The Viall Files - E68 The Art of Swearing with Gary Janetti

Episode Date: December 11, 2019

Gary Janetti (husband of Brad Goreski) joins us to discuss his book Do You Mind If I Cancel. We talk about what advice we would give our younger selves, how to figure out your passion, and the art of swearing. Then we get into dating people with big age differences. Don’t feel the pressure to say yes to things you don’t want to do! Be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode. THANKS TO OUR SPONSORS: BEST FIENDS: https://download.bestfiends.com NOOM: https://www.noom.com/viall BOMBAS: https://bombas.com/viall PROACTIV: https://www.proactiv.com/nick See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

what is going on everybody happy wednesday happy mid-december how's your christmas shopping going how's yours going i don't start till like the 23rd ah typical boy yeah well you're you're you're done i'm already done you're done what'd you get like done in october are you a big black friday cybermunder gal oh someone just sold an oil oh that's the noise it makes uh yeah that's exciting yeah i i am unfortunately my bank account suffers mightily you're a kind generous person what do you mean well buying presents for people well if your bank account suffers it does are you not a black friday shopper no i'm like a december 20th shopper yeah i'm really bad you don't even buy for yourself on Black Friday? No. Oh.

I buy for myself 365 days a year. You know? Yeah. I think if I need something, I... Just buy it. I get it. That's good. I try to be, you know, smart with my money.

I know. My dad's like, you don't have to buy it just because it's on sale. Yeah. It's hard. Is it? Yeah. Well, great. I hope everyone's having a really great day. it's hard is it? yeah well great I hope everyone's having

a really great day Rochelle and I were out fundraising for cystic fibrosis late into the night late into the night our

my dear friend Demi helped helped as she is a big fan of the drag queen community yeah it was at Hamburger Mary's

drag queen bingo it was fun did you have a good time? I had a great time there was it was at hamburger mary's drag queen bingo it was fun did you have a good time i had a great time uh there was it was cougar city there were so many cougars hitting on they were all from like calabasas and they were hitting on nick there's a group of young lady that were mesmerizing rochelle they were they were entertaining it was a fun dynamic you uh you thought there was a cute young man there that you know. I have a crush on, he's a scientist in my volunteer group. You left for five minutes.

You came back and you said to me, very cryptically, well, I tried. And I didn't know what that meant. And then we kept playing bingo. What do you mean you tried? I keep putting the vibes out, you know. But last year I would always ask people. I'd be very forward with guys I liked. And it never worked out.

I'd be like, hey, we get along. You're cute. Let's go out. And they would always say no. Like to see your face? Yeah. So I took a step back and now I'm go out. And they would always say no. Like to see your face? Yeah. So I took a step back and now I'm trying to. I don't mean to laugh, but you're laughing the way you say it.

And you're just describing a guy going, yeah, no. That's basically what happened. I'm not lying. No way. Yes. So now I took a step back and I'm trying to just put vibes out. And that's not working either. But you got to keep trying.

Yes, you do. He's an English scientist. He works in a lab. In English? He's English who's a scientist or he's a scientist who studies the English language? He's from England. Oh, he's got a British accent. Yeah.

I wanted to get a look at this guy without knowing his voice because I wonder how much, like, is he like a seven who looks like a nine because he's British when he talks? You know what I'm saying? How much is the British accent? Oh, like how hot is he? The British accent, how much does that help? It's more the scientist that I'm into.

What is he, scientist? He's trying to cure cystic fibrosis. Oh, God, yes, your dream. Oh, my God. He's like a superhero. Wait, was this the, this wasn't the gentleman who spoke at the other foundation, Dr. UCLA?

No, he was cute too, though. Yeah, he was married. Yeah, they all are. And so you kind of put out your vibes. I'm doing a vibe push. And he's just what? He's just not pretending to notice or? Well, when I.

Do you know he's single? Yes, he got a, yeah, I do. He was in a very toxic relationship. He said, yeah. He said this to you? Yeah. When? When I interviewed him to be in

the group you interviewed him yeah position of power i am in a position of power yes i'm the leader of the group yeah that's true i might be overstepping my i probably not what if you what if you had this is the risk of friend zone but like you could just like ask him to hang out more like in a non-date one-on-one yeah like what do you always have to like feed his cells he's gonna what feed the cells in the lab that's excuse he gives me a lot he's gotta he's gotta feed the cells yeah he's like i can't gotta go feed the cells so that could be a line yeah okay i don't think it's gonna happen you don't think it's gonna happen well to prioritize your to to pass your time when he's feeding your cells are

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Yeah. I know you had me worried for a little bit. It's getting to be really enjoyable to play. It's so fun. I think you always need to have a fun game on your phone just to pass the time when you're bored when you're stressed totally and ideally you learn from it exactly it's good for you to play i've played other games where it's just like i definitely got dumber yeah but not with best fiends my favorite part are is the bright colors and the

bugs you can help them grow. They change their costumes. You got to defeat the slugs. It's super fun. It's cute. No, it is. I just find like I get better and better at it. So which means I feel like I'm getting smarter and smarter. I know.

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you're looking great. Thank you. All thanks to Noom. All thanks to Noom. Trying to get that new year new me started right. But it's true. I think you're doing great. I like this high ponytail you have going on. It's like a spunky

Rochelle who just got off her Noom. Yeah. You know, used her Noom in the morning. Noom, it's an app for your phone. You spend about 10 minutes a day on it. You log your food. They teach you how to change your habits with food. And you get a support group.

And it's just like if you're feeling like you want to feel better in your skin and feel healthier, this is the perfect step. I totally agree. Every time I try to make a change in my diet or just health routine, it's, you do, you really feel like you're alone. You know, you'll get this idea, you'll like download something on the internet and that like, and it's so easy to cheat. Noom really helps you stick with it, right? With the community and just being able to always check in.

