The Viall Files - E706 RR - Taylor Swift Super Bowl Victory, Vanderpump, Bachelor 2 on 1s, and Traitors with Diablo Cody

Episode Date: February 13, 2024

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap Edition! Today, we are joined by Diablo Cody to chat about all things reality television. First, we get to talk to Diablo about her latest movie “Lisa Frankenstein.” Then, we talk about Super Bowl XLVIII - from Taylor’s box to Travis’ outburst to our favorite commercials to Usher’s halftime show. We also dive into the latest episode of Traitors and if we want Peter to stay in the game or be eliminated. Next, we talk about Vanderpump, Scheana’s music video that was scrubbed from the internet, and Rachel walking in NYFW. Finally, we talk about the Bachelor, including Joey’s two on one date with Sydney and Maria and whose side we are taking. We finish by giving our Bachelor finalist and Bachelorette predictions.  “I might have been less horny if I had TikTok.”  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: StitchFix - Thanks Stitch Fix—they just get me. And they’ll get you, too. Try today at https://www.StitchFix.com/Viall and you’ll get 25% off when you keep everything in your Fix. OneSkin - OneSkin is more than skin care. It’s about skin longevity, targeting the root causes of aging to help you look and feel your best at every age. Get started today with 15% off using code VIALL at https://www.oneskin.co. That’s 15% off oneskin.co with code VIALL. After you purchase, they’ll ask you where you heard about them. PLEASE support our show and tell them we sent you.  Sundays For Dogs - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to https://www.sundaysfordogs.com/VIALL or use code VIALL at checkout. Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @alison.vandam @justinkaphillips @leahgsilberstein  @dereklanerussell

what's going on everybody welcome back to another episode of the vile files reality recap edition i'm your host nick joined by the household of ally leah and our sweet boy justin how's everyone doing very good it's a nice day in la it is a nice day it's been raining yeah yeah justin just had a birthday how was your birthday yesterday i flew to norcal for literally a day but it was fun oh so i flew back on super bowl like sunday but i was i was back there for saturday I saw sixth the musical which was an experience I don't know if anybody's a fan of that show did you go with your boyfriend my family your family yeah it was a family weekend yeah did your boyfriend come with no

no how did you feel about he can come next time he's fine he was here he was living his life so yeah how did you feel about your birthday being on the Super Bowl um I gave my birthday juju to the Chiefs. They won. So I can take claim for that. I think that was my credit. But yeah, I mean, I don't watch the Super Bowl that much. But you're from NorCal. That's right.

So 49ers, I guess, by default. I could be. Yeah. But you don't give a shit. Yeah. Well, we have a very special guest today. Very excited about it. The one, the only Diablo.

Cody is with us, everyone. give it up for Diablo. You have a new hit movie. It's out. It's out. It came out on Friday. Lisa Frankenstein. Yes. I watched it last night.

Thank you for watching. I know you're a very busy man these days. I am. Well, honestly, I'm just holding a baby and, you know, watching great content. So it wasn't that hard to do. It was quite enjoyable. But congratulations on it. It's quite enjoyable. But congratulations on it. It's really great.

Thank you very much. Any Midwesterner, it's a must watch for sure. I try to infuse the upper Midwest vibes into everything I write. And I think it's in there. It's great. What is your favorite part about it? The movie. Like very different.

Obviously, a lot of people know you from Juno. Yeah. This is a very different type of movie. More macabre. Yeah. More macabre, for sure. My favorite part of this movie is it reminds me

of the like supernatural comedies that I grew up watching in the 80s, like Gremlins and Beetlejuice. So like you don't really see a lot of those movies anymore. So I was like, let's bring one out

for the people. Yes, it's a great callback. Yeah, for any like 80s movies buff and those macabre movies, it is a great watch. Love the soundtracks in it, too. The music was phenomenal. Thank you. Yeah, we got real goth with the soundtrack. How much say do you have on that stuff?

So typically as a screenwriter, you are advised to not put any music in the script, to leave those decisions to the director, etc. you are advised to not put any music in the script, to leave those decisions to the director, et cetera. I have been very lucky and very spoiled in my career because I have worked with directors that are like simpatico. And I also produce at this stage. So it's like that helps. But I put a lot of those songs in the script. And Zelda Williams, who directed the movie, was like, I'm completely down with all of this. So she got me as much of the music as she could. That's great. Yeah, it was nice to me to me like that that's was a big part of the movie the nostalgia of it it was yeah it was a bit as it was a nostalgic movie for me even though it was a bit macabre and maybe it's just because of my mid-best roots you know that was the whole that was genuinely the main vibe we were trying

to cultivate was nostalgia so i'm glad that it's definitely not something it's it's I didn't know what to expect, but I didn't expect what I watched in the best possible. I was like, oh, oh, OK, like, here we go. I mean, I'm glad it's it's actually like it's pretty difficult these days to get an original movie made that isn't based on like existing IP or like a successful comic book or whatever. or like a successful comic book or whatever. So I'm just proud that we were able to make something that chaotic and get a theatrical release. How long have you been working on it? I started writing at peak pandemic 2020.

Wow. So. I couldn't imagine. Like, I have so much respect for people who write scripts. It seems so difficult. I don't know, maybe because I've never done anything like it. For me, like, I'm an introvert, so it's the easiest thing in the world to be alone and make shit up.

Sure. The more difficult aspect of my job for me is, like, when we actually get into production, and there's personalities around, and there's departments, and it's why I don't direct, because honestly, it just gives me so much anxiety. I don't know, like, once they start filming, from a creative standpoint,

do you have to fight to keep, like, your original content? Or, like, from a producer-director standpoint, how much are they trying to tweak things or make changes? Or do they stay true to what you wrote on paper? I've been really lucky in the film world in terms of having, like, great collaborators and, like, great studio execs. TV, that's where shit gets complicated. Like I have gotten some of the wildest notes you have ever heard from TV executives where it's like, we really,

really love this pilot. You wrote about dentists. Can they all be lawyers? You know what I mean? Like where you're like, that's a completely different show. Totally. And they're like,

can you turn this around by Monday? And we're also never going to make it FYI. Oh, that would be so frustrating. Totally. And they're like, can you turn this around by Monday? And we're also never going to make it, FYI. Oh, that would be so frustrating. Yeah, it sucks. But I've been doing it like 20 years now, so. That's amazing. And now, so Lisa Frankenstein is out in theaters, wherever you watch. I say that like podcasts, wherever you listen to podcasts, like wherever you go to movies.

Do you think the movie theater experience is coming back? I hope so. I'm trying to be the change I want to see in the world because I have to admit like the temptation to stay home and watch it on my couch is strong. It is strong. I say this as someone who like loved going to movies. Like back in the day, it was like it was let's just go to the movies and we'll find something to watch. Yeah, you just went. We just went. And now it's even me. I'm just like, you know, we have the TVs, we have the streamers. It's just harder to get up and go. And it's tough. It's tough. And it's like everybody feels that way. Like, I don't want to bullshit you like this

was a bad weekend for the box office in general across the board. People don't go out to see movies the way that they used to. I don't know if we'll ever be back to the way things were just because everything is so readily available now but i do think people will continue to go to the movies because it is a special experience yeah i i there's something about sharing the energy of the people who are watching a movie with you you know like if it's a comedy hearing other people laugh or if it's a comedy hearing other people laugh or if it's a drama like feel this fear or the intensity of the people around i've always enjoyed that experience like have you ever seen the movie outbreak with dustin hoffman and quinneth

paltrow yeah no no i'm thinking of the soderbergh movie about yeah no the one where uh it's dustin hoffman it's an old movie cuba gooding.'s in it it's like a disease the Ebola virus is yeah is the villain but in that in the movie the disease spreads when someone who is early infected goes to the movie theater and they're coughing and they show like the viruses so like when you're in the theater watching it it just added the intensity and that was always be a vivid memory of mine like going to the, watching something like that and being in the theater, adding to the experience of watching that movie was something I miss when it comes to seeing movies. So I hope there is a renaissance when it comes to people visiting the box offices. I hope so, too.

And like in this movie in particular, at least the Frankenstein, there's a scene near the end. And I'm sure you know what scene I'm talking about. We're watching it in a theater is so much fun because people just start screaming. Yes. And like, yeah, you just you can't replicate that. There's definitely kind of a there's a lot of like, holy shit, what the fuck moments in this movie. And to experience it with other people adds to the adds to it. Yeah, it's great.

Well, congratulations. It's wonderful. So go check it out, everybody. It's amazing. It's great. It's a great It's wonderful. So go check it out, everybody. It's amazing. It's great. It's a great Valentine's Day movie with your partner or your girlfriends or really just anyone. I encourage anybody to see this movie.

Just anyone. And did you watch the Super Bowl this year? I did. And I'm not normally a football person, but I will totally admit to being a basic bitch Swifty that watched it to see my girl. I was only rooting for Taylor Swift as a Green Bay Packer fan who hates the Niners and is over the Kansas City Chiefs winning. I was only rooting for Taylor Swift.

I was rooting for Taylor. I loved seeing her up there, glamorous as hell in that box. Although I have to say, like as a drama addict, I did think it would be an interesting plot development in the Taylor-Travis relationship if the Chiefs lost. If they lost, yeah. It would have been, how would they have handled that? What did you think of him losing his shit on the sideline to his coach? He's kind of a bad look. Okay, so as someone who doesn't routinely watch football, Is that unusual? It is unusual for any player, especially a star player like Travis,

to go up and scream in the face of the coach and then kind of physically bump him. And a little background for yourself or anyone else who may not be big football fans, Andy Reid, the coach, legendary. I mean, you can tell by his mustache. Yes. He's an old school, very successful. And not that any player should do that to any coach, but the disrespect to Andy Reid was, it was something. And had they lost, now A, Travis had a good game.

