The Viall Files - E672 Reality Recap - Special Forces, Squid Game: The Challenge, and Housewives Tea with Casey Rose Wilson

Episode Date: November 28, 2023

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap Edition! Today we are joined by Casey Wilson to talk about all things reality TV. First, we talk about the Special Forces Finale and who was able to make it to the end. We also discuss Squid Game: The Challenge and what we think about the mother-son duo on the show and their very… close relationship. Then, we touch on the Golden Bachelor and what we’ve thought about the season so far. After that, we talk about how the hosts of The View have their doubts on Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce. Finally, we discuss Housewives drama - from Bethenny Frankel to paychecks to alluded affairs.  “There are Bachelor people, and there are Housewives people.”  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Join us for our new LIVE show on Thursdays at 9PM ET/6PM PT on Amp, available in the Apple app store. Android User? Listen here: https://www.onamp.com/   To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Quince - Make gift giving better this year with Quince. Go to https://www.Quince.com/viall for free shipping and 365-day returns on your order. MeUndies - To get 25% off your first order, plus free shipping, go to https://www.MeUndies.com/VIALL   Drizly - Drizly is the go-to app for drink delivery, especially during the holidays. Download the Drizly app or go to https://www.Drizly.com  to choose your drinks today. Must be 21+, not available in all locations. Uncommon Goods - To get 15% off your next gift, go to https://www.UNCOMMONGOODS.com/VIALL  Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @caseyrosewilson @nnataliejjoy @alison.vandam @liffordthebigreddog @dereklanerussell   

what's going on everybody welcome back to a new and exciting episode of the vile files reality recap edition i'm your host nick joined by the household of Amanda. Allie's in St. Paul still, right? Yeah? You haven't moved? Great. Justin is with us, our pop culture correspondent, and my fiance, Natalie Joy. And our special guest today, I'm super excited about

this one, the one, the only Casey Wilson is with us. Yay! Big round of applause yes Stan so happy to be here

hello I'm so happy to have you Casey I've been a fan of yours for a while and then we met at a little panel

we sure did a little fancy panel for variety not to brag and Casey was talking about her her show she has a wonderful show

where she talks a lot about Bravo and since we here at the household have gotten more and more into Bravo I'm new to Bravo Nation well if I may say

I've always said there's housewives people and bachelor people and that's with no disrespect to anyone I just think sometimes we are it's like cat and dog

people it really is but I'm finding more crossover lately and I love to reach our hand across the aisle. Yeah, no, it's nice to join forces.

That feels good. It was really, Scandival got us in. It brought us all together. Yeah, Vanderpump bridges us beautifully. Well, Natalie has always been a Bravo queen. Yeah.

And she's kind of anti-Bachelor. I didn't want to say anti, but if you're saying that. Well, it's like, you know, she never watched it before and like meeting me didn't make her want to watch it anymore. And then now having to

watch it to recap. Now I kind of make her watch it when we watch it. It's just long. That's my only like, yeah, knock on it. I, you know. Well, my only knock on it now that i've gotten into bravo is like bravo is so much more messy thank you i was gonna say no one's screaming at each other in a way that's like delusional and shameful and no one's throwing drinks no one's yeah it is a little

too nice it's a little too pretending their husband has cancer nobody's doing that you know episode three of some vanderpump season is like someone's having three affairs. There's a stripper involved. There's drinks thrown. There's a pregnancy. There's a pregnancy. And that's just like episode two. Right.

Right. Right. Yes. So we're happy to have you, Casey. I'm thrilled to be here. We have so much Bravo discussions. Before we get into that, we have a lot of other, I think, topics we want to discuss before we get to Bravo. Well, Special Forces finale.

Yes, I won. Yeah, I won. How does it feel? Feels good. Yeah. I haven't seen the finale yet because it airs on Monday night. We're recording this Monday morning. But it was a rewarding experience. Me, Tyler, Aaron. I really wish JoJo would have finished. ButJo being the queen that she is like she chose to eliminate herself and she had like

a very pragmatic reason for it like JoJo truly is do you know are you familiar with JoJo Siwa yes of course

Dance Moms yeah she's that's also Bravo Chastain yeah she's an absolute rock star and I really was just impressed with

her as a person but she truly is always like she's a pro. She's an absolute professional. She's always on. And she like, you know,

it was really, I liked how she sent herself home. Like she's like, I need to focus more on my personal life and like her ability to say, it's okay for me to like say no to this opportunity because I think she's always saying, yeah, she's always on.

And like on a per, you know, and as I've gotten to know her, you realize that she's, she's, I have so much respect for how she like runs her business as a, you know, just as a professional and she's only 20. It's really incredible. Nick FaceTimed her Sunday morning and it was like 7am and she was working out. She's like, this is my third workout this morning. And it's 7am and she's 20 years old. We were like that? She's like tap dancing. It's crazy. At 7.30. Yeah, she's like, and then I go into weightlifting after this.

We were like, wow, from bed. Yeah, she's incredible. But it was a wild experience. The torture part was truly torture. Yeah, when they were pouring cold water. The last scene when they were dumping cold water on Tyler and I, and it was like a blizzard. It was like the temperature dropped like 20 degrees. And it was absolutely brutal.

But we'll talk about more on going deeper intro after we watch the episode. But it was a really cool experience. And I'm glad me and Tyler and Aaron all were able to finish. And Tom Sandoval got eliminated at the end. He failed the interrogation. It's just so fitting. So perfect.

I haven't, I don't know what he did to fail it because I haven't seen it, but I do remember when we finished and I was like, what happened, Tom?

And he's like, he sends me this video, this YouTube video that has been on the internet for like 10 years of like how to beat because like special forces like the show's been around for i don't know 20 seasons they it started in england on like channel four is their big network and it was for like it wasn't like a celebrity version of it it was just like civilians, you know, who would, you know, normal people, normal, the normies, the plain clothes. And they would like prepare for it, work out for it. You

know, they had some really compelling stories. And so this, the content's been out there for a while. And Tom sent me this video of like, that he watched and he got all these notes from, and I do remember that morning they brought us in and they, they coached us and like, here's how you do this. They're like, your goal is to buy time, make friends, make a relationship, you know, like you're, you're there to be helpful. You're there. You are there to make friends, Nick. Yeah.

On special force with your captors, with your captors, you are supposed to. And I remember looking at Tom while they were giving us instructions and he was just like dazing off into la la land and then he sends me this video I'm like well I watched this video and I just don't know I did what they said in the video I'm like why didn't you just listen to what they said yeah he's like because that involves listening yeah maybe I don't know unfortunately he failed the interrogation but he did he. He did. I mean, he was, he did, he did very well. You know, he got through it, but we'll, again, we'll get in more of the behind the scenes on Thursdays going deeper, but it was super fun.

Are you, did you watch Squid Games over the weekend? Did you get to check it out? I didn't. It's okay. You got to watch it. You guys, did you, did you watch it? Did you watch the original version, Casey? I did not.

Okay. Are you familiar? Yes. Familiar. you familiar? Yes. Familiar. It was very violent. That's where I go wrong. And I think a lot of people struggled with that. Also, it was like dubbed over.

So you either had to like listen to it badly dubbed over or just read the subtitles. And some people are super precious. Some people will judge you. I told my friends that we listened to the poorly dubbed over because Nick can't read. Fast. Fast. Fast enough.

Anytime there's like, you know, when a movie opens and there's always like a paragraph that like sets. Yeah, be like, in 1975 of rural Germany,

like the only thing you need to know. Natalie will pat me on the shoulder almost and like read it for me. She gets it aloud. I really found a soulmate. That's so sweet.

I'm dyslexic. I just cannot read that fast. I love it. Some people are so precious with it. And if I don't, he's like, wait, what did it say?

Like, oh no, I'm so sorry. Let's go back. Like I feel so bad. Yeah. We went and saw Napoleon over the weekend in the movie theater

and she had like wizards i liked it i liked it i liked it too yeah like and a lot of the historians are you know critical of certain things generally i liked it okay i'm excited whatever i thought it was good but squid games the original like non-reality tv show version was it was captivating i mean the premise is is these they have like hundreds of people they do these games and once they're they show up they realize it's a life or death situation like they're playing red light green light and to get eliminated they get like shot and killed um and then the the last person who doesn't die wins these millions of dollars well they made a reality tv version of

it and it's remarkably like it's remarkably. It is so like similar to the real version so much so that when they get eliminated, they get shot like a, like a blood squib. It's like a, it's like a paintball gun or something. It blows up in their shirt and they just fall down. And it looks,

it would be like, it'd be like in the movies where they, you know, if you get shot, they have this thing that explodes on your chest and they, they fall over. They're clearly like instructed to die, I guess. But it's really captivating.

