The Viall Files - E714 Going Deeper with Kandi Burruss Plus Jessica Vestal Part 2, Age Gap Couples, & Sandoval’s OnlyFans

Episode Date: February 29, 2024

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Going Deeper Edition! To start things out, the household gets together to talk about recent headlines - such as Kristin Cavalliri’s new boyfriend, Gigi Hadid and Bradley Cooper out in New York City, and Ariana owing Tom $90,000. Then, we talk to Kandi Burruss about retiring (or taking a break?) from Real Housewives of Atlanta, her career, castmates, and hopes for the future. Then, we have a Texting Office Hours caller who broke things off with a friend two years ago, but wants to reconnect before her upcoming wedding.  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Peloton - Wherever you’re starting, get moving with a Peloton Bike or Bike+ rental at https://www.onepeloton.com/bike/rentals Terms apply Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @kandi  @jess.ves @nnataliejjoy @ciaracrobinson @alison.vandam @dereklanerussell @leahgsilberstein @justinkaphillips   Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 03:18 - Pop Topics 26:44 - Jess Comes Back 40:01 - Jess Reaction 48:50 - Kandi Interview 01:51:12 - Texting Office Hours 02:11:29 - Post Call 02:12:40 - Outro

what's going on everybody welcome back to another riveting episode of the vow fouls going deeper edition i am your host nick joined by a full household we got uh ally as always you don't like all faithful i don't know any young woman that would what would you like to refer to you're like young faithful crusty thing in the midwest young faithful young disgusting i'm not gonna be referring to you as young faithful that doesn't articulate the message i'm trying to convey in terms of your uh long-lasting loyalty to this uh show what about most faithful the most faith faithful companion could i get like right hand? Yeah. My right hand. There we go.

My right hand woman. My pit bull. I feel like we could do mother Ali. Oh. Or sister Ali. Mother Ali. Now I'm a nun. Now I'm a nun.

Now I'm a nun. Anyways, Ali's here. We also have sweet, sweet, sweet, sweet boy Justin. Leah. Sierra Robinson returns as well. And most important, not, well, I mean sweet boy Justin. Leah. Sierra Robinson returns as well.

And most important, not, well, I mean, most, sorry guys. Most importantly. We understand. Natalie Joy is back. Not just as the guest of our birth story, which by the way, was a big hit. And if you haven't listened to it, then you don't have a heart. You don't care. You don't care.

About anything. At all. So maybe go back, pause this episode, go back and listen to that. Cry a little bit. Happy tears, obviously. No one wants to be sad. And then come back to this episode. It's great to have you back, Sierra.

Thank you. I'm happy to be here. We finally have Sierra and Natalie here in one, which is really just a combination that we've been waiting for. We love each other. Well, we had one time in reality recap. That's true. Your first Vile Files appearance. Anyways, we're back.

We have a lot to get into. Most importantly, we have two very special guests. Kandi Burris, our main attraction today. Kandi, reality TV royalty, as we refer to her, the longest running housewife ever, right? Ever? Has since retired from the franchise, we think. Questions we ask her in an interview.

Is she done? I don't know. We'll see. But she is with us, and we have a great conversation with Candy. A lot of fun. And Jess returns. She was with us from Reality Recap, but obviously for spoiler purposes, which we do our best not to reveal here on the show. But obviously we had a great conversation with Jess from Reality Recap, but obviously for spoiler purposes, which we do our best not to reveal here on the show.

But obviously we had a great conversation with Jess on Reality Recap. If you haven't heard that, go check that out. But we also wanted to talk to her about what was it like to actually meet Jimmy face to face, which finally, boy, Love Is Mine really milked that. They really waited the last batch of episodes to have us wait for what we all wanted and to see that. So Jess will be answering those questions a few more. She offers a few more interesting insights. Yeah. So, but before we get to any of that,

what else are we getting into? Lots to talk about. Kristen Cavallari has a new boyfriend. He's 24. Congratulations to Kristen Cavallari. He's hot. I get it. He's hot.

He's super hot. Yeah. He's stunningly hot. I willallari. He's hot. I get it. He's hot. He's super hot. Yeah, he's stunningly hot. I will say the video that he put on TikTok of the two of them, it made me giddy inside. Say more. It's just really cute. She looks really happy. I obviously, she's got three kids. She went through Jay Cutler, which I'm sure that was just a traumatic experience in itself.

He seems like it'd be stressful to be in a relationship with him. He seems like he just doesn't listen. He gives nothing. Or care. Yeah. That reality show was painful for me. He's like, I played football. I loved the reality show.

Him on it. He was kind of funny. I don't know. For me, I was like, get off. Funny for us. Yeah. But like almost. As a husband, it might be hard.

Yeah. Might be hard. But he's a bit younger he's 24 yeah she's 37 we love an age gap here at the we're not here to yuck that yum that's for sure that yum inappropriate age appropriate illegal. An appropriate age gap. Illegal. Natalie, make sure with your cute southern accent that you emphasize the space in there. So it sounded a lot like illegal. We love an illegal age gap. Yikes.

No. We love a legal age gap. Yeah. People also like to. People like to throw out random fucking numbers for her. They're like, no, Nick met her when she was six years old and he was the bachelor. It's like, what? Y'all literally just pull that out of your asshole.

Also, Bradley Cooper and Gigi Hadid's romance seems to be budding. So I don't know. Did we make the age gap thing cool again? Or did it ever caught his time? Even if you did, at least you open up doors for Natalie. Because all I saw in that video of Bradley and Gigi was her touching a lot of handles. The photo that I just saw was him opening up a cab. So maybe that was like he got

finally it clicked at the last second when she was leaving. Do you think Kristen Cavallari and her boyfriend or Bradley and Gigi were any way self-conscious about their age gaps and they looked to us and said, you know what? They seem happy.

Nick and I, my nipples are taking. Oh, my baby must be crying. Oh, I did put one of my diaper pads in my bra. Okay. Yep.

In case anyone wanted to know, you can do that. The more you know, the more you know. Why not use them for both areas? Sorry. Yeah.

Yes. Kristen, Kristen and her boyfriend. I think she's just looking to have some fun and i'm rooting for it if i i'm not but like i'm in a different life in a life where there is no other a worse life a much a much worse life but let's say in an alternate universe i had kids much much earlier than i did now but kristen is she has three or four kids some make believe terrible person just the worst person yeah ever basically the equivalent of jay cutler okay in this alternate universe he is no longer with this horrible woman yeah a horrible A horrible, horrible person. But how many kids did y'all have together?

How many does Kristen have? She has three. She has three. Like, pop off. Like, I don't think she's, I'm assuming, and maybe we'll get a chance to talk to Kristen, I believe,

maybe we may or may not be having Kristen on shortly. Should we ask to have her boyfriend come on too? Yeah, of course we should. But like, you know, she's, date for fun. She's not dating for necessarily like hey do you you know i don't even think she even gives a shit if he's interested in being a co-parent or not she seems to be doing just fine raising her kids he could literally say i hate children and she'd be like that's fine yeah i'm really good it's not about that great i do not want you around she's looking for the father of her kids yeah yeah giving hot boy toy and i and i support it

and she looks amazing so i'm just like they they look like they're keeping up with each other just like one note that nally did observe it's the one red flag i've seen so far just one you want to say he does have a snapchat in all of his bios and it's not even like snapchat it's snap with his username oh yeah so like maybe just i think that was just like an oversight before they hard And it's not even like Snapchat. It's Snap with his username. Oh, yeah. So like maybe just, I think that was just like an oversight before they hard launched, you know? Yeah.

There's a lot of things that have been in my bio for years that I don't even know why they're there, you know? Like kit-tolerant person? Yeah. I feel like it's Snap. Harry Styles fan account? Yeah, I don't know. Like I was like really,

and I still love Harry Styles, but like, you know. How does Taylor Swift feel about that? Probably not good. Yeah, I don't know. Like I was like, and I still love Harry Styles, but like, you know, Taylor Swift feel about that. Probably not good. Yeah. So exactly. So he probably it's just probably an oversight. Can I ask as somebody the old maid that's been in a relationship for seven years? I don't know.

What does snap mean versus Snapchat? It's all the same. It's just like a little bit more fuck boyish. Okay. Yeah. Snapchat like putting your Snapchatchat out is is basically no snapchat sounds like business right it's like what all of these influencers are doing it's like here add me on my snapchat to follow along on my journey of you know redecorating my

house and snap sounds like snap is like if you want to send me your fucking news if you want to send me a nude this is uh my snap this is my snap yeah and this this good looking guy has been sent a nude or two for sure for unsolicited for unsolicited and he's just like i don't know what to do about it they just send them to me snap it's like it might as well say send nudes send nudes okay now i know and above his snapchat name is life is amazing it is what it should be which is a lot it's either him being just a little pinterest quotey or it's a line from i think a future song life is amazing is what it is maybe drake i don't know but it's definitely not amazing so that's why I think it might be more the

rap song. Again. Amazing. Totally understandable that his bio might be outdated and he just hasn't gotten around to updating it. I will say the snap is in his bio, but he has a link tree. So you would think the snapchat would be in the link tree, but it's in his... What else is in his link tree? Like his Amazon

storefront? Let's see. Skincare. His skincare code. Oh, I love that for him. Belmont Anchors, Instagram, and TikTok. So the snap made it to the bio. Oh, my gosh. I don't know. He really wants people to snap.

Nudes are most important. Business is second. We are very, very, very happy for Kristen, and we hope she is getting everything she wants and more from this relationship. As do I. He is good to look at for sure. That is that is just a fact.

Love is not blind there. That's for sure. And Bradley Cooper and Gigi. Do we like that for them? Yeah. No. Who wouldn't? I mean.

It's Bradley Cooper. He's also an attractive man. No, I know. Love is not blind there either. That's true. Have we seen what he looks like shirtless recently? Or no?

I think he's thin. What's he looking like nowadays under those clothing? Yeah, when were these photos taken? Because some, he is quite svelte. And others, he is not. Well, as an actor, you know, you have to... You have to change your body sometimes. He did come off of that role in Maestro.

He had to play an old man. Yeah. Yeah, he may be a little weak in the knees. Some people like that. I love a dad bod. I'm not saying I do. I'm just saying, not yucking the yum. No, of course not.

My mom showed me her What She Wants in a Man list on her notes app. And it was tall, not skinny. I was like, period. Don't fucking body shame them, bitch. Damn. Like, okay. And then it was like, wants to dance in the kitchen. And I was like, oh, now we're cute. And then she's like, Nick has all of

these things, right? And she goes down the list. And I was like, I don't think he'd dance in the kitchen with me. Sure I would. I have. I've danced. You dance. Would I dance with you? Alone. Yeah. God, no. What? Disg Yeah. God, no. What?

Ooh, yuck. Disgusting. By myself? Fuck yeah. With you? No. Like in love? No.

Gross. Gross. Anyways. Anyways, we're happy for them. We're happy for everyone in love. Did you see that Ariana owes Tom Sandoval $90,000? Allegedly. Allegedly.

Allegedly. So Team Z got new court documents and he said that he loaned her $90,000. Allegedly. Allegedly. So Team Z got new court documents and he said that he loaned her $90,000. She hasn't paid him back. And this affects them selling the house because he has a lien on the house with the loans attached. Tom Sandoval will say whatever he wants at this point. That's what I'm thinking.

Yeah. Well, it's not entirely impossible that Ariana, she kind of said as much on Vanderpump that she's like Tom doesn't deserve my trust. She's like he won't show me proof of this stuff. I've asked him for stuff but she's essentially admitted

to not paying him stuff. Right, but I support. Didn't she have to take out a loan for him? They had to co-signed she had to sign something that remortgaged their house so that he could use that money for the bar yeah i don't know i don't know it was in last season i don't know but that's why i'm also like where i'm like what are how are we who's the accountant on this well because i asked a

realtor when we had sandoval on and we weren't sure what he was saying because he was claiming that he offered to buy her out for 3.1 million but they had originally purchased it for 2 million they each put down 250k and the realtor was like yeah he's likely just paying her out at the new valuation because like over time the house has like appreciated and then he said giving her equivalent equity in cash so do you think these articles are like oh i don't owe her actually that extra 90 grand. Let's just subtract that because she owes me that. Yeah, probably. Yeah. Yeah.

That's what that's giving. But if she hasn't paid the mortgage or any bills, I mean, regardless of what we think about Tom, like she might actually owe him money. A thousand percent. I'm just like, I hope he has receipts and it's not just like a number we're plucking here. Yeah. Like I support Ariana saying, you know, I'm not going to pay you jack shit until you show me receipts, proof, timeline, screenshot. Until you show me everything that's real. You're not just like pulling these numbers.

