The Viall Files - E704 Going Deeper with Denise Richards Plus First Days of Fatherhood, Grammy’s, and Gypsy Rose vs. RBG

Episode Date: February 8, 2024

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what's going on everybody welcome back to another fantastic episode of the vol 5's going deeper edition i am your host nick i'm a dad it's a different nick these days that sounded weird but either way i'm a dad i'm super excited uh my loving fiance natalie is um home with our beautiful daughter river and doing quite well um. So it's me in the household right now. We got the crew of Sweet Boy Justin and Leia with us. Allie is with some family in Minnesota. The rest of the household is grinding their way in.

What should we call where you guys are operating on? The edit bay. We've talked about this because originally you said minions. Which isn't derogatory but I was just like like hmm it's a bit condescending the house nah they're cooking in the kitchen i was gonna say the kitchen and then i was like i like the kitchen i like the kitchen cooking in the kitchen that's pretty good anyway we have another banger and an interview today i told you guys we weren't lying when we started 2024. And this episode is no different. The iconic Denise Richards is with us. And we couldn't be more excited. She was absolutely lovely. I don't want to give too much away. Other than the fact that like, she was just like so fun to have around i mean like when you have a someone like denise richards who's been in hollywood for

i don't know how many years has had the type of success in hollywood that she's had and we get into that you know has been in high profile relationships you don't really know what to expect right you know you don't know what kind of diva could show up and even if a diva shows up you're kind of like well you know you're denise richards so yeah um she had such a motherly presence yes and like i'm a mama's boy so when she came in i was like she was so you know she she talks a little bit not to give too much away about being from the midwest and it like it came through i know that was my takeaway but we had so much fun with denise again we don't want to spoil the interview we'll let you guys listen to it but um it was great to have her we really enjoyed it and i'm excited for you guys to listen to it i don't want to give too much away about like obviously the arrival of our

daughter river because i want to do that with natalie you know and i i don't want to speak for natalie's experience and and when it comes to our experience as a couple, as parents, I want to save that for when Natalie returns, which is TBD. I think it'll be hopefully sooner than later, but we're lucky enough to have family around. But right now she's focused on just recovery and being the amazing mother that she is. Honestly, that's the only thing I really want to say. It's just like how in awe I am of Natalie and just how amazing she is as a mom. And just watching her,

I was in such awe of how she went through the whole delivery process. And, you know, as a mom now, and just, it's so like, she's so hot. Like I've never been more turned on by her than I am seeing her being a mom.

It says, I'm just so proud of her. I just think she's been so incredible and it's been so fun to watch. And I'm just like, I'm just really proud of her. Yeah. She did that. She really did that.

And our daughter is so beautiful. She's beautiful. I was fully prepared. You didn't know what to expect. You don't know how she's going to come out. And honestly, who knows how she's going to turn out? You know, she's a little larva right now. I got that from Rumor Willis called me last night to catch up.

And Rumor is a new mom as well. And she referenced the larva stage. I'm like, that's great. Because she really, I mean, she really is. It's just a little baby like larva girl i didn't really know what to expect you know but as soon as she came out like i mean as soon as she came out and like every day that every day she changes but like i was like oh my god you're stunning like she's a pretty baby yeah she's so pretty objectively too like you're the dad so of course you're gonna say that but no yeah objectively beautiful but i will say i don't usually find

babies cute but when you sent the picture in the chat i was like it's a little baby it's like i really the only question is like does she sign with like ford or wilhelmina like oh true i don't so many choices but uh you, all jokes aside, um, we're just happy. She's, she's doing great. And, um,

congratulations. Thank you. You know, it's from a dad, like just on my own side of things. Um, it's been great. Like it was kind of fun.

You know, we were at the hospital for, um, you know, a couple of nights and we're food snobs. So, you know, we're not,

we weren't eating hospital food. So I would always like go out and get breakfast lunch and dinner and bring it back to the hotel bring it back to the hospital close enough close enough and um every like i'd always see like other what i presumed were dads so i'd be like you know one of us would all kind of say hi like oh you uh new dad you know so that was always kind of fun and then i met one guy in the elevator and I think I said something to him, kind of like new dad or, and then we'd ask each other and he looked so familiar. I was like, man, that motherfucker like looks familiar. And then last night I got a DM and I don't know if you

guys, how big of sports fans you are, but Walker buehler uh of the la dodgers he's the pitcher for the la dodgers very very good is kershaw not the still the pitch uh i don't know if kershaw still plays with the dodge dodgers uh he's kershaw's uh at the end of his career if it's not i don't know if he's retired i don't know but walker buehler uh stud pitcher it was that was him and he sent a d DM and he's like, was that you in the elevator at Cedars? And I'm like, motherfucker, yeah. So that was kind of funny.

Congratulations to him and his, I don't know if he's married or engaged, partner or whatever. Congratulations to that couple. And I think, I believe they had a daughter as well. But that was, that was really kind of fun for me just to see other dads and kind of like, I didn't really get to know any of them,

but just that bonding experience was pretty cool. an unspoken yeah right we're bonded for life now yeah just knowing that like our kids were all born you know either on the same day or just like the same time um and it's been like raining here in la so that was kind of cozy and fun to like come home to just like rain and just chill and uh and sit but it's a sample into like the future dad clubs that you'll be joining where you like walk the strollers together in the morning totally because like yeah even with that like i i i told them i was like hey man like you know if you want to pass your ladies information out like we're definitely like we're definitely in the market for like cool

parents because our whole future is going to be uh we're going to be hanging out with whoever our kids are making friends with and they we kind of make sure they don't suck they could be going to the same school yeah so we're we're we're in the market for sure exciting yeah i could go on and on but i'm i'm gonna wait for for natalie to to get into the nitty-gritty what do we have what's been going on in the world before we get to denise did you watch the grammys i watched uh a lot of it not all of it a lot of drama uh killer mike got arrested and then we had uh taylor made a big announcement you had the tracy chapman that to me that was the moment of the night when tracy chapman came and performed i don't know how familiar you all are of tracy chapman but a little bit fast cars Cars. It's Natalie's favorite song. It's my mom's favorite song.

It's just an iconic song. It's so good. And then modern day, like Luke Holmes, country star, excellent musician. He made it popular for Gen Z and modern fans, but it's been an iconic song forever. And Tracy Chapman hasn't performed in a long time. That was amazing. That was nostalgic

for me. And then a lot of Taylor drama, not shocking. Everyone's just always trying to like, as famous as she is and as many fans as she has, like, you know, when you're that big and people are just always looking

for something to nitpick. You know, there was the whole Celine Dion drama, people accusing her of ignoring her. And it's just like, every little beat is like people are watching every little move she's making.

It's so fucking annoying. Yeah, they're very critical. Because they're looking for something to little move she's making. It's so fucking annoying. Yeah, they're very critical. Because they're looking for something to bring her down. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. It's super annoying. But Justin had a good point about that Celine Dion thing with the stiff.

Yeah. I mean, I don't know too much about it, but people were saying that because she, Taylor posted a picture with Celine after she walked the stage, but she didn't hug her on the stage. So people were just assuming that maybe it was like the stiff person's disease thing that Celine has right now. Maybe. Or she was like respecting the space because you don't know what's gonna happen maybe yeah yeah who knows the reason or maybe maybe in that moment she forgot i don't know maybe she was like taylor swift is still a human being who gets swept up in emotions and winning awards and like yeah maybe it was just an honest mistake it certainly

wasn't uh a diss if not like taylor swift throughout the grammys was the only one who was always standing and like cheering them on cheering along every goddamn performer but no no taylor swift is going to take her opportunity while winning best album of the year to publicly diss celine dion no like that's just fucking stupid so you'd have to assume that taylor swift someone who is highly strategic and intelligent would do that why what's the motivation that's just fucking dumb that's just haters hating for no fucking reason um yeah i mean speaking of haters hating kelsey bellarini was also someone that kind of had

like backlash. Yeah. She had to respond. So like just from like a reaction because she's like a reaction, which easily could have been out of context. Again, I guess most people haven't been to these types of award shows. I haven't been to many, but they're fucking boring, to be honest. They're boring.

Like, and especially if you're a celebrity who's been to multiple ones of these, you're thinking about God knows what you could have, you know, in that moment, she might have been thinking about what she has to do tomorrow. Maybe someone's like, oh shit, I got it. I got this on Tuesday. And that popped into her head. And then there's a camera. At that moment.

In that moment, you know, like me, my fucking like absent minded, like brain who's constantly God only knows what i'm thinking out at any given moment like oh no but i'm sorry every celebrity needs to be super present and honor whatever is going on on stage because whatever fan of that celebrity god what is it about music fans are the they're the most kind of you know they're the most toxic music fans it seems the fan bases of like artists music artists seem to be the most yeah toxic and by toxic you mean the most like aggressive uh in terms of defending you know the people they're fans of or just creating drama they're the most dramatic it's because they want to say like my artist is like the better artist so it's like a superiority

thing why can't we just enjoy it all yeah well and like Kelsey had said, like a woman's win is a team win. Why, like write about that instead. So yeah, I don't, they choose the drama versus like the celebration, which is interesting. And no one's going out there being like, I can't like a Taylor Swift song because I like a Selena Gomez song.

I mean, I, you know, Selena and Taylor are good friends, so maybe their fan bases are an alliance, but whatever it is, I don't know. Olivia Rodrigo. Yeah, like who gives a shit? I mean, it's so fucking dumb. Well, congrats to Taylor. their fan bases are an alliance but whatever it is i don't know olivia rodrigo yeah like who gives a shit i mean it's so fucking dumb well congrats to taylor congrats to taylor yeah people even gave her shit for bringing trying to bring lana del rey up on stage with her because lana

was also nominated in the same category but like she worked on the album and like they're friends they arrived to like snow on the beach yeah yeah i would love to get lana on the show oh i really would i one time went to like a random karaoke thing and she just happened to be there and like came up on stage like when somebody was doing one of her songs the first time i saw lana del rey was at lalapalooza in like 2014 i didn't even know i'd never heard of her and she was performing on one of the smaller stages. She wasn't as like big as she was then.

I mean, people freaked out as you know, because I was like, we got to go see Lana Del Rey. I was like, who's Lana Del Rey? And they're like,

how do you not know? And then we went. I was like immediately just in awe. She's amazing. Like in love with her music. And I, you know,

because it was such a vibe. It was such, it was like, and I started listening to her music constantly. It was like one of those shows you see and discover an artist and the next three weeks you're like, you're started listening to her music constantly. It was like one of those shows you see and discover an artist, and the next three weeks, you're just playing other songs on repeat.

So I definitely had a Lana Del Rey moment. Now she's headlining Coachella. I know, and I can't go. I'm so mad that the Coachella lineup is, no, actually it wasn't the Coachella. She's also headlining some other, there were three major headlines, and I'm like, fuck, this looks... And it wasn't Coachella?

It wasn't Coachella. It was... Hangout Fest. What's Hangout Fest? Well, who is... Let me see. Who's performing at Hangout Fest? SZA.

No, that'd be good. Love. SZA's great. Love. Congratulations to her, by the way. Yeah. Zach Bryan and... Chainsmokers, Odessa.