And it's a wild social experiment. For the people listening, if you watch it, we'll talk again on that more about Thursday. But I want you to pay attention to the mother and the son. There's a mother and son duo that come together. And it's all about alliances and things duo that come together uh and it's all about alliances and things like that very yeah and it's interesting who groups up you know it's amazing how people who group up with people who remind them of themselves and like personalities no matter what and there's a mother and son combination and it's i really want to know

people's opinions because i have some strong ones the mother is awesome she's I don't know how old probably in her 60s right older I don't know 60s ish and you get to know her she's a former New York Times editor in the sports department she talks about how she's this athlete she's like the first woman to get a scholarship for basketball and she's so impressive and she's like clearly a leader and she like doesn't, like she's not a follower and she's really impressive. And her son is fine.

Okay, there it is. Her son is just fine. He's a delivery driver. Okay. And I'm just like, noble profession, you know, wonderful.

We also don't know how old he is. He could be like 22 and like, this is his, you know, job while he's in college. I don't know. If your mom was one of the first New York times editors and I don't know, like maybe he couldn't handle that pressure. Yeah,

maybe. I don't know. The son's kind of a loser. I think. Oh no. But he seems so sweet. Yes. Okay. I don't know. The son's kind of a loser, I think. Oh, no. But he seems so sweet. Yes. Okay.

Yes. So nice. Well, that's good. He does seem sweet. The mom's a killer. She's. Is the mom going to kill him on the show? Well.

Maybe. I don't know. Well, there's a. It ends at a cliffhanger where. She kills him. I don't know. Well, I don't know that yet. I don't know that yet. don't know that yet but okay

it really gets into the whole like you know how close how how close is it okay to be with your mom is kind of like my question yeah because they're too close there was a part i'm watching it and i'm like stop hanging out with mom you know maybe make a friend outside of your little zone the fact that they're doing the show together is already like a little bit of a flag for me. Right. And I love, I have two sons. I hope we're doing these things together. Yeah.

But I'm not sure they don't. Delivery driver, noble profession. I'm just saying there are usually more desirable professions out there. I think most delivery drivers would probably agree with that. It's getting judgy. You can make great money being a delivery driver. But I just, I'm just shocked that if your mom

was, you know, a New York Times editor and then, you know, you have, that's access. The world's about access. Yeah,

it's like the mom is coming from like a very like kind of like academic, like intellectual background. A lot of contacts, a lot of people. She can probably open

a lot of doors, you know, through the people she's met. He opens a lot of doors too when he's dropping off the packages. Yeah, a lot of people. She can probably open a lot of doors, you know, through the people she's met. He opens a lot of doors, too, when he's dropping off the packages. Yeah, he's probably happier. A hundred percent happier than the rest of us. I feel like that work environment is probably a lot more.

Because mom's taken care of him his whole life. Well, also, to receive a package in today's day and age is one of the few forms of, like, delayed gratification. Like, it's one of the few things that you don't get right away. And so I think it is such a service to be the person who is... I feel like packages, I am self-medicating. They are another form of antidepressant that I take. That's so true. And just packages.

And he is the man who's providing that. I think that's actually a very hard job. It's like the opposite of someone who gives you a ticket. Everyone hates you. It is. It's the opposite of a ticket. Yeah. Someone brings you a package.

Maybe he's in it for the joy. Yes. Yeah. Santa. I'm curious what people think about that, that couple. Yes. Mom and son.

A couple. That duo. Kinda. I don't know. That sexy couple. It's so hot. Do you, do you feel sparks between them?

I've felt that on reality shows with brothers sisters a lot I'm like what's happening here there feels like there's just two

it's like electric I don't know if I want to have my kids to be that close no no like I want to

yeah healthy distance yeah and if you are amongst 400 other people make some friends yeah you know like don't always picnic with mom.

Do you watch Survivor? I have never seen Survivor. Okay, I hadn't seen it till I had sons. Wow. I just started watching it. I'm obsessed, but with my kids. And when sometimes they're reunited with a sister or brother, I have seen these sisters and brothers run across a beach, jump into each other's arms, like legs around, wrapped around. I'm like, this is,

this is no. There's a viral video going out on the internet of a high school football player and the mom who looks like a young mom, pretty mom, and,

which just makes it weirder. It just makes it weirder that she's like, Because you know he wants to fuck her. Well, like you can't really, she looks good for,

I don't even know how old she is, but she looks like a young mother. And she is she is doing the whole bachelor, you know, where they jump up and put your arms around their waist. Like there's this viral video of this and it's kind of like, whoa, whoa. Like I don't boundaries with mom. I don't know. Yeah. Do you have you have how many?

I have two sons and a baby daughter. Oh. But yeah, then my husband was like, let's keep some boundaries. Like, let's be getting in the closet. Right there. Right there. Thank you. Oh.

Yeah. That's. Oh, I don't love it. No. No, it's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot. Yeah.

Oh, what did the mom say? She defended herself. She defends. The New York Post. Yeah. Oh, what did the mom say? She defended herself? She defends. The New York Post. She said, I wanted to go in for more. It's just how we are. Oh, that's not a defense. That's how I'm going to defend everything in my life.

Just how I am. Okay. To play, this also makes me feel weird, to be clear. Okay. I just want to start by saying this makes me feel a little weird. But do you remember when there was all of that... Everybody took issue with Tom Brady kissing his son on the lips. That's not the same.

Well, it's just like familial affection is kind of different family to family. There's some... I know my ex and his dad would shake hands. I never once saw them hug. I prefer that than the other end of the spectrum. I mean, I kissed my dad on the lips. I don't know when I stopped as a young boy. Yesterday.

At Thanksgiving. At Thanksgiving. That was great. But when I saw that video of Tom Brady kissing his son, I didn't think anything of it. I didn't either. I think, yeah, I just kissed my parents. It was like a peck.

That's different than your heart. it's just a peck. I'm not like making out with my dad. I'm not licking each other. But you're a high school son and you're at the game and you jump up and straddle them. It's a tough freeze frame. I think that's where they're getting caught up.

Well, I've seen the actual video. It's okay. It's even worse. It's even worse. This is a little bit better, yeah. This is good. Oh, no. It's the hip-to-hip is tough. The crotch-on-crotch is a little uncomfortable. That's difficult.

Yeah, there's no working around that one. Wow. I don't know. Yeah, but what can you do? Let's say you're this high school boy's girlfriend, like and eventually you eventually like marry into this family. Like there's nothing there's no way to like confront that or like nothing to be done about it. Yeah. Like what happens? Everyone's going to get so defensive and be like, how dare you? He's like she's like, what's your love language? He's like physical touch.

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but I wanted to get your take. Have you been watching? Do you enjoy it? Have I been watching? Okay. Oh my God. Oh, Jerry. You know, now my friend thinks, has a tougher theory that I wanted to bring here because

you know, and it's a bit controversial. Do you think there's any way that Jerry poisoned his wife, Tony? Wait, is it Gary or Jerry? Gary? It's Gary. It's one of those names. It's spelled Jerry. No, and it gets me.

And I don't know which. I genuinely don't. It's Gary. Okay. Gary. Spelled Jerry. Spelled Jerry. Spelled Jerry. I can't believe I messed up his name like that.

I think even the women were like, do we know what it is? I think some of the women got it wrong. Yeah, and they played that blooper reel where I think the photographer or a date host said it wrong. They were like, nope, it is absolutely Gary. But can you elaborate on your theory? Well, no, my friend was just like, Gary is living a great life. It seems right now he's loving it. He's having all these women.

And he was just like he we just he said he hoped that nothing untoward happened with Tony, the wife at Gary's hand. And that's beyond unsubstantiated. It's untrue. I miss Faith. I just want to throw that out there. I do too. And I hope Joan is the new bachelorette. Same.

Why not Faith? Faith wants to be with her horses, be they alive or dead. Yeah. She wants to be buried with those horses. We don't want a horse girl. Why couldn't she just take up the, exhume the horse's ashes and bring them? I think she wants to be there, right? I think so too.

Can they cremate a horse? It seems like it's very important for her to be with the remains, so maybe there's like a more transportable version, right? Right, right, right. I think it's tough to cremate after the fact. Like, maybe on her psyche, you know?

Can you imagine, like, that call to the funeral home? Be like, I'm so sorry. But have you seen Gary? Circling back. Listen, I need to find a way for us all to move to Indiana. All of us. Faith and her family.

I love Faith. Who do you want to win? We've been saying that if he picks Teresa, which more and more people are suggesting that he will, I would just be super pissed if I'm Teresa and Gary, because the edit they're getting has been one of she's kind of like the person on a lot of seasons prior to this one. of seasons prior to this one where there's always like some person who just seems to like make it to the top four but there's no connection whatsoever and they kind of float and that's the edit Teresa's getting where it's just like why she seems obsessed with Gary and Gary's just like I don't mind you you know yeah like you're you're not he's like you're here your presence doesn't offend me yeah you know I'm not trying to thrill me I'm not trying to get rid of you you're here. Your presence doesn't offend me. Yeah. You know, I'm not trying to thrill me. I'm not trying to get rid of you.

