check in on him a couple of times because he did have mental health struggles after the show and was open about them and talked about them and is like used his platform for good. But when he finally kind of told me what was going on, I was so shocked because I kept seeing dance videos and I was thinking like, I was thinking like, oh, you're still doing that. Yeah. And then when I heard what was happening behind the scenes and how dark it got for him at one point, I was like, wow. But all I see online is like, you know, the happy dancing. Yeah.

Doing your little thing. But even that, it sounds like silly, but he's really turned that into a positive thing. When he said like he told me, he's like, you you know people are dming me saying you doing this new hobby is like inspiring me to pick up a new thing at this age and he and like so again it's like he's using his platform in a positive way despite the fact that he was going through something really dark um and he hasn't really like come forward and said that and i'm sure like legally he can't really say a lot right now but i hope he gets the chance to share his side and i hope it makes headlines the way the first so do i did yeah i've extended the opportunity but maybe with time yeah with time

hopefully hopefully so i asked you when you're coming on you haven't watched any housewives of beverly hills i haven't you need to you need to because now he got me into housewives of Beverly Hills. Really? Yeah. And here's a good thing, I will say, is a new Bravo guy. Queen. King. Queen. Queen. A Bravo queen. You're a queen. I'm whatever you want to make me. You're real. Yeah. Well, Vanderpump, you can start

wherever. Love that. Dive right in the middle. It doesn't matter. Okay. Because you can just pick up who are these people. You learn fast. And if you have any interest, you can kind of go back to previous seasons plus they're kind of having new new wives show up it's it's one of those scenes you can really jump right into in the middle love that okay i will i will start watching then what do you think is the best season justin of beverly hills no of or just show? Of, yeah. Salt Lake City. Salt Lake City.

Everybody says that. Beverly Hills is like the OG. Yeah. Salt Lake City is... Like, they amp that up. Because these are Mormon women, but they're all exiled. Everybody's married. There's someone married to their grandfather.

There's someone like... I have heard that. Getting drunk all the time. Someone fled the FBI. Like, it's just... Outrageous things happen in that show. Truly messy people. We did just see a promo for Miami.

Is that new? Miami was on nine years ago. Got canceled after its third season and they just brought it back last year. With the same wives or different wives? I think three of them are the same and then they filled it in. Wow. Just a wild it in. Wow. Just a wild hiatus. Yeah. Because that one had a fan base or I don't know. Interesting.

Ultimate Girls Trip. So there's a lot of news with that right now. I don't know if you guys are familiar with that concept. No. So basically on Peacock they have Ultimate Girls Trip where they mix different wives from different franchises. It's like All Stars. It's like a winter house for wives.

Basically, yeah. Yeah, because Winter House does like Vanderpump and Southern Charm and Summer House people. The youngins. No, exactly. The kids.

The Bravo kids. With Ultimate Girls Trip, they'll test different housewives that aren't on the show anymore to be like, oh, can we bring them back? Like, how does the audience react to them but recently they shot a season in morocco brandy glanville who we're all familiar with she allegedly sexually assaults caroline manzo like one of the original

new jersey girls they send her home during the trip but then they bring her back somehow so like this is all speculation they finished shooting shooting the trip, which is like a week long production. And then Caroline Manzo, the one that got allegedly sexually assaulted, sues Bravo. So now Bravo is like under internal investigation. And then this whole season that they shot, which this is an expensive season because they had like obviously Morocco. They rent a house. They pay like close to a million maybe per like housewife for that season. morocco they rent a house they pay like close to a million maybe per like housewife for that season they were like okay we obviously can't air this whole thing that we shot so then they shot a whole

new season and then basically this new season that they would have shot would have aired the next year but at bravo con they like debuted the new season for the show and it obviously wasn't the brandy glanville season so they just scrapped it i think they're gonna scrap it but also that's like a really big season now for publicity if they were to release it because everybody wants to see what actually happened i'm curious yeah i am as well i'm like i release it and do we know specifically what brandy was accused of she was accused of putting her hand up Caroline Manzo's dress while she was pinned

against the wall. Oh my God. Yeah. That's what Caroline said. Is this on camera? It was in the bathroom? I think it's at a party maybe. That's why they're investigating it.

I think it is on camera maybe when they were shooting. Oh my gosh. Brandy has always been a little... She's a character problematic definitely problematic she was brandy was the like sheena's arch rival in season one of vanderpump right oh it's true yeah she was the one who she's one of the og like people to cross over different

shows in bravo yeah sheena was sleeping with Brandy's husband. Wow. Yeah. Good Lord. Yeah. Yeah. Whew. That is rough. What was the season that they announced would be coming out?

Was it, like... So, the season that they announced, this is also, like, tea. It's Real Housewives of New York Legacy. Oh. So, like, we all know that they recasted the whole, like, New York cast, which was, like, controversial because everybody loves like the OGs so then their like solution was oh let's give you like a limited

series of like the original girls which is the new ultimate girls trip cast that's kind of iconic though it is but Ramona you know she's like one of the OGs on New York she's also getting cancelled so it's like Bravo's just under a lot of fire right now yeah what did Ramona do?

She said some questionable things. Oh, yes, I saw that video. Yes, that video. Yes, I saw that. Very racist. Very, very not okay. She was disinvited from BravoCon.

Wow. She said some problematic things. Oh, no. Justin was a former intern for Bravo. Bravo, yeah. No way. Didn't sign an NDA.

A brinter. Didn't sign an NDA. You were loving it. You found him at Trader Joe's. Stop. Did you really? Yeah. I was shopping at Trader Joe's.

And now we all know it's a lie because you famously don't shop at Trader Joe's and during my three years working for you I've really tried to get you on board you honestly should I know

you just need to buy one snack they actually have really good watermelon really good watermelon the produce is famously bad no but reasonably priced you're wrong

they have good watermelon I've specifically gone to Trader Joe's for their watermelon. You like the smell of cinnamon? I don't. I don't crave it. They have like cinnamon brooms

this time of year. It's a classic. Very strongly. I got the cinnamon pine cones. Yes. But Justin did work at. I did. Honestly, Natalie,

you should go there because like pregnancy cravings, they have so many snacks that's what trader joe's is known for i will bring you guys i just don't i think there's too many snacks i don't i get overwhelmed like how do i know what you know it's just gotta just try them all it seems you know the secret at trader joe's is you can try anything you want like you can be like i want to try that and then they'll open it no way that's like a kid's paradise it's in the policy people don't know about it but like it's a thing yeah i also

heard there's trader joe's policy that if someone steals they're like don't don't ruin the vibes keep people happy that's iconic this is obviously secondhand in no way confirmed knowledge but I believe it I believe it if you go and steal something at Trader Joe's

it is not our fault this is all alleged and don't don't take advantage of their kindness and good thoughts but you can ask to try something

who's your favorite Beverly Hills housewife I was talking to you about this Denise Richards that's what I told Nick last night you like Denise too