He played well. So. Yeah. And they won. But had Travis not played that well and the chiefs lost it would have been a very interesting storyline and that that would have been something but it would be curious i think travis if anyone can handle the the pr fallout of this situation i think travis will he'll go on his podcast and i think his brother jason will give him with this

the big brother tough love yeah he'll be like hey man we don't do that in this family something like that and then Travis will be like yeah like that was I think he will I think you might have just fully predicted exactly how it's gonna go down yeah he'll and he'll you know he's like we don't you know I was he I think Travis won't make any excuses I should have been better than that it's not it's not what a leader does. He'll say all the right things, but it was a bad look on that part. And there's a couple of screenshots of him. No, he looks scary.

Scary, right? I mean, the only real takeaway is just bring that picture up. But Andy's addressed it. Andy Reid has addressed it. And he was like, I was off balance. I didn't have my feet underneath me. That's not addressing it. That's him being a good coach and defending his players.

Kelsey also told ESPN, I'm going to keep it between us. It was just me telling him how much I love him. So it could just be like a tough love thing. He has adrenaline rushing through his blood. It's disrespectful. It was unbecoming of the Travis we've grown to love. I know, I do love him. And we see him as a great partner for Taylor.

For our girl. For our girl. And that screenshot of him having a vein explode in his head is not the type of energy we love for Taylor. It's just a little aggro. No, we don't. The video's even worse because it looks like he's knocking Andy over. No, it was a bad look.

And just to put it out there, I think the reactions from the audience would be different if it was a different player. If it wasn't Travis. So do you think the audience was more forgiving because right now we're all inclined to be we're like oh you got angry it's intense like oh travis ah you know but if there were several other players had they done something like that to any coach let alone andy reed i think the reactions would would be less forgiving for sure i think travis has bought himself a lot of leash and and rope when it comes to public sentiment well he's lucky that they pulled out that win because you're right. The narrative would be different if he had thrown

a tantrum and then they lost. Do you think Taylor and Travis are at the point in the relationship where Taylor's like, we don't do that? Like from a PR? Do I think that she reprimanded him? Yeah. Do you think she kind of gave him some? No. You don't think she gave him any tough love? I don't think she did. I think Taylor Swift has such an exceptional amount of control and power in her day-to-day life that she is probably prone to relinquishing it behind closed doors. Straight up armchair psychology. I obviously know nothing about the relationship, but I do know that sometimes when you're, I find that powerful people can often be quite submissive in their personal lives.

So she thinks she's more demure and more gentle in this relationship. I do. That's my theory. I could be completely off. I am fascinated. I should ask my friend what Taylor thought about that. She seemed happy during the game. You could get the direct intel.

That's crazy. Well, my friend is very delicate with the intel I receive. about that she seemed happy during the game so you could get the direct intel that's crazy well my friend is very delicate with the intel i i i receive sometimes she's very giving sometimes you know i i also try to respect the friendship just because like she's also like my friend and she's friends with other very famous people and it's just like it's kind of icky i don't want her reporting on anything that taylor wouldn't want people to know type of thing i understand like trust you know it's it's trust it's like you don't yeah i have a friend who's friends with j-lo and i'm like very i'm like

i treat the situation delicately even though i'm desperate for every exactly it's like i want to know everything but i don't want to be one of those people and even though you know I'm a speck of dust and compared to like the public figureness that is Taylor Swift like she's the beach and I'm just like a little baby dust but I still know what it's like to have friends who have friends and I don't want the things I talk about with my friends to be you know right now I understand you know so I try to treat that very delicately. But she got a lot of screen time, my friend. I saw some article and it was like Taylor Swift and childhood friend.

Are they childhood friends or did they just not know what they were talking about? They're not childhood friends. No. Yeah. I believe they met. She's a stylist. And I believe she met through being a stylist and they became friends. I thought she did interior design.

She does that too. She's talented. Very talented. Multi-talented. There were points where like the Chiefs were losing, playing very poorly. And every time they'd shot to Taylor, she's just like having a ball, having fun. I'm really curious, like how Taylor would have handled them losing too. We all want to know how she would have performed Disappointment.

We all want to know, but we will never know. Was there a commercial that was your favorite? Do you get into the commercials at all? Somewhat. And I mean, I am a huge Ben Affleck fan. Love the Duncan. Love the man. Love the Duncan.

Seeing him and Matt Damon in the matching tracksuits was amazing. I actually did try to buy the tracksuit this morning, and it was already sold out 25 minutes after the drop. Are you serious? Just to give you an idea of what an Affleck fan I am. But also, apparently so many others. Yeah, no, everybody else wanted it. I didn't even think that you could go and buy it. Oh, yes, you can.

I wanted to get matching ones for me and my friend, and it was too late. Are you a Duncan girl? Absolutely. I've never been a duncan guy like i i mean i'll i'm not saying i don't like it it just it's never been my go-to well you're the thing is being a duncan person in la sucks because we don't have a lot of them they don't have a lot of them i think they put too much cream in their coffee you know i always have to ask for lead on the cream that's just me sorry for all all the Dunkin' lovers. Yeah. What's your Dunkin' order? Okay. I'll usually just get like a large iced coffee.

And I always, I do still eat the donuts. It used to be Dunkin' Donuts in my day. So I get a strawberry frosted donut. Oh, it's no longer Dunkin' Donuts? It's just Dunkin'. It's just Dunkin'. Oh, true. Yeah.

Yeah. It's still Dunkin' Donuts for me. To me. Yeah. The Google one. I was going to say the Google one was beautiful. I'm watching it. I was holding River. Natalie and her mom were also watching it, but they were like, Natalie was like on her phone and her mom was doing something. So I'm kind of

the only, I'm thinking we're all watching this commercial together. Turns out I'm the only one paying attention. And at the end where they gave birth to, I i don't know if there's i just started i'm bawling sobbing out loud hysterically and no one else was watching i'm like why am i the only one crying i don't know what you're talking about either i must have not been paying attention it's the one it's like it's for the google android phone yeah he's like visual impaired he can't see as clearly he can't see as clearly so and you're see as clearly. So, and then you're seeing the commercial through his POV. So everything's blurry. And there's a technology appearing on the phone where it helps like visually impaired people where it's letting you know there's two faces.

So everything is all right, two faces. So the visually impaired person knows that the two people are in frame. So they go through all these moments and it's like two faces, two faces at the very end. Like I'm getting emotional now. It's like three faces. And then they had their baby. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I'm getting misty from your description.

Yes. And I'm crying over everything now. Everything makes me sob. Yeah. Does that end? No. Yeah. I've become Niagara Falls now.

Being emotional never ends. And the terror never ends, I'm afraid. Talk to me about the terror. Well, I'm 13 years into parenting. I have three sons. They're 13, 11, and 8. And I had so much anxiety when they were born, and I remember thinking, at a certain point, I'm going to just settle into this. But no, there's just a constant news ticker in my head wondering what are they doing how are they you learn to live with it but it is like you finally understand why your own parents had this

you know seemingly oppressive level of concern about you now if that was the case now and i have talked a lot about recently just like you know i've always feel like i've been a very appreciative son but to now have our own daughter and like the love we have for her it's just like, you know, I've always, I always feel like I've been a very appreciative son, but to now have our own daughter and like the love we have for her, it's just like, we probably didn't thank our parents enough. Oh, I said that I started crying in the hospital the day I had my eldest child, because I could not believe how ungrateful I had been to my mother. Right. You kind of feel like, oh, you, you did this for me. You realize how like, oh, I love my daughter so much. I didn't appreciate how much my parents loved me. Yeah, you don't know.

Even though I felt like I did, but I'm crying over everything. It's really exhausting. I feel like I'm constantly dehydrated. So there was that. What was the other Super Bowl commercials? The Temu commercial? The what? The Temu? Temu. So there was that. What was the other Super Bowl commercials? The Temu commercial? The what? The Temu? Temu? Which one was that? And how can they afford

that many spots? I thought Temu was a scam. Was it a video game? They advertise these crazy low prices but most of the time... Oh, was it the shop like a billionaire commercial? What is that? They never send it, so they just take your money. They do send it. but most of the time... Oh, is it the shop like a billionaire commercial? What is that? You don't get what you bought.

They never send it. So they just take your money. They do send it. And I know this because my teenage son likes to order things on Teemu, even though I always tell him it's a crapshoot. I was going to say, my mom does too. Extremely cheap merchandise. It is, I'm assuming, not...

It's like going to the dollar store online or something? Kind of, yeah. I was just shocked to see so many commercials from them because I had heard of it, but I was like, how are they this big that they're able to afford this many spots? No, it was kind of weird. I actually don't know. I guess there are just probably millions of 13-year-olds out there buying knockoff beanies for a dollar. What did we think of all the church organizations having Super Bowl commercials? That felt a little eh for me. Well, we know where the money's going.

Yeah, right? Yeah. I don't know. Couldn't the money be a bit more appropriated to people in need? I mean, I thought it was kind of badass that Mark Wahlberg did a commercial for Lent. He was straight up just like, I don't think that was for profit. It was just like, starve yourself for Jesus. Yeah, maybe.