You're here. You're fine. You're standing there. Yeah. There you are. And that's the relationship we've seen. But do you think that that's what they want us to think, that it's going to be Leslie? I guess.

But it's better. Tell us. It's their first season of The Golden Bachelor. And I just feel like having Bachelor Nation or whoever's watching this show or newbies to Bachelor Nation, I would think it would behoove them to have a relationship that we are rooting for. A love story. A love story. And I'm not in any way invested in Gary and Teresa like at all. I know.

So if he picks Teresa, it's going gonna more or less be like okay you're right and it's not a show where like i need to be wrong i'm so happy if it's like well i'll be happy to see them together i think yeah it's just like i didn't really need to be like shocked right watching we're watching for the you know i'd like to see gary the beauty of this like second chance at love and the fact that you you know people who are in their later stages of life can still find that despite what they did to their wives yeah despite you know poisoning their wives and just kidding i know the service industry is a it's a shady bunch that's where gary's from yeah i pump rules has taught us listen people people be fucking Gary should have his own restaurant

like Lisa Vanderpump oh my god there it is open like Gary's place or Jerry's place or whichever and he hires all the golden ladies

yeah oh my god the golden ladies the golden ladies they're all the waitresses that'd be really good yes yeah

and then he gets like one of the Seinfeld episodes where they find out he's they only hired like large chested women and they get in trouble. I just love the show when when the host Jesse said the first time when he said, ladies, this is the last rose of the morning. I die.

I'm like, this is genius. Like, yeah, it's the morning. Yeah. Good morning. Doing it. Good morning. I love it. I love the women. They're so sweet. And I just love it. He does a great job of making all the women feel great. But to your point, like no one's perfect, you know, and these are all just people who have lived long lives who probably have some, you know, baggage.

And I'm kind of curious what Gary's baggage is. And I would like to know, like, if it's not poison. Like, I don't want to see a video come out of like Gary in the middle of the night, like ranting and raving at like a car, like that is swerved off. Like off like i'm doing whatever it is like i don't want to see the bad side of gary you know what i mean like i know you're ranting at a car that is where i was i can't describe what was in my head but it was getting dark so i tried to like chaotic just something chaotic viral footage of him like in the median i don't know i don't want it outside of his car shirt is off you get it something we're something housewives crazy yeah we don't want gary to get housewives

how early do you think gary puts up his christmas tree december 23rd what probably wow i feel like he's a late bloomer i feel like a traditional I feel like there is a trip every year where his grandkids come and he insists on like letting the youngest one pick out the Christmas tree. Like, I think there's probably a really cute ritual around it that is family oriented. Gary fan over here. Yeah, I like. No, I can see that. I can see that him like they're they're all picking out the ornaments. And yeah, no, that's cute.

Well, maybe maybe earlier than december 23rd well what is everyone else's stance on christmas tree ours was up the second of november wow that's the third year in a row we pull it up early and who drives that i really both of us i mean it was more natalie like the difference between putting it up the second and the fifth was natalie it's a small window you know yeah well i'm more like everything can always wait two days natalie's like hey let's second and the fifth was Natalie. It's a small window. You know? Yeah. Where I'm more like everything can always wait two days. Natalie's like, hey, let's get this done.

I'm always like, why? Why right now? Why this day? Why in this moment? It's super fun. I'm obsessed. It's really fun to always have that with him. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

We should do this now. And he's like, what about if we did it this weekend? And I'm like, hating that. Then when the weekend comes, are we then? And then he's like, well, we're relaxing. weekend and I'm like hating that because then when the weekend comes are we then and then he's like well we're relaxing I thought this weekend and I'm like no but remember he said we were going to go to the storage unit and clean it out well nobody wants to ever

go to a storage unit and clean it out there's no good time for that and you well I would have it up sometimes I've had them up the day after halloween before nothing wrong with me halloween and thanksgiving are like way stations just to get to christmas there to be gotten through i do have many trees and i you know i'm gonna just own it i like to have how many

trees do you have we just have one our place can i can i try to convert you on one thing yeah a bedroom tree i just want to say this to listeners, okay? A bedroom tree. I don't even put ornaments on it. Just white. It's fake. I throw it up. I do a little village next to it.

Having at night, having your room aglow with just a warm light. Because here's the thing. We put up these trees. We take all this time. We do it early. But we're not always in that room. Honestly, you're so right. Natalie, then what?

Okay? You know what we're doing? Not this weekend. Today, we're getting another tree. Just one of, you will be so happy to have that holiday spirit

when you're in bed, cozy in your room. So you've got your hero tree in your main space. Your hero tree. Then you've got your bedroom tree. Now I have an office tree now,

which is a very strange white one. It's not my best. Right. And then I have, is that you zooming in, Casey? Yes. This is my version strange white one. It's not my best. Right. And then I have... Is that you zooming in, Casey? Yes. This is my version of social media. Cinematic.

It's sort of like... I hired someone to do that. I'm just kidding. My social media manager. I know. I'm so sorry. You all have to keep seeing that. It is quite on the loop.

Yeah. Can I advocate one more thing? No, please. For the season. Just... And one more thing for the season? And I'd like to, you know, maybe for this to be my humble brag, a phrase that a friend of mine created. Maybe this will go down in the annals, which is called tree time. TM. So I'd like everyone to just throw it.

If you love Christmas, think about putting it in your calendar. Okay. It's at night. Maybe it's six to ten where you just i want you to look when people ask you for plans in december you only have 30 days to look at this tree that you put up so just think about when you try to make plans at night like wait a minute i could have tree time where i just simply sit there and stare at the tree it'll it'll help you weigh your options of what you say yes to and no to in december and that's all i'm saying and you know i'm sensing from both of you i'm

kind of loving it no i'm just a thought because we have so little time with these trees. Not us because we put them up early, but other people. I'm talking about normal people who put their trees up after Thanksgiving. We currently only have one tree, I suspect, after today. So sorry. That will increase. But our living room has very high ceilings and it pairs very well with a Christmas tree. Our living room should have a Christmas tree year round, to be totally honest with you.

And that's why we put it up. But also to your point, like I just, I think living in LA, we lack seasons here. And I think ever since Natalie and I started decorating early for Christmas, it's a way to circumvent the lack of seasons here. And it really makes it feel like Christmas time. And it does make the two months that it's up more magical at home. It does. It does. It really, it's a vibe and I really quite

enjoy it. Well, I feel like also because you got your home in like kind of like fall winter when you bought it. And I, I remember you like posting your tree on Instagram. So it kind of, that's the way I kind of like envision your house is in Christmas mode. Yeah. I would, I'd love to figure out a way to never take the Christmas tree down. So in my community, that's just my six friends and I that are obsessed with Christmas. I have a friend who's taken that leap. That's a harder leap for even me, which is like, she does white lights and tries to make it like it's a warm thing and not Christmas. It's a harder leap to make, but there are people in July when it's 95 degrees. There are people that extend it into like winter lights or something.

And it's like February. I could do that. January and February. They transition it like ornaments off. I could argue tree up until Valentine's Day. Yeah. Absolutely. Take it down to celebrate the opposite of what's happening with your love.

Standing strong. What do we think about the external Christmas displays? Because like like did you have a house in your neighborhood growing up that always balled like the clark griswold house okay tell me about the clark griswold house well i mean if are you not i mean is this like am i aging myself oh yeah i i thought you were when you said that i thought you were referencing a specific family wait like a cute wisconsin family have you not seen like National Lampoon's like Christmas Vacation? No.

Oh my God. First of all, it's just a magical Christmas movie. Okay. It's from the 80s, right? Wow. Yes. It's from the 80s. It's from the 80s, right?

Wow. We're old. I'm just like taking it in. Well, it's like we grew up with like the remake of it. So Vacation with like Jason Sudeukas is based off of that right maybe wow yeah wow it just doesn't compare natalie have you seen it nope okay absolutely not i which i'm surprised because typically i am so sorry no and i'm hearing you we're in the minority yeah and we have to take that seriously ali have you seen it? Yeah. Okay. Allie gave us.

She's from the Midwest. If you needed like any confirmation of you as a little kid like being bisexual or any sort of curious like that girl jumping in the pool. Christy Brinkley.

Oh, woohoo. Yeah. Oh, woohoo. Yeah. Anyways, the Clark Griswold house for those of you who don't know Clark Griswold had a very magical

Christmas display outdoors and it was a whole thing. Every inch was covered in lights and then the lights weren't working. Blah, blah, blah. Clark Griswold had a very magical Christmas display outdoors. And it was a whole thing. Every inch was covered in lights. And then the lights weren't working. Blah, blah, blah. But yeah, that would be the Clark Griswold house. We have yet to decorate outside.

