The Viall Files - E679 Reality Recap - Taylor vs. Kim, BIP Finale, Matt Rife, and VPR Season 11 with Charli Burnett

Episode Date: December 12, 2023

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap Edition! Today we are joined by Charli Burnett to talk about all things reality TV. First, we talk about Nick’s upcoming Bachelor Party and Natalie’s pregnancy. Then, we talk about the Taylor Swift and Kim Kardashian feud, comparing how Taylor currently feels and what Kim said four years ago. Then, we talk about the Bachelor in Paradise finale and the recent break up between Kylee and Aven over multiple infidelities. Next, we touch on Matt Rife’s recent comedy special and going after a six year old on TikTok. Charli then gives us her thoughts on Vanderpump Rules Season 11 before we talk about Real Housewives.  “I have a lot of friends, so one of them is always on The Bachelor.” Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: FirstLeaf - Find the wine you’ll love this holiday season with FirstLeaf. Go to https://www.TryFirstleaf.com/VIALL to sign up and you’ll get your first SIX hand-curated bottles for just $44.95. OneSkin - It’s time to get started with your new face, eye, and body routine at a discounted rate today! New customers get 15% off with the code VIALL  at https://www.oneskin.co  Quince - Make gift giving better this year with Quince. Go to https://www.Quince.com/viall for free shipping and 365-day returns on your order.  IQ Bar - Refuel smarter with IQBAR’s Ultimate Sampler Pack. That’s 7 IQBARs, 4 IQMIX sticks, and 4 IQJOE sticks. And now, our special podcast listeners get twenty percent off all IQBAR products, plus get FREE shipping. To get your twenty percent off, just text FILES to sixty-four thousand. Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @charliburnett @nnataliejjoy @alison.vandam @liffordthebigreddog @dereklanerussell   

what's going on everybody welcome back to another exciting episode of the vile files reality recap edition i'm your host nick joined Joy. By the household of Amanda, we got Justin here on the switcher. Justin on the switch. On the switch. He's switching. Allie is in St. Paul online. Down bad.

Down bad. Fighting for her life. Yeah. What, you got a stomach flu or something? We told her to stay in bed, but she wants to take notes. You there? Hello? I love notes love notes sounds so sad well we would we want ally to get better obviously drink your fluids and if you are happen to be listening to this and you're not feeling well as well

get better you know it's flu season you You never really know. Our special guest today, she returns for her second appearance on The Vow Files. You know her, you love her. You loved her so much the first time because she just spoke from the heart. We brought her back. The one, the only, Charlie!

I was like, is he going to say the last name? Charlie, how are you? Right before we started, she said how much she hates podcasts. Is that because you can't help but be honest? No, I just, I don't know. I just feel like they always get you in trouble. Did you get in trouble last time you did the show? No, I just don't like media, news, coverage.

I just don't like how they take things from one podcast. I'm sure you guys get it a lot. You're like, what like what this is like one sentence i'm just always just an overthinker too i'm just natalie's new favorite thing is to read uh what is my favorite thing press clippings of like ridiculous articles yeah like the shit that you know we will say on this show what was the last one us weekly put out put out Nick saying that he's not going to smoke weed again once the baby comes. And then in the article it said, in quotes, how'd you sleep last night, you little

bitch? Natalie said sarcastically to Nick. I was like, whoa! It's crazy in print. That's insane. When you read it, it definitely does not come across the same. I'll be honest. It almost makes you second guess everything you say. You're like, oh my God.

It's like a hangover from your podcast. Truly. It's anxiety. It wasn't meant to be a joke. Exactly. And then you read it and you're like, oh wow, now everyone's going to see that. And my grandmother always, she keeps up on those little tabloids. So she'll call me and be like, Mija, I read this today about you.

And I'm like, please stop reading those things. They're not real. So we have to be good. PG-13. No. It's no fun. It's no fun. It's the holidays.

What did you do this weekend? Did your fianc... Congratulations, by the way, on getting engaged. Oh, yeah, I'm engaged. Come on, an applause. It's beautiful, right? I joined the club. Welcome to the club.

Did your fiance take you on a romantic date this weekend? Like Natalie took me on one. He did not because he was golfing all weekend. Typical fiance stuff. No, he had his friend's 30th birthday. They golfed. We've been traveling a lot, but we actually just left Palm Springs last week.

We did like a little engage moon. That's even a thing, but we are we actually just left palm springs last week we did like a little engage moon that's even a thing but we did one now it's a thing um kind of like how you guys do baby moons right you guys gonna do one of those maybe well we did a lot of traveling leading up and now we still might do something i don't know something somewhere wait maybe we could drive to yeah we went to palm springs it was really nice. You guys should go check it out. We flew five weekends in a row. Yeah, it's a lot. For a variety of reasons. It's been a heavy travel year for everyone, I feel like.

So wait, where'd you guys go on your date? I didn't have a cute date at a Christmas party yesterday. Natalie, I think on Friday, she was like, well, she was, she's like, when did the Packers play this weekend? And I was like, well, they actually don't play on the packers play this weekend and i was like well they actually don't play on sunday they play on monday oh is that tonight that's right okay it's monday um and then she later on maybe it was the next day or later that day said we uh

have a date on sunday and i said oh wow babe well, babe, thank you for setting this up. You're so romantic. I have my bachelor party this weekend. So he's leaving me to go on his bachelor party in Vegas. A reluctant bachelor party. Oh, my God. I would have forgotten. I honestly didn't really want one.

I'm not in the party phase of my... I didn't really want one. You like that? I didn't really want one. I want you guys going to the spa or something. I'm looking forward... I would have gone... Don't do it. I would have gone. Don't do it.

I would have gone to the lake house. This is Natalie's fault. No. We were with all of Nick's family, all of his friends from high school, college, all these down home buddies. There were three dudes there. Three guys. We got to do a bachelor trip.

We got to go somewhere. And I'm like, you got to get the band back together. Yeah. I'm like, yeah, you should. You know, like, we got to do a bachelor trip. We got to go somewhere. And I'm like, I'll get the band back together. I'm like, yeah, you should, you know, like, you know. And the whole time I'm like, hey, we could go to like a Packer game. We have the lake house up in Wisconsin that I got. I'm like, how about we just go and play cards? But these guys live in Wisconsin. So they're like, no, fuck that.

We want to get out of the cold. We want to go somewhere. And I'm like, maybe, you know, Fort Lauderdale would be so nice and lovely. Like some quiet Utah. Augustine. A quiet little town. And then they're like, Vegas. What happened at this point, I'm thinking, what would just be the easiest thing?

Oh, yeah. Vegas for sure. It's the easiest. Totally the middle. It is. It's easy for me. It's a puddle threw, it is. It's easy for me. It's a, it's a puddle jumper of a flight from LA. And so then we kind of agreed it would be Vegas.

Then I went back to my life. They went back to theirs. And Natalie kept, was like, hey, are you going to do the bachelor party? You should like hit up your friends. And I know like my groomsmen are supposed to be involved, but like, you know, they got their lives too. It's just a very like last minute thing. How many groomsmen do you guys, or like how many groomsmen do you to be involved but like you know they got their lives too it's just a very like last minute thing how many groomsmen do you guys are like how many groomsmen do you have six that's a pretty solid group yeah and you have six bridesmaids but i don't have a best man why because i'm actually interested now i'm doing money and why don't you have a best man

because you like all your friends evenly well in a way i have four of my brothers yes one of my brothers is in the wedding so he's not your best man no got it and then i four of my brothers. Yes. One of my brothers is in the wedding. So he's not your best man. No. Got it. And then I, four of the groomsmen are groomsmen that had I gotten married at different stages of my life, like at 25 or 30, like at, at, at a, for like a three year period, they would have been my best man. And then like life happened. So like four of those guys would like, would have been my best man had I got married to that like four of those guys would like would have been my best man had i got married to that so they're just all even so they're all just kind of like my groomsmen i have two maids of honor okay yeah are they your sisters or your friends they're my

friends okay and then my bridesmaids my four bridesmaids four other bridesmaids are my sisters oh so you have four sisters i have four sisters oh cute okay so a little different yeah yeah but there's no rules in weddings reminding me to schedule this whole thing yeah i would have forgotten all about it so you're blaming me because i appreciate nat no she was thank you for planning the vegas she really she was she really was being thoughtless and uh thoughtful thoughtful and selfless she was Thoughtful and selfless. She was being thoughtful and selfless. And knowing that she thought I would appreciate getting to go with my friends.

And so she kept reminding me to do it. So thanks. So we're doing it this weekend. And anyway, so Natalie. So that's why you went on a date. And preparation. Got it. And we planned a very romantic day out in Venice.

I was like, since I'll never see you again, you're going to Vegas. Let's have one last date. The last time we'll love each other. Before you fall in love with some stripper. Exactly. Enjoy your time.

Yeah, just have the best time ever. Don't pull a Jax. Everyone will be good. I won't be pulling a Jax. No, we went to Venice. Natalie planned a couple a couple's massage

she said let me enjoy this nice day we did a little shopping got a couple's massage and then we went to the place we went to Felix where we had dinner

before we got engaged so a little callback to that that's super cute yeah that's really cute and when are you guys getting married early next year

yeah okay ish early ish a lot going on after the baby got it yeah so do you guys know where yes okay yeah is it a secret it's in georgia somewhere okay cool oh so back where you grew up okay oh how exciting wedding stuff is so fun and stressful it's crazy crazy. And with a baby. Yeah. Yeah, you're a trooper. I feel like I haven't really given the wedding as much love and thought because I'm just

more overwhelmed by the baby. A hundred percent. And how big is your guys' wedding? How many people are you guys inviting? I think 175. Oh my God, that's a big... I mean, we'll see how many people come. That's we just sent out save the dates. It's kind of sad. I feel like, you know, I definitely would have loved to do the a bachelorette trip and like a

bridal party and do and do all of these things. But it's like when you have a baby, it's like what I feel like a baby shower is probably a little bit more. I need more baby stuff than I need a toaster. You know, so it's like, let's celebrate the baby more than. I mean, Nick and I have been together for almost four years. Like we've lived together for three years. It's like, let's just focus on the baby. But it's kind of sad. I wish.

Do you think you'll get to maybe between the baby and the wedding itself? Like, I know it's obviously like so busy with a newborn. But do you think maybe then you'll be able to like. Yeah, maybe even like one day. Steal away for a bachelorette. Yeah, likeachelorette they can go to malibu to like the wineries for the day or something nick we'll do something i'll take you on your bachelorette no i'm not saying we'll but like we'll get a bunch of penises and we'll drink out of them yeah right we'll wear the hats and do the whole thing just like some floppy dildos. Just like me and Nick on like a sprinter van

with a stripper pole. No, those like pedal bikes. Oh no. When I say we, I mean, I will help her plan or insist that she does something to celebrate herself since she was so selfless in her, you know, cooking her

child in her stomach. Yeah, cooking her. Sacrificing her body for the sake of her child. Speaking of, how are you feeling? Lots of kicks? Like, how's it going? Oh my God. This bitch is crazy.