That was interesting to me as a lapsed Catholic. There was a lot of, you know, Midwest. Yeah. There was just a lot of religious commercials. I don't remember seeing as many in previous Super Bowls. I haven't watched the Super Bowl, so. It's just like a commercialized religion for me i don't know yeah no it's it's a little weird it's a little when you think about how much each

commercial costs to you so much so much yeah what is the average cost seven million dollars oh my god right well then now you're having them like like the paramount one do you see that the that commercial for paramount streaming that was pretty iconic. Everybody was in it, yeah. Yeah, that Drew Barrymore and... Where's Arnold? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Where's Arnold one?

But now they're making commercials, and then you get the truncated version for the Super Bowl, and then they released a longer version online because it's like we can't afford to air the whole one. It costs about $233,000 per second. Wait, so where are the churches getting that money from now that you mentioned it? I guess I like... Exactly. $7 million for 30 seconds. It cost about $233,000 per second. Wait, so where are the churches getting that money from now that you mentioned? I guess the Catholic Church coughed up $7 million.

I guess that was an app. It was like a prayer app. I'm sorry. I'm obsessed with Mark Wahlberg. We love Mark Wahlberg. Donations. Right. So they paid $7 million for the spa.

And then for Mark Wahlberg. Wahlberg probably volunteered his time. He's a pretty devout Catholic. Yeah, he is a very devout Catholic. Every Ash Wednesday, he's posting. He's out there. Yeah, for sure. Speaking of commercials, did everybody see the Beyonce one? And what are her thoughts?

I think it was clever. Do we think that she announced a new album? That's like the tease. I wasn't sure. Is it not out yet? I think she released two songs. Do we not know if something dropped? It did. No, she's releasing a new album. That's something dropped like it did no she's releasing a new album that's why she did it so she's announcing a new country album she dropped two songs during the super bowl and she announced sunday she will release the highly

anticipated second act of her critically acclaimed renaissance album on march 29th it's my birthday oh okay march 29th wait so is that going to going to be like Renaissance visuals or is this the country album? I'm sorry. No, we're not like experts on that. Anyway, I love Beyonce. She also dropped two new songs from the country project. I did hear the new country music. The 20 Texas Hold'em.

Texas Hold'em was great. I listened to it on the way here. I like this direction for her. I kind of love that Jay-Z and Beyonce were, you know, they flashed the celebrities like watching the game. Of course, Jay-Z and Beyonce were watching it with the founder of course jay-z and beyonce were watching it with uh the founder of twitter like hanging out with tech billionaires like it's very um like they're not hanging with other celebrities they're they're they're hanging with tech billionaires

they're moguls yes yeah that's just like yes they're very on brand i respected it uh what do we think of usher's halftime show i enjoyed it i mean i'm the target audience for that like it's our generation yeah i got emotional i enjoyed it. I mean, I'm the target audience for that. It's our generation. Yeah, I got emotional. I enjoyed it. I felt like some people online didn't love it. Everyone's a critic, but did you not like it? I feel bad for roasting his dance moves a couple of weeks ago because he has a robot

kind of dance move. But I watched his halftime show and it was good. And the second he came out on the roller skates, I was like- The roller skating was iconic. He has talent. It was amazing. I don't think people appreciate the catalog of hits that he has hits on hits hit after hit so many good ones and then when when he came out uh with confessions like in my mind i'm thinking like in a fantasy world this is how

tom sandoval kind of visualized how he wished he would have told ariana like he would have invited her to like swartz and sandys and got on stage and saying confessions to her like that's how tom sandoval's wishes he would have told ariana that he was cheating on her by singing her confessions like in a very performative way that's all i could think about while watching usher sing confessions in front of millions of people yeah yeah like that's how he like it's like that's why that's why he didn't tell ariana because he was, he was waiting for the perfect moment to be invited to the Superbowl. Well, or just like waiting to invite Ariana to like a big,

like, you know, Tom Sandoval and the heartbreaker. What is it? Tom Sandoval and the what? I don't, it's a Tom's most extras, most extras.

But yeah, that's, that's how I think I, that's how I think he envisioned telling Ariana. I loved when Usher took his shirt off. He's looking great. Oh my God. He's looking great oh my god he's looking great i think he's 45 i might be really wrong there he's older than me he's 45 yeah he's 45 the same age as me i'm not gonna take my shirt off at the super bowl i'll tell you that much he looks great i'm not taking my shirt off at the super bowl and are people giving

him and alicia key's? What's going on there? People just think that it was very intimate, the way that he held her from behind. But then Swizz Beatz came out and was like, what are you? They're literally performers. What are you talking about? Yeah.

This is not the Janet Jackson, Justin Timberlake moment that people are trying to make it. I'm just going to say it. I have noticed this as a trend, that Gen Z is kind of prudish yeah and i don't know why that is i just have an issue with everyone and everything they're kind of i'm sorry are you gen z i'm gen z yeah sorry you're you're the exception yeah but they're they i didn't have a problem with it so gen z always looks at it

it's like every situation they. What's wrong with this? Like, you got to find something wrong. I mean, for me, it's more like I have heard that they are actually like having less sex than any generation prior to them. And I'm like, that is very interesting. I think they're too occupied. There's too much to do. That is very interesting. Yeah.

Or they don't have enough to do. You know, maybe there's too busy sitting on their phones without like personal responsibility i mean i might have been less horny if i'd had tiktok in college yeah why do you think because i would have been getting dopamine from scrolling instead of right yeah it's like the people that say porn can ruin sex for you yeah yeah yeah instead of pining over some guy or whatever or trying to get laid, you're just like you're on TikTok

and you're just less focused on waiting for the phone to ring. I remember doing a lot of that. That doesn't happen anymore. I would have got less tick if we were on TikTok with a line. That's great.

I will say there's two Gen Zs. There's the Gen Z that grew up with iPads and then there's the Gen Z like me where we had like the box TVs and we made food outside in the dirt. Like, so like there's the ones that like grew up with technology and then there's the Gen Z that grew up with iPads. And then there's the Gen Z like me where we had like the box TVs and we made food outside in the dirt. Like, so like there's the ones that like grew up with technology. And then there's ones that like.

Wait, what did you grow up with? What do we have? Like box TVs and then like making food out of dirt. I don't know if that's something that everybody did. What do you mean making food out of dirt? Like not real food, but they'd send you outside and you'd like find dirt and mushrooms and then like make it into like a cake. Oh, yeah, yeah. I used to pretend it was tea.

Oh, so that's like a normal childhood. I was like, drink this after tea. Normal childhood. Like real pretend. You actually had to pretend. There's two different types of Gen Z.

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Yeah, I'm starting to get into it. Oh, spoiler alert. If you're not watching Traders yet, we are going to be talking about it. So cover your ears, earmuffs. Watch it. If you're not caught up yet. But I'm really disappointed in Peter Weber. It's like he got so excited that they followed his plan that he kind of blew his wad.

Yeah, I don't think that him turning down the invitation was his fault. I think that it was the way that he handled it afterwards, like not telling anyone, looking all suspicious. He felt so good about a decision to turn down the invitation to be a traitor that he didn't anticipate the fallout of what that meant because immediately they were going to suspect that someone got asked.

And I don't know why he kept it a secret. And then he has this little click. Yeah, he kind of blew his wad a little bit. I don't know. I just don't like that he's kicking everyone out. It's also making people angry. It's a little clicky. Yeah.

Yeah. They kicked Phaedra out and then MK and... Yeah. He's taking over a little bit because Trishel, she's right to suspect Phaedra. And her plan was actually better than Peter's. He's like over a little bit because Trishel, she's right to suspect Phaedra. And her plan was actually better than Peter's. He's like, I don't know. I think we should kick off Phaedra.

Because it's like everyone knows that Parvati is a traitor. Right. So keep her around. So keep like, we'll worry about her later. And she was like one step ahead of Peter being like, well, what if we try to identify the other traitor? And Peter was just ignoring her. He got a little too cocky. It's just like he set up, he set a trap, the trap worked and now he's, he's Sherlock Holmes.

Yeah. I was a little disappointed that there was no eviction. Man, they got it. I don't know. They got to change it up a little bit. Yeah. But I was excited for Peter to get sent home. I wanted Peter to get saved because Peter is, he's been good television. He's, I was, I wanted, I hope Trish to get sent home i wanted i wanted peter to get saved because peter is he's

been good television he's i was i wanted trish i hope she'll get sent home do you feel like an emotional kinship with people who've been on the bachelor depends on who it is okay yeah i was just curious i like peter uh i think he's a swell guy i like how he's playing the game overall i don't also like how trichelle was begging every second she had something to say i deserve this more than you it's like it's a game like i am surprised how like it is just a game and like some of them are really i mean you have to play to win if you're gonna show up like i would go hard if i was on a show like that i'd go hard too but i wouldn't beg i don't like the i deserve this more

than someone else energy convince me why you're an asset to the team rather than you deserve it more than someone else right yeah she wasn't really saying much she was just like save me there was no reason do you think they're gonna like actually get more traders because power poverty is about she has to her time is running out i don't know how she just survives this i think parvati will go home and then they'll leave it to phaedra to recruit someone else phaedra might win i think phaedra is gonna win she's good she's very good like it just cuts her and she's like like she's just making like facial expressions that are like perfect for every moment yeah and she's very she's hard to suspect yeah she's very like uh she's just she's

never overdoing it and she's letting other people take the heat for her i do think trichelle needs to go home for phaedra to win that's a good point because trichelle's the only one on to phaedra and i think that if trichelle lasts another week she's gonna make something happen and trichelle she called it out. She suspected Phaedra because Dan. And that makes a lot of sense because Dan called her out. And he's like, if Dan was on his last rope and he is

loyal to no one. Right. Why else would he do that? Yeah, exactly. It would have been smart for Dan to call out another traitor. So Trishel's all over that and no one's listening to her. Dan's fault was that he picked the wrong one. But Trishel's all over that and no one's listening to her. Dan's fault was that he picked the wrong one but Trishel's smart enough to see that he was going to pick

a traitor to throw under the bus to save himself. So you think Phaedra? Do you think Peter has a chance? Or do you think Peter blew his mind? I think Peter blew his mind. I want Peter to go home. You're over it. I think he didn't do much. He created the suspicion and now he's just a ringleader calling the shots.