I said that season of Beverly Hills when it was Denise and Teddy and Kyle and Lisa Rinna and Erika Jay. I think Lisa Vanderpump

was still on it, right? That's what I said. I said, I think Lisa Vanderpump too, but that was, I feel like the best season. It was so good. They were all so crazy. And Teddy is obviously

a friend of Shobin on a lot. And every time she comes on, she has a lot. She triggers time she comes on, she has a lot. She triggers people. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But I love you, babe. No, I love Teddy. I think she's great. Spicy, fun, you know, rattles

the cage. You should get into Denise Richards. I'd be under to come on. She needs to come on. Wait, who's your favorite Beverly Hills housewife? Well, I'm new to the show but like so far when Erika Jayne is every once in a while

lets her kind of Erika Jayne persona down and you see like her humility and like last episode when she was just talking about starting her life over and like not being able to shop I think she comes you know know, like or shops differently. She's she's so likable.

And I'm more interested in getting to know the real Erika Jayne, the person I met on Dancing with the Stars and had a few conversations with. I'm fascinated by her. But when she is Erika Jayne, the performer performer she's so unlikable yeah um and it's it's the i'm so i'm most intrigued by erica jane but that's when she's boring yeah but she says some of the most outrageous things and what is this outfit she's wearing in her i call them it. Is it like the confessionals with the tie? The pink latex suit with the bedazzled tie. It is so hard to take any of these housewives seriously when they're in these sad confessionals talking about their life struggles

and they're wearing Dior uniforms and these latex outfits. It's like, give me just a crunchy sweater that has a hole in it or something. A crunchy sweater? I don't know. What do you mean by that? Itchy.

He wants it to be itchy. Yeah, I want them to be like this kind of old sweater. They're kind of itchy. They're getting a rash actively. That'll really stir my empathy up for them. But when they're coming up in this latex. They're supposed to wear a long sleeve shirt under it, but they forgot.

It's real itchy. Absolutely. What do you think of Sutton? I love her. You know who Sutton kind of reminds me of? Who? Stassi Schroeder in 30 years. No comment.

In 30 years. They kind of look like they could be sisters no comment she agrees with me i like something she's i she feels i watch her and watch what happens live the other night well i saw clips of it she's so different i feel like on that show than she is on housewives. Yeah. Like, I feel like she's more fun outside of the show than she is on the show. Well, right now she's putting on this whole act of American ballet. Yeah.

This she's too good for fun, you know, or Vegas or, you know, nobody's too good for Vegas. Well, Sutton starting, starting trying to act like she is.

I don't know. See Susie, you really, I need to watch dive in. Yeah. Yeah. I have a is. I don't know. Susie, you really dive in. I need to watch. Yeah. Yeah. I have a question. With Black Friday coming up, are you a Black Friday shopper?

Do you have your eyes on anything? Did you ever wake up at midnight and get in lines? No, I never did. I've never been a shopper in general. I don't really like being in public shopping. I love an online deal. I love a Cyber monday yeah cyber monday girl i did um amazon prime day and i ordered like all the things from my apartment

that i had not gotten yet which i've been here way too long to have not gotten a lot of these things one of them being like a really nice coffee machine everything got stolen yeah and it was like the packages yeah yeah and it was such a big order that not only did they not like help me like they basically were like you have to submit a police report and then submit that and then we're gonna investigate it so like i'm still in the process of like getting getting my money back or whatever so i will be cyber money we're talking it was like a thousand bucks okay like not fuck yeah like not. Something you need to give a shit about. Yeah, exactly.

I was just like, this just freaking sucks. So I will be Cyber Monday shopping. Does your place not have cameras around the mill? No, they totally do. I genuinely think it was the driver. They said I signed for it. Oh. I have a ring doorbell on my unit.

Like you can walk up to my unit. So like I didn't sign for it. And nobody came to my door. How often do you think that happens? Like a driver's like, hmm, this looks like a pretty good package. Well, this is a big order. Like, okay, keep this for myself. I feel like Amazon's whole model is that if there's a ton of employee turnover.

Like, and like, I remember there was a story a little while ago that was like, Amazon's going to run out of employees because they just know that like a certain number of people are going to drop off. And so like they plan to have their workforce kind of filled with like a revolving door so it's just like a bummer if you get one of the people who's like not gonna last because they're stealing yeah this is my last day gonna take what i want yep go out with a bang yeah it's awful to have a package stolen i don't know that i believe in blue balls but i feel like it's the closest thing that like I'm so dead. It feels like that where you're tracking it and then it's like, today's the day. It's going to be here. And then to have

it stolen is devastating. I've been crushed for weeks. Yes. Crushed. Would you buy used makeup or perfume? I don't think I would. Well, according to Cosmo, an article, secondhand makeup and perfume is the next big thing in beauty. And to be clear, they are saying that a lot of...

Gently used. They call it gently used. I think for a lot of the beauty products specifically, it's like sealed or unopened. But then it begs the question, do you trust that? Yeah. Did Bethany Frankel write this article oh my god she gave like do you know what i'm talking about or something yeah so much beauty i was like i'm rich you're poor here's my makeup yeah it was like tj maxx damn well i mean i feel like with a perfume i would use a one spritz perfume that doesn't bother me yeah makeup is different though makeup

is different especially if it's like truly unopened then i could see that but yeah i think anything that's been opened that comes comes down to a hygiene thing. You can get stye. I was thinking your eyes. I'm like, it's giving Ulta beauty counter lip glosses. I was thinking about that where I'm like, it's crazy that makeup stores have

all these samples out. We have no idea what's happening to them. We have no idea who's touching them. Have you used any of them? They have typically Q-tips or something that you could dip in there. But you're trusting everyone else for you. Yes. Who have properly not double dipped.

What you can do is like if you want to try lipsticks, I feel like those freak me out because it's like mouth stuff. This is maybe not super respectful to the start, but you can like open it all the way. And then the very bottom where it's smooth and you can tell no one's touched it. That's where you put your Q-tip in. Smart woman. But still probably a little risky. What's a societal norm that you refuse to do? Mine is eat at a buffet.

