The Viall Files - E673 Going Deeper with Olivia Flowers Plus Special Forces, Kathy Hilton’s Party, and American Royalty

Episode Date: November 30, 2023

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Going Deeper Edition! First, the household gets together to discuss some recent headlines and experiences - like the finale episode of Special Forces, Squid Game: The Challenge, Nick and Natalie attending Kathy Hilton’s holiday party, and why Nick still believes Taylor and Travis are the new Harry and Meghan. Then, we are joined by Southern Charm’s Olivia Flowers to talk about her family since the tragic passing of her brother, her relationships with Austen and Taylor, Bravocon rumors, the new man in her life, and what she hopes to address at the reunion. We also have a Sweating The Wedding caller who recently got engaged, but needs to let her ex-friend know that she is not a bridesmaid, nor invited to the wedding.  “The lines get so blurred between being on the show and being off the show.”  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS:  Highland Titles - You can become a Lord or Lady for just $30. Check it out at https://www.HighlandTitles.com and use the discount code VIALLFILES to get 25% off your order. Vessi Footwear - Thanks again Vessi! Go to https://www.vessi.com/VIALL and use code VIALL for 15% off your entire order! Free shipping to CA, US, AUS, NZ, JP, TW, KR, SGP. Drizly - Download the Drizly app or go to https://www.Drizly.com to choose your drinks today. Must be 21+, not available in all locations. DraftKings - Download the DraftKings Casino app NOW and sign up with promo code VIALLFILES. New customers can get a deposit match up to FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS in casino credits when you deposit FIVE DOLLARS or more! Only on DraftKings Casino with promo code VIALLFILES. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit www.1800gambler.net. In Connecticut, Help is available for problem gambling call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org. Please play responsibly. 21+. Physically present in Connecticut/Michigan/New Jersey/Pennsylvania/West Virginia only. Void in Ontario. One per opted-in new customer. Min. five dollar deposit. Max match five hundred in casino credits which require 1x play-thru within 7 days. See terms at casino dot draftkings dot com slash player’s choice for eligibility, terms and responsible gaming resources. Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @oliviabflowers @alison.vandam @liffordthebigreddog @dereklanerussell 

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Excited to have you joined by the household. Allie's in studio. Yay! Decided to visit us from St. Paul, Minneapolis. Nope. Nope. Nope. Whatever.

I just want to cover my face. St. Paul, Minnesota. I don't care. Whatever. But then that means you don't care about me. Yeah. Oh. No, I just don't care about Minnesota.

I'm a rival. I'm a Wisconsinite. You know, we're being petty. He does that just don't care about Minnesota. I'm a rival. I'm a Wisconsinite. You know, we're being petty. He wants tickets. He's doing it on purpose. Amanda is also with us. We got Justin,

our pop culture correspondent and my fiancee, love of my life, Natalie Joy. Yay! You can mix that up. You can mix that up sometimes. I do feel like it's like,

you know, just kind of a script in your head. I said love of my life this time. Yeah, but you say that every time. Like, we get it, you know. just kind of a script in your head. I said love of my life this time. Maybe you say that every time. Like we get it, you know.

It's because you are. Well, we have a great episode for you. The one, the only Olivia Flowers is with us from Southern Charm. She was serving. She was giving. She was a queen. We loved having her. She was a generous guest talking about all the really the drama

that's going on in Southern Charm a lot of friendship dynamics friends friend breakups relationship breakups all the things going on

with her and Austin her and Taylor and so much more it was a really fun conversation it was so good I feel like it was really nice

because it kind of like it gave context in a way that was like I found very juicy and interesting without feeling like mean spirited. Like she's just a high character lady. Yeah, she is. Yes. I couldn't agree more. She was wonderful. Well, we're excited for you guys to listen to Olivia. If you are tuning in for the first time because you wanted to hear about Olivia, welcome. We're happy to have you.

So much to get into. All right. Well, I guess let's start with Special Forces. We'll just kind of recap it a little bit. Yeah. You know, me, Tyler, Aaron, we won. Okay. All right.

I kind of say we passed. We passed selection. JoJo, she quit on her own she definitely couldn't finish it was kind of a bummer that she i mean like again we talked about this on tuesday but she totally could have passed so a little behind the scenes when she bowed out i mean the the ds's were really mad like i think we heard like like foxy was like pissed they he's like where is she no they were just they really loved her jojo really endeared themselves to her and she really did crush it and i think they were just kind of bummed that she decided to leave so like when foxy came in it was kind of like i get it but we're bummed and

disappointed but they were really sad about it i feel like tom got a bad beat i really i kind of feel bad like the past few days we've been posting a lot obviously Tyler and Jojo and I have become very close and you know Tyler's been here a lot and we've hung out and then obviously Aaron finished with us we love Aaron we you know we keep in touch Aaron's like traveling the world kicking ass and speed skating last time I talked to her she was in Japan so it's hard it's a little harder to keep in touch but like so a lot of us are posting about the three you know finalists me me, Aaron, and Tom. And then we're always including JoJo being like,

and we love JoJo because she did so well. And Tom's not really getting any love. I kind of feel a little bad. Then why didn't you show him love? I sent him a text and said, great job. Well, I kind of thought about this after the fact, after I about it you know um did he respond to your text he did yeah he thought it was very sweet and we i said hey man you did a really good job you know he definitely he he failed the interrogation i wasn't totally shocked about that and we talked about on reality recap that like he didn't see

him paying attention to that part where it was kind of important but like the part where they pulled him for like because he was like hypothermic we were all shivering like that you know so i don't know why they pulled tom like we were all all night long fucking shivering it was a freezing cold room our clothes were soaked with sweat and then and the room was like probably 35 degrees and we were lying on a concrete floor all night. So, you know, I guess it did seem peculiar when they pulled Tom into the doctor's office and he like when I was hyperthermic, I didn't stop shivering. But whether that was clever editing or not, I'm not sure. But he had a tough exit.

I felt a little bad for him. Well, I'm thinking now about how he always goes into reunions with his story straight and how he's like kind of famously both with like Ariana and Schwartz have talked about the way he'll like coordinate with them. And hearing you say this, I'm like, maybe we need to bring some interrogation to the reality TV space. Yeah, maybe. For the confessionals. Grab them. It was kind of funny when they grabbed him and he kind of looked away like he didn't want to make eye contact with them. But I mean, listen, for all of Tom's faults, and we have covered them thoroughly on this show, like he didn't want to make eye contact with him but i mean listen for all of tom's faults and we have covered them thoroughly on this show like he did well on this show you

know and you can't do what he did without demonstrating some positive qualities he attacked every challenge he was a fighter he didn't give up these are some admirable qualities you know i think we have to we can still criticize and still acknowledge. You have a hard time doing that? And I know I need to just like agree with you on this. You don't have to. No, but like he was a fighter. He didn't give up. That describes

a lot of bad people throughout history. Fair enough. But he was he was a I don't know. I hear you. He was tough. He you know, like he wasn't he wasn't a quitter. i don't know he i hear you he was tough he you know like he wasn't he wasn't a quitter i don't know i just think we can acknowledge some positive qualities about a guy yeah i still you know don't see eye to eye with him on some other aspects of life but one thing he's not gonna give up on himself ever so true bestie. He was a good teammate to have around.

What? Hello? Like he was a good teammate? He thought he was being motivated and he was just yelling. He's not a good motivator. He's not a good motivator. And yes, he's reactive and he's emotional.

We have to use all of this for the fart. It's not... Turn off your light. Yes, I wouldn't want tom leading our troop but you know he's he's not without some good qualities that's all i'm saying whatever i do want so it was interesting because i wish one regret i have i do want to say thank you for the executives at fox because when i found out about special forces like as you you all know like i we had just found out Natalie was pregnant.

Yeah. And so it was like, I don't, you know, we hadn't really been to the doctor. You know, we went to the one doctor, meaning at that point, doctor visit, whatever. And they were like, well, it's so early, but yeah, you're pregnant.

But like, what? You kind of downplay the story because it was truly like a little traumatic, especially for me. Okay, fair. We went to the doctors. I found out I was pregnant extremely early, like three weeks. We went to the doctor at five weeks and she was like, it is extremely early. I don't see a baby and your uterus is rippled, which is a sign for a miscarriage.

She's like, but again, it is early. So like things can change. So early. But that's what she left me with. And then Nick left for New Zealand. So I was home and then had our, she was like, come back in two weeks at seven weeks and we'll see if anything has changed.

So then I had that seven week appointment by myself of like, this is when you find out if there's a baby. Yeah. And so that was kind of partly when I was there, seven week appointment by myself of like, this is when you find out if there's a baby or if there's not. Yeah. And so that was kind of partly when I was there, I was like, oh, should I just quit and go home? I was using, it was a valid excuse, but it was also like my excuse if I wanted to quit type of thing. And prior to going, it was like, well, I want to talk about this. It really was my motivation more than anything to be like how cool it will be like if if and i didn't know we were gonna have a daughter at that point like how cool would be

if my kid can wash this someday but also like we don't know i could come back and i honestly was worried like you know when i left i was like well if you need anything call like they she had you know proper contacts but so i was hoping i wouldn't get a call from natalie you know like i would i was hoping no one would pull me aside be like hey nick there's a phone call for you because that i assumed that would be bad news and so but up into that prior to leaving like it was you know i'm like they're gonna break my brain i don't know what's gonna happen in interrogation and we were afraid that like what happens if i talk about being you know becoming a father and then you know something doesn't work out you know we get bad, there's a miscarriage or something.

And so the Fox executives were very like kind in the sense that like, listen, if you talk about it, we won't show it without your permission. And so I really didn't talk about it all that much until the end. And, you know, I wish we, I wish I could have leaned into it more like just me thinking about being a dad and Nali and I you know finding out that she was pregnant but they were so cool about it and afterwards as we got more and more positive news they were you know they worked with us to get it in and stuff like that so I really yeah I really appreciated them doing that that's so smart because I have like one very close friend who's had a miscarriage and it's like i you know it's like in my brain like every year

in the month to like center because it's just a really hard time for her and it's something where it's like she thinks about it like i i think she thinks about it every single day and so it's like i don't know pragmatic and smart of you to like make it cuttable and i'm curious like natalie were there any times where like kind of in this uncertainty of like not really like knowing and having obviously all this hope but also like being alone and in fear like where you almost kind of like made the call or where you were really like tempted to totally reach out yeah I absolutely wanted I had a guy's number and Nick was like please only use this for. And I knew he really wanted to be in that experience. And so whenever I did have the doctor's appointment, she was like, like, your uterus is fine.

I see a baby. I really wanted to call him and be like, everything's fine. But I knew it would like break that wall of reality. So I just had to swallow it. The first thing I opened my phone to was a video of the heartbeat which was really cool yeah yeah it was so cool it was like the coolest thing so yeah it was really great i think one of the i mentioned on the show on episode seven before the finale when bodhi um voluntarily withdrew and they recorded me saying i think he did it for us and

someone asked what i meant by that like before we did the whole sled pull like they aired foxy being like not all of you will be standing here at the end of this and they were not going to stop until one of us quit so that's why after we did like the sled pull for like two miles over like hills and terrain and mountains and they just kept running us and doing beer corals they were not going to stop until one of us quit so that's what i meant when bode withdrew like i felt like he kind of i think he knew that and like he was like injured and hurting i don't think it was totally like a self-sacrifice but i think he was cognizant enough that you know it's like maybe it's okay for me to go so everyone else can stop suffering that's that's what i what i meant by that so we love bode yeah bode was great suffering you guys

have been watching squid games we have it's amazing you guys you everyone's got to watch it it's such a like social experiment on like life it's extremely well done i think the original version for a lot of people was very violent you know it was very like whoa this is hard to watch it's like like you're dead yeah um and so it has all of the same aspects just no murder i mean you there's like a little there's a little like um blow pop in their shirt that and then they're told to like fall back when they die uh but it's really fascinating because it starts with like 400 some people and then they sent like the first four episodes have been out starts with red light

green light which eliminates almost more than half right away what's so fascinating about it is that a lot of this like the challenges in games you know require strategy they require physical strength like mental aptitude and things like that but all a lot of it's also like random like things are a lot of outside of your control people can eliminate other people there's little challenges in between and what's really fascinating is like more than anything the most important strategy like on the on special forces they referred to me as the gray man because i was like more kind of middle of the pack the whole way through and didn't like stand out in a good way and they kind of did this they explained to us that like in the military that's positive

like you you don't always want to attract the most attention to yourself and what's fascinating about squid games is that's really what it's all about it's like more than anything the number one rule so far seems to be is like blend in when they called Nick that everyone thought they said great see I was just I've missed a bit of Special Forces and I was editing together

the sizzle reel for Nick and I was going to the finale and they were like you the gray man whatever and I was like oh the finale and they were like, you, the gray man, whatever. And I was like, oh, they just called you old. I was like, you old man. I was like, grandpa made it to the end. Pawpaw, good job. You and these youngins, you did it.

If you didn't have subtitles on, it kind of sounds like great man. Like they were calling me like a great man and I was like, oh shit, man. But they were not. They were calling me gray man. But on And I was like, oh, man. But they were not. They were calling me gray man. But on special forces. Yeah.

