The Viall Files - E677 Going Deeper with Crystal Kung Minkoff Plus Taylor on TIME, RHOSLC, and TJ and Amy’s Exes in Love

Episode Date: December 7, 2023

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Going Deeper Edition! First, the household gets together to discuss some recent headlines and experiences - like Natalie and Nick’s sleep habits during her pregnancy, Taylor Swift being TIME’s person of the year, Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, and TJ and Amy’s exes falling in love. Then, we are joined by The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills’ Crystal Kung Minkoff to talk about her time on the show, the infamous dinner party and if Denise was as intoxicated as she appeared, what she thinks of her other co-stars, allegations of her being rude, and her many businesses. We also have a Sweating The Wedding caller who is going to be in a bridal party with her ex-friend. Does she address their friendship breakup before the wedding in order to make the day less stressful?  “At the end of the day, we all want a successful show.”  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Manscaped - Get 20% Off and Free Shipping with the code VIALL at https://www.Manscaped.com  Vessi Footwear - If you have a trip coming up and need the perfect travel shoe, go to https://www.vessi.com/VIALL and get 15% off your first order. Beam Organics - If you want to try Beam’s best-selling Dream Powder, take advantage of their biggest sale of the year and get up to 50% off for a limited time when you go to https://www.shopbeam.com/VIALL - the discount is auto-applied at checkout, no code necessary. Paired - Whether you’re just a few dates in or have been together a long time, it’s time to lighten the mood and have fun with your partner by using Paired. Head to https://www.PAIRED.COM/VIALL to get a 7-day free trial and 25% off if you sign up for a subscription. Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @crystalkungminkoff @alison.vandam @liffordthebigreddog @dereklanerussell 

what's going on everybody welcome back to another episode of the vile foul going deeper edition i'm your host nick joined by the household we got justin here in studio ally is abroad somewhere in the midwest is abroad actually international or something i don't know yes not in studio and then our pop correspondent, my lovely fiance, the one, the only, Natalie Joy. Ah, the crowd goes crazy. Hey, baby, how you doing? Hi, I am so tired. How'd you sleep last night, you little bitch?

So, so, so well. Now I know, because you snorted my ear all night long while I was awake and our daughter was having a Zumba boxing class in my stomach. That would suck. Yeah, it definitely was not great. It's like she's really kicking these days. Like you can see it. That's all. That's wild. It's not even just like kicks. It's she moves and it's all she's there's nothing like dainty and light about her movements they're all aggressive and they're all like super fucking strong and for what i was feeling it and it i mean she kicks hard i don't i don't know if it's a kick or a punch or a headbutt can you tell whether it's like the hand or like

the foot or if she's like rolling around like sometimes if i push on it, I can kind of figure it out. But no, it's hard when you don't know what position they're in. But yeah. Thank you for letting me sleep. No, of course. Yeah, I tried to wake you up a couple of times. You did. But you absolutely wanted nothing to do with it. What do you mean you tried?

Like, what'd you do? Well, first of all, you were snoring so loud. So I tried. I was like, neck and up. And you were like oh sorry and then you just turned over and you fell back asleep and then you woke up and i was laying there with my eyes wide open and i was like oh my gosh he's about to be awake with me and you're like do you have anything to drink on that side i was like oh yes let me get you some water so you can rock yourself back to bed. I remember that.

Yeah. And then you woke up at like, what, 630 to take the dogs out? And it woke me up and I was like, I literally just fell asleep an hour ago. She's running out of room. She is running out of room. So, but, you know, what are you going to do? What can I do better? Could you take her for just like a moment?

Wouldn't that, you think that's in the future, maybe? Probably. I don't know how it would work. I think what Nick should do is like the pregnancy, like belly thing. Oh, 100%. I will be strapping a watermelon with saran wrap to his body and we'll make him put on socks, tie his shoes, get up from anywhere that's low. But I'm not in any way suggesting you're not at a major disadvantage.

Like, I've never once said, move faster. Or like, why is this a struggle? Like, I don't know. What could I do? Yeah, that's true. You just want me to suffer? I just want you to be able to, in the smallest way, relate. How might I be able to do that?

I think I'm going to have to saran wrap a watermelon to your stomach. Has this been done? Yeah. Is this a thing? Yes. Right? Yeah. Also, has he done the belly lift from the back to help you?

No. And have it not be as heavy? I feel like she honestly doesn't and i might have this backwards it's is it boys that sit low and girls are all around is that like the there's like some way i think i think she doesn't sit low enough and so it like doesn't there's not much for him to also you still have a chunk of time where she's gonna keep getting bigger so maybe it'll happen that's a concern you know we still have a bit to go no i know i know i'm aware she gives the impression that she's ready oh yeah she definitely because the belly button hasn't popped yet right so we still have a ways to go. No. It's like. It's out. It's like, yeah.

It's not. I was nervous that it was going to pop out and be like two inches long. And it's not two inches long. Thank God. Because that would have been really scary. But it's like definitely more of an outie now. It's immersed. I can see in my belly button, which I never could see before.

There you go. Yeah. But now I'm like, oh, there's that paperclip. Well, I'm sorry you're going through this. I really am. Thank you. We do have an amazing episode lined up for you. We have the one, the only Crystal Minkoff with us today from the real housewives of Beverly Hills.

It was so nice. I feel like we got to know. She's so just quiet on this. She's so laid back and just reserved on the show. And I feel like we really got to see a side of her that is fun. She's a classy lady. She's a classy lady. We really tried to unclass her.

Jerk her chains. Yeah. We tried to push and prod and pull. And I feel like we did a classy lady. We really tried to unclass her. Jerk her chains. Yeah. We tried to push and prod and pull. And I feel like we did a good job. I would agree. Yeah. But it was a great episode. I can't wait for you guys to hear it.

Before we get to Crystal, congratulations, Taylor Swift, for being Time Magazine's Person of the Year. How familiar are you all with Time Magazine's Person of the Year? Not familiar. Well, you know who has also received it you know well i mean it what what's fascinating about this particular article is that person of the year it's like well well i think i think hitler that's what i was gonna say was that's the only one of the year. And Donald Trump in 2016 was person of the year. And for some people, some people quite love Donald Trump. Others people feel very differently about him and quite despise him. It's just a really interesting award because it's not always, it's given to people like

Taylor sometimes where it's, you're just kind of celebrating who she is. And at other times they're just kind of highlighting the person of the year who's like just had and a big impact on the world and i think it's more about impact not sometimes good and sometimes bad it's just a really fascinating accomplishment just because of the the spectrum of people who have won person of the year. Yeah. I wonder what the photo shoot set was like when they had Hitler do

the cover. I don't know if they did it back then. I remember, I can picture it. It wasn't like, it was like an art piece because I think it was

back in the day when they were like, you didn't have to have a photo of the figure, you know, it was just kind of like the idea, the concept of.

But at times, it's been very polarizing people. And person of. But at times it's been very polarizing people. And person of the year at times didn't always come with like the most respected or the most revered or most likable. It was just, they had a big impact on the world. And that's what made them personal,

you know, and sometimes negatively. In Taylor's case, positive, a positive person this year. And I'm grateful because we live in a time where the world is chaotic and messy. And I think, I do think we take for granted just recognizing the pleasantries in this world. And I know every time, you know, it's like, sometimes people will make you feel guilty about that. You know, you, you, you know, we talk about pop culture and reality TV and every once

in a while, though, you know, people want you to always recognize the horrific horrors of this world. And that is important, you know, but sometimes, sometimes we just need to be happy. You know, we need to celebrate the, the joys of this world and the things that we root for and, and the things we aspire to and the things that make us smile and Taylor and all those things. So congratulations Taylor on bringing us joy

this 2020. The runner ups for this year was Barbie and King Charles III. So I mean at least Barbie that says a lot that she won against Barbie. And King Charles III. Again goes to show like the the decision making yeah you know very different king charles the third question on barbie how like margot robbie

or like the character i think it's like the character like barbie okay barbie so it would have just been like a doll on the cover yes i guess and then and my guess is because of the impact barbie played on the role of i guess women and how how she connected with the plight of women and it's like multi-generational like there's different levels to that interesting taylor connected the multiple generations of all genders and all countries everything was it in this article where she talked about her relationship with uh kanye and kim um so yeah she had this big interview with time obviously um she says i've been raised up and down the flagpole of public opinion so many times in the last 20 years i've been given a tiara then had it taken away it feels

like the breakthrough moment of my career happening at 33. And for the first time in my life, I was mentally tough enough to take what comes with that. And then they started talking about like lower points of her career. And then she's referring to her public feud with Kanye and Kim that led to her reputation era. After Kanye released that song, that took me down psychologically to a place I've never been before. I moved to a foreign country. I didn't leave a rental house for a year. I was afraid to get on phone calls. I pushed away most people in my life because I didn't trust anyone anymore.

I went down really, really hard. Oh, heartbreaking. It is heartbreaking. I loved her. She had a quote. You read it to me this morning, babe, about how iconic it is. her she had a quote you read it to me this morning babe about how iconic it is well because of course but wait about scuder braun of course scuder braun you know also came up karma came back to bite him and kanye in the ass and all of his clients left him for well we't know, but we speculated that with Mary,

that it was, um, he was taking their money. Remember? Yeah. Maybe he was kind of, yeah. Anyways.

And Kanye had his anti-Semitic comments. And Miss Taylor says, nothing is permanent. I'm very careful to be grateful every second that I get to be doing this at this level, because I've had it taken away from me before. Miss Taylor says, Period. Straight up. to quote unquote defeat your enemies. Trash takes itself out every single time. Period. Straight up? I mean like line of the century.

That's a great line. Does she think Kim is trash? Is the question. Because you know we talked recently about the whole Skims campaign

with Brittany Mahomes and I kind of pragmatically suggested hey before we trash britney we need some context when did they do the shoot is does taylor even care i even i even presented that possibility that maybe taylor has moved on from what happened between her and kim specifically but reading reading these quotes about how much that affected her, it would be more than understandable if Taylor wasn't over it. And maybe she doesn't necessarily

hold an active grudge, but also maybe she doesn't want to, it would be understandable if Taylor didn't want to associate herself with anyone who wanted to associate with Kim. I think she, the trash is Scooter and Kanye, obviously. Yeah, but what about Queen? I think she's...

She accused Kim of editing that... It wasn't accused. It was confirmed. Okay. So Kim had her role. For sure. I just really want to know where she stands with Kim. Can you just text your friend and ask? I can. I thought about it. I'm not going to do it right now. I just really want to know where she stands with Kim. Can you just text your friend and ask?

I can. I thought about it. I'm not going to do it right now. I think you should. I think that's definitely something we need to know. We need to stop wondering. Something else that she talked about, which I think is absolutely insane. She obviously this tour was nuts.

I all of the facts about just like all the numbers it reached, everything that it like hit and all of that. It's just crazy. But she says that she started training six months before tour started. And to train every day, every day. Every day. run on the treadmill singing the entire set list out loud. She'd run fast for the fast songs and she'd jog or fast walk for slow songs. Aren't her concerts like three hours long? That's what I was wondering. So is she running for like four hours straight or is it like, did you take a break? I mean,

it's yeah, it's 40 songs. Her dad said five miles though, but I don't know how that like equates out to that many songs. He was like, five miles every day. She started in January. All right, so five miles at nine-minute pace, let's say, which is slow. That's a lot, though.

Five miles? Yeah, how long would that take? Okay, well, let's ask the state champion of fucking track. Speedy. Five miles at nine minute pace. We also don't know if she's doing nine miles. That feels aggressive. Nine minutes.

Nine minutes. Nine minutes seems aggressive. It would take me 30. No, it wouldn't. You could walk a mile in 20 minutes. The average person takes 20 minutes to walk a mile. So if you walked even just twice, you could speed walk a mile

in probably 14 minutes. Okay, so that would be for her slow songs, but her fast songs, she was like sprinting. And she's got long legs. Yeah, no, I'm curious how long she was on the treadmill for. So that makes me think that it

was more than five miles yeah it has to be yeah I would agree hmm can you also ask your friend that the entire set list it's I mean it's insane credit to her dedication because I think about it when she's up there she is performing and singing it is wild the energy that it took. Like, it takes. And the dance. I mean, she says she had three months of dance training. She wanted to get it

in her bones. She wanted to be so over-rehearsed that she could be silly with the fans and not lose her train of thought. That's wild.

That is wild. So much respect. Am I allowed to wear Skims underwear? I'll have to ask Ashley. You'll have to ask her. I'll have to ask Ashley. Be like, I know Taylor doesn't know me, but how would she feel if I wore Skims?

Would she be offended? I mean, Brittany promoted it, and she was seen just this past Sunday lipping I love you to Brittany Mahomes. I don't know if it was I love you. I think it was more like love you, I love you. But like they clearly are friends. Well, you guys went to the OBB

holiday party and they work a lot with scooter clients. They are very close to Scooter. Well, oh my god. We can't be friends with Scott anymore. Sorry, Scott. But Justin doesn't work with Scooter anymore and a lot of ex-scooter clients

ex-scooter so we it was a room full of people who had a scooter justin was there scooter wasn't so i don't know period if what's going on between obb and scooter but i do know i think they broke up that scooter wasn't there while we were there. And the Biebs was. So, take that. Yeah. We know where our allegiance is, Lyle. Take that, Allie.

Trying to get us canceled. I can't keep up with the music drama, you know? Like, damn. But congratulations, Taylor. Just a really... She also cleared up a little bit of her timeline with Trav. Yeah, they've been... I guess they were. Which, remember, when that video of them came out of her leaving the locker room.

Yes. And I was like, they were holding hands or weren't holding hands? And I was like, they should be holding hands. Yes, they weren't holding hands. And I was like, what if they were holding hands? And you're like, they would never do that. They literally just met. They were dating. Well, we didn't know that. I know, but we just found out that she was like, they would never do that. They like literally just met. They were dating. Well, we didn't know that.

I know, but we just found out that she was like for us to hard launch. Like she was like, we were already a couple at that game. She was like, we would be psychopaths to hard launch a relationship. Yeah. But for a,

make a first date. Clearly them not holding hands. That moment was them being at least a little self-conscious about you know the perception of the hard launch she was so did they just want to extend it so we could all freak out about that kiss when he

went to her show like have they just been giving little bits by little bits well if we know our girl Taylor clearly she's, she knows how to drip a story, you know, keep it going. They did drive off in the getaway car.

Did she speak about her future at all with Travis? No. I actually really appreciated the amount that was Travis and Taylor. Like there wasn't, it wasn't too much. It was just like just enough that like gave us some clarity.

It gave us some info into the beginning of the relationship. But like, and she also mentioned the writer, how she went to the movie theaters, the Grove, when they launched her first. Yeah. Movie? Yeah. And Taylor went. A movie premiere. Yes.