Wow. I kind of like a buffet. Disgusting. A hotel breakfast buffet. There is no finer pleasure on this earth than like when it's like a medium nice breakfast buffet i love those you need to live more and it ruins my day oh i'm on vacation i have like a huge like i would never eat that large of a breakfast it absolutely takes me out for the next several hours but i love it it just feels nice you know something that nick

and i we always talk about how we need to talk about it on the show, but we haven't yet. And it's something we love to watch on TV or movies of other people doing. Mine is people sleeping. I love to watch people like in a bed, like in a movie. If they're like, it's like three in the morning and they're in bed. I love to like that makes me want to get. I'm like, that looks so cozy. Nick's is people chewing. You want to get i'm like that looks so cozy nicks is people chewing you want to eat loves i love people chewing i love a like a dinner scene where they're eating their food and enjoying their food it's psycho do you guys ever get on tiktok and see people

that are literally live streaming they're sleeping or making asmr with chewing oh you know what natalie's favorite thing to do in the world is? That's totally a thing. You guys should get on it. Natalie loves TikTok live. Like being on it or watching? No, I love, but I don't ever click into them. It's embarrassing. Then it's like, Natalie, joy, joy.

We don't need to let people know. I need an alias name. She is watching the most bizarre people. I was like, yeah. No, it's like people with like a karaoke machine singing in their bathroom. Yes. I live for it. Or just people like from small towns.

And maybe there's like four people in their lives. And it'll show up on my For You page. And they're just talking about their life. I love it. It's a very unusual and interesting part of the internet that is like new to us yeah and i agree it's very interesting i feel like it's gonna only become bigger like live streaming is just becoming such a big thing you just get sucked in people's real lives so yeah instead of going to like a blockbuster movie, Natalie, is this tuning into Pam from Spocone.

Spocone? Spokane? Iowa City, I don't know. Some places just have names where it feels like you should know it. Spokane, Washington. There's something about it. Is it Spokane? I'm pretty sure. I thought it was Spokane.

I thought it was Spokane. Spokane. I don't want to stop saying Spokane. I like it. Personally. So until a local corrects me, even though I very much believe you, I'm going to keep saying Spokane. Go fuck yourself. Or like Kalamazoo, Michigan.

Or you're just like, Kalamazoo. I haven't heard of literally either of these. Really? Never. I've heard of Kalamazoo. I thought that was something from Mary Poppins. No, Michigan. That's not, yeah.

It's in Michigan. There's Bell's Brewery. They do overall there. The west side of Michigan. University. Did Clayton meet your parents, vice versa? Did you meet each other's parents? Was that a big deal?

No. Absolutely not. No, yeah. Actually, my brother just got a workout plan from Clayton the other day. Okay. Yeah, everyone's cool. We're all friendly. Well, we're recording this before Sunday,

but Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift's parents are supposed to meet this weekend. Okay, well, that's a big deal, I feel like. Well, when parents meet parents. Everyone makes a big deal about, like, they met my parents. I'm like, who gives a shit? Like, maybe their parents don't care.

But when parents meet, it's a moment. My parents never met Clayton's parents. Yeah. They didn't? No. Okay. My parents never met Clayton's parents. Yeah. They didn't? No. Okay. But we both met each other's parents. Oh, sure.

Yeah. Well, yeah, that's what you asked. Oh, I apologize. I didn't. No, I literally asked, did you and Clayton meet each other's parents? Did your parents meet? I'm stupid. Oh, okay.

No, our parents never met. That would feel like a bigger deal because that's like you arranged that. Yeah. Yeah. It's like an event. It's an event. Well, I'm kind of telling that you guys didn't think it was necessary yeah you broke up we broke up yeah so that's fair do you think spoiler alert i guess you didn't see some people whose parents meet at the engagement party yeah or like at the

engagement planet i i feel like that's not uncommon. If I hadn't have thrown, my mom met Nick's parents at a surprise birthday party book launch that I threw for Nick. And if that wasn't a thing, where would they have met? Sure, but I feel like at this point we would have made it happen.

You don't think so? Maybe. Like probably the engagement party. Yeah yeah that's what she's saying like that's a fuck yeah am i broken i think so not broken just damaged um i feel like your parent your ex's parents love you like would still like keep in touch would give you the biggest hug if they ran into you at the grocery store. Yeah, how many parents liked you more than their sons? Well, I think I would say like previously, yes.

I think it was really hard on Clayton's family, to be honest. I think it was hard. I think like seeing their son go through that. So there was, yeah, like I don't really keep in touch with them as much like I I still follow

his family and stuff like that and I'm like so social media support everybody but but yeah my other previous exes like yeah they all

love me we're all besties actually I wore a bracelet the other day from one of my ex's moms yes no yes

it's so true like maybe you're supposed to throw out gifts from exes but not their moms not their moms not their moms they don't deserve that disrespect.

It's like, especially the moms, like my ex, like it's just him and his brother. So like his mom was so excited to buy like Christmas presents for a girl and she like popped off and I'm like, I'm not throwing this away. Yeah. This is beautiful. Literally same. I was at, I was home visiting my family and doing some wedding planning not too long ago. And my niece was doing a solo dance performance at the local fair.

So, of course, we go. And I'm like walking around the fair before her dance starts. And I run into my ex-boyfriend's parents and like his younger brother. Juicy. And I was they were like, oh, my gosh. Like they give me this big hug. It's like very cute. His younger brother, his two.

I think one was like nine when I was in his life. And he came up. He comes up. He's like, hey, Natalie, how's Nick? Oh, my gosh. It's great. It's like hey Natalie how's Nick oh my gosh it's great it's like really cute but cute so then um you know we chat for a minute and she's like well you know he's coming and I was like oh to the fair she's like yeah with his uh daughter and

girlfriend I'm like his daughter oh okay well, okay. Well, like, have fun. That sounds amazing. And she was like, I'll be honest. I already texted him and said that you're here. He's rushing. Oh, my God. As fast as he can. And I was like, oh.

And she was like, I'm going to get in so much trouble for talking to you. And I was like, whoa, wait. Whoa. What? Oh, my God. You are? And she's like, yeah, she's like the girlfriend. come on she's gonna it's just gonna be bad you're a nightmare of an like to be the current like it would be a fucking nightmare to realize someone had dated you like

you know what i mean like in terms of like you'd find your instagram be like are you fucking kidding me literally like literally you would be like oh okay okay okay cool cool well so she's like like, well, I don't want to get I don't want to stir any drama. Like, I'm definitely not here for that. You know, I'm so sorry. Like, love you guys so much. But I'm going to I'm going to go. So I go back, watch the performance with my sister. And then my niece is like, I want to play the fair.

So we all go around the fair and lo and behold, run into all of them. So I'm like, hi. I give him a hug. I go to give her a hug and she goes, no thanks. I'm fine. That is crazy. Bitter. That's crazy. Couldn't be me. Could not be me. No thanks. I'm fine. I was like,

oh, okay. I'm sure you are. And then I looked. She has their daughter in their stroller. So I'm like trying to look at the baby. Yeah. And I'm like oh she looks just like you talking to my ex. And she turns the stroller away from me. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh.