You have to blend in because everyone who stands out gets fucking whacked by like a peer who like is jealous of them or doesn't like them, annoys them. Or sometimes as soon as you get any advantage, people are like, no, fucking like kill that guy. It's really fascinating. But yeah, like one of the standouts early on is this athlete from clemson kind of a cocky guy he's he's you know he definitely has squid games the challenge in his bio on instagram currently yeah for sure i would like that guy right under like clemson absolutely yes d1 athlete yes yeah not the d1 athlete yeah but he also like he i really he was a competitor and he wasn't a whiner which i kind of liked about him because other people were just like as soon as someone has an advantage they're like kill

there's also a lot of crying there's a lot of like the pressure of having to do you know a task or something they people just started sobbing and it was like yeah there's a lot of like yeah a lot a lot of that where it's like sometimes once the tear dam is opened it's hard to shut blood gates i was gonna say every single thing is setting you off i actually sobbed this morning when nick made me get out of bed oh maybe woke you up i started he was like why are you crying? And I was just like, I'm so tired. And I'm like, well, you can stay home.

Yeah. It was rough. It's because we were out all night at Miss Kathy Hilton's house for her Christmas party. Okay, how was it? Hold on. I've got to get on the father-daughter of Squid Games. I know. That was such a good transition.

You can't ruin it for everyone, though. They have to watch Squid Games. The first batch has been out. Wait, I'm confused. Is this real? These are real people? Yes. Yeah.

What do you mean? About the pregnancy? No, we were joking. A 70-year-old woman was not impregnated by her son. Before we started recording, we were like, we're going to talk about this mother and son pairing. I asked Natalie if he opened her up like Edward in Twilight. You thought that was real? Should we do a rewind?

I think we were recording. Derek, play it back. The mom and son fuck? Is that what you're going to spoil for us? She's pregnant. She's 70 years old and she gets pregnant. With his child?

And then she dies. Does he cut her open to save the baby? Ew She's pregnant She's 70 years old And she gets pregnant With his child Yes Whoa Wait And then she dies Why Does he cut her open To save the baby Like Edward No

Oh He kills the baby too Oh Because it's incestual Double Double homicide Yeah Damn

Double homicide Damn Okay Because I was like Maybe they're talking About the TV show And not the challenge I was upset

I was upset and confused I thought it was The son impregnated her. The challenge was that they had to have sex. Everyone had to watch them. If you looked away, you got killed. That is so terrifying. That's like a sick porno.

You pitching to the network. A real sick porno. So here's what I'm saying. Hello, sharks. Incest. Hear me out. Yuck. Hello, sharks. Kathy Hilton If you really want to get into the mother son It was just like We talked about it last week His mom

The New York Times sports reporter It's an aspirational job This is when Nick hated on every delivery driver and got canceled for it. I love a delivery driver. I love a good time. I love a good time. But like, you know,

it's not an aspirational job. You don't know that. Yeah, you don't know everyone's dreams. You do not know that. When you watch 10 Things, what was it? How to Lose a Guy in 10 Gays.

Annie was amazing. 10 Gays? You're taking away how? What did I say? How to Lose a Guy in 10 Gays. Annie with a main... 10 Gays. You're taking a WeHo. What did I say? How to Lose a Guy in 10 Gays. Pride in WeHo. Let's go see Idina Menzel sing Let It Go and see how many straight men are left. I mean, whatever.

Like, yeah. Like, if there's like this rom-com, the main character of a woman lead is often like a journalist for some sort of like magazine or newspaper or whatever. And then like a Goodwill hunting movie where he's like working construction or like a blue collar job isn't is usually a movie about like, you know, being able to do something else. It's like, you know, it just is like. But yes, it's a noble profession. I would love to be a delivery driver. First of all, you knew that was my...

We're never getting packages anymore. First of all, you knew that was my dream as a child. And now... No, your dream was like a mailman. That's still kind of the same thing. I guess. But delivery around this time... You know how people set out snacks for delivery drivers?

I think we should do that, number one. People set out little snacks and drinks. They have little trays. I love that. Nick needs to. That's we should do that. Number one. We will set out like little snacks and drinks. And they're like, I love that. It needs to, that's his fricking pen. I'm just saying the mom is a rock star and the son is an ordinary average. Maybe he is a rock star,

Nick. He's not. No, he is not. But you're a rock star. And what if our daughter is just works at Navy? Great. Yeah, that's fine. Something my mom said that I thought was very wise. So she was like, I, cause my dad has like worked in the same job for like 34 years.

And it's like, or I think I just pulled that number out of my ass, but he's a point is he worked for like, he's worked for the government. It's very unglamorous. It's like very, it's like kind of a bummer of a job, but it's necessary and my mom was like ambitious ambition comes in many forms like at first i thought because like my mom's like was you know she was a doctor she went to fucking harvard med school meanwhile my dad's just like working at the same government job and she was like ambition comes in so many different forms and like your dad is so ambitious when it comes to like the family life that he wants yeah my dad worked a blue collar job his whole life like my dad when he you know on his life, I don't think his job is going to be up there in terms of things he's most proud of.

What he's going to be proud of is raising 11 kids and giving his whole life to his children and showing up and being at all their events and grinding it. And he has so much to be proud of for that. To that point, yes. Like not everyone lives to work. You know what I'm saying? Not everyone puts their profession on the top. So why do you hate the son so much?

I just think when your mom is this absolute all-star and this killer and so impressive in so many ways. And all her son does is just follow mom around. And he's jealous of all the standouts. And he's just, he's kind of a loser. And, you know, that's what I think. You know, you guys can disagree. All right, let's move on. Kathy Hilton.

I'm not going to go staring there like, okay. Kathy Hilton. You guys can all tell me I'm wrong in the comments. No, we'll tell you you're wrong right now. You haven't even fucking seen it. Kathy Hilton's house. Love, we went to a Christmas party At Kathy Hilton's house Okay

And it was reality TV heaven It was Bravo heaven Bravo Oh my god Okay We ran into Mary We ran into Mary

Mary Crosby Yes Was she sweet? She was She was very nice She looked at Natalie And she looked at Natalie's belly And she was like

You're having a boy And I was like Close Close Not there yet try again one more chance totally totally that's a flex though to be invited to kathy hilton's party no it was truly a flex it was wild for me especially sponsored by direct tv what outfits were especially fun or did you notice when you got there? Well, first, my outfit, all I had is this. It was like a fuzzy kind of sweatery material green dress with a matching cardigan. Right.

And I put it on and it was giving the Grinch. If you wanted to go like sexy Grinch for like Halloween. It would work. It would totally work. Seven sizes too small the belly growing a life. Yes.

Yes. Seven o'clock. The Grinch had a little bit of a I can't cancel that again. A little bit of a tummy. But what will I wear? But what will I wear? And so I was like this.

I told I was like Nick I'm not getting on the red carpet with you. I'm literally just going for you this. I hate this outfit. And then I was like let me just see what I can do with this. So then I buttoned the cardigan and rolled down the dress and made it a maxi skirt and showed the belly.

And I was like, oh, my God, this is a serve. And so, yeah, the belly was out. And that's why Mary, I think everyone kind of, Kyle Richards is like, oh, my God. Congratulations, everyone. Kind of. I said hi to Kyle. I was like, oh, we're big fans. And she looked at me like a deer in headlights.

Like, she had no idea. I'm like, you'll be on my show soon. But I feel like a baby or like a pregnancy that's like very visible is such a good conversation starter. It's kind of like how Kiki, our office dog, instantly, like whenever people come in, there's like right away,

like something to connect to. I'm like, oh my God, we love this dog. And I feel like similarly at a party when you're mingling, you're like, oh, this is,

I got this. Crystal and her husband. I chatted with him for quite some time about the baby. Crystal. We ran into Crystal. Lovely. He is very funny. I feel like he doesn't get much screen time on the show, but he is quite funny. Yeah, Crystal. We ran into Crystal. Lovely. He is very funny. I feel like he doesn't get much screen time on the show,

but he is quite funny. Yeah, like we ran into Crystal and her husband and like I paired off and talked to Crystal for five minutes and Natalie talked to her husband for like five minutes.

Yeah. He's really funny. Yeah, and then we Miss Katie Thurston was there. Yeah, saw Katie. Oh, nice. Yes, lovely to see her. Katie Maloney, Sheena. Katie Maloney, Sheena. Became best friends with Josh Peck's wife. Yeah. Oh, nice. Yes. Lovely to see her. Katie Maloney.

Sheena. Became best friends with Josh Peck's wife. Yeah. Josh Peck and his wife were there. Lovely couple. They're delightful. Josh never texted me for babysitting. Really?

Really? Yeah. Took down my number and everything. You're kidding. You're gone now. I'm just throwing that out there. But that was a while ago. That was in Van Nuys. That's true.

Paige Peck. What a great name. Yeah. Yeah, it could go either way it's like well you hate it no no well i i like it but it could go either way say say more i just mean like it's like page pack like it's it works for me personally but i feel like it's it's very close to not working but i ultimately think it works that's my humble opinion it's like natalie's outfit it was very close to not very close to not working but I ultimately think it works. That's my humble opinion. It's like Natalie's outfit. It was very close to not working. Very close to not working.

But we got it. Absolutely. I think it's a great name. Yeah. Very charming couple. It was very fun. It was interesting to be inside of Kathy Hilton's home. I will say.

Was she running around with her tequila? Because that's like her thing. She had real snow there outside. She imported real snow. She did. Yeah. I don't know. Also, I was wondering if it was her actual house. Because

there are certain people in LA who have like spare houses for like events. Like Ryan Seacrest has like a house for stuff. For me. Record his like radio show where he doesn't live in it. I would lay down my life for Ryan Seacrest. Yeah, we know. I don't get it.

Yeah, I don't get it either. We were only allowed in like two rooms, though. Yeah. So maybe she lives there. Yeah, it was like no going. There was no chance of bling ringing Kathy Hilton's house. No. My friend was watching Real Housewives of Beverly Hills season nine finale, or like reunion rather, last night.

And I did see a bit where Kyle like straddles uh Moe at a party and starts like making out with him while everybody else is just like very casually hanging out there. Moe was not there. And it made me okay so he wasn't because it made me sad because I was like I know you'd said like it's like you can see the love leave the he was not there yeah. Teddy Mellencamp was there. Okay. Yeah. Heather Dubrow. Heather I didn't get to say hi to Heather. Oh, Francesca Fargo. Right. Francesca. Yeah.

It was a very like, well, and then tonight we're going to the top 40 most powerful women in reality. I was just about to say. So we're going to see all of them again tonight. It's going to be like a back to back reality TV mashup. It was awesome going through that list. I was like,

oh my goodness. So many of these people have been on the vile files. Like that feels very exciting that we get to like goodness, so many of these people have been on the Vile Files. Like, that feels very exciting that we get to like talk to the best of the best. Yeah, we love that. What is it? Taylor Swift turned down

an invitation to play at King Charles Coronation? Okay, so this is actually, it's in a book from a royal expert entitled Endgame. And so royal expert Omid Scobie

claims that Swift turned down the offer to perform at the coronation which took place in may now the heiress tour had just started so there's a big chance that she just was on tour and couldn't do it but he did say that they really struggled to find artists for the event which is probably how they ended up with katie perry singing firework to the nation katie perry's a good get no i know but she's singing like a very american fourth of july song right well if you want a country if you wanted them like took ourselves out of well it is particular it like like the brits have some really iconic rock stars from their country so maybe they they're not. The first person I was like,

Jesse J. Don't ask me why, but that's not Elton John. No, I like it was an unhinged first. So yeah, Katy Perry, I guess on that regard is an interesting get,

but I kind of love this for like my narrative of like Taylor being like, no, I I'm the queen of America. and so like i'm just not gonna i just don't think people like charles i don't think a lot of people wanted to be or just whatever in my world it had more to do with again just to go back on what i said on tuesday about i really think taylor and travis if they if they make it are going to be our our prince and princess our king and queen you know instead of harry and megan which i know ruffles and feathers which is fine i don't care

listen people were like oh is nick comparing like family drama to like the horrific things that you know megan and harry went through i'm like yeah i am like if you're lucky enough that your family doesn't have some really tragic family drama, then consider yourself lucky. How many families deal with hate and bigotry and sometimes abuse and sometimes like real toxic behavior and sometimes people get kicked out of the house because of who they love and who they are. Like, yeah, family's got some real horrible shit. A lot of your friends and peers, we all do. It sucks. Yeah. And the only difference between all of us and Harry and Meghan is their story is worth hundreds of millions of dollars and get your bag. Good for them. I just don't have to like you for it. That's all I'm saying. And I just think Taylor and Travis, like Taylor is the quintessential all American story. She is a prodigy like songwriter who has given this amazing gift. And then she didn't stop there. She became this ultra successful business woman, creates this empire all while simultaneously,

like having this as normal of a life with her family and her friends and she's vulnerable and shares her love life to her audience and and through music instead of like a scandalous tell-all of whining complaining she's like clever and strategic and her easter eggs and and dropping these things and it's, it's just far more likable for me. And then she's now dating this NFL football all-star, very charming, who like, again, entertains and smiles. Like to me, that's just, that's who I want to root for. That's my couple. And if you want to root for Harry and Meghan and all their like whining about the shit that we all have to deal with as well, like then that's good for you. That's my two cents. Period.

Yeah. You want to disagree? Well, I don't know that we have time. You can try. Come on, we have a minute. I just think the floor is yours, Senator. Okay. What they encountered in the royal...

I don't think we're talking about the fact that Meghan was suicidal and not allowed to get help. Again, she has the right to... You can't... This is Amanda's the right to. You can't. This is this is Amanda's rebuttal. You can't interrupt Amanda's rebuttal. I apologize. I don't think we're talking about the scale of the hatred that they received.

