The Viall Files - E703 RR - VPR Premiere, Traitors, Bachelor, and Scandoval Dupes with Rayna Greenberg and Ciara Robinson

Episode Date: February 6, 2024

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap Edition! Today, we are joined by friends of show Rayna Greenberg and Ciara Robinson to chat about all things reality television. First, we get Rayna and Ciara’s thoughts on our interview with Tom Schwartz and Tom Sandoval - and what we think of the first episode of Vanderpump Rules Season 11. We then get into Episode 6 of Traitors, and what we think of Peter Weber’s strategy. Next, we talk about Morgan Wade and Kyle Richards, and how some other reality stars might be trying to create their own Scandoval. Finally, we break down the second episode of The Bachelor, and debate if we think Sydney is a dangerous person.  “I’ve had best friends for years and I don’t have a tattoo of them!”  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Shopify - Sign up for a one-dollar-per-month trial period at https://shopify.com/viall, ALL LOWERCASE. Quince - Upgrade your closet with Quince. Go to https://www.quince.com/viall for free shipping and 365-day returns on your order. Lume Deodorant - New customers get $5 off Lume’s Starter Pack with our exclusive code. Use code viall at https://www.LumeDeodorant.com. SKIMS - SKIMS Bras are now available at https://www.SKIMS.com Plus, get free shipping on orders over seventy five dollars! If you haven't yet, be sure to let them know we sent you! After you place your order, select "podcast" in the survey and select our show in the dropdown menu that follows. Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @rayna.greenberg @ciaracrobinson @nnataliejjoy @alison.vandam @dereklanerussell 

what's going on everybody welcome back to another special episode of the vile files reality recap edition i am your host nick joined by the household of wonderful ally from saint paul i finally got a compliment oh my god ally's a fisherman the wonderful alley from saint paul uh our sweet boy justin my soon-be... Well, you are a mother now. Soon-to-be... Baby mama. She already is baby mama. But soon-to-be not pregnant anymore.

Soon-to-be. Soon-to-be. Natalie Joy. Hello. And our special guest today, friends of show, returning to The Vow Files, the one and only Sierra Robinson.

Yay. Hi. And Raina Greenberg. Yay. Hi. Woo. Yay. How are you ladies doing?

So good. I'm good. Been laughing all morning with you guys. I'm having a great time. Today is a big day for us. I'd say so. I think we're going to get induced tonight. But if everything goes according to plan, which, knock on

wood, so far we've been blessed. Everything's gone pretty, like, normal-ish. Our daughter will be born over the weekend. How exciting. Natalie, can I just say, you're a hero. I can't believe you're at work. If I was pregnant for a day, I'd be like, I'm done. I'm doing, I'll see you

in nine months. Yeah, truly. I can't believe you're here. Was Nick, like like the character in Finding Nemo in the tank where it's like, today's the day, the sun is shining? That was Nick this morning. No, that's been me being like, oh my God, it's our last like Monday night. It's our last lunch. It's our last breakfast without a baby.

Like this is our last time we'll hold each other's hand in the car without a baby, you know, last time we'll hold each other's hand in the car without a baby you know just like very much stretching it out and he's like our lives not gonna change that much it'll be fine no it's i know it's gonna change this is more like it's more of an addition less than a subtraction yeah you know for sure i don't think of it as a subtraction but it's just like our lives will be different and it is kind of sad because you do have to like mourn just the two of us because it won't ever be just the two of us again. Aw. Okay.

Anyways. It'll always be just the two of us, baby. It won't. Because we'll have a sweet, beautiful little angel who's just with us all the time. Yeah. Which will be so cute and can't wait i think these are very like real honest feelings that like you should share publicly and i think that not a lot of people get to say that publicly like i have to mourn the fact that it is never going to be

just the two of us again yeah and is that something i guess i haven't really worried about that well two things can exist right like you can mourn the sad you can feel sad that it's never just gonna be the two of you again and be so excited that oh my god it's gonna be three of us now i just wonder like when when couples are pregnant is that are those feelings more towards like are my guy feelings normal or are other guys do they feel like i feel or like how daddy feels say that like as soon as you see two lines on a pregnancy test like you feel pregnant you're a mother you feel it you're in it and then

it takes the dad like seeing the baby yeah I don't think it's hit me yet for sure like I'm fully in it like holding the baby we we read her we talked to her all that stuff but it's like earlier earlier this week it was like I kind of joked but like so what should we do this weekend knowing that like come most likely sunday like at

the latest that like there'll be a baby here i'm curious to see because i've i've heard that too about the fathers when they hold their baby for the first time that's like when that connection happens and i've heard that it's like that's going to be the first time that like you've always like looked at natalie it's just like my love of my life but like that's the first time it's going to like split like you know what i mean where you're like oh this love that i have for this child like nothing's going to stand in between me protecting this baby yeah but i feel like i can feel the same way about both we'll see are you worried that i will won't love you as much, baby? I don't think it's that. Well, you know,

I think you will definitely have this. I think you will be wrapped around this child's finger and I'll be like, honey, what are you doing? And you're like,

sorry, I'm with our daughter right now. Never. Get it yourself. Bitch. I think your feelings are super normal. I think everybody

probably has like a whole roller coaster wave of feelings like your love for each like your relationship should change because you will be parents and to be good parents your relationship should change a little bit and like you're gonna like love each other because you're gonna like love watching the other person be a parent like you're gonna like look across the room at your partner and be like look at her go now he's gonna be the best mom yeah sure he She already is the best mom. Yeah. Yeah. To our dogs? No, even to yourself and the, I mean, Nellie, even last night was doing her nighttime routine and all of her oils on her body.

I'm like, babe, take the night off. Like, you know, she, you know, she's been so like good at, you know, taking care of herself and then subsequently taking care of our baby, you know, very selfishly, you know, she's, she's already been full mom mode, you know, for a long time. Yeah. So. And you seem really proud of it and excited. I think it's been great.

I can't wait. She's been the best. It's going to be fun. I can't wait to see what she actually looks like. Yeah. We're very curious about that. She's got some very puckered lips. They're very, they're, yeah.

Very chubby cheeks. Do you think it's normal? Like, you carried the baby for nine months, right? If the baby comes out and looks exactly like the father, you're like, mother fucker. That seems to be the case, potentially. I know she will. Do you want me to show you a picture? From the view of the ultrasound, she has a prominent nose.

Wait, wait. She has a prominent nose. Wait, wait. The ultrasound tech said unique. A unique nose and a big-ish head. I have a head the size of a pea. So it's definitely not. It looks like Nick's face.

That is Nick's baby. So I have contributed quite literally nothing. And Nick was like, I hope she, I think she's going to have my personality. And I'm like'm like okay what the fuck is she gonna have of me she's gonna look just like you maybe once she's like a toddler but you have to zoom in more you can't see yeah zoom in a little bit for me i can't see i would just be like i can't believe i did all this work and it looks like you literally spoiler jwoww is is coming up a couple weeks from now. And when we had the pleasure of interviewing JWoww for an upcoming episode of Going Deeper. Oh. You know, she talked about like when she had her daughter, she came out looking very much like her father.

And I guess now she's more like a spinning image of JWoww. It goes back to caveman times where you have to like prove that that's the father. And so they come out looking just like the father and then eventually. Because I really want a lady in the tramp situation. I really want our daughter to be her mother. Lady in the tramp situation. You know, the little kids at the end of the movie. You know, the daughters look like the mother, you know, and the sons look like the father.

Oh, I haven't seen that movie in 35 years. All I remembered was the spaghetti kissing. Yeah, I was like, you want them to kiss each other? Okay. So I'd never use the lady and the tramp. Analogy. Analogy again. But it'll be crazy.

I wonder how long we'll be in this stretch for. What do you mean? I mean, we start at 10 p.m. tonight. They say it's like about 24 hours. I don't know. Some of them just come right out. A friend of mine is also getting induced two hours after me. Same hospital.

Same doctor. Oh, my gosh. She's got a friend. That's so fun. We were texting last night and we're like, we're in a race. Who's going to get out first? Who do you think is going to win? Well, I start two hours earlier, so I'm hoping it's me.

Okay. Do they sometimes just slip right out? Yeah. Let's hope. After like two hours, just right out of the, right out of the cookie. Let's hope. I don't know. I have a lot of fluid, so that's why we are getting induced and not waiting it out for

40 weeks. So I'm getting induced at 30 almost 39 but yeah i mean i feel like i've been pregnant for so long because i found out at three weeks like everyone's like oh my gosh you must be so past your due date like you must be 42 weeks you must be like it's like no i just found out three days well also her due date has moved around. You know? Uh-huh. It was first the third, and then they were like, she's measuring a little big. And then like a couple weeks later,

like, oh, she's measuring a little small. I'm like, well, they did change the due date, so I don't know if that matters. So like, let's just move it back. It was like, okay. Just flopping it around. What sign is she going to be? Aquarius.