All right, well that about does it for Traders. As a reminder, if you guys want to catch up and watch Traders with us, it's on Peacock every Thursday at 9 p.m. Eastern. So check it out, catch up with us. You can binge the very bingeable show. We'll be getting into it next week. Do you have a favorite reality TV franchise? I mean, you know I'm a Bachelor Nation girly.

Yeah. Obviously. How long have you been watching? Honestly, I think I started watching like Alex Michelle. Like season one. You saw season one? Hell yeah. You have to understand though, like you're slightly younger than me.

In the early 2000s, there was like appointment television that everybody watched. And that was one of those shows. There have been multiple seasons that I have missed. There have been so many. But I've generally I've been a faithful watcher. What was your favorite season? You know, I really love Ben Higgins. I don't know why. There's just there's something about that man that I find incredibly endearing. So I enjoyed that season, but I've enjoyed many. Which ones did you not regret missing? Or did you, oh, a better question. Which, did you ever regret missing a season that you saw? Like you skipped it and then all of a sudden you heard about it. There was one season, and I don't know if I can get all the names of the personnel, but something really dramatic happened where he like picked someone and then picked someone

else at the rose ceremony. Or I mean at the, after the, like they. Peter did that. Okay. But Peter wasn't. Did you watch Peter's season? No, I I mean, after the... Peter did that. Okay. Did you watch Peter's season? No, I didn't. Peter's is a good season. Okay, so that's what I regret.

I regret the ones where crazy shit goes down in the postseason. Those are the ones I regret missing. That was Molly and Melissa. Okay, that with Jason Mesnick. Yeah, that was the OG one. He was the first to do it. Peter's season was pretty iconic. People slept on that one.

Before we get into Bachelor, we got some VPR to just address. So did you listen to the Tom Sandoval episode that we did with the Toms? I did listen to it. And that was, I think, great journalism. It went viral for a reason. I gained a lot of insight into the man's character watching that. What did you think? Because you're not a

big VPR watcher. I'm not and I regret that now. I wasn't as recently as last year. It's very easy to catch up because if you watch what is it about Bachelor

that I mean you know you got into it early it was appointment television but what what about that show has kept you coming back? Like what do you love about it? Here's what's so interesting and Any long-running reality franchise, you can observe this happening,

but the contestants start to evolve in terms of how they behave. When I first started watching the show, it was people who were on the show looking for love, and now it's people who are looking to create a brand, as you know. I just find it fascinating to watch people assume these roles that they've created they're they're playing characters because they're hoping to parlay this into something see that's why you need to get into vanderpump yeah because what's so fascinating about bravo world in general is like with bachelor there's that start and stop you know they're in this bubble they're not in the bubble and yeah it's interesting to watch how they handle

or or work with the platforms they're given but like vanderpump or just bravo in general there's these like recurring shows with recurring casts and i'm so fat i've become so fascinating as someone who wasn't that big of a bravo fan as recently as a year ago and now is like full on into the Bravo verse. Yeah. It's so unclear where these characters start and stop between like, am I watching the character on a television show or is this who they really are? For some of them, it is and some of it isn't. Like, you know, Thomas Sandoval, like what I've learned by getting to know him is like, there's no difference between the man you're watching on a television show and the person I've got to know in real life. And other people, it's just like. Yeah, I was going to say, have you met people that you feel are fundamentally different than what they present?

more, you know, even for me, like I think I'm bachelor world, like, can I be divisive? Am I outspoken? Am I honest to a fault at times? Sure. But like, I'm not like that every step of the way, you know, in life or like, I'm not always seeking out the drama. And, you know, like, so I think a lot of ways, aspects of me weren't like fully represented. And I think that with bachelor, it's easier to silo someone because we only see them for a season or two. So it's harder to find out who they are as a person because they're only siloed into one character. But with these recurring characters on these shows,

you're seeing them season in and season out. So we've seen their softer side. We've seen their harsher side. We've seen their messy side. We've seen their non-messy side. And it's just like, that's just kind of who they are. They've had their villain season. They've had their hero season and everything in between. And it's just been really fascinating to watch. It's fun watching people get a redemption arc. Yeah, for sure. But I do feel like with some of the housewives, I've noticed it's just a little bit more like,

it's the job, you know, especially when they lean into the drama. I feel like some housewives love the drama and some housewives are more like you know it's like i have to show up to a dinner party and yell sometimes yeah with vanderpump i feel like those are those characters do we have that music video did you your your your team is here uh for the audience their big vanderpump what did you think of Sheena's music video? The one they flashed in the last episode. I remember when the season aired and I remember, and then just watching it. That was a jump scare. It was.

Do we have it? Can we watch it? I can't believe that's a thing that anyone surrounding her in her world, I don't know what her team is like, was like, yeah, good idea. I didn't know this existed.

I don't, was it, do you think it was her Kim Kardashian moment? I think she was trying for it to be her Kim K moment. Is this old or new? Was this on Earth? It's an older video that she dropped. So for those of you who don't know.

It was scrubbed from the internet for allegations of being violated. Like personal allegations. It was scrubbed from the internet? Yeah. So you could probably find it deeper in there. But from a public standpoint, you can't find it. Why was it scrub from like a public standpoint you can't find why was it scrubbed and how do you scrub how does someone her pr team i don't it's the person that was in the video with her said that he felt violated so oh he felt violated oh my god this is this is what people think so it's and i wasn't a

vanderpump fan like two years ago so was this a big moment in the vanderpump world when this video i mean it was just wild watching it you know it was silly they show the tape the like it was basically like skinamax yeah it was it was raunchy and like like vander apparently wasn't that scrub because vanderpump like clips put a clip in the episode and a pretty yeah scandalous clip too. Like the part of the music video that they shared. It was, I- Everything is gone.

Yeah. Oh my God. It's, so how do you think they got the clip? I'm sure Sheena was like, it's on my private drive, here it is. When you said Kim Kardashian moment, you were referring to Kim Kardashian's sex tape. Yes.

I thought you were talking about when Kim Kardashian tried to be a pop star with her song jam i don't i was unaware when did that it was a long time ago but it lives on in my heart song yeah incredible yeah are you are you being serious you like it i mean it's like it's similar to like a good as gold sounding it's like one more shot of tequila yeah that's literally how she sounds yeah 2011 she's not a vocalist they play in my jam jam they play in my jam jam that's how it goes is that the song yeah yeah wow uh i i think i gotta give sheena credit for just trying and failing and and keep going you know the same shameless execution i like when people put

themselves out there yeah you know but it was it now and i were watching it and it was a bit of a it's an alarming video such i'm scary just really i would love to ask sheena like what did we think the reaction would be and she got a lot sounds like she got a lot of heat from it and for have her co-star being like no no i need you to, I need you to scrub the internet. Did she get sued or something? I don't remember. I mean, clearly, Vanderpump has the clip because they showed it, you know, seasons back. So I'm sure that's, you know, theirs. Yeah.

Fascinating. I saw that. I had so many more questions about this video. You were mentioning before we started your opinion on breaking up with people and moving on and how Tom Sandoval in our interview seemed to be resistant to allowing Ariana

to still show anger towards him. Yeah, because... I wonder if you could elaborate on that. No, so I guess my perspective on this is I'll fully admit that I have been the villain in breakups before, for sure. If you break up with someone, as I always say, you have to let them hate you. Absolutely.

They'll be the bad guy. The way I see it is anyone whose heart I have broken is entitled to hate me for the rest of their life. They can talk as much shit about me as they want. They can want the earth to swallow me up and that's fine. They can do that. So for me, I was fascinated watching that interview because it felt like I actually have empathy for him as a person because I feel like being hated on that scale, I think is difficult for anyone. Yes. But I think that being frustrated that there's residual pettiness or a lack of forgiveness there or an inability to move on to me feels very entitled and strange yeah i don't like i as a fan watching it do i

think ariana kind of maybe needs to move on a little bit yeah totally for sure like watching the last episode she was i think she was even losing katie like in the after show and like katie was trying to be a friend to ariana like asking her questions and like you know i get it she's like tom doesn't deserve my trust when she's going over bills and stuff but like i'll say this about ariana and tom in the house you're still investing a lot of energy into tom sandoval and it's kind of like now she's got another boyfriend and i get it i get you don't want him to have the house i get he doesn't deserve it but you're still giving a lot of shits to

tom sandoval that she doesn't need to to give a shit maybe it's for the show i mean maybe she's just like taking one for the team and it's like if they don't have this storyline what do they have because right now it's most it's a lot of like their living situation the show was also filmed very shortly after this all went down, right? Yeah. I mean, they basically started filming weeks after they filmed the reunion. Maybe like a month or something. This was filmed like three or four months ago.