Odessa, yeah. Zach Bryan, Odessa, and Lana Del Rey. So Hangout Fest. Three awesome headliners. Oh my God. Whoa. her by the way yeah zach bryan and chain smokers odessa odessa yeah zach bryan odessa and lana del rey it's a hangout fest three awesome headliners oh my god whoa i know alabama maybe i should go wait why can't you go we'll see we're having too much fun with our daughter it's just the fucking coolest you may not want to go i fucking love some people bring their babies to festivals have you seen that and they give them the little headphones but it's scary yeah we're not we're not those parents now and i will still i'm sure have fun and we're very lucky and fortunate to be able to either have help because of family or afford help so uh we're very lucky that way

but no i'm not bringing my fucking toddler to a festival yeah like i wouldn't either what is this about uh taylor swift Swift threatening legal action? We all know that Taylor Swift flies her private jet pretty often. Because she can't fly commercial. Yeah, she really can't. There's a junior at a university of Central Florida. He's known for tracking celebrities and their

routes with their private jets. Essentially, Taylor Swift's team is threatening legal action. And they're saying it's for a constant state of fear for her personal safety so she doesn't like that she's being tracked i wouldn't either if i was taylor swift you know because obviously it always leads to these uh other harassment when it comes to flying jets and the fuel emissions and things like that and i'm all for keeping our earth beautiful and clean but i fly in planes too um and every situation is different she probably won't win because there's it's public information but in america for better or worse anyone can sue anyone for anything and so to me this is taylor

swift you know flexing her muscles a little bit, being like, leave me the fuck alone. Because, like, she may not win, but she can use her vast amount of resources. If she sues this guy, he will have to defend himself somehow. It will be costly for him. Well, and I think she would win in, like, the public eye. Yeah. Because she has such a big fan base. Well, I think it's just more

about getting him to stop and making it costly for him. He doesn't have to lose for it to be costly. Yeah, I think he'll just go away at a certain point. It's annoying. Yeah. I know Taylor Swift chose to be a public figure. I get it.

But that doesn't mean she has to give up all amount of privacy. That doesn't mean that we should just be able to harass her. I wonder how many people try to sue her. Who knows? I don't know. But, I mean, she truly has, feels like unlimited resources. So, like, if I'm, just counter-sue.

Well, I guess she's suing him, right? She's suing him. Right, okay. But, yeah, I mean, any celebrity, you know. It's a big fight regardless. Yeah. Yeah. Good for her for defending herself.

I mean, I'm not a litigious person, but that must be frustrating. You know? She deserves some privacy. There are bigger problems in the world than focusing on where Taylor Swift is flying and how much fuel her jet's losing. That is not the biggest problem our world is

facing today and never will be. Honestly, if that's the hill you want to die on, then you're not doing the world any favors. You're just being petty. That's it. That's your way of being toxic and trying to feel righteous about it. People do it all the time. People find righteous endeavors as excuses to be petty and toxic and dramatic all the time. And that's all this guy's doing. He doesn't give a shit about anyone else but himself. And it is not because he cares about the environment

or the world or a better place. There are so many more meaningful things this person could be investing his energy in to making the world a better place, even when it comes to the environment, than stalking Taylor Swift's flight plans. See, there you go. There you go.

Did you see that Bachelor Joey? Oh, yeah, I saw that. What an L for Joey. For those of you who don't know, who did the interview? I'm reading this from People Magazine, at least. But he confused Gypsy Rose Blanchard for being Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

Yeah, that's definitely an L. That's an L. Not because he didn't know who Gypsy Rose Blanchard for being Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Yeah, that's definitely an L. That's an L. Not because he didn't know who Gypsy Rose is. I mean, which we'll forgive him for that. I mean, she is super famous right now, Gypsy Rose, and super relevant friend of show. But Ruth Bader Ginsburg, she is a. To so many women of this country. And to be The Bachelor, a show that is primarily an audience of women, and to confuse that hero by so many people, which is heroes, not a...

They also just don't look alike. No. I don't think he was confused. Is that what it was? Or did I like? I think he more so mixed up their names. I don't think he like saw.

So who do you think was who? Did he think a former Supreme Justice was named Gypsy Rose? Or did he think someone who killed their mom via Munchhausen was named Ruth Bader Ginsburg?

Oh no. Like which one was it? Let's see. We famously had Katie Thurston on. This was long before any of you guys. This was long before

the household even existed. It might have been, I wish Allie was on, it might have been right, no, Allie and Amanda were with us. I know this because Amanda selected the questions.

But we used to play this game called Do You Know Me? It's a fun, like, it's like Cards Against Humanity. It's more fun like uh it's like uh cards against humanity it's it's more one of those like card games that you get together at a dinner party and you ask like random questions do you know me have you ever like done this have you ever done

that random questions and one of the questions that amanda selected was can you name five countries in africa oh this is scary you should know can you name five can you name five countries in africa five kenya jakarta okay egypt madagascar of all the all the countries in africa of which there are many most of which i don't know like i'm not trying to be like some sort of like geography king here see this is a scary game too though because when you're put on the spot with a question sometimes it's like my whole brain just forgot like I don't know my name anymore. I mean Natalie's terrible at geography but anyways. I'm bad at anything

when I'm put on the spot like that with like a question. I will say so I looked it up what Joey's situation was so it was part of a how online are you segment and the interviewer pulled up a picture of Gypsy and said who is this and he said I don't know who this person is is it ruth no is it

ginsburg ginsburg something like that so he saw a picture of gypsy and was like that's ruth oh that's even worse or it's just they don't look well he has no idea who he's heard the name ruth bader ginsburg and had no idea the impact that she was a Supreme Court justice. No offense to Gypsy, but that picture does not look like a Supreme Court justice. It looks like a 20-something, 30-something-year-old. Did he think it was an old photo, maybe? No. No.

Well, an older photo would be even younger Gypsy. Right. But anyways, so we had Katie on. That was one of the questions. Katie couldn't name it and she uh i didn't think it was that big of a deal honestly but the audience bachelor nation reacted came for her they came for her hard i felt bad of all the things i don't know if that was something to come at katie for but um yeah people can be mean about that i wonder how much he's he's joey's getting for it i guess we'll see yeah he was an educated man you know he was doing so well

too like he was really you know in the grand scheme of things not getting too much hate like everyone loves him does it ruin like does it take any like is he just as he solidified himself as just a mimbo? Listen, I didn't think he was the most intelligent person before. But we didn't really know. We didn't know. We had no idea. He's well-spoken. He did say, I don't know what I'm saying.

So I don't know if that changes your perspective. Self-awareness is a sign of intelligence. I don't know a lot of fucking things. And no, that doesn't mean he's not smart or not smart. It's just a bad, it's a bad look. But him being a tennis player, tennis is a, it's a rich person's sport. And people with monies implies like the privilege of education. So there's that.

The fact that he's a big time tennis player is less of an excuse for him to not know. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah. It's an L. It's an L for Joey. It makes him seem like more of a mimbo than maybe a well-rounded bachelor. Yeah. I think at the end of the day, though, he's still, I still love him.

Which honestly makes me feel good because at the end of the day, it just means that humans, not just men, at the end of the day are just superficial. There is no greater privilege in this world than pretty privilege yeah it's not the only one but being rich famous and attractive there that is a privilege like none other and joey is uh experiencing it well i think it's time to get to denise how about what do you guys think um very excited for you guys to listen to this episode. We'll break it down next Tuesday. Next Tuesday, we have an amazing guest, the one and only Diablo

Cody is with us. You may know her. She was the writer, Oscar winning writer for the movie Juno. That was very popular back like 10 or so years ago. She has a new movie coming out that she wrote. Lisa Frankenstein saw it. It's amazing. It's the same quality that you can come to expect from an Oscar

winning writer. She is with us. She's also a big pop culture and reality TV fan. There was a time back in the day that my agents were trying to get Diablo Cody to maybe develop a podcast show with me and her. I don't even know if Diablo knows that. It could have just been our team stalking. I knew that. It never happened. So full circle, full circle. But she is with us next week on Reality Recap. We'll be breaking down episode two of Vanderpump, Bachelor, Traders. We'll get into some Housewives. I don't know what shit's going to go on in pop culture role, but if it does, we'll be talking about that as well. Uh, anything else before we,

uh, jump into things next week on going deeper, we have the iconic reality TV queen herself. J wow is with us. And that is also a banger of an episode. So much fun talking with J wow. Uh, I really,

really enjoyed that conversation. What a delightful human she is. Like we recorded, uh, just before, uh, we had our daughter, River. Oh, which by the way, turns out River, super popular name these days. Madden, who was a guest on Reality Recap not too long ago, she DM'd me. She had her son a few weeks ago named her son River. Apparently it's like a popular boy's name. And I said to her, there were

like a couple of parents in the 80s who thought they were super hip and trendy when they named their kid Tracy and Nick. Like, there were like seven Nicks in grade school when I grew up. So, whatever. We love the name. It's a beautiful name. Yeah, River Rose. Rose is after Natalie's grandmother. We just love her.

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Welcome to the Vow Files. Did I scare you? No, not at all. We are so excited to have you, Denise. Oh, thank you. I'm so excited to be here. You might be one of the more iconic guests I think we've ever had. Oh, really?

Thank you. I'm not even trying to gas you up. That's very kind of you. And we've had some iconic guests, but you might be one of the most iconic. You're very kind. Thank you for saying that. I've been a fan of yours since Starship Troopers. Before you were born.

No, no. What year were you born? 80. I'm older. Well, thank born. No, no. What year were you born? 80. I'm older. Well, thank God, though, I did that after 1980. Yes. Yes. No, I mean, like, you're a Bond girl.

You're a Bond girl. I am a Bond girl. Do you walk into places and just remember that you're a Bond girl all the time? No. Really? Do you know what's funny? What? So I auditioned for it a couple of times and then I had to do my screen test in London

over Thanksgiving. And my family, I'm very close to my parents. And at the time, my mom was still here. And so it was over Thanksgiving. And so my dad came with me to London while I screen tested for it. And I screen tested for it in London and, you know, over Thanksgiving and then went back to back home and whatever and then got it. I had never seen a Bond movie. Really? Until after I was cast in it. I didn't understand the gravity of it

when I did get the role. Yeah. So when you got asked to screen test for a James Bond movie, a Pierce Brosnan James Bond movie, you didn't even fully appreciate the scope of what you were auditioning. It wasn't that I didn't appreciate it. I didn't understand the scope of it.

For me, it was an actress that was like, okay, I'm going in to screen tests because I had a screen test for Starship Troopers at the time when I got that movie, which I did before Bond. which I did before Bond. And then I had done a screen test for a couple other projects. And so I did not know the magnitude of that movie. So after I was cast and it was on the news and stuff, I would ask my, I asked my agent, I'm like, why is this on the news that I'm a Bond girl? why is this on the news that I'm a Bond girl? And he's like, oh my God. So I learned quickly. Did your dad know what you were screen testing for?