Ooh. But she's already like eight pounds, they said. So she's big girl. they said. Big girl. Big girl. Big girl. That's big bitch. I'll report back on how that is with a big head and a big body. I was a 10 pound, 11 ounce baby.

I was nine pounds. I was also late though. My sister was 11. Of course. But yeah. It was like six pounds. But I'm five feet tall and I'm little. Well, we'll circle back.

Where do we want to start? Do we want to start with Traders, Vanderpump, Toms? Where do you? Well, I actually, I loved your interview with the Toms. That's why I'm here today. I DM'd Nick and I was like, the way Natalie pulled that receipt when you guys were arguing about time, I loved it so much. I had to.

So I loved that interview. I thought you guys killed it. Takeaways? loved it so much. I had to. So I loved that interview. I thought you guys killed it. Takeaways? I have a list in my note app of just like cringe moments because it was just like watching this man try to get through a sentence. So painful.

Like he showed up just so disheveled late. The gaslighting of you were also late. And I just like turned to Connor, my boyfriend, and I was like, I just find it hard to believe that Nick showed up

an hour late I definitely wasn't late at all I know I don't even think I was I might have been early there wasn't a question it was just like

but he just wouldn't let it go I have a question for you guys he seemed genuinely annoyed exacerbated that you guys

were asking him questions about like would you do this again how would you change things he seemed like fucking reallyated that you guys were asking him questions about like would you do this again how would you change things he seemed like fucking really annoyed with you guys like but i'm like but you came there to talk about this this is what we're talking about and you're like i don't know why does he act like that when like it is his job sort of if you don't want to talk about it don't be on the show yeah don't do interviews don't be on the show i think scandoval was emotionally hard on him totally you know and also like since the tom episode dropped like i'm glad people enjoyed it i'm not saying tom doesn't deserve criticism but you know just how people do

react online and the reactions and some of the things they say. You think enough is enough. Yeah, I think there's a way to have an opinion about Scandival and Tom without being an internet bully, you know, and without harassing people. And for whatever reason, some people don't do stuff like that. And so, you know, going back to Scandival, listening to Tom Swartz talk, he's not kidding when he was saying how,

you know, for two guys, you know, who have been in reality TV for the better part of a decade and a bit of part of a bunch of other bullshit that this type of vitriol was on a different level. Absolutely. And it was, you know, it's one thing to be DM'd or get criticism in the comments. But like, I do think, you know, for me, like when I was vilified on The Bachelor, I got a lot of criticism online. It was very tough, but I'd walk into a bar and I was a rock star, you know, and people are like, ah, you know, can I take a picture? And everyone's nice. Every once in a while, you'd run into some weirdo who'd pretend to be friends to your face to take a picture and say something rude after the fact. But that was few and far between.

And I think the Toms via Scandival have dealt with some really aggressive harassment. Yeah, I do think he's just lashing out about it. And I think that you both have always said, like, you know, there's two sides to this. You've been a little kinder to him than I think the rest of the Internet. And I think that, like, enough is enough and it's time to like move on so i understand him being like are you fucking serious but he hasn't done himself any favors by saying like i feel like i don't listen to him say i regret this so deeply i can't believe i did this who did i become in a way there's none of that that's my issue too there's no accountability and it's like at the same time what this happened february last

year so it's like you've had plenty of time you've done plenty of interviews and and podcast and what and he has his own that I'm like that you could formulate a very roundabout paragraph about like how you feel what you've learned and it's just like the idea that being asked after the fact okay so what did you learn from this and it's just like I don't I don't know man I'm just trying to be a better person and it's just like take just like an ounce of accountability for your actions. You're not the victim in this situation, but it's very easy for everyone else to move on when you act like you've moved on as well, which he doesn't. It's also like it's been a year. So are you still trying to be a better person or are you a better person? Because it's been a year.

So you've had time to change your stripes. But also, he knew all the questions coming in. Nick had had several conversations with him. He's like, this is the questions I'm going to ask you. This is how I want this interview to go. I'm not trying to beat a dead horse. I just, you know. Yeah, I told him the goal of the interview.

I want you to look good. I want you and Tom to come on and have people hear you guys talk and think to themselves, all right, you know what? These are a couple guys that maybe have made some choices in the past, but the future might be bright.

That was not the tone. He hated me. He did? Well, you pulled that receipt. Even the way he spoke to you, though, it was just kind of like, in what world? Like, just an ounce of respect. I do understand somebody just...

What do you mean? What dude? And I was like, he did not just call a pregnant lady dude. I understand him being like, I'm fucking done with this. It's been a year. Like, move on. But there's like a kind way to say that that would make people move on.

But it wasn't even about going back to Scandival. No. It wasn't like, why did you do this? Right. We wasn't even about going back to scandoval no it wasn't like right why did you do this right we didn't even ask him about rachel like we didn't even get into the all of the shit that rachel's saying on her show yeah like it wasn't about going back there and relitigating that so yeah you just said what did you learn and how have you grown and he was like fucking serious and i was like are you fucking serious it's grown? And he was like, are you fucking serious? And I was like, are you fucking serious? It's a normal question.

I was like, even the 45 minutes late in bringing in the photo to like have the talking topic of Lala and the animal conservation. I was just like, you're 45 minutes late. You have zero humility and you want to bring up a headline from two weeks ago as your opening statement. What was your takeaway on Schwartz? Schwartz, I feel like at least I don't know. I mean, I don't know if Sandoval made him look better. I don't know. I'm just like he at least sounds like he has experienced some form of growth and articulation. It's just it's so sad because it's like he lives so much in the past and he's just like, I don't want to be a sad sack, but, you know, here I go. And then it's like, but my divorce, my, it's been very hard. And it's like, I don't

know. I feel like he constantly kind of lives in that place and then gets close to being like, but I'm doing good. I'm doing high. Hi. Yeah. I don't know what that was. I used to feel for him because I was like, you know, he's lost so much via this other person in his business. And he does seem to want to like finish Tom Sandoval's sentences because he's like, I can do this better than you. I can sound more empathetic than you. I can give you the words. But then I learned that he actually knew about this the whole time, like since day one. Allegedly. Allegedly. And then you say to yourself, like, what kind of person would do that? And I had this

long discussion last night with a friend, like if Ashley, the co-host of my show, my best friend in the world was cheating on her partner and was constantly using me as a shield for that. I wouldn't tell the partner, but her and I would no longer be friends. I couldn't like watch her do that just over and over and over again. Yeah. You would have a hard conversation with her kind of like, what are you doing? Yeah. I can't believe you. You're going to need to stop this. Right. We can't keep being friends if you keep doing this. doing yeah i can't believe you you need to stop this right we can't keep being friends if you keep doing this yeah i can't watch you hold her accountable yeah i wouldn't tell the friend because i just i think you don't really it's hard to step in i but i would be like we're no longer going to be friends you know that right

it's as if their friendship operates under the premise that no matter what truly no matter what, truly no matter what, they will always be friends. And even if one of them makes choices that are damaging to the group, the friendship, other people, the business, they'll still be friends. It's giving like Stockholm syndrome for me, like Tom Schwartz with Tom Sandoval that it's like, because even when he was speaking his truth and then he noticed that Sandoval was getting upset about it, he would like backtrack and be like, yeah, but no, no, no. Let me clarify. And it's just like, it's OK to say hard things about your friend. And they have to accept that because it's being honest. You know, it's checking them where they're at versus enabling them to continue with the bad behavior.

But it's just like he's so like, yeah, but if you're mad at me, then then and I'm like, then what? That's why I asked if they've ever had an orgy. I was like, you said that you've got to be connected in some sort of way that we don't know about. Because this is interesting. He's capable. He's capable. I loved it. And I was like, oh my God, if she gets the tea that they had an orgy right now, I'm going to lose my mind.

No, and I also loved when Short said to you, he was like, what would you have done differently? And just Nick just nonchalant was just like, I would do it all differently. I would have done that entirely differently. And it was just like, yeah, like hold your friend accountable. I've always been, Tom and I are very different friends, Schwartz, because I've joked like I've never been a best man. I've been a groomsman so many times. I am that friend who's, I'm not the guy who will always take a shot with you. I I'm not the, yeah, man, let's fucking go. I'm not the guy who's, I'm sometimes a Debbie Downer. Cause

every once in a while I'm their friend is like, I don't know. I don't know if we should do that. I don't know. You're kind of ride or die, but you're like, I don't see why we have to die. Like, can't we just chill a little bit? Yeah. I understand that. And that's why like, I don't see why we have to die. Like, can't we just chill a little bit? Yeah. I understand that. And that's why I'm not the guy who's always, always there. No matter if I want to be a fuck, he's a fuck with me. I'm not. I am not that friend, you know? I don't think that you have.