Yeah. In the summer, right after Tom got back from Special Forces. So Tom was still like trying to date Raquel. Who, by the way, was in fashion. She walked to the New York Fashion Week and I say good for her I like that she's actually doing something else other than talking about

Scandaval on her show and actually like moving forward with her life because it's just a little you know that's the smartest thing she can do well now she's just like blaming Tom for everything which to me doesn't sound like she's learned much she doesn't get to blame Tom yeah it's like Tom made me do this which to me, it doesn't sound like she's learned much. She doesn't get to blame Tom. Yeah.

It's like, Tom made me do this. Tom, he, you know, it's yeah, I get everyone hates Tom Sandoval right now. And I just don't think Tom Sandoval is that sophisticated to manipulate anyone into doing anything like you have to take some personal accountability. I think it's probably a panic response. Like if I was her age and I was experiencing like that level of public hate, I would do anything I could to squirrel my way out of that narrative and shift the blame. I guess. Speaking transparently.

But shifting the blame just makes her, I don't, I don't think anyone has an appetite for that for her. No, they probably don't. do like that she actually is moving on with her life and good for her for doing getting into the i mean she was she is a model so what what show did she model for she did the glotty by johanna hernandez show okay and she felt a sense of relief after she finished her walk okay yeah yeah i do feel like that after everything yeah going to the bathroom yeah literally i just say good for her she i'm glad she's doing something else and pivoting because again quitting the show only to talk about the show just isn't it let us do that yeah yeah do you think raquel would ever come on and try to on this show by the way what is what i mean and to give an interview that tom

couldn't do you think she could answer my questions the way in a way sandoval couldn't would you watch the show if we did that yeah of course i'd watch that yeah there you go i don't think she will i think she she would try because she's using her show to speak bad about sandoval so she can't just keep like repeating it you know which makes me think she would come on and do the exact same thing that tom did but just maybe a little less chaotic. It would definitely be less chaotic. But I think that she would come on and double down the same way he did. Yeah, but I think it would be an opportunity for her to not do.

Yeah, just like it was for Tom. But I mean, she's doing it on her own show, so why wouldn't she do it here is my thought. Only because I feel like she's... I don't think she's totally in charge of the show she's making over there. Oh. Yeah. I think. That is a good point. The powers that be are trying to milk all the scandal

out and she's getting bad advice. Right, because they're like, what else would this show be about? I mean, I didn't watch this show or know who any of these people were prior to this scandal. So in a way, it was like incredibly fruitful for all involved.

Truly. Except for Tom Schwartz, it seems like. He really didn't benefit at all. Yeah. He talks about that in the episode where he's like, he talks about what was it, Schwartz and Sandys and how the business partners were like, Sandoval, you need to remove yourself. But then Schwartz was like, but I didn't want you to fully remove yourself. Yeah. The friendship, I really would like to see.

I'm glad they can be friends and all, but like, Swartzen really needs to work on being okay with people not liking him. It's not a good skill. That's not a good trait, the whole like people pleasing obsession. I don't know. Well, he even says when they're out getting drinks, Tom and Tom, Tom Sandoval says, do you think that you could be friends with me again? And Schwartz was like, I don't know. I'm going to do what's best for me. And I was just like, yeah, right. I don't buy it at all. Yeah. The most frustrating part about that friendship is that you just know, even just watching the interview, that Sandoval wouldn't do for schwartz which schwartz always does for sandoval which katie always pointed out it's just like he wouldn't be this type of friend

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What do you think of Joey? How are you enjoying this season? I'm enjoying it a lot, actually. It's interesting for me as I have gotten older and the contestants stay the same age or in this season, they seem very young to me. So it's like for me watching people in their 20s navigate the situation is that it has there's a whole new kind of facet to it now that I'm a middle aged person. Do you like it more or less now that you have? Because when you started watching it, you were in the in your early 20s.

Yeah, I was. I like watching it more. I mean, I can kind of live vicariously through these people who are, you know, embarking on a new adventure and looking for the one. And Joey, I think, is very charming. Yeah, he's very charming. We haven't had a charming bachelor in a while. Yeah, he seems like a really nice guy. Yeah.

And the girls, I mean, they're definitely bringing the drama. I have not been, I don't think, ever so triggered by a contestant than I am by Sydney. These pants I'm wearing? Uh-huh. I bought them from Sydney. From her boutique? Did you actually? I did.

I didn't realize this. So I found out through the internet. Ashley Iaconetti, your friend of mine, got her on the show. And Ashley talked about this because she's defending her friend. Okay, so they were friends before? Because I saw Ashley with Sydney on Instagram and I was like, what? Yeah,

no, that's, that's how Sydney got on the show. And when I was on my book tour, I went to Rhode Island and Ashley and Jared have their coffee shop. And now and I went there and apparently Sydney was at the coffee shop. That's where I first met her. And then we went to her thrift store, which is a lovely store, by the way.

And I got these jeans. All right. There are some great vintage Levi's. I couldn't agree more with you. I've never been so triggered by a contestant. But I do want to, and I hate that I have to always say this, but can people stop just actually harassing people? Like she is receiving like.

Oh yeah, that's ridiculous. Death threats. People are leaving nasty. You're getting adult women leaving voicemails to her store saying just horrific things. I don't think Sydney can blame her behavior totally on the edit,

but this show is edited and they do edit out context and they do oversimplify. And I don't think anyone should ever be judged about who they are from simply knowing them from watching The Bachelor. So like we can have our takes and we can be triggered and we can be critical, but people stop it. Like you can't criticize Sydney for what she's doing and then go online and send these people messages and bully their businesses and try to harass them just because you don't

like a character well i think people have a misplaced sense of justice perhaps because they felt like we didn't really see consequences for sydney on the show other than her getting the boot so sorry dorothy from wherever the fuck it's not your job it's not your job you're not that you can't be the vigilante here and yeah i agree but yeah. But yeah, Cindy, I mean, props to her. She she got me the I bought these jeans from her. So they are very nice. But yes, I've never been so triggered by someone every step of the way. Did you see her get ready with me while I explain glass gaslighting video? I didn't. But I mean, she would understand gaslighting. I don't know if she does, though. Okay, because she's But I mean, she would understand gaslighting. I don't know if she does, though. Okay. Because she's guilty of it.

Yeah. She gave the Internet's version of gaslighting, which is basically like bullshit. It's just like, well, if someone says that didn't happen, then they're gaslighting. Sydney's definition of gaslighting would have meant that I would have meant I was gaslighting Tom and the interview when Tom accused me of being late. And I was like, no, I wasn't late. That didn't happen that way. That was according to Sydney. That's gaslighting is like when people when you feel manipulated or disagree with someone's take on a situation, apparently you're being gaslit. Yeah. And that's not what it means. But also just the double downness of it all. Like you can't sit there and blame the edit and talk about how, you know,

it's no, that's not something that's not what happened. I was right. They were wrong. And then do the very thing that people are criticizing you for. And I don't think Sydney fully realizes why she's being criticized. No, I don't think so either. And I think that's what's so frustrating about watching her is that she's totally oblivious to her role in this. And she went 100, like she said in this episode, I know I'm right. And that she's totally oblivious to, yeah, her role in this. And she went 100, like she said in this episode, I know I'm right. And that was the most,

and I say this without knowing who she is as a person, that was the most Sydney thing to say. And you know who it reminds me of? Like Maria in Sydney, Corinne and Taylor from my season. Oh yeah. Like, we haven't had a lot of Corinne since Corinne.

But Maria seems to have that kind of Corinne energy. And it's a very fine line, which is why a lot of people can't pull it off. It's the, listen, this isn't that serious energy. Like whatever, who gives a shit? Like it is The Bachelor. Let's have a little fun. And Sydney and her little mean girl group

are just so serious about The Bachelor. Yeah. And they've watched all the seasons and there's certain rules and you have to act a certain way. And Cindy is there to make friends. That's what's ironic about this. She's there to make friends and she's made her little group of friends. And I've always said this. I say this every season. If there's ever a bully in any season, the bully is the house. Oh, wow. So think about it. No.

You have a collection of 25 to 35 people. It's high school-esque. I don't care how old you are. When you go on The Bachelor, you're back in high school. It's clicky. You immediately are drawn to people who remind you of you or have similar interests. Yeah. And then there's a competing element to it.

And so it's very easy in this environment to see people who are different than you as bad. Right. Because I wouldn't operate that way. If they like that person for that behavior, then they must not like me. And it's very kind of oversimplified. Are there people in the house who have an early awareness that they're not going to win? And they are there simply to survive and to maintain whatever privilege they have in the hierarchy? I think there's a... Yes. Because that's the vibe I got from Sydney.

I don't think Sydney ever believed that she was going to be chosen. You think she did? I think there's a couple different types of people. I think there's people who pretty quickly self-aware. It's like this person. I'm not into this person. They're not into me. I made some friends.