And walks away. I'm like okay I've literally never done anything to you. I've never met you. I was just going to hug you because I just hugged your boyfriend and your boyfriend's family. You were being warm and nice. I was trying to be nice but. Honestly, like, I don't think everything. Yeah.

I don't think everything has to be like a competition in life, but like you won that. You know what I mean? When I called him after, he was like, no, you won that. You won that. Like not and not everything has to be like that, but like if you're going to be a bitch, then it is, and you won.

I didn't want to hug you anyways, bitch, but I was going to. But I offered. I was trying to be nice. Out of the goodness of my heart. Literally. Wow. Obviously.

No, but that's true. That's you taking an immediate L by showing how much you're bothered by your partner's ex. It's like, okay. And you can't even swallow your pride and ego enough for five minutes just to show face and be a civil human being. Yeah, be like, hi, great to see you.

And then turn around and be like, oh my God, I hate her. Yeah, I hate her too. Okay, do that. Right. Or be like, no's an L see you and then turn around be like oh my god I hate her yeah yeah I hate her too yeah okay do that right but we're gonna be like no thanks I'm fine to turn the stroller around it's so crazy it's crazy was she also facing backwards no I was so uncomfortable I was like okay just turned around and walked away I was like I don't I can't I don't know what to do you were pregnant and showing at that point yeah but there was no you don't wanted nothing you don't deny a pregnant woman a hug i'm just gonna say that even in your delulu kind of mental state of thinking that maybe nally is some sort of threat to security of your relationship she's literally pregnant when someone else's child that she's madly in love with

like i don't know and then his mom comes up to me after because they all witnessed that happen and she comes up to me and she's like i am so sorry like we do not like that don't condone that don't care and she was like she texted um after i texted them and said you were here she responded and said i know you're talking to her like okay and then she said she's gonna keep the baby from her so she's like petty and she's like

you talk to his ex-girlfriend well like you won't get to see your grandmother oh my god that's actually horrid I feel bad for your ex to be honest I know and I don't even know him maybe I don't I don't know what it was yeah I was like I don't know what the deal was but like that's horrid. Well, his mom was like,

I will say, I always thought y'all would end up together. And I'm like, yeah, we were, we all thought that at 17 years old, you know, people can dream.

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Golden Bachelor. It is. He better pick Leslie. Yeah, they didn't really show much of him and Teresa's night together or their conversation. It really was just her talking about her career and then him being like, wow, I'm so impressed.

And I'm being like, Oh my God, our conversation went miles further than I thought it ever would go. Can we talk about him opening up this episode with Jesse? Nope. It was a preview of what was happening in his conversation with Leslie where she said when was the last time you had sex? And he said

with myself or with someone else. That terminology is not one I'm familiar with. We don't need to know that you masturbate last night. Who calls masturbating having sex with themselves? Is that a generational thing?

Christians. Oh, actually, yeah. Oh, okay. You checked out that I would not be aware? Good to know. Good to know. Yeah, that was rough. That was funny.

It was funny. Then Jesse. And then Jesse asked him, like, like what was last time you've been intimate or something like what does intimacy mean to you then oh yeah gary turns around well i'd love to know what you think about that's what gary asks jesse and then jesse's like um sexual yeah it's like whoa i'm not i'm the one asking questions. Yeah. You know, this is how this goes. Whoa. Who's the host here, buddy? But yeah, kind of a weird, weird moment. It's like, great.

I guess, did Americanita know that if a 70-year-old man still... But honestly, kind of so. I actually started Googling a little bit last night about some stuff. Does your dick work in the 80s? I think if you looked at my history, it actually is going to be a little inappropriate. But I was very much like, at what point does that start to stop working naturally?

And I think once you hit 40, you have like a 50% chance of erectile dysfunction. And then it increases by 10% for every decade. Wow. Yeah. So there's a 70-year-old, it's like 70% chance you experience erectile dysfunction. Maybe not every time, but, like,

I don't know the stats exactly. I'm not a doctor, but, like, I definitely Googled a lot last night out of curiosity. Read a lot of Wikimed. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Well, Gary seems to be at attention,

so good for him. I can't. I can't. Also, Leslie's here to let us know she still fucks. Nobody questioned that. Not a single person was wondering. We know Leslie. Leslie, you rock. Keep it on go. We saw you dance. You're getting down. We know you're getting down.

And that's all we're aware. As you should. Zooming out, what have you made of this whole season? Yeah. I've really enjoyed it. I think it's amazing. Big fan. I need a golden bachelorette and a VIP golden and I wanted to be in villages in Florida at the retirement home I know like I'm pitching that if they do that like just credit me it's fine I just want that so I love it I think

it's amazing I'm like rooting for everybody but I do have a hard time because it's such a heartbreak like I don't really feel that much sympathy watching the regular show anymore i just feel like oh we're all fine like we'll figure it out but like at that age and seeing and hearing their stories it's just like everyone they need to find love and it's heartbreaking so it is hard to see gary confess his love to so many people because i feel like people are gonna get really hurt yeah it was kind of like okay at first but now it's getting a real messy messy like yeah after the faith encounter from women tell all it's like oh like she's still shaking like leslie you know has been very vulnerable and to talk about her her you know past struggles when it comes to relationships and dating and her meeting some you know it sounds like she's had some tough relationships where men really violated

trust and things like that and it's like you fucking better pick leslie meanwhile the trisa you know sweet and all you know they're just not really highlighting that relationship so i'm just not invested in her and trisa him and tr confusing. Him and Teresa? Yeah. They've portrayed Teresa as almost like more into Gary than Gary is into her and kind of delusional about the chemistry that they have. And yet she is, you know, she might be the one, you know? And yeah, Gary gave us his pitch, you know? It's like, oh, everything changed in 24 hours and you're the best and but if he if he picks theresa i if i'm gary and theresa i'd be really pissed he told

leslie she's talking about um till death do us part and he says we will do that she's like i've never had that like we will have that he's like i, I've never had that. He's like, we will have that. He's like, I don't want to live without you. I don't want to have another cup of coffee in the morning without you. I don't want to go to bed without you. He says,

you're the one. Yeah. You can't say that and not pick her. And I'll be honest, like my theory is that it's Teresa based on.