Like, was he aware of the magnitude of it or not really? Yes, but I don't think he wanted to let me know that. Oh my God. Yeah, that's true. And screw up my audition. He's like, I have mixed feelings about this because I loved every Bond girl. Oh, I'm nervous. Yeah, that's true. And screw up my audition. He's like, I have mixed feelings about this because I loved every Bond girl. Yeah, so,

exactly. Oh yeah, I learned later. There was some Bond girl that was in a Playboy magazine that my dad told me later. So, I learned that later,

but yes. That's awesome. And then I saw the Bond movies after I was cast and learned that it was a big deal. What was that experience like? It was the most incredible experience ever in my career. And I'm so grateful and so blessed that I can say that I'm a Bond girl.

And so I was cast. And then we filmed it quickly and it came out quickly. When people say like with fame, it happens overnight. It doesn't. You work your tushy off, but the one job can change it being overnight success. You know that. Yeah. So like you worked your ass off.

I'm a little different just because i think i came from the reality tv space where you your experience reality tv came after long after you are already an icon you know which is not the same for a lot of your peers but for me being the bachelor it's a little overnight because it's overnight yeah that's a little overnight right in your case yeah you were like a working actor who grinded and you probably had a million auditions, had been rejected, all these things. And to your point, from your perspective, when you got the Bond opportunity, you had been working in the business for how long? Like how many years, how many auditions do you think you had? So when I did Bond, I was 28 years old and I was.

I was 28 years old and I was, but before that I, Starship Troopers had already been out, which some people knew who I was from that and wild things from that too. But when it hits, it's like that part is what's overnight. It's not the daily grind. Yeah. You know? So like when. When you have a hit. Yeah. that it's overnight yeah no i get when people like with you being on the bachelor yeah you felt like i was telling overnight success yeah is over when you can tell when an episode airs the next day you feel the energy of your season premiering when you're the bachelor. Yeah. Yeah.

People knew who you were. It's worldwide. Yeah. And that's the part that's overnight. Correct. Yeah. Right. For sure.

And it's a, it's a whole, uh, it's a very different experience, right? That's crazy. How did you handle it? Yeah. What was that like for you? It's funny because people always, I'm sure you may have felt this, is that people will say the person changes, but sometimes it's the people around you change. I have found that the most. Yeah.

It's always like the cousins get weird. The cousins you didn't know you had. Or you were like close, but like all of a sudden they're like exactly hitting you up or the aunt and uncle who like you never really paid much attention to is always like hey so how's it going how was it for you very similar to that yeah it was uh because when you came on to the bachelor were you coming on to the bachelor to find love or were you coming on to get into the business? Neither. I was, I mean, I was open to love. I was, I came for the experience. I, at the time I was living in Chicago, selling software. Whereabouts in Chicago?

West Loop. I'm from Downers Grove. Oh, really? Nice. Locals. A couple of Midwest kids, you know. Midwest. Pay no attention now. Sorry, I'll see myself out. Yeah. So I went for the experience. I thought it'd be cool to travel. I had at that point, I had never been to L.A. I just was like, oh, this will be cool. And then after I had been on the show a few times, that's when I decided to take a chance on moving out to L.A. and seeing if I could make a career out in this town.

It must have been so overwhelming, though, for you coming from there and not planning on getting into a business that's so public. Yeah, I mean, it was very, well, I also was kind of the villain at first. So I had a hell of a first. Which is hard. Tough got a lot of criticism but it helped it actually i think it helped prepared me for the bullshit that comes with the thing i i find i'm sure you too with that is how it affects your family and your loved ones and your friends, right? Yeah. There are some people, I got really lucky. My immediate family, my closest friends, they didn't change. They just treated me like I did before, which I really appreciated. So I was lucky, but yes, I did notice some people weren't always the same. Some people got weird. How did you deal with that?

I'm pretty good at ignoring people. Yeah. And just compartmentalizing. Yeah. I would just brush it off. And keeping true to who you are. I'm sure that caused some people to say things behind my back or say things like, oh, Nick's different. Oh, he thinks he's such a this or that. I'm sure that was said.

I don't know because I'm pretty good at just ignoring the noise. I think that's the best way to go through it. Was Bond the most memorable movie you ever made? Well, it's so funny because a lot of people ask me about the movies I've done. And for me, the most memorable is Starship Troopers. Because for me, I remember the behind the scenes. And how fun it is when we're on set and all of us on Starship Troopers,

we were all at the same level of our career and I'm still friends with- It's a really young cast. Yeah, and we were still very good friends and very close. So we were all at the same level and we just were very appreciative and very grateful that we were working. So I think that's the one that I always have the fondest memories because it was a six month shoot. And I'll never forget this one. We all did get cast. It was like,

you're going to be working on this movie for six months. And we were all like, oh my God, we have a job for six months. We were so excited, you know? And we really genuinely were and we just had so much fun. So I think that's one of the most fun, most memorable experiences that I have on a movie. My favorite of yours is Drop Dead Gorgeous, which I feel like doesn't get the credit it deserves it's that is such a great movie thank you so much i don't think we couldn't make it today she said that to me literally yesterday she's like they couldn't make that movie today couldn't they absolutely couldn't but it is so good thank you for saying that We won't mention some of those scenes because I think we couldn't. Yeah, you have to watch it with a, you know, skeptical.

There was a scene I did that the background left during the scene. And that was hard for me to see. Oh, no. I'll tell you off. Oh, no. I'll tell you off. Oh, no. Off the record. Off the air. If people Google it, they'll see.

But it's like you can't even talk about it anymore because you'll get in trouble. Oh, my gosh. I mean, but that was an iconic cast. Thank you. We had so much fun. And I'm from Illinois. Yeah. We had so much fun.

And I'm from Illinois. And I have an aunt that lives in Minnesota and Michigan and Indiana and everything. So I had so much fun on that movie, too. It was amazing. We had a good time. How many covers have you been on of magazines? Do you know? Too many to count, Nicholas. Literally.

Do we know, Allie, how many? Can we get a running tab? Can we get a running tab? Do a little search. Are you really going to do a search? We have to. Okay, thank you. If you had to estimate, what would you say?

I don't even know. Okay. I would say over 200. Know what the best is? Like, yeah, she doesn't know. Even if it's shitty magazines. I'm not saying like magazines that my publicist

got me a cover on. Oh, yeah. If we're doing, we're doing it all. I was kind of meaning that, but you're right. You probably ended up on like a speakly user.

I'm talking about the like, you know. The tabloids? No, I'm talking about like Cosmopolitan. In style. The good magazines. Yeah, the good magazines. Yeah, the good ones.

The ones you want to be on the cover of. But the ones I don't want to be on a cover of, I have no idea. It's bad. But do you know how many good covers you've been on the cover of? That I don't know. See, you still don't know. No. So many. Too many.

Too many. That's a flex, though. That is a flex. That's my point. Well, I only bring this up because this season you've been on Beverly Hills Housewives. But sadly, the magazines aren't even. They don't. Yeah.

They don't have the same clout. But thank you for asking me. Well, even cooler that you did it because nowadays they don't even exist. That moment. I mean, they kind of exist. I am that. There's like magazines that don't exist. Did you like go out and buy and keep maybe to show your kids?

My mom did. Your mom did. My mom kept everything. It actually was uncomfortable. Like when I would go to a grocery store and I would see myself. It's bizarre to see yourself on the cover of a magazine because I'm in sweats and then I don't look like that. People are like, um. Are you?

Is that you? Having a bad day? Very different. Exactly. Yeah. Very different. I'm very different. For me, it was, that's the image.

That wasn't who I am at heart. Like I'm a Midwestern girl. I love animals. I am at heart. Like I'm a Midwestern girl. I love animals. I'll sit on the floor with the dogs and the cats and pigs and stuff like that. And so to see myself looking all dressed up and glamorous, it was wonderful as an actress, especially when I was younger, but it's a very different image of that was the image that wasn't. I loved doing that. I love getting glamorous and doing all of that. But I also love being home and, you know, a different lifestyle than that. That's I kind of feel the same way. I grew up on a farm in Georgia, an animal farm. Whenever I go back there,

it's like that I feel my true self. I feel like the happiest. I feel home, yeah. And here it's like, I joke to Nick that like, we're gonna tell our daughter that we work in LA, but we're from the Midwest and South. Because to have- A valley girl.

Where are you gonna live when your baby is born? We live in the valley right now. So we will have a daughter that says she's born and raised in LA. And you're going to stay here. For now. We are lucky enough to have some property in Wisconsin. Wisconsin.

We're about some Wisconsin. Well, I grew up outside of Milwaukee and then I recently just bought my grandfather's lake house that we lost. My grandma is from Hayward. Okay. So I spent many summers in Wisconsin. There you go. And many lakes.

Yeah. Yeah. So you're, you have, that's amazing. Yeah, family. And we just, we have some lake property that we'll definitely want to like spend as much time as possible. That's the best. Oh, it's the absolute best.

You have the best of both worlds. Yeah. That you're able to come here and work and then be able to go there. Yeah. We feel very lucky. We're excited. That's amazing.

Yeah. Yeah. So where's your family? Wisconsin. Your family's in, all of your family's in Wisconsin? I have a couple, I have 10 siblings. Okay. Hold on a second.

I knew you were going to need a moment for that. I am. Yeah. From? Same parents. From your mama. 11 kids. She birthed 11 children. God bless her.

And she looks great. And they're still together. Still together. Oh, that's amazing. Living on the lake. That's amazing. I'm going to ask you about yours. The South.

So Alabama and Georgia are majority where my family is. So they must be beyond excited with grandbaby. Yes. It's my mom's first grandbaby. Oh my gosh, really? Yeah. She's so excited. Oh, that's incredible.

I know. She's basically like moving in on Wednesday, basically, kind of. She's going to come on Wednesday Wednesday, basically kind of. Yep. She's going to come on Wednesday. And you're going to be so grateful. Natalie and I are incredibly, when it comes to in-laws, we're so lucky because both of her mom specifically and my parents are the best kind of parents where like they're there if you need.

But they step back. But they're not there to tell you what to do, share their unsolicited opinion, be judgmental. They're just there. They just blend in. How can we help? And they're grateful to be involved.

And so they're like the best possible parents. Yeah, we got lucky in that department. I'm so happy for you. Thank you. We'll need all the parenting advice you can give. You got any? Was your first a girl? Yeah, I have three girls. Three girls.

Okay. So how was it? First girl. My best advice is the best gift you can give your child is time. And my mom said to me, because being raised in Illinois and, you know, at the time, our daughters that I had with Charlie were with Charlie Sheen. So, you know, they were being born into a whole different environment than how I grew up. And it must have been a struggle. It was a struggle. And plus, I filed for divorce with our second daughter when I was six months pregnant, which was very difficult. But my mom also said, you need to let go of the picket fence. What did she mean by that? I grew up differently than our daughters. Yeah. So the idea of what you thought.