And I get that Taylor Swift also has been on the receiving end of mass negativity. But she was not within a royal institution. No, totally. That was like talking about the color of her baby skin and limiting like her exposure to people and reading her mail and all this crazy shit. It sucks. It's horrible what they had to go through. I really empathize.

Are you finished with your rebuttal before he interrupts you? I'm sorry. No, go ahead. You would not dwell in a political debate. Or you do great, honestly. I'm trying to be Lester Holt here and it's not going well. Oh my God. That would be. Yeah. That's your job. Sorry. I'm trying to be Lester Holt here and it's not going well. Oh my God, that would be, yeah, that's your job.

Sorry, I'm sorry. That's your job in 20 years, political debate moderator. Lester Holt, what gave it away? I think that's the main point of what I have to say is just that I feel like you have every right to just on a personal level, like them more. I don't think you have a right to condemn their personalities. I'm not condemning them. I'm just saying they're not for me.

That's all I'm saying. That they're not my royal couple. I think they're probably wonderful people. And they absolutely have things to complain about. I'm simply saying so do so many other people. And I don't like I don't admire them for their complaints i admire taylor and travis for their accomplishments but you don't admire what they've had to go through and how they've got gone through it and come out on the other like you don't you can't acknowledge and have compassion for any of that i have compassion for what they went through for sure but i am not

impressed with their ability to tell a story and get paid hundreds of millions of dollars for it. No. Like, everyone else just has to go to Facebook and, you know, and gripe that way. And they don't get paid hundreds of millions of dollars for it. On a lighter note, I wish I could credit the comedian. I don't remember who it was. But he was talking about how, apparently harry allegedly allegedly was a coke head and he's like do you know how fucking funny it is that he took like a bill with the picture of

his grandma on it rolled it up and they did cocaine with it it's kind of hilarious how many other people do cocaine with the picture of their grandma yeah it's hilarious also but like you know that the royal family it's just like for all my life like harry and and and his brother um william like you know it was always like heartthrobs on the cover of like and i'm always like are they you know they're just come on you know they're they've just been given so many like because their royalty we're being told that they're like these heartthrobs and they're just not but you know who is travis kelsey there was a billboard of william and harry in minnesota when i was like in middle school yeah why were they on a billboard who fucking knows we know who they are what are they advertising themselves travis and taylor are my king and queen that's all i'm saying and if if if you i respect anyone who wants to have Harry and Maggie be theirs. They're just not mine. Now it's time to get

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app or go to drizzly.com. The go-to app for alcohol delivery must be 21 years or older, not available in all locations. Again, that's drizzly.com or go to the Drizzly app. Nick, you're very blue today. I am. Yeah. Oh, who's day blues? Are you feeling sad? No. Oh, he's sad because he ran out of hair product yeah i did yeah why do i got this and then put on the jeans and then i went this and then i pulled out the blue chucks obviously yes i have trucks in every color i'm close yeah yeah yeah i'm like going through i'm like yep a lot of colors he does do you have an orange I feel like that doesn't really count

because it's like well yeah I went to Clemson and our colors are orange and purple okay Halloween colors

those are very ugly yeah we also went to a purple school we didn't have the orange involved but like it was like a bright purple

like it's not a subtle specific purple my high school was purple it's like a cool toned purple yeah like Jason Kelsey came out when he played the subtle specific purple. My high school was purple. It's like a cool toned purple.

Jason Kelsey came out when he played the Chiefs wearing his high school leather jacket and it looked pretty dope and I was like, that's a cool fit. And I thought to myself, we were purple. Yeah. And his was black. And I'm like, I'm not busting out my purple leather jacket. Did people make fun of him for

doing that or was it kind of like a respect? I think they were making fun of him because he was wearing flip flops and shorts and then his leather jacket. Did people make fun of him for doing that? Or was it kind of like a respect? I think they were making fun of him because he was wearing flip flops. And shorts. I thought it was cool. And I was like, that'd be kind of cool to bust out the old leather jacket. And then I remembered it was purple. It's a non-starter.

Do you know that some schools let you major in prom? Prom? If you go all four years like in college no like in high school what do you mean high school major like like not major um letter letter oh letter in prom it's for losers that's crazy if you go all four years apparently there's a public school in my area where you could letter in our education system is going into the trash good letter yeah i feel like that's kind of died yeah the whole letter anyway prom you're not do you have to you're not even allowed to go to prom unless you get asked by a junior i went to seven you went to seven proms okay flex and she's a one. She went to seven proms and an all-girls school.

Only girls can do that. Like, guys can't. Yeah. God, no. No. You get a rep. Absolutely not. You get a rep real quick.

You're literally not allowed to, like, where I went to school, you weren't allowed to go to prom. Well, prom is for juniors and seniors. You could go if you got asked by a junior or senior. Right. So, like, no fucking, like, every once in a while, there'd be, like, a sophomore dating a junior. Did you get asked by a junior or senior. Right. So like no fucking, like every once in a while, there'd be like a sophomore dating a junior. Did you get asked by a junior or senior?

No. You didn't? Did you do the asking? When I was a junior. Oh. But when you were a sophomore, you didn't get asked? No.

Although my first two, my freshman year and sophomore year, I did date upperclassmen. But they didn't ask you to prom ex? Well, by the time I was a junior. Oh, yeah, I'm broken up. Yeah. Okay, got it. I didn't ask you to prom? Well, by the time I was a junior. Oh, yeah, I was broken up. Yeah.

Oh, okay, got it. I didn't want to go. No, of course. It's hard to bring up this past trauma. I do not want to go. Okay, Olivia. Hi. How's it going?

It's good. We are excited to have you with us. I am excited to be here. We are breaking our Southern Charm cherry with you. That's right. Our first Southern Charm. You're taking our virginity. We had Paige. I'll be gentle.

We had Paige on who's like Southern Charm adjacent, but she's more. Oh, okay. Paige is on ours a good bit. She is,

but she's not, you know, thankfully, part of the cast. Yeah. So I don't think of it as popping our southern charm cherry yeah it's hard to say southern charm words are hard to say for you they are it's 9 a.m uh are you how are you how are you how was your heart you're doing well

you're drinking coconut water some people come in here and rip shots at oh no i did that before i got here you did yeah would you like one give me anything to loosen you up but how are you you've had quite a year yeah i um you know i'm good now you know coming off the holidays spent a lot of time with family and um yeah i yeah, I can't, I can't complain at the moment. Okay. So in a better place than before. Yeah. Because I mean, not to go back to a dark place, but I know we talked about before we started, you know, passing of your brother was obviously very difficult. Yeah. And obviously you went through a lot. Um, and is that something that you feel, you know, it's not something obviously you ever really get over, but what is that something that you feel you know it's not something obviously you ever really get over but what has that healing process been like for you and you know where are you now compared to

where things started yeah I would say I mean it's very gradual and very inconsistent but I've been incredibly fortunate to have my close friends and family around me and you know thanksgiving was very different this year but we made the the most of it and um honestly it's like once the dust settles and everyone kind of says that like once the dust settles is when it like really hits hard because like the commotion and the interaction you have with people when it happens kind of keeps you busy and the show did that for me as well so I was very grateful to have charm during that time. But it's, yeah,

it's just figuring out a new reality and there's been an outpouring of support and people sharing their same stories of loss. And there's a sad comfort and, you know, relating to others with this, but it's been uplifting and we're just trying to shape the new reality. What has helped you the most when with dealing with this? Has it been hearing those other stories? Like what is something that, yeah, like that's helped you the

most and maybe that you could pass on to others who maybe have, who are listening, who have experienced the loss of a loved one or a sibling certainly a parent yeah definitely talking to others and just being patient with yourself because there is no rule book on how to navigate grief in any sense and so to just be patient i remember someone reached out and said that to me um just in a random dm and it stuck with me because it's so true like just to allow yourself the feelings if you're angry one day if you're mad like there's and said that to me just in a random DM and it stuck with me because it's so true. Like just to allow yourself the feelings if you're angry one day, if you're mad,

like there's no wrong answer. How would you recommend people who are kind of in your circle, you know, deal with it? Even now, like I'm thinking about how to ask questions about this. For sure. How do I be delicate around this? And so how, how did your friends, your support system, what was that like in terms of people trying to offer you condolences, but not trying to bring it up at that delicate,

you know, how to handle death like that? Yeah, no, I totally get that. Cause I was, it's until you experience it. You don't really know. I mean, I was the same way when I had friends that lost loved ones, but it really is just like being there and then allowing the safe space to talk about it. Like I know if there's stuff I want to talk about, they're there and not to be afraid to bring it up. It is touchy and, you know, it hits the heart, but it it's it is medicine to talk about the person and to keep them alive in memory and the only way to do that is to talk about them so my friends like asked me that question before like just let us know what you need and the more we talk about it the more comfortable they get but yeah don't be afraid to just like you started this podcast

how's your heart you know like a simple question like that goes a long way what do you miss most about your brother oh man um well i miss i miss being the youngest and getting away with things um just his heart he had the best heart he was so kind and everyone knew him and i've always been known as Connor's little sister and um just his presence you know that's the the biggest thing and and the hardest part of this has been watching my parents you know like they're staying so strong for me but I like constantly want to remind them like they don't have to be strong for me. Like I can be there for them and I'm the baby of the family. So that's an adjustment for them. It's just, you know, talking, like I said, talking about him, keeping him alive within the family.

And we all cope so differently, you know, like my mom constantly like she wants to be in his room every time she comes home. And my dad has a hard time looking at pictures. So it's just it's all different. And you just got to be patient with each other and um but yeah i appreciate you asking is there any awareness around you know how he passed that you want to bring to light to the people listening because obviously his death was tragic and, you know, just kind of a sad, a sad moment. But, you know, it's, there's, you know, a lot of any type of prevention or things that you've learned through the passing of your brother that, you know, maybe you could pass along. You know, I recently did special forces with Bodie Miller who lost a daughter and she drowned. who lost a daughter and and she drowned and um you know Bodhi was so open about that and that experience of what it was like to you know lose a child drowning and you know just how he talked

about how he didn't you know a regret you know not respecting water or you know taking things for granted and and his relationship with water yeah in a. And the precautions you have to take. And with Nali and I being expecting parents, it was really eye-opening. It's like that balance between, okay, this is a dangerous thing, we have to be aware of it, but also how do you move forward with life

without becoming afraid of everything? How do you handle that in terms of how you lost your brother and becoming more aware of the dangers that are out there and what people face. And, and yeah. Yeah. Um, it definitely comes like with the process of grieving, you know, like right at the beginning, the last thing I wanted to do was talk about it. And it's just been recent that I've felt comfortable as well as like checking with my parents and like their comfort level. Cause it was like a whole new experience as like checking with my parents and like their comfort level because it was like a whole new experience like dealing with what was happening and then like the

extra layer of the show and what that brought on so it was like a whole new learning curve but for him he suffered majority of his adult life with Lyme disease and that is such a silent deadly disease and it's one of the hardest to um diagnose because it's got such wide range of um symptoms yeah i feel like it's not talked about like at all it's really i mean i genuinely feel like it's a pandemic because we can't control tick bites you cannot control a, but what you can control is the education, the research and, you know, traditional doctors. Like we were, we were fortunate to have the means to like get the best help and travel and get answers. He didn't, he didn't get diagnosed till like 10 years after he had already been showing symptoms. And by that time, you know, the traditional doctors were giving him band-aids, like things, telling him it's in his head, like giving him stuff for anxiety, giving him stuff for pain.

And this is like a 16-year-old, 17-year-old kid. So that's really like where the problem started. And just to like educate more and like allow like the functional doctors to move forward with their process and to just listen don't write off like someone's symptoms I remember him coming home from school in high school and he was saying something about his um his eye he kept being like look at does my eye look lazy like I can't I feel like I don't have any control of it and as a 14 year old I'm like what are you talking about you look fine like and it's just stuff like that constantly that kept growing and growing and luckily my parents are just the best human beings in the world they jumped on it immediately but

like they they weren't met with like the best help you know just to give someone medicine to make them feel better in that moment that's that's not it it's hard because like you want to trust the doctor so like when they say oh it's anxiety you're like okay maybe it could be anxiety and yeah but then it keeps happening and things keep evolving you're almost thinking like great anxiety i'll just meditate or you know or i'll just relax you're always hoping for good news when you go to a doctor and when a doctor says don't worry about it you're yeah that's usually good news unless exactly unless and and so the the like dependency started with him. And that was the part that was difficult for me to talk about because it's just so quick for people to look at someone with a drug problem as like a partier almost or like just another statistic. it for him and um so and you know the cause of death was fentanyl poisoning and that's another pandemic i think we're in in itself and so i mean yeah just really listening and taking the time to

listen to your body and and don't take no for an answer i feel like there's been so much i mean we've watched them all all those shows on net Netflix that's like about the Oxycontin. Yeah. There's been a handful. The Michael Keaton movie. Matthew Broderick. Dope Stick. The one with Matthew Broderick was on Netflix.

I wonder what that's called. That was incredible. And there's one that just came out with Chris Evans. No. Okay. Yeah. Chris Evans. Yeah. Chris Evans.

We just watched it. Chris Evans. Is it Pain Hustlers? Yes. That's with Chris Evans. And then Pain Killer. And just watched it. Chris Evans. Is it Pain Hustlers? Yes. That's with Chris Evans. And then Pain Killer. And then Pain Killer as Matthew Broderick.