Well, I'm sure that can't be that hard to accumulate all the bills. But he hasn't been able to do that. That's why she hasn't paid him anything. She's like, is that why? That's what she said on the show. No, no. And he also said that he offered her a bunch of money here to buy her out. But then the first episode of the show, he said he was overdrafting his account.

So I'm like, where did that money come from? He probably asked mommy first of all. You know. What did he say? He was making a bunch of money on his Instagram. Things. And I was like, still? Well, then he things and i was like still well then he said he was like well i was scrounging people think i was living like a rock star i was not like he needs to join only fans at this point that's the smart move for him he didn't make so much money i would sign up out of curiosity for research purposes

absolutely his hater no that's what I'm saying. For work. He would do so well. Yeah. It would be like Denise Richards. You're just like so curious. He would make so much money. And why he hasn't signed up for an OnlyFans is beside, you know.

He sold his soul to worse things. Yeah. It's like it's not for his brand. You know, get a little behind the scenes of those cake tasting photos. I was going to say, those were OnlyFans worthy. Those were OnlyFans worthy. Right? And he gave it away for free. Yeah.

Yeah. I just, if you're out there, Sandville, if you're listening, because I'm sure you listen to this show, OnlyFans. You need to hire Nick as your business manager. It's just, it's such a layup for him. He would make, and he needs to do it now. He needs to do it before the end of this season. And he needs to just been like, you know what? It's time.

The moment you've all been waiting for. It was only, it wasn't just a matter of time. Here you go. And then in his riches, he can, you know, donate to any, you know, groups of people he's offended over the past year or so for goodwill purposes. Wipe that slate clean. Yeah.

This could be finally the redemption arc that he's been waiting for, and all he has to do is sign up for OnlyFans. Riley, his publicist, won't let him. Yes, Riley. Did we see the Travis Kelsey, Bethany frankel debacle can you explain that the ed kelsey debacle ed kelsey father kelsey he's like don't come for my sons just like scott swift was like move paparazzi get out of the fucking way i love it essentially bethany frankel like posted a tiktok and she had a caption travis taylor torture talk and it's her just talking

about like the oversaturation of this couple granted she says she's she admires them oh but then kelsey's dad he came out of nowhere and was like who's this troll nope but i don't think he knew who she was when did he say you know she was on social media or did he like stopped by tmz no she's sorry not sorry is that her tagline, Bethany? Is that like, because she says that a lot. Sorry, not sorry. Is that like her housewife's tagline?

Nope, that's just a Bethany life. That used to be like the most, remember when that was sorry, not sorry? As cool as saying like your mom.

I know that she didn't make it up. It's like Demi Lovato made a song. But the fact that she's still saying it's like, babe, it's 2024. Get a new,

like, come on. Oh my God. He reposted the article onto his Facebook and the caption on his Facebook was, who TF is this troll? Not the TF. I love on Facebook,

which really speaks to like, you know, that's who's using Facebook, our parents. Oh my God. Justice for Ed Kelsey. That is funny. Is Beth E. Frankel just crazy or crazy genius?

Because we are talking about her. You know, there is that. She's our generation's Picasso. She really seems to have lost her marbles. I will say pre the reckoning, I had a lot of respect for her. Same. Same. She was one of the earlier housewives and she kind of pushed this clause in the contracts so like housewives owned

their personality outside of the show i respect that but then once the reckoning happened it was kind of like now she just is saying the most bizarre things like recently she she just keeps arguing that she didn't need bravo to become bethany frany Frankel. That's just a ridiculous thing to say. I wouldn't be here if it weren't for me going on The Bachelor. I am proud of the work I have done and put into my career post-Bachelor. And yeah, I feel like I've been able to do things that, again, I'm proud of. But I got a platform. And us reality TV stars, we have some talents running our mouths, making interesting points

from time to time, being willing to get embarrassed from time to time. But it's not as if there is a shortage of that in this universe. And to sit there and argue that she would have been bethany frankel with or without bravo or andy cohen it's just it's she every time she says that she loses credibility it's so far-fetched it's like it's delusional yeah without bravo there would be no skinny girl because she she was like the first housewife that actually kind of pushed her own branding on a tv show i'm like skinny girls what built your empire and at that time she was not doing well like i think her only like she she's she's gone on record saying i had no money yeah i had no money before the show yeah i didn't have

a place like i was struggling for my daughter like it's just like all of these things so i'm like no that's a very far-fetched statement to say that bravo or andy or whoever is not responsible could be working at a counter at tj maxx or marshall's with those very place that she is now donating her used makeup to wild if it weren't for bravo yeah we should get bethany on this show i don't think she would come on it i we i i mean you have absolutely buried her name in the dirt and then shit on it so she probably wouldn't but she's sorry not sorry she doesn't she she seems to enjoy having her name in the dirt and then shit on it, so she probably wouldn't. But she's sorry not sorry. She seems to enjoy having her name out there.

I would love for her to come on the show just to argue with you. Honestly? Let's do it. I'm here for it. Throw you in it too. You know what? Let's have like an Elon Musk Mark Zuckerberg WWE. You want me to physically... Well, not... Well, let's calm, not. Well, that's an option.

If she's down. No, but like something like that. But with words only. With words only. A great debate. Would you mediate? Yeah, I would. I feel like I'd be good.

Who would be an objective person? Maybe you would take my side. Allie would. I would love to mediate actually I would believe that Allie would be Allie would be like I don't know Nick Bethany makes a really good point I was like I'm gonna be the White House correspondent so this is as close as I'm getting she's like I'm sorry Nick I know you I work for you but, I'm sorry, Nick. I know I work for you, but I'm sorry. Right is right. Bethany, are you hiring? Anyways, yeah, maybe Bethany, if you're up for the challenge. Did you see the Drew Barrymore?

I did. First of all, she says her daughter wants to wear a crop top. And Drew will tell her no. And she'll go, you were on the cover of Playboy. What would be your thing that River is going to have, besides The Bachelor? Besides The Bachelor? Yeah.

Besides you sobbing, fake sobbing on national television. Well. Okay. Sorry. Anyways. Let me see. Could be be just i don't know like my choice of style is questionable do you think like the uh shirtless bob ross paintings maybe do you think she'll throw that

my face i mean if she doesn't she should paintings you know i don't really know what she'd like but you did yeah really anything on on social media is something i probably will regret you know uh as my i feel like it's gonna be just like in person she'll be having a sleepover with her friends nick will like want to talk relationship she won't want that and then he'll be leaving the room and he'll be like okay period girl slay on his way out and they'll be like oh sorry, period, girl, slay. On his way out. And they'll be like, ugh, sorry, he's so annoying. What about you? Because I feel like you'll run into that more than I will.

I'm not suggesting you've done it, but I just think mother-daughter relationship. You poor. Well, your mom was. Let me tell you. Yeah, what about you? What are you afraid of her finding out? Afraid of her finding out? Or do finding out or i'm just like throwing your face i'm just afraid that she

if she's anything like me at 14 13 then we're she will be loved by her father so she does have that is true there will be no daddy issues. That is true. And that might've been a large portion of why I chose choices that I did. But so hopefully we can circumvent some of that. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I don't know, you know,

maybe like having the word paradise tattooed on my ass might be something. Oh yeah. She'll want to get a tat. Yeah. She'll want to get a tattoo. 18th birthday. She's gonna want to get a tattoo yeah we'll both regret that yeah and i'll be like i waited till i was 40 and i'll be like i got one at 17 with a fake id oh she's gonna clip this audio literally actually both of your answers is this podcast. You're giving her a lot of fuel. I listened to that Ask Nick episode from 1992. Oh my god.

You went back, bitch. Yeah, that could be rough. I don't know. How do we just keep her off her phone? I think we don't get her a phone. I thought about that last night. I actually did wake up Natalie in the middle of the night. Do you remember that?

I do. Go ahead. And I was like, no matter how much money we make, you know, in a couple years, our daughter is going to be more self-aware than we realize. And we can never give her the idea that we can just throw money at problems. never give her the idea that we can just throw money at problems like she needs to think that we are frugal and short on cash i am her mother constantly uh i literally was like hey now you sleep i have a thought i have a thought about how we should parent her our daughter in three or three or four years and then I responded with my niece who she

has a pony. She is given anything that the sweet little angel wants. And my sister does not feel bad about it. She's like, go fuck yourself. I don't care. You want that? Sure, I'll get it. But she'll go into a store and if my sister doesn't buy her something it'll only be because Scarlett will

change her mind. So she'll be like, how much is this mom? And she'll be like how much is this mom and she'll be like it's 22 she's like oh gosh never mind like she thinks any number is too expensive seven dollars oh no never okay never mind i'd like how much was her pony she didn't she didn't yeah she doesn't know wait this is a real pony she's got several this is a real pony she's got several ponies yeah she does live on a farm so and i think they're more so my sister like rescues them and then she's like this one's for you scarlet you know so but she does have a pony and our daughter won't for sure oh it fits so well in your backyard

there would be literally no spot yeah oh a pony and jeff and steve sharing a backyard that'd be rough hopefully we won't live there by the time yeah i felt i fell in love with the house the other day and nick shot my dreams down very very quickly now he falls in love with houses like socks i'm like i have to have this one no who falls in love with socks i've never felt that way about a song i guess i don't know bad comparison okay but i was quick to point out its flaws wait what did you love about the house it was the interior just like my dreams the finishings were very nice it was just like it it honestly the backyard Nick didn't like. It was on a bad street. There was no privacy of the backyard. But inside was absolutely gut-wrenchingly, sobbed my eyes out, puking, screaming, and crying at the same time.

Beautiful, gorgeous. Everything I've wanted in a home. And you know what? When I shut that front door, that's all I care about. It could be mayhem on the outside no i hated the front lawn you can build a backyard you can build it though no handsome trees no once you have like the thing in la you know there's not a ton of space and so like you're limited to that lot so you you you can redo the inside you can you can adjust the finishings but you can't get more land

you can buy a lot only if they they're selling. Only if your neighbors are like, hey, I don't want this property anymore. Do you want to buy it? Sure. What about like a giant tree house? You get a second story of a backyard. Yeah, right. Genius. I just don't think that was our house. But it's nice to see things

that we like. As I said to Natalie, add it to our wish list. Take little bits and pieces and then i punched him all right well i think it's time to get to jess uh jess who was on rally recap again but we wanted to find out uh how jess felt about finally meeting jimmy and her reactions to that and more so uh it's time for jess's part two welcome back look at that it's time for Jess's part two welcome back look at that it's great to have you back Jess

long time no talk alright alright alright we have a lot to get into alright first let's just talk about the lake party

oh my god they really made us wait for you to finally meet Jimmy yes which is like for the big for a lot of people

that was the whole god damn season I know what was Jimmy's reaction it was kind of anticlimactic wasn't it i don't know i mean you definitely tease it up you know as you mentioned you got a little wine drunk uh with laura and uh really made us feel like you were gonna go coming guns a blazing for your man no oh my god they also definitely made us think that she was the girl that she's yelling about. That was the hardest thing to not say anything about because I was like, I would never.

I'm like, everyone who thought I was going to be a homewrecker, I want to know how the foot in your mouth tastes at this point. Well, I mean, it's interesting because, you know, A.D. had a very interesting conversation with Sarah. A.D. makes valid points. Absolutely. We all know how I feel about infidelity and cheating. AD makes valid points. Absolutely. We all know how I feel about infidelity and cheating,

but this is an experiment as the show, which I love that the show does that because it is an experiment. And I think shows like The Bachelor pretend that it's not. And ultimately this is a social experiment that you guys are all in. It's fucking crazy. And it brings out certain emotions. But did you feel like you were still part of the experiment?

