The Viall Files - E697 Going Deeper with Taylor Ann Green - Olivia Texts, Austen Accusations, and Revenge P*rn Plus RHOSLC

Episode Date: January 25, 2024

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What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another dramatic episode of The Vile Files Going Deeper Edition. I'm your host, Nick, joined by the household and my fiancee, Natalieally joy oh my god what hates me what do i typically it's like the love of my life the mother and you're like my stupid fucking fiancee no this bitch no i just thought i mean no one would know because i cannot wear my ring any longer it does not fit over my fat swollen knuckles oh is that why yep i know it's really sad can't you put it like on a different finger that's what i was doing was wearing it on my pinky and then i was like it's a four and a half it's tiny and it won't yeah it won't go over my knuckles anymore so

i just felt the safest thing to do is leave it at home. You know? I like that. I know. Well, I think the baby bump is... Working my territory? Sign enough that I'm taken. Yeah. Gotcha. Interesting. Interesting. Well, we have another amazing episode.

How do we do this? How do we deliver on such high quality programming? Why are you so shocked? Episode ever. I'm not. Yeah. You know? This is typical for us. This is typical for us.

It is typical for us. The one and only Taylor Greene is our guest today on Going Deeper talking about her drama on all things

Southern Charm of which she was involved in many. I really enjoyed our talk with Taylor. I did too. We learned a lot. But we don't want

to spoil anything because obviously that's why you're here to listen. We'll talk about it maybe a little bit uh on tuesday on reality recap give our thoughts after you listen to her thoughts and make thoughts of your own but before we get to taylor a lot to talk about we have some housewives of salt lake city to get into before we do that should we talk about the barbie snub the oscar snub everyone seems to be freaking out about that what are your thoughts

justin do you have any? I think they should have gone costume and makeup for sure. Like that's the part to me that I'm like, that was the whole point was it was like practical sets and stuff.

So that to me should have been, they created a whole world essentially for the movie. So the big, the big drama that's unfolding is that Margot Robbie and Greta Gerwig, the director and writer,

I think she wrote it as well, were not nominated for Best Actor and Best Director while Ryan Gosling, who played Ken, was. And the irony of that... There is no Ken without Barbie. Right. It's a movie about the plight of women in a man's world, so to speak.

And then for the man to get nominated. The man to get nominated, but the women don't. Did you see his statement, though? Yeah. I thought it was really nice that he said, to say I'm disappointed that they're not nominated in their respective categories would be an understatement. Against all odds with nothing but a couple of soulless,

scantily clad, and thankfully crotchless dolls, they made us laugh, they broke our hearts, they pushed the culture, and they made history. Their work should be recognized along with other very deserving nominees and i guess it just depends on what you think the oscars should represent you know there have been other for example in the past like when leo won it a lot of people suggested that was more of a a lifetime achievement award rather than award for his role in the reverend like what are the qualifications for winning best director or best actor or actress in your respective category you

know is it solely based off their performances in that movie or is it more of a symbol for you know bigger picture ideas or thoughts it's interesting because the oscars is usually known to make like trendy decisions so they're going to give the nominees to the trendy films, and Barbie was such a big film, but then they didn't get arguably the most important nomination for the film. But this is about the fact that

it's a movie about the plight of women in a man's world and Ken got nominated over Barbie, which again the irony is thick. It's comical how ironic it is. It's a missed opportunity, I think is the way to think about it. If Justin was voting for the best actor,

like what would your qualification, or best director, like what would your qualifications be? I mean, at least for like that context, I think she was a good actress because she played a role that had a big impact on the world internationally. Like that's what I think the argument is.

Yeah. So it's less about the performance and more about the impact? Well, I think her experience, like, plays into the performance. And, like, the social reception of the film is, like... I also think it's easy to, like, chalk it up to, like, oh, she's a doll or, like, it's a dumb character. But I'm like, you don't play things dumb. And she didn't play it dumb.

And, like, she's come out and, like, talked about the meetings that she and Greta have had about Barbie herself and how she's actually not stupid she just doesn't have like the certain parts of our brain that we do where we have like social cues or we like have like these you know thoughts of death or like anxiety or anything like that so like reworking like how to portray that without it like she didn't just play ditzy so i think oftentimes like when you just throw it out there like oh they're playing a doll it's a doll and like i don't think that's like makes it any less impressive or there's less character work or there's less like nuance to the writing and the performances i think it's good we're debating it though because the oscars is known to have a lot of politics behind money and like a lot of nominations go to films that have a lot of money to like put on galas and dinners for the people who make the decisions.

So like the fact that audiences have recognized that that was like a poor decision I think is a good thing. I agree. Yeah. Moral of the story. All right. Moving on. Salt Lake City. Wild finish. We were discussing this before i am

just shocked by the number of fans out there who seem to still want to support monica and are really angry at heather and we now found out that monica is no longer coming back to the show technically not confirmed but well andy said on his radio show, I think just this morning, he still referenced like letting it breathe. He implied that maybe while she won't be back next season, that maybe in the future, if these women, maybe men fences or the dust settles, that maybe they could bring her back in the future. Andy didn't seem to close the door on Monica maybe coming back someday. But it also seems like maybe she's done filming. At least for now. I will say it was an extremely difficult episode to watch. I think just because these women don't know how a reunion works

and none of them could shut the fuck up. I mean, I couldn't. It was just like Lisa Barlow needs duct tape. She, every time someone says something, she pipes in. It's extremely annoying. So I think all of the other housewives know how this works and they know how to argue. But maybe because this one's so new, maybe because the situation is so fresh and they were just so angry. But the biggest screamer of everyone was Monica by a mile.

For sure. Yeah. Monica and Lisa't both of them it was i've never been a brutal that little like split screen that they kept doing they never do that in reunions yeah and it's like andy couldn't even get a whole andy's like can i get in here can i get in here and it's like they don't even hear them they don't even care but i i don't get why i mean i get monica was good tv sure fine whatever like it's not that, I get Monica was good TV. Sure. Fine. Whatever. Like, it's not that hard. Like, Monica was good TV because she, again, is morally bankrupt and she is super messy and she is the

daughter of her toxic mother. Literally, Monica said on the show, I am not a bad person. Bad people are murder children. That's her barometer so to monica as long as you're not murdering children you're a good person so jen shaw is a good person in her eyes by that statement but it's kind of like but that tracks with monica the lying the deceit the manipulation the stalking you know and then the whole episode monica's like what i didn't stalk i only drove past her house four times. That's fucking stalking. It was always like, I didn't do this.

I did that. And you're like, do you not understand the difference? There was a point where I honestly was watching and I said to Natalie, is she not mentally well? It just seemed like Monica didn't quite grasp. Andy pointed out to her, it's like, how do you not understand why these women might be upset? Yeah, I will say this is not me defending defending her but i think she was like throwing out those qualifiers because she

didn't have a chance to like speak because every time she started speaking there was like lisa or heather like clapping back at her so then it became like no i wasn't stalking it was four or like no i wasn't the entire They all started with lies. The entire conversation around the stalking, like the FBI asked her to drive past her house. And then, Andy's like,

wait, so the FBI asked you? And she was like, I didn't say they asked me. It's like, what? You literally just said that. Literally just.

So what it seems like is that at some point she was a witness for the FBI. And the witnesses said, well, hey, if you're're a witness if you notice anything else let us know so monica decided let's go they want to hire me let's let's do a state i want you to work for them so she decided to stalk jen shaw she is a classic she's a fan she is a fan who doesn't have housewife pedigree that's i'm just sorry she admitted it she said yeah i did want to be on this couch yeah yeah and she she cheapens the brand she does she's

a grifter she is someone who just like will manipulate her way into rooms or on couches without having the clout without having done anything not every housewife is kathy hilton or denise richards i get that not They're not all Beverly Hills housewives, but like, it seems like the majority of the housewives they cast, like whether they've earned it on their own or through marriage or whatever, like are doing something or a part of certain circles. They're not just, they didn't manipulate their way into a show by deceit and lies and manipulation. And then only to come out and find out that they were internet bullying their peers.

And I don't understand... How much do you think she manipulated to get on the show? Because during this reunion they had asked Andy, like, why did you let a troll on the show? Andy said, I never knew. She said that in her first casting interview. She said, I ran a troll account. And Andy said, quite honestly,

Monica, if we knew that, we wouldn't have casted you. Do you believe that though? I do. I really do. I just, listen, you know more about Housewives than I do. I just think,

yes, producers are trying to make good TV. I get that. But I don't think they're that desperate, you know, to cheapen their brand. Not even after Jenshaw?

Because I think there was a little panic of like, where does this, where does this franchise go? It's possible. I don't know. They left that in.

They could have edited that part out. They left that in for a reason. You know, Andy saying that doesn't mean it's true, but I don't know. Is it really worth doing that? Like, again, they could have left it in there. So is it really worth them leaving it in there to have Andy Cohen, their host, the matriarch of, or patriarch, you know, of the franchise, and then put him on the show and have him publicly lie for no reason? He's an executive producer, so I think he didn't know,

but I think his actual show producers, someone knew who was casting. That's my take. I don't know. But I think she served her purpose. I think the Jen Shah era was coming to an end, so they needed someone to come out with a big bang so that they could next season just restart. And I don't understand why... Yeah, Heather lied. The black eye thing, I just feel like is way overblown. Heather fucked up. And what Andy said to her about what she did was accurate. But the difference between Heather and Monica, that's how you apologize. Heather was trying to be a friend for the wrong reasons. She made poor choices.

She fucked up. But her intentions were to be a friend. Misguided, no doubt. But we all make mistakes. It's not a matter of whether she made a mistake or not. It's the fact that Monica clearly doesn't get it. Monica clearly doesn't think what she did is wrong she downplays everything her whole burn book was just fucking weird it's just like

and maybe that's just how her brain operates you know she's just not on the same level as these other women who have different priorities monica's whole goal is to be famous is to be on tv that's the purpose it's there's nothing else you know and i just i don't know i just uh i'm gonna propose something some would say that heather had bigger allegations or like she was doing more harm than monica was because she was saying things on multiple different shows regarding the black guy where she was saying like oh it could have been production it could have been another housewife sure like it could have been someone who snuck in the house versus like monica

was just like a troll that was just spewing i don't think monica should be arrested yeah you know like there's a there's a world in which heather's lies about jen shaw could have got her into some court sort of legal trouble it's possible you know what i'm saying like she was lying for a criminal and she might've had to face those consequences. I'm just saying, I understand like for these other women, the betrayal and deceit and the, I just wouldn't like for people to act like Heather and Lisa and Whitney and Meredith are somehow supposed to like, look the other way because of their relationship with jen shaw like heather pointed out just like no i made that mistake before i've been friends with the wrong people i'm not gonna do this again and i just feel like fans are just like oh well she's

the best tv it's like sure but like it's not that hard to get mess get messy people like to cast housewives they have to come from a certain pedigree that's the show i also think heather was i think a lot of that is taken out of context i think she what like she said she was joking the like producer thing it definitely probably wasn't funny and that like some producers probably got questioned and whatever but i can see how on the show she said she was like drunk and hit a cabinet. Isn't that what she said to the other woman? And then there was like Jin Shaw being like a spider laid eggs in your eye. You know, like I think they were it was constantly this like different.

What could it be? And so I don't think that is really a crime. I think she just was like leaning into the like protecting Jin Shaw and then joking and trying to. I think Andy made a comment that it was because there was like leaning into the like protecting jinshaw and then joking and trying to i think andy made a comment that it was because there was like internal investigations like that's like she was saying these things while they were looking into the situation and to be clear what heather did was wrong yeah and i mean she owned up to it so that is a difference yeah she started off apologizing to andy to the women to the fans to the producers to the cast to the women, to the fans, to the producers, to the cast, to the crew, to literally everyone. And she's like, I fucked up.