That was really good. And that one. And then Dope Stick was the first one with Michael Keaton. Oh, that's right. But I feel like it's bringing so much light

and changing that kind of narrative of partiers. And like, it really shows you how truly addictive and just how like these doctors were just throwing oxy at any problem yeah yeah um and i do think my brother was

a part of that like wave when that first started because yeah it was it was just pain medicine for for everything but yeah it was difficult to talk, but I've found therapy in doing so. And also if I can make any kind of difference in people's lives. I mean, people who talk about their Lyme's experience who reached out on Instagram, it's wild. It's all the same thing. It's all the same. Like I went to the doctor. I was feeling this way.

They told me it's all in my head and it's just, it's crazy and it's sad. And I do hope that there's more awareness. Can you test for Lyme disease? You can. It's like a blood test and they check for antibodies. But even if Lyme disease is in that first phase, the test can still come back negative. And the longer Lyme disease is in your body, the more harm it does. So you really it's really difficult to diagnose.

Wow. Yeah. My roommate has it. to diagnose wow yeah my roommate has it and it's something where like also just chronic illness as a whole the way it can be like just so disruptive and invisible in everyday life and not feeling understood is there a cure for it it's not it's it's a long procedure of like medicines and ivs and it's it's a long recovery yeah yeah it's also something where like access makes such a big difference where it's like because it's not like a simple like you prescribe an antibiotic you get better like yeah there's so

many different like ongoing treatments that you need and like if you don't if you're not someone who has like access to really good health care that will cover that or like some of it's not even covered by health care then it's just true a lot of it isn't yeah good point well and i think part of it is because if it's diagnosed early then antibiotics are helpful but because the symptoms can be confused with so many other things if it progresses too far then it becomes more serious and it's not just easily eradicated because of a few rounds of antibiotics right right to have like something that's so like gut-wrenching and like central to who you are in the midst of i know you were saying like in some ways charm, it was nice to have like something to keep you busy and stay going. But there was also kind of like in the midst of this, like really gut wrenching experience in

your life, there was this drama that like, you know, in comparison seems so trivial. Like what was it like kind of balancing those two experiences at the same time? It was, it was tricky. It was a doozy for sure. you know my castmates stepped up so much when everything went down the production team could not have been better and like let me have my time with my family but then it's like we got back into it like i got back in with filming and it just felt like someone pressed play like like a switch flipped yeah it was like and i i wasn't wanting sympathy I wasn't trying to be a victim but I just wanted a little bit more like understanding to where I was mentally so to like

have yet another sit down with Austin or Taylor whoever else to talk about something that was just not on my mind was like and and you watch me back this season i look like a mute like i literally have nothing to say i'm just like okay because it was just i didn't care at the moment and i was i got more and more frustrated and i was constantly trying to control the emotion because the last thing i wanted to do was like strike on someone and it'd be like misplaced emotion so I just kind of kept quiet and got more mad did you ever get frustrated with any of your cast mates feeling like you know because the switch flipped it almost their their sympathy prior to filming did it feel disingenuous once filming started i mean i couldn't help but feel that way you know i hated it because they were there for me but then to for it to just like like you said the switch i couldn't

help but feel that in a sense i i think the ones i've fascinated i've recently got into bravo you know i've watched bravo it's been it's really been a pleasure yeah It's really been a pleasure. Yeah, it's really been a pleasure. And what I love about it is just how much it seems to really blend in with your lives. You know, like Bachelor World, there's a very distinct, like you're in a bubble, you're filming, you're going through this like fucking social experiment yeah once you're outside of the bubble your life is altered and changed and you've you know it's weird but it's separate and this is your guys's life ish and it's kind of like what i find most fascinating about watching any of these bravo shows is to figure out like what's part of the show what's your life is it both and we have friends in Bravo World and when we talk to them it's like yeah this is yeah what do they say this is your life well it's just kind of like it's like they sometimes it's like they don't know the difference between being on the show or being in real life you know it's you know sometimes like I don't want to talk about it and then that's all they talk about you know because, because it's like, but I get it. You know, it's it's so much of what you do.

And it's really fascinating to watch, you know, but filming it, I can't help but wonder there's got to for each of you. Right. I feel like each of you must approach being on the show differently. And how do you handle being on the show? And how do you handle, you know, and how do you handle you know having boundaries so to speak in your personal life and i feel like everyone does that differently where some people like getting to know tom sandoval and special forces he is vanderpump vanderpump is him it's

his life there is no starting and stopping to me like really it's just like he is just his. The show must go on. Like, I don't get to he's like what he's going through. So it's like that it's just consumed him. Or do you think it's kind of like that's been. Well, I just recently got to know him. So, you know, I didn't really know Tom Sandoval 10 years ago, but it just seems like he's been doing this for 10 years. Everything he does relates back to being on Vanderpump. Yeah. You know, where it's like, how do you, how do you turn it off?

Yeah. So to speak. I can't imagine. I mean, granted, this is only my second season and it does, it like consumes you. I have to actively remind myself to like turn the brain off and not make it every conversation point. So I can't imagine, you know, 10 years of that. Like that, that,

that would be a lot. How did you get on the show? So big misconception here. Everyone thinks I was casted as like Austin's love interest or like I was brought on because I was dating him. Incorrect. Fake news. I cannot stand that. I'm sure. To tell the truth. Yes. I'm here to clear the air. So Leva was a family friend of ours. And my dad and her husband and my brother did business together. They invest in their restaurants. And so she called me. And I had met the other cast prior.

My brother knew all of them. So he was kind of a bridge there, too. But Leva called me one day and she was like, hey, you know, they're asking around if we have any people that we think would be good to bring on. I'm just going to put your name in. And I was living here at the time. In LA? Yeah. And so I was like, yeah, sure thing.

Why not? Doing what? I was a production assistant and I loved it. I got everyone's coffee. And then I worked as an assistant to an acting coach. And she coached people who had already like booked the roles. So it was kind of cool getting to watch that process pass.

You know, like Emily Blunt gets a role and then she brings a script into the coach and they work the scenes and kind of develop the characters. So that was really cool because I obviously sat in a lot being a production assistant during like the casting process and the auditions. And that is so boring. It's the casting process and the auditions and that is so boring it's the same scene the same line and everyone's coming in thinking they're doing it some special way and you're like no the guy was where he did it the same way but have a good day but um so yeah I was in LA at the time and then um it was a very gradual process I was lucky to

have time to like talk about it with my family and think about it and not just sign a contract like the next week. Are you from Charleston? I grew up vacationing there. My parents have always had a place there. So it's always been like a second home. But this is the first time I'm like living, living there. And I don't know how I feel about living in the place you've always vacationed. Like do you all have that place where it's been like your escape place and then also it's like you're gonna be now living there it's it's an adjustment is it weird a bit yeah you go from vacationing to now like hating everyone around you yeah you're like oh i used to love this restaurant because i had it once a year and now i hate it yes yeah that's funny i'm, nice. And we very much say that Charleston is like our rival city.

Oh, totally. Because we're so similar. Charleston seems like we were there for a wedding not too long ago. And it's my first time. And I had been to Savannah. And it's like a cleaner, stuffier, boring version of Savannah. Charleston? Yeah.

Wait, clean? That's my... You obviously haven't gone to King Street at night. There's nothing about it. It just seems very pristine and clean. Where Savannah, not that Savannah's dirty,

but there's a little more. Savannah is like New Orleans grimy. Savannah, less grimy. Charleston, clean. Pretty clean. Clean. Interesting.

That's kind of my read. Yeah. Was that your first time going when you went when i met her i've been there several times now okay yeah do you miss it yeah yeah i do we just went back for thanksgiving and it's it's a good refresh yeah yeah i love going home i love just getting out of la in general yeah going home especially to savannah because my family has a like farm but it's just animals.

Oh, that's so nice. It's so nice to get away. That's culture shock. Yeah. Leaving LA and going to that. I do. I always wanted... My end goal is to move back home and be closer to my family.

So when Charm came along, it was just perfect. Perfect timing. It was right after the pandemic. So I definitely want to be closer to home. And I love it. Everyone always asks, do you like it? And I'm like, we wouldn't do this if we didn't. Right. It's a little... right after the pandemic so i definitely want to be closer to home and i i love it everyone always asks like do you like it and i'm like we wouldn't do this if we didn't it's a little it can be a lot yeah that's true um all right let's get into the how about that shot

yeah would you like one i do nick will take one with you will you take one with me oh my god yeah he will he will he took one with Lindsay Hubbard he'll take one with you oh nice what would you like we have tequila I need tequila

get us the good stuff thank you the good stuff mixologist Amanda Allie would you like one oh Jesus the last time

when he did one with Lindsay I was on like a juice cleanse that only lasted until like 6. every day. And I'd eat something and then I'd start over the next day. And then Nick was like, will you do a shot with me and Lindsay? And I was like, I will hit the deck. I was like, I have only drank juice for the most part.

A bit of tequila because I thought there was also juice. While we wait for the shot, I'm really excited to break this down with you when it comes to your friendship with taylor i am i wonder if it can be saved is that's that's what i want to find out yeah i'm less interested in in your relationship with austin being saved yeah which i'm curious because watching it you seem more interested in the possibility of saving your relationship with austin than the possibility of saving your friendship with taylor yeah that's just just watching it comes across yeah would you say that there's accuracy in that or do you think that's more of a perception of what we're watching no i mean honestly i i starting out like the beginning of the season when all this stuff was starting to happen i was very adamant about saving the friendship like i said that like taylor's

friendship is number one priority and then just as the season went on and the more I realized that friendship wasn't what I thought it was, I just I felt myself shift with Austin. And he he's comfortable. You know, I did. There are unresolved feelings there that I knew I needed to get over, but I hadn't. So I definitely like leaned into the comfort of what is me and Austin. Yeah. OK, here's a shot. I'm on East Coast time, so we don't have to count this as and Austin. Yeah. Okay, here's a shot. Nice. I'm on East Coast time,

so we don't have to count this as my breakfast. No, it's live. It's five o'clock somewhere. Thank God for bubbly. All right, well, cheers to popping all Southern charm cherry. Cheers. Cheers.

All right, here we go. I make the hottest faces after taking a shot hell yeah oh my my i knew this is why i flew back 9 44 a.m clock that okay all right when did your friendship with taylor really start my first season so last season season eight um i came in she was shep's girlfriend and i just like instantly clicked with her and then you know producers saw us and saw how we interacted and then we had more time together and then when filming went away uh i was with austin she was with shep and the four of us like traveled a together, and we got really close. And what about it? What did you love about the friendship?

More specifically, off-camera, why did you guys bond? We were just similar. We were both very, very close with our family. Our moms are very alike, and then our moms got close. And it was just same sense of humor, and she just seemed like it just we hit it off really quick and it is kind of like a a nerve-wracking environment to enter into you know so to like meet someone and hit it off with them and you know she was going through the breakup with Shep around the same time Austin and I were kind of dissolving and so we leaned on each other

a lot with that uh the breakup with her yeah for sure and I confided in her with everything and I were kind of dissolving. And so we leaned on each other a lot with that. You felt safe with her. Yeah, for sure. And I confided in her with everything. And I, you know, was there for her with the Shep stuff. And I was friends with Shep. She was friends with Austin. So it was like a weird, like she could kind of translate like what was going on.

She was very much involved with Austin and I's situation. And how so? Well, she was close with him. They had a friendship that she got close with him long before I came along. And so she was always giving good advice and could kind of come from a place of knowing both of us, which a lot of my friends didn't know Austin and didn't really understand the show stuff.

So I didn't have a ton of people to talk to about it. Taylor was my go-to person with it. And she was always very much for Austin and I. Every time I was thinking it's time to call it quits, she would reaffirm, no, he loves you. You love him. Y'all really should just figure this out. So it was a safe space.

And I didn't have many people to talk to about him. I can imagine all the advocacy for you and Austin felt particularly hurtful once you found out that things were going on between her and Austin. Yeah. That was the most hurtful part of it all is thinking how much conversation was going on between Taylor and I just to know that at that same time she was also trying to figure out her feelings for him. Did it feel like a projection of her feelings for Austin while she was kind of talking to you about how great you and Austin should be or could be? I've looked at it from all possible angles, trying to figure out where her intention lied.

And I still, I don't know. That's just another level of, like my brain doesn't even work that way. So to think about someone else doing that, I don't know. I just, I wouldn't project my own hidden agenda onto someone else who I cared about, like their love life situation you know yeah at that stage like were you in Austin do you think like if you had to kind of like put a percentage

on it of like how close you might have been to like get it staying together or rekindling things or like what at the point that Taylor and Austin specifically kind of like shared allegedly a kiss and then kind of like went and talked to their families. Like, where were you in Austin at that exact point? So, well, it's funny cause I don't, nobody really has like a firm answer to when that happened because they've changed their stories so many times.

But what she keeps saying is it happened after New York while I was in California. So timeline of that. Oh, we'd love a good timeline. Yeah. Cause there seems to be, that's the missing character in this season is like the timeline but i love a good time i left new york because we were

at reunion um he and i had a falling out at reunion and i went to california for three maybe four days so she was saying it happened somewhere in there it almost is like an excuse like well you were in california and i was like i was there for four days. And four days prior, you were crying. Someone had to keep him warm. Four days prior, you were falling over Shep. You were having a full blown meltdown at our reunion. And you're consoling me at the same time with Austin. Why did you and Austin have a falling out? solely me at the same time with Austin. So yeah. Why did you and Austin have a falling out? Reunion just kind of showed me. It just opens your eyes to a lot of things. That's where people either have your back or they don't. And our whole relationship, I was constantly having his back.

