The Viall Files - E676 Reality Recap - Meeting the Biebers, Golden Bach, Squid Game, RHOBH with Madeleine Byrne & Phalisia

Episode Date: December 5, 2023

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap Edition! Today we are joined by Madeleine Byrne to talk about all things reality TV. First, Nick and Natalie talk about hanging out with Justin Bieber at a holiday party, and what he had to say about Nick’s outfit and scruff. Then, we talk about the Golden Bachelor finale and Gerry’s Hollywood Reporter article. Next, we touch on this week’s episode of Bachelor in Paradise and Blake’s goodbye. We also discuss Squid Game: The Challenge and are joined by Squid Game’s Phalisia to talk about her experience on the show. Finally, we wrap up with some pop culture headlines.  “Gerry fully immersed himself in being the Bachelor, and really led on the last two women.” Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: ShipStation - Let your customers shop risk-free this holiday with ShipStation. Go to https://www.ShipStation.com and use code VIALL today and sign up for your FREE 60-day trial. Skylight Frames - As a special, limited time offer for our listeners, get $15 off your purchase of a Skylight Frame when you go https://www.SkylightFrame.com/FILES  Highland Titles - Check it out at https://www.HighlandTitles.com, and use the discount code VIALLFILES to get 25% off your order. DraftKings (Casino) - Download the DraftKings Casino app NOW and sign up with promo code VIALLFILES and play FIVE DOLLARS to get ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS IN CASINO CREDITS! Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit www.1800gambler.net. In Connecticut, Help is available for problem gambling call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org. Please play responsibly. 21+. Physically present in Connecticut, Michigan, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, West Virginia only. Void in Ontario. Eligibility and deposit restrictions apply. One per opted-in new customer. $5 wager required. Max. $100 in Casino Credit awarded which require 1x play-thru within 7 days. Terms at casino dot draftkings dot com slash holidays on the house. Restrictions apply. Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @madeleinebyrnee @phalisia @nnataliejjoy @alison.vandam @liffordthebigreddog @dereklanerussell 

what's going on everybody welcome back to a new and exciting episode of the vile files reality recap edition i'm your host nick joined by the household, we got Amanda in the studio. We got Allie somewhere in the Midwest. She's back. St. Paul, Minneapolis. I mean, Minnesota. Justin is with us. Our pop culture correspondent, Natalie Joy. Hi, babe. Hi, honey. And our special guest today, the one and the only Madeline Byrne. I'm so happy to be here. Madeline, how's it going?

It's so good. This is surreal. I'm a fan of the pod. I really, I'm a listener. We love that. Yes. I was just listening to Ask Nick, today's episode on the drive over. You're knee deep in the, her boyfriend won't go down on her.

Well, I'm not knee deep. Advice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you're in the thick of the advice. Well, I'm not knee deep. Advice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you're in the thick of the advice. He is not knee deep. Well, we appreciate you listening and coming on.

Oh, I'm such a fan. How long have you been listening? I have your book. I'm not even kidding. This is like, yeah, you've let a fan in. So I'm not freaky though. No, it's fine.

But no, I've been listening for a while. But she's also super famous on social media and has great pop culture takes which is why we have her on I'm very famous but no your advice

I tell my girlfriends all the time they joke they're like what would Nick say about this I'm like well he'd probably say that this person's just not that into you but it's empowering you're not worried about the niceties and like oh you know he just is busy you're like no i mean you're just telling the truth i love a truth bomb i can't give it to people i'm too i'm a people pleaser i

can't do it so i send them your stuff we we appreciate it i appreciate it and we're super glad to have you we have a lot to get into today we got we got golden bachelor coverage we got some bachelor in paradise even though they kind of mailed in the episode. We'll get to some Beverly Hills Housewives, the dinner party. Denise Richards shows up. And we got squid

game conversations. We have Felicia. Is it player 229? Is she 229? Yeah, I have feelings. I'm going to have to leave the room. No, I'm kidding. But she played it right. 229. Yeah, player 229? Is she 229? Yeah, I have feelings. A lot of people have feelings. I'm going to have to leave the room. No, I'm kidding. But she played it right. I mean,

229. Yeah, player 229. That's my question. Why is that playing it right to send? I mean, because at the end of the day, Yeah, everyone's going home.

There's only one winner. Right. You know, and it's, you have your alliances, you have your friendships, but at the end of the day, Yeah.

The only argument you can make about her not playing her cards right is that like the number one skill set i feel like to do on that game is blending in to not stand out to like try to fly under the radar as long as possible as possible and i think sending home a player like are we spoiling our old man well yeah i mean sorry guys i mean you've had two weeks to catch up so spoiler we're watching

squid games squid squid I said that funny but Felicia is with us to talk about her experience give us a little behind the scenes of squid games talk about her decisions to send home some of the people that got very

she's in a bit of some internet turmoil. So hopefully we'll get to the bottom of it. So much to get into. And then to start things off, I just want you to know that the cardigan I'm wearing right now... Justin Bieber. Justin Bieber.

Loves it. Loves it, yeah. We met Justin Bieber over the weekend, everyone. And it was so iconic. We went to a Christmas party. We have some mutual friends. It was Justin Bieber over the weekend, everyone. And it was so iconic. We went to a Christmas party. We have some mutual friends. It was a small gathering. Oh, intimate.

Well, I don't know. Probably what? 100 people? Yeah, but it was like a small space. There wasn't many places to go. 100 people is not that much for a Christmas party. Yeah. Yeah, who's hosting?

Our friends at OBB Productions. Oh, oh. Mm-hmm. Very, very talented production company company do a lot of great things uh ice baths with kevin hart that's not called ice baths called cold as balls whatever who's in my bathroom with hayley bieber amazing but we were all hanging out and doing a little dancing and then we went to the photo booth and justin saw my cardigan he's like man i really like your cardigan and i'm like thanks and i'm like it's levi's like as if he gave a shit like

you like tell him how much it caught like that's that's my impulse you know he's just trying to be nice but then he was like no i really like your scruff too and i'm like i like yours man it's like women when they have a dress with pockets and they're like and it has pockets i'm a maxidista no i just did a sketch about this we're girls we're gonna need pockets all the time yes we're gonna tell you how much something costs the moment you compliment it yes but i feel like jesse was just being like a a nice person just to like i was in his vicinity so he decided to pay me a compliment and i was like no no it's levi can i tell you where to get it no he's so i wanted to trade him he's like a politician he just like works a room he doesn't i feel like hayley on the other side is very introverted and like more but he's going around he's like how's

that taco is it good all right let's go he's just like talking to everybody super nice makes himself at home yeah we were dancing beside each other and the belly was out and he was like, pregnant women need night outs too. And I was like, yeah, we do. And then when we were going to leave,

we were both kind of like, he was going somewhere. I don't know where, but we were walking out and there was no one else around us. And so I was like, bye, Justin.

And he was like, bye, you guys. And I was like, congratulations on the baby. He gave me a hug. He shook Nick's hand. It was so wholesome and you guys. Like, congratulations on the baby. He gave me a hug. He shook Nick's hand. It was so wholesome and so cute. Wow.

It's really, really awesome. So, Justin, if you want this, again, you can find it at Levi's.com. But also, I'm happy to give it to you. That's huge. He didn't have to say that. He probably really liked your sweater and your belly. It seemed like a genuine compliment. I think he was just being nice.

But also, I think he genuinely and he liked my scruff yeah yeah so the scruff seems to be a real sticking point yeah it was a real real blessing we had a good time do you like having like a sweater that's like holiday ask but not overtly holiday like how do we feel about ugly sweaters love i love an ugly sweater and i love you know to yes like this is just a red fluffy cardigan you can wear it anytime but it is a very bright red it's red is the color of the season i know i so i heard in fashion just in general but forget about the fact that it's christmas time exactly but red is i do feel hard to pull off sometimes like i don't know if i would i couldn't do red often i don't know if I would. I couldn't do red often. And you can't do red either.

No, you're actually like, it's a good. You tried. Good job. No, you're killing the red. I'm thinking like, would my boyfriend wear red? I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. You got to have the right undertones.

Yeah. Or the right scruff. Yes. Right. Kendall Jenner and Bad Bunny were also there. You're kidding. And he did not recognize me from his music video. But I feel like also I had long extensions when I was in his music video and now I'm pregnant. So he was probably like, that's definitely not her. So I didn't say anything. We definitely made eye contact a couple of times and he was like standing alone and Kendall was somewhere and I was like, he looks kind of awkward. Maybe I should just like go over and be like hi you probably don't remember me i was in oh he does lean those music video but i did not and then they left but they look very in love which yeah what was their dynamic i thought

was a whole publicity stunt but like they truly seem they seem very truly in love it's kind of cute wow yeah very cute very cute couple yeah did they strike the balance of being like in love. It's kind of cute. Wow. Very cute. Very cute couple. Yeah. Did they strike the balance of being in love but not PDA over the top? They definitely didn't seem like they were putting on a show of any kind. Again, it was like the fact that we're even talking about it is a little scandalous, but it was an intimate Christmas party in a sense. So there was no performance necessary. They knew they could be free.

