The Viall Files - E682 Reality Recap - Vanderpump Cheaters, Housewives DMs and Parenting Advice with Josh and Paige Peck

Episode Date: December 19, 2023

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap Edition! Today we are joined by Josh and Paige Peck to talk about all things reality TV. First, we talk about Vanderpump Rules and Josh’s friendship with Kristen Doute. We evaluate Scandoval and why it had such an impact on the cast and the nation as a whole. We also talk to Josh and Paige about their relationship and parenting advice they want to impart on Nick and Natalie. What are the pros and cons of showing your children on social media, and would they want their children to be actors? We also talk about some Housewives drama, from Beverly Hills to Salt Lake City to Ultimate Girls Trip.  “I always find it amazing how people can take others’ painful experiences and make it their own tragedy.”  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Highland Titles - Imagine that you can become a Lord or Lady for just $30. Check it out at https://www.HighlandTitles.com  and use the discount code VIALLFILES to get 25% off your order. MeUndies - Knock out your holiday shopping today and get 20% off your first order, plus free shipping, at https://www.MeUndies.com/VIALL  Nutrafol - Take the first step to visibly thicker, healthier hair. For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners ten dollars off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you go to https://www.Nutrafol.com and enter the promo code THEVIALLFILES. OneSkin - For a limited time, our listeners can enjoy an exclusive 15% off OneSkin products using the code VIALL when you checkout at oneskin.co   Vessi Footwear - If you have a trip coming up and need the perfect travel shoe, head to https://www.vessi.com/VIALL and get yourself a pair today. Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @shuapeck @paigeobrienn @nnataliejjoy @alison.vandam @dereklanerussell 

do you watch any of your stuff i used to have a real aversion to it now i do i try to watch it once and be done yeah one and done yeah how many times do you watch it, Paige? Never. No, that's not true. I watch some stuff. Sometimes. Some stuff if it's good. Yeah. I watched Oppenheimer all three hours. Thank you. You're like, I skipped over a couple bars. Did you see Barbie first? No, but I do feel bad because we were in Oppenheimer and my phone rang and we have like a one-year-old at home and so I kind of like looked down at my phone for a second and looked back up like it was stop very quick and Josh goes you just

missed like half of my line and I was like I'm so sorry and I was like halfway through the movie I've already sat through however many hours so we have to rewatch it I feel bad I saw the important part the main part yeah yeah yeah i'm past it but he just literally was like we've moved on you missed all my lines best four lines in cinematic history

well i think we're ready what's going on everybody welcome back to another exciting episode of the vile files reality recap edition i'm your host nick joined by the household of justin will and my fiance and pop culture correspondent she's sitting at the desk today i'm a little i'm having a it's like a weird moment for me she you look so proper i don't even know if you're wearing pants. I'm not. The lovely Natalie Joy is with us and she's sitting at the desk because we have our first double date

experience in reality recap history. The dynamic duo. The charming couple. Yes. The one, the only. Oh my god. Paige and Josh Pett.

This is so exciting. how are you doing we're great how are you doing I'm tired yeah I went to Vegas for my bachelor party wow tell us everything it was your own bachelor party it was okay fine that changes things yes well thank you to Natalie it truly wouldn't have been possible he likes to do this so that people aren't like, Nick, how could you leave your pregnant wife at home? I saw the flowers. I saw the flowers on Instagram. Yeah, he did. He's very sweet. No, but I'm not a planner. I'm not in my party era. You know, so the idea of a bachelor party.

party era you know so the idea of a bachelor party didn't like it wasn't like things i need to get done yeah before i have a kid and a baby like a bachelor party wasn't like on the list but we went home in october for a baby shower with my family friends got to see some of the guys the guys were like hey nick you have a bachelor party we were married with kids we needed an excuse to get the fuck out that's always the best and i yeah i wanted to see the guys you know and so we decided on vegas it being kind of centrally located it's a puddle jump from la you know i wasn't trying to try to do i was thinking like saint augustine florida you know just like a small quiet little town for his bachelor party i would have appreciated that it was truly based

off of convenience i'm not like a i'm not a vegas guy like i'll go but did the dads really get after it i feel like at every bachelorette party bachelor party it's always the parents who are like we need this the dads are like the ones they're they're full force i went to bed uh at 3 a.m which that's late oh my god i go to bed at nine that's the morning like yeah sometimes i'm up at like four and then some of the dads did proceed to i found out later head to the strip club oh yeah they rolled in about 6 a.m are we talking sapphire i mean not that I know Probably an experiment They don't remember They don't remember

I was at that point in the night Cozied up in my bed In my very comfortable bed at Resort World Have you been to Resort World? I have been there, I've been to their cigar lounge It's lovely We saw, well I did it My friend Dave went to the cigar lounge? It's lovely. Yeah. We saw, well, I did it. My friend Dave

went to the cigar lounge. Eight cigar lounge. Shut up. Yeah, eight. And he saw the owner of the Raiders was there having a cigar. Yeah.

We saw a couple Raiders players. I think they might be an affiliation with the Raiders over at Resort World, but it's a lot of fun there at Resort World. You should guys,

it's like a little city. I really enjoyed it. You didn't really leave, did you? Didn't really leave Resort World. Yeah yeah i had a bachelor party under duress because i planned not to and then that's how mine felt yeah yeah because we're you do it for other people you do it for everyone yeah well your brother one of one of my groomsmen was like we got to do it what are we talking about so we decided the night before the wedding to go to a really high-end strip club on the side of the 405 freeway and uh so we stayed in town and uh and i figured i'm with my brother-in-law and my groomsmen like this is as kosher as kosher

is going to get and randomly john stamos came and so it's all of us there at this place and then all i remember is stamos walks in and he's like god like because we're doing the move at the strip club which is just like thank you but no thank you i think i'm gonna i'll just have another orangina and then stamos was like come on come on we gotta get dances. Like, we got to do the whole thing. You know, we got to have fun. And so I just remember being in a room and Stamos is in the room

next to me and we're there like just with these wonderful people who are getting their masters, obviously. And I just hear from the other room, Stamos go, no, no, no, I'm shy.

Oh! That's so funny. No, no, no, I'm shy. What a polite way to reject. Yes. No, no, i'm shy oh that's so funny no no i'm sorry what a polite way to reject yes i'm shy uh there was a moment we went to on friday like everyone kind of wore themselves out the first night we were there for two nights by the second night we were in bed by 11 perfect yeah and as we were walking to the nightclub i looked back and i had this like like what a really pathetic group of clubbers because like we were just dragging ass because at this point it was like 12 30 by the time we went to the club which is past all of our bedtimes yeah and it was just a bunch of like dads roaming into the club kind of dragging ass and then we

walked to the club and i'm thinking we just do not belong here. It's not for us anymore. No, it's not for us and then we stayed there for like 45 minutes and then went back and gambled. Fun. I won a little money. Nice. I'm not much of a gambler but I really enjoyed it. So this is how

I met Nally through massaging indirectly. Sounds weird. Well, Natalie DM me. I've told the story a few times, but I I like a good chair massage. Like, I don't care if you're in the airport mall, you know, those chair massages. Great. If you're available and I have time, I'm sitting down. OK, I love getting my money. Yeah. You're getting my money. Express spa. Yeah.

When I lived in Venice, a wonderful lady named Diane was there every day. At Whole Foods. At Whole Foods. And as a single serving, single guy, you know, I'd go to the grocery store multiple times a week because, you know, I don't know if I'm going out for dinner. I don't know if I'm just going to like, I need a burger. I'm not like grocery shopping for the week. Sure.

Right. Very Parisian of you. Yeah. Let's get the essentials. Yeah. Just the basics, you know, just a single hamburger patty, maybe a chicken wing. And so I would always go and like get a 30 minute massage. Mixed just shirtless.

In the middle of the whole food. So I'd go four or five times a week. It just became a routine. I went, well, we built a relationship. So I'd go four or five times a week. It just became a routine. I went, well, we built a relationship. And as a young single influencer, not so young, I suppose, but like you, you need to take fucking pictures and like put it on the gram because they just keep telling you to post more. And I was like, fuck, I just haven't posted in a while. And I built a rapport with Diane, the masseuse. And one day I was like, this is really weird. Can you just take a picture of me? And so we went out to the parking lot. She took a picture of me. That was the picture that showed up

on Nellie's Explorer page that caused her to DM me. Sweet, right? Thanks, Diane. I only bring this up because as I was playing Backjack, they have these wonderful masseuse ladies roaming the casino floor.

And I just, all weekend long, I was playing Blackjack and was getting shoulder rubs. ladies roaming the casino floor. And I just, all weekend long, I was playing blackjack and was getting shoulder rubs. It was the absolute best. Nick just kept saying, I'm having the best time just sitting here getting massages at the table. And he kept bringing it up. So I was like, what do these women look like? Yeah, what's going on? What's going on here? I don't know.

I didn't even see their face. I was looking at the blackjack table. They were right behind me. I've never heard of that. I haven't either. It's amazing what they'll do to keep you spending money. Sp even see their face. I was looking at the blackjack table. I've never heard of that. I haven't either. It's amazing what they'll do to keep you spending money. Spending money. It was great.

And I thought to myself, because the massages aren't that expensive, except that when you add the fact that you're gambling, it can get really expensive. But I was up. You didn't feel like it distracted you at all? You're like, oh, that feels so good. Oh, shit. You know? He's hitting on 20. Listen, shit. You know, like you weren't like.

He's hitting on 20. Listen, I don't gamble much. So for this particular trip, I brought an amount of money that I decided was more than I had ever been willing to gamble before. It's my bachelor party. And you have a baby on the way. There's no better time to gamble. To lose money. Yeah. Well, I selected an amount of money

that i was just like comfortable with i if i lose this is not going to affect my life but it will piss me off yeah yeah so because i wanted the juice you know i got a that's the whole point of gambling is to feel the like if you lose this to be annoyed like i don't think i've ever gambled but like i would imagine you hate gambling yeah because i grew up broke and so i have trauma and as soon as i lose more than 200 i start questioning like i'm like would my ancestors be proud of me there's a little bit of that but i decided i could lose x number and uh i started up then it went way down then went all back plus a little bit more. The ride. Yeah.

Bachelorette? No. No. Unfortunately not. You know, just like being pregnant, it didn't feel really in my cards. I wanted to be on like a yacht in Cabo, like shaking my ass drunk. And that just wasn't a possibility while pregnant. And then I really can't imagine leaving a like month old to do it before the wedding. What would be like, what could we do?

And by we, I mean you. Perfect. For you. Like post she comes out. Like at what point do we throw a party for you? I don't know. You out with the girls. Paige is the one who's had two children before.

So you tell me. And a Vegas bachelorette. And a Vegas. I did have a Vegas bachelorette. But I feel like you should, like, do you want to get away right now? Go do like, I would say like prenatal massage, stuff like that. But that's kind of, it's kind of boring. They're like scared to touch you.

It's just very like. Prenatal massages honestly are terrible. It's so bad. It's not even worth it. It's not. You're like laying sideways and they're like... It's too much pressure. I know. I'm like you haven't even touched me. Get in there. I need you in there. This is what I need.

Some back rubs, something. Yeah. Yeah, they're not... Yeah, I guess you just gotta wait. Give yourself a couple months. Get back out there. But then it's... I feel like after the wedding, I won't want to like plan anything. I'll be like, you know what? I'm so over trips and planning and doing shit.

Like, I just want to be home with my kid. Was there a point after early motherhood where you're like, I just want to get the fuck out, shake my ass and get hammered? Was there a moment like of like, fuck these kids? There are some moments, yeah no earmuffs josh not really i don't i not really i josh and i actually are really bad about getting out and like going to do stuff without the kids like it's just hard it's just i imagine you're tired yeah it's it's just like a lot of moving parts to get everyone situated to where you can go enjoy and not have to think about anything. And although we did, we did go out to Kathy Hilton's Christmas party and that's where we met you guys.

That was a fun night. And actually people were jumping like, let us watch the kids. You need to go. How did you end up guys going to? Because I was a bit caught off guard seeing you there, Josh. Really? It was random. It was really. I mean, I'm off guard seeing you there, Josh. Really? It was random. It was really random.