Like he would talk so much trash about Madison and then that made me not like Madison. And I went on Andy Cohen show and was like defending him. My first time on Andy Cohen's show and I call Austin like a Range Rover. I know because they said they used to like always joke and say he's like a Honda Civic and I was like, no, he's a Range Rover. But how do we feel like he is now? Definitely back

to the Honda Civic. Well, one could argue. Mini Cooper, yes. He is a Mini Cooper. He's like the Mini Cooper like sport men's. He's a m Cooper. He's like a mini Cooper, like sport men's. Well, as a former Range Rover owner, Range Rovers are and we're in the car market now. What are you looking at me for? You just became so much cooler in my mind. Guys, can I tell you a secret? I'm going to ruin this for you. I had a dream. I had a dream the other night and my dreams are very vivid. I was looking at my text messages, has Nick Viall at the top. And he goes, hey, just wanted to let you know, a brand sent me a Range Rover, which has been my dream car my entire life.

But since I've allowed you to work for Minneapolis, it will be going to Derek. That was a dream you had? That was a dream I had and I was distraught. Oh no. And I was like, he doesn't even have his license. Please let me have the Range Rover. Allie, someday I hope I'm in a position to get you a Range Rover.

But what brand? Say you guys went for free. That being said, Range Rovers are overhyped. They're poorly made. You could argue. They're more showy than they are. More showboat than dependability. Yeah. They're glitchy. They are more showy than they are. More showboat than dependability.

Yeah. They're glitchy. They are. Oh, sorry. So maybe Austin is a Range Rover. He is a little glitchy. You know, a little glitchy. This is why I drive a Mercedes.

Flex. Why did you guys break up in the first place? I mean, because it sounds like there was a lot of back and forth and conversations and you guys did the whole like. Super back and forth. You know, we love each other, but like, you know, it's almost as a lot of relationships can go. It's the drama that keeps you going. It's the intensity, but there's really no foundation of comfort and compassion and just, you know, feeling good, you know, feeling normal. Like so many people discount in relationships, the,

you know, the feeling loved and the feeling safe and the feeling like, hey, I can trust you. So many of us in relationships, especially when we younger we love that drama that like the push and pull the give and take I hate you one day but I love you the next yeah was that you guys um I didn't want it to be if it was I mean we definitely danced with the terms boyfriend and girlfriend it was like a commitment issue on both our ends I'll own that too because there was a time then that he was like, I want to date. I want to be together. And I was the one that pulled back.

And then we were just in the gray area too long. If you stay in there too long, something's going to happen to ruin it. And we did. We stayed in that too long. But I always say I wish he and I started as friends. Because we get along so good on like a friendship level, like just surface friendship,

like talk about movies and do movie quotes kind of thing. Not like confide in him. But I think for me figuring out like TV world, I he's been in it so much longer than I have. And I went into things with him like a hundred percent at the beginning and I was a little nervous with I think the show stuff kind of made me hesitant but then when it was when cameras left that we really were together like that's when whether we not we said boyfriend and girlfriend like we were very much together we we traveled

together I spent holidays with his family he like we told each other we loved each other so that's like the big confusion on viewers and like they're like were they ever really together and I can understand why they think that because it was confusing all during the season because we were being very wishy-washy but when when cameras left, we were together. And the person that was involved in that and understood that the most was Taylor. So to watch her back this season, say,

were they ever really together? Like that's kind of like what changed things for me on the friendship front, not to bring it back to that, but just using almost like using your one-on-one conversations as friends against you. Yes. Yeah. Because she, of all people, knew we were together.

She's the one I would talk to about this stuff. And she's the one that would tell me he loved me. We're together or not. We're together or not. Yeah. As your friend. Yeah. She should know how you felt.

Yeah. We can criticize whether you guys properly define the relationship. And certainly you guys had your issues in a relationship, but as your friend, your understanding was she knew how you felt about him. Yes. And I think too, with Austin, I always knew like it, I wanted it to be him. Like I wanted us to work out because it just, it was fun with us and I did fall for him. But, you know, at the end of the day, I knew he wasn't right. And I think that's what it was. It was like kind of making me hesitant. And then he was hesitant for his own reasons. So just, I don't know. I

want to say it was kind of deep from the start, but we got really close there. And I do, when all this stuff went down, I more missed him as like a friend than anything else like you think Austin the TV personality played a role in why Austin the human stopped you from being in a relationship because it just seems like especially with this kind of OG cast the more of the people who've been on it for a while they're professionals yeah they know how to be on the show and even if they're really good at being authentic on the show, that's a skill that they have to develop. And it is hard for them to turn off because, again, the lines get so blurred between being on the show and being off the show. Yeah. Do you feel like that affected the chances that you guys had of working out?

One thousand percent. I think that was a huge part of it. And coming back to Reunion, that was the first time that I saw him because I drop the ball as being like my person and and stepping up the way that I thought he would after I had like been there so much for him and like defended him and like Madison at the time was coming at me for seven awesome just sat there like silently and I just remember the blood like draining from my face and I didn't I couldn't even I don't think I spoke the rest of the time like I was just so I know that feeling yeah so you're like you're on you're filming a show and you're just like what the fuck is going on yeah like we just had eight months off camera of you like becoming my person and there's a performance going on yeah and then all of a sudden to see it back yeah how how what was your experience with that uh I, I mean, being on the bachelor,

there's always moments again, different setup, but there'll be little moments where it's just like, what the fuck are you doing? Like, you know, like what is, it's such a mind.

Where's this coming from? Two hours ago. Like, what is this performance you were putting on? You know, some people like they, they are performing and other people are more authentic. Yeah. Back to your friendship with Taylor. She obviously is going

through a lot with her breakup with Shep. I mean, I really felt for her when that scene where Shep said he enjoyed cheating on her. What a horrific thing to say to someone i was equally maybe disappointed is the wrong word i empathize with taylor anymore i don't know why she chose to later that night spend the night with him in the same bed i don't know if they hooked up against it but i felt i fell for her and i felt for her because you know she's an adult she can make her own choices but and i don't know i don't know anything about Taylor, the human being other than what I've watched, but I can relate. And I have a lot of friends who can relate to that. You will, you, you feel broken, like a really, I've, I've been broken by relationships. You know, I have been

broken by heartbreak where you look back and you, you know, for periods of time, you're just like, that was not my best self. You know, you're just, you're in survival mode. It's your, it's literal fight and flight, you know, and you're not in the right headspace. You know, you're making out of character decisions because that person that you've trusted and relied on so much has just broken and beat you down that you feel like the only thing that can get you through another day is that validation or just a little bit of affection from that person who broke you so much and and Shep clearly seems like a low character person from my read you know the three amigos you know I, I don't, I can't fucking tell them apart.

I truly can't. They sound the same. They fucking look the same. I can't believe they're not fucking brothers. They're doing this like Andy Cohen, Raspy like voice. Like, are they constantly yelling? What the fuck is going on? Right. Somebody said that. I was like, their voice sounds like they just screamed into a pillow right before getting on. I'm like, that's so true. I think they've all popped some kind of vocal cord. Cause it is, their voice hits all octaves at once. It is fucking nuts. But that all being said, you know,

I, I'm not trying to make excuses for Taylor, but she seems to be down bad, so to speak. And, and it seems like Shep really fucked her up and she's making choices that I don't, again,

don't know anything about her, but you did become friends with her. You must have seen a lot of good in this person. Yeah. And I am just wondering, choices that I don't, again, don't know anything about her, but you did become friends with her. You must have seen a lot of good in this person. Yeah. And I am just wondering, you know, do you think there's a possibility that six months from now, 12 months from now, Taylor might look back and just be like, who was that person? Who, you know, why did did i do this and try to make amends do you think that's possible i would like to think so i think i do think it's possible um but i just think she has to kind of like understand the severity of like why it got to the

point that it did like Like, I think. I don't know. I think in her mind, genuinely, I don't think she understands the level of betrayal. I don't know. I don't know if she understands why I get so upset. And I'm only saying that because like the rest of the season, our big argument, she's like, why are you so upset? Like, I just. Well, the lake house scene, you confronted her and you were literally like, I think you

both fucked. You point blank said it to her. And it was kind of bizarre because afterwards, you guys, you were just like, you know, you kind of go into your ITM and you're like, I don't think I can be friends with you. And you leave. But like her response to that accusation was kind of bizarre. Yeah. Because there was almost like no response you know it was like well okay

well sorry i feel that way like i don't know what the right response you know but like you clearly obviously still think they did more than kiss i do yeah uh and you think they had sex do you think they had sex multiple times you think there's an ongoing hookup or do you think this was a one and done? No, I think it was an ongoing hookup. So it's interesting, you know, when it comes to lying, I've learned. Lying, I'm not a good liar. I value honesty and trust and loyalty with the people I bring in my circle. And if I'm lied to, it's a damaging thing that's hard to rebuild. It's a damaging thing that's hard to rebuild. But there's a reason why people lie, in a sense, because they don't, they feel stuck and they feel trapped and they don't know.

Shame. They feel shame, you know? And there's almost like, well, if you just tell me, then I'll forgive you. But that person's thinking, no, you won't. Right. It's not going to exist. It's like a setup. Yeah.

I guess my question to you is, if Taylor came clean and she sat you down and she said, Olivia, first, I'm so sorry. I've lied to you. I'm ashamed of myself. I've lied to you multiple times. I don't know where the lies begin and the truth starts. I just, again, I'm sorry. We did sleep together. We slept together multiple times. And I knew, honestly, if I look back in those moments where that was happening, I think there was a part of me that always knew what I was doing was wrong and I was being a terrible friend. And it's not an excuse, but I was fucked up and I'm really trying to be a better person do you do you think you could forgive her I know it's easy to say this sitting here but the answer is yes like it would have stung my ego would have been incredibly bruised I probably would have not talked to her for a good bit but I would have eventually been able to forgive her and move forward.

Probably not nearly in the same category as friends as we were, but I can understand that. I can wrap my head around that. I can wrap my head around dabbling in an area for curiosity and having a close friendship with someone and then start questioning that like I really really can wrap my head around that and I wish and I told her when you know when we were filming I said stuff's coming out like just be honest with me because if you keep letting the truth trickle out it's going to get worse like I had that conversation with her and she swore it to my face that there wasn't anything else. And then in another conversation, she was saying, you know, I do think Austin still like cares about you and loves you. And I'm just like, what? It's not about Austin. Like I felt

like I had to beat that into her head this season. it was not about Austin it was about the total disregard of like you caring about our friendship because you're protecting him or protecting you know what would happen to y'all but I'm literally sitting here telling you that we can be okay but just be up front with it because I and you know we had that conversation on camera I was like if if more stuff keeps coming to me from other people like the less I'm going to be able to believe what you're saying and that's going to put us in a terrible place as friends and I didn't want where it's at now I didn't want the like team Olivia team Taylor but I knew it would get here if she couldn't just own up to stuff and

that's why I was just like throwing her so many like life rafts of like please tell me the truth please tell me the truth and and that's why I stayed so calm and so many of our scenes or conversations together because I just I wanted to be okay with her I really did I did not want to lose that friendship at all well you also defended her like I was so impressed like I thought it was incredibly high character in the times when people, you know, there was kind of like all together, it started to be a pile up and you like interjected and said, like, don't do that. And I think you went really out of your way to kind of try to compartmentalize. And like you showed up to her Bay Chaser, but like, you know, just things where it was like, it was clear that

you were playing the long game with friendship, even if things weren't great in the moment. And so for you to be able to have that kind of like tunnel vision and be so mature and then in return have or not be able to meet you there must be really disappointing. Yeah. Well, thank you for saying that. I appreciate that. That was the disappointing part, because like during filming, I thought she was meeting me there. Like the conversations, stuff we were having, I thought we were on the same page of like, let's make this friendship a priority. It wasn't until I watched the episodes back, like when everyone else did, that I was like,

oh, you're having very different conversations with people. Like you're telling me you're very sorry and didn't mean anything, blah, blah, blah. And I believed that. And that's why I kept moving forward with her. But then to see her get in the car immediately after that conversation with me and call Austin and say, I was well within my rights. Y'all weren't even dating. I would have had more respect for her to have that conversation with me than to have the one she had with me.

Like, I would have rather you come to me and be like, look, y'all were weird. Y'all were confusing. I had feelings like I could have had that conversation with her. So that was where for me, things took a drastic turn in the friendship. Where I felt like I, I don't know, but where I felt like I knew she was lying. It was when she said to you, I think she said it to you. It would just be easier if I told you that we hooked up that's a classic jax taylor line i think jax taylor said that multiple times to people if i would just be easier if i told you you know like i think every person who's like down bad on a lie that's like they're they're saving that's their line it would just be easier i would just tell you the truth you know like it's like ah she fucking did it um but what about austin you're still talking to austin what has austin

as he i'm assuming it sounds like he's still also lying though have you heard different things from austin that you've heard from taylor because they seem to be still in cahoots. Taylor and Austin? Yeah. I mean, I think they'll always stay friends. No, I just mean like the... Oh, as far as like what? What happened? The story.

The story. Well, I was very adamant about not asking Austin any questions because I didn't care for his... I knew he would have some cushioned, sugar-coated response. And I was just wanting to keep the focus on me and Taylor. So I.