And Taylor went into every single theater room and like talked to everyone and everyone sobbed and she watched it with them. She said that she talked to these two sisters. They're like 20 and 22. And she asked one of the girls, I think her name was McCall. She asked her, what do you think of Taylor's dating life? And she was like, that is so, it would be wrong for us to focus on that. She gives us so much more than her dating life and she was like that is so like it would be wrong for us to focus on that like she gives us so much more than her dating life and it was so this is what the sister said yeah it was just she's like a 22 year old fan and she was like we're not focusing on who she's dating like this

is about her craft it was just like so cool of her. Yeah, she's really trained her fans. Really? Maybe not trained. I don't know. But her fans have really, like a lot of her fans obviously have been by her side, you know, through the beginning. I don't know. I don't know what I'm trying to say. But yeah, it was a cool moment.

Anyways. Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, I have finally forced Nick to watch. Pop the cherry not I popped his cherry the Mormon cherry and it was everywhere not

in any way forced but through multiple suggestions including our sweet boy Justin um and meeting Heather in person we decided to dive in

to Salt Lake we started season four episode episode one. Which is a good one. Yeah. Just an iconic intro. Yeah, I'll send you a list of episode-specific ones for you to watch that are, like, heightened.

You had a good way of putting it that Salt Lake City is, like, a spoof of Beverly Hills. Yeah, yeah. Watching Salt Lake City, what it seemed like to me is as if it's a, yeah, like Justin said, a spoof of Beverly Hills. Yeah. Watching Salt Lake City, what it seemed like to me is as if it's a, yeah, like Justin said, a spoof of Beverly Hills Housewives. A bunch of women in Salt Lake City who are fans of the Beverly Hills Housewives franchise decided to make almost like a funny or die comedy special on what they think Beverly Hills Housewives is. And that's, to me, what Salt Lake City Housewives is.

Yeah. Well, and I took a ballet class with someone that was actually from Salt Lake City. And I was like, so what are your thoughts on the woman? Are they real? Do you think they're actually rich? Like, what? And she was like, they're not from Salt Lake City.

She's like, they live in Salt Lake City. Maybe some of them are from Salt Lake City, but she's like, they don't represent us. They're just a small few that have blown themselves out of proportion versus even the rich of Salt Lake City. Maybe some of them are from Salt Lake City, but she's like, they don't represent us. They're just a small few that have blown themselves out of proportion versus even the rich of Salt Lake City aren't acting. I mean, their outfits are insane.

Have you seen the movie Dumb and Dumber? Harry and Lloyd, they find the briefcase with all the cash and they're in Aspen. So they just buy everything. And they buy everything and they are decked out in the most outrageous clothes because they have all this money. That's how the housewives of Salt Lake City dress.

It's absurd in the best possible way. It makes it funnier, though. It does. We just got to the episode where Lisa lost her ring in the bathroom on their way to Palm Springs. Palm Springs, yeah. How did the rumor come about

that people thought it was Monicaica does this happen on the show or is this just like an outside room i think it's just fans i think it's like reddit okay yeah i think it was just some fan had somewhat of a platform and was like she doesn't have money she stole it well because monica when they were telling the story she gave a look like and did you find it and she paused with her sunglasses and was like no And I think she was making a scene because they were literally digging through trash cans. And I think a crazy fan looked at that and go, oh, she hesitated. It was her.

And yeah, I think that rumor just comes from fandom. What are your thoughts on Monica? Because she's kind of a redefinition of like, housewives don't need to be rich. They just have to be good TV. Yeah. Well, I found out yet last night while watching it that, you know, her big story is sleeping with her husband's brother, sleeping with her brother-in-law. For 18 months.

Yeah. Yeah. When she told Heather that and maybe it's awkwardness or whatever, but she didn't seem very sorry. Well, she did start crying. Sure. But her first reaction was to laugh and giggle. And again, maybe that's a just like this is awkward that i'm telling you this maybe but it is on camera and she knew she

was going to talk about it and knowing how tv is made in that space like she probably had plenty of time to mentally prepare for whatever her reaction would be and her first instinct was to it wasn't like hey well i'm embarrassed to say i've worked a lot on it something i really regret it's been a moment but you know this happened like she did not say that and almost like she had her natural reaction and then thought maybe some tears are needed is that why her marriage ended i would assume i'm not sure i'm like halfway through the episodes that are already like out now but she's sad about the divorce but at the same same time it's like well you kind of you fucked it up but also what is this going she's she's the one suing Heather. So, she's suing Heather for a botched plastic surgery

because Heather, like, she makes her money from owning beauty labs. It's called Beauty Lab, which is, like, plastic surgery and, like, beauty services, basically. And when you say plastic surgery, is she including, like, Botox and... Yeah, I think so. Yeah, yeah.

Filler as injections, like injectables? I think specifically for monica it was like lip injections and then possibly something else gotcha yeah so she sued or she didn't sue i think she just well it sounds like she countersued yeah heather first sued monica for allegedly failing to pay two thousand dollars for nose and lip injections to which monica claimed the procedure was botched but recently dms were discovered of monica like basically saying oh my god love the procedure looks everything looks great it's amazing so this was before her being like it was botched she was like i'm obsessed like i love this i don't know botox artist i know whoever like obsessed whoever did the botox she's like i'm

obsessed with the way they do it like it's really well done and then and she didn't think that would come back and like bite her in the ass well monica doesn't seem like someone who like thinks in a long-term sort of capacity you need to keep watching once you get to like the easter episode or like when her mom starts like kind of tapping into the storyline you'll have a different definition. What do you think of Monica? I did watch the Easter episode. I don't know. Like, she's, she almost goes too far and kind of acts childish, but I guess you're supposed to, like, believe that there might be trauma behind that. I'm not entirely sure. The Easter episode was wild.

I watched that on an airplane. When the priest When she, like, left her mom? Yeah. At the party? No, what was wild to me was the priest walking in in, like, a slow motion as if he was, like, one of the housewives. And I was like, what is this? What is happening? He got his, like, foot shot, you housewives. And I was like, what is this? What is happening? He got his like foot shot. You know, they always do like the feet.

What episode is this? It's coming up, I think. I don't know. You're almost there, yeah. Who is your favorite? From Salt Lake City? Yeah. Lisa Barlow.

Really? Just because she's rich, but she only eats fast food. She doesn't know how to cook. Which one is she? Lisa is... Is she the one who kind of looks like Sarah Palin? I don't know who that is. She has brown hair.

No, that's Meredith, I think. Oh, I don't like Meredith. I don't like Meredith either. Lisa is... She's the one that has the sun that's going on a mission. If that rings a bell. No, that's the one I'm thinking about. She's the one who kind of looks like that.

Well, I mean, Lisa and Meredith kind of look alike. Yeah, they kind of do. That's one of their early storylines, yeah. Yeah, that's... You think she looks like Sarah Palin? Kind of. Not in there. Not in that picture.

Wait, who's Sarah Palin? I don't have time. Dustin! I don't have time to get into it. I'm really bad with names. Okay, I'm sorry. Is she the one who does all the film festival,

Park City film festival parties? Yeah, but I heard that that's also possibly fate. There's talk, and if you look up on Reddit, which is really big within like the housewife community you'll see people be like i've never seen her at a party like what is she talking about so it's like there's lots of parties that's the thing though that's the thing because you've never seen her doesn't mean she's not there and she also owns like a tequila brand but to be a mormon and drink tequila

is its own like dichotomy well none of them seem like really high-value Mormons. Maybe high-value, like just devout Mormons. Devout, yeah. Well, Whitney, she was a direct descendant of someone that was close to the creator of the church. And she got exiled because she broke up a family by sleeping with her boss, who's now her husband. The one with the bad veneers. Her husband has bad oh yeah oh that guy his teeth are so scary they're

just like also we don't look like that do we all because there's a bit of an age difference between her and her hubby no let me think on it does my job depend on my answer also she has a surprising amount of tattoos she has a full

like side body tattoo yeah yeah okay baddie baddie yeah sorry anyways

I'm really enjoying Salt Lake City are you liking it better than Beverly Hills well it's just so chaotic Salt Lake City and

it's it's silly and it's funny and you constantly wonder are they in on the joke or are they the joke which kind of makes it fun but beverly hills housewives even before i started watching it i think they really it started and still to some degree remains as crazy as the drama can be on beverly hills housewives still like aspirational in terms of like these are the women of beverly hills housewives and like kathy hilton and kyle richards and yada yada yada and like salt lake city there's a bunch of women you've never heard of before with these like crazy background stories it's just so outrageous i think it's spoof versus novelty it Salt Lake City is the spoof.

Beverly Hills is the novelty. I think they both serve its purpose. Have you started watching Miami yet? No, but I should. Andy Cohen, he was under flame because he only had a couple Miami guests on Watch What Happens Lives versus he's had all these other

people on. That's what people are trying to say now too so mandy cohen hates them babe do you think any of our exes could ever date each other oh my god um how would you feel about that too well one one is the boost one uh you know no and yeah i don't think it could work i don't think so either but uh unless someone wronged nick so much that he wants to set that woman up with the man who stuck natalie with the 1600 dinner 1600 it's like a revenge plot but i'm more like trash takes itself out you know according to our queen indeed but uh amy robach and tj holmes they're you know who famously or infamously depending how you look at it uh were fired from good morning america for their relationship and

they have finally come out and spoken about their relationship they first now deny any cheating allegations that this relationship started after divorce proceedings happened uh and even though publicly which is a very believable story according to you know the morning show that's how jennifer anderson's character was in the beginning, like married, but no one, was basically separated and divorced, but no one knew about it. It was,

you know, being in that space, you know, stability and, and being in a loving relationship is good for the brand, so to speak. So,

it almost seemed like that backfired and they got fired for it. But I, but now they're But now they're now they're together and now their exes are like their exes, her ex-husband and his ex-wife are like dating. Which I feel like

that makes more sense than like a random your ex and a random my ex because they have kids. Well they both like went through the same thing. Julia, how do you think it started? Like one of them reached out to the other being like hey, how are you doing with this? It's gotta be some sort of like dm it's like the enemy of my enemy is my friend my ex lover's lover is my lover yeah you just there we can cross multiply

enough times to make it work it's like we just i needed someone to talk to who understands what i'm going through and who understands what she's going through? More than him. More than him. I hope it works out. I kind of support it. Yeah. I'd love to talk to him about it. Could you DM him?

I could. Maybe I will. Fascinating story, though. Well, who leaked that story? Was it TJ and Amy who put that information out there? I feel like probably, yeah. Didn't they just start a podcast? They did, yeah. So, I'm trying to guess where it came from. information out there i feel like probably yeah didn't they just start a podcast they did yeah so

i'm trying to see where it came from the usa today says rumors are circulating so has it been confirmed no page six posted about it a day ago uh yeah it just says according to multiple sources we're told the couple have been dating for about six months after bonding over the traumatic experience of being cheated on. So it didn't come from. Cheated on. Amy. And well, that's everyone. Yeah.

I mean, when that when the scandal broke, the assumption was that they were having an affair with each other because they were both, as far as the public knew, still married. Right. the public knew still married right and they didn't really speak on it but now they are claiming there was no cheating that they were both going through divorce proceedings even though they were technically still married and they happened to fall in love with each other on the set of gma3 while they were interviewing me but when their divorce proceedings had already started is when they um apparently of course yes you don't believe well questionable it's questionable and there's a photo of them together i just texted it to natalie we have photo proof of them together and they are like cheek to cheek nick it's a handsome couple we gotta get them on the show that's like yeah I definitely feel like they

were like should we just get a drink and like talk shit about our exes who are now in love

yeah and then they were like wait a second should we fuck wait a second you're gonna pot wait a second ooh

they'll hate this yeah yeah I wonder how TJ and Amy feel about it imagine it being one of the kids they both have kids and they just basically did swapsies yeah so it's like they like it's like same but different same but different you know is it love or is it trauma you know what i mean

right do you think that the kids had already met the other you know what i mean like maybe it's just like oh our family friend jessica is now sleeping in dad's room yeah because they were like co-workers and there's probably like you know christmas parties and events yeah and like it's like we're brothers and sisters too two times over we're double brothers double steps we're double stepsisters this is like the start of a Disney or ABC movie. Right? No, truly. It's an all-American love story.

All-American. Wow. It really is. For the exes, not TJ and Amy. Well, maybe there wasn't cheating. And maybe this really is true love for both couples. And they really just had to go through a whole other marriage and creating people to have either of the exes talked about. We're like, we're all on the same page that the divorce proceedings had happened for a long time. Like the exes are also saying that as well.

I don't know. But I mean, Amy and TJ are nothing if not professionals who know how journalism works. and TJ are nothing if not professionals who know how journalism works. And I would think that either A, they got their story straight or B, they're telling the truth. Because if the people who are now a united front and talking feel like that's not accurate and true, don't you think they would have something to say about it? Even if it's through sources? Sources claim. But the sources say that they've moved on, that the hurt is over and the duo has moved on. But I do think it's interesting that the source is saying things like the affair and the cheating,

even though TJ and Amy are saying there was no cheating. Yeah, it wasn't like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yes, I hated them too. We were going through a divorce. Right. You know, it seems like they both asked for a divorce with their respective partners. Correct. Once they were already in love with each other. We need to get the other to decide. DM them. We need answers. I told our bookers to reach out to them.

I haven't heard anything. Time to take it into our own hands. That would be a hell of an interview. Yeah. What if we just secretly book them with their original spouse?

And we switch them. What do you mean? We pretend that they're coming in with their new partners but we actually have them sit down on the couch with their ex. Oh.

Well we'd have to get TJ and Amy here. Yeah. We get them all in the same room. I don't think we have enough chairs for that. Let's I don't even know

if we're going to get the what are their names? Marilee and Andrew. Okay. Marilee and Andrew. What are their names? Marilee and Andrew. Okay. Marilee and Andrew. I'm rooting for you, Marilee and Andrew. As am I.

Yeah. TJ and Amy, I don't know. I'll circle back. If you work out, I don't really care. I mean, I wish everyone happiness, but I'm not invested in TJ and Amy as much as I am... What are their names again? Marilee and Andrew.

Marilee and Andrew. Do you think she calls him Andy? I don't know. Or Drew. What do you think he calls her? Is it Mary or Marilee? Marilee, for sure. What if I called you Nicholas?

Kind of hate that. Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, I think it's time to get to Crystal. Don't forget to send in those questions at asknickatthevowfiles.com for all things texting, office hours, mediation, you know the drill, Ask Nick,

all those fun calls. I think it's time to get to Crystal. Enjoy. It's a great episode. Bye. Ladies and gentlemen. What are you doing? What do you mean?

I'm making it. Just keep it simple. I'm making the promo. Just keep it simple. Just say, hey, we're the Brav Bros. Two guys that talk about Bravo. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, we're the Brav Bros. No.

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I didn't have to pretend to like, not that I thought I would. But like when you showed it in the office, I was like, oh, I don't have to like fake impress, like this is you. We were talking about that with our friends,

Ashley and Jared, who came by. About engagement rings? Well, just that particular ring. And the fact that it's, I like, a long cushion cut. A long cushion fact that it's, I like it.