Do you decorate outside? I do. We have kids. I feel like once our daughter is born, then it's like that's when you start to make it everywhere. The magic is everywhere for the kids. I can't wait for reindeer. How old are your kids? Seven and nine. They still believe in Santa? Yes. I do too,

obviously. Do you do reindeer food and snow tracks? Yes, the whole thing. I can't wait yeah we will be doing do you decorate or do you like hire out well the outside of the house i hire out i decorate all the inside i think it involves a ladder yeah i don't need to like prove my handiness at this stage of my life

i never said I was relatable. I'm not served in other places. That's right. Me taking a nap. We do lights for Halloween too, just with kids. They love it. I'll swap them out at Christmas. You're going to love it.

I'm so excited. Are you paying attention to the Taylor Swift and Kelsey relationship at all? Do you have any hot takes? Are you supporting it? I'm so excited. Are you paying attention to the Taylor Swift and Kelsey relationship at all? Of course. Do you have any hot takes? Are you supporting it? I'm supporting it. The ladies on The View don't seem to be supporting it at all.

Why? I don't know. They're talking shit about Travis. I don't know. Oh, wow. Yeah. There were just some discussion of red flags, especially because they were sort of commenting on in his interview with Forbes or Business Insider.

He was talking about how he doesn't want to like say something to push her away. And so they were sort of like taking that as he's not as authentic as he could be. Or like maybe he's trying to always like send his representative, which is to say like only be the best, most curated version of himself. And that maybe he's not just like being his true. It's a new relationship. He's right. I right that's what you do you know you try to be on your best behavior and you're polite and you i don't know i feel like travis kelsey and taylor if they work out are there are the royal couple that you know that

what's her name and his name are trying to be megan and yeah harry harry nick hates them yeah well i do yeah i think because our i stand with you they're just all all i know about them is they just fucking whine and complain about everything and they're the most privileged people in the world and yes life that they have things everyone we all have things to complain about everyone everyone can complain about something and it sucks that you know they have things, we all have things that complain about. Everyone, everyone can complain about something and it sucks that, you know, they have family drama.

We got family drama. Everyone has family drama. Everyone went home for Thanksgiving and dealt with some family drama. Everyone, not everyone got told

they were fat when they're pregnant at their Thanksgiving though. Like I did. Call me whatever you, oh. What? Oh.

What? Why did you say that? No. No, no, no, no, no, no. Like I did. What happened? Am I able to ask? Oh, yeah. Why did you say that? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. What happened? Am I able to ask? Yeah, of course. So I am pregnant and, you know, obviously have a belly since I am growing a child.

And we I guess it's I don't know, the old Southern, I have no idea what it was, but my father, um, twice I said, Hey dad. And he said, what up fatty? And I was like, her brother said something. And then my grandfather who's 94 and the sweetest man. And I know he does not mean it in any sort of way. He said, I want to tell you, cause I saw him Wednesday night. And I know he does not mean it in any sort of way. He said, I want to tell you,

cause I saw him Wednesday night. And then again on Thursday, he said, you look absolutely beautiful. Last night. You just look, I mean, truly I've met you just so beautiful.

And I said, Oh my gosh, thank you so much. And he said a little bit heavier, but so beautiful. And I was like, Oh, yeah.

At one point, he knows not what he said. I said out loud, these are facts, you you know i'm just stating facts you are heavier but still beautiful still beautiful i appreciate it back oh i now i kept telling me this and i i was always mad because i wasn't around her when they would say this and she told me and then at one point at the baby shower with her brother and her dad there i was like there's an alarming number of men in this family who like to

really shame pregnant ladies. Her brother goes, well, I was just joking. I go, no, you don't get the point. Like, it's not funny. Wait, your brother did too? Yeah, my brother did too.

And then he was like, no, no, no, no. What I meant is like, you're carrying it really well. Like, you can't even tell in your face that you're pregnant. You know how like some people, and I'm like, just stop.

Stop digging. Speaking to me. Why don't you just say you look so beautiful. Because when I walked in, he said, oh, I wore a neon pink dress because like having a girl. Let's like pink it out. And he goes, you kind of look like Pepto Bismol. And I'm like, okay, that's a brother. That's a brother comment.

Right. Like I would expect that from you. Sure. Honestly, thank you. I appreciate it but then the like wow it's quite a belly or like hey tubby or is that something that other families are experiencing with the men in their families i mean it was i've here's the thing i gained i gained so much weight with both my kids that I think no one said anything to me because it was so bad. Like, I think in your case, they're like, oh, you're obviously so gorgeous and look so wonderful.

Not that anyone should say anything ever. But I think in my family, everyone was like, oh, my God. They couldn't say it. What do we do? Don't say anything to Casey. Yeah. And like, is this baby okay? Oh, no.

And then everyone kept asking after the fact like how how big were the babies like what size and it wasn't the way people ask like oh it was like a hundred pounds six pounds in everyone's face was hard but you look so gorgeous in my brief experience because this is my first kid and like it seemed like now what i've learned from natalie is that like you're experiencing a lot of changes and no matter what a pregnant lady might look like she's going through a lot it's not what you are used to maybe just don't share your opinion whatsoever just offer a compliment because you have no idea how they feel about what's going on yes Yeah. Yes. Nothing. And then my dad at the baby shower, there's we her name is on the cake. It's on some signs like my sister really.

Oh, yeah. Her name out there. And my dad, I hadn't really like sat with him yet. And he's in a wheelchair. He's very sick. And so I went over to him and he's like, so what's what's up with the name? And I'm like, oh, you haven't seen it. It's on the cake and the signs. Like, that's what we've decided on well i won't call her that i was like okay he's

like i just don't think that that goes together the first and middle name and i was like well do you have any suggestions or yeah but he's like well i had one but i forgot it i'm like okay well maybe let's not my aunt said that she goes, I won't be calling her that about my daughter. I was like, excuse me. I've never heard of such a thing. I said, I've never heard that response. When someone says this is a name, you just simply use that name. You just say, okay, you fold that name in and integrate it. I won't be calling them that. I wasn't there when you said that. I feel Nick's like, I feel like you were like, we need like a Supercut montage

of like people saying like kind of inflammatory stuff to Natalie and you're just like in the kitchen kind of opening the cabinet like a hacker. It seems like you were

suspiciously absent during all those comments. I was socializing with the rest of the family. Nick was watching the Packer game on Thanksgiving. Yeah,

but this didn't happen on Thanksgiving. And then he was playing tag with my nieces and nephews. That's nice. I was playing tag. At the baby shower. I was playing tag.

I think moral of the story is tell pregnant women they're glowing and nothing else. Truly. I can get real feisty when it comes to our family. I would talk some shit to her dad if he said,

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Don't do it again. Before we get into Housewives, Olivia Flowers is with us for Going Deeper on Thursday to talk about her drama and Southern Charm going on. Do you watch much Southern? You know, I used to be Papa dude. I was like the first five years. I'm like a couple behind on this season, but I'm loving it. Yeah. The transition music. Thank you so much for pointing that out. It's really I've been struck in watching Southern Charm, getting excited for Olivia to come in like they the little ditties that they say the little ditties are really something. I love it.

Well, we really get into it with Olivia, so you will not want to miss that. Okay, wow. What's your favorite Housewives? I think New York has been my favorite. Even the new? Original? No, no. I'm sorry.

The original. Oh, my. Legacy. I'm so sorry. I stand very corrected there. I just meant as a general franchise. Okay. But I did not care for this reboot of sorts.

It's not really a reboot. Whatever it was. It's just like all new. Recast. Yeah. It should have been called like Ladies of New York. It's not a housewives show. Not one of them is unselfaware.

Yeah. Right. No, but they all need to be absolutely delusional. And these are women who are influencers. Yeah, they seem pretty normal. Normal. No, thank you. need to be absolutely delusional. And these are women who like are influencers. Yeah, they seem pretty normal. Normal. No, thank you. Like you grab a cup of coffee with them.

And they're trying so hard to create the drama that all the other ones have. So they fight over the dumbest stuff and make it last so long that you're like, you know. It's like if they got into a DUI, they'd probably like stay and not leave the scene of a crime and get their ticket. And that's so not what I want for my housewife. It's way too responsible. I don't want them sober. I don't want them aware. There's a lot that goes into a great housewife, and it's not who you would hang

out with in life, let me tell you. You want a contest who's like, assaulting the police officer. Yes. 100%. You want someone who's going to give away old makeup to employees at TJ Maxx and think they're doing the Lord's work. And think they're a hero. Yeah.