Oh my goodness. They're going to put that in quotes in an article. Natalie Joy says, her unborn child, the bitch is crazy. Yeah, honestly, you can go ahead and quote me. Because she is. And yeah, we had a massage and I was trying to relax. And on during a prenatal, it's not as enjoyable as a regular massage because you lay on your side side and she was just going ham on my left side and I was like I'm so sorry I need to lay on my back and she was like okay um I guess we'll work on your legs then okay thanks the entire time it was just like no relaxing and then as soon as we

got done Nick was like she's still kicking I was like, she's still kicking. I was like, nope, she's asleep. She is knocked out. It was just the very specific time when maybe you might've been. She really enjoyed her massage. Yeah. Yeah. I do feel like, um,

I definitely feel like I know her personality a little bit, you know? So it'll be exciting to finally meet her and see if it matches up to how she's behaved inside of me. It sounds like she's going to be like a little firecracker. No, for sure. It really has helped me, not helped me, or just made me envision, you know, like fast forward like 14, 15 years when she's a teenager.

And like, you know, every once in a while, Nellie wants to vent. And I have learned, I'm still learning. I'm still learning. Still learning. Still learning that when she's venting, she's not looking for help. She's just looking for either. I can either listen or or even better yet. Say that's crazy.

I can be like, yeah, fuck that person. You know, like, fuck them. I hate them. Should we kill them now? And I can imagine, you know, her being mad at our daughter and having to like decide whether I wanted to like, be like, but babe, she doesn't really mean it like that. Or be like, yeah, no, fuck her.

She can walk home from the mall. If she's not going to answer your call, when you go to pick her up, she can walk home. I was telling my mom about that. And she was like, no, you have to be able to go to Nick and say, she's a monster because you can't go to the monster and call them a monster. And I was like no you have to be able to go to nick and say she's a monster because you can't go to the monster and call them a monster and i was like you're right was i a monster mom but she was like sometimes it's a rite of passage i apologize for my behavior when i was a teenager

to her all the time all the time i feel so bad she did call uh 9-1-1 on her brother okay well he pulled a foam sword on me so you would too oh my god a weapon they showed up like four cop cars because i'm like my brother just pulled a sword on me and they're like holy shit so they pulled four cop cars my mom's at work she's like couldn't afford a babysitter it's just me and my brother at home and then they pull up and they're like can you bring out the weapon? My brother comes out with these two foam like play swords and they're like,

this could hurt, I guess. They call my mom. They're like, you're kids. You're kids. Oh boy. The plights of a single mother.

Golden Bachelor, everybody. Trying to get her on the show. Oh my gosh. Oh, really? Yes. We want her to be on. She'd be a star. She would.

Did you have her apply to the last one? No. Oh, okay. We suggested it, but she had some reluctance. She was nervous, but I think now seeing

how it plays out, she's like, I like it. He's like, cute. I could do that. I liked it. I enjoyed the whole process. Yeah, I think she's down. I think it was cute so cute yeah heartwarming

before we get into paradise because there's a lot to cover so we with so much to cover with with uh charlie we'll get in the little bip recap their season finale we got some scandal a brewing on the beach or off the beach now with the avenva and Kylie doll. Did you hear about that, Charlie? Oh, yeah. I was so surprised by that. Yeah, I know. I was shocked. I want to know what it is, too.

Well, I wish that people had to, like, by oath, had to tell us all the information about everything at the time. So, like, I'd have to go search for it, you know? I mean, tell me who,

what's their Instagram, who's the girl, need all the information. We love us getting on this show. I think we might be getting Kylie to speak her truth. Oh, really? Oh, that's exciting.

She should. She should. Maybe that'll make her feel better, too. Well, that's all we really want for her to heal on the file files. Yeah. Well, it just happened, right? Just happened. Yeah.

So we'll see. We want to give her her space and time. Well, I think they could only just now announce that they're not together because the finale is air. They might have been. So I thought, see that's where I need all the information. I thought

everything was going good and then something happened in this past week and it came out. I think it might have. Let me check Reddit because I think they originally posted two photos of them, like couple photos and then she deleted them and then uploaded the story.

So she must have recently found out. I felt like it was like someone maybe like messaged her or told or sent photos. Yeah, like maybe it was just very quickly. Avin posted his apology. Yeah, he owned up to it. So he's saying he did something.

Well, while Amanda does her research, we have to talk a little bit of Taylor. Last week, we proposed the question. Well, we've been very pragmatic, I guess, on this show. No, no, no. You have been very pragmatic. I've been pragmatic on this show when it comes to

the Taylor and Kim saga. Recently, you know, Taylor was named Person of the Year for Time magazine. And in that interview, they brought up the whole fiasco between Taylor and Kanye and Kim. How many years ago was that? Seven, eight, a while back. It's a long time ago. And then Taylor's new bestie, Brittany Mahomes,

recently did a Skims campaign of which many Swifties were upset about that. And I suggested, listen, we don't, as far as the Brittany of it all, I don't think anything's really changed because again,

I think the shoot probably happened long before they became, her and Brittany became friends. Also, like, we don't know whether you know maybe they're friends now but I'm sure Brittany Mahomes wasn't like a Taylor Swift stan where like she was following Taylor's career seven years ago so I feel like also she's just getting money sure I wouldn't say no to a Skims campaign even if your best friends was like I feel like when it's when it comes to like money and opportunity if like you have to put some things aside.

Well, clearly Taylor has... And isn't Taylor technically new to the NFL circle of wives? Sure. So they shouldn't give up everything for Taylor. Well, Taylor hasn't seemed to have a problem with it. I mean, they're still friends. But I did some research

because I wasn't sure. I've suggested that maybe Taylor and Kim are cool. Maybe it was more about the Kanye of it all. I could see that. Well, it's my understanding that Miss Taylor is very much not indifferent about it when it comes to Kim Kardashian still. And I think you don't have to really look much further than the times article, you know, when she was asked about it, you know, when she,

her, her quote trash takes itself out and she referenced how upset that whole period was. Like, are you aware of what happened? I am, but I guess it wasn't like die hard details into it. Well,

essentially, do you know? Yeah. So the, that song famous by Kanye West, where he's like, I made that bitch famous. And then he's like, I might still have sex with Taylor Swift or whatever because I made that bitch famous.

So he called her to say, hey, I'm doing this song. These are the lyrics. And basically, Taylor was like, no, I don't want you to say this, but, you know, whatever. And he released a song. And then Kim released an edited clip of this phone call that she recorded.

So Kim recorded the phone call and then edited it to say that Taylor was like, yeah, sure, do it. Go ahead. So wild. And that's kind of wild. And then put it out there at a time where it made Taylor look like a liar. Yeah. That whole time period was very. And then could you but could you imagine someone doing what would be a real life version of someone doing that to you where let's say it was a family drama and and then all your friends thought you were a liar and question your integrity and questioned everything about what you had just had had said before and like the emotional damage that might have done so i would understand i would not potentially be over it i mean i've held i've held grudges for far less yeah well it well, it's so malicious. Like I think so often it feels like

words can get kind of inflated around other people. And so like these feuds are so like media fueled that like maybe at the center of it, there isn't a ton of hatred. There's just kind of like a PR hurricane. But with this, it feels like it was very specifically like an act of shittiness and an act of a lot of maliciousness. And so I would see why Taylor like wouldn't want to just like be like, oh, I'm you know, it's like I feel like you can not forgive without being obsessed with it. Yeah, you can let it go and have it not be something that's top of mind. But if someone brings up that person's name or you happen to run into them like you are not indifferent, like you still have a strong sentiment towards that person that would be more than fair totally and also then it was like did did you know like four years ago kim went on watch what

happens live with uh andy cohen you may may not know him charlie um a little bit and on that show they always have they play these games and it was like something about like is it squash the bee squash the bee for whatever and andy asked kim about the feud with taylor and he's like hey we is it still going on have you guys squashed it have you talked to taylor and kim was like we're over it we're it's over it's you know yeah moving on and could you imagine the person who recorded you without your knowledge edited a video and then made you look like a liar and a deceitful dishonest person around people you care about or fans of yours and family and friends and then took it upon themselves after not apologizing to you either publicly or privately and then publicly going out and making a statement on your behalf to say that, no, no, no, everything's fine between us.

We've squashed. We've squashed it. We've moved on. Like, imagine how that would feel. Yeah, probably not great. But I feel like, I mean, yeah, I feel like with that situation, too, though, I definitely think maybe Kim was trying to protect Kanye the best she could. That's what i would say yeah i think there's definitely so many layers to it but you're not but i don't think everyone

has to be best friends again but i do i feel like maybe kim has always been like in a sense well you've seen her other interviews she does disregard things a lot and doesn't like to talk about them so maybe that's just like a deflection of hers i think they're supporting your husband and then there's using your massive platform to post a lie yeah like kill someone yeah so she could have been like i stand by like an oprah like an oprah like if taylor's yeah two on one were you silent are you saying yeah they should talk yeah yeah but maybe that's an idea it's my understanding that yeah they're not cool kim and taylor are not cool and rightfully so from from taylor's camp and if kim if someone did that to me and

then tried to downplay it publicly and act like it's over with and had never even acknowledged it i would be fucking furious it would definitely add to the fire yeah oh my god totally yeah i don't know especially now that like kim and kanye aren't together and this is not to say that it was all like kanye's fault like i don't know what the involvement between both of them was like but i feel like it's so fair to be like hey obviously like my life has changed i'm reflecting back on that and i just wanted to say i'm sorry like it's very easy for kim to just like, hey, obviously, like my life has changed. I'm reflecting back on that. And I just wanted to say I'm sorry. Like, it's very easy for Kim to just say like, hey, looking back, like, sorry about that. Yeah. Or maybe a little bit more. Hey, listen, like that was really wrong. It's not who I want to be. I was there's no excuse for what I did. But even though maybe I was trying

to be a good wife, but nevertheless, it was at the expense and the cost of someone. And that's not OK. And I'm really sorry. And I hope that that person can forgive me like she hasn't done that. And that's kind of icky. And, you know, I'm not mad. I'm just disappointed, Kim, you know. So now Nick takes back everything he ever said about Kim and Taylor are good. Well, I just wondered if maybe they were but now that i have done more research on it i i i would have done my research well that that that watch what happened live clip is was maybe there's some like legal things going on where that's why kim won't like me because isn't it illegal to record someone's conversation? Well, Oh,

so I'm saying her ultimately having to admit that maybe there'll be like more problems to come out of that. So I don't know. That's just another thing. Like cause legal issues. So her saying like admitting that she recorded that conversation could lead into other things. Maybe,

but she hasn't, she hasn't even apologized privately i've even thought about the situation in years so i'm trying to like well it's really yeah but it's it's all kind of coming back yeah damn it's just hard because it's like i feel like the pr wisdom is so different than like the interpersonal integrity of like pr wisdom is like don't address it don't address it don't address it but like on an interpersonal level it's like do the right thing but she has addressed it and she's said it's over with and it's squashed. All while Taylor was still like living abroad because she felt unsafe and like didn't feel like it was, you know.