I just, I couldn't watch somebody do something so duplicitous, so horrible to another person that I also care about every single day for so long and involve me in it and know that we are now business partners. My name is on a business with you and like, just continue to be your friend. I just couldn't do it. Right. I still very much wish both of them the best. And I, and I really, I really want Tom Sandoval to turn a corner in his life. I really do. Maybe I'm crazy. I see good in him. I do. But unfortunately, like I said, last episode, it's as long as your interests align with his, he can be an amazing friend. Okay. You know,

yeah. As long as you both want the same thing, whatever that is, you know, if you're in a relationship or a friendship, as long as you're both like, yeah, I want this. He will be an amazing friend. But as soon as that moment moment changes as soon as your interests aren't aligned as soon as you want slightly different things sandoval's gonna stand it all yeah it's interesting because he's like the biggest villain in america and for like nine seasons i have really no feelings about him he just seemed like a guy you guys watched most of it some of it we're like halfway through i watched all of it and i found him irritating the whole time irritating but not like a terrible person not like a cheat on my

10 year long relationship with her close friend he cheated like season 2 I was a kid of cheating season 2 season 5 you're right you're right I guess other Jax was like so crazy it like paled in comparison

Jax was so bad that's what I said too I was like my big thing was that Jax was in the forefront and his relationship was so much in the forefront that it was like, nobody else was like, oh, you are who you hang out with. There's no way that these two other boneheads are doing the same thing. And it's like, no, they very much are. It's just, we can throw Jax under the bus and we look. That's true.

It's what magicians do. It's what's it called? A diversion. It's like, hey, look over here. Jax is the hey, look over here. Yeah. Exactly. Hey, look over here. But do you know what the good news is for Sandoval? What?

Nowhere to go but off. Yeah. Like, you know, it's been a year that our episode with them, the big takeaway is, yeah, same Tom. But he will always get chance to to show people that he's changed six months from now if tom you know he people might be more reluctant they might have a hard time believing at first but if if he actually one day wakes up looks in the mirror and says what am i doing yeah why what am i doing you know and actually it. I don't want to be like this. I want to I'm going to focus on my choices. I'm not going to focus on anyone else. I'm not going to focus on why my choices, what happened to me to cause me to choose

what I did and make those excuses. People will give them a chance. They will. So let me ask you guys what you think. So the first episode came out. Raquel obviously didn't. Rachel, whatever, didn't film. Tom actually has the opportunity to do this. Do you think it's a mistake? She did. Raquel obviously didn't, Rachel, whatever, didn't film. Tom actually has the opportunity

to do this. Do you think it's a mistake she did not go back and then started this podcast? Huge. You think it's a huge mistake she didn't go back? Huge mistake, yeah.

Like I know, I know I have a lot of friends who have podcasts at iHeart. It's an interesting world over there. Okay. And I think Raquel is just basically went from one environment

where she is being coerced or pushed to share her story into another environment where she's also being pushed to share her story. And she chose to take some money and start a podcast with the idea that she'd have creative control which i know i heart not so much totally and she's all she's doing is this recapping vanderpump yeah yeah so why not go on tv and stand up for yourself and knowing that in reality tv they love a they love a rebound they love a comeback and rachel was really despite her mistakes the way lala and james and the rest of the gang at the reunion treated rachel was uncalled for you know a lot it was a lot and so she had every opportunity to bounce back you know i i get it protect your mental health stay away move on i want nothing to do with this but she hasn't she has very much not moved on she has

tried to control the narrative in her own way, but she hasn't done that. You could argue you still have very much to do with this. Actually, all you're doing is reliving what happened in the past instead of having conversations to move forward with people. And listen, I watch Lala on TV. I think she's I like her one on one. We've done her podcast. I think she's smart, funny, cool. But like the arguments she's had with people, I wouldn't want to be talked to like that. That would terrify me. And so like, I understand being scared

to walk into the lion's den with these people who could rip you to shreds publicly. But is it any better to just go on your own podcast and in a vacuum exist and just recap the past? Like, what does that do for you? Now you're giving them content to talk about. We're talking about it. All the other Vanderpump podcasts, they're going to be talking about it. She's definitely not removed herself from the situation.

And you definitely can't move and grow and become a better person if you're still stuck living that same life every single day, which it seems like she can't get out of. And I feel for, I do feel for Rachel. I think she keeps getting a lot of bad advice from people who don't have her actual best interest in mind, starting with Bethany. I don't think Bethany had her best interest in mind. I don't think the people she's doing a podcast with have her best interest in mind. And it's kind of sad. I mean, I respect her decision to profit from this, to be honest. And I want to put that in context. Everybody else around her has profited from this. Like Lala got to sell all that merch. I bought some. I love the send it to Daryl shirt. And, you know, Sheena and all their podcasts shot up the charts. And I think Raquel's like, well,

I want to benefit from this financially, too. And I think most people in the world would be like, she shouldn't get to because what she did was horrifying. But I think she's just like, let me throw my hat in the ring too and make some money like everybody else. I'm not saying you deserve to. She like really ruined somebody's life. According to like, allegedly, she made like, what, 200k plus off of the last season. So it's also kind of like you having the main storyline of this coming season like who knows what she could have been able to ask for and still profit off of it but it's like exactly what you guys were saying there's actual conversations being had and seeing it in real time versus hearing a repetitive

narrative being spoken about over and over again from one side you know yeah it just makes it feel like all the work she did in this facility was disingenuous because it's like you come out and then you're like, let's talk about it. Well, that's where I feel for her because I think there may be situations where, let's say, I mean, I'm assuming she's done therapy or has some sort of like mental health advocate. Like her plan for this show was different.

Yes. And now it's turned into a pushed her to us. Yeah. A tell all. A tell all. Got it. And I and I I think she's making a show that she deep down doesn't want to make. But at the end of the day, she's an adult and she has to be held accountable for her choices. And do I have empathy for her? Do I feel bad for her? has to be held accountable for her choices. And do I have empathy for her? Do I feel bad for her? Yes, I do. I really do. But she's got to start surrounding herself with people who actually have her best interest in mind. And she has to have her own best interest in mind too, because at some point you do have to actually say, no, I want to remove myself from the situation,

or I do want to move on. And I think right now, Rachel is, you know, and I can understand the, does she, is she really ready to move on from the limelight, the attention, the social media of it all, the opportunities that come with it. It's, it's a very difficult proposition. I mean, there are times before I started this show and me leaving the Bachelor franchise. And I had a bunch of opportunities come my way. It was all like one-offs. So it was like, what if I don't come up with anything? What if I don't do anything?

And the idea of going from this literally fantasy world that I had been living in to like, what if I have to go sell software again? I might have to do that. Yeah. You know, and to humble yourself to go back is a scary thing. You know, I knew I might have to do it and I would have to maybe humble myself. But that's a weird feeling to go from, you know, red carpets. Totally.

Hanging out with like real celebrities to the proposition of being like, hey, let me tell you about some software. I agree. It's a scary feeling. I think that she can't win. There's no way for her to win except for if she just kind of goes away. But I guess what you're saying is the thought of going, what is she going to do?

She's going to go work at a pet store? Right. Yeah, I hate that she doesn't have many options. I wish it would have maybe been a bit more of an open environment for her to come back on the show. But I can see how scary that would have been, what, two months after reunion, like starting negotiations and after leaving that and being in this facility. Like, I can totally see where she was like, I can't put myself back in there. The show fucked up because the day after the last reunion aired Natalie and I went to lunch and we ran in to Vanderpump producers meeting with Allie to talk about the next season. I mean they were going into next season and so there was no time to like decompress or unwind.

And so you went from foreshadowing, talking about the basher, actual verbal abuse, actual bullying by the hands of Lala and James. And well, Sheena wasn't in the same room, but just pretty much the whole gang. I get why, yeah to nally's point it's i think the show i think they they they got it wrong a little bit they they overplay their hand just a tad right i think they were making so much money from the viewership like who was going to

tell lala to sit down and be a little more quiet because they were printing money you know and then you admit that you're called that you're culpable by saying, you know, stop this and trying to control the situation. And then she can sue Bravo for distress and things like that. What do you think of Lala opening episode one being the we should give her a chance after following the reunion? I mean. What do you think of her timing? As a viewer with like the the more like it's very hard to take that as genuine you know what i mean like i'm like in my head i was like is there was there

a bonus offered if you were being willing to film with her since we didn't know she was coming back because i'm like it doesn't make sense to me you were the one jumping out of the seat saying we are not the same i was not your best friend all of these things and then all of a sudden you're the one that wants to step outside on the landing dock and be like, Hey, by the way, I'm ready to be your friend. And I get where you're coming from. Like you literally ate her alive for an entire season for calling you a mistress. And now you're saying you, you, you were that it would have landed better for me if Lala and maybe she has on her own show or things like that. But Lala is a reactive person and I

get it. She's great TV and we need that to have great TV. But I think it would have landed better for me if Lala would have said, we are all works in progress. And I've learned that I can be still reactive. And when I get reactive, I can say very harsh and cruel and mean things. And that's something I have to work on. And I shouldn't have acted that way. Instead, it was more like, now I'm willing to give you a chance, Rachel. No one will film with you. Yeah. There wasn't a lot of accountability on Lala's behavior, at least on the episode. Maybe Lala has talked about it in other spaces but i've dated people who are reactive and i'm sorry like you being nice the next day after i had to listen to 45 minutes of you fucking piece of shit how fucking dare you fuck you blah blah blah blah blah i'm no like the next day of like hey you know like i was mad well you know like that is that wasn't me

yeah yeah it was and and lala has demonstrated that's kind of how she fights she's just like what if she were you know and she kind of like talks it like oh whatever that's just me what she was so upset about was raquel saying if i don don't have Tom, I don't have anyone. And that was in the same episode as the last reunion, right? That they had that little one-on-one where she said that. So you had all this time to reach out to Rachel,

but you waited until cameras were up. Maybe you had to. Maybe they were like, if you're going to do this, you have to do it on camera. Yeah. But it's like you didn they were like, if you're going to do this, you have to do it on camera. But it's like you didn't have these feelings when you watched it and you weren't like, oh my God, let me immediately text her and reach out because I know that feeling.