I'm going to stick around as long as I can and just have some fun. Right. And then there's people who, you know, because it's the job, it's the lead's job to lead people on, to give every individual an attention and to, you know, to focus on building connection with everyone. That's the lead's job. And there's people like Sydney who, and I don't know this to be true about her, but she gives off the vibe to me that she believes any little thing that Joey would say and, and convince herself that she does have a connection. And so I think it's obvious to everyone else in the house, but her that there, I don't think there is a connection at all, but I don't think she sees it that way. I think she's obvious to everyone else in the house but her that there I don't think there

is a connection at all but I don't think she sees it that way I think she thinks there's a connection okay yeah okay and I think there's a lot of people like Taylor I mean it's I I mean watching Sydney and Maria just reminds me so much of Corinne and Taylor and like you could not convince taylor that she was wrong i mean if i had to hear that she went to john hopkins oh i know we all got tired of that yeah and that whole like self-righteous you know attitude and like i i'm sure maria you know said some things that ruffled sydney i'm i'm sure she's guilty of all the things that sy said. It doesn't even matter. I think Maria is guilty. And this is possibly just my crush talking. But I think she's just guilty of being incredibly hot.

And that's problematic for some people. I think she's so hot, so charismatic. And that's why Sydney, there's one point where she totally exposed herself and was like, I don't care if she did it or not. She needs to go. Yeah. I don't care if she did it or not. She needs to go. It's like you just perceive her as a threat. That's when when she came out, when she went to did the whole outfit change.

Yeah. I think Sydney and some of those girls were just like, I would never. And the fact that they would never. Like I said, they see that as bad. They see that as evil. They see that as low character. And Maria's just like, it's not that serious. I'm just having fun. I mean, and Sydney's just like it's not that serious i'm just having fun i mean

and cindy's just like no this isn't fun this is this is the bachelor this is a fucking bachelor i'm here to find love this is not about having fun and like they'll see is like goofing around or jokes is disrespectful to the process yeah and shit like that but it's so just to have that self-righteous attitude it's just again it's it's not about who said what who gives a shit these are adult women who just might not be getting along yeah that doesn't mean you're being bullied it and it's the way cindy talks about it's affecting my health what i mean it was her she's breaking out her digestive system she nailed the victim monologue of like yes my mental health bullying those those words those buzzwords that people use and it's scary because it's like sydney she believes it yeah and i i i

say this on good authority that she got back from the show and went to her friends, Ashley and Jared, to talk about her experience. And she, I guarantee you, she felt like she told that story as if you'll never guess what happened. I'm going to look so good. This Maria girl, she's going to look crazy and awful and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I guarantee you that was her perspective. And I think it seems like Cindy's going around again, blaming the edit. Oh, you don't understand. You don't understand. And again, Cindy's the type of person it seems again, I don't know who she is, but from watching the show, it just doesn't, she can't, she can't see the other side.

Yeah. She can't understand that it's not about, you know, whether Maria said or didn't say something. And the fact that she is, you know, trying to talk to us and educate us on gaslighting when maybe she should be educating herself on like projecting. Yes. She should be educating herself on projecting because she's just projecting her own insecurities onto Maria. Because, yeah, like that, it just comes down to to I think she's just threatened by Maria. She's threatened by her charisma.

She sees the chemistry that Joey has for Maria and not for her. Yeah. And it's just like it's so obvious. What do you think about the part where

Sydney says that Maria told Leia to shut the fuck up and then they have this whole debate

of whether or not that was or wasn't said. Well, I laughed when Maria was like, I would never say something like that. I'm like, okay, you've never told someone to shut the fuck up? Like, of course you've said...

Like, the fact that we're watching The Bachelor... And by the way, another reason why you need to watch Vanderpump, because it's comical watching The Bachelor and watching these fights over, like like two men or two women, you know, being like, I would never tell someone to shut the fuck up. How could anyone say something so horrific and so grotesque? You would say, shut the fuck up. You know, they talk so hyperbolically about like just having an argument about someone. On

Vanderpump, people are just doing the most diabolical things to each other. And that's real drama. So if you like, it's such manufactured drama on The Bachelor, watch Vanderpump and you will get real drama. You will get people who will sleep with sex workers and then gaslight their friends and get them to believe other people. You sold me. It's it's I know it was it actually is really funny. It is like so kind of ABC, to be honest, that they were treating like shut the fuck up. Like it was like some. Yeah, I would never say shut the fuck up. You got Joey being like that really scared me. Did you say did you tell her to shut the fuck up? I mean, maybe she did. I mean, I'm mad again when I say the bullies, the house, you show up. You don't know anyone. No one's really your friend you're all by yourself you got producers who like maybe you can trust but not really you have a bunch of people who you're kind of being becoming friends with but everyone's competing for the same thing so really you are alone and then you meet uh you know these women have been friends for what two seconds eight days

maybe even less and then you know and they're being catty they're click and you can tell maria doesn't have a lot of friends in the house what's her name the sister that's like her only friend they kind of point that out right so because these other the most of the women are they seem to be team sydney it's like the well-behaved and they're such mean girls like they're they are deciding that they're deciding how you're supposed to behave in that house right and if you don't behave the way the collective the the majority thinks that you should behave then you're an outsider and if you're an outsider you're bad and that's how it happens every season that's why i

always say the house is the bully no it's true anyone who's accusing someone of being a bully is usually the bully in the house uh and then and then what's and then what was it yeah we see at the end with leia i mean could to sit there and say like i can't believe that you were nice to maria it was the most mean girl shit to say and keep them i i understand loyalty i'm all for being loyal i'm not i'm all for not being two-faced but you've known these people for eight days i know so you're expecting this girl to like still be mean to Maria because why? Because like Cindy decided to put her business where it didn't belong.

Yeah. Poor Medina is just caught in this. Yeah. Medina's getting hate too, by the way. Why? Online. Why? Because just of her.

Because she's pulled into it. Yeah. Because just because she was like, she didn't hate Maria enough or something. I don't know. I just saw that she had posted some vile. so people are taking leia's side then yeah i just think people are so triggered by sydney and this like the what appears to be the false accusation of bullying and of in verbal abuse and that medina was like kind of what started it all and maria's comment it was like syd Sydney was defending Medina.

They're saying that Medina should have been the one to defend herself not Sydney, right? So they're getting mad that Sydney's team. Maybe that was what caused it. But I think Medina's going to come across I think Bachelor Nation will like how she handled herself this episode. Because she was just like, she really pushed back in the best possible way. I think Leia came off really

Mean girl. Yeah. Mean girl. I didn't know she had that in her. I know. I was really sad about it because I liked her. Yeah. And she went from burning up the card because she didn't want to be a mean girl. That was our first intro to her to then have her do this. It's like you feel a sense of like letdown or like betrayal because you're like, we were all rooting for you. I know.

She seemed like a girl's girl. I don't know if we've seen this on a two-on-one before, but Joey just fully speaking to both of them of like, what connection do you see us having at this point? And talk to me about how invested you are in this connection, why you think we're going to work. I thought that was a really interesting question and to see their answers on both sides. And then Cindy, their answers were so telling. Cindy's is like, I did this for you. I, I did this.

It's very much me, me, me. I deserve this. I did this right. I did this for you. And Maria's is like, well,

listen, I mean, I liked you, but like all of a sudden, I don't know. We'll see. But I, you know,

I'm caught up in this bullshit. She handled it. Maria handled it perfectly. I apologize if you get these questions all the time, but I am, I need to know, is there a scenario where the producers would say to joey like actually you need to know that maria did not bully anybody and sydney is is no for the most part they don't interfere to that degree they would not for the most part they would not interfere the only way they would interfere is if let's say we're getting towards the end and maria was joey's number one

and nevertheless maria was involved in house drama and it got its way to joey and joey was having second thoughts about his number one and let's say he didn't like anyone else and it was like it's maria or bust so they would then the outcome they might they might try to protect the lead's favorite at that point be like yeah you know consider the sources you know these okay they don't you know that they might do that but not at this stage not at this okay. The fact that there is a 2-1 this early, unfortunately for Maria, it's a kiss of death. If Maria was in Joey's top three at this point,

I don't see any way that they would allow a 2-1-1 to happen this early. I kind of disagree. I think that she's going to go far. I kind of thought that too, but you would know better than I would, Nick. I mean, going far and being someone's top three are two different things. I think she's going to be top four, top three.

Well, Corinne was top four. Right. That's what I was actually going to ask you. Corinne's number one in my heart. Corinne, excellent television. But I'm just saying when the lead, after every day, kind of regroups with their producers, and they kind of do a whole like power ranking of like, all right, where are you at with, you know, your connections? Who do you

like the most? Because that Matt, I mean, they're, like I said, it's one A and one B in terms of priority. Making an excellent TV show is top priority first and foremost, obviously, but making sure that the lead finds love is, is up there. Not, not quite as high as making great television, but it's a very close second. So they do prioritize that. They want the lead to make a genuine connection. So they are asking the lead,

all right, have your feelings changed? Has someone moved up? You know, where are you at? And so, you know, for Corinne,

like I was never going to pick Corinne. If I didn't care about also making excellent television, I would have sent Corinne home night one. Tea.

That is tea. I would have, you know, nothing about Corinne spoke like this is someone I'm going to end up with. Well, on behalf of the audience, I thank you for keeping her around because it really did. Yes. I took great pride in also helping make, you could do both. You know, I was like like i only had real one connection so i was everything else was about you know so you think maria's just there for the tv then

i i don't know okay i don't i don't know joey night one seemed to have a visceral reaction to maria coming out of the limo he He seems attracted to her. She does have good chemistry. Joey does seem like someone who plays things safe. He seems drama. Definitely. He seems drama-averse, for sure. Drama-averse. So just knowing that Maria is a part of drama, I think will be a turnoff for him long-term.