She said that? She moved to a foreign country. I didn't know that was. I finally watched Miss Americana on the plane because it was on Netflix and I downloaded it. And I think without like specifically pinpointing that as the only reason, like she does talk about like being canceled kind of like and how I don't know just how it really like shook her and like shook her to her core, how she clearly grew from it. And she talks a lot about like her value system and how that changed how she used to just value other people's praise or like making them happy and how she kind of had to

like disconnect herself with that because when everyone turned on her it was really bad but i think it was a really traumatic experience for her as someone who tried everyone turn on her yeah they were like commenting snake emojis on a lot of people like or i'm saying like friend wise like did she lose i don't know if she lost any close friends or she just said like the mass media but she literally thought like her career might be over got it you know we're being so mean the internet's not a nice place no it's not nice no we don't condone any response because people have been going to kim's page and like posting snake stuff which like that's not okay you can stand up for taylor without internet. Don't go to people's pages and Internet bullying. Yeah. Just go to their page and unfollow them. Yeah. If you don't want to follow their content, but their page is like a version. You

know, it's like it's like showing up at their doorstep and like talking shit to them. You don't have to do that. But it is really quite interesting. I honestly feel like Kim never will, because I just don't think Kim and Taylor are even on the same level. They just have completely different personalities. It's like Kim is the bizarro Taylor. Like Kim, you know what she's so good at? Marketing, right? She's a marketing queen.

And to the extent that, as they always say, there's no such thing as bad press type of thing. And I think Kim, on a lot of levels, knows how to embrace that kind of mindset. She knows how to roll with it. And I think Kim, on a lot of levels, knows how to embrace that kind of mindset. She knows how to roll with it. She knows how to just kind of take whatever attention comes her way and turn it into something that can elevate her career. Or Taylor has different standards in terms of what she's willing to do for attention. And she's not willing to do just about anything.

I mean, she turned down an appearance at the royal wedding because it just wasn't for her. She turned down an opportunity to play at the halftime show of the Super Bowl. She's very selective in terms of where she puts herself out there, unlike Kim, who's kind of willing to take any attention that comes her way. And I feel like Kim probably just doesn't understand, which is kind of sad. It's harder for her to empathize what's going on in Taylor's world, because I think Kim's probably dealt with her own type of shit and she's just been able to like overcome it where Taylor operates at a whole different level and you know she gets attention from the music she makes and the product she puts out where Kim

it's a little different you know totally I don't know oh okay so speaking apologize Kim it's not too late it's not too late it's not too late it's not too late it's it's so wonderful when people can admit they were wrong it's an amazing quality yeah you know what really chaps my you know what all the crappy grocery store bags where the handles always break you know because i'm a paper guy because you know recycle but the problem is is like you know your groceries they get heavy those handles break you know what i'm talking about if you've ever been to the grocery store. Well, nothing is heavier than a bottle of wine.

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posted on her story. It's Reddit is down, by the way, which is very bizarre. Honestly. Honestly. I hope it burns in hell. Because it was on Reddit where people, so Kylie and Avon had done a shared post. These look like professional photographs. Avon, as the caption was like,

if you believe in something, it's worth fighting for. Don't give up on what really matters. And the only thing that matters is you, Whiteheart. And then that gets deleted very quickly. And then Kylie puts on her story following our relationship announcement yesterday. I want to thank God he did not allow me to live another day in the dark. In the last 24 hours, I have been grasping with the fact that one of the most important relationships in my life has dissolved due to multiple infidelities. infidelities. This is not just a show, but my real life. And for the foreseeable future, I will be in a time of healing and trying to put the puzzle pieces of my life back together. Please respect my privacy at this time. Love you all, Kylie.

That is so sad. I mean, some girls must have reached out, right? Well, if it's multiple infidelities. Yeah. Also, my thing is, why did they wait? Multiple same person and multiple different people. Yeah. Well, that's why we need the oath of details. Multiple infidelities feels like multiple different people.

Multiple different people, yeah. Also, who are these girls? Aren't they watching this show and knowing that they are, like, in these relationships? Right? But they might have thought it was just a show. And then, like, once they posted that joint photo, it was like, oh, no, wait, they're actually together. Wait, because I've been. Okay, see, there we go.

You know, the whole like, hey, you know, Ava out there clubbing it up, drinking it up, you know, and it's like, aren't you with like Kylie? And he could have been just like, you know, it's just like a show, just like whatever. Because the timing of it all. But yeah. Because it came out right after their relationship, quote unquote, went public. And if you had hooked up with Avon between now and then and said, wait. Because they're filming Bachelor in Paradise in the summer, right? Like in July.

Also, Sayulita is so hot and so humid. And those girls getting their hair and makeup done every day is so amazing to me. So it's filmed in the summer and then gets shown in the fall but it's really not that many months apart oh no it's not that many months yeah that's right in june i think may or june so that's like a long time living together and doing things right and the show's being aired don't you it's been six months since it's a decent amount of time yeah they finished i just get confused when people are like cheating like this yeah or like i just maybe my thing is like

where's the time and who's doing this with you and how are you believing that they're not like that's just for this show i don't know i just get confused even then responded he responded after careful thought and consideration into writing this. I want to first and foremost apologize to Kylie, my family and my friends for my actions. I've made major mistakes in the relationship and hurt someone who was very close to me. At this time, I'm in an extremely, extremely low place trying to work on myself. I'm doing my best to find healing, find myself and be a better person. Please have grace and respect for Kylie and her family through this difficult time. Thank you. I think to answer your question, Charlie, it's a little dramatic. Having been on, you've, you've been on reality TV. Yeah. And I think,

I think we sometimes people like you and I who have experience behind reality TV forget just how much people just really have no idea how the sausage is made, so to speak, when it comes to TV. And I think there's a lot of like, you know, I'll believe whatever you tell me. Is it real? Is it all fake? I think a lot of people just think it's all fake or want to believe that. So if someone on the show says something like you're not going to. I guess you're not going to double down on what they are saying. I guess it's fake. Whatever, you know, where you understand that, like on Vanderpump, like,ump like yeah no these are these people's lives and they're willing to show it on tv and it's not as quote-unquote fake as

some people want to believe it is and i just thought maybe like bachelor in paradise maybe this is me being naive because it's like the first season i really watched i was i really thought they were like all searching for love i'm like am I being like naive or like do people really go on I'm like that's kind of just to me a waste of like time and energy I think to go date these people for like you know three four or five weeks however long they do it and go fly out and do this like show I just feel like that's such a waste of time and energy I would just go do something else i think nowadays it's maybe like half a kylie seemed like she that's what i'm saying came down and really wanted to be with avan and she said that in the beginning that she wanted to be winning so that's where i get confused as i'm like i thought you guys were really in love with each

other and you don't do this to someone you love well Well, you know, it's like icky. I feel like that's a perfect segue into like the finale because from the second Kylie came in, she was like, Avon, I could see us getting engaged.

Like she has had, I think, her mind on engagement for the whole show. And so it was very interesting to watch her and Avon's back and forth on the finale.

What did you make of both of them and where they were coming from? Did you feel like one of them had a little bit more validity? Clearly just not two people just completely on two different pages yeah i don't think at the time like avon was wrong for not wanting to get engaged for dating someone for three weeks i it also but at the same time we don't know if it was just three weeks or had how

much they had been talking before either way like it's understandable that avon wouldn't want to get engaged after a brief dating period even if it did happen a little bit before Paradise. At the same time, I get where Kylie's coming from. She's like, this is the world we signed up for, and you know this world because this is your second stint doing it. And it would make sense for her to have different expectations of Avon than she would say a guy outside of the bachelor bubble so i don't think either of them were wrong it just clearly they just weren't communicating you know it just seems weird that they got to that point and seemed to not have conversations like that i feel like him and tyler kind of had the same energy towards the end of their relationships where it was like you were all in and then all of a sudden it was like oh no i'm like not that serious and you're like wait what like what do you mean you're not that serious what were you what was everyone doing this whole time i felt really bad

for mercedes i feel like she was like sam like kylie where she was like wait i thought like you liked me and they're like yeah like not that much and you're like what the fuck are you doing you have to get engaged yeah and also like i don't know the setup's there the ring is there like you didn't have to pay all that money you actually if anything use the situation yeah and we're gonna be a user of anything use like what sucks for mercedes is even worse is you know, they didn't show us a lot of their relationship. So from a viewer standpoint, it almost gives Tyler the benefit of the doubt being like, why is she so upset? We didn't really, you know, didn't have much of a relationship, but we have no idea. Like, they probably could have been hanging out every day, all day talking about the future, making out on daybeds yeah but the show didn't really focus on it because there wasn't a lot of drama behind it and they had you know Kat doing her thing and the other relationships

seemed more advanced so that's all the airtime they got not really validating Mercedes frustrations but in reality probably totally justified to Charlie's point

yeah just kind of felt like all the boys on this season kind of dropped the ball a little bit they were all just kind of like wh all the boys on this season kind of dropped the ball a little bit. They were all just kind of like whiny and crying and just like, like none of them were just stepping up to the plate besides like Aaron B.

Or wait, what was that guy's name that brought the girl the poop platter? Aaron S. Aaron S. Like that was so sweet. But if like everyone else was just like, want, want, want. Like the boys were just there to hang out. And I'm like, guys, we need a little bit more here.

You know, let me see some better dates. That's been kind of typical for Bachelor in Paradise for a while where it's definitely like a boy's summer camp, it feels like. Yeah, that's exactly how it felt. And like the women want to come down and be like, hey, can I find love here?

Can we get engaged? Yeah. And the boys are like, cool. We can hang out. Maybe I'll see you around, dude. And then there's Kat. Don't talk to me too much, though. Kat and John Henry, I would say congratulations

on your engagement, but they haven't posted anything since the finale. Well, he has a really hard job. He's like underwater, you know? He can't take any photos because he's just underwater. He's just underwater right now. He's been underwater, you know? He can't take any photos because he's just like underwater. He's just underwater right now. He's been underwater since

last Thursday. He's like busy floating. He doesn't have time to post to Instagram. Babe, we gotta collaborate. I want to make sure we post at the same time so he would just hold off and pretend that we're not happy about our engagement until I come up from sea.

Yeah, it is interesting that they haven't posted. Also, I could see like maybe Kat wanting it to be like a certain way. Maybe she wants like a photo shoot and he hasn't been up from the water yet. So they need like a perfect day. I could see her wanting it a certain way. And she's like a nurse. So she might be busy too. Yeah. Maybe she's doing like a 36 hour shift or something. Yeah. And like they need to plan the date. Yeah, it's just interesting that they didn't even post like a screenshot from the proposal day or like something from the show. I feel like she probably didn't like it.

I could see her not liking the photos. That's a good point. I could literally see a cat being like, because I'm a little bit like that. Some of the cat's crazy moments, I was like There hasn't been. I kind of relate. A time in the past six months where they had a cute meetup

where they've taken a cute selfie he's underwater he's underwater and she's working really hard they both have hard jobs they both posted Instagram stories referring to like

giving love to like what seemed to be a producer that yeah they so they're on social media including John Henry

unless unless someone is managing his account. Yeah, someone's probably doing it for them. Yeah. And he wants to be a part of his engagement announcement. I feel like at this point, John Henry definitely has a waterproof phone case. Right? I feel like it's 2023.

He has the OtterBox. No, he doesn't. He's just too cool. He doesn't even bring it down. Yeah. He doesn't want to be distracted. Yeah's like i'm too focused i was curious in kylie and avon when they were having this back and forth about the proposal whether or not it was going to happen kylie brought up avon and rachel's relationship and said well like you were in a headspace to get engaged when you

were dating rachel why is it different what did you make of that? I think it's kind of, I get why she said that. You know, because he's basically, again, we didn't even get to see the whole conversation. You know, I'm sure they edited a lot out. And he was, I'm guessing, referring to like, hey, maybe I'm just not there yet. It's only been a couple weeks. Avon was thinking pragmatically. He was thinking about the real world, which makes total sense.