And do you think Sarah has any valid reason to suggest what she does? Is that like, well, this is her experience in this experiment as well. And because we have had other couples not get engaged in the pods that are now currently married with child. And so is Sarah wrong for being like, well, I don't know, Jeremy and Laura together and hands off. I have no stake in this. Or is she supposed to deny her feelings? And do you, now that you've been on the show, do you think love is blind? That was a couple questions. I'll start with Sarah. I found her approach to it to be profoundly inappropriate. Because no one could empathize with how she was feeling more than me and it just was

we were all so close in the pods i think this season really showed like the friendships were so real like we didn't have any cattiness even between laura and sarah ann so her feelings were so valid and so real and it is so hard to fall in love with someone and then just have it cut off like that and see them have it cut off like that and see them, you know, right off into the sunset with essentially one of your friends. But her feelings were valid. It was her approach that was just so disrespectful. I felt like if she really couldn't fight her feelings and she really needed that closure or that last conversation, she could have reached out to Laura and been like, hey, I'm having a really hard time

with this. Would you mind? And even if Laura had said no, like just that small amount of consideration, I think would have made a world of difference. And the difference between in the other seasons in this one is the guy who made the choice is the one who reached back out. It wasn't the girl who didn't get picked. And then they also broke up prior to getting back to the respective city. I'm not saying that Sarah did it the right way. And I'm not saying she, see, and Jeremy don't have reasons to say that was messy. We could have gone about in a better way. I'm just more speaking to the fact that they even entertained feelings outside of the pods. It's just the lack of consideration and accountability, honestly, because even in her

conversation with laurie you see there's not really a moment where she like throws herself on the sword and it's just like i'm sorry just for our friendship for you if you look at it from a perspective of what i have wanted that done to me there is no question she wouldn't have wanted that you know when you met jimmy on camera uh was that the first time that you met him face to face? It was. It was. Was there any interactions? I know there was a face, a friend request.

Yeah. An unfriend request. Did you see that friend request? I did and I left it floating in the ether. You didn't answer it. I did not. And then he makes a point about how I made the point about how I go and look at his profile and I did my digging. And I'm like, well, you know, he had his profile in public.

If I had had mine on public, he wouldn't have sent the friend request. Oh, OK. I see. He was fish. And when you left the pods, how quickly did you go on the Internet? I didn't. I didn't go looking for him. You weren't the least bit curious.

No. Well, I was curious, but like I was like, i find that to be inappropriate i don't know i really i did not look at his profile until his friend request came through um and so i mean yeah his profile was on public and i looked um but the conversation that i had at the wine bar about that it was you know disrespectful and i should not have said the things that i said but at the same time i would have had the same conversation in front of Chelsea. Okay. When you met him,

like what was the initial thoughts that were going through your head? Like, were you like dodged a bullet? Like, thank God I didn't end up having to do the rest of the experiment. Were you like, oh. It was the strangest mix of emotions I think I've probably ever felt. Because yes, I did feel like I dodged a bullet

and I knew that he wasn't my person, but there was an equal amount of, oh my God, this is the person I just fell in love with like two weeks ago or three weeks ago. And he knows more about me than most humans walking this planet. So I felt like a connection, but not a connection as far as like, I want to be with him or I'm wondering of like what could have been. Okay. I know I asked you this earlier. Now that you've gone through this experiment, do you think love is more blind or more deaf? Because we talk a lot on the show and we give a lot of relationship advice and you hear people and I always say no one

lies to us when we lie to ourselves. A hundred percent. We have very selective hearing when we're emotionally invested in someone. And so despite you not being able to see these people and talking to these people, it's very easy to cherry pick what we want to hear or how we want to interpret what people say. The interpretation is a big one. And so now that you have fallen in love with someone without seeing them,

do you think love is more blind or deaf? No, for me, I can say love was blind because if i had gone through the process and met jimmy at the reveal i would have been initially like okay no he's not the physical type i would typically go for but we had the emotional connection which i can tell you is much stronger than a physical one for sure so for me yes i can say love was blind but we wouldn't have gone the distance you wouldn't have gone the distance. You wouldn't have gone the distance. No. Okay.

But not because I found him physically unattractive, but because of his actions and how- His throuple. That would have been a deal breaker. Can we talk about his girlfriends? Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, it seemed to be what ultimately broke him and Chelsea up.

Right. I get both sides. I get where Jimmy's coming from, you know, from his standpoint. Like, it is possible for, I think, two adult people

in today's hookup culture to like hook up with someone and then realize we're just fucking friends, become platonic friends, be single, down the road. But you're saying no,

but it is, I mean, it is possible. I'm with her. I'm just saying. As a single person, I think what Jimmy. It is black and white for me. No, I get that. No, I'm with her. I'm just saying. As a single person. I think what Jimmy. It is black and white for me.

No, I get that. No, I'm just saying, I'm just talking about Jimmy's evolution of the friendship. I'm not talking about in a relationship. I'm saying I understand that Jimmy could have a platonic friendship as a single man with someone that you hooked up with him prior. I also understand that if he enters into a committed relationship, that might change the dynamic of that friendship. As it should.

Sure. But I'm just wondering, how would you have liked Jimmy to handle that with Chelsea or you had you been the one to get engaged to Jimmy? So he and I talked about our friends in the pod and he had told me about them, actually. And I was like, immediately, no. It's a no for me. Did you know he had hooked up with one of them? You just assumed. I am extremely intuitive.

The way he had talked about them, I did assume. Which one is it? Because there was one who has particularly seemed flirtatious. And there was one that was like stone cold. And I can't tell. I'm not sure. I think I have an idea, but I'm not sure who it is. But I was just like, I'm not comfortable with that.

Like, I think that males and females can have male and female friends. That's great. I think it's healthy. But I think there's a boundary, especially when you're talking about your who's going to be your wife. Like, it's not some casual relationship. Like, I should be able to say I'm not comfortable with that or there needs to be better lines and boundaries put in place and him be like, easy, done done and I don't think that's something he was willing to do even after Chelsea expressing her discomfort with it well and the whole point of getting into a relationship is that you do become each other's best friend so it's like I shouldn't have to feel like I need to compete or be intimidated by or

that something could be swayed based off of these two women, one of which you've slept with in the past. And I'm seeming unreasonable because I'm not comfortable with it. Like, that's not. Right. I wouldn't. It was that was a deal breaker for me. OK. What did you think about Jimmy's comment saying that Chelsea was fishing because she was insecure about the Jess thing?

In that particular situation, I think that she was fishing that night that she was talking about, he and I had not ran into each other. We both did happen to be out that night, but at different places. And I think she assumed because we were both with people from Love is Blind that we were all together. But I think that, you know, he didn't provide the foundation for her to feel safe and secure enough to ask certain questions. So I think she was fishing to say, yeah, Jess was there, even though I wasn't. And that just kind of like blew up because we weren't even in the same place. One final question before we have to send you out here. There was a part on the lake party where Jamie was like, just so you know, you were my number one.

What did you make of that? And then Chelsea kind of said the same thing to Trevor. what did you make of that? And then Chelsea kind of said the same thing to Trevor. I don't remember what I made of it, but I was just kind of like, okay, well, that's kind of null and void because you're getting married to someone else. So that's, probably shouldn't say that.

Either way, you were just like, yeah, I don't find you that particular. Who is your type? My type? I have a super specific type. Yeah, we would like to hear it, yeah. Like like extremely tall like at least six two at least that's not extremely tall but it's tall well i'm saying because most of my exes are like six four six five so you like tall yeah okay and um that's not very specific that's beard

always a beard i prefer tattoos but like like a sleeve but if they don't have it okay um i might be okay with that like just like tall dark and handsome so not jimmy right that's what i said but most of us on there you you see the person you fell in love with them nine times out of ten they're not your physical type yeah we we all know yeah well if anybody's listening is there anyone from the pods who you would have gone for now looking back at what they all look like maybe i can't say why not you can't say maybe don't be the girl in school who's like i know someone who likes you yeah no that's so annoying i hate that girl you're so right um because i'm still

trying to sort certain things out we're not saying you're going to marry them but you're just she might be like you're being vulnerable to say that like there was some interest but we're not holding you to it we're just we're just saying that there might have been no i had another strong connection there who you're most physically attracted to she might be like talking to them right now yeah for this asking physical attraction you would probably use context clues if you looked at the cast but i'm not i can't say any names because i'm still dark in him i'm still trying to sort some things out okay she's still trying to sort some things out i've learned to hold my cards closer to my chest with stuff like that that's no fun for until i know sorry you'll be

the first how about this you'll be the first to know when that changes. I just until I've like, believe me, y'all, the world will be sick of me. When I'm dating someone, it's going to be so in everyone's faces. I'm going to be so public and so proud about it. You will know. Okay. And final question before you go, just a general dating question. You have the ability to probably date most men that you want. And I think we all like to chase people. We have a heart. We like to be fixers, red flags. Sometimes we confuse red flags as an opportunity to feel special. I've been there. Now that you're a mother, you've been through it before. How do you handle if you meet someone that might come with a reputation or two? And how do you go about like either taking the advice of people or the reputation that

they have versus figuring things out for yourself? I'm trying to approach things like that with like an open mindset, especially if they're forthcoming and like they take accountability for who they are and what their past is. If they're like, hey, you know, I know I don't have the best reputation, but that's not who I am now. And I just want you to hear me out. Like, give me a chance until, you know, I give you a reason to think otherwise. Then I think that's fair. And I think we should all do that, especially if it's someone you're super interested in.

But like proceed with caution. Like don't make excuses and don't like a red flag is a red flag. Okay. All right. Jess, I know you have to get going, but can't thank you enough for answering our questions. We wish you the best of luck on love and life in the future. And yeah. Thank you for having me.

Thank you. Thank you. All right. I think that's it. Yay. And we're back. So who do you think Jess wants to fuck? Surprisingly, we asked Jess,

is there any else from the cast that she might be interested in? And she surprisingly said yes. I was caught off guard by this. I was too. I was surprised that she answered that question at all. And I don't know, Sierra, you were in the room. Justin, Leah, you were all in the room.

Not only, she didn't choose, it wasn't like a maybe. It felt like a yeah, for sure all in the room. Not only, she didn't, she was like, you know, it wasn't like a maybe. It felt like a, yeah, for sure. She also said something about, like, if you listen to the context clues of what she said, you'd be able to figure it out. She described her type, and then when we asked her who from the pods she's seeing,

she said, use context clues based on my type. So, I mean, who do you guys think? It's tall, dark, and handsome. With a beard, right? That's everyone's type. With a beard. Yeah, what does tall, dark, and handsome mean? And I've also seen range of what dark means as well.

So I'm like... Yeah, does dark mean just brown hair? Tan, does it mean... So I'm between Trevor and I'm between Clay. Those are my two guesses. But do you think it would be Trevor given all of the accusations being thrown his way no

what about Austin he looks like a like a good looking barista a good looking barista he does look like a barista that's a really good call love that maybe Vince

Vince could be an option oh he's cute oh no Vince looks like Jess's type he's a finance bro money what's wrong with that

I mean I guess we need their heights I don't know jamal looks like like a like a good looking guy would she have ever met any of you met all these people she met all of us she said she had in person i don't know i mean she yeah you know these these love is blind cast they're all from the same city obviously you know these intense experiences like a lot of people from the bachelor hang out like it's just you go through an experience that is impossible for anyone to relate to and you are bonded for life to these people even if you don't even if they're not your favorite people so these people

all get together and hang out and for all these people we don't like all this drake this austin guy ariel ariel guy like we never even heard of them but like i guarantee you there have been gatherings and get together. But even in bachelor world, they aren't fans of the people who left night one, you know, they're not famous enough for him. So I feel like the hierarchy,

there is a bit of a hierarchy sometimes. Well, that only usually happens because sometimes people are annoying. She said that she had a strong connection with someone else in the pots. Right. And I felt like she said that she likes a bigger, with someone else in the pots. Right. And I felt like she said that she likes a bigger person. It's really hard to tell the size of these people, though. Well, that's why my brain goes to Trevor, even though I know with all of this stuff.

But I'm like. And I feel like they didn't have any at the. What about Matthew? Barbecue. Matthew. God, no. Do you not remember? No, I remember.

I'm just saying, like, you know, some things are edited, and maybe he's just like, I don't Who has Dion? Look at that smile. He was referred, Matthew was referred to as Clark Kent. What about Jamal? There's no beard. She said she liked a beard? No, there is a beard. It's just, yeah, you can't really tell.

It's shaping his face. I just find that, no. Yeah, it's not really a beard it's more like an outline yeah well let us know in the comments you know we're stopped i wish it had heights instead of jobs because right we don't care what you do for work we just want to know how tall you are yeah that should be their bio instead of like anything else. Lose the name. It should say 6'4". That's all anyone wants to know. Yeah.

All right. Well, maybe it's Drake. It is always crazy how many people are on these shows that you never hear of. Or like didn't see. Yeah, and a lot of them get married and we just don't know. Some of them do. Not a lot of them. Some of them.

Okay. Still, we don't know. Most of them are just people who don't form connections. And they do this, obviously, because the premise of Love is Blind is insane. Yeah. And they need to cast a bunch of extras because most people, I think, show up and like, yeah, no, sorry, didn't fall in love. I think that happens more often than not.