And Monica still has not. Andy ends the reunion being like, do you have anything left to say? And she couldn't say like, obviously, I didn't mean any of this. I meant all of this to expose Jin Shaw and not to hurt these women. So the fact that these women are hurt, I am sorry for that. She couldn't do that. She does the literally opposite. There's an excuse excuse for everything and she is so her mother yeah you know and it's just like she's just also her tapping into the security cameras at jen's house

and listening to lisa barlow talk about like the snoop dog thing and then pulling that out later and lisa being like i never told you that i that. And then Lisa putting two and two together that that's how she knew. So fucking creepy. Yeah. Like she's sitting at home watching Jen Shaw's security footage and like listening to her conversation. Yeah. It's fucking weird.

That's the part about Monica that's insane is she's been looped in with these women indirectly for like four years. Yeah. And a fan first. A fan, yeah. Yeah. And when Heather went through, was it heather or lisa i think it was heather maybe it was lisa did what who just kind of articulated like how they see

their relationship with monica as someone who they've known for a long time who has been a fan and then got us with security cameras infiltrated started working for jen the fact that jen was a criminal doesn't like let Manica off the hook you know what I'm saying it's just like yeah they're two separate things they're two separate things and then used you know fine she took down Jen Shaw good for her but it didn't stop there you know what I'm saying

and so had it stopped there fine she could be like oh it was all about Jen Shaw it was like no Jen Shaw being a criminal just seemed to like play into their benefit that's all yeah well even Lisa said she said it's not about the troll account it's about the deception so it's like the fact that she came on the show and like kept going deeper i totally agree too with andy and lisa like if monica would have came on and instead of leading with i cheated on my husband with my brother-in-law and was like i was a part of this troll account this was my only involvement and

like i hated seeing stuff about y'all in there i you know advocated for us to only keep it about whatever the fuck the truth is i don't even know if she knows what it is at this point but if she would have led with that i do think it would have been very different and maybe she'd have a chance with this group. But like- It's a good point, yeah. Everything about, especially episode three, said that Monica doesn't get it. It doesn't register. It's over her head.

She's her mother's daughter. And to me, like the women pointed out, I would never want to be in the same room with a person like Monica. Because she is so toxic and so unaware of her toxicity and so willing to make excuses for everything, everything in real time. There's always some bullshit excuse. And listen, she's made, we have all made mistakes. We've all done things we've had to like apologize for. We've lost

friends for, we've, we've hurt people we love. We've all been there. Some of us acknowledge it, make a difference, make a change, show remorse, actually try it, and then set new boundaries and expectations. Heather comes across as someone who's willing to learn from a mistake. Not that she's incapable of making them, but she's willing to learn. Monica comes across as the opposite. So for people defending Monica and using the Jen Shah of it all to criticize Heather and call her some sort of a hypocrite because she made a mistake just like Monica. It doesn't track for me. I think they're both the Lulu, but Heather apologizing

was the Lulu, right? That's what it is. The Lulu. It's wild. It's nuts. It really is nuts. I wonder where what season five looks like. Yeah, I think they start shooting soon, like in a couple months. They'll have to add, won't they? Add a woman?

My theory is that they're going to keep for sure everybody but Monica so that they can have a second chance at just being a good group of women. Maybe more Mary? Probably, yeah. If she'll come back. Mary's so prickly. In what way?

She's clearly in her own world and yeah i love she's great comic relief she'll say whatever is on her mind she's very direct and she'll say it to their face but like she doesn't make sense half the time and she's very sensitive and prickly yeah like but she's also like harmless like she's not like her words aren't necessarily doing much yeah mary also seems like intelligent it seems like mary whether you i agree with like mary's like moral compass all of it or not that she at least has one you know like mary has her own values but she does try to adhere to them where monica i don't think there's any again i'm not a bad person i don't murder children i think that said a lot about who monica is i think it a lot also she her not understanding that because she didn't

invent the rumor but because she is the first one to say it on camera and announce it to the fucking world she like doesn't get that those two are different she's like no but i didn't start it it's like no but you just notified literally everyone no one knew about it before you said it that's you starting it yeah and think about it her mom abandoned her as a little girl to go chase her own dream in new york to be a star and that sucks for monica and whatever trauma she experienced so it does it makes makes sense that Monica is just as obsessed with being a star and the competitiveness between her and her mom is like deeply rooted in who she is. And I think that's the it's her only driving force is to be more famous than her mom. And I think that's her compass. Scary.

Yeah. Yeah. She's not a good person. She just isn't, you know, and maybe she was at one point, but I think she's too far gone. And unfortunately she is her mother's daughter.

And she has so many daughters. It just is like, I hope you can be a better role model for them because it's so sad. Yeah. And the whole, like get your kids names, my kids name out of your mouth it's just like how can you go on a show like this and be this messy and be such a bad example to your children and

act like being a parent is a top priority for you i don't understand that it's bizarre it's bizarre but fun to watch yeah what a season truly what a season well i think it's very close to taylor time before we get to taylor we're here to remind you that uh we got an episode tomorrow it's our update special for everyone it's a update special classic that everyone gets to listen to and boy is it a good one there's a call on there that is really heartfelt it's really fascinating it's our third call it's really great all the updates are great, but that one really warmed my heart. And that's tomorrow. That's episode 698,

which means on Monday, Ask Nick, episode 699. And on Tuesday, episode 700, which are our guests for episode 700, Tom Sandoval and Tom Schwartz on the premiere of Vanderpump. Vanderpump starts next Tuesday. So we will obviously be talking a little Bachelor,

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Get to know Tom and Tom with us. It'll be wild. Get to know Tom and Tom with us. It'll be wild. You won't want to miss that. That is Tuesday. It's another reality recap slash going deeper. And then on Thursday, we have a special guest for you on Going Deeper that we can't wait. Allie, have you started working on that sizzle yet for the Toms?

I'm afraid to. I'm so excited to see it. I don't even know. I don't have a vision for it. I have a excited to see it. I don't even know. I don't have a vision for it. I have a vision, I think. I just, I was, jaw was open. I've said it before,

but cheeks were clenched. Texts were being sent to both Natalie and Justin, wondering if I was in a simulation. It was wild. It's a great episode. It's a great episode. Very fun. You'll want to tune in. Don't forget to send in your questions at asknickatthe the vile files.com for all things texting office hours mediation all of the above we gotta we have a great texting office hour uh for you today with uh taylor all right let's fucking do it taylor green everybody

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Not gonna lie, I am a little nervous. You are nervous? Yeah. That's why you had those mimosas on the way. Exactly. Why are you nervous? Well, I did. I came out here by myself.

I was like, I have all my friends that were wondering who, who was going to come out here. My family, who's going to be out there with you? It's like, no, no, no. You guys need a break. Like y'all have been behind my back, supporting me, calling me, checking in my like second therapist. So I was like, you guys get a break. I can do this on my own.

I've got friends in the city. So I'm going to meet up with them later tonight. All right. So it's not because you're interviewing with us. No. No. Honestly, people wanted to...

Some people are scared. A lot of people wanted to come in. They're like, I want to see, I want to see. It'd be fun. Well, we're very glad

you're here. Yeah. Thank you. Very excited to be talking with you. You've had a hell of a season. To say the least. How is your heart?

My heart, it's still beating. Okay. Progress. Yeah. Progress. I don't want to get accused of anything. I'm like, don't have a knot. My heart is still beating. Okay. Progress. I don't want to get accused of anything. It's like, don't have a knot. My heart is still beating.

Okay. We're going to try not to kill you this interview. Now that the dust has settled, you know, the reunion has been recorded. It's been out. Are things on the up? Are things kind of still fairly low for you? Or are we still on a downhill progression in terms of where you're at mental health wise? I would like to say, or it's probably just kind of steady at this point.

Okay. The reunion is, filming the reunion is like a therapy session from hell. I remember last year saying that it was probably one of the top five worst days of my life. Just coming out of it, feeling like an absolute shell of a human. And so this season or this year, it kind of feels like the same thing. I really have no idea where I stand with a lot of people amongst the cast, like the girls, especially. I've had a few reach out to me and we want to get coffee and just kind of catch up and hopefully be on the up and up. So it sounds like that's kind of what we're striving for.

But who's reached out to you? Actually, Leva and Vanita have reached out. I've been talking with Madison. Her father passed away, sending condolences to their family. I know it's been kind of crazy what our cast has been through just in less than a year. Family tragedy. Yeah. And I'm sorry for your loss thank you yeah we kind of joked before you started that you uh you're involved you were involved at

least in the season in drama with everyone pretty much everyone yeah let's name the person yeah jt JT, Austin, Olivia. Whitney. Whitney. Shep. Shep. Yep. Who's with everybody. Madison. Yeah. Everyone. Where do you want to start? Where do I start?

The very beginning. Let's start with maybe the easiest ones to address, and then we'll get into the more complicated relationships. Like maybe JT is the easiest one. Yeah. That's easy. Like why the fuck were you wasting time with JT JT is he's been a friend I've known him for many years and so when he told me that he was interviewing for uh sudden charm I was like oh my gosh that'd be so awesome he's a great friend we

were actually just uh traveling around Europe together and we had a great time he'd always kind of like put off these flirty vibes but that's just how he is with people and everyone. So I didn't really see like any kind of camaraderie orbeknownst to me a little bit. So when it finally was coming out, I was like, JT, if you can't read the room, like I've got a lot going on right now, buddy. I was like, and I love you to death and I love your, our friendship and your support,

but I mean, taking it to the next level is just like, it's not the right time. I love you. I'd marry you tomorrow. Whoa. It's like in the middle of like all this other shit going on. It was just like another thing where I was like,

JT, read the room. And then Shep comes up and he's like, let's go talk. It was just like another thing where I was like, JT, read the room. And then Shep comes up and he's like, let's go talk. And you're like, okay. Yeah, that was, oh my gosh. Yeah, every single moment during this season, I felt like I was just drowning. It didn't matter who I was with or even if it was just like on my own,

I just felt like I was drowning and I would see the surface and I would come up to take a breath of air and I would just swallow so much water and then just continue to drown. So it was really tough. And, you know, trying to navigate all of the drama while also trying to be respectful to like Olivia and putting our drama aside while she and her family are dealing with what I know now, like one of the hardest things that a family and a person can go through. So it's just like really tough to try to do your job, but also like respect the boundaries. Yeah. Where do things stand with JT now? Has he accepted that he never has a chance with you ever?

You know, you're saying there's a chance. No, I love JT. He is. He really is. He's a great friend. Because you might not hear that the same way you mean it. Oh, my gosh. I find myself saying jokes a lot. And then it backfires on me. I'm like, I'm joking. It's a joke.

Come on. You guys know my personality. I'm always wanting to be lighthearted and funny. And I think that's why Shep and I got along so well. Because we don't take life seriously. Do you think he accepts that you guys are so. You guys are just friends. We really, we have a great friendship and he knows my boyfriend. And so. Do you think it was fair for him to put that on you when he did? I mean, you're well within your rights to say what's on your heart, what's on

your mind. Yeah. Again, it's like we have a job to do and maybe he just was like nervous in that moment. But I was like, this is not the right time to be doing this. Also, there's like not that he had a shot to begin with, but he was like in a costume. It was the Bieber hair for me. We look ridiculous right now. He seems to put a lot of work in to get that waft going. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

There seems to be a team involved there. I mean, he must have blew-dried it 50 times over because it's normally all back. So having it full in his face was really funny. I don't mean, like, I feel like I'm hard on him, but he just, he's got that kind of, you know, short guy kind of overcompensating and then does the whole, like,

it's like I grew up knowing guys like that where they would try to cut you at your knees and kind of go behind your back and play the nice guy with the girls kind of thing and you know i don't know he just kind of reminds me of one of those guys i think i think that that probably is like a part of his real personality but he executes his job well so what do you mean by that people want him want to see like what are you going to bring to the table he's like okay i've i got it i'll bring it to the table he when madison said is this the guy version of me i'm like yes because madison knows what what she needs to bring to the table and she does it so he's kind of like the same i think it even teased austin saying like

you've said you're a gentleman so many times, but like, let's talk about. Everybody has their skeletons in the closet. You know, JT has been around. Like he's been in Charleston for a very long time and nothing is hidden in Charleston. It's a very small city. And so you can sit there and call somebody out for their BS. But it's like look in the mirror too. Whitney, what was going on there? Yeah.

