The Viall Files - E719 RR - Oscars, Royal Photoshop, Traitors, Summer House, RHOBH, VPR, LIB, and Bach w/ Emily Longeretta

Episode Date: March 12, 2024

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap Edition! Today, we are joined by Variety’s Emily Longeretta to chat about all things reality television. First, we talk about the Oscars and Nick’s story of meeting Emma Stone and why other party guests thought he was a “monster.” We then talk about Kate Middleton’s photoshopped Mother’s Day post. Then, we talk about the Traitors finale. Next, we recap Summer House and how we feel about Lindsay vs. Carl. Then, we talk about Vanderpump Rules and Scheana’s comments on how she hasn’t had any moments about her. Next, we talk about the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills reunion. Next up is Love is Blind, and how we feel about Clay’s decision. And finally, we talk about Bachelor and Joey’s Fantasy Suite dates.  “She cried more than she spoke! That’s her new cardio.”  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS:  Quince - Indulge in affordable luxury. Go to https://www.Quince.com/viall for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns.   ZOA Energy - Available online and at a store near you. Find out where you can find it at https://ww.ZOAEnergy.com and fine retailers like Amazon, 7-Eleven, Costco, Circle K and more.  Nutrafol - Take the first step to visibly thicker, healthier hair. For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners ten dollars off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you go to https://www.Nutrafol.com and enter the promo code THEVIALLFILES. OneSkin - OneSkin is the world's first skin longevity company. By focusing on the cellular aspects of aging, OneSkin keeps your skin looking and acting younger for longer. Get started today with 15% off using code VIALL at https://www.oneskin.co  Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall  @emilylongeretta @ciaracrobinson @alison.vandam @justinkaphillips @leahgsilberstein @dereklanerussell Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 01:50 - Oscars 12:23 - Kate Middleton Photoshop 22:05 - Traitors 30:16 - Summer House 37:59 - Vanderpump Rules 01:00:01 - RHOBH Reunion 01:20:02 - Love is Blind 01:39:18 - Bachelor 02:03:11 - Outro   

What's going on everybody. Welcome back to another jam packed episode of the Vile Files reality recap style. I'm your host Nick joined by the household of Ali. Sweet, sweet, sweet boy. Josh, and we got Leah. Sierra is back. Are also pop culture correspondent. Like, I feel like Natalie just kind of upgraded is like mother of the household.

Mother. Yeah. House mother. She's house mother. Um, and soon to be back at Reality Recap. She's already returned to going deeper for those, I know everyone has missed Natalie's presence, and soon to be back at Reality Recap. And our special, special guest today, returning to the show, the one and only, Emily Longoretta

from Variety. How are you, Emily? How are you? I'm doing wonderful. I was kind of hoping I would see Natalie today, but I understand. She's got some stuff going on. Thank you for understanding.

A little busy. Yeah, you know, she's excited to come back, but it's a lot sometimes. She sends her wishes. She says hi to the reality recap audience. Be sure to tune in. Oh, by the way, big episode this Thursday. AD from Love is Blind is with us.

Her exclusive podcast premiere interview following her being left at the altar, which, and we will be, I know, a little R&R for you on going deeper. The reunion comes out, I think, Wednesday. Wednesday, yeah. And so we'll be breaking down the reunion along with interviewing AD on Thursday's episode.

So tune in for that. So that'll be good. That'll be fun. Lots going on this weekend. Oscars. That happened. I mean, what did we think? All I can think about is John Cena walking naked on stage. He looked good. John Cena and Ryan Gosling, I mean, really just own the show.

Yeah, that was the two. Ryan Gosling can sing. I think people forget that he was a former, like, Disney Mickey Mouse Club guy. I know, the video was circling last night on Twitter, and I was like, people all forgot about this? Everyone was like, oh, my gosh, he can sing. I was like, guys, he got his start with Justin Timberlake and Britney Spears.

It is really annoying in Hollywood. Like, watching... Ryan Gosling? Thank you. OK. Watching Ryan Gosling. Thank you. Okay Watching Ryan Gosling saying reminded me of what it's like to go to karaoke in Hollywood. Oh, yeah, I would never Because you go to karaoke anywhere else You know every once in a while. There's someone who maybe can like kind of sing you go to karaoke in Hollywood You're like, oh my. Like, there's like a bunch of like undiscovered sensations

everywhere. That also just happened to be beautiful. Yeah, it's like, holy shit. The whole package, you're like sitting in the corner, like, oh. Yeah, it is really wild. Anyways, so yeah, turns out he's got a beautiful voice. Oh yeah.

I saw a couple of tweets out there saying, Justin Timberlake must be thanking his lucky stars, Ryan Gosling chose acting instead of music. Yeah, he did well. Congrats to Emma Stone, who won her second Oscar. That was definitely my favorite moment of the night. She looks so genuine. I usually hate the surprise face.

