The Viall Files - E70 Hungover with Grocery Store Joe

Episode Date: December 18, 2019

Grocery Store Joe joins us for his first time on The Viall Files! He talks about being a creature of habit, his dating experience before meeting Kendall, and how he ended up on the trading floor of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange. Sometimes you just gotta make a move! Be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode. THANKS TO OUR SPONSORS: ATHLETIC GREENS: https://athleticgreens.com/viall NOOM: https://www.noom.com/viall CEREAL SCHOOL: https://thecerealschool.com CODE: VIALL JADE BLACK: https://www.jadeblack.co CODE: VIALL-10 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

what is going on everybody happy wednesday welcome to another episode of the vile files uh where are we we're in the lulls of december are we not is it december fuck i don't know i live in la it's a real thing being in warm weather growing up in cold weather is it you miss it i feel like you would be happy you weren't i miss it and sometimes i'm not happy it's that you just literally don't know like what month it is yeah or the season it's like so much of my life was predicated on like the season's changing and climate changing and you would just feel like it's september and then you feel like it's you know november yeah you'd feel when march and april would roll around or you'd feel july

june and july now it's just like i don't know you wake up you're like i don't know yeah uh anyways uh hope everyone's having a great day great episode today grocery store joe grocery store joe uh rochelle has a bit of a you know female boner going on this episode you have a crush on you joe you were you were early joe stan i was i even wrote a tweet about him that made it onto the yeah back in the day while i was watching you were one of the people who fed into the totally joe twitter anomaly yes and they showed my tweet at the uh yeah on the screen it was just like some meme but i made it about uh grocery store one i remember seeing one and i really chuckled uh is that uh something about it was

referring to grocery store joe and it was we know uh two things about becca and one is that she's blind because she sent home uh joe it was so hard for us as audience members to understand but i guess if you were there he was really awkward when When you hear Joe talk about it in this episode, he shed some light on why he truly just had to go. Yes. There was really no option. There was no other option. It doesn't matter what you look like,

if you're that weird, chicks won't dig you. Yeah, I guess so. You were at the comedy store this week. I was at the comedy store. week i was at the comedy store uh did a little bit of stand-up not really yeah you did not i mean that's so cool that's like a bucket list thing yeah it was um it was a really neat experience uh i think it's gonna come out hopefully in january david spade has a great new show called lights out and he's doing this kind

of secret uh secret standup, if you will. And he feeds you jokes in your ear and you kind of just repeat whatever he says, not knowing what the jokes will be. He's a big Bachelor fan. He is. And Courtney Cox, turns out she's a big Bachelor fan. Oh.

I got to meet Courtney because she was also feeding me jokes. She was very nice and gracious. That sounds so scary. When I got to meet her, she's like, oh my God, I feel like I know you. And I'm like, oh my God, same. And I immediately almost said pivot. But I was like, I'll just keep it.

Good job. I'll just, I'll act like. Good job. I'll act like I just doesn't totally blow my mind. That's a good call. She was very nice. And as I'm waiting, I, in the, about to go on stage, in preparation for going on

and doing some stand-up. I was YouTubing some of my favorite comedy acts. I don't know why because I was just being fed jokes. But I was just trying to get in the element. Yeah, you got to.

So one of my favorites, Bill Burr. I'm a big fan of Bill. And he was performing that night at the Comedy Store. Later that night? I mean, the Comedy store has all these rooms. There's all these rooms.

And so he's just floating around backstage. I'm like, oh my God, that's a little burn. And I'm like, ugh. And then he walks in and looks right at me. And he goes, hey, how's it going? Puts his hand out to shake my hand. And I'm like, hey, how's it going? I'm like a big fan,

you know? And like, he was chill and cool. And he just kind of kept walking, you know, he didn't like stick around to have a conversation. I'm thinking to myself, holy shit,

does Bill Burr know who I am? And I'm like, I feel like he maybe does based off this interaction. Yeah, I bet he does. And Jared came in because Jared and Ashley came to support this little stand-up bit. Jared's also a big Bill Burr fan.

And I'm like, Jared, it's Bill Burr. He came up to me and he said hi and shook my hand as if we're like best friends. And he's like, there's no way Bill watches that show. And I'm thinking to myself, I was kind of playing back that moment in my mind and I realized, I'm pretty sure Bill Burr doesn't know who I am.

And I think what happened was I probably got a little starstruck. And I'm pretty sure I was just eye fucking Bill where I was just in like in a glazed daze, which didn't feel like a long time, but it was probably like two or three hard seconds from just staring at him and my guess is bill just deflected having been in a situation like this where he's like i'm just gonna say hi to this guy yeah um and i'm gonna like make this awkward

situation not awkward by just shaking you know he's backstage he's some you know he's he's allowed to be back here yeah it's probably a safe split safe safe safe space so i'm pretty sure bill doesn't know i am and i'm pretty sure i was just just i fucking um and he just uh decided to be chill and cool but anyways it was yeah i don't know he has a wife i feel like he definitely knows who you are i don't know i don't know i hope so because the alternative is i made him feel really awkward. Oh, no. And he's just like, all right, just shake this guy's hand. Get out of here.

And hopefully he doesn't murder you. Oh, no. But it was a lot of fun. Well, we heard the news that Chris Bukowski and Katie broke up. What do you think about that? You know, they tried. Really? What do you mean?

I mean, you know, she came out without a ring. I mean, no one's mind's blown here. I wish them the best. I'm sure it's not great for them at this difficult period. And I always kind of say in these situations, everything I know about it was a very real relationship. So I'm going, I'm sure they're going through through real heartbreak right now um i don't know much i think it's more or less mutual doesn't mean it's not mutually hard for both of them yeah and um it was hard they weren't living in the same place

yeah i mean you know it's like it's tough because the you you meet in this kind of crazy world and you fast forward a relationship and then you get kind of crazy world and you fast forward a relationship and then you get out of that world and you have to decide, well, how much should we fast forward the rest of it? Okay, fine, we got engaged on the show. Okay, we still have to get to know each other. A lot of these people don't live in the same cities.

Does that mean we move? And if we do move, do I move to a whole city and get my own place? Sometimes it's challenging. And I have no idea why they didn't work out. Yeah. I wish them the absolute best. Yeah.