But Kali's like, sure, but in this world, you have dove into the process. You have immersed yourself like I have for you. So I can see why she is comparing the two. Again, I don't know if, does it make her or him wrong or right? I get where she's coming from. I get her logic and I get her frustrations because it's like, you've done this before. I know you're capable of going there because you went there with Rachel. So why can't you go there with

me? I get where she's connecting the dots. And she kind of said this where she was like, I feel embarrassed. And it seemed like insecurity. And also just from the way she was reacting, it seems like she hasn't run into a roadblock like this in a relationship was like, I feel embarrassed. And it seemed like insecurity. And also just from the way she was reacting, it seems like she hasn't run into a roadblock block like this in a relationship where like, seems like usually if she's wanted to escalate things, people have been very down for it. I felt like this was one area where for me, I don't think I really understood apart from like, I get the Neil Lane thing is kind of nice. But I don't know, I was kind of like this engagement, it feels it feels like you just want the title more than you want the advancement in the relationship. But then I was like, I also didn't really grow up in a place where there was a ton of pressure to get married in like

maybe earlier mid 20s. Is that something that like either of you empathize with a little bit more or could see as like why that would be important to someone? Because for me, it just felt a little bit like being more focused on like a superficial thing than like a relationship based milestone. on like a superficial thing than like a relationship based milestone? I mean, I think definitely in the South, that's like a big thing to, you know, get married and have kids kind of ASAP. I thankfully did not have a family that pressured any of that onto me. But I mean, I think it's I think that's a fair question for Kylie to ask. Even, you know, I feel like they've definitely spent so much more time together than he ever spent with Rachel.

And maybe it was just his first go around in the show. And he was like, oh, this is what you're supposed to do. So I'm just going to do it. I don't know. And now maybe he has a little bit more knowledge. And so he's like, no, I know we don't have to get engaged and we can just date off the show. But think about it, right? If you're Kylie and she is clearly into Ava at this point, she wants to be with him. She sees a future with him. And even if Kylie is thinking, yeah, sure, we have a lot to learn about each other. I don't I can't predict the future. But like every other engagement that's ever happened on The Bachelor, Bachelorette or Paradise is not because two people are 100 percent certain like they can predict the future. They're just like, hey, listen, I have these intense feelings for you right now.

And fuck it. Like, why not? Because Kylie's thinking, well, if we do end up working out, I don't want us to go back and remember the time where I had to beg for an engagement and we kind of like reluctantly left the beach together. Yeah. I want to memorialize our relationship on this television show because like how cool would it be to go back and be able to watch that? Like it makes a ton of sense for Kali to she is trusting her feelings for Avon saying, you know, listen, I don't know. I can't predict the future, but like I want this for our relationship because what a cool way to kick it off like look at joe and serena tanner and jade all the other couples that they flash that's why you're going to the beach yeah and i'm like that's just like the end of it all you're going to the beach to get engaged is that not the premise of the show

it is the premise of the show i mean it's been that's what you're supposed to do and so and all those couples that are now married have kids, some of which have kids. They can like, look back on it. Look back and every season it's like they're celebrated for the relationship

that's worked out and Kylie has seen this and she knows it and that's probably what she wants, right? So it makes total sense even if she can be like, yeah, listen,

I don't know, I could leave the beach and you could cheat on me, you know, right? But like right now, I want to take this risk because of how I feel about you. I feel like she's also always going to compare herself

to Rachel now. Or ask her why he wasn't so into her as much as she was into him or like vice versa. I feel like she's always going to compare. It seems like there was a lot of comparison going on, both with maybe Kylie looking at Eliza and Aaron's relationship and feeling like really yearning for that kind of level of commitment. And then also when Sam and Peter, who like I feel like

got no airtime, kind of had forgotten about them at certain points in the episode when they were having their conversation. Peter was like, I want to give it a shot. And then Sam was like, yeah, we just like we haven't gotten as far as other couples. So like, I don't think we will ever get there. Like it seems like it was a very comparison based breakup as opposed to a like just tunnel vision of like our own relationship kind of thing yeah i think that was for kylie back to kylie i think it was just her being vulnerable you know yeah to say i want to do this like she's not delusional she's just willing to take the risk and be vulnerable and even wasn't and now we know why because he was like i got some ladies back at home i got a call damn that sucks yikes yeah how many do you think it was like what's the number

i hope it wasn't more than one god she said multiple infidelities yeah yeah well maybe it was like one person i just hope it wasn't multiple mean three and couple is like two isn't there like after a couple i feel like it... But to be honest... Kylie, can we talk about your usage of the word? Yeah. I do think... Again, we need details, people.

You have to drop all the details of everything, please. Even if it were to, I feel like she has every right to make it seem like it was even more because she's pissed and she has every right to... Yeah, she gets to write his name in blood. A bunch. Yeah. A whole lot of infidelities. Yeah, she gets to write his name in blood. A bunch. Yeah. A whole lot of infidelities. Yeah, she's key in his car.

Also, she dug her name into the side of his pretty little souped up four-wheel drive. Poor girl. That sucks. Yeah. Oof. We did also, at the end of Paradise, get a little look into Joey's season. Charlie, are you invested in Joey's love story? I am kind of not,

but I might. Because of him? I just thought he was like a little, I mean, I don't know. He's considered by many to be like the first more heartthrobby basher

we've had in a few. I agree. I agree. Okay, maybe I need to look harder. He's definitely prettier than the past few. I like, maybe because, maybe I need to look harder. He's definitely prettier than the past few. I like, maybe because

actually I lied. I'll probably watch. I like to watch the girls more than the group of guys, to be honest. Totally. I also think there's this element of Joey where it's like it just seems too nice. He seems like a sweetheart. And that's why I don't want him to like, I don't know, go through this

experience and get jaded I'm like stay nice Joey but it's nice to have a like a bachelor that people agree is nice yeah like in a way that's like compelling because it felt like

with like Zach and Clayton people were like okay yeah I didn't like Zach's season but my friend was on it so I felt like I had who was your friend she didn't make it far

I watch anytime like I have one friend that even gets like to the first Kim her name she didn't make it far I watch anytime like I have one friend that even gets like to the first but Kim her name is Kimmy that's how I always got into them

how many friends have you had on I've had like actually I've probably had like last every season last year probably had a girl

on a season last four or five years or multiple girls yeah is it just a coincidence do you know people like what well I feel like

every girl in LA, I have a lot of friends. One of them is always on the back of the chair. They usually don't make it that far. I will say I haven't had one that's made it far. You haven't had one? No, I haven't had one. But once you start watching,

I'm like, well, now I've got to know how this finishes. Did you know Genevieve? She was from LA. No, but I think we have mutual friends. Oh, okay. And then I just met Charity the other day. Okay. She was very nice.

Yeah. All the Bachelor girls are very nice. So it's not a bad TV show to watch. We just... Hopefully... Will Joey bring the ratings up? Yeah. Because they've...

Have they released the girls yet? No. No, just his... They showed the clip. But we'll see. It airs like end of january or something i wanted to like take a break because the whole golden bachelor thing with how that fell out with them i was like heartbroken that yeah i was getting frustrated that gary ended up being just another guy yeah right just another dude oh yeah i just like to live in false reality that we can have one normal person.

It's kind of fascinating that so many bachelors get turned on by the end of the season. They do, huh? And Gary was no exception. Yeah. But how much of that is just the way they're framing it? It feels like they could have controlled. They could have protected Gary a lot more. And granted, part of it is they want to capture the reality of the show and like the real drama but i think part of it is like what you said

so much that i really agreed with nick was like we haven't been invested in their love story it's just been theresa like fawning and him kind of being like thanks for saying that what was that but then the news that came out too and it's just i don't know when you get to the end and you have the opportunity to have three fantasy suites and meet people's families and you start saying i love you to multiple people it gets a little grimy and little like sleazy sleazy he did huh he was on his like they all do that they all do that though they all get shit for it too yeah yeah yeah i don't know qu. I am happy Quince exists. I've said it before. I'll say it again.

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this Matt Reif is it Reif or Re it reef or right right right sure it's not drama oh is that the comedian guy yeah so the rise and fall of matt rife so is this like about what he said or like the rumors about his plastic surgery like what are you talking about no he's in some sort of internet feud he's an internet feud with like a tiktok mom wait and a six-year-old wait why no he went after a six-year-old what what did he say he has tell me everything in his comedy yeah stand up if that's what you want to call it it's not very funny did you guys watch it i i haven't seen it i've heard plenty about it i've heard lots of i've seen lots of clips but he basically he has some joke about jupiter and like space okay he also whatever opened up with like a domestic violence joke yes i feel like i felt like that was known but yes he did open up his stand-up with

domestic violence joke which someone who's has been in domestic violence it's not funny also just to point out he has an audience of his, his audience is women, which is like bizarre. Like it's never okay to make a joke like that, but it's even weirder to like go out. Like the hand that feeds you. Yeah.

It's like, I would love more men to listen to this show because we have an audience of women, but I'm not going to start like shitting on women just for this, to get a couple dudes to tune in. Right. Cause it was, he had all flavors of shitting on women on his special because it was like obviously like the domestic violence being like the grossest and i think like the most like serious but then he also goes on to like make fun of crystal girlies and astrology girlies which is like yeah it's like

you can have that take if you want to but first of all it's not a very new one it's not that funny and second of all like your audience is mostly women and you're being disparaging to this interest that is like predominantly women all right babe so please yes so he has a joke about space says something about jupiter you know whatever he said was incorrect oh just like about the space okay jupiter having rings or something so he's talking about he's making fun of the astrology girlies and about how like they're upset about not getting married and he's like it has nothing to do with the stars man just because jupiter has a ring and you don't doesn't mean you're supposed to look up to magical advice okay anyways so um this woman on like that's not funny uh this woman no i know i'm saying his joke isn't funny this woman on like, that's not funny. This woman.

No, I know. I'm saying his joke isn't funny. This woman on TikTok who has like 2.2 million followers. Name is Bunny Hedaya. OK. She has a son and she's like shown her son on social media. It's definitely not like about him, but the world knows his name. They know that he's obsessed with space.

He like. Oh, so he like loves space. Yes. Okay, got it. So she duetted or stitched his little clip of his comedy special and the little boy responded being like. Yeah, and it's stitched to not her. The first thing that comes up is the little boy

with the camp, like a selfie style. Got it. And he's six, six year old. So like the video finishes of him and then a selfie style. Got it. And he's six. Six year old. So like the video finishes of him and then Keith responds. Correct. Okay.

And he says So it's like the boy is making a stitch. Got it. Not the mom. The little kid. The six year old. On the mom's account.

Okay. And the little boy says Jupiter doesn't have a ring. It's Saturn does and you're mean to girls. Okay. So he's just being silly a little boy.

Sure. And Matt Reif comments on the video what does he comment oh it's horrific what did you read it verbatim amanda this is stressing me out okay so why is jupiter also has a ring oh dot dot dot and santa isn't real and then your mom buys your presents with the money she makes on only fansans. Good luck. Okay. Disgusting. Well, why are you saying OnlyFans to a six-year-old? Yeah, I don't think that we need to say that. Saying that Santa's not real is kind of rough.