That's like my biggest cringe at any award show because I'm like, come on, you weren't surprised. She looked, she's a great actor, but like she looked genuinely surprised. I mean, and I think people just really thought that like that film was gonna take it. I don't know why it felt like, it seemed like it was, this one was maybe,

I don't know, more meaningful than her first, you know? Like you win your first, like I didn't know, like I know anything about winning an Oscar. But like, yeah, it's just like to be able to come back and do it again. She referenced her daughter, she became a mom and to come back to work and then still fucking crush it must be very meaningful.

I was rooting for Emma. We have some mutual friends. I've met her a couple times. Like very nice. So there's, there was like an extra kind of, that was cool. Yeah, roller skating with her mom. I think I've told that story on the show before. It was one of the more interesting nights of my life. A few years back, Emma had a fundraiser. Again, we have some mutual friends. It was at a roller skating rink. So I got invited because I roller skate.

And I was just like, just doing this lapse. And then Emma's mom was there. She was a decent roller skater, but I was just like, well, I'm a good roller skater. So for like a good 45 minutes, I'm just skating backwards holding Emma Stone's mom's hand. And I was like, yeah, I can roller skate with you all fucking night.

She was a very lovely lady. Just very nice and very sweet. So wholesome. And then there was a moment right after, just very nice and very sweet. This is so wholesome. And then there was a moment right after that where Brie Larson, and I'm pretty sure the Hames sisters were there, because that is, you know, so they had this little like VIP area of which I was with the mutual friends invited into that little room. In Hollywood or like in LA? It was at World on Wheels.

Yeah, the one in Midtown, the roller skating rink. I think it's World on Wheels, yeah, the one in Midtown, the roller skating rink, I think it's World on Wheels. What's it called, Justin? There's Moonlight. Moonlight is in Glendale, right? Yeah, it wasn't at Moonlight. World on Wheels is Mid-City. That's probably what you're talking about.

Mid-City, okay, is it World on Wheels? Okay, so it was there. And another one of our mutual friends, she had brought her boyfriend and they had this fight and she started crying. And so I went over to my friend. Now at this point, I had met Brie Larson before. She had invited me to her house

when I was the bachelor at a viewing party. So Brie was familiar with me and I know like the Hames sisters watched The Bachelor pretty well, or at least viewing party. So Brie was familiar with me and I know like the Haim sisters watched the bachelor pretty well, or at least they did. And so I didn't know this at the time, but like, so my friend was crying, right? And I went, you know, and I had known, I've known my friend for a while. She had been getting in fights with her boyfriend for a while. And so it was like, here we go again. But I noticed that she was crying, you know? So I went over to console her and just be like, hey, you checking in, are you okay?

She's like, yeah, I'm fine, whatever. And so like, I was like, okay, and I kind of patted her on the back and then got up and went roller skating. The backpack, you know. It's just like a little pat on the back. And then I was like, all right, well, I'm gonna go back and hit the lane, you know,

like, and started roller skating. Meanwhile, unbeknownst to me, Brie Larson and the Haim sisters are watching this, but they missed the first part. So they missed the part where my friend was fighting with her boyfriend and they didn't really know if I was dating anyone. I was the former bachelor at this point, they weren't like following my love life at this. And so what they thought, they thought I was breaking up with my friend and what they witnessed was the former bachelor like kind of padding what they thought

was his, you know, now ex girlfriend publicly breaking up with her. They thought they thought I was publicly breaking up with her, then padding her on the back and then went and said, well, fuck it. I'm going to go roller skating. They like, so like they think I'm a monster at this point. Skating off into the distance. And then they went to our mutual friends like, did you see that Nick was, why did he break up with his girlfriend and go roller skating afterwards? They're like, no, no, he's not,

he's not dating that girl. Why did you bring her here? For this. Brought her here to break up with her. So for a moment, they thought I was, and I think, I think they finally, I think word got out that I wasn't actually dating her, but I don't know for sure if they left,

if some of those super famous celebrities left thinking like, well, wow, that motherfucker's an asshole. I love that they made a whole storyline in their heads. Yeah, for sure. And they narrated it for them. I mean, we all do that. Every head does that, right? They were, I mean, they made a whole storyline in their heads. Yeah, for sure. And they narrated it for them. I mean, we all do that. Every head does that, right? They were, I mean, they were,

is this far as I'm away from you, Justin, that's how, it was like this little small section, VIP section. And they just were watching like this all go down, but they missed the first half of it. So, yeah. Anyways, congrats to Emma Stone. Yeah.

I will say she is very genuine and we know that because she also missed an award going to the bathroom. So I think it's a lot of unplanned authenticity. I know I loved that she was like, I'm missing all the awards for poor things because I went to the bathroom at the wrong time. So cute. Yeah, she's very sweet.