Yes. The idea, because I was raised in Illinois, small town. I was raised Catholic. We went to church every Sunday. We had dinner on the table every night at 6 p.m., all of that. And it was hard for me being a single working mom in this business. And my kids were being raised in Hollywood before my mom had passed. That was the biggest thing she said to me was to let go of the picket fence that it's okay the white picket fence it's okay to let go of it now that must meant a lot for your mom too because there's always i think pressure for us to like raise our kids the way we were raised because especially if we're grateful for how right how we were brought up too that was the biggest thing because i felt so guilty

that i wasn't raising my kids the way I was raised, you know, weirdly. And things were, some of it was out of your control. Right. So much, obviously, because of what Charlie was going through at the time. And I was getting divorced and it was a shit show and all that crap. How did you get through? I mean, especially when you file for divorce, being pregnant, like what, how did you get through that?

Because truly, I literally can't imagine. I'll never know what it's like to feel pregnant, but I've experienced divorce being pregnant like what how did you get through that because truly I literally can't imagine I'll never know what it's like to feel pregnant but I've experienced Natalie being pregnant and it's not easy obviously and you really need a support system when you're pregnant and you would think you know I'm assuming you relied on Charlie to be that person and he was failing miserably at the time right how did you get through? I had to because I had a one-year-old daughter. Our daughters are 15 months apart. So when our oldest daughter was six months old, I found out I was pregnant with our second. And then six months later, I filed for divorce. And I went to, I'll never forget, we were at the red carpet for the SAG Awards. And it's so funny when sometimes people see celebrities, couples on the red carpet and everyone looks happy.

They have no idea what's going on in the car before you show up or when you leave. I want to do a show about that shit. Before the red carpet carpet all the fucking shit that happens yeah it was like the worst thing but um and then a week later i filed for divorce probably less than that and i was six months pregnant um do you remember what that fight was about like the straw that broke the camel's back? Oh, that wasn't it. That was after many fights.

It was at the end. And like I said, I was six months pregnant. So it had to be pretty bad for me to file for divorce. You know, at that time with a one you know, one year old was very difficult, especially because he was on, you know, a very popular TV show. And, um, it was very difficult for me because I didn't also realize how much my personal life affected my professional life too. And that was hard as well. And being a woman and all of that, it was very difficult. I went through a very difficult time, but I had to do what was best for me and our daughters. We have a great relationship now, but at the time it was incredibly difficult to,

in hindsight, I probably should have filed for divorce after she was born. But I should have done that because the people and the paparazzi and all that, I felt very vulnerable. It was very difficult, actually. It was hard. It's almost like you brought more attention to the problem. I probably should have just gotten through it and dealt with it after. But we're dealt the cards that were dealt. And that was the decision that I made. And for me, what got me through it was knowing I had kids that I wanted to take care of and take care of them. And you just have to do what you have to do. Did you feel like the media or Hollywood chose sides between you and Charlie?

For sure. In the beginning, it was me. They felt bad. And then it flipped for him. And I understand he was at the time on the biggest TV show and all of that. that. But it was difficult, though, for me as a woman and especially trying to keep things private and take care of our kids. But when you have mudslinging and all this shit and crap in the press, it's very, very difficult. It's very hard. I'm very lucky that I had my mom and dad to help me. Yeah. Keep you grounded. kind of yeah well to help protect me

like yeah it's a give you that safe space and and to not read the noise you have to block it all out yeah you can't have someone who's gonna be like oh did you see this someone said about you the cousins who show up you like send you that random article you don't want to look at can you believe this like oh my god and you know know, being pregnant. Could you imagine? No, I truly cannot. Yeah. I mean, everything's intensified so much. Yeah, exactly.

So it's just, you have to block out the noise and protect your family. You just mentioned that you and Charlie in a much better place now. How are you able to get there? For years, we have been. Yeah, what was that process like? Because we talked to a lot of people who unfortunately deal with divorce and, you know, have unhealthy relationships with their

ex-partners, but you were able to fit, you know, you and Charlie were able to mend that. Like, how did you? Charlie and I have a sense of humor about shit. Like even to this day, I could call him on the drive home and say, Oh, you guys asked me. He and I will laugh about dumb ass shit or bad stuff that happens. It's bad. And it's been a very up and down thing. You know, he had another wife after me and I'm friends with her too. And I'm very close to their boys. It's just about doing what's right for the kids. Yeah. You know, did you ever get like an apology that you felt like you deserved from him? I have to think about that. I think I did at some point. Okay. Yeah. Charlie knows I,

here's the thing. Charlie knows he could call me at any time and I will be there. And even during the worst of the worst time when all that shit was going sideways with him, he knew the one person he could count on was me. I would always be there. And he knows that no matter what happens, I'm one that will put shit aside. You've got to suck it up. And it's because I also have an amazing relationship with my dad. So I want to do whatever I can to make him be the best dad he can be. And he knows I'll always be there for him. That's great. Yeah.

That's awesome. It's always nice to hear, you know, when people go through divorce, it can be an ugly time and difficult, but to be able to figure it out and remain friends, especially when there's kids is nice. Cause that's not, not, not everyone's lucky enough to do that. And that's great that you guys, and you probably put in the work. I'm sure it wasn't always easy, but, uh, it's great that you guys were able to do that. It's been very up and down. What is Sammy's middle name? I only ask because Lola, it doesn't say anything.

Okay, so letter J. J? Sam. And it's not Samantha. It's not. It's Sam. Sam. J. Just a letter. Just a letter. Because my mom's name is Joni and Charlie's mom's name is Janet. So we did the letter J. Lola's middle name is Rose. I got to pick that. Rose. I got to pick that. And then... Is she named after anyone? Rose? My great-grandmother. Very cute.

I think this episode will be out by the time our daughter is born. Oh, really? You want to hear our baby's name? Yeah. And we can get a live reaction from Denise Richards. Okay, wait. Hold on. I'm going to take a drink of water before I hear this. Oh my God, I'm excited i get to hear this yes groundbreaking you can say a bit um river rose oh my god i love it rose is after my great

grandmother too oh my god so i saw that and i was like how cute river river rose yeah you like it i love it we have what do you want to talk about your fucking special forces so denise told me uh when we scheduled this that it actually broke my heart that denise was given the opportunity to be on special forces season two that your season i was asked to go on it broke my heart knowing that i could have been in special forces. And you said no. And you said no. Okay. It was a, it was a difficult decision because I really did want to do it.

That would have been so cool. I just didn't know physically if I could do mentally. I feel like I could, it was physically some of this stuff. They weren't fucking around. And that's what I learned. Like they're real. It's real. It's real.

It's very real. And you and I, when I talked to you about it, like the potty situation. Gross. It's gross. I couldn't do that. Yeah.

I'm not going to piss. I didn't. Oh, wait, sorry, what? I, uh,

nature wouldn't let me. Like the thing where you're. I was backed up, Denise. I would be too. There's no way. Hell no. I don't go in a public restroom.

Yeah, my body was like, I tried too. So that's real? Yeah, what do you mean? They don't have like. If you want to go to the bathroom, you have two options. An outhouse that's made of wood that you literally put your bare ass on and splinters might. Or they are like, there are a couple of times where we are out hours away from base. And, you know, a on a second. Your bare ass on it and splinters might, or they are like, there are a couple of times where we are out hours away from base

and a couple of times- There's no craft service area close to where you guys are staying. There's no craft service. I just want to know if this is fake or not. There's no craft service. I actually found out that after I passed or won, whatever you want to call it,

there was, they brought us to where craft service is, but you're not giving access. Okay, wait, hold on a second. It doesn't even feel like you're filming a it. There was. They brought us to where a craft service is. But you're not giving access. It doesn't even feel like you're filming a show. When you are... Okay. So when you sleep where the hell you sleep, you're literally in that wood place

with a blanket. That's it. They don't give you a comforter and like a duvet. No, no. When the cameras shut down, they're not like, here's your fucking duvet. There's no cameras that shut down. And here's your little mattress.

Here's prison food. Here's five minutes to eat. You better. And you have your little snacks. No snacks. No. Oh my God. An eye mask maybe. No masks masks every comfort you could ever imagine

is taken from you and you were how long it's eight days or until you quit i could do eight days it's the potty thing potty things gross the potty thing the food i struggled with too are you a picky eater beyond yeah that's the other thing me too i'm a fucking picky ass eater yeah i uh so what did you do about that? Suffered. What did you eat? Okay, let me ask you. What was your breakfast?

They served every morning fake runny eggs that I wouldn't touch. I couldn't eat those. I wouldn't either. You could get salmonella. That's what I thought. I was like, fuck this. Okay. And then what was the other choice?

Oatmeal and white toast. I could do the oatmeal and white toast i could do the oatmeal i ate oatmeal but on like the sixth day i was so over it i almost like i i threw it up in my mouth had to run outside because i just my body was just so tired of eating this shit okay i i suffered okay it was torture i want to know about lunch same thing wait you get runny eggs no oatmeal no i really do want to know what did you get for lunch because they don't show this shit every once in a while so they did serve like a rotisserie chicken one who cooked it and where did it come from it would like show up in

the it would just show up we would they would tell us dinner's being served and we'd have no lunch i'm asking lunch they would tell us the same same same concept lunch and dinner the same uh no did you just get two meals a day we got three oh you did get three yeah lunch was lunch was i'm sorry if we were like on a mission sometimes we would get like bagged sandwich lunches that were from like a good sandwich shop that you might like that okay i probably would like that so that was pretty good but dinner was like boiled meat and rice. What if you didn't eat it? You starve?

That's it. And I did. Oh my God. Starve. I'm a grazer. There's no snacks all day. You would struggle. There's no snacks?

No grazing. There's no grazing. You can't sneak snacks in your pocket? You could try. Yeah, they would probably take it. Yeah, but look at what happened to Terri. Yeah, I know. She snuck cigarettes. your pocket you could try yeah they'll probably take it yeah but look at what happened to terry yeah i know she's not cigarette i'd be sneaking my little carrots and bananas little almond packets i would yeah no i'm very curious okay can i ask you when you guys wrapped

and you guys go back to the fancy ass hotel yeah and you were in new zealand were the uh the dudes there too and you could hang out and talk to them so no most people who had quit like tara reed was long gone and and brian no the guys like the uh yes a little bit yeah and it was and did you guys hang out like i want to see the behind the scenes of that shit. That was great because they are playing a role. They gave you no pats on the back, no sympathy. And all you wanted was like, what are these guys really like? I know.

That's what I really want to see. Are they actually assholes? What is it like? And that was great to be able to hang out with them. I think they have a good heart, right? Yeah, they're great guys. So you guys did hang out. Once you guys wrapped, you guys all went back to your hotel, your fancy hotel. I didn't get to hang out with them until, so we went back to the hotel.

Because you lasted to the end. Yeah, so me, Aaron, and Tyler, and JoJo were still there. We went out in the town that night because we all left the next day. And then we didn't get to meet or hang out with any of the DSs. Not until like later on when we were promoing the show. So you didn't get to hang out there? Not there, no.

So when you guys were up on the mountaintop and my husband's obsessed with this. There on the mountaintop, that's like those few moments where we're doing that kind of B-roll shots. That was like the first time we got to like see their human side. But then what happens when they say cut?

What do you guys do? Oh, we were just like, yeah, shooting the shit with them. And then what happens? What do you mean? Okay.