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today that's Noom.com slash V I A L L the last weight loss program you'll need Gary Gennetti was very fun he was more than fun. I really enjoyed my time with Gary. For those of you who don't know, Gary is our friend of show Brad's

husband. Brad Goreski. Yes, Brad. I feel like Brad's on a first name basis at this point in our show. Maybe not. I don't know. Gary is the more successful one in the relationship i like to joking brad's very successful he's killing it uh gary is so he's smart and successful he's

writes for family guy he used to be the showrunner for will and grace and he's the author of the new and very entertaining book do you mind if i cancel i this book. We'll get into why I love this book with Gary. He's funny, entertaining. He's just a delight. And I learned a lot from him about his life and perspective. And I don't know, it was just a fun conversation about life and his journey and him writing the book and what we learn about ourselves as we grow up and looking back on our lives, it was just fascinating for me. I liked what he said. He talks about thinking everyone else is going to plan your life for you and that everyone else is going to give you this amazing opportunity. He had to realize he had to create it for himself and that he had permission to do that. I really, really liked that.

And I think that, yeah, that's a very relatable life lesson. I think most people don't really learn that until like much later than they thought they would. You know? Yeah. It's a, anyways, I really enjoyed it. I think you guys will too. Definitely check out Gary's book, Do You Mind If I Cancel?

It's on Audible. You can buy it on Amazon. It's fantastic. But before that, I really hope you enjoy this podcast in this show and i know i did don't forget to rate us five stars uh i feel like we could use some oh by the way rochelle congratulations congratulations to you uh and also congratulations to you listeners yes uh the vile files and something i am very proud of was selected by by iTunes as 2019's most popular new shows. There weren't many shows listed.

There were not. As well as we just found out that Associated Press also selected BioPub. Top podcast of the year. Top podcast of the year. And thanks to all you people listening. Couldn't do it without you. Truly.

I mean, I'm really, I'm all serious. I'm very proud of the show that we've created and it's really, it means a lot that you guys listen and that you like it and you give us feedback. And I feel like we've built a community. It's been a lot of fun. I hope bigger things for us in 2020. But I do want to say thank you to all of you who are listening. It does mean a lot and something I know Rochelle and I are very proud of. So thank you very much. Nick works really hard on this podcast and it shows. I mean, I like you guys.

You know, I like talking to my friends. I don't have a girlfriend. I just have my listeners. That sounds so depressing. Don't say that. Meanwhile, five stars if you please. I need your validation. Anyways, thanks again, guys.

I really appreciate it. And without thanks again, guys. I really appreciate it. And without further ado, Gary Gennetti. Gary Gennetti, thank you for coming. No, thanks for having me. So nice to have you. For those of you who don't know, Gary is friend of show Brad's husband. That's how I got to know Gary. That's right.

And then I come to realize that Brad is married to... Brad, I see Brad as this great guy, successful. Brad's kind of like the second fiddle in this relationship. Don't tell him that. We'll keep it between us. I say that as a friend. We'll keep it between us and our entire audience. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Gary is incredibly successful. At first, when I heard about you you were you had this amazing meme account of which it was all about the royal family which is like i i find out is super successful and wildly popular like so many people like oh yeah the guy who has the prince george yeah the prince george account and then i find out that you you know you're the successful writer. And then, oh, it turns out, because I know some people in the Family Guy franchise that, oh, wait, you were the showrunner

for that for a while. I wasn't a showrunner for Family Guy. Will and Grace, I was. But Family Guy, I've been on since the beginning, on and off. Okay, so you worked for Family Guy. Then you're the showrunner for Will and Grace. You're a rock star out here.

And you've done so many things. I recently had the pleasure of listening to Gary's new book, Do You Mind If I Cancel? Which is a great title, by the way. Oh, thanks. Yeah. How did you come up with that title? I don't know.

I was talking with my book editor, James Miliah, who's a great guy. And I just said i think the title for the book is do you mind if i cancel and he was like i love it so like okay great it's so like passive aggressive i had the title before i knew what i was gonna write but i was like i've got a title it's it's really something it's really great and how would you describe the book from your point of view it's a bunch of short stories about your life. Yeah, it's essays. It's autobiographical essays about my childhood and young adulthood. All the point in my life where I was lost before I knew how to figure it. It took me a while to figure

things out. That was kind of my takeaway, which I thought was really interesting. And a lot of we talk about on the show is perspective. And I think sometimes even my audience will accuse me of coming across as sometimes condescending when I try to share perspective. Because the biggest takeaway of my life so far is things I thought about life in the past. And as you get older, you think differently. And that was the biggest takeaway immediately from your book as soon as I started listening to it. To me, that's what it was about a book about perspective. And you had a line in the book, it escapes me, but it was just about looking at things differently now or how you were in the past and kind of making fun of

yourself. And towards the end of the book, my absolute favorite part, and I listened to it twice, was your letter to Gary. Oh, thanks. I love that i listened to it twice was your letter to gary oh thanks i love that you listened to it twice it was it was a great book because i feel like then i thought to myself everyone needs to do this but it was i thought of it almost literal where what if we could do this but you can't clearly like i was listening to my younger self yes and i was listening to this the younger self i'm like i can't wait to younger Gary reads this. And I'm thinking to myself, shit, all the ridiculous things. And I was writing about all the ridiculous things, you know, all my kind of OCD kind of things that I do now, the things that I obsess about kind of preparing myself for all of the, you know, the ridiculousness. And then, yeah, and then as I was writing it, it was kind of like, but what's the real truth of it, too? What else? What truthfully would you want to say to yourself? So it kind of does get a little bit more, you know, real, you know, honest. No, it felt like, again, I listened to it on Audible. I didn't read it. And I think if you

are going to, you should read Gary's book. But if you listen to him and read it, I think it makes it even richer from your point of view. That's just my opinion. But I was really, I was really in the moment listening to it because it felt like such a sincere letter to yourself. And when you think about it, it was like a really sweet, touching thing. Then I felt a little bit of sadness that younger you couldn't read it. Yeah, it's okay. I mean, it all worked out. It worked out.

Wouldn't that be great, though, if you could get a note? What would you tell your younger self? That's a good question i need to think about it but chill out you know yeah that's a big fucking note by the way yeah to say younger self relax yeah 25 and under nick just man who cares oh yeah i know who fucking cares man it's it's uh yeah a little bit a lot of i mean more. But what, could you imagine if we could do that? And what would you do if you got a note and you knew it was actually from you?

