The Viall Files - E717 GD with Heidi Montag & Spencer Pratt Plus Scheana Memes, JVN Exposé, and Alaia Baldwin’s Tampon

Episode Date: March 7, 2024

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Going Deeper Edition! To start things out, the household gets together to talk about recent headlines - such as Scheana memes circling the internet, Jonathan Van Ness��� exposé, and what actually led to Alaia Baldwin’s arrest. Then, we talk to Heidi Montag and Spencer Pratt about filming The Hills, how to avoid noise from haters, their old spending habits, calling paparazzi on themselves, Scandoval, and the advice Spencer wanted to give Rachel. Then, we have a Texting Office Hours caller whose ex won’t stop contacting her - and she isn’t sure if she should tell his wife. We wrap up by talking about stalkers, Bling Ring, and get an exciting announcement from Spencer.  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Article Furniture - Article is offering our listeners $50 off your first purchase of $100 or more. To claim, visit https://www.ARTICLE.COM/viall and the discount will be automatically applied at checkout. ZOA Energy - Available online and at a store near you. Find out where you can find it at https://www.ZOAEnergy.com and fine retailers like Amazon, 7-Eleven, Costco, Circle K and more. Rocket Money - Stop wasting money on things you don’t use. Cancel your unwanted subscriptions by going to https://www.RocketMoney.com/VIALL Apostrophe Skincare - We have a special deal for our audience: Get your first visit for only five dollars at https://www.Apostrophe.com/VIALL when you use our code: VIALL. That’s a savings of fifteen dollars! This code is only available to our listeners. SKIMS - Shop SKIMS Bras at https://www.SKIMS.com Now available in 62 sizes (30A - 46H). Plus, get free shipping on orders over seventy five dollars! If you haven't yet, be sure to let them know we sent you! After you place your order, select "podcast" in the survey and select our show in the dropdown menu that follows.  Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @heidimontag @spencerpratt @nnataliejjoy @alison.vandam @dereklanerussell @leahgsilberstein @justinkaphillips  Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 05:30 - Hailey Beibers Sister 14:03 - Scheana and VPR 22:00 - Jonathan Van Ness 24:50 - Love Is Blind 32:48 - Welcome 34:16 - TikTok Battles 41:28 - The Hills 01:02:24 - Parenthood 01:12:15 - Spending 01:20:10 - Calling Paparazzi 01:29:28 - Reality Reckoning 01:53:45 - Texting Office Hours 02:04:48 - Stalkers & Bling Ring 02:07:15 - Announcement 02:21:14 - Outro

you're crazy what's going on everybody welcome back to another exciting episode of the vile files going deeper edition i am your host nick joined by the, we got sweet boy Justin, Leia, and Allie in Minneapolis or St. Paul, wherever the fuck you are. By a river. And also, back in action, Nellie Joy. Woo. Hello.

Hello. Vocals. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you. We have an absolutely great episode. A really fun episode. Someone was just trying to hack into my PayPal account, and if it's you, I will find you.

Watch out. Heidi and Spencer Pratt. Do they share the last name? It's like Heidi Pratt, right? Spencer Pratt? Or does Heidi have like a... Heidi Montag. Heidi Montag.

If you're asking for the pop star, it's Heidi Montag. Heidi Montag. Montag. Montag. Montag. Montag. Montag. Boy you're asking for the pop star, it's Heidi Montag. Heidi Montag. Montag. Montag. Montag. Boy, boy, we better. Sorry, Heidi. Spencer Pratt.

Heidi Montag. She could not say your last name for the life of her. That's fine. Legends in the reality TV community. Lots of fun. They're always serving up great content. You are going to absolutely love this episode. I promise you that.

There's also just, it's just so great to have you back in the saddle, babe. You know, it's fun making content. He's got these country sayings. He's got these cowboy boots on. He's feeling himself.

Baby, you're just like, I'm, I'm morphing in to the husband you want me to be. You know, there is that you were the husband i wanted you to be at september 2019 hun for sure yeah he did say something earlier he said a new sheriff's in town i did yeah it's the boots okay period yeah he hasn't taken them off i got

them for him for our welcome party for our wedding and And actually, I didn't get them for him. Takoba sent them to him. Yeah, thanks, Takoba. Thank you, Takoba. I appreciate it. But I did pick them out and force him to say yes. And he put them on and has not taken them off. I was a little uncomfy putting them on for the first time.

I'm like, there's no way I'm going to be wearing cowboy boots. But I look good in them, you know? I can't help but notice. When you walk, is there like a sound effect? It's definitely weird. They're very weird. Okay. I'm getting used to them, for sure. Also, like, you can spin help but notice. When you walk, is there like a sound effect? It's definitely weird. They're very weird. Okay. I'm getting used to them for sure.

Also, like you can spin on them really easily, like from a line dance. You've been spinning? Well, no, I mean, like you said, we have to go line dancing. And then I was like, wait, these are kind of easy to pivot on, you know? How often are you pivoting? Maybe. I just, I'm just, I'm breaking them in. Okay.

Yeah. Break away. He's breaking free. Yeah. You think I look good? No, I think you him in. Okay. Break away. He's breaking free. Yeah. You think I look good? No, I think you look great. Super cute. Some housekeeping notes before we get into all the other things we want to talk about

before we get to Heidi and Spencer. Next week on Going Deeper, we have the one, the only, following the Love is Blind reunion, which drops next Wednesday, the day after, we have yours truly, A.D. with us. We now know that she was left at the altar. We're sad for A.D. We're not necessarily surprised. Clay was begging for her to break up with him. He didn't.

He was forced to do it begrudgingly. But obviously, we fell for A.D. We were big fans of A.D. this season. I think she was the star of this season, quite frankly. And we are lucky to have her exclusive post-reunion interview. She is with us in studio. That's next Thursday. So get ready for that. It is a good one. You will not want to miss it. And then next week's guest on Going Deeper. I don't want to say it quite yet, but we're excited about it. It's going to be a lot of fun.

As always, we're doing great things here at the Wildfiles. All right. What are we getting into before we get to Heidi and Spencer? Can I just say a little insider scoop about Love is Blind? They are currently filming in Minneapolis for season eight, I believe. And it is turning this city upside down. The shit that's already come out about certain people who are on the cast is wild on tiktok yeah we are aware we heard the uh

the cast list leaked um for minneapolis you know here's my opinion about generally this stuff i think there are a lot of clout chasers and wannabe stars and And I generally think when it comes to this stuff, be careful what you believe. This season, some girl went super viral on TikTok pretending to be in a relationship with one of the contestants and things like that. I heard about something about the Minneapolis one. I think there was one girl who, I don't know exactly even what she said.

She said X, Y, or Z. But buried in their comments was a comment from her saying she hopes the bachelor producers see this so they can consider and cast her for their show it's like these people can't help but be obvious about their clout chasing so just take what you see with a grain of salt because um yeah there's a lot of wannabes out there uh and i say this as a midwest kid myself from the great city of miliawake but like uh there's some thirsty thirsty beavers in the midwest who just just desperate you know they would be excited to be in the five o'clock news so imagine they get

to say that they knew someone who's gonna be on love is blind and yada yada yada do you know anyone on it our parents are friends cute oh your your parents are friends with one of the guys who's on love is blind okay all right what are we getting into did you hear about hayley beaver sister i did yeah was right off the heels of daddy steven steven i really i only know steven baldwin from the movie biod Don't even know that Yeah, well it's an old movie He plays like this stoner pothead So I will always see him as that character Anyway, we all know that he asked Christians to pray for his daughter Haley and Justin

Only Christians He did not want any other prayers Yes, he asked Christians only Christians only to pray for his daughter and his son-in-law. Who seemed to be fine. They seemed fine. They seemed fine.

Yeah. They were seen like leaving. Church. Church. Justin was very covered in his face. Christians always covered. Yeah. To an extent, I guess.

But so who knows what that's about. But yeah, it comes off the heels of him asking for prayers. Maybe some misdirection. And then it happened in Savannah, Georgia. My hometown, some would say. I would say half the time. The other half the time it is Auburn, Alabama. But in Club Elon, which is definitely where I used to pass back a fake ID and get into that bitch.

Didn't you take me to that place? Club Elon? Absolutely not. It is like horrendous now. Is me to that place? Club Elon? Absolutely not. It is like horrendous now. Is it the basement place? No, that's Barrel House. Club Elon is like a massive, massive warehouse that like is so hard to fill because it's just so big.

So you walk in and you're like, oh my God, this place is dead. But that's where they have, I think I saw Nelly perform there. Pop off. Yeah, they kind of get some performers. but that's where they have I think I saw Nelly perform there. Ooh. Pop off. Yeah. They have

they kind of get some performers. Anyways she was there. Okay. And from what I heard from my best friend

Chambliss she has someone who was involved on her Snapchat and she's on their private Snapchat so she really got the tea.

You know what I'm saying? And story is Aaliyah was drunk and she's like I need to really got the tea. You know what I'm saying? And story is, Aaliyah was drunk and she's like, I need to go to the bathroom. Like, let me use that bathroom. And they're like,

it's an employee's only bathroom. You can't. And she was like, I just need to throw up and change my tampon. And so the bartender... Which is like a reasonable request. No, for sure.

Yeah. And which like shockingly, the bartender's like, okay, fine. Like, be quick. And so she goes into the bathroom, the bartender's like, okay, fine. Like be quick. And so she goes into the bathroom and I guess she's in there for forever. And so then people start, you know, security gets involved. They're like, you got to come out.

For some reason, she changed her tampon, but she did not flush the tampon. She put tampon in pocket and exited a used one her used tampon that she removed from herself into her pocket and exited the bathroom. Do you know this to be true? Yes. How do you Because the victim is speaking out

The bartender is saying the same thing She was pulled out of the bathroom kicking, screaming, crying and pulls her if you're watching this on YouTube, you're lucky, pulls said tampon out of pocket and flicks it up and hits the bartender's cheek and it like blood streak on her cheek. So that was the assault?

Yes. Yes. Oh God. It's so ironic because Hailey Bieber is clean girl aesthetic she is known for being Miss Clean Girl and her sister is carrying her

dirty tampon in her pocket she's like the anti-clean girl anti-clean girl it's like a comic book story what did did her dad

ask for prayers for her no I don't think I've heard him speak out about her in quite some time she was drunk not to like

give her the defense but like yeah it's not as crazy as doing that sober. It's still pretty crazy. Maybe she thought the pocket was the trash. Trash? Trash.

You are an empathetic sweet sweet. That's why we call you sweet sweet. You're not supposed to flush. Are you flushing tampons? Oh, so maybe she was being considerate. She went into the bathroom. No, no. Allie is throwing their bloody tampon in being considerate. She went into the bathroom. No one is throwing their bloody tampon in a trash can. She went into the bathroom.

You're not supposed to flush them. Who is letting that sit in their trash can? Me. No, you can't flush them. She saw a sign that said, please do not flush your tampons. By the way, there's a sign on every bathroom that says that. Being the rule follower that she is,

she tucked that into her little pocket. And then got angry when everyone started yelling at her and was like you know what fuck it i tried following your rules honestly i feel like i'm team uh what's her name aliana no terrible terrible anyways the bartender did sell her story to tmz for 300 dollars wait nick i feel like you should look into your plumbing If Natalie's been flushing tampons You can't flush tampons down the toilet Okay pull We absolutely need We do need new toilets I did not flush tampons down the toilet at my house

When I was growing up but someone did And we had a massive plumbing issue And it was because of the tampon I have always flushed tampons I'm not letting that blood Sit in my trash can. Well, can we get some sort of biodegradable trash can? My trash can is just filled up with a week's worth of dirty tampons.

We have a special garbage can for our daughter's poopy diapers, and they don't seem to be bothering anyone. The plumbing issue is not me. Don't blame that on me because it's every single toilet, and you use every single toilet in that house. And so it's a you problem. We have shitty toilets,

but this isn't helping. Emphasis on shit. And that's your fault, not mine. I'm a dainty little princess who doesn't do anything gross. I'm a little ladybug. Natalie doesn't poop.

But that is, I can't believe that y'all are throwing them in the trash can. Absolutely. It's kind of a power move for her to throw it at someone. Is it not? It's a really mean thing to do.

Here's my tampon. I wouldn't do that to my worst enemy. She was probably trying to follow their rules. The fact that she's ruined her pocket. It's now it's got her blood sitting in it. Oh, my God. There are so many things that are wrong. At least carry a Ziploc.

in it oh my god it's there's so many things that are at least carry a ziploc i mean i i think you should always have a ziploc bag with you at all times you just never know when you might need to that's a great way of sneaking alcohol into a concert could be that ziploc bag maybe a bag of booze and you put it in bra, and you kind of balance it between your titties. Then metal detectors won't find it. Are you still doing this? I know I pay you enough to try your own alcohol. Concerts have like $20 drinks. That's true.

Speaking of $%&, Nick is back. No, I'm not. No. Oh, you're not? I had a cheat days. Days? Days? You know that's going to be a headline. I'm sure it is.

Nick Viall can't give up even though he promised his daughter he would never and he's such an addict. Literally, he was like, it's the weekend. And I was like, all right, whatever. He had his friend over. I was like, okay, sure. Enjoy your weekend. And then he was like, it's the weekend. And I was like, all right, whatever. He had his friend over. I was like, OK, sure.

Enjoy your weekend. And then he was like, it's the Monday. And I was like, OK, I get it. Mondays are hard. They have leftovers. He's like, I'm just going to finish it. There were leftovers. And Monday was a hard day.

Monday was a hard day. There was a lot going on. Whose side are we on here? I will say I missed a lot. Because you're proud. Yeah. Is this public information? We've say I missed because you're proud. Yeah. Is this public information? We've announced.

I think it's that. I mentioned it. Yeah. But I did pick River up and face her towards Nick in the backyard. I'm so sorry that you can't. Anyways, that's the story of Savannah.

Everyone's like freaking out about it. Small town. Everyone's thrilled. Everyone's thrilled. Also because she had no idea who she was, which I'm kind of shocked. I feel like this girl definitely would be like, I'm Haley Bieber's sister. But apparently she didn't.

Just for her, she did not. Apparently she didn't. And she did not know who she was until all the headlines. And then she was like, wait, no, I'm actually pushing. I'm pressing charges. I'm suing. Oh. And they sold the story for $300.