That's really, obviously, the mom could not show him, right? So I have a take. Yeah. I'm curious what you think. Okay. I just want to preface this by being like what Matt Reif did was gross and raw, whatever the fuck his name is. That was gross.

His comment. Disgusting. He is 100 percent wrong for his comment. Yeah. And not but but and I think what the mom is doing is exploiting her son is disgusting. This I have a second take on that. He's fucking six years old. So like he doesn't know who Matt Reif is.

He doesn't. I'm assuming he didn't watch his comedy special. And so clearly the mom used her son as a prop to be like, here, this would be cute. Say this in the comment about and you hate girls or you're mean to girls or whatever. And she she. Are you saying that she provoked the situation by putting him in? Well, she. Not kind of. she, she. Are you saying that she provoked the situation by putting him in? Well, she, she,

not kind of, she literally exploited her son by saying, Hey, I'm going to use my six year old to pick a fight with a comedian. Yeah. Probably not the best. Like, what did you think was going to happen?

And again, what that does not in any way, excuse what, what Matt did, but I just think it's shameless to use your six year old in some sort of internet drama. Clearly she fed him the line. She put him out there.

And if you don't want your son to see Matt's comment, just make sure he's not on the internet. He's six years old. I'm assuming she lets him go on when she wants him to go on and not. She saw the comment. The six-year-old did it. And I hope that she didn't say,

do you know what Matt Riff said about you to the six-year-old? I'm assuming that didn't happen. I just think it's kind of gross that she didn't say, do you know what Matt Riff said about you to the six-year-old? I'm assuming that didn't happen. No. I just think it's kind of gross that she is using... All the adults are to blame. Yes. It's just, it's gross that she is exploiting her son for clout. Are you guys going to have limits with your, like, babe?

Of course we are. And I don't know what those rules are that we're going to have. We've talked about it. And like, you know, we've, you know, showing our daughter's baby pictures when she's like three months old probably not a big deal showing her face but as she grows up i don't know we haven't really figured it out yet because it's like a really tough area to like you're like do you want your kids to have fun you want them to like obviously the internet is the new world so it's almost like they kind of have to be in the know

you know but then you also want to protect them from everything yeah or protect them from telling them that santa's not real i mean like on the show we gnarly we commentate on public figures he just like went so low he's like you know what fuck this kid i like that it's the santa that's really getting you not the only fans comment yeah well no that's true that well that was weird he doesn't even know what only does she if does she do only fans i don't know this bunny do OnlyFans? I don't know about this bunny girl. Not to my knowledge. I don't know. So it's also like, why are we still saying that?

The Santa thing is way worse. He doesn't know what OnlyFans is. He knows what Santa is. And if the kid did read it, I would say the Santa comment is way worse than the OnlyFans. Yeah. I mean, but it's still as, you know, it's like, it's not good. It's gross. But she is also wrong.

Because now if he does see it now he's gonna be like sad about santa claus and also like what's only fans and like yeah now he's curious about what only fans her mom is partly his is partly to blame i'm i just i feel strongly about that because she exploited her son and thought it was what does she do on social media like what is her like basis or she just like it's like a family account like no it's like is it just about her like what does she do she's she's uh extremely rich it's kind of just like about her like lifestyle of like her jets and her her but if you're gonna talk shit like don't use your son to talk shit i mean like it would we commentate on public figures reality tv stars

on this show i couldn't imagine when when six years from now and our daughter six and we you know, if I want to have some commentary on a comedian to bring her on the show, I hear respond and say this and feed her a line. Well, especially a comedian. And then be outraged when that very comedian decided to like respond to me using my kid. What Matt did is disgusting and wrong. And I think she deserves also a lot of criticism for exposing her son yeah maybe no like kid stuff on the internet

like there should just be rules yeah i feel like i mean yeah her videoing her son and putting it out there feeding him those lines is definitely wrong i I think Matt deciding to, cause he doesn't respond to every hater, but he chose to respond to like a six year old, that kid, a little boy you like chose to. Yeah. And like the, the redirect on his apology,

his apology for domestic abuse and like the redirect to special needs helmets. And it's just all like, it's just the right. We have truly watched in a span of six months, the rise and the fall of Matt Rife. Is he like in big, like,

is everyone mad at him now? I mean, he's definitely alienated his audience. I mean, I'm not, his audience was like, what, seven,

like 80% women. I don't really know much about him to be honest. It was just like a weird fucking move. I just thought it was the whole... I also just thought maybe he... I know he's older, but in the whole... When I saw it all plan out, I was like, maybe he also wasn't ready to have his own special.

He just felt like that whole... I didn't finish his comedy special. I just watched the first five minutes of it and got a little like, I'm kind of over this. But maybe maturity-wise, he isn't ready to work stages like that and jokes like that and doesn't really know his place yet in the comedy world, especially since having an audience he doesn't even know how to cater to because I've seen so many comedy shows. And it takes a lot. And I went to the one for that was

just filmed for Dave Chappelle. and I can't remember who opened for them and even for them I was like okay these jokes are not really landing anymore like we gotta switch this up a little bit and I think this day and age maybe what used to be funny isn't funny anymore to everybody yeah I would agree

it's just like a tougher crowd work to work you know I feel like maybe he just wasn't ready for that and then now is taking it out on six-year-olds in Santa Claus. I don't know. Like what? I think he's... Maybe he needs a different PR team to stay off the internet for a second. I don't think he has a PR team.

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to respond or like did not want me to like even start this like twitter thing in the first place so it seems like he kind of has a level of ego where he goes again isn't that the hard part in comedy though it's like where does comedy land now like where what's funny what's not funny where it's like because it's just so hard i feel like it's like every week a comedian is almost in trouble and it's like where are the rules now in comedy you know like how does that work out for everybody there are no rules and i think there's a lot of art i've i've with this whole matt reeve drama there's been a lot of discourse about this topic where it seems like there's a lot of comedians who are actually trying to get into trouble

because when it comes to the people who like their jokes, it's not about having critics. It's just about having more people into what you're saying, regardless of what you think about it. And so comedy, it's an art. It's objective. So some people can reject the art. Some people can praise the art.

I think we're all in agreement of what he said being not funny and grotesque. And it's also just bizarre given who his audience is. It was just like, you know, it's, yeah. Like, yeah, I'm like, maybe do a little bit more research, a little bit more practice. Think about what we're doing. But comedy is hard. So I'm like, I don't know.

Thank God that I'm on that position. Putting yourself out there. And then, I don't know. You know, I'm on that position. Putting yourself out there. And then, I don't know. You know, you should really think about what you're doing. Another position that you're not in? Vanderpump. I'm not. You read my mind.

Oh, my God. You're not on the season of Vanderpump Rules. I am not. Why are you not on season 11 of Vanderpump? I, Charlie, really thought after you were here. Yeah. And I still think this. I think you're a star.

I think you have star qualities. I think you're funny. I think you have some banger one-liners. You can't help but be honest. It's a great reality TV quality. And I thought, okay, Rachel, Raquel, she's not going to be on it. They're looking for new characters. I think they're going to really give Charlie a moment.

And then you were just like, fuck this. Peace out peace out no that's not how it went why aren't you because i really thought if you if i was on the impression that if you wanted it you could have been oh i mean oh no yeah say it how do i say this um maybe i just didn't feel aligned with me this year. I just couldn't do it. I sat there, got the contracts. I mean, we were talking for months. Everything was going good. And then the day it came to sign on the dotted line, I was already ready to film that night.

I just, something told me not to do it. But what was that something? I literally just, I had something in my stomach. I was having a really hard time in negotiations and contracts. I just didn't know where I kind of fell into place with Vanderpump this year. I just didn't feel like, where was the show going? Where is everyone else going? Where did I kind of align with that? I just felt like I was in such different places and place in my life than everyone else's. And I just didn't feel connected in the same way. And yes, I could

have done it. And yes, I could have probably had like my engagement and all these things. And now looking back on it, I'm kind of glad I didn't because my whole life would have probably worked out differently. Who would have known if I would have made it to my engagement? Because it just causes so many problems. And I just looked back at my last four years in my life and realized that it was just all Vanderpump. Yeah. And you really are exposing your life. And it's more than that, though, too. It's like, even if I'm not exposing my life, I'm scheduled to this life, right? I'm on Vanderpump clock. And I lost a lot of friends that were in my real life. And I felt like my family relationship and then getting into the space with my now fiance,

it was like, where am I going? What am I doing? And is it here anymore? Is it really here? Like, what am I going to even be talking about with like, the certain people, you know, like, I don't even really want to be in a space or in a room with some of them. Like, did you, it's like, you didn't feel like having Lala go after your relationship. I don't know. I don't know. I don't think she would. I know. I even like, maybe even just being of like, icky around like people like Tom Sandoval, like, what are you doing? And like, I don't want to be a part of that. people like Tom Sandoval, like, what are you doing? And like, I don't want to be a part of that. Like not in a mean way. Like, just like, I, I would rather just like maybe go hang out with Katie and get some cocktails and like chill and hang out. But I also don't need to be on

Vanderpump to do that. Yeah. Have you, speaking of Tom, have you ran into Tom recently or seen him? I actually, yeah, I think I, I ran into him at Barneyney's he tried to be nice to me and it freaked me out and I just was I don't know I just freaked me out I'm just like I just kind of I I don't know I just what did he say to you he was like hey and I just was like hi I'm with my friends with people I love like please don't bother me I just got back from my engagement too. So it was like, I was very nice. Like I was on a high. So he was lucky I even said hi back. But I just, even when I saw him

and then I've seen it, I mean, I've seen all the cast members in different parties this year. And I just went to see Ariana at the semi finale. But there's certain people I see where like it makes my stomach hurt and I feel really uncomfortable. And then there's others that I'm like, I like like you but you don't really get to pick and choose

who makes you so Sandoval makes your stomach hurt I just think it's like uncomfortable I just anyone else no I just no I just like you know I like who I like who else have you spoken to Rachel recently no no not since. Not since... I'm okay. What do you think of her new podcast and about, like, being the other woman and all that stuff going on? I honestly... So this is what I kind of do.

I kind of, like, take people out and, like, throw them out of my mind when I really don't want to talk or like them anymore. So I didn't really read much into it. I think whatever she needs to do for her, everyone else is doing what they need to do for them. But I just, it's confusing and it's icky. Like I said, it's just like,

what are we doing? You know, like, what are we doing, guys? Like, what are, like, come on. Maybe everyone needs to, like, go back and, like. I think what she's doing is still trying to have a career in the public eye even though she says she's stepping away and she's trying to do it without needing Vanderpump, I guess. And I feel like that was my thing too.

You don't have to diss Vanderpump, right? You can still look at that part of your life and be like, okay, that happened because it did all do things for us in different ways. Even it may have not been the way we wanted it to or maybe not everyone's as like, you know, A-list or movie star as they want to, whatever vision they had.

But that was still an experience that we were given and it was still a once in a lifetime opportunity. And I feel like there should still be respect towards it, you know? And that was my thing with them. I was like, there's no bad blood.

And just because I'm not on this season doesn't... You never know. Yeah, like my, you know, there's been a lot of And just because I'm not on this season doesn't... You never know. Yeah. There's been a lot of things going on this year that have been great. And it might not align with Vanderpump. It might be next year. Might do another show.