It's, I know it's a very, it's like a Black Mirror episode. Would you listen? Yeah, right? Do you watch Black Mirror? I've seen it, yes. Okay. I feel like now we'd get a text that would be, because it's all about technology,

and be like, what if you could text your younger self? You know, that kind of thing. Would you, would you? You would get texts. Would? Although there were no texts would okay would would you knowing that it's a fact it's a fact that you know it's proven that this is older gary yeah and you get it would younger gary listen to older gary i think he would have felt better okay i think he might have felt a little better but i think younger gary would be frustrated about how many think he might have felt a little better but i think younger carrie

would be frustrated about how many years he'd have to wait and all the shit he was still gonna have to go through and stuff because you want things to happen now so while something's comforting you know like even when it's like it's like the equivalent of when you tell young people now who are being bullied on in school or having a hard time and you know it's it's easy to say you know it's gonna get better or, you know, it's going to get better or don't hang in there, all those kind of stuff. But when you're in it, it's like every day is a year, you know, things go on. It seems impossible almost. So it's almost in some way, I feel like it's a hard thing to even be able to go back and tell somebody that without,

they still have to get through the day to day kind of thing yeah you know how old were you when you feel like you finally were truly comfortable with with yourself and kind of how old were you feel like your rest of your life kind of really began okay i can answer that instantly 18 18 and 18. I know it's so strange, but I had almost the exact words you used. When I graduated from high school, and I remember when I graduated from high school, I went to St. Francis Prep in Queens. And my parents had an opportunity. My dad worked for a cruise line, which is in the book. And my parents were like, oh, we're going to go on this cruise to Alaska, but it's during your high school graduation kind of a thing. And do you mind if we went or we're

not there? And I didn't really have any friends in high school. I was, I just wanted to get through it. And I was, anything that didn't shine a light on it, I was happy that they weren't there. So I went to my high school graduation with my sister, and then I, she had to go to work. And I went to my high school graduation with my sister and then I, she had to go to work and I went home alone from my high school graduation on the city bus because I lived in Queens. And I remember sitting on that bus like it was yesterday and thinking, and now my life will begin on the way home from it. Like clearly having that thought. So to answer your question, and it did from that day, it was almost like I knew it was like I had to get through this. And now it will begin. And then when I went to college,

I was popular. I had a lot of friends. I came out during college. I had boyfriends. I had the life that you probably should have in high school. Do you know what I mean? So it's like this kind of case of arrested development a little. So then and I talk about it in my book too when you get when i get into my 20s it's like then it kind of made it hard for me to figure out anything else you know like how a career what i want to do how do you achieve these things because i was playing catch up with the things that i didn't get to do you know when i was younger and i was enjoying that stuff but at a certain point in your 20s, you start off and it's like you're having fun and you're going out and you're meeting people. And I was a part of, you know, the scene or whatever it is, you know, I had the trendy jobs where I got to go out and I knew people in restaurants and clubs and all of these things. And then as you

get further on in your 20s, you're kind of like, what am I doing? What what what's going to happen to me? You know, what's my, you know, how do I make what I want to happen happen? Like, it felt like I was on the outside of everything and I didn't know how to get in. So, 18 is when my life began. But when I figured out what to do with my life, that took another 10 years. Okay. And that's kind of what I was wondering too, because, you know, listening to your book, it was, you know, you to your book, it was, you know, you listen to it and it was a lot of, you could tell all these stories was about you kind of figuring out what you wanted to do. And, you know, we get so many callers are listening. And I know I related when I was younger, this, your twenties is like, I always say that you

spend most of your twenties trying to live up to the expectations you made for yourself when you were a teenager, which is kind of bizarre because what do you know as a teenager? Yeah, nothing. And we spent all our 20s trying to like fulfill these like fantasies that we had. Meanwhile, kind of still figure out what you really want to do.

It's a wild thing. And it's not until your late 20s usually where you kind of settle in like, this is the thing I actually want to do, that I have a passion for, that I want to do on a regular basis. And it's stressful. And you put a lot of pressure on yourself. And then how do you even follow that? And what does that mean? And you never learn those things.

You know, there's nobody to, you know, I worked every terrible job in New York. And also, you know, I started working as soon as you could work when you were 16 because we had to get a job. You worked. It wasn't like I didn't come from a – The grocery store? Yeah, the grocery store. I didn't come from a background where you could have a choice not to work. I needed to work and to help subsidize all the things you wanted to buy.

And then when I went to college, I always had to work. subsidize all the things you wanted to buy. And then when I went to college, I always had to work, you know, and so there was never a time where I didn't have a job. But when I moved to Manhattan, and I started working, you know, I knew I wanted to be a writer and an actor, I kind of didn't know what it meant, or how to pursue it, or if I was good enough, all those, those voices you hear in your head, you know, that you kind of try to quiet. But I would, my delusional mentality was like, I'll get a job at a trendy hotel. At the time, it was the Paramount Hotel in New York, which was the beginning of boutique hotels. Everybody stayed there. Just to get a job there was like, you know, being a movie star in my mind. And then I thought, and I'll be surrounded by people who worked in the entertainment industry,

and they work in film, and they work in fashion, and they work in soap operas and, you know, everything. They all came through the hotel. And I'm like, so if I get a job there, somebody will discover me, you know. And if I put myself in front of the right people, they'll know what to do with me kind of a thing, you know. Like, I don't need to get involved in that. Just put yourself in front of, you know, be modest. And then somebody will be like, excuse me, Gary, could you – I don't need to get involved in that. Just put yourself in front of, you know, be modest. And then somebody will be like, excuse me, Gary, could you? I don't know.

I'm sorry. This is going to sound crazy. But would you want a contract role on all my children? Me? Would I? Oh, my God. I never thought of it before. But if you think I could do that, I'd love to do that.