Oppenheimer, congrats to Josh Peck and the entire Oppenheimer gang. Oppenheimer really crushed. Yeah. Yeah. And Josh Peck was in Oppenheimer, so.enheimer really crushed. Yeah. Yeah. And Josh Peck was in Oppenheimer, so. Yeah. And he's a friend of the show. I also have to say that this year, the fashion on the red carpet,

I think made the Ghost of Joan Rivers so happy. Truly some of the best I've seen in years. In years. Every single, I have a hard time, like usually I'm like, oh, it was kind of split. I feel like I have a hard time even thinking of bad fashion. Everyone looked so good. Favorite looks.

Carrie Mulligan's Balenciaga look was everything. Yes, she looked amazing. She looked so, so good. Margot Robbie looked amazing. Zendaya looked so great. Ariana Grande. Yep. There was so many amazing looks this year

and usually fashion is like the hardest part for me to watch where I'm like, what are we doing? Same. This year, everybody stylist should get a raise. Yeah, and at the Vanity Fair party, they had Sidney Sweeney was in this dress that they- Kind of a Marilyn Monroe. Yeah, and Angelina Jolie wore it like 20 years ago

to the Oscars and putting it side by side. I was like, oh, it literally looks amazing on both people. Like this was such a flawless, timeless dress. Truly. Such a good night for fashion. Vanessa Hudgens is pregnant. Yeah, she, her red carpet debut with the baby. Congratulations, Vanessa.

And very pregnant. Doesn't seem like she's newly pregnant. It seems a couple months probably. Yeah, she hit it too. She did a Kylie Jenner. Yeah, she did. Nobody knew. Well, congratulations to her and her partner.

Bradley Cooper brought his mom. And Ryan Gosling brought his sister. What a sister. Cute. Do we love those? I love a family affair. Same. Congratulations are her and her partner Bradley Cooper brought his mom and Ryan Gosling brother sister Do we love those I love a family affair same I was happy that Bradley Cooper didn't bring Gigi Hitty I feel like then people everyone would have been talking about it and it would have been a whole thing But that would have been fun for us so fun for us I saw something it's just like who else could have Bradley Cooper brought because he hates his daughter He loves her now he loves her now that Cooper brought because he hates his daughter. Oh. Oh, that's so sad.

He loves her now. He loves her now, yeah. Wait, it only took him eight months or so. Yeah. I don't feel connected to this thing at all. Can we also talk that De Niro looked like the most miserable person on the planet? I would be if I were him.

I know, but like. Imagine how many Oscars that motherfucker's been to. I know, but like. He's just gotta be like, fuck this. And now he has like a baby on the way again, and he's like, I don't, I just, I don't know. I was like, can you crack a smile, please? like, fuck this. And now he has a baby on the way again, and he's like, I don't know. I was like, can you crack a smile, please? Come on.

Do you think Leo didn't show up because he got snubbed? Do you think he was protesting? I think there was probably a part of him that was like, I need to go. Yeah, I mean, if you're Leo, it's like, why, these things must be so boring. But he has been, totally, but he has been for so long supporting Lilly that that would

have been nice if he came just because she was nominated. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Why didn't he, why wasn't he there? I don't think we know. We had our Power Women event, we had honored Lilly and Leo actually came to introduce her and it was the best. They have such a sweet friendship that I was kind of surprised that he wasn't there just

to like cheer her on. I will say a source had mentioned that he was forced not to come because he's currently filming a production for Paul Thomas Anderson. Oh, that could be true. So it was like they're filming at the same time so it just didn't align. So it's not like he was later seen that night at like-

Went to the parties, but skipped to the- Like the clubs, you know? Because it's not hard to find Leo at a club in LA. No. Yeah, it's not exactly a, oh my God, I can't believe he's here. Like. Up the house.

I did like that they brought out so many former winners to introduce. I thought that was a cool thing to do. I'm a little interested in how they picked which winners to bring out, because there was a little bit of lack of diversity. They could have done a little better there. That's just my shout out,

but I was happy with most of the choices. Well, they didn't exactly have like a very, like it hasn't been that long since the nominations and winners were more diverse. Right, but I mean not having Halle Berry was an option. Well, do you think they didn't ask Halle Berry? I don't know, I don't know. I guess that's something we should ask,

but I should ask the producers, but I don't. Maybe she was also filming. Maybe she was, yeah. I don't know, just there are some. Because yeah, you're right, you invite her. You have to. Who doesn't invite, she should be invited to everything. Everything.

She's on your list of like. The top of the list, like I don't. Just like no, she wasn't in the movie. I don't care, can we still ask her? It doesn't matter. Just ask her. John's, yeah. I was gonna say, I think they should've invited

Kate Middleton. I mean. I think that think they should've invited Kate Middleton. I mean. I think that would've been a really good opportunity for everybody. Where is she? Oh my God. At first I thought this was like just the internet having fun. Same.

And clearly Kate was fine, it's just the weird royal family, she's just not up for it. And then the internet was just losing their mind. And now, now it's like, is she okay? Is she alive? Are they together? There's something nefarious going on.