I mean, I'm happy to see you. Yeah, no. When I was going to Kathy Hilton's Christmas party, I wasn't like, I'm going to run into Josh Cuck today. But you're the Bravo fan. I am. Are you also, Josh? I do, and I've been turned on by Paige

into the Bravo verse through Vanderpump Rules because I have a little skin in the game with Vanderpump. How so? Well, I've known Kristen Doty since I was 20. Oh. I knew her when she first moved out to California. That was my reaction too because I started watching Vanderpump Rules like day one. And I just was so miserable at my job.

And I just would come home and I'd be like, just give me this hour to myself. I'm going to shut the door, watch a show, decompress and like, I'll talk to you later. And I remember one day he came in and he was like, oh, my God, Kristen. And this is like season one. Kristen was like so unhinged. Yeah. And he walked in was like, Kristen. And I'm like, you can't just.

Oh, my God, Kristen. Like, tell me everything, you know, about Kristen. And then by the end of the night, I had a follow request from her on Instagram. She had my number. She's texting me. She's like, when can we go get drinks? Let's hang out. Let's be friends.

Like, oh my God, getting invited to all the Vanderpump parties, doing all the things. How long ago was this? It was a long time ago. I mean, season one. Well, how long have you guys known each other? 12 years well going on 13 years yeah

but I I was 20 and my best friend's older brother was like I met this girl on MySpace MySpace

and she's coming over tonight we're at his bombed out shit apartment in North Hollywood sorry Len and Gary it was lovely

and this girl comes in and like Kristen Kristen, I mean, still, but then like, smoke show, comes in and we're like, Gary, who is this girl you met on the internet? This is not normal. It's 2007. And he's like, she's cool. She's from Michigan. She's on a TV show. But we didn't even know.

She wasn't at the time. She wasn't at the time. No, she don't. This is pre. Oh,'t even know she wasn't at the time no she's pre this is pre oh my she's just working at sir as a civilian and he's like bro like i go to this restaurant she works at like they got good pomodoro bro like this is great and then we're following it and we become like she really becomes embedded with us and like she just hung out like didn't have any airs about her and then she's dating Gary and then they break up because

she cheats on Gary with Sandoval stop no and then she cheats on Sandoval with Gary stop and didn't like Gary and Sandoval figure it out and they became in contact and they were like are you are we dating the same girl they kept going back and forth yeah

yeah no I love you Kristen sorry she's the's the greatest she's talked about that yeah she has well the first time i met kristin when she came on the show and i was just getting into vanderpump so like i'm also like thankful and glad because i felt like i might have been a little hard on her had i known her entire history yeah uh and she was such a generous and lovely guest she really is i really i'm glad it worked out the way it did but yeah it was uh she's she has immersed herself in a scandal or two oh yeah yeah she's reality tv gold she is and she is who she is like that's her yeah she is who she is but she that's her. She is who she is. But she's also just the best person. She's really is such a good friend.

Do you guys still talk with Kristen? Yeah, all the time. She calls me like. She's a gem. We talk all the time. I love her. She's such a nice person. She really is.

I think you told me at Kathy Hilton's party, you were like, Kristen is the type that like you'll meet her for the first time. And then she'll be like, oh, do we need to like bury a body oh my god do it with you she will she my sister's also big Bravo fans and they were like I can't believe you're friends with Kristen she came they were like they keep asking me could she come to dinner because she didn't all of a sudden like they have their own group text going I'm not even involved they're out together. Her boyfriend's friends with my brother. Yeah. They're all best friends now with Kristen. We're currently in the midst of watching Vanderpump from season one. So now we're on season three.

So it's been. Yeah. No, it's been really a blessing. Available now on ViFi Plus. If you guys want to recap with us, it is available. Yeah. No, it's a us. It is available. Yeah. No, it's a lot. It's a lot.

And so did you watch from season one? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Big fan. Actually, I kind of fell off a little bit once everyone got canceled and got kicked off the show. I was like, I don't think this is going to be the same. And so I kind of fell off.

And then, you know, Scandaval happens and you have to when you have to go back when skandaval was going on again i was new to it but you yeah you knew the history oh yeah now that i am going back and watching it i am a bit taken back by the cast's hypocrisy it's so true it's so true because it's like i i have very strong feelings about it there's a lot of people who've been affected by infidelity it was a very triggering scandal but for the lalas and the sheenas and the james of the world like i knew they all had jacks yeah jacks is like i knew they had done some shit you know but like it was I was always under the impression that like this

you know Scandival was so much worse than anything anyone else has ever done in that group but it isn't yeah what's the reasoning behind I think they were saying I think they were saying because

because Rachel and is it i think they were saying opportunity i think they were saying because cash yeah because rachel and and ariana is raquel yeah our our like best friends and they and she it was just like happening this whole time and maybe because it was like an actual relationship that they had and they were sneaking around and it wasn't just like a one-time hookup or something yeah it was egregious it was as bad as it could be without kids involved and I think well also with Ariana like freezing her eggs and like they were planning

her and Tom like yeah there was a lot to be upset about for sure I just from the rest of the cast it was having gone back and watching it this whole like well that was you know James Kennedy he was always like that was whole like well that was you know james kennedy he was always like that was two years ago that was three years ago that was it was always like it didn't matter

as long as it was in the past true but they had all done their version of scandival do we think it's because sandoval has always been like the person to be like, I can't believe you would do that. You're a bad guy, Jax. You're a bad person. And then he's doing it too. And everyone's like, you've always kind of been,

you know, like you're not as, you're not better than the rest of us. But, but Tom also had cheated, you know, like, no,

I don't know. Was anyone under the impression that Tom Sandoval was this beacon of righteousness who like, you know, that's what I was thinking. What would Tom Sandoval do if you're looking for a moral compass I don't know if anyone was like that I don't know

like he let us down you know and so I'm just even Ariana I mean she from what I can remember Katie is the only one who really has never really done some shit where it was like how could you from what I so far and I'm only on season three.

I'm trying to think. Ariana hasn't hasn't done that either, except that she also was rather indifferent and cavalier about infidelity around the group, especially if it didn't affect her. Even, you know, like how Tom and her started. It was like, you know, whatever. You know, he did that to her, not me. So even that it's kind of hard to like now that Ariana is all like. But Ariana and Tom got together when Tom and Kristen were still together.

So that's the whole. But Kristen, I think, has said before, like, that's a completely different situation. Like, this is way worse than what he did to me. She definitely said that. And she said that on that couch. But the more I've watched back, I'm curious as to why it is different. I don't know. Because when Kristen was dating Tom, she was in her early 30s.

They had been dating for four or five years. They lived together. They lived together. Yeah. Again, she has had the time of like getting over Tom and not caring and looking back and being like, ew, how could I date him? I'm sure she thinks all these things. Right. With the benefit of hindsight. But watching it back, she was very upset.

She seemed to be not in her best self. Right. And I'm just wondering how it was different. I guess it's not. I guess it's not. Will you guys clue us into, I remember on my podcast on Good good guys we do these things called speak pipes right where people can kind of leave you a voice message so the saga starts two months ago girl calls and says my i think it was her sister or or maybe it was just a good friend a good friend's husband

won't share his location with her okay what do you think? What do you think, boys? We said he's cheating. For sure. For sure. Only 100%. If he's refusing to share a location, Josh was really silent on the call. I listened to that and I was like, we don't share locations.

And I'm like, Josh hasn't said anything because he's like, yeah, you guys are right. And he's like, shoot, we don't share a location with each other. But if you asked, I would. Right. We just don't. You have the Tesla app. She can see where my car is. She'll be like, oh, having fun at yoga?

Like, I thought you were getting groceries. I'm like, I need this for me. I need it. Please. Core power yoga, shut up. But she, yeah, she was. And then she called back a week later and was like i just want to let you guys know he was he had a fiance or there was like a whole thing that

unfolded she was like you guys were spot on she was the other one no it was it it there was some other i don't know i don't i'm not quite sure the other woman they were yeah like literally about to marry the other woman i think there was a kid perhaps something and so my question is like I I don't want to gender it but I just feel like a woman's instinct is so sharp but just a partner's instinct right to it to an extent like obviously you can certainly be cheated on like but when it's so egregious or what we saw on with Scandaval right it was happening for a year and people sleeping in the house and like, it just felt so forward. Like what, what do you, what went through your guys's head seeing that?

Like is there a version of like where you just tell yourself it can never happen? Like how does someone not see it? Yeah. Scandaval. Yeah. Like how does Ariana or like just in general, like how does someone, somebody was calling it out who who was it somebody was like they were all saying like this is kind of weird why are they always together yeah tell you i mean it's just like when you're in a relationship right like you your job is to believe in your partner to trust your partner you know to like always have your partner's back so like that's your default so and then you have ego involved, right? The idea that like, no one would cheat on me, you know, like, how could anyone anyone do that? And then you combine the fact that a, your default is to trust your partner. Like, that's, you know, I am I'm going to choose if I'm gonna be in a relationship, I must trust you. And if I don't, I'm gonna reevaluate my relationship with you. But that's my default. And then your ego being like, this couldn't happen to me and you combine that and so it's just in your nature to like just assume like any other option other than they're

cheating on you is the first thing you consider you know and so there's there are actually yes signs leading like at each point you kind of have to turn your back on what becomes more and more a glaring kind of stay out don't go in danger ahead like at what point do you go like i've been seeing a couple of these signs yeah but the first trend the first uh two or three times your partner like is out a little later than you expected you don't you're not thinking oh they must be cheating on me it's like oh they they had a good time with their friends right you know like right right like. Right, right, right, right. You know, and so. And then I feel like also it was like the people who were telling her, like Lala.

Like, I feel like she's not really that close with Lala. So I feel like she was probably like, you just don't know their relationship. Oh, that's another thing. In that world, right? They, you know, we're watching Housewives and like whether it's Vanderpump or Housewives in Bravo World, half the drama comes from false accusations of people being like. Right. This or that. So like you don't. How do you know what to believe? Because like half the time people are trying to stir up drama for the sake of drama. Right. But also Lala like is always calling everyone out and

i'm like was it you're you're like you know what i mean i'm like there was some like did you see all the signs before because then as soon as you did you just kicked him right to the curb but i just feel like with the the cheating like our good friends are going through something similar right now and she i've talked to her i'm like did, did you not know? She was like, no, we've been married for so long and we just have a good relationship. And when he would say, I need a weekend to go see my family, she's like, I didn't question him in being like, you want to go see your family?

She was like, I thought everything was good. That's not your first thought to be like, you must be fucking someone else. Like, it's just. And there is, you're right like i had a buddy growing up when we were young like super like i mean 1920 and he was just head over heels for this girl like she was like he had made her his god and we were like this girl sucks and uh she just wasn't the best and then a friend of ours was like, yo, she worked at this hotel.

Like, she's making out with the Bellman son. And I'm like, first of all, KU. Sounds like a Hallmark movie. And he's like, yo, like, I'm telling you, like, this is what he told me. And I made the decision. I'm like, we can't tell him. And he was like, why? Because I said, we don't have hard proof because the guy's not going to say it.

And he was like, why? Because I said, we don't have hard proof because the guy's not going to say it. I said, and he's so head over heels that he'll make some excuse. Yeah, he won't believe us. He'll turn on you. Yeah, you need the evidence. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, it's tough. And six months later, as soon as he gave me a glimmer of like,

I don't know if something's up. I was like, well. Let me tell you something, buddy. Yeah. That is tough uh have you seen the new trailer for vanderpump i have i was telling josh about it on our way here we had quite the drive i was trying to like be like yeah i've had to catch you up on some stuff um i have i mean the short do you want to watch do we should we just play it yeah yeah thank you

yeah it was one case i miss who he used to be. There's always one thing with Tom Schwartz. He's like, it's no big deal. Yeah. Wow. You've got so much going on to do still, Tom. It's sad to me. Stop, stop, stop. Whoa, stop, stop.

Where are you going? Another drink being thrown. You are terrifying. And suddenly she becomes God. The new season of Vanderbilt Rules premieres January 30th on Bravo. I have chills. Wow. Right? I have chills. Wow.