I hate that feeling. I don't want her to feel that. It was like, let me give it eight months, cameras up, and then I'm going to be a good person. I just always remind myself that this, this is a television show. So like what you just said is rational and normal. And of course, if we lived in the regular real world, I would call somebody not with the cameras up.

But if I'm on television and it's my job to be on television, I'm waiting until episode one. I'm going to be the one to leave her the voicemail. I'm going to get the bonus check for getting her back on the show. I just, I guess I like, I forget that like there is their job to be on TV. I guess it's just like because they did show a like flashback of Ariana texting Schwartz on Watch What Happens Live and Sheena texting Tom when Ali died. And it's like we could have had that same moment and it would have felt a little bit more real.

Genuine. Genuine. Yeah. And it's also the like sit down with like Lisa Vanderpump, have this conversation. And then it's like, well, now that we've confirmed it, here I go. I'll call right now. Right now. Right here at this party.

Yeah. I'm going to step outside. And I'm here supporting Ariana. Into the alley and send her a voice note. I'm so sorry. It's so hard for you to be in your ex's bar. And this is where everything went down. But let me just make a phone call really quick. I'll be right back. Yeah. I'm going to circle It's so hard for you to be in your ex's bar. And this is where everything went down. But let me just make a phone call real quick.

I'll be right back. Yeah. I'm sorry. It's just lazy to me on the producers. Why are they at Tom Tom's, by the way? I don't know. Oh, they're there because like James has a DJ set in West Hollywood. They can literally do that anywhere.

And they've been to so many. Hey, Ariana, for our first. We're going to traumatize you. We're going to traumatize you. Back. Let's go to Tom Tom's yeah well they're like because Tom can't be

there he's filming special forces with me let's go to Tom Tom's yeah TV is so funny you know they're just like let's traumatize her we'll catch it on camera you know

really I watched the episode I was like a little bored but then I was like how could anything live up to what we've already seen play out we watched clips of them on page six walk into filming that and I was like a little bored, but then I was like, how could anything live up to what we've already seen play out? We watched clips of them on page six walk into filming that episode. And so like, how could anything really ever live up to it?

Well, and then I watched the interview before watching the episode. So I was like in Vanderpump mode, but it was just like after watching that, I was like, yeah, there's not much going on this episode. Yeah, you're like, wow, there's not much going on this episode. Yeah. You're like, wow, that podcast episode was so dramatic and juicy. Sorry, Bravo. And then you're like. And then I was watching the show like, hello. He wasn't even in the episode and I didn't even like realize.

Until they did the like flashes of his face haunting everyone. And I was like, oh, he's coming next episode. He's coming home. What storylines are you most interested in playing out this season? Well, after your interview with Katie and Dana, I'm very curious, again, with the whole Sheena Schwartz situation. I'm sure it's minuscule, but at the same time, it's just so weird after watching years of Vanderpump and their history and knowing how Katie reacts to things and knowing that Katie's still cool with Sheena. I'm just like, how did that play out? Because I'm like, at the end of the day, it's just like it's showing that this girl is still capable of betrayal. This girl

has a history of like pushing people on them that she, I guess, wants to hook up with herself. Because, I mean, it's an old season, but there was the season with Brittany and Adam where she was pushing Brittany to break up with Jax to get with Adam and then the next season she's dating Adam so it's just like why are you sitting here pushing Rachel on Tom Schwartz and then it comes out the next season that you made out with him like it's weird

yeah it is weird I think it's going to be unfortunately much smaller than they're making it because it's always how it is. Yeah. They're like, this is the biggest drama of the season. And then it's like, that's what we're talking about. And Katie didn't seem.

And maybe that's just her being a great. A pro. Yeah. But she when we asked her about it, she was just like. Yeah, she was a little mum about it. She was like, whatever. You know what I like about this season? I think we're going to see is they was just like, I'm mad. Yeah, she was a little mum about it. Yeah, she was like, whatever. You know what I like about this season I think we're going to see is they've fully broken the fourth wall. I feel like for 10 seasons, we're supposed to believe that these people are not crazy famous.

They just work at Sir. And now you see Lala saying, Randall is suing me so that I won't put my daughter on Vanderpump Rules. You see her in an interview. And I was like, they're really going to acknowledge this. And in the last scene of the episode, they kind of foreshadow i think that like the tides are gonna turn on ariana a little bit because they have her like up dancing creating this like big scene in front of this big group of girls and i think they kind of foreshadow that like the tides might turn a little bit people might get a little sick of her well the big question is is how much

is ariana going to lean in? And Sandoval referred to that, and I obviously pushed back, but there is a line where Ariana can maybe cross to the point where it's like, all right, girl, yes, you were heartbroken. Yes, this sucks. But maybe it is time not to lean into your pain. And I think the audience will have a limited appetite for how much

ariana leans in they have no appetite for tom telling ariana when it's okay totally right like that's literally like totally but i do think the audience is kind of like okay yes it it sucked but you know we are on broadway a lot of us have been through this yeah we're like let's I think about that a little bit where I'm like I'm a little sick of this like you've become a millionaire because of this how many of us have been cheated on and got nothing out of it but I'm

also like alright she's playing the card she was dealt and I would play them too no she should take all take all the opportunities that come your way it just will come come down to, you know, in those moments, does she sit there while all her friends, you know, that they're always have these cameos on are like, oh, no, it's OK. Like, let's protect our, you know, like how many times does she lean in to I'm triggered, you know, I can't do this right now. And having all the friends be like, oh, is Ariana OK? Is Ariana OK? Versus, you know, I want to do this right now. And having all the friends be like, oh, is Ariana okay? Is Ariana okay?

Versus, you know, I want to see Ariana on tables dancing. I want to see her moving on with her life and having a ball and going on Broadway and taking advantage of every opportunity that has come her way as a result of Scandival. It just comes down to how much pity she is trying to further gain from her friends or the audience. And you have somebody like Lala going, Hey, hello, this happened to me too.

And with a child. Yeah. And you know, so I think that other people are like, I didn't get a dollar out of me being cheated on. What happened to Lala on its face? Way harder. Brutal.

Brutal. I mean, scarier. Yeah. Real money. I mean, realier. Yeah. Real money. I mean. Real other people involved. Yeah.

Like a child life. And someone who you could argue has mastermind capabilities. Oh, Randall. Randall. So connected. Tom Sandoval's not a mastermind. He's selfish. Yeah.

Yes, he can be manipulative, sure. But I just don't see mastermind. He's not playing chess. Yeah. No. No. No. Yes, he can be manipulative, sure, but I just don't see mastermind. He's not playing chess, yeah. No. No. Barely checkers. So I do empathize with Lala when it comes to that because that shit, what she had to go through with Randall

and is still going through. That's the thing. When you have a kid with someone and it doesn't work out, we are connected. But if it doesn't work out, scary stuff, especially if they're monsters. And Randall is. Totally. Yeah.

And, you know, I understand. Listen, I obsess about this thing about all day, every day. I think people are like, well, you were you broke up his family. So why did you not think that this would happen to your family? But regardless, she's still a person that's happened to her. It's horrible. And she does. I understand her anger a little bit of like no one felt bad for me yeah you know no it's it's messy and it's complicated for me i'm like it's

10 times worse like again i'm like not to take away from like the cheating because again a nine year relationship and getting cheated on with your with your best friend devastating but yeah with the child involved the amount of money the, just all of these things that are now changed, shifted. She's in constant lawsuits, constant like for custody. Like these aren't baby. These aren't things to where a new boyfriend's going to fix it. You know, and they last for years. Well, we will see how the season unfolds.