So the latest thing was she was in the car with him, right? The photo of the side of her face. Yeah, the side of her face. But like, wait, a week ago, literally when we were recording this last week, when we got done recording, Ali's like, breaking news. There's this very fucking blurry picture of Kate Middleton in a car when every other pop photo

we've ever seen of Kate Middleton in a car is for fucking K. You know? And it's like, the best photos ever. But this one is like super pixelated. Like it could be her, it could be a million other, you know, brunettes. Could have been me.

Like I could have been you. Literally could have been you. Like it could have been Sierra and all of them. Yeah. It could have been Natalie. Like literally any brunette. Just squint your eyes. You're just like, oh my God, Kate Middleton.

Holy shit. They literally brought back the girl who's playing her in the crown and they're like, sit in a car with Carol. Yeah, exactly, right? So then that happens. And then this was, it was Mother's Day in England yesterday and they released this photo of Kate Middleton

and the kiddos. And then quickly the internet started like doing their thing only discovered this is a very fabricated photo. You know, like, yeah, it's just like looking at the look at the window panes in the back, you're like, how crooked, like that line is. Yeah, right there. The biggest one for me is that, is that on her upper chest, you can literally see

that there's another photo patched on top of the body. Where am I seeing this? Like, it's a little hard in this image, but like where the jaw string are, right? Where the strings are? It's like right on her chest, there's like a on her chest. There's like a line where you can see

that the top half was patched onto the bottom of her body. Oh, did you see like, and then now people are trying to find the sources of the image. There was one where it was like, seemed to be sourced from a magazine cover. Oh my goodness. And it looks like the exact same photo

when you do a side by side. I mean, TikTok is going crazy with this. They're going back and looking at images from 2023 of Kate wearing this sweater and they think that it was white and then they darkened it and then her daughter was wearing this shirt with the same shoes. And then this morning from their,

if I understand correctly, William and Kate's joint Twitter account, it was in the POV of Kate, is if she is actually tweeting, which we all know she doesn't. There's no way in the world. She's a statement like, oh my guys, oops, I'm sorry, just like playing with editing, I'm an amateur. Like you're telling me Kate Middleton's scrolling through Facetune on her phone.

And just like having fun. I mean like guys, I want to post this. of an amateur. Like you're telling me Kate Middleton's scrolling through Facetune on her phone. And just like having fun. I mean like guys, I wanna post this. We think she's sitting there on, we think she knows how to use Photoshop. She said, for Mother's Day, this is the best I can do. I just, I feel like we're in like an extended episode of Black Mirror.

When it comes to this. Where it's just like, you are now in it. We don't know if, are any of these people together? Like. Well, Ali also pointed out the weather. For those of you listening in London, what is it? Is it spring? Is it green and sunny? It could, that could be.

I don't know. Yeah, who knows? Yeah, there's so much going on. Yeah, and we're led to believe that Kate is Photoshopping her own photos. We all know the one thing that would squash all these rumors is some sort of selfie video from Kate being like, hey guys, sorry, like playing around, totally okay, having fun, here are the kids.

But as just playing devil's advocate, does she really need to do that? No, she's a royal. She doesn't need to do that. Who cares what people think? That's kind of in my mind. Well, I enjoy this and while I would love to see her and make sure she's okay, I don't think it's really necessary. Well, it's not necessary, but now it's gotten weird.

It is weird. It's just gotten so fucking weird. It's gotten to the point where even people like me who are just like, you know, who generally thinks the royal family conversations are all just silly to begin with. And then again, when a couple of weeks ago, when this conversation started, it was like,

clearly she's fine. Clearly she's just like doing her royal thing and we don't understand. But now it's gotten fucking bizarre. To post this photo, which is clearly, they couldn't get together. If you wanna talk about unnecessary, like this Photoshop image was very unnecessary.

Yeah, and so that creates so many more questions. Yeah, you're right. And now it's just like, now there's a lot of conversations about like, is divorce imminent? Like, does William have like a side chick? And is Kate like refusing to do anything? Like, why is this happening?

And again, it could all be squashed by a simple video. And again, you're right, she doesn't need to do that, but she also doesn't need to Photoshop a photo. She shouldn't have done this, no. And then tweeting it even this morning, it's like, oh no, stop, you're continuing to dig deeper. And the lies that they're coming up with are just not good. Is Riley also Kate Middleton's publicist?

It's like when she's not helping out Tom Sandoval, like, you know. Crisis PR. Your crisis PR, she's flying over to the royal palace and be like, all right, Kate, here's what we need to do. We need to Photoshop. Let's find four different photos, one of each of you, and we're gonna push it all into one.