Right? I have chills. Lala saying that is intense. Did you also last week see the clip of Sheena crying? She did some interview crying. I was just telling Josh about that. About how apparently she is now the victim of Scandival? She said next to Ariana, this affects her the most out of anyone in the cast.

From the hills of Azusa. From the hills of Azusa. It's the best line ever delivered on that show. Which, the more I thought about it, it really pissed me off, that comment from Sheena. I've experienced it. I've seen it. But when people deal with infidelity or some personal trauma or like a real hard moment, a breakup, even whatever it is.

It's amazing. You really can tell who your real friends are. Like the whole point of being a friend often, especially in adulthood, is to like step up in the difficult times, not like, yeah, let's go boating. And I always find it amazing people's ability to make someone else's painful experiences their own tragedy it's like yeah I'm sure it was hard on you I'm sure you had to step up in this moment yeah be a friend yeah I'm sure it was inconvenient at some point but this isn't your pain your fight this didn't happen to you it happened to ariana and like sure and also ariana

is like her isn't she like her best friend from before the show like she brought her on so like this is like one of her pre pre-show friends that she's known for a long time always amazing the people who try to make someone else's like painful experience about them. And it happens all the time, especially in L.A. But the tears. And also you see in the trailer that Schwartz and Sheena made out at some point. I'm not sure about the timeline there. If that was when they were when he was still with Katie.

God, I hope not. That would be. That would be. I don't know. I mean, either way, it's weird. It's weird. But hasn't she been with Brock since Katie and Schwartz have been divorced? I think.

Oh, you're right. Right? So like that would be. There's a lot happening. And I think, isn't Brock really good friends with Schwartz now? Are they a good friend? And isn't Brock really handsome in person? Yes.

That's true. He's a good looking dude. He's not just the lights and camera. He's a good looking meatball. He's a meatball for sure. That's my goal. That's what I'm going for. That's Josh's.

And then Charlie referred to him as a payroll husband last week on this show. Cool. Yeah. We made some merch available now at vilefiles.com. It says payroll husband. What happened to her ex, Shay? That's a great question. What's he doing? we made some merch available now at vilefiles.com it says payroll husband what's what's happened what happened to her ex shay that's a great question because like i don't know anyway yeah no idea music yeah i haven't thought about him for a minute wasn't he yeah he was like he was

like one of those classic what he appeared to be one of those like kind of grimy music producers yeah in the early 2000s that like you know some guys were djs some guys played the guitars other guys were quote-unquote music producers it was all it was all about getting laid right yes and he came across as one of those guys i also do want to address that they're still living together in their house yeah after this whole scandal everything they say that they have no contacts and that they're just living in the house after this whole scandal everything they say that they have no contact and that they're just living in the house together but separate would you ever be able to do that or like is the point just because you're like i deserve the house i deserve the house like are

you just is that just like fighting over property at that point or why why would you stay i think they probably it's just financially more feasible to stay. Yeah. She's like, I don't want to move. I don't want to have to move my stuff. From practical standpoints, I think that is part of the consideration. But as someone who, when I've gotten out of relationships, I once had to move out, got engaged, got cheated on, was living with her and was like, I can't be here. So I move with my grandma, which sucked.

I mean, great memory now. Yeah. I cherish it now. At the time. Wisconsin. Yeah. I was like, she was living downtown Milwaukee and I'm like, get the fuck out of here. And like, cool grandma Phyllis.

Yeah. But that was, you know at the time a humiliating experience but it was still better than being in the same room it wasn't financially feasible like i you know i was i was doing fine i had a job but i guess this is all to say like i understand this is a like nothing about this experience for ariana i'm sure was convenient but like as we've mentioned earlier just her ability to be in the same room still kind of takes away from her argument what she's saying of versus what she's doing yes it's like i can't be in the same room with them you can i can't do this you can yeah you know i think she said like, they both have to,

like they both own the house. Sure. And so they both have to agree on what happens to it. And she's like, we don't agree. Well, Tom told me in special forces that he was trying to buy her out and he was trying to get the ball rolling on some way or another.

And that she just kind of refused to have conversations with him about it so it was like she wasn't willing to do anything gotcha she wasn't willing to talk to him about doing it so tom was like well what are we going to do i mean so again whether you want to believe tom sandoval or not right it's entirely up to you but from his mouth he has claimed that he's been trying to get some movement regarding this house i think he wanted to stay maybe she wanted to stay as well but he wasn't he just she she has like a new boyfriend and everything i also can't imagine like what she went through and then having to like move into like a shitty apartment like downsize you know i can imagine again i had to like move into like a shitty apartment, like downsize,

you know, I can imagine again, I had to move with grandma. I know, but she was like, Tom doesn't have enough friends to help move. No one from Vanderpump's going to rent a U-Haul. Shorts would for sure.

He'd carry everything on his back. Shorts would show up hungover and, and give directions to the movers. I don't think it actually helped. Well, if you want to know what Shay is doing, Allie just texted it to me. He left the show after season five when they split up. Now it seems like he's still on the same career path

as his official Twitter bio labels him as a rapper, producer, and DJ. He's a rapper? Self-proclaimed. Does he have any music? He has not posted on Twitter since 2019. And his verified Instagram account is also private.

Oh. Maybe it's just protest against Elon. Maybe. I'm not going to use the app anymore. I liked it better when it was Twitter. I might get attacked for saying this, but and I don't mean to make light of anyone's trauma and what Ariana

went through, but is Tom cheating the best thing that's ever happened, not only to her, but the entire cast of this show? Without question. Got it. Yeah. Yes. I think Andy Cohen asked her that on Watch What Happens Live, and he was like, so thank you, Tom. And she was like,

thank you, universe. Which is a great answer yeah totally no because i don't think tom deserves any credit totally you know but yeah but also yes yes you know like then that's the that's the frustrating part about tom sandoval is that he has no problem giving himself credit oh yeah you know simultaneously all while you know when i was on special forces with him i had a a long talk with him that i've always hoped to have with him on this couch we haven't been able to come in under an agreement he was going to come on and then he had some what are the terms yeah can you not talk about racial he didn't want to talk about rachel or skandival in general i was

like well i'm like i'm like bro i've been very publicly critical of you like i've gotten to know you on special forces i think there's like a a decent conversation i really wanted to have a conversation around like where are you now like like why should we believe that you've learned from this are you a better person for it? What kind of conversations do you want to have with your next partner about like what you've learned from this experience? Like Lala, I said, I told Tom, I'm like, you know, listen, I'm not here to diagnose you. I know the world's calling you a narcissist. Certainly Lala has. But what I do agree with Lala is, well, I don't know if you're a dangerous person. I think it'd be dangerous for me to set you up with a friend. Yeah.

You know? And so I would love to learn. I would love to talk to Tom Sandoval about like, has he done anything? Because people can make mistakes. Tom isn't the only one who's fucking done shit like this. Totally. And people have redeemed themselves. People have used terrible situations to like look in the mirror and go, what the fuck am I doing?

This isn't the person I want to be. And Tom said that. Rachel said that. Some people actually do something about it. Some people don't. And I'm curious as whether as Tom has. I just think it's in the way he reacts to things that just, even if he's saying the right things, the way he says it, it's just so annoying that I'm like, I don't think he actually thinks that I don't think he's sincere about what

I don't think he thinks cheating is. I think he knows it's wrong. I think he thinks like, I'd like to think I wouldn't do it, but I don't think he thinks it's that big of a deal. Right. I also think he feels very justified. I think he's like,

I did, but you guys don't understand all the reason and like it just it still doesn't make it like break up with the person if you don't want to be with them and i think that he feels justified in his actions and i do think he is when he when when his friends are down bad on him i do think he gets frustrated that he's not getting enough credit for their success, that their experience is a result of scandal. Ah. Yeah. But I don't know.

That's just an assumption. Okay. Yeah. But I think back to what you said before is like, I'm sure it's, in my experience, adulthood is realizing that people, even though they're not great people, can also be right. And I think he's having a really hard time reconciling, like, aren't we all scoundrels? Yeah. What's happening here? How much can you guys beat me up at this point?

Because we're all guilty in some way or another. If I'm Scandival, I would. If I'm. Yeah. Scandival. Whatever. If I'm Tom, I would be. I would be frustrated by the righteousness of my peers because they have all done.

Like is equally low character. Yes. Thanks. And at that point, like to sit there and say, well, mine isn't as bad as yours. How do you get in what world? Yeah. Of delusion. Do you get in what world of delusion? Do you get to say that?

On another level. And it is. You're right. The same thing that they do every season. But for some reason, people cared so much more. Sheena and like Sheena crying about, you know, this is how hard this has been on her. Right. She's got her as good as gold had a second life because of

uber was like i want to put your song that everyone forgot existed it's 10 years old and we're going to make it into a national commercial did her husband produce that i'm wondering if he did maybe he's just she probably got some money did she get some i don't know i'm not sure i'm just wondering Lala and and Sheena's podcast yeah one didn't exist the other one

wasn't very popular I think shenanigans Sheena's I think existed I think Lala started hers I could be wrong I think you're wrong give them Lala

I think she had before Scannable well I think they've all since Scannable have totally blew up so it is you, it is fascinating.

The I mean, how how many seasons of this show exists without Scandival? Like what was left a season? Many people we would some argued we wouldn't get to 11 without it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and I'm a day one fan. I've watched from the beginning like i love it and i just i wasn't on it i just was like i just don't really care it's not as interesting

you're you got rid of a lot of the cast members who brought the drama the meat to the show kristen stassi jacks you got rid of a lot of like those so i was just like i don't think i care anymore and then yeah it's getting all happens i'm like. I'm like, I have to see this. Got to tune in. I have to see what happens. But it's the reason I think why, like, and I'm a day one Jersey Shore fan, but similarly, it's not as exciting with family and kids. This is why Below Deck will always be good because you can't have a family on a boat. You love Below Deck. He loves Below Deck.

Also, Shaws of Sunset. Josh has, like, cried when it went off air. Who else here loves Below Deck. Also, Shaws of Sunset. Josh has cried when it went off air. Who else here loves Below Deck? Jeremy Allen White also shares in your guilty pleasure of Below Deck. Below Deck is fun. I do like Below Deck as well. Really? I cannot.

Allie's obsessed with it. I cannot get into it. I have something to break here. Oh, my God. Here about Jeremy Allen White is that once we were on a flight together and we landed, it was a red eye. And we both went to the bathroom after. And he not only put cold water on his face, but he brought a mist. And he gave himself a little mist.

And I was like, that's so smart. How do you know that? I watched it. You were in that small? No, no, not on the plane. Oh, after. At the airport. I was like, oh, okay. When you, no, not on the plane. Oh, after the airport. I was like, oh, okay.

When you're bringing something else out of the bucket. That never happened. I was like, how smart. He looks so refreshed. Wow. It's like he hadn't even been on a red eye. I wonder what he used. You're welcome.

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Like a watch what happened. Like an after party show. Josh would not typically say yes to something like that. And he's like, Paige, I'm hosting this. I have to do it. And he got to meet some of them. Snooki, Vinny. My first reality TV experience with a reality TV celebrity

before I was involved in reality TV or a fan of any reality TV because I'd never watched any reality TV before I was ever on the show. And I was in Milwaukee where I used to live. And it was winter. And I was getting ready to go for a trip to somewhere warm. And as people often do in cold weather climates, they will visit the tanning salons. And I was in there getting ready for my tan. You went and laid in a bed?

I laid in a bed. Yeah, this was... You lay in beds? This is maybe... This is almost 20 years ago. Damn. I know. Yeah.

Woo. this is almost 20 years ago damn i know yeah and uh some guy was in the lobby walking out and i had never seen jersey shore but i was obviously familiar with it as it was a phenomenon and i remember thinking to myself who's this jersey shore motherfucking looking guy in milwaukee just thinking he was some wannabe jersey shore and the guy walks out and the girl working in the car, she goes, that was Pauly D. And I'm like, who's Pauly D? And she was like, I'm Jersey Shore. And he signed it, Pauly, like he signed his release, you know,

Pauly D. I thought it was, he was in town to DJ. So I got to see Pauly D at a tanning salon in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. He's never changed his hair to this day. And I'm like, what? Why?