You know who's still together though? Joe and Kendall. Yep. And maybe there's something to be said about not getting engaged on Paradise and slow playing it it less expectations uh but uh joe is a i had a fun time with joe kind of an unconventional interview yeah i don't know we were just kind of hanging out shooting the shit got to know joe a little bit better i i really enjoy joe he's one

of the people i mean i didn't know him on the show i i didn't really get to start knowing him until after uh the show and you know we don't know each other a ton but every time i talk to joe and get to know him i always like him more and more he's just a he's just a normal good dude yeah his wall street stories are insane yeah and he's there's a lot to joe that you didn't really get to to know about joe on the show and he's one of those people who you know i which i appreciate he refuses to be different uh having result in the show doesn't mean he's not doing different things it doesn't mean he hasn't changed as a person but his core in terms of like who he is he still has perspective

he he he can kind of ball call bullshit on himself and in the world and he doesn't kind of get he doesn't feed into his own hype which I think is important so I've really gotten to enjoy Joe so without further ado Grocery Store Joe up next Joe welcome

thank you for inviting me I don't even know how to talk Joe can we say you're a little hungover you know and it must out yeah i'm hungover i'm definitely getting older because i did not drink that much last night i have a friend in town i had i had three mezcal and sodas two beers and then a fernet oh you told us earlier three drinks. The story's changing. That was five.

It might have been. Are you still drunk or just bad at math? Both. I think a little bit of both. But I feel good. I'm going to power through this. Oh, no. I feel good.

The ibuprofen's really, you know, kicking it. You said you threw up. I threw up. This morning? Three times this morning. No. This morning? Yeah. Are morning. No. This morning. Yeah.

Are you a throw-upper? I find there's two different types of people. There's the blackout people and then there's the throw-up people. I am the throw-up person. I'm a throw-up person too. I'm a throw-up person. I am. What a gang.

I was going to tell myself like I told myself to wake up and just run and sweat it out. And I put on workout clothes and went right to the bathroom and started throwing up. And that was it. I can't believe you made it here. But I'm here. I'm here. And I'm feeling good. I'm not going to be able to make too much eye contact.

I'm going to be looking straight ahead the whole time. So you don't get nauseated? Yeah. I swear that's what I'm doing. Well, I mean, I get it have i don't drink that much but when i when i've gotten really drunk and this has been a long time i get the spins oh and that's when i would throw up like i've and i've never i've never blacked out i've never not remembered are you making him more nauseous no i'm fine no i've never you know like i've always had a vivid memory even the times i was the most drunk are you the

same way say that again we're gonna get through this show have you do you do you have you do you not black out and not lose your memory at all like I've been really drunk, and I've not in any way lost my memory. Yeah, I do not lose my memory. I remember everything that happens. That's good. Yeah, it's fine. This doesn't happen to me. That's why I'm...

You're thrown off. Yeah. Honestly, it's the age thing. I'm getting older. I can't do what I used to do. But I don't even drink that much either, and that might be it. That's also age thing. I mean, I'm getting older. I can't do what I used to do. But I don't even drink that much either. And that might be it. That's also definitely why.

Yeah. And it's because it's ever since I moved to LA. And a lot of it, I think, is being in a relationship too. Because when you're single, you're out all the time. And you're drinking. And you do shots. And I just don't live that life anymore. Now that you're a married man.

Uh-oh. Yeah. Yeah, pretty much. I'm not married yet. Drastically. I don't live that life anymore so now that you're a married man or yeah yeah pretty much i'm not married yet drastically i don't i love it i don't live that life anymore doing some what were you doing before you met kendall i'm a retired vet well no but like you go out like you're used to going out at night and now i'm used to like go where you know we go to bed at 10 30 and we watch you know friends before we go to bed and you know it's just it's it's different it's nice did you nice it sounds like you guys have a bit of a routine we do we do uh are you

a routine guy or is kendo a routine gal and you are following her routine? Or did you guys collectively decide as a couple you built a routine? I think as a couple we built a routine. And I like to watch like a feel-good show before I go to bed. Really? Yeah, yeah. I like that. The other night we watched Home Alone because I love Home Alone. Oh, cute.

Great. You know, it's a feel-good movie. It puts me in the Christmas mood. So yeah, we did that. Have you always been this way in terms of like, that's a smart idea. Like why are you, like, I mean, I have watched like a suspense thriller before I go to bed

or a movie that, you know, just makes me think. And I never, I won't sleep. So here's a fact about me. I am a little weird. Weird. We're going to get to that,

but that's why. Really? Yeah. But like, so I will watch like the same four movies over and over again. So like I, for like, it's not that weird. again. So like I, for like, it's not that well,

like for like six months straight, I would watch like midnight in Paris before I would go to bed. Oh, so you're like a six year old. I have a lot of friends who do that though. But you know, like when you were a kid and then like a new Disney movie comes out and you would watch it 160 times. There are times there yeah i don't think they're

listening to this podcast but there are kids out there right now that can relate to like yeah they're like frozen all the time well that's 24 7 that's what was home alone for me like that's what i did i watched home alone like for a couple years straight but as an adult you are now doing this yeah so my main movies are my go-to movies are oceans 12 really yes well that's the worst one it's my favorite well i love ocean because i it's the it because you like to travel and food i like to travel i like the way it's shot i like um and those guys are very cool like i really um like i idolize they're cool in all three of those movies why something yeah something i something about like being in amsterdam and the way it feels it just

yeah just okay oceans 12 yeah and then midnight in paris these are defining of your personality yeah midnight in paris um paris paris i can't i i definitely am it's a good movie yeah these are good movie choices yeah uh what's what's my other what were my other go-tos home home alone home home alone um i like the movie manhattan i've never i'm not familiar with woody ellen what big woody ellen guy i like well i mean i don't know actually i shouldn't say that edit that out i don't know what woody I shouldn't say that. Edit that out. I don't know what Woody Allen has been doing these days.