Riley's just like, guys, just tell them that Kate was Photoshopping. Everyone will're gonna push it all into one. Right? And then he's just like, guys, just tell them that Kate was Photoshopping. Everyone will believe it. It's totally fine. You would think they would put this through multiple rounds of review. I'm just like, the Royal Family has enough money

to hire decent Photoshop. Truly. I'm like, who fumbled the ball here? Well, and don't they all have their own PR person, like per individual too, that I'm just like, how are we not coordinating here? Being like, maybe this was not the best idea. Oh yeah, I mean, anything they post,

any tweet, any story, anything, has to go through at least six or seven people. So it's like all of those people signed off. Everybody. But you didn't notice her skirt's not attached to her body? And it's not just one thing. There are like seven issues. Yeah, like the hand is weird.

It's also just like, and this is just like a weird thing, like all the kids' hands, all of it are, they're crossing their fingers. Is this like, hey, like we need help. No, one of them's, one of their fingers is like this. It's the middle finger over the ring finger. That's not even natural. Yeah, the one all the way on the left.

Like what is happening there? But is it natural? She's also not wearing her iconic wedding ring. Yeah, she's not wearing her wedding ring. She's not wearing Diana's ring. Right. So, like, why is she not wearing her ring? Because it's not her hand.

Well, I was thinking, even before, even before the, it was, the story broke that this was a bullshit photo. Even when we thought it was a real photo, it was like, why isn't she wearing her wedding ring? It was like, such a, such a miss. And you're telling me that all those people saw that and no one was like, why isn't she wearing her wedding ring? It was like, such a, such a miss. And you're telling me that all those people saw that and no one was like, hey,

maybe we should Photoshop the ring on. Come on. Kate's like, sorry, like. I'm busy. So yeah, so, so if Kate, if we're led to believe that Kate actually Photoshopped this, did she Photoshop her ring out? Was that her making a statement?

I don't know. It could be like a Free Britney moment. The little things matter. That's what it's giving. Yeah. It's giving Free Britney. Well, William's brother and his wife are thriving. I was surprised they weren't at the Oscars, to be honest.

They were probably just like having a ball, just getting, they were probably just deeply invested in the story. They must be thrilled. They love that it's done on them. The spare and his wife must be thrilled. It's the tweet you sent that said, the Princess of Wales is missing

and the spare prince is in exile and the king is treating his cancer with herbs. If this were the 1300s, France would be looking to invade. Yeah, truly, they would. They would, literally. Let's give the creator some, who's the creator on that tweet? It is Stefan Smith, at the Stefan Smith.

There you go, Stefan Smith, yeah. Truly, truly. That's so true. But it's happening. It is so bizarre. Anyways, thank you for the content. Also, did you see the clip of Eken Sue on Big Brother UK? And she's asking her uncle?

It was Kate Middleton's like, her uncle is on Big Brother. Wow, I totally didn't see that. Oh, it's hysterical. She's just sitting there just casually being like, so where's Kate Middleton? And he's like, oh, well, you know, like very uncle, like a response being like,

I have no idea. But like, he's just like, you know, we're not really talking. We don't know. Like when she's ready to come forward, and we're like, oh, okay. Of the horror of being a celebrity, I could not imagine. You know, granted, I'm not, I'm not ever close, she's ready to come forward. Oh, okay. Of the horror of being a celebrity.

I could not imagine, you know, granted, I'm not ever close, but the horror of being a celebrity and then your uncle being able to go on a Big Brother show. So scary to me. Is just horrifying. I could not imagine some of my aunts and uncles or cousins being able to go on Big Brother because they're related to me.

Well, Ariana Grande's brother went on Big Brother too. Yeah, that's deep. Yeah. He became an actual celebrity himself. The Middletons have been so, they're hand in hand with the firm. They are very, they've always wanted Kate to be with William. Her mom had her like switch schools last minute

so that she could meet William and they fell in love. So it's like, how did Carol sign off on her brother doing this? Come on, Carol. Do you really think she signed off? Maybe he went rogue. Maybe he's the Harry of their family. Everyone has a Harry.

Everyone has a spare, you know? But yeah, it's like the fact that her uncle is on Big Brother. Wild. Is wild. Is it, should we get that her uncle is on Big Brother. Wild. Is wild. Is it, should we get into Bravo World? Traitors. Is that kind of Bravo World?

I mean, Andy's hosting the reunion. Bravo, Jason. Yeah, it's Peacock. Yeah. I mean, in the Traitors reunion, he did say Bravo people are more sensitive and take things personal versus like game show people see like these jobs and these manipulation as just a move.

Well, yeah, that was the whole overarching theme of the reunion was like, this is a game. And no one's, and like, I don't know, certain people, everyone needed to take a chill pill. Everyone was real stressed at that reunion. Anyways, it is, it is Traders Time. It's on Peacock every Thursday at nine. It's now over, but so spoiler alert,

we're gonna talk about the season if you haven't watched it yet. But yeah, so congratulations to Trishel and CT. Which is kind of funny that the first person cast it out was Johnny Bananas, because it was the three of them from The Challenge. He must be really upset about that. He's the first one to go.