Also, I feel like you got the short end of the stick there. I did, because Whitney never films. And so he can't really speak upon much of anything, because he refuses to really talk about anything. Why is he on the show, then? So I'm honestly confused about that like i know he's an executive producer but he never like he doesn't have a say so on what gets he's an executive producer supposedly but he doesn't and i guess i don't know everything there is to know about

southern charm or its origins but like yeah how maybe for those who don't how did this whole group patricia yeah oh well like how it came about yeah the origin stories of this is and this is probably one of chef's favorite stories um you know he was he actually was living next to thomas revenel when he first moved to charleston from uh post-grad and i guess thomas had invited them out to go get some drinks and he was like i met this guy he from LA. He's like out here, just kind of his mom lives out here. They've got this awesome house on the battery. He finds the Charleston dynamic fascinating. And he wants to do like a script or maybe not like a scripted show, but he wants to create like some sort of show. And it

really was supposed to be based around the Peter Pan's of Charleston because it is majority of men that live in Charleston. And he just found that fascinating. He was like, there's a story here and like there's old money. Let's get into this. So they did like a little pilot show at Shep's farmhouse, like about two hours outside of Charleston. And then the network kind of picked it up and like, well, let's get some girls involved in this. We don't want it to just be like, you know, like a bachelor show. But so they got the girls involved and that's kind of how it came about. But Whitney was like, you know, he was the producer on that. He was the one that was kind of taking the lead.

So now he's an executive producer and he's kind of on the show. Yeah. Every once in a while. But other than when he's not exposing people's nudes. I think now is a great time to get our mimosas, which I believe are being brought in right now.

Before we answer this question. This is Allison, everybody. Awesome. Wave to the camera, Allison. Thank you, Allison. Yay, Allison. Do you want to pop the bottle, Taylor? Sure. I'll try not to take anyone's eye out.

Interesting choice with the Simply Orange Juice. Allison, let's talk about orange juice quality. Nick is so good. I'm very particular with my orange juice. You did a great job, Allison. Did you hear about the whole thing with Simply Orange? I'm a fresh squeeze guy. My dad is like, it's cancer. What is it?

It's supposedly fake orange juice. It's like fake orange juice. I was like, Dad, it's cancer. What is it? It's supposedly fake orange shoes. I was like, Dad, everything gives you cancer now. We're all going to die. We're all going to die. If we can't trust Simply Orange Shoes, what can we trust? It's funny. When Simply Orange Shoes first came out, they were like,

it's Simply Orange Shoes. Turns out, quite the opposite. It's Simply more than that. It's Simply. Simply orange juice. Turns out quite the opposite. Yeah. It's simply more than that. It's simply not just. Yeah. It's something like if you read the label, it says like oranges from like Peru and Canada. And you're like, what? To not Florida.

Like, okay. And yeah, I don't know. It's kind of weird. There's a whole conspiracy theory. If you guys have Craig on, he can go into the conspiracy theory about sentinel issues. Oh, yes. I'm sure he can. Yeah.

One of many. One of many. You are partially on the pandas aren't real train? I, okay, so I started watching videos and I was like, how are those actual real animals? Like, they're so dopey and they just roll around and how do they live in the wild? You're like, that is a person in a costume. So I was like, hmm, maybe Craig is kind of onto something. Okay.

Okay. I'm going to do this. Cheers to you guys. Thanks for having me on. Oh my God, no. Cheers to you. And hopefully I won't take anybody's eye out. All right.

Okay. Here we go. All right. Nicely done. Yay. Like a pro. Every time I have a Bravo celebrity on, we drink. We're kind of pros at drinking early in the morning.

Cheers. Cheers. Thank you again for having me. Thanks for coming. Back to Whitney. All right. So when Whitney is not sending people's nudes out into the wild and showing other people, he is also kind of executive producing the show.

Kind of executive producing. I really don't think he has any say in who gets brought on, what the edit looks like. Is he the only person who has said he is an executive producer? Are other producers like, yeah, no, he is? Or is he like, trust me? That's actually a good question. I have never solidified if he actually is or not. I've never had like

somebody be like no yeah he is um i don't even know if i've seen his name like pop up on the on the edits or the credits but um so i don't know he very well could not be so what is it all the full story behind that now that you're here in uninterrupted you were feeling frisky and sent something and then all of a sudden everyone found out about it. Yeah. You know, I could also sit here and say, I want to take that to my grave. Who wouldn't? But, you know, it's part of our job. Charleston is small. Things get around. And my story behind that is that it was a very drunken night. It was like two in the morning. My friend and I had been out for Halloween. And so I sent a picture of the two of us. And I was like, what are y'all up to? And then I found out that he and Shep were like gallivanting around town and bringing women back to Miss Patricia's house.

petty self decides to send what I say in quotes, like a very inexplicit nude. It was not, you know, straight up like, you know, here's my whole body. Like, come get it. It was not that at all. It was very inexplicit to the point the next day where I was like, what the fuck did I just do? And I go, I was like, who is that? And he goes, I don't know. I thought it was you. I was like, no, that's not me because you can't see anything. craig actually said that and he was like you literally can't see anything it's very dark so that's why when like we had to discuss it because that's what we have to do so wait are you saying that if you send a nude to anyone on southern charm that is considered fair game to be discussed i mean it will be discussed like it really will be there's no secrets how do they draw a line between like you know it's a tv show and revenge porn

exactly um and that's pretty much i i really haven't looked into all of that until it was brought to my attention i was like wait a second yeah I was like, you can't be doing that. You cannot be going around like showing people, you know, something that I sent to you in confidence. The only reason I wasn't so upset about it is because you can't see anything. I was like, I'm not gonna, you know, I'm not gonna bring this to court

because it wasn't this like explicit thing that like you can see all of my, you know, you can't see all my junk or whatever. And I was like, I don't have it wasn't Madison like oh yeah you can see your vagina and your like whatever she said and I was like that's kind of like that's Madison though she's the shock factor she's got to be like okay I'm gonna she I'm gonna deliver yeah so um it was like truly unfortunate that it got brought up but I will own up to everything that I've done and so that's why I was like truly unfortunate that it got brought up, but I will own up to everything that I've done. And so that's why I was like, we're going to sit here and talk about it.

All right, let's talk about it. Did you feel shamed by your castmates? Not shamed. I understand why people not shamed for the nude, but understanding why people are like, hey, why do you do this to Whitney? Like, why Whitney? And that was the big question. What do you mean to Whitney? Or not to like, why did you send this to Whitney? Like, why Whitney? And that was the big question. What do you mean to Whitney? Or not to, like,

why did you send this to Whitney? Oh, okay. Because I'm like, why did you do this to Whitney? Is he a victim in this? Like, I don't know. Yeah, like, why did you send this to Whitney?

Like, why him? He's another friend in the group. And, you know, it was just, I was like, that was flat out because I was coming after Shep. Like, I just heard things about them.

Was your toxic side? Yeah, it's my toxic side. But so I regret it a million times over. Can you explain to me, and that really isn't a question for you, but Shep's not here. What's his deal? Like, I don't,

he doesn't want to receive a nude from his future wife. What is, what's up with that? That's weird. Yeah. Maybe you can send me nudes. No, i'm aware it is interesting i don't understand i hold them to a higher standard and i get that i don't i don't i don't get that it's odd but we i mean shep and our relationship i mean we go we go

really deep um obviously we dated for two and a half years. So there's a lot to unpack there. But he's a very interesting human that is like, you cannot really, you can't just put a description to Shep Rose. There just is no perfect description of who he is. So yeah, if I was feeling frisky and sent something to him, he would just kind of brush it off and i was like what is the deal but then but yet you can go out and like receive news from other women or like get dms from women being like kind of provocative and you love that and it's enticing and it's fun but i think it's because it's wrong like that it feels like it's exciting and fun and because it's not wrong if i do it then it's not exciting i guess that's my interpretation yeah i don't know it's not wrong if I do it, then it's not exciting, I guess.

That's my interpretation. Yeah. I don't know. It's just still weird. It is still weird. It is. Because like, yes, I get the whole it's taboo, the excitement behind doing something wrong. But like still receiving a tantalizing picture from his girlfriend.

Yeah. You know. I. You know. I don't know. So I stopped doing that to him. One of many weird things about Shep, I guess. Yes, one of the many. Well, since we're talking about Shep, where do you guys stand now? We are, we're very good friends.

What does that mean? Because if I'm being honest, watching this season and even watching the reunion, If I'm being honest, watching this season and even watching the reunion, you two still seem to enjoy letting the other person know that you guys still have some sort of connection. And you guys, at least it comes across that you both kind of get off on making sure the other person know that, you know, you're still special to me. I get it. You dated for two and a half years. I understand. But you're in a new relationship now.

He's, I don't know, doing his thing. And it still feels like you guys are still trying to stay emotionally connected, even as friends. And it just allows and creates these kind of toxic situations. Even like when Shep had his moment on on part one and very humbly kind of talked about his drinking problem and then when he was done kind of pulled you aside and weirdly and bizarrely said to you I really wanted to tell you that in private which is to me I thought was such a quite honestly a bit manipulative of him because it's like if he really wanted to tell you in private he had plenty of time yeah he didn't have to you know and so that was him afterwards after telling

everyone pulling you aside and just letting you know yeah i could have should have told you privately because you know we used to date two and a half years ago but i didn't you know but i'm gonna say i should have but it was really just about letting you know that he still considers you special. Right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I can totally see that from the viewer's point of view. Trying to actually understand our dynamic. Shep is the type of person where he will always want to be friends with his exes, friends with... He doesn't have enemies.

I mean, I'm sure he does but he's he's kind of one of those people like he's unaware of his enemies type thing and so after we broke up he just wanted to be friends like right off the bat and i was like this is not how it works like you hurt me like deeply hurt me and i'm still trying to figure things out and then i find out you're traveling around like a month after that, where that we've been broken up and you're, you know, out and about doing this and that with,

with other women. I have women messaging me, telling me about your hooking up with, with their friends and all this stuff. So I was like, I, I just, I can't do this right now.

And he's just the type of person that wants to be friends with everybody who wants to have that friendship. And I am too, but it's just like, it's a two way street. It is a two way street. Absolutely. He who wants to have that friendship. And I am too, but it's just like- It's a two-way street. It is a two-way street, absolutely. If you set a boundary, he needs to respect that. Yeah, and I'm the type of person

that I want to be friends with everybody too. But I was like, I just need my space. Like I need, give me some time to like heal from all of this. I can't just go into like being friends with you when three weeks ago you were talking to my family about marrying me. And so I was just was like, give me my space. And he just wanted to jump back into everything. So as the season unfolded, we really did get the chance to kind of mend the brokenness a little bit. I probably was a little misled. I thought that maybe he was interested in getting back

together. And that wasn't the case. But, you know, after my brother's passing, he was one of the first people to show up. He drove up to Raleigh and was there to be with me and my family. And so that was really big. He was good friends with my brother. And so for him to show up like that, I just was like, bullshit aside, like you were there for me and i appreciate that and now like starting from this point forward we do have a good close friendship um he still is in like group messages with my family and it might seem like how's your boyfriend feel about that yeah i know um he he's he's understanding of it like he gets it to the point where it's like okay this is somebody who is good friends with your brother. Um, and he was friends with your brother.