You know, there's this bizarre backwards thinking, you know. Do you want to be in a movie? Are you a writer by chance? I actually am a writer. Oh, my God. Well, I work for the New Yorker. Do you have any short story? I do. You know, this sense of like, you put yourself in the right place, and then everything else will take care of itself. Like, nobody fucking cared about me who work came into the hotel. It's like I was there to carry luggage nobody was concerned with my welfare what my future was in the 10 minute interaction they had with me obviously yeah well it's almost the opposite too especially in those industries

there's kind of like it's hard to uh get there and people who do want to protect that and they know some people do some too some people are very. Some people run into it and it's like... There's two ways. You either reach a hand down or you kick the hand. I believe in you help. There's room for everybody. There's not a finite amount of success. Believing yourself kind of thing. Yeah.

But no, in that circumstance, I was kind of shy about what it is I wanted to do or didn't know how to be an active participant in my life. I just felt like, just put yourself in the right place and then it will present itself as if by magic somebody was going to, you know, and I think that's not an uncommon thing with young people because since I've written the book, so many people in there, you know, and I'm obviously not in my 20s anymore. Now I'm middle aged, but I'm writing about the time in my 20s, which was a different time than it is now and a bit jealous of, you know, how millennials I which I love, because I think they have so many opportunities now. And I think it's a freer kind of generation, which is a wonderful thing.

But I have a lot of people, since I've written this book, in their 20s coming up and saying how much they relate to it. It's exactly what they're going through, the kind of thing. And I think that never changes. If you're honest about that time in your life where you feel so lost and you kind of have this ridiculous notion of how things are going to happen. And you kind of need to figure it out. And I think, you know, that I like that, to know that people are still, it still connects with people as opposed to somebody saying like, oh my God, I have no idea how you could feel like that.

I feel nothing like that now. Things are so different now. Totally. And that's what's funny. The book, it's a different time. And it's actually nostalgic to hear about the times like, you know, your first job at the grocery store,

how you just like kind of gave it all for free or you'd go home with magazines and it was like... Yeah, I was like, the magazines were like my magazine rack. I never thought of it as stealing.

You're totally stealing. I took every, like $50 worth of magazines home a week. Like, oh, they didn't cost as much time. But I was you know what tv guide people magazine us magazine my mother likes ladies home journal i'll get that for her life magazine i don't read it but i'll bring it home you know you would totally be in jail yeah but nobody thought you know we just would walk

out with them so in that regard it's nostalgic but to your point it's like it it does it is a kind of a timeless story and i think it's enjoyable it's an easy read easy listen for anyone but if you're like 18 to 30 and you're in your 20s and you have anxiety about the stresses of figuring out your life for yourself you should absolutely check out the book because it really is so relatable in that sense it's kind of like oh okay yeah i'm not the only one yeah it's a nice thing to know you're not the only one and you have all these stories in fact when you're reading the story like wow another great story where he hasn't figured it out yet it's like when is he gonna i know when does he get to the part of like being the showrunner for willing great Greg. Yeah, it doesn't happen in it. It's not interesting to read about people once they have already kind of are doing their thing,

unless it's like this some kind of tell-all kind of thing, which is like a different thing. Yeah, but it's important to note like what you have accomplished, knowing that you don't get to that part of the story, but like, oh, he went through all this? Like, wow. Like, you know, so many people people like and we get callers we'll have our callers on on ask nick and it's 23 24 25 and some of them talk as if like well it's the rest of her life and it's over not over but like well this is the life i've chosen for myself and i have a i don't necessarily love it, but here I am. So how do I make the most of this life?

And I'm like, just start over, change, do something different. People are not always easy sometimes in situations. No, I think people also are so afraid of failure and so afraid of being embarrassed by it or humiliated by it, or I'll fail. And what will that mean? What will, I find out I'm a fraud, or I can't or I'm not good enough and rather be confronted with that, I will put it away and go forward with this thing that I'm not crazy about, because it's easier than actually putting your making yourself vulnerable to fail. Yeah, you

know, but once you fail it was like that i even say when my 20s i was like i wouldn't ask somebody out because i was like what if they said no i'm like who cares if somebody says no it's like there's doesn't matter but it's like the idea of getting past that and it's like i fail all the time i still fail at things and it sucks when you fail and something doesn't work out and it's like, I fail all the time. I still fail at things. And it sucks when you fail and something doesn't work out. And it's like, but once you allow yourself to fail, that's the only way you succeed. And that can be a hurdle, I think, a lot of times for young people to get over, especially now. I think I didn't have social media reflecting a world to me that seemed perfect.

I mean, obviously, the idea of social media is you want to put your best foot forward with it, you know, so, but it can give a skewed reality to people making it feel like you're, if you already feel like you're on the outside of something, it could make you perhaps feel more, you know, on the outside of it. And you just have to be like, oh, yeah, this is all curated, and everybody curates their thing. There's not a time I don't find, like media and within 10 minutes literally feel like an outsider. I do. I have that, like you feel FOMO, that fear of missing out

or everyone's having fun but me or why am I doing this? You see people like on the other side of the country going to a thing. It never doesn't give me anxiety, even still. Yeah, you should then be on it less. Yeah, no, i try to because it's also it's just kind of like silly i think it's like we we put import sometimes on things that you know it's like okay everybody everybody needs to give themselves

a fucking break and can i it's okay please oh yeah by the way now that you say that uh gary's an amazing swearer. I don't know. That's my favorite thing I think anybody's ever said about me. It's, I think there's a way to do it. I think there is. There is an art. There's an art.

I don't think I've mastered that art. I think sometimes I will. All right, I'll help you. But you, I think, correct me if I'm wrong, you tell me, but like your book isn't riddled with you swearing. It was perfectly timed. When you do it, it felt like it really had the desired impact. I think sometimes I'll do it too much. But when you did it, it really was like, fuck yeah.