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so there's like the original below deck there's below deck mediterranean there's below deck down under i think there's also like below deck adventure and typically like people who come back are not only like the captain but a lot of the chief stews are recurring characters as well so like the big ones that come to mind are kate chain, Hannah, who's I don't think no longer with the show. Aisha is usually on the down under. But Kate Chastain is like one of the like longest OGs. Like I would put her up there with Captain Lee of just kind of being like the face of Below Deck. Okay. Yeah. Because I know who Captain Lee is. She's the other probably like most famous person from the show, except for that really hot captain guy. He's like Australian or something.

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I want to see so hot. If I built a man, it would be him. Bravo Con went wild over him. All of the bravo-lebrities there, like the single females. Yeah. Every single one would get on a panel and be like. Even fans and celebrities. Yeah.

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Anyways, Kate Chastain, biggest star of the franchise, probably besides Captain Lee. Spoiler alert. We are on episode six. If you aren't watching, traitors, we will be talking spoilers through episode six. By the way, it's on Peacock every Thursday at 9 p.m. Eastern for you guys to check out. But would you believe that Peter Weber, Bachelor legend.

I am so shook by this because you have all these reality show people and you have all these physical competition people and you're like, they're going to win. Of course they are. Peter? People sleep on Bachelor contestants. I mean, look at their Special Forces track record with Hannah Brown, Tyler, and myself.

And I think Ari did season one of Traitors. I think he was a finalist. Wow. Hannah Brown, dancing with the stars, the ladies on Dancing with the Stars have always done quite well. I watched a little bit of the first season,

but I didn't get far. But I'm like, it is, I feel like, more of a game of minds, even though there's challenges and puzzles and things. I'm like, at the end of the day, it really is scheming

and hiding your identity if you're one of the people right yeah that's the best part is because you know who the traitors are you know who the faithful are and you see these reality tv stars scheme like you you you're in the know especially for bachelor fans i think what's fascinating about it because bachelor everyone has to whatever regardless of whether their truth is, it's I'm here for love. And that's all I'm here for. I'm not here to scheme. I'm not here to strategize. I'm not trying to go farther than the love I'm feeling allows me to.

And so in other shows like Survivor or Big Brother, that's the game. So they're openly talking about it. And so I think all these Bachelor contestants, A, are slept on because they're just seen as these pretty faces. And two, they're very uncomfortable going on these shows and talking about their plan. And so I think they fly under the radar often. There's like a round table and they all vote out who they think is a traitor and they've gotten it wrong every single time. And then Peter was like, I have a plan. We're not you can get shields to protect yourself. And if you find them throughout the challenge, then like you can't be murdered off. And so Peter's like, we're going to tell these three people who I think are traitors and we're going to tell them that I found a shield

and really these two other people found a shield. And so if one of those two people get murdered, we know who the traitors are because they were the only ones. Oh, he's real stupid. It was really like... And he already guessed two of... There's three traitors and he was like

I know two of them. And everyone else was like so wrong everyone else in this show it's just like a the salem witch trials if they rub you the wrong way you're like traitor and everyone's like yeah peter sits back he's observing he's like flying under the radar and he's killing it adrian i lovera, I love watching her. She's hysterical. And I would immediately be like, it's got to be her. She's so spicy. So it's Phaedra, Parvati, and Dan who are the three traitors. Parvati being survivor, Dan big brother, and then Phaedra housewife.

And so Peter's like, it's either Parvati or Dan. I also told CT, but I don't think he is one. And so they get to the round table and Dan is like, I just want everyone to be able to hear me out. Like, just be open. I have been watching someone from the very beginning. And he basically like, you would think, oh, I'm going to turn on Parvati because everyone's already kind of on edge with her. But he goes full on Phaedra. Like no one's thinking about Phaedra. No one. No one. And everyone's like, it's edge with her but he goes full on phaedra like no one's

thinking about phaedra no one no one and everyone's like it's either parvati or dan and crazy and he yeah he shines a spotlight at phaedra which i thought was kind of a weird move i actually i'm a little confused about so i sort of i understand the show i'm watching the show but like why what's the benefit of turning on each other well at the end of the day like the bachelor it's you're you only have one teammate and it's yourself got it you know there's only one winner there can only be one you know what i'm saying so like prior to getting the end there's alliances and things like that which is kind of fascinating because it's it's very bachelor in a way without bachelor's just more like everyone's pretending it's not traitors you know um and traders just like naming the thing that they're doing that is really funny like this this episode we'll talk about the bachelor like that is very much what's happening

is they're all like trying to get the other one voted off the island yeah yeah and it's uh but it ends on a cliffhanger so like at the end of every episode they get to identify a traitor they dan got identified finally so finally they they kicked off an actual traitor you know that peter got it right and peter is like there he's referred to as the bloodhound the detective of the group and they're kind of getting because there's this click of faithful that like we know we're all faithfuls it's like like we go to church you know you know some people are like no i believe in god and other people are like but do you go to church because we go to church and peter's group is like it's like trishel

from real world and kevin from bling empire and peter weber and it's just like a politician. Yeah, an actual politician from parliament from London or something. What? I thought, yeah, the politician comes out of nowhere. And this boxer, didn't a boxer send himself home? Because he said it was like... Oh, yeah, he's been gone for a minute. He's been gone.

Oh, Kevin. That's who I would have named as one of the killers because he's so under the radar. Like, who even knows who that is I was like struggling to like think of what show he was on Kevin is so sparkly he's sexy you find him sexy I think he's a good looking man yeah definitely wait what does sparkly mean

oh what does sparkly mean then I thought you meant just like hot he is a living Kendall he's perfect I mean he's just everything's just kind of over his head he's always's just, everything's just kind of over his head. He's always checking his hair. Everything's in perfect spot.

I think when Dan said, I don't think Peter is savvy enough to have put this plan together, I think he probably should have been talking about Kevin. Yeah. Kevin. I call him Kevin. He's very good looking. He's a total bitch. Yeah.

But yeah, it ends. So now they have a move. So like at the end, Dan gets voted off. So now there's only two traitors. And so now the traitors have an opportunity to make a faithful, to invite someone to be a traitor. And the traitors tend to have a little bit more power than the faithful. And obviously, you know who they asked?

Who? Peter. Oh my God. Peter's a killer now? Well, we don't know. He hasn't accepted or declined. We don't know if he's accepting. Why is it a benefit to add more killers?

Because you can vote. You can be in charge and vote people off. And you're definitely a little bit more. Well, you're not alone then too. You can play off each other and strategize. Then why would he say no? Why would he not want to be a killer? Well, I actually think it was actually...

My first thought was they should pick Peter. And then quickly, I thought, you know what? shouldn't pick peter okay they did pick peter i thought they should have picked um bergie because i thought peter was too obvious peter was the ringleader yeah and if i'm in peter's group if they come back because they're going to announce it because it's basically you can fight a faith phil would be a traitor or you can kill someone that's another part about the show they're like who should we murder it's very funny it's like who should we kick some off like who do we kill tonight you know it's so loud and so whatever peter decides the next day they're going to figure out that either no one was murdered or that now there's a new traitor question um is peter anonymously invited into this?

Okay, so he has no idea who the other two are. Peter doesn't know who the traitors are. He gets a card saying, we want to invite you to be one of us. And now he gets to decide. It ends on a cliffhanger. And no one knows he got the card. No one knows he got the card. And when Peter got the card, he wasn't sure.

He thought the card would be, you're dead. Right. You got murdered. You said that he figured out too so that means that another faithful became a traitor because isn't it three?

Yeah, so it's Phaedra, Parvati, and Dan. And Dan just got kicked off. So now they're trying to invite Peter to be their third. All right, now I got a new show to watch.

And the reason why I think it was a bit of a mistake to pick Peter is because the next day they're going to be like, all right, so no one was murdered. But now one of you is a traitor. Right. So everyone's gonna be like, who's that going to be?

And the faithful are going to be like, well, what would if I were a traitor, who would you pick? The person who just sniffed out everything. Everyone else. I'd be like, I'd pick Peter. And so if I'm one of the faithful, I would be like, sorry, Peter, but if I'm a traitor, I would have asked you. This is,

Nick, Nick is really wanting to be on this show. I was going to say next season. Yeah. Next season. It's like he, every time we're watching it,

he talks about what he would do and I'm like, okay, I get it. Go on the show. You guys should come on together. Oh, I would not be good, but Nick would be great. Oh, now it would be good.

Well, now they know. They know Nick's strategy. I don't think I would not be good, but Nick would be great. Oh, now it would be good. Well, now they know. They know Nick's strategy. I don't think I would be good. If Nick is casted for season three, just know he's a traitor. I think I would be a better faithful. I wouldn't be a good traitor. I would be bad at everything. I can't do any physical challenges.

And there's so many rules. I could never remember all these rules. I think I could be. I think I'd be good at sniffing out the traitors. I'm not a good liar. So if I were a traitor and someone's like, Nick, you're a traitor.