They're setting it up. Well, like they, at this, at this stage of most bachelor seasons they do some misdirecting and usually the the one that looks the healthiest and the most fun is the one they don't pick i literally said last night they were giving teresa teresa then

the nate edit like nate on michelle's season where they made the they played the music so it felt uncomfortable and awkward and you start you're like oh there's just not like it's very obviously the other person and I was like wait this is literally the Nate edit and I think it's Teresa I just I don't know why I just have this feeling Justin uh like Justin Glaze is convinced it's Leslie I'm convinced it's Teresa and I I saw that and I was just like this is so messed up after the first day i was like okay never mind i switch i switch it's definitely leslie and then after trees today i was like either way this is effed yeah i i'm i'm worried you're right me too i'm worried i'm right yeah and. And if I'm Gary and Teresa, I'm fucking pissed because, you know,

Gary is responsible for the things he said to Leslie and faith, but like they have not highlighted that relationship. And I don't feel like if Teresa was, they don't, they protect the winner, the not the most, but like Teresa was the only one involved in any type of scandal. And it wasn't much of a scandal,

a little bit of drama that they had. But they portrayed Teresa as a bit of, like... Like, it was two-sided. It wasn't just... Yeah, it was a one-sided relationship, mostly based off of Teresa's infatuation with Gary. Yeah, and it's like she was always getting the last rose. And, like, she was very...

Even, like, this, after the fantasy suits, like, she kept saying i love you and he didn't even he didn't want to say it on camera he was like you know how i feel about you do you think there's a chance that gary's first time that maybe the reason being is that he like say knew he was going to pick trisa like many bachelors before him know who they're going to pick and thought, well, I can't give it away. And I have to be super careful about what I say that he went too far and in a way is not showing his feelings for Teresa for fear of giving that away. Do you think that's possible? But now that I'm saying that out loud, how do he literally told, like the shit he told Leslie.

I know. It was beautiful and romantic. And it was like Natalie pointed out while we're watching it. It's like Gary always like knows how to describe his feelings to all these women. He's able to articulate what he thinks and feels about him in ways that very few bachelors, especially in the past few seasons, have. Very few bachelors, especially in the past few seasons, have, which I have been kind of griping to the show. Stop casting these 25-year-old boys who have very limited history when it comes to dating. We are not interested in watching these boys become men on TV. Like, we're not.

We're not. Stop doing it. And Gary is a perfect example as to why. And Gary is a perfect example as to why. But I just hope that they don't ruin the whole beautiful season by him picking Teresa with the way they decided to edit the season. I agree. It's painful because I think it's Teresa. And I don't really know how you like redeem yourself after that, to be honest.

And not to say that I say all this, acknowledging that Gary is a very kind person, obviously. And I think it's so tricky when you get to the end. And if he really was unsure and going back and forth, what a horrible place to be. What a horrible place to be. And maybe he didn't foresee that happening that way. But yeah, I think it will be really hard to redeem him in the eyes of viewers even,

because it's like a little reckless feeling at this point. Not them joking about 69ing each other. Oh my God. The thermostat. Yeah. Yuck. Oh my.

Yeah. What else? They said something while the camera was off. That was like, he said, oh, you're really good at that. Oh yeah.

Yeah. That was Teresa. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, I hope this is about opening the champagne bottle. Yeah. But he also, when he was with Teresa, he said he could not stop thinking about Leslie. Right.

And then he says, funny how 24 hours changes things after spending the night with Teresa. I think they are totally setting it up for Teresa. Yeah. And the only redemption I think from the show would be Leslie's like golden bachelorette. But I don't think they're going to make that decision or announce that. I just don't see that happening. So how much influence do you think Gary's daughters have?

I think more than most families do yeah i feel like you would really value their opinion yeah but i think he would also probably like interpret it you know do you think his daughters would be threatened by leslie no what do you mean who threatened out she's 64 i mean mean, just, I don't know. Do you think they're, I don't know, almost protective over their mom's love for their father? And like, I don't know, Leslie is this kind of, you know, sexy kind of like nothing. She comes across as like someone very different

than Gary has experienced throughout his life in such a fun way. And maybe his daughters will be threatened by that. I don't know. No? Crazy? I don't know that I'd see them being threatened, but I think I could see, from my perspective, if my parents aren't even in that situation at all, but like if my dad were dating a woman

that was, is she like 10 years younger? Yeah, she's like, well, she's 64. Gary's what, like 73, 71? So yeah, so about 10 yeah and not that that's like a crazy age difference but i feel like at that point when you're a bit older and there's two people where like one is really close to your age range the other one's 10 years younger where i feel like gary and leslie could be living different lives within the next 10 years like and maybe not teresa teresa's i think 70 early 70s oh yeah so i could see maybe the daughters thinking about that

element and being like gary is young and hip for 72 or three or whatever his age is but i could see them being like you know what this feels more of like a match based on where you're at in your life right now. Where does Teresa live? Leslie's in Minnesota. They said they would figure it out though. They did. Teresa's in Minnesota.

And that's not that far from Indiana. Her hometown, Teresa's hometown is Shrewsbury, New Jersey. And on this website, it's saying 69, but I'm pretty sure I saw 70 on the screen. So TBD. Exactly.

Maybe she had a birthday. Wait, she did. She showed up in her birthday suit because it was her birthday. She turned 70. Honestly, 69 is for Leslie and Gary. That's right. That's their number.

Never mind. Yes. No. No. Sick. I wonder though if there's an element of i was talking about this with my boyfriend the other night about how like there's just different life expectancies with men and women and i kind of wonder like i guess you're just so happy to find love and you know nothing is guaranteed but like if you're leslie aren't you a little worried

like you know if you're finding love later in life like and there's already kind of an age gap like i don't know i just like i wonder if that's at all a consideration yeah it seems like he takes care of himself you know yeah yeah and i wonder if we'll like with because theresa it seems like she would be very eager to participate in family life right away. So I wonder if like his daughters might be more kind of off put by someone accelerating like the closeness process. Then that like then as opposed to like with Leslie where it's like they because the thing Gary says so much about Leslie is that she makes him laugh, which is so significant. Like I feel like when I was a matchmaker, that was the number one thing that people wanted was like i just want someone who makes me laugh like who i can like genuinely have a good time with and so if they're kind of getting there i could feel like that could be more of like a bill that the daughters could participate in as opposed to theresa who's like

i can't imagine my life without you gary like she's just very intense and in her feelings at what age is it like inappropriate to dirty talk never never i could see all three of them dirty talking i could too i don't want to hear it but i do i'm curious i could i mean i could take a guess i feel like I don't want to get into it, you know, but I'd be curious. You want to try? No. Ew, yeah, no, I can't even. Bachelor in Paradise.

All right, Bachelor in Paradise. Gary, you better, you need to pick Leslie. And not, you know, again, Teresa, we love you. You're sweet. You're kind. You're a gem.