How do we know it's for $300? It's just the talk of the town, babe. Inside. The talk of the town. And we're comfortable with these numbers? I mean, if she wants to come out and be like, no, I sold it for $500, okay, pop off. But like, I think $300 for selling your story to me.

Well, who sold it? No, the bartender. The bartender who got hit in the face. Got hit in the face. I wonder if she wanted her dad to ask for prayers for her and she was just feeling Acting out. Yeah, she's acting out.

Where are my Christian prayers? Christians only. What about me? Yeah. Poor girl. It's just so weird to be like Christians, please pray.

Like prayers are good wherever they're coming from. Yeah. You know? Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, pray for. Thoughts and prayers. Thoughts and prayers.

Should we be praying for Sheena? We should be praying for Sheena. Because she just got sole rights of the house. So Brock sold his rights to her, or not sold, but transferred. He transferred it. So he did an interspousal transfer grant deed. Oh, I don't even think that's why we're praying for Sheena. I thought it was because the internet is roasting her for this most recent episode of APR, which

we'll get into on Tuesday of Reality Recap. But continue, sweet boy Justin. I apologize. Thank you. Yeah, so this is the grant deed. So basically it's a fancy name for a quick claim deed for married couples usually when a spouse signs this, it is part of an agreement and a divorce. And one of their

family law attorney, Goldie Sean, came out and said that. That's no way that's a real name. Goldie Sean? No way. Goldie Sean. It's no way. Goldie Shawn. It's giving lawyer. It's giving Goldie Hawn. It's giving Goldie Hawn. It's like a drag name for someone who impersonates

Goldie Hawn. There is no way a Hollywood lawyer whose name is Goldie Shawn is actually, that's her actual name. I could be wrong. I'm going to go. Goldie is on the 2024

most popular, or 2023 most popular girls name list. Amazing this person i'm guessing was not born i'm sure i'm just saying old names are coming back yeah no i know it's not the goldie part it's the sean part okay well this drag queen goldie said that this filing could hint at an impending bankruptcy or divorce as the transfer document is not typically signed by couples buying a new home. Do you think it's divorce or bankruptcy? Or, you know, listen, I think Sheena has spoke on this.

Sheena has been divorced. I think when you're a public figure making money, you know, it's a little bit more unnerving. And like Brock doesn't come across as the most self-sufficient financial person. And maybe it's just like a, hey man, like, I love you, but like, also I got to protect my interests and I've already, I've already had this go wrong once. So, you know, we're married for love, not for financial gain, you know, it could be that, you know, I don't know if it necessarily means impending divorce, but. Well, and this lawyer also says the person who no longer has the house is the one that files for bankruptcy to get rid of the debt.

So it could just be a financial. So he could be transferring it. So he files for bankruptcy and then they keep the house. So, yeah, they're not going to get divorced, but maybe he has debt that they're tired of having. And this is a maneuver that they're going to do. And I feel like this stuff always happens and nobody knows what it means. And everyone's just guessing.

That's probably true. We're all just like, they're all like, a lawyer thinks, a lawyer said. It's like, okay, no one knows. The house is like down the street from here. Should we go?

They all live here. They all live. They're all our neighbors. I know we'll get into the episode, but I was not a fan of Brock in this episode. Why Brock? I haven't watched it yet. I usually watch the Vanderpump on the weekends.

I've been watching the internet and I'm very familiar with Sheena's outburst in her. She just is, it's, she can't help herself making anything about her. You know, the lines of, she knew I wanted to be on, I'm happy for, I'm so happy for her. She knew I wanted to be on Dancing with the Stars.

Like you, that's not how you're happy for someone. No, she's been holding on to that. You gotta leave that sentence out, you know, because otherwise it just sounds like an IOU. Like,

like as if Ariana is supposed to be guilty or that somehow Ariana being offered and accepting a Dancing with the Stars gig is somehow like something that she is supposed to apologize to Sheena for, which is like, she just can't help herself. What did Brock do, by the way? I'm sorry. He also just always wants to pick a fight or, you know, there was a moment where they had to sit back to back and Tom and Sheena were next to each other. So they had to sit back to back and she specifically asked Brock to come join each other so they had to sit back to back and she specifically asked Brock to come join and he's like no I'm gonna stay here I'm pretty sure that

Brock and Sheena practice their scenes I just you know I and I don't even I don't even say that with criticism you know I think uh you know Tom Sandoval's life is messy enough where he doesn't have to practice he just has to be vulnerable what Brock and Sheena I think Tom Sandoval's life is messy enough where he doesn't have to practice. He just has to be vulnerable. Brock and Sheena, I think they kind of want to be part of the storyline, so they force storylines. Yeah. I don't know.

But we will definitely get into it on Tuesday, the episode of Reality Recap. But the Sheena memes are popping off today on the internet, and they are fun. Is it only about her comment of she knew I wanted to be on Dancing with the Stars and I was genuinely happy for her? And there's a preview apparently for next week's episode where she, I believe, says something to the effect of Ariana's come a long way since she was my backup dancer. So there's these kind of passive aggressive. I think she does need to get a pass for her struggling with like her

friendship with Tom. I do think that's valid that she like is struggling with the fact that she lost someone that she considered a best friend. And like, she's struggling with, I don't know like how to maneuver that because I'm also friends with Ariana and I don't want to hurt her. And I like,

I think that's a valid point to be struggling and i think that does need to be acknowledged and like not shit on but the comments that she has made i i do think yeah yeah but i don't know it's it's part of growing up i mean sometimes you have to yeah but she's forced to see him all the time so it's not like she could just cut him out of her life and be like yeah whatever it's like she's forced to see him and also still hold this grudge, but we used to be so close, but Ariana... Katie is forced to see him.

She doesn't... But she wasn't as close to him as Sheena was. Yeah, but sometimes you just have to pick a side. All Ariana seems to be doing is nothing. She's just like,

this is my new boundary. She's just like, I just don't want to be friends with them and you know she's making people make tough choices but that's part of growing up i don't know yeah i get i get that it's hard for her but like it's just how she goes about it she doesn't ever she doesn't want to help herself is tom schwartz growing up he has a girlfriend or an alleged on who you ask. That's true. It depends on who you ask. Yeah, but he was seen around Vegas

with Sophia, a 23-year-old recent graduate. Is that all she is, just a recent graduate? That's what we know because people know who she is personally. She hasn't had time

to do anything else. Yeah. Well, I'm 25 and I've done a lot in life. I've not fell off my list. I just think it's kind of hysterical. Tom Schwartz was always going to date someone

in this age bracket. And I kind of, you know. So were you. No, I'm team Tom Schwartz here. I find it hilarious that the internet is going to lose their shit and they're going to talk shit and they're going to try to mock Tom. I should reach out to

Sophia and be like, babe, I can help you through this. He's not going to give two fucks. Tom Swartz. That's true. He was smiling. He looked happy. He looks happy making TikToks. Good for him. Lala Kent's pregnant and I am so very happy for her.

She deserves so many babies. How did she... Is that an appropriate question? How did she get pregnant? Sperm her. She deserves so many babies. How did she, is that an appropriate question? How did she get pregnant? Sperm donor. She talked about it, yeah. Okay. Yeah, she talked about it on her podcast,

I believe. But yeah, I saw a clip of it and she was saying that she found out like December of last year that she was pregnant and now she's in,

you know, she had to wait till she got out of her first trimester. But it's like so exciting. It's so exciting. I know. I love that for her. Yeah.

Growing that fam. She's also backing Brittany in the separation between Brittany and Jack on Watch What Happens Live. She said, leave him. Yeah. Also, we do have a little Brittany and Jack's tea in this episode with Spencer and Heidi,

who had a little insight. They had a rendezvous with Mr. Jax Taylor recently, and they gave some insight into whether they think this breakup is real or fake. So never thought that we'd get that tea from Heidi and Spencer, but hey, the timing was just right. Speaking of tea, Queer Eye's Jonathan Van Ness. There we go. There's that transition. Yeah. They were called emotionally abusive. They had rage issues.

And then it was alluded that Burke leaving the show was because of his actions or his behavior. Ooh. Yeah. And Jonathan is the one that does the hair and the makeovers. Yeah. There's definitely a hierarchy of stars amongst that cast.

And I think we always like assume like these ensembles kind of like almost like a boy band. You assume everyone's best friends or teammates on a on a sports team. I think you the casual fan always assumes, oh, they're teammates. They're best friends. Oh, they're in a band. They're best friends. And often is the case. They're not.

They're just they're co-workers. They're colleagues're colleagues you know the ensemble cast of Queer Eye were individually casted and got together were probably very excited at first but like they've had different successes in their career there's got to be so much ego uh I've interacted with all of them at some point and like some of their requests have been in terms of working with them or not working with them have been of the they must see themselves as a-list celebrities uh versus bobby was so down to earth so down to earth so lovely because i remember like letting him into the parking garage and talking with him and there was like even a slight comment of like oh my co-stars have done x y and z but i don't feel comfortable doing that like he never wanted

to act like he was deserving of all these things i mean anthony is like best friends with gg hadid and taylor swift he's been so imagine the competition between him hanging out with taylor swift and the rest of the the cast of queer eye. You know, the egos involved. I thought Bobby, when he said why he was leaving Queer Eye, mentioned, you know, that their contracts weren't renewing and that at one point he thought everybody was going to be leaving and then he was a little surprised to see that everybody was staying except for him.

And then he mentioned that in the past he's had conflict with Stan. So, I don't know, this is interesting now that this article's come out about Jonathan because maybe it contributed to Bobby leaving as well. Has Jonathan responded at all yet? Because those are some accusations. I'm not totally surprised. I think they have been on their high horse recently, and I think they have seen themselves as almost

untouchable and uh so they have not responded yet but this article did get released just over a day ago that's kind of a long time in the in the zeitgeist of media they are definitely hoping it blows over that's for sure i do love watching jonathan on my television screen though why such a joy to watch well they aren't exactly who they claim to be maybe uh yeah well apparently on tiktok uh super fans have discovered that uh jimmy was in the reflection of chelsea's glasses we now know that they did not work out on the show but there's no maybe a reconciliation. You know, maybe Jimmy really does love Chelsea. Maybe she calmed down. Maybe after the cameras

went away, she, you know, acted more normal. I just think a lot of these people just need to like the... Decompress? No, they just need to date. Like, I think that's why

that's what the issue is. Like the pressure of getting married. You're like, oh, fuck that. I can't get married. But and then once all the cameras are done and all this stuff

and they're like, wait, you're actually kind of fun to hang out with what if we just go in a couple days yeah that's what happened or maybe they're just friends too like they all did you know share this very unique experience and they only have each other to bond over so maybe you know this has been a year since they filmed maybe they're just like cool maybe they're just friends i'm guess i'm guessing that's what it is i'm guessing Maybe they're just like, cool. Maybe that is friends. I'm guessing. I'm guessing that's what it is. I'm guessing that they're just friends and they were hanging out. I think they're probably not dating. Is my guess.

Do you think there's a benefit or a hindrance to how long it takes them to release the footage? Because it's like they they're every time we have one of these reunions, it's like, Oh, well a year's gone by and i'm now with someone else like i just feel like we lose that same sense of like where are they now because so much time has passed no it's i think it's a huge hindrance i think you

know you mentioned them filming minneapolis i think that's episode eight for them i think they they film back-to-back seasons so like i think in the pods they do two seasons at once that's kind of been their mo's so they could be filming season nine right now they could be three years out from airing these episodes that must be torture because i think dc they wrapped in that season seven so that has to come out before any of this minneapolis stuff does yeah so and if they you know then that makes sense that they would be hanging out because for a whole year these are the only people that they can talk to about these things you know like the such a huge part of their life they can only talk about it yeah they only know each other for

a year that's a long time some of these but that, some of these ones are, it's over a year. That's nuts. So right now, for example, they're filming two seasons. So one's going to come up before the other. So even though they started filming the same time, one's going to have to wait at least six months longer and maybe a year longer than the other one.

And they're both going to have to wait at least a year. So one of these current seasons filming are going to have to wait at least a year. So one of these current seasons filming are going to have to wait two years. That's crazy. They got to fix that. I think that's a distributor problem, not a production problem. You know, that would be more of a...

Because Netflix has all the say on, like, when things are released and when they're not. Like, you know, so... That's probably one of my biggest pet peeves is waiting like a year. Like where, where is Handmaid's Tale? Does anyone know? I don't know.

Yeah. These shows that drop a season a year after it's just like, I forgot how, no, I rarely come. How are we? Yeah. Yeah.

I just can't, especially with reality TV. Cause so many people go on their press stores. Give us more Netflix. We'll watch man. Just come on. We're starving press stores. Give us more Netflix. We'll watch, man. Just come on. We're starving. Don't let us move on.

You know? Yeah, I just watched Dune 2 and I realized I completely forgot everything that happens in Dune 1 and I was just very lost. I heard it's very good. It was good, though. It was good, but it took me a second to be like, huh? Who are these people? What are these?

Well, you could have gone back and watched Dune. The last one came out like a year ago, right? No more than that. Really? Yeah. Movies are different. Movies, it's like, huh? Who are these people? What are these? Well, you could have gone back and watched it. The last one came out like a year ago, right? No more than that. Really? Yeah. Movies are different. Movies, it's like, okay, a quick little two hours.

It's like fun. Let's reminisce. But a whole season of something that I don't have time for that. A whole five season like Handmaid's Tale. It's like shit, man.

They make recaps. Those recaps gotta be real detailed. Yeah. All right. Well, it's time for Heidi and Spencer. Before we do, don't forget to send in those questions

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What an honor. I respect you guys. Truly. Thank you. Thank you. Do you hear that a lot? You know, a lot actually. My comment section. The respect I have for Spencer Pratt is unmatched. You know,

one TikTok can sway the public now. Right now, we're doing really well. Thanks to the Montana boys. Oh, yes. Seven million views on TikTok. You can just switch the whole public.