I'm just saying that if Joey was like, I really think I could pick Maria. I think Maria is someone that I might end up with. There's no way she gets a two-on-one. I really don't think that. I think he's just like, yeah, I think he's got at least two or three much stronger connections.

Jen. Yeah, I don't know. That's not as, okay. I think he kind of likes her. Okay. I love this. Okay. Keep going.

Who's got the first one-on-one? Was that Daisy? Daisy. Daisy, yeah. I like her. I don't know if he does, but I do. I think she is Bachelorette gold. I think if you're a producer on this show,

even if Daisy's Joey's favorite, I could see the producers trying to sabotage that relationship. So that she'll be Bachelorette? So that she could be. I mean she'll be Bachelorette. So that she could be. I mean, she is Bachelorette gold. I mean, as dumb as it sounds, like Bachelor Nation in general loves a blonde. Interesting.

They do. They seem to go more nuts for the blondes, like the Emily Maynards and the cochlear implants. Great story arc there. She's just very likable. She's very likable. She's doing really well on social media. Yeah, she's just very likable she's very likable she's doing really well on social media yeah she's just she's very charismatic and she's just such an obvious choice i mean like i don't think we've had such an obvious lead choice from any respective season in the past several

seasons as obvious as daisy if not her who else would you guys think would be the next i have no that's the thing it's first of all it's only we're like what week four yeah yeah that's one that's kind of my point is that davy daisy is so obvious of a choice that usually it's just too early to tell you know i could see the powers that be as it gets towards the end especially if like joey's on the fence i will say he said joey said Joey said that Daisy made him feel special. Joey does a good job of articulating. He does a really good job

of making seem like every girl is his front runner when he's talking about them. He does a very good job that way. He's just like, in this moment, I could only think about you or I can only think about her.

And it's just like, oh, very interesting thing to say. Someone you're not going to pick. No, not Autumn. Who else we got? Who's, I keep saying this every episode, the girl who brought him the doll. You like Kelsey.

I think that's Kelsey A. Yeah. Yes. She is top three for sure. Okay. Mark my words. Let's see how that plays out. I think you're right.

Mark my words. Daisy's top three. Oh out. I think you're right. Mark my words. Daisy's top three. Oh, who's the one he had a connection with? I think he likes Rachel a lot. Who got the group date, Rose? Oh, Kelsey T. Oh, wait, Lexi. I thought he had a connection with her.

Watch out for Kelsey T. Okay. Watch out for Kelsey T. I think she could be top four. Lexi, for sure, strong. And that's what I'm saying. So I think Maria, he thinks she's fun. I don't think she's in his top three in terms of, hey, I could pick her. Wow. And I think with Daisy, if Joey's on the fence, they're going to want Daisy to be the bachelorette so bad that and that's that's happened in the past i never considered that they could sabotage a relationship to try and

they i think they walk a fine line i think they walk a very fine line but i think there have been conversations in the past during like so once they separate them you know final four they'll separate usually you know in previous seasons they've had them live together but it's a lot of independent time with like final the the final four is experienced and the bachelor is very different than everyone else's in a typical like non-covid season filming is eight to nine weeks and it takes four and a half to five weeks to get to top four which means you have three and a half to four weeks of filming with only four left so that if filming experience you do a lot more b-roll you have a lot more downtime you're by yourself you're talking with producers you really get to know the you know the team a lot more it's just way more intimate and within

that time there's a lot of conversations with producers and in the final four it's a fine line but there have been conversations of finalists who have, you know, the powers that be have come down and just maybe tease the idea of being the next lead. Oh. You know,

and plant that seed in their head and maybe... And that must be very alluring to some people. Oh, for sure. Perhaps more so than true love. Yeah. That's been done. And some people for sure perhaps more so than true love yeah that's been done and

some people haven't uh taken the bait i believe uh suzy evans was propositioned before she ended up with clayton i believe allegedly uh it's been done before okay so i just think daisy's such an obvious choice uh for the next lead that if there was any chance at Joey not picking Daisy, they gave him as many other options as possible. Do you have any insight not to derail this particular topic, but do you have any ideas who the golden bachelorette might be? I don't. No, I really don't.

I love the old people. I heard on the radio this morning. I don't know how accurate this is. I heard that they want to pick someone who at least got to the fantasy suite level. So then we're basically left with two options. Who did you hear this from? On the Minnesota radio because they were like, they want someone who's got a fantasy suite. They want someone who books.

So they were like, maybe it'll be Leslie from Minneapolis. So the good people on the local radio in Minneapolis are in the know? Yes. I mean, I think they typically, in general, in most seasons, like to cast someone who's top four. Yeah. I think with Golden Batch, it's going to be a little different. I think the way they pick it, I think there's a lot more variables. One, do they want to do it?

You know, I don't think every golden lady is down to take that much pressure. Yeah. Family considerations, health considerations go into effect. Yeah. I think there's a lot more things to consider than just were they top four. And they have to be able to carry it. And I think there are some ladies that didn't make top four that they have to be able to carry it and i think uh i think there are some ladies that didn't make top four that would have been that could be excellent

bachelorettes i can't believe they found enough dudes to do a golden bachelor i agree it must been how many like 65 or older men are down to be vulnerable down to be vulnerable and to have an age-appropriate partner because a lot of guys that age who look good on paper are not looking to date a 70 year old woman let's be real t yeah yeah so it'll be interesting yeah i don't uh i'm excited to see who uh who it ends up being are they gonna do a golden bachelor in paradise oh that's great oh yeah yeah i think they need to scrap bachelor in paradise and get back to Bachelor Pad. I think with the rise of reality competition shows and having reality stars compete, I think they need to bring back Bachelor Pad. Did you ever watch Bachelor Pad?

So here's the thing. I don't typically like competitive reality. I know that technically Bachelor is competitive. Sure. But it's a different kind of competition. You want, like, real stakes. I don't want to see people, like, like immunity idols or anything. That's just not my vibe. Okay. Do you think we could add who wants to go to paradise as a category of why people

would come on the show or try to create drama? Like, do we think Sydney has in her head, maybe I'll go to paradise? I mean, I think everyone who goes on The Bachelor, I mean, I remember when I was The Bachelor, producers would tell me as soon as I'd send them home, they'd start texting them about Paradise. So since Paradise started, it's just become a feeder system for Paradise, you know? So yes, I think everyone who goes on The Bachelor isn't just thinking about being on The Bachelor, The Bachelorette these days. They're now thinking about, oh, well,

even if you go home night one, you have a shot to go on Paradise. So it's on the top of everyone's mind. But Paradise did not perform last season. It did not do well.

I mean, nobody ended up together, right? No, nobody ended up together. You know, it just... I think the cast was... I don't know what

they're doing over there. But Paradise was, I think, an absolute bust this season. I even fell off as a viewer. I didn't even finish it up. And it was one of the better ones out there. Back in the day, Paradise was excellent television. Who would you guys want to see from this

season at Paradise? I mean, Maria seems to be perfect for... She's born to be in Paradise. It's too early to tell the rest of them. mean i'm sure they'd all be fine you know i don't know uh what do we make of the one-on-one with lexi what do you think of that conversation her not potentially not being able to oh yeah she had stage five endometriosis that is right it was humorous to me in a really dark way when

she said that she had stage five endometriosis and Joey went, oh, no. And she goes, do you know what that is? And he goes, no. It sounds very scary. But it does sound scary. I understand his response. It was just like, OK, doctor. What do we make of the conversation in general? her actually to and i i love transparency around fertility those conversations i think are really important women's reproductive health is always treated as this like taboo topics i'm sorry i'm gonna get on my soapbox now but like for me like yes please let's let's talk about endometriosis on the bachelor i thought it was really cool of her to put that out there and also it's a conversation that you have with someone when you're dating yeah it's uh it was excellent like again for the for from a tv standpoint and like awareness uh excellent i think joey handled it

perfectly yeah it was handled perfectly from a tv standpoint but how could you like and i think lexi one day you know will find the man of her dreams i don't think it's going to be joey uh and he will love you know he will love her and they will figure out like they said there's a million ways to start a family but like how is how is this like they're strangers to each other right now lexi and joey and if you're taking it like on face value to have lexi sit down date one this is my. This is what I'm dealing with. And have a total stranger who wants kids, sounds like. How do you expect Joey to even put that into consideration when he is choosing who he wants to be with?

So you're saying maybe that conversation should have waited. I mean, again, I look at it separately. Not every person is casted on The Bachelor to actually fall in love with the lead. Not every person and not every story is for Joey's love story. It's for the audience. It's for representation. It's for talking about various topics that, of all the million people watching, relatable stories that people are connecting with. And yeah, there's, you know, a topic like this, like you said, isn't talked about enough. There's not enough representation. It is very taboo. And so from that standpoint, it's beautiful, you know? Right.