They were among friends and they were... They definitely stayed connected. But there wasn't any like. Make out sessions on the dance floor. They just looked like a couple that was very like. Happy to be around each other. That's lovely. Good for them.

Good for them. So. Yeah. Anyways. Well the golden basher has come to an end. But. The scandals. When it comes to Gary seem like

they're just getting started. He picked Teresa. I think the Bachelor producers really fucked over Teresa and Gary. Yeah. Well, hmm. They didn't give us a reason to root for the two of them. Okay, you know, I watched it after the fact knowing

that they were going to pick Teresa because it had already come out in the news. And I then watched it back with new eyes sort of and I could see the moment Gary checked out with Leslie though yeah I just it's just throughout the whole season it was like you always you rooted for like him and Faith and him and Leslie and him and just like everyone else yeah but Teresa. They made Teresa out to be this almost DeLulu person who had an early date and she was obsessed with Gary and Gary was kind of like, you know what? You don't have

to go home yet. Like that's how they positioned her. No, he did give her the last rose every time. It was always she seemed, yeah. He told Faith and Leslie he was in love with them and then it's almost like he is as if he had to tell Teresa. And again, we know this shit can be edited. So if I were Gary and Teresa, I would be frustrated with how they chose to show their love story.

I mean, it kind of goes to show at the end of the day, they're just, you know, it's the drama first and foremost, then the love. Yeah. drama first and foremost, then the love. Yeah. Cause it feels like we almost got it edited from Leslie's POV of like, we saw him say all of these like very big, meaningful statements to her, like not just right before, not just at hometowns or fantasy suites, but like leading up to it, it just felt like it was elevated. So it was like, they really did give us like Leslie's outlook on the whole thing. So I think it was, it felt kind of like whiplash to be like, what happened? I don't know. Okay. Teresa's winning. Right. And with faith too. I mean, that moment he's sitting there with faith in front of her whole family and they're looking

in each other's eyes and like, should we just say it? I love you. And they start kissing in front of everyone. And then you send her home. That was so weird. So question why, like we crucified Clayton for being as messy as he was in the final three, partly which is his I love you proclamations. I love you and it feels so good. He shouts outside of the fantasy suite as she gets into the car. I think it was also him saying, I had sex with all of you. Yeah, there was that. In front of all of you yeah there was that sure but i mean leslie went on and on and on about how

heartbroken she has been and how disrespected she has felt through many of the men that she has dated she had put her trust in gary and like many bachelors before him not all and bachelorette sometimes as my criticism to clayton was, it's not just your journey, it's everyone else's as well. And sure, you can kind of play this game as if your feelings matter more than anyone else's. And part of being the lead, yes, you are required to lead on a little bit, but like no one's telling you to say, I love you to multiple people. No one's telling you to hook up with multiple people behind closed doors. We don't know if that's what happened,

but you are in charge with how much you might lead people on. And some of the leads will fully immerse themselves into that world and be like, hey, I'm The Bachelor. It's my journey. I've been told that I need to compartmentalize each relationship and focus. And that's obviously what the

producers want. The producers want you to fall in love with multiple people because it's messy and it's, you know, just dramatic at the end, but at the cost of really leading some people on, uh, to the point where it's very much easy to argue, like how much is too much. And Gary fully immersed themselves into this role as the bachelor and really led on the last two women for sure. I mean, do you remember back in the day, they weren't even really allowed to say I love you until the last moment. I mean, Desiree, I'm thinking like way back, like it was unwritten. Like, you just don't say it. Yeah.

You don't say it back. And when Ben said it to Jojo, I remember she was like, you're allowed to say that? Like, wait, you can? And now they are. They're all doing it willy nilly yeah and now but it's still like the kind of this taboo thing and yeah but now it's just kind of whatever but

yeah and then this whole Hollywood Reporter article which I feel like is such a hit piece it's so bizarre I think every single season of anything there is an ex who comes out and says hey, and tries to get their 15 minutes of fame. And I think he tried.

His priority was focusing on the death of his wife and not some girl he dated for eight months. Like, sorry, he left that part out. Who the fuck cares? I tend to agree with you, but he he he wanted us to believe that all he was doing since his wife passed was crying, playing pickleball and maybe rubbed one out every now and then. Well, there were there were a few things about it. It was a little the article was a little elitist about how, like, the show built him up to be this restaurateur. And we had other jobs. See the show. That's not Gary's fault.

That's the show. The show always oversimplifies its characters they want to prop them up they want them to seem like the most eligible bachelors and they often take charge of their leads kind of like the story stories yeah and they just kind of tell the leads to kind of run with it so to speak so i don't fault gary for for that you know he is probably stuck between like do i want to talk about like nalia said like a bunch of women i've dated yeah between the time my wife passed and now you know obviously he probably wanted to memorialize his wife i mean there's a chance he talked about it and they cut it out that's true there's a chance the show really was like well i doubt it you think no but what i don't appreciate is the weight shaming comments that were included in like

some of what she released and then when that was brought up to gary to talk about it hold on though but that's one comment if i'm reading it correctly is that she says he picked her up and then pointed at her and said i can't pick you up looking like that which maybe sounds rude in general but is he talking isn't she kind of assuming no he said he's not they were going to go to a reunion i believe it was a school reunion and he said i'm not taking you to the reunion looking like that. Sure. Pointing to her body. Well, pointing at her. Was she wearing like, yeah, like Cookie Monster pajamas? Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, you can't go like this. Where did we assume it was weight? Was it the weight? She said that she had recently gained 10 pounds due to stress. Well, that sounds like she's projecting. Well, I don't know. We don't know for sure. I mean, she didn't.

If she's sensitive about something and then he points at her to Natalie's point, what if she was wearing a Cookie Monster pajamas? Right. It was like and he said, I can't take you looking like that. I mean, it sounds like a rude thing to say in general, but for sure we don't know for sure. And she's not even claiming that he said that he mentioned her weight. So he does sound like a fuck boy in this interview, though. Or is she? But what I'm saying is he had the ability to negate that or give us a different point of

view on that situation. And when they brought that comment up to him, he just said, I don't have time to talk about things like this. Yeah, well, that's his PR team telling him to say that. He did tell, wait, what did he say to Katie Couric? I guess I would have to say I dated a number of women, but then it became an issue of how to define whether you're in a relationship. It is the most fuckboy thing anyone can say. Yeah. What is a relationship?

What's a relationship when you think about it? Right. I think the truth probably is like i also really don't care because i never thought gary was some sort of like the only 70 72 year old or whatever how old he is man who's like truly like walked this pristine life and has always been a gentleman and never offended anyone and like doesn't have skeletons in his closet. So I never assumed that. It is a fall from high up though because he is so wholesome in how he speaks.

He always has the perfect answer. You just can't picture him saying that stuff to a woman. So it for some reason does hit harder. Like him, I don't know, saying anything rude. He's a charmer. I mean, he's a fuck boy. The guy was... like him, I don't know, saying anything rude. He's a charmer. I mean, he's a fuckboy. The guy was, I mean, the body was barely cold before he started dating.

Well, yeah, what was the thing? You can't judge that, though. Not judging it. Everyone copes in different ways. Sure, yeah. That's like. You know what's interesting? It's so fast.

I have a new boyfriend. We're like four months in. He's a widow. He's actually a widower. Widow, widower? Widower. If you're the man. I think widower. But we had a long conversation about it. He has a daughter with his late wife and, you know, his conversation about her passing. They had had conversations knowing she was going to pass and just talking about dating and how, you know, how quick is it okay to date someone? But I do think you're, some people you can get back out there a little bit. Yeah,

maybe you can see. Nick unfortunately would not be able to date anyone. No, not allowed. No, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, same, but I wouldn't want to,

but you wouldn't want to, but definitely would not want to. Yeah, that's the thing, baby. my criticism towards gary moving on so fast is because i couldn't imagine a world in which anyone could do that because how much i love you and like i truly would be distraught and even if i had to grieve like let's say you got sick and were sick for a period of time maybe like his wife wife was, I still wouldn't get over it, even if I could prepare for your passing. So I can't imagine Gary, you know, moving in with someone like she claims so fast. And I'm just, I'm so beside myself with Gary's actions just because of how much I love you and how obsessed I am with you. And so to that end, I think Gary kind of sucks because

well, I can't on that point. I agree. I'm just kidding, Gary. Very congratulations to you and Teresa. I mean, big picture wise, like we enjoyed the Golden Bachelor for its kind of heartwarming nostalgia. And I think it is a beautiful reminder that as you get older in life, it is important to get it back out there and take chances and you can find love. And I think that was the biggest takeaway. And Gary did a good job along with Teresa and the rest of the wonderful women of the season

to show that. And I think big picture wise, that's the big takeaway. Absolutely. But Gary's a fuck boy. Okay. And Susan, his mother mother is what i will susan did you see her at after the final rose like the facial facial expressions like you could just tell that she was like the like beating heart at the center of this cast and like loved all the women so much is so supportive was so like genuine in all of her emotions