I'd be like, no, it would be so obvious. I don't know how you can control your like, like, like my face would turn red. You know, like when they were talking about Dan and when dan voted off bergie because he was like

or he let's murder bergie and then bergie had a shield and he came into the breakfast i would be i would be like i'm out you know it's me i would have been so red i would have been like me too but if somebody was going to give you a quarter of a million dollars do you think you could control your redness no i'm not sure i don't know i think i'd have a hard time yeah at more stakes i'd be even worse at it. So I think I could pull off being a faithful, but traitor, I would be like, I murdered you. I'm sorry.

Some people are so good at lying that they're like, they double down on the lie. They're insulted. You don't believe them. Yeah. And then you're like, maybe they aren't lying. Like they're mad at you for not believing them. I could never do it.

I was two hours late to Tom's podcast. They have to get Vanderpump people because they are very good liars. Very convincing ones. And you have to be convincing liars to be a traitor on this show. Truth. Yeah.

Yeah. But yeah, they need to cast more Bachelor people together because they have a lot of housewives or they have multiple people from The Challenge and they have multiple people from Big Brother and stuff like that. They only have one person from The Bachelor.

And I'd be curious because the thing about The Bachelor is there's less getting along and more rivalries in The Bachelor. So I actually could see Bachelor people, depending on who they casted, not actually even being in alliance, you know, with each other. But it really depends on who they cast. But they should definitely start casting more than one Bachelor person. I thought it was like cool to see two people. When CT and Johnny Bananas were like, God, of course he's here. I thought that was so funny.

So I like that they cast people from the same series. It's a fun dynamic. I want them to see at least three Bachelor people in one season and see how they interact. I thought that was fun. Yeah, I agree. Alright, well check it out. It's our new favorite show. We'll keep

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and this is like in quotes the source came out and said that it was for her new like project so it's a work project so she's just archiving is what they said that's but before the source came out and this source came to entertainment before before they spoke out, people thought that it was like a breakup or friendship or relationship, whatever way you interpret that. Because that's kind of what Kyle's whole thing is right now. I have heard a lot of people in Bravo World suggest that ever since Scandival happened, that there are a handful of people trying to almost create their own scandal. Self-produce. I've heard people suggest that Olivia from Southern charm has tried to do

that. People have suggested that Kyle, it might be trying to do that with her and Mauricio. Do you think that's fair? Do you think that's going on a little bit? I mean, I think that's fans creating the idea that it was olivia to me is a little a little far-fetched i'm like if anything it's giving austin and taylor

being that they're the ones that were hiding the their friendships well just olivia again i think what i mean by that is everyone's seen how ariana has like cashing skyrocketed so there's a lot of people trying to create, trying to be Ariana in their own way, especially if they feel wronged by any of their peers through deceits, you know, being bad friends or being bad partners to try to capitalize. I believe that more with Kyle than I do with the Southern Charm people, just because I'm like, Kyle's a veteran. She's been on the show since the jump. She knows how to make headlines. She knows how to make people tune into a season. If your marriage is struggling, and as she said, she's been very transparent for the most part throughout the seasons of what's going on in her life. So with all of the speculation with Morgan

and her marriage, everything, I'm just like, I wouldn't be why this is the one thing you're now all of a sudden saying that you're not going to be direct about because it is it in the same breath you're having Morgan on the show and tattooing your initial on her body like I best friends for years and I don't have an initial of anybody on my body you know what I mean like what does it take to get there that you need to kind of clarify if you've met this person two years ago and now inseparable but we've never heard of them before what's going on there but initially you can be like well you know it means something else i also think it's different because morgan in their defense has so many tattoos that the k

just kind of like blends in i feel like it'd be different if like me having no tattoos suddenly was like a giant letter. She's just like, let's love ketchup. It would be weirder. Sure, but I'm like, I'm also like, it's their personal relationship where I'm like, she could have tattooed anything. Why would you choose your initial also?

A star, an X, it wouldn't matter because it just blends into the collage of other tattoos i'm like to put your initial on another person's body says to me i want you to look at that and think of me but you could put not at the end of it and be like it's k-n-o-t it has nothing to do with kyle but you know but you think that she is leaning into the storyline and being a little like you're not saying that she's like ending her marriage for the television show i don't think anything i just these are we this is fan speculation that's what i think i think if it was you know i think she's 100 working on her marriage i'm not i don't think that i think they're separated or yeah that they're actually having marital issues i think

that the cliffhanger of what else is going on she knows that that's what everybody's hooking on to and so therefore we're not going to give you the answer. So you're going to tune in every week, hoping you get a little tidbit. And then it was, I don't know how explicit I can be on this show, but it was like even the demonstrating at the girls' wine night with this, this is what scissoring is. And it's like, Google, you don't need to demonstrate on Dorit. Like, you know what I mean? That it's like, oh, I would date a woman.

And it's like, you're baiting us. You're saying, stop asking me Dorit. You know what I mean? That it's like, oh, I would date a woman. It's like, you're baiting us. You're saying, stop asking me about it. And then you bait us. And then they give us a flashback of you saying... My face is hot from saying that. Scissoring? I was like, oh, Natalie's mom's here. I'm nervous.

I think it's great TV. I love it. I'm living for it. I hate to see somebody's marriage fall apart and they have four children. Like, my God, I feel so terrible for their children. But like the are they, aren't they of the television show? I'm loving it. That's why I'm tuning in every week.

They gave us none of it this week. And that's why I kind of feel like where I'm like, I'm not going to be shocked at the end of it if it's like, no, guys, we really are just friends and Mauricio and I are staying together. And it's like, well, you we really are just friends and Mauricio and I are staying together and it's like, well, you got the ratings up

for season 500. I hope they stay together. I really like them as a couple. And I love Mauricio. I hate to see a marriage fall apart like that.

Olivia, I agree with you. I can see Taylor and Austin being like, because I was listening to your interview that you guys did with Taylor and I think you said something

like, why bring this up at all? And she was was like because it's going to be talked about if it happened off camera off season we are going to talk about it and I was like okay like you guys brought this to life like they didn't have to talk about this at all they're not together if they really did just make out do you guys think they just made out you think they slept together I actually think I actually believe Taylor you think at this point that they would just say it if it happened if they actually had sex and then it seems so bizarre to me that Austin is a part of this triangle and yet no one is questioning Austin and it's like whatever happened Austin

was a part of it and yet Austin and Olivia are going on trips and hanging out and carrying on their friendship. To me, Olivia lost a lot of credibility with how she continued to choose to interact with Austin. That's fair. And I think she felt so betrayed by her friend Taylor that it was easier for her to just convince herself they definitely had sex. Because I just don't think, think again taylor she seems like a nice person whatever i i think she would just be like fuck it i at this point what does she have to gain by continuing to lie because no one really believes her and eventually the truth would it always comes out on reality tv the truth always comes out on these fucking shows so the fact that

it hasn't come out yet and Taylor's still like, listen, I get it, but I haven't. I tend to believe Taylor. See, my thing is that knowing that Taylor still wants a friendship with Olivia, like, wouldn't you take that to the grave in hopes that it's just like it was just to make out? I don't need to, like, confess that we did more than because. Wait, so you're faulting her for telling at least some of the truth it's not faulting like for me this is like when i'm talking about friendship and especially when it comes to loyalty and friendships like i could never be friends with somebody who did something like that to me where if i'm talking to you about this person and you're going out making out with them

hooking up with them whatever to me it doesn't really make a difference yeah so i'm like if olivia want if whether they did or didn't if olivia sees it as they hooked up all the way or they made out, whatever it is, I'm like, the idea that you were capable of getting to that point behind my back, you might as well have. I think that's how Olivia sees it. But I don't think everyone agrees with you. And I see what you're saying. But that's why I think in the spirit of not having to argue with fans or whether she should or shouldn't feel this way, it's just easier for Olivia to believe they fucked. Yeah, I mean, I just wonder, it's sort of this trickling down of the truth.

It was like, we're learning little things. And I think that maybe Taylor's like, she cannot learn that I lied about one more thing because that will just further reinforce that. Whether she did or didn't, I'd be like, I am so doubled down on this lie. I could never tell a person. And I don't know.

I find it hard to believe the two people are like making out and talking to family there and they talk their families i find it hard to believe but i i really don't know i think if she slept with them she's taking it to the grave she cannot like let another thing out it's possible but i'm with you of like it's so bad already me personally i, I'd be like, yeah, we fucked. I don't know. You got me. Yeah.

I don't know. I could be wrong, but I tend, I maybe I'm going to be gullible, but I tend, I'm believing, I think, I think Taylor did not have sex with Austin.

And again, to me, I'm like, it really doesn't make a difference whether she did or didn't. You still had somebody's full trust and they were confiding in you about that person. And you can say that you didn't think about me but that's yeah and those are consequences of Taylor's actions regardless of if they

had sex or not alright let's close it off with the bachelor there's only really one thing to talk about and that's is it Sydney what's her name Sydney before we get into obviously Natalie has a very articulated her thoughts on Joey's looks.