But from an actually... From actually expecting Joey to put that into consideration. I mean, Joey comes in The Bachelor. First of all, anyone who's The Bachelor or Bachelorette, hey, we're going to pick 30 people, give or take. We're not going to ask you any questions, really. We're not going to get your input. You're going to have no input, which I will say till they ever change. I think it's absolutely idiotic for the franchise to not include the lead in the casting process. I get why they ever change. I think it's absolutely idiotic for the franchise to not include the lead in the casting process. I get why they do it. They want them to be completely in the dark. They want

all their reactions to be the first time they're seeing these people to be on camera. But I think they would have better television if the lead was more emotionally invested in more people. I think most of the time they're only invested in one or two, maybe three. And I think if you had a lead that was really torn between three and four people, the television would be through the roof. Oh yeah. But I don't think they get the input at all. So they get a bunch of people who don't know these leads casting for things that are not really about connections. And so they're not really casting for these people. They're casting for these stories, right? So it's already a lot of

pressure. So they're already saying, we're going to pick 30 people. We're not really going to be thinking about what you like or what your preferences are, but you're still going to get expected to pick one of them in less than nine weeks

and get engaged. Right. And now we're going to add in all these personal stories of, you know, child trauma, breakup stories, cheating, health scares. Yeah. You know, real heavy situations that people all have to go through. And yet you're having these people have these conversations and they're total

strangers. So Lexi and Joey do not have this emotional connection that would be required for someone to say, Lexi, I love you. And that's all that matters. And we'll get through this. We'll find a way. Right, because it's like, oh, that's interesting. It's almost like bringing it up on speed dating. Yeah. And so to expect Joey to truthfully not take that into consideration. I mean, Joey did it perfectly. And if he doesn't pick Lexi, I hope they don't bring this story back up and make it seem like he didn't pick her because of this, because that would be very unfair to Joey, I think. Right. Yeah. Because there's no way him and Lexi can build the type of emotional connection that would allow someone who, you know, may want to have kids to like, we'll get through it, babe.

You know, we'll fight through it. We'll find other alternatives. It's tough. And it's a very sensitive subject, you know, and it was very interesting how it was dealt with. But it's still a lot for the lead to deal with. So in terms of like casting the contestant pool, would Lexi have volunteered that information in interviews with producers? Is that like? I probably. Yeah. Okay. Because that's interesting to me. Like, I'm not sure if I was going on The Bachelor, if I would have the balls to be like, and here's what you should should know about me what's another thing i kind of hate about where the show

has gone where it's always been but it's just like can we get away from the trauma dumping on the first date yeah it's just can we wait to the second date maybe and maybe and i just want to see someone show up and i think it's happened in previous seasons but i don't quite remember but someone be like hey listen i going to keep it with you. I've had a pretty good life. You know, I've dealt with some shit. We can talk about, you know, if, if, if the lead said, Hey, you know, can you tell me about a time you've dealt with some adversity?

You know? So a question that the lead would have to ask because they're genuinely interested in this person, but they do want to know if this person's dealt with things like heartbreak or just like adversity of any kind. Like how have you dealt with real life shit? Because I need to know how you can deal with real life shit. And I want, I want the lead to have to pull that out of people he's interested in. Not like, I have something really heavy to tell this person every fucking date. And I'm just so sick of it. It's presented like a monologue and it is, it does feel very inorganic yeah and it's like you can tell that's that's how these women are getting casted or are these men when it's the bachelorette it's like it's part of their resume and so now

they're wearing it as like a badge of honor and when you do have these really sad stories i think it does take away from them because i don't know which one is genuine and which one is this being used for their brand. Because it's so on brand with the show. I think they've watered down these really compelling stories that some of these characters have because they've made it a trope of the show. Yeah. No, it's something we've come to expect. It's part of the comfort food meal. Yeah.

So every time someone goes on one of these dates, I'm rolling my eyes before I even heard the story. Yeah. So like every time someone goes on one of these dates, I'm rolling my eyes before I even heard the story. And then every once in a while we get a Lexi where you're like, oh shit, that's, that'm really like i was very drawn to her story and i would like to like go into these stories not us not rolling my eyes because every other one is this kind of like i got broken i got i got cheated on i got heartbroken like join the club you know welcome to fucking real life you know and it's a mo and most of the time it's young 20 somethings talking about living life. And it's, I'm, I'm over it.

And I want, I want to see the producers be a little bit more creative when it comes to, you know, these, these character arcs of these contestants. I hope they're listening to you because I think these are good ideas that you have. Thank you.

Yeah. I think some of them do. I don't know if they will see it as good ideas or they'll like my criticism, but it's fine. Oh, by the way, there's another fucking episode tonight. Yeah.

I was going to say, do we think Maria leaves? No. Because that's the cliffhanger. No. She's not in the teaser though, like for the second part of it. So she's in like,

part of the teaser was her being like, I need to go, I need to go. I don't think she's not in the teaser. Well, I mean, you can't have a teaser about if, or if she's going to go and not go and then show her on a one on one two weeks later. That's that would just be bad. I will say I did appreciate when he, you know, sent Sydney home and she is the last one standing on the date. I did like that she wasn't just so like

relieved to be the one chosen. And she was like, great, we'll ignore everything that happened. She asked him kind of the hard question of do you think you can move forward with me in this relationship, given everything that's happened and given everything you've heard? Which I appreciated her asking because it could be easy for her to be like, oh, let's just ignore it and pretend the whole Sydney thing never happened. But she addressed it. It's a power move. Yeah. It's letting Joey know that she is his equal. I agree. And I also just, in general, I feel like Maria's behavior around the situation has been very classy. Yeah, I know. I would have gone full rock of love. And when she got dismissed, I would have been like, bye, bitch.

You know, like really showing my true colors. I would just be unmasked. But that's me. Do you think you would have been able to joke around like Maria did? I'm just was blown away by Sydney thinking she could pout her way through the two on one. And simply, I'm just gonna be honest. This is really hard for me. It's just like,

I like the little, he doesn't, he doesn't like you, you know? Yeah. I liked the little fake out that they did where he turned to Sydney and he was like Sydney. And then this big smile goes on her face and he's like,

I'm sending you, I can't give you this. That's just good coaching on the part of the producers. Yeah, you always, you do the psych out. In fact,

in real time, in real time, that probably lasted two seconds, three minutes. No, really longer. So I would be like,

I'd be like, like this, like Maria, like, I just want to say, I really respect blah, blah blah blah blah blah I really like you you've done this Sydney it's been amazing

I mean I can't thank you enough for blah blah blah blah blah Maria also and it's just like this and it goes back and forth and back and forth so it's exhausting being the lead is what you're telling me oh it's the worst it's the absolute worst when I was so for the Corinne

and Taylor 2-on-1, we were in that swamp in New Orleans. And all, all a 2-on-1 is, is just to get them to fight more. That's all it is.

That, that's the only job of the lead. It's, that's not to have a connection. It's not to get to know anyone.

So I would, I said, I would, we brought them to the swamp. They did some voodoo thing. And then I, I took, I think it was Taylor firstlor first or current i'm not sure who i talked to first and i was basically like so i heard someone so i was talking some shit you know they edit around that stuff but i was just instigating yeah and then but i feel like that's you i feel like do

you think joey was instigating i think he in his own way okay you know i don't know i don't i i understood i say that with admiration by the way this is not shade yeah i understood the assignment so like when when women would come to me with drama i would be like tell me more yeah what's going on boy let's get to the bottom of it like i didn't give a fuck i was they're always like concerned for me i didn't care i knew what i was doing and. And then like when Cindy, when Cindy got sent home, she's in, she did the whole like, well, I just hope you're mindful of your choices. Taylor did that to me.

Like she came back and was just like, I hope you know what you're doing. Meanwhile, like I'm not picking Corinne. Like I just want to meet her nanny. Like that's all, that's why she's here. It's fine. Calm down, Taylor. But it was just the righteousness of like,

and it was condescending. And Cindy's condescending to Joey being like, assuming that Joey doesn't know what's going on and he can't make his own decisions. It's just really frustrating. But I remember like I was hiding in the woods watching Corinne and Taylor going at it and ducking down like 15 feet away, just like watching them for like 30 minutes. And that was, you know, that was the assignment. So Joe, I don't know where Joey was.

Also, by the way, what a bummer though, because that was a beautiful date. Like what, like that. And I, I'm sure that was meant to be a one-on-one because they don't, that's the thing. They, they very much adapt to what's going on. So the dates are planned months in advance and someone was going to get a very romantic one-on-one. Oh, and you're saying they blew it on the two and one.

And they blew it on a two-on-one because they wanted to get to that drama much sooner than they usually do. They spoiled a really good one-on-one. You know, it's interesting that they don't do anymore. I remember, I think this happened with Corinne and Taylor too. Did they leave Taylor in the swamp? Yeah, we left Taylor there. I thought they would leave someone out at sea or something. They don't do that anymore. Yeah.

He walked her out. What was the two-on-one where they left someone on an island by themselves? That was with Olivia. Oh, that was classic. Well, it started with Ashley Iancanetti, who we did a two-on-one as well, Cindy's friend, with Chris Solseason when they were in the desert.

And they took the helicopter. Uh, I think they may, Chris might've left them both. I don't know, but I think it started with Chris soul season. And then one of the more iconic ones was Olivia on an Island with Ben Higgins.

Yeah. Um, but yeah, yeah. I don't, unfortunately it's a kiss of death to two on one. Uh, I think that about wraps it up.

All right. Well, Diablo can't thank you enough for coming. Thank you for having me. I mean, I know, obviously, Lisa Frankenstein is out. It's out. Anything else you want to plug? No.

Okay. No, I don't. Well, go check out Lisa Frankenstein. It's in theaters everywhere. It's an excellent film. Thank you. Very nostalgic, especially if you love great 80s music. And if you're from the Midwest, it's an absolute no-brainer, but everyone will love it. It's a great film.

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