I mean, he's always been on the radar for not, he was ahead of the Me Too before Me Too. That was the thing. Everyone knew. Everyone was like, oh. Everyone knew, but weirdly just went along with it. We actually started watching, I only watched the first episode,

but we started watching the R. Kelly thing. That's not a good thing to watch before bed. Watch that before bed? No, I don't watch that. That's like the opposite. That's like a 6 p.m. time. But have you seen that? I actually haven't,

because it's just like, I don't, I got the gist of it. I even started watching the Michael Jackson one, and it was like, all right, I get it. I'm done.ael jackson one i watched that was pretty bad that was hard to watch those those are those are rough uh let's back to the more positive life how did you we're bouncing all over the place so you you like very positive so i'm get you you vote you're a

routine guy even before you met kendall I'm getting the impression that you, there are certain things Joel likes. And the little bit I know about you, and this is what I like about you, because I'm somewhat the same way. You really know what you like, and you also know what you dislike. And you have a strong opinion about both.

Yes, that's said perfectly. I like things and then I don't like things. I like clothes. All of them. All the clothes. I like to be dressed. Oh, man. Yeah, I mean, I like shopping.

I do like that. I like fall. I like like that. I like fall. I like Christmas time. You're a basic bitch, basically. No, I'm not finished. I'm not finished. Oh, sorry, sorry. I like New York City.

I like pizza. I like lox and a bagel. I like Woody Allen movies. Seinfeld's my favorite show. There you go. Joe and I are pretty similar. That's things everybody likes. That's true. Yes, but I'm very passionate about those things. I live my life. There you go. Joe and I are pretty similar. That's things everybody likes. That's true.

Yes, but I'm very passionate about those things. I live my life. I like them more than everybody else. I surround myself with those things on a daily basis. That's cute. You like your comfort things. Yes. Yeah, I like to be comforted.

I like coffee. I love coffee. Damn. Joe, we could really hang out. Yeah. I thought Joe, I mean, I've been thinking about having Joe on for a while, but Joe and I were recently on Ellen together, and we did that game show.

That was fun, right? And the game show was basically spilled tea that you haven't had before, which I thought was harder to do, because I was like, what do I say? Talk about yourself on the podcast. On or whatever joe's was the most interesting the jingle joe because mine was like what do i do i don't do anything that interesting now and i and mine was i've had sex while driving once and this is something i did when i was

20 or something and me and my girl for the time were like this would be fun did when I was 20 or something. And then me and my girlfriend at the time were like, this would be fun to try. It was like, it was a very, not smart. Don't do it. Don't recommend it. But it's what you do when you're like early in your kind of figure,

you know, you're, you're having sex for, you're talking like a blowjob, right? Not like, no, we had sex.

Oh no, that's a terrible idea. Terrible. It was not even that fun, but I can say I did it, you know? Anyways, Joe thought of something that was like current, recent. He's actively doing. Yes.

Which, A, I also like that Joe's like, I don't care. Fuck it. I'm just going to say it. But you have a jingle. After sex. And you actively sing it. Well and well here it's just bizarre beyond belief well we had to give three facts that were for daytime television but about sex so that was very they asked for something sexy yeah that was difficult and i all i said was like

after sex sometimes i'll be like i just had sex and it was awesome and i say it like kind of like joking around like and kendall laughs and we just laugh and it's just like a joke i'm not like like like i'm not like sex like you know like i'm just messing around i i get what you're saying how long you've been doing that um that's been going on for probably five weeks, five to six weeks. I love what Joe's so earnest about. It's like, yeah, you know. Any rewrites to the song? Has it always been the same song?

Yeah, it's just simple. I just had sex and it was awesome. And I say it in kind of a funny voice and I say it a few times, maybe three or four times.all laughs i laugh she met she kind of repeats it too and you guys are singing this together yeah and then we go on with you know showering you know taking a shower after sex and getting dressed and doing what we gotta do so the sex is still good sex is great that's great yeah yeah it sounds like morning sex during the day because you shower and then go about your day well afternoon sex

here's the thing afternoon delight yeah i'm a big afternoon delight guy why um because i usually have the most energy. Because he's getting older. Geriatric sex. It's like, really? After eight? I don't know, man. You're getting minimal effort. We have Home Alone.

You have to watch at least a half hour of Home Alone. And if I type this correctly, I will be sleeping by 11, and that's a problem. No. But yeah, the song usually comes when we do have sex either in the morning or the afternoon because that's those are always fun times to have sex you know most people are working yeah and you're like oh we just had sex it was awesome you know have you got a little late a lot before you met kendall or uh well yeah i was fine like i was actually fine like yeah i was a normal uh you know i was i i was able to go out and

and meet women and usually do all right yeah it's great were you the king of Chicago, would you say? Are you asking before? Before Bachelor. Before. I was, you know, I wasn't the king of Chicago. There's a but coming. More like the prince. Oh! No, that was lame.

No, I mean, I would, you know, I was a single guy. I always did, you know know i did pretty well financially like not like oh you know i was okay where i could afford to go out on the weekends um yeah and you know i was single so i you know i you know i went out did shots did some shots yeah and in um yeah i mean i was you know you're among friends joe it's fine you can yeah i just think yeah i was just doing that you know um but i was at a point where i was ready to be in a relationship and i didn't um and i just i never really found that and then the show happened and now i'm in one have you talked a lot about other podcasts i don't want

to bore the audience about your night one experience because when we and i talked about i thought it was a fairly fascinating story about your whole mindset and and how that all went down yeah uh i mean i i have talked about it but i mean i don't mind talking about it well i don't want to bore the audience you uh you i i and i heard this from producers you like froze in front of the cameras yeah you literally i froze didn't i mean people say that but like it turns out they actually said words where you didn't yeah well no i did but i didn't i wasn't making any sense like i was talking and i was rambling like i i walked up to becca and i said like i don't uh like like nothing i said made sense and it went on for like a minute and then i said

i forgot everything i was going to say my name's joe this is after you've talked for a minute. This is after I've talked for a minute. So now, and I see her like, I see, okay. Yeah, I see her like look over and she's like, yeah, like, is this guy for real? And now I know,

like I know I'm not stupid. Like I know when people are like, oh my God. Yeah, you're a self-aware guy. Yeah. And I walk in, I'm like, holy fuck, you know. And they aired that. Oh, that was after the limo. Yeah, you're a self-aware guy. Yeah. And I walk in, I'm like, holy fuck, you know. And they aired that.