Like that's, that's kind of where I have to see it. And I'm like, I understand that it's, it's awkward. And we just came off this really rough season and I came off this really rough breakup and I was like completely spiraling. And even in the season, like my emotions are spiraling with him a little bit. So but he's like understanding that he goes, I understand where you're saying that y'all's friendship moving forward from that point when he showed up for you and your family moving forward like Austin and Craig to talk about his downfalls and what he's going through, he had also reached out to me. But I didn't know it was upon that. I didn't know what he was wanting to talk about. He wanted to go for a walk on the beach. So he did try. He did try.

So he just said, hey, I would love to go for a walk on the beach. We can take the dogs out i was like no this is i'm dating somebody and i'm respecting my relationship i would like for you to respect my relationship as well and so but that was why he wanted to that makes sense i mean and i guess yeah it does it does add a lot of context yeah but nevertheless you're not his girlfriend anymore and you're in a relationship. And despite him going through what he's going through and dealing with his stuff, which is admirable that he's addressing it, breakups are tough. And sometimes you have to do the crass or harsh thing or whatever you want to call it by being like, yeah, we're not friends. friends you know and maybe down the line we can be friendly with each other and we can be in the same room and we can introduce each other to our partners if that ever happens but like you know and we've all done it right we've done the thing where you date for a long time and you break up you got a group of friends i mean that you know long relationship ago but like you know one of my

girlfriends we broke up we broke up i was just like we can't date we just we weren't getting along but we we shared like best friends yeah and it took like a year to break up you know even though we were broken up we never got back together but from like the time we actually broke up to like it was like completely out of each other's life was a whole nother fucking year because you keep getting brought back into the same room and then it's very easy to go out, hook up, you know, shit like that. And you just you have to look finally to say, no, this isn't OK. We're not together. Like someone has to be the dick, so to speak. Right. And I think Craig does a good job at that. He's he was like, you can't just be friends with your ex. Like he never wanted to

really have a friendship with Naomi after they broke up. And when she was back on last year, he was like, I can't do this. Like, I don't want to have a friend. I don't want to be around my ex. I don't want to do that. But I mean, I might be an enigma in some sense, too, where I'm like, I can handle it. Just like, give me my time and my space. But eventually I'll get there. And eventually I can have that friendship. And I'm like, zero strings attached. I mean, in no way do I ever think that Shep is trying to like sneak his way back in and no way will I ever want to get back together with him. Like what's done is done.

Like I've moved forward and he is a friend to me and that's it. Yeah. All right. Period. Period. Do you want to get into Austin or Olivia first? Y'all's choice. Dealer's choice.

Dealer's choice. Austin, I guess. Well, they're kind's choice. Dealers choice. Dealers choice. Austin, I guess. Well, they're kind of combined. Yeah. Yeah. Did you listen to our episode with Olivia? I did. Yes.

I actually listened to it on the way over here. Okay. I think for a long time I was, I've just, I've been going through a lot with the season, with the airing, with everything that happened with my family. It's just like, I felt like my cards were dealt and I was just, again, I felt like, okay, I got out of like, we're done filming. Okay.

Now we're going to be able to like air, it's going to air and everything's going to make sense. Everything's going to come to light. And it just, it didn't. And I kept on, like my jaw kept dropping every single episode that came out i was like oh my gosh oh my gosh and so it draw was dropping because you saw it in a different context or you didn't like the edit or you felt like things that were filmed weren't shown all of the above like how exactly i think a little a little bit of all the above but just

watching myself like watching myself spiral having my my close friends and my family just going i've never like this is not the taylor that we know i've never seen you act this way i've never like this is just so bizarre to me i don't even want to watch it anymore. So, yeah, it's just like coming off of all of that. I was I felt like I was I just wanted nothing to do with the show, with anything. I knew that Olivia was going and doing podcasts and I was like, I just I can't listen to it. I know it's going to be bad. I know it's going to be like bashing me. You know, I listened to the episode. She's very heartfelt. She really is. She's a good friend.

And I will always have that door open whenever she's ready to have the conversation. I just feel like looking back and then listening to the podcast, we're never on the same page. We were never on the same page. How so? I mean, I'll take responsibility for that. I felt as though the whole situation that happened after I told the truth and I told her in like the worst way possible, you know, it's, I had to tell her at that dinner, which was like the worst time ever. But I had been reaching out to her all that day, that morning. I was like, can we please meet up? Can we please meet up? I, I'm trying to do my job. I know we have to do this on camera, but like but I have to tell you something. I have to be honest with you. And it was like,

she just kept on being like, no, I'll see you tonight. I'll see you tonight. I was like, oh my gosh, I can't do this. I'm not camera trained. I don't know how to do this. I don't know how to do my real emotions while also having to do it on camera in front of the entire world. And so I was like, I'm going to pull her aside right when she gets here. And that was wrong. Like I should have it should have been on one on one. It shouldn't have just been this like, I have something to tell you. I lied to you. I'm really sorry. OK, it's out there. Like, we're done. Can we move forward? And that's because I'm watching Shep and Austin. And that's kind of how it was with them. Like they let it out. They let the truth out. And then they're like, all right, buddy.

And they literally hugged right afterwards. And so I was like, okay, that's probably how it's going to go with me. Like me and like Olivia will just be like, it's really shitty of you that you lied to me, but thank you for telling me the truth. Okay, let's move forward. And then that, you know, obviously wasn't the case. It was just like, well, those boys have a very unique relationship. I mean, guys in general i i

mean usually the dynamic is different than women friendships not always but those guys are even more bro-y oh yeah the average bro they definitely know things about each other that they will take to their grave um those three are i mean it's bizarre like very bizarre and since i'm like kind of jealous of their friendship because i'm like that's how I I'm, that's you know, i've been wronged in the past and i'm just i'm like life is too short I don't want to hold grudges against anybody I don't want to have you know, like unforgiveness in my heart towards anyone And so that's just I was like, okay

This will be like olivia is a very understanding person and I hope that she can understand, you know, that, that this is what the conversation I wanted to have with her before we got to that dinner. And then, you know, of course thereafter, I was like, so apologetic. Like, I'm so sorry. I lied to you. You know, that I wanted to tell you like only you, I was like, I am trying to figure out how to navigate telling you something that I should have told you from the very beginning, but also knowing that our lives are projected out for the world to see. What exactly did you cop to?

In the truth? Yeah, when you told her. I was like, so going back to the coffee scene, I was like, should I just start from the very beginning? Julie Andrews. So, you know, after the after reunion last year when I was like just an absolute shell of a human, I felt I've never felt more empty in my entire life. And I the first person I saw was Austin. We went to brunch that next morning and I was like, I don't want to be sober. I was like, I was like mimosas. Like I can't, I just, yesterday was hell, was absolute hell. And so we're drinking mimosas at brunch. And then I get home to Charleston and I'm like texting my girlfriends that I want to go out for wine. Like yesterday was so horrible. I just, I don't want to be sober yet. I don't want to think about anything that was done or said. And it was like back in Charleston that I started leaning on on Austin a lot. And I was

like, I just feel so broken. I feel so empty. Like, do you think that you know what what what did I even say? I feel like I blacked out. I don't even know what happened. And he was a shoulder to cry on. And then with like the background chatter of everyone being like, you and Austin, like you and Austin, he's in love with you. And Madison even saying he's in love with you and you guys should give it a shot. It should be Taylor and Austin. It should be Taylor. So in that moment of just brokenness, I acted upon it.

And do I regret it? Absolutely. Looking back at everything, it's like, holy cow, this is what has come out of all of this. And I never wanted it to be that way. So I should have immediately gone to Olivia and said, this is what happened. And I'm really sorry. And I was very broken. And I made out with Austin. We had a conversation because it was something serious. And people are like, oh, why did you talk to your family about it? If you guys weren't like hooking up? I was like, well, it's not like we were sitting around the Thanksgiving table being like, so my feelings with Austin, I went to

somebody who I trust. And that's who Austin was like, go to somebody that you trust. It's not a mutual friend. That person was my brother. And I was like, I trust my brother more than anybody on this planet, because he knows Austin and he gives me like strong, sound advice. And immediately he was like, what are you doing? He was like, you like, don't follow through these with these feelings. Your emotions are all over the place. You're very broken. I know you're very broken. And he was like, and then it's Taylor, it's Austin, like, come on. And so I was like, you're right. You're right. I just, I was like, I wanted to talk to you about it because the situation at hand is very serious.

Like, this is my ex's best friend and this is one of my good friend's exes. And so that's why it was talked amongst our quote unquote family, meaning it was just my brother. It's like, it's not just because it's family. It's somebody I trust. So there's just, it was just a makeout. Just a makeout. Olivia is convinced you guys had sex. I know.out. Because Olivia is convinced you guys had sex.

I know. Yeah. Is she still convinced you guys had sex? Yes. And JT. JT said it too. JT. I think everybody, and that might be part of what comes out in the second part of the reunion.

Everybody on that couch was like, we believe that it was. It wasn't just like, well, we think. It was like, yes, yes, yes. It was like we believe that it was it wasn't just like a well we think it was like yes yes yes it was like they definitely did and here's what i'm so confused about this is that like it is if you're being interrogated and austin the guy you allegedly hooked up with or didn't hook up with isn't part of this group and in their same room and friends with guys that he seemingly they share no secrets and i'm just trying to figure out like why there's this like did it happen did it not happen when the other person austin who was involved in the story isn't really saying anything yeah so i guess it's it's isn't that kind of bizarre i I mean, this is what I've learned about Austin.

Um, and like, I, I do care about him a lot, but he only cares about one person and that's himself. And I've learned that the hard way. I felt like I was trying to protect him. Uh, when we went into this, I was like, I don't know how to navigate this. I'm walking into filming for the first time, like by myself. I was like, I, I, I always had Shep to kind of protect me or like have my back. And now I'm like walking into this by myself. So I was leaning on him to be like,

how do I navigate this? I really want to just tell Olivia the truth. And it was like, no one's going to ask us if we made out. Like that's such a middle school thing to ask. He's going to, they're going to ask if we hooked up. And the answer is no. He's like, okay, you're right. And also too, in my eyes, the sober conversation that was had was more important than the drunken kiss. So I'm telling Olivia like- And that the sober is you guys talking about your feelings.

Right, talking about our feelings for each other. And I was like, that to me is more important than the drunken kiss. And so when I'm telling olivia that and telling her a lie essentially you know i didn't tell her the full truth i was telling her a lie so just so everyone's clear what was that the only the conversation part okay so and i left out okay right hey austin and i we talked about our feelings but you didn't tell her about the kiss right okay and then she point blank asked me if we had ever done anything. And I said, no. And it was like, in that moment, I knew,

I was like, she knows I'm lying. And after that scene, I just gave her a big hug and I started crying. I was like, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. And then I was like, I don't know what to do here. And I was like shaking. Like she even, she texted me and she was like, I never want to have that conversation with you. Like you were literally shaking. I was looking shaking like she even she texted me and she was like, I never want to have that conversation with you. Like you were literally shaking. I was looking at your hands. You were like shaking. And I remember one of the producers being like, you're sweating.

Are you OK? I was like, I just I felt like I needed to say it. But I was protecting Austin because we had had this like, quote unquote, pact that we were just going to stick to. We had the conversation and that's it. The kiss doesn't matter. Like, what does it matter? Now I'm like, it means everything. Like, had we just been like we made out one time and we had a conversation, I'm really sorry.

Like, I wish I could go back and say that. Austin was on board with like not telling Olivia and was like, don't. Did he say like why you shouldn't tell Olivia or was he just like we this will be really bad let's i don't think it was like a this will be really bad it was just kind of a non-factor it was like it was a drunken kiss it was stupid the conversation that we had was actually like real and looking back i'm like no it wasn't you know we were just like dumb and stupid and lost in our emotions it wasn't like a real conversation but in that moment it felt real like no i get we've been there yeah everyone's had those right like yeah you're caught up in the moment exactly so i wish that i could i could go back

and just like have told olivia the truth i should have run to her like from the very get-go so you do you feel like because you told her that lie, that that is what is causing Olivia and quite frankly, pretty much everyone else to assume that you and Austin did way more than just kiss and have sex? Yeah. I mean, everybody thinks it was like. Well, fine, we just made out. Like, but you're. Right. Well, I think I think a part of it, too, is there is like she thinks that there was a trickling of truth that was coming out.