I think very rarely do people fall in love and we don't get to see those stories. I think those are extenuating circumstances. But yeah, I think most of it is just who are realize that they didn't get sucked into the experiment i feel like that happens to me a lot when i'm watching the bachelor like it'll be like week six and all of a sudden i'll be like wait who is she oh yeah like you've been there the whole time but i'm just into the top four right now it's like how did you i saw like a twitter post be like people i expected joey to pick before rachel and it was just like a list of like 32 different things rbg yeah chris harrison was

on that list you know like yeah she really we have not seen much of rachel or joey's love story we uh she made it to top four so you make it, girl. All right. Well, that about wraps it up. I think it's time to get to our feature, the one and only Candy Burris. Before we get to Candy, don't forget to send us questions at asknickatthevilefiles.com for all things texting, office hours, Ask Nick, You Know the Drill. We'll also be back on Monday for another episode of Ask Nick. You'll hear a bunch of amazing people's wild and crazy relationship problems, and we help them solve those.

So be sure to tune in to those episodes. And we'll be back on Tuesday for Reality Recap, getting into obviously Love is Blind, this new batch that just dropped, Bachelor. We got Hometowns. And then we got some Traders. We got

Housewives, Beverly Hills Reunion, Vanderpump. And it seems like the Beverly Hills Housewives Reunion. It's going to get good. You know what it seems like? It seems like a lot of these women went into this season finale. And it's interesting because Candy did shed some light on how these decisions are made into the renewals and how you get asked back or not get asked back.

I don't want to spoil anything, but it seems like a lot of these women went into this reunion unclear as if they had secured their position for next season. And it seems like the vibe I'm getting is they're coming to save their jobs. They're coming for their diamonds.

Yeah. Well, I'm excited. Do you think the emergency is Sutton's small esophagus acting up? To save their jobs. They're coming for their diamonds. Yeah. Well, I'm excited. Maybe. Do you think the emergency is Sutton's small esophagus acting up? Probably not. Yeah. Yeah. But I do think we have to hear Anne-Marie talk about her medical background.

And Dorit seems to be team Anne-Marie. And also wearing a hood. And wearing a hood. Justin likes it. I like it. I like it too. You do? There we go. What do you like about it? She took a risk. She did take a risk. And I appreciate a hood. And wearing a hood. Justin likes it. I like it. I like it too. You do? There we go. What do you like about it?

She took a risk. She did take a risk. And I appreciate the risk. So we just have to take a risk. You know. Gonna have to nail it. It was a good risk. She looked powerful in it.

She did. It was a flex on the other woman. Yeah, the other woman looked puny. You have to wear it with confidence. Take a risk and then be confident. She does always look confident in what she wears. Okay, well, we'll be talking about it on Tuesday. Let's get to Candy Burris. All right, it's time to always think about how are we staying our shape? How are we being our best selves? Peloton. Peloton.

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well thank you so much. You recently, did you like, it's like, did you have like announced your retirement? Are you retired from it? Are you taking a break? The people want to know. Are you Andy Cohen on pause? I'm on pause. What does that mean?

Apparently he pauses people and then brings them back. Like Dorinda from New York. She said she was on pause. Okay. Well, they didn't pause me. Okay. I paused myself. You heard it here first.

Okay. To be clear. Andy was actually sad that I left. I bet. Yeah. So he and I had our good heart to heart, um, before anybody else in the world knew, you know, we had our own moment. Did Andy know first?

Who's the first one you told you? Like producers or? Well, no. Well, I guess my agent kind of just sent them the production company and the network a letter, just a nice letter, basically, basically just saying, you know, thank you for the opportunity. But Candy has decided that she's not, you know, coming back. Coming back. But thanks for, you know, all the years and how, uh, how quickly did you hear from them as soon as that letter was sent?

I guess the same day. Okay. letter was sent i guess the same day okay because i didn't know that well my um well he's gone into management now nick is who sent them the letter not you he sent it so i didn't even know he had sent the letter you know what i mean i mean you knew he was going to send a letter but you just yeah yeah yeah of course it wasn't like i didn't know he had sent sent it at that moment so when i had got um the call from andy he was just like what the fuck and i was like about because i didn't want to like speak before and he's like wait what i was calling for something else yeah i just wanted to make sure we were talking about the same thing you know and he was just like i mean i just i don't know how i feel about this

and i said well i don't know how if how i feel about it either but i just you know think it's time you know what i mean is that what it came down to i mean you're the longest running housewife on bravo right that's correct yes was it just well i was until i said bye now um now i think theresa theresa from jersey yeah theresa and um ramona but i think what it is is i am the longest running consecutive nonstop. Like, you know, I think you haven't missed a season. Yeah. Straight through. Yeah.

I think Ramona, she had a pause. Teresa went to jail. Unfortunately. Unfortunately. So the whole show paused for her, you know, but I did not do any pauses okay it was a press play the whole time on play and at moments on fast forward straight through yeah well i mean i i only got into bravo not too long ago really yeah but i've been well like my long ago. Really? Yeah. But I've been well, like my long ago, you know,

when you first went on, my girlfriend at the time was watching Housewives. So I've known of you for the longest time. And like, there's so many Housewives I didn't know existed.

You know, there's still a lot of Housewives I'm kind of learning because like, there's so many franchises I haven't watched every single one. But I know who you are.

I've known. Well, thanks thanks and it seems like what i've learned as the show has gone on like for and i said this to denise richards when she was on it seems like when housewives started there was a certain type of pedigree that they were looking for you know okay like accomplished outside of being a reality tv star they they made it when they first started now when they first started no because you got to remember orange county it was just a bunch of okay a bunch of orange county ladies like wealthy women yeah yeah they just were ladies with money maybe that's why

i had that it was just women with money i think and no i might be wrong okay i might be you know more than i would well i just know in atlanta But I think of any of them at that time, because it was on OC at the time. I think Jersey had started in New York, maybe around our time when Atlanta first started. I think I was the first person who had any celebrity prior to the show to come on the show. So did you warp my perspective of a housewife? Because yeah, I remember becoming... I warped your perspective! Well, because I remember learning about

you and you were a very successful music producer. You did all these projects and that's what I thought you had to do to be a housewife. And then I became more familiar with it. I'm like, wait... If you really go back and think about it, all the ladies from, like I said, the beginning of OC, they were just wealthy women. The women I know that started on Atlanta, they were, you know, wealthy. And that was kind of

different because that was the first time you had a majority black cast other than Kim Zosiek. You know, she was the only woman who wasn't black on Atlanta. So all of them were just women who had wealthy men. Oh. Nobody, because, okay, I'll tell you my first experience about anybody even talking to me about this show. So I watched Atlanta, Housewives of Atlanta, first season, and I thought it was hilarious. I thought the women were so funny but you know I had no thoughts of me being on that show it was just like oh they are funny you know what I mean and my friend Derek J he's been on Housewives before you know like as a

friend or whatever we were friends and he's a hairstylist that did everybody's hair. So he called me. He was like, hey, he was like, they're looking for some women to be on Atlanta Housewives. And I was like, oh, okay. And I was like, yeah, I'm doing something already. And he was like, yeah, well, I'm going to tell them to call you anyway because they need somebody with their own money. And I was like, yeah, all right, whatever.

And I just went on about my business, not even thinking about it. You know what I mean? But yeah, I guess like a majority of the women in the very, very beginning were women who had wealthy husbands, boyfriends, whatever. And then it changed. Okay. It changed when you came along changed when i came along after me shout out to um you know on our series you know you had the kenya moores who

you know she had her celebrity cynthia bailey had you know so you know so i'm just talking about our specific franchise obviously on the other franchises franchises. So mixed bag, yeah. Yes, mixed. Yeah. I mean, there's still some of the franchises still, you know, are just women who genuinely are in relationships with wealthy men. Because if you think of the definition of a housewife, it's somebody who gets to kick it at the house. Rich. You know, rich.

Yeah. You got money, chilling, you know, with the kids. Right. Do you watch any of the other franchises? Are you a fan of any of the other ones? Silence. Silence. Crickets, crickets, crickets.

I hate that you asked me that question. Okay, so. No, she hates all of them. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no no no no no no no what it is is i'll just get busy and fall off so um when jersey first started i watched like season one maybe season two i think i'm really locked into the original people who were on the show because that's the season i watch or i think i yeah that's probably it no and potomac i have watched you know a few episodes here and there now i just like look at the clips online and keep up you're like familiar with a lot

of them but you're not necessarily familiar but i don't necessarily watch but back to my original question is it was it just time or was there other reasons for why you decided to hang it up as a housewife? Time, but not the time you're talking about. So, you know, for the last few years, I have been trying to like debate like, OK, when is my time that I'm supposed to, you know, step away or whatever? Like, am I just going to wait till they decide to put me on pause? Or am I, you know know die on this show yeah like what is what is my plan and I kept asking myself like that so every year I would have this like question to myself and but this year what happened was they were planning to recast like a couple of people or

whatever right so during right after the last season we knew that they were going to recast like a couple of people or whatever. Right. So during right after the last season, we knew that they were going to take a couple of months or whatever to start interviewing people. Right. So during the first couple of months, I was just like, OK, give me time to do what I got to do. You know, I'm working on other things. But then they were like, OK, well, we're still trying to figure out, you know, what we're doing, whatever, whatever. So I was like, oh, okay.

So in that time, I did some other movies. I had some more, you know, TV stuff. I had redid one of my music deals or whatever that I have.

And so I was like, really making a lot of big moves outside of the show. Outside of the show. Not to say that I hadn't been doing that every year prior. Right. But this year was specifically different because for me, I finished my contract. So it was my choice on if I had to go back like it wasn't

just a simple, oh, they send me a pickup letter. letter right and then i have to go back like how it is you know most of the time or whatever with everybody else they waiting for their pickup letter whatever and for those who don't know what's a pickup letter it's like so say for instance if my contract is um say if i have a year and six options or if i i have a year and two options a year one options whatever your options are that means the network has the option to pick you up or not you get what i'm saying so they can pick you up and they send you a letter and that means you just automatically go into your next year and if they don't pick you up they don't really fire you they're just not picking you up right and then you're just sitting there kind of like in limbo in limbo and you have to wait yeah so for me my contract was up

you know you have to wait like from the last date of your last episode before you can actually commit to something something without having to ask for their permission. You know what I'm saying? Other girls would be like, well, what do you think they're going to do? And I'm like, well, I'm really tripping about what they do. You know, I'm working on me. And if it works out, then cool. I say what y'all do not understand.

For me, it's a bigger conversation than what they decide to do. It's about what I am deciding to do for myself. And the more months went by, the more I really started thinking, you know what? If I was ever going to really go after some of these other things that I wanted to do, I need to do it now.

Because I don't know if you guys watched last season or not. Everybody was kind of upset with me because I had to go on you guys watched last season and not everybody was like kind of upset with me because I had took on a lot of other job opportunities during the time of filming which were complex and so I was kind of getting in trouble or whatever well meaning that you know they'll be like

oh you know you had this to do but blah blah blah I had did all these shows in my group Escape that I had committed to but I had committed to. But I had committed to before they started the season. So I felt like, well, you already knew. That's your fault, not mine.

But then I had a movie, a TV show. So it was like multiple things that had happened. So last season, as it played, everybody was like, well, dang, she's always busy. And it's not that I was trying to be busy all the time. But I do have a lot of goals so anyway do you feel like that put like a target on your back with the other housewives almost kind of being last season for sure

yeah for sure this year I knew it was not going to be any different I knew that I was going to be doing other TV shows I mean scripted stuff that I want to do just other things I have going on my group is supposed to be going on tour as well this, scripted stuff that I want to do. Just other things I have going on. My group is supposed to be going on tour as well this

year. Some other things that I have that are pending. So the longer they took before they were making decisions about what they wanted to do, I was like, you know what? I don't think that I should go back. And so I had talked to

Nick, my Nick, about it. I talked talked to Nick, my Nick, about it. I talked to my husband, of course, about it. And we just kind of like came to the decision that, yeah, let's not. And they did come back and were like, okay, they wanted to go ahead and work out my deal or whatever. Did they try to fight for you to come back? I mean, I get a pretty nice coin. Yeah, we've heard. Yeah.

We don't know for sure. Rumor has it. Rumor has it. You've been well compensated. Some would say the highest. I don't know. I don't know what anybody else's check is. That's just the rumor mill.

I don't go into asking what anybody else's check is. And I don't like for them to ask about mine. Nope. So it wasn't about the money. Okay. Because realistically. Whatever it is, it seems like it's a good amount. And your willingness to leave sounds like you didn't need it.