Yeah, but don't you really want, don't you want to know the truth? I just didn't think I was going to get it from him. Fair enough. But then I guess what I'm saying is you have everything you're saying about Taylor makes a lot of sense to me. I would, all the reasons that you're hurt. everything you're saying about Taylor makes a lot of sense to me. I would, all the reasons that you're hurt, but you do seem, if I'm going to challenge you a little bit,

to be giving Austin a pass that you're not giving Taylor. Yeah. And there is that classic, like, when it comes to relationships and infidelity, it just seems like the guys get off the hook or the other party gets off the hook. And it's just easier to blame her yeah whoever her is or their friendship where it's hooked to and you two were in the relationship you two you and austin were the ones saying i love you and maybe you and taylor said i love you to

each other as well but you seem to be willing to hold austin less accountable than you're willing to hold taylor i mean that's not the first time i've heard that and i def i completely understand it being that way i think i mean i almost expected this from austin and not using that as like an excuse so he can do it and be okay with it. But like the shock of it all came more with Taylor and not necessarily like what she did, but just the continuing to protect Austin, like the stuff she was saying to me of like not being truthful about what happened.

I knew she was saying that because she was trying to like protect Austin and not have him. Do you really think Austin? I feel like, I think it's, she's just trying to protect herself. I've just been in that position before where I want to like protect austin and not have him do you really think austin i feel like i think she's just trying to protect herself i've just been in that position before where i want to like protect austin in a situation where i did where i shouldn't have so i kind of recognized it in her but i mean herself as well but i mean but isn't that but isn't that isn't that austin kind of flexing his power and influence of this group and again these fucking guys seem to like have this you know when sheps is like we're just terrible fucking people yeah you know where it's just like

we fucking suck so like no one should expect us to be like because we're admitting to it so we should be able to like yeah and they get some sort of pass where and then they you know through it seems like kind of these channels off camera and there's like secrecy of like just protecting the group or protecting the show. And we don't want to get these guys against us. There's this, this level of power. They seem to flex sometimes where, yeah, maybe at times people like Taylor or other people, it comes across as like protecting austin but at the end of the day austin if they if they hooked up multiple times or even one time or whatever they did austin was there and austin knows the truth whatever the truth is yeah and so as someone who has a strong opinion about what that truth is you have you know you think they hooked up you think they hooked up multiple times but you don't know for sure no it's a total gut feeling there's like zero evidence i'm just shocked that you wouldn't how could you ever be in austin's presence without just being like fucking tell me if if

no if you ever cared about me tell me what happened just so i have just so i can know so once you because like just the truth will set you, if nothing else, think of all the energy you've invested in wondering what the truth is. Even when you think to yourself, I know it fucking happened. You know, there's,

I'm sure moments where it would, you, your mind's like wondering, well, maybe it didn't, you know? Yeah. And the energy you're investing in not knowing the truth. And Austin knows the truth. Yeah. I think like moving forward or like moving on from the friendship, I just kind of like let

go. It's almost like the truth is irrelevant at this point. There's been several different ones. The fact that it's taken this long for the truth to come out if it has is like enough of an answer for me to where I'm like okay I I know you know I think I misjudged the friendship with Taylor not anything against her I think I might have expected too much too soon so I I didn't feel like there was some great loss with moving forward without her I really did fight for the friendship and I didn't want us to get here but I did make the decision to like I'm done here like I don't want to try anymore I don't I don't care to and I had that with Austin as well like I was ready to move on from him I think I certainly like I was saying before slipped into the comfort of Austin and like my unresolved feelings for him

this season you know like I know I needed to get over him but it's just like unnatural to like be around the person and interact with them that just is a bit of a setback so I think I fell into that not anything on him like it's me like I'm well aware it was my feelings and I started like things got into question and once I realized Taylor wasn't the friend I thought she was and like conversations she was having behind my back, then I kind of just like started leaning into the Austin part of it. And it was during not an excuse at all.

I'm not using this by any means, but it was like just during a time where my head was so fuzzy, like I really wasn't thinking straight and I just craved normalcy and I just craved comfort. And I had that in Austin for so long. And that's like really where I like shifted in the season of realizing like, OK, Taylor's not my friend anymore. Here's Austin making an effort to be back in my life and telling me he cares about me. And I leaned into that. And I totally see why it looks like I'm letting him off the hook more so than her. it looks like I'm letting him off the hook more so than her. And maybe I did a little bit just to have him back in my life because I had already kind of accepted that. I don't think Taylor was going to be in mine anymore.

Yeah. I think we've all, I don't know if we've all been, but I feel like I've been in your shoes before and it's a very relatable position to be in. And yeah, it's, you know,

sometimes with friends we, you know, because there are friends, we want to hold them to a higher standard in a weird way we let our partners or people we're interacting with off the hook because there's i don't know there's some sort of like paw pass we give them to be messy with our feelings in a weird way but that is a good way i mean it's true when's the last time you talked to austin so we have mutual friends that have this sick place in the bahamas and he and i both got them in the divorce so like we they invited us both on this trip and with like a group of people and we both went i

took the guy i'm seeing and he took his new girlfriend and we were able to just like put our bullshit aside we're around these like adults and people who don't give a shit about the charm drama so we we were in bahamas together when was that um two weeks ago two weeks ago and there was no hanky panky when was the last time you guys hooked up? Oh, Austin? Yeah. I mean, like, when we were back together, like, openly. So, BravoCon of... Not this BravoCon. Last year. Last year, yeah.

So, it's been a minute. It's been a minute, yeah. And would you say that you are fully moved on and cleansed from Austin? I do feel that way. I think I'm always going to have a soft spot for the friendship because it's just, I don't know. Speaking of BravoCon, I heard something happen this year. What?

I heard there was a little yelling match between you and Austin. I was thinking housewives. Yes, that did happen. That did happen. Can you elaborate on what happened? So we did the Southern Charm panel. And, you know, first time we're all on stage together since filming. So it's a little heated, but we knew to go into it and make it like more positive.

Don't hone on the drama. And I can't remember someone's question to Austin was like, what? I can't remember someone's question to Austin was like what it was something about like you lied to or how should you have approached it better with Shep with the Taylor thing I can't remember it but Austin proceeded to say well what was I supposed to do just like lie to Shep and keep talking to Taylor and then lie to him again and I interrupted and I said well that's what you told Taylor to do with me and you know the audience had a reaction it's so funny someone has like a picture or like a video of him after that happens and he's just sitting like this on the panel just like in thought like what do I say what do I say

to recover so anyways we get off the stage and I'm walking by him I just see him look at me and he was like fuck you Olivia fuck Olivia. Fuck you. Yeah. He just got so mad because it's like he gets himself in these situations. People react and have an opinion, but he needs someone to blame for it. So because I initiated a conversation that had other people like booing him. It's your fault. It's my fault. Yeah.

But how are you the victim in any of this? Well, wait, no, the perpetrator. You are the victim. How are you the person? I thought you were like saying that to Austin. Like, how are you victim how are you the person you're like saying that to austin like how are you yeah i am saying this to austin yes but so that just got heated and i was eating like a bag of peanuts because i was fucking starving and i just like threw it out that's how mad i was i just threw away my snack on his face and um and like our people were like separating us and we were screaming at each other and then went to the Bahamas four days later. Is it JT?

Short one. That one. Yeah. When is he going to just admit that he's obsessed and in love with Taylor? Well, I mean, he does. Yeah. Pretty. But he kind of, he's pretending to be her friend.

They're not friends. You are obsessed with her. I think he definitely. Like at BravoCon when they were like, what do you like most about Taylor? Also, I find this super annoying. And listen, I love Jesus as much as the next guy. She loves the Lord. But when the first words out of your mouth are, well, she loves the Lord.

First of all, that's not a quality that she has. That's something you have in common. That's a mutual interest. You both love the Lord. So first of all all you didn't talk to me you didn't say anything about who she is as a person you're just like it's a fucking cop-out i fucking hate it when people do shit like that um i'm not a fan of jt all the lords love him not jt jc not jt yeah um it's he just such he's like the classic guy who's just like you know doing the most doing the most he's shopping at stores he has no business to shop at so to speak you know it's like yeah something my boyfriend was saying

like you never underestimate the patience of a heterosexual man like never never never like they will play the long game in an insane way it's not just men like we we talked to plenty of women on this show who are fucking around with people who are they're pretending to be friends and they're in these situationships they do things like you know jt's like well he'll drop clearly he's the type of guy who would drop anything for taylor he would take her to a picnic he would take her shopping he would do anything and then he would like talk to his buddies and be like well we do all these boyfriend and girlfriend things i don't know why she doesn't look in love like you're fucking pathetic um anyways i just had to get that out i got in a huge fight with him, like our, one of our parties. And I called him, I called him Lord Farquaad.

And I was like, I'm going to be in so much trouble. But then he was Lord Farquaad for Halloween. So I was like, safe. Oh, you know, good for him for leaning in. Yeah, lean in. And Rod, is it Rod? Rob? Rod.

We have two Rods. There's Rodrigo and then rod which one of you the one you rod rod had no business even entertaining yeah i was like rod is such a nice guy good great sure wonderful i don't give a fuck yeah and the clown and he's, I think we should date. You're like, hmm, like, not. I mean, you were a little bit of a fuck boy in that moment.

Yeah, no, I'll admit that for sure. You know, he set you up. Well, no. No, no, I take the blame 100%. Because, like, before he came on the show, I had, like, drunken makeouts with him downtown. Like, I put the moves on him. And then when the show started, I immediately like recluse.

I was like, Oh no. Like I don't. He's like, I love you. Oh my God. I love you. I mean,

it was me. I was the fuck boy in that. I was the Austin in that situation. I definitely like. I'm still dating other people, which is basically code for saying listen like if it all goes to shit and no one else will date me then sure we could i've apologized to him profusely for that but it was kind of fun being a fuckboy for a bit

yes everyone deserves a fuckboy era. Era, I agree. Yeah. Something I did want to touch on was I was kind of confused of like what to make with Taylor's like, there's a lot of confusion about whether or not it was a nude that she sent to Whitney. Ah, yes. And it was kind of a complicated situation because on one hand, I think it's really destructive and shitty when people share like photos like that with other people. So in some ways it felt weird. Watermark your nudes. Yeah. Watermark your nudes. Thank you. So I so it was kind of confusing because on one hand, it feels like a real violation to be showing that to people. On the other hand, really feels unhinged and bizarre for her to maybe have sent that to Whitney. And like,

what did you make of that situation? That's a really good good point because I think it's like equal both sides but I just feel like just be a bit quicker on the mark if you're going to do something like that in our group of friends you got to be prepared to face it and talk about it because that's you know like just so that that's where like one side of it was and I told her like when she like let me know she did that I was like oh Taylor I don't know it's too late because you already did it but i just want you to know it's probably going to be talked about at some point so i just think think about it like you know our job you know what we're gonna have to do you know we're gonna talk about so there's plenty of other fish in the sea to send your news to not so much much in Charleston but like maybe your ex's friend isn't the one to

do it to to caption it come on come on Madison went in talk about an uncomfortable uh dinner and her talking about that and that was my first time back filming since I had been like away so I just like sat down at that table to see like what I miss and then they started talking about the nude that I was prepared to take to my grave because i was just prepared to do that so then when that was like discussed at the table i was like mid bite of steak and i was like oh shit taylor's down bad i just i i really i mean i don't wish this on her i i i hate what she's going through she's also going through like a personal tragedy she lost her brother a few months after me and so like i i i don't like the situation she's in like i i hate it and i wanted to be there for her as a friend and i just gotta i

don't know she's got a great support system she's got good friends and i'm never trying to like dump on her even more. But I just, I didn't really take up for myself during the season. I didn't say much explaining where my head was. And I felt like I should be able to do that, but not in a way to like put her down more. I just wanted to simply explain like what I was thinking during the show and not to take away from her. I have a question about Taylor. I don't want you to answer right away because it's time for texting office hours.

And so we're going to help someone else with their relationship problem. Okay. And then I have some other questions about your peers. Taylor, you've gotten, you became friends there. You haven't even known her for that long. So do you think she is a person who generally has good character, but right now is just down bad she's gone through her loss of her brother her her very toxic um an unhealthy relationship with Shep

and that she is just not the best version of herself right now or do you think that yeah she's got some really good qualities and charming and fun you had a nice friendship but the more you got to know her you realize that at the end of the day maybe she just doesn't have the type of character you thought she had as a friend and that you've simply given up on her character don't answer that's a good question all right well it's time for texting office hours and when we come back we'll help a caller out draft kings casino step into a world of non-stop action at draft kings casino if you're feeling lucky play the classics like blackjack roulette and slots plus enjoy exclusive games you can't find anywhere else All you have to do is sign up, select the offer, make your deposit,

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I'm Riley and I'm 25. How can we help Riley? I just got engaged over Thanksgiving and I need help telling my ex-best friend that she's not only not standing up in my wedding, but she is not going to be invited. First of all, congratulations. Congrats. Yeah, round of applause.

That's just the way we are. Why aren't you guys friends? Man, where do I even start? We were best friends in college. We met because we did this mutual, I don't even know if you want to call it internship. And over time, we just kind of, I guess not like lost touch, but she has been just acting very different. Like she's been having a lot of bad behavior as a friend. She thinks that we're still friends and I'm kind of on that train of not wanting to be friends anymore.

So she didn't kiss your boyfriend? No, she did not kiss my boyfriend. He does not like her also. Not relatable. What is this bad behavior that you speak of? Oh, man. Quite a few things, honestly.