That was after the limo. Yeah. Oh. And then I got the number. See, I think here, okay, you know, I got pretty popular for being a night one guy. Yeah, no one will ever replicate what you did. And I would say that's because I would say I was probably somebody that should have gone,

would have gone decently far on that show if I did not freak out night one. I will say this is going to be embarrassing, but I was someone watching it. I was like, oh my God, this is like the dream guy. And I, friends with the producers, I texted him. I was like, how did he not make it past night one? And he's like, I don't know.

But I wasn't alone. I looked on Twitter. Everyone else felt the same way. People really went nuts for that. But you- Look at that hair. I don't know what I was doing with that haircut. Oh, that was brutal.

But it is wild to think because everyone gets nervous, but Joe was so bad that they weren't like, well, like let's, we'll just keep them. We'll like let them settle in. They really thought he really can't function as a human. You must've been truly terrible.

I, it was horrible. And you, you wanted to what? And then for paradise, paradise, there was actually somebody that backed out last minute that's why i was there i was surprised to hear that because i thought you were a shoo-in well

i think i was but i don't think i was a shoo-in to be uh original cast and i think and to that point is and i didn't hear that until after joe is that again not to beat a dead horse you were so bad night one and i've heard this from other producers that they were just like we can't bring him on because he can't talk yeah and so it was like how can we make tv if he can't we can't bring him on just to sit there and then you told me the story about what are the producers who's no longer the show when they brought you down and kind of came in and gave you like a a pep talk yeah he came he came into my room he said and i remember i really got along with this producer and he came in the room he goes how you doing he said i'm good he goes are you going to be able to do this i said yeah he goes are you gonna be able to do this oh my gosh i said i

think so you know and paradise it's a lot different it's a lot different and once i was still even nervous that first day but once you get past like it's just it's so much more calm it is surprising because like i don't know you that well but you are a guy who is not afraid to give an opinion and you're not like a little bit of hang out with you you definitely like even just going on ellen and telling you your sex jingle story 90 of of bachelor nation cast wouldn't ever admit to that because they're so conscientious of of the perception of them and you are that's not that's not i am that's not why you got weird which is so kind of bizarre to think that you froze so much because uh and that's where i i relate to you that way you're just kind of like fuck it i'll just say it i'll just say what's on my mind which is great for reality tv and yet you

were you you struggled so much at first well i'll tell you i'll tell you what what has changed is, because even Paradise, I'm sure there could have been a lot more of me, but I was really nervous in front of the camera. What is it about the cameras? It was the fact that I've never done it. So it just took me a while to, it's like anything, anything I've ever done,

like any job, if I was to work at 7-E-eleven it would take me a couple months to be comfortable and now i'm comfortable because i've done this for i've done dancing with the stars which was in you've done it but that's you know a out-of-body fish out of water experience and then i did the tour where i actually like host it in front of thousands of people so after doing all that now i'm comfortable now i could sit in front of the camera season pro so yeah now i'm professional but a lot of people that go on the bachelor they're like either influencers or some of them used to act or you know what i mean he's like a true uh i think you see that more and more and i don't think most of them used to act or you know what i mean he's like a true uh i think you see that more and more and i don't think most of them used to act do you think so i don't know you

peter has an imdb page peter peter the new bachelor he's from la and actually this is that's the new generation maybe a little bit more now but uh i feel like most of the people that cast are like from the Midwest and regular folk. And even Joe's out living in L.A. now. It's not like Joe's not, you know, I wouldn't call him an influencer, but he's doing his own thing. It's not as if. So I think that's, I think Joe's just more, I don't think we're talking about Joe. He's sitting next to us. I like it.

Yeah, I find you unique in that sense and refreshing because you're just kind of like whatever I'm just gonna be who I am yeah I think I I definitely notice that a lot of people in our world are scared or not scared but are are worried about what they say so much like I can't oh i can't like i'm so worried about you know because we have like you know the abc audience why do you think that you're not like that like what is it in your mentality that have you always been that way where it's just because you know in fairness people outside of tv the world we're all in in society always trying to be polite or always trying to not

offend people yeah and i'm guessing you've always had this type of personality even before the show we're just gonna throw it out there what i'm thinking i i've always been like this and it's really because i know what makes me happy and it doesn't make me happy to fake fake things or to lie so for me i'm like if if you know i smoke weed before i go to bed once in a while i'm not gonna be like oh no i never i've never tried marijuana like i can't i'm not gonna do that like yeah once in a while before i go to bed i'll smoke weed It's not that big of a deal. And I wake up and I feel great. I just had sex.

It was awesome. But like, you know, and I think I'm just like, it is what it is. And if people don't like that, I'm not going to change the person I am. So somebody, because it makes somebody else happy like you know i couldn't agree more but i find that very refreshing uh before you you fell in love with kendo kind of going back to to your dating life i mean what um we we talk a lot about dating on this show what are when you said you were ready to settle down were you were you're were you actively trying not to have a girlfriend were you kind of just out there and seeing where it goes have you had serious

girlfriends before kendall i kendall's my first serious girlfriend really yes yeah why um i mean in the sense that like was it active you know like okay so 30 when you yeah when i was young so i was a trader at the chicago mercantile Exchange when I was from the age of 19 to 24. Sounding like pork bellies? I was trading in the NASDAQ pit. That's awesome. Why'd you get away from that? Because I ended up losing my money, basically, and the business dried up.

And I was 24, and i felt like i was going on 50 and i was miserable wow um but at that time i just i was like i'm too you know because i worked with a lot of older guys and a lot of guys that had money and they're like oh you know you're you're young be single be single and that kind of just was like, yeah, you know. Grained in you. Yes, and then once that, once I quit that and I started doing the produce, I was working, waking up at 1.32 in the morning and working 10 hours a day, and I wasn't making nearly the money I was making before.

So I was really just, it was kind of hard to get back out there. Were you self-conscious about that? Yeah. Yeah. How did you end up in the grocery store business? My family's been in it my whole life. So my dad had like a produce route and he delivers produce to restaurants.

And then I had an uncle that had a house in the market and they sell to like all big grocery stores but um so what are we talking about now you're you're dating life you felt like oh you're making less money oh yeah yeah that i think that got in my head and then um the truth is i think it's very hard to meet someone at a bar or a nightclub and have like you know become boyfriend girlfriend because usually what happens well not in that moment well no but it it just always felt like it was like a hookup thing and it just for me i i'm not i'm not the kind of person that was able to walk up to women at a grocery store or a coffee shop and say hi. I couldn't do that.