she's one of my favorite people to come out of hilarious ever she's so funny that whole montage of her in the guacamole i'm like and she's just laughing with it i mean she's hysterical i guess i know uh who do you want to be the golden bachelorette probably either i mean leslie faith or joan right everyone keeps saying joan is like for especially for someone who didn't go as far. Did you not see her TikTok where she did the whole thing? The leg? Yes. Hot. Is it weird that I was like, wait, I have to watch that back. Are her panties

out every time she does that crossover? It was hot. I know. She's getting a big storyline for someone that did get left early. People love her. And then some people think maybe faith is like you know too busy in wyoming with her horses who do you want leslie i would want faith or leslie yeah i'll take joan you know i mean listen i i think it's very hard to be the lead and given

some of the ages of the possible it's like they really have to be ready to do it so it's i think unlike other seasons where it's like they look at their top three or four and then you know everyone who gets asked would be down i think there's a lot of women who like might not be interested yeah or more importantly just like might not be up for it yeah emotionally i mean hear me out though future seasons they could do a bachelor in paradise golden bachelor edition and they're in like boca yeah i would love to see like a like a community home you know beach resorty pool it's filming in malibu oh that needs to happen absolutely yeah it'd be amazing the activities you know like the programming that exists that like some community like our retirement homes are already like group dates is that would miss, if they just replaced regular Paradise with Golden Paradise,

would anyone miss regular Paradise? No one seems to be watching. I still eat up regular Paradise. Am I the only one? I love it. It hasn't landed for a lot of people this season. Yeah. There is something really, I don't know if you're switching into Paradise yet,

but like chat, I mean, there is just something so frustrating about watching these guys make a connection and be like i think i want to make a connection actually over here with just today it's like nobody wants to just i think kat was called a homie hopper when she wanted to do that but the guys it's no big deal but they look desperate to me they look desperate as hell to me watching them just be like yeah i like tanner connected with rachel i'm gonna go for just it's no big deal. But they look desperate to me. They look desperate as hell to me. Watching them just be like yeah, I like Tanner connected with Rachel. I'm going to go for Jess. It's like you dissed Jess week one. What? It's just giving today's

culture of dating is how it feels when I'm watching it. There's no one I'm rooting for. Yeah. And that's you know, I just there's no I'm not invested in any character to your point. What about Erin? They haven't really shown enough of their relationship to root for it. Yeah. They're really just kind of in the background and it's like oh i forgot they were there and nothing against them like i mean they typically do that with their more stable boring couples like you know iconically like jade and tanner with the first you know married couple from paradise like if you go back and watch their first season they're not on it much because they just kind of slept and cuddled yeah they're stable and yeah but they were both like compelling characters specifically jade was jade was a star on her respective season and like

they just don't have any stars nothing against aaron doesn't have much of a stardom to it and eliza you know for all her wonderful characteristics like isn't a star from their you know they don't do a good job of cultivating their characters and then the ones they do cultivate they kind of scare away you know I heard some tea over the weekend

oh pray tell I heard that you know who was in the running to be the bachelorette while they were choosing between Charity and the rest of their options? Susie. Susie was this close to being asked to be the Bachelorette. Really?

Whoa. She would have been so good. I would love to have a season with Susie. She still could down the road. You never know. As she gets further along, it's harder and harder. Yeah,

it was between, it was down to the wire I heard between Charity and Susie. Why can't they do a season where everyone's in their 30s?

Doesn't have to be 70s, doesn't have to be 20s. I didn't hear about it from Susie, by the way. Heard it from another source. A very reliable source that is connected to the process.

I just want everyone to be in their 30s or 40s. I mean, if they really want people to start getting engaged. Yeah. Like I couldn't even picture that in my 20s. I think the hard part is like, you know, it's harder to find 30 year olds who are willing to do that and still be a little messy. Because it is about. That's a good point. The drama.

Yeah. be a little messy because it is about it's a good point the drama yeah yeah but i do think there is something that doesn't feel as like the engagement portion of it doesn't feel as like like it holds the same kind of weight because it seems like there's just kind of this precedent of people waiting a few years and then it's like see if they break up so it's more of like kind of like a performative engagement ring than it is like an actual like lifelong commitment to marry one another and i think maybe if they were a little bit later in life like because you know some engagements are of course like very serious like i have plenty of friends who got engaged in their like early 20s but i think there's something about

the tv plus the young age that sometimes feels like a little more questionable well they've got to know i mean even like kylie Avon were like, you know, you see previews for next week and she's like, oh, I want to be engaged. I want to be engaged. And Avon's like looking like he's saying that's not even on my radar.

Yeah, it's like we just met. And you tried to make out with Blake when you went home. No, I'm just kidding. No, literally. That was romantic. She's like, no, how am I supposed to do this without you?

I actually think. Nick is like, no, I see nothing wrong with that. And it was the weirdest i didn't say i see nothing wrong with it i just knowing how that show my guess is she my i think blake and rachel mentioned this when she was on here i think blake older been on the show a lot i think he was an advisor for a lot of those people. And I think he was a voice of reason for a lot of the people down there. And I think he was like the dad almost, the big brother. And I think when he went home, I think he was missed. And I think it was more about that. And I think she's a natural flirt. And I think it just kind of comes across as she

kind of wanted to fuck him. But Rachel came here talked all about her relationship with blake and then a couple weeks ago she went to i guess florida and like was on his like putting things on sea turtle and she didn't even go up to say goodbye to blake yes but kylie did and she's like i don't want you to go i think she was just trying to have a TV moment and she doesn't know how to not look like she wants to well I think we've never seen them interact I've never seen them interact on the beach as friends so it just came out of left field

it was like jump scare everyone else down there was like where is Kylie going like why is Kylie going up there producers loved that sound by wait Kylie's Kylie's going out of the car you know Kylie's running away I just think most likely this is a result of clever editing and not showing things and not giving us insight into a relationship that probably existed. More than that.

She had a last minute moment of like, do I want to fuck Blake? No, but she did say, but there's no one else here that you would stay for. It was like Kylie. Like it was definitely like a. Yeah. The energy. The energy was sus. It was sus.

Realistically, at this point in the show, how many weeks left do they have actually on the beach? I mean, usually Paradise is about three and a half weeks. I have no concept of. Yeah. I mean, everyone's saying they're close to the end. So they're Paradise is about three and a half weeks. I have no concept of time. I mean everyone's saying they're close to the end so they're probably this is probably

last week. And with the way they have done episodes it's really kind of hard to gauge like any sort of like timeline because

of there's no rose ceremony. There's no like every episode starts and finishes. Yeah. Like a morning and a rose ceremony

so it's really kind of hard to tell what like week they're in, what quote-unquote week on the show, and how much real time has been. I mean, with the finale next week, presumably that was the last rose ceremony. They don't usually end on a rose ceremony.

It's more just conversations about, can this relationship translate to real life, right? Yeah. None of them are going to translate to real life. Maybe Aaron and Eliza will give it a shot. Yeah, you don't think Kylie and Avon? Like they'll break up? I'm sure they'll start dating.

Yeah. No, I don't. It'll strike me as a relationship I'd really bet on. Yeah, I was happy that Mercedes finally kicked that other guy to the curb. I do feel like, could she date Will? Could we bring Will back into real life? Will. Remember, he was so earnest and like sweet and looking for love seemingly. He left a broken man.

I know. Like this show really did it like two weeks did a number on him or one week, however long. And he's cute. Yeah. Well, it's kind of weird that Tyler was just like, eh. Yeah. Well, it's kind of weird that Tyler was just like, yeah. Yeah. I guess I just always kind of framed it through the lens of I remember when him and Mercedes were first connecting. Tyler mentioned like, oh, well, like even even is my best friend and Kylie's your best friend.

So it's like, oh, like kind of double dating. So I wonder if that was his main motivation for staying in. It was just like it was simple and easy and it meant he just got to like hang out with his friends yeah I think he was one of those people who thought he'd come in and be like the bachelor of paradise so to speak and then

and then he Braden pierced his ears and it was all downhill from there there you go the diamond studs are so atrocious I cannot

and then he was like I'll hang out with Mercedes for a while and then you know it got to the end less interesting he's like I can't do this Braden became kind of like

I don't know he had a redemption arc in my in my mind we love brayden yeah he's fun yeah he was he was regretful of the rachel of leaving when he when he left yeah because that's the thing i mean this clearly is not a serious show and he's the only one who doesn't take it seriously so at least he's like sufferable as opposed to everyone else is like clearly not taking this seriously, but acting like it's the most serious thing. Speaking of, I guess, serious things like Blake and Jess finally pulling the plug. What did y'all make of that? Good for Blake. Yeah.

He's showing his maturity. He's just like, I've been in these type of situations before. She's clearly not that into me. Jess, she seems sweet, but like stop crying because you don't like a guy who likes you and you're not a victim you know i think that's just she's just like a people pleaser and she just but i don't feel sorry for her well i mean i was i was happy she said i'm not really feeling it either she kind of i thought she was going to be upset when he broke it up with her and she was kind of, I thought she was going to be upset when he broke it up with her.

And she was kind of like, yeah. Well, she was kind of upset afterwards, crying in her ITM, sparkling, kind of rejected. Yeah.