I wrote down a list. Get that list. Is it laminated? Well, just a few things. Like, I notice every time we're together, if things aren't going her way, then she'll lash out at me, whether it's something small, like, you know She lives in the city that we're nearby and I'm in the suburbs. So it's just like a lot of her expecting me to go out of my way and see her. And then anytime we are together, if I'm with her the entire day, she'll just be mad. If it's like eight hours and we've been drinking all day, I'm like, Hey, I need to get home. I need to go see

my dogs. She'll just, she'll lash out at me if I don't spend enough time with her, basically. She seems obsessed with you. Yeah, there's another layer to it too that I think she might be in love with me and I'm not just saying that. Okay. Okay.

Oh, wow, that is another layer. Yeah, there's a lot of layers to it. Have you ever confronted her about any of this behavior? Yes, actually. So I confronted her back in March. She had this big birthday thing at a bar. Again, it was in the city. So it took me about like two hours to get there sitting in traffic. So I didn't eat all day. And that has something to do with later in the story. So we go to this bar. She invites way too many people. She's not really talking to the group of friends that we had because, again, we met in college. So she's talking to everybody else except for us. So we're hungry. We go next door. She thought we were leaving. So she had this big lash out at us at the bar.

And I said, no, no, no, like we're coming back. But she didn't want to hear it. It was just awkward after that. So we're like, OK, well, we'll get food. She's clearly mad at us and we won't come back. Then the next morning, she texts my other friend and I will call her Kaylee. Because Kaylee and this friend of mine all were good friends in college. So she texts Kaylee and I, and she says, you know, it was really shitty what you guys did just leaving me on my birthday. She's one of those that's like her birthday. It's,

you know, center of attention type of deal. She's also an only child. I don't know if that has anything to do with it, but yeah, she sent us this long paragraph, just like saying a bunch of rude things, honestly. And so my response was, Hey, let's talk about this in person because this feels like it's been building up. So talk to her in person after a few weeks and it was Kaylee and I, and we sat down and at first it was a little awkward. No one really wanted to bring it up at first. Uh, but through a conversation, we finally got there. She just stopped and said, okay, so what happened on my birthday? Um, and I was trying to explain the exact same situation to me. But then it just turned into another incident where she just lashed out at me. She was calling me shady because I was trying to leave.

She was saying I'm a bad friend, you know, this, that and the fifth. So, yeah. So I ended up actually leaving that conversation feeling worse. And so did Kaylee. So it didn't seem like she was all interested in finding common ground she just wanted to vent and then expected you guys to just apologize and that's how it always goes yeah and my boyfriend i'm sorry my fiance wow my fiance has caught on to this as well um he's very supportive of just me. He's never liked her from the beginning. And I did not know that until I asked him one day for his opinion. And he said,

she's not a good friend to you and listed out a bunch of reasons. And she actually wasn't even invited to the engagement party. It always usually takes like an outsider, not that your fiance is an outsider, but someone coming in new to really like call out the things because you just kind of condition your mind to think like what's happening is normal so like kudos for him it's always a fine line when you have like um parents or loved ones or friends or partners who are supportive but not like helicopter you know so they'll kind of mind their own business but when you ask or you break up they're yeah i fucking hated them and you're like well i could have used that now but you realize had you they told you at the right time you would have been defensive and gotten mad so you kind of had to figure it out

yourself all that shit um he's very direct well i mean listen you know what you want to do and i'm not hearing from you that you my guess is you probably called and you're thinking, what's the nicest, easiest way to let this person know without creating a lot of drama and conflict and yada, yada, yada. And I guess my answer is, I don't know if that's possible. And I don't really know if you need to care. I love to find reasons to figure out, you know, because in life, friends, you're going to have conflict with friends, you know, friends, especially that you meet earlier in life, they'll let you down. They might lie to you. They might betray you, you know, but sometimes you have to fight through those things because no

relationship is perfect. No friendship is perfect, et cetera is perfect etc etc but it sounds like with this particular friend you have reflected to the point where you're just like i don't our friendship's more based off of history you know living in the same fucking dorm going to the same parties but at the end of the day i just don't know if i have a lot in common and when i've tried to mend these fences it continues to be one-sided it continues to be like what have you done for me lately? She can't see the forest through the trees. She can't get out of her own fucking self-centered bullshit. And you're just kind of like, I quit, which you have the right to do.

You know, like I say, if you've listened to this show, like when it comes to breakups, you have to let the other person think you're a bad guy. You know, when you want out of a relationship, you don't get to be the hero in the breakup when you want out. If you want out, you have the right to go out, but they have the right to be mad at you and upset with you and say you're this and say you're that. But it doesn't make your decision wrong. Yeah, it doesn't. Exactly. And so I don't know if there is a way to do that. So then the second part of that question is then knowing that there's no way to express to her, Hey, listen, not only are you not invited to my wedding, you're not standing up,

but I really don't want to be friends with you anymore. There's just no world where she's going to like, take that well, you know? So the question you have to ask yourself is like, how do you want to go? What do you think is the right way? Like, do you think she deserves a face-to-face conversation? Do you think this is just a simple text? Like, I don't think there's a wrong answer, but I really think the choice is yours and how you handle it, not to push it back on you, but I just think you're trying to do the impossible when you think you just like, you just have to accept that your decision is your decision and you don't have to feel guilty about it, even though you do feel bad and that's OK. But it's as Olivia said, doesn't make it wrong. How did she find out that you got

engaged? Did you see it on social media? Did you text her? So I got engaged the day before Thanksgiving. And then I, not for any reason, I posted it on Thanksgiving. So then she texted me, congratulations. Let's meet up sometime soon and catch up. And the last time I saw her, she didn't even know that I was getting engaged anytime soon because my fiance doesn't talk to her. She said, I can't wait to stand up in your wedding and I was like um oh she's kind of it's it's hard too because like you said Nick she has been a really good friend for me in the past and I know not to dwell, you know, on the history that we've had, but she has been there for me with previous boyfriends. If, you know, I was in a pretty

verbal abusive relationship before she was there for me. And when friends from other, you know, other friend groups that she's not a part in, you know, when they weren't being the best to me, she was there for me. But at the same time, those are the girls that will be standing up in my wedding. So I can see her looking back and saying, well, you know, these people were not so nice to you, but I don't think she's self-aware, I guess. And how are you able to mend fences with these friends who are going to be standing up in your wedding? Yeah, we were able to actually have that raw and honest conversation and they noticed, you know, what they did wrong. And anytime that we can sit down and talk about our, not only differences, but times that we've wronged each other, it's reciprocated and they

genuinely mean the apology. Whereas like with her, every time I try to talk to her, like her and I are both really bad at confrontation. So anytime there is confrontation, it goes like zero to 100. Do you think she has a hard time, I guess, making or more importantly, keeping friends in general? I know she does because when we were both in college, she didn't have any friends and neither did I until probably like a week before I made friends with these people who are kind of from my hometown. And just I don't want to say brought her in, but we all just slowly started hanging out and she would tell me time after time, like, thank you so much. I was thinking about even transferring or dropping out. But ever since I met you, my life has changed type of deal. This is going to affect her. When people get broken up with, they want closure. They want to know why. They want to understand why. And are you willing to have that? She may not hear you. She may not listen. She may argue with you. But are you willing to communicate why you're not willing to be friends with her anymore and give her examples, whether she receives it or listens, you know, she's going to argue with you, but you, you can still hear it. You know, maybe she'll down the road realize, but are you willing to do that? You know?

Yeah, I'm definitely open to it. I'm just a little nervous for the last time I tried to confront her. Like you said, she doesn't listen to it. And that's where I, well, I mean, you can point that out and you could, if she wants to throw the other friends in your face, you could listen, like as I've matured and got it older, like I'm not asking as my friends to always agree with me. I'm not expecting us to always be on the same page, but as friends, I want to be able to have these types of conversations and work through our issues. But every time there's conflict with you and I, it feels from my point of view that you always make it about you, where you can't ever acknowledge the role you play

in our conflict. And at the end of the day, it just it feels exhausting to try to maintain this friendship because I never feel like my side of things are ever considered. I also think something you can point out is that it's really frustrating in these situations when it's like you've known her for so long and she knows you, she knows your character. And she knows you, she knows your character. And it's like, if she thinks that you would really leave her on her birthday and not even say goodbye, then it's like she doesn't even know you. It's like, you know, like I would never do that to you. I would never just get up and leave on your birthday and not acknowledge it. Like I was going to get food. I was coming right back. But the fact that you can't give me the benefit of the doubt is like something that you're struggling with you know or to that end where it's just like maybe you were tired and you went home and you didn't properly say goodbye instead of just like being like hey that kind of annoyed me no big deal she made it into like a whole thing about who you are as a friend you know and it was like this exhausting yeah that's like walking on eggshells to the max and that's not how it should feel with friends. Yeah. Yeah. No, totally.

And all my friends from college were at the engagement, except for her. And I'm noticing that they're not posting to like they're not like they're in the same boat as me. I'm just in it. I would say the most deep, just like you guys said, feels like we're all walking on eggshells because like every little thing turns into a big thing. So I just, I know there's no right way to do this. I just don't know how to really go about it. Like, I say this a lot. Why don't you write, why don't you write a letter? Why? I don't know if you should send it, but write your feelings down, write her a letter, see how it comes out, you know, read it

back to yourself. And that is your way to express how you feel about the friendship, the conflicts you've had, how you feel like your side of things weren't considered. If you write it and you read it and it articulates your feelings, well, maybe you send that, you know, that's your way of trying to articulate your feelings without being interrupted, without getting into a fight. It's just like, this is how I feel. And you have the choice to leave it open ended. And what I mean by that is just like, you could either say goodbye, or you could say,

if you want to talk about this, I'm here, you know, choice is yours. But I can't help but empathize with her a little bit because she's not, she's not right, but it's just like, she doesn't get it. She doesn't see it. And I feel for her that this is a clearly a person who can't get out of her own way. And she's hurting herself by, as a result of it. And it is causing her to not have friendships that she clearly desires to have. She desires to have these types of connections, but she doesn't know how to not get in her own way. And maybe you just articulating this via a letter and try to write this letter with love in a weird way. I mean, by that, just be compassionate and considerate, but still express how you feel. And, you know, it's up to you whether you want to leave it open-ended or close the door. Yeah, for sure. I just hope she won't be

blindsided because the last couple of times we hung out, like I tried to make it normal, even though I felt very uncomfortable. And when she texted me and said, we got to catch up, I'm like, yeah, let's catch up. So it's like I definitely play a part in it, too, where I don't feel comfortable voicing my opinion for that specific reason. But, yeah, I definitely believe a letter is probably the way to go. Yeah. Ignoring her would be kind of cruel. Right. And ghosting her, so to speak.

Yeah, I wouldn't do that. I mean, she's been there for me through too much and and the things that my friends say too is like well maybe this is just a rough patch or maybe you know you're just in different like spots in your life and i just i don't know if it's that or if this is just like should i fire you as a friend and also you're not standing up and also you're not invited to the wedding well i think her think her reaction will show. Yeah, you'll see. You have the right to say right now, this is how I feel about this friendship. And right now I don't feel close with you.

I don't feel connected with you. We don't really have a friendship and it makes me sad too. Like it breaks my heart, but you know, this is how I feel. And I wish that I could talk to you about these things. I wish that when we upset each other, that we could actually have discourse where it felt like we were both feeling heard and seen. But that's not how I feel. It always feels like our friendship is based around your feelings.

And every time your feelings get hurt, I become the bad guy, no matter what the situation and no matter how I try to talk about my side of the story i'm always the bad guy and i just don't like feeling that way and you know sorry you know and if she wants to change if she wants to you know like there's always a chance she could grow up you know and there's always a chance that from now until your wedding she can completely change you know how she is and be a great friend to you and maybe she's not standing up in your wedding but maybe she is at your wedding you know there's still chance for that it all depends on how she wants to handle it hopefully i am hopeful that she can change just

because i feel like that, like you guys, I think I've said in the past, like just friendship breakups are so hard. They are. So hard. But like, I guess what I'm saying is,

you know, it's still treat her with the love and affection that you had for her as your friend. And you have to be honest. And maybe this is a goodbye, but at least articulate your feelings, put it out there be kind when you're doing it but be honest and direct and see how she responds like the choice

is hers but you all you are is just like in any other relationship you are setting a boundary hey i i now want friends in my life who do x y and z or who don't do x y and z and if you can't X, Y, and Z, or who don't do X, Y, and Z. And if you can't respect those boundaries, I'm sorry, I just can't have you in my life. And you're communicating these boundaries with her and you're going to give her a chance to respond in a certain way. The way she has approached this friendship up into this point is a direct result of why you're choosing not to have her at your wedding or stand up in your wedding. And she's going to either have to grow up and acknowledge her behavior and say, hey, my feelings are hurt, but I see what she's saying. And there's some truth to how she's said. And I don't like how she's, her decision, but I'd rather just make a difference or she's

going to continue to play the victim and she won't be at your wedding. But you will at least then have the peace of mind knowing that you tried. Yeah. I guess my only follow-up question to that is her reaction. If it is bad versus if it is good, I don't know. Is there, from your point of view, would you say there's a specific way to go for each? Well, if good, let's say her, if her action was good, that means, right. There's some sort of acknowledgement and apology. And then you could say, well, listen, like maybe we can get together, but like, I'm not going to have you stand up in my wedding.

And right now I don't want to send any expectation. I don't really, this is not really about my wedding right now. This is about you and I. And so if you're willing to maybe meet up without any promises about where we go, then sure, let's take it slow. But, you know, then that choice is yours. But you can hold her accountable for her behavior, you know? And there's not a playbook.