You come off the show fucking mountain. Yeah. And then where do you all go? Oh, we went back to the hotel. Yeah. With them. No,

they stayed, they were, they were staying someone else. So we were up on the mountain with them. Yeah. We're doing like, we got to talk with them and got to know them there. But then we rode back to our hotel.

And that was it. That was it. That's sad. But we kept, I mean, we went out to dinner with them. We've kept in touch with them. Dix invited all of them to our wedding. Oh, that's good. Yeah.

You did so good. Thank you. On that show. Thank you. Do you know? Okay, here's my question on that show, because I have a phobia of puking. Why does someone throw up every episode?

Cause they're right. Yeah. I'm like, what the fuck? I, as someone, I can't even watch it sometimes. I'm like,

Oh my God, there's such a phobia of puking, pushing yourself to exhaustion. But why do you throw up to that? I don't get it. That's why I'm asking. What do you eat? I don't know the science behind it, but when I ran track and field back when I was younger,

I would throw up a lot. I would run and my body would be so... Sometimes I would drink water too fast. My body would be kind of in some sort of state of shock. What was the scariest thing you did on there scariest was actually the first thing we did was the uh when we had to walk on that ladder oh my god that was that was actually terrifying because the ladder's wobbling and you're in the sky and it just you have it's it's crazy do you know what looked scary was underwater that was that was the helicopter one the backwards dive scared the

shit out of me that would scare the shit out that scared the shit out of me i was terrified of that because i i don't i can't do a cartwheel i don't feel like i have good body coordination so like it was uh i did well yeah i was nervous you did i mean you made it till the end yeah that's why i'm so like season three you could have done it you it. Well, I couldn't do the cold. I'm not good in the cold. I could do the heat. I would have a hard time going pee-pee in a bucket with having a... But even if you go for two days. What?

Even if you just go for the two days. You can leave whenever you want. But I wouldn't want to do that. I would want to push myself to do, but it's the... That part sucks. Yeah. There's no way around no way there's no like porta potty i couldn't even do that when i visited you in venice in your apartment so

i guess right you know fuck that shit i thought is there a porta potty down the way that they no there isn't no they don't go fuck i mean their whole that's the whole goal they're like if you there's no um craft service down there on the corner those dudes have craft service i would want to ask one of those guys where's the craft i want to see you go on just to ask about the camera guy where's the fucking goddamn craft service you could probably have to go it're a toilet. I know you have a toilet somewhere. If anyone could manipulate these DSs to get them a bag of almonds or trail mix, it would be Denise Richards. Could I please have that? Please go, Denise. Please go.

All right. You have to do it. I'll let you know. All right. Let me know. Off the record, I will let you know because you're not allowed to say you're doing it, right? Yes. Off the record.

Okay. Off the record. Okay. We have really been enjoying you on Housewives this season. Well, thank you. I've only done a couple episodes. You've been missed. They were great episodes.

Oh, well, thank you. What made you be involved so much this season? Well, actually, I showed up to... Garcelle had a screening, and I just showed up to, Garcelle had a screening and I just showed up to that. I didn't tell anyone I was going or anything. I was truly showing up as her friend, like a real friend. I've known her forever. And then after that, the next day she said to me, would you want to do anything?

And I said, oh, well, if it's a dinner or lunch or something where you're at, you know, I would go. And then. This kind of went from there. Yeah. What made you become a housewife in the first place? Well, I was really good friends with Lisa Rinna for 20 years. We're not friends anymore, but.

Can we talk about that? We can talk about whatever you want. Let's answer the first question. Then we'll get into why we're not friends with Lisa Rinna anymore. So I was, I've been, I was friends with Lisa Rinna for about 20 years and she loved doing the show.

And I went on my first season because she had a good time and I thought, okay, this could be fun. It's something different. I didn't do anything like this before. I had done a reality show before, but not like this. So I thought it could be fun. And I had a wonderful time my first season. We had so much fun and it was just really a great time. And I loved getting to know the women and had a good time.

Do you feel like you were welcomed well by all the women? The first season, I did. The first season. Yes. You know, like we talked about when we first started, you truly have, I think, the housewife pedigree that I think every housewife's wish they had. Or even that the franchises ideally would like their Housewives to have, where you really are an iconic celebrity. Where, no disrespect to Erika, I love Erika, got to know her on Dancing with the Stars,

but Erika's always kind of wanted to be a celebrity, and Housewives made her one where you were already an a-list celebrity and this kind of decided to do housewives for fun and i feel like that could rub some of your peers the wrong way they would be jealous i did it for fun yeah i thought it would be a good time and er, one of the first things that she did say to me was she brought up about me being a Bond girl. And she was so kind and so wonderful to me and so really made me feel comfortable coming onto the show. It's so different than any other job that I've done. And I actually, for a long time, never even thought of it as a job. I thought of it as filming moments with my friends that were in the reality world. I didn't think of it as, oh, I have to go to work. I thought of it as, oh, we're having fun and filming moments because one

of my best friends was on the show. And so it was, um, and I had a really great time my first season and then things, you know, took a turn my second season with the show. Bravo, bravo, bravo. second season with the show bravo bravo bravo well yeah but i will say i learned that from them i didn't make that up so like uh you learned that from who who's them uh um i learned it from kyle and um lisa rena they told me if you say something like with your kids or mention their school or this or that make sure you do that so that they don't interesting so show that even though you almost because you it's like right she got denise got the credit for that yes i mean well they lied and said they didn't tell me that but they did why would i i'm not gonna make that well yeah like definitely

came out of nowhere so i would just say you had to don't show this i wouldn't say bravo bravo i would say please do not air this the credit was like you breaking the fourth wall at least yeah they left but they broke the fourth wall before but but they hadn't aired it until me. Which, you know what? It's time to air the fourth wall. Everyone knows there's a camera around. Totally. Right?

It's more fun when they air the fourth wall. It is. I think so. I think they're starting to do it more. But at least personally, I give you the credit. I'm like, you're the blueprint for that. Well, thank you. I will take the credit.

Thank you. All the credit, none of the criticism the blueprint for that well thank you i will take the credit thank you all the credit none of the criticism yeah well i think i'll take the criticism too it's okay i think you've said i've been through the ringer it's all good i think you've said before that they also like the edits made it seem like you were using bravo bravo with like a different thing there was twice when i used it and one time i used it when we went to Rome. I was I actually used it because I said something I shouldn't have said about my family. One of my kids said something and I I knew they were coming at me because the women kept coming at me for some stupid shit the whole season. And I was like, oh, God, okay, just give me a second.

I need a second to decompress. I had, you know, it's a long flight and you're dealing with shit and all this. And so I blurted something I shouldn't have said. And so that's also when I said it. And it was cutting away where it was something else. And that's okay. I'm fine with it.

But I'd rather that than what I did say, because it was something that you didn't want to personal with my family. Bravo. Wouldn't it? Like if you came to them and said, Hey, listen, I'm not comfortable with that.

This is about my family. You don't, they wouldn't necessarily respect that. Which part? Well, saying something that you're just like, listen, I really don't want that. I don't know. You know, i didn't even for that part i did it's like you didn't

even want to risk yeah i was just told i just did it because in that moment um for that trip with the in the rome trip i felt like i was on like everyone was coming at me and it was every single dinner for this that season that I was on my second season. It was they just kept coming at me for stupid shit and I just didn't get it. But now looking back, seeing how some of the way it works a little bit with some of the women i was the it's okay they they came at me it was like your turn almost exactly it was my second season it is what it is but in that moment when i did say the bravo bravo whatever that time yeah that was something else but it is what it is do you stand by the statement that they're like mean girls is that still like a thing you believe oh at that my second season yeah abso-fucking-lutely

fuck yeah i do there you go it's not cool to gang up and they did and i can handle it. It is what it is. But I felt like it was so immature. Like move on. Yeah. They were going at me about dumb ass shit and talking about stuff I said that had nothing to do with what they were coming at me about. I just didn't.

It was just like for them to try. I feel like a lot of them would deflect so that they didn't have to talk about stuff going on in their life. How does that work in the housewives world? Because it does seem like every once in a while, it's just like someone's getting yelled at for what feels like kind of dumb shit. Right. That's basically the show. And is this does it work because like someone says something and then

all the other ones like catch on where it's just like as long as it's not me so they attack that person or is that coming from maybe outside influences of like you know maybe it's like denise you know you know what i'm saying kind of like maybe producers or how's that working i don't i actually i really truly don't know I do think a lot of the women are grateful that it's not on them. Yeah. And they are like, oh, what? Yeah. That's what I think.

I don't know. I think that too. Yeah, it's a kind of, it works. And it's okay. I mean, Bachelor's the same way. It's like a just self-preservation. As long as the target's on someone else, people will. As long as it's not on you, you're all good.

Yeah, they will rally. And you know what? People watch it. Yeah. They watch it. So Lisa and Renna, why aren't you guys, do people know why, is that public? Why you're not friends? Have you spoken on that before?

Have I spoken what? That we're not friends? On why you're not friends. Why? Because she's an asshole. I mean. That's why. What did she do? I don't know. You know, it's an asshole. That's why. What did she do? I don't know.

You know, it's really sad. I was friends with her for 20 years. I think she got caught up with being on the show. And I think she was not, at some point, the person I knew. So was there wasn't not one does it resort back to that scene that we all saw of her you know saying oh you're angry there was um of that one yeah there was a couple scenes though before that i don't know at least from like a viewer standpoint i remember a scene where you sat down with her, I think in Rome and you were like, Hey, like if I was a friend, I would want you to stand up for me.

Like these women are attacking me. And it was kind of sad to see her. Like she was in full character. She agreed. And then right after she was like, Nope, she apologized. And then we went to the Vatican and all this. And she was like,

thank you so much. And this, and then we get back from Rome and she flipped again. So would it be fair to say that when you signed up for Housewives, it was like, all right, I'll do this. I'm going to do it. My friend's on it. Yeah. I'll probably have to learn about how this works and yada, yada. But at the end of the day, my friends are my friends. I'm still going to be Denise Richards. I'm not going to become become this weird housewife and like play the role. And maybe some of your peers were more like, Hey, this is how I'm a housewife first, rather

than a friend first. Um, you know, like where it's like, it's pretty much, I wish that she had said that to me, but for me going into this show, I wanted to be myself. And when I met with the producers, I showed up in jeans and a Guns N' Roses t-shirt. I did do my hair and makeup on my own. I didn't have the glam. And I said to them, this is who I am in real life. This is what I look like when I go to the grocery store. If you want me to be all glammed up, you guys can go online and see how I am on the red carpet and all that. I can be the actress, Denise Richards.

So tell me what you want. And they said, we want you to be you. And I said, OK. So in real life, I'm in jeans and a t-shirt. And then when I'm on the red carpet, I'm all glammed up. So I wanted to be myself. I didn't want to play a caricature of myself. I just didn't want to ever do that. I wanted to always stay true to who I am and people can like me or not like me or whatever. So that's how I approached that show. Of the current cast or maybe other women that you were

on the show with, who also approaches it like you do and who maybe is a character of themselves? I would say I haven't watched the season. I didn't watch all my fucking crazy ass shit that I did this season. But I will say Garcelle and Sutton and Crystal, those are the three that I am friends with on the show. And I really, really have so much respect for them. I don't like what some of the other women have said and done. When was the last time you spoke to Rinna? We had a mutual friend that passed away and she and I were on the phone regarding that. And then that was the last time.