You ladies, before we started, is he actually seem like a nice guy or is he just hot? Because everyone's just like, oh, he just seems like such a good guy. We've had Zach. We've had Clayton. And, you know, Bachelor Nation wasn't necessarily in love with him from the jump. He seems just normal to me. Like, Zack seemed like this robot. Clayton is so earnest.

I feel bad for him. He's like his own worst enemy. This Joey just, I love a Philly guy. He's just, he just seems like a normal dude. He's easygoing, but I will say that I'm like, I'm not like panting when I look at him. I think he's a good looking dude, that I'm like I'm not like panting when I look at him I think he's a good looking dude but I'm like watching him I'm like oh no his personality definitely makes him

so much more endearing and like sure you know he just doesn't give me like slime bag or like anything like where I'm like oh something's gonna come out mid-season I'm like no he's just like a genuine sweetheart that cares about their well-being he did say last season to charity that he can be what was his language he used like difficult or stubborn boyfriend or something i'd love to learn more about that he did say something in this episode like i can be a little more quiet reserved and i've had a problem with that in relationships i think he meant like oh he said he doesn't like a moat a lot something like that and that's been an issue in his relationships before he just seems like a normal guy i think he's cute i don't know i'm into it okay i want to know natalie's articulation he's not great tv

because like i want clayton having like a meltdown with all these women and they're in this museum and everybody's crying and it's echoing throughout the building i'm not gonna get that from this guy i but i i i'm glad that we have a Bachelor. I'm just tired of people just kind of hating on the Bachelor. I think Bachelor Nation didn't really want to say it, but I think they're glad they have a Bachelor that they think is hot. Yeah.

And that they desire. And I think they're giving Joey every benefit of the doubt because he's easy to look at. And I think other Bachelors like zach and clayton it was more like we're just waiting for you to step in it because we don't like looking at you i like i think objectively they're very good looking men yeah no they are objectively they're all one percenters but no one's talking about joey that they talked about zach seems really normal zach i was like is this guy gonna emote at all ever

but what has Joey done really nothing he's just he's easy to watch he doesn't like swing me in either direction he's got those green eyes he just he does seem like a guy I'd meet at a bar and I would sleep with him curly hair like he's just cute

I think he's so cute no it's like all the women are just like they're i was watching this especially this season it really reminds me just of all the trauma dumping the bachelors have to endure every date it's just like i didn't get along with my dad i didn't get along with my parents but because i'm here with you i feel like i can fall in love it's like holy shit i mean i don't i don't even know if i should be dating you now have you worked on yourself like holy fucking shit i'm not going to be able to like save you but that's how they all talk to i thought about that uh i can't remember whose date it was this episode but yeah she was like talking about like her relationship growing up with her father and everything and i was like

do you know how many dates it would take me to get to a place to where I'm just sharing this with you? And it's just like, I've never felt so seen and trusted. And I was like for a week. Do you feel like it's manufactured intimacy? They're just like, this is how I'm going to stand out.

I'm going to talk about my, what a cochlear implant. What is it? Yeah. Like this is the thing that's gonna make me have like are you horny I own a sex toy company I'm always horny uh it's cochlear you're like sorry I'm just thinking of cock I know it's cochlear actually Ashley and I were talking about this morning she said cochlear and

I laughed out loud um I think this girl's I think people are just like let me manufacture some type of intimacy with this person I'm not gonna do it with some like cute story about the mall so I'm gonna tell you that my mom didn't love me yeah you know and it's always been a winning formula like from decades of of bachelor watching it's how intimate, how vulnerable. Anything we know from this season, it's that they're all fans. They're all fans. Yeah.

And that's what's, I think, most frustrating about it and what I think we appreciate so much of the Golden Bachelor is like these women, they're not even getting notes from producers. They're like, no, no, I got this. I know how this works.

I know who I am. So I have something sad to tell you. Ready to corner this girl in the bathroom, make her cry. It's a lot of that. Is Sydney an actual dangerous person? Yes or no?

I mean, I think she's exactly what you said. I think she's just like, hold my beer. This is the episode where I'm going to go to him and I'm going to tell him that people are bullying different people and I'm going to name the girl. I'm going to create this whole thing of drama. I think she's like where I'm going to go to him and I'm going to tell him that people are bullying different people and I'm going to name the girl. I'm going to create this whole thing of drama. I think she's like, I'm going to be the drama.

I'm the problem. It's me. But do you think that's her on this show or do you think that's who she's always been? And when I say dangerous, I mean like she accused someone of bullying. Verbally assaulting her. Verbally assaulting, bullying. Those are dangerous words.

People, you know, get canceled for being bullied, and rightfully so. Sure. Or being verbally abusive and assault and things like that. That is a crazy thing to say. Those words she used were really shocking to see, and they are dangerous. And I want to preface by saying everybody's experience is what it was. So if her experience, if she feels that she has been verbally assaulted, I guess it's valid. But like those words she was using take away from people that actually have been verbally assaulted by people that have been screamed at, lit up, sworn at.

That like wasn't what happened in that conversation. All of it. What's the other thing? Do you think that we saw everything maybe uh do you yeah i i do i think if yeah i do if there was like screaming they would have aired it i don't think they're protecting anyone but even then i'm just like whether you feel that way whether it's valid whether it's not you have the option of pulling said person aside and being like hey this is how that made me feel versus going to the bachelor and being like this person is labeled bully labeled this well they never want them to end up with a with you know like they care so much about who they end up with that they're like you can't end up with someone who would bully other women well but with that being said though though, I mean, I think I

have like a interesting take on it to where I'm just like, but for me, it's the inverse is that the idea of somebody who actually didn't verbally assault you, who actually isn't bullying you. But to say that you're now victimizing yourself and creating the title to that person that they're a bully without their input, without even having a conversation based off of their actions, how it made them feel. So it's just like, to me, is that dangerous? Yes, because now you're creating a narrative about a person and they don't even get a say in it, but you've already established that not only the bad guy, the villain, but that they're doing it intentionally. You know what I mean? So like for me, like that's dangerous because it's like you're

not even allowing somebody to have a say in who they are as a person, how they're being perceived to another person. You're just trying to get ahead in the game, which I get it. That's what we're watching for. But at the same time, to me, that that's very dangerous. The word she used shocked me to my core. I could I was like, oh, Maria did was disagree with you. And she might have sworn in her. She didn't swear at you. She wasn't screaming. She just disagreed with you. And you removed yourself from the conversation. She's like, I'm not doing this. Yelling and screaming.

She yelled. When she called, what's her name? Her very close friend. I laughed out loud. I'm like, you've known her for 12 hours. I laughed out loud. Didn't you just get here yesterday? Do you not have real friends?

We're very good friends. I needed a protector. I was like, what? And then her cheerleader talent was really do you think that was edited do you think they put together just like pure silence because i feel like those ladies would have at least thrown her something that definitely i the crowd reaction could have very well been edited maybe not i'm also like how long were we there and And what slot did she have? Because if that was the 10th slot going in after the song, I would have been like.

People would be like, yeah, cool. You can share. Totally. That's a great point. Yeah. That's definitely a possibility. I'm so sad I signed up for extra work today. But props to whoever.

Who's the one who sang? Props to her. Edwina, wasn't it? But she, I mean, she was was for someone who says she doesn't sing pretty damn good I couldn't have done something like that also for a hot take

I just love the fact that we're bringing Renaissance names back Edwina I haven't heard that name since like Shakespeare like I'm I just love it

we're bringing it back I'm literally gonna go through like Shakespeare work of arts and be like future baby's name do you think I can't really remember like in the Bachelor franchise the person that goes to the Bachelor bachelor is like i just care about you so much and i just

want you to know that this girl's a bully does that girl usually go home never oh yeah oh they don't stick around they never win right so like i think she thinks she's like doing something here but i'm like historically you are going home, I think she knows that she's probably not going to win. And this is her chance at TV for sure. Okay. But I do think this is who Sydney is in life. Yeah. I think she's been a mean girl most of her life. And she does it by accusing other people of doing the very thing that she is actually guilty of.

That's like perfect. I'm sure there will be a TikTok that comes up that someone's like, I i went to high school with them and they bullied me and now they're on tv and this is here's our yearbook photo we were in the same 4-h club happens yeah that'll definitely happen if it's i'm sure probably already has happened for this season maria seemed so shocked and whether that was an actor or not she seemed like genuinely like confused and surprised those words were used against her and i was her i'd be like bitch i'm gonna play this game so hard right now you just lost because i'm gonna be the best contestant on this show you've got your white board just what what is your real if you could rain on any reality tv show you could be a contestant on there is not enough money in the world to get me on a reality television show.