An American hero. Yeah. What do you think is going on with Bethany? You know, look, I will say this. Her charity's done great work. I'll say that. I think she wants to remain or be like, attach herself to things. And I think she just, this reckoning, I think fell very flat.

Yeah. The Vanity Fair article. I'm like, what like what is this it was nothing really it was like a nothing burger and she has not barely commented anymore on that since it's so transparent yeah so and i'm a big not that we shouldn't have systems in place to make sure people are paid and all of that but i'm a kind of like don't bite the hand that feeds you person and it just feels a little like yeah there's so many that's not the mouthpiece that movement i don't bite the hand that feeds you person. And it just feels a little like, I don't know. That's not the mouthpiece, that movement. I don't think it needs that movement, but it should need, but of course people should be paid, but it seems very self-serving. Yeah. I just, they lose me when it comes to like the conditions that they are operating on. Like no better example than the fact that like i literally just got done doing a

show called special forces where i subjected myself to literal torture and it would be so bizarre for me to like get done with that and then complain about the torture that i received when i knew that i was going to be tortured and while Housewives is a different animal, but like all these people do agree to a certain environment that these shows are up front about. 100%. And it's just so bizarre to me.

And Housewives are paid very well. Yeah. So well. Very well. Like Mariska Hargitay money, some of them. Yeah. Candy Burris,

he has like two million for one season. Wow. That's stupid money. So much. But it's also like two million for one season. Wow. That's stupid money. So much. But it's also like any job. The longer you stay, you make more money. I was literally just asking this.

Nick, I said, how much do you think? Because we were watching Beverly Hills. And it's like, how much is Garcelle or Crystal getting paid for this? Because they seem, they're so limited on the show. But they're still being paid for an episode. That's crazy. Yeah. What is this, and I'm sure you could clear this up a little bit, Justin.

Garrett Morosky from FBoy Island. Did you hear about that, Casey? No, what? I actually saw this clip. He claims to have had a threesome with two Beverly Hills housewives. Oh, I did see this, okay. I'm sorry, I didn't know Garrett's name. Is it current or former?

I didn't either. He didn't really specify. He didn't specify, but I think it's alluded that it's current. He says, did I ever tell you I smashed two of the Beverly Hills housewives? I shook their husband's hand after. I had a threesome with her and one of her friends who's also on the show,

midday, in her husband's bed. I get a text message from her husband saying, I'd love to meet you. So I go to this dinner and he's like, listen, if you ever come around my family or my kids again, my buddy right here will take care of you. Like who? Is it? Well, who are the housewives that are actually married? Well, we know Sutton doesn't get a second date. So Sutton didn't get a second date.

She's super nice. So we have Crystalyle we have durete durete we have erica every time every time i could see being the friend they came over yeah or the way they both married he said he just shook their husband's hand after so definitely but it's like husband like it oh it could possessive like it's one husband okay that's true it could be the one husband yeah and i think a good detail is i didn't put it in the notes but when before he got the text from the husband he actually ran into the husband like at the house yeah and the wife was like just say like you're working in realty like and you're just here to like yeah yeah yeah advice or something telling me kyle because that's what so that's who i thought someone that's buying houses or doing something oh yeah and also i

mean their marriage is not yeah no longer with us so yeah and they seem they they come across as a progressive couple where it's just like, I could see them being into like, more of an open type of... I can see Kim, sorry, Kyle and Erica. That's who I thought, Kyle and Erica. For sure. I thought you were Kim.

I would hope it wasn't Kim and Kyle. I was like, wait. Get Cassie in there? Kyle and Erica. Circles back. Yeah, not mom and her son there Kyle and Erica not mom and her son Kyle and Erica we're doing this now

let's go Kyle and Erica that is what does this guy look like is he I mean he's generic

he looks like a bro like he's just throwing a drink on someone maybe a pregnant woman perfect not a fan okay perfect

it's just he lost me with a I smashed like ew i mean he's on fuckboy yeah he is that's his provenance you know which one is he is he a nice guy yeah i think he's the f boy yeah that's great i wonder if any of them will comment i haven't heard i think that maybe they're all just like i mean that the, though, more they they lean in to whatever. Definitely pull up articles and like talk about what do you think about Kyle and Moe, too, as they call her? It's like heartbreaking to me, honestly.

I like them as I love them together. I they've been together for so long. And then for this to just isn't it sad to watch the scenes together now where they used to have so much love in their eyes for each other she looks just like utter disdain yeah and now they fight over the dumbest stuff and it's just you can see the the marriage just gone it's so and it is a marriage i think we all kind of not to be cheesy but like held up as this great couple yeah yeah it's just like you know what maybe you can be privileged and messy but at the same time have a love that works you know yeah yeah and yet yeah unfortunately no was there a turning point do you think with kyle and mauricio of like this it's like you're noticing a shift in how much they love

each other no see that's what i think has been i don't want to speak for you but so jarring is that they've had such a loving relationship. They'd always been like rumors, maybe he cheated or something. But all of a sudden in one season, it was like right on the heels of Scandival. They're breaking up. And suddenly then we see these scenes of them like strangers in a house together. Yeah. I found it such a bummer.

Do you think maybe it's just like, what do you think caused it? Because you're watching it and they they don't really get into like the why there's no real i think the why is gonna have to circle back like a lost touch or you know what i'm saying it comes across as like they're just kind of being petty out of love yeah and like passing through the house there's no real, they go from being what seems to be a pretty strong couple to like arguing over petty things and it just.

I think he cheated and she doesn't want to say it for their kids on TV. So then we're left being like, what are they fighting about? Oh, I could, yeah.

It's my guess, but. And it got him on Dancing with the Stars, which is kind of fascinating. That was tough to see him in those, that sparkle suit. Have you been watching Dancing with the Stars?

No, I saw the photo and I was like, it was a nightmare. But then he's like leaning in. It was like the uncanny valley. Yeah, it was very scary. But he's leaning, you know, he's making good TV on Dancing with the Stars because with Emma,

they were like holding hands and maybe kissing, but then like talking about like how they're just like, you know, dancing just makes you close it's like yeah dancing my partner was Peta and I was and she just had a kid

and a husband and like we got close but we didn't hold hands you know like you know well he also has that reality show

with his kids it's like you're dancing so you're like you know yeah did you ever did you watch that I watched one episode

I couldn't get into it it was bad yeah it was really bad he has the it's like his with his two daughters the reality

like um realtor show it was like wanting to be a selling sunset yeah oh was it like selling Beverly Hills or something like that

yeah yeah yeah oh that was Mo or like buying that was Mo buying Beverly yeah oh yeah that did not

that flopped they have a season 2 though Beverly Hills there is a season, yeah, that did not. That flopped. They have a season two, though. Beverly Hills. There is a season two. There's a season two, yeah. And I know that there was some, I mean, this is speculation from audience members that his reality show

made him busy. Therefore, there was less time for him and Kyle because she has her reality show. And I don't think... Two competing reality TV stars? I don't think she appears on selling or buying Beverly Hills or whatever it was. I didn't see her on that. And I don't think... Two competing reality TV stars? I don't think she appears on selling or buying Beverly Hills

or whatever it was. I didn't see her in that episode. She didn't support him. Maybe. Maybe he's mad because... And he's been in every episode of... It's like, hey, well, what the fuck? Yeah.

Like, crossover. I think Beverly Hills Housewives has helped Mauricio quite a bit. For sure, yeah. He has, like, the largest real estate firm in the world. I think it's gone very well for him.

Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting to see which housewives seem to thrive most. I feel like with, like you were saying about how Ronique, the new New York City reboot, it feels like they know you have to go in with a brand already that you promote. That is where the money is. I want these women to go back to the old days

where they didn't know how to bring a toaster oven was one of their products and they didn't know how to get it to market sonia sonia like that was a storyline she was like i can't figure out how to sell my toaster oven and everyone was like we're pulling for you sonia you can do it never god bless her so doesn't come out yeah now they're like this and i've got a brand manager and it's too much yeah it's you know have there been any other kind of like specific shenanigans from housewives past like little bits that just like really tickled you oh my god I mean every single thing I love Salt Lake do you guys watch Salt Lake Justin says it's the best one I am a Salt Lake City fanatic I am a fanatic are you you've seen the most recent season I haven't finished finished it worse so who's your who's your favorite

from that i mean i love heather i will say i like lisa i love i love them all they're all insane i mean to your question you know there's a woman who's you know married to her grandpa there are things on these shows that i would say are quite something to behold and take in yeah really it's a lot to sit with there There is one new housewife on Salt Lake City. Love, Monica? Yes, but she actually, she got exiled

from the Mormon church by fucking her brother-in-law for 18 months or whatever it is. But not by blood? I love that you guys gasped over that

and not over a woman married to her grandpa. You were like, I know, I know. I'm sure you knew. Mary Cosby, yeah. I love Monica. Sheica she's messy messy even that's what i mean even with the suing of heather and the stealing of the ring and i think she i don't think she stole the ring okay so for someone who is not caught up can you give me a really brief like overview of like

what this situation is you can probably do it better than I can. Well, basically, this woman, Lisa Barlow, lost a $60,000 ring on a flight to Palm Springs. And Monica, a new cast member who had admittedly said, like, I can't keep up with the girls and their riches, she put her entire hand down a tampon dispenser and rooted around for that $60,000 ring. And people are saying she stole it. I really don't think she did. Wait, she put her hand down

at the tampon dispenser? Yes, because Lisa lost it in the bath. She was looking for it. Yeah, Lisa was like screaming. She's like, where is it? Where is it? And it was like she found it and then like put it in her pocket

and was like, oh my God, we cannot find this ring anywhere. Wait, she didn't return it to its rightful owner? Well, we don't know if she found it or not. But that's the conspiracy is that it wasn't lost.