Is there anything she could say or do that would allow you guys to rekindle your friendship? Yeah. If she called and apologized to me, I'm a forgiving person. I am easygoing. I would be good. But the thing that also was difficult for me was not only what she said on the show, she did a bunch of shit in social media

that I thought was so disgusting and not cool. I'm like, why would she? What did she do? She did a bunch of crap. I don't even want to repeat it because it offends a bunch of people. But, you know, it's like she didn't know when to stop. She takes it one step and she just took it too far.

Maybe. I would say if she ever did apologize and whatever truly meant it. You felt like if he felt it wasn't sincere. I would be cool again. Okay. When was the last time you talked to Brandy? When she was at the, I don't know her that well.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was the, whatever that party was at Kyle's. Wow. Have you guys, have you ever addressed her accusations about you two oh i was like this is so fucking dumb she was at that party and then a week later it's like oh guess i'm like what the flying ass fuck it's it's i'm like i can't even address it it's so dumb okay you know enough said it's just stupid it's whatever you know i've had so much shit set and and the thing is too the women

i think that didn't they didn't understand this about me is that i've had so much shit with my divorce and everything that certain things don't phase me because I've had so much that it's like, and maybe if I didn't have all that, then I would be like, oh my God, you know what I mean? So I think they also had a hard time understanding why, why wouldn't Denise be this upset? It's like, oh, Jesus Christ. Oh, okay. I've had worse shit said about me and my family that I was like, okay. Do you know? So I think they had a hard time understanding

why I wasn't so upset about it. I wanted at the weed party. Here's my take. Yes. Is that you understood the assignment. It was a weed party and you looked like you got a little fucked up as I would. I'd get fucked up if assignment it was a weed party and you looked like you got a little fucked up as i would i'd get fucked up if i went to a weed party were you a little fucked up

or like why did people think you were fucked up because i just felt like you did a really good job well thank you um i was sick okay i had to do three covet tests before i went i wanted to cancel they said as long as your covet test is good, you can go. I'm like, okay. And I didn't want to be like, oh, I didn't show up. And I also reiterated, I can't have weed. And yet you did. You know what? We all had a bad night on that show. I thought you had a great night. Why? Well, my husband didn't think so when i showed up at home he's like what the what is wrong with you i go i don't fucking know i go i think something's wrong i feel i don't feel right i felt like it was i felt like it was unfair that you had to defend yourself i do too for the fact that you went to a weed party. And I was like, why are we coming

at Denise for like, understand that she's doing her job like back off. A lot of the women on that show have been a little fucking sideways many times. Why did they come after me? Seemed unfair. Thank you for saying

because you were a Bond girl and they weren't. I know you said you haven't watched it, but have you seen photos or clips of your jacket? Do you agree that it was upside down? And actually, my glam, we took photos of me with it upside down and they all said, you know what? It looks the same upside down and they all said you know what it looks the same upside down and right side fucking up i and by the way i wanted to get the flying ass fuck out of there

i think you're done i would have left the damn ass thing you were done did you probably should have so do you think dorit was just saying something to say something? Yes. I absolutely do. Whenever I see Dorit, she will be the one that's like, you know what? Your mascara doesn't look good. You need to fill in your eyebrows. Honey, you need some lip gloss. She's always got something to say.

So that's why I said to her, stop it. Yeah. I know what you're. She is. I've always liked to read, but. Very different. The times I've seen her recently or whatever. She's one of those people, one of those women that has to point out every where it's like you feel self-conscious.

And when she said my jacket was up, I was like, I don't give a flying ass. Fuck if it's upside down. Go ahead and have it and step on it, I don't give a flying ass fuck if it's upside down. Go ahead and have it and step on it. I don't care. You know? Yeah, I get it. People online were like, no, Doritza's trying to be nice. No, she was not.

I know. She knows. She's a reality TV expert. There's no whispering in reality TV. Everyone's mic. She knew what she was doing. She knew this shit would be aired. She always does.

She knew exactly what she was fucking doing and I'm a fan of Dorit but like she knew what the fuck she was doing in that moment and when it says otherwise yeah totally anyway I'm glad we can settle that yeah good do you want the jacket kind of I'll give it to you

yeah I have it is it available yeah would love looking back Yeah, I have it. You can have it. Is it available? Yeah. Would love. Absolutely. Looking back, Erica's comment about bringing up your daughter. Uh-huh.

I think what I've heard from the other housewives we have interviewed is that there's this unspoken rule of like, you don't talk about children. You don't talk about other people's children. It's not up for discussion. Well, when it's their children. But they, it's free for all when it's someone else's. Well, it seems when it's not Erica's kids or Kyle's, Dorit's, but when it's. Does Erica have kids? She has a son.

I didn't know that. Exactly. She doesn't talk about it. But when it's my children or Garcelle's, that's what the, or even Sutton's, that was the point that I was trying to make to Erica. Like, why is it okay for you to say stuff about our children? Yeah. I felt it was so disrespectful. No, I agree. It was very disrespectful. No, I agree. It was very disrespectful. I mean, and I could say more, but I won't with that whole thing with her, with her child.

She won't. But you are killing it on OnlyFans, right? What do you mean by killing it? Making a ton of money. You know, I didn't know you made money off of that thing. Denise. I did not. What?

No, I don't want to. Hold on a second. I did not know what that was. Did you just throw away millions of dollars? I did. No, I did. I learned recently, obviously. No, but in the beginning, I did not know what OnlyFans was.

And the reason why I joined the site was because, you know, when I started my career, I started out with Starship Troopers and Dropped It Gorgeous and very conservative parts. And then I did wild things. And then later on, after my first daughter was born, I did Playboy. I was married to her dad when I did it. So there can be backlash with certain roles. And so when my daughter first joined OnlyFans and she got backlash, I was very upset about that because I felt it wasn't fair to her. Now, I did not know what OnlyFans, I really truly didn't. So you were just being a protective mom. When I first, I did a post about it and then um after i posted it people were like oh you should join it so i joined it but i didn't know what it was and so for myself i then had to put it in a way where it's like in back in the day when you would join a fan site, you know, and you would connect with fans and in a different way.

And then you learn that it can be lucrative. Are we able to share ballpark like what you're pulling in? I don't even know. No, I know. I really I truly did it because I have, you know, you'll see when you're, and I know people are going to, they're so judgmental to me and people are like, how can you do this? Your daughter.

And by the way, I didn't collaborate with my daughter. Some people are like, oh, she collaborated with her daughter. I didn't. Did I do a picture with my daughter's face as an eye that was on social media? Yes. Did I collaborate with my daughter for like a sexual only fans shoot? Abso-fucking-lutely not. That is not true. I haven't even been on my daughter's site. I was protecting her as a young woman coming into this industry being judged. Take some of the heat off of her.

Yeah. Yeah. Because it's not fair that, you know, whether people agree or not, and it's easy to judge, how can I judge stuff with some of the things I've done in my career? And when I've done those, like when I was on in wild things and did Playboy, did I ever think, oh, gosh, one day when I've, you know, my kids are older, you don't think about that stuff because it seems so far away. Well, then that day comes and you're like, well, shit, balls, I have to deal with it. You know, it's hard. You being on Playboy, did you interact with Hugh Hefner at all?

Did you have any? Yeah. How, what are your thoughts of him? He was lovely. Lovely? Lovely, lovely, lovely man. He was really lovely to me. Oh God, yeah.

He was very kind to me. I still think it was shitty that the whole like $7 thing that Erica mentioned about OnlyFans, which is why I asked how much you made. Oh, she said that? I still think it was shitty that the whole like $7 thing that Erica mentioned about OnlyFans, which is why I asked how much you made. Oh, she said that? Yeah, maybe it wasn't in front of you. Yeah, I think she was at lunch with like Garcelle and Crystal or something. Yeah, and so she was just like mocking you for like how much you charge. Has she lip syncs?

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. In Vegas? I don't know. I felt like it was a bit of a low blow. How does she know? How does she know? If she's my only fan, she had to pay for it.

So thank you, Erica. Whatever you are charging, it sounds like you're crushing it because I think you're a top earner. I'm all good. Yeah. So I didn't like that she was shaming you for this shit. Thank you for saying that. She tried to criticize your bundle and be like,

you can charge more. Like that's what you think of yourself is like that low of a dollar sign. And it's like, that's so funny. And I, Erica is a hustler, which I actually say that is a, I hustle.

I work hard. I work hard. I grind. I, and I, that's how I see Erica. And so I just didn't like that. She was shaming you for that, for seemingly doing that, for hustling to is your daughter doing with being on that platform? Do you feel like she has learned a lot about public perception or things like that?

Like what kind of conversations you've had? My oldest daughter, I love that she really, even in second grade, would stand up for gay rights. And she stands up for being who she is. She does not. That's the thing that I love about her is that she is just such a strong young girl, young woman now. And I love that because my girls have had to listen and hear shit over the years, even though I tried to protect them from it. But they are stuff they did hear. And I love that she is just who she is and she stays who she is. And that's the only thing I ask of my kids.

Stay true to who you are and follow your passion. I love that. Allie, is it time for texting office hours? It will be in five minutes, but Denise, I did look up online and you're estimated to make $2 million a month on OnlyFans. Do you have any comments

for the higher or lower? Here's what I'll say. Thank you, Erica Jane. Truly. Thank you. Pop off queen. $2 million a month. That's insane.

Allegedly. Allegedly. That's a synesthetic i am not saying anything that's insane well we're just here to say is your husband's big penis on it no i he his big penis should be on it boy did i jesus my god no listen what what husband would not want that? I was about to say, why would you want to like... Do you think I did something bad saying that about my husband? No. Okay. No, not at all.

Denise, you're not going to get any judgment from me. I'm with you. You know what we say to people who judge? Fuck them. That's what we say on the show. But what guy... Wouldn't any man be like oh my god i'm so glad my girl said true and wouldn't any wife want to be like brag about what they got and i don't know

i probably shouldn't know because then they're like oh you might not want to say that i don't understand why i mean it's really the only way a guy can actually you know because if a guy get asked there's no there's no you can't there's no, you can't, there's no way. No, I'm very honest. That's the thing with people accusing me. I'm so honest and open about shit. We're lucky, you know, like I don't think a lot of women can confidently say, you know, like I'm working with some, some great product here. Some large product. It sounds like you're working with some large product here. You know? Some large product.

It sounds like you're working with some large product. With large product. So you get it. Yes, I get it. And I think it was, you know, But do you think people are going to judge you for saying that you're working with large product?

Or do you care? If they do, they sound mad. They sound jealous that their partner isn't. It's just product. It's just product. Or their partner's upset that It's just product. It's just product. Or their partner's upset that they're not saying they have a large product.

Exactly. Yep. See? Really. Yeah. Nick. Nick's like, actually, we can continue this conversation if you want.