Yeah. I mean, she feels, she thinks you guys hooked up and kind of low-key dated behind people's back, it feels like. That's, she's convinced there was a whole relationship. Yeah. That's kind of what I'm figuring out. And I mean, it sucks that that, like, I can't change her narrative on what she believes in that there's nothing that I could do or say. It's like after how I handled it was very wrong. Looking back at everything, what I did was very wrong. Confiding into somebody who I was

selfishly just saying this is my friend. I'm going to confide in him as a friend. It's like, no, that's actually my good friend's ex. Like, I don't need to confide in him. That's my ex's best friend. I don't need to be confiding in him. So like, I fully take responsibility. And like what I did was wrong. And I should have gone immediately to Olivia. But I'm like, not only every single time his name was brought up, it was like this anger that was just like, she was just still wasn't healed from him. I don't want to kick her while she's already down. And I was like, nothing came of it. Okay. It's not that big of a deal. Nothing came of it. It's not like we're, you know, it was not like these feelings were pursued for a very long time. It was just like a one and done thing. I'm just going to

forget about it, especially because our lives are on TV. And I was like, if I bring this up, then it's going to be a whole thing because people were so adamant about us giving it a shot, give it a shot, give it a shot. And I knew there was going to be brought up. And if I could go back, I would have immediately just told Olivia and be like, I have to tell you something. There's so many times that I wanted to, and I just didn't. So, and you're saying all this, knowing that, I guess, if you weren't telling the truth, if you guys hooked up, you know, I guess there's always Austin there who could come out next season and be like, Taylor, you're lying.

You're fucked, you know? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I mean, he totally, and if he had that in his back pocket, he would. Like, I don't, like I said, I don't want to throw Austin out on the bus, but like he only has his own back. Well, to me, it's incredibly bizarre that you're the only one under fire. Yeah. And Austin doesn't even have to, he doesn't even have to answer questions.

It doesn't feel like. I think it's because I am unapologetically myself. And like I said, I mean, I'm not camera trained. I just I don't know how to stop talking sometimes. Do you think it's maybe also because you're the woman in this situation? I was about to say. It very well could be that. I mean, I was looking back. I was like, wait a second. Whitney wronged Craig by hooking up with Naomi. And Whitney and Craig are fine. Like, I really enjoyed meeting Olivia.

I thought she was very sweet. She is. But it just, one thing, and I asked her about this, too. It just doesn't track with me that she has such vitriol for you, doesn't believe you, and is hanging out and going on trips with Austin, you know, and and forgiving him and being friends with them. That was hard, continues to be hard for me to digest that and understand that. That's kind of what I was hoping reunion would be based around, because not only in the meantime, from filming wrapping to filming reunion, had, you know, this tragedy happened that now I can relate to what Olivia went through. And she was on my doorstep and came to my house

and sat in bed with me and cried. And I was like, you know, again, like all drama, all BS aside, like if we can just move our friendship, it might not ever be the same from what it was, but if we can have our friendship from where it is here and moving forward, because this is what's real, like what our families are going through is so real and so horrible. And then, you know, for her to be able to understand all of that and for me to be able to understand everything that she went through to have that bond, I just saw that that's where we were going to be moving forward. And she'd been checking in on me and, you know, we would text over holidays and like, hope you're doing okay. And when her, when the episode came out with her brother's passing, you know, I texted her, I hope you're doing okay. I'm thinking about

your family. She's been dating somebody. I'm dating somebody. She went on vacation with Austin. It seemed like, okay, everything is in the past. Like what you did as a friend was really shitty. And I don't blame, I'm like, yes, it is. And I wish that more than anything, I could have taken all of that back and like taken back the lie, just come to clean to you because look where we are now. And, um, and so I just, I thought that at reunion, it would be like, there's real things going on here. Austin and I are good. We were just on vacation together. We have this weird, strange bond. And I think that that's what's important here. So what you did was really shitty. And let's just move forward. You know, our friendship might not ever be the same, but can we just move forward or let's just move forward? And that's what I was hoping for. And it honestly just, again, it wasn't that. I feel like I'm always hopeful because I have such a forgiving spirit. I'm always willing to be open to listening to somebody and I'm not going to try to be like, well, you did this, or I still don't believe that. I'm just like, I'm going to take it for what it is. I'm going to take what you're saying and accept it and move forward.

What was the thing that you brought up at reunion when you were like, forgive people how you want to be forgiven? Yeah, forgive how you want to be forgiven. And then like Olivia immediately knew that you were talking about something. She got mad at that. Do you regret saying that? Or do you feel like things are just you know i can't you know like it it almost sounds like on some ways you're just trying to find different ways to defend yourself i yeah i mean i i felt like i've been on the defense

the entire year um thereafter as the as the show started airing, I felt like I was trying to defend myself, but I also was just trying to stay disengaged. Yeah, but what was your reason for bringing that up? The reason for bringing that up, I do regret it. Honestly, I never wanted to stoop to any level. I felt like I was pushed to say it. And as you know, we're sitting there for eight hours. There is a whole conversation to be had. And I'm sitting there and I kind of sitting there for eight hours like there's a whole conversation to be had and you know i'm sitting there and and i i kind of sat there for about two minutes and they're like well go ahead and say it say it say it i feel like the real housewives that was that was olivia saying that to you yeah olivia and then oh for i mean they're like even if it was 15 seconds yeah it was i mean i just sat there and i was like, I don't know. I don't want to. Name it.

Name it. Name it. Say it. But yeah, and then, you know, Andy's sitting there staring at me and that's very intimidating. Craig is sitting next to me. He's like, Taylor, just say it. Well, that's kind of fucked. Just say it.

And I was like. So you got basically dared into saying it. The face that I had after I came out with the whole Thomas thing, like a ha ha ha, bitch, I got you. That was not my face. That was not the face that I had. I was, again, very shut down that entire day. I didn't even want to be there filming. I was like, I don't want to go to reunion i can't do this i'm like i'm a very broken human i'm going through one of the worst moments of my life while also getting hate mail throughout this entire season i mean i've had people saying karma's a bitch isn't it like hurtful hurtful things like i didn't even want to be there sorry i don't want i don't really want to get emotional

at all but um yeah i didn't even want to be. And so like for that to come out and we've like you also lied to a friend like you've made mistakes we all have we've all lied to a friend and that's what i was trying to get out it was like can we not like can you not have some sort of grace for me like i lied to you you also lied to katherine like that's what i was just trying to compare. And instead it was like flip reverse. Like I'm a bad friend all over again. And so, you know, you weren't trying to like get back at her.

It was just more. Yeah. I mean, I get it. You got the world coming down on you and you're just like, holy shit. Am I the only one who's ever made a mistake in this room? Yeah.

You know, I feel that energy. Yeah. And we recognize on this show. I know. I get what you're getting at. Like even when Austin was a chef rather was uh talking about his drinking i mean like you know these shows are edited edited edited we know like facial expressions

from five minutes ago are used 10 minutes later right now chef was talking and he asked him about drinking you didn't see chef's mouth move but you heard yes we we're reality tv professionals yeah you get it so everyone listening they get it so uh you were upset about what what face they aired at that yeah because it was I mean then again you know it goes back to there she is again she's just trying to throw Olivia under the bus and she's a bad human she's a bad friend and that's not how I at all I wanted to go into reunion that's not the intentions that I had was to be like this ha ha ha I got you moment and I've just like been waiting to use it and I mean I've known about it for over a year. And it's like, I could have used it during the season and been like, Olivia. But it was like, I'm only human.

And I got to the end of my rope. And I was like, I have been absolutely annihilated. I've been crucified this entire season. And I was really hoping for some sort of grace in this moment. I think Austin said it. I just want to get things out. And whether we move in any direction, whether it's a good one or a bad one, I just want to be able to move. And that's kind of what I was hoping. I obviously want the latter. I want to be moving in a good direction with Olivia. But it was just like, can we just like, please put this to rest once and for all and move forward. forward like have a little bit of grace for what i've been going through and like i'm not trying to play victim here but it's like i like you understand what i'm going through and on top of

it i'm being absolutely annihilated on national television like is there any grace like for the friendship that we had that you could just go i'm going like i'm i'm breaking down and I'm going to be there for Taylor. Just, I mean, yeah. Olivia seems to be pretty steadfast in her feelings. Yes. She's a very strong-willed person. I said to Natalie last night,

but Olivia would be hard to argue with. She remains very calm when she's mad. And that's a deadly combination. She mentioned that you were the only person on earth that she told. And you kind of questioned that. Do you? I mean, I if I did something, you know, if I made a mistake, I probably the next day, you know, I'd be like, oh, my gosh, this is what just happened. Like if I slept with somebody, I'm not just like not telling people, you know, if it was so many years ago, I just I was like, I with somebody, I'm not just like not telling people, you know,

if it was so many years ago, I just, I was like, I don't think I'm the only person. Like at that point, I'd only known you for a few months. And I was like, I don't think that I'm the only person on earth. I was like, plus if I was, I mean, Thomas is going around telling everybody. Cause I mean, Madison already knew about it. She brought it up last year and you know, there's, there's people that clearly know about it. So I just, I was was i did not want to bring it up at all and i do regret that and i was i walked out just being like i really am upset with myself like i again i just don't know when to shut up and maybe i should have just when they're saying say it say i should have just said i'm not i'm not gonna say it knowing that you got baited i don't know to me how could they literally asked you to

say it yeah well i think because she hinted that she had something so i think everyone was like well yeah all she said at that point was hey like you've made mistakes as a friend before like you you you acknowledge you you were a bad friend to olivia yeah yeah i probably haven't like in in the whole season it probably doesn't look like, and I probably didn't because I, I would say there, I probably didn't acknowledge the fact that I was like, I'm a really shitty friend and I,

and I apologize for, for wronging you. And that being is because after the pheasant dinner and we're having this, you know, we're having these conversations via text. I kind of thought that Olivia and I were on good terms. I'm like, okay, she's texting me, asking me like, what am I going to wear to the scene? She's excited to come up to the lake house. I mean, obviously this was all before her brother's passing. And then obviously that,

you know, that all happened. And that was like a shock. I, you know, immediately driving over to her house, like, this can't be real. It's not, it's not real. It's not real. I'm calling everybody, like asking if they've heard from her. And then I show up to her house. And it was from that point, I was like, this is, this is all dumb. I was like, what just happened to you? This reality world and the, and the cameras and everything? I was like, I'm following your lead on everything because I could not imagine continuing with this, like with filming. But she found that to be kind of like therapeutic for her, which, you know, there is no right or wrong way to grieve. And I'm glad that she was able to like continue on because

it was important to do so. Keep yourself busy. but I was just was like trying to follow her lead and it felt like our friendship kind of like being there for her um and our you know our text conversations and our phone conversations it just felt like we were able to kind of put everything aside and then move forward with our friendship and she's coming up to the lake and she's texting me pictures of what she's gonna wear and i can't wait to be there i'm so excited what are you gonna wear for dinner the guy like going up to the mountain with the guys is gonna be so much fun and then we get to the lake and that'll happen she's texting you this oh yeah this is after she knows about you and austin and i and i, in our text messages, I was like profusely apologizing. I'm so sorry again.

I don't know how to navigate all this with cameras in my face. I want to be honest with you, not the world. But again, that's my job. That's what I signed up for. So here I am. I'm having to reap the benefits here or reap the percussions. Reap what you sow. Reap what you sow. Reap what you sow.