Or like it was lost. Oh, she looked for it, but claimed she never found it. But I don't think she would do that. That's because of her high character. But she did get Botox and then was like, Heather. Fortunately, sued her one friend on the show for bad Botox. She sued?

Yeah, it's a lawsuit pending. Can you sue for bad Botox? What does that look like? Looks like Lawsuit pending. Can you sue for bad Botox? What does that look like? Looks like a woman named Monica. I'm sure she'll be representing herself in a court of law soon. Do you have any strong opinions about Erica and the earrings? I was just like, Erica, why aren't you simply saying if anything occurred and I had anything to do with it, I am horrified and I apologize. Her behavior was just, oh, I thought it was beyond the pale the way she handled it.

Just simply say you're sorry and empathetic. You don't have to admit wrongdoing. Yeah, that's it. I thought it was quite simple. Because I've met Erica. I was in Dancing with the Stars. Nick says this every single episode that we talk about. He does, but I love it. Just like, oh no, I was on dancing with the stars and her every single episode that we talk about he's like he does but i love it just like oh no i was just like some reference that like i've actually

been around her yeah and not as much as i like to think every single person listens to every one of our episodes you know i gotta do a callback but i like hearing it when you get to know erica when you get to know erica she's quite nice yeah you know and warm but she does have that like hard candy shell that and she'll say things that are so off-putting it was so so out of touch i know and it it doesn't i think represent her accurately when you actually get to know her and it's kind of bizarre did you see the episode where she just had therapy and she simply said to the therapist, How do you empathize? How do you empathize?

That was a... A great scene. Like, well... What a scene. You, you, you, you ask yourself, what would it be like to be in their shoes?

She's looking, how do I do that? Yeah. She could just take it one step further. Yeah. Do you do kind of a jump scare

every time you see Dorit in her like interviews wearing her what is it Chanel I don't it's like

like it's hard to take her so many of them have a jump scare but also Erica's is the latex pink what's more alarming

with the bedazzled tie which I feel like is maybe a little bit worse than the Chanel ensemble that one is a real I mean, I guess they're both alarming. They're all. I mean, when you get into like, I feel like Salt

Lake's got some real testimonial looks happening. I just, yeah. So like City's reunion looks are where it's like they're wearing like these big feathery crystals. Yeah. Jewel tones. Yeah. Oh my god. I want to know more about Crystal and her Crystals. Yeah. Jewel tones, yeah. Oh, my God.

I want to know more about Crystal and her brother's relationship. Okay. It's kind of random. I think it's... I think they're having to maybe... Are they bringing him in to make her have more of a storyline? Maybe? I don't know. He's like a pop star or something?

Yeah, right? He's like a pop star. A Chinese pop star? Speaking of sibling relationships that are too close. I mean, he essentially left his his fiance left him because she had more sway over him and bringing him back to the US from China during COVID than his fiance. And her husband was like, are you jealous that like, do you want to be the only person who has say in his life? And that's why she was like, don't you're wrong. You're incorrect.

Don't say that. That wasn't a no. Yeah. Yeah. But I want to hear more from Crystal. I don't know. You like Crystal. I just want,

I want to hear more from her. She is quiet. Yeah. She's quite quiet. I want her to get a little messy. I always feel like she's one step behind in the sense of like, she would never have glam. Then this week she was like,

I'm bringing glam. And they were like, we didn't. She's always one step behind i'm like i just want her to land on her feet you know like you know when sutton is this like asking kyle for an example name name name name name name name name name name name name name name name name name name is one of the funniest things i've seen as a scene on like comedically. Name them. And she was sitting back, name them. And then she went like this randomly and she goes, name them.

I was like, it's the greatest comedy of all time. She was great. She needs merch. Sutton is great TV. I don't mean to be inclined, but I'm curious. I felt like they were really teeing up the alcohol with Sutton's last week i had not really noticed that level of her drinking and slurring had you no not really okay yeah no i hadn't really i was like oh but i think her having such an issue with kyle not drinking and working out so much is a bit alarming yes like why who would be upset that

their friend is by the way kyle is not drinking but she got up on the stage at Chippendales and let men lick cream off her crotch. I'm like, she's still having fun. The grossest thing ever. Because those stages are disgusting. You're upset by the stages? Or what's happening? Both. Well, first of all, they're wearing their designer clothes wearing, you know, their designer clothes and they're lying on

this grimy floor with these strippers faces in their crotches. And the whipped cream like, oh, and he tried to put it in her mouth at first and she was like, no thanks. So then he squirted it on her chest.

And then there's just foul. There's so many things that are foul about that. Watching her like towel dry off while she went. She was like, Sutton, what's wrong? Like getting her whipped cream off. I'm on the board of ballet. American ballet.

That was the best. And then Erica, she's sitting in there like Judge Judy. Sitting in the sprinter van. I do like seeing Erica in her like humble house. Me too.

You know, just like this, which I'm sure is still over a million dollar house in West Hollywood. I like how she talks about it though. I like how she acknowledges like when her mom comes to stay.

She's like, before my mom would be in the other wing of the house, I wouldn't even see her. And now she's sleeping in my bed with me. Just say what you want. I mean,

this is the Erica we were like hoping to see see last year like just my life has shifted i feel badly like something yeah now she's feeling fun it's compelling because to go from you know a certain level to a significant downgrade regardless of how privileged you are is an adjustment yes you know especially coming from her where she's come from like it's a very interesting story her mom's a hoot too i'm really loving her mom she's stunning yes yeah she's stunning i mean i know they're only 18 years apart but they made it seem like they were six years apart she's like we're basically the same age it's like well no yeah i was like you know definitely a mom yeah definitely still be mom. And why was your mom taking you to parties?

I wish Erica had jumped into her mom's arms like that. They saw each other. Right. You do. As a batch Bravo historian. Yes, please. Why? I would like to see a gay couple be part of, like, Gary Gennetti and Brad Goreski be part

of Beverly Hills Housewives. As friends of? No, just like a housewife? Like Brad be a housewife. Oh, Nick. Can't you do that? I don't know.

I think because it's so like the foundation is female friendship. I think they're probably I think that's where I hear you.

I couldn't love Gary J. Neiman. I'd love to see him be every single housewife like as a clone but I don't know maybe it's a different franchise like girls and the gays yeah

yes yes yes yes maybe won't get terrible idea no no beautiful idea just maybe more about queer male representation I just think

it'd be ally ally ally alert ally alert and I appreciate it it'd be great television for the listeners.

He's wearing rainbow head to toe. I was going to say, have there been any friends of the show that are men? Like I know boy, George was kind of Beverly Hills. Isn't he in jail? Yeah. I don't know.

Something. I feel like I've always loved that the men be they gay men, anyone never eclipsed the women in a funny way where like in Atlanta you know all the multiple party planners and hairdressers are so kind of these wild characters where there's just something funny to me about like we're actually focusing on older women and

they're kind of like issues that I think is really cool about it actually so wow you hate women sounds like there you go yeah yeah we finally got to it. Do you like this cast of Beverly Hills? Like, I mean, there's been a lot of changes.

Yeah. Do you like it? Do you wish, like, what would be your elite Beverly Hills housewife cast? Oh my gosh. Well, I'm going to look at you on this because I would love to see

the Richards sisters together. Yes. Even if Kathy was like a friend of and we watched her with her like bedroom tray and like she just came out occasionally. But I'd love to see Kim come back. Kim was so such good TV. Brandy's a little too toxic for me. I would agree. I agree.