Like I, you know, now that I've procured an engagement ring, I've paid more attention. That makes it sound like you stole it. Well, I started with a cushion. I'm sorry. I'm just using big words. And then when I upgraded, I went round. Yeah. But I like it.

I miss the cushion. Oh, you upgraded. Let me see. Did you keep the old for like a year? No. I'm not attached to anything. I like, yeah. I love the big rock and the small band.

Yes. I don't need the old. I have the thinnest band. Oh, yeah. We're like twinning. Very similar, different cuts, but similar rings. And I went yellow gold. Yeah.

We're like sisters. Oh, I went yellow gold. Yeah. Stunning. Stepsisters. Yeah, I haven't found a ring that I've thought where I'm like, that would have been nice. That you liked better? That's great. It's like I'm really focused on it. It's not too big.

I've seen some gaudy ones out there. Honey. Can you? I don't have to keep it in the bank. Like Kyle Richards. Gaudy's not a word I use. It can't be too big. That's what she said.

And that is what she said. Never too big. And you can go ahead and quote her. I'm getting texts from Heather Dubrow, which is like Averville because that woman has a very... What does Heather have to say? She was... She was on the show. She has sat in that very spot with you.

Tell her we said hi. Well, we had dinner last night. Oh, cute. And it's a picture of me, her, and Christine Chu. Oh. And Christine is commenting on her abs. Oh, of course. Tell her we said hi.

Okay, well, I am not fine. We're about to talk shit. Not about her. No, ask her if she has any shit she wants to share. Yeah. Like, so, from Heather,

she says, fuck you. Tamara, go fuck yourself. Yeah. I'm so glad I don't watch any. Are we on?

Yeah, we are recording. Don't worry. No, I'm glad i don't watch any are we on yeah we are recording don't worry no i'm glad i don't watch any of those shows because i feel like then i couldn't like be like knowing how toxic it is and like i would judge people all the time which i already do a lot i would struggle like knowing these people because then i would you know not like them most of them. So I don't watch any of it. So if they're nice, they're nice. You don't think if you watched other housewives, you would be able to respect them? No, their craft. None. Their craft. Not one. No, I'm sure I would connect with more, but that's like Heather and I connected at BravoCon. And of course I've always known who she was and And but, you know, she's obviously a very elegant kind of person.

And but we really connected to where now we the four of us had dinner last night. And but it's nice because I don't I don't really know what's going on in her show. So I can just really enjoy her as a person. Who was it before again? It was with our husbands. Oh, OK. Yeah. A little double date. It was a four hour dinner. Oh, okay. Yeah. A little double date.

It was a four-hour dinner. Oh, wow. After Kathy's house. Okay. Well, welcome, Crystal. Thank you. I'm just going right in. No, we love a cold open.

We love a little, like, slip right into the episode. We're so happy to have you. Thank you. Excited. I'm new into Beverly Hills. Everyone knows. It's been fun. How new? Just Beverly Hills. Everyone knows. It's been fun.

How new? Just curious of where you started. In terms of watching it and following it, this is my first season. Okay. I'm very familiar with the franchise. I'm very familiar with previous characters and all the talent,

and it's the OG kind of iconic show. Okay. This is your first season watching? Watching every episode, paying attention, iconic show, you know, but this is your first season watching, like watching every episode, paying attention, being involved, having opinions. Okay,

cool. You know, it's a much lighter season. No, I mean, comparatively. Yeah. From what I've heard.

Yeah. Yeah. But we're excited to have you on. I feel like, you know, it's like, well, you're the,

you're, you're more of the quiet housewife on Beverly Hills. That I am. And I wear that as a badge of honor. I don't find that offensive at all. But, uh, we're here to,

uh, unpack what is behind that brain of yours, of which, you know, you have, uh, you have a lot of talents, a lot of skills,

a lot of opinions, and we just want to get it all out here. On the Vile Files. On the Vile Files. But yeah, we met in person at Kathy Hilton's Christmas party. Yes. It was lovely. Yes.

Your husband is lovely. We chatted about kids' names. And he told me the story of your son's name and how that happened. He's a storyteller. He is. He's a great storyteller i was like very hooked on every word he was saying it was very i mean that they had they were back and forth on a name and then he went he chose the name and then he went to like meet up with your mom and his mom

yeah while i was in hospital what was the name so our son is max but um i wanted alexander because i wanted something a little more sophisticated. And Rob wanted Max because he's just like, that's my son's name. So I was like, let's do Alexander Maxwell Minkoff. And he's like, let's do Maxwell Alexander Minkoff. And we went back and forth to where we kept going back to the person at the hospital, taking back the paper. It was like very stressful. So then we landed on Alexander Maxwell Minkoff, but we'll call him Max. And it's the dumbest decision brother luke his legal name is christopher luke uh my dad's name is chris and when luke was born my my dad like always my never my dad never wanted a junior he's just not his thing when luke was born there were some complications and you know

there was a moment of like nostalgia of like well just in case something happens i don't think there was ever really a moment where we thought we were we're gonna lose luke but like there were some complications at birth um and so in a kind of a moment of nostalgia they decided to name him there was always going to be luke okay well that's sweet that there's a story there but they decided to call him christopher luke and we i won't i i forget that his name is actually christopher but i don't know if it's a pain in the ass for him. I just, we, and then for like four or five years, we kept going back and forth of like,

should we change his name legally? Yeah. Forgot it. Because it's like every time you go to the doctor or something, they're like, Alexander. Yes. He's like, who? Correct. And so when we're-

You forget sometimes. So we're at TSA there. I was like, what's your name? You know, like check. And he's like, Alexander. And he's like, what the hell, mom? I'm like, sorry. We're we're dumb sorry your parents suck uh we did run into a young man who's um whose parents gave him the two last names the hyphenated last name you know like the rodham clinton kind of

thing okay he's mad mad so mad i can, I'm not surprised. If it comes up, if he meets parents who are debating whether to have their kid have like a hyphenated last name, he will interrupt them and just don't ruin your kid's life is basically what he has to say about that.

It shows you could have a whole podcast just talking about kids' names. Truly. It's really an intense situation because it's forever. It's a stamp. You want to hear our kid's really an intense situation because it's true it's forever well it's a stamp you want to hear our kids name we'll say it on this podcast we'll bleep it out for sure yes it'll be one long bleep but do you want to hear it yes you can give us your honest opinion i will you want to say it go ahead

love i love that that's a great name. We like it. Love it. I know actually they're all very cool. Really? Yes. This is a long bleep. No, we'll bleep it multiple times.

It'll be really annoying for our audience. Thank you, our editor. We love you. We appreciate the work you do. Christine and Heather. Heather's Is this a text from Heather said I hated that podcast

fuck those people what did she say no it's Christine it's with Christine and Heather and Christine's like Heather needs to be on Beverly Hills we asked Heather about her being on Beverly Hills

and Heather didn't kill that rumor I apologize for her being on Beverly Hills. Start the rumor. Yeah. And Heather didn't kill that rumor. No, I, no. Is there a certain, and I apologize for, is there always the same number of housewives on every housewife show? There's different numbers.

Yeah. And it changes every year. It changes every year. How many, we have you, we have. So we have seven this year. Okay, we have seven. Yeah, and like last year we had eight plus two friends. So it's not like if you recruit one, someone's going to be like, who gets axed?

It's not like, it's not like something like that. No. Because I remember last year it was like they were adding so many people and then there was a sense of like who's getting axed, but then they just kept everybody. And I actually think my theory about that is because it was during COVID. So you couldn't have anyone else film. So they wanted to like feel like more people. So it was like the biggest cast I think any housewives had. So I think that was sort of why.

That's my, I don't know. I'm always trying to theorize things. I really feel like casting Heather on Beverly Hills would trigger a lot of insecurities with some of the cast. On Beverly Hills? Yeah. Oh, you do? You don't think so? No.

It wouldn't ruffle any feathers. No, I think it ruffles feathers with maybe other cast. I think we, I don't know. Not you. I feel like. But you don't. I'm so not competitive with my cast in that way, in like financial or whatever. I don't know these women like you know these women.

I only know from the little bit I followed and watched. And, you know, you have certain like Kyle, like would Kyle wouldn't be threatened by like because Heather's a star. She's got some name recognition. She's, you know, been around the block. And, you know, naive. I think Heather would demand a certain level of attention that

might take away from maybe Sutton. Interesting. See, I think, because I'm naive, is that at the end of the day, we all want a great, successful show. And with that, our strong, successful stars.

And Heather's a star. So, like, for me, it doesn't take away from me. Like, I'm so low-key. So, it's like, I'm not that kind of, like, limelight kind of character. And I never will be. But, like, I would love to have another person like that are you afraid to say that publicly like wouldn't what if a Bravo producer was like listening and you're like I'll never be that person I'm just not like I and I'm very honest

about who I am like there's some people who are just much more like front and center personality wise and I think every cast needs a balance if you just have those like eight people like that it's like chaos if you have eight of me it's like not chaos but you can't you need a balance and i think every there's a place for everybody that's my theory i feel like yeah i feel like heather like heather and all her philanthropic endeavors you know i think like sutton and her being on the chair of the ballet you know it might trump that um but by the way that's great no i know it's conflict you know because it's like doesn't hurt anyone it's funny it's like i think that'd be awesome you know heather you know what she just bought another multi-million dollar like second home or whatever or soul i don't know i can't keep up my friend's

house i can't keep up with all her money um but that might that might rub erica you know her hanging on to those earrings and and look at you you're like producing like this is what you want you're like oh yes fuck yeah i want this i want it will be so messy there's a lot of potential yes storylines i would love her in conflict but i don't think that orange county's not letting her go that's the thing how does that all work too because it are different shows at different production companies orange county beverly hills and i think vanderpump are all we're all one company oh yeah and then like other cities have like group yeah yeah well maybe oc doesn't want to let her go but like is there one show that you feel like gets more attention than others?

On Bravo? Yeah. I don't know. When I was at BravoCon, I will say this, that some of the other housewives from different franchises are like, oh, wow, you guys, Beverly Hills is the biggest. It's the most iconic, I feel like. Yeah. But again, I think of myself as a newbie, so I'm like, oh, I didn't realize, I feel. Yeah. So, but like, I'm again, I'm just like, I think of myself as a newbie. So I'm like, oh, I didn't realize they really thought that way, but it has been around for so long.

You know, I think, you know, it's good ratings. So that's good. Do you feel like, um, was it Garcelle? Garcelle who low key suggested that Dorit staged? Yeah. The, um. suggested that Dorit staged the burglary. I love honesty and shade and all that. I think some of the girls

are obviously much better than me at it, but that one was a lot. And Garcelle and Seth are my close friends, but that was a lot. You thought that was unfair to suggest. I mean, look, that's how she feels. That's the show, and that's the part that i on the flip side that i appreciate when you are really honest in a way that could be like tough to hear like that's that's also why she's a

successful housewife right but i feel like garcelle truly actually feels that or is it she wouldn't yeah she wouldn't say that. No. Why would you put yourself out there like that to make, like, no, I think that's why she actually believes that. It could have just been like a snarky throwaway thing that you knew would get attention. There's. But she actually thinks that.

There's snarky throwaway comments that doesn't feel like one to me personally. Like that's, that's a pretty. That's a pretty outrageous claim. That's what I mean. So that's that's a pretty that's a pretty outrageous. That's what I mean. So I think that's how she feels based on what? Oh, God. Why did I choose to do? Like, look, there's there's always rumors swirling online and people have different theories.

And, you know, so I think that's. But like, what would be Dorit's motivation to do? I mean, obviously, it would grab a lot of attention but I mean not quite what was it Jesse Smollett or whatever his name is yeah he's in jail well yeah that's a

staging a hate crime that's a big deal staging a crime in general is illegal I mean yeah there may be various degrees but it's you're staging something that you're you're now at in actuality doing which is the crime is like so crazy yeah it's what that's what i'm saying like that is a that's not like that's not like saying um i don't know your bag is fake yeah like yeah yeah your purse that's a ripoff

depending on who you ask one might be more serious than the other but like yeah it's not quite the same from a justice system standpoint of being like is that a real like chanel you know versus like for some people i mean it's just it's about do do Do Garcelle and Dorit, are they more coworkers or friends? I would say coworkers. Yeah. They're not like hanging out off camera. And who are... And by the way, you can't, you're not going to be friends with everyone.

Like that's just the nature. It's like your job too. Like you either connect with some people or don't. Who are your coworkers and who are your friends on your cast? When she said Sutton and Garcelle, who's closest? Yeah, like we had dinner the other night

and I texted them a lot. I actually texted with Kyle a lot recently. But at Absintheville, each season's different. Like Dorit and I, actually we go to each other's, like kids,

we invite each other to our kids' parties like off camera. So like we, our relationship is like kind of based on that. And I actually enjoy her family a lot. Eric and I will like,

usually like once between each season, we'll get together for lunch. Like I'm actually like pretty good with everyone. I think everyone knows that I'm not like out for blood, but I just want like to be honest. And so I'm pretty good with everybody, but I am closer with Garcelle and Sutton. Garcelle and Sutton. Yeah. Genuinely. Yeah. Then the other ones. Yeah. You mentioned earlier that there's sometimes when or that sort of everybody has this common motivation to create

a good show. And part of that is being really honest and bringing stuff to light and not shying away from controversial opinions. Have there been any instances that come to mind where people have taken that too far, where somebody thought they were acting in the best interest of the show, but for you, it just really crossed a line in terms of like the way you should treat other people? The show inherently is challenging for me in that way, because I'm like, I just feel like be polite at all times.

And that's, you know, that's not the show. That seems counterintuitive. Yes, it is. So I am highly aware of that, i'm getting better you guys um i think when it goes like off camera you know and i think that's what happened last season with x cast members where you like if you're gonna go for it on the show i think that's actually okay because you're being direct with the person. But like once we film, like let it go,

like let the show air and like, you don't need to taunt people online and like jab at people. And like, I just find that part is the stuff that goes too far. Are you referring to like the Kathy Hilton and Lisa Renna? I thought that was too far for sure. Like getting, you know,

media involved and all that. Like it's,'s unnecessary. Like because to me, that's when you break out of the camaraderie of what we're actually doing, because that's when you let the show play out. And, you know, when you sign up, you know, not everything is going to be shown. It's just it's impossible. Right. Like there's only so much airtime. But I just that part to me is like I film it and then I walk away from it. And I always like no matter what happens on the show, the season, when I have arguments with people, I try to remember where I'm at in this moment today with them, you know? And I just, I think that stuff gets too messy for me. When it came to the Lisa Rinna and Kathy Hilton stuff, where did your allegiances lie? Well, allegiance is one thing, but like I've- Or just I guess on that situation, did you feel it? Yeah, I'm friends with Kathy and I've been friends with Kathy for a long time. And I actually like really like Rinna.