But I mean, it was interesting. She said, I just don't know how to end things with people that I date. Did you catch that? And I was like, Ooh, but she's like 23, 22.

She's learning. I like Jess. I do too. Very sweet. I think she is so genuine. I think She's learning. I like Jess. She's so sweet. I think she is so genuine. I think she just wants to make people happy. And I think she always puts everyone else first before herself. And I think that's why she gets emotional.

It's because she's like trying to not do that. Okay. All right. I would like you to apologize to Jess. For what? For all those mean things you just said. What did I say? Jess, I apologize. There we go. I would like you to apologize to Jeff for what? for all those mean things you just said what did I say?

Jess, I apologize there we go do you want to be right? you want to be happy? Nick is growing Nick is growing alright I think it's squid game time you don't want to talk Taylor Swift at Lambeau Field?

I actually want to talk Taylor Swift at Lambeau Field but we have Felicia oh of course, I'm so sorry who's going to be on so we'll get to Taylor Swift at Lambeau Field, but we have Felicia. Oh, of course. I'm so sorry. Who's going to be on. So we'll get to Taylor Swift. Beautiful teaser. Beverly Hills Housewives and all your other pop culture burning topics after we get to some Squid Games.

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Good day. This is my favorite show on television right now. It is so wild, so crazy. I was so excited for it to come out. It did not disappoint. So first of all, just kind of welcome. We're so excited to talk to you. You're our first Squid Games Challenger contestant on our show.

How was the experience overall? Just in general, how did you get on? Were you nervous about going? And then what was your first impressions once you got to shooting the show? Yeah, I literally just saw it as an opportunity in my inbox. And it says that, Hey, would you like to apply for Squid Game The Challenge? And I was like, well, I'm pretty competitive and I want to win $4.56 million. So why not? And so I applied. And then I got a... I did my little video. I got a call back. I think I did it on Tuesday.

And I got a call back on Friday that I did it on Tuesday and I got a call back on Friday. Um, that, that big casting, uh, guys said, you know, he didn't even finish watching it because I was dancing too much. And he was like, I loved it. You're you're in as long as you got a passport. And so, um, yeah, I was like, well, this will be an exciting time. Um, it was going to be shot in London and we were just, I was just so pumped that I could go to London, honestly. No more than that. Really didn't even know if I'd get past the first challenge, which is Red Light, Green Light. But I made it through.

And when I made it through, keep going through challenges, it was more like, okay, maybe I could win. Holy... Yeah, that's crazy. What works some of the... I've been on some reality TV as well. They do some screen testing. I think a lot of people are like kind of fascinated by like, you know, the psychology behind the show. Was it a pretty invasive kind of screen testing? Like, obviously they're like,

Hey, you're in, but when you got there, did you have to do like any psych tests or any, what kind of background checks did you have to do to make sure that you were prepared for this type of intensity? Yeah. They do a social media check. They do, they do some physical, we have to, you know, clear, make sure that we're healthy in order to be on make sure that we are mentally sane, you know,

that we're really not trying to kill contestants off of Squid Game the challenge. But yeah, it's pretty legit going in. And they walk you through the whole thing. It's not like they are just, you know, here you go, you're in. They are definitely behind you every step of the way. At what point? Because I'm watching it. And to me, fairly quickly, I thought, okay, like, you know, they have such a wide range

of people, you know, young, old, all, you know, across the spectrum, personalities, physical, you know, characteristics, some young, you know, D one athletes. Then you had Rick elderly gentlemen, uh, across the board and quickly to me, it was like the number one skill to me to survive this show is the ability to blend in almost to like, to not like, did you pick up on that pretty quickly? And how did like, at what point did you kind of start thinking about what's the strategy that I have to use to get through it?

Because obviously a lot of alliances were made early on, but that, that seemed to be a disadvantage for people because if people started seeing you kind of clumping up, you got a target on your back. How did you kind of play it early on? Yeah, I,

I had no strategy going in but what i did see is that the people that were outspoken um the people that were you know trying to get big groups together those are the people that were actually eliminated i'm just very outgoing um and so it kind of was a little challenging the social aspect of it um to not want to just go and jump in and play a game and get everybody together yeah it was essentially that just lay low don't speak unless you're spoken to um but that also could be a disadvantage in this game too you have to speak to people um as you saw or maybe you've seen like people getting um eliminated because they didn't speak

to somebody yeah some people were like hey i've never spoken to you. Fuck you. You're out. You know, shit like that. That is wild. We've heard rumblings that red line green light, like lasted a lot longer than it seemed like, is that something you are able to talk about? You know, because it really like the one lady who was like squatting for a while. And then it seemed like she, after two minutes, she's like, fuck it. I'm like, I mean, squatting is hard, but come on girl like um it seemed like she was holding that position much

longer than people realized for sure um i can't i just say this if you want to be on split game the challenge season two you just have to find out exactly how long it's going to be but i would say anywhere from 30 minutes to about 10 hours. Okay. 10 hours. I mean, listen, they're making a TV show. I mean, that's just one of those things. You just have to understand that not everything. It was definitely not a, oh, let me squat for two minutes.

It was definitely a lot longer. Which makes it even more impressive just like the red light green light seems so hard easy right well i mean oh the game yeah well the game itself is hard yeah just to like freeze just for a moment because if people twitch they got out but now even if you had to hold that position for two minutes like i'm sorry i'm an itchy guy you know like i i'm an itchy guy they had a strategy of their hands were in their pockets a lot of them did you see that when they would run some people would lay down yeah did you come up with any sort of strategy throughout that i mean i don't know if it really mattered when she ran because we were all talking about what

we were going to do what would be the best thing people were like, I'm going to lay down, but I'm just slow when I getting up in general, even off my couch. So like there would be no way in hell that I would be able to get up in time. Um, but to kind of go back to that comment you made, it was pretty fucking cold that day. And I think it was like the biggest cold front we had or London had. And it was so cold and it was an easy way to keep our hands close to our bodies. And then also just to keep us warm was to keep it there too. So it was, yeah, it was freezing. When people died and they like fell over, it was beautiful. Like I loved it. I loved the, like everyone's playing their part, you know,

how did that come to be? I think, you know, if you're going to get out, you might as well just like, get your shine, get your five minutes. I mean, I mean, I don't know. I think, I think it was announced that you can like act like you were being shot, you know, being traumatic, but definitely wasn't shot. Definitely didn't hurt. I love that people did that, you you know it made it a little bit more yeah you know like sad when people died it like you know and then you could tell some people were

like fuck this i'm just standing here no fun that was me maybe because you were mad how did you die again i forget marbles yeah oh you died oh that's right. Cause Ashley was like, it should be you going forward. Oh yeah. Yeah. Don't get me started. What line were you in when, for the cookie game? Cause I have. Yeah,

I was in star. You were in star the whole time where I'm watching it. I was thinking, I was trying to have like my strategy. And I was like, if I were in the umbrella line and I were, I would, I want to know what you think Felicia of having been there and if this would have worked. But I was thinking who was ever in the umbrella line when they go into that room and everyone's basically trying to bullying the bully them into like staying with their number.

I would have been like, we are all going to die or we play paper, rock, scissors, you know, head to head. And the person who loses two games is umbrella. And that would have been the only fair way. And I feel like that would have worked if you would have said like, because so many players were like, especially towards the end, like what's the most fair way. And people got on board with that. They're not to give too much away, but it was a rule.

And it wasn't just said, you didn't hear on the announcer, but you cannot play a game to make a choice. You have to decide. Okay. Well, that's helpful. They tried the like running thing and it didn't really, I was screaming paper,

rock scissors and no one came up with it. And they were, you know, there were a lot of smart, intelligent people on this show, but that, that, that does make a lot of sense.

I'm sure there also would have been someone who's like, I'm not playing a game to decide this. We're not playing a game. We're just going to just, you know. Who was the girl who was with Dylan in Marbles who was like, we're not. Oh, yeah. She's like, I'm not throwing it. That was stressful. Well, she just wanted to get more game of chance, which was an option.

But you couldn't make up a new game is basically what you're saying. If a game was an option, you could play that game, but you couldn't go rogue. That makes sense. I mean, I wish they would have just announced it. Did the squid game guys, when they spoke to you? The guards? Yeah. This seems like a dumb question, but their voice sounded almost...

Did you hear their voice through their masks or was it like a voice on a speaker? They're definitely paid actors. And I would say, uh, the voice that was, no, it was not their voice.

I kid you. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I feel like there's a stuff that's like fun. It doesn't take away from the amazingness of the show. It was coming through in that real time, for sure. Okay, yeah, that makes sense.

We saw a TikTok of Trey talking about the glass walk or whatever. Glass bridge, yeah. He was saying that they had a stunt double come in and you just had to squat fast and then they replaced you with a stunt double that would fall through yeah that makes sense i wonder they weren't hooked up to anything i'm like dang they really they fucking fell it looked so real like i'm glad they did that because it made the show so much cooler and so much more intense i know that was actually they were pretty high though they were pretty high in there. Yeah. I know Ashley is your friend. What did you think of her stance during Glass Bridge? I said, you better work, girl.