I don't know. Have you won an Oscar? No, no, I haven't. Because one of my favorite lines, is there's a lot because you were you were bullied by a guy in in school yeah and you were talking about you looked him up on one of my first you would talk about how you looked people up on facebook yeah this is i mean i i i kind of um you know that's not exactly what happened in real life but i kind of you know but the way he said that's the way you you swore was

like that was a great use of the f word that's a delicate yeah if you're gonna it's a good word how have you uh any any notes you could give us out there for for really not overdoing it but when you do it really have an impact you know yeah save it for when if save it for when it really you get the most bang for your butt you know what i mean when you get the most value out of it or something that makes a lot of sense yeah and i feel like i know that but i don't always do that and then yeah and sometimes it's and then you can repeat it sometimes too enough times and then know when to pull back and kind of i try not to rely on it too much bombas socks rochelle god you're you know i'll tell you what your fashion game since this podcast started through the roof through it started pretty

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Are you kidding me? There was a good, yeah, a good 18 month period where I'd never not had a pimple. And like, I'd never, I was lucky enough, I didn't suffer from severe acne, but like, man,

16 to like 17 and a half. I'm sure it was real rough for you. Every day. Like, what the fuck? I just got rid of, and I really wanted, I remember wanting Proactive, and I remember like asking my parents, and my parents were like, eh, you're fine. Don't, I love my parents, but like when it comes to acne, don't be like my parents. Yeah.

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be an intimate connection. In fact, people you interact with will serve a purpose in your life, like the maitre d' of the host at a restaurant. And it comes across as kind of almost superficial, but it's like, it's just a reality of like accepting that certain people come and go in your life. And that's okay. And I really, I quite liked that perspective. Well, you get that when you get older too. The nice thing is like, look, now I'm 50. If I wrote, if I had written this book when I was 40, it would be a different kind. It would be a different book. I wouldn't have been

as honest, actually, at 40. Now I feel I can look back on myself with more affection. I wouldn't have had the ability to look back. I think, you know, you're too close to it. And now I can say in the book, and I can talk about how good looking I was in my 20s without sounding ridiculous or so full of myself because people excuse it because of where because that's not the case anymore. So I can kind of have fun with, you know, all of that kind of stuff. But when you're a little further away from it, I think you can get away with more and you realize that, yeah, people have come in and out of your lives. You have more to look at. More of your story has unfolded, right? And like a wedding, you know, you don't realize it when you're younger. And I'm talking young, young, like when your friends start

getting married the first time, they, oftentimes, it's the last time you see them. A lot of times, you don't realize it. But I'm like, now I'm like, oh, it's the wedding. Let's go say goodbye to so and so, you know, it depends on the level of relationship you have. But a lot of those college friends, it's all of that stuff afterwards. It's like, you're kind of all celebrating what you'd had before and then moving on to your new life. And so often we don't see people after they get married. Still see my friends, but it changes my best friends. We still call each other best friends. And I look forward to when I go home in the holidays of like hanging out with them. But

that's it. Like that's like three times a year. We used to hang out five times a week. We would talk to her every day. They have their kids in their lives it is drastically different our friendship is mostly based off of nostalgia in the past and knowing that if we needed to we would be there for them but we never really have right i know nostalgia gets a little gets old fast at least for me i'm like i can't talk about these stories anymore i can't like that's i don't want to i don't want to live i don't want to you know yeah that thing makes sense one of my favorite lines uh i mean you talked about i mean you were joking about how hot you were when you were younger gary had this great line it was in your when you got bumped up to business class and you were wearing a short t-shirt here he goes i

realized later in life that i was wearing the best thing possible. And that was a 20 year old body. I was self-conscious that I wasn't dressed properly to be in business class. I was in like shorts and a t-shirt. Yeah. You look back and be like, everyone was just like, who's the hot 20 year old. That was such a great line.

I always want to tell younger people like, this is as hot as you're going to be. Enjoy it. Stop hating yourself. I know. It's the other thing that I say, too. I'm like, stop wanting to be older. It's perverse.

Like, what's wrong with you? I spent so much of my life wanting to be older and taken seriously, whatever that meant. My brain, I was like, I need to be taken seriously. I don't know what the fuck I thought I needed to be taken so goddamn seriously for but it was always like I need to be taken seriously as a writer or this kind of idea that I needed to present myself more as a person of substance or something so I didn't seem you know like like this thing. It never really changes. Yeah, as you get older, you will accomplish more

and you'll work your way up. But it's different than you imagined when you were younger, right? The recognition, I think, and what it would feel like. Because I think- Definitely. As you get older, it's just like when I was younger, you were like, oh, I want to have this job and make a certain amount of money and do these things.

And again, the recognition or whatever. And then you're like, oh, I want to have this job and make this certain amount of money and do these things and get the recognition or whatever. And then you're like, oh, yeah, I guess I did that. And I never really appreciated it when it first happened. It was just part of the grind or life. And it's great. But it wasn't like they're going to – you imagine when you're younger, it's going to be this moment, you know, where you get up and like thank you awards or whatever. And it was just like, oh, you just got a job and no one really cared. I think, yeah,

you know, for me though, like I, I wanted to be a writer for so long and I didn't know how to go about that or what that meant. And which I ironically write about in the, in the book when I got my first job and it was a staff writing job on a sitcom that failed, you know,

and, but it was the very first job I ever got as a writer where it was like, and it was a message on my answering machine that I got the job and I came home, I was just waiting to find out if I got this job that I had gotten an interview for. And I've never felt a level of since then, joy at any work related thing that has come that has matched that. Because it was the first time I'd been seen, I was the first time I felt seen in my and I didn't realize it was the first time I literally felt seen, like I'm seen as the thing that I wanted that I presented myself. It's almost like

it's like, this hasn't been happening in my head. Because you can you can really kind of make yourself be like, have I played this odd in my my head is this never going to happen i call myself a writer i'm not you know but when somebody is saying like we are now hiring you as a writer you you i'm seeing you as this thing you you have been and it was like yeah i'll never forget it was like finally you know this sense of like finally like like it's like it happened Somebody saw me as the thing that I have been wanting to be, you know, for so long. And that's a powerful thing. No matter what it is you do, no matter what anybody does, if you pursue the thing that you're passionate about, or, you know, it, it will, and you finally get seen as that thing. It's a, it's a good feeling.