Like I spent time with Rinna off camera too, you know? I just was like, why does this have to continue off? Like let the time with Rinna off camera too. You know, I just, this was like, why does this have to continue off? Like let the show air and then that's it. Like it doesn't, doesn't need to go further. So that part bothered me. And I guess when, and something like that, cause I'm always, I think my biggest fascination just with Bravoverse in general, and I've said this multiple times is just when does the kind of to your point, when does the show stop? And when does like life began for all the people involved? Because it seems like it's hard for some of the people on these shows to disconnect between the TV show and reality.

And I can understand why, because in some sense that their reality is the show and their their lives are on the show. And it seems like some people just kind of lean into that and some people don't when it came to the the lisa renos and kathy hilton drama was it just more did you feel like lisa was more being performative and kept that you know performance going outside of the show and leaning in to the drama and getting involved or did you feel like that was just a personal thought that she actually felt that way and that was okay both yeah both i think she i don't think she created that out of thin air like i don't think she made it up in her mind so i do believe that that's how she felt but lisa rennett is an actor and she's been her whole life she is inherently

a performative person yeah so i think that when you're on the show when it's airing there is a sense that you're like i get it because we're airing now so i feel like more eyes are on us you you do feel more involved in it compared to the times where we're done filming and it's not airing when that happens it feels very quiet like it's kind of dead in a good way um so but i think it's a mixture for her for sure and i think every person not only on our show but just in reality you know they fall on the the line of like somewhere on the line right more extreme performative versus how they really feel or just they can drop it all together and i'm trying to get to that point but i think that's where we all should be social media has really changed how they how this this whole world of reality tv yeah because it kind of never

stops potentially correct if you don't want it to yeah if it didn't happen you would just air it and yep and if you didn't look on social like it wouldn't exist right so yeah it's totally changed the sort of narrative of all of it. What do you love most about being a housewife? Honestly, honestly, like I have, whenever I meet, you know, an Asian American woman, they come up to me like, thank you for representing, you know, I, I see so much of myself in you. I'm like, it's so overwhelming and just makes me so proud because it's hard. It's hard inherently as an Asian person to put your life out there. We're taught culturally not to share,

you know, put everything behind closed doors and put on a, it's called in Chinese called which is like your face, like your mask. So it's like, put your mask on and hide the rest and so for me to like show my family in an authentic way and the cracks in who I am as a person is very hard but to get that affirmation from my fellow Asian sisters I'll call them is like the best thing because that they still accept me and they it's like I know that's what they want to in a way, but they were just taught not to do that. So you kind of being more open, more vulnerable, showing a little bit more behind the mask is something that fellow Asian women have appreciated and want to see maybe more of. Yeah. Yeah.

And so they give me encouragement to just keep going and not be scared because you know I'm quiet and but that's just culturally who we are have there been moments I guess in the first three seasons that you've been on specifically this season of you know because like you said not everything makes the cut to things that you even either have said that didn't make the cut in terms of, you know, commentary on all the other storylines? Or have there been moments where, and I got to assume there's a lot of them, where you're like, you bite your tongue, but you kind of wish you didn't. That I do much more.

You do? Yeah, that I do much more. And then later, I'm like, damn, I should have said it, you know? But you have a mic in front of you right now, you can say it right now. But you know, it's a small moments, right? But they add up and I'm like, cause I'm always thinking about what's going on. It's also, it's not that I don't want to say it, is that because there's so much chatter

and like the majority of the women on the show are very good at like being loud. And you know, like it's hard for me to sometimes find a moment to insert myself without feeling like performative, cause I'm not. So I'm like, oh, that's not the right time, you know, like it's hard for me to sometimes find a moment to insert myself without feeling like performative because I'm not. So I'm like, like, oh, that's not the right time, you know. So those are the moments where I'm like, who cares? I should have said it doesn't really matter because everyone else is doing it. And like, that's just how it works. But yeah, there are definitely been moments like I actually mentioned it before once. But when we were in Vegas and Garcelle was sharing about her son, about not wanting to, she felt uncomfortable about the girls talking about her kids. Like I actually defended her and I said, like, if you guys had done that to my children, like it became over for me. Like that's a line that we don't, family is of a line that you don't cross with me, like ever. So I said, I don't think I would trust anyone after that.

I would be very weary. And so they like didn't air that. And it was not, but it's okay. Like, you know, Garcelle can defend herself and speak up for herself. But it was just one of those things where it's like, how come no one helped her out? I was like, well, I did. And actually Sutton did too. You know, those moments just don't happen.

And that's okay too. You sure found your moment at the dinner. I was like, okay. I got it. Yeah. Are we getting at the dinner. I was like, okay. I got it. Yeah, I got it. Are we getting into the dinner party? Well, I'm just saying, you know, like that is definitely what started the uproar was her quiet little like, hi, guys. Well, I did walk in and there was some yelling.

I'm just going to say. Well, those moments, it's like either someone's going to bring it up because there was so much tension. We just couldn't sit down and like ignore that they were gone. They were gone for like 30 minutes. Wow. It was like nine o'clock by that time. It was late. Are we talking about Kyle and Son?

Son, yeah. Like when we were sitting, it was kind of getting annoying because I'm like, I want to get down with this dinner. Oh, wait, you guys were all sitting down there and they were having a little chat. Yeah, and the host, the literal host of the dinner is not there for 30 minutes. It was 30 minutes. It was a long time. So it was and people were signing at antsy and there's only so much you can like, you know, and I felt bad. The chef, you could tell he kept popping his head out like, are you guys having dinner? I'm like, I don't know. So then I was like, let me go check.

And I did not know they were in a heated conversation because here's the thing. Like, you don't you also are not privy to other conversations happening unless you're in it. So I didn't know where people were at the time. So I was like, oh, wow, they're really going hard at each other. So then I thought it would be, everyone should have an opinion about it.

Let's share our feelings right now. What was your opinion? I was very team Kyle on that. Okay. Very little interaction. It seemed like Sutton was doing her job as a housewife to elicit conflict, but I didn't really understand her point of view. I also find that Sutton never thinks she's wrong.

Have you ever experienced a time where Sutton apologizes? My first two seasons was me versus Sutton. I was going to say, yeah. Yeah. You and Sutton carried the show season 11. Really? And when you're talking about like silencing and like Asian representation, that was like the storyline. It was a tough, tough go for my first season.

How did you guys resolve that? season. How did you guys resolve that? Honestly, it took time off camera because, you know, the show is not designed to encourage resolution. So that's why it took actually two years for us to get there in a way that is actually that's why we're real friends now, because that conflict was so real. So when you have to get to the other side of it it's done in an authentic and meaningful way and for the people who don't know can you just shed some light on that that conflict like you like yeah and other people who didn't watch season 11 yet we just had a lot of conflict in terms of race conversations and it bled into all these other things about, she came into my room one night and that was tough because I was done for the night. It was my fourth

day of shooting ever. And I took off my mic and I happened to be getting out of the shower and there was a camera crew. And it was really tough for me because I remember feeling like, oh, is this what it is? Like they want to just make fun of me and expose me. Like I that's I'm like, that's what I signed up for. And I wanted to leave the show at that day. You thought you were being mocked. Yeah, it was really tough because I had like body stuff and like it was just a terrible situation. And so after that moment, I just really felt like she's out to get me, like in a way that felt very uncomfortable and like i didn't know how to get out of it and interesting kyle supported her through that whole thing and was like you're not reading her right you know she said that to you oh yeah kyle was very like defensive of sutton

of like because i was saying you're being awful you're being crazy you're being awful, you're being crazy, you're being manic. And then Kyle went after me about it. So I find it very ironic that now Kyle is like, yeah. And the other part that's ironic is now I like am defensive of Sutton about it in that, OK, Sutton was going through other things in which she then explained when she was coming after me that first season. And I said this to her recently, literally in the last two weeks. I said, look, watching it back, you obviously have stuff going on. Sutton. Sutton. And you take it out in a, like, because you don't express it, it comes out sideways with you.

I said, in the future, if something's going on in your private life, I need you to tell me so I can be aware. And she's like, I couldn't tell you guys what's going on in your private life, I need you to tell me so I can be aware. And she's like, I couldn't tell you guys what was going on because it was like a private matter with her family. I said, okay, then understand that how you approach things is going to be very challenging for people. Where I could never have that conversation two years ago with her. Like, we were just not there. But I was like, I just so like, when you act like this, like, I don't know why. So it feels very much like it's about the person getting it, but it's also because you're going through other stuff,

which is okay. Like we all go through our stuff, but I mean, it's okay to a certain extent, but it's not always an excuse, but she doesn't, she doesn't know. She apologized to her,

right? Son that night. No, it's if she did, it was more of a, it sounded more as a justification rather than an apology. Oh,

I see. It's like, I acted this way because this was going on. And to be quite honest, I was more team Kyle on the, and maybe you could help

articulate this because Sutton's situation didn't seem like much of a situation. I know what you're gonna say. You know, it was, I'm sure it was.

It's a situation for her. Yeah. In her world, I can understand why it might bring stresses and no one's arguing that. A lot of people would love to be in that situation, to be honest. When you are trying to articulate, you know, why you were behaving poorly and then your story is something where other people might be like, wait, this is a problem. Yeah.

You know? I think that's what makes this show so fascinating when you bring people on. Like everyone has their levels of like reason, right? And what's reasonable. And I always say like, just because someone, like if there's some type of conflict, just because someone's like pain is. Is deeper. Doesn't mean other people in the conflict can't experience pain, right?

People just want to like focus on one and everyone else's doesn't matter. I don't believe that. I'm like everyone is and everyone comes from a different place like that was Sutton's, you know, and maybe I'm just being an apologist for my friend here. And I, it's not like this two years ago with her, trust me. But like, I know her well, and this is her experience now relative to the rest of the world, completely like unrelatable. Yeah, truly. I get that. But that's where she is. And so, this is what makes it interesting, right? Like,

why she's kind of a interesting housewife. As a housewife, I love Sutton. Of course. That's what I mean. She's entertaining. Mostly because,

like, it's fun to have commentary on because she makes some interesting choices. But I will say this, like, on a blanket statement, I don't like people coming

after people's marriages i come i'm one of the lasting people married i mean with young children i just think that what you were asking about what's too far like again it's all encompassing for me as family don't touch my kids don't touch like my mom don't touch my husband like like it's that's my life and like I know what happens in my life and I just think that can be dangerous and I I don't like because that narrative out in the world can affect your family you know and I'm very protective of my household in a way that's like if if people did that I'd be like out I'm like done because I just think that's too far so that's something that would be too much for me.

Did you think that Sutton and Garcelle kind of going after Kyle to like admit that there's something wrong? That something was wrong. They brought the cheating. Yeah. But look, that was out there and that's the job of the show. And I think they were genuinely curious. And there's been rumors all the time. And there's always this thing of like the alliances right like me, Sutton, Garcelle like

at the end of the day like those are my two friends but like I don't I don't get involved in that you know like because that on a personal level because that's just I talked to Rob about like I don't want someone doing that to us and I wouldn't do that to someone like that's just not my thing um there's other things that I feel very strongly about that i bring up this season but that one was like not my thing and again i don't i think it was good that they did it because those are real questions that a lot of people had they were speaking i think for a majority of the audience wondering and if you just ignore it like it doesn't exist that's also weird on the show like you can't it just doesn't go away right and how do you like draw the line

between because like watching it i can't you know kyle being like the og housewife she's been on it since the inception of the show she's a pro yeah she is and to that end it's like she knows what works and what doesn't work and do you feel like well you know you have your boundaries when it comes to family kids do you feel like other housewives have different boundaries yeah so even though like you wouldn't want to talk about you want to wouldn't want to be talked about it almost seems like kyle is more open to bringing that storyline into the show would you say that's accurate yes i do and i think that i think kyle's an incredible housewife i mean, I'm always like no matter what conflict I have with her, I'm like very impressed to put your life out there for 13 years with the conflict she's had with her family. her internal family,

that is a lot to do. And I think she knows that this is part of the game and no matter how uncomfortable it is that she has to be asked these questions, I think she knows that that's, I mean, she certainly, I think it was, I wasn't there with the whole Denise Richards stuff.

She asked those questions. So I think she understands this is all fair game. Do you have any opinions on like the Richards sisters? Because I know like family is a big thing for you and that the show kind of broke up the Richards sisters. Okay.

So is that true? The show broke them up? Speculation that Kim was on the show. Kim left the show. Kathy was on the show. Kathy left the show. And then from like an audience perspective, none of them really talk.

Right. Yeah. Right. You know, like you said, the show just it's about the show. And then from like an audience perspective, none of them really talk. Right. Yeah. Right. Which is, you know, like you said, the show just it's about the drama. Sure. And then to be a good housewife, you have to bring the drama. They were willing to bring their family dynamic into the show. I'm going to suspect that that dynamic was already there.

But the show can exasperate a problem. That's what I think. But I don't think the show creates problems in personal, personal lives. That's my opinion. So, I mean, it's like I'm my brother's my best friend. So I just can't even imagine going through that. I don't know. I don't know if I again with this whole the Chinese family thing. Chinese family thing. If my brother and I like had a problem like that, I don't think I would bring my brother on. Do you know what I mean? Like I just would not like that's not something I'd be comfortable with. But I think like I said, like they have this family has been in the limelight for so long that it's almost it's like they're used to it and I'm not so like that. So it's always surprising to me. But I think it's incredible that they're all willing to just be out there like that. I mean, that being said, like at the holiday party, they all came, right? Yeah, like Kyle was there. Yeah, they were all together. So I think their relationship as sisters really ebbs and flows a lot. But it's unlike the majority of the world. It's out in public. So we all see when they're fighting, but all families fight, right? All families, like, I don't talk to my brother for a couple

of weeks because I'm pissed, but you don't like, I mean, maybe now people might do that, but like before you don't see that. And that's like actually normal. But I think in their world, it's, it feels like, oh God, they're not talking. That's a really good point. Yeah. A lot of families, it's not, it's not a big deal to be so annoyed at your sibling or even sometimes parents where you're like, you just don't talk for a couple months. Yeah. But for them, it's just, they're under a microscope all the time. So then it feels like bigger than I think.

Yeah. Yeah. But I actually think it's normal. But like, maybe they're just having a sister. I hate my brother all the time. He hates me. But like, you go, we come back and we're going to go to a holiday a holiday party together like it's so I actually just don't think it's that abnormal I just think what's abnormal about that family abnormal meaning like is that they're all so

like famous the spotlight yeah and and that's unwilling to constantly put themselves out there and share the drama for us yeah for people judge. Were you afraid to bring your brother on the show then? No. Okay. No. I mean, they wanted my brother on. Like, they were really the network on, you know. I think they were interested in a family dynamic Asian culture,

like how our lives work like that. But no, my brother and I are like so, so good. And we can be vulnerable together on camera, which is, people always say like, oh my God, Crystal looks so much better when she's with her family because I feel so comfortable with my family. So no, I wasn't nervous at all. How did the dinner party come, like the cast, I guess, or just like, yeah, whoever was invited because there was some kind of, you know, Denise Richards and some, how did some of

these, how did this gathering come to be? So all I got was, we of, you know, Denise Richards and some, how did some of these, how did this gathering come to be? So all I got was, we'd like you to bring a friend. So that's why I brought my friend, Nancy, who was like, didn't have a word. She's quiet.