You better work, bitch. You better. You better not let anyone tell you what to do. You are only there for yourself. And people forget this is, like, with game, the challenge. Like, there is not more than one winner. And I'm just like, this is not a team game. Why do people keep thinking this is friends and you know good game friend this is no you're here to play by yourself and i you know that's true she did her thing 100 i'm assuming that's essentially what

you know you'll keep that stance when we're going to talk about you sending rick home oh hell yeah. Have you been getting a lot of shit for that? Oh, fuck. Yes. Yeah. I mean, literally just, I think it was yesterday I just posted a tweet of like a screenshot of people just attacking my business and give me bad, you know, negative reviews. And I'm like, you know, negative reviews. And I'm like, how the, like, this is my livelihood you guys are messing with. Like this is more than a game now.

That's ugly. I hate that. Yeah. And you know, besides me being that I'm apparently racist, I'm sexist. I'm just, you know, all the things. Those are, those are what the nasty trolls are saying that is what yes that's what the trolls are saying i've gotten death threats over this this is not something that oh i just got out of this game people are really attacking me for what

i did to steven and rick which eliminate them because this is wicked i'm sorry you had to deal with that no get me wrong i was salty when you sent my boy home i was like no not the old man but like i i got it you know like it's everyone has to go home you're in it for yourself i mean you have to like and rick for his you know as old as he was and as gentle he was a fucking killer you know and that man was yeah that man was smart i mean Mai you know like if you thought Mai was too old to win clearly you know like she's a fucking killer how she

was able to navigate a target on her back for the last few rounds is really impressive what was your did you think Mai would make it to as far as she did I didn't honestly she was definitely a lay lower. I don't know if that's the word, but she didn't.

She wasn't really a person that was out front and center until, you know, those top nine. And so it was like, whoa, where did she come from? I did see her in the dorm and she was very lovable, very likable. Her and I can't remember her number don't kill me jada jada um we're really close to um very motherly figure just gorgeous spirit but hell she's a beast yeah she is a competitor she's a beast because i was at the end it seemed like everyone thought may was like their ride or die like tj like every time that tj had a chance to like save or help someone he's like may you know like i'm helping her out meanwhile there are three other people

that were like if i get to save someone it's going to be may i'm like she's a fucking killer yeah her and chad yeah it was uh it was wild what were some other just kind of big surprises that you know or any behind the scenes that you're able or allowed to share just like obviously the living conditions seem kind of nuts were you even able to sleep like when it was like 100 some people i would feel very uncomfy being in that size of room with a bunch of strangers like what was that like it was rough i mean i sleep in pitch black darkness and also naked. And so it just, you had to wear your uniform 24 seven. And this, the glowing light from the pig,

the piggy bank was just driving me up the wall. So I was sleep deprived. People are snoring like they're getting the best, you know, eight, 10 hours of their life. And yeah, I just, I did not sleep at all. And that's also why i was just sleep i've sleep deprived emotional we don't know what time we're actually going to bed we don't know what time we're waking up it was it was really rough it felt like a little prison

we didn't see daylight we didn't know what time it was um the food was just god awful um and i'm a big foodie yeah no i was i can relate i was i recently did a show called special forces different but some similarities and the food was brutal i don't know we were in this container pretty much just a incubator but um we didn't have chapstick apparently that was one thing that they forgot or just didn't think about um and so i know that condoms were there was a stock of condoms for whatever reason i mean i just used it as a lube yeah were there hookups no way that's why there's condoms there they probably

just like hey we don't know they're bringing in 400 plus people yeah but on the twin beds with everyone in the room it's an intense atmosphere you're bonding over intense situations there's probably closets and corners like people are gonna fuck who hooked up um

there can only be one winner Squid Games if you're gonna one winner Squid Games if you're gonna fuck at Squid Games you don't get to keep that secret like there's cameras everywhere I don't know for sure if they fucked but I can say that I was in the bathroom when they both

were in the shower and they would be there's a love triangle going on just search the internet and I'm sure you guys can find it Amanda love triangle get on it now google now

that's crazy though that they like had I mean I guess promoting sex was it notable people safety that were like given a story? People that we would know? We're going to find out. No.

Amanda's going to Google. Amanda's typing in words. She's like, who is this love friend? So you guys really never saw sunlight? Like you guys were never taken outside? Nothing like that? No. No.

I mean, a little bit. I guess there would be breaks, but we were in a tent. Like it's... We would go outside to get fresh air, but there was tents. So we couldn't really a tent. Like it's literally, we would go outside to get fresh air, but there's tents. So we couldn't really see daylight. So it was like, okay, well. Wow. Overall, you, uh, sounds like you're glad you did the experience. I'm so happy. I did it. I, a bitch got a tough skin, so I'm,

I'm more than happy even though I cried the entire time. Yeah. I was very happy that I did it for sure. And I'm assuming just like the emotions, just because obviously, and that was another thing, they showed a lot of people crying at times, but can you give some context to just the intensity of the atmosphere and why it was so emotional for people? You're taken away from everything. You know, what you are used to your norm food is huge for me. take it away from everything. You know, what you are used to your norm. Food is huge for me. My family's huge for me. My daughter, she,

I think she just turned one, like one in three months. And so I didn't know if I was missing like her first couple words and just not being, you're not able to talk to anybody except for those people around you. And this, the production team. So you literally don't know. You're 456 people, strangers, or 455. And yeah, you have to get to know these people, which is probably the ultimate challenge versus just the game itself. And you're sleep deprived. You're hungry. And it's emotional.

You don't know if you're going to go home. You want to be there. And it's the biggest prize ever. You don't know if you're going to go home. You want to be there. And it's a huge, the biggest prize ever. But you just know that like, okay, I have to stay because I'm doing it for people that I love for my family. It's one of those catch me too. Those weird things. So like I said, I just want to see my baby. I want to hold him and I want to tell my wife like,

babe I made it to the next round, but we can't share this experience. It's only what you're, you know, what you're doing and who's in there right there. Oh, how long, how long, what you're doing and who's in there right there. Oh, how long, how long ago did you guys finish filming? Like how long did you kind of have to keep the secret that you were on squid game? We, I think we got done, I think it was like roughly around end of February. Um, so yeah, it was, yeah, pretty long, but it's, it's actually pretty short compared to other things that i've

seen um i think like love is blind or something or ultimatum yeah they have a pretty they can take a while yeah it can take a while it's it really you know it's just that's just the production of stuff but did you expect phil to go as far as he did fucking film man he's so sweet um you know i don't i don't know who i guess i expected to go i guess because it's so random right like yeah that's so there's so much luck involved yeah i guess i i definitely saw sam for sure going through because he was me and him were bffs two are there which is funny because you you don't really get to see all the friends forming and the bonds, you know, you get to see like a couple, which, you know, I was friends with a lot of groups and all you see me is with Ashley.

You don't really get to see what Sam and like we bonded and like, he was the one that calmed me down and, uh, uh, Delgada, the cookie. And I was freaking the fuck out. was like oh hell no like we got star like i haven't even practiced star like just and he's calming me down and uh he was my rock in there so um yeah it seemed like with the cookie a lot of people made the mistake of putting their thumb on the cookie instead of the outside of the cookie so if any pressure they applied they would correct the cookie but they just like obviously it was so intense and lasting so long they probably forgot about their thumb

placement because every time someone cracked their cookie it was their thumb they're touching it yeah pushing down that was hard scenes for me to watch all the licking vomiting and the guy who got stuck with umbrella oh i felt so bad the pressure on that guy i really want to find out i don't know if you have any insight uh through ashley the the last the very final stage that led down to the final three where they had to like that was so killer that was such a cool game but and then they had you know the squid game guys walking around in a circle because i really wanted to know was it all intuition or were they i'm like i want to know if they smelled people because like a lot of

you probably had some weird body odors by that time, you know, like, and I'm really curious, cause Phil went two for two and I want to know, like, was it, did he smell people? Could he see through the mask? Was it hearing people? Like I really was curious. Uh, do you have any read on that? If they were, what kind of senses they were using while trying to play that game? have any read on that? If they were, what kind of senses they were using while trying to play that game? All of the above. So yes, people smelled really bad. Um, and yes, they have their own distinct smell, especially if you've been in that group for a little bit, you can be like, okay, that person smells like just, yeah, crazy. But then, uh, but yeah, so you, but it's also instinct, right. And then also, uh, just strategy. Like for instance, Ashley, she's like,

I know I'm not going to put it on the Hallie's desk because she's going to get a thing because we didn't really talk. Right. And I told her, I said, why don't you just put it on Sam's desk? Like he's your BFF. Like you guys are close. Why didn't you just do that? I would have put it on her desk because she wouldn't have stuck a gas. It'd be a me, but you know, she's just, I think she's overthinking it and she doesn't have a poker face um but yeah i'm a hundred percent it's it's all of the above it's strategy it's

you know intuition it's body odor it's everything wow what what a what a cutthroat game uh anyone else have any questions for felicia well i saw on according to the Netflix bio, that you do tarot cards. Is that right? I do. Yes. I'm not a pro, but I'm definitely, I could read something. If you were going to pick a card

that kind of like encompasses the vibe of either your specific experience or just like the Squid Game, the challenge in general, what would you pick? The Fool. Because, which is like, everyone, it's a starting point for everyone's journey, right? Everyone, you don't know where it's going

to take you. And you don't want to be the fool on anything. You don't want to have to like, be the one making the wrong decision. You want to be open to different things. With the fool, you're going through a journey of not knowing and just everything that comes your way, you're just taking for what it is. And I think that's kind of everyone's stance in just this game in general. And I think possibly life too.