Yeah. Thank you. I was like, I don't know. Something like that. You've had to take your beating. But it's just, it was very confusing because then we get up to the lake and it was a whole different narrative. And then she leaves and then she's texting me saying, please come up.

I'm so sorry how that went down i'm so sorry please come up to the come up to chefs we all want you here i want you here taylor i want you here and i'm bawling my eyes out with my family and i'm like i don't know what's going on i thought that like i thought olivia and i were in a good place and then she just accused me of sleeping with him and And I'm utterly confused. So she was like begging you to come and hang out with the group. And then you get there and then it's like, it was like a setup? I walked in there and I felt like there was some tension.

And I was a little confused. Yeah, we were filming. So they were trying to convince you to come to film? No. I mean, Olivia had been texting me, please come up this everybody wants you here i want you here nick this was when shep said to her he didn't feel bad for cheating on her yes oh that was that was the time and now i'm like i shouldn't have even gone up there but i mean yeah i um yeah i i ended up going up there because shep had even called and he's like, this is outrageous.

You like you should be up here. Like I invited you up here. And I was like, I don't know what to do, but I feel completely isolated. And and I'm I'm crying. My mom is confused. My parents are like, what just happened? Like we just had a great conversation. It was the four of my mom, my dad, me and Olivia had a great conversation. Every like we're sharing laughter. My like we're we're just we're in a good space. And everything went south when we went down to the dock. And that's where I was just like, what is happening? And then I get up to the cabin and like Shep's house.

And it was I could feel some tension, but I was like, I thought she wanted me here. And then watching it back it was like oh i put her into a bad mood but then why were you texting me that you wanted me up there i just it was it was very confusing so like i didn't know do you think that was her friendship really doing her job almost you are like we're producers like texting her get tay Taylor to come or because you're right it doesn't make sense after Olivia and I parted at my house um I was not supposed to go up to the house but Shep like was like this is outrageous you are coming up here like this was the plan what happened I thought you and Olivia were supposed to have a good conversation what the hell is going on like you get your ass up here

we're supposed to be having a good time and I was like I don on? You get your ass up here. We're supposed to be having a good time. And I was like, I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. Because I'm at full confusion at this point. There's been so many different things going on, different avenues with different cast members. And I felt like, again, I just was drowning the entire time. I don't know what to do. So I'm like, I go up there and I was excited because I'm like, OK, cool. Olivia still said that, like, she wants me there. I'm glad to be there. I know that I'm on good terms with the guys.

So I'm excited to be up there. Also, Shep's Mountain House is like one of my happy places, too. It's 30, 45 minutes from our lake house. And so I was excited to be up there. And then watching it back, I was like, oh, my gosh, like that. I didn't know that I was making her uncomfortable. And, you know, the Olivia that you saw coming to my rescue after Shep said what he said, that's the friendship that I thought that we had because we were we had this texting friendship

that was like, I am here for you. We're on the same page. I got your back. Like, don't worry about anything. Don't worry about the scene. We're going to have a conversation and then everything's going to be going back to normal. And that was just what I thought our relationship was. And so I was just very confused when things would start to unravel. And I was this is not I'm just confused like I have no idea what to think do you think there is hope for you and Olivia I will always have that hope I mean Olivia is she really is a genuine and kind soul like that's why we connected so easily we bonded really quickly and I. I still remember the time that

we did. I was on Shep's back porch and we just sat there. I was like, I don't bond with people at this age, really. I have my friends. I have my friend group, but we were able to bond so quickly. I know her heart. I really am hopeful that like we can get on the same page. I feel like we've just never been on the same page. And it really does hurt that she still believes like that it was like an ongoing thing or that I was going behind her back while also telling her that she should be giving it a shot with Austin. And then why do you think she thinks she's so convinced? I honestly think that she always thought that austin like and i had a thing for each other and i could kind of feel it like even while shep and i were dating

i could feel that but i was like you have to understand that austin is not like he's a very flirty personality but i was like he's not that like we don't have any like kind of connection and you know in my brokenness I tested that and I was like okay this is not real like we do not have a connection whatsoever but I mean that's probably why she she thought that I don't know but it really it does it sucks and it hurts that like that still is the narrative and i'm like okay so if you believe that can we just like you can call me a shit friend and call me a liar or whatever but can we please just like move forward at some point let's assume you and olivia are never going to be able to mend fences um have you given much thought in terms to terms of what you learned from this experience in regards to

what happens with you olivia like how do you want to move forward as a friend to whoever you are friends with? Because it does, at least on the show, come across at times where when you are at your lowest, you know, whether it's drama going on with you and Shep or Austin or whatever is going on in your life, or austern or whatever is going on in your life that sometimes you have a habit of seeking out validation and attention from toxic places yes um which can be a liability as a friend because you know from time to time we're all you know we're going to go through some shit and we're going to go you know we're going to have a hard time and we're going to we're going to be low and when we're low we can't necessarily be these liabilities to the people around us and start forgetting about what it's like to be a friend. And just all of a sudden feel like I need that validation fix.

I need attention. I need it from someone. Do you recognize that? Is that a fair thing to say? And yeah, how do you want to address that going forward? No, that's a very fair assessment. I definitely was in that place where, again, I was like, I know where I need to ground myself. I know where I need to be. I kept saying these things where I knew I needed to be, but I just never did or took the steps to be there or

get there. And so it was really tough trying to get to that point without like the help and guidance of maybe like an outsider. So like a therapist, and I never really believed in like therapy. I was like, I can fix myself. I got this. And it wasn't until after my brother's passing, I was like, I need to talk to somebody. So I did. I actually am in therapy sessions with his therapist. So somebody that used to talk to my brother. So it's really special that she can kind of like understand a little bit about my family or stuff like that. But yeah, she was she was like, you definitely were going through a time where you just were seeking validation in all the wrong places. And you were trying to find like, what's going to make you happy?

What's the easy fix? And whether that was partying or, you know, kissing my ex's best friend, sending an unsolicited photo to Whitney. I was doing it all in the wrong ways. And I 100% see that. And, you know, I take accountability and I'm hoping to like better myself and move forward. And so. Good for you. Yeah. Therapy has been, it's been good. I'm still a work in progress. No doubt. I will fall for sure. I will fall again. We're all human. What's one, what's one thing you've learned about yourself through therapy? Um, that? That I probably am a people pleaser.

I need to be a little bit more just direct. I don't ever want to step on people's toes. I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. I don't want to be a nuisance to anyone's life. So I just try to tiptoe around. I'm a people pleaser. And so I think, too, Olivia said that she put it well, I cast my net wide with people. And I do I do want to be friends with everybody. I have my close circle, but then I want to be friends with everyone. I can make some promises and then I don't end up falling through and then I feel bad about it. And, you know, I just I never want to hurt anyone's feelings. And so like just trying to be a little bit more direct and like what I want in my life and maybe trying to like cast that net a little bit more shallow. Yeah. Well, I really appreciate you sharing that. Well, Olivia, we're going to lay off you for a second and we have a caller calling in to ask for some relationship advice.

And then when we get done with that, we'll keep it light. Maybe learn a little bit more about your current relationship and boyfriend, see how that's going. And then we'll wrap it up. Yeah. Thank you. So are we down to give some relationship advice to someone else? Oh boy. All right. I think I'm ready. This is all through... I might not be the best. This is all through we've all made our own mistakes. Yeah. As you've acknowledged. And we offer advice through things we've learned, whether it was through successes and often our failures. So no pressure.

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We are debating accepting an anonymous donation to go on a bachelorette party. Okay. What do you mean by anonymous? And yeah, like what's going on? Give us the backstory. Yeah, we can give you the backstory. It's a lengthy one a little bit, but I'll be concise as possible. So our friend is getting married this year and we were planning the bachelorette party for it. So there's a good chunk of girls, like less than 15, but more than 10 going on it essentially. Back in like november i guess the maid of honor and the bride picked an airbnb that they were both you know happy with

the bride was happy with and accepted but they didn't tell anybody that they booked an airbnb so we had no idea and we had never discussed any sort of budget nothing at all i guess her reasoning was we're still figuring out who's coming and who can make it before we ask people about, you know, if it's okay. So come January, we're like, hey, what's going on with the bachelorette party? We haven't talked about flights or anything. It's coming up in a few months. Like we should probably start planning.

She's like, oh yeah, we have an Airbnb booked. But it's going to be like 415 dollars per person so pretty like more than we want to spend obviously for a three-day trip to including the flight yeah and then also the flights are it's a busy travel weekend that's not including flights it's a busy travel weekend so flights are probably going to be around 450 per person. We're traveling from the middle of the country to one of the coasts to go to the bachelor party. Gotcha. And this is just out of budget. It's just out of budget. Yeah. We didn't like discuss any sort of budget. And so I think,

and like previously the ones that I've been on, we've had a baseline discussion of where we're comfortable at and what we're good with. And so when she told us the price and she didn't tell everybody in the group, the price, she had only told the three of us the price because she hadn't gotten to talking to everybody yet. Because we started asking. The three of you is you two in the maid of honor or. So it's the two of us.

And then we have one other friend that are uncomfortable with the prices. Okay. The maid of honor is planning it. And then the rest of the group, I guess is essentially good with the prices. Okay. The maid of honor is planning it, and then the rest of the group, I guess, is essentially good with the price. Okay. So there's three of you who are uncomfortable with the price. Yes.

Who now knows that the three of you are uncomfortable with the price? Yeah. From our understanding, it is just the maid of honor and the bride knows, but we don't know who the bride has told. Okay. Supposedly, it's being kept private. Yes. But we do not know who the bride has told okay supposedly it's being kept private yeah so we do

not know anything for certain where does this anonymous donation come in so the anonymous donation comes into play because actually something i suggested because my i had been on a trip previously where there was an airbnb that the host wanted to have and it was out of the budget for the people who were invited and the host was like this is where I want to stay I'm going to put x amount of dollars down and everybody else is going to pay this amount which is the budget that had been determined so I put it out there I was like if it's really this big of a deal this is just an idea we don't have to take, but maybe we could find a way to supplement some of the cost of the Airbnb if that's what's really important to the bride.

It was just an idea that was thrown out there. And so now we don't know who the anonymous donor is. We have our suspicions, but we have just been told that everyone else has supposedly agreed to this one price and the three of us agreed to a price that was still a little higher than the budget we had told them we were comfortable with um and that there's an anonymous donor that's going to cover the difference between the three of us paying the lower amount and the amount that they actually need to be able to and the anonymous donors donors, either my guess, the husband of the bride, the parents of the bride, or the bride? The husband of the main honor is what kind of we're thinking at this point. Yeah.

So what's the problem? I feel really frustrated right now because I think that there should have been a conversation about budgets ahead of time. And when we came to them, we unfortunately got put in this position where we didn't know about all of this planning. Then we were asked to help start planning. And then we, the three of us kind of had to like be this bad guy with the bride and be like, we're uncomfortable with this. of had to like be this bad guy with the bride and be like, we're uncomfortable with this. And then it turned into this whole situation where the bride left here crying and we were trying to lead with love and have a really gentle conversation, but also be honest about the fact that this is stretching us beyond our means.

And now there's just this really awkward, uncomfortable, like almost embarrassing situation that we're in because i'm just the the planning process did not go in the order that you want every other bridal party i've ever been a part of has sure done it i think the other thing too is that we had a convert so the bride came over and she we basically had a conversation with her and was like we we love you we want to attend before there was any offer of the anonymous donation, the anonymous donation came in yesterday. So that's when that happened. Last week, we had a conversation with the bride saying, hey, we love you.

We want to attend your bachelorette party. But where the price is at right now, like we aren't going to be able to do that. Like there's other bachelorette parties this year. Lots of other stuff going on in our personal lives. Like I'm also planning my own wedding. Yeah, like there's just other stuff going on in lives that it's like, do I want to spend that for one weekend for you? So essentially, we told her we love her and we want to go.