Everyone's like, I hated you so much. Now I love you. I'm like, well, thanks Montana course. I don't know, 7 million views on TikTok. You could just switch the whole public. Everyone's like, I hated you so much. Now I love you. I'm like, oh, thanks, Montana boy. I said on Tuesday's episode, previewing your guys' appearance, that the reason why I say I respect you guys is, well, you got your start on reality TV. And I think I often get asked and approached

by other reality TV personalities for advice and yada, yada, yada. And I always say to them, the thing that's the hardest to do that you'll probably, you know, I'll tell you my advice, you probably won't listen, but it's consistency and authenticity. That's what makes reality TV stars really successful and have a staying power. And you guys have both of those, like you're authentically who you are and you're consistent with who you are. And for all your peaks and valleys, for all your criticism and praise, that's why you've been able to stick around is because you've always been authentically consistent. And I don't know what you have to say about that. That's very true. Consistency is my new favorite word, actually. For real. It is because I learned from TikTok battling that the top TikTok battlers are consistent.

And I was like, man, if I could just be consistent in anything. And when you say battlers, you mean like going toe to toe on TikTok with some sort of drama? TikTok live. So like a year ago when I first saw it, it was a lot different. Now it's kind of saturated like now two years ago there was this thing called the ranks and these streamers were it was so competitive and there was teams and somehow one night late i was just watching the island boys the original boys and they were like doing a tiktok battle i was like what is this and so i just clicked like joined

as i see what's going on the next thing you know all these things are popping on my screen everyone kept on he's like make sure you check out on your paypal after i'm like what are they talking about so in the end it like a thousand bucks i was like oh my god these people are sending me real money so then i was like heidi i hit the lotto so i cut to me not like leaving the internet for you know who's now gets trolled a lot for it and i you know i support him i've thrown him some roses and maybe even a couple of galaxies as jason nash uh from the vlog squad is a big battler now really yeah he's getting i love jason he's getting a lot of negativity but why because people think it's like digital panhandling

but it is though isn't it no because if it was that easy every like well that's a good point go live and try to get people to give you money it's so much harder so how much you making from this i only did it for a quick little window you know pre-baby you can't be a tiktok battler if you have a baby what is your response when people sends you i saw a girl on tiktok live doing um every time someone sent her like a cat or something, she'd be like, meow. So those are NPC streamers when you do like the sound effect type thing.

I was more just like the tequila streamers. I would just be like drinking and just. So you would just be like, thank you for the roses. Oh no, I would just be, we'd be in a battle. I'll be screaming. So it's two people that match, right? So it's one team versus the other. And it's also kind of like gambling. So you're throwing money and lions and things to see whose team wins.

And it used to be that you would be the winner for a week, right? They try to get you to the top for a week. So you're racing this podium and people are addicted to it. Like the audience is addicted. First of all, it becomes like a family. You all know each other. You're in the chat. It's also very dramatic with your gifters because it becomes an entitlement thing.

Like they almost feel like they're owning you as a team player. And it becomes this whole thing. And then they have inside chats. And then some of the people are dating there. Sending nudes and bang. That's why it's hard being married. Not hard, it's blessed. But these dudes are, you know,

it's a lot easier to get gifters when you're sending all these dick pics out, you know, like type stuff. I don't play that game. So I have to be just a normal battler. But they loved Spencer on it. And all the ranks, he was one of the first celebrities to start on it.

And people were getting so mad. All the other gifters were getting so mad but spencer was immediately one of the top people and was one of the people who could break into it now it's almost impossible it's really hard these people are making 20 grand a day a night a night yeah like 20 000 hours a night so what i'm talking about doesn't exist anymore because they made it so it was like fair because it was so locked in and i broke right into the top and this is when you could get 4 000 people live in a stream so yeah 4 000 people against somebody that's got 10 000 and there was all these stakes to it now it's a little it's not as exciting as a long story short is what i learned

if i just do anything you can make so much much money. Thank God for that rundown. What did you think? We got to lock it in here. I honestly don't even know what you guys just talked about, but I'm also fascinated. Natalie's favorite thing to do, her favorite pastime is to watch TikTok lives. Before I had a baby. I don't have time now. Before she had a baby.

But of some of the weirdest people. She would be like, nick look at this and i'd be like why are you watching this person it's i don't know why you watch it it's it's very interesting it's addicting it is too they make it addicting yes i do know that about social media people like karaoke singing in their bathroom like in a small town in delaware Like the least self-aware people ever. And they're online, just proud and loud. What did you think of the Montana Boys TikTok with Miss Kristen Cavallari? I was one of the best videos I've watched in years.

I think we've watched a thousand times now. I was just going to say, I think we've watched it one million times. It gets better each time. Like a million of the views are from YouTube. Yeah, it is. I knew she, I kept, now looking back, because we follow her, and I was like,

what is she training for? Because she was like working out, like when Heidi had her like hydroxy cut campaign, you got to work out like a pro athlete. I'm like, what is Kristen training for? And then I realized it was the reveal with the Montana boys lifting her up in the thong in Mexico was what she was training for. And, you know, it all worked out.

But it's like, oh, you know. It all came full circle. So I was like, what is going on? Really training hard. But you have a 24-year-old Montana boys. You got to keep up. You got to be trained up. She's looking great.

She's great. I'm in the comment section arguing with everybody about it. She's looking great. She's great. I'm in the comment section arguing with everybody about it. I was shocked when I first saw it. She's coming on the show I think in a couple weeks and I low-key suggest,

I said, your new boyfriend's welcome to make a cameo. To no surprise, she's gonna come solo. But we will be able to talk about it with her. We are anxious

to talk with Kristen, friend of show. She's definitely putting it out there. Which we love. Yeah, so it's like the TikTok she did about, what are you going to do? Arrest me? About dating the 24-year-old. So she's... We're not in a position to criticize an age gap.

That's true. You're like role models. That's what we like. We like to think that we truly influenced her and Bradley Cooper and Gigi indeed age gap there as well you know I think I feel like

you know it's age gaps are met with lots of criticism and yet we've they looked at us and they said they can fight

that criticism so can we look at the love they've created this beautiful child they're thriving we're here to give the age gap

community more of a positive the appropriate age gap community yeah appropriate the legal is there an inappropriate oh okay well just like the illegal ones give the age gap community more of a positive spirit. The appropriate age gap community. Yeah, appropriate. The legal. Is there an inappropriate? Oh, okay.

Well, just like the illegal ones. Okay. I would probably say it's like an inappropriate restriction. The ones that started, you know, there's a lot of false rumors about our beginning

of our relationship. Oh, it was criminal initially? Yeah. Well, they say the rumors are that it started when I was like, you know.

19 or something. Yeah. But I was 21. Also, 19 is legal. There's illegal, and then there's like legal weird. I feel like the teen after my, the 19, you know, maybe. That's a non-starter. I was 19 when we met. I've heard 18 is legal.

I follow the law. 23, 22. You're by the book. I don't get past all is that semantics i don't know no it is i feel like a lot of people didn't think y'all would make it well if they went off of storyline i would be you know not like too surprising but they followed us shopping behind the scenes you know they would have known we would have made it we had a snapchat then it would have really seemed like oh that's true exactly never even lived in any of these places that we supposedly

what uh what makes your relationship work whoa what sense you know true love you know uh just go to god on that probably the holy spirit the crystals you know um i don't know because i was not planning on you know being a married type you settle down young so it just shows you and love sweeps you up you just you take it over i don't know that's the spirit obviously i don't know if i hummingbirds i have no answer for that. I'm not even going to pretend. I just say that's what love is. You'll know when it hits you. Yeah, Spencer didn't even want a girlfriend.

I was like, yeah, well, we're going to get married. So you're right. You probably don't want a girlfriend. How long have you guys been together? We have been together for almost 17 years. Have you ever reached a point where you ever guys wondered if we could get through this moment or has it always been rose colored glasses there's definitely one way out of this marriage death and then we go murder that there's no there's no way you want to get through this in

a coffin or cremation that's how nick is yeah so there's that option. Threats. That's how we get through it. Yes. Threats. No, in all reality, I've never hit that personally. Like for me, there are definitely harder times in life and situations that happen. Like when we lost our job and the hills and things like that. And it's really, for me, at least brought us closer together. And we've always been a really good team. And the one thing I know I always have in life is Spencer. And he's the person I go to for everything. And he's the person who makes me feel better. He's the person who, you know, when I'm

sick, I just want like the cuddles and the person who makes me laugh. So I think for us, or at least for me, I just finally found the person who is a soulmate you know you just it just feels different and i felt that right when i met him i was like whoa this is like really yeah power like i love him this is a whole different powerful thank god you didn't take lauren conrad's advice yeah and and you know reality is they didn't show lc was my biggest supporter they just never showed that that was part of the story. Oh, really? Yeah. For a while.

But I didn't want to say her name because then people in the comment section were like, oh my God, he's still talking about her.

Yeah, because you recently, yesterday tweeted something about Netflix, you know, had to go and throw that out there.

So I had to just acknowledge a slander. Neutralize. Yeah, I just said, whoa, Netflix. So that's what

you meant by that tweet? Basically suggesting that that was an out of context scene yeah the reality is the whole storyline that we got murked out for that we played along with nowadays i would be reading the app mentions and be like where is the lawyers you know so we just got swooped up and getting paid so much that it's like ha ha ha but now I didn't know 20 years later, I have Netflix still trying to make Heidi look bad when the reality was Heidi was the best friend trying to save this girl from the real case would have been her and her revenge porn ex trying to slaying that TMZ and Heidi being the hero trying to get it.

And like, so it's just a little frustrating now in retrospect, but I'll still take the money again and do it again. I'm not complaining. There was no streaming. So it was like a little frustrating now in retrospect, but I'll still take the money again and do it again. I'm not complaining. There was no streaming, so it was like a one and done type thing. Yeah, I didn't think I'd be, that's how people would have to get a DVD to watch this, a blockbuster, not like Netflix just throwing it up, 44 million in a tweet.

You two, more than anyone other than maybe myself, seem to have what I like to think is just like a really honest and realistic perspective of like what you signed up for. And people, when they talk about reality TV and what they signed up for, I think there's like, you know, I guess there's two different things. Like, I don't know what you thought you signed up for, but like when you sign up for The Bachelor, for example, or like Love is Blind or all these other shows, like you can watch a show a million times

and you don't know exactly what you're signing up for. Yet you know that you're signing up for a TV show where you can't control your edit. You know what might happen by signing up for it. I don't mean everything that's going to happen on the show, but just that this could go any direction. But your willingness to be filmed, be paid, or in some cases, maybe you're not paid, but the opportunity to get a platform and then get paid, like the payoff. Everyone who's gone on this show

or these shows, reality TV, we're not doing it for the love or the friendships. We're all doing it for the payoff. And you guys have always been really honest about that and authentic about that. So much so like when the Bethany Frankel reality reckoning or the love is blind came out, you guys had some pretty funny TikToks

about your willingness to participate in any show that was willing to hire you. Where do you think that comes from? I mean, like, why do you have that approach? And I guess, what do you guys make of recently all this like lawsuits about all these alleged behaviors or these accusations from cast, you know, like this mistreatment. And you guys seem to have a very different approach or very take on your experience in terms of like, you

just said, Hey, I would have still done it for the money. You guys knew that you were going down a false narrative. You knew what you were doing. I must, you guys must have you were going down a false narrative you knew what you were doing i must you guys must have assumed that it would be met with some kind of criticism but like you just you were willing participants like so what do you guys make of the current state of reality tv and why don't you guys currently have a show is it by choice sorry that's another question that's the first one i was just like thinking about five million things. It's a lot of nice haircut. Your hair looks like you just got it. I use water on it.

I use some filter water on it. You look very handsome. Yesterday I had you look at me like, when's your haircut? I'm texting the guy like, bro. I need you now. I cut my hair this weekend. What do you think? It looks great. You guys are using the same products. Water. Water. Nice. weekend. What do you think? It looks great. You guys are using the same products.

Water. Water. Nice. Yeah. What was even the question? Okay, I'll start. For me, I grew up in a really small town. So I always dreamed of being famous and successful.

It was really something I wanted. And then it became a thing when I was a teenager. Like, oh, well, I don't think that's going to happen. But what's my next route? So I ended up going to fashion school and I met Lauren Conrad there. And I was working in restaurants and I was working really hard and I was paying for my own college and just really feeling overwhelmed with finances and being an adult all of a sudden thrown into the real world. And my parents weren't able to help me. Like they didn't have any money to help me. So I was just kind of on my own all of a sudden.

And then there was this rumor that this girl was going to be in our school and she was on like an MTV show. But Laguna Beach hadn't come out yet. And none of us had TVs and I definitely couldn't afford it. So right when Laguna Beach started airing, that's when I met Lauren. But she didn't say, hey, I'm on MTV. And then like a month later or so, she's like, oh, I'm going to VMAs. And I was like, how? That's so cool. I want to go. And she's like, oh, I'm on a show. And I was like, oh my gosh, you're that girl. Like, I thought you were going to be so stupid or whatever, but like she was great. And her and I became really good friends.

And then she moved back after the semester and kept filming for Laguna Beach. And then in the summer, she's like, why don't you move down with me? Because she saw like San Francisco is not working out for me. And then she asked me to be in her pilot. And I just, my mom kept being like, I don't think it's going to happen. I don't want you to get your hopes up. And I was praying so hard. And I was like, please, God, like, please give me this opportunity.

Like, this is just not the life I was hoping for. So it happened. And Lauren fought for me to be on it. And so from that moment on, I was just thinking it was such a blessing no matter what it was. So I wasn't worried about what am I looking like or whatever. I was like, I'm going on and I'm going to have fun. And this is a straight miracle. And I'm so excited. And it was before you could just get on a bunch of shows. This was lightning in a bottle, as they say. Yeah, that was so exciting. So for me, I never cared.

I remember season two, Lauren's like, are you okay with how they're portraying you? I was like, are you okay? Why are you asking me that? I don't care what they're showing. Like, I'm on TV, I have new clothes, and I have my dinner to pay for. I'm in every tabloid magazine.

Yeah, I was like, what? You're off, girl. I was not a reality TV fan back then at all. I knew exactly who you guys were. Like, you guys were so famous. Like you didn't have to be fans of the shows that you guys were on to know who you guys were. Like that's how it's such a different level of fame that it is now. Everything is so niche. Like even when The Bachelor has had a nice little renaissance with Joey or Love is Blind is a very popular show.