Like she just sat in the corner. She's like, why am I here? I'm like, I don't know. They asked me to bring you. So you didn't understand the assignment. No,

no, I, everyone's like, no, no, I know what they're getting at. I'm bringing Camille. Yeah,

like I offered, I said, Christine Chu. I was like, no, like, no, we just want someone like not on TV. I was like, no, no, I know what they're getting at. I'm like, I said, Christine, too. I was like, no, like, no, we just want someone like not on TV. I was like, OK, that was very specific to me. And then I walked in and Nancy was like. Why am I here? I'm like, I don't know. But then I was like, oh, like, I didn't know who was coming.

Who brought who? So Sutton brought Cynthia. Okay. Glidor. I think Cynthia is awesome. Camille and Denise walked in together. But clearly they were invited by Kyle. Yeah. Right.

And then, yeah, they had to be. And then Faye was invited. Faye and Justin. Those are, those are Kyle's people. Okay. So there's no one else, right? That was it. That was the whole outside of the cast. And was Denise as intoxicated as she appeared?

Okay, so legit. I know. I'm like, I'm going to sound dumb. So Denise was on the same side of me. So I had no perfect vision of her. I didn't realize how lit she was until I watched it. And she's always said I did not take anything before. In fact, I was on the phone with her walking in here.

And I was like, yeah. And I said, she called me, and I said, girl, like, you were. You watch it. She's like, I literally, I'm like, maybe. And I said, she called me and I said, girl, like, I just like you were, I watch it. You like you, you know, she's like, I literally, I'm like, maybe because she had a cold. She's like, maybe there was codeine in it. I literally heard me. I was like, there was something, you took something. You heard this conversation. She walks in, maybe there was codeine in it.

That's what you heard. That was Denise. You were on the phone with Denise. Yeah. Yeah. And then she goes, can you get codeine on over the counter? I was like, I was Denise you were on the phone with Denise yeah and then she goes can you get codeine over the counter

I was like I don't know I don't think so but like maybe you had a prescription I was like I'm trying to like figure out figure out I'm like because

in no way were you sober yeah and I've always been like when someone tells me face value like I'm not like if I know I look

intoxicated on camera i'm not gonna say like i took nothing like there's gonna be a reason like there's always an answer to something just say you were fucked up that's better than being like no that's just me so you heard what i said it's like just have fun with it like yeah because we filmed the next day and she was like sober and we all and then it was me sutton and garcelle and her and we're like how was last night and she started laughing so I said you knew that

you were kind of fucked up at that moment but ever since she somehow has remembered that she wasn't so she feels like something was given to her

I don't know but watching it back I'm like well she was like way more intoxicated than I Denise we've all been a little fucked up

yeah she got out of the car and I was like, she looks like she's on mushrooms. Like I wasn't like, this is horrible. She didn't kill anyone, you know. By the way, she could have had some chocolate. You know, she had a car service. And she thought maybe it was like regular chocolate. I don't know. What the hell, it was a weed fucking dinner party.

Like maybe she just got a head start. I said it was fun. It looked funny, whatever. I'm i said it was fun it looked funny whatever i'm like it was like there's a lot of worse things that could happen than you just like looking lit true at a weed party because even saying it like that like you looked like as opposed to like she's lying about whether or not she was on something is so much more serious than being like i got lit yeah yeah it's very she was laughing on the phone but she was like i don't know what i'm like you dude, you had something.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, no one thinks less of Denise Richards because she got a little smashed at a weed party. I think more highly of her. I think more highly of her, actually. She followed directions. I'm like, oh, I can fuck with her. Like, okay, that's fun.

Why are Sutton wasting our time having like an earnest conversation? We're here to get fucked up. It's a weed party. Everyone's like, one milligram. One milligram. I know. Denise is like, give me 20. Wait, Crystal, did you do any? What was your dosage?

I said three to five because I don't do weed at all. I'm not against it. I just don't do it. I'm a drinker. I was already drinking and everyone has told me, and by the way, a week ago, like I did a gummy, which I got so fucked up. Did you love it or did you hate it? No, it was like, oh no.

My friends had to walk me out of this restaurant. We all, and I started like shuffling. You're spinning. It was so bad. So I'm like, Rob was laughing. He's like, what if you look like that on the show? It would have been infamy, but like, Rob was laughing. He's like, what if you look like that on the show? Like, it would have been infamy, but like, it was horrible. But I was drinking because I had three to five. But at the end, because I think only a few people were kind of feeling a little

because you had to eat every bite of food to get the maximum dosage. And, you know, you're filming, you're like snack, like you're not eating the whole thing anyway. So they're like from appetizer to dessert you had to eat everything to get that full dosage so I probably had like two milligrams like you know but I just drink as a connoisseur of marijuana

I don't really I didn't really understand the whole like weed dinner part wouldn't you of all people like I don't know just fucking smoke a bowl you know like I don't know weed dinner part. What? Because it takes... Wouldn't you, of all people, like... I don't know, just fucking smoke a bowl, you know?

I don't know. Just eat a couple edibles and then I'll eat something, you know? Because his... Remember he was saying it's like, oh, it's just to take you

on a ride through the food or something. Yeah, I don't know. To me, it's just like it's going to take a while to set in and... Right, just get there.

Yeah, you know. But do you smoke or do you do gummies you know all of it I don't really judge all of the above yeah

I have a daughter coming so oh yeah I've been informed you're not changes will be made you've been aborted which I honestly appreciate

I'm like listen our daughter can't go to preschool and be like my daddy was smoking a blunt at home like no you can't do that.

But they can say they have a cocktail. That's true. By the way, I'm like a super apologist for this, and I don't smoke. I also just don't really want my daughter to smell like weed. I'm not into it at all. It's a disgusting habit. I've never smoked a cigarette in my life, and I always

took pride in that. I'm like, I've never smoked a cigarette in my life. Meanwhile, I'm just like, killing your lungs. Marijuana. But, you know, that's just me. Well, I hope you enjoy the last few months

of your life. Go hit it. Never again. Go hard. Something I am curious about that kind of came up at the dinner party was it seemed like

what they were using as the entry point to a conversation about Kyle was like changes that she's made in her habits and then in turn like changes they were perceiving in her body. I know like you've been someone who's been very open and public about talking about eating disorders and disorders eating. Like what is it like being in this environment? Like how is there any kind of sense? I feel like housewives are sort of famously sometimes perceived as like plastic or there's like a lot of commentary about bodies. So like, how do you go about like approaching with or engaging with that? It's a great question. It's highly nuanced for me and complicated.

This show is very complicated for me because I walked into the season and everyone was a lot smaller, which made me then very uncomfortable, more so my body and filming. Filming already is uncomfortable for me, just inherently being in my body. And then now, because all I do is, and I have no judgment on people's bodies, but I'm always comparing my physical space next to someone's physical space. And it is just a 24-hour thing. It's constant, low-key, to someone's physical space. And it is just a 24 hour thing. Like it's constant, low key, but it's always there. So being in a room full of women that are clearly a lot smaller and then the discussion and accusations of eating disorders and stuff. And that's where I wish I could have spoken up more, but I'm, I get so, it's such a personal issue for me that it actually like shuts me down where I

can't speak because I'm like this is so toxic for me like this is like I can't believe people are like accusing you know it's just too much but then on the flip side of sitting here with you guys talking about it I know that it helps people that's actually you asked me what's the best part of it that that season, my first season when I brought it up was like, I get DMs still daily of people sharing their ED with me. They say, I've never told someone. I got someone who wrote me, I've never shared it for 30 years. You're the first person I've ever told. And I mean, that's like a big deal because I've had mine for 30 years now and um you know it's it's a lot it's it's you know and I'm not you know I I'm from the valley I grew up here I'm from LA so like plastic surgery and all

that stuff is like fine for me like I've I've never done anything but like I almost don't do it just to like fuck so I can say it um yeah but actually went to school. I wanted to be a plastic surgeon. So that's what I find fascinating about being on a show that's all about like make, you know, it's hard. Like the audience is judgmental. Oh, yeah.

Very judgmental. If you don't look good, they judge you. If you do too much, they judge you. So I see how challenging. I'd rather just like not do anything until I have to. But it's a hard it's I feel for all the women who are on TV

because you cannot win. And so it's like, just do what you feel good. Like what makes you go, when you go home, when you're off that camera and you feel good, how you look, then just do it. Like, but it is, it's a, it's a hard, it's a hard place to be. Yeah. You really, you can't, that's just kind of the nature of reality TV. It's not designed. When, well, you can't win. I'm thinking out loud. It depends on what winning means to you. Sure. Right? Yeah.

If winning means everyone loving you and always being kind of this above the fray celebrity, that's impossible. That was my first two years you know like that's you can't win because winning in this space especially the bravo world is having that thick skin being willing to be a little messy and then you it's almost like to really be appreciated in this world you have to it takes that some time almost to like come in have the audience get to know like who you are a little bit of your background your personality your style and then you have to like somehow at some point be willing to show the dark side or the messy side or get into some sort of scandal and then how people respond to that you know and how you overcome that you know and that's where people go through

those peaks and valleys it's like why ariana is now like kind of hey people are gonna like tom sandoval in season 11 because of like no one wants to like stay consistent you know with who they root for who they cheer for the whole show is just about like yes the next drama or the next you know you know scandal and as fans all fans want to do is this commentate on your all lives, you know, because it's easier to commentate on your lives and commentate on their own, which is why people love this space so much. And it is a real burden for, you know, it's, it, it really is for all the ladies and anyone who does reality TV, but specifically the ladies of the housewives universe. Like it is, it is truly like.

Yeah. You give up a lot. You do. You get a lot too. Like it's. But it's, it's not without its immense challenges and struggles and skills. Like it takes a lot of skill to do what you guys do. I don't know how many skills, but I'm trying, I'm trying to keep up with these women and,

and no matter how tough they are on me in the past, past, I do have a very deep respect for all of them. Like, it is not easy to continue this. You know, it is not. It's not easy to put yourself, I think that's what's really hard. Because like so many times I want to go out there and be like, well, this is what happened or this is who I am. And that's when I check myself about like not going online and doing all that. Just like, you know, if I'm feeling like down, I do something else. Like I'll call my girlfriend, like, let's go play tennis or like let's like do something to distract me. And then it's over. It's like, oh, whatever happened out in the Twitter world is irrelevant. And it's also over in five minutes when they find something else.

There's always something else. There's always something else. Yes. Speaking of something else, did you see that someone from FBoy Island said they had a threesome with two of your castmates? Oh my God, thank you for reminding me of that. I forgot about that.

That was an amazing transition. It was very professional. That was a super talk show. Like, I love that. Yes. I did. You never reminded me of that. I forgot about that. Amazing transition. I was very professional. That was a super talk show. Like, I love that. Yes. I did see that. And I've gotten so many DMs about it. I don't think.

Is it you? She's not saying that. How's my poker face? Yes. It's great. I totally nailed that guy. I assume based on the girls now, I assume that it was in the past like it was a past past two cast mates there have been theories of who they are oh but i'm not gonna expect i don't

know i didn't i don't know the people so you're not what do you mean you're not gonna speculate because i don't know them like i don't know these people even better i thought he said it was two women from the that's like currently airing oh he did i said it was two women from the that's like currently airing. Oh, he did? I think it was something like from the current season or it was something like. Recent seasons, I think was what it was. Recent seasons. Recent's different than current.

Yeah. Yeah. I just couldn't remember his exact. Okay. Even though he had a threesome maybe he's not most the most tapped in Bravo fan you don't think he's watching if he fucked two of them you don't think he's an avid housewife

he definitely knows yeah I mean is there any housewives you think that would have a threesome with someone do any of your peers talk about open relationships or any type of well I remember Erica she said she had a threesome right that was but are there two like two wives that you, she said she had a threesome, right? That was...

But are there two, like, two wives that you think would sleep, like, have a threesome together? Currently? Yeah. No, but... Okay. All right, you never know who's a freak.

Gun to your head. Who do you think it would be? I mean, I'll say gun to your head these days. You're fine, I think you're fine. say gun to your head these days uh you're fine i think you're fine um guillotine to your head i'm gonna say the two people that people would dm me like was it these two i think we speculated kyle and erica oh really we just guessed yeah okay who are you gonna speculate pre because i don't think it's current. Lisa. Lisa who? Brenna. Lisa and Erica. I feel like it has to be Erica.

I feel like she's just so... Oh, I thought it was like older castmates. Is Tom still alive? I know that's a cryptic question. Sorry. Yes, he is. He is. Okay.

Like Brandy. Oh. Like that era. Oh. Well, Brandy. Well, it would definitely be Brand brandy brandy's in the running i don't know her but like that's people probably her party yeah have you do you know of any like housewives or like i always hear stories about like these like sex parties like swinger open

relationships sex parties like the secret LA in general yes I've heard of LA not housewives but you don't know anyone specifically you seem tapped in with a lot of oh I seem like a sex party tapped in sex party kind of person you might hear about thank you

you and Rob what show are you watching he's kind of like a cat he seems experimental for no reason What show are you watching about? Rob seems kind of like a cat, you know? He seems experimental. They call him the lion for no reason. He was talking to Natalie for a real long time. That's his entry point. Children's names.

Storytelling, role play. Furries. Yeah, Rob is, you know, he's an interesting man. No, I don't know about sex parties within the housewife community but I have

heard about them in the LA community yeah but the housewives community is like LA you know like they there's

there's a I think the housewives are going to the LA parties yeah it may not be Bravo only no no housewives only

I will say when I, all the sex parties that I go to, I never see my castmates. Right. Okay. All right. Thank you for being so honest with us. Right.

She's joking. Maybe. Maybe. Oh. Okay. Okay. You, you on season 12,

you know, were a little bit critical of Erica about like not knowing all the victims of her husband's crimes. Yeah. How do you feel like she is now handling the fallout of, you know, all the drama that she was a part of? Do you believe her, first and foremost foremost that she is completely innocent in terms of knowing what time was up to how is she responding to moving on with her life and do you think she is doing it with high character yeah um i can't imagine what it was like to be in her shoes at that time, that was obviously such a big thing, like well beyond the Bravo world of,

I mean, it was just huge. But I couldn't help but, I think as just a normal person, think about victims and small people, you know, small meaning like people lost lost family members and i think like in indonesia i think they were owed fifty thousand dollars i mean it's like very small money there's some horrific stuff horrific stuff and so i think it was the lack of acknowledgement that really was getting to me to where i was like i I know, I'll tell you, Erica was very protective of me

with Sutton, my first season. And you never see a second of it. Went after her, leave her still alone. She's brand new. And so I think that's probably why she was so hurt by me. I protected you and now you're coming for me. And my thing is like, I'm not trying to go for you. I want for you to express that genuine care that you showed me to help you. Like that's what I wanted for her. And so I just didn't understand why she wouldn't. So now I feel like things have settled in a place where I think she feels safer to say those things. Do I think that she was involved? No, I don't.