It's not that I don't need it. Who doesn't need money? But you have other things going on. Yeah. need money we all but you have other things going on yeah i just decided i just decided that right now i wanted to take this moment to go after the other things that i really wanted okay there's so many ways to make money without having the stress and the negativity of what i was dealing with on the show yeah so that's just why I said it's time. And then plus, you know,

if you like look at what the fans be saying and stuff, you know, sometimes the fans be like, oh, she's boring. She's this, she's that. Oh, why is this? Why is that? It's like, okay, well, you know what? Okay.

Have a season without me. Good luck. I'm still supportive of the girls. You know, I still want them to be successful all of them i mean yeah yeah no no no i'm not a hater like i want everybody to yeah you know do well even if we didn't get along on the show i don't care about that is the door closed or open what about the coming back yeah i mean maybe later maybe later. Maybe later. Right. Yeah.

Guys, this is a real statement, not fiction. Okay. I turned down three shows in that two weeks. Three? Three. Are these Bravo shows or just general shows? I'm not saying what shows okay there's options right because you want it well i mean obviously you know i said no to coming back to rhoa but two other opportunities outside of that basically and i was just like okay how does that even make sense i'm not gonna if i'm not gonna if i'm gonna take away a minute away from the stress and drama of the reality tv space here why would it make sense

to do it there so yeah entirety i'm not doing it as talent anyway sure like me and my husband we can produce some stuff for now like i'm not'm not going to say later in life. Right. But right now, because the other things that I want to do as far as like acting and doing like. I've had so many opportunities that I've never even talked to people about or told people that I had to turn down because of my commitment to the show you know what I mean and um and I'm not saying like it's a bad thing Bravo has been great to me I've had a you know great opportunity from it but I'm just saying like for a person who really wants to be taken seriously as an actress or you know other things that I wanted to do and was like yeah well you know the scheduling

conflict because we shoot most of the year i was doing reality i did housewives you do that for six months you know then you pick doing pickups and a lot of times i was doing two reality shows in one year so it was like i have housewives last one was escaping swv yeah um before you know i did um candy and the gang and then have still housewives all in the same year like i'd be non-stop shooting all year round which means other things i want to do i wasn't able to do did you have a small part in insecure the show insecure a long time ago i'm pretty sure we were on set together you were there too yeah it was that show within the show yes yes yes yeah i was like i kind of it was a long time ago that was funny yeah yeah uh yeah you were there i

remember i'm like that's candy anyway one of the things you're like most known for in Bravo World, and I think a lot of people appreciate about you, was that you, you know, you were so vulnerable with your entire family, your kids, your mom. And that's something when I got to hear you speak at the Women Top 40 event, you spoke a lot about just like the difficulty and the challenges around that. Yeah. Was that part of the reason that played into you leaving? And, you know, I guess what is the overall toll that took on you and your family? Because it is a lot to allow people and cameras to come in, film your family, allow fans to critique the vulnerability that your family is willing to share. Like, what was that like?

And how did you navigate that with your kids and with your mom and your husband? I mean, the little bit of experience I had is on reality TV is nothing like that because there's, you know, on the bachelor, it's very siloed. You go in, you're in this bubble, you meet a bunch of friends, but your, your family's not really involved. And so you can kind of separate that to have your family be involved is like a whole nother animal. Yeah. And i really respect how you were able to do that but how were you able to navigate it's harder to do um reality when your family is involved but at the same time to me for you to be successful in reality you have to have

people around you who don't mind being transparent and sharing their stories as well. Because one person that's funny, a successful story does not make. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, you know, if everybody else around you is not really participating and, you know, so, you know, it's a double edged sword. Right. And, you know, so, you know, it's a double edged sword. Right. But my mom, she really didn't want me to go back. No, I mean, I think a lot of times it does put a lot of stress on our relationship and she doesn't like how, you know, she's betrayed on the show. And then people don't understand, just because it's a TV show to you,

it's real life for us. So even when the cameras are gone, we're still going through it. Even when we make up, when the show comes back, when it starts airing on TV, the whole family is back at odds. So it's a constant rollercoaster of drama

that I'm dealing with on and off camera. And that was it. I don't want to say that was necessarily the reason. You know, like I said, for me, it was just really more of a timing thing. It just gave me too much time to think in that break. And at that moment, I said, you know, I'm trying to see what I can make happen that doesn't have as much moment i said you know i'm trying to see what i can make happen that doesn't have as much um stress related to it but stress is this is a part of being on a docuseries i believe i mean how were you able to navigate that with the family because now and i i don't think we'll ever do it but you know we do a red carpet or two and it's always like do you think you guys would ever do a tv show with you and your family and i I'm always, my, my first reaction is absolutely not because

I've never seen someone successfully navigate it without it bringing in drama that wouldn't otherwise be there. You know, I would be afraid of it having a negative effect on my relationship. And yet for the most part, you've successfully been able to do that. Like how would someone, not that we're trying to do it, but how would someone, if we got presented an opportunity and I was like, all right, I got to call Candy and find out. I think it'll be harder for you than me. Two reasons. And man, Ty, we've talked about this before because people were like, how is it that your relationship still lasts through it with all the drama that you guys have been in? I think for a lot of people that come on the show right they come on the show as a couple right and they come on

having already been living their life one way and then when they get in front of the world and you know obviously you know where these housewives now are celebrities yeah and that changes things the dynamic of the relationship and it's like in all of a sudden it's like things that you wouldn't have to be dealing with i guess as a husband now you're dealing with as a wife you're like i'm not putting up with this shit because i don't have to yeah do you see all these people loving me yeah it becomes a different thing for them but in my situation with my husband we met after i was already doing the show so our lives from the beginning were already a part of the tv situation that makes sense Todd, he had already been behind the scenes in TV. So he already knows how a lot of this works with the show. You know what I mean?

So despite your success, you're the exception, not the rule. Yeah, I'm definitely not the rule. And I and I like I said, and I think it's mainly because if you're a couple and you had one life that was fine and you didn't have all these people with opinions talking about you every day, you could deal with things differently. But if you get thrown out there in front of the world, now everybody's in your business. Everybody has an opinion. And even though a lot of people say, oh, I don't care what people think. You got constantly you seeing all of that negativity about your husband you know things about your like people especially to me i think sometimes on these shows the women get really evil with each other

and they will blast things about your significant other to the world that you didn't even know you're sitting there looking like wait a minute yeah you know what i mean and having to deal with all of this as it plays out in front of the world that's not easy and sometimes it doesn't even seem to be true accusations sometimes it doesn't even yeah exactly they don't even care about an accusation being true just as long as they look like they read you yeah well speaking of how how are the things with you and um vedra and porsche i know i thought you said you didn't watch the show that long i do my research well i just when doing my research justin uh is uh our big he worked for Bravo. I did, yeah. In a past life. In a past life.

And I was alarmed by that story. It was terrible. Yes. I mean, from what I understood, it seemed like you've always been so open. You got your sex toy company. You're very sex positive. And it seemed like these insane and dangerous accusations were throwing your way without a

shred of proof. Right. I mean you know I keep a receipt honey I'm gonna hit you with the receipt. Yeah that was the best when you brought up those text messages. Well cause I had to to defend myself like normally I don't

like if we have any private conversations. Like, that's the whole thing to navigate your friendships. If you try to maintain a real friendship on camera and off, you know, like, you know, how you figure out what can you say on camera versus off camera. If it happened, like, not filming. Right. Yeah, yeah. So that always became a problem. But to go back to what you were saying, over time, Portia and I have gotten into a better place.

Okay. And I think because we have a mutual friend, Shamia, and even at times when I didn't really want to talk to her, like, girl, bye. You know, Shamia would be like, y'all need to talk. Y'all need to be out. Like it was not on camera camera mind you off camera you know just bringing us around each other and you know and then plus she was still on the show after that year so even though I the first year after season after that happened at first I was like I'm never talking to her again. I mean, I... But she's funny. And it's hard to be around you. Like, now I'm forced to be around you still.

And she's making me laugh. Did you ever get... Like, why am I laughing? I don't like you. You're not fucking funny. You're not fucking funny. Did you ever get a sincere, heartfelt apology about that whole thing? No.

Portia has apologized. Okay. Phaedra? Has not. Really? Where do you think... I don't know. Where do you think the whole thing originated from do you think it originated more from like because it was correct me if i'm wrong porsche said that's yeah but porsche accused phedra of starting it first of all just to be, I have never in my life been high or drunk in my entire life.

You know, I've been around other people. I don't care what you do anything like that to somebody. That just was like some bullshit that somebody pulled out the back of their ass. Okay. And I'm just like, I couldn't even imagine how that came together. You get what I'm saying? Yeah. I mean, I, you know, I, of course, you know, you hear that one blamed this one.

Yeah, yeah. Whatever. Yeah. And at this, at this point, you know, it's been so many years past. I don't try, I don't want to like relive it or rehash it. But, you know, all I have to say towards it is it was some straight BS. And it was a very low point for me to be dealing with yeah i'm sorry to do with it because it's that's those i mean that's one thing to throw shade at each

other but those that that was crossing a line that was that crossed an entire line like yeah an entire line and so that's why i just was like, you know what? So no accountability from Phaedra yet? I don't even talk to her. Like, we don't communicate whatsoever. And I'm fine with it being that way. Okay. You know, we don't even speak when we see each other in the streets. You just, you cross the street.

Literally. Literally. We were at a fashion show in Atlanta. the street literally we were at we were at a fashion show in Atlanta and let's see like let's say somebody was sitting there and she's one person in between y'all yeah

didn't look that way didn't even look in each other's direction see and I mean I'm a Taurus okay I'm a Taurus. Okay. I'm a true Taurus.

I will cut you off and we will never have to speak again as far as I'm concerned. And I'm okay with that. Like, I'm not holding grudges over here or nothing. I'm not wishing bad on her or anything. I just choose not to. You just like don't. She's not even a thought in your brain. Yeah.

Why would you fuck with someone like that who brought up. Except for when other people bring it up. You know what I'm saying? Because it's like other people bring it up and then it's a conversation but if other people don't bring it up it's just like I just... It's not even a thing.

Are there any other castmates that you don't speak to anymore that maybe aren't worth it or you cut them off as well? Not really. I mean mean i don't necessarily care for my castmates but i mean i don't have like an issue like that to the level of that was sure so it's just like for me it's just kind of like we just don't talk like i could see you keep it moving but if you say like hey and keep it pushing yeah it's not like it's it's not extra right you know what i mean i know you said before while you were figuring out if you were going back

or not they were contemplating hiring new housewives what is that feeling when new housewives come on is it excitement for a new or is it frustrating like here we fucking go i gotta get to know like some new bitch it's gonna be like make some drama or is it like this is gonna be fun this is gonna mix it up it's a mixture of both yeah because sometimes i feel like they bring on certain people with an angle you have an example remember the year we had the the the lingerie party and we all got into it real bad that year remember christopher williams and his um i guess his wife or fiancee she knew todd from back in the day and so i guess you know like when they do these interviews they may know that you know these people know somebody and then they try to bring them on to come on to try to say things yeah yeah remember she had the thing it's

like well you know he dated my friend and he likes to swerve and i was like what the fuck she swerved me she's like well you know you went it was before your time you wouldn't understand she kind of came out of nowhere that's what it was yeah no but the point was you know when they do stuff like that they have them bring this thing these things up you know they brought that person on the show to do that to do that because they knew that they knew you or even like was it um the cookie lady or somebody? Remember that year? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. I can't remember whose husband she had some type of affiliation with.

Somebody. But it's just like they will bring people on the show, like good or bad. Like when they interview these people, they're like, OK, do you know any of the girls? What do you know about them? Are you cool with them or are you not cool with them? So when these people come on the show, typically you're wondering, okay, is she coming on the show thinking that she's about to beef with me? Or is she coming on saying she's trying to be friends with me?