But like if you don't watch, you don't know. Well, that was all Spencer, really. It was the catalyst to that. So Spencer, and he can tell you, but came on from a producing background and came in with the fame connects and more of a plan. And we weren't in the tabloids until my first surgery cover. And then it all started unfolding from there and things started getting in. But really, that was Spencer. Yeah, I remember seeing that episode of you going home to your family after getting work done and like your mom crying. And it was like, I mean,

how do you feel watching that back? Do you feel like you regret showing that on national television? Or are you like, no, I'm happy. That's what I went through. I'm happy I did. That is one episode I shouldn't have filmed. They got her with the

private jet they got me a private jet I said no that was it they literally got her private jet to fly back and Heidi's like oh yeah she's like fine book it yeah so I had like that was really hard with my family and especially I'd like talk to my mom ahead of time and I was like I'm not okay right now I can barely talk I'm not your normal daughter so if you're gonna do anything that we're gonna regret don't film the scene she's like no I'm just excited to see you and I showed up there and ended up being a disaster and I didn't talk to her for two years after that so that was uh that was 20 grand to like murk Heidi out like straight h hush money. But she told me she wasn't going to do that. But then when you get 20,000 and you have bills to pay.

Yeah. And so I just trusted my mom as my mom. And that was like one of the biggest betrayals. That was a really hard moment. But, you know, she reached out and it just, I needed time and I just really prayed about it. And then I was like, you know, life is really short and it's not worth this. And I'm willing to forgive and move forward because I want my mom. So at that

point I was like, it's not worth not having my mom. And I want to just like move forward. So it took us years to like rebuild. And now we're really great and close and she's an awesome grandma. But that was definitely one of the hardest moments of my life. Obviously it must've been tough, but the way you tell your story, your family comes from comes from you know a family that didn't have money and then the big payoff oh the restaurant's going out and they watch you kind of see you you kind of like doing whatever so i can almost see why mom almost thought how bad could it be you know she's doing this but like i'm glad you guys were able to reconcile yeah yeah me too i think that you only get one mom and one parent you know life is really short well for me i get one mom i'm just saying those people have for me i have one mom and yeah

that relationship my mom was always like my closest person growing up. So I wasn't willing to sacrifice that any longer. So they, they offered her 20,000 to like, I don't know how much, but it's not like they offered her a paycheck to be like, could have been more. I was at least 20 K to snipe Heidi out. Yeah.

And they flew there like four days early. The producer is getting in her ear, you know, just like, yeah, I mean, he told us Sean Travis, the producer, literally we had ear you know just like yeah i mean he told us sean travis the producer literally we had a pitch meeting years later and he's like this we're at with the president of lifetime this is one of the producers of the hills and we're like going out for the new show after and he's like to be honest i can't believe they're sitting in a room with me

i mean for years i was trying to steal her soul we're looking at him like what? I can't believe we're in a room with you either. And I believe in that stuff so like for me that's a really serious thing to say. We knew it the Illuminati is right up in our shit. Well you didn't get it and nothing's worth my soul so go back to hell Satan. Are we

going to see you guys on season three of Traders because you guys are being pitched as a dream cast. Like every dream cast I've seen includes the two of you. Well, we'd have to be the Traders together. That would be the only way the producers should make us. Or the faithful. Not one.

We, God willing, have our own show coming out. Okay, because thank you. Because I honestly. That was another question. I was wondering. We're going to do it for free if we have to. You know, that's our pitch to the network. We'll do this for free.

You guys are very, you guys are very entertaining. You're, you're very good at making TV. You have the chops. You guys have the mental strength. It seems like, and that was my question.

Like, do you guys not have a TV right now? Are you not on TV by choice? Or, cause I'm honestly confused as someone. Me too. I'm so confused. I'm not even,

like, it just seems so obvious for all the garbage that is out there or all the people we're following. You guys are great. You're, you're fun to watch. You're excellent television. Our mutual friend is going out with it.

Elan. Oh yeah. As he should. As he should. Well, that makes sense. Yeah. It's going to be funny.

What is it going to be about? It's a comedy. It's a to be funny. What is the book going to be about? It's a comedy. It's a darkish comedy. Is it featuring your guys' lives? Yeah, it's just us. It's a docu-series, but people don't actually know who we are. You know, so we've never done the like, you know, people think, oh, I know how this is like.

No, you don't. Like behind us has always just been a hustle. It's been about money. You know, like we enjoy what we do. We know it's blessed to be in this industry we know it's a fun job we take it with a grain of salt we have each other at the end of the day so we know what's real and all that matters and then also money is great so it's that's what we want to make we have two kids yeah we're like legal reality drug dealers that's how i would you know it's a business mercenaries we gotta feed

the addict community yeah we're just doing our part but you know not necessarily good guys how do you guys maintain like your mental health it's hard like you know we do this show you know now he's been on the show recently ever since now i've been dating there's been a lot of me just like passing on my wisdom and being like you just you here's how you maintain your sanity don't look at this don't look at that but like every red carpet i've ever done there's always like would you ever do some other show and you know but when it comes to being featured as a main character about my life like it just seems like it also like and i feel like i have a lot of boundaries and i feel like I can navigate this world pretty well and keep my sanity.

It takes a lot out of you. It is hard to do what you two do so well. Like, how do you guys avoid all the fucking noise and all the criticisms and the Reddits and the blogs and the comments? Like, are you just good at just staying out of it? Like, or do you have fun with it? How do you guys do it? Because it's much easier said than done. I think we do it differently and together. So like Spencer reads the comments and he's immersed and he's on Reddit and I

have never been on Reddit. I don't read any of my comments are off, you know, so I don't, but he does it for us. He does like the research and more enjoys it. So we know each other's strengths and weaknesses. And then we've also done research and more enjoys it. So we know each other's strengths and weaknesses. And then we've also done it from the beginning together. So we really were a team in it. Yeah. Like I started comp people don't get how far back we go in like hate comment section.

We're created to troll Heidi and Spencer. That's an actual fact. Websites did not have comment section. Like I was there the first day us weekly went live with a comment section to just roast and destroy us i was there when tmz dropped the first comment section to destroy like they created comment sections just to like murk us out so you know i'm a veteran in trolling and i actually don't leave negative comments on anybody so you would think like the amount of hate i've

i've actually and that's always trips me out like i hate a lot of people but i don't hate them enough to go comment and that always blows my mind so i always have this layer of like you're so different than me that i don't care what you think about me you're forgetting to take it all the way back to hunks and trunks oh yeah i let's go back to high school. I've been trolled to the point where real story. My best friend, Alex, his mom took him to LA models to be a model. I was in the car.

We're always together. They were like, Oh, you want to do this with them? I was like, Oh, I'm down to model too. And I was the,

the love handles model. Yes. That's a real wow. So I was in hunks and trunks and this hater, Noah Sloan, in the Palisades, he was upset that somebody he liked, like me, whatever, he went and cut out all these issues and taped them around the whole Palisades on Noah's bagels. Right when Noah's bagels first popped and it was like the spot when coffee bean had just come out and the ice blended.

He put these all around the house i had physical like comment section in high school in my whole town like like a psychopath did you know it's like out of a scary movie so i started you know hate it at a young age where so now he's got a story like that yeah i uh started modeling at like 14 and um one of the most popular girl in school her boyfriend liked my facebook modeling picture and so she went on the school computer and wrote whore sucks for free hoe and like mean girls that shit printed out a bunch of them threw them around the school put it on twitter everywhere and everyone was like i'd walk down the hallway and they'd be like heard you suck for free you want'd walk down the hallway and they'd be like, heard you suck for free. You want to go

to the bathroom? And I'd be like, I'm 15. It was terrible. So, I'm the same way with that shit. I'm like, y'all can't hurt me. This is what I think. Like, there's no words. IG section? Yeah, you got me. It's hurtful.

It's sad. Not funny that shit experience. But now, every now and and then, Natalie will get a DM from a friend from back home. Oh, really? And then I'll always be like, girl, I just always knew you'd make it. And I was like, this fucking bitch would bully me so fucking hard. And the amount of high school bullies that have come out of the woodwork and tried to befriend Natalie is hilarious. Ha ha, losers. We know who you are.

Fuckers. Yeah. Seriously. Watch what you're mean to. So yeah. The comment section. Crazy. And the reality is now I block.

I, I go through a journey, but we had this big meeting with these operators, like the biggest guys in media. And we were asking them and they were like, just block, block anything. He's even neutral.

Cause I used to be like, ah, it's helping your engagement. Like a troll. It's helping the algorithm. They're like, just block, block anything that's even neutral. Because I used to be like, oh, it's helping your engagement. Like a troll. It's helping the algorithm. They're like, no, block, block, block. Even if it's a little bit negative block. So that was.

I usually don't block because it's like, I'd rather not even let them know. I even know they exist. Like it's the power of, you know. And they're like, ha ha. Like Spencer Pratt blocked me. Like I hurt his feelings so bad. I mean, I block a lot of people. I think that's the power of you know then they're like haha like spencer pratt blocked me like i hurt his feeling so bad i mean i block a lot of people i think that's the old school mentality i think now it's blocked because they live on your page and then they show their comment on your page yeah so

it's like they actually really get to exist in your world instead of zapping them out of your world not to mention like daily mail now we'll do a whole post of like five trolls in your comment section be like oh look what they're saying about yeah that's true it is tough because i always try to you know i always try to find a positive and a negative and it's just like there are a lot of um we're proud of the work we've done here at the vile files and the size of the show has has gotten and there's a there's a lot of podcasts out there you guys know. And there's a lot of, you know, Bachelor fan podcast. There's a lot of Bachelor podcasts.

And they all have one thing in common. It's like, they fucking hate me. Really? Oh, yeah. Well, most of them have all tried to come on the show. And you can always, the tide always turns when you don't have them on. Oh.

They go from fans to haters. Oh. All of these shows have one thing in common. when you don't have them on. They go from fans to haters. All of these shows have one thing in common. They all talk about this show. Your show. Oh my God. Their shows are based off of what we talk about. Like recap shows. The trickle-down theory.

Like your podcast recap. Like your Vile Files podcast. Not entirely, but I would say anywhere from 10% to 50% of their content is Vile Files podcast. Not entirely, but I would say, you know, anywhere from 10 to 50% of their content is, you know, Vile Files adjacent. So it's kind of like, you know.

Did you send them merch? They're about to be so mad that he just said that. They're so mad. This is a post right now. They're going to talk about this on their next episode. Oh my gosh.

Well, good. Give them the content. Keep pumping it. You can talk about us too in another 15 minutes. Wait, how are you doing? Mama?

So excited. Are you feeling good? Yeah, I'm doing really, really good. I have a little bit of like imposter syndrome of just like, I cannot believe that I have this baby that the hospital was just like, you have to leave now. The nurses don't come home with you. They do not. Did you struggle with any part of that?

Like when you first had your baby? I remember when we first drove home and put the baby in the car. I was like, ah! I was honking at everyone driving near the car. I was like, ah! I've never been 10 and 2. I was white knuckling the steering wheel. Get off the road!

That's the scariest drive in the world. I went really slow. Almost the point like maybe I'm going too slow. Like, I don't know. Like I'm an obstruction to myself. I do have a confession last night, babe, is that last night for the first time I got annoyed with my daughter. What happened? What did she do?

Well, she has been so good. I mean, really. She cried. Honestly, the kind of. She has been so good i mean really she cried honestly the kind of she has been so good like i mean really just generally easy pretty much pretty regular we're pretty consistent everyone tells us like have a nice schedule she's been adopting to our schedule it's been really good to the point where i've had to remind natalie it's just like at some point something's gonna happen like i was a fucking sick kid and i turned out to be a pretty healthy

adult who knows what's gonna happen and we're I was a fucking sick kid and I turned out to be a pretty healthy adult. Who knows what's going to happen? And we're like, we've been so lucky. And like last night, you know, I usually have the first shift in the middle of the night. And usually a little bottle feed, some leg exercises, some burps, maybe a poop if we're lucky. The whole process is 45 minutes to an hour. Last night, she was a little cranky, a little crabby. And I found myself like we're're at the 90 minute mark. And I said to River, I don't have to tell you, at least seven times. I don't have to tell you.

I don't like, and I was like, I got annoyed. I got annoyed with her. And I was like, I had a bit of a tone. I had a bit of tone. I felt so bad. I was like, who is this spoiled dad who has been so privileged with a well-behaved daughter? And I was like, oh, my God, you monster. But I was like kind of getting a little sassy with her. Wow. And I felt really bad. But yeah.

First of all, sleep deprivation. Yes. To get annoyed with your kids. Sleep deprivation is hard. Kudos to you for even for waking up. I mean, that's great. You're doing the bottle doing what's the alternative well i didn't have that yeah i was like um natalie where was natalie uh

this baby's crying come get it right yeah spencer woke up a few times with gunner when he was little but i really did you know the night stuff and because I was nursing too and breastfeeding and it was just tricky. But I would suggest for you guys, if you want just to check out, it's called taking care of babies. And it seems fun to just have your baby on your schedule and this and that, but I have seen the long-term results of that schedule and it can be so hard on a six-year-old still. So like, I would recommend just checking it out. What is it?

It's about sleep schedule and sleep hygiene. It's a website too. And she has courses and it's changed my life with the second one. We have no ad. This isn't like a financial.

Yeah, no, no, no. No, I'm not. You're paid for it. Unfortunately, if you want to. Taking care of babies, use code Heidi. There's no code. There's no code.

There's no code. They might not answer if you tell them I referred you. This is not promo. But yeah, that would help. But that is, that's normal. And it's late and how old is she now? A month. A month. Okay. So at four months, she'll sleep through the night if you get her on this schedule.

So it's just short, but those nights can turn into your life. Your life for a long time if you get her on this schedule. So it's just short, but those nights can turn into your life, your life for a long time. If you don't like get it under sleep hygiene quickly. Yeah. I got a little fast weather. I felt bad. Yeah. It's okay. Is she in a bassinet? Yeah. Okay. You also got to give yourself grace. It's new. It's stressful. It's exhausting. It's a lot. It's the most responsibility ever. So don't be so hard on yourself too, because it's like you're up at whatever time doing the Lord's work. So it's all good. What's your favorite thing about one another as parents?

How do you go first? I love. Spencer's like, fuck, fuck. What's the second test? I love the playfulness. This is called going deeper,

Spencer. We go deep. I love the attentiveness that Spencer gives. He's really fun and playful with the boys. They love wrestling with him and playing with him. And then he also is really good at helping them be them in a situation too. And like helping build their confidence. And he suggests things that I wouldn't. But I'm like, that was exactly right on.