The Challenge was the first show I ever covered when I became a journalist. I've been watching it from the beginning. I'm a diehard, so like like this season was like my dream. So the big question is, was CT and Trishel in on it? Did they screw over? 1000%. MJ. MJ.

And right, 1000%. I feel like they were like, no matter who goes to the end, if we're standing at that fire with four other people, we're eliminating people until the two of us. Well, didn't one of them even say that in the show where they were like, we made a deal that it would be the two of us at the end? Yeah, and CT said it when he was voting or whatever,

and he was like, no, there's not one other person I trust and not one other person I want to split that pot with. Right, but do you think that Trishel voted for CT at first just to kind of cover their tracks? Yes, absolutely. Yeah, she explained that. I watched a few podcasts that she did, and she was saying that she she claimed

She actually thought he was a trader for a minute. I was like, there's no way there's no way in the world I also think producers were like maybe write CT so this can be a little more dramatic maybe yeah But the clearly they know how to play the games so they're game players that they've made a literally entire career out of it and Trichet was like on top of all season long, and if she thought that CT was actually a traitor, this would not have been, the first time we're hearing about it is on her PR podcast tour.

Please, come on. We're not that stupid, Trishelle. And then at the reunion, they were like, MJ, get over it. Listen, MJ has a right to be so fucking pissed. Yeah, I'd be pissed. I mean, they screwed her out of how much money? What was the pot at that point?

250 was the pot, I think. It was like 208 in some sense, because I think they got 104 something each. 104,000, so it would have been like. Roughly 69,000. So give or take 70 grand. They were like, sorry, bye. Also, it's a game and you're playing to win money.

So like the most famous, like infamous thing that happened on the challenge was Johnny Bananas stealing from his partner at the very end when he won with Sarah. And they introduced a twist that was like, oh, by the way, you want to steal a pot from your partner? Like the person who got you to the end. And he was like, I'm taking the money.

And took the whole thing. Or remember the bachelor. Yes. Exactly. Where his name Nick or Nick something. Oh my God, I remember that. And he took the money. He took the money. Cause like if you both agreed to share,

you would both split it. And if you said keep it and the other person said share, the person who said keep it got to keep it. And if you both say keep it, you got nothing. No one gets it. No one gets it. It's anything. And everyone kind of went into it with like,

we're always gonna share, we're always gonna share. No, take the money. Well, Love Island is like that too, but I don't think anybody's ever. No, they've never stolen. But on Bachelor, was it Bachelor Pad? I remember that. And they started doing it on RE the One too.

I think they need to bring Bachelor Pad back and get rid of Bachelor in Paradise. So the producers had told me when they were talking about, now that they're in this whole golden world and golden is the future, I would say, that they would wanna do something like Bachelor Pad. Because I was like, Golden Paradise is not gonna work. You can't have that age group living on a beach.

But they said they'd be interested in doing a Bachelor Pad Golden edition. They could do competition they said like they'd be interested in doing like a Bachelor Pad fold-in edition. They could do competition. Like also reality TV competition shows are like in vogue now. Totally. So like maybe just Bachelor Pad was ahead of its time, bring it back. Yeah.

You know, even, at least the first season will do very well. Oh yeah. The thing about Bachelor Pad, if Bachelor would just be willing to like let go of, like they're so focused on being on brand when it comes to love. So even when Bachelor Pad was on, it was always like, where are the love stories?

Do people fall in love? And it was like, they have a hard time letting go of, the show is obviously first and foremost a show about finding love, which I totally get, but I would hope that if they bring a show like Bachelor Pad back, they would loosen up on that. And maybe they could bring back some of your alumnis that are in relationships and married.

And just have it be a competition show. Nick actually is pitching this because he wants to go on. We're all seeing this, right? He's like, bring back people who are about to get married who just had a baby. I will, I'm not. I would never go on another Bachelor show ever again. No offense to the Bachelor franchise.

I love them, you know, but I'm just like done with that. I got you, I got you. But they should, they actually should do that. They should let go of the whole love aspect and bring people back. I mean, they tried to do winter games. You remember that? No one watched it.

No, I watched it. I watched it too. I'm a competition girl, so like that to me, I'm like, I to do winter games. Remember that? No one watched it. No, I watched it. I watched it too. I'm a competition girl, so like that to me, I'm like, I need the competition. They want all the people from Canada. I heard it was like good. The show itself, I heard it was good, but I did not watch it. It was produced well.

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the more I'm just so blown away. The more I'm watching Summer House, the more I'm just confused as to Lindsay's PR strategy, being the PR girly that she is. It's, again, what I said last time, where I'm just like, I don't understand how you have so many seasons and can't watch things back, but what I'm learning is that she has her version of reality

and she lives that in the moment and then that's what she's telling everybody but being able to watch it in real time it's like oh there's zero accountability for your side of like for your doing in this destruction of your relationship. But it's just like crazy to me because like she came on this show and told her side of the story which again very grateful that she did. Thank you Lindsay for coming on and we wanted to give her the floor to share her side of the story and then her side of the story. And her side of the story was at the time,

and again, from our POV, having haven't watched any part of the season was like, hey, there's reality TV, and then there's like, you know, your personal life. And it's just like Carl setting up Lindsay and blindsiding her on camera, very like, ahry season when he broke up with Becca on camera and was one of the most hated men in America.