Who knows? But can I just say, I appreciate you saying that. And right here, you speaking the way you're speaking is kind of what I talk about all the time when the whole reality reckoning and other reality TV stars, their lack of personal accountability. So like here you are, you've been exposed to the show, you know what it is, you've been on the show, you've dealt with producers, you've dealt with other cast. You also have things going on in your life. You have a very serious relationship. You recently got engaged and you must clearly have had thoughts about like, is this good for me? Is this good for our relationship?

A hundred percent. Long term. And you made a conscious choice despite whatever money or fame or attention that came with being on Vanderpump. You chose to not go on it because you didn't think the cost was worth the opportunity. And that was a personal choice. You might go back. You might change your mind.

But instead of. Yeah, now I have to pay for this wedding. I'm like, actually, I'm just kidding. That's what I'm saying. But instead of ignoring the risk, going on the show and then having it not go the way you want, knowing how the show works, again, I have little sympathy for it. Because the show is outrageous. Natalie and I will get into it, but Salt Lake City, real housing in Salt Lake City. Well, that's the thing though, too. None of them... And that's the thing though, too. Like none of them, and that's the question I had asked myself, like you're not going on there

for no entertainment. There's intention going on. And you know, what's my intention going here? What is like, do I want to exploit my relationship? Because I knew at that time,

my fiance and I were together for seven years and it was going to turn into why aren't you being engaged? Why aren't you doing? And then who knows what that would have turned out to or how that would have turned out because when you do film these things things do get lost in translation of what's real and what's not real yeah and i yeah like to your point i just wasn't wasn't willing to risk multiple things. And I do have to protect myself in a sense that like, I like professionalism.

I like career. I want to do more things for myself. And I didn't want to be pigeonholed. Yeah. And you made a choice for yourself. And I really respect that because what you didn't do is just kind of go on, ignore the risk and then blame other people when things didn't go your way i mean we're watching real housewives of salt lake city and the most recent episode we watched which one where uh meredith accuses angie's husband uh spreads a rumor that he's sleeping with other men oh yeah i didn't like that no it's horrific that was bad and i it is horrific what meredith did but and not not a but because it's wrong. But you realize that that's the world. That's a TV show. And about so i respect and it's entertaining that you decided it wasn't the right time for you because you had other bigger priorities and you made a conscious choice so so good for you and like you know like i said it won't who knows how i'll be back on tv

in which form or way but i like want to tell people too i feel like everyone thinks they're like your life is over after vanderpump like i was living my life before Vanderpump, had a career before Vanderpump. I still have a career, still doing things. I'm still living my life. And honestly, one of the fifth reasons why I didn't sign was because I haven't had a summer since 2019 because it was just Vanderpump every fucking year. And I was like, I want to have a summer this year where I travel and do the things I want to do and not be on a schedule that I don't want to listen to. Makes sense.

Here we are. Are you aware of the Christmas song that Sheena and Lala came out with recently? I am not. Did they? Okay, I'll be not nice i mute everybody besides ariana and katie and yeah after the show i muted all account after i decided not to sign the contract i muted all bravo counts all everything just for the like six months i took that job working for a doctor i was like i'm gonna

literally get myself so out of this world to like heal certain things and not be like you know because then you go back and forth i feel like if i would have watched things i'd be like okay maybe maybe i want to go back on and go film you know or like oh that's not right i want to go say something so it's really just kind of protect your mental health. Yeah. So I don't know about their song. Well, what is it? Is it basically I haven't I haven't heard the song. I've read the lyrics, but somewhere in the lyrics, they they talk shit about Rachel. They and my question to you.

Mm hmm. Cringe like get over it, move on or a fair game. Because honestly, I think it's a little cringe that Lala and Sheena love them to death as people, but like... Maybe if it came from... I don't know. No, I think it's cringe. I think it's a little lame.

Yeah, like move on. I feel like we don't... I feel like Christmas is positive and happy and joyous and maybe they should have done a shout out in a positive way for Ariana and not...

Yeah. They should have made a Halloween song if they wanted to talk shit about Rachel. But the holidays, right now, it's like Ariana, they could have done something cute like dancing through the snow, like dancing through dancing stars. I don't know. Something for her instead of giving more attention

to Rachel. That's what she's going to do, right? Yeah, Rachel. No, I don't like that. I think that's lame. But it doesn't surprise me. Why? Well. I would like you to say that.

I feel like they love to sing, right? Oh, it's because they love to sing. They love to sing. They make lots of songs. They could have sang about anything. Yeah. Why doesn't that line surprise you about Lala and Sheena? It's just like who they are, you know, which is their personality.

Which is? Singing songs that are cringy. I don't know. I just felt like. Their personality is singing cringy songs. Yeah. Like, you know, that's just them. Well, on Ariana's appearance on Watch What Happened Live.

Did she like it? She did say that Sheena is the biggest hotster of this season like shocking how do you think this season is going to go down

knowing that we're starting it obviously with like I feel like if I went if I said how the season went down I might like be you know those TikToks

like she predicted the future she knew so I don't want to say too much but I felt like I know that Sheena's already going to fold because that's just her personality what do you mean by fold? like she predicted the future she knew so i don't want to say too much but i felt like i know that sheena's already gonna fold because that's just her personality what do you mean by fold like she's probably gonna be friends with tom well according to ariana brock cozy's up to sandoval the most oh that doesn't surprise me either it's her husband oh we can start talking shit we can start go brock talk your shit i you'm not gonna, no, you know I'm not, but

I had to think about it. You know what? Fill it in. Doesn't surprise me. Why? Well, that's who he always has been. Which is? Like, he's like a payroll husband. Like, you know, he like does whatever

she wants him to do. Payroll husband. Bam! i just feel like i don't know they bother me honestly and they just think it's weird cringy desperate thirsty vibes like like even when brock just saw me and my fiance the other day it was like the questions people ask you you can tell they're not genuine it was like so what are you guys up to? It's like, why are you asking me that? What moves are you making? Yeah, and it's like, are you trying to determine what I'm doing after Vanderpump?

It's whether you like me enough or not, or whether I'm worth your time. And it's like, just things like that, and like, ew. And I just don't like it, and I just and I don't know, I'm a firm, like loyal person. I think I've made that like it. And I just, I don't know. I'm a firm, like, loyal person. I think I've made that very clear.

I think you can be nice and cordial and be an adult and be like, oh, hey, like, you know, like, he's here. You're not going to fight in public all the time, you know. But, like, being buddy-buddy and cozying up, especially, like, you can't be making these songs and then being best friends with, like, Tom. Like, that just doesn't make any sense to me but it doesn't surprise me yeah it's all i feel like the only thing we're gonna probably see is like katie be the best friend at all of them and then james will probably have yeah and that's why i've always liked katie she said james talks the most behind people's back. James does. I could see that too. That makes sense.

But James is also like in his world a lot. Like James lives in James's world, which that's why I kind of like James because we're born a few weeks apart. He's an Aquarius, which I don't like to be those people, but I feel like kind of says something. Like Aquarius are kind of in their own world a lot because I am.

And it's like comes off very aloof. And I feel like talking shit is very straight up. Right? Like, he just says things to people. And it can be perceived as talking shit, because they're maybe not there. But I don't think he has a problem saying it to them either. I really like Allie, though. I hope.

I really like Allie, too. I really hope she does good. She's very sweet. Yeah. And keeps herself out of that. And just headstrong. What else does this say?

It says, uh, Katie's the most loyal. Okay, so you ain't Lala cries the most. Oh, interesting. Most jealous of Dancing with the Stars, Tom. All of them. The star really got me. I feel like everyone low-key is jealous. I mean, she's the only Dancing with the Stars contestant to have been on the show. I saw her when I saw her, I was like everyone low-key is jealous. I mean, if she's the only Dancing with the Stars contestant to have been on the show.

I saw her. When I saw her, I was like, you are a performer. This is sick. It was so cool seeing her. Also, Charity. They're actually very good. They both did very well. Really well dancers.

Both went to the finals, yeah? Yeah. I literally was sitting in my chair like star struck by their performances because they were so good at dancing I feel like everyone's low key challenge the biggest flip-flopper

Schwartz duh I mean that's kind of goes without saying that's like his his first name should be flip flop Tom Schwartz he doesn't even know what's going on the

only time Schwartz takes a stand is when he can throw a drink on someone that's about it the only it's when it's against Katie that's the only standartz takes a stand is when he can throw a drink on someone. That's about it. It's when it's against Katie. That's the only stand he takes is that Katie does not

deserve to be defended. Yeah, that's about it. That's the one thing he's strong on. Honestly, I could have guessed all of this. Do you think... I should have done it, huh?

Man, it probably would have been fun. I had so many fun ideas. Maybe next season. I should have. I needed a break. I probably would have had... You're not wrong.

I would have had a... Which is... who had the bad breakdown on real housewives of new york city kelly years back fire island whatever that would have been me i would have had a breakdown this summer and then my fiance has probably been like we're not getting engaged after this you know every time we do summer we thought we're gonna have every time now i do some sort of red carpet interview with you know whoever there's always some sort of random like would you guys ever do a reality tv show like no one for the record no one there are no conversations being had yeah this to be be clear but like i would never with natalie for the reasons we just talked about like you put such exposure you put unnecessary stress on your relationship. That's just a fact.

There is no way getting around it. We fought the hardest during Vanderpump. We just were unhappy. We didn't like each other. It's stress that your relationship wouldn't have if you didn't do it. And some people are able to get through it, but it is not in the best interest of your relationship. That's just a fact. If you are going to have to have a relationship on TV, the whole point is drama. And so either

you are going to be willing to poke holes in your relationship or other people are going to do it. So I think I really respect your decision. If you go back on, we'd love to watch a year star, but maybe we'll do like the wedding segment. maybe yeah but then it's also you you have to invite all those people see like that's the thing i'm so grateful for because you have to come up with a reason why tom schwartz isn't invited but he's gonna show up anyways yeah and that's the thing it's like i'm sorry my fiancee was like going back now like we talked about it because my engagement was on bravo con so he was going back and forth with Bravo and the producers. And he was like, it was his 30th birthday weekend. So he's like, I don't mind.

I'll change my birthday. And I was like, I'll change my birthday. Yeah. He's like, I'll change my birthday weekend. Like, it's fine. Like, we don't have to do this. And I was like, no, like, this is point A of like them controlling everything. And I'm not gonna be able to even go to your birthday. But I would also would have had an engagement without all of my friends there because it would have to be filled with Bravo. Or I mean, with Vanderpump, because they were filming a show.

And that moment would have been taken from me and been used for Vanderpump. And I feel like not moment in my lifetime, you know, like a core memory that I have with my really good friends and my close family members. Not like we've seen every engagement. I'm not like just the group. Yes.

On a Vanderpump. About something totally unrelated. It would have ended up in a fight somewhere or something silly would have happened. And I'm glad that my memory is mine. And now I can go back. I'm like, I'll do a wedding, you know, whatever. I'll disinvite some people for a wedding, you know.

Fuck it. I'll have Lala officiate. Let's really switch some things up in here. Reverend Lala. Reverend Lala. I think she's mad at me still. Lala? I think everyone is like, I don't know.

For not doing it? No, I saw when I was at the producer's, they told me something. I think there was like the behind the scenes episode. For season 10? Like an episode that got aired that didn't like. Sure, sure. I don't know. When they were doing that.