And so the opposite of what I was thinking. So he really takes time to like slow down, help them out and think like long term with them. But the playfulness is so fun when they're all like jumping on him and hugging him. And he's such a sweet dad. What was the question? What's your favorite thing about Heidi as a mother?

What do you love the most about me? As a mom. As a mom. As a mother. Not as a lover Heidi as a mother as a mother not as a lover as a mother um uh you know I don't know there's so many things let me google it sorry sorry uh I mean her whole life is you know being a mom so I don't know it's a tricky question like her she's given up her existence to be a mom so i would say the most impressive part is that sacrifice of you know and i see now that we are involved in schools with other and not shading other moms are listening but

there's different styles of moms not saying that mom's right or that's right but heidi's one that's like my life is being a mom which is not you know sometimes we work on balance and we're trying to you know well let's have pop star heidi be part of your life too you know your kids never question their mom's um priorities oh my it's like which you know unfortunately other kids might yeah have to question their parents priorities so i think that that she I knew she'd be a great mom and, you know, she wanted to be a mom so bad, but I didn't think it was like, I don't know. How old are your kids?

I don't know the answer to your question. Six and one and a half. Six and one and a half. Yeah. And we bought a birth control test, or what's it called? A pregnancy test today. A pregnancy test, a birth control test.

Yeah, I'm not pregnant. She's not pregnant. I've taken three. To all the snap people messaging me. Are you open to more? No, no, no. No, we're good pregnant. She's not pregnant. I've taken three. To all the snap people messaging me. Are you open to more? No. No, no, no.

We're good. Two is great. Unless you want to have nannies and housekeepers which currently are budgets. When Riker was a baby, I was like, maybe I'd want one more

and I am not sure and then the past year, I've been like, no, this two is so perfect and for them, it's perfect too to have that dynamic. When you get three, one kid's left out. A lot of

the time, too. To anybody that has it, we're not shading you. No, but for me, like, Gunnar's very sensitive, too. Okay, Gunnar's very sensitive. And so I think his feelings would get hurt if Riker, like, wanted... You know, and some kids are tough and also more individuals, you know, so he's

just, for us and our family too is perfect. We always have to disclaim our parenting. This is just our preferences. We don't know what we're talking about. Whatever you are, we don't care what you do. I'm not telling you what's right or wrong. Was there a part of you that wanted to be a girl dad? Or were you like, no, I'm comfortable with boys.

I know boys i want boys you know i didn't really like being a dad i love being a dad but i was like it could have gone either way if heidi if we had ended up in costa rica which was the plan what you know living in the jungle i had that plan we took a jet there one way jet mtv one way we spent all our money we ran out four seasons room service in the jungles very quickly so it could have made memories though is that how gunner was created that was like 10 years later oh okay like seven years later that was so gunner's a london child no i'm cool on being a girl dad i i don't know woman in the house feminine energy there you know we're good we're tapped out i'm very feminine

purses everywhere it's your stuff that's everywhere no my stuff is in places. Your stuff is everywhere. You're messy, Spencer? No, we just don't have a huge house. If we had a mansion, she wouldn't notice. He cannot put something back. Like a bottle, a dish in the dishwasher. It's like a thing.

I don't even try. No. He doesn't try. I don't do it for content. Oh, sure. The moment I had any kind of money, I stopped putting things away. Well, if you have someone to do it for you, that fine but i'm i'm the one to do it for him that's by choice we had someone who did that okay and then i was like i would like to be alone in the house yes and i said fine but i am not changing this behavior. I have become accustomed to not holding.

Successful and I am not. This is like, money does not buy you happiness unless it comes to like, not have to worry about parking tickets or like no longer having to fold your laundry or like worrying about, you know, like I have some bad habits I will never overcome, you know, and I know what they are at this point in my life and having just a little bit of, you know, extra cash has allowed me not to have those shortcomings I have as a person get in the way of making my life worse, because that's what it used to be. Like when I couldn't afford it, like my thoughtlessness, my aloofness, my forgetfulness, my leaving shit open, like had a cost and it would make my day worse sometimes. And now it's like someone else can do that for me.

Well, we say we work really hard for nannies, you know, to be able to like afford someone to help with the kids sometimes or like, yeah, these things cost money. To be honest, I wouldn't have spent so many millions if I had known we'd have had kids just because I would have saved more housekeeper money. I would have. How much money do you think you've spent oh i know because the other day at um let me not the number but i the other day i went through storage and i found like we did at one time have like the top

business accountants that everything was detailed as we'd be in jail you know for sure off of like pay your taxes always pay taxes so they taxes we did have the big dog provident but uh so they have just file cabinets of the whole storage you know everything and i was just going through i was like i need to make a documentary of just going through these and showing people how much money we spent it's the most insane it looks like johnny depp like it's what are we talking no i mean millions who knows What are we talking about? No, I mean millions. Millions. Are we tens of millions? Yeah, like over $10 million. On clothes, on-

Food, wine, clothes, dog. Y'all are celebrities. You're like $2 million on a pop album. There wasn't a lot of like 401ks. There was no- There was no 401k. There was not a single investment. Retirement fund.

There's crystals. Crystals. Some of them went up in value. Tell me about crystals. Well, I mean, at that time we were buying everything. So it wasn't so strategic like, oh, I'm going to spend all this money on crystals. I was spending it on everything. Birkins, crystals, Birkins.

We used to have flowers get delivered like we were Kris Jenner. Like arrangements in the house that would die. You lived as if. Yeah. We were supposed to be Kim and Kanye. in the house that would die you know like you lived as if yeah yeah like we were fake until you make it we were supposed to be Kim and Kanye but things went sideways

your crystals was in an episode wasn't it that started I still think about some of those I gave away I'd like them back that one that Ocean Jasper

that I gave Christine Cavallari I would like that back do you think she still has it that was about $20,000 and I want it back she said she does in her Hollywood

pad. She has the Montana Boys. Actually, I hate it when people talk about my money as if you know. They know. But she seems to be doing fine. Listen, Uncommon James just opened up in Charleston.

I've been to her store in Chicago. It's thriving. I think she's been fine for a long time. I don't think this was ever not fine. Yeah. I think she was going to be fine no matter what. So she'll give it back. She'll give it back. Yeah,

we'll definitely get it back. You should ask. I'm going to, again. Sounds like you would get more meaning from it than she might. I literally remember every detail of that. Why are crystals so important? Well,

at the time there, I was, they're magical and, you know, it's connecting to other dimensions, but I've toned it down, you know. So because I realized you have to live here in the real world. You can't go magical. Otherwise, you end up in white walled rooms. So, but for real, we had some wild experiences around, you know, tapping into the multiverse. So, or our healer was spraying freaking drugs in our face,

which could have been happening. Cause I like, he would be like, dude, that's it. And I'm like, Oh my gosh, I'm in the pyramid. Like, you know, like, no, I'm like, what was in those essential oils? So that could have been happening also. But so, yeah, we just, we ended up with a lot of them. And then I kept wanting to buy them. And then Heidi was like, you got to start selling your crystals if you want to buy more.

And that's how we became. Do you guys have more purses or crystals at home? Crystals. We have thousands. Have we sold the Birkin or are we holding on to that? No. Birkins are in the vault at the bank. Lots of investment.

Save them for my son's guys. Was it you that told me this? You can't buy a Birkin? You can't buy it. You have to know someone or have a relationship with Hermes, right? We were very close with Hermes. Oh, yeah.

But if I wanted to buy an Alia Birkin, I couldn't even do that. You'd have to go in. You'd buy a black Marga Birkin, you know. You'd have to go in, have to spend an X amount of money to like get on their list probably. And then you have to wait until they get whatever color, whenever, if they let you. And then everybody, all their clients that they've like texted have had to have passed. But we could put you in touch with our guy probably if you really

wanted to buy one. I don't want one. Is this a thing? No, I don't want one. Okay. Are you just saying that? Well, if it truly is. It's an investment.

If it truly is an investment. They've only increased all my Birkins have increased $2,000 in price. Gotta keep the boxes. Did you not keep the boxes? Can you use it? Can you wear it?

Can you take it to a red carpet? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. If you want your arm to feel like. If they can appreciate in value, how much does a Birkin cost? Which one you want. they're all different prices I know very little

it's just like I got one yeah I mean cash or a bitcoin deal no they're great there's I mean some of them are are six figures

well now no I don't have any of those yeah we're not we don't have like the I think they start at 13 or 14 now 1000 it's just insane but it makes me nauseous Now, I don't have any of those. Yeah, we're not that great. We don't have like the snake skin. I think they start at $13,000 or $14,000 now. $1,000. It's just insane.

It makes me nauseous. Nick bought me a $8,000 Louis Vuitton bag for my push present. And I was like, this makes me nauseous. I was like, we got to return this. Does a baby go in here? Yeah. That's great. It was a test.

It was a test. And I was like, it was a test and I was like I was being frugal and I was like let's return this and get just like a little cosmetic case well it's tricky right

because oh you really did that was an experience though taking it back yeah that's a whole thing they were pissed that was

it's almost like a shame they pretty woman you so hard they do they try I don't give a fuck because I bought it in New York

I had I did a I had a give a fuck. Because I bought it in New York. I had a gig, a nice little paying gig. And then I was feeling generous. Here she is, nine months pregnant with my child. It's the least I could do. And so I bought this bag. And then Natalie, being who she is, the very frugal queen. Frugal, yes. We took it back. And we're in the Louis Vuitton store.

And I'm like, yeah, we just want to, you know, return this. And they were just like, well, you know, we have a whole baby section upstairs and we have this and we have that. But like, and then she ended up getting this like makeup kit for like, you know, it was very expensive because it was Louis Vuitton, but much. Louis Vuitton.

Would you have returned jewelry if it was like a a time but much Louise of a time would you have returned jewelry if it was like a Tiffany's ring or bracelet you know Nick hasn't yet dabbled into the jewelry um realm which I'm kind of waiting on did I probably we've learned with jewelry you have to get if it's an investment it has to be Cartier or Tiffany those brands like hold the value you can't just go they just like we did that wrong you can't go to like the top jewelry store and get all like ice out blah blah like it holds it's just that's true that's good to know but we're at Louis Vuitton and we returned it and you know how that you can the screen you can see you know it shows you your your total or what you're getting back.

Your balance or your return. It was like, we were going to get like, I don't know, $7,000 back. And I was like, so you're going to get, I was like, $7,000. He's like, yeah, I guess.

He pulls out a calculator. He like makes sure. He's like, are you sure you don't want to check all the baby section upstairs? I'm like, my baby does not need to leave the top. They tried to shame us. And since I have none, I had no problem section upstairs. I'm like, my baby does not need to leave the tub. They tried to shame us

and since I have none, I had no problem returning it. Yeah, good, good. Don't ever let those people make you feel any type of way. Anytime they shame us, we just go,

where's the champagne? Yeah, literally. That's the trick. Right when they cop out of two, they go, are you going to bring out the champagne? Which they've really

tightened up on. Yeah, they've done. We used to go to Gucci and they'd see us walk in the door, they'd pop the champagne, you know, and it's a good, you should always have people drink in stores if they're not sober because it makes people short more. If you guys like a drink, I feel rude not having one.

No, they offer it. You know what? We're trying to chill on drinking before 2 o'clock. Okay, that makes sense. But only if it was biodynamic champagne, I would totally be it. Is it Chloe the Rosé? Heidi, you have been posting the going out and calling paparazzi on yourself and filming what that has been like. What made you want to open up that door to what the inside of fame?

Show people what that's like we've always been really transparent about calling paparazzi and being in on it setups i mean that's really what we're known for so i just am a very transparent person i always have been that's one of the things like you're saying being authentic it's like well here's just the truth and whatever it is so i really was doing that and i was, these are great TikToks. And the funny one was when the paparazzi actually didn't show up and they're like, oh, you waited too long.

And then he left and I'm calling the agent. I'm like, where is this paparazzi? He's like, oh, you took too long. I'm like, took too long. Now like 15 minutes is too long to come out. These guys are like.

They're like an Uber driver. You know what I'm saying? You gotta place the fucking go. You know, one star. Yeah, made it for a good TikTok. Now there's only like four like professional paps in LA. There used to be 4,000.

There's only four. Like four like with the agency. So we work with Mega. So they only have like four like salaried, you know, photographers. They wouldn't even, they would call themselves celebrity photographers. Celebrity photographers. And that's, and the difference between them and just like someone showing up with a camera like a straight murderer who knows you know there's no like just because somebody has a camera they're like hey

look over here i wouldn't necessarily smile for that so early 2000s there were a lot of people who could just have a camera you know like a big camera and then sell it. So there was this whole fight for getting the photos. It was the heyday of fame. And so if they got these photos, everyone could sell it. But then when magazines stopped selling and Instagram started popping and everyone started posting things, they took away all these jobs from people who were trying to hustle on the streets. And, you know, people didn't say whatever they want with paparazzi, but a lot of them are family men and they're people. And it's like, just because this person's on the street taking your photo, you don't know them and what they're going through and what they're hustling for. So whenever there was this negative feeling about paparazzi, it's like,

yeah, maybe some of them overstepped the boundaries, but a lot of them are really hardworking men and women out here who are trying to make a living. So those jobs have gone. And now there's only a few people who do, most of them team up with celebrities and are very well-known and great photographers. A lot of them are fashion photographers. So they're not the ones hanging outside of craze? No, no, no.

We're talking, we never went on one vacation without bringing a paparazzi with us. Like travel, like Cabo and wherever. They'd meet us. you guys are next level i mean we were making for real because i just was looking through this the other day millions of dollars selling photos of ourselves so that's why we were like look how stupid they are like no look how stupid you were well you know like and that that was the other hardest thing that it was the biggest like oh my god we always expected to be able to do that because we did it so consistently and getting those checks for months and then that

game was gone right oh my god and instagram it was overnight it was pretty quick once everyone reese witherspoons posting this selfie on instagram we're like oh my gosh and then magazines are printing those photos those aren't even high quality photos so it used to be such a standard to get in the magazines you'd have to have a certain color that popped on stripes like it was no joke it was a whole thing it had to be within something relevant or a holiday and everything was strategic all the celebrities whether they would say it or not were also trying to get their movies in there whatever premieres so it was really an a-list accolade and if you were in any of those pages elevated you so so much you never really had any bad experience i mean y'all were in

the early 2000 heyday of paparazzi so like you didn't have any negative i mean this is where i started i actually my first thing uh was the shout out the star magazine i was in the center of the yucco meter and i cut it out i put it on the wall the yucco meter was in the center of the yucco meter and i cut it out i put it on the wall the yucco meter so if you start at the yucco meter was there anyone else with you on the yucco i mean irrelevant to me i was in the center of the yucco meter so it's like that he was excited you know i got cut out and put on the wall as you should once you anything past the yucco meter it you're winning. It's all up from there. We had so much fun.