Truly, I mean the wrath that Ari on Bachelor felt was, I mean it got to levels of almost scary. Like holy shit, Bachelor Nation, chill the fuck out. Like it's this is a TV show. I mean it was, people were putting up billboards. It was fucking crazy, the hate that Ari got, for simply deciding that the woman he picked after nine weeks of dating and six hours with her,

realizing that maybe that wasn't the girl he wanted to spend the rest of her life with. Meanwhile, because he broke up with her, simultaneously made her the bashful threat. So in Meanwhile, because he broke up with her, simultaneously made her the bachelorette. So in reality, what actually happened is that Ari, instead of like saying, hey, instead of breaking up with you seven months from now, I'm just gonna break up with you now

so that you can be the bachelorette. But nevertheless, he was still fucking crucified. 1000%. Just absolutely destroyed. So here we are, Lindsay, kind of in the same vein and being like, hey, I know it's fucking TV, but this motherfucker ended our relationship on TV and we're sitting here being like,

God, what a fucking asshole, you know? He called producers before he told you. How could you? Yeah, monster. Completely leaving out the fact that we're about it. And then what I don't understand about Lindsay's strategy is that like her coming on this show, which is a pretty large platform,

we have a pretty large reach when Bravo characters come on. Like not only are they telling the story, they're also like telling our audience, the millions of people who listen every month to like, oh, maybe we should watch Summer House. This seems like a really juicy story. Like, boy, I wanna, like Lindsay was promoting Summer House. So she came on here to tell her story,

being like, you should watch this shit. And I was like, I'm definitely gonna watch Summer House for the first time. Like, you know, I did my homework, you know, but I had not seen an episode. I'm invested in this season. Only to now watch Lindsay, like just completely, every scene is about just throwing her then fiance

under the bus. I couldn't imagine being in a relationship where like I'm constantly being called out by my partner to her girlfriends as like this terrible partner, it is wild to me. Two years of sobriety down the drain because you didn't agree with my,

her whole thing was that she thought the girls were gonna feel weird about her going into a different car and so she sat in the car and had Kyle and Carl being like, it's fine, nobody's worried about you and she's like, no, you guys don't understand to then saying that Carl got aggressive with her and calling him cocaine Carl, where I'm just like, the fact that you could say that on camera at home

and not even think twice about it, like you are the problem. And then she goes on and makes her PR statement saying, I used the wrong words, babe. Yeah, you did. I mean, that's the thing, you're using language like you got aggressive with me. It's 2024. Yeah. And we're using language like you got aggressive with me. It's 2024, you know, and we're hyper,

we are hyper vigilant, you know. As Dorit said, words have meaning. Words have meaning. But what you said before, like that it's this far in and you're still not watching back or you're still not realizing the cameras. Like, come on, this isn't your first season doing this. You aren't new at this.

A thousand percent. You know what you're doing when you're saying that stuff and there's a camera in front of you. You could have saved this for a phone call at home back in New York, or back in the city, but it's like you're doing this with people, with your cast mates, knowing that he's going to have to come home and deal with it. And then it's her doubling down the next day and going and telling Danielle like the same story yet again, like repeated.

And it's just like, oh, wow, you're not going to take any accountability for your part in this, but you want to turn everybody against Carl, who is your partner that you're choosing to spend the rest of your life with. And when she threw him under the bus with the whole like him not being able to figure out his career choice and she was like, I got him a career coach twenty thousand dollars for six months and he still doesn't know what he wants to do. And it's just like, I don't know, it just gave me a very icky feeling that you're talking about your future partner like this.

If you're spending $20,000 on a career coach, you're wasting it. I mean, yeah. Right off the bat, I can tell you that's a bad investment. Red flag, you know? I do think Lindsay just, I think Scandival has really warped the sense of reality with some of these reality TV stars

in thinking that they can have their Scandival moment. I think every reality TV star, when they see another reality TV star pop over some sort of scandal, they all get very envious of that person and try to recreate that scandal. You can't create these organic, and I think for all the crazy speculation

about scandal being staged or manufactured by producers, I think the fact that you have other reality TV stars like Lindsay try to manufacture, actually manufacture their own scandal shows that these types of things that go ultra viral and really just immerse themselves in the zeitgeist of pop culture, to do something like that, it has to be this organic thing.