Everyone else is, you know, Snooki got rid of the poof and all the things. And everyone's been like, okay, that was us when we were young. And now he's never gotten rid of it. He's like, no, it's working for me. It's working. Mike, the situation says a threesome was a slow night. Oh, wow. A lot of the times it was upwards to six to 10 women in the room at a time. oh wow a lot of the times it was upwards to six to ten women in the

room at a time again a lot of the times feasibly that's not realistic to accomplish said goal what it was what is the goal what is the goal uh my eyes were definitely bigger than my head oh my god that's not the same yeah yeah that's wrong. The situation believes there were multiple situations in the bedroom with Vinny and Pauly D during the early days of their Jersey

Star War fame. He recently tallied how many sex parties the boys threw back in the day. Anyways, they had orgies. I never want to have

like group sex with my buddies. No. That never really appealed to me. No. That's just the whole thing is so, I mean, I guess I'm just shocked by their personality.

Like, I get the feeling that they all had their friendship. Like, for sure, they were friends. But like, they kind of always have all hated each other. Seemed very different. You'd think like, maybe outside of the show, they're not as tight as, you know, they are. Yeah. So that's just a little shame. But they seem oh it's a lot of chlamydia i'm just picturing z packs going around what was the bar they karma karma let's pick up a couple girls at karma bring them back

karma i've been to a couple clubs called karma bring them back karma i've been to a couple clubs called karma really i wonder if those women are still like i had an orgy with jersey like i wonder if they still bring it up that's a fun that's a fun one to watch back from the beginning like yes seemed just like a completely different world if you if you if you're bored you should watch that one. Natalie, when I first got... Early in our relationship, after she had moved, I was presenting at the MTV

Awards. Good date. It was our first public red carpet. And they had us at a table with Snooki and JWoww. Snooki and JWoww. And Natalie almost had a meltdown. I went too. This is insane. We saw JWoww. Snooki and JWoww. And I was like, Natalie almost had a meltdown. I went too. This is insane.

We saw JWoww at the local fair recently with her. Yeah, JWoww. We took a picture together and then we saw JWoww at the variety event. She was like,

hi, I love you. And I was like, God, I love you so much. It's so crazy. Cute. I know. She's like, I want to touch your belly.

Which everyone's always like, oh my God, I'm sure everyone says this, but like, i'm like no one ever offers yeah or tries or what do i not have an appealing belly like what's wrong now he's always wearing it out always i think i think that people now have heard so much that like this is like you're never supposed to ask like don't ask it's weird yeah that now people probably are just like, I'm not even going to ask. What about strangers? Yeah.

Strangers? Like a J-WOW. I mean, you know. Yeah, definitely not like. If it's J-WOW, you're like, please. No, I'm like, I'm begging you to touch my stomach. Bless my child. Please.

Please. Yeah. Strangers are asking people, like people they don't know are like, can I just touch your stomach? Like on the street, in the grocery store? No, that would definitely. That'd be weird. Yeah. That definitely be crazy.

I guess I could see it happening. I will say I thought I went into labor. This weekend? While you were in Vegas? This was like a week ago, maybe. Too far. And I was sleeping. Nick had gone to work.

And I'm laying in bed. Nick had gone to work and I'm laying in bed and all of a sudden I get the worst pain I've ever felt in my life. And I'm like, I have gone into labor. My water has broke. I'm like looking around and like my water has broke. It's like, okay, I need to like stand up. I stand, I get taken to the floor. I'm in so much pain. How scary. So scary. I call my doctor. Of course, I get her assistant. And I'm like, I have a terrible... This is a safe space.

Right? Yes. Josh, very. Wait, what happened? This is transitioning to gas problems and I can't wait. So I'm like, I have the sharpest pain in my asshole. And I don't know, is she coming out of my, something's wrong.

She's coming out of my, and she's like, no, it's a hemorrhoid. I'm like, it's not. I've never had one before but i was asleep yeah this is internal this is happening inside of my body and she's like let me um we'll just have the doctor call you like okay so it happens it goes on for like 20 minutes and i truly think just non-stop it's no breaks in between. It's just like constant slight breaks. OK, yeah. Slight breaks.

But after it says I tell her everything, I'm like, this is what's going on. I have a sharp pain. I've got pressure. Something's wrong with me. And she's like, oh. It's rectal spasms. Super normal. No big deal.

Super normal. What do you mean? That's super normal. She's like, yeah, don't worry about it. Baby's heads down. Just causing some pressure, pushing on some nerves. Wouldn't worry about it. You're good.

I'm like, okay. Like everyone. You're like, so I just deal with this? Literally. Everyone tells you like, just wait until you're not sleeping. Just wait until like, you know, no one ever says just wait for the rectal spasms. No one ever fucking tells you that. Well, also people, I feel like say that that's where you like feel when you're having contractions.

Like, and so you probably freaked out. I did. I was like, I am going into labor. Yeah. And this feels too early to go into labor. How many weeks are you? Are we allowed to talk about that? Okay. Yeah, that would have been labor. Yeah. And this feels too early to go into labor. How many weeks are you? Are we allowed to talk about that? Okay.

Yeah, that would have been terrifying. That would have been pretty early. Yeah. It was so scary. But it's like, who, why,

there's so much around pregnancy that no one talks about. Talks about. Yeah. It's, it's really, you'll,

you'll have things happening like constantly. You're like, oh my God, what is this? And everyone's like, oh my gosh, that happened to me for the first like three weeks. You're fine. And then it goes away. And then you're like, I always, is it just going to be nine months

of thinking that something's wrong? Something's wrong. And I call my doctor. Nope. It's normal. That's normal. Don't worry about it, babe. That's normal. Like, what do you mean this? Why? You can know that for sure without seeing me. You can just tell me on the phone. this why like you can know that for sure without seeing me you just tell me on the phone how do you know that this knife that is inside yeah it just went away normal and it just went away and never happened well thank god thank god but like how terrifying and i'm just like so nervous for the rest to come are you scared that you're gonna poop when you deliver yes yeah i know a lot of people say that. I told Nick that. He was like, what are you most nervous

about for labor? And I was like, shitting all over the place. I would be. Right? That just seems... Why would you do that? I've heard they're just very professional. They just wipe it all off. Yeah, no big deal. It never happened. Do you plan on watching?

I'll be kissing her forehead. Nick will have a blinder up. he wouldn't know anyway right right i'm not one of those like catch the baby yeah yeah how involved were you gosh i was well i had a c-section page had a c-section so yeah i was up by the head which is uh it's amazing, right? Because as the father, they put you outside and they go, we're going to prep your wife for surgery, hang out 20, 30 minutes, then we'll bring you in when everything's ready to go. So you're just out there with your thoughts. I'm like, this is it.

Like everything changes. He's just out there. I'm in there with a bunch of doctors and they're putting needles. I mean, I'm sitting there by myself. of doctors and they're putting needles i mean i'm sitting there by myself it's cold i'm so sorry you know it's very hard by yourself yeah please let me finish and no and then they give you they give you painters overalls right because they don't want to give you scrubs so that they'll confuse you with someone who's not an idiot so you put on these overalls and you walk in and you're like, what's good? Like, let's have this baby.

I'm like, push. They're like, it's a C-section. You don't push. And then I just remember trying to kiss the forehead and just be as motivating or as quiet as she needed me to be. And then if I may share, I remember that you had had a shoulder, like you got shoulder pain in the middle of delivering. And obviously, and then as soon as the baby came out and it seemed like it was basically like deferred pain because you can't feel anything, obviously. So I went to her shoulder and I remember I looked at the anesthesiologist and I'm like,

hit her. And I just see him push morphine into her IV, like the moment that the baby was disconnected and unaffected. And I was like, sleep, sleep, my sweet girl. My sweet angel. I will take the baby. You've worked hard. You've done your part.

Thank you. I will tap in. I did one C-section in my clinical rotations and passed out. Yeah. And it was so bad because it was before. It was while she was getting the spinal tap. So she was like awake and looking at me. And I was watching the spinal tap happen.

And yeah, you have to wear like boots and the gown. And it was the lights. And I was watching this long needle go into her spine. And I went down. She saw me. They took me out. Put me in a wheelchair. They're like, here's some water. Like, breathe. Are you okay? The doctor then comes and he like looks at me,

goes into the OR and I'm like, I think I'm okay. I'm good. I can do this. So I go back in and he's like, weren't you just outside in a wheelchair? I'm like, don't worry about it. I'm like scrubbing. I'm like, we're ready to go. This poor woman is laying on the bed like, um. She's like, why'd you pass out? I need you to feel comfortable. Why are you putting on sterile gloves? What are you about to do? You just fell onto the ground.

But it was so, it was so intense. It's really intense. Is there, I guess I should know this. Is there a difference between like an epidural and a spinal in terms of like, I don't know, the needle and stuff or severity? Yeah. I honestly don't know.

I've never, cause I had the opportunity to be in the labor and delivery and I was like, um, I'm good. Yeah. I think I'll just go in blindly when I'm ready at some point. Yeah. I choose to have kids.

I had an epidural and I, I'm like terrified of like My whole life, I was so scared of having babies. That's one thing that I would always think about. One day, I'm going to have to have babies. And that's so scary to me. And the needle, the epidural, the whole thing, I hate needles. And I just remember halfway through, I was like, I'm good. I don't need to feel anymore. We can do it. And they did it. And you just feel a little pinch and you're like, okay, but then you know what they're doing and you're like, just don't think about it. But I got an epidural the first time because I was in

labor. And then I had a C-section after like 30 hours of labor. And then the second time they just like wheeled me right in and gave me the spinal. And I remember the spinal, I felt it a little more than the epidural, probably because I was in less pain because I wasn't in labor yeah but um yeah it's like really crazy 30 hours 20 28 hours yeah and then you still chose to have another kid yeah wow well the second c-section is a lot different. It's like so much easier when you don't have the trauma of like an emergency and being in labor and having to recover from both of those. It's like a lot nicer to just like know what you're doing. So did you have like, oh, my God, my water just broke? No, you didn't.

Well, the baby was breached. And so they were like, you're going in on Friday. You're going to have a C-section. And then I went in and I was like, the baby flipped breached. And so they were like, you're going in on Friday. You're going to have a C-section. And then I went in and I was like, the baby flipped last night. And they were like, that's actually not possible at this stage in pregnancy. I was like, no, I'm telling you, he flipped. And they did an ultrasound. They were like, oh my God, he's head down. So I was like, okay, but I'm still having him. And they were like, no, we have to induce you because now that we know he can move, like we got to get going. And so they induced me and he just didn't he didn't want to come out.

I mean, he did, but he got stuck. And then it was a whole thing. So then, yeah, we did a C-section. I was like, I wish we would have just done this at the beginning when I was prepared for it mentally all week. for it mentally all week. It was funny because it was right by New Year's Eve and our doctor, Paige's doctor, who's amazing, was like, okay, so the only thing is I take off two days a year and one of them happens to be

New Year's Day. So if for some reason things get held over, I have the doctor who delivered my baby covering me. If I trusted anyone more yeah yeah for sure like but i'm gonna be here like your your delivery day is three days prior to that we should be and so they decide to do the c-section gary chris and doty's ex his younger brother lends there with me coming to visit and she goes i think we should do a C-section. It's been long enough. Let's get this baby out. And Paige is like getting prepared.

And Len's like, let's go smoke a cigarette. I'm like, I don't smoke. He's like, you'll need to for this. So we're outside of the hospital, 500 feet away. I actually didn't know this. I didn't know that you left to go smoke a cigarette for a second. Dude, and Len is downstairs going, you know, bro, these doctors, bro, they rush everything, bro. Can't let nature take its course.

I'm like, shut up. I'm like, shut up. It turned out fine. Everyone's okay. Yeah, everyone's good. Do you have any advice for me, Josh? Okay. My only advice that I give all unsolicited advice, but it's solicited now, that my friend Jeff gave me because I was, you know, going on some neurotic tirade of maybe it'll be this, maybe it'll be that.