I was too shy. I struggle with it. Yeah, you could get slapped in the face. It's kind of scary. I mean, yeah. Listen, I've always felt confident with women. I've always felt confident with women. I've, you know, I've always felt confident talking to them, but when it comes to that cold open, so to speak,

walking up to someone and saying, hi, I've done it before, but I, I wish I just did it more often because I, I, I do know that I, even if it's like, even if they have a boyfriend or if they say no, it's just like, there are probably more times if that i would probably get a reaction i was hoping for i just chicken out all the fucking time yeah um and it's just like i don't know why but you just you just get so nervous yeah and it's you just like in your head and you know you're not gonna sound smooth and it's gonna be rough and it's just like

uh so so i didn't do that but when you would meet women at bars how are you meeting them well i was drinking so you got and once you have a few drinks you're and everybody at the bar is drinking and everybody's there to talk so it's like one of those situations where it's like you know it's just known like okay we're gonna talk i'm gonna talk you're gonna talk and then you know wouldn't you like so when you say i mean i agree like no one's gonna go to a bar and fall in love but everyone's loose everyone's drinking it's certainly an easier way to break the ice with someone yes but would you go in there with the mindset of like this is just a hookup place

what if you met a girl enjoy talking to her and got her number and then like when you're too sober people on a wednesday grab a drink well that's that's what i tried to do um it just nothing ever clicked what did would you ever bring a girl home like the night of yeah yeah i've had one night stands before yeah i'm not no judgment but like what and do you did you and let me ask you this did you feel like uh you met a girl uh you wanted to bring her home and then you guys hooked up did that immediately make you feel like uh she wasn't um someone you wanted to date her home and then you guys hooked up, did that immediately make you feel like she wasn't someone you wanted to date then? Oh, because like I would be so like-

For whatever reason. Yeah, no. And the reason why is because I looked at it like, I'm not gonna judge her for hooking up with me. Not judgment. I don't think you ever would judge them, but did you ever just like feel like the i mean why why why any of these women did you not uh want did you ever like would you had did

you ever take a girl home hook up with them and then go out with them and then be like let's get together next week yeah okay yeah yeah i mean i date it like i date it like i had that where you know you know i would date for a month or you know a couple months it just it never um i don't know it just never turned it yeah never well why do you think a bar then wouldn't be like a at least a great place to maybe meet someone because the grocery store you get more nervous or whatever i'm protecting the bar scene yeah i think i think um i actually think you're right so i just it didn't work for me well i guess it did technically work for me too so yeah yeah i guess i take back what i said i mean it's not ideal like it's not the story you want to tell your grandkids. But it's an easier way to meet someone.

And then everyone's enough lucky to go on Paradise and find their true love. And most people in bars are single. You think so? Is that true? I guess. A half. I would say 75%. That's true.

Whenever you're in a relationship, you're like, why are we going out? It seems so. Why are we competing with all these people? Yeah. And then you met Kendall. Yes. And she has changed your life for the better. Yes, she has.

Did you, when you left Paradise, were you pretty, did you think that you were going to be in this relationship now? No. No? When I left Paradise, honestly, I thought I was going to be the next Bachelor. I thought it was a possibility. That's what I was telling you before. Because people had mentioned it, and I'm like, this is a possibility. I want it.

I looked at it like, I live in Chicago. I don't plan on moving to LA. Kendall lives in LA. We didn't have sex. Not that that means, but you don't. I get what you're saying. There was no jingle to sing. But you didn't hook up on the beach.

No. Why not? Because she wasn't ready um and i was like that's fine because i seemed very at least on paradise kind of yeah i mean that's what they show but she wasn't ready to go into that room which i understood like there's cameras in there no No, I'm saying she seemed reluctant about the relationship in general. Oh yeah. In paradise. Yeah, yeah, I think it didn't really click for us

till after and I remember being home for a few days and thinking, hmm, I'm thinking about her right now. I think I might really, really be into her. Why destroy this? Why just not work on this? Let me see where it actually could go because my whole life, I haven't given relationships any chance. So let me actually see. And the more we started hanging out and getting to know each other, it was like, wow, I actually enjoy being with this person every day.

Did you connect with her who reached out to who first i dm'd her and then she booked a ticket to chicago and then the producers came and you were like hey i'm still like why are we why are we not trying um i think we're both like uh we don't know so she she came to Chicago like three weeks after. And when she came to Chicago, like, because I was difficult to talk to. Like, she was texting me and calling me, and I was more not being very responsive.

Because I was just like, I didn't believe it was going to actually turn into something. Are you a skeptic? Yes. I didn't buy the whole bachelor thing i'm like this will never work i get what's happening here you go on this show my attitude was i go on this show if i fall in love great is it going to happen absolutely not you know and then there's like you know yeah i mean you know that's i get that yeah but i did think that i'm

like i wasn't stupid i saw like what happens on instagram and everything so i was looking at like i probably won't meet anyone on this show but i'll be able to meet so many more people after i'll probably end up finding the girl that i'm gonna fall in love with because of it i mean i get that logic hasn't really panned out for some people um and then and then kendall and so i mean see and then now you're you're living in la you guys are living together you seem like one big happy couple did you like wait to see if you were going to be the bachelor before you pursued kendall or was it? No, no. Once she came to Chicago, we hung out with no cameras.

That's when I'm like, okay, let's see if this works. Let's actually try to date. And we were both on the same page. Do you think if you weren't cast on Dancing with the Stars, where would you be living right now? Or that have been a great question because right you you basically lived out here for two to three months via dancing with the stars which made that transition so much easier you got kind of assimilated and accumulated to la and you guys kind of got used to this routine and correct me if i'm wrong but it was almost like well i'll just stay yeah kind of thing so to this routine. And correct me if I'm wrong, but it was almost like, well, I'll just stay.