What is happening? It's just like one or the other. Yeah, so you never know. Or you'd be like, oh, she knows her. Okay, good. I don't have to worry about it. That's somebody from their past. You know what I mean yeah yeah watching some of your best moments what seemed to trigger you the most was any accusation of inauthenticity oh yeah which i really appreciated and i think what's made

you so successful and have such a long tenure on this franchise is that you were consistent. You were always you for good, bad, or ugly. That's who you were. And I honestly feel like that makes the best reality TV star because over time, whether people agree or disagree with you at any given moment, they know that you are being yourself, which isn't always the case and with a lot of reality tv personalities right who in your experience were would be the least authentic to your authenticity wait what like who like who's not as like there's a lot of like least authentic there seems to be a lot of performative housewives twice you know am I confusing this or who's fake I didn't come out here to bad mouth any of the ladies

I'm not doing that what I will say I'll make a general statement I'm not calling out people specific there are a good amount of people that have been on our show

specifically or other shows sometimes but on our show specifically where I have seen them privately and how they are with cameras and they be two different

people and I just be like what what? You know, people really care about what the world thinks of them. Right. Or, you know, it became a thing, I guess, some years ago when everybody in reality started really doing stuff with brands. So everybody's like, oh, my brand. It's not good for my brand. I don't want people to think that I do this. brand it's not good for my brand i don't want people to think that i do this speaking of it was who was that i don't know what it was it was somebody who used to say they didn't do something but then they caught him on camera doing it or something it's just so many people yeah there's a lot of people you know at this point do they wear shirts they'll be like oh i don't smoke smoke i don't smoke cigarettes and then you catch roll the tapes yeah or either that i never oh your girl that you asked me to we talking I said I never talked but before she was off the show she was like I don't

even curse and then Cynthia brought out a recording of her when she had something she did so it was just like you know and then when and that that's so weird for me when I'm friends with you and I hear on camera you're saying these things and i'm like you are lying your ass off

and i'm like but what how do i how do i do this because i don't like lying i'm not even a lie for myself then why i gotta lie for you yeah you know so you know that makes me think of the um iconic clip of andy asking sheree how is she by sheree joggers he's like excuse me he's asking about your marriage like you were trying to help her and she was taking offense and then she's like summer mid-fall july i don't know that was a funny moment that was funny but yeah there are times where you're just like really how many times have you had an interaction with a housewife filming and you you knew they were lying and you thought to yourself you know're going to roll back the tape on this. Oh, that happens all the time. You can see it in your head. What? Oh my gosh.

You know, like last season, me and Drew fell out bad at the reunion. You know what I mean? I still like Drew, even though we fell out bad. But man, she definitely had that beautiful bean footage rolled back on her. It's just so funny to me because i've been thinking like don't you know they're gonna have you ever said in real time just be like you know there's gonna be no i who did i one time somebody says hey you know they're gonna roll that back they're gonna roll the tape they're gonna roll that back black and white they're gonna roll this back right now just just you know okay keep on keep on uh i know you don't watch a lot of the shows but you've seen

the clips have you been paying any attention about what's gone down uh at real housewives of salt lake city and everything with monica because she's made a lot of waves. No, what happened? No. Okay. No, I'm sorry. That's the one I haven't watched. You didn't watch. Well, the only reason I asked, well, she basically was accused of kind of infiltrating their world. Like she ran like a troll account. Oh!

Oh, okay. I think I saw the clip online. And then people thought that production brought her on to like start drama. Which I don't believe that they did. But she really had a troll account. And a lot of fans are I'm shockingly supporting her.

Why are they supporting her? Well, she's good TV. The season was carried by her. Yeah. She was a one and done. And she was the season. But they knew when the season wrapped she was going one and done yeah and she she was the season but they knew when the season wrapped she was going to be done so that's why i say like they squeezed the juice out of monica knowing that she was going to be one and done because what she did to me was unforgivable

because it's like it's such a violation of of trust and i was just curious if you had any opinions on that like if imagine them casting a housewife on Real Housewives of Atlanta and only to find out this person. And, you know, I'm sure you're aware of many troll accounts that talk a bunch of nasty shit about you and your friends. And to find out that that person got casted after the fact. And spent, went on trips. I mean, like got buddy buddy, got close to you. How would the production know that she had was running a troll account she claims she said in her interviews

for casting she but she's claimed a lot of things she's been caught up in many of lies yeah and and that's the thing it's like i feel like whenever people get caught in some bs on these shows they always want to blame production yeah yeah but typically this is my opinion production they do things that they want to happen to be so you can find out on camera it doesn't do them any good if you find out off camera or they didn't catch it in the act yeah you get what i'm saying yeah so if they literally knew that she had a um a blogger account that would have been part of her story. That's what I'm saying.

Yeah. And you work with brothers, so you got to get what I'm saying. A little bit, yeah. Like people, it doesn't do them any good to have a secret story that never made TV. Well, it only made TV in the finale. Yeah.

So she lasted the entire series. Because one of the other girls found out and put her on blast. Yeah, yeah. But that's what I'm saying. Once they found out, they allowed that to be seen. Right.

But what I'm saying is if they knew from the jump that she had this, that would have been a part of her story from the jump. Yeah. And so that's why I personally,

I feel like I've been doing this long enough to know and I've seen enough people lie on production when they blatantly was doing some BS and then they always want to come up with these lame excuses and want to blame production and come up with these marvelous stories and it'd be like at the end of the day what you can see and find to be true in most of television even when somebody is doing something that's totally effed up if production knows about it

they're gonna follow the story that's the only way it really benefits them yeah yeah it doesn't benefit them if they're not catching it that's true that's true yeah and i just don't think it's i don't feel like they need to go that far to make the tv that they're making it just it to me it doesn't add up that we have enough people that are out here being complete jackasses like she was that don't mind making fools of themselves and getting caught out there. It's like, to me, you can only put on a facade

for so long before it comes to light. Because the thing about you doing TV, right? You always have secret enemies who send stuff in to the other girls about you, who send stuff into production about you. Because even though you think that you are sharing secrets with your friend, for some reason,

either they're telling their friend and their friend is telling somebody else, somebody's like, the girls, we always get a secret DM from somebody with information about other people on the show and stuff like that so my point is even if somehow the information got back how did it get back anyway heather gay heather her hairstylist was best friends with the housewife exactly that's what i'm saying somebody she's talking to is talking to somebody else.

And it always gets back like that. And so, and that's what I'm saying. So, like, on these shows, if you're doing some BS that you think you are keeping a secret, it's never a secret. It's eventually, it comes back around. Monica, I feel, is like, is the first one who got exposed as someone who was behind troll accounts. But to be honest, I feel like it's probably happened before. But is she the first one to get exposed for a troll account? Because then they also exposed the other lady that was paying for the bots that were attacking Garcelle's family.

Diana Jenkins. It wasn't proved, but it was alleged. But allegedly. I think it happens on a lot of, I think a lot of Bachelor people run troll accounts. I think. I think a lot of them do. Because, listen, I did not realize how many people have,

what do they say? Instas. Yes. And so, and this is when I realized it'd be happening, right? When you find, this is what I, every time I have somebody come on my page and they come on like really going hard for a particular person. Like you'll see multiple people going hard for this particular person. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like coming at you with the BS.

If you go to that page, that page doesn't have any followers. Zero followers, no pictures. And haven't been up, that page doesn't have any followers. No pictures. They haven't been up for that long. They're lurking. They're just like, oh, so you just made this page so you could come on here. They're really hype up yourself.

Yeah. This is you. I think it happens a lot more than people realize. Right. So you kind of know when it's, so I just block delete. I don't even give them any action. But I hate when I go on a blog and see those pages doing it.

Because they basically sway the people's opinion by having a whole bunch of those pages and commenting or whatever. And then people are like, yeah, you see everybody's saying that. No, did you really go look at those pages? Just that. It's like five people being really loud. Yeah. Right.

I mean, on the flip of that, you're known to like celebrate your fan accounts, which I think is a very big and respectful thing. Because you're taking them to like dinners and like wine and dine them. I think it's important. Yeah. Because those are the people that really go hard for us. So especially for me, because I get a lot of hate. But a lot of hate. But a lot of love. But the funny thing that I find, like, especially on the show,

everybody's like, oh, Kenny thinks, what did you say about me last night? She thinks because she has all her fans and everybody's scared of her. I said, I was in my mind. I was like, are you serious? Are you saying people are scared of me

because of Instagram pages? Really? I just thought that was so funny. But, you know, if you have really true supporters, I feel like you should show them love.

That's just my opinion. Yeah. I mean, other housewives aren't doing it, so you have the blueprint. Well, maybe they should. Thanks, but I was a nigger, man. Maybe they should.

If you could be a part of any other housewife franchise, is there one that would appeal to you um well she's only watched two seasons of um but she's familiar with jersey i like jersey jersey girls yeah because mind you we all see each other so i really love the jersey girls and we do have an apartment in jersey oh no I like those girls imagine that crossover if you're like I'm done with Atlanta and then you pop up on Jersey I mean the only reason why I was saying that is because I'm there in New York a lot and Jersey is right there no

and then LA I come out here for work so maybe like the bed Hills yeah I like to see you on bedpans I don't know but I don't know well just because I know I could do other work while I'm there productive I mean

I can't just sit around and wait on them to call me all day that's true you've already won a Grammy in the EGOT portfolio what's

what's another award that you would love to put on your mantle you know I want the entire EGOT portfolio, what's another award that you would love to put on your mantle? You know, I want the entire EGOT. I've said it everywhere. Like, it's no secret. I want the EGOT. So I have the G. I need the EOT.

Last year, I was nominated for a Tony. And I was nominated for an Emmy. And we didn't get him. But the nominations meant a lot to me. I haven't been nominated for any of them. I haven't even been invited to the show. So my dream is to win all of them. And basically every year I go after it.

Like right now we have The Wiz that is going to Broadway on March 29th. We did the whole tour. Great reviews. I'm just trying to keep that momentum going, Fran, that, you know, they will secure the T. They will. They got to secure the T. Okay. And I think that's like one of the hardest ones to get.

So I'm really diligently going after it. So right now for the foreseeable future, we're going to be going after the ecot we're going to be working on music scripted television acting we're going to stay away from reality tv what are the well being talent on reality but like what about like something like traitors you know they asked me to do traitors i'm sure they did yeah and you know i said she is doing well which is surprising i i it not surprising at all because you you know you have and she's a she's a she's a traitor listen i don't understand how they don't guess that i haven't watched the show but as soon as i got there she would have been my vote my number one she would have been my vote now um yeah i'm so glad i didn't do it because they don't tell you who else is gonna be there yeah we we it would have been a bad situation

asheray is there too yeah yeah i mean i don't know she's pretty quiet though she's you kind of forget she's there well damn yeah yeah sorry uh she's sneak well that's maybe that's part of her plan she's kind of flying under the radar that could be good yeah well she's and she is still there so you know what i haven't watched it i said that i need to watch it just so i can see what it's about it's pretty good you know a lot of people like it yeah it's fun it's it's fun because it's a show where they're saying they're giving you permission you know it's like we're playing a game of clue we're playing you know and we're giving you all permission to lie cheat deceit each other and we're used to watching these reality tv stars uh in these environments where we're wondering if they're being authentic and we're wondering if they're lying and being deceitful and now you get to see who's really good at it, you know?

And it's kind of fascinating to see, like your girl, not your girl Phaedra, but Phaedra, who is like, she's quite good at lying. You said that, I did. Yeah, I mean, that's like objectively true when you're watching Traders. She is crushing it in the deceit department.

No comment. No comment. What a classy lady. No comment. Would you do a game show? I feel like you'd have a good poker face. You said what? A game show. Traders is a game show or a competition.

You know I did Celebrity Big Brother. I made it all the way to the end my singer too right i won massing there you go and one mass singer yes i did first woman to win damn celebrity big brother was the hardest show that that i've ever done And it's because having to be, you know, they take away your phone, you don't have any like connection to the outside world. And I was in there for what, like five, six weeks or whatever. And I just felt like when I got, got out of there, I just feel so detached and so like weird. Yeah. Like I just felt like i was lost for like a good few weeks and the weird and the funny thing is cynthia she did the show too and she said the same thing it's like once you are away for so long it's like it's almost weird that is a long time to be if you make it all the way to the end yeah you know she did too um so it's just kind of like awkward special forces

hell no uh kenya did that show right yeah yeah that's too much work i don't have yeah i got it pretty well too yeah you know she's competitive and she like you know she works out more than me so i guess did it feel different to be on a live reality show versus something that's filmed and then released later yeah it was definitely weird because i basically feel like i missed that whole you know like i said six weeks of what was happening in the world you don't know what's happening period like you know how they had to tell us who won the super bowl and stuff like that i like i felt like okay so for instance i had like this really dope business plan that i was working on before i found out that i was going in there and i you know me and my partners that we was going to be working on it with we had all the stuff planned we was about

to do this we were about to do that i was were about to do that. So I was all excited. I go into the house. And I'm like, yeah, the whole time I'm in there, yeah, by the time I get out, we're making money. And it's going to be this. And it's going to be that. I came out. Nothing was happening. The whole situation had fell apart. And I was like, what?