I think it'd be more simple if it felt like, oh, if this, then that. You can kind of know how to go through things because like this is so complicated and messy. So I think the more that you can kind of not make yourself feel guilty for having saying some things that you need to say, like, and hopefully like trust your gut. So you're not coming at this from like the place of being like, ah, this is really tense and uncomfortable because like once you're kind of in tune with your gut, then you'll know how you can respond. Like you'll know if in your gut you're like, you know what, I want to throw her an invite.

You know what? This is a huge relief. I don't want her in my life anymore. Like all of those things are kind of valid. There's no one correct answer. And so I think the more you can do to put yourself like in tune with yourself, which is not telling yourself you're a bad person because things are uncomfortable and there's conflict, then I think the better you'll be equipped to handle.

Oh, that's great advice. That's so true. Amanda's good. Yeah. I feel like I get to observe everyone else and then I'm like okay I'm just like what she said and again she didn't make out with your boyfriend

that would be a whole nother combo we're having it we're having it oh no I'm sorry alright well do we have a plan yeah i definitely want to write the letter i don't know if i'll send it yet but just get all my thoughts together write it twice you know may feel good about the letter first one can be angry first one can be like fuck you you piece of shit you pissed me off and this the second one can be like listen i really you know like just get it all out there on paper and then that way

you know how you feel yeah but from your friend's point of view it's a shitty feeling to just be abandoned and have people not respond to you and she may be in the wrong, but she does deserve an answer from you. Yeah. No, I agree. Circle back. Let us know how it goes. Treat her how you want her to treat you. And that kind of goes along, even in a breakup, don't lose the high ground, so to speak. Yeah.

No, for sure. I'll keep you guys updated i hope i don't call back like well she yelled at me again well maybe she will but then you'll have your answer right like you can't control her reaction you only can control how you go into it and there's a world where she handles it poorly she doesn't go to your wedding two three years go by and all of a sudden you guys reconnect when she decided to grow up. You know, sometimes people need to hit rock bottom for them to realize that their problem is them. I like that.

Yeah. Give me a bumper sticker. You're the problem. All right. Yeah. No, thank you so much. This is all things that I kind of already have been hearing, but it's like you've said, nice to get like a total outside point of view. Well, good luck.

Congratulations. Please keep us posted. And I can't wait to hear an update. Yeah, of course. Congratulations on your baby. So excited for you guys. Thank you so much. All right.

Thank you. Bye. Friendships are such a motherfucker. Truly. Tricky business. Yeah. They you. Bye. Bye. Friendships are such a motherfucker. Truly. Tricky business. Yeah. They shouldn't be. They shouldn't be.

What do you mean? Like listening to her example and she's been feeling this way for some time. If that person is your friend, that shit is getting discussed and squashed early on. That space should be safe enough to be able to talk about it i know it's not i know but sometimes we become friends or become lovers and we get into relationships with people who have their fucking baggage and their shit and their or their attachment styles are off you know all the you know and and then it becomes up to us whether we want to work with them or leave. Because, yeah, we all have a right to leave a relationship that's not serving us.

Every relationship has its issues. And then we just have to decide which relationships are worth fighting for. And some are and some aren't. But I do think sometimes in life, know especially i think that it's tricky when we're younger and we kind of go through that when we make friends in college or early 20s i think a lot of people have friends um because like the fucking three amigos i was thinking about that when i was watching southern charm this seems like a group of guys whose friendships are most based off of like their willingness to keep each other's secrets.

Enabling. Yeah. Their willingness to like, yeah. I'll get really fucked up together. You know, you'll cover for me. I'll cover for you. And our friendship's based off of that, you know, and a lot of friendships. And when you're young, our base off of that, you know, because you want to fuck around.

You want to have some fun. It's nice to have people around you who don't make you feel judged for your own shitty choices. And then some of us mature and we get older and we grow up and we want to hold ourselves to a different standard. And then that makes us look at our circles and then we have to decide which of those people are willing to change because we want to change or which of those people are not. And, and, and people don't always mature at the same pace, you know? And so that's where friendships can get tricky in your mid to late twenties or thirties, depending on when you guys grow up. And so, yeah, that's why friendships are complicated because everyone's on their different journey. Yeah. Different journey, different speeds, you know, it it can be a challenge yeah i agree

so back to my question about taylor i um i i i do acknowledge that she was and is going through a lot and i do think she has a good heart and that is why i was so wanting to fix things with her. I think we might value friendships in a different way, not to say that one's different or better or worse than the others. But just like for me, I value communication and having each other's back. And I have friendships that go back to first grade that and they're just you know and I think I just hold friendships to a certain standard and and I think maybe Taylor casts like a wider net with her friends like she's got a lot of them and they're like a lot of good time friends and I just think we we look at friendships differently and one's not worse than

the other I think I might have like over thought the friendship to be more than it was but it's not anything against her it's just like I'm realizing a lot of shit especially this time in my life shitty times or you know exciting things like a wedding or like losing a sibling I think it's a turning point in your life and And that's just when you get more of a grasp on what you need and what you want in friendships and what you have to give. And if that stuff's just not met with someone else, it's not a bad thing.

It's just like a realization that you can go your separate ways. And that's where I'm at now. But it's certainly not to say that I don't think there can be a resolution at all. It's just, I was doing questions with Nick over the weekend and someone asked a

question about how to deal with a fucking narcissist or something. And my answer was, you know, something I've learned in life is just kind of accept people who they are. You get to, you meet people, you learn about them and you realize, Oh,

this is how this person is. Yes. A hundred percent. So I'm not'm not gonna i can't change them i just realized who they are maybe they might change over the future but as i see it now this person is self-centered or this person is this or that it sounds like you've accepted taylor for who you think she is in this moment in her life yeah but if down the road she surprised you showed up at your door and maybe said some of the things we talked about earlier where she took the accountability that you think she should take and expressed to you the type of friendship that she would like to

maybe develop with you or just people in general that you would hear her out yeah i like i would say yeah i think it's really admirable the type of friend that it seems like you are to where you can look at taylor and say you know like i think you're a good person who did a bad thing and i'm not giving up on this friendship, but acknowledge that this friendship won't be what it was at one point, but I'm not giving up on you and I'm here if you ever need anything and I don't want to close this door off.

I think that's really admirable of you. Well, thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah, of course. Thank you. I do. I'm not the type to just shut the door on something completely like you know i i like

progression and and i want to be in a better place and hope that we can get there and austin bring out the tequila can i just say and i i totally understand when you're in a space and you're cozy and you're like, I cannot have an underwear on. The bra. That you said, throw it away. That's what gets me. I feel like when I find a bra, you know, I cherish it. It was just such a bonehead. It was a comfort thing, like in the moment.

And then I was halfway out the door, like my Uber was there and I was leaving. And he was a comfort thing, like in the moment. And then tossing it. And then I was halfway out the door. Like my Uber was there and I was leaving and he was like, wait, you're wrong. And I was just like, just toss it. Because I didn't want to put it back on. But I woke up that next morning like, what the fuck were you thinking? Everyone's going to know about that. And sure enough, the next day, everyone's like, oh, you're wrong.

Why, when I said Austin, you said an S for another shot of tequila? No, I can't. He's just easier to shit on. I don't mean it that way. I, boundaries there with him. And I need, you know, I needed to like move on from my feelings and stuff. And I do want to be in a better place with Austin as well.

And we can be like, we have the ability. It's just like new boundaries. And that's why I always say, I wish we just started as friends because romantically is where it got trickier. And I don't know. And who's this new guy you're hanging out with? His name's Alex. He's from Dallas. We met at a wedding. I was my dad's date to a wedding. Dallas. We met at a wedding. I was my dad's date to a wedding. Oh. Yeah, and he was late to it. He had a business meeting, so not only was my- Dad or Alex? Dad.

Okay. So I'm walking into this wedding by myself late, and he was the usher, and he was like, can I walk you down the aisle? I was like, yeah, it's a little soon, but okay. No kidding. Cute. Yeah. He's in finance, too, so he didn't know anything about the show so that was fun introducing it to what does he think of austin well they met everything went went well i told him because alex can get like extra nice when he's drunk and be like buddy buddy and i was like babe

just go like obviously have fun be nice but you don't have to like besties and he's like no i know i got it's fine it's fine and sure enough like three hours later they're coming up on the golf cart together from playing there's like four golf carts but they're in one together and I was like those guys are charming motherfuckers it's called Southern Charm for a reason

sure is but there's no like weird tension or flirting between you and Austin anymore? We're just... No, I wouldn't say it's... No, it's just right now we're just trying to figure out how to be around each other and be good and put the bullshit aside.

There's still a lot to say there. And that's what a reunion's for. Well, speaking of reunion, I know you have to be careful what you say, but what are things that you would like to address at reunion? Are there topics that you would like to get resolved or conversations you would like to have when it comes to reunion? behind people's back like that's what it is each scene is like with a different duo and so watching it back and seeing some of the conversations that were had about me um versus the one they had with me i i would love to to like clear that up and also just like clear up like that i'm not trying to be a victim like austin said that to me we were at bravo con he was like you're really playing up this victim card. And I'm like, just because I react to the shit y'all have done doesn't make me try to be a victim.

But like, I have to say something. You have a right to be hurt and you have a right to be upset when people do shit to you. And when your ex and your ex best friend do some shit and then are not honest about it and then manipulate the friend group and that you are in fact the victim of that situation and you have a right to express yourself right and that's what i didn't do this season so reunion i want that opportunity to express myself and to ask the questions that i didn't ask during filming because I didn't know they were... Do you think you're better prepared for this reunion than you were last reunion? A hundred percent.

Can we expect a feistier Olivia for this reunion? Yeah, there'll be tequila there. Okay. Do we have any other questions for Olivia before we let her go? Maybe just as the rest of the season airs, is there anything that you would tell viewers to just like maybe pay attention to this, like something that you think watching with a close eye? That is a good question.

The dynamics of the friendships, like kind of how they shift, I thought was interesting. I don't know. That's a really good question. I have to think on that. But I like that question. Something to keep an eye on. You can keep an eye on how much alcohol we drank in Jamaica. That'll explain

a lot of upcoming conversations. Well, Taylor, if you're listening to this, I'm just hoping there's a light at the end of the tunnel. You know? Can't be friends with everyone. Cannot.

Do you think Taylor's a people pleaser? Yeah. I do. And we all are in some aspects, but no, I do think that. Because I think that's like how it started. Like she wanted to please Austin

and not get him in hot water. So she admitted that she was protecting him, you know? And so I do think it starts with thinking of others and not yourself with her. I don't think she's like a selfish person. I think she got into a very complicated situation, didn't know how to handle it. And then progressively just took the wrong turn. some advice or tough love that you think Taylor should hear

when it comes to maybe how she is as a friend take inventory on your priorities take inventory on your friendship like realize the people that are there for you and want to be your friend

and don't let i don't know don't let like the worrying about other people and like i don't know that's a hard question i'm sweating tough love just do you think it'll come out that they had sex do you think someone in yeah your group knows like all the vanderpump reunions eventually there's always like yeah fine fuck it we fucked he told me one time it always comes from the guys too at this one i sincerely i wish i would get married and have kids at this point like my gosh like it's just you might as well give it a shot i think but i mean

taylor and austin yeah like do you think she's over Shep um I think she's dating someone now but that doesn't mean she's yeah I bet if Shep came back to her and said let's give this another go I'm sorry she would get back oh I hate that answer for her I feel I mean that was probably my answer for a bit with Austin like it's just like a I get it but then again that's where she was when I was friends with her. She was very much like not over him. So it's been months.

So I don't know where she lies now, actually. She could be completely over him. She could be engaged for all I know. I have no idea. You really have had no contact with her. I reached out to her

obviously when her brother passed and I like went to her house and spent time with her there because I did want her to know like above everything else that is most important and I do want to be here for you because I did want her to know above everything else, that is most important and I do want to be here for you

because I just feel like I didn't get that because it's trickier. People don't know how to act in that situation, but I did know how it felt so I wanted to be sure that she knew I was there

and then stuff started bubbling back up and just lost contact. I hate that for you both. I hope some healings in your future. But you seem like you're in a good spot. Regardless. I am. I'm good.

I'm happy. Are you in love? I am in love. It's fun. He's so cute. Yay. We love that alright

what's he look like he's 6'6 ooh you have a type my god dark hair dark eyes

not from Charleston tall dark and handsome tall dark and handsome yeah he is one of nine siblings and they're all

I'm one of eleven no way where do you fall I'm the second oldest that is so cool now he'm one of 11. No way. Where do you fall? I'm the second oldest. That is so cool. Now he's one of seven. What? I'm the youngest.

So we're like. Oh, I love that. Okay. I love. I mean. Where does he fall? He is smack dab in the middle. And I met them all and they're all lovely.

Great. They're very beautiful. I felt like I was like meeting like the Cullens on Twilight. Cause I was just like, they're all so pretty. I know. It's been great. It's been really fun. And he lives in Dallas and that's where my hometown. So I've been spending time there and splitting the difference. It's been fun. Okay. Well, Olivia, can't thank you enough. It's been a ton of fun. I enjoyed it. Really enjoyed it. Where can my audience find you, follow you, enjoy all of the content you're putting out in the world? Instagram?

And I think it's Olivia B. Flowers. So you can follow me on there. I haven't gotten a hold of TikTok yet. That thing is stressful. But you can follow me on Instagram. Do you want to show your boyfriend's Instagram if they want to follow him? I don't want to scare him off. Fair enough.

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