You just don't know where you're going to be. That's awesome. Wait, I have a question. Okay, so why Rick? I mean, obviously, I get sending people home, period. But I'm just curious, was there like, was it an alliance thing? Or was it like a strategic Rick and mullet? I can't think of his name. Steve? Stephen. Yeah, Stephen. I'm gonna I'm gonna back up. I'm gonna give you the full story. Because I feel like people are getting like pieces here and I'm just gonna lay

it out on the line here okay so the game prior to me doing jack-of-the-box was worship right but everybody was lining up for tug-of-war and thinking that it was going to be tug-of-war before we even get into our lines in the white room, the game room, people have already picked out who they were going to play with. And there was a few male dominant heavy lines. And then there was also, I think one solid line full of men, right? They are lining up for tug of war. They obviously didn't pick us little women because they thought we were a weakness, right? I mean, I would probably prefer to be on a male dominant line.

But anyway, we all get in there. It's obviously not tug of war. It's worship. But I did Jack in the Box just because I had an opportunity to possibly get an advantage. We haven't seen the advantage the entire time of what that would be. Also too, just in Warships, I was a sitting duck.

I was the first one to get hit. I thought I was out. I thought I was done. And it was just one of those games where you just hope for the best. And so I did, I put my, yeah. And I picked my hands up. I put my hand up to do it

because maybe I could change the game my course of the game like what can I do what I wanted the advantage that's what my mind said I needed I did it I lifted my hand or I got to my box or actually I ended up picking the box at the very end and then I was like no intuition is telling me to go somewhere else. And so I got to the third box. From there, everybody else is getting called. I was like, what the fuck? Like, really? I hate talking in front of people.

One of my biggest fears of like talking in a full room. And so one, I'm crying because I don't want to go home. Two, I'm crying because I have to talk in front of people no matter what. And so I opened my box. And obviously, I know it's not the advantage because the guy who just you know just had it um so I'm like either it's going I'm going home or I have this three elimination I don't want to be the reason why people go home no I don't want to do that but it's the nature of the game so we put it up it's that the three elimination I'm relieved, but then I'm like, Oh shit. Now I've got to have to tell who I need to eliminate. I've gotten so many things like,

why don't you just eliminate one person from, you know, Trey and Leanne group and then one person from Rick and Steven. And then I'm like, well, you can't just take out one. You have to take out both. They both were leaders, right? Both groups. Steven and Rick. Steven is like, they call him Quadzilla, right? His ass is absolutely ridiculous.

He plays rugby. He's super strong. Like, come on. Plus, if you would have taken out Rick, he would have eliminated you. You would have had a bigger target on your back. That's a good point. Because then Steven eliminates her. Yeah.

Right. And then Rick, why? So in the dorms and how it works, it's like the easiest game of telephone you can ever play because once you say one thing, it's all over within like 30 minutes. But it was getting back to us that, hey, he's super wise.

He can play every game well. he knows he's practiced Delgado, the umbrella umbrella for like, he knows how to master it. He plays marbles. We obviously saw how that went. So he plays every game. He knows how to play it. And really well, super wise guy. And I just saw, mind you, you can't really see this shot, but it looks like we're kind of looking from afar. My bed was actually right next to where the Gamboog gang used to hang out. And I would see

this group just form and get bigger and bigger and bigger every single day. So, and I saw who was running and who was the leader. And it was definitely Rick and definitely Steven. Just as much as they're lovable outside the game, that's how they were inside the game. People gravitated towards those two, especially Rick because of his age and how smart he was. So I, yeah. Took him out by his knees.

That makes sense. Yeah. Also, I thought it was really smart. You eliminated the guy that got the advantage. That would have never even crossed my mind. That was genius. It's like, all right, boom, you're dead. He's so happy for one minute.

Yeah, it didn't cross my mind either until I was like, who the hell is the third person? They actually switched that around backwards. So I actually said the elimination, I think, last and they kind of made it to where I said it first. So you sent Scott and Rick home

first and then you were like hey I don't know who my third person is fuck it I'll just send home the guy who just got an advantage that makes total sense but yeah it was I mean I yeah it was strategy I don't know I feel like it was the most

simplest I guess reasoning because we just literally It was strategy. I feel like it was the most simplest, I guess, um, reasoning because we just literally, I thought it was going to be a physical game and I'm not about to let this guy just beat me because he has quads of a freaking angel. Like I'm not like, you did the right thing. I got one final question.

Trey and Leanne, uh, too close to mommy or a healthy relationship because to me i'm watching it and like listen i love my mom as much as the next person like super close relationship with my mom but make a friend you know like they were about to have a picnic and i and i was screaming at him i'm like someone else have a picnic with someone else and i was like you fucking deserve to go head to head with your mom. It's just like,

and then, and his mom, I loved her. She was a killer, man. She would have never gone out. Like she, like her son did.

He panicked on the, like, I know like versus Ashley, like hold your own dude. Like he was just like, he didn't have mommy there to hit. Mom would have never have done that. She never would have done that. Mom would

have not. Leanne is 100% a beast. I think he just traded his lost side of what the goal was or like, I don't know. I have no clue what happened. I think he just more like the game got to him and then he just went

for it. Yeah yeah i don't know leanne is a sweetheart trade's a sweetheart but i leanne and trey they were close but they would be like together all the time right like you see them together all the time so that's what you know we want to be shown but they were also out you know meeting different people and talking to different people. I think Leanne has also other children and, um, I think Trey is definitely the more competitive one. Um, and everybody else is just, uh, kind of more chill. And so that's why Leanne was there because Trey made Leanne actually. Oh, okay. Well, that's good to know. Cause it seemed like,

Trey needed mommy all the time. That's a bad Pete for him a little bit. and actually do it. Okay. Well, that's good to know because it seemed like Trey needed mommy all the time. That's a bad Pete for him a little bit. I don't know. But thank you for clearing the air there. Thank you so much for your time.

We really appreciate it. Tons of fun. And I'm sorry you're going through any of that internet bullying. That's bullshit. Leave her alone. Leave everyone alone. I mean, you know,

interact with them if you want, ask them questions, but chill the fuck out, man. It literally is just a game. Uh, can you please let my audience know where they can find you, you know,

plug all your, your stuff that you're doing? Yeah. Um, I have a podcast called the paranoid sisters and you can find us on any platform that you get your podcast. Also, you can find me on Instagram at Alicia, P P-H-A-L-I-S-I-A,

or Twitter, P-H-A-L-I-S-I-A 2. And yeah. Felicia, we appreciate it so much. Congratulations on making it as far as you did. It was a lot of fun to watch you and the rest of your cast. We really appreciate it. And good luck in the future. Thank you so much. Appreciate

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I weirdly feel like Phil's going to win. Fucking Phil. I just feel like he's... He's too happy for me. He was really confident at the gift giving. There's something about him that makes me feel like he'll just win underdog energy he might i hope it's may yeah i really want to be may phil i'm just sam is the third right yeah i like sam we don't know much about phil yet they haven't really told us his backstory have they a little bit he was like kind of talked about he was bullied

a lot that's right yeah younger and then he moved and he decided to just be happy about fucking everything you know seems like a sweet guy yeah my has definitely the more like the story i just like she's a fucking killer she is what are you looking at babe oh i was just reading that courtney kardashian ingests her juicy placenta pills after her son's birth oh what does that mean well she put her placenta into pills and she takes them now oh my is that a thing yeah it is a thing i can't even drink a green juice so i will not be um and is that proven science or is that an la no it is definitely there is no no no it's true I mean like there's so much nutrients

in your placenta I mean it obviously is like what is well can't you just put it into a pill and yeah that's what they do swallow it

put it in capsules but you can't do that I don't think I could take I don't think I could swallow like my organ every day they say

could I would it be beneficial for me I don't know they say it helps with postpartum depression, I think. But I've heard that

the most nutrient benefit way to do it is to put it in a smoothie. Like to actually eat it and not have it in the pill. Thank you. Again, I cannot even drink

a green juice. Well, let's just put it on the table and literally. He starts putting it in your dinner every night. Slowly. You start feeding me my own placenta. Like Sweeney Todd.

No, you're like, I'm trying this new dish tonight. You'll really love it. Gross. Wow. Now I'm just reading all about placenta. Taylor, we were going to go to the. No, it's your fault. Oh boy. Oh, boy.

Hash it out. We got the lake. The lake house is about 40 minutes away from Green Bay, Wisconsin. You have to fly into Green Bay. Okay, I'm putting it together. And we've been talking about maybe trying to go up one more time before we don't travel anymore. TBD. And the lake is frozen over now, so it's like slightly less charming.