No. Hold on. Why did this fall apart? just was like so disappointing to me that's like all you've been thinking of yeah i've been thinking of it it had me going the whole time i was like oh i can't wait to get home and i was like wait a minute but it's just i don't know it just that was just one of a few things that were like you know it just felt so awkward

yeah I bet and like and also to be in the house where everybody is turning on each other you know it's like it's one thing

to be on a show with the housewives and everybody's turning on each other but at least I can go home and talk to my husband about it talk to my mom

and my friends but I literally have to be stuck in this house and i can't leave these people would you do it again or no i i did it it makes it uh it makes it to where it's a harder decision to make right where at first you know i'm like oh yeah this could be fun yeah this could be fun let's go do it and everybody thought that i would you know my whole family's like oh yeah she probably going to be out of there in about two weeks or a week or whatever.

Everybody was like, just stay long enough. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You ain't the first one. My family, just don't be the first one kicked off. Maybe that's the whole time. Yeah, I was like, man. Yeah, you never want to be first. Yeah, you never want to be first yeah you never want to be first do you have um a moment in your tenure as a housewife

that uh you are like maybe most proud of where you felt like yeah i really i don't know the way you handled the situation or crushed the scene and on the flip side are is there a moment or two where you could wish you could have like a take back you know where you wish that maybe you know there's a little bit regret behind maybe your authenticity or you wish you could have been left on unsaid, you know? I think I'm very, I've been, the one thing that I can say for myself that I was true to who I am throughout, like it or hate it, love it or hate it. You know, I don't care what people think.

I know everything I said, I stood by it. You know, I don't care what people think. I know everything I said, I stood by it. You know what I mean? So to go to the better side of it, I think there are so many great moments. I think, I mean, showing my journey of IVF when we were trying to get pregnant. my journey of IVF when we were trying to get pregnant. I felt like I had so many people to reach out to me at that time to say how, you know, they related to what I was dealing with and it made them more open to look at the other options. And then the surrogacy choice, you know, people seeing that journey, I felt like that helped a lot of people i hate a lot of the drama with my family having to be dragged but i mean it was relatable to so many because a

lot of people deal with that everyone you know everyone's got family drama you know it is it is whatever what it is with that um The whole thing with me and Phaedra and Portia, to me, that was like my lowest point. Just because I would have never expected that to happen in a million years with us.

Never. So that was my low. But everything else, it was just drama. It was stressful, but it was able to get past. And I think also the building businesses and showing that you can make it happen

I think has been a great thing for me as far as motivating other people who are watching the show. What do you think has made you the most successful housewife? Just, you know, I just really, I don't mind investing in my team. That's one thing. A lot of these girls, they don't want to spend money on their stuff.

Like, they just want everything for free. They want somebody to come help them figure it out for free. They don't want to pay people. They just want to tag them in a post. Yeah, like, what are you talking about? You're like, I can tag you. Yeah, nah, it doesn't work like that. So you really have to be willing to invest in yourself, in your business or whatever in order to make it successful.

I bet on me every time. So I don't mind putting money into what I'm doing because I know I'm going to get it back in the end. I think that's a big difference to start with we can start on that yeah that's great advice yeah um yeah because you know you can't do everything by yourself and if you want to like especially if you want to have like a product or something like that it costs money and you want quality stuff you know you can't just unless you know some people just want a slap day sticker on a box that was already done. And that's what you want to do.

That's cool, too. But you still need to, you know, market. You still need to have people that help you do that. What other questions do we have for Candy? I mean, I mean, you had a child from IVF and a child from Sirius. You had a child from IVF and a child from surrogacy. Both extremely hard in their own ways. My sister had a child through IVF and struggled and struggled and struggled and has not been successful since.

I feel like a lot of any, this is even like my fear of surrogacy is like I've carried my first child. You've carried a child. That connection with that child from surrogacy. Is it as strong as it is? I feel like there's a fear of like I didn't carry this child. So like I don't feel as connected. I know Khloe Kardashian kind of went through this with her second child. Yeah. She was like, I just don't feel as connected. I know Khloe Kardashian kind of went through this with her second child. Yeah, she was like, I just don't feel as connected to him. I feel like I don't really know him because she didn't carry him.

Did you struggle with that at all? Or were you like, this is my baby? Yeah, I was just like, this is my baby, period. No, I mean, but I... Okay, so first of all, Ace and blaze they are from the same batch of eggs that i did the ivf for yeah so you know with ace you know we used two of them i ended up with four what they say viable yeah embryos yeah so two we put in i got ace because only one took yeah and then um it was high risk though the second time next time we tried because todd said we're not leaving any of them behind there you go

yeah so he's them all last two and um with our surrogate and one came through well actually both of them took but then what they call, like a disappearing twin where first they showed two men. Yeah, so I was very disappointed, but then I was happy that we still got one. And at the end of the day, I mean, I don't see it any different. Like, that's my

baby girl. She's a handful though. Yeah. She's fire. Blaze is the perfect name for her. But, yeah. Blaze is the perfect name for her. But, yeah. What advice would you have for anyone going through the surrogacy process, good or bad? I always tell people, if you're thinking about surrogacy, you need to start doing the research and all of that today. Like, don't just keep saying, oh, you know, I'm thinking about it.

Like, don't just keep saying, oh, you know, I'm thinking about it because by the time you actually make the move, it's such a long process before you even get to the part about, you know. What is the process? Well, I know for me, I had secured an attorney in Georgia, but they walked me through the whole process because there are so many questions that you have to deal with. Like, you have to go to counseling with the person before you even start, you know, like agree. Right. And I, it was so many questions that they asked that I wasn't even thinking about,

you know, like it's the rule is my baby, but your body. So if something happens during the course of that, they really get to make the decisions. And that's scary when you think about it. It was just a lot that, you know, I learned during the process. But like I said, having someone who's already carried before or versus a first time carrier, you know, where are you going to find, you know, all of that. So anyway,

You know, where are you going to find, you know, all of that. So anyway, the lawyer that we had found, she really took us through a lot of the process and told us, you know, the right steps to take. And then we had a surrogate who had already done it before. So she really best. Yes. And Dr. Jackie introduced us. Thank you. Thank you, Dr. Jackie. Shout out to Shadina but yeah

do you keep that relationship with that surrogate or no yeah we're still cool we still follow each other on Instagram okay she actually I mean some people thought this was weird but she carried again

for my friend Shamia why would people think this was weird but she carried again for my friend um shamia why would people think that's weird well i don't know you know some people were just like so you and candy got the same baby so they're like what i was like first of all it's our baby when you put it like that she was our carrier but if you ever want a recommendation, you want a recommendation for this. Why would you want to go with someone that you aren't familiar with? So anyway, but it was a lot that had happened.

Well, they were public about it. So I guess I can say, but Shadina, she ended up having breast cancer during the course of the pregnancy so it was just a you know an emotional time for all of us you know but she's good now okay she's good thank god she's good thank thank god and everything you know worked out but um yeah it's a lot it's a lot it's a lot yeah no totally I just didn But yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot.

It's a lot. Yeah. No, totally. I just didn't know if it's like or if it's up to you if that that cord is cut and you're like, you know. It is up to you. Everybody is different. Some people don't even want to know their surrogate.

Oh, wow. So some people keep it totally between the relationship between either their agency or attorney. Yeah. And or, you know know so and the doctor so sometimes when the surrogate has the baby they never even know who they're caring for which i think is kind of weird because i'm like what if the world is ending yeah yeah we just get a notice i need her to know i'm coming for my baby like you know what i mean yeah um but yeah i mean people

have different you know levels of privacy right right what they're comfortable with yeah totally that makes sense we actually had a caller not too long ago who uh called in a couple years back getting some advice because she couldn't get pregnant. And then followed up with us because they did surrogacy. Her surrogate got pregnant. Then God came and she got pregnant. Oh, wow. And then her surrogate and her had the babies on the same day. What?

Yeah. So she technically had like fraternal twins. Yeah. That is awesome. That's great. Yeah. One boy, one girl. That's pretty cool.

It's such a fascinating concept that like sometimes you hear about the surrogacy process, and it seems almost like this is a thing. This is a thing that people do. So it's very fascinating to hear people's stories, and I appreciate you sharing that. Yeah, it's been great. That's pretty cool. I like it. All right, it's time for texting office hours.

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Stream every episode of Traders Now only on Peacock. How's it going? Hi, I'm Bridget. I'm 32 years old, and I cut my best friend of 10 years out of my life two years ago, and I'm thinking about texting her to invite her to my wedding. Okay. Well, let's start with why we cut her off in the first place. Yeah, a bit of a long story, but we cut her off in the first place. And she got married and through our friendship. And I had always kind of been that friend who was a little bit more of a wandering lost soul, you might say.

And she kind of was always the one who had her life together. She'd been with her partner since 18 and was getting married. I was there through all of that. But I was always, you know, multiple partners, never really could figure out my job life or my relationship life. And, you know, as your 20 something life, in my opinion, should be. Fast forward, we went traveling together, me, her, and her partner. There'd always been personality differences. Like, she was a little quite blunt.

She grew up with a sister. They're used to fighting with each other, and I'm just not like that. I'm very bad at confrontation. So it was kind of always, anytime there was a problem with me, she would have would have her say I would apologize and that would be what it was and then when we went overseas that's really what it was again and she always would kind of make me the brunt of the joke or anytime we'd be in a group setting she would make fun of me or put me down just you know to rise the group up and so after our trip, I took a little bit of time away. We talked it out. She apologized. We moved past it. Fast forward a couple of years later in COVID,

I made the move out West. I'm originally from the East and life really kind of fell into place for me. That's when I got a new job. I was incredibly happy. I met a partner about six months after moving there and I could not wait for her as my best friend to come and move out west. At the same time, she was going through a divorce of that partner that she'd been with forever. She was definitely in a darker place of life and going through a lot, but was messaging me and could not wait to come and visit, could not wait to come and see me. And I was like, can't wait for you to meet my partner. And I was like, what do you want to do? And I made this entire itinerary. She said she really just wanted to be around people.

She'd been in the East during COVID. Everything was fully locked down. So I made everything kind of in the way that she wanted to be around people, meet my new friends, be in a group. She came out and the first three days we spent just the two of us. It was amazing. Then she met my partner. I was like, look, like this is my person.

I've never felt this way. It's only been two and a half months but this is my person I am going to end up with him I've never been this strongly about something and immediately just started cutting that down saying how oh sure Bridget you've always been with people like that you've always said that I was like no no like this is different and then as soon as she met him everything flipped her her entire personality she was so miserable she was on her phone the entire time didn't engage with him didn't engage with our friends I'd planned this entire itinerary then she got angry with me about the fact that we were only with friends and there wasn't enough alone time and long story short it was just it was quite a miserable experience my partner was like oh my

god this is your best friend and for me we'd been together two and a half months and I was like oh he's gonna leave me because he's gonna think I have horrible friends in my life and this is the first he'd met of my east coast friends and when I brought it up to her she was like I don't give a fuck about his friends or him. Like I came to see you and you only and you're not even giving me the time of day. And on the last night, even I planned like a final good night party with my family that she knows. And she booked a hotel and had booked an Uber to go there and hadn't even told me. And I only found out because I was like, OK, we're on our way to the beach.

And she's like, oh, actually, no, I'm, I'm leaving. And so I made her cancel the Uber and I drove her to the airport. I was trying to talk things out with her and just wouldn't. And the whole time she was again, putting me down, making fun of me in front of my partner, saying all these exacerbating things about me that weren't even really true. And my partner was like, that is not the fan that I know, but again, two and a half months. And basically made me feel like I wasn't taking her into consideration after

all. And that was kind of the final straw for me. And I left it after that week saying, I'm going to see what she does, because I do think I'm owed an apology. And it just never came. And I just I didn't feel like I was in the wrong enough to be the one to once again in our friendship initiate an apology when I felt so confidently that I wasn't in the right. But then fast forward to now, we're now engaged with that partner that I said was my person. We're getting married in the fall. But it's all of these things that her and I talked about for a decade that I'd been a part of for her. And I'm a massive Real Housewives fan and so when watching Real Housewives I'm watching them forgive each other over all this crazy shit that they do to each other they have this like

recurring nightmare of did I leave her in her lowest time of life and am I not forgiving her and being there for someone when they're in like the worst stage of their life? And that's kind of where I'm at today. I feel like she should be a part of this and she isn't. And it just makes me sad. Some of the real housewives, we never forgive each other. Yeah, I mean, I'm talking mainly OC, like Shannon, Vicky, the shit they do to each other and what they've gone through. I'm just like, oh, my God, if they can forgive that,

am I being a bad friend? Some of them only forgive because they're stuck on the show together. Yeah. That's what my partner says. You have a choice, but go ahead. What is your partner? How does he feel about it?