Yeah, it's great. And I think it's so good feeling. Yeah, I mean, it's great. And I think it's so fascinating how like, and I'm guessing what you made or offer, your status was bottom of the barrel. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it all meant so much more to you for that very reason. Yeah, but it was like,

it was the beginning of everything, but it was like, but I was a writer. I could actually say, you know, this, you know, yeah, and it was, yeah, just to be seen. Life's funny that way, because you just never, I mean, and I'm bad. I'm bad at being present. I'm bad at being in the moment. And I know that most of my regrets in life, if I have them as I get older, will not, will never enjoying whatever that moment was in the moment that it happened. Yeah. You know, also, as as you get older you might find that

things that are regrets stop being regret well yeah that's the thing i don't have a ton of regrets in that regard of like oh i should have said this or done this differently because there might be things like i wish i would but that's what i mean the only regret will be just whatever it was just not wanting it to change or wishing it would go away or wanting something different. But because there was always like, you know what? That wasn't interesting. Like, I wish I would have just been more present.

And I think that's something I struggle with. And like, I don't know, like appreciating that moment as much as, because you go, you appreciate it later in life. Yeah. To like, wow, I really soak in this thing. I just dismiss moments sometimes i just i'm always on to the next i'm always i get that i couldn't be like that too by the way we brad and

i have gone on vacation sometimes and he's like there's something wrong with you because we went to i remember we were in like thailand and he's like what are you doing and i was on a computer in the thing in thailand researching our next trip i was like i want to go i read i just heard about this hotel and it's like why are you looking at a hotel in italy while next trip. I was like, I want to go. I just heard about this hotel. And it's like, why are you looking at a hotel in Italy while we're in Thailand? Just because I thought in the summer, you know, with the idea, like this crazy kind of thing. I know I'm insane.

I can't stop that feeling of like, yeah. Speaking of you and Brad traveling, Brad and I talked about this a little bit, but you guys have a new show coming out. Yeah, yeah. And it's going to be you and Brad traveling the world. Yeah. I'm looking forward to it more now, having read your book. Before, I was like, oh, it's based on Brad's Instagram.

But your neuroses when it comes to Googling other things, and now knowing you a little bit, and Brad, and like, I think that's going to make for a fun dynamic. Yeah, it'll be, I'm looking forward to it, too. I don't really know what it's going to be. I think we're just to make for a fun dynamic. Yeah, it'll be. I'm looking forward to it too. I don't really know what it's going to be. I think we're just going to go and see you guys just be ourselves. Yeah. Which seems to be entertaining. Yeah, I hope so. You know, I never thought of it in those terms when Brad started doing those Instagram stories

about us on vacation in Italy and people were responding to it as it being entertaining. I was like, really? I'm like, okay. That's just how we are. When do you guys start shooting it? In the new year. Oh, that's fun. And then it'll come out?

I think in the summer. Okay. How do you feel about Brad flirting with Nick so much online? Oh, I think it's very funny. Yeah. No, I think it's super sweet and cute. Brad's the best. Brad is the best.

This is a guy in a confident marriage. He gets the cure. Yeah. We talk a lot. Rochelle gives me a very hard time about sometimes we were recently talking about dating younger people. How many years older are you than Brad? 11. 11.

Is 11 too much? No, 11's great. No, but Rochelle recently suggested to me that, well, we had a caller who thought she might have like a fetish about older guys. And then she was- Oh yeah, I think I- Yeah.

And it was like, then I was like, oh, like how much older? She's like, oh, you know, he's in his mid thirties. She was 26. No, she said late th She's like, you know, he's in his mid-30s. She was 26. No, she said late 30s, 40s, and she's 26. Okay, so like 11, 13 years. And I'm just like, wait.

I don't think that's much older. And you're married to Brad. He's 11 years younger. What was that like for you when you when you guys got together uh well he was 20 yeah he was 23 and i was 34 he looked young too for 23 i was just like he looked young uh but i looked younger too because we kind of have young looking faces um but yeah 11 years it was definitely like were you self-conscious i wasn't tremendously self-conscious no no i wasn't self-conscious about it i think any older i would have been you know i was at a different place in my life than he was at 23 um i was

already you know established in my career at 34 And he was kind of didn't know what he wanted to do yet. He was in a in a more unformed stage of his adulthood. But it's never been an issue at all, ever. The only time it ever was that I ever thought about it was Brad did a reality show. He Brad was on Bravo for a while. And he had a spinoff. And his show, It's a Brad Brad World, I appeared on. And I never had been seen or been on. People knew him and that he had a boyfriend from Rachel Zoe.

But I never wanted to be mentioned on camera, seen on camera, because I was very protective of my career as being an independent thing. And I didn't want to be associated with reality TV. Now, of course, it's like so different the way it is. But then it was just something I, you know, I was like, I don't want to be in a part of this. You enjoy it. But when I was finally seen, and then I, you know, was on the show, people were like, I was like, how old is Brad's boyfriend? Oh, my God, I didn like, I was like, what? We're only 11 years apart. He's like, what's the big deal? But I think obviously people had a perception of like, also Brad looks even younger than he is.

So they, they probably pictured, you know, somebody that was his age, you know, exactly. So I had never thought of it until then. And I was like, that was the only time for a minute.

I was kind of like, people are horrible. Like like they're so mean to me but you know that everyone has an opinion i have found yeah yeah but yeah i mean people will i mean i i get criticized i get well can i defend myself why do you get teased i'm older and what are you 30 watt nine okay i've like thought of myself like why do i give nick such a hard time about it and playful i'm not but yeah it's play it's all fun it's all fun but like women we struggle with like the idea that we lose value the older that we get and so the idea and kind of have that too oh really yeah they do oh okay so if the fact that like you know like successful older men only date young women in their early 20s, I guess triggers me of women still have stuff to offer in their 30s.

Yeah, and 40s and 50s. Yes, exactly. But I go on dates with girls in their 30s. Have you ever dated anybody your own age? Yes. Recently? Relatively. Okay. Yeah. Alright. So it's not like just a thing

of like you would only... But it's... Relatively recently, I've dated people my age. I often... Like my sweet spot is probably late 20s. And then there are like people outliers who are like early 20s. And then there are like people outliers who are like early 30s.

And then there are people outliers who are like early 20s. Okay. Does that make sense? Outliers. Outliers were like, more often than not, I seem to meet women in their mid to late 20s. Okay. That's fine. And then like, yes.