Like people don't get, we were living like you can't even comprehend. And we had each other. So it was just so fun to like fly places and do things. And, you know, we would be doing all that anyways. It is fascinating talking to you guys about this stuff because you have incredible perspective about your experience you guys wouldn't be here doing what you're doing all the crazy things you've done without incredible perspective or seeing the big picture you know the yucca meter just to be able to look at it that like a lot of people just don't have especially i think after having such a bad portrayal on TV. And, like, y'all still just being like, it's fine.

The thing about it, there's only, like, three experiences in person. We were the most hated people on TV or whatever. When you see people in public, everyone wanted a photo. Oh, my God, I love it. Like, once it's all on the websites or in the books, but, like, only one person maybe flicked me off out the window yeah you know it wasn't in la when you go to other states oh it's not like that like we go to vegas and we were like michael jackson level favorites like who cares what is my first season of bachelor i was very hated online and i'd walk into a bar in chicago and that's how i would i

would tell people it's like being michael jackson I would, I could feel the bar turn and look at me and the whole, which is a crazy thing. Right. And yeah. And everyone's nice, you know, everyone wants to take a picture like you're, you're the person, which is a lot like, and so I was like, yeah, I don't really care. Like that was, it's a, it really is wild. The only thing i wish we didn't waste money on but you never know in retrospect was the amount of money we were actually paying in security and we should have built the network now looking back like that should have been in our contract like you're making us this hated where it feels like we need security that we're paying so like when i was looking through those like dang like that was a lot how much did you spend on security god like i mean

i don't even ballpark wow hundreds of thousands but also if we didn't have our own security at the end of the hills i had to have them with me and then something happened with a producer and they all witness it so it became a legal thing so thankfully we did have our own security or else we wouldn't have got paid for that last yeah so there's that's a balance but we should have that's of all the things i'm like i should have security no what yes i am security i protect her she protects me but yeah we're very safe we out here in these streets yeah you don't want to mess we're good yeah dairy a double dog area um what made y'all want to i guess start telling the truth about the hills and how you know like at what point did you feel comfortable and i feel

like a lot of people are scared on reality shows to be like no they made me do that or they like when did you feel like once we figured out the ndas weren't real and it's like you're gonna go sue me tell the truth you're gonna sue me for five million dollars to tell the truth like they scare like initially they were scary like oh my god you you're talking about that there was also no platforms i would have been on ig live tiktok live we didn't have any way to even talk once we heard from our big lawyer at a huge firm that there's no such thing really as an ndDA and reality TV because you have to be able to tell your truth publicly so when it becomes the truth and what really happens in your life if it's really your life no one can legally tell you not to do something like your experience however

he worded it yeah so once we heard that yeah and he knew what he was there have been people who have lost i know another bachelor sued someone and won i don't know i wasn't part of the case i mean maybe they knew we were like we would have been excited to go to court you know like i was like you know like yeah i wonder it's also a fine line for the network. Right. Well, you also don't want to be known as something like once you start suing your talent, right. Who wants to go? Yeah. And we also don't want to be, and we've never tried to be network bashers either.

Like we're always like we were not, you know, like we also take accountability within there and we're not just like blaming producers and saying like this happened, they ruined our lives. It's like, well, that's not what we're not just like blaming producers and saying like this happened they ruin our lives it's like well that's not what we're saying i've never got that sense from you guys and i really respect how you guys approach it because that's the approach i have tried to take i feel like no one on in bachelor world has more to complain about than i do right i'm sure that's relative other people might disagree but corinne we just had her. She'd probably say, she does. Yeah, well, I'm familiar with Corinne. I don't even know Baxter, but we just sat on the podcast. She's on a season.

But yeah, there have been people like Corinne and myself who have taken it on the chin. But even to that end, just like, yeah, every once in a while, I'll share a truth, but it's always like, I own my part. And I always feel like you guys would set the record straight here, but it was never even to the point where you guys are like, yeah, we knew, you know, we accepted it, you know, we're nowadays. And I would love to get, you know, a transition to what you guys think about the state of reality TV now in Bravo world and

Scandaval nowadays, it's just like, there's no no accountability it's just like people sign up for these shows and act like they've been kidnapped and all these crazy accusations like the you know where they just like it's like they expected to be treated like stars and if they it just it reeks of like entitlement and no accountability where it's just like, you know, they, they chose to drink and then somehow it's the networks who made them do it. And it's like, I've never been on a reality TV show where someone forced me to drink alcohol. It was available. It was offered. Uh, they didn't parent me, you know, they weren't, you know, they didn't tell me I shouldn't drink or, you know, they, they were, they created an atmosphere. And I'm

curious, like, how do you guys, what do you guys make of the Bethany reality TV reckoning? Yeah. Let's start there. It's hard because I feel like we always came at it as professionals. So I just look at these people as amateurs. There's it's like professional sports. This is the JV you're watching versus people that are professionals. So if you want to be a professional entertainer, which is what we were trying to do, and be millionaires, you operate a different way than wah, wah, wah, crybaby,

like I don't know what you thought type people. So I barely watch reality. I like Southern Charm because they're all just having a good time and I never hear them complaining about anything. Are you Team Olivia or Team Taylor? You know, I don't actually take tea i just like what are they drinking i'm not that uh in depth on it you know and they're all hooking up it seems fun i'm team madison so yeah i just i think a lot of you have, you know, they shouldn't be on reality.

Like we know how special it is to be filmed and not filming yourself. Like, so once you get, that's why when the Hills reboot came back, we were like, oh my God, this is the best thing ever. And yelling at all the cast. It was like just phoning it in and doing that poor me, wah, wah, wah, complaining. Like this, we should be filmed, entit image craft bs like you guys we're gonna get canceled yeah i think that's the difference what spencer always references to that when we were on the hills we were treated differently than the rest of the cast so they were all getting this red carpet layout the producers love us and the producers just were like oh we're filming with you you know like that type energy. And we're like, whatever, you're here. Ha ha ha. Here's my paycheck. I don't care what you say,

what you do. Like we're working. So yeah, for us, we treated it like a job, not this like glamorous lifestyle. So it is true. When you're going on a show, we've done Big Brother, we've done Marriage Bootcamp, we've done a bunch of shows. You go in and you work, you do the work. Anything that's a perk is nice. ask for as much as you can if you don't get it whatever i always got the most alcohol so i'm like free alcohol okay great we literally mill to the point like when we go on a hills trip we get cut off we'd be like what's our budget in the lobby store and i'll be getting all the shampoos that i wouldn't even need you know and like the lotions i'll never forget in utah i just got like a bag of like lotions

they're like yeah you can buy anything in the like gift shop you know so like when you come at this it's like silly too and appreciative right and if they said no i'll be like whatever it's like a game how can we get the most out of i mean at the premiere parties everyone would be at these lavish parties and they put heidi and i in our own room like in the closet bring us like like a little tray of food and be like, you'll be out for a photo. Or they put us with all the extras, like all the people there. So we'd be with like all these strangers in there and they're all in this VIP room. And we'd be like, whatever, we're here.

And none of them wanted us here. So it's always been a game and like an appreciation of being where you are and not losing track of reality. It's like I'm not working night and day doing whatever you know it's like i just came from right it's all good so much respect for like a real job like that's why people are always like why do you still want to be fans like uh because they pay you to literally do nothing it's the great you know hello play games this is not real life pretend to be a trader no but that is true it's it's very easy to lose touch with reality i mean i remember having having conversations with friends i've been you know like you get a certain social media campaign they offer you a certain amount of money which is often great and then you're like i can't believe

i have to film this and blah blah blah and you're like wait time out they're paying you fucking five figures or six figures and like just shut the fuck up and do this and stop acting like and i said this to myself sometimes but it's it's so easy to lose fucking perspective or touch with reality in this fucking space that we've operated because it is so like dripping with privilege and like delusion and it's it is not reality it is not real work and yeah it's it's incredible those ads can be stressful yeah they have a lot of requirements lately would you trade it for your former job at like your grocery store or they should come with an assistant to figure out

how to get it up there well they're paying you can hire them it can't be hard no don't get me wrong they're annoying and frustrating i've lost all touch of reality while doing it but i have to remind myself totally what the alternative one time i remember like they wanted me to like obviously just do something that was gonna look so bad on the hills and i was and i had a moment where i called my dad and i was like they want me to do like this like just want to make sure you know just checking in with the real world here and my dad was a dentist he's like i go to work on saturday for 80 teeth cleaning he's like how much they pay i'm like i think like it's like 125 000 for this episode's like, I just didn't hear anything on the line. You know?

Okay, got it. So those are those moments. If I ever had it, I would just call somebody who goes to work every morning at 7 to 7 and goes in people's mouths. I once did a campaign for Preparation H. And to even do that, they were very generous. And then I was just like busy. I had a busy day and my, one of my agents was who was running the campaign was asking me like getting approvals for certain things they want to. And I foolishly for that particular campaign was like,

honestly, man, like whatever they, I don't care. Just whatever day of where I'm supposed to post, everything's been approved. This is a big corporate. So there's, it's, it's not like some like small mom and pop who decided to give you like a lot of money and they're like, cool to work with. This is like everything that is being put online has gone through several lawyers and I'm about to post. And I had to post on my Instagram story, the question and a poll, what your butt care routine is. And I remember just losing my fucking shit. Be like, I have to post and ask my audience what their

butt care routine is. And they're like, yeah, well, you just, you said anything, do whatever. I've never said that again. Yeah. I'm over here. I'm over like, hey. Oh. Oh, well well I would

assume that probably be the the question that connects with that brand yeah it does make sense at the end of

the day oh my gosh it's just like I don't I don't care and why am I asking them oh my gosh

I'm available for that ad I cost a lot less than him you'll ask I'll do that poll on tiktok also i will battle withholding it um so what advice if any do you have for rachel slash raquel levis in general oh she already burned the house down i i was trying to connect to her to like save

her yeah i was like she had the chance because i you know we're best friends he wouldn't say that back but alex baskin the producer of vanderbump is my best friend he doesn't text me back but or pick up the phone but um we're besties and i was trying to tell him like get me in touch with her but when this was all going down because i knew there was two ways it's gonna go you can become a millionaire tv star or a podcaster with no millions and um and she went the wrong door because it was such a no-brainer you go on the show you bring in a couple ring like i'll go cast my new friends because they're gonna they're they need you to film with anybody yeah so it doesn't matter that you're out to click you could open your like whatever you want they were gonna and they love a

redemption story even if they don't put your you're gonna look way better with that lighting and the beautiful cameras then you're gonna look on your iphone with bethany um so yeah it's so sad and now she's suing ariana good luck with that. That's a good look to sue the girl that you cheated on. Yeah. Cause her emotional distress and pain and then sue her for it. Yeah. That was, it seems like a bad move. And if you're going to do that, at least do that on the show.

That would have been a great storyline. I would have backed that if you're filming that on Vanderpump, like, oh, I'm suing them. And you're telling Sheena that on the show. Now we got some scenes. Now it seems like she's taking all the worst advice from all the wrong people. It's actually, that's tragic. Who would have thought she just needed Nick Vowell and Spencer Pratt's advice to make her life. You guys should have your own show.

Should we put together a consulting show? Honestly. We should be. The problem is people don't listen. That is true. I've had a lot of conversations with a lot of bachelor alumni

and it's like, hey, Nick, you're doing really well, man. I'd love some of your advice. I'll spend 90 minutes on the phone with them. They don't take any of my advice. Well, see,

if it was on camera, they probably would. You're missing the piece there. That is true. But then they don't, there's no follow through. You have a follow up episode. You have a TV crisis hotline.

You have them coming after. What I can't believe is that Tom hasn't gone to Sweden and got the new Max Martin and got a hit song. He had that moment right after when, as he said, he was as big as that situation. During that time, if he'd come with one of those Max Martin hits, he should have spent all his money to have the like, like, I'm the worst. That's just the hook.

And just with a smash beat and had a one-hit wonder, I'm just like, bro, how are you going to just write your own music still? We tried to write a Tom Sandoval song from our episode. You probably didn't hear it i actually uh justin uh created it oh well it's with someone else but yeah uh i'm sure it's you want to hear it a little bit i have nowhere to go i'm stuck on this couch here for a long i don't have any you don't want to hear it no No, I do. I'm just really proud of Justin. It was a really good beat. I said Max Martin, but Justin. Justin, Max Martin.

I'm the runner up. Yeah. This is real phone number. This is just clips from the episode. Tom, we're live right now. We're live. Oh, shit. I can say whatever the fuck I want.

Oh, God. What do you want me to say, Nick? What have I learned? What have I learned? What? To not ever, like, cheat that way. Like, great. What do you mean cheat that way?

Do you want to fucking rape me over the coals? Like what have I learned? What have I learned? Thank you. I get it. This has been something. Yes.

Thank you. He could have. He got notes. I mean, listen, we weren't trying to be an overnight sensation. Yeah, we weren't trying to be an overnight sensation.

No, it's good. I'm thinking Kiss FM. He needed a Kiss FM song. Ryan Seacrest, Kiss FM. Where Ryan breaks it. He could have done that. That was my idea for him. The other girl, woman, she did great.

She had the glad trash bags. She had Dancing with the Stars. Chicago. Glamour cover. She printed out. She has a Vial F.W. Files podcast. Nailed it. Right, V.O.W.?

V.O.W. V.O.W. Nick V. Nick V. But they're winning. I'm not going to sit here and try to talk on Vanderbilt. They're all, anybody still on that show, congratulations. Yeah.