If the kid needs this, if the kid needs that, he goes, stop it. He goes, you have no idea what your kid will need. He's like, all you need to know is it's going to be great. It's just going to be great. All you need to know is it's going to be great. It's just going to be great. And any temporary inconvenience like some loss of sleep or maybe you can't go to brunch is so wildly overshadowed by how great it is. And that. Because that's kind of the mentality that Natalie and I have been taking. It's just like, we haven't done all this like over prep or like reading all moment where like where i have to get up and do something for our baby and it's like 4 a.m and i am tired and i gotta get up like i'm gonna be thinking i've been waiting for this moment my whole life because you always hear yeah about those moments and yeah i'll be tired and yeah i'll like be frustrated but like it'll be like a like oh this

is what like this is what i've heard about my whole life i feel like that will be cool i mean i'm eventually sure i'll get you'll get tired of it but i think we're just planning on embracing all the holy shit we're parent moments yeah you know people love to scare you about like not sleeping and doing all the things i mean at, at the beginning, you're like, this is like, you don't want to sleep. You're so like, I'm so excited. I just want to look at her the whole time. Yeah. Like this is so cool. And then, you know, you get tired, but I think the thing you learn after you go through it the first time, and then you have another one is just that like, everything is phase truly you're like i'm never gonna sleep again you're up in the middle of the night you're holding the baby you're crying you're like i'm so

tired and then you're like a week later there's a couple more hours in between each stretch and you get a little more sleep and you're like all right it's not so bad you know like everything the weeks feel a little longer you're like this has been happening for months but it's been like a week and it's fine and it and it's all you're you're gonna sleep again you're gonna you know your baby will start sleeping longer and you'll get some more freedom back and you know it it passes and it's so fast the second time specifically i'm like where did that last year go but yeah i have a question where do you eat cereal josh if you can't eat it in front of page in my office why can't he eat cereal in front because i love my husband he has a jaw condition

and i and a love of crunchy food and i oh it pops it pops can you hear it hear it oh my god yes do it again do it again oh my god i'm open for a botox sponsorship for my tmj please at night it's like all night long and i'm like you need to go sleep in the i can hear it all night long my weird guilty pleasure is listening to people chew on movies like movie scenes where they're eating oh no no no not for me like hunt for october one of the best eating scenes in cns history with gene hackman and denzel no that's crimson tide crimson tide what's fun for red october sean connery he's a russian submarine commander alec baldwin great and sean connery's talking to his crew about their mission and he's chewing on some meat.

And I love it. I don't know. It's weird. I'm a fucking weirdo. I can't. I can't stand it. There's certain people too. But it's just like the sound of it really.

Your husband is one of them. Yeah. Really just sends shivers down my spine. I feel bad about it because you were the first person that sent me. There's this article. It was like, Paige makes Josh eat cereal in a different room. And I'm like, I do. And everybody in my life started sending it to me, being like, this is the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life.

Mostly because people are like, I didn't even know he was married. I'm so like, this is such a random article. I chose a great photo of you. Yeah. Back in the day. Thank God. Pre-kits. Thank you.

Thank you so much. And yeah, it's true. And I feel bad about it because I was like, this is going to make, this is what a great impression I'm making, but it's true. I can't, I can't stand it. Somebody ate green beans in the room when I had the baby and it was it I've never felt I just had surgery I haven't slept I somebody decides to start digging in with their hands and the food and is there anything about Paige I just plenty you just can't deal with no she's the best

she's perfect we were fighting on the way over here because he was driving and my Celsius was in the thing and it spilled a little in his car. And he was like, only you. And I was like, what does that mean? He's like, you just drink so slow. I'm like, take a couple big gulps. Get it down a little. I mean, we're teetering on the edge here.

90% full. Yeah. I was like, what? Like we were going to get a full argument in the carpool line at school because I don't drink my drinks fast enough. That's when I realized that because I'm a sober guy and like what normal drinking is in quotes. Because like I've seen Paige drink half a margarita. I'm like, what are you nuts? Like half. I'm like, what are you, nuts? I'm like, half?

I'm like, we're drinking for effect here. She's like, I'm drinking for taste. I'm like, what? It's like drinking decaf. Who does that? We drink decaf. We drink decaf. And I drink half a margarita.

Drank half a margarita. You guys are healthy. Natalie would waste way more alcohol than she's ever consumed. Oh, yeah. She would just take a sip and put it down, which I love. I don't find there would be a bigger turn off than a drunk. Drunk. But I have.

Drunk people in general. And since I don't date men. Drunk women. Drunk women. You know, like I've never been attracted to the drunken type. I agree. I never realized that till Josh and I started dating. I was 20, 20, yeah, 20 at the time.

And I remember he was like, I'm sober. And I was like, oh my gosh, this is going to be boring. I was like, how is this going to work? And then I quickly realized it was like, oh, I can't stand. That's like been such a thing that I didn't know was a thing. I can't stand that's like been such a thing that i didn't know was a thing i can't stand drunk people it was like immediate ick for lack of better better timorino you love that when people say ick can we tell them about our our first date that was well yeah first official date that wasn't far

from here yeah yeah yeah yeah and you were 20 and i was 24 we go to the movies Twilight it was like a joke and he couldn't tell if I was joking so he got the tickets anyway and then we went Jacob or Edward I think I'm an Edward sorry Taylor I would agree

Taylor's been on my pod and it did really well so I'm a Jacob guy unless our dad wants to come on he did well for us too I would agree. Yeah. Yeah. Taylor's been on my pod and it did really well. So I'm a Jacob guy. Unless our bats wants to come on. You did well for us too. Yeah. I'm more of a vampire than a werewolf. I get that.

Yeah. But we were just going for a walk after the movie. And I said, oh, do you want to go get a drink? Because there was this coffee shop that I like right on the corner crave corner van you said do you want to get a drink and he's older than i am so he was a little bit older and i just like i was like oh my god he thinks like i'm literally 20 years old and i was like i'm 20 but i'm turning 21 soon and i like don't have an idea or anything on me and i was like he's probably gonna be like you're only 20 years old and freak out. Yeah. But he was like,

no, I meant a hot chocolate. And then we went and got a hot chocolate and a red velvet cupcake. Cute. We got a cupcake too? Yeah, we did. That's cute.

Why, why are you sober? Is it just, you just hate alcohol or did you have like a terrible experience? Cause I have an allergy and every time I drink, I break out in handcuffs. No, it's okay.

I'm in the back of a cop car. It, it's okay. In the back of a car. It's too easy. It's the craziest thing. Yeah, I'm a cliche. It just doesn't suit me well. And so, yeah, I've been sober 15 years. Crazy.

Since 21. So you turned legal age to drink and you're like, I'm good. Is it just alcohol? Do you partake in any other? No, nothing. No meth? No, no tweak. Not anymore. No Tina. to drink and you're like i'm good yeah is it just alcohol do you partake in any other no nothing

no math no no tweak no no tina as they say in some circles no go fast you know a lot of slang how do you feel about memoirs uh i wrote one i so he loves it well i think it's the most millennial shit I've ever done is to be like at 35. I think a memoir. It's time. I've lived enough. It wasn't really memory though. It was kind of right. It was like more technically self in the self-help genre.

It was. I'm familiar with your book. Yeah. It's a good book. Well, we chatted about it the first time. with your book. It's a good book. Well, we chatted about it the first time. And I think the desire was A, to make a self-help book sort of masquerading as a memoir, right? That was the way in, but really I just wanted to share these things that had helped me along my path. And then also I feel like memoirs, usually people write them when they're done. And so they can put a

fine point on things and be like, look how well I've done. And for me, it was like, look what I've been through. And I've had some wins and losses. But this is like views from the halfway point. And this is everything I've learned up until now and what I hope to do with the next 30 years. How do you feel about memoirs that are masqueraded as tell-alls or vice versa? Tell-alls masqueraded as memoirs. Oh, I don't know. Like your boy

John Stamos. Would you consider it? I read it. You have read it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, well, he's created some noise with Jerry O'Connell who is now married to his ex-wife firmly known as Rebecca Romaine Stamos. Yes. Now

Rebecca Romaine O'Connell. Right? Am I getting that right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. You're right. Yeah. Jerry's mad at John. Gotcha. That sounds fun to say. He's, I would say. What did he write about her? I think he was first go buy his book.

But I think he was just kind of honest with the challenges that come up when you go through divorce. And I'm sure that, you know, both of them had their part in things. And I would expect the new husband to be perturbed with the ex kind of putting airing out what happened to public. I mean, yeah, it seems pretty normal. Jerry trying to be a good husband probably doesn't mean I'm team Jerry. Team Stamos. Oh, well, yeah.

I mean, I get your I get your I get your J.S. for life. But like, I don't know. been probably doesn't mean i'm team jerry team stamos always well yeah i mean i get yours for life i get your i get your js for life but like i don't know how do you feel what he necessarily said i think he i think he said that like at the time he felt like she was just like she was the reason for everything it was awful the divorce and whatever and i think i think he i mean i'm not sure but i think what he comes to say is that like that was how he felt at that time and he kind of held on to that for years and now as he's like an older and he's in a new relationship he realizes that he also had a part in it and thank god i think that that's what he says but i also think that jerry's like i don't

know what he said well at least he did say that I think it's just because like tell-alls in general, I'm assuming that at some point I've been a part of one that was like very Bachelor Nation. But it's definitely, you know, their version of accounts type of thing. Right. Totally. And I'm pretty sure that, I don't know,

five, 10, 15 years from now, when it all goes to shit from people I've been on TV with who might have had an experience or two with me and other people. They'll talk about it. Might choose to write their version of accounts. Right. And it's definitely their version. And the people I'm thinking about have a tendency of coloring their version

and whatever drunken haze they were in. Well said. You know. Right. During what time. It's just like the whole, it sucks when you are a part of someone's version of accounts while they're under duress or getting paid to write the most scandalous things. It's like you have to respond to something, A, you don't even want to respond to or not.

And then your choice is to respond or not respond. Respond is to just let them say whatever the hell. And respond is to give it more attention if you don't want to give it more attention. Right. It's just kind of obnoxious. Yeah. And it's also the new husband talking about like you know sticking up where it's not even her really from her mouth like he's i don't know i'm not sure i mean i would

definitely want him to stick up to yeah if like my ex writes a tell-all and he's like his side of you know yeah how things went and it's obviously I have a different version. Right. I would, you know, if I didn't say anything. Yeah. Being like, I think John. I wonder if John had to write about it. I think you have. I think it was a big part of his life and it was public. Right.

And if you're going to write a tell all you, you got to, you got to tell, tell all. I think. Yeah. And my favorite quote that I overuse is the, the rim of the universe is long, but it tends to bend towards justice. I've never heard you say that. Drink it in because it's good. But it's true. Like you have to give things time. But I feel like to your point, people like your character is your fate and people reveal themselves over time, which is anytime I've gotten into any kind of like controversy or scandal or into a fight with

someone publicly, I feel like the best thing I've been able to do is have restraint of pen and tongue, like not lash out or defend my side because it just foments it and makes it bigger and more things to attach you and just say in time, I hope who I really am becomes clear and who they really are becomes clear. And it's almost always the case. Yeah, no, I was, I said am becomes clear and who they really are becomes clear. And it's almost always the case. Yeah. No, I was, I said this on Vow Files Plus when we were talking,

doing our pop extra, but like we talk about a lot of people on this show who are reality TV. And sometimes that comes with a critique or two, not more about like how they come across like on the show, like Kristen, who she is on tv versus in person sure hopefully probably two different entirely people and we're always kind of critiquing the television character not the person especially if we haven't met them so a lot of people listening or will ask questions be like you must not really like so and so or you do you

really hate this person and i always think to myself what's funny is like if i know i'm sure they're just fine if i don't like you especially on this show i just don't talk about you right like the people i don't care for i don't use my show to give them attention whether it's criticism or not right because like it's they don't they don't know the difference yeah and you met him and you were like no like i i have nothing against you personally yeah i don't agree with him and there's some things about his choices like i'm not in line with type of thing but like yeah i don't have a personal thing against the guy yeah he's not without you know positive qualities like you know things aren't black and white but like it's always like the people you can tell who i don't like if i stop talking about them on the show

interesting take that audience. Yeah. Figure it out. I put P's and Q's together. I'm talking about you all the time, Josh. Neutrophil. No, I love Neutrophil. I literally love Neutrophil. I used it all before I got pregnant.