Yeah. Yeah. I honestly don't know because I muted everybody. And then I was like, oh, she unfollowed me the other day. I just realized it probably happened a long time ago. So that's OK. We will all talk about it one day. I'll water under the bridge. I love everyone on that show, though, in a sense of like,

I did that experience with them. And I did things with them. And I learned a lot about myself. And they saw me in certain places in my life, probably that were not that great. And I still did that with them. And they were still a part of my life whether i like it or not so and they always will be that's probably how you feel about bachelor right a little bit sure for sure yeah i mean i'm friends with some people yeah and then the rest i also wish maybe i came in a different era like when they were a little bit younger sure because maybe i would have made like more of connector relationships like i feel like i would have been like more of connector relationships. Like I feel like I would have been like Stassi's friend more.

Like, you know, I just came in on like a really weird time. Also, I feel like there is like this kind of unspoken loyalty with the OG cast. A hundred percent. I think you would have been a target potentially. Maybe if I would have came in there like the same like everyone else. I don't know. But I hope it's a really good season for them, though, and I wish everyone good luck.

And there's a season 12, 13, 14, and 15. Do you think there's a chance it can live up to, I mean, nothing will live up to Scandival, but do you think from what you know and what you can share,

what's your level of excitement? How excited should we be drama-wise, scale of one to 10? I think everyone should be excited because they're back. So a 10. Okay. Because I feel like this is also going to be like, you know, I really respect Ariana for showing up this season because I can't imagine how hard this is going to be for everyone. It's just going to be icky, you know? And that's a really hard

position for her and she's going to be in a room consistently with uncomfortable people and I just feel like that's going to be in itself very interesting to watch how that plays out. Okay. Yeah. Enough about this. Yeah. Let's talk about

the dinner party. Wait. What do you want to talk about? Who's your favorite Real Housewives of Salt Lake City? Oh, Salt Lake City. Okay. Sorry, I want to talk about Salt Lake City. I fucking love Salt Lake City. It's the best. It's so good. Who I enjoy watching the most is probably... Should we do a power ranking? Yeah, let's do a ranking. A power ranking.

How do we want to do it? Yeah, let's... How do we want to do it? Favorite or least favorite? Well, I love all of them. How long have you been watching it? I started with them from the beginning. Oh, wow. Okay. Because that's when I first got into like, I was like, I need to watch what I'm a part of.

Yeah. So you've seen it all. Yes. And I love it. Yeah. Everybody says Salt Lake City is the gateway drug of Housewives. Like everybody you talk to is like, start with this one. Yep.

Salt Lake, I said last week that Salt Lake seems like a spoof in the best possible way. Like an SNL skit. Of Beverly Hills. Yeah. I could see that. All these women were huge Beverly Hills Housewives fans and got their own opportunity. And this is the- And they checked in.

Yes. Lisa Barlow said, I'm clocked in, babe. So how do we want to do this power ranking? Do we want to go first to worst? Or like, what's the category? You ladies decide. I don't know. I mean, I think my personal favorite to watch on this show is Mary.

Mary? She's so funny. She doesn't give a fuck. She's like her authentic self. Yes. Like them in Palm Springs when Angie and Whitney are like, come sit with us. And she's like, stop talking to me like that. I don't like to be talked to. I'm not coming over there.

I think it's hilarious. But I also kind of respect her boundaries. No, 100%. Because they are like, when she brought up... When she walks out, they were in Palm Springs, and she clearly said it to a producer. She's like, that's scary. When they said

something to her, and she just... I can't remember shit but i feel like they did attack her and like her church situation when she did welcome everybody in and granted like her situation probably isn't ideal for everybody but like that situation being her married to her grandfather well it's not her grandfather it's her step-grandfather well when she left not by blood you're talking about when she left the show right because she was on a season one and two and then left for season three because the women were attacking like and they were saying she was like a scammer and like all these like fraud things and like what about her church and like where the money and just all this and like that she was like responsible for like getting someone killed

like that's kind of like big so for her to come back I feel like she's like she's funny not like by intention but she really like has to kind of

put like these walls with these girls she hates them all and that's what makes it even better she doesn't even associate they allow it though like they

I would not allow someone to call me inbred to my face like that. Like, she... They don't ever fight back with her. I think that they're scared of her. I think that they're scared of her and Meredith. No one fights back with Meredith.

I hate the way Meredith handles situations, though. I wish she would just, like, fight. I wish she would argue. But she just gets up and walks away. And it, like, pisses me off so bad. Well, it kind of just seems like gaslighting right like a little bit like shutting you down if you speak and it's kind of not fair like you're talking to me disrespectfully

I'm not it's like well you just accused my husband of sleeping with men and she's like no how do you want me to come at you respectfully learn to talk to me with respect she does it in a fake accent that's what gets me it's like that accent doesn't exist she made it up to sound like proper and elegant.

That's what I said to Nick when the iconic scene of her in Palm Springs, you can leave. And then she's like talking to Lisa outside and her husband. She does like pull out these like this weird British kind of accents when she's arguing. And then she always brings up like the kids, the struggling kids. Like, how dare you? Like, you can't talk to me that way. There are kids in wheelchairs. It's like, we know. Why does it have to do with this particular topic? bed dying i was like what is i'm also surprised no one's like bringing that up like being more aggressive of like why are you like slurring your words and like asleep for 10 hours in the bed like no one's like addressing everyone's just like lisa's like oh she's in the room she'll be fine

i think people are gloaky kind of scared of me that's what i'm saying i feel like they're various and she has like a law degree so i was gonna say turns it on they literally are like don't fuck with meredith she will spread a nasty rumor about it. She makes threats. She's like, I know I have tea on you. Warn them. She puts out the warning

and that warning and those rumors aren't like little like, oh, I wouldn't trust them. It is. I think her husband's sleeping with other men. Like that one was heavy.

That was that one stressed me out. That was I don't like when the housewives fight like that. I'm like, now we're getting too deep. First of all are lisa giving sexual favors for jazz tickets yeah that was holy shit even if these rumors were true it would be horrific to put it out there on

national fucking television yeah like let's fight about whether or not it's okay to call someone a dolphin trainer like that's the housewives like back and forth that we want let's fight about whether or not it's OK to call someone a dolphin trainer. Like that's the housewives back and forth that we want. Or the fight about Lisa not wearing glam for the whole drag queen show. I understood that, though. Why? Because. Trixie Mattel was there. Yeah. But when you're older and you have like sensitive, maybe she had like sensitive skin, you know, and didn't want that type of makeup on it.

I am the king at not being fun when I don't want to be fun. Like, I have no problem being like... I love Trixie, by the way. I mean, I would have done it. Yeah, goes without saying. I would have done it. But I have no problem being like, no, I don't feel like it.

Everyone do shots? No, not for me. Maybe she was feeling insecure. I have no problem about that. But just own it and just say, I'm not going to do it. Just call it what it is. I'm not going to be fun.

Like, I don't feel like... Yeah, but when Monica was like, they're being wet noodles, and she was like, who's being what it is. I'm not going to be fun. I don't feel like it. Go do your thing. Yeah, but when Monica was like, they're being wet noodles, and she was like, who's being a wet noodle? I'm not. I put on, and I'm head-to-toe couture. I have a Fendi bag, and I have purple eyeshadow on. What do you mean? It's just like, don't be obnoxious

about you not wanting to be fun. We didn't do our ranking. I like Heather the best. You like Heather the best? I think she's the most grounded and self-deprecating. I loved her reunion look, by the way. She can be crazy as much as the next one, but I trust Heather the most. Oh, really?

That's interesting. You trust Heather the most. I think she's the most self-aware of the housewives where she knows this is all kind of ridiculous, but like like fuck it yeah you know and I feel like

all the other ones are I don't know how self-aware they are I think you have to rank by like good TV yeah maybe that but Heather's still

pretty good fucking TV you know yeah Mary Mary's the best TV Mary's the I feel like Mary's hilarious I love

I do love Lisa Barlow I trust Monica the least really what about I don't know Mary is the best. Mary is hilarious. I love, I do love Lisa Barlow. I trust Monica the least. Really? What about Monica do you trust? Maybe because she's so open that she does. I mean, the affair thing, I don't trust people who have affairs, period.

So like if you have affairs, I don't. With her brother-in-law. Yeah, I don't really trust you, but I do think she's beautiful and she's fun. Even if we weren't going to completely categorize anyone who's ever had an affair, just because maybe some people can heal. I'm just saying. All affair people die.

But to your point, when Monica was talking, when she was telling Heather early in the season, she was laughing about it. This is not someone who really sounds like someone who's like, I really fucked up. I destroyed my entire family. This is something my kids are going to have to watch on television.

No, I don't think she cares. I don't think she gives a fuck. No, I don't think she gives a fuck. I think this bitch has one mission and it's to be the star of Real House of Salt Lake City. And she's doing it. And then when she was crying because she had to buy a Louis Vuitton bag to fit in. You also can rent some now. Don't

people rent bags now? I feel like that's weird. No, I know. But what an amazing talent to victimize yourself because you had to buy a $5,000 bag because you wanted to fit in. When she said that, I really didn't take them to be a group where they really cared about that. In a sense, I feel like if she had a cheaper bag, I don't think any of them would be like, Oh my God, she doesn't have a Louis. Even though they are a little bit into brands, I just don't see them. It's still Utah. She wanted to buy the bag.

She had the bag. And then she realized maybe it was over budget. So she had to justify it. And then she justified it by blaming all the other women. I mean, it kind of goes to like the dinner party for Beverly Hills where they're talking about Kyle's ring and whatnot. And then Kyle looks at Garcelle and she's like, where's your necklace from, Garcelle? And she's like, Zara. Yeah.

I actually love that. I love that. That was great. And I was actually surprised that she like. And that's it's funny because I feel like. So I feel like. That was great. And I was actually surprised that she like, and that's, it's funny because I feel like, so I feel like for a minute we couldn't really watch. It was like an unsaid thing between the Vanderpump group.

It's like, you don't watch Beverly Hills Housewives. Why? I think after Lisa left, it was just like, it was just a vibe, you know, like it wasn't like ever set.

Yeah. Like, you know when Lisa's like, I don't know, Lisa's like Lisa. She's mother. Yeah, she's like, mm, looking at you like, are you gonna watch that? So, Lisa might feel the same way about Beverly Hills Housewives

as Taylor feels about Kim? Maybe, yeah. That's a great reference. Okay. Some could say. Some could say. Oh, and one could tell. No.

But that dinner, okay, one I'm gonna say, That's a great reference. Okay. Some could say. Some could say. All in one could tell. All in one could tell. But that dinner. Okay. One I'm going to say. What is going on with Kyle? Do you guys feel like her like. Is it like. Is she going through something?