And then sometimes I'll meet a young woman woman who i'm like how old are you i'm like huh okay well we can hang out for a while but like this isn't gonna go when are you gonna be 40 in september okay yeah well enjoy the summer because then because then it's gonna be suicidal then it's gonna be different yeah no you're like in your 30s, but then once you're in your 40s and she's 22, then it might start to be like you can be her dad. I will no longer talk about my age in 10 months. Yeah. So it's going to be off limits?

Off limits. So it's fine. Completely off limits. It's completely fine. It will be completely off limits. No, no. There'll be no mention of it whatsoever. Yeah, Brad's 40 something now.

It looks great too. Yeah, he looks great. He's like more buff than ever before. What's going on there? Yeah, I know. Yeah. You know, he works out. He works out a lot.

A lot. And he's got his like, he's like buff. I know. Yeah. I didn't notice it as much until for Halloweenlloween what did he go was jennifer lopez or something yes that was amazing i was like you look like a linebacker i'm like i didn't know you were so big once he's in a dress he was like i didn't i was like who's bread hanging out with oh shit that's i know it was very like yeah that was it was uh that was really scary poor jennifer

lopez um and any we're gonna play this game with you called do you know me uh we like to play but before we do do you have any uh final takeaways if you want to share to your audience whether it's about your book or any like you seem i you seem obviously really good at giving a lot of perspective about your life that i think is very relatable and what else can can you with us? Oh, well, no, thanks. That's nice. I'm glad that you say that, you know, but if it is something you ever feel that,

you know, when you're kind of lost at a certain point in your life and you can't figure it out, I think check out my book because it might speak to you. It really would. I think it's very... Yeah, do you mind if I cancel?

Also, New York Times bestseller, by the way. Flex. yeah nice i know what what is next for you uh in your professional career other than making tv with with brad yeah make tv with brad i'm gonna write another book you are still on family guy yeah okay yeah awesome working on some other stuff that seems to be more than you need yeah uh all right we're gonna before we let you go we're gonna play a fun little game called do you know me okay okay it's real simple okay uh i'm gonna ask a question i'm gonna insert your name rachel and i are gonna guess the truth behind this don't answer right away give me an example don't answer can gary name the last bachelorette and we're gonna guess whether you can or not uh this is a that's a pretty basic one sometimes they're more um general and there's a fun anecdotal story behind it i feel like you'd be good at uh answering that okay but we're gonna

guess who knows gary better okay you ready do i participate will you eventually answer the question after rochelle and i will debate as to why we think gary for example i understand knows her doesn't know the last batch right okay question number one can gary for example i understand knows her doesn't know the last bachelorette okay question number one can gary name the last bachelorette well we know he doesn't watch the show watch he watches real housewives but he is in tune to pop culture and i think you'd have to live under a rock not to know the first name of the current i'm gonna say no i think it's out of sight out of mind i think he's got if you watch the real housewives there's like six different ones you don't have room in your mind all i know is he just knows the name okay yeah rochelle's right yes i don't there's no

room for that you have they don't they don't exist you don't watch the show they don't exist it's like i don't watch the real housewives of of um potomac so those if one of those women were sitting there they wouldn't exist i'd be like hello lady from the supermarket i don't care you'd be like she's on i'm like i don't know i don't watch it if it was ramona singer i'd be like ramona's there what's she doing out there can i talk to her oh my god you know that she's exists to me yeah so it's the same thing with yeah the bachelor like they don't exist to me it's like sports for me the only guy i know is tom brady everyone else is just a guy yeah yeah yeah that but i am a big pop culture junkie so there are things that i do know that i don't

watch but that's not one of them like i'm impressed gave you three names you wouldn't be able to pick all right try let's try but i don't know uh jojo uh becca or h Hannah I couldn't pick I'm gonna guess Becca because it sounds like a name it does sound like a name well they were all three bachelorettes but Hannah's the most recent

yeah wow sorry I'm impressed I'm sorry Nick she just presented at the CMA Awards you didn't watch

no question number two okay has Gary ever fainted it seems on brand it seems on brand i feel like he would describe himself as fainting but never actually has fainted i think he's worked himself up he hasn't eaten right he hasn't drank water there was fainted there was the whole thing about faking being sick which also by the way makes you oh you fake speaking he you tell a story that there's a

monster inside there i'm a good liar i have a really i let's just say i could take i could take a secret to my grave it's a very elaborate thing he did to his mother at a young age of well how old were you oh gosh probably about nine it was it was like this little monster oh it's just it's just i i pretended i was sick for a very long period of ferris buehler's day off like a lab like it was i so much that i convinced myself that i was sick oh like that kind of thing i'm just gonna say no he actually never fainted where he literally just fell over and a hundred 100% fainted and fell over. First of all, Rochelle, you're really funny.

I love you. I love the way you've got me down. Like the whole thing. He didn't drink enough water. He didn't hydrate. There's a thing. That's not how it happened. But I did faint once.

But you're so you also kind of you're close in what would be getting me. But I did faint once. Not the reasons that you said. I'm also a kind of person that if like I was taking my dog out and coming back into the house, I tripped and fell on and I hit my head on concrete, like and slammed my head back and fell backwards and really hard. And then I ignored it and I pretended it didn't happen. And then later I was in the bathroom and I just fainted.

Like I just, I woke up on the floor having, and then I, like Brad wasn't home. This was like over 10 years ago or something. He was in New York or whatever. And I was like, I think I should probably go to either the emergency room or go to bed. I was like, I'm gonna go to bed. I'm gonna ignore it.