But Rachel opted out, unfortunately. And she's not coming back, you know, because I keep on being like, can't you get her? I mean, she also should have definitely popped on Special Forces with you, you know. I was told that they tried to get them both, Rachel and Tom together, and she declined that. That's what I mean. Like, these are those things, like,

you're already so deep in the hole. Like, what are you going to do? Worst case, you dig a little bit deeper or maybe you dig a little bit deeper or maybe you dig a little bit up. You know, you're already... But instead,

she went Bethany and then iHeartRadio. Yeah. She got advice from Bethany. And if you just try to disappear, you're only doing yourself a disservice because Bravo's

all about redemption. That whole cast has done things like that. They're all redeemed. So she's just robbing herself of the opportunity to have a turnaround and to say her side. I'm not going to shame someone who wants to disappear but if you want to disappear disappear

well that's what i mean this is not disappearing you want to disappear out of that reputation but you still want the money you want the fame she wants to walk red carpet so it's like you can't disappear if you want to appear like you're saying if you want that life stuff you want that money you just totally rob yourself and at the end of the day she did what they all have done she's cheated they're all cheaters it's a cast of cheaters the show could be called bander cheaters like you know like it's so it's it's easy to have katie maloney i don't oh i mean not to my knowledge well there's more seasons to come i feel like it always comes out later see about her next episode.

But yeah, so it's like... Do you think they would bring her back? No, they're... I mean, according to my best friend. In the text. I think once you go legal with a network, you're done. Yeah, once you...

You're blacklisted. Once you hang with Bethany. Even though I have nothing against Bethany, she's always in my comment section with laugh emojis. I've always enjoyed her. I just like, I don't get what she's i mean she just she's become kind of obnoxious with her lack of like it's so transparent what she's doing and what it's just like i don't know i just everything she's doing i i used to think she made a lot of sense and i kind of respected her you

know her career her craft the same way i look at you guys and go they fucking they get it these are smart shifty professionals and like i don't get beth i mean yeah we're talking about her but it's like the what's the end game here for her and it's just i don't know it just seems like a weird move on her part yeah one thing we've never done is beef with networks we're best friends with the president of MTV. We were drinking with him. We were going out like. One time we did and it wasn't our fault. Which one?

Oh, Paul Talegni? Yeah, with NBC. But it wasn't our fault because we were put in a bad position. We were set up. We were set up. So that was tricky. And sometimes you do win lawsuits. Okay. Big time.

Is there an NDA there? I mean. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I'd have to ask a lawyer. But let's just say, sometimes they're not so crazy. But also, we weren't doing it for attention. It was just like a real, like, something needs to happen.

So, long story short, but it'll be long because I tell everything long. We were, this is when the Hills was popping the most. Ben Silverman's the president at NBC. He invites us to dinner. We're like, oh, the president at NBCman's the president m nbc he invites us to dinner we're like oh the president nbc we just think he wants to hang out with us because we met him because we're so cool yeah like we're like oh dang we're going to georgio's nick cannon's there wilding out hadn't even started so we were more popping the nick cannon at the time and uh look how things work out and so he's like we have a show we want you guys and we're like we're already

on a show and he's like it's this show from england we want you guys to do. We're like, we're already on a show, and he's like, it's this show from England. We're going to bring it here, and we're like, oh, no, we're not going to the jungle, and he's like, no, you just go for like an hour. You'll be in a nice hotel, and we're like, oh, nice hotel, jungle, and just as dumb as we could be. He's like, you don't really sleep there.

That's just all for show. You know shows. You're on the hills. It's all fake. It's just for the, yeah, so we really thought that's what it was we're like oh no we have a carved out in right now yeah we were busy we're in the middle of like a lot of things that we're doing my rap song no um so we get to the jungle and he told us we could quit the second

we get there and we're like i'm a celebrity get me out of here and just crickets there's no producers really in the jungle and we keep on quitting and nobody's coming so now we're like, I'm a celebrity. Get me out of here. And just crickets. There's no producers really in the jungle. And we keep on quitting and nobody's coming. So now we're freaking out like three days of trying to quit. What? Yeah. We're really in the jungle. And we did not agree to this.

Like they're killing snakes in the night coming in, having to chop them up special forces. And you don't see these people. And it was. It was a real jungle. And everybody else looks fine because they went in there like with the mindset oh we're gonna do this for three weeks we went in there for 30 like we'll be the first ones out 30 minutes like and we're going on the four seasons we got all picked out at papagayo and so that went sideways fast then they're drugging us

because they're like go to the nurse's tent. And they're just handing us. And we accepted. Yeah. No, I mean, you're going to hand me a Zanny in the jungle. We're going to take it. There's no other food. I'm already on edge. So you can't not eat and then get like the nurse's medicine. So then people are like, oh, you guys lost it in there.

It's like, yeah, we did. So then, you know, maybe. I medically had to leave because I was throwing up and really sick. And so they finally, we got out to it. This is how crazy Hollywood is. They're like, oh, we only have 30 grand for you guys to go in. And we're like, oh, for each, for 30 minutes. For charity. You know, for charity.

It was basically free. Once it's popping and it's all over, like Heidi and Spencer are insane in the jungle. And it's like doing ratings. They come back and they're like, Spencer, we'll give you 875,000 to go back in. And Heidi's like in a hospital bed. Like thinking I'm going to die. You know, like that's that moment that's like, that we're really a couple.

Because if we weren't, I'd be like, good luck, honey. Hope you don't die in this like in hospital. I'm going to go get 875. But it's just the lesson is when they're like, oh, it's favored nations. Everyone gets paid the same. At any time, they can just hand you almost a million dollars, you know, which I learned.

So now when they're like, everyone gets the same fee for this. I'm like, no, it's not necessarily true. But so then the president pushed me in the jungle. I can say my truth. He assaulted me. He was so mad. Because he like had to fly all the way uh president of programming not ben sermon cheeky bastard and check me i was like oh payday

so you can't but it was a bummer because we were on good terms yeah we were tight and it's like yeah you guys played us but they thought that we were such professionals. Like, this is the biggest show. It's like, we still don't want to be living in the jungle. And Heidi was sick. You had your limits. If she didn't have the ulcer, we probably could have stuck it out. So that was the one time we, you know, we rake, rakelled it for a minute.

Rakelled it for a minute. These are some great stories, guys. Speaking of giving advice, because I know I asked for yours for Rico.quel did for a minute. These are some great stories, guys. Speaking of giving advice, because I know I asked for yours for Raquel, we have a caller here texting office hours. They would love to hear some perspective from Spencer and Heidi.

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What behavior? He's reached out to me probably seven times in the past year, even though I blocked him on everything I thought I could. And then he'll find new ways to contact me. He's gotten a new phone number to contact me. And I've even threatened to tell his wife multiple times. But she was nine months pregnant the last time. So I just felt like that wasn't a good situation to put her in.

Yeah. That's fair. I would probably contact the police before his wife. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah.

What does he say? Like what is clearly don't seem interested in dating him or being with him. You don't. I've never given into it, which makes it even weirder, but he will like the first couple of times he would just text me and then delete it.

But I'd skip the, like I would get the notification and then you just say accident, but it probably happened. I have no idea what it said. So then I was just getting annoyed because it was, that probably went on for the first three or four times and then finally I was up while he like texted me one time and he asked if I had a boyfriend and I just replied back why does that even matter you have a wife and he said I just

can't stop thinking about our relationship and I responded it was three months it wasn't even a year it was a summer and the last time he had like a fate a different number that i didn't recognize and he called me and was like i had been dreaming about you i still miss us you have no idea how i feel about you and i don't think i said a single nice thing i just went completely off on him defended his wife and i said you're gonna go into bed with your wife right after this phone call and he's like you don't understand it's not like that what is it like that's what i said and then he got really mad and then started starting off and i just hung up because this is bizarre alarming behavior i would change my number have you changed your number? I love my number. I've said this before.

I do not understand. No one remembers anyone's number prior to 2000. So while you know your number, no one knows your number. They just have it programmed. We now live like it's so easy to change it. I think everyone should change a number every six to 12 months. And you really kind of reset who your people are,

kind of makes you take an inventory of who has access to you. You can like all those weird ex-boyfriends or girlfriends, all those fucking solicitation people. Like you will remember who you need to be like, new number, here you go, save this. But no one knows your number. No one knows your number by heart. No one.

Except for him. That would probably be better. He does. I think Spencer's right on too with the police. Like maybe that would scare me. I think that's not a normal ex. I think that is really scary behavior. I'd also be a little nervous with how his wife would react

and like putting yourself in the middle of their relationship, which you don't really want to get into. It's like, yeah, she should know. And it's not fair. She doesn't know, but that is her life too. And you're not engaging. And if it's not you, maybe it will be somebody else,

but you got to just worry about yourself and like your safety and you, because if he is crazy, you'll unleash a whole nother level that you don't want to get into. I think we can say he's great. Yeah. I think so. Usually in these type of instances i always am curious of like you know when they're like i'm thinking about telling their

wife or whatever my question is always like what's the reaction you hope to get what's your motivation for doing it most people it's like revenge it's like they want to get back you don't seem like you're not here for revenge you're you have no spite everything heidi said is true but i will say at least like you knowing that like this isn't because you feel jaded by him or whatever like you just she needs to know you're like you're not giving that energy but heidi's right you don't know who you're working with or what you're working against. And she probably, she won't thank you. Usually is the case. She won't see you as some hero. She will, and he's going to lie about you in the relationship, in the context of that relationship. And he'll have the advantage that you won't in terms of

he's, she's going to want to trust him versus she has no reason to want to trust you so if you haven't changed your number that is step one that is the easiest thing you can especially if you've blocked him and he's getting a new number to contact you you could even um you can set your phone where uh you can't get numbers that you don't have in your phone so if you want to keep your number, you block him. And then I don't know if it's at least with AT&T call protect. Okay. Hashtag.

Hashtag you, Spencer. Yeah, AT&T. I know you can filter out where you can't, nobody can just call your number if it's, or it gets filtered into like the trash. That's such a tricky situation to be put in. I'm sorry. That sucks.

Yeah. All for a terrible summer. Yeah. Was it even like a good three months or was it like. No, I was completely. I was not. The feelings were completely one-sided. And the minute he went to college, I ended it.

Oh, finally. Like I was not a good girlfriend. I can tell. There's nothing you should miss about me. I was awful. You should be like I cheated on you.'s what he misses yeah well do the easy things first and the and i know you love your number but like it's super easy to change your number it's and i promise you no one has it memorized but him you know and you yeah like they just have it stored in their phone i barely even know my number by heart. And I bet you could get a new, maybe you got a new provider.

You could get a new deal right now. You could get one with like angel numbers. Like a free phone. Yeah, a phone with it. You could have a fresh phone too. Yeah. What's your number? No, I'm kidding.

Yeah. Why do you love it so much? Yeah. What is it? Well, I stupidly got my area code tattooed. So like, I don't want to lose the area code. I got the area code in which I was born tattooed to my body. That's fine.

It doesn't have to be your number. Yeah, you're just repping your hometown. Yeah, you're just repping your hometown. I changed my number after I got, yeah. So that's still not an excuse. You can put your new area code below it. You can put an new Erica below it. You can put an X across. Plus.

No, but like all jokes aside, this guy is weird. And like he is not listening to some very simple requests. And his behavior is very, there's no one more dangerous than someone who's unpredictable. Yeah. Because what he's doing makes no sense. It's based off of nothing. A wife and a baby. Yeah.

But that's. Yeah. Yeah. But he's unpredictable. Like it's based off of nothing. It's delusion. A wife and a baby. Yeah, but that's, yeah. Yeah, red flags. But he's unpredictable. Like, there's no, you can't make heads or tails of his behavior. It's like, it's based off of pure delusion. And that's really scary. Because usually you can kind of, even the bad people, you can predict certain behaviors based off of like, okay, they've done this, they're going to do this next.

And like, that's pretty typical. But this guy, like this guy like who fucking knows have you moved or you live in the same place um so i live in a completely different state but i came down one weekend and he apparently saw me which kind of freaked me out because i had no idea that he saw me it's a small town that was that in one of the messages he sent you or did you find out from like a third party that he saw you when he called me told me he saw me i honestly think it's worth maybe talking to a lawyer or some sort of law enforcement person and understand your rights when it comes to some type of harassment or restraining order uh it's worth looking into yeah i didn't know if that was like dramatic and so then i was my friends like just send it in protect yourself to the fullest extent

do not yeah hopefully it is dramatic but like the point is you don't really know with this person yeah yeah it sounds scary it doesn't normal. It sounds like you need to protect yourself. I'd stay as far away from the marriage, from everyone. You need to just watch your own back. I'd also let people know around you in case he does try to stalk you or find you, let your parents know. Like this is definitely a thing you would like Nick saying rather overreact than under because you just don't want to have something really go sideways are you in a ccw state i'll probably get a ccw i do i have like a one that shoots out rubber bullets of tear gas but what's the ccw state sealed carry weapon oh yeah maybe yeah maybe arm yourself just get a

little legal revolver you have an alarm system at your house? Do the simple things first. And I'm pretty sure the cops would tell you to change your number. Yeah, I think Nick's right. So just, yeah, one step at a time. But definitely watch out for yourself. I wouldn't be concerned about anything but yourself at this point. But yeah, reaching out to her, I don't think, is going to

help your cause much. Maybe he wants you to reach out to her. It could be dating or something weird. You're just, you're involving yourself in his life and that gives him more ammunition

and more reasons to reach out. Then you can become the villain. Right. You know, that's messy. But everything else,

I don't think you can overreact when it comes to your safety. Mm-hmm. All right? Good luck. Yep. Stay safe. Thanks.? Good luck. Yeah. Stay safe.

Thanks. God bless you. Let us know what you end up doing. Is that door locked behind you? Yeah. I'm looking to change my number right after this. If you're still here in a few months, let us know how it goes.

Check in. Just kidding. But no, seriously, take care of yourself. And yeah, you're not overreacting by, you know, this is fucking weird. It's cryptic. It's weird. And yeah, there's a 90% chance he's just that weird.

But like, I don't know. Do you want to take a 5% chance that he is dangerous? I wouldn't. Yeah. I think he's crazy. All right. Well, good luck. Protect yourself.

Thanks. Look into, you know know talk to some lawyers at least maybe start there you know maybe even if you have a friend does some legal work get some legal advice and then if they tell you to talk to because like the cops it might be tricky because difference i don't know but like it get some professional advice is what i'm advising you yeah spooky we'll do. Yeah. Good luck. Keep us posted. Bye.

Thank you. All right, bye-bye. Bye. Really hope this doesn't turn into one of those crime TikToks that we're involved in. I'm like, oh God,

this is going to be, we didn't give her the right advice. I feel like we gave her some good advice. You were on it from the beginning. Call the police.