Do I think she turned a blind eye? Like maybe, you know? And do you feel like she did that almost because she was afraid of making a connection between her and Tom almost in a way? Like it was almost like she was so defiantly like, I had nothing to do with this. This wasn't me.

And you know, listen, she was a victim. A hundred percent. That's actually referencing what I said before. It doesn't mean that she wasn't herself a victim. You have to acknowledge her victimhood relative to more severe victims. She still was one.

Of course, I think she was being guided by her attorneys and, you know, whatever. She's obviously clear now. I'm happy that she's clear her attorneys and you know, whatever. She's obviously clear now. Yeah. I'm happy that she's clear about it and clear from it all. And I do think that this season shows a different side of her, a lighter side that like, but again, like I don't think she was involved for sure,

but I, she has a much, I I've gotten to know her a little bit. She has a much softer side than you expect side than she ever gets credit for it. A hundred percent. And, but at some point is that, you know, Erica, I'm a performer, you know, like, is that Erica just deciding not to let that part in? Or like, why does something like that get cut out?

You know, cause I don't know that that's compelling TV. You're getting picked on by Sutton and Kyle's backing her up. Why aren't they showing sides of Erica who, you know, we'll come to someone's defense. Sometimes I think now when I look back and it's like, I watch a show, like maybe there's just not enough room to show all sides of us,

you know? And I say that in like, not a blank, like it's just, it is what it is. Like I, I get a certain edit you know and maybe there's just not room and I think maybe that's what it is Erica is a very specific character on the show and that's the part that you see and but I also I mean a scale, I'm far more vulnerable than Erica. So like maybe it just the show just leans into who you are more of.

Like she's very protective of me, but she's not inherently a vulnerable person. She's not just like letting it all out there. I can be tough, but I'm not a tough person all the time. Do you think she really doesn't know how to empathize or do you think that was her being a performer? I honestly think that was performative. I don't know why she performed that, but I think she really doesn't know how to empathize or do you think that was her being a performer? I honestly think that was performative. I don't know why she performed that, but I think she's very empathetic. Yeah, she's not stupid either. She's not stupid.

She's actually very smart. And to the point where I actually said I think she's like Mensa. Like she's there's a lot to her that's brilliant. So, no, I am actually going to say no, I don't believe that she does understand. Yeah, that was a wild thing for her to say. Yeah. And surprising that she doesn't understand yeah that was a wild thing for her to say yeah it kind of in surprising that she decided to perform in that way agreed because of everything she's going through right i think maybe if she had said i wasn't able to show empathy at that time to protect myself but how do i now maybe maybe the question was like or how do i now show the girls who i am you know a more vulnerable person it was just like how do you do that at all like i don't

believe it yeah like i think the better question would have been like how can i be empathetic while also simultaneously feeling triggered by people and i feel defensive how can i do both at the same time? I feel like that would have been a more accurate question. Correct. That would have like, which I actually think is what is in her head. Yeah. But again, I, who knows how long that conversation was and that's the part they picked. Like it's just, she could have been, she could have said that cut out the other. Yeah. And I'm not privy to that either, even though I'm on the show, like I only saw what I saw. So that's the part that we get to judge and watch and that's what happens who complains

about their edit the most i don't know but i heard that the girls call a lot but i don't because i already yeah for that but i already know like rob's like it's locked in like so like i don't get i only get a day before so like i don't i'm like they're not gonna do anything about it you have some speculation about kathy a season ago where you felt like she was able to so some background i worked for bravo on your last season okay so i specifically attached to like the after show oh okay which was the season that kathy kind of like left the show and there was all that drama at least there's speculation this is like public knowledge that like Kathy contacted the producers to like change that edit or to hide like the bar footage or the footage of her like having like a meltdown okay

what do you think on like do you have an opinion I mean I'm not surprised and not just about Kathy but like anyone that doesn't want to show something um i've yet for that to happen um but if you can get it done why not i mean like if you know like get it taken out of the episode why not try yeah i don't i mean but since you were on my show last year like i feel like am i speaking truth of like the of essentially what i speculate yeah like i feel like i'm kind of getting it but like yeah i think so because there's also like who someone's probably

contacting the media at the time. Yeah all that stuff. Like who knows who it is. I mean maybe you might have speculation who you think was. I think it's Brie.

What's that? Who is it? Or who do you think? Wasn't it Rinna's camp? That's my thoughts. We just wanted you to say it. Yeah. I said it.

It's true. I don't think she would i mean maybe i don't know she denied but like you know that's what i'm saying it's like what's what is the end game i always think of for everybody right what is everyone's end game that is not my game like i'm not trying to hurt like you know is there anybody on like this season that you think that contacts the media or that no it's like you said that you know is there anybody on like this season that you think that contacts the media or that is like you said that you know of girls that contact the producers is there someone specifically that you're like they're trying to constantly kind of guide the edit you know like when like e-news runs a story a source close to the situation you're like who's a fucking sort you

know and i actually okay because i i genuinely am i don't call people i don't even know who to call i don't even talk to my producers ever like i'm really low-key where if i call like alex about something he's like why are you calling me i was like alex is our um alex basket yeah um i'm like oh no i have a question about like the lakers or something like that we you know we talk about sports um but i was like i feel weird. I called him one thing last year about something. And I was like, I'm so sorry. He's like, do you know, I get a call like every week for majority of the girls. I'm like, oh, I didn't know that. And I think there's just like, I just feel like I signed up for a job. And it's not like, and I'll tell you truthfully,

I wish I can call someone every day and be like, can you change this? But I just know you can't. So I just deal with it. But no, I don't think anyone's doing that now because it's not like you don't see much out there anymore. So I just just based on, you know, small snippets like that, I assume that no one's calling anybody. But there's nothing to call about, I would say. Not yet. Not yet. Yeah.

There will be. All right. Well, we got some more burning questions for you, but we're going to get to that after texting office hours. We're going to take a little bit break from interrogating you. And we have a caller calling in to get some relationship advice from us. And are you willing to help out, Crystal? Sure. All right.

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in a wedding coming up. Okay. Um, that's awkward. Right. And I'm assuming you want to know like how you should approach this. Is there anything to do? Yeah. I'm still very hurt by the situation. And so I'm kind of nervous that I'm going very hurt by the situation. And so I'm kind of nervous that I'm going to go into the situation poorly. All right. So first tell us about the friend breakup. What happened from your point of view? I mean, we've been attached to the hip basically since kindergarten and all through college and high school. but as we got into our twenties, um, I got very involved in my career. I was, I didn't have a ton of time for friend times, but when I, um, when I did have time, I made a point always to invite her and to be, um, to be inclusive in, um, making sure that we

kept our friendship going. Um, but I felt her pull away at a certain point. And I knew there was a problem, but she wasn't saying anything about it. And then finally, she ended up moving cities. And when I was trying to say goodbye to her, she just kind of refused to be involved with me at all. And then finally, she made a phone call to me and was even selfish recently. Of course, I asked why and give me at all. And then finally she made a phone call to me and was like, you've been selfish recently. Of course I asked why and like, give me more examples, but she couldn't give me any of those. And I, I really wanted to change my actions. But she just wouldn't really let me. And then, so we haven't spoken since. That was about two years ago. And now that you've reflected you know time has

passed do you have a better understanding of what you think she meant or are you still as confused as you were still confused i think it was more about my life choices at the time um and that she used that like kind of selfish line um so she didn't have to call me out if that makes any sense are you able to explain what you mean by that i felt like i was really growing up um we both grew up in a very catholic religious um friend group and um families but i decided to get involved in a lot of relationships. I was drinking a lot and just kind of enjoying my life and kind of getting to know myself as an adult. And like, I don't know, my body and everything is as odd as that sounds, but I don't think that she agreed with any of that and she used this particular line to um

to not have to be confrontational gotcha but maybe i'm wrong i could be wrong maybe but i think your instincts usually are right in those situations you know it makes sense you know you were your friendship was based off of this kind of lifestyle lifestyle and community and and you know most religions religions come with a lot of judgment and shame uh you chose to spread your wings so to speak she didn't like that simultaneously maybe you were acting selfish from her point of view and but yeah it probably was a combination of she didn't. It's like almost like your lifestyle choices made her think it wasn't a friendship worth fighting for, you know. Or she was judging herself or maybe, you know, sometimes I feel like it's easy for someone to judge you. But actually, it triggers and sparks something internal in them of what maybe they wish they had or

or maybe she was jealous of your freedom, you know, and she was projecting that onto you. By the way, I have to commend you for being so open and honest about, you know, about why you think she called you selfish. And I think that is your maturity of growing into, you know, as you said, an adult to really recognize, you know, where you are at. And, yeah, I think it's kind of amazing. My next question is the friend who's getting married. Is she aware of this? Oh, yeah. She is. Okay.

And I even called her like when it happened of like, hey, can you tell me maybe ways that I have been self-punished or that I have been acting out so that I can understand it more? She was one of the few people I told about the situation. And she's hoping that this wedding will bring us together. But I'm like, oh, I don't know if that's going to happen. So she actually has a thought of this wedding actually being kind of some sort of reconciliation between you two? Yes. Why is she waiting for the wedding like and also by the way are there bachelorette parties bridal showers like how all of that there's all of that it's gonna be weekends of like girls weekends basically oh okay yeah so more than just the wedding well have you thought about reaching out i think that's where i i guess i wanted to get your opinion on that of like should i reach

out to her and try to clear the air beforehand um i'm kind of scared it's gonna hurt the situation more and why why do you think that i just don't think she's going to be receptive to anything that I say. I don't know, but maybe I'm just thinking too hard on it. I think if you go into it, a conversation with her and keep it not like, let's fix our friendship now before we go into all of this and keep it more so just like, obviously, we haven't spoken in two years i just want to like make sure there's no bad blood no hard feelings that like we can really keep the focus on our friend who like this is about her you know like i don't want to make this about us so i just like wanted to make sure

we're good and we're adults and like we can be you know we don't we're not going to fight it's not going to be awkward we're not going to make anything uncomfortable for anyone else and then less so about like let's fix our friendship right now. Is there like a middle ground, though? I OK, I agree with that. I think I think a text, you know, beforehand is something I would do to clear the air and at least like break the ice. I wouldn't necessarily focus so much on the negative of like, let's not fight at this thing. I think. Yeah.

Cause then you're kind of assuming. Yeah. I personally, I would start just with, I'm looking forward to seeing you. It's been a very long time. I'm so excited. We're going to be there to celebrate our bubble, a friend. And I hope that we're going to have a chance to sit down and talk together. It's just been a long time.

Just like ease into it. Because here's the thing. If she's not going to be receptive to that, she's going to be terrible the whole time anyway. And in that case, there's nothing you could do. And you've been the bigger person to begin with. You've stepped up. I mean, I'm someone that likes resolution. But you can't force that on someone either.

That's not something you could hope for. But you also can't expect that. If she doesn't want that, then she can't force that on someone either that's not something you should you could hope for but you also can't expect that if she doesn't want that she doesn't want that but i would approach it in a very soft and um sort of easy to receive way because if she i would not go to the net i wouldn't lean into the negative personally how much uh are you like subconsciously or consciously worried about more judgment and shame from her? she's going to hear these kinds of things. And I think there's going to be continued shame from her side, if that truly is the, the reason. And I'm kind of more scared that I'm going to react poorly just because I'm a conversation doesn't bother me necessarily.

And so, and I truly want to enjoy the weekends. I'm really looking forward to it. Your friend who's getting married, are they that devout as well? No, and that's what's frustrating. Okay, so then it's definitely not that much. I mean, again, my guess is maybe she did use that as an excuse. Your gut's probably right. She was clearly frustrated with your friendship

and what she thought you owed her as a friend. And like I said, in addition to that, whatever choices you made, maybe she used that as a convenient excuse to step away from the friendship. If she's going to come in like that pious and critical of, because you live with your boyfriend when she's standing up in a wedding where that other friend's making similar choices to you just doesn't track. Right. But maybe I really was being selfish. I don't know. And I guess that's why I'm frustrated at the whole thing. I'll probably be just as reactive if something was to go wrong. You know, after a couple of glasses of champagne, I don't mind confrontation either. And so I'm kind of, I'm nervous about both ways, but I know I need to

handle it as softly as possible. I'm just going to say, I think the first thing, the primary focus is your friend who's getting married. You know, like your nerves are totally valid and should be addressed. And I do genuinely hope that you guys can end up having a great time and even, you know, get to a better place. But this is really about your friend and like the memories that she has. And as you know, stepping up for her as a good friend and unselfish friend is providing her and a great wedding experience as a bridesmaid. Yeah. And that can help you protect yourself from overreacting. And, you know, you have you can't control her, but that, you know, you do have some genuine fears about like getting a little loose. And then she says something or does something that triggers you and you're kind of like fuck it i'm gonna let you you know and to crystal's point not that's not the time to make you know uh that moment about about you yeah i think you send a text and it says

something like you know hey babe or i don't know how you refer to her hey girl i don't i don't know what do girls call each other hey friend hey you know i don't know. What do girls call each other? Hey, friend. Hey, cat. I don't know. Just say hey. Like, I wanted to reach out because I know we're both standing up in so-and-so's wedding. It's been definitely weighing on my mind since we lost touch.

But I just want to say, I'm excited to see you. I miss you, and I miss your friendship. I don't know if we'll ever have, um, what we had in the past, but just know that like, I am looking forward to seeing you. And I hope that we can have a ton of fun celebrating the bride, you know, and really looking forward to it. And if you ever want to, you know, reconnect, let me know, just kind of

keep that open, like very much take the high road yeah make it positive you're excited to see her i hope we can reconnect because you're kind of you're you're laying the groundwork that maybe there's a conversation that needs to happen and you're open to having it but you're not necessarily the one who is insisting on having it because you you want to also act like you've accepted her decision and you're not pining over it but you are a big enough person to acknowledge that you do miss her and you miss the friendship you know that makes sense the uh the last time i texted her was kind of just a lot of questions to help get closure and she left you on read she said thanks for sending this and she never responded after that um so i'm always worried that text isn't even going to.