It's just the story we've been presented. We're going to really, our heart's going to go out to. Yeah, you need to make that on your word. Because you basically told Leslie it was her. Exactly. Yeah, he's going to, we're going to be mad at Gary. It's going to be really hard. Nick, you had a very exciting feature recently of your beautiful home.

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Truly. And Jesse seemed annoyed. Jesse's demeanor was kind of frustrated. He was like, are y'all excited? And they were like, yes. it was like they were so nervous um i have no idea taylor it i mean his little bio said um charity's background extra so damn yeah ouch so yeah that's rough well and also i blame the show why are you bringing these people on Olivia you know the one or two

first night oners you know like the grocery store Joe it's like hey you know I guess the bachelorette or the bachelor had some bad taste and like I'm kidding about that but like they weren't their match but they're really relying like these early people these people who have left early

are doing the heavy lifting for this show. And the girl that came in, who was a night one, and left. Becca. Becca. She would have been great. Why didn't she stick around? Well, we heard there was a mental health crisis episode that they edited out of the situation. Totally fair then.

Yeah. No one's really talking about it publicly. Gotcha. Okay. But there was some shit. Crazy shit. Yeah. No one's really talking about it publicly. Gotcha. Okay. But there was some shit. Crazy shit. Okay. Well, a feeling of maybe being kidnapped.

Oh. We've all been there if you've been on the show. Relatable. Relatable. I've been there. Iceland 2021. You're like, are you going to let me go or no? The answer is no.

I'm just kidding anyways so jordan cutie cutie cutie yeah and like he was cute on rachel season i was i was hopeful for this yeah their date was once again lovely and nice and once again rachel doesn't like him also can we talk about the fact the bachelor franchise is like single-handedly like the marketing of tantric yoga like no other point in life do i hear about tantric yoga than on the bachelor franchise truly except for i think the barney the the man who used to be barney and his uh tantra career oh yeah, yeah. The guy. You know what? What was his name?

No. He literally like the sexual therapist after being Barney. He became a creep. Well, I think it was. I think it was above board with consenting people. I'm not. No. His clients.

It can be illegal and creepy. To touch them. Yeah. Yeah. And the Y To touch them. Yeah. The yoni or something. Yeah. That's your mystical female energy was your yoni. Oh, my God. So we had a tantric yoga day.

Is Jordan the first guy who's been broken up with the same person twice on two different seasons? On the first date? On the first date. Damn. When we were led to believe that both dates were quite lovely. Yeah, literally. I thought this was the redemption arc,

to be honest. I did too. Yeah, like what was the point of that? Yeah. Kylie and Avon are cuddled up on the couch talking about their future children and Avon says heaven because it has his name in it, which like

seems a little like okay yeah I bet that hit really hard in 6th grade like I bet that was a huge deal for a period of time I believe you

I would have been like whoa oh my gosh it's been a minute it's been a while I think we need to graduate from heaven we're done

and there's Navy Navy's cute. I've seen that everywhere. Sorry. Not original. That was a nice way of saying their name sucks. No, Navy is cute. It's fine.

That's a nice ring to it. Tanner is confused as to why Rachel's... I really love Rachel. I want her to go home on her own accord i said this last time it's ran its course her guy's not on the beach why are we having her go on a date with literally everyone i don't understand it it's beneath her i hate it for her i blame the producers protect your leads yeah this. Their whole usage of having all these Blatch Rats come down is

the least severe part of the season. Bachelorette abuse on Paradise. It's lazy. No, it is. It's lazy TV making. Go off. It's unnecessary. You're treating your audience like they're stupid and they have nothing better to do.

Are they going to stay? Are they going to do. Are they going to stay? Are they going to stay? Is Hannah Brown who you've seen get engaged? Oh my God. No, they're not. They're not staying. I hated that play when Katie came down and it was like, is she here to date? I'm like, dude, no.

I actually hate that play. It's already overdone and it's only been one season of Paradise. They did it four fucking times in one season let's have Charity come down and just gossip and talk shit I will say this roast date was spectacular and this is one of the group dates where I was like I want all the footage release it I want to know what everybody said because they said some

crazy shit mean oh my god it started out with Katie throwing out a couple jokes that everyone was like, crickets, crickets, crickets. Listen, Katie is working on her stand-up career, and I don't know how it's going to end up for her, but good for her for trying. I mean, like Olivia said, for her roast was, Katie, we know you had the most boring bachelorette season, but Rachel, at least Katie knows when to switch careers.

It was tough. Rough. Also, Katie's season was not boring. No. It was just gaslight gate. One of the most toxic seasons in the history of the bachelorette. Yeah. I was thinking about that in the car the other day, about how that was, I feel like,

the first really big public controversy in Bachelor Nation that I was working for you for. So yeah, I mean, it was a tough beat for Katie, but she's out there and she's going for it. So I commend that. And I don't fault really any of these Bachelorettes for going. I mean, to me, it's just a business decision. They got offered an opportunity to go on TV. They probably got some money for it. really any of these bachelorettes for going i mean to me it's just a business decision they

got offered an opportunity to go on tv they probably got some money for it i'm not here to say whether that was good for a good business decision or not for them but like i get why they went back on i just don't understand from a show standpoint like again do you really the fact that you feel like you need this that much goes to show what you don't have for us to actually give a shit about yeah you know investing your investing your characters yeah and i actually felt like katie's uh jokes at the beginning were funny but they didn't land because people were so confused they didn't know what it was and i was like yeah because no one comes down and starts telling jokes yeah yeah exactly and and i'm like that was like a disservice to katie in my opinion because it was funny yeah but it wasn't set up properly to like land i guess so then as an audience as a

viewer you're like oh yeah but it was not we were confused yeah at first i was too but then did she come to the beach to have a conversation with blake that she could have just like called him and had you know right she came to the beach to have a conversation with blake that she could have just like called him and had you know right she came to the beach to have a conversation with Blake that she could have and should have had maybe not on camera yeah to host the roast and that was that was fun I liked

the Hannah Brown what she did that was fun Charity she just stirred the pot that was not fun but this roast was fun yeah it was you don't think it was mean I think it was an amazing She just stirred the pot. That was not fun. But this roast was fun. Yeah. It was. Well, it was. You don't think it was mean? I think it was an amazing prompt for a day.

I think the execution was horrible. Like, especially when they were like, speaking of Rachel being above this beach, I was like, shut the fuck up. Some of these people. I was like, where's the joke? Where the fuck's the joke? You're just saying something mean. Yeah.