We want to do everything we can to go, but we're not comfortable with this price point. Can we look at other options? We start showing her other options and conversation ends in tears. She ends up leaving. showing her other options and conversation ends in tears. She ends up leaving. So it to us, from our perspective, it was,

I want this Airbnb more than I want to be like more than I care about our friendship of you coming essentially is how it felt in the conversation. Okay. Fair. I don't see it that way based off what I'm hearing. I mean, you listen and like it's, Oh, it's totally okay for people to say, Hey, out of my budget i can't afford this right i get money is a very sensitive

topic i get that i think that's the thing we need to remember is that this is just sensitive all the way around it's your friend's wedding it you know and and if you've heard me talk about weddings you've heard me say if it's your've heard me say, if it's your wedding, it's your fucking wedding and nothing, you know, at the end of the day, you know, when we're planning our wedding, you know, now I and I are prioritizing her and I and what we want. And we're not putting much thought into really anyone else. And it's kind of like, this is what we want to do. This is what's important to us. We'd love you to be a part of it. If you can't, no problem. If you can, amazing. But we're not every day sitting down and be like, all right, well, let's talk

about Cole. Cole's not his cousin. He's not sitting in the room right now. But because, yeah, if you're going to have a wedding with 80, 50, 150 people, I don't know. Everyone has different needs. If people are going to have to travel, you can't sit there and consider everyone's budget. And it's your friend's wedding. And she has the right to have the best right party she wants to have. And she has the right to book whatever Airbnb. I'm not saying she handled it perfectly. That's obvious. And certainly she didn't handle it the way maybe other friends did, made it a little easier but it's still her wedding you know what i'm saying and so yeah right now i get where you guys are coming from because now you feel like all right well there's like 12 to 15

other women only three of us can't afford it and now it's like we're the bad guys because you know or or we're the beggars who have to get a donation from someone. I get where you're coming from, but I feel like you could set your pride aside, take the donation, go to the bachelorette party, have a ball and just let it go. You know, if someone is willing to do this, that means they can afford it. And they also want you there. And they want you there. So rather than seeing it as charity, see it as an act of love

where they do like for because you're like, hey, how it feels to us is, well, this Airbnb is more important than our friendship. No, it's it's her wedding. She's thinking about what she wants. She's expecting you guys to be there, you know, and granted, that's her mistake. She didn't sit there and consider budgets and things like that. She just assumed you'd all show up. But she wasn't sitting there going, well, if I book this Airbnb, who can actually make it? Well, I don't know if so-and-so and so-and-so can make it. Well, fuck them. I still would rather go to the Airbnb. I don't know your friend. I don't know anything about her. And I'm almost willing to bet a lot of money that wasn't her thought process. Certainly. Right. So hopefully not. Yeah, hopefully not.

But she's your friend. But I'm guessing no. But right now, you guys feel, I'm guessing, I don't want to put words in your mouth, a little uncomfy with the idea that you would have to accept this quote unquote donation. And are you guys lying about being able to afford this? Well, we're not lying to the... I'm not lying. Okay.

I literally told the bride i said like i i run my own business i told the bride i said i quite literally paid myself less than forty thousand dollars last year as a like that that and i have my own wedding i'm working on planning two other bachelorette parties that i I have friends hoping for me to attend this year. And not that that, like, I get that it's the bride's day and that's fine, but where I was frustrated and now feel uncomfortable is that they booked this place with the assumption that we were just going to be, yes, like, here's all my money money and there was no consideration ahead of time of okay we're booking this place and the people responsible for it have no idea what they're going to be asked to cover

until now it's like kind of too late it's definitely just up against the wall and it's just frustrating yeah it was definitely a little inconsiderate of your friend for sure but i can promise you that nally and i have never have not considered most of the people we are inviting to our wedding. We have only really considered us. It's our wedding. Well, you're paying for the wedding though. Yeah.

Yeah. That's true. Yeah. So there's a bachelorette party. Like they're depending on the three of us being there to be able to pay for those three. That's fair. I'm not saying the bride handled it perfectly.

I'm just saying, you know, it is her wedding. Personally. I have a hard time just like letting things go without like having some sort of resolve. Okay. And like,

I feel like I would like to have some sort of conversation with the bride to just be like, I love you so much, but this was very frustrating. And I would like some sort of like recognition of how she made us feel. And I just like, don't know if it's like worth it to have that conversation beforehand or at all. I don't know. I don't think it's worth it. Look, what's important to you? I, you know, I guess, what are you trying to accomplish here?

Are you, are you looking for peace and have fun on this bachelorette party? Or are you looking to be validated and have your pent up frustration when we got there well you're gonna have to let it go yeah yeah and lie about the anonymous donation and yeah no one knows about everybody else like they're paying this amount having no idea that we're like this well they can afford it you know and again that's why i said unless unless you're lying about it you know and pretending to be cheap for the sake of, you know, stubbornness, which I don't think that you are, all you really need is a little humility in the sense that, hey, I can at in my adult life. There have been moments where I've been surrounded by friends that had more income and more extra cash than I had. And yeah, I didn't like that feeling. And I didn't like being like, yeah, sorry guys, I can't afford that. I'm not going to go or, you know, I don't know what you want. And sometimes I had to quote unquote,

accept charity. Hey, we got it, Nick, or whatever. Or sometimes I had to just not go. And that does suck. But I think we need to think about the big picture here. And the big picture is, as there is a solution in place for you two to go to this bachelorette party closer to the budget that you're comfortable with and to celebrate the bride. And that's kind of what it's all about. And maybe down the road and fine, you could bring it up,

but I don't know. You're planning a wedding. I'm sure there's a million things going on, and I'm guessing at some point you aren't going to consider a certain person's feelings, and they might be upset with you. It's possible. Potentially. Yeah.

I just, is it really, do you really want to die on this hill, so to speak? Is it, you know, I guess that's my question. I just, I don't feel like we have a choice really at this point. Like we've said we could do the other amount and then now we just like have this and we're like, okay, well, I guess that's what we're doing. Listen, I get it. I get your frustration. She picks the place you can't afford and your only option to go is to accept a charity that you don't want to accept and then hope that this remains a secret because if not you guys feel like

you're going to be like attacked by everyone else who had to pay more yada yada yada but i i don't think this needs to be that big of a deal you know yeah i really yeah it's just what's happening right now so that's why we were like, let's do it. Nick has to say about this. We were literally speculating. We were like, what would Nick say? Yeah. Well, did you guess right or wrong?

We guessed pretty. I feel like we knew you would see both sides because you always are pretty good at that. I see your side, but yeah, big picture wise, I'm going to always side with the bride. It's her wedding, so to speak. And it's not to say that she couldn't have been more thoughtful and more considerate. That's what I'm hearing right now. You want, you want to know that you're right. You know, I just want some acknowledgement that it was kind of fucked up.

Sure. I hear you. Yeah, I guess. And then my question is how, how important is that? Are you willing to get that if it affects your friend's bachelorette party? What would you rather have her happiness and her ego at this point? Yeah. Would you rather have her have great memories of a bachelorette party or would you rather have the lasting memory of her bachelorette party? This drama with the two of you? No, I want it to be gone before we get there,

which is why I want to like figure out how to just that that's not what yeah yeah not go you know what maybe gone isn't the choice because most likely it's not going to be resolved before you're going to have to just swallow your pride right yeah and go and maybe down the line after the wedding be like it just kind of bothered me uh and then if you think it's from this guy you know when you have a little extra cash down the road you can pay it forward or pay it back when your business takes off and you're paying yourself four hundred thousand dollars a year rather than 40. But yeah I just I get your frustrations but do you want to be right or do you want to be happy?

but do you want to be right or do you want to be happy happy yeah i think it is a like you just put your ego aside except the you know except the person who's anonymously donating and maybe pull her aside at one point just be like i thank you for doing that like i'm really glad that we can be here and celebrate you and that will kind of put all the drama aside and then later on down the road you can be if you want to, you can be like, I mean, honestly, I think that in the moment, it seems like it's really big. But once you guys get there

and everybody's having a good time, no one's going to be, that's going to be like the last thing on anyone's mind. And that's exactly it. It just feels so big right now. I feel like because we're just living in it. It's been happening every single day

that we've been like working it up so much to the point where we're like trying to see all the sides of it. So I think once we're there and having fun, it'll definitely be for the best. Yeah. And you haven't considered the alternative because I know you're like,

our friend handled it this way. The alternative is she fell in love with this Airbnb, considered your two's financial position. It's got Instagram worthy pics, I'm sure. Yeah. Well, she thought about it. Fell in love with- The Dover style Airbnb.

Oh yeah. There you go i would want it too i'm gonna be honest well we've been to it we've been to its house it's pretty cool um yeah but uh yeah she could have fell in love with this place and then been like oh well those two can't afford it and then throughout the and then got something else and then for the whole entire trip, you guys could have like, well, we could have been at the secret bad guys,

but like they couldn't afford it. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah. Had she considered your feelings? We had to be the bad guy. If we would have, if they would have included everybody from the beginning,

it wouldn't have ended up like this, but they just like assumed that people were capable of what they, and she did i think she was three months to fall in love without telling anyone else she was inconsiderate that's what it was she didn't consider it yeah you know she fell in love with it and she's like this is what i want and this is what we're gonna do and i'm just you know if there's one time to be inconsiderate it's your wedding also at the end of the day like she really wants you both there. That's why she offered to, you know,

have like an anonymous donator. And that was like, yeah, she really wants you guys there. She could have just said, Oh, I could find two other people or three other people or, or,

you know, everybody else can cover the cost. It's like, no, she made it a point. I would have been like, see you at the wedding, you know?

Yeah. She wants you guys there. I would just take it as like a, as like a thank you you know or or what mr adonis's daughter would probably just step up i just yeah i listen you're mad you're frustrated you feel like you didn't your feelings weren't considered i get it and and you have the right to feel the way you do but you you also, I think, need to let it go for the sake of peace. Because I don't think this is all that big of a deal.

And I think it feels a little bit bigger. And because you feel like you've almost been outed. And it's never fun to be like, I can't afford that. It's never fucking fun. It sucks. And so I empathize with you guys there. But I feel like it's a little heavy. It feels a little heavier than it actually is. And I think if you guys just go, like Taylor

said, have a ball, like this is, this will not be the lasting conversation at this. You know what I'm saying? Is this as big picture wise, not that big of a deal. Yeah. The practice of letting go. And the nice thing about it is she has no idea that we're actually getting this one. So she thinks we're staying at another one. So she'll be surprised once we get there there you go that'll be it'll be a good thing and you know yeah maybe you'll find a way to pay it forward or pay it back down the line it's definitely it's uh it's yeah um okay this is like separate aside from this conversation but i just have to tell you what i actually do um i'm actually a content creator and i just started a podcast this year i do make content with my little brother he has

he's obsessed with wrestling so i just recently actually met kathy kelly and i oh yeah oh i know you i listened to you on the vile files um we were backstage at friday night smackdown when they were uh here in in our town congratulations Do you want to plug your show? I do, but I'm like, Sarah's going to get back to them. But at this point, I mean, like, what's the, it's called Baker Banter. Okay. Yeah. I feel like it's worth it.

I think it's worth it. Worth it. Exactly. It's called Baker Banter and our podcast is called Baker's Bantering. Is it? Anywhere people listen to the podcast? Yeah. It's called Baker's Bantering. Is it anywhere where people listen to the podcast? Yeah. It's called Baker's bantering.

You can watch it on YouTube. You can listen on all the platforms where you can listen to podcasts. If you like wrestling, which I don't know if your audience overlaps with the wrestling audience, probably not a ton, but you know, we, we do also have like,

you know, hundreds of thousands of people listening to us. So, you know, we do, we do talk about wrestling a lot, but we talk about a lot of other stuff too and just like life as a family who has somebody with a intellectual disability

and growing up and what that looks like and my brother is hilarious he is one of a kind that's awesome all right well congratulations on the show uh go listen everyone and uh swallow your pride and go have a blast. Yeah, we will. We will. Thank you guys so much. All right. We thank you.