It's like, yes. That's murder. That's scary. The headline is, so I had a summer with a serial killer and he's still hunting me. Called into Nick Biles podcast and Spencer and Heidi gave me advice. Oh my gosh. Have you guys ever had stalkers? Only one.

And I think it was just a convenience stalker because I was at the beach all the time working out. And I think he just happened to be at the beach all the time. There's a great story of her one stalker. I was managing a professional fighter at the time and he had his cousin who was like a real gangster gangster. And we were at Cafe Vida, shout out. And the stalker rode by on the bike

and Heidi's like, oh my God, that's my stalker. And the gangster that was with King Kevin looks at her and he goes, that's the perks. I'm like, huh? He's like oh my god it's my stalker and the gangster that was with king kevin looks at it he goes that's the perks like huh he's like you made it that's the perks like he was like you have a stalker yeah you did it congrats so that was also perspective yeah i think we've also been like always had a lot of security guards we've been very well known to have a secure house you know like we're not people that you really want a secure house you know like we're not people that you really want to mess with you know that we're armed you know like i think that people don't really want to go to our house ccw okay allegedly uh yeah i mean love america the um what are they

called the those oh the burglar bling ring came to our house and they saw us and they turned around and they like yes yes that's your story yes it's in the police report how do they know they turned around they said it's in the like yeah it's in the like so we

y'all saw them no i mean i think they just saw how we went in and out of the house back then you know it was very militant yeah i mean we all like they were like oh shit give them everything we got

I don't think they wanted any you guys are truly like in the zeitgeist of like pop culture history I don't think you guys get enough recognition for how influential you guys have been over the years we're not done okay I'm a pop star we're just actually starting

I just want you guys to get the credit coming out soon about to drop when is this new show coming out I mean even if it doesn't we're going to China we have pitch meetings coming up Heidi is famous in China her music is doing like 2 billion streams a day in China.

So worst case. Is this, are you being for real? Yeah. This is for real. Oh yeah. And actually right now I think I'm what, 29 on the Italian charts. 27. 27.

So thank you. Actually like the most famous pop star I've ever been. Is this on like Spotify? Yeah. She's got a million, 200,000 monthly listeners. I love that he knows all of her stats. 50 million streams on- It's the same.

That's called low support. 11.5 million on Apple Music. 1 million Shazams. And then on TikTok, on just one song, 933 million streams. And then 519,000 creates, which is when somebody posts- Do you have any notes for Sheena Shea's music career? We just added her to our playlist. Yeah, we did.

We made Heidi first. I think that, you know, just keep coming with the music. Just keep coming. Yeah. Well, the difference between, respectfully, her music and Heidi's music, we spent $2 million on Heidi's music back in the day. So we got all Britney Spears' writers. We got christine aguilera mariah carey's producers we got

uh beyonce's mixers we got you know so we that was one thing we did invest in that's yeah it was that was like a that was actually a smart move we did yeah because it's like hits that's that 401k yeah that's that bitcoin so thankfully that's hitting so we're working on a new album right now new single coming out scandalous breaking news damn scandalous can we get a little sneak peek i mean yeah do we i'll send you the link to post on all socials. We're happy to promote. Just start one of your episodes with it. But yeah, everything's...

We think the show will sell because... Elan thinks it will. It's a comedy. I think you guys need to be on TV. Thank you. And we're going to burn down

like what people think about reality. You know, it's a real... It's going to be a real show. It's going to be very meta. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's going to show the working... Like's gonna be a real show. It'll be very meta. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It's gonna show the working. Like, come on, you better be ready to be on camera. Yeah, like Heidi scared him on the last Zoom. I don't usually,

can we have a cameo? Can we? Yeah. Oh my gosh, we'd love that. Text him after this, please. Yeah.

Just get him a little bit like, I want to be on a little cameo. Yeah, just text him it. Get him a little bit more excited because he's popping now this horror movie. He is. I'm worried he's a little. He's in the horror genre. I'm worried he him a little bit like, I want to be on a little cameo. Yeah, just next to it. Get him a little bit more excited because he's popping now with his horror movies. He is in the horror genre. I'm worried he's a little losing momentum. He said he's excited.

I know, but. He said he thinks. We're hearing movies all of a sudden. But, you know, one thing I'm actually, I don't know about. I can break it here because it's a bigger podcast. I've talked about it on our podcast. Yeah, wait to hear this. I'm actually going to be a movie star.

Oh, right. This is true. Really? Yeah. Congratulations. Please, Bill. Can you elaborate? Yeah, I have a movie with James Franco that we're working on together.

Oh. Funny story about James Franco. Oh, please drop it. Are you going to one-up him? We'll finish yours. No, that's. No, no, let's get the one-up. Let's one-up.

Please. No, please. Yeah. I'm ready. It might. Connect. It might connect. I actually think it might now that i'm thinking about it uh nally was throwing me a birthday party last year not my most recent birthday but the birthday before it was a surprise birthday party one of those surprises where i was like i think nally's throwing me a party but like you know she's like you gotta stay out of the house um so i went and guessed it on a podcast and then the party was not ready so i me and my friend marcos we were told to kill some time so

i took marcos to one of my favorite smash burgers uh in la um burger she wrote and burger she wrote is you know you're familiar yeah so little little shop and then you eat like basically on a sidewalk and we were just eating and here's james franco uh holding a paper bag and like kind of running uh and then he like locked eyes with me he's like hey man you're like vial and i'm like yeah you're james franco and he's like i was just thinking about you whoa and he was and it seems sincere and then he started pitching me like this movie idea about reality tv stars and he thought like maybe i would be a fit he's like give me your number and i'm like and i'm like and i he gave me his number and uh i actually uh what did i text him back you text

him like a gif of himself yeah so why didn't you follow through because you can still be in the movie yeah maybe you should text him right now like spencer yeah so can i be in the movie still can i be in the movie he's a great to me he texts back great to meet you my friend i'll be in touch james and then i sent him this text this gif of himself like winking and then he wrote he sent a T-Rex so now you text with Spencer I want to be in the movie I don't know if I want to be in the movie I think you do

I think you do it's a big movie text him right now I'm just going to send a picture of you it could be a little camera you don't have to like yeah send him a picture

it's not going to mess your podcast schedule up let's see camera smile big oh no you know I play cool

oh yeah yeah yeah yeah like why are you taking a picture of me uh Spencer says

what's up no no Spencer says yes Spencer says that sounds desperate no

Spencer I have best friends with James now Spencer says I need to be in the movie. Yeah. I need to be. This is like our own texting office hours.

Yeah. This is second. He is going to love it. Are we going to get a live James Franco text back? We might. On the ball falls? Yeah. Is he a fast texter?

It depends. He's on set right now. Oh, bizarre. But then I left and I saw him like half. He was like, again, I wasn't sure if he was working out because he had a paper bag with him. So funny. And like in the middle of a workout.

And then he was like walking home. That's so funny. Yeah. So this is going to be. Well, maybe y'all could be co-stars. No, you're definitely in the movie now. It's meant to be, you know. Wow.

Is he on the up and up? Is he on the up and up? I mean, as far as I'm concerned Once you're nominated For an Academy Award You can't get cancelled Yeah I I won't even use that word But I'm also not

His crisis negotiator So That's not my role Congratulations On being a movie star We'll discuss that In the film Yeah

Congratulations Thank you And producer Maybe I'll see you once Yeah well I am a producer of the film So How are you?

You know I'll make sure you get a good oh so we don't even ask have to ask James no you're in that's the thing it's not really asking James

it's saying Spencer says you're in the movie I'll show you the I.S. gotcha so this was the movie he was referring to and I've because it was like

a very bizarre conversation because first I'm like it's why is James Franco it's real like breaking up his workout to like pitch me an idea and then it never really went anywhere he's almost like a magician

he did yes um yep he says um so yeah it's like he's obsessed with uh he loves reality television he does

he had this idea how to make this film and then once I heard it I was like well guess what I'm also obsessed with reality television

and I want to be a movie star so it worked out perfect yeah match made in heaven I already am a movie star which movie were you in? let's see Christmas Cruise

starring Vivica A. Fox good for you lucky Christmas movie? there's see. A Christmas Cruise starring Vivica Fox. Good for you, Bucky! Christmas movie? There's a movie called The List. I do play myself in that. Wow. Who's in The List? What's that one? Halston Stage. Alright, so already

missed that one. Wow. Oh, he's not done yet. I have a few credits. Five or six credits. Oh my gosh. Well, then you're ready for this. I'm ready. Yeah. We don't even need to write you a script.

I've taken the classes. I've done the work. I have a craft. You know, I'm, yeah. But I mean, it's meant to be that the one, I end with that last story and then you have the story of him trying to get you to do it before me. So I was like the second.

And I really apologize. I was not trying to one-up you. I did not realize that. It's meant to be that now we've come together. It's a collaboration. I feel like the second. And I really apologize. I was not trying to one-up you. I did not realize that. It's meant to be that now we've come together. It's a collaboration. I feel like we should have been friends a long time ago.

I like your vibe. You know, I appreciate that. But I don't leave the house. Chris is like, I don't want to be. Yeah, I get it. We can be like friends. I don't mean like actually hang out.

Spencer's actually a really good texter and phone caller. We don't leave the house much out. Spencer is actually a really good texter and phone caller. We don't leave the house much either. We're very much homebodies. Unless you want to meet at Palisades Air One, we could do like a hot bar line. But can I tell people we're friends? Well, you can say we're co-movie stars.

There you go. Co-stars. So he's like, no, but we could be colleagues. Are you keeping it so business? We got to keep it professional until after the movies. And then you depress together. We'll be like Timothy Chalamet and Elvis. Austin Butler.

Austin Butler, how they're doing the TikToks, promoting the movie. Who's who? I could be either. I'm cool. I'm fine with it. Yeah, I'm fine with it. Win-win. Rich movie star. Palisade boys.

You guys gotta celebrate. We celebrate next time. But that's exciting. That's meant to be. We're looking for new houses. Should we move to the Palisades? If you could find a place. That's what I was gonna say.

Isn't it like super expensive? If you guys move to the Palisades, our show will sell. Oh my gosh, you could be just on our show. Maybe just rent a house for the show. On the movie, on the show. We could, instead of Valley, what are they doing on Bravo? The Palisades. The Sades.

The Palisades. The Sades. I have the best mom group, but Spencer never wants to go out of the house and be social with anybody. Heidi's got some ringers. We're looking for cool people with kids. I have the coolest friends with kids palace is your only option because like i as much as we're homebodies i i

want my kid to socialize yeah you can't be with the kid i mean i say that but we're my schedule is like better i'm a freaking nanny yeah yeah it's a babysitter i know i'm like you're not the babysitter you're the dad he keeps forgetting keeps forgetting that. You're not the babysitter. If you wanted to potentially do a show about your life, we could do the dirty work part. Yeah, yeah. And you guys could be more like. You just come in like, oh, we're so normal and nice. And like cool.

And then. Easy with no drama. You know, not drama. It's not. It's funny. So technically now we could have a movie and a show. Nick could like mediate your like arguments. Y'all ever have like marriage arguments?

Well, they don't want me to date. We don't really argue. When you have a boss in the, like there's not really. It's just like, yes, ma'am type of thing. Yeah. Okay. I keep all feelings in consideration when I make plans. So, you know, you just got to figure out roles in a relationship.

Yeah. I know what's best you know for everybody and it just I don't want the pressure of all the decisions so I'm fine I did learn that

we both need opinions and balances wear some fucking pants and you're like I wear shorts every day for a reason okay

I'm cool and they said freezing so I like my legs out. You guys seem super happy. Thank you. We're going to be even happier when we're rich and famous.

We're on our way. We're going to get jets. They're coming. Pop star, movie star, TV stars. I feel like we could talk for hours. We got to pick up the kids. You got to pick up the kids. We have to go. Do you think their divorce is real? I've heard so heard so many you know i'm an internet person so i'd heard

so many allegations for so long that you know but maybe enough's enough if that's real and now he still has to pay for the kids so she's not gonna like air out what he did and like keep the you know but we did a fake divorce and you can only do that storyline for a minute and then it's like, okay, now it's like. Do you think Jax Taylor

and Brittany are having a fake divorce? I think that's real. I don't think so. Well, he came on our podcast and energy was very like, oh,

you know, it's hard for him that was saying the marriage and the kid. It was a lot of pressure. It's hard for him. For him, it was. It's a lot of pressure. It's hard for him. For him, it was. It's a lot.

Right. So he seemed, yeah. Did not seem like good acting. A little tired when he got there. You know. Okay. Okay. And I, when he left, I thought, wow, that was a lot of energy.

I was like, I've never said that about you. I don't think that about you either. Not really. No, it wasn't. It wasn't about her. It was just that it's a lot and it's it can be overwhelming and i was like well yeah and that's just not how i feel you know well when you're a horrible person like i mean he's not a good guy i mean i i have no experience except for him seeing across me and it's like i didn't follow the show enough to know so i can't be like that's nick is basing his opinion off of him oh yeah is it like is he not a good guy or is he just not good in

relationships because he seems nice right he seems like he's making a show in a sense to he gets the producing side of it he was you know what i mean so i don't know start like bringing innocent civilians so so to speak and like start literally fucking with them and yeah checks about the innocent civilians i mean like you know he's he's had affairs upon affairs i mean season two he had sex with the sex worker gaslit i mean he's like he's doing real shit that's you know over and over and over it'd be like if scandival happened every season that's why he's like they seem very mad that he was the cheater and didn't get rich and famous off yeah yeah and i could i felt that for him i said pick the wrong one i guess you should get the cheater trophy it is true but uh you know he was it was nice to us yeah i've only

seen like a season of banner the only scene i've seen of him is when he ripped off his shirt like that for a season. He's in the parking lot and he's like, ah. And like, yeah, fake fought and like hugged the guy. Yeah, that was a great scene. So we're not well versed. All right, guys, we got to go. Okay, I see. Bye.

Bye. Bye. Scream superficial on Spotify. Don't forget to send your questions at asknickofthemalfiles.com. What in your show? We don't have a show yet. Your podcast. Oh, Spidey 16th Minute

every Tuesday or Wednesday. Check it out. Check it out. It's like a TV show or TV people. You're thinking big. You're thinking movies.

I almost said the name too. I was like, oh my God, it's a secret. Get out of here, Spencer. Shut it. Bye, guys. Bye.

Thank you.