Well, I was in Tanner of all people. Yeah. Like, I thought you're pursuing this person. I thought, this person i thought you just said do you want to try it like do you want to try like i've been thinking about you i really want and then he says we were all so excited when we heard an ex-bachelorette would be here um turns out it was rachel and not gabby and i was like of all the things you could literally literally and to like ruin her mental health but then rachel literally says like I had just opened up to Tanner about a lot of things

that I haven't told people and for him to go up there and say something that was really mean. So it felt like she opened up to him about how hard that challenge was to be a dual bachelorette

and then he just like used it against her. It's horrible. Sickening. Yeah. Honestly, my take on the roast because we did a roast

on Clayton season most people aren't funny and if you're not funny you're mean don't yeah don't don't be mean in your roast like play it safe because you're gonna look like an ass and you're gonna like blow up the beach like exactly what happened and there's such a pressure to like be funny and like deliver these things and like of course producers are helping you write the jokes or whatever. But like at the end of the day, like the producer's jobs are to stir the pot, not make you funny. And if you're not funny, like leave the jokes to the funny people and just like play it safe, in my opinion. And I know that's maybe not the best life advice. Like I never play it safe, but like you're out. They were just mean. Yeah, they were just plain mean. And that's how it was

on Clayton season. They cut out most of what was said, but people were literally just mean. And I was like, uh, you're not funny. Yeah. But, um, that same,

same thing on the beach. Yeah. It seemed like the conversations that Katie had with producers were, we'll let you come down and kind of promote your comedy career. And, but you have to, you have to talk to Blake. And it was like a handshake

it must it must have been something like that well what did you make of her saying that joke about like like dating jess because she's young and then saying she called him daddy i don't think you're supposed i don't know i just feel like there's a certain like code of ethics around sex stuff where it's like you just gotta vault got to vault that shit. Like with your sex with someone. Yeah. It's like, don't like airs. Like some of that just needs to be private.

Jess is the bizarro Katie for any Seinfeld fans out there. What does that mean? Well, there's an episode where like Elaine meets, she, you know, she's friends with George and Kramer and Jerry and they look a certain way. They act a certain way.

And then she meets three guys who are the exact opposite of everything that Jerry, Kramer, and George are. And Jess is literally the exact opposite of everything that Katie is. It's kind of funny when you think about it. That's true. Yeah, because she seems very agreeable and kind of soft-spoken and kind. Yeah, versus's like whole thing is she's like, I'm going to stand up for what I believe in. Like, I'm not going to be silenced. Like, yeah, something's up. I'm going to say something about it. Yeah. Also, the fact that she's still in love with Blake, is that going to be a thing? who katie yeah she's not that was a performance why why would you perform like that that's stupid that's a horrible idea to be like i'm not over my ex of two years like well no i mean they she came down and they kind of spoke cryptically about their relationship but what i understood it to be and i'm curious what you thought suzy and everyone else in the room was that it was like

hey no this relationship did mean something to me as if like blake it comes across as if blake felt like katie never really tried kind of played him uh was never really invested obviously she had that whole thing with john who was on her season and there were maybe questions of infidelity and cheating and overlapping and shit like that and yeah I quite honestly I'm just surprised that Katie again like I mean maybe she had to agree to that for to come on the beach and promote her comedy career but it was kind of a bad look you know for her to come down and and kind of open that can of worms that we kind of all forgot about and moved on from and we're like yeah you know whatever yeah blake's doing his thing katie's doing his and to kind of remind us that oh yeah that did that was messy

and we had a lot of questions about how that breakup went down and it seemed kind of shady and they kind of said as much. Right. I mean, do you guys think that Jess and Blake were both kind of looking for an excuse to to fizzle this out? And when Katie came down, because I feel like the way they're talking like Jess is like I want to be in love I just want that I'm trying but like I'm not there Blake is like I'm not sure how I feel about Jess like all this has kind of brought this to fruition so I'm like do you think producers saw this as an opportunity to bring in an ex give us a storyline and then at the same time Blake and Jess are now like okay like let's talk about this because neither of us are really feeling it.

It's what it seems like. It doesn't seem like either of them are really in it. Yeah, I would agree. But I hate that because I felt like I loved them together. Me too. They make sense. Yeah. They're cute as shit.

Maybe outside of this if they were to give it a shot. I actually think, yeah, I could see them actually ending up together. I don't know if they're, I have no idea if they are dead or if they left Paradise together, if they're even still together. But, you know, Jess could maybe,

it wouldn't surprise me if Jess is just not the best TV. And I mean that if you're listening, Jess is a compliment in the sense that like, you know,

you're not being sloppy. She's not willing to like say shit for, she's not willing to perform. Like Katie literally is working on a career in entertainment. She's working. She is a, she's a performer. We had Nikki Glaser on.

She's, uh, the host of F boy Island. Katie is one of the leads on that show. And I was like, how is it like working with Katie? And Nikki's feedback is she's a pro. She knows how to make TV.

She, you know, she's good to work with. Like she is elevated and and then kind of her knowledge of the show and so when she comes down she's there to work yeah and i'm sure she got paid to go down there all of which just makes that's what's so irritating a show a franchise that has crucified its cast and kind of gaslit their audience to like the only people who are here are here for the right reasons and they're all genuine is basically all season long trying to pitch us

these fake conversations and make us believe that there's something there that's just not there you know if you guys want to hash out your past relationship that's not why we watch this show like go record a podcast or something or you know yeah like i want to see people fall past relationship that's not why we watch this show like go record a podcast or something or you know yeah like i want to see people fall in love i don't need you guys to re-litigate a relationship that yeah it's like fighting with your ex is the opposite of finding a fling for the summer like truly yeah so it's like we want it's just again this is i from to me the criticism is directed at the producers. I agree.

I think everyone else has just kind of had their own reasons why they did what they did. But to me, it was just lazy TV making. Are there any, at this point in Paradise, are there any couples that were invested in? No. I mean, Ava and Kylie seem strong. Eliza and Aaron. But I hope this doesn't come across as judgmental or rude, but I don't really see Eliza and Aaron in the real world.

They seem solid on the beach right now. It's cute, but I just don't, I don't know. I don't know that I see it. And I could be totally wrong. And maybe, I don't know if they're doing a reunion show, but I'm like, maybe we'll see like they're going strong and it's all good. I have no idea maybe, I don't know if they're doing a reunion show, but I'm like, maybe we'll see. Like, they're going strong and it's all good. I have no idea.

I just don't see it. Yeah. There's not really. You know, I will say, though, I've been pretty hard on Aaron ever since he was on TV. Just kind of rubbed me the wrong way. He often comes across as someone who I think, you know, has watched The Bachelor before and says shit he thinks he's supposed to say and and rather than say what he means to say or how he feels but he's kind of winning me over me too you know i he seems like a pretty nice guy and i was thinking about when i

was watching last night i remember like i really liked his hometown on charity season and that that says a lot to me about like when you see them with their family, knowing that there is an edit, you know, and things like that, just about what Wells Adam says. Yeah. I think he's won me over.