Or is it. We know that her and Mauricio are now. Separated. Separated. But my thing was in the beginning. I was like why she was being so like. Kind of made me like immature. And like kiddish about it. Like all these like weird giggling about the the beginning I was like why she was being so like kind of maybe like immature and like kiddish about it. Like all these

like weird giggling about the tattoos. I was just like say it. Just say what's going on. I I'm I'm kind of going to defend Kyle here just because also I haven't watched

in a while. So unfortunately I'm new to this season. Unfortunately for Kyle that she she's obviously going through a public divorce. So all her other peers have the ability to be like, see, we were right, you know, yada, yada, yada. That's true. Being right has

nothing to do with whether Kyle was ready at that time to talk about what was obviously going to be a very sensitive topic. Yeah. And so the whole debate is whether Kyle should talk about this or not. And it seems like all the other housewives are basically saying, see, we knew something was going on. Therefore, we had talking about someone's body. So, yeah, you must be going for a divorce. Like, I think that's really unacceptable. I think it's really toxic for anybody who does have, like, disordered eating or an eating disorder. It is, like, any comments are harmful,

whether they are perceived to be positive or negative. Like, it's just a bad entry point. It made me really sad, though, when she, like, I'm actually devastated that they're breaking up. Like, I really hope that they, like, figure it out or maybe work on things. Because I feel like there was such a big powerhouse couple in like LA but when she said that it's like almost that you guys like wanted my husband to cheat on me like you guys wanted that like like at the dinner she was like it's like almost like you

guys needed that validation like oh Mauricio had to cheat on Kyle and I'm like that like broke my heart for her because I felt like that's a really hard thing to do. And that's why I was like, maybe my side of things, I wanted her to be more blunt with everything. So it was just done and over with. But from your point, I understand. Yeah. Someone was planting that seed of like, again, even if it were true,

it's just like, that's so, again, this is all being filmed. I was going to say, it's also what you sign up for right they did it to erica before they did it to everyone so it's kind of like no i i that's why like when i when we talk about this i just won't blame the show or producers because it's what the show is but i i i can still hold like these other women or who you know your castmates to account because they they can choose not to bring something up. Yeah. You definitely have a choice not to,

you know, go there, so to speak, but you're right. It is the show. So like, if you do sign up for it, do you almost feel like they're doing it back to Kyle to be like,

Oh, she's always badgered us about things. Now we can badger her back, you know, like they're like, Oh, now it's my time to like hook one in. But really the only person

who's doing it is sutton and like a little bit of garcelle yeah and it's like well daria i guess did it in a friend way in the beginning she did it as a friend i did respect her when she was like hey if you don't mean to talk about this anymore we won't talk about right right that's what you should do to read is a little fucking sneaky potster. She is. She is not as, she is not as un-messy as she tries to come across. Like, what do you think

of the whole upside down sweater shawl? Listen, I appreciate it. I think she was actually trying to tell her. She came up to her and was like, hey.

Like, she wasn't trying to call her out in front of everyone. She was like, she's seen in a corner like, she's seen Denise's jackets backwards.

Obviously, she knows she's on, she has a microphone. She knows like in a corner like saying Denise's jacket's backwards. Obviously she knows she's on. She has a microphone. She knows cameras are around. There's no such thing as whispering on reality television. How else was she supposed to tell her that her jacket's upside down? You don't say anything. You just let Denise wear an upside down jacket? You probably wouldn't have noticed it.

It's like spinach stuck in your teeth. It's not the same as spinach stuck in your teeth. It's the same. Was same as spinach stuck in your teeth. It's the same. Which is obvious to you. Yes. And it made her look more of a kind of courage, a storyline that she was fucked up. Fucked up. And I feel like she was trying to save her from it. You could have pulled

her into a bathroom. The cameras would have followed. You could have pulled her into a bathroom. The microphones are on. You could have pointed it. You could have literally said, babe, come into the bathroom. You could have taken it off her and put it on. That would have been, no, that you can't. Denise would have been like, no, I'm not going with you. She would have made a bigger scene. Yeah. And then they're like, what are babe come into the bathroom you could have taken it off her and put it on no that you can't she would have made a bigger scene and then they're like what are they doing in the bathroom I think Dorit knew what she was doing

also you do like I would just muffle mine all I'm saying is Dorit knew what she was doing she knew she was calling her out no she wouldn't I don't think she meant it in a malicious way it's also fashionable I know what you're doing you're doing and i i felt like i understood where denise was coming i know you know okay actually

i will say about this this is a prime example of why i think you should take a break from certain groups because you get in your head from the bravo world especially that everyone's out to get you and no one's your friend and everyone's toxic and everyone around you is bad people and you can't get that out of your mind. So even someone saying, hey, fix your jacket, your mind automatically goes, you're coming for me. And that's what she did. I think that Denise maybe takes a break from the Bravo world for a year or two and then comes back. I mean, she did take a break, though. She left like for two years. I thought it was only one year. It was two seasons. See, I two seasons see I was gone yeah but maybe even longer

I just three I just don't think that that's like if someone came up to me and was like hey like your tags

your Jack it's inside out it's your tag I'd be like oh great thanks like that's not something that you get like embarrassed about

that's not something that you feel I think when you do a show like that you do you feel like everything that everyone's doing is attacking you also I don't think you're not that self-conscious of a person no i just think denise obviously was not in her right mind i think denise was whether it was her cold medicine because she had a flu who knows um but i think because she didn't even do

any of the thc either so she did did not. Who knows? Whatever. Whatever. Whatever is going on. She went through. I think she took that in a negative way. And I don't think Dorit meant it that way. No. Do you think? Because I feel like in those situations, I think the best thing to do is to text someone.

Like if my friend has something like stuck in her teeth at a group dinner, like I'll text her. Like would that have been an option? Like do you think they have phones? Well sometimes you don't have your phone on you so it just depends on the situation. I'm just saying when you're mic'd up and the cameras are on you and you get called out to Charlie's point you realize this is

all being filmed and if you've been on a show long enough like these women all have they're like editing that scene in their head they're like they're gonna do a flashback they're gonna do this you do you actually do things like that i'm gonna look like a fucking fool and yeah yeah you're like the soundbite's now gonna be used like sometimes in the moment you'll be there and you'll be like fuck that's definitely gonna be used differently now but if you think denise in that state of mind was going to walk with dorit to a private bathroom

yeah no absolutely you're wrong yeah yeah she was not gonna she was not gonna trust mind was going to walk with Dorit to a private bathroom. Yeah, no, absolutely not. You're wrong. She was not going to trust Dorit whatever was going on. Even if she even had spinach in her teeth, I don't think she would have been like, fuck you, Dorit. You're a spinach bitch. You made the spinach. It's all your fault.

But I do like Dorit, though. I do, too. I like her. I enjoy watching her. I think she's beautiful. Erica, like, I think there's only one person I think that I, like, actually... Son? No, scares me is Erica. Like, when that scene when she was like, what's empathy? I was like, oh, my God.

I think that's her performance. You think that's her? That's why I'm... I don't like people like that, though. I don't like people who are performative and then take it down because then it's like, when you're filming with them, they'll be like, oh, I didn't really mean what I said. That was just me performing what she did in the season. And you can't do that.

I think Erica. You can't always blame your character because this technically shouldn't be a character, right? It should be your real self. True. be your real self true but i think erica does herself a disservice often by performing and paints herself in a light that actually isn't who she is i agree but she is doing it so you know it is you know i mean in her defense she has like an alter ego right so there's erica gerardi and then there's erica jane so erica jane is like her like aggressive like I'm gonna cuss you out talk about my pussy like she said things like that like

Justin's a sweet boy I don't know if you're ready to say that I'm gonna cuss you out I'm gonna talk about my pussy No like that's her thing like she would always say it and people would be like you can't say that you can't say that and she's like it's not me that's Erika Jane. Yeah. So she excuses a lot of like. That's kind of bullshit. Yeah. Sorry that's my author ego. That's insane

you can't do that all the time. Hmm. Hmm. Okay. What else? That's it, right? I think we kind of wrapped it up. Well, let's finish our Salt Lake City power ranking.

Oh, God. I forgot. Mary won. Mary won. I'll let you two do it because I don't think we might not all agree. No, let's just do it all together. I don't think it's a universal thing. Yeah.

It's very much. Well, that's a common thing. Yeah, I think it's very much. Well, that's a common housewife. It changes like, it's like football. How about, we'll go. Babe,

what's yours? I mean, who I enjoy to see on the screen, who I think is like best TV is Mary. Monica and Lisa are kind of tied. Yes. Meredith, Angie,

Whitney, Heather. That would probably be my exact same list. Why, why Heather last? Because she's. Well, Meredith, Angie, Whitney, Heather. That would probably be my exact same list. Why Heather last? Because she's... She doesn't like stir up drama. She's not like screaming at people and like, you know, like she's just like kind of...

I move Heather up a little bit. I like Heather so much because she's like a good soundbite for like... She's like the word of reason. Yeah. She kind of makes me laugh with the way she handles... It's like she's a really good mom. She's like, yeah, I've heard that rumor. If you're a stylist in Utah,

I mean, she just has funny one-liners. So I'm going to say Mary, Heather, for entertainment, Monica, Lisa, Meredith, and Angie. So Whitney's last for you. Yeah. I forget that Whitney's on. Yeah, this season Whitney's not like that.

I guess there's nothing really happening. Meredith drives me crazy. She is my least favorite person in the world. You just ranked her as third. She's entertaining, though. Justin, what are your power rankings with the criteria best TV? Lisa Barlow is my favorite.

And if we take Angie Kay from last season, I think she has really good one-liners. So I would go like Lisa, Angie, Meredith. I like Whitney. So Whitney.

So this is my... Heather, Monica. This is a preface. Is this your first? Are you starting where I'm starting? I watched season one. Okay. So I'm starting in the current season.

Yeah. For anyone who's watched them all. I like... Now that I've gotten into Bravo, I like starting... Everyone's forgetting about Jen Shaw. I like start, well, I'm familiar with her story,

but I haven't watched her. I like starting in the current season and then going back to get like reference. It's kind of fun that way. Jen Shaw would top it though. She'd be at the top

for a lot of people's lists. Yeah. Well, how long is she in jail for? Six years. Oh shit. Holy shit. She'll probably get let long is she in jail for? Six years. Oh, holy shit. She'll probably get let out by like early

when they have good behavior. Maybe. How long was Teresa in there? Not that long. Not that long, like two years. Yeah. And then she came back

like a bodybuilder. Yeah. Yeah. That's sick. Good for her. Charlie. Thanks. It's been a pleasure.

Thanks for having me, guys. Really enjoyed having you again. So fun. Yeah, so much fun. Nice officially meeting you. Thanks. It's been a pleasure. Thanks for having me, guys. Really enjoyed having you again. So fun. Yeah, so much fun. Nice officially meeting you. Congratulations. Let my audience know where they can follow you,

watch your stuff, your content, whatever you're putting out. Everything you can follow me is just Charlie Burnett on all social platforms. And how do you spell Charlie? Oh, yeah. C-H-A-R-L-I. And then Burnett is B-U-R-N-E-T-T.

Happy holidays, everyone. Happy holidays to you. Hope you guys have a good little season. Thanks for having me. Cut out everything. I'm just kidding. Absolutely not. Cut out all my shit.

Thank you guys so much for listening. Be sure to tune in on Thursday. We have a great guest, the one and only Justin Sylvester from E! News, also an attendee at the dinner party. He was, I believe, Kyle's guest. So we'll talk with him. He's hilarious. Yeah, he's hilarious. He's the best.

He's super fun. And also, I don't believe he's under any NDA for the dinner party. So we'll hopefully get some behind the scenes there. Plus just kind of get his thoughts on all of the pop culture news going out in the world, because obviously at E! News, he is tapped in. So we are excited to talk with Justin. That's Thursday. I think that's it.

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