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So I know, Paige, you said you were caught up on Beverly Hills Housewives. Yeah, yeah. So there was this one. This is a past episode where she was like sitting down with her therapist. And this is kind of Erica Jane's redemption art. And then she asked asked a question where she's like how do you have empathy she got a lot of crap for that because people are like what do you mean how do you have empathy right she just came out and she was like the editors gave me a bad cut the original question was how do you have empathy for someone who's done you so wrong got it very different very different that is that is

pretty dirty if they if that's what they did. I'm sure that happens all the time. Yeah, I'm sure. For all the conversations in the reality TV space, and specifically Bravo with Bethany and her silly reckoning or whatever the fuck it's called, I find that the criticism towards producers is always wildly overblown. You're all adults and sure producers might be suggestive suggestive you know maybe you could argue manipulative as

well but you're a fucking an adult right you're a fucking adult you're not fucking an adult maybe you're also fucking an adult i don't know but you're an adult you know and with a vested interest in having and and everyone who goes on reality tv wants to be the center of attention they want to be a star and so all a producer really is doing is playing on that like knowing that all these people want to have their moment you know but the edit the in post the things that they can do to change context, take out words, add in words, add music. Make it fit the story. They can completely change the entire narrative and everything you said.

So gripes around the edit are often valid. Gripes around like the producer made me do this and blah, blah, blah, blah. I always roll my eyes. Yeah. Because it's just a lack of accountability for like not liking the outcome because had it gone differently or been edited differently or the fans reacted differently because everyone does something thinking this is going to pay off for me and when it doesn't they always blame the person who suggested that it would go a different way rather than saying, yeah, I was in on it too. Is this like in regards to all the victims of Tom and everything like that?

Because there were scenes where she has said before, like, I don't care about anyone else. They're like, how do you not feel bad for the victims? And she's like, I care about myself. Like, I don't care about them. Well, we were saying this last night. I don't know if it was for that very thing that wasn't like the most recent episode though yeah there was a flashback there was a flashback to that and i will say and i i like erica yeah but when erica

is expressing empathy it doesn't land it doesn't land like when she was crying at the thing and saying sorry and she's like i'm she's bawling cry but she's just her face is there's no emotion it doesn't it doesn't land but when she's like fuck everyone else i'm in it for me i believe her yeah yeah yeah you're you're right i i agree with that i find that she yeah i think she's probably just trying to kind of come back around and be like oh no i i do i was just saying that because i was in such a dark place. But you make a good point. She does. You really miss the mark to go see her in Vegas.

She's got her residency in Vegas. She does. I got 20 dates between September and the new year. That's what you picked up on last night? That's the only thing he heard. I was pretty impressed. I mean, say what you want. A Vegas residency, that's an accomplishment. Yeah. In the entertainment biz. Definitely.

Yeah. I've never heard any of her songs or seen her perform, so I'm not sure. People love her. Obviously, she has a residency. She's a performer. She's better than Money Can't Buy You Clash, right? The Countess Luanne. I know, but that's another Real Housewives who does music.

Erica Jean's like a proper musician, right? No, she's like a, yeah, she's a performer. She's a performer. Yeah, sure. Gotcha. The Countess, who we might have on, I think. Lucky. Oh.

Wow. I have a pass with her. You do? They have a child together. Oh my gosh. Wow. Don't have a child. Solid.

You have a real pass. Wow. Yeah, how did that come about? And who else is on that list? Or is she the only one? What do you mean? A pass. Are we, what kind of pass?

Are we talking a hall pass? No. Oh, okay. That's what. I was like, Countess Luanne is your hall pass? Really? Interesting. After my first tour on reality television, I was in a restaurant called RPM Italian in Chicago.

I know it well. The Rancics. Yeah. Yeah. And so I was new to the whole scene. Didn't really know a lot of people. And Luann was there at a table with some friends. And they came over to me and said, Luann wants to meet you. And I was like, I don't know who Luann was there at a table with some friends and they came over to me and said Luann wants to meet

you and I was like I don't know who Luann is they're like she's on Real Housewives of New York I've heard of it sounds fun yeah went over said hi her friends were very lovely Luann was very lovely as well and they were like you and your friends should join us to our next stop and I was like cool we stopped by and then Luann became friendlier and friendlier um and they're like we're gonna go but you you and luann should go out and i was like i think i'm just gonna meet up with some friends you know and then i was like where are you going sweetie after this and i was i was about to go to this club this bar called stout are you from it's a college very 20 something it's called stout they serve

it's always packed you know and i was like louis and i really don't think you want to go to this place like this is not it's like she might love it you're seeing um and then she asked me if i wanted to go back to her hotel um where was she staying marriott probably something very very lovely she was very classy and I was like I'm gonna go meet with some of my friends but it was really lovely

meeting you and that was that was that so what do you mean by the past we don't have a past oh a past a past

you passed got it got it got it I thought you were saying like yeah I have a past with her she's my hall pass and I was like wow got it got it got it

I gotta say though she's looking great she does I started that was 10 years trip girls trip last night before bed and Nick was very much snoring beside me and she looks so good honestly I just look really good like they all look really good she looks the same she did 10 years ago yeah I haven't started that I should start I twist my arm I mean like. Yeah. I haven't started that. I should start. Twist my arm. I mean, like, I haven't seen anything

too crazy first episode. And I was telling Nick, our friend Sierra was telling me that she started watching it and she didn't have much of like, an oh my God, you have to.

And so I was like, maybe it's like a little boring. Yeah. I feel like with these new shows, new, like, they need to come out with a bang their

first episode needs to be fucking crazy yeah or i'm not really interested i just i can't get i don't like a lot of the um the housewife the shows intermingling i cross i kind of just like them to stay you don't like a crossover i don't love a crossover. I don't love a crossover. Not an Avengers girl. I agree. Honestly. I just, yeah. I think that now with the Bravo cons and all that, everyone's getting friendly and they all cross over into each other's shows and it's confusing for me. I don't really like it either. I like the history

that they have with each other already being the driving force for drama. I do have to say though that I was surprised that they, when they recast New York to do the new season of New York. I was like, New York is still entertaining to me. I still liked the old New York. Like, I wasn't totally turned off.

I was like, this is not the one that I would probably recast. Do you like the recast? I do. I did like this season. I did. You didn't like it? No, I wasn't the biggest fan. I just thought it was kind of boring. Yeah, I could I do. I did like this season. I did. You didn't like it? No, I wasn't the biggest fan. Yeah.

I just thought it was kind of boring. Yeah, I could see that. I did like... At first, at least. Did you finish it? We've watched the first few episodes. Josh actually liked it. I like it.

It just felt like early on, and maybe it got better. It just felt like they weren't that familiar with each other at first. And so a lot of the scenes seemed to be an attempt at drama rather than actual drama yeah because they they don't know each other they don't really know each other that well that's true it's like you know compared to like beverly hills housewives you have sisters going at it and there's like always like a history there it seems like some personal shit yeah they're fighting about so that's where it

was lost it's like the cheese board or something lasted four. So that's where it was lost on me a little bit. It's like the cheese board or something lasted four episodes. Yeah. It's hard when you have like a new season, because I think it does start off usually that way where people are not, or when they bring in a new housewife, you could tell the new housewife on Beverly Hills. I'm like, does anyone actually know her?

Even Kyle, who's supposed to be your friend, doesn't really seem to know how to introduce her. So I'm like, they can't be close. They just have like one I don't know it's it feels weird the one Salt Lake City though came out with a bang and just had me hooked from day one who's your favorite that's a hard I mean you know my love for Miriam Cosby Reds deep I know that she's like I went to dinner with people the other night and they were like, she's my top five least favorite. I was like, I they just were like, she's so problematic. She's so this and that. And she is so entertaining. It was the one person I heard she was going to Kathy Hilton.

So I'm like, Josh, we have to go to this party. And we were there. And I heard you say, Paige, she's right there. She's right there. It's Miriam Cosby. And she walked by us and we took a picture with her. We did take a picture. We have that picture.

Yeah, I have. I have the picture. And that's when she looked at my belly and she goes you're having a boy and it goes close she one chromosome off i was i was just hoping i was like this interaction won't be bad you're either gonna get mary cosby going crazy like saying some really wild stuff and you're like that was amazing she was so mean to me. And I loved every second of it. She could not have been nicer. She was an angel. It's true. I love everything she says on the show is hilarious. Her telling Whitney, you called me a prostitute or prostitution. A prostitution. Whitney's like, what are you talking about? Yeah. And she's like, Heather, what did you call me? or prostitution a prostitution when he's like what are you talking about yeah and she's like heather what did you call me a prostitution heather goes a predator a predator

a prostitution is the funniest a prostitution and then her telling heather that she looks inbred or something yeah her insults are so they cut insane they cut deep really and i just i just think she is so entertaining. I love her. Also, she was telling us about how they didn't ask her on the other trip and she was feeling a little sad about that. I'm like, Mary, you... That's right. She didn't go to

Bermuda. No, she said she didn't get invited. And she was telling us about that there and we were like, that sucks. You're our favorite character. And she was like thank you but they don't like me because i sit in the van and eat mcdonald which is why we love you yeah you don't want to participate in anything yeah and it's amazing it's amazing it's so funny and like the fact that she lives in the house with her son and they're like is your son engaged

she's like i don't know i haven't gotten around to asking him and they're like he lives in your house fully married yeah and she's like maybe so good when they gave the when heather came over and they gave the tour of her house and it's like dr seuss whoville chairs yeah i see that like the her house is so insane it is and it's so mary is she recently redid it or she is or maybe that was that was a couple seasons ago she redid it I don't know she was kind of a hoarder right oh yeah yeah that one room is really scary yeah no I love her crazy now I love her too I mean she may

be a cult leader that's they kind of just brushed over that and then they were like we're never gonna talk about that again that's why she left the show right because she was in season one and two and then she left for season three because they were like, we're never going to talk about that again. That's why she left the show. Right. Because she was in season one and two. And then she left for season three because they were accusing her of leading a cult. And she came back. And I don't think it was ever addressed.

I think it was just like, we're not going to. Did it start with an Instagram DM? An Instagram DM? Yeah. No. You're not caught up. You're not caught up. Well, you know about the SEC filing.

I do. Oh, yeah. And Meredith being like, I just got a DM. Meredith is the worst. Did you guys meet Meredith at the party? She was there. Was she there? She was there.

She brought the caviar. No. Yeah. There was caviar? Yep. And Meredith brought it. I did not know that. I didn't see her.

How did you know that? Because the reason why we got invited was girls from high school texted me and they were like- The twins. The twins. They were like, we're putting well one of them she's like my company's putting on this party for Kathy Hilton do you guys want to come and I'm in charge of the guest list and was like I've 100% absolutely didn't run it by Josh I was your plus one you were my plus one and I remember feeling like are we gonna be are like overdressed I don't know what this is and we were pulling up we saw james kennedy walking up in a fuchsia silk blazer and i was and josh was like i think we're good on

the dress code yeah i wore a sweater yeah i it was it was wonderfully festive though she brought snow there was snow so we did dr jimmy dubrow had a three-piece suit on. Okay, you want to talk about class? Oh, Josh also loves Botched. I do love Botched. I love Botched, too. And so he loves Terry. And Dr. Nassif. And Dr. Nassif, you're right. But yeah, it was so entertaining.

And yeah, Meredith was at the party. I didn't get to meet her. I can't believe that. Who else was there? I would have liked to have seen Meredith. Did you? This was before I really got into Salt Lake. But Kyle, didn't she kind of like walk out when we were at the entrance yeah did you meet kyle didn't meet kyle then we saw kyle the next day at the

variety yeah you went again most powerful women in really tv didn't you say oh yeah and you went up to talk to candy and i asked candy on my show and kyle was sitting right next to her like well kyle my people are talking to your people but but love to have you too. But Candy gave me her number. Oh. And then Heather came up to Nick and was like, I have a lot to say. A lot to say. I need to come on the podcast. We'll be having Heather on.