And then last night night we're watching the game taylor swift flies in a lambo chiefs versus packers my beloved packers it felt weird rooting against taylor's best interest but i think she understands and then also now he wasn't like i would have loved to go into the game and i'm like you it's 20 degrees outside i i remember vividly nally at some point being i'd love to go to a game I will never stand out in the freezing cold but last night Natalie was like we should have gone babe it was so much fun

and I was I like I think it's fun to like go to the cold games and figure out how what you need to wear yeah Nick literally comes out before the game even starts with 14 jackets on he's like this is what I would have worn to the game

yeah he's like breaking down why he chose each piece I'm like literally the game is about to begin

like what are you doing get ready with me video imagine Natalie I'm gonna hold you to it Natalie wants to go to a cold weather Packer game no I wanted to go

be in the same vicinity as Miss Tay and the Packers it was a great game Packer game. No, I wanted to go be in the same vicinity as Miss Tay. And the Packers, it was a great game. Packers won. It was so good. And yeah,

would have loved to gone, but Nick didn't care enough to take me. What is this? Brittany Mahomes shows off giant Christmas decorations? At her house, I would assume. At her house? Is this like on the grant?

I love a Christmas decorator. Okay. but are we not going to talk about the fact that they were together and holding hands and holding arms and being very cutesy together even despite britney skim's campaign that's true and i did hear i believe a love you when they were departing between Miss Brittany and Miss Tay. Well, like I said a few weeks ago, I mean, it's highly likely she did the campaign prior to their friendship. And two, maybe and probably Taylor just isn't that petty. And maybe there was a conversation and maybe it was nothing. Maybe Taylor is just like i just i don't care i'm over it like obviously she didn't have any malicious malicious intentions

britney you know she got her bag and like it's clearly not something i think we we i think we should look at this and recognize that maybe taylor has like moved on from that drama that she had with kim and kanye and maybe they're had with Kim and Kanye and maybe they're not like having dinner parties and maybe they're not besties but maybe they have moved on and I do think fans need to pay attention to shit like that because fans will hold on to grudges much much longer than the celebrities that they're like you know stumping for and it's just like you know you're you're fighting a battle that your your celebrity that you're advocating for isn't even fighting so maybe let's not internet bully britney mahomes because

you think you're defending taylor swift right like the degrees of separation are getting too much for of like something that's already kind of dead like this is not like a scooter brawn situation where you could feel like the beef is more fresh and active. This is like, this is old beef. It's dried. It's not that big of a deal. Housewives. Housewives.

Housewives. The dinner party. This was, this was a good one. It was a great episode. We also have, we have Crystal Minkoff this week going deeper

from Beverly Hills Housewives to get more insight on, well, Crystal in general, but the season of Housewives and the dinner party. off this week going deeper from beverly hills housewives to get more insight on well crystal in general but this season of housewives and the dinner party no she's exciting especially because i mean you watch this episode she does play a role in like the drama and the conversations but this is like an iconic episode for two reasons one it's like a pantheon episode so they're bringing back like old housewives and have some kind of iconic tie to like the ones currently on the show. And then two, it's a weed dinner. So they're all having like different dishes with different levels of doses. It killed me when they went through and gave the dose for each one of them. And some of them are like, one milligram. And I'm like, that's not going to do shit. And that's allowed, but also that is not going to do shit.

Do you thinkise was already taking edible before she got there i or was it alcohol i feel like she wasn't that intoxicated like i think the cameras are just capitalizing on the fact that she's like there because when they shot this episode like way back when someone had like zoomed into like a photo that i think garcelle posted and saw her like dinner card on the table. So people knew that she was going to be there. So I think they're just like, might as well show her. Also because her faces are like.

Yeah, her facial expressions are. She seems like she's so fucked up. Yeah. Yeah. And can you break down for our audience the Faye and Camille drama? Honestly, I don't know too much about the earlier Housewives. I think... Because they seem to really fucking hate each other.

Yeah, Faye got up and moved when she realized she was across from Camille. I don't know. I don't remember what happened either. Camille and Faye are OG Housewives.

They're from the first season. From Beth Hill? Yeah. Wait, Faye who? Resnick. She was never a Housewife. Faye Resnick. Why do I know that name?

She was in... Wait, right? I think she was the first season. Camille was, for sure. No, I don't think Faye was on the first season. She might just be a friend. I think F... Wait, right? I think she was the first season. Camille was, for sure. No, I don't think Faye was on the first season. She might just be a friend of the... I think Faye was a friend of...

Okay, she might just be a friend. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like a longtime player in the... She was involved in... But Allie can tell us. Isn't she... She was involved with the O.J. Simpson murder trial. What?

Yeah. Faye Resnick was? Yeah. In what capacity? Like, did she like throw away the sheets? I don't know that much about the OJ Simpson murder

which I feel like is maybe a real blind spot because she was friends with Nicole with Nicole Brown Simpson so definitely did not throw away the sheets anyway

so she's she's been in the limelight for some time and Madeline you said you did a movie with Denise Richards? I did she played my mom isn't that fun? she was so sweet she was so cool She's been in the limelight for some time. And Madeline, you said you did a movie with Denise Richards? I did.

She played my mom. Isn't that fun? She was so sweet. She was so cool. We drank tequila together. She was awesome. What was the movie? It's this cute little movie.

It was called Switched. It was very Freaky Friday, where I switch places with the less cool girl, and then we learn a lot about each other. It's a heartwarming story. But Denise was great. And she had just signed on to do Housewives at that time. This was back in like 2019. And we were filming in Kentucky. And I mean, she was she was loving it.

She was like, I love being on the show. It's so fun. But this was kind of before the next season when everyone kind of came down on her. But no, she was lovely. And she was she was a blast. She gave me some fun insider scoop that i probably shouldn't share but but she but you are here yeah no just about like her first season and people you know to look out for and and this and that but who did she say to look out for

no one no just just she was like you know certain people I don't trust, I guess, yet. She was getting her feet wet with it. Do you ever remember a time where Sutton admitted she was wrong? Justin? Because it sure seems like she is never wrong. I don't think she admits she's wrong. Like, ever. But she's never really lying about anything. No, but like...

It's always an excuse. Like the American ballet. It's never, I'm about anything. No, but like, like it's always an excuse. Like the American ballet, like it's never, I'm wrong. It's, there was a reason. Or like her, her acting out had to do with like when she was telling Kyle about her ex-husband,

who she's no longer married to, who's moving. And now she gets full custody of her kid and more money. And it was positioning it as something that kyle is supposed to empathize with her i found that intriguing yeah were you fully on kind of like kyle's viewpoint of like 100 team kyle there yeah it was interesting because i kind of jumped into this episode after i've started like season one like way way back and then jumped in here and so i don't have all of like the set in context it seems like she maybe does this a lot,

whereas like I could kind of see how, even if it's, you know, it's going to be good stuff being like up in the air with custody stuff could be just inherently stressful, but it really did seem overwhelmingly positive. So it seemed like she was just kind of like looking for, like trying to weaponize being offended about something to throw back at Kyle.

And other than the fact that it's just housewives, and I guess it's what they do, like, why are all these women entitled to get an update on Kyle Richards' marriage? I think what it is, is like, I put one of the notes in there. Garcelle had mentioned that she had a conversation off camera with Kyle in Vegas. So like kind of around the magic might kind of be asked. And she was asking about the ring and the divorce. So I think it's a conversation that people know of. But then at least Kyle wasn't going to be the one to bring it up. Or maybe there was some pressure like, oh, am I going to be the one to out the affair?

If there's an affair or say that there's some kind of like struggles in marriage because that's kind of what the housewives is it's like everybody knows something's going on and it's whether you want to say it in front of the cameras so we started watching salt lake last night so that intro is iconic is it so good they're saying them like mormon verses and it's like slow motion oh but you start season four and it's like immediately, it's like the FBI seems to be like raiding Heather's house. Oh, it was the producers. The camera men for the show.

They give a vibe that it's like they're being raided or like she's on a call. She's like, get out, get out. Yeah. I met Heather the other night. Yeah. We talked on the phone. Okay. I talked on the phone. I talked on the phone.

She gave me her number. We talked on the phone. We got some tea. Are you going to share? Not yet. Just know it exists. We'll circle back. We'll circle back. Yeah, Utah is...

So, Mary is... Walk me through her married to her grandpa is this like a blood thing because they have a kid together it's like what is going on so a way to think of it is like and this is a good detail is the show was originally supposed to be just about mary and like her cult because she she is from a bloodline of like some kind of religious in quotation marks cult and basically her grandmother was honored or viewed as like some kind of reincarnation of mary like the mary um and her grandmother when she passed away blessed mother mary yes jesus's mom okay so then like her followers would like basically trust anything she said.

Oh my. So then when the grandmother passed away she promised the marriage of one of her granddaughters to her husband at the time which was like

a second husband. And again like her biological grandfather. Not biological. Her second husband. Her second husband. Oh step grandfather. So it's not as bad

but basically Mary was the granddaughter to follow through and she married the step-grandfather, had a kid with him, and basically now she's the new

leader of the cult. How old was she when she had that kid? Because her kid's like 20-something. Yeah, I'm not sure. Well, she's older too. Yeah.