Yeah. You know, I might not be my favorite TV character, but I think he's a pretty solid guy. I do too. I actually, he's won me over as well. And I think kind of what you said about,

he's what, maybe watch the show knows what to say. think kind of what you said about he's what maybe watched the show knows what to say um i kind of felt that way in general about the relationship where i'm like i feel like he kind of knows what he should say as a guy or what he should say in a relationship and sometimes that's annoying but sometimes it's like no that's somebody that's taken note that's right in life and he's like rising to the occasion. And I kind of, and I like that. I literally said last night, I was like, you know what? Like, I actually really like Aaron.

He seems like a nice person, even if it's a little corny or cheesy or whatever. I think he's trying to do the right thing. Yeah, exactly. That's exactly how I feel about him. Where it's just like, you know, I might not love everything he says and I might not think all of it is who he really is, but there seems to be an earnest attempt at being a good guy. And that I respect. Me too. I got a night off.

Thank God. She taught some yoga. Yeah. Yeah. I want to be in that class. Mercedes burped the national anthem or something. I don't really know. I liked it.

I was like, yo. I was like, I want to see that in person. Can you teach me how? Can you come over? Can you come over? It pierced Tyler's ear. That was nuts. Oh, my God.

Yeah. Also, the Tyler Mercedes thing. That seemed really shady and bad. Oh, yeah. That was wild. So true. We haven't talked about that. Yeah.

The truth box and the roast. Two occasions where people were like, what did he say in the roast? Didn't he say something rude to her? Yeah. What two occasions oh yeah what did he say we're like what did he say in the roast didn't he say something rude to her yeah he was like what did he say he like called it like bleeped it out yeah what the hell was that in her itm yeah i remember the bleep being like what yeah it was like he called her as like a bitch or uh it was like something It was something bad. I agree. Yeah, I remember that. And I was like, release the tapes.

I need to know. Release the tapes. But I'm getting shady vibes. Mercedes' name is Mercedes, but it should be... Oh, yeah. Or something. Yeah, yeah. Should be... And he wasn't saying Prius, you know?

Yeah. They're not going to bleep that out. Could you imagine? She's like, that shitty fucking car? fucking car wait what if that is what it was yeah if it was like a Honda Civic or I don't know yeah gnarly way to edit this show is to just like randomly bleep people's words out and make you think that they said something that was so 100 has been done before we should do an edit like that. We should just take a scene and add in a couple of people.

Susie, you're such a lovely beep, beep, beep. Hey, Natalie. Beep, beep. Beep. Literally. Yeah. I was thinking about my conversation with Wells last week because he was just like, well, if you said it, then that's all's all that really matters and I'm thinking it's not about what you said it's

about sometimes what they don't air yeah or what you said how they take it out of context or you could have said something in week two and they use it in week fucking 11 yeah like so true again you know people blame the edit unnecessarily too often but there is one I feel like they also do that with the black box sometime. If they want to be low-key signal, like this person is like... This is a producer. It just puts in a note. Yeah.

Make the black... Because I feel like... Well, I don't know. There's a lot of black box during the yoga class. As in say, cat's yoga. Yeah. That's what made me want to join. Sign me up.

Taylor being like, the views and views and paradise are so great rachel feeling just like totally confused about tanner that was that she should yeah that was super sad but that's kind of how they left it right i i i really i feel for rachel yeah i i you know i think it was a a big decision for her to come a difficult one one. And, you know, you kind of can relate to that. Just like anyone who has a significant moment on the regular show, and certainly she was the lead. And she put a lot of thought into that. And I'm sure had a lot of conversations with producer. And I'm sure they were very convincing at times.

And they paid her and yada, yada. And listen, she chose to go. And she hadn't, you know know that was her choice but like again her guy's not there and i i really feel for her because i feel like she feels the pressure of making this work for her and not having to regret it and like once you're in the on the beach or there it's really hard to you know take yourself out of it so to speak and kind of think about like how is this all going for me you know you're you're she's too in it and i don't think anyone's looking out for rachel because you know no one really looks out for anyone there and i really i really feel for i

mean she's gonna be fine and she's gonna thrive and you know she doesn't need this and she's she she's nothing's bad happened for her she's not like she's come across poorly at all it's just i can i really feel for her because i feel now she's talking to tanner who seems like a nice good looking guy there's clearly no fucking connection there the episode opened up with her being like yeah i mean he gave me a rose because like i don't know we had a moment and like i don't know she kept calling it a friendship rose yeah yeah she and it it's and i i can't help but think that like it really comes across that producers are in her ear to like and they really you know it's like hey we we paid for you to be here so we want you here so we're gonna keep finding people for you to go out with and i'm

sure they're very convincing and you know again ultimately it it's Rachel's choice to be there. And, you know, it's it's on her. But I I wish people would have looked out for her a little bit more. to really feel okay even if I was like technically fine but it took me a long time to like really be okay and to just constantly go back and like reopen that wound and then for the roast to go the way that it did for her I feel like they just yeah it's like she might be like she is fine she will be fine in the real world but for them to dig in like that it's like that's a probably a trauma wound for her and if I like my personal belief and I feel like you're similar where it's like my expectations for my person my man it's like you got to be top tier you got to be above everything and the fact that you didn't know that you can't take a jab at me like that says so much about how unaware and how unqualified you are to stand beside me and be my man and that's what i saw in that moment and it made me sad for her it's like were they told to

like go after the person they're dating it doesn't yeah or maybe they went after multiple people and they only they chose to air the ones but yeah i would i'm not gonna roast my partner in front of people like that's yeah no chance one of the few roasts that i think was maybe more like understood the assignment was like even did an impression of rachel and yes you could see that there were ways where he was definitely like poking fun at certain things but overall it felt in good fun and then with everyone else it was just kind of like, this is harsh and horrible. So I wonder what it's going to be like next week. I know. We'll see.

Well, I think that wraps it up. Susie, as always, what a pleasure. Thank you so much. Thank you for coming. It's been fun. You're welcome back anytime. Thank you. Anytime.

Anytime. Thanks, guys. Start watching more Bravo. I will. I will. Adding it to the repertoire. Please let our audience know where they can find you, hire you, book you. Bless you.

Yeah, keep me booked and bless. Instagram, Suzy C. Evans. YouTube and TikTok, Suzy Was Like. SuzyWasLike.com. You can hire me. Hit me up. I'm just out here trying to figure it out. Seriously.

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