You went to bed? I did. And I'm- Did you have a concussion? I don't know. I must've had something, but I just ignored it. emergency room or go to bed i was like i'm gonna go to bed i'm gonna ignore it but i did and i and i'm did you have concussion i don't know i must have had something but i just ignored it i i pretend it's like it's fine yeah i was like it's fine the ocd didn't like so i did faint no i don't know why it didn't then rochelle going to an emergency room i'd have to have cut off my hand to go to an emergency room yeah after watching er probably i'm not go to an emergency room. Really? Yeah. After watching ER, I'm not sitting in an emergency room with gunshot victims saying I hit my head while I took my dog out

and spent the whole night there. Okay. So I fainted. Rochelle's up 2-0. This is unprecedented. I like this game. This is unprecedented. I can't talk. Unprecedented territory. Question number three. Has Gary ever been an unpaid intern

these are great questions rochelle thank you i feel like a break into the entertainment industry paid interns yeah i mean they don't really do that anymore they usually pay interns now thank god but back then i think i think he did i never no i'm gonna say no i'm gonna say yeah he did whatever it took yeah no also good for you prideful i think he thought he would think it's beneath him to make money yeah i like that you have me as prideful beneath me i never did it i it's not beneath me but i i never had an opportunity to do it i'm not saying it is beneath you or you recognize that now, but would have 19-year-old Gary thought it's beneath him.

Probably. Okay. How did you get your first writing job? I just, you know, by the time I moved out here, I was ready to start writing. I moved out here when I was 28. I just started writing spec scripts is what you write. And I knew, I sent one to an agency.

I sent them to an agency and somebody, a friend of mine from New York was like, I know an agent at that agency. And they read it. And she represented me. And I got my first job. It kind of happened unusually fast for me once I started. I mean, I did all of my service industry jobs in New York. And I paid all my dues there.

But once I moved here, a few months after I moved here, I was working in TV. Wow. I know. And i haven't stopped i can only talk about it now because it's been over 20 years because i never wanted to jinx anything you know i would always be like don't just keep eye on the product keep looking forward i never look back it's always like forward forward forward and this was the first time writing this book maybe kind of look back and be like i guess i can talk about it now because it's been 24 years of working constantly so i'm not going to jinx it you know that's great so wait two one making a comeback yeah two one has gary taken a zumba class yes yes no oh damn it no but it's a good that would be a good guess i

would have guessed if i just i feel like you'd really enjoy it. I would have guessed yes for me. Oh, yeah. I would take one, but I have never taken one. Oh, with the housewives? Come on. That'd be fun. Still 2-1.

Does Gary know the Pythagorean theorem? Say it again. Does Gary know the Pythagorean theorem? I'm not saying that right. No, you just did. You just did. Yeah, you got it. Pythagorean theorem but i'm not saying that right i do i know this i know i i know it i'm because this is not about me does gary know it uh the look on his face is making me say no it's like you can do this g I'm going to say yes for fun. You can do it. Something square. Yes. Thing.

No. No. You're thinking of the quadratic there, but just it's simple. Triangles. Yeah. Pythagorean. I don't know it. A squared plus B squared equals C squared.

Yeah. Oh, good. Wow. Look at you, Matt. I was terrible at math. The quadratic equation is what? Plus or minus. Yeah. Yeah. Square root of. Over two math genius. I was terrible at math. The quadratic equation is what? Plus or minus? Yeah, yeah.

Square root of. Over two or something? Something like that. Yeah. All right. So still 2-1. 2-1. I can't win, but I can tie.

Oh, I don't know. Is Gary left-handed? My gut's saying yes. He's a creative. I'm left-handed. Is Gary left-handed? My gut's saying yes. He's a creative. I'm left-handed. I'm left-handed. Come on, Nick. I'm going to say no just so I can tie to the 50-50 guess.

Okay. No. I'm not a monster. I'm right-handed. Jesus. Wow. Oh, wow. No, I'm right-handed. No, Wow. Oh, wow.

No, not right-handed. No, they used to, I went to Catholic school, and they, you know. They would make you. No, they didn't make, I mean, I'm not that old, but my mom also went to Catholic school, and they would make, at that age, they would try to switch the kids who were left-handed. I was the first generation where they allowed kids to be left-handed. Could you imagine? A real pioneer. Isn't it big?

No, it sounds like. They were like, no, you can't use your left hand. Is it true or just a wise tale that's how a lot of people would have a stutter? Oh. From trying to have your hands tamed? The movie The King's Speech. Oh, yeah.

He had a stutter. He had a stutter. Again, it's a movie, so who knows if it's actually true, but it sounded very believable. The psychology behind at a young age being made to right-handed when you're left-handed, it was a reason why people would develop a stutter. Oh, wow. That makes sense. forms, I think, forces some kind of anxiety to manifest itself either in a stutter or some other

kind of way, you know, because it's your, you know, the anxiety of not being who you are. Oh, man. Yeah. Good, right? Explains my anxiety. Were you made to write right-handed? No, no, no. I'm just talking about other stuff. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah.

Oh, sure. I mean, that's where we all get it from. That was a fun game. It's been an absolute pleasure. Thanks, Nick. Oh, sure. I mean, that's where we all get it from. That was a fun game. It's been an absolute pleasure. Thanks, Nick. Thanks, Rochelle. Where can people find you all over the world? At Gary Giannetti is my Instagram. Yeah.

And don't forget to buy or read or listen. I recommend listen. Oh, thanks. Yeah, the audio book. For the people listening to this podcast, we all know you like to listen to things on your phone. check out gary's book do you mind if i cancel um it's great thanks nick new york bestseller it's just a great lesson on life yeah thanks do you mind if i cancel yeah i do actually yeah i don't i definitely don't yeah please cancel do you find yeah that people

no i love that you mind no i mean it depends okay i've never i'll never mind ever ever nothing enough there's not a thing in the world in my best anything i would never it would be it's always the best thing to get oh my god thank you i don't have to go yeah oh 100 and if you get the worst text is like i might have to cancel can i let you know in an hour? It's like, let me, it's too late now. You've already opened the door that this might not be happening. It's like, you know what? Don't worry about it. Tonight seems like it's not good for you or whatever about it. I'm totally fine. Yeah. I'm like, once you've opened the door that this might not be happening, there's no going back. Well, note to self if if I make plans with Gary. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I won't cancel, though, weirdly. It's like a game of chicken.

You know, usually I'm like, let's see. But I don't usually tend to make plans anymore that I would cancel. So anything I make a plan to do. You don't feel the pressure to say yes to things you don't want to do. Correct. And on that note,

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