Yeah. Kind of thing. So if it was, I don't want to say we wouldn't be together because we are really in love and it's a very healthy and fun relationship. But if it wasn't being casted on Dancing with the Stars, I don't know if we would have ended up together. Because being in LA for those two and a half months was so crucial because that was the point,

that was like the beginning of our relationship. Like, I can't do a long distance. And she couldn't either. Like, I want to be physical with the person I'm in a relationship with. So I can't do long distance. So that show was a big reason why I think it worked out it makes sense too because like we get asked a lot of questions about like long distance relationships i've talked about um

just in my life and i don't know how you feel but like every time i make some sort of drastic change like there needs to be some sort of boost or launching pad that i need you know in terms of like whether i when I moved to Chicago or moved to LA, like there was a, a jumpstart I had, right? Because if there is no Dancing with the Stars, you're just, you're living in Chicago, you have your comfortable life in your apartment and she's here and you're thinking to yourself, for a girl that you don't really know that well, wait, am I gonna just move to a whole, I'm gonna change my life drastically?

And it's harder to do that because you feel like, well, what, do I do this for this one person? And what if it doesn't work out? And yeah, you got this kind of boost through dancing where, well, you're not moving for Kendall at first. You're coming out here for a period of time. And then you got to know this person. And it's kind of fascinating because it wasn't like, it wasn't like you're

saying, oh, I didn't have these strong feelings like you said, but like it's, it's a crazy notion to sometimes want to do that in, in a relationship. And people struggle with that kind of idea of having to do that. And the same times, if you don't have something like dancing with the stars, I always find that things are easier than they seem sometimes would you agree in terms of like was it that hard to move to la yeah i totally agree with that it wasn't seems like such a mountain to climb when you are in your very comfortable life at the time it would have been without dancing with the stars to just leave my friends leave my family leave my condo leave my job to for one person to just yeah exactly you said just move to la was like absolutely the idea seems impossible absolutely not like i'm not i'm not gonna move to la and try to become an actor

like so what the hell am i gonna do um that's the harder part because i mean obviously dancing helps that um you know it's it's financially lucrative it's fun and then that was a bit of a platform but like even more than that i think just being out here is a it's kind of fascinating when you like thinking about long distance and couples who are in long distance relationships who their needs you you do eventually have to be in the same city oh yeah you can't it just doesn't work i mean unless it does but i i don't know anyone that could just do long distance for years no not not forever but you usually need that kind of boost or that that reason to go and sometimes you need to feel like you're not doing it just for that person right because then you feel like almost like resentment to feel like you're not doing it just for that person. Right. Because then you feel like almost like resentment or whatever, like you're doing it.

You almost feel like, why am I doing all of this for you? Yeah. And you're not doing it for me. Yeah. It can get heavy, heavy handed in that regard. A hundred percent. Like I, yeah, exactly. I didn't move to LA for Kendall.

I moved to LA because I got cast in on a television show. And the fact that Kendall was here was a plus. And because of that, we were able to explore our relationship and it ended up really working out. Go ahead, Rochelle. She just seemed so supportive of you during Dancing with the Stars too. Oh, she was great. She went to every show.

She did not miss a show. She helped me practice. She was literally there for me the entire time she never um got jealous or anything like that like she was great kendall's a very easygoing gal yeah she is i don't i don't know her that well but she's doesn't strike me at all as a jealous person and just always very light-hearted and and a very easy to be around person yeah she is she yeah yeah well said yeah that's the vibe of always got for so what what's next for you guys or you know i mean what are you doing out here what's what are you guys looking

forward to i know you guys are having a friendsgiving yeah we are having a friendsgiving tomorrow um you're invited um what are we doing out here now that's a good question because once you agree to do all these shows you basically have to quit your job and your life does kind of get flipped upside down so now i am living in la trying make a living off of, you know, entertainment world, I guess. Sure. I'm going more along the lines of like doing food stuff. And I was lucky enough to get paid by Southwest to just do something with them. I saw that.

Yeah. What'd you do with them? I did a little food tour in California. We did something with Buzzfeed recently, which was pretty cool. BuzzFeed and Kroger. So yeah, that's kind of what I'm doing. And Kendall has her podcast. Dwayne and Kendall started a podcast?

Yeah. Yeah. It's called Down to Date. Nice. She helps people, right? Yeah. Yeah. She like facilitates a first date.

Like a planner? That's a fun idea. Like a, not a planner, like a- Mediator. A mediator. Like a planner? That's a fun idea. Like a, not a planner, like a... Mediator. A mediator, like a, yeah, like a professional. People meet on our podcast? Yeah, it's a first, yeah. It's a blind date.

How long has this been going on? She's about 12 episodes in. Let's get Rochelle on. You want to go on? I do. She'll definitely have you on. Okay. 100%.

Who's she doing it with herself oh uh with uh oh no but it's just her yeah it's her yeah oh that's great yeah so that's and she's not doing that she was the taxidermy she was in tax where is that was that more of the show okay so she actually my friend used to work with her because she did like set design stuff yeah yeah she collects taxidermy she we. She probably has about eight to 10 pieces, but it's not like she's- At your place. Yeah, but it's not like-

You just have like, what do you got? I haven't been to your place. Do you have a lot of creatures? Yeah, they're around, but they don't bother me. But it's not like she has like- Joe's so earnest. I love it. He's so matter of fact.

I love it. It's not like she has like an operating room in our in our back room where she's stuffing these dead animals like she doesn't do the actual taxidermy does she name them do they have names um we have i feel like they have names we have a badger named beaver because i i bought it for her and we were at like this taxidermy shop and i'm like she's you know geeking out with the taxidermy guy, and they're going on and on. I'm like, listen, how much for the beaver?

And they both look, and they're like, it's a badger. I'm like, whatever. How much was the beaver? It was $400, but I got them down to $375. No, these aren't cheap. There's taxidermy that's like 18 000 like we went to um like a famous taxidermy to have a dead animal stuffed in your place yeah we went to a famous one in uh paris i forget the name of it but they have like and anything you could think of

any animal and how did kendall get into this um she's just really into like zoology and and botany and you know she she kendall's fascinating she's she's she's always reading a different book um she'll read you know she will read a book about trees like and she actually did just read a book about trees and she she actually did just read a book about trees and she loved it, but she'll do that. And in- Meanwhile, you're watching Home Alone for the Like, ah, ah, the door knob's hot.