Thank you. We will want to. When is this bachelorette party? End of March. Yeah. All right. Perfect. We want an update.

We will let you know how it goes. All right. All right. Take care, ladies. We can send you the link to the Airbnb, too, if you want to see. Please. Actually, yeah. I want to see it. Send. Yeah, we'll send it to you guys. Thank you. Thank you. Take care, ladies. We can send you the link to the Airbnb, too, if you want to see it. Please. Actually, yeah. I want to see it.

Send. Yeah, we'll send it to you guys. Thank you. Thank you. Take care. Bye, y'all. Bye. I fucking love a messy bachelorette party drama.

Do you? It's like, guys do not ever deal with that shit, ever. They don't. I don't know what it is. I know. Y'all are lucky. We take everything to heart. We're like, did you see the way she said hi?

She just said hi. She didn't say hey. You have a boyfriend. I do. How's that going? It's going really great. Remind the audience who he is. Gaston from Beauty and the Beast.

Yes. Gaston. Gaston. Yes. I thought it was Gaston. Gaston. Gaston. No, and the Beast yes Gaston Gaston yes I thought it was Gaston like little stuff Gaston no he's from New York so he's

he's from New York but now he's also he's also on Southern Hospitality he made a little tiny cameo for in a picture actually

his roommate who's one of my best friends TJ is on Southern Hospitality and they've been living together he kind of took TJ in as TJ was he was looking for roommate who's one of my best friends tj is on southern hospitality and they've been living together he he kind of took tj in as tj was was he was looking for a place to live and he had an extra bedroom so he was like come with me and it's been going really well so they love living together

and so that's kind of how i got introduced to him how long you guys been dating for about four or five months okay how's it going going really great best and worst thing well not worse but thing you love thing you love the most and thing that you mean because four months yeah still pretty new oh yeah in vile false terms we tell a lot of people you still don't know that each other oh absolutely we're definitely still learning each other's quirks but um i just love how he for the longest time would just listen to me and then i finally was like do you have any response like or do you just like do you not care and finally was like do you have any response like or do you just like do you not care and he's like oh I have a lot of things to say I just listen to you

because I'm letting you get all these things out he's like do you want to hear my opinion I'm like do I want to hear your opinion and so when he finally was was actually like talking to me not just as boyfriend girlfriend but as like a friend and uh like a comrade i was like i really appreciate you like you actually care about me you care about you're not just like listening to your girlfriend like you're listening but you have things to say but you're trying to respect my like my my space of being open and um so that's what i think i love the most about him and then we're still learning each other's quirks he gets really quiet when he's tired so and i don't like that i'm like are you mad at me he's like no i'm just really tired i'm

like are you sure can i do it and he's like stop asking me if i'm mad at you i'm just tired what's uh maybe and maybe that's it but what's something that you appreciate about this relationship that you didn't have with your relationship with Shep? I think it goes back to that kind of just like the really caring, like listening and caring and actually like being invested in my life, even if it seems silly or, you know, I overthink everything. And he's like, stop overthinking. And Shep would kind of, I never really had like these deep conversations with Shep where I was like, I'm going through something and like, I really need your advice on this. Like,

what do you think? He would just be like, I don't get it. What are you talking about? Just, it doesn't matter. Like he was just inconvenienced with anything. I don't really care.

He doesn't like drama. He doesn't. I'm like, it's funny that you don't like drama yet. Your whole job in life is drama. Have you, he loves drama. Secretly.

Yeah. Have you left pleased more than five times yes okay good he's a great lover great great we love to hear that thank god yes very happy thank god that was that that was an interesting that was not an intentional jab. He was like, stop saying that. I was like, I'm not trying to like jab at you. I'm not. I was like, I was asked a question and I'm going to answer it. And he's like, I don't know.

It's like everyone's like, they're all finicky. Like, and I don't know how to really get that. My tongue get tired. I don't know. You know, like he was, he wasn't helping himself in that situation. I mean, I was, he was like, stop telling people I'm bad. I was like, I never said you're bad. I just said that. I mean, it doesn't mean that he was like stop telling people i'm bad i was like i never said you're bad i just said that i i mean it doesn't mean that i was like i hated every second yeah

i was like no i still had a great it just doesn't mean that i was fully satisfied but you know it doesn't mean that i was hating my life yeah i don't know shep we dm'd a few times you we were trying to figure out a time to him to come on but he does not come across necessarily and I could be wrong as the most generous attentive lover there's hope yeah

I mean there's hope like he I don't know it's very odd it kind of comes across as the guy who like kind of gets off and goes did you come you know like he does give off that vibe. He doesn't even ask that. It's like after you give him a blowjob, he's like, all right, did you come too? It's like, well, that's not how it works.

Shep, if you're listening, I love you. No, I do too. I do too. I mean, it's no shade at all. He's just, I think it goes back to that. Like it's exciting for him, like when he's doing something wrong or bad. And he really does. And he's putting his pride aside and he really is trying to better himself. And he's wanting to make changes for the first time ever. Yeah, I mean, it's been a while since the reunion. Where do you think he's actually in costa rica right now doing a retreat an ayahuasca retreat so he had been kind of doing some research about it and you have to like take all these precautions

and like be sober you can't have sex you can't eat this like a month before going down so he was like i really am in search for something and of course we're like we know what that void is that you're looking to fill like i know where to fill it but like i'm not ever going to be the type of person to like shove anything down your throat or in your face or like i'm just i'm so happy to hear that he's open for the first time ever in his life that he's sitting there going i'm wanting and willing and ready to make changes and that's awesome i'm really happy for him so there's a buffalo bills player i forget his name but uh recently talked about hear me out we're talking football um that he struggled with alcoholism

and uh ayahuasca he had some sort of journey awakening and uh it's it's helped yeah it's really changed is it jordan poyer yes thank you ali okay ali jordan poyer i was gonna say it's over the p but um so yeah maybe you know at least he is trying exactly that's step one is to recognize and and see yeah what he can do to fix it. For the longest time, he just was like, you know, he would always make the dad joke, change? I don't want to change. I like what I'm wearing. And you're like, you just, you need to make changes in your life. And he's like, I never want to change.

Like, it never gets old. And, you know, he just was so set in his ways. And I was like, all right, well, you know, he's in his 40s. You can't teach an old dog new tricks. I'm just, you know, I accept him for who he is. He's a wild child, but he has these very raw and real moments. And that's the moments that I saw. And those are the moments and the person that I fell in love with. But to see him like recognizing that he needs to make changes. I'm like, yes, there's a lot more to life than just like partying and filling that void with you know the next best thing and is your boyfriend comfortable with your friendship with ship um i think he's understanding of it you know obviously i'm not i'm not we we used to talk a lot about like the show and especially when it was first airing and i was doing watch what happens he would call to check in how did it go oh you went to drinks with, okay, that's, that's good. That's a good

sign. That's awesome. You know, how was Jax? How was, you know, it was like all these different questions and I'm having this conversation with my boyfriend sitting right next to me. And I was like, does that, I'm really sorry if that bothers you. I know we're talking about work, but like, I know it's my ex. And I was like, I hope you can understand that we have like a friendship and it's nothing more than that. And it never will be like, I can promise you. And he was like, no, it doesn't bother me. And then it wasn't until at BravoCon when Shep kind of like overstepped his boundaries. And, you know, like he admitted, he was like, I was blackout the entire weekend. And I don't remember coming up to you and like smacking you on the ass

and so that's what kind of like led into this whole thing like I need to make changes and so anyways but yeah Gaston uh he was like that was not cool like you your ex-boyfriend just came up to you smacked you on the ass and you just kind of sat there dumbfounded like uh and I was like well yeah because I am I was like my ex is meeting my boyfriend for the first time and he just I mean I kind of dodged it it wasn't like a full-on I kind of dodged it I was like hi I was like this is Gaston by the way and he just kind of stared at him like chef was like hey man you know he's kind of you know had a few drinks whatever but Gaston was like yeah I just saw that like not cool bro and so that's kind of where I was like I know that you're uncomfortable with this and I was like I

know that we talk about work a lot but I was like I want you to know that there's like he's never like trying to reach out to like slither his way back in nevertheless if Gaston said to you Taylor I get it um I trust that you're never going to want to get back together. But Shep just gives me just vibes that I don't feel comfortable with. Because Shep does come across as a guy who doesn't like to be told what to do. Yeah. Downplays everything to the point of annoyance. And he doesn't come across as a guy who necessarily respects boundaries a ton yeah i can

and if your boyfriend i guess don said hey listen i just i'm just not comfortable with this friendship and i need i need you to respect that what do you think you would do i would respect that yeah i mean it would be it would be unfortunate in the sense that I would never want, and I don't think that Shep would feel this way or have this persona where he's like, aha, I finally got under his skin. I'm the alpha here. But I'm almost like, there's times where I talk to my family or my friends. I'm like, he did what he did. And he's trying to claim his territory, Taylor. He's's like i was here first i want you to know that and it's like i'm like that's not yeah there's a lot of people who like break up with people i don't want to be with you

but i don't want you to be with anyone else right and i don't you know and like i said before you you and shep on this past season seem both seem to do that that kind of like yeah i don't want to be with you but i want to know that that kind of like yeah i don't want to be with you but i want to know that you still pine right you know yeah and we definitely did did a lot of that and i think i don't know if it's an excuse but genuinely shep like wants to be friends with everybody but i think that there is this like different level of friendship that we have um yeah even like when jt was like i love you And then and then Shep walks up and says, come here. Yeah, please. You know, he just has this way of communicating to you in a way that I'm not saying it's Machiavellian in nature, but he's no dummy. Right. You know, and he knows how to maneuver with people so naturally that like he doesn't have to think about it. He doesn't have to be like, right. How do I get Taylor way it's just he just kind of does he just knows how to make people feel a little bit under his spell he knows how to like invoke his power it's it's a skill set he has it is and he kind of does it in

a way that's like i mean no harm yeah like i'm not i'm not yeah it's all good it's all chill everything's fine but yeah no i would definitely that. And like we have we've had conversations like, hey, it does make me feel comfortable, uncomfortable that you're like that you do that you guys talk a lot. And it's about work. I think that's what fascinates at least me and so many of the fans of bravo is to figure out what what is work right the show and what is your lives and what's the overlap you know but yeah so i mean i had that conversation with shep i was like i hope like when we're talking about work like no more than that like don't call to just like check in or um this was you know a while ago that we had this and so like it strictly is like obviously i know about his journey with the ayahuasca stuff because he wanted to tell me about that um you know before reunion and stuff so uh you know i wish him the best and and like he really is he's a good guy despite what people have seen i i've had those moments where i go i

understand what you're saying and like what you see. And like, that is a part of who Shep is, but there's also this whole other side to him. That's just like so raw and real and, and trustworthy. I mean, he comes from a great family.

He's got friends from childhood that just can vouch for him time and time and time again. So at the end of the day, like he really is a good person and I'm happy that he's making changes in his life. Well, I think that's a great place to end it. Taylor,

it's been a real pleasure. Thank you guys for having me. Thanks so much. I'm so excited for you guys. Thank you. We really wish you nothing but the best. And hopefully next season isn't as hellish as these past two seasons and hopefully you know more than anything congratulations on getting into therapy and

doing the work and um i wish you and we wish you nothing but the best and hopefully someday you and olivia can mend some fences absolutely uh if you could say anything to olivia right now what would you say to her maybe we'll close on there if she's listening yeah I really do hope to you know just be able to see eye to eye get on the same page and just have a real conversation not on camera really just want to have like a coffee chat like the the conversations that we used to have not with the world but just with each other well thank you guys for listening. We thank Taylor once again. Don't forget to send those questions at asknickatthevilefiles.com

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