Okay, fine. But what would you, if there was, what would you thrive in? Because I have the luxury of talking shit and not doing it. If there was no consequences. None. What one would you go on? I think I'd go on the one where I like, just like the, like want to hang out with the cast the most.

My answer would have been Summer House. Because I was like, cool. I get to have my job during the week. You only film me on the weekends and randomly during the week when there's something going on, but you accept the fact that I have a real job and then I just party on the weekends

in a lovely Hamptons house. Done. I love your answer. Yeah, it's like the reality that doesn't have to become your whole life, but it could be your yearly paycheck. I like that answer. Baby, if they invited us both on Traders,

would you come with me? Mom, would you watch our daughter? She lined up childcare. She's like, sorry, let me be a mother and make sure my child is watched. How much heat would we get if we showed up to Traders with a three-month-old?

With a three-month-old? It's like a sympathy vote. They're like, well, they're parents. We gotta keep them here. I was like, you guys showing up as a couple. old it's like a sympathy vote they're like well they're parents we gotta keep them here I was like you guys showing up as a couple

one of y'all is gone day one she's like swaddled she's always on my chest I'm just a dad trying to get by guys I'm just trying to like feed my kid

and pay for her college you know they're accusing your baby of being the traitor yeah what reality show would you guys want no part of being on the cast like there's not a dollar

amount literally in the world that would get you on it special forces that's a good one uh vanderpump okay why vanderpump and not like housewives because van the vanderpump cast they're fucking pro you know like i don't I don't have what it takes to be that messy and not give a fuck. For all of the TV I've made, and I've made some TV, these people are really leaning in. They're in. To a point where I couldn't do that. I couldn't do that i couldn't i couldn't be that giving i mean what those what what the bravo like the vanderpumps or some of the housewives like

what they sacrifice on a personal level i don't think people fully appreciate i agree with you i think summer house was such a good take because it's like that doesn't have to be their whole personality their whole lives they do just film it on the weekends in the summer and they go back to their lives page de sorbo's labeled the girl that lays in bed all day. I'm like, can I get that and a paycheck? That's fantastic. Okay. I take, I know what I would be on. I would be Paige's role on Southern Charm. I live for Paige. Just her silly little, like one-liners are so funny and she doesn't really have to participate. That's the role I would be. I'd be the girlfriend of somebody who's the main cast.

The best friend of the main character. She just gets to be like, she has like a funny line and she leaves. That's the role I would want. And I think a show that I would never want to be a part of would be Housewives, but it'd probably be like more like a Beverly Hills Housewives because one, like in my like 50s, 40s, 50s,

like I don't, I would like to have a nice dinner party and not have like just hit the fan every single time I get catering and interior decorating and everything. And then you guys just like bring some like only fan. No, not not today. So I think like that where I'm just like anything that's supposed to be a nice setting, they find a way to just ruin it. And I'm just like, oh, vacation in Bermuda. We're going to have a survivor level soliloquy and voting somebody off the island? Like, no.

I couldn't imagine sitting down for one of those housewives dinners. Fuck no. Here we go. I feel like there's a producer on the other side with a cue card that's like, bring up Dorinda's drinking. It would be even worse if it was like

Real Housewives of Dallas and no one watches. That is so true so that's hysterical you're like I put my whole life on the line no one even watches

and no one even watches this shit like Andy Cohen doesn't even invite me on Watch What Happens Live that's so funny that's shocking that Dallas can't

did they even get a reunion produce a Good Housewives did they did oh yeah is it even Did they even continue the season or did they just stop? They just stopped. Nobody knew? I'm learning for the first time

that this franchise exists. Did they get a reunion? If you have to ask, it's a bad show. You would think Dallas would be good. Canceled. To be fair, they got four seasons. They did? They had that, yeah. That's news to all of us. you would think Dallas would be good it cancelled get Monica to be fair they got four seasons

they did? they had that that's news to all of us Salt Lake Salt Lake allegedly has two new housewives already?

yeah wow have you seen the rumor of the real housewives of New York and that they're gonna mesh the cast together with like

Luann Sonya and then like Jessel I hope that's true versus the old I hope that's true. Versus the old. I hope that's true. You like it.

Yeah. Interesting. I just feel like the Housewives, if you watched Roni Legacy, I feel like they've like broken like the fourth wall to the fullest where they're like, well, our season, our series is the number one that I'm like, it'll be interesting to see these people who are kind of like living as if it's in their past. And these people who just got onto the show being like well i'm gonna go look at this apartment well i remember season two in my apartment andy cohen put me on pause dorinda's on it too i want every

reality tv show to stop pretending that they're not tv shows and stop pretending that the internet doesn't exist and embrace the fact that these shows go beyond the shows itself and lean into it, which I think would make it more authentic because it would allow, we always like the bachelor. It's like, we know everything they're doing. We know what they're aiming for. We know the social media aspect,

but they're all pretending that's not part of the equation and they're not, you know, and I think it would just be more authentic if all these shows just embraced that it's 2024. I think Vanderpump has to do that this season. That's what I'm liking about it is like they actually have to acknowledge that these things have happened in the world. But in like a Bachelor reference to that, though, like if a girl got on there on an interview and was like, listen, I've got 20,000 followers. It'd be kind of dope to get to 60. And if I find love, that would be cool.

Like you don't think she'd be home, sent home. No, she would. But I think it would create other conversations and allow it to just be named and I just think it would because like I hate the pretending that we're not talking about the thing that everyone knows is existing right okay okay yeah I think that's a nice add a nice dynamic I think you're right like I feel like I've watched the same season 20 times now and once the shock value goes off like I can't believe she said that, then it's like, oh, we kind of allow it to like normalize and not be penalized for it. Yeah. Like, I worry that I'm not going to get any good tea this season. I worry I'm not going to get Zach crying to Jesse that he

had sex with somebody while Jesse looks at him like he has three heads. Like, bro, that's what you're here for. I don't want to tell you. Like you like i feel like i'm not gonna get that this year well i heard from people in the know that and they told me that this season ends in a way that's never happened before and they gave me the actually it's true not the jesse palmer chris harrison you've never seen this before but we all have they told me that i don't know what it is, and they were serious about it. Maybe they were just hoping I would say this very thing on this show.

But we'll see. We'll see if it holds true. But they claim, you know, per the ending that we saw at the beginning of the season, that whatever happens is jaw-dropping. So we'll see. They actually get engaged at the end right they actually last i just i miss the rush of clayton and all these girls crying in a very

echoey room i miss it i stopped watching because i answer because i just want an engagement at the end i'm like i used to be sucked in because i was like there's no way this type of experiment could work. And then when they get engaged, I don't care if you guys break it off three months from now, but like at least like

let me play into the fantasy because I did not watch you guys date 20 people. Well, I think the goal of the show is to lean more into the love. Yeah.

So we'll see if that happens. I want to rock on a finger. Well, I think it's a great place to end it. Let's go have a baby. Oh my God. You're're gonna be so great i i wish i could help more well i asked you to try out my breast pump last night and you

refused so that's she wanted me to milk myself last night on on your nipple i wanted him to feel what i was gonna have to feel which is fair and i said i would feel what I was going to have to feel, which is fair. And I said, I would do it. I'm like, I have to go through so much and you have to go through nothing. Like the least you can do is put this little pump on your nipple and just like, let it tug on it.

That's how I feel about sex. You do it first. Yeah. Sorry to make that such a disgusting reference. Cause your baby's beautiful. I'm like, I have to go through this. Why don't't you do you want me to do that today before we go in there's a lot that i would love i i want to strap a watermelon or couple to you and okay see how you can tie your shoes or pick something off the ground but i've never doubted that it's hard

no no i know that i just want to watch you. Me suffer. Yeah. Okay. Am I allowed to ask about, like, has your water broken? No, they're going to break it. So that's why you're getting induced. Yeah. They're going to, what I've heard, they're going to put a Foley balloon in my cervix and blow it up

to dilate me to like four centimeters. You're getting like the, what is it, epidural? I will be getting an epidural. I would love, yeah. Bless you. You know. We're taking all the advice from our doctors.

I don't need to be, I don't need to be a brave, my mom did four, no drugs, and like, I don't need to be her. Your mom should go on special forces. Literally. Literally. There's nothing she can't do. She did it, I don't need to. You know, I can tell my daughter that her grandma did it i don't need to you know i can tell

my daughter that her grandma did it with no drugs damn wow you know i'm saying give me it all give me everything yeah yeah amen well you're gonna be great i believe in modern medicine heck yeah ladies thanks so much for joining thank you guys for having me can you please plug all the things that you would like to plug uh yeah you can follow me and our show at girls gotta eat podcast we talk about sex dating relationships every week it's a comedy show really fun it's great and i thank you nick's been on it his episode is great and uh my instagram is reina.greenberg and you can follow me on instagram and tiktok at crc I talk pop culture, fashion, and skincare beauty. And also www.crcrobinson.com for my blog.

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