You might not get the response that you're hoping for, but she will. She will read that text. Yeah. Don't send it waiting for a response. Yeah. A was a while ago. Maybe, you know, her eye messages don't save past a month. I don't, you know, I don't know. You have no idea, but like, just because, and even if it's there waiting for her to be reminded of the texts you sent, like it has been a long time. Feelings have changed. For all you know, she misses you as much as you miss her and her pride is getting in the way from reconnecting and ultimately maybe her life's fine enough or she hasn't like really needed to reach out so you know but i just

think a really soft open-ended hey i know we're gonna both be here and i honestly i'm looking forward to it and i am excited to see you but more importantly i'm looking forward to all of us having fun, being there for our bride. And I can't wait to see you. And yes, like Natalie and Crystal said, have no expectations, because it's those expectations that are going to trigger you. As soon as you start thinking, well, she should respond this way. This is what she should do. She owes me this. She owes me that. Then you are going to be so invested in everything she does or says that you won't be present and you won't be having fun. And just feel confident you took the high road and then let her handle it however she wants to handle it. out the first time it was happening and like she was accusing you of things that I'm sure, you know, like triggering. And it's like, especially when you're talking about shame and stuff like that stuff cuts really deep. It makes sense to get emotional. Like,

I don't know what you found was the most effective, like support for that. But I think like having something in mind where like, OK, if worst case scenario, like she's making jabs at dinner in front of everyone, like what is my backup plan for like when I get back to my hotel room? Do I have someone I can text or like call? Like what's the like when I get back to my hotel room do I have someone I can text or like call like what's the way that I can maximize being present and being there while also knowing that like I kind of have this lifeline to call in of like if you just need someone who's going to hear your point of view and validate where you're coming from and like making sure you can get that so that way it doesn't turn into kind of like a more confrontational interaction

in the moment yeah I think you're right I can't go into it of like the confrontation is even an option. And it's not you like being meek or like lying down and taking it. Like it's you being someone who has perspective in that moment. I think like really clinging to the fact that this is not like you not standing up for yourself. This is you like not engaging in something that could only go badly. And I don't think it would hurt once you send that message to like almost like let the bride up for yourself. This is you like not engaging in something that could only go badly. And I don't think it would hurt once you send that message to like almost like let the bride know it's just like, hey, I'm really looking for the bachelorette party just so you know, because she's aware of the drama. Like I reached out to so and so. This is what I said. I'm really hoping that, you know, it is like a nice moment for us. And then you tell the bride, I really

want to make this about you no matter what happens between me and her, my goal is to be there for you as your bridesmaid. But like, I just wanted to extend that olive branch to her just to, you know, and I think that will help, you know, help you get on, not necessarily get on the bride's good side, but she knows that your intention is to take the high road so that if she, you know, the other friend acts out and makes some of these comments that like, as long as you don't respond, you're, you're kind of in the clear. Yeah. That's great advice. When does the event start? Yeah. February.

Okay. So you got some time, but it's coming up. Yeah. Right. It's, it's going to go fast, but there's three weekends of events. So I think I need to, at least in the text before the new year and see what happens. There you go. Again, just think about taking the high road. It's pleasantries. You're excited to see her. Don't ask. But I think you want to give off the impression that you've accepted her decisions from the past. You're not looking for answers. You're not looking for her validation. You're just like, hey, yeah, of course I miss it and maybe in the future but i just want to reach out because we

haven't talked in a while and obviously we have this coming up but i want her wondering if you still give a shit that she broke up with you in a way you're right i'm not very good at the pleasantries but i am going to make that a priority. Yeah. You'll be great. Sometimes it just might have to be pleasant. That'll be, that'll surprise her. You know, like, you know, she will, it's been a couple of years. So, you know, you, you sending a message that she's not expecting to get is exactly what you want. That's very true.

All right. Well, keep us posted come February, or if you do send it before and she does reply, we would love to hear an update. Yeah. Thank you so much for your time. All right. Thank you. All right.

Good luck. Bye. Thank you. Have you ever had to try to break up with a friend or have a friend break up with you, Crystal? Yeah. 14 friends. Yes. My 14 friends.

Well, I arbitrarily said 14 and then it became like this. Because I said it because I actually said to Rina. I had lunch with her after my first season. And she was like, how's it going? How was your first year? I was like, it's hard. You know, I have like, I could have said a million. I think it was like 14 friends.

And then she brought it up on camera. Yeah. How did that go? She brought something you had privately said at lunch. Yeah. Well, she was asking me how the show was going for me. And I had some fallout because I did the show. And it was very challenging for me.

Fallout with your inner circle. Yeah. Stuff like this triggers people in a way that you would never know until it happens. You can't anticipate it. in a way that you would never know until it happens. Like you can't anticipate it. I was already going through my own like fears about doing the show, let alone like outside people's feelings about it. And so that happened.

And I just shared with her and she's was very supportive and said, you know, it happens to everybody and every season you continue, it'll still happen. You'll feel good. And then it came up and I was paralyzed and I couldn't even talk about it because it was still i felt i still was like in it my friends are really important to me like i'm very social i like to like you know i work really hard with my friends so like that was so just hearing your caller ask how to fall out i'm like

i feel that you know and like but i always try to take the high road in every way. And I work very hard to like mend things. And when they, but I do reach a point where I know that if I've done everything I can and it doesn't work, like I can let it go. just like a them problem. And it's like you've reached out as much as you can. You've been you've tried to be the friend that like you want them to be. But it's like if it's not being reciprocated, it's like, OK, you know what? Like I've done my part. Maybe it's just a you problem. But I I will go to the end. Yeah.

I will spend years to figure it out, too. And it's just inherently I'm a people pleaser. I like to be liked and like so. But if once I reach the end, I will. It's like it out too. And it's just inherently I'm a people pleaser. I like to be liked and like so. But if once I reach the end, I will, it's like, it's over. Did you ever confront Lisa off camera about kind of bringing in your personal drama that you shared with her privately onto the show?

I didn't confront her about it. I think because it died off because I didn't engage with it. I think she then knew I wasn't going to talk about it. And it just never went anywhere. I think people are like, what happened? It was like, it was like one episode because it was so, I think she probably looked at me like it was so paralyzing for me. And then I just didn't say anything.

I just, because I wasn't, I was not aware of how I was feeling about it yet. I was so in it. So, but no, I never was feeling about it yet. I was so in it. But no, I never confronted her about it. You don't think it was malicious? Do you ever feel like people are meeting with you? It's a show. It was fair game.

Now, on this side of it, I shared it with her. Fair game. So that's how that works. Even if you have a private lunch. I'm not like that. I don't do that do that ever and you think there are housewives who will ask you out or not maybe you or maybe you or other people for like drinks or dinner or lunch because they're they're kind of working you rather than having like a sincere lunch because they're always on no no that would be so fucked up and weird that would be it's a business yeah like because you you don't get together while you're filming you're not allowed to

because it will like let's say you and i are having a fight right and then we go out to lunch off camera and we make up and then the next day we film it sequentially doesn't like make sense so you're like not allowed to do that so if i see someone off camera it's going to be between seasons and if they're trying to that means they're really planning the next season like that would be really weird and intentional so i've never i that's never happened to know huh i don't think you're really not allowed to hang out but by the way maybe we had lunch and she was trying to get stuff for me and then it came up. So like, I don't know. I'm just naive. Maybe it's not like as malicious as it is.

Again, like some people. It was fair game. Don't see the boundary, so to speak. Yeah. Or maybe that's. But or everyone's boundaries are different. Right. And I wouldn't.

But she brought it up and I was like, OK. And then that's what happened. So. But it's funny now thinking about it. And I wouldn't, but she brought it up and then was like, okay. And then that's what happened. So, but it's funny now thinking about it. Like it's not that big of a deal, but it was for me at the time. It really was a big deal for me. It was very painful. What kind of drama can we be kind of looking forward to for the rest of the season?

It's so funny. Like the last two years I hated watching every episode. I'm like, oh, I hate when I get into drama. Now I'm like, it's because I'm enjoying the season it's funny there's it shifts like i feel like the last it's been six or seven episodes has been kind of consistent in one thing and it's a lot of sudden a lot of kyle yes it's going to shift into other things as i think a successful show should because i'm kind of sick of watching like i'm kind of done with that deal personally and then it shifts again and i'm i'm involved a lot any like any any anything you can share yeah i will just say i'm like i'm being very honest whatever anyone wants to say I am genuinely being honest so there's gonna be a lot of people that try to discredit me to keep that in mind yes which is

fine because that's what the show is right honest yeah I can only speak for myself so I'm just I go to bed at night knowing I like feeling we've so long to wait yeah it's not that long but it's like where the last two years I've always like it I hated people anyone thinking that I was not being honest or like now I don't care it doesn't matter to me anymore but like that's my growth of the show and as a person like not caring so much what people think but so if people think like I'm not telling you I really don't care but I know I am and it's funny so have you um worn the ugly leather pants again or no they are so special that my husband will not let me wear them he wants to make sure he checks in with me

every few months do you know where they are i'm like yes they're in it's like you you know it's like when people like put their wedding dresses it's like yeah he like wants to do that with these pants and he's like he he just thinks they're so iconic in a way that's like unnatural honestly they kind of are yeah he like loves these pants so much so no i haven't them, but they are very safe. Almost like jewelry. They're just hidden somewhere. In a vault.

In a vault. Yes. What was the question you asked Crystal about other castmates? Yeah, no, we had a brief conversation off camera where we were talking about your growth on the show and how you kind of entered the show and had commentary on your asian american experience but sometimes in other shows you kind of get typecasted and you're kind of restricted to racial commentary yeah but you have like escaped that which is such like a powerful thing on the show thank you but then at the same time you're kind of carrying a torch of representing yeah the asian american experience in a positive light

in comparison to other franchises on Bravo. And you had some like takes on that. So when I started the show, I remember how scared I was because I felt the weight of the world, Asian world was on my shoulders. And I remember just constantly asking Rob, like, how am I going to represent properly? He's like, you can't. Like, you can only represent yourself. You're an individual person.

That's not your job. But I felt it was. And I was very scared to do it. In fact, I was like, I don't think I, I knew that if I didn't say yes to the show, there was likely not going to be another Asian person behind me next. And I'm like, that's another person who won't be on the show. Fast forward today, it's like, I love it. I mean, I'm, I've always been very proud to be Asian, but I, I'm, I want more Asian people on the network. I want more Asian people on media. You know, there's a lot of like chatter of like, Oh, does she like being the only one? I'm like, no, I don't. I really don't. I would love if there was a show of just an asian

cast and you know um that being said it's been hard because there have been past the only other handful of um other than tiffany moon asian cast members and there's jessel who's um but like east asian i'm saying um who have been on the show that have been problematic and it's very sad for me because that's not what I want. I don't want to be a lone wolf in the situation. Like Jen. Like Jen and Jenny Nguyen. Jenny, yeah.

Who had, you know, very problematic takes from my perspective. And that was very disappointing. It was heartbreaking, actually, for me. That was very disappointing. I was heartbreaking actually for me. So I do hope that we will find more better representation and doesn't have to be. We're not we're not linear, not singular type of people, but ones that really represent Asian community in a better way. Because I'm very proud of my community.

Extremely proud. We had Olivia Flowers on here. Oh, yeah. A week ago. I heard about who she was. She talked some shit. A week ago. Yeah, she accused you of being rude.

I heard that. Yeah, what was that about? I don't know who she is. And let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. Please. I literally, so my glam team, they text, I was like, they were like, did you see this?

I was like, I don't know who that is. And I feel bad. They sent me a picture that she took with, she asked me to take a photo with her a year ago. Olivia. Yeah. And I was like, oh, so I think she's mad that I took a picture with her. And maybe I didn't recognize her at BravoCon, which is not rude. There's a lot of people that don't know who I am.

I'm not like, you're rude. You should know who I am. I'm with you on that i'm like i genuinely i don't i don't watch the shows so like if i don't recognize you that's not a call like that's an that's an ego driven thing like that's not has nothing to do with me that's everything with her like i'm not a rude person and any like i really work hard to be like polite and so you didn't meet her expectations and her expectations were, you should recognize me. You should recognize her.

That's what I'm assuming. Cause I literally could never pick out her lineup today. I have no idea who she is. I haven't talked to her about, I didn't, I didn't, I've become aware of this after we interviewed her, but my guess is she probably thinks that you treated her like a fan. Okay. So you hit the nail on the head. You didn't know who she was so you probably did

you hit the nail on the head so that picture my team reminded me of so there's a picture of me and her and another girl again she might be on the show i have no idea anybody was she also blonde i don't even i actually have the picture i don't know at that time these two girls came up to me and said oh we said hide outside. And we think that you think we're fans, but we're on the network. I said, oh. And they said, can we take a picture with you? I said, great. Sure. Hi. I think so. That's exactly what it is. So I didn't recognize her again this year, whether she said hello to me or in passing. But I can't control who I don't know. But I treat fans, I treat friends, I treat anyone on the network the same. You don't get an extra bump because you're on the network. I'm going to

be polite to you no matter what. I'm not going to be like over the top if you're on the show, and I'm not going to treat a fan below me. Like at the end of the day, three years ago, I was not on TV. I was just like a mom from the valley. Like no one needs to treat me better than anybody else. So like, I just don't know who this person is straight up. I would never know who she is today. And that's not a dig on her or anybody that I don't know. So I genuinely think that's what it is. Like she wanted to be recognized by me and I didn't recognize her. And so therefore I become a rude person. Next time, don't. Maybe like a note for Olivia.

And I thought Olivia was very sweet, but maybe don't out someone on Instagram because they're going to go on a podcast and say, I don't know who she is 19 times. Sorry, I'm just saying genuinely. It's like such a genuine response. I resonate with your answer. I couldn't agree more and you think

about bravo con and and you just think about the bravo universe for what it is they have so many shows and not everyone watches all these shows in fact a lot of people maybe not don't watch any of them correct i don't watch any of them i know who like ogs are sure i get pushed more housewife stuff to me and like just by nature but like i get like when people come up to me and like, oh, what do you do? I'm like, I have my coconut. I have the, and I'm on the show. They're like, oh, sorry, I don't watch a show. And I'm like, why are you apologizing? Like, I don't watch 99% of television. I don't, you don't need to recognize me just because I happen to be on a reality show. Like that's absurd. just because I happen to be on a reality show. Like, that's absurd. So I find it mind-boggling that anyone has those expectations of other people. And so I think that is the only thing I can think of because...

No, that's exactly what it is. Okay. Yeah, it must be. Yeah, and it makes sense. I mean, because Bravo, it's like... Did she say I was rude here? No, no, we didn't ask her about it. I didn't know about it. But had you come on we we did our homework and found out that she it was an

instagram comment yeah on an e-news article it was on any e-news article she publicly outed you quoted oh yeah yeah that some of the new york house by the way they weren't rude oh i want to clarify the new york girls were not rude to me he asked me was anyone i just i just noticed that there was kind of you know people were a little more dismissive but they were not rude to me. He asked me, I just noticed that there was kind of, you know, people were a little more dismissive, but they weren't rude to me directly. I was just commenting on what I saw. And then, yes, that's it.

What did you see? That people were like being rude, like not as friendly as they should have been. Who? I'm not, shut up. So I'm not going to, we're killing this whole, I mean, this is going on forever of someone I don't know. True. Well, on the flip on forever, of someone I don't know. True.

Well, on the flip of that, is there someone, like, are there Bravo lebs that you would want to meet or that you are avidly kind of reaching out to? How sweet you are. Like, this is what I'm talking about.

He's a very sweet boy. I try. He's sweet. You have a show to do. You got a job. I actually was very intentional at BravoCon this year of engaging with people on Bravo.