Don't do it. Oh, that's funny. So yeah, she loves to learn. and you love to just keep it well i mean i read but i read books i'm reading omnivore's dilemma right now it's a good book what's that about uh michael pollan it's just about like what we what goes into all this food that we eat and how it's all food yeah and how it's all processed and like how a lot of these like organic companies now it's really just the same thing and like if you actually look and see what's in on these packages like his rule is if you can't pronounce it you shouldn't put it in your body and their thing

is like you could eat but you were talking about yes like chemical type stuff yeah and he's like you could eat all the ice cream you want make it yourself and then you'll see how much you actually eat and you'll make the simplest meal you can make you won't eat ice cream what do you do you cook um i'm i'm starting to yeah because of this book no because kendall likes to doesn't like to eat out all the time and i agree with that because it's a bad habit and i'm really into food and i enjoy cooking so yeah joe we're gonna play a little game to wrap things up all right let's do it it's called do you know me i'm more i'm more interested in this round of Do You Know Me than most. Why?

I can't tell if he's easy to figure out or hard to figure out. Hard. Joe? Yeah. He worked on the trading floor. I think that's crazy. Where did you go to college? I didn't go to college.

What? That's insane. You didn't go to college? How did you end up there? My cousins were all successful traders. Yeah, I used to know a couple guys in Chicago. It's kind of like if you're in the scene, you can get in. It's not.

Like the mafia? It's, well, yeah. I mean, it's very. You started when young? You said 15. I was 19. Well, I started going down there when I was 15 for like the summers. And then I started, I got my badge when I was 19.

So I clerked for a year and I started trading. Your parents weren't like, you gotta go to college? No, because none of my cousins did and they were very successful. It was- It's almost like the opposite. Yeah, it's like,

you don't need to do this. Yeah, and it was crazy because I had friends that went to the University of Illinois and I would go down there and like shots would be like 50 cents. And I made like $6,000 that day. And I was like, man, I could kill myself.

Like this is crazy. You were making $6,000 a day as like a 21 year old? So my issue was I can never handle a loss. So I would build up my account and then blow it in a day. So I had multiple days where I lost like 30,000, but I had October 2008. So I was either 21 or 22. I don't remember. October 2008 for three weeks straight,

I made over 50,000 a week. So I made like, and that was like how I got a lump of my money. I made like 55,000, 53,000, like 52,000. This is Wolf of Wall Street. And then like the next week I made like 35,000 and then another 30 grand the next week and then one afternoon a minute left to go in the day i lost 60 grand and then i went into work and dropped 30 and the next day i dropped

an hour 30 so i lost 120 000 in three trading days like an idiot i was so like when you look back because i don't know exactly how that works were you doing dumb stuff or was it just kind of the luck of the bad luck of the volatility of the market um i was doing dumb stuff so i would it was it was almost like being at a blackjack table. Kind of. Like here's the issue. Here was my problem. I couldn't...

At the time, I would be, because we were really busy, I could be down $7,000, which I was like so upset with myself for doing that. But I should have been fine because the past three days i just made 30 grand so deal with the fact that you're down seven i couldn't deal with that so i would just keep going and do and just keep taking chances and chances making bad bets at a blackjack table where you lose a little bit of money and you're you you put a you make a bad bet after a bad bet. You chase. You chase. Yeah. Honestly, it's like a disease.

Chasing, gambling is like a legit disease. I don't gamble much, but the little bit I do, I feel like I'm glad I don't. Yeah. I'm glad I don't get into it because I, yes. It's a bad vice. It's not great. You're an interesting man, Joe. And I feel like we're going to learn more this is how it works joe it's called do you know me okay i'm gonna read a question i'm gonna insert your name rochelle and i are gonna guess the answer so

don't answer it right away okay we'll say joe who's right and you'll let us know and then if you have an anecdotal story to elaborate on your answer please share okay you may or may not okay do you know me with grocery store joe question number one has joe ever eaten bear meat has joe ever eaten bear meat i know i was at dinner with uh two people who ate bear meat. Has Joe ever eaten bear meat? I know. I was at dinner with two people who ate bear meat. Where were you eating? I was in Finland.

Oh, in Finland. I think he hasn't. I think he hasn't. I think he would if it was on the menu. He just is not. I think if Joe was at the dinner that I was at in Finland, he would have tried it with the other two gentlemen. Yeah.

I was just like, man, I'll just. I don't think he's traveled to a bear eating. I think Joe would be down for a bite of bear. I'm going to change. I think he has. Someone's hunted it and then he ate it. I'm going to still say no, but I think he would. What's the answer?

Okay. Nick is right. I haven't. And you are also right. I would definitely try it. I'm always down to experience um new meats someone hooked you up with a bear and there's a there's deer shark and alligator uh have you ever tried any of those i i mean i've eaten venison uh yeah so have i shark and alligator shark i like, could I have had shark?

No, I wouldn't know it. No, I don't think so. But I did just eat, in Japan, I just ate pig heart. How was that? It wasn't bad. It wasn't bad. You know, it's really gross. And I mean, a lot of people eat it, but I really don't like, you ever have gizzard?

No. I'm not good at trying new things. Not that good. And with food-wise, I'm just like, food it's like i'm good yeah is that part of a turkey uh yeah but it's like it's like how the neck yeah it's like how the food gets like broken down um that's sound great it wasn't wasn't question number two has joe ever had a bowl cut has joe ever had a bowl cut no because his hair is too curly for a bowl cut you're selling your how old are you 33 me too i had a bowl cut joe has had a bowl cut 100 yeah

i had a bowl cut when i wore my charlotte hornets jersey of who was that larry jones uh that's it's our generation yes it was definitely uh and the curly hair didn't matter you weren't gonna be doesn't matter you were not gonna be discriminated because you're curly hair absolutely guys i can still do this absolutely uh it won't flop like yours straight haired guy but like i i'm also they're gonna come back you think i don't know i'm proud of it there's no way in about five years you'll uh they're gonna be back the bowl cut yeah i could see that it's gonna happen has joe ever hooked up with someone 10 years older than him i mean he's out there trading on the floor as a young 18 year old i feel like yeah there had to be some hot older woman at work i'm gonna answer this the same way I would bear meat.