Okay. Let me know. I can sit right there and just watch everything. Do you want to? Yeah. I would love to be here for that. Well, since we've been talking about Salt Lake City, we've heard from half the cast. Lisa?

Whitney? Whitney? Have you had any of them? I have not yet. Honestly, when we saw you at the party, Justin, when I hired him, immediately it was like Salt Lake City, Housewives.

That's franchise. I agree. I'm with you Immediately, it was like Salt Lake City, Housewives. That's franchise. I agree. Get on it. I'm with you. Once that was planted in our head, we started hearing that more and more often. I think you are also another person. I was like, hmm, the Salt Lake City. Yeah, I was chasing down Miriam Cosby. Then we saw Mary.

And then we've been watching it. And yeah, Meredith is scary. With the accent. The fake accent. The fake accent is so bizarre. It is really wild how it just like comes in and out. And no one ever addresses it. Well, this most recent episode, she she is spreading more rumors, allegedly rumors.

How does she say rumors? And so, yeah, she allegedly from a fake account sent a bunch of accusations via DM from like a dummy account. And then was it her and Monica were together shopping on Main Street in Salt Lake City and the mafia, the Greek mafia gets brought up. Oh, gosh. They're like Angie. You know how Meredith has it out for Angie Kay. Yeah. So she was like, well, Angie K is in the Greek mafia.

Monica's like, really? And so they start talking about it and they get home. Okay. They leave each other. Monica's like, I got a call from Meredith. And she's like, I got a DM about Angie K being in the Greek mafia. You should check your. And she was like, really?

And she was like, you should check yours. And she was like, I probably don't have. And she was like, no, you should check your DMs. And so she checks her DMs and lo and behold there's all the messages and then they continue to message monica with like court filings and like um how they filed for bankruptcy just information is flowing like going straight just through the dms to monica yeah and um this random account is like monica you need to know this information it's probably her son no it's meredith yeah yeah

it's meredith for sure but it's her son it's coming from what's his name he's getting his lisa that confronts meredith and then they show meredith being like and they're very specific with the accusation is you're spreading rumors you You're sending these DMS. This is what you're doing. And then Meredith is like, they're mad at me for like nothing. Yeah. She's so out of touch. Which is so funny. You know that that's an admission of guilt because she's not saying they're accusing me of things I didn't do. No, she's saying the thing they're accusing of me is no big deal. Yeah, yeah. I really have to catch up because that is my favorite. I haven't watched in a few weeks.

And my sister was telling me last night, she's like, you need to catch up because now everyone's turning on Monica. I mean, I think everyone's kind of been turned off to her. Well, Monica always, every once in a while, will remind you that she had an affair with her brother-in-law, and every time she says it, she laughs. Josh is like, what is happening? He's just listening. But doesn't it make you want to

watch Salt Lake City? Yeah, definitely. The drama in Salt Lake City is unlike any, you can't get it in any other Like, the way that they did, Whitney and Justin did Meredith and Seth's podcast. Yeah. Seth asked, like, where's the craziest place they've had sex? And Whitney says, when I was under your desk hiding from HR.

And I'm like, the craziest place you've had sex is when y'all were both cheating on your spouses. He was your boss. You were hiding under his desk. The head of HR comes into the office and you're like hiding under the table. I mean, I guess that's the craziest place. Way to bring up a bunch of trauma. The whole thing. The whole just the Mormon element.

The Jen Shah. Everyone's storyline is crazy. Everyone has a crazy storyline. Have you watched Potomac? No. Do you like Potomac, Justin? Potomac is like the bad girls club of housewives. Oh my god. I love

the bad girls club as a preteen. Yeah. Okay. Which I definitely should not have been watching. How come there's no fandom at all left for like the real world like because they

keep making them right no I don't think the real world I think they stopped it it went on for a while there's a

challenge yeah but it feels like there's zero fandom it's kind of like their bachelor nation I think of it's like they all do the different

challenge shows now from the real world I think it still exists but I've do the different challenge shows now from the real world. It still exists, but I've just never been into it. Yeah, it does exist. Emily watches it. My friend. Does she like it? Loves it.

I think I think they still have a cult like following. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Also, the teen moms and all that they still have on there. What is this, Justin, about a doctor who appeared on Bravo's hit reality TV show was arrested for stealing cast identities? Yeah, so this is still like an investigation, but they just had the first hearing for the court case this past week.

So there's a couple that appeared on two trips within like the below deck universe, one on Mediterranean, one on the actual season. This is for you, Josh. One of them's a doctor uh dr francis martini's he's a urologist in fort salagona and his wife jessica were accused of allegedly using the personal information of other cast members to write bogus prescriptions for oxycodone happened and then it says a subsequent investigation revealed that the doctor had sent dozens of prescriptions for oxycodone to Suffolk County pharmacies. Over a two-year period, law enforcement officials said many of

these prescriptions were allegedly fake, written under the names of two below-deck cast members. So the prescriptions were allegedly for members that were on the crew. So you could have a doctor writing prescriptions under your name, and you don't

even know about it so meanwhile like there are informations out there that you're like maybe allegedly taking this pain medicine that you're not sadly it just sounds like the doctor is an addict yeah i was trying to get his fix an addict or a drug dealer. Or a dealer. But it's funny because I've known doctors who got sober in like the 60s and 70s where there was no oversight and you could literally

write prescriptions to yourself. And that sounds fun. That is nuts. They also talked about how people would come from drug reps with samples, like cartons of samples

and just be like, this is a new thing we're working on called Vicodin. And they would just have thousands in the office. And thankfully, because these things have ruined lives, there's far more. But there's always going to be the random doctor

from below deck who's trying to go around the system. That's crazy. Do you guys have any parenting policy on your kids? On Oxycodone. Not that, too. Because now we're about to have a baby like we're we share a lot about our lives on the internet do you guys have parenting policies about how you like show or not show your kids and things like that because like we were talking about last week andy cohen apparently has also decided not to no longer show his kids faces Benjamin I think also they get

to a certain age where they start to have a personality and they become they start to look more like themselves like how they're gonna look so if you do there is like a fine line where you start to realize if they could be recognizable that you it does freak you out a little bit that like people will be walking down the street someone will say hey josh can i take a picture with you or whatever and they'll be like hi max oh my god he's getting so old oh and it'll just be like so bizarre such a weird it yeah it's a little weird and then that point i just like grab him and like run away as fast as i can yeah it's a hard it's a fine line i mean i have sometimes i'll share a thing that we have now with like close friends it's nice because you can

still like share pictures of your kids but i share very limited every once in a while i'll throw up a photo here and there but i try not to like reveal too much about yeah and did that what they're doing did that kind of like when they were born did you have a different stance on that and then just like once they started to look more like who they're gonna look like you'd stop um i think josh is like a little more obviously way more public than i am with just he was on youtube at the time people were very invested in the fact that we were having a kid which is weird to me because I was so not in the public eye as he is and so when we had him we kind of you know we're doing yeah like he's a baby or like no one can really tell it yeah but then yeah people just know their

names they kind of feel like they know you from you posting online. They feel like they're entitled to say hi to you, which it's like such a weird thing. Because if you're sharing your kids online and you're like, yeah, this is them. And then if someone says hi, I guess I put that information out there. So that's not weird. Yeah. We try not to share too much of them anymore. I don't know. It's like hard. You, we try not to share too much of them anymore. It's, I don't know. Yeah. It's like hard. You never know what to do.

I feel like once she's born, you know, when she's just a little bean. Yeah. Right? Like, you know, we'll probably take some beautiful baby pictures and I'm sure we'll share that and not do the whole like emoji over their face. Because like you said, like, what's the point? Just a little bean. But as she gets older and turns into a little human with her own qualities and distinguishing features

and attributes, yeah, I think I'll be, we'll be a little bit more cautious and productive. And we were very critical of a mom last week. You know,

Bonnie, what's Bonnie? Whatever. Oh, yeah. With the Matt Rife stuff. Yeah. She got mad at us.

Oh, she did. Yeah. I mean, good for you guys. It's like some people. She got mad at us. Oh, she did. Yeah. Wow. I mean. Good for you guys. It's like some people. It's so obvious that she like, she's like,

stop spreading lies. I'm like, what am I lying about? It's my opinion. Yeah. Like you're using your kid. He's six years old. He's six years old.

He didn't, he, first of all, he's not watching the Matt Rife special. He doesn't have an opinion on Matt Rife. He probably doesn't know. And it's just like, I just,

the way some of these influencing parents will use their kids. Right. And you could tell like. Well, she definitely told him what to say. Of course. Because why else would a six year old be like,

you're not nice to women. Yeah. It's like, how would you know? And then. Why would you know that? I see it. It's not even just her.

You'll see with other parents too. And these kids are like throwing these like lines and these one liners or these little lines and these one-liners or these little and like shit you know nelly and i sometimes will make stuff for fun it's easy sometimes we will have to record something out of you know work yeah and like you don't just nail it in one take so to speak and so we'll take a lot of we'll do stuff let's try it again let's do this again and then you imagine these parents who are clearly doing that with their kids. Yeah.

Unless their kids are all these one hit wonders who can just drop these like deliver a line. No problem. You know that like these parents are like feeding their kids line and giving them notes, telling them to do it again, maybe even getting frustrated at their kids for. And it sounds so fucking gross and icky just you came into the acting world at a young age yeah if your boys no no not a chance i um not even if they say it's my dream i think it here's what i would say it's the same pages father played in the NFL. So we,

and we've always been around a lot of like close family friends who are professional football players. And so whenever people ask about Max playing football, I always say not unless he's great because the risk is too high. In my opinion, like if you love, it's one thing to love it and that's fair enough. But again,

if you love it, but you're not great it's just not worth the risk in my in my feeling so similarly with acting like i also having started as young as i did maya bialik has this good quote about why she doesn't want her kids to be actors and it's because kids need to be allowed to have a bad day and you can't have a bad day on a set especially when you're the actor like there's no calling out sick i mean it does happen but it's like then a massive insurance day has to happen yeah and it's huge it's not just like cover my shift and that pressure that would go so much pressure's crazy. And it just can't.

I was in a very unique situation. I had a single mom, only child. Like we were going through a lot of, you know, just normal challenges. I was like this chubby kid. Gave me a lot of confidence. And my mom was like, I'm going to support it because he really, he feels great when he does it. does it but max and chai have very like what what i hope is more of a typical you know classic support system and roots and and i also just uh this might be a little inside baseball but if you start acting when you're 13 you'll always have the moniker of child actor right which is like schmucky and annoying right because in times there's surely plenty of child actor, right? Which is like schmucky and annoying, right? Because in times

there's surely plenty of child actors who prove the stereotype, right? But then there are people who, and even myself included, who feel like, oh, I've continued to work and continue to have success. And, and obviously there's the Scarlett Johansson to have crushed it and become movie stars. But, you know, I, I hope to not always have that moniker and what i would say to my kid is like if you just wait till 17 you'll never have you'll never have to fight that stigma because something about 17 18 you start then you're not a child actor you're just an actor interesting i just think that like we've we have talked talked about it. And for me, I'm like, if my kid's like, but mom, I really love it. I'll be like, great.

I'll sign you up for the local theater. I'll take you to the class. Yeah. If you love it, great. Do it. But like, if you want, you can study it in college and go and like really do all that. But like have a normal life and be a kid and, you know, go to school and do all the things. And then, you know, eventually if you're old enough and you're you're like no I still love it and I want to keep doing it then

great but I'm I'm I just wouldn't put him into either of them into like acting as a kid it's just like different it's a different life and did you watch Drake and Josh um I my younger sister was a really big fan Drake and Josh she is a true fan. And so I, I had seen it for sure, but I wasn't like, I think I was maybe a little older. Did you watch it? when we first met. And I remember my friend was like, it was a party in the Valley that all of us from high school would go to every year. And like people would show up, all these celebrities and stuff. So my friend, we were there, we're eating pizza, everyone's drinking. And so it's like, oh my gosh, Drake's here. And everyone was like imagining the rapper. And so I'm like, oh, that's, that's like a big get for this party wow and so we we're walking out

and I was seeing Josh I was like I see a cute guy too so at the same time my friend and I both go he's there and I was like no I'm talking like I'm pointing to that guy she's like no so am I and I'm like what are you talking about that's not Drake like I'm like we were all like dying laughing trying to piece together and then everyone's like no it's from Drake and Josh and I was like okay that makes more sense but I just we were like laughing because everyone was looking for Drake at the party that's how you met him yeah that's how we met yeah who made the first move uh her friend yeah my friend not really her friend Ani who I have to give all the credit to, kind of like connected us because I think she maybe, as you said, thought maybe I was not ugly. And she came up and started talking to me. She started the conversation.