Because last year I did my first one, but I could only go one day. So I felt so disconnected. I had to fly home for my cousin's wedding. So I was there. I was meeting all these people and walking by and didn't know anyone. And I just swooped in and swooped out. So I just felt like not part of the Bravo community. So this year I was like downstairs in the lobby,

hanging out with people, getting to know people. And I really like, like Heather was one of them who I just adored. I really loved Candice. She's so cool. I just like so many, just like Dorinda, I loved. Oh, fun. Yeah, she's like a mama bear.

It's like just so warm um yeah i just really like enjoyed my experience there so you know some of the things i don't know them like whatever get over it get over it still don't know you i don't want to know i mean if she's gonna make a public instagram comment like that you deserve to be able to say why. Yeah. That's why. That's my only speculation. I'm like, whatever.

Like, you can't be butthurt because not the whole world knows who you are. Sorry. Is that rude? That's rude. No, I completely agree with you. Thank you. Yeah. It makes total sense

and she kind of set herself up but we love Olivia rookie mistake whoever she is we're going to make a clip of Crystal saying I don't know who she is over and over

we love her too whoever she is what Whoever she is. What show is she on? Southern Charm. Southern Charm. Oh, I met the, I think she's like the lead on that show.

She has immersed herself in a bit of a scandal. Not her. No, no, no. She met someone else. Oh, Taylor? No. Is she older?

Oh, yeah. Leva? Leva. She's like the Lisa of Southern Charm. Yeah, I met her at BravaCon. Lovely. See? I know shows. She's like the Lisa of Southern Charlotte. Yeah, I met her at BravoCon. Lovely. See?

I know shows. She's like the Lisa Vanderpump of... Yeah. That's the only person I know from that show, but she was lovely. Very cool. Are you laughing? No, I'm not.

I love this world. It's great. It's fun. It's so messy. Yeah, because I truly think, I don't know, after being in the same room as Olivia and you, I think you guys would really,

I feel like you both have similar levels of integrity and values. So it's funny because it's so true where people who, in so many contexts, would get along

and then it's like the world of Bravo is meant to be this crazy drama cooker. I know, but I don't feel like it should be between other shows. This is real life,

real world stuff. We're just on the same network. Right. I mean, but I don't feel like it should be between other shows. This is real-world stuff. We're just on the same network. The reality is that she probably is, on some level, a fan of yours. And that's kind of how that works. And when you're a fan of someone and you say, hey, I'm a fan, or in her case, she doesn't want to necessarily be thought of as a fan, there is a level of, well, you kind of owe me for that. You know, then that actually makes me feel bad. I mean, like we're making fun of the situation. I, but you didn't know who she was. I didn't, but she's the one who, you know, she could have, she could have messaged you or something. I mean, that was her choice.

Yeah, like, oh, we met last year or something. Like she, but she had said it last year to me from the, based on the picture that I have is like, that's the girl that said, oh, we're not fans. You don't remember. I don't remember. I don't remember. It was a very fast, you know, I don't watch the show. So I, but I, the last thing I would ever want fan anyone on that or anybody is that they would feel dismissed by me. That is not, that is not something that I would ever want anyone to ever feel.

That is never my intention. So I feel bad that anyone would take away that experience from me. I just genuinely was unable to give her what she wanted, if that's what she wanted. Do you know what I mean? It's an impossible situation for me. She might respond and say, you cut her in line or you slam the door in her face.

But by the way, that would actually then then there's an answer. Right. Yeah. Like in that case, I would say I'm sorry for that. You know, I guarantee you she like saw you in passing or saw you and you from her point of view were dismissive because as you said, you didn't know who she was. So you didn't know you were being dismissive because as you said you didn't know who she was so you didn't know you were being dismissive and she had an expectation that you would say hey again should have known who she was and you didn't and and she found that rude anyway i'm glad we cleared it up yeah i um team

crystal on that one it's not there's teams but like I don't know. It is what it is. It's all for fun. You can't have fun talking about Bravo. I do. I actually really don't. It's an absurd concept. What can you do? Do we have anything left for Crystal before we let her go? Who else called me? I was wondering, with the impending

baby, if you have a lesson from parenting that you learned the hard way or a piece of advice that you feel like is not necessarily out there in the world. Wow. Okay. So my best friend is having his second child. Oh no, just had his second child a week ago. So I was over there yesterday and I was sitting with his wife and I was just like, you know, how much you learn from second kids the first and how much easier it is and like i just hope like be easy on yourself because i think that everyone is everyone i think you discover to be easier on yourself with your second kid because you suffer so much with the first

like i hope for you not to suffer so much like i suffered a lot because I wanted to do everything right there's so much pressure when you do like baby classes I'm like who's still breastfeeding and who's all you start to compare of like and that and it really messes with like how good of a mommy or how much how much sacrifice you're making right comparatively And I don't do that because no one gets a trophy at the end of it. And the trophy is your child being a happier baby because you're happier. So like if let's say breastfeeding because that was I killed myself for six months. It was so horrible for me. And I did it. And I and it was like, I just didn't want to say I stopped to the world. Right. And it's like at the end, my kids freaking eat mac and cheese all day.

Like it doesn't really like formula is fine. It's like not a big deal. But like, just be easy on yourself. And also know that for a while you won't feel like yourself, but you will come back to yourself and better. Like I feel better in my body despite my other stuff than i did before and it takes time so allow yourself to go through those emotions feeling down feeling like this is not what i'm used to having hard nights because you will get out of it and um and just remember that like there is light at the end of the tunnel. Okay. Thank you for that. So generous.

Like I said, take it easy and you're going to have meltdowns. You're going to cry and you're it's the, the hormones are, are real thing. Yeah. That's not. Did you have any meltdowns? Because people keep asking us about that in terms of like, from the pregnancy standpoint, now it's really been a delight. I've, I had a great pregnancy.

I had to say, I have a great pregnancy. Having the baby was very tough for me. I think cause I was so scared of like, like death and like all, like I didn't know what to do with Max. Like I, you know, and I had a baby nurse,

even so it was still so scary. And I just think it's like, they're going to be fine and you're going to be fine. But you will have hormonal and non-hormonal breakdowns. It's very normal, you know, and I isolated myself a lot from my friends. I just like, it was very tough for me. If you want to share, like your friends will listen to you, you know what I mean? And you can call me like if you're like really losing it like it's hard

you will get out of it and it'll be so great what advice do you have for me be easy on her no problem um i remember rob was like he felt more i think he felt bad because he felt like he couldn't help me you know and just by being there and it's like'm here if you need like that, just be a great support. You're going to like you're going to love it. Sleep deprived is actually like one of the biggest forms of torture. So like you'll be tortured without sleep. You'll get your sleep back. Do you guys have a snoo?

We have the four moms one that. Okay, but the sleeping best. Yes. If you want to know, I'll get you one. I'm the first investor. So I... Yes. If you want a snoo, I'll get you one. I'm the first investor, so that's my thing. Okay, great. Snoo, so I'll send you one. Do people realize how successful of a businesswoman you are?

No, but that's okay. I don't care because I just live my... That's okay. I don't care. I don't care. I really don't. But that was a little snoo plug because I love them. I don't own it, but they're my best friends.

Okay, we'd love, yeah. And I will get you a snoo. It will help you so much, I promise. And I didn't have a snoo at the time because we were still in prototype with zoe um but it's it's a good one you can delete all that if you want okay no no that's great plug away now nick tried to leave me the other night and i had a breakdown what when you tried to go to that event and i was like you're leaving me and i just missed you and i don't want you to go and you were like why are you crying and i was like i don't know i wasn't trying to leave her she didn't want to go to event and i was like well i should still

pop in yeah be easy on each other i did not pop you know be easy on each other like and you're gonna there's gonna be moments you're gonna to feel like abandoned, especially with a baby. Like if he has to go to work and stuff like that. I remember like Rob would leave and I was like, I'm all alone here. What do you, you know, scared. It gets better. And I just, I say that not to scare you. I say that to manage your expectations.

Right, right. Because people are like, oh, it's like heaven when it happens. Like, and it is for some people. Like I see my friends who just lean in hard and they're like, this is the battle. I can't take it. I love it so much. I'm like, whoa, that wasn't it for me. And if it is for you, thank God, then you just erase everything I'm saying. But for me, it was tough. And it like is so great now. Like it's so my kids are so awesome. It's so fun. Like it's the best ever. And it gets amazing. Like it's really my kids are so awesome it's so fun like it's the best ever and it gets amazing like it's really really fun thank you i'm excited that was i i do appreciate the like the truth you know yeah because a lot of people are just like oh it's so amazing just like enjoy every moment it's like yeah but it it sets it sets you up to feel like a failure. Right. And that's how I felt. Like, I'm like, why am I not feeling great? Why am I not in heaven? Am I a bad parent?

Am I not getting this? Like, that was the problem. And I was like, no, it's like, that's what I'm saying. Forgive yourself. Be easy because it's a challenge. It's brand new. It's unlike anything you'll experience.

But at some point, whether it's day one or day a thousand, it'll get better and it'll get great. And it's awesome. Yay. Thanks. How many businesses are you involved in? Well, the stew was an awesome one. It was our friend Harvey Karp. He wrote Happy Baby on the Block.

That's like a really famous book. He was like the Oprah baby. And we're very good friends. And he's like, I'm thinking about doing this bassinet. And he like drew it on a cocktail napkin. And he drew of an oval. And he goes, that's the bassinet. And we're like, okay, we'll invest.

We'll invest. We'll do it. And here we are today. But no, I own Real Coco with my brother and my best friend, Brian, who is the person who just had the baby. Oh, amazing. We start. So we all went to Chaminade in the valley high

school uh together and then um we started the company about 13 years ago in asia and um and we were like it's it's not that you know when i say it's like a we were we were a large company but we also white label for big companies so um by volume, we're like the second largest organic coconut water company right now in the world. Very proud of that number. Over like 200 million bottles sold. Okay. Sorry.

Thank you. Sorry. Thank you. And yeah, we're just really proud of it. Like we have 40 farms in Thailand and Vietnam. We actually just took the kids to Thailand and Cambodia in August. So they got to go see the farms, which is really fun. And we have coconut waters. We have coconut milks. We're starting another line of coconut products. best plant-based product because all our water is recycled. We don't use any sprinklers. And all our farms are owned by the private families. We do not buy it from them. We want to keep it in their families. We just essentially buy all their products, you know, all their coconuts.

Yes. And like they, yeah. So it's been, it's amazing to support Asian families and have an Asian-based, Asia-based company. So So yeah, we started that a long time ago. It's been really fun. I'm going to plug this. I'm actually doing an Asian night market at Sportsman's Lodge. Yeah. You know where that is? Oh, yeah, yeah.

So I'm doing that December 15th and 16th, Friday, Saturday night. My brother and I are starting a new dumpling company. So we're going to launch it there. Ooh, we love a dumpling. So you can buy frozen there. I'm going gonna open up my instagram a new instagram page soon and start promote it's like in two weeks i'm gonna start promoting how can people learn more on my instagram crystal kong minkoff and then i'll link it to like

a new page and then we'll do frozen and we're gonna but the night market we're gonna like we have like a cool boba company we have like different things and it'll just be two nights and if it's successful we'll keep going we're calling it kung dumpling company me my brother um just like just like a fun thing like there's not enough asian night markets out here and like that's how we grew up like we went we spent our summers in taiwan and the kids this summer were like loved it they just you know every in thailand everything's like a dollar trying all these different foods. We just literally made it up. We came back from summer break. We're like, let's just do one.

My friends happened to own the complex and I called her. I was like, can we do this? She's like, yeah. It's going to be in a couple weeks. It will come. That's another new business. That's it. That's all I really do. What's your Din Tai Fung order?

I have a big order. business. But that's it. That's all I really do. What's your Din Tai Fung order? Okay. I have a big order. But I always do a classic shallon ball with pork. I love their spare ribs. It's like sweet and sticky. Oh, we need to try those. Oh, yeah. And they do a great Taiwanese cucumber. I make that on my

Instagram. It's such a humble Taiwanese dish. My mom is Taiwanese, so I love Din Tai Fung. I make that on my Instagram. It's such a humble Taiwanese dish. So my mom is Taiwanese. So I loved in Taiwan. I grew up eating there. So they had the original one in Arcadia, like a hole in the wall years ago, right? And that's where my grandparents moved to. They moved to Monterey Park when they emigrated to the States. So my whole life was really in San Gabriel Valley. But yeah, I would order that. I love their, I actually love their rice. I am a rice eater.

They're right there, like their fried rice. What about their rice cakes? Always. Always. I love those. Natalie's like on the fence. She likes to eat. Is it too chewy?

It's like mochi. It's just, it's, they're fine. I just like the spicy chicken wontons. That's better. Oh wait. Well, okay. So if you're picking, I just like the spicy chicken wontons better. Oh, wait. Well, okay. If you're picking, I'm picking those. The spicy.

Yeah, people love those. I'm like. Nick likes them with shrimp. I don't like shrimp. The shrimp and pork ones. Wait, why do you shrug at that? That's weird. It's because everyone loves them and I just think they're fine.

Oh, so you're just one of those kind of people. Yeah. He just likes to be different. I like them. No, I like them. He's just quirky. No, they're amazing. Yeah. The sauce is really good.

I just, the wontons, I'm like. Yeah. And we're going to do the sauce line too for dumplings. Yeah.

I'll send you guys one when we're finished with packaging. That's cute. So Rob actually created the logo for me. He did an animated characters of me

and my brother as kids. Stop. Yeah. That's awesome. That's really cute. That's so fun. This is the first time I'm even talking about it. It's like in two weeks. I don't even brother as kids. Stop. That's awesome. That's so fun. This is the first time I'm even talking about it. It's like in two weeks. I don't even...

Okay, well in two weeks, everyone circle back. Come to Studio City. It's a lovely place if you haven't been. It's like perfect. It's like the best. We're going to do Friday, Saturday, like 5 to 10 p.m. So it's like very family friendly. Bring your kids. We'll have a bar there too.

Yeah. Yay. Okay, we're coming. We'll come and support. We invited ourselves. I love it. Okay, there's no more businesses that I want to talk about.

All right, Crystal. It's been an absolute pleasure. Thank you for having me. Thank you for coming. I know you plugged some of your stuff, but please let our audience know where they can find you, follow you, all that fun stuff. I'm at CrystalKangMinkoff

on all platforms I will have a YouTube very soon I'm just lazy I'll make a cooking channel thing Okay, channel You're unstoppable Yeah, I just was like, you know when my kids are growing up

I'm getting busier and busier Finding more hobbies, I just was like, you know, when my kids are growing up, I'm getting busier and busier. So finding more hobbies. Yeah, I love it. All right. Well, thanks for listening, guys. Don't forget to send in those questions at asknickatthevilefiles.com for all things texting, office hours, sweat in the wedding, mediation, ask Nick, all of the above. Again, thank you to Crystal for joining us.

It was a wonderful chat. We will see you back on Monday for another episode of Ask Nick. And don't forget to check out all our other episodes like Reality Recap, Ask Nick that we dropped this week. If you're tuning in for the first time to hear Crystal, welcome. Stick around. There's a lot more stuff out there. Bye.