That's so freaky. That's like Woody Allen. He married, you know, his step-daughter. Hmm? Yuck. Yuck. Yeah. Big yuck yuck big yuck Mary's good TV too though she is

great TV I told Nick the last time that I watched Salt Lake was when she was I don't remember who she was telling it to but the biggest drama was that she told someone they smelled like a hospital that was the first season yeah it was Jen Shaw the one that got arrested.

Jen Shaw, yeah. She was so offended. She was like, how fucking dare you say I smell like a hospital? And that was like the biggest drama. That is a very specific insult. Truly. And honestly, disrespectful. It cuts.

A little bit, yeah. No, for sure. Which is your favorite city of Housewives? I love Beverly Hills. But Justin says Salt Lake is like the best. I think you'll be converted because Beverly Hills is my favorite. And then I was telling Nick this,

Salt Lake City editing is like dramatic. Like they're not afraid to use the sound bites, the sound effects, like the fade to blacks. Like it's just, it's a whole new level. I like Beverly Hills, Housewives just of the nostalgia,

the OG of it, the Beverly Hills. Yeah, the proximity. We're in LA. You know, you got in just like previous characters, Denise Richards, Kathy Hilton, Kyle Richards, you know, like just iconic, like names that you know outside of Housewives,

you know, where a lot of the Housewives, you learn about them through Housewives and there's a, it seems like a different level of prestige. Kathy Hilton shares why Kyle and Mauricio won't reconcile. What did she say?

Oh yeah. She said if my sister's gone this long with really like taking it this far she's serious about it. Because she asked

do you think they'll get back together? And so no she thinks. That's so sad. I know. Mine so sad. Mm. I know. Mine is sad.

Why can't they... Why don't they just take a... Take a break? Yeah. I'm not one for breaks, but... But, I mean, after being married for 20-something years, it wouldn't hurt. And as for her marriage advice, she added, I would say open communication and never take anyone for granted. Okay.

Thanks, Kathy. Ariana maddox and katie malone faced backlash from fans earlier this week after taking to their instagram accounts to promote knew something about her what did they what did they do wrong yeah why was there backlash i think it's just because she's the queen of like monetization monetize i can't even say the word she's the queen of ads yes yeah so like like people are done with her monetizing this like it just well also because they're advertising socks for her business alongside this book being released but for like the socks it's for their restaurant that hasn't opened yet oh yeah they haven't had the place isn't even selling yeah exactly so they're

like well that's interesting i mean but it was supposedly for a good cause. It was like they were combining their proceeds or all the proceeds were being donated. I believe it was for youth homelessness. Yeah. So what's there to hate on that? Yeah, I don't understand. Why are we mad?

It's just like it was okay for her to monetize it before, but there's some sort of statue of limitations. When's the statue of limitations? Mark my words, everyone's going to hate Ariana this season and develop a soft spot for Tom. And Ariana responded back to that comment and said certainly wouldn't be surprised if the audience swings that way.

Yeah, that's just reality TV. We've talked about that. Ooh, you live long enough to be the villain, right? Yeah. Yeah. Did you see Raquel? Sorry, Rachel.

New podcast dropping. Yeah, she teased it before. It'll come out with a bang. And it's called Rachel Goes Rogue, which is honestly a great podcast title. Sure. I thought it was going to be called The Other Woman.

Oh, that's funny. Other Women. That could have been good. Yeah. Rachel Goes Rogue. It'll come out with a bang knowing i heart they'll probably bleed it out for a first episode will be 15 episodes long and then she'll bring on i guess experts around affairs and oh that'd be cool if she brought on tom. Yeah, they do a Potswap. Imagine. I don't think they're talking much, but it'll be popular for like two months.

Yeah, and Bethany's going to be involved in production. I'm sure she will. Yeah. I am curious to see how and what direction that goes. It'll start high and slowly go down. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of their playbook. They like to sign a scandal and kind of keep it going as long as people will pay attention to it. I worked for Tom and Tom.

I worked for the Toms at the Tom Tom. Really? Yeah. You worked at Tom Tom's? I worked at Tom Tom for about three weeks before they opened. And then I stopped working there. What was that experience like? I'd gotten hired as a waitress and they had asked if I would be, I have to like go re-interview on

camera because they wanted everyone to kind of be involved on camera. And actually, if you watch closely, there was a scene of James Kennedy like walking through all upset and I'm sitting there interviewing with the Toms. But I got hired and I had a following on Instagram and I was working a daily mail party and Teddy Mellencamp said, oh, I follow you. I think you're really funny. And then she told Sheena about me. Sheena was so sweet. She tipped me like $20 and nobody was, this was like a non-paid event. So they just, she just went out of her way to tip me, which I always thought was sweet. And then the next day at training, Lisa Vanderpump came up to me and she said, darling, oh, cause it got back to Pandora

too, who got back to Lisa. And she said, said darling my daughter says you have a following and we're looking to like have new people on the show basically for next season this was when they were getting new cast like for Vanderpump yeah and you know is that she didn't say here's a position she just said is that something you'd potentially be interested I could introduce you to the one of our Bravo producers but I was just like I mean it was very interesting but I was like I think my life's pretty boring I don't think they would but they wanted I think to create like some new buzz how long ago was this 20 2018 yeah when they had just hired I think they had just gotten like Max who was literally my boss and then I I worked one

night serving like Lisa and a bunch of people and it Lisa came up to me and she said have you ever served before and I was like I don't think I should work here anymore and so I left and they tried to get me to stay and at least stay as like a hostess I think they really wanted me to potentially do the show or something was that was that your first no I had served so many jobs oh no oh I don't think this is a good environment I worked like sports bars and stuff, no. Oh, I don't think this is a good environment. I worked like sports bars and stuff. So I was just like, I don't think this is a good fit. But was that was that like, did you feel like Lisa was almost like saying a line?

Almost if she was like on TV and kind of doing her Lisa Vanderpump kind of like. I mean, they take their restaurants really seriously. Like Pandora was heavily involved in the production of the restaurant itself. No cameras. The Tms would kind of come in when there were cameras they were nice guys but but yeah so i think they just took it really seriously so they wanted it to feel really fine dining and i don't think i maybe gave off fine dining for her it didn't feel like a line because there were no cameras but you could have been a part of scandival i know i do feel like the new people that came on kind

of crashed and burned like are they still on the show besides Raquel Rachel Rachel is not yeah well it was it was people from I don't even know their names it's like Max Jim talking about was that era this was 2018 2019 yeah there's a lot of people who came and went yeah but yeah was it it was very crazy when she comes up to you and, you know, they're kind of dangling that idea. Yeah. Max, Brett, Beau, Dana. And then Charlie also kind of appeared around that time, but had a lot more staying power. Right. They brought all those people in. Yeah. Those people weren't working there.

Could have been. What was your read on the Toms? They seemed, schwartz was super nice like whenever because i had worked in service for years and we would they would come into restaurants we would see them around and you know they're always very friendly like let us buy you a shot or um i saw schwartz more than sandoval but i yeah at that time but they were really nice guys i mean you just see them briefly well I thought when I was on your Instagram like looking at some of your content there were like

I'm gonna butcher this what is it like yes I'm a girl or oh yeah we're girls yeah we're girls like there were some things that were so niche and specific I was really really impressed like was there were there a few things that you realized were universal that kind of like inspired you to make that like things that you might have thought were just like individual experiences where then you were like oh wait other people oh yeah i'm curious did you i mean was there one that resonated with you that you were like oh that one specifically hit i remember i have to find the video because there i was just like yes yes yes yes i made a list i mean it's you know it's always such little things like we're going to love pockets. We're going to like see that your ex-girlfriend went to Costa Rica with her new husband on vacation last year. Like we're going to be in the CIA. We're going to know everything you're up to. But yeah, I mean, it obviously resonated. It took off and it's been really fun for sure. that's awesome yeah alright well that about wraps it up Madeline thanks so much

for joining thanks so much for having me it was a blast can you please let my audience know where to find you

follow you all the great things that you're putting out into the world yes find me follow me at Madeline Byrne so many E's in that

do you want me to spell it please M-A-D-E-L-E-I-N-E B-Y-R-N-E-E. On pretty much everything. TikTok, Instagram. Everything. Yep.

Love that. Well, thanks for listening, guys. Don't forget to send in those questions at asknickatthevilefiles.com for all things Ask Nick, texting, office hours. As Madeline so graciously reminded you, we have our Ask Nick's every Monday.

If you love people's relationships, stories, and a bit of advice here or there, Monday's episode is titled, Why Won't He Go Down On Me? If that resonates with you, tune on in. And on Thursday, we have the one, the only, Crystal Minkoff from Beverly Hills Housewives to give us a little behind-the-scenes from the dinner party from hell and just really kind of get to give us a little behind the scenes from the dinner party from hell and just really

kind of get to know Crystal a little bit more. She's more of a soft-spoken housewife, but I have a feeling she might have a lot to say. She'll be with us on Thursday. Don't forget to tune in to that. Okay. See you on Thursday.

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