But. Unanimous. I'm feeling OK with Lisa having that ship having sailed yeah are you yeah we get plenty of Lisa or Rinna Rinna

oh okay I am too I think she like did her work there what do you think about Heather Dubrow potentially because I feel like

you know they ended OC with Heather moving yes we are teeing up I think right I mean she belongs there yeah in a way

yeah I would love Heather Dubrow it would be interesting to see her on the bottom of Beverly Hills you know how she's like the top dog in OC to like see that I think there would be something for there of like don't come in here like she'd have to like really like work her way yeah because I don't think Heather would she she definitely wouldn't come in like well this is your lady's world. And I'll just kind of initiate myself slowly. I think she would come in as Heather Dubrow, you know, and yeah, that might ruffle some feathers. Did you hear that John Jansen, who used to date Shannon Bedore, is now I'm looking straight at you, perhaps dating Alexis Bellino, another Orange County housewife now?

I've heard of it, but that's like speculation, right? I mean, do we have to have more than that? Yeah, true. That would be crazy. I know. So do you think it's him trying to be relevant in the reality sphere?

Or do you think it's like the girls trying to just create drama? I don't know. Or do you think he was so turned off by Shannon's DUI that he was like, I need to move on to another housewife? I was Shannon for Halloween.

Were you? Yes. On my Instagram, I have a photo with me and the dog. I used my neighbor's dog. And I went out on the road. Oh, and you did her thing? Wait, maybe it was on my stories. Go back up.

Go back up. You know what? I think it was on my stories, guys. How could I do it? Did you save it to a highlight? Did I? I don't back up. You know what? I think it was on my stories. How could I do a highlight? Did I? I don't even know. Look to the housewives highlight. I get it.

No, it's not on that one. Are you sure you didn't add it? I think I did. You must. Bummer. Well, that was me as I'm back was me as I'm Kathy last year. Michael. Oh, that's me in a video with Sonya Morgan.

I was Sonya Morgan's intern for a day. What? Yes. I made a video with sonja morgan i was sonja morgan's intern for a day what yes i made a video where i went and was her intern all right guys i failed us all i failed us all and even they've made me put my bag they've separated me from my bag one of my friends dressed up as jenna lyons and did an amazing job she had like a deep v blazer she did like a streak of silver, like iconic. Did a really well executed job. What would be your dream

like Beverly Hills Housewives of West Hollywood? What do you mean? Like if they made a Beverly Hills, no, I'm sorry, Housewives of West Hollywood. Two different cities.

Like if they had like a new, Of just West Hollywood? Like an LA, LA. Christine Quinn. Oh. She's ready. cities like if they had like a new of just west hollywood like an la la christine quinn oh she's ready natalie she is ready to go no yeah what about i'm curious what do you make of ariana and katie do you like katie love katie oh yeah we're big katie fans okay love okay you're not no i was just curious i was wondering no we hate her why no no i don't know i don't need her i'm just great she's definitely the least mess around west hollywood no i don't think she would be a house i don't think she'd be a west hollywood house wife no no um i think

it would be like a christine quinn maybe it would be fun to pull an old, maybe Denise Richards. You know? Yes. Denise is coming back to Beverly Hills this week. She just showed up. Oh, I saw her. It went on when she showed up for Garcelle's party. She's a friend of the season.

She's kind of in the background. Yeah. She's not even high. It's like, oh, is that Denise Richards? I know. I know. I know, but i want more of her family i do too i well yeah yeah her erin her boyfriend her husband or what's his fears about

3g her daughter's making moves they're making familial yeah familial they're competing they're they're competing content content creators it's their own squid game. Truly. There you are. Everyone gets rich. No one dies. Switching gears a little bit to Summer House, did you see Lindsay debuted with her new man, Johnny Bananas? Is it her new man or was she just Johnny Bananas?

We love Lindsay. We were super grateful for her to come on the show and spill her tea. She's strategically messy. Lindsay. I feel like. That should be her memoir title. Strategically messy?

Yeah. Yeah. There you go. We can use it, Lindsay. Lindsay. I mean, when you, like,

she knows what she, like, stepping outside with Johnny Bananas like for a pop moment. Is this his government name or is this like a stage name? Is that a Christian name?

I think it's Johnny Devin Devin Devin Devinazine Zio. He's an MTV like challenge kind of. He was on The Real World in 2006.

So he has and then he was on The Challenge as a contestant many many many many many times. And now he's on the Bravo villain. House of Villains. House of Villains. Have you watched that? No. Neither have I.

You know what should come back? And I don't know if anyone in this room was a fan, but the Bad Girls Club was so good. And I had no business watching it at age 10, but it was so, it was like MTV's Housewife. Yeah. But like so just nitty and gritty. And like, did you ever watch it, Justin? As a little boy in conservative rural NorCal, I watched Bad Girls Club. Yeah.

Like it was so, it was so good. I don't know if it would hold up today. I think some housewives want to be like the woman on Bad Girls Club. Like when they're throwing glasses, that gives bad girls. The Wikipedia page describes it as the show focused on altercations and physical confrontations of seven aggressive, quarrelsome and unruly women. All the adjectives. Aggressive, quarrelsome? I've never heard that.

Unruly? Unruly? Physical altercations? Does that not make you want to watch? It actually really does. aggressive, quarrelsome. I've never... That's a good one. Unruly. Unruly. Physical altercations. Does that not make you want to watch? It actually really does. It does. Maybe Bravo will pick it up. Truly.

Wow, I miss it. Christine Quinn. She really... I wonder what her next move is. What is her next move? Because you feel like she would have a move to make. No?

She was... She carried that show for a while carried it do you think she ever thought chrishell would be what she is now what do you mean like do you think she's you know because chrishell just like blew up so much do you think christine saw that coming or thought that would be i don't know if she was that forward thinking sure that wasn't part of her business plan well i just feel like you know the everyone who does these shows it they're i think we live in a world that has a main character epidemic going on and i think anyone who does reality tv is very good at thinking through the lens of they're the main character you you know? And so I think they were just,

I think they all just thought about how far could they go and why they are more deserving of more attention than any one of their peers. Yeah. So probably not. But I feel like Chrishell's really leaned into her almost villain character. She's willing to get messy sometimes. I mean, we love Chrishell.

Yeah. But she's always, she's willing to spar. Yeah, she'll willing to get messy sometimes i mean we love chrishell yeah but she's always she's willing to spar yeah she'll go to town i think the there was a real turning point during the drug accusation you know and even though she kind of apologized and said after the fact like it was heated like i think that's one of those things where it's like toothpaste you can't put it back in the tube you are potentially really messing with someone's professional career so to kind of like take off the gloves in that way feels like kind of next level engaging in reality tv in a way that like i think before she seemed like a sweetheart you know who wasn't but uh yeah she's really kind of taken over the show yeah yeah yeah if you could switch closets with one reality TV personality, which person's closet would you want?

Dorit. I was thinking. Pre-robbery. They did take a lot of good things, I believe. No. Does seem. So sad, though. So sad. I just watched that. Yeah. I was crying oh my god and I was after that I was like okay

we've got I'm gonna set the alarm right now because I feel like someone is going to break in so it was really sad it's horrible yeah I feel like that with any of the whenever there's been like a robbery like whether it was like bling ring or like this like it's so violating to have someone in your space touching your stuff like it's not just about the fact that our cars have been actually not like broken into but if we leave them unlocked then there has been several times where someone opened the door my car or nick's car where you get in and you're like glove box whatever is just like everywhere and you know like that feeling of knowing someone has been and then we watch the cameras and you can see some like version of someone. It's so creepy.

So I can't imagine like her seeing them in her bedroom. That's the worst thing I've ever heard. But I would take Dorit's closet before and after, honestly, because I think they're both still lovely. I feel like she's probably restocked. You don't think so? I don't know Do you think her clothes were insured?

I don't really know if they took her clothes Homeowner's insurance A lot of her bags, her husband's watches A lot of jewelry What was the value of things stolen? I don't know It was like in the millions I believe

Did they move? I don't know if they have since poor things I don't think they did I don't think I could stay there totally yeah she claims they stole about a million dollars worth of high end items still not as much as Erica's earrings

how much were those again? well according to Erica 1.3 when she corrected Garcelle but stop Still not as much as Erica's earrings. How much were those again? Well, according to Erica, 1.3. 1.3. When she corrected Garcelle. But stop. Stop. Stop. You know, it was bad enough that they were 800,000.

She's like, no, no, no, 1.3. And no, I'm not giving it back. That's how much I took from orphans and widows. 1.3. No, I'm not giving it back. No, I'm not giving it back. Leonardo had Thanksgiving dinner with his new girlfriend. Wow. In London.

25. She's right on the cusp. She should be so nervous. She was 25 when they met. I know, but didn't he move up to 26? He bumped it up? I think he's maturing. I think he's moved it up to 26.

But then that ended too. So maybe now we're, I don't know, maybe we're back to 25. Trisha Paytas is naming her son Elvis. She already has, what is it? Barbie Malibu? Malibu Barbie. Malibu Barbie. Malibu Barbie is her first.