But like how large? While we're ending this conversation, I have a couple more questions about special forces. So when you guys arrive are you guys all together as a cast no at the hotel no so they try to keep you separate as most of those shows do they don't you know they want all the initial interactions to be on camera and kind of really you know like so you just show up to a hotel in new zealand yeah and they put you it's like it was at a golf club resort. So you had like a little apartment almost.

It was nice. And then when you get, so you stayed till the end, but the ones that left early, do they have to stay? Nope. They leave? Yeah, they leave and everyone pretty much goes home a day later. leave yeah they they leave and they pretty everyone pretty much goes home a day later you know and if you wanted to sightsee new zealand you could but you have the you know so you you can do whatever you want but most people left the next day would you do it again yeah so if you go i'll come back so you really really are glad you did it i would very it was very rewarding very rewarding

and no matter how far you go even if you show up and leave the first day, you'll be glad you did it because it is so crazy. It sucks. But you will be, you will, you will tell that story as if it's insane because it is. And you will be proud of yourself for, you know, like you have, we have very lucky and privileged lives. We are pampered. We have very nice lives. And so to be able to have the choice to put yourself in an environment that has no comforts and see if you can still handle it, if you're resilient. like a big slumber ass party, but the potty situation and the food situation would be very bad. But just, I just know that I I'm very lucky to have the life and the privileges that I have. And, and it was kind of like, can I deal with being uncomfortable for long periods of time? Like what, like what am I made of? And you really get to find out what you're made of and how resilient you are. And it'd be, I think it'd be really fascinating to see you on it because clearly even in this conversation we just had, you've talked about just how resilient you are and your ability to overcome criticism and all the bullshit. I mean, having to file for divorce when you're pregnant, it would be fascinating to see you apply that resilience into like something like special forces and surprise a lot of people. Thank you for saying that however the backpack you had to

carry like 35 pounds everyone has to carry it right and they don't care who you are i don't know if i could physically have that weight it yeah that's part like i don't know not everyone can carry that weight physically that's true i would have to work out for a year fucking to do that show i would it would be tough yeah i don't know if i could carry that fucking physically. I would have to work out for a year fucking to do that show. I would. It would be tough. I don't know if I could carry that fucking weight, so I'd have to do it for a year. Tara went not long, but she did

pretty good carrying it. She's much smaller than you. But still, it's like, that's a lot of weight. That's a lot of weight. No, it would be tough. It would be tough. And they don't care. It's compared to a dude and a chick. That's different. Yeah,. No, it would be tough. It would be tough. And they don't care. It's compared to a dude and a chick. And they don't give a fuck.

Yeah. No, and they don't. They don't seem to. They don't care. But you would surprise yourself. Okay. Thanks for saying that. I'd watch it.

My husband wants me to do it. I want you to do it. Okay. Thank you. The franchise needs you to do it. I almost did your season. Oh, God. That was nice. So good. I to do it. I almost did your season. Oh God, that was nice. So good.

I really said it. Let's take a break from asking you these tough questions. Oh, we have tough questions. I mean, I'm just kidding. Yeah, when are they? Who is your favorite Richard sister and why is it Kim? Kathy Hilton. Is it Kathy?

Yeah. Okay. Why? Why? She's so kind and nice and lovely were you at her Christmas party

I was did we see you why did we miss you we were there we were there too she had many Christmas parties maybe we weren't

in the same one that's true it was a direct TV one I think we went to the like party where like people the less intimate one

I bet you went to a more intimate Christmas party yeah ours was sponsored it was probably her more intimate Christmas party. Yeah. Yeah. Ours was sponsored. It was probably her like actual Christmas party with her actual friends and family. All right. Well, we're about to give someone else some relationship advice.

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and I regret taking my husband's last name. Okay. Well, how long have you had this new name that you hate? Hey, well, how long have you had this new name that you hate? We got married two years ago. Two years and four months ago. Why do you regret it? So actually, I was actually married and divorced once before.

And that time I did not take the other person's last name. And it was never something I had planned on doing. For me, I've just I've always really liked my last name. And the name that I took is very generic. You know, everybody has it. And I just never really got comfortable using it. OK, so it's just about the actual name. It's not the significant around the name. like yeah i i tried to i mean i did it because he really wanted me to and so i thought i'd kind of you know i'd give it a shot and i've

been doing it for you know over two years now i work um in education so my name is constantly being said and even after all that time it still never felt like normal to me. Yeah. Cause that's the fact that you are in education makes all the, all the difference. Yeah. I was going to say, you probably don't hear your last name very often, but that would be the one occasion where you hear it constantly. And in fact, since I, so since I wrote in, I actually changed mid-year and i have not uh told my husband yet but actually when i took that job i said i wanted to go by my maiden name so now there they call me by that okay so what's the problem well the problem i think my husband is very like offended by the idea yeah his

family's definitely really traditional and that's like that's fine i get that i think where maybe i have um like resentment is that he was also married once before and that his ex-wife did not take his name and he didn't make like a big thing of it but legally right now right legally your last name is his last name, right? And I'm guessing to take this new job, you requesting to go by your maiden name is just that a request that your employer will honor. But legally, you still have his last name, yeah? Well, yes.

The thing is, so when you change your name, there's like a series of things, you know, you have to go through, change your social security, your driver's license, your passport, all of that. I did it kind of out of order. So I changed my driver's license first, which you're really not supposed to be allowed to do. So by my state, if you look me up by my state ID, it comes up as his last name. But if you look me up by my social security number, it still comes up as my maiden name. And he gets really annoyed that I haven't taken the steps to rectify that. Well, he needs to chill out.

And I agree. Do you want to legally change it back? I don't feel the need to legally change it back. I mean, I'm even fine going forward with it's more because it's just a, an annoying process to go, you know, go wait in the line at the security office or whatever, that I haven't done that. And I don't mind that, like, you know, to all of our friends and family, I go by his last name. But I don't know, at work, it never felt felt right and i guess if i would prefer like my choice i probably would just legally change it back but i'm like i kind of wanted to compromise with him

on it so there's not really any like wiggle room on his side well the good news is is he doesn't get a say in how people refer to you at work yeah yeah i just think the fact that you are willing to compromise you know says a lot you know like I can understand why legally it would bother him. And maybe that complicates things if you guys plan on having children. Do you have any kids together? Are you planning on having kids together? Yeah. So that's so that's another thing.

So, yes, we have a daughter together. She has his name, but I have an older daughter who is not my husband. And so she is from so she does not, the same last name as me or him. So I already try to avoid saying things like, like, you know, you and Natalie and your baby and say like, we're the Vial family. I don't say we're the whatever family because one of our children doesn't have that name. So, you know, it has less significance to me because we don't all have the same one anyways.

Yeah. Well, my family, we have three different last names so yeah i just you know nally you know we're gonna get married this year and i think i think she's taking my last name and i think now he's still gonna go by nally joy public i don't expect her to like upgrade date her instagram i don't maybe she might i don't know or care to be honest i know i did earlier in my life i don't know i just how old is your husband 33 okay maybe just give it seven years i don't have my husband's name i i did my ex-husband i changed my name to denise sheen legally it was a pain in the ass to change every document and then change it all back. But my name with my husband, he doesn't care. But I understand how some men traditionally want the woman to take the last name. If I did not do what I do for a living and was in the public eye and all that stuff or have a job where people knew who I was with my name, I would take my husband's last name.

But if I was in a job where people knew my last name to be my maiden name, it's a transition. transition so that's just you personally figuring out do you want to do that and change that for you with you know everything in your career or is there something deeper where you're like i'm good being my name yeah i don't know because i'm assuming minus like traditional aspect of it and that denise makes a great point like i'm sure on some level especially if he's a traditional guy who comes from a traditional family because like i said younger me would have cared about this it would have triggered an insecurity of like how committed are you to me like why don't you want to yeah you know is there any reason for him to be concerned about that or is you know you know what i'm saying is it coming from a place other than the fact that you just kind of like love you

love your last name like i know a lot of women who like grow up, they have a great name. It's like, you know, first and last name. It just sounds good. And all of a sudden they meet a guy, fall in love. They're like, my new name has to be what? Huh? Like, ugh. Exactly.

Yuck. So I get that. But, you know, other than that, yeah. What's your reasoning? I think it's more like projecting. So like he was with his ex-wife. They got married. She never took his name.

And kind of a few months later, out of the blue, she just left him and never really got a good reason why or anything like that. Maybe he thinks that keeping my name, yeah, some sort of a lack of commitment. I mean, listen, his ex-wife left him without any signal that must have been very difficult for him he had to process that that's a trigger like i fuck i still have dreams i had a dream last night that natalie broke up with me i got abandonment issues you know like i've been broken up with before and so that shit can stick with you so i i think the way you handle this is you haven't done the social security thing right go do go do that okay right get it done all the like illegal shit because you're gonna legally take his last name and then in the meantime really

go out of your way to make him feel secure like let him know you love him go out of your way to really try to connect with him but you do sit him down and say hey listen like i got my social security changed i know it means a lot to you but when it comes to you know work and teaching or whatever it is specifically you do in education like i just want them to refer to me as mrs whatever you know and that's it's. I really like my name and has nothing to do with my love for you. I just want you to know how much it means to me to be your wife. Just go out of your way to make them feel as secure as possible. I'm not saying that's going to eliminate him getting upset, but it might go a long way in the long run for maybe him to realize

what most of us guys down the road, it's like, who gives a shit? You know, I got a terrible last name. Right. Like, you know, it's like, it's just not that important, but I do think, you know, from a traditional standpoint, it's something that you feel, well, why don't you want to? And if he has been left already by someone who broke his heart and didn't take his last name, it makes sense why it's a bigger deal for him now, you know? So you just have to empathize with him a little bit more

and try to make him feel like you understand why it's important to him and then do what you can, like the social security card thing, and then see if he can just be okay. Hold your ground there. Just say, I'm going to do this. You're not asking for his permission,

but make him feel loved. Yeah, I feel like like i have a hard time maybe like i don't know picturing him like being okay with it because he does take like such a hard line like even to where if i like go to the you know pharmacy or something and they still have it under my maiden name and i have to say you know my full name he's kind of like all like you know like huffy and like yeah like why are you but that's me but that's because it's a trigger for him and you haven't done the other like the you've been dragging your feet on the social security thing so it's just like a thing that he's decided to be annoyed about i don't

think this is going to resolve overnight i just think you can try to go out of your way to make him feel secure in the important aspects of your relationship and over time i think he will chill out when it comes to you professionally want to be referred to by your maiden name because it's not even legally you're just so do everything you can from a legal standpoint to appease him if that's what you want to do right so it's that's that's the compromise and he'll just eventually shut up about it i'm guessing but i really think it has i really think it has more to do with the fact that like it is a trigger for him and his ex-wife leaving him fucked him up a

little bit we've talked about that and of course you know i've been like reassuring and also been like you know i we have a kid she has her last name like all of our other you know if we have more kids together they're all gonna have your last name like it's not about you know commitment but it always kind of comes back to like him being annoyed about it and then i know i know what what you'll say but part of me just like feels like just not telling him that i'm going by it at work you can't do that i know but it would just be easier tell him he's gonna be annoyed about a lot of other stuff later this is the least of his worries that's the thing it's just like god it's just not it's just not worth it i don't know yeah it's like it seems like and i'll remind him like we don't even have like one name

as the family and like you know feels like half the world has the same last name as anyway so like it's more the merrier that identifiable yeah it's like listen i love the name i grew up with it's you know what i'm saying it's not that i think there's more here and you have to figure out what that is yeah and i mean i when i went into like the marriage like i told him that like i hadn't before but i didn't want to change my name and he just kind of took like an all or nothing hard line like no you have, you have to. And actually by the time we got married, I was already pregnant and I was already saying, well, this baby's going to have your last name, but that still didn't. So I just had to end up just giving in on it. Like we didn't have a way to compromise.