Said you should meet my friend. Yeah. And then when did you get the hint that she was into you? I just, I was in the, I was at a place where like I was 24 and I just like, I was pretty upfront. I was like, you know what? I had done so much of that. Like, let's chat for months and like, and then maybe possibly on a first date six months from now, like maybe I could, we could hug.

And like, I was just more of like the, do you want to go on a date? Let's see. And if not, like, I don't want to go on a date let's see and if not like I don't want to waste your time like if you're not into it and uh so I think I was pretty much like yeah why don't you give me your number and we can go on a date yeah which I appreciate it because also I I just was young and surrounded by like young people who didn't want to ever go on a date or like do that it was just like he just was like do you want to go on a date and i'm like yeah sure hot chocolate hot chocolate and twilight that's so iconic yeah in love so in

love yeah how did you propose i uh okay well it's it's a fun story whereas um so i decide i want to propose to page so i start calling around and I don't know if you had this experience, but you start asking your friends, like, you have a diamond guy? And everyone's like, bro, don't worry about it. I got the guy. I'm like, I don't want to go to downtown and shady boardrooms and whatnot.

So I have a big brother and I called him and like from the Big Brother Foundation, like since I was eight, right? So this guy's been in my life for almost 30 years. And he's the best, Dan. And he's got a thick Boston accent. I was like, Dan, I want to get engaged. Like, do you have a diamond guy?

And he goes, Josh, man, do me a favor and call your mother. He's like, because once you propose, her mother's going to take over. But your mother will love you forever if you include her in this process so i go good advice i call my mom and i go ma i want to propose to page obviously we've been together like five years already so she loves page and and she goes um what are you thinking for the dimensions i go uh this size diamond and the shape blah blah she goes you'll have a rendering

in an hour so she calls her diamond guy in jersey stop an email hits it looks great he makes it and then it sat in uh my safe for like three or four months. Cause I couldn't figure out what to do. Um, so it sounds cooler than, than I am, but I was working Paris fashion week. Um, as one does.

Okay. Very fancy. Obviously. And, uh, you know, influencing and, uh, I have pages coming with me and I just had a feeling her wonderful aunt,

AJ would always kind of like elbow me kind of at family functions like oh what are you what are we waiting for yeah like thank you AJ I hear you and uh I was like if we go to Paris like I don't know I just feel like she might be expecting it she says she wasn't but so I'm like I can't wait to do it in Paris because I'm an idiot I'm gonna lose the ring it's gonna be terrible so I'm like I'm gonna do it in Paris because I'm an idiot. I'm going to lose the ring. It's going to be terrible. So I'm like, I'm going to do it right before we go. And then we'll have this incredible trip. But I'm like, I got to ask her dad first for permission. So I show up at her house the day before. And at this time, some of her siblings are still living at home. It's like one of those busy true family homes. Someone's always home. And literally I pull up and I'm so nervous. And her dad walks out of the garage and he goes,osh do you know where everyone is the house is completely empty i go thank you god

like here we go and i go uh hey ken um it's such a manly name ken very manly and i go uh i i want to ask you something he's like, yeah, no, he doesn't talk like that. I said, I wanted to ask your permission to marry Paige. And he goes, oh, oh, well, I think if you love her and she loves you, then yeah, I think that's great. I was like, bet. No, I didn't say that. He's like, get out. I tried to. And then after I was like, and how are you? And he's like, I can tried to and then after I was like and how are you and he's like I can't do

right now the next day I before we I proposed in bed before we went on our trip stop and you weren't expecting it no and I was like thank god you did it like this like he woke I would be so nervous I just don't

like eyes on me i don't the whole thing when people do public engagements i'm like good for you it could not be me and yeah he just and i was like oh thank god and then we went to paris for a few days and we didn't have to like do the whole thing where people are like oh my god let's do a party and all the things it's just like we got to go away and hang out it was fun oh my gosh so romantic and you guys you did the opposite we did all the things you hate oh flash mob definitely wasn't like in front of the castle at disney oh my gosh it was um fun she wanted a party with to celebrate with friends that was that was the only request that I had.

It was whenever you do this, wherever you do it, she would like it documented for memories and she would like to celebrate it with friends and family afterwards. Yeah. So I kind of had to plan a surprise party, so to speak. And then I had to figure out, well, she wants, I know she's going to want to get done up

and get glammed and look nice because she's going to want this recorded and how do i do all that and um so i had my pr team uh plan a fake event it was a private screening for a man called otto tom hanks's new movie at the time that came out and tom was gonna be there and we were gonna meet tom which i had to think of who would be a celebrity that anyone would be excited to meet but when she realizes she won't meet she like will be fine that's smart thanks duane the rock johnson yeah so yeah it was like there i mean we made a flyer and we used uh canva canva canva we used Canva to make a little flyer.

Cute. Shout out Canva. Use code Bio5. And she walked in her room with lit candles. And I actually recorded a message because I figured I'd just cry through most of my speech. And then I walked out and proposed. And then we went to a party. Was it just the two of you in the room

when you proposed? There were two friends. But it was, there were two levels. So it was only Nick and I. Right. And then upstairs. They were part of the, and I hired extras to like.

Act like they were also going to the event. Also going to the event. Wow. So we're like waiting in line and it's like one person at a time can go in to this immersive experience with tom hanks and a man called auto it's just you and tom yeah and so there's like other people coming in who are like checking in and saying their names and like talking about how excited they are to like meet tom and go to this event stop and then nick is, I guess at some point he realized I had my purse with me.

And he was like, she's going to have to put that down. Like, what can we do? So the girl out front who's checking names is like, also, there's like no bags allowed. So I'm going to have to take your purse. And the girl behind me is like, no, this Gucci's my baby. I'm like, okay. Oh my God. Nick's like, easy with the improv.

Yeah. Come on. Take it easy. Reel it in a little bit. I'm like oh my god it's like easy with the impromptu yeah come on take it easy reel it in a little bit you're selling too much literally literally uh

but it all worked out there's a video of it on our Instagram I'm gonna go the full version's on TikTok the only thing better would have been

if after you proposed everyone's happy you walk into the party and you had Hanks there right we I heard through my team that word word got back to Tom if after you propose everyone's happy you walk into the party and you had Hanks there. Right. I heard through my team that word got back to Tom that I was doing this

for whatever that was worth. Cute. So he was aware but didn't care enough to be involved. He was like, oh, cool. That Hanks.

Yeah. If it was like Beyonce I probably would be like where is she? So, no, just kidding. It was perfect.

It was great. Yeah. We should do it again. Do we have to let them go? Probably. No. Any final thoughts? No, thanks for having me.

He's my first podcast. Yeah, it's so great. It was your first. It was my first podcast. It was your first. Please come on The Good Guys. Please have us. Anytime you have anyone from Salt Lake City,

let me know if you need an assistant. I can help you type out some questions. I think come January, there might be some Salt Lake City ladies on the Lyle Files. Can't wait. Truly, if you'd like to come. Please. I would love to.

Please. Meeting Miriam Causey, I still talk about it. And I haven't shut up. And I haven't shut up about it. And then, yes, promote all your great work that you're doing. The Good Guys, my podcast with celebrity Ben Soffer. Soon to have you guys on the show. It's available everywhere you listen to podcasts.

And your Instagrams. I have nothing to promote. Do you want? At Paige O'Brien 2Ns.? At Paige O'Brien 2Ns. Yes. Paige O'Brien 2Ns. And now that the strike's over, will we be getting to see you

in any stuff coming up? Or what, after the Oppenheim big break? The Oppenheimer, yes. That was not right. No. The story you told me at the party, is that something you've told before?

I don't want to get you in trouble or anything. Which story? Just how on set where you didn't want to ruffle any feathers out of fear of lines getting cut. Oh, yeah. Oh, I haven't exactly told that story, but yeah, I basically, the whole thing was a dream sort of process.

But when you're working at that high of a level with Christopher Nolan and Robert Downey Jr., Kelly Murphy, these incredible actors, you want to be very careful with doing anything that's going to, you don't even want to do anything that'll get too much attention. You just want to go in and do your job and uh but yeah there were there were certainly moments where sometimes a line would get added and you'd get thrown a line and you're like oh my god like this is this is good this is another one so it was uh it was a pinch me experience for sure um and i did this cute movie with diane keaton and kathy bates it'll come out next year that's iconic yeah Yeah. Truly. They were unreal. I was excited about that one.

Diane's like my queen. Yeah. Diane Keaton and Kathy Bates. That's awesome. That's awesome. It was fun. Eugene Levy. It's a really fun cast.

Stop. What is this called? It's good. It's called, yeah. It's called Summer Camp. I don't know. I think probably like summer, fall. What character do you play?

It's about these three women who go back to Summer Camp to sort of rekindle their friendship that they had sort of lost over the years and they had met at Summer Camp. And I play sort of the hapless Summer Camp counselor. Ah, love. Yes. The stir of hijinks.

It's really cute. It's a really sweet movie. I think people will like it. Can't wait for that. Thanks. That's going to be fun. Yeah. All right. Well, guys, I can't thank you guys enough for coming. So much fun. Please come back.

Thanks for doing it, Paige. Thank you for having me. Really, it was more like ask Paige to come on because of all of her wonderful Bravo hot takes and we will reluctantly agree to also let her bring Josh in. Thank you so much.

Bring your famous... Paige actually is like your agent and got you on will reluctantly agree to also let her bring Josh. So you're welcome. Bring your famous... Paige actually is like your agent and got you on the valve. I'll just be the Uber driver next time. Josh's career is really taking like a different turn that he wasn't expecting because of my obsession with Bravo. He's going to Kathy Hilton's. He's going to talk to... It was a real

happy moment for me when I got to talk to Josh about, you know, reality TV and being at Kathy Hillen's house. So thank you, Paige, for indoctrinating Josh. And it was great having you both. Love the couple vibes. Truly. Just a little double date. Can we go on a double date?

I'd love to. Anytime. I'm sure you have so many places in the Valley that you love. Plenty. We don't know any. So that would be amazing if you could. Yeah. Cute. We found a new burger spot have you been to um easy street that's i feel like that's like so you haven't you like a good smash burger who doesn't easy street better i think than

burgers never say die burgers she wrote burgers she wrote have you been to burgers she wrote i haven't also really good i feel like you hate smash burgers. I don't seek out burgers. But I'll eat them when you guys have like the best sushi over here. You do? Yeah. She's not a huge sushi place. I love a California roll.

You know who has shockingly good sushi? Honor Bar. Yeah. He said Honor Bar. Yeah,. Yeah, yeah. Honor Bar. He said Honor Bar. That's like. Yeah, that's because it's a hillstone. It's our favorite sushi probably ever.

It's that sushi outside of Japan. It honestly is like. She was like, one day she's like, you should try the sushi here. And I did. And I was like, oh my God, this is incredible. It's a life changing moment. Yeah. The hillstone group.

Shout out Houston. Skull Stream. True. Bandera. It's really good you're so well versed uh all right well we'll be back on thursday for another episode of going deeper thanks for listening don't forget to send your questions at ask nick at the valve files.com for all things texting office hours mediation ask nick you know the drill and uh i think that's it

don't forget next, this holiday season, we're dropping two episodes. Just an Ask Nick, not just an Ask Nick, an amazing Ask Nick episode. And then we have an update special on Friday. No reality recap, no going deeper. Enjoy your family this holiday season. Don't forget, we dropped an amazing episode of Ask Nick yesterday

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