One name or like that's first and middle? First and middle. Okay. Yes. And your brother. He should count his blessings. Truly. Baby and middle. Okay. Yes. And your brother. He should count his blessings. Truly. Baby Elvis. Baby Elvis.

What is this about Ozzy Osbourne? I had to ask Jack one time that we were all hanging out. Jack Osbourne, his son. I was like, how did the bat affect your life? Because it affected mine. Yeah. And I'm not related to him. He was like, it affected mine yeah and i'm not related to him he was like it affected me

deeply yeah he was like no it's kind of hard to go to school and people would definitely like make fun of me for sure i'm like that would show up but i'm sorry it was so hard for you yeah yeah but i'll like talk to my dad about like if he could apologize to you or something. I don't know. He's being distraught about it. And I am. And I feel like everyone else should be. That is jarring. I remember learning about that as a child and being like, people do that?

Like what? Like it was one of those expansive moments where you're like, oh, wow, people can really do crazy shit. Yeah. Before for clicks was even a thing. Yeah. Truly viral. Very, very viral. Very even a thing. Yeah, truly viral. Very, very viral. Very, very viral.

Also, maybe in the sickness sense. He was just having his dinner on stage. He was hungry. He was hungry. That's it. Do you watch Vanderpump?

Yeah. What do you think is going to happen in season 11? Do you think it's going to... Well, I guess the big question is will they in any way

be able to live up to the hype of season 10? No. Or will it just completely fall flat? I think it is going to fall a little bit flat. I mean, what could? I don't think anything. I think I'll still be watching every second. Tom and Katie seem to be dating the same person.

That's juicy. Can I ask you? I have a question actually about Vanderpump. Do you find it odd that she's's like Ariana's like, I hate him so much. Why are they still living together? I just broke this down because I saw her talk about this. She said that she has several. She's got her financial advisor. She's got her lawyers. She's got whatever. And she's like, I know everyone thinks that I am like a millionaire right now. And she was like, I'm not. She's like, I am definitely doing well. She's like, but for me to buy a new place or she's like, it's not like financially smart for me. And she's like, I don't we don't see each other in this house. She's like, I stay in my room. Like, I'll go to the kitchen if i need to we don't see each other i'm so busy but she's like financially it's just like not the smartest

move for me so i'm trying to it's it's interesting for special forces we've all kind of hey we're hosting tonight or we've we've all kind of watched together as much as we could and there's a group chat there's a group chat yeah and uh tom's coming over tonight for the finale and uh tom she comes with him no well tom hosted one night and i was curious because like i feel like we're closest with ariana than tom yeah more allegiances towards ariana so i felt a little like weird like god can i am i can i show up i'm on the show with tom you know and she wasn't there so they clearly have okay they clearly have, they share, they have like custody of the house. But yeah, it is. God love them.

I couldn't do it, but if they're figuring it out. It's just that the longer she stays, no one wants to talk about this but the more credibility to tom's side of the story that was my question of hey this is a more transactional relationship than it is romantic i just think it's undercutting what she's wanting us to think that happened yes the longer she stays like the longer you stay there it just she's clearly able to make it work And just the simple fact that she can emotionally and mentally live in that house. Like I move back in with my parents sooner than I would do that. I mean, I had a very ugly breakup and I moved in with my grandma. That was defeating.

You know, that was. Morale was low. Morale was low. And I honestly, I look back, it was one of the greatest times of my life. But at the time I was like, I got engaged, found out my fiance at the time was cheating on me. And two weeks later, I'm living with grandma on a pullout fucking couch because I just did not want to be in the same fucking apartment with her. And I had every right I could have. But I was like, no, like my mental health like takes i guess precedent before this was before

like mental health was something we talked about that but you know what i'm saying like yeah and yeah she clearly can make it work but you know it's the fact that she's able to make it work you know it's just i know i will and and i had it i will say this while filming special forces uh i had a hour-long chat with tom and ajit which i essentially like interviewed him okay you know and i was like why'd you do it but like you know i was challenging you know and my biggest takeaway is that i just don't think he thinks cheating is that big of a deal was kind of my takeaway and after you go back and watch old seasons of Vanderpump, you can understand why you might have that point of view.

Every single human on there has done it. You know, I don't understand. It makes sense why Tom thinks it's not that big of a deal. I think they were like the Kyle and Mauricio in a way. And I know Vanderpump is such a different, but everyone was kind of like, oh, they're something. But Tom, whether you agree with him or not but when him and i were talking i guess it was still filmed but we weren't thinking about and didn't even make

it's not part of special forces they don't weirdly kind of care about that content but he was emphatic that ariana didn't care about the unfair he was like it wasn't about that she didn't care blah blah it was it didn't really make sense to me when he was saying it but he was he saying she was just more embarrassed yeah or just that it was more about the breakup or the yeah but it was he was emphatic about it and i was just like oh sure man you know but he it's like he wouldn't shut up about it right and he you he believed it i believed that he believed whether it's yeah yeah whether that was true or not that was his belief yeah and just like yeah her staying there just doesn't do her self it's not adding up with what we've seen. But could you say that after like someone does

something so egregiously bad and monstrous that it's just like an open and shut case they're never going to be a part of your life again? Like in some ways I think it's more complicated

when it's like you break up with someone and you know it's what you have to do and maybe it's like a Kyle and Mo situation like there's no love left and I can see why

then you can't be near them because it's like tempting versus like with him it was such a final break that I could maybe see an argument for her being like he's disgusting i want nothing to do with him like or kicking him out but that's the thing she wants that's the thing she wants nothing to do with him but yet she still lives with him you know it's not like there's this kind of amicable like hey we're not together anymore whatever we have mutual friends she's like if you talk to him you're not my friend. But I,

drop me off at our house. It's, you know, and we love Ariana. It's just, it's, yeah, it's,

and maybe that's, like, that's what she chose, you know? Like, they have a nice house and she would have to probably downgrade,

you know, to a different house. And maybe they're just kind of both stubborn. I think Tom told me he tried to buy her out. Like, I think Tom was hoping to, like, have her, you know, leave.

And they're, that she doesn't want to, I guess. I don't know. Real estate chicken. Yeah, it really is. My, I think that was the most fun, though, when I was there. It was, it was Swartz's birthday that night. We had the viewing party. Yeah. And we're outside.'re outside and you know like a lot of people in la we have a pool and a hot tub

as well yeah and i we enjoy it you know can't have the hot can't hot tub now with her being pregnant but yeah swartz looks at me and he's just like that thing man that's like the uh bermuda triangle like once you get, you can never go out. And he's just like, every time I go into this hot tub, I'm there till like five in the morning. I'm like, oh, well, I usually like go in my hot tub for like 15, 20 minutes. And he was so like emphatic that like,

you can't possibly go in this pool unless you only have like a late night. And I was like, you guys drink too much. He's like, don't, that's where it starts. That's the gateway. It seems like. It was a really interesting conversation. Yeah.

I really, I just, I love him. Swartz? Yeah, just on the show. He's a very, he's a very just affable,

likable guy. Just playing that role. It's perfect. Yeah. As long as he's not throwing drinks on you. Well, it was crazy when we were doing our Vanderpump recaps on Plus. Back in season two, there's a time when Stassi crashes Jack's birthday party.

And all the boys, it's like a bunch of boys. And then Stassi shows up. And all of them are sitting there really awkward. And Schwartz is like, pull up a chair. He's always been someone to extend an olive branch. Yes, he can't. He's that classic Minnesota guy. Too hospitable.

He's still a real dick to Katie, though. Yeah. Horrible. All right. I think that about wraps it. Yeah. Casey, thanks so much for coming. Guys, thank you for having me.

Can you come back again? I appreciate it. I would love to. Can you please? I love chatting. Congratulations, you guys. So exciting. Can you please promote your show?

Name them. Name them. My show is called Name Them. Name Them. My podcast is called Bitch Sesh and it's a comedy podcast with all comedians about the Real Housewives. Where can people find it? Casey and Danielle's Garbage World or just Bitch Sesh in your feeds and we'll direct you over to our, we're now a subscription podcast. Okay.

But you can listen to all our episodes and stuff in our feed. Go check it out and then follow Casey wherever you want to, or are you on all the socials? I'm on Instagram, mainly in TikTok. Okay. Yeah, get some Christmas tree content. Yeah. And I'm going to, you know what? I'm going to get my Shannon out there.

Here you go. Repost that. Yeah, that's a repost. Well, thanks for listening guys don't forget we got uh olivia flowers talking uh all things southern charm and uh all the all the messiness that's going on in her life this thursday on going deeper we also have an update special classic available to you all this friday be sure to check that out uh you will not want to miss some really great updates. We get into it.

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