No, he hasn't. But he definitely would if the opportunity presented itself. I think I have. Do you think you have? If he's 18, a 28-year-old, that's very possible. I would say, yeah, I have. Hell yeah. I would say right around that market it could have been like eight or nine years so we'll allow it that's yeah get it joe that's what the thing two one nick rochelle getting back in the game thank you

has joe ever been arrested and we're gonna say handcuffed not necessarily handcuffed uh he doesn't have to have been booked so to speak where he had the there's no mess any mugshot but has joe been detained and handcuffed by police yes yes yes yeah same era yeah it it happens you know. When you're making $50,000 a week, drinking shots and you're 21. The rules don't apply to you. There's no way you don't do something stupid. Yeah.

Well, Joe thinks he's above the law. No. What'd you do? Can you share? Probably something dumb. It wasn't like I was making, if I was, I only made that $50,000 a week for three weeks.

Either way. Yeah, I'm still pretty crazy. It was crazy. It was crazy. It was a crazy experience. Was it alcohol related? Well, I think we got cuffed a few times just in high school, like hanging out at the park drinking. That was a big thing in Chicago,

like the forest preserve and the parks. So that, yeah. Is there a mug shot of Joe? I'm looking. No, no, no, no no there's not well we'll see he spent some of that 50 000 to pay for it to be taken off the internet uh did joe drink alcohol for the first time before the age of 15 i think we just established that yes before age 15 15 yeah i think so yeah i mean not his first sip of beer because like first time i got drunk yes first time you got drunk before 15 i was a freshman

that's close that's yeah it's right on the so freshman's 14 i I'll allow it. All right. All right. Living. Three, two. Amanda. What'd you Google for that? That is funny because it's- I Googled Joe Amabile mugshot. First of all, she looks dangerously hot,

and Amanda got more Instagram followers after that. Really? Yeah. It's a picture of Al Capone and then Amanda. And then Stanton. That's funny. That's street cred right there yep um has joe ever cried after a test like after he found out he got an f

no i think so i think he's such a sweet sensitive sensitive soul. Yeah, but I think Joe's more like, that will get it next time. Yeah, no, never after a test, no. Never? Were you that, I don't think you were that into school. No, I was very bad. I was a bad student. Like high school was not my strong suit.

But I went to an all-boy high school and everybody just misbehaved and it was just like a thing. Oh. I feel like, yeah, this is what you describe your family. Like they didn't prioritize that as much. No, no. I was, I wore,

like I had the, like even like seventh and eighth grade, like I had the work. Oh damn. So I always worked. Four to Nick. Final question. You always have to keep score is there anything that we win or is there any other way pride has joe sung karaoke in the past

six months yes um i don't i i don't like to sing karaoke when i go to like i went to a birthday party last week and it was a karaoke and also doing karaoke in la it's not the same as like people are performing yeah it's like everyone's like it's their open mic yes and then they're like really good and like really into it i'm like you know i'm i'm good i'm not going to sing the person who could why aren't you in a band? Yeah. But besides the point, I'm still going to say you have. Well, he does sing a jingle after sex. So he's musical.

I don't think he needs the attention. He was on Dancing with the Stars. He's got that quota filled. He doesn't do it. He doesn't get up and do it. I don't thinke would karaoke for attention i think he would just be a team player i'm gonna say yes okay i'm gonna ask a question now okay does it count if it's on my friend's rooftop yeah and okay is this to be at a karaoke bar

if if you can do i'm just saying that because i don't want to lose this point well i mean i wouldn't do i wouldn't i probably wouldn't sing karaoke at a bar i would feel uncomfortable and i just like you said like i don't like i'm good like i don't need to do it it's not gonna make me feel better about myself so i don't i don't feel the need to do it but i did sing karaoke um on my friend's rooftop in chicago probably about six months ago. Oh, fun. That sounds lovely. Rooftop in the summers of Chicago. There's nothing better than summer in Chicago.

It's a really good. You still go back a lot? We're going back Monday for a week for Thanksgiving. Yeah. That'll be fun. Joe, it is a pleasure talking to you. You are an enigma, an interesting guy. But also, you're...

I love how you define enigma. One of the most... You're normal. You're normal and like you're not afraid to be yourself and not afraid to be normal. And I think that in a way makes you interesting and more interesting than a lot of people. So I've quite enjoyed it

michelle any final thoughts i'm an original stan so this was fun this was enjoyable are you okay no and i'm not even hung over anymore so you got that audio yeah i beat it what what do you think was the reason like uh just last question Dancing with the Stars was so successful for you? Like, you went so far. Oh, well, Bachelor, I think we have a pretty big fan base on that show. The guys kind of all leave the same week. You guys left the same week? Well, he was on more episodes, but we left the same.

Oh, I didn't know that. In terms of, like, the rankings are pretty much about this the same yeah and i i think i had a really big chicago vote like oh cool because i i have a big family and a lot of friends in chicago and i feel like and they were all like my brother's a policeman and he had the entire station like voting like like filling all their votes so like because who i mean like i mean i'm not like a person that votes you know the grocery store joe like just name i really did you well yeah you know just kind of like the i mean like i mean you working class yeah yeah what is it joe the

plumber like what what election was that where it was like this guy called joe i mean fuck it's such a grocery store joe was the one of the greatest nicknames that could have ever happened to me i'm a little bummed that when i googled you yesterday and prep for this show i had to go i had to google grocery store j before you came up came up immediately after that but i really wanted you to go grocery store which is obviously a very common thing. I've been very impressed if I were to type to grocery store and you would have been like number four. That's a goal. I had to type J.

Yeah, that's a goal, right? Nevertheless, still impressive, Joe. I've said this to Joe. No one will ever replicate his bachelor experience. And I don't think a lot of things about what i did on the bachelor uh i don't like wear with a badge of honor but i know that people won't replicate what i did and i think it's very cool that no one will ever have the same experience that you had on the show no one people will try to do it there are people who go home night one

and some people will be like oh why'd they go home night one and they'll think they'll be able to do what you did and no one will ever do it again. That much I am sure of. It was such a unique run and it was pretty cool to watch. Yeah, that's nice. It's nice to have that. Yeah.

It's fun. Well, Joe, thanks for coming on again. Thanks for listening, guys. I hope you enjoyed this episode. Don't forget to rate us five stars if you so choose. Don't forget to check out vilefiles.com for some merch. And we'll see you so choose. Don't forget to check out vilefiles.com for some merch and we'll see you next time.