He was really unimpressed by her, but he saw her at the lowest part of her life right and i sure i think she's one of those people who had not really been through much horrible experiences and everyone's worst experience is their worst experience i'm not discounting that like if your dog died that's the worst thing that's your worst thing but she had never had to get over something the way that she was going through with the divorce. I got a question for you. You reflect back on the relationship, the friendship, a recurring theme that you kept bringing up is that for much of this relationship,

she had her shit together and you were kind of the free spirit and you made mistakes here, there, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And she seemed to really remind you of that on a regular basis. And there are a lot of friendships out there that have a dynamic like that, where they're friends because one person's there to make the other person feel better about themselves. And I'm wondering if you look back on this friendship, was that always your friendship? Was was she always there to like point out your faults remind people when you make mistakes and yeah she was going through the lowest part of her life but once again did she like come you know it's like she almost like came out to feel good about herself and yet here you are meeting this new guy having friends having success and

you weren't able to give her what she was used to receiving from you, which is to feel good about herself. And I'm just wondering, is there happier moments that maybe you're not speaking to of that friendship where, you know, what are you, I guess it's, my question is, what are you trying to bring back into your life? No, that's a great question. And that's a thing like we we only have a limited amount of time so i can't go through 10 10 years of an amazing yeah i don't need every example but like that's this you can answer that question is like what is what is a friend would she be bringing to you if she were to re-enter your life because it doesn't sound like you need someone who's there to like jab at you make make comments remind you

that you've been a fuck up you know and like listen i've i got some you know my guy friends you know i i have a couple friends i've been friends with since high school you know i have friends with me throughout my life but like you know sometimes when you have old friends i've had had a couple moments with friends where like they bring up like we were i was like in my late 20s and they would like bring up shit from high school and i'd be like dude what the fuck right are we it's over and like you know at that moment my buddy was like yeah you're right i'm sorry man i don't know why i did that shit so like if she's open to receiving that fine but i guess again the big question is it's not so much like it's not about whether you're a bad friend or a good friend it's like you're an adult now

people outgrow friends all the time yeah you're not who you were 10 years ago you don't owe the friendship anything and so the big question is do you think she's capable of being a good friend to you now because who gives a shit about what promises you guys made to each other when you were 20 right i do have a question though um in this time that you guys haven't really been communicating has she been reaching out to you no so there was two times one weird facebook update i think that happened where they were sending text messages when people would post something and so it texted me that she had posted something but it came through of like this person wants to share this with you so I sent back to her and saying hey was this on purpose I thought

maybe it was a weird you know yeah passive aggressive way of connecting with me and she just responded no period and then one of our really good friends who we had lived with when we had moved out west together had passed away a year and a half ago and she messaged saying hey this person died in case you didn't know period which I had already known thank goodness because that's not the most it just I feel like that's my thing. And that's what my partner says. And what I say to him is, if I were to let her back in my life, and don't get me wrong, there was 10 years of amazing friendship. And that's why I'm even this is even weighing on me. If she had been a shit friend that whole time. I have enough good friends. I don't need that. But she's definitely been one of my longest friends because I am not

someone who holds on to people who don't bring me joy. And she brought me a lot of joy. But I would need to see changes. And that was the thing is I feel as though she was that person going through a divorce where she just thought time would heal wounds. But I, through my life, have known like you need to put the work in. If you're going through something and you're unhappy and you want to get past it, you have to make actionable choices to get past it. and I felt like she wasn't doing that and then

was taking it out on me on that trip and I was just I'm hoping and praying that she's done the work now it's been two years but I don't want her in my life and don't want her there if that's what it's going to be I just at the same time like like, do I make that first move? Because it's kind of that thing like a wedding is something you can't really redo or come back from. And, you know. OK, can I just say something? Your answer is no. And if you want to reconnect with her, reconnect with her after the wedding, because the I can already tell right now you're going to be thinking so much about fixing things with her. That's going to be taken away from your wedding experience. And this is a rule of thumb in any relationship, whether it's the person you're with, dating, relationship or friendship. He who cares the least about keeping the relationship is the one who controls it.

She has not called you. She does not. She has not showed you any care or concern. She's not reached out. She's not showed you any care or concern. She's not reached out. She's not like, oh, let's reconnect. She's not giving you anything. So basically, you are constantly thinking about her, trying to figure out how to make it right with her. And then at the same time, you're telling us, but she has to do the work. She's not trying to do any work. She controls that friendship from what you described. She's been controlling that friendship. to do any work she controls that friendship from what you described she's been controlling that friendship and what you need to do is understand that the ball is in her she controls it so even if she does you wrong so what i mean by this is have you ever seen a person date somebody right

and then you'd be like you know or he's they or let's say i'm in a relationship and this person's doing me wrong and i'm like you know what i'm done with you I'm leaving all that person has to say is you know what you're right I'm doing wrong and um you know let's just go ahead and take this break you know what people who are needy do they do no no no let's talk about this we need some closure we need to have this we need to figure out what's going wait a minute why am I saying that to them they did me wrong you know what i mean all they had to do was flip it on me i used to do that to dudes all the time it's like because it's like even if i'm dead wrong i don't really have to apologize to you because i know as soon as i tell you you know what you're right i'm you know let's just take a break you don't really want to take a break from me so you're gonna be trying to like well let's figure this out let's talk let's see how

the the power switched don't let the power switch on you before your wedding at least go ahead get married enjoy that have fun do not make your wedding about her because that's what it would end up being lord forbid she comes and make stupid jokes about you, you know, during the whole thing. I can't believe you're getting married. Like that would only take to ruin your day. Oh my God.

Look at you in that dress. Oh girl. You would have never looked like that before. If she'd say anything, it would tear up your day. Don't let anybody come. If there's joyous time in your life that can kind of like mess that up you know if you want to figure it out with her i get it you love her you know y'all got

history but do that after the wedding enjoy this moment take it all in the person who cares it's all about you right now the person who cares the least controls the relationship that's good they do yeah you're right no that's it actually said yeah no that your whole like your benchmark is your wedding date and i get why you know but candy is right and also just to point out just because you get married and she's not there doesn't mean you guys can't reconcile if there's you know like it's just a it's a wedding you know and i'm a big believer and your wedding is about the two of you and it's nice to have friends and family there and share that occasion but like that doesn't make or break your wedding you know it's just not you don't know who's gonna for all the people you

invite to your wedding someone might get covet or get sick or might have to miss it who gives a shit like it's that's not gonna make a difference your wedding and like candy said forget about like all addition what she could say to you this is a person who has a track record who could be sitting in the audience so to speak or at the and just be talking shit all fucking day just like dropping little like um well she was like this when i've known her for so long i don't know like you know and people at weddings all the time there's always a couple people be like i don't think it's gonna work you know there's always a couple of those people you know you don't want that energy at your wedding and yeah um it's hard very it's very hard to disagree with candy on this i don't think your

wedding should be what's instigating the reconciliation i think it's the milestones that surround the wedding as well more than anything like you're. I would also understand if I was in reverse situation. Like, that would probably be very uncomfortable for her as well to come to, like, that big event when a lot of my friends and family know that we have not been speaking for two years. So it's about having her back in my life for these big monumental milestones that I feel like we're missing. And I also just worry about how she's doing. Because I know she was in a bad place a few years ago. And I also just worry about how she's doing. Cause I know she was in a bad place a few years ago and it's just tough. And all of my friends are, you know, they're my friends. And that was why I wanted to call in and have this conversation with a very

unbiased opinion, someone who does not care at all or does not know me because they're always going to be on my side. And they're always going to tell me that you know i'm in the right because they know my perspective and not necessarily hers well minus your wedding you know um listen if if you want if you're curious enough to reach out reach out and see if there is change i mean you know can you set a boundary can can you know you it this is it sounds like this is someone where the relationship she had the power dynamic you know and for whatever reason you felt compelled you probably apologized to her way more than you ever should have she would never apologize to you and yet she was the one who was poking at you and so it's just very easy to go back into that dynamic. And you have to ask yourself, do you have the strength to really change the dynamic of your relationship?

And is it really worth it? And to Candy's point, she has not reached out. She hasn't made any attempt whatsoever. And that says a lot. That says a lot. I've never really thought about that the person who cares the least has and maybe she was just always the one who cared the least and like i tried so hard to immerse myself in her life and her friends and the lack of care about doing that when i was

finally in a place i was proud of was just a really hard blow but i don't know i always believe that people can change and sure i don't know i'm always you know me can change. True. I don't know. I'm always, you know, me, I'm a big fan. I'll send a letter that says, I miss our friendship. I don't like the way you treated me, yada, yada. Say your piece and maybe, you know, I would stand your ground when you communicate. I wouldn't reach out just to be like, I miss you. Definitely not.

Yeah, the uuptech.11pm. It would have to be like, i miss our history but the you know the reasons why i haven't reached out are x y and z you know um but here on this side i feel like we we doubt her potential she's knowing ask a mutual friend how she's been doing yeah okay she's good glad to hear that call her after the wedding i'm just such an advocate for direct communications like i don't want to do the back door like that just feels high i wanted you know that's how you get your end up being the one that's always taking advantage of yeah she's yeah she is not giving you the same consideration you're giving her you're you're it's it seems like a very one-sided

yeah maybe she is like we don't know i haven't reached out she hasn't but maybe she's that yeah maybe but two years isn't that great to be even when you mistakenly hit her like hey girl did you mean she was like no no also if she did the work that you're wondering if she did i'm pretty sure she would have reached out uh yeah yeah no that's fair and i i appreciate the unbiased perspective but you're probably right you're you're banking on a lot of hope yeah and listen i'm not saying you can't never try to rekindle the friendship i'm just saying wait till after the wedding you know because i just don't want your wedding to be about her that's it yeah i don't want that wedding to be about her that's it yeah

i don't want that now i mean hey if you like i said if you care that much about what's going on with her right now i'm sure y'all got mutual friends you can ask them how she been yeah the more i think about it the more i agree with candy too because you you started this after you told us a story your big question was am i the friend? Which is absurd hearing your story. And yet that was your big concern, which like there's that vulnerability that I think you could be taking advantage of by someone that you're describing, knowing that your big concern is what people think of you as a friend. And that makes you vulnerable to someone like her.

Yeah, no, that's fair and not the first time people have said it but it's good to hear it from an outside perspective that's not someone who loves me so cut her off all right i appreciate it yeah there's not a lot of upside here glad we could help yeah all right we'll take care you know i like it about not making it the wedding but yeah i i appreciate it thanks so much guys well congratulations on the wedding i hope it's amazing and focus on the wedding and not about any no one else matters but you and your partner best friends they don't call you anymore well thank you and good luck on your wedding as well and with the daughter thank you i appreciate it all right thank you all right take care bye bye well candy that wraps it up for us i was like girl if you don't tell that lady i see you when i see you like keep it pushing you seem like someone who's very good at enforcing

boundaries with everyone in your life you know i know i think the thing about me is the people who i've decided that you are going to be in my life for life if we're lifers then i don't let anything petty get between us whatever whatever we don't have to talk every day i'm still gonna be you know we gonna pick up right where we left off you know what i'm saying but i refuse to allow somebody to make me feel like they can just continue to walk all over me and i'm just gonna take it yeah and that's what she was describing to us i was like i don't know who or what how you've been brought up you know to always be the person that accepts that but i'm not i wouldn't yeah well that's what i'm saying sometimes people are friends because of

that dynamic and it sounds like that's what carried the friendship is right yeah i wouldn't be doing that yeah well candy i really appreciate you coming on it's been such a pleasure uh again congratulations on an incredible run as a housewife i I think I speak for most Bravo fans when we hope it's not the end, but maybe just a pause. And if it's not Atlanta, maybe there's a spinoff, or maybe it's a girls' trip. Maybe we'll do Traders together. What?

You and I. No, terrible. How long are they in? That's the thing. I think it's three weeks. Okay. I. You know? No. Terrible. How long are they in? That's the thing. I think it's three weeks. Okay. I don't know. I don't know.

Never know. We want to see you on TV again. That's all I'm saying. Well, you'll see me on TV. Catch me on the Chi. Right now, I'm on the Amazon Prime movie with Snoop Dogg called The Underdogs. Hey, you know, you can catch me on The Past, the movie that my husband and I produced.

We got some more films coming this year. I got a lot of stuff going on. You will see me. Also as Candy. You were an excellent housewife. Oh, thank you. And congratulations

on all your success. I hope you get your EGOT. I'm rooting for you. And honestly, just congratulations on an incredible run. Thank you. Thanks, you guys, for listening. Hope you and uh honestly just congratulations on an incredible incredible run thank you uh thank you guys for listening hope you enjoyed this episode don't forget to send your questions at ask nick at the file files.com for all things texting office hours

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