I think you just might have to hold a hard line, calmly hold the line and just say, have to hold a hard line, calmly hold the line and just say, I'm sorry it upsets you. I love you. I'm legally, you have my last name, but when it comes to work, something I want to do, it's my way of compromising. I just like the sound of it. Like, I don't even like the sound of my last name. You know, I don't, it's not that like, I don't, I don't know. I don't understand why people are so precious about it, but he is whatever. He doesn't have to be okay with it. I think that's my advice to you is there's no perfect thing I could say, say this to him that's going to make him go, oh, I don't care anymore. That's just not going to happen.

So I think you just have to stand your ground and just calmly say, this is what I want to do. It's important to me. I love you. Denise, check in with him. Ask if there's anything going on. How can you make him feel more secure as a partner? But if he thinks he can

change your mind, that's what people do. That's why they are persistent about things because they think that it's just a matter of being persistent. When he finally realizes this is what you're going to do, he'll probably just give up. I don't see this as something him leaving you for no i don't think i think he would continue to complain about it

i honestly think once people realize that you're if you're not going to do it they stop complaining but i think you probably have a he's very stubborn yeah but i do want yes i just want to take but i'm guessing is you probably like you know he's very stubborn so what happens he's stubborn he's persistent and eventually on a lot of things you probably are the one giving in which is why he's persistent because eventually you just give in and so this situation you have to let him know as sorry as he's you are that he's upset that you're not going to give in and And you politely ask him to just, you don't have to be happy about it.

Respect it. And I love you. It has nothing to do with my love for you or our relationship. And our kids are going to have your name. And legally, I have your name. But this is something I got to do. Yeah.

And that's all I want. Yeah. Like to be okay with it. I work in a different school district than where we live. So we don't even run into people like I'll never have to hear people call me that name. I still just know it's going to be like a trigger for him to bring it up. Sure. But he'll get over it. Yeah. I should just like sit down and tell him that I already told people at work to call me that or say, oh, I've already made the decision. people at work to call me that or say oh i've already made the decision no because that might upset him i would just say i'm going to do this but you then you have to make sure you do because if you say you already did it's going to feel a little like you went behind his back yeah and like

i didn't like feel great about i've literally only been at the job for a couple days but i didn't even feel great saying like oh i want to do this do this, knowing that he didn't know that it was going on already. But it was just like in a way to like avoid the fight, I guess, which I know isn't like the best relationship thing to do. We've all done it. Yeah. You're just gonna have to have a tough conversation with him and you're going to have to make him realize that you are going to do this.

You're sorry he's upset upset but it's not going to change your decision not going to change yeah i'm committed i'm going to do it but i do think you going finishing the legal aspect of the whole social security thing will yeah will help because and you actually doing that i think will go a long way rather than say you're going to do it saying you're going to do it's a little different. Yeah. I mean, I've been saying I'm going to do it,

but yeah, I just hate the tedious process of changing it all. But maybe, yeah, at least balance out. If you can do all that, I would actually do, I would actually do the social security thing first,

actually do it. So you can say, Hey, I did it. Okay. Because I do. So then I can say, okay,

I finished changing it all legally. Like, and then like, yeah, I finished changing it all legally. Yeah. Like, and then like, yeah, I still have like my, like my credit cards or cards, like none of that's been changed.

Yeah. And so, and then he has to see that every day and he sees it, it annoys him. He gets frustrated. So that all gets changed. I mean, he'll still care,

but he'll care less. I mean, yes, he'll care. Uh, at first I just need to, I'm not always good about, yeah, just, yes, he'll care at first. I'm not always good about just taking the hard line because you're right, he's persistent. And he knows that, which is

why he doesn't shut up. All right. Let us know what happens. We will want an update for sure. I will. Good luck. Yes, thank thank you thank you guys for your help i'm so excited for you guys to have a baby i have two little girls oh thank you so much we appreciate it thank you all right all right bye-bye

denise yes how's your boat good i'm fixing it Cause I'm out of here. She's out of here. I'm joking. No, we are wrapping up. We are wrapping up. I'm fucking kidding. I'm just fixing it. Can we, can we get a fake storm off? Maybe.

Sorry. What? Oh no. God, no. I don't need that shit right now. Maybe next time. Next time.

Okay. Next time. After the internet. Thanks for best friends. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

You and your husband. It sounds like you have, how long you guys been together for now eight years eight years yeah what's your favorite thing about that relationship and what's something that you continue to have to work on as a couple my favorite thing about my relationship is that he's my best friend honestly like we really connect i'm gonna give you two some advice. So after, especially after you have a child to always make time for you two as a couple, just you two. And I know it's hard when you're a parent to take time away. So we always do one night a month at a hotel where we go by ourselves and we connect as a couple and we hang out and enjoy some big product. And we, yeah, exactly. And, and have that time.

And it's okay to not feel guilty about that because it makes you a better couple. It makes you a better parent, makes you a better everything. So that is one piece of advice that I think is great for couples, especially having a child to make sure you guys keep you two together and intact because that's what keeps the family together. And it's okay to do that and not feel guilty about it. Okay. I love that. Yeah. So that's one piece of advice I want to give you. That's what I love is that my husband and I, we both are on the same page with that. He is my best friend. And the things that I love about him are the things that annoy me about him. The things he loves about me are the fucking things that annoy him about me. That's love, you know, because you really have to understand who someone is. And then you appreciate, you know, when you meet someone, it's like, everything's awesome. You know, oh, it's great.

And then you realize, oh, that's kind of annoying. Oh yeah, he'll say shit to me. I'm i'm like yeah that's what you fucking love about me that's why you married me i love that so that is what it is your ex friend lisa recently i think put out a post someone asked her like on a live if she would ever want to come back to housewives and she kind of was very coy and cryptic about like do you guys want me back on she seems like she wants to come back on but would you ever want to come back on i had a fun time you would yeah i always say never say never that's just have they asked you since you left to come back on they asked me the season that I left, you know, but there's no talks about their upcoming season of me coming back. So, you know, I don't know where they're at with anything. But I, you know, I, I enjoy the women. I had a good time. And I always say never say never. I would not have filmed the stuff I did do, but it's like,

it is what it is, you know? So, so if the money, it's not even about money, but if, if they asked, are you,

you're a hard yes. Or are you like, you would strongly consider. Would I ever go back to the housewives? Absolutely. I mean, I came back and did the episodes that I did do. Do you know what I mean?

Sure. But maybe that you kind of couple cameos. Yeah, you know. It might be different than a whole season. Who knows? Okay. You never know. I don't know if they would even ask me. I think I speak for all fans when I say please. Yeah. Well, thank you. Thank you for saying that.

I don't know if they will even invite me back. I don't know, but I really enjoyed being on the show and had a good time I mean this cast is good but it could be better it could use Denise Richards

it could use Denise Richards it could use Denise fucking Richards exactly thank you thank you thank you what was the best part about that when that that moment when you said i'm denise fucking richards is that even your critics had a hard time arguing arguing oh thank because it was like yeah i guess i mean she is in fact denise fucking richards no it made me feel

really fucking good i couldn't say something like that and get away with it people would be like yeah and you know I was shocked I was like oh my god I sound like an ego fucking maniac do your kids realize just how iconic their mom is or are they like no she's just her mom they realized when they were teenagers

not how iconic by any means when they were younger I think they thought I worked in a trailer because they would come to the trailer when I was getting, I swear to God, my hair and makeup done. They weren't necessarily always on set because they had to be quiet. So I think they thought I worked in a fucking trailer because they would come to the hair and makeup trailer, I swear. And then I would have them, they would get their hair done and all these things and stuff. And so when they got older and we would go places and then they started recognizing when they would go, you know, to the concerts that we would take them to, or especially

the YouTubers and all that. And they would get their autographs and everything. And then, but when people would come up to me or their dad, they would say, oh, then they were like, what do you do? Why do people love you? They had no interest watching any of mine or Charlie's movies. Really? When they were younger. Yeah. It's only until I've gotten a little bit older. I don't even, I still don't even know if they've seen anything of ours. Just stuff like online or, you know, whatever. Friends saying things.

But for a long time, like I said, I think they thought I worked in a trailer. That's good. At least it was a nice trailer. Justin, do we have any other questions for Denise

before we let her go? Is there anybody from this season of Beverly Hills that if they kicked off, it'd make it more comfortable for you to return? I was comfortable going on as it was. Okay. Obviously. I made an ass out of myself.

So whatever. You look good while doing it. Again, I just think you followed the assignment. I don't know. And I also think Erica was out of turn. Thank you for saying that. How could you try to shame anyone

who's clearly crushing it in that department? Well, that was nice of you to think. I'm just not making that much. I'm just, I'm in considering OnlyFans at the moment.

Thank you. Denise, I think this is where we leave you. Sounds good. Next time I see you, you're going to be a new dad. I am. I can't thank you enough for coming. It's been so much fun.

I really, really appreciate it. I hope you come back again. I would love to. Thank you so much. Oh, I do have one more question. I forgot to ask you. Bethany. Yes.

You went on our podcast. Yeah. I think that was, when she was like, do you know what I'm doing? And then you were like, I don't. But what are your thoughts? Because I've always been a fan of Bethany before. I've never met her in person. You would like her. I like Bethany a lot. I hate what she's doing. I don't know what she's doing, though. I think she's drawing a lot of unnecessary attention to herself and sounding like a hypocrite but i can't i don't i really don't i asked her yeah i i don't know so okay so i'm just go off of what my personal experience is and but as a person you like that

i really do like her a lot i've never met her she's i always was fair i just she's lovely i don't get why she's doing the whole. I don't know the whole thing. I really don't. That's why I asked because I don't fucking know. All right. She still doesn't fucking know. She still doesn't know. Yeah. All right.

Well, Denise, again. Do you have any other questions? No, I think that's it. Okay. All righty. Where can people plug away? Denise Richards, I know you probably don't need to do this, but where can people find you? They can find me on social media.

You still got that Midwest in you. I know. Well, I can pull it out when I need to. Social media, anywhere? I don't know. She's Denise fucking Richards. You know where to find her. I don't know what to say to find me,

but thank you for plugging me. Thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you so much for coming, guys. We can't thank you enough for listening. Send in those at ask nick at the vowel files.com for all things texting office hours ask nick mediation you know the drill subscribe tell your friends i think that's it i will see you next time bye Bye.