It can't be forced or contrived. It really has to be this truly genuine moment. I'd be willing to bet that while Carl is breaking up with her on camera, she went into Lindsey PR mode and started thinking about how she could spin this in her favor and completely lost track of reality. Like she stopped thinking, she wasn't even paying attention to what was happening

and she thought, this is gonna be my big moment. That must be it. You're dead, I think you're dead on just because the first episode, they were talking about going to the White House and she was like, the only other person that would be invited is like ariana And then in the preview coming up she tells carl She's yelling at him and says you're acting like sandoval right now and it's like why are these your references for everyday life?

It's not normal. She has the notes down. She's like, okay step one two three Called it called it just so you know had lindsay just come on here and said's like, okay, step one, two, three. Yeah. Called it, called it just so you know. Had Lindsay just come on here and said, listen, like, yeah, like we had our problems and I played a role in our destruction and like definitely you're gonna watch this season and you're gonna see some moments I'm not super proud of and things I could have said differently. Hatchie, you just said that, you know?

A lack of accountability. But just to pretend none of that happened. That's what they need to start spending instead of $20,000 on career coaches, accountability coaches, okay? Because nobody's on Bravo. Nobody, mostly on reality TV, nobody knows how to hold themselves accountable, but Bravo especially.

Yeah, I know, it was wild. I mean, would it be better if she handled it like Sheena did in this recent episode? What a tough episode for Sheena. What a tough episode for Sheena. What a tough episode. Sheena had more tears than Lindsay. Is there any chance that Sheena is just taking one for the team?

I don't think so. I think it's the lack of self awareness yet again and throughout these casts. Cause she made a point in an after show saying that she's never been the star of a season, that she always gets a bad edit, that no, and I'm like, baby, you do this to yourself. I know. Blaming on the edit is so, I'm so done with it. Right.

I'm so done with it. You are choosing this. This is you. Yeah. There's a reason why we have these moments on film. Right. Of course there are things that get edited. We all know that, but... I could not believe it. My jaw dropped when Sheena was like, why can't just one moment be about me?

And I'm thinking, Sheena, there have been so many moments that have been about you. You had two, not one, two weddings on this show. A bachelorette party, when she got into a van on that one trip and she famously said, I'd rather get gang banged by all these guys in front of her then fiance, that moment was about her. Her breakup with her fiance, that was on camera.

And then when she went back to her bachelorette party, also that was about her. Good as gold was on camera. Multiple times. She was the star of the parade, singing her song 75 times over and over again. Yeah, there's been ton of moments about her, you know? Also like the season 10 finale,

the most watched season of Vanderpump, she had the most iconic moment. Her conversation with Tom was her. And she got credit for it. She was at the final thought of that season. It was a really great moment by Sheena. We all thought Sheena changed her ways and was like, cool, not only are you a girl's girl now,

but you're like standing up and saying what needs to be said. And then it's just like, we're back. Season 11, we're back. The restraining order at the reunion. Right. Yeah, that was about her. Yeah, yeah. And we were rooting for her.

Like truly, I was like, that's so fucked up. I do think she gets a pat on the back for carrying this episode though. Yeah. At least 40 minutes of it was her. Oh, it was all her. Yeah. I mean, yeah, no, it was awesome.

Like I loved watching it. Yeah. It was, you know, when the, it's like when the yoga instructor or whatever person was there, when they were like. That's set up. That was just so insane to me.

What did she say? What did she say when she was like, well, you know, and if you're not feeling good, don't hide it. You know, just, she was like, that's my cue. I'm like. I'm not okay actually. And I fucking hate you. Gone. We're like, oh's my cue. I'm like. I'm not okay actually and I fucking hate you. Gone.

We're like, oh, oh, here we go. She cried more than she spoke this episode. Oh my God. I was like, that is her new cardio is crying. She was just like, I do so much. And I'm like, and I feel bad for her at the same time just because it is the lack of self-awareness for me that I'm like, I don't doubt that that is your truth,

your reality. But at the same time I'm like, girl, this is so not about you. And the idea that you're calling the person who actually got cheated on, looking for validation about your feelings. What I don't understand in why the internet, like, where she, anyone who's like,

on this whole like, Arianne needs to get over herself, Arianne is simply just setting a boundary and saying, I just don't want to associate with this person anymore. And if you do, fine. But like personally, I need to make some tough choices in my life for my own mental health. Yeah, the whole living situation, yes,

it's kind of weird or bizarre, fine. But nevertheless, she is not asking anyone not to hang out with them. She's just like, I don't wanna fuck with that person. And that's just called being an adult. And so I don't know what Ariana is doing other than just that. Setting boundaries. Setting boundaries.

Just being like, I just don't wanna fuck with this person. I also feel like she specifically didn't wanna go on this trip because she doesn't want to concern herself with Sandoval at all. And yet she is calling her every five seconds I feel like she specifically didn't wanna go on this trip because she doesn't want to concern herself with Sandoval at all. And yet Sheena's calling her every five seconds to give her updates on how the trip is going. Yeah, I would literally be like, stop calling me.

Yeah. I don't wanna hear about it. I chose not to go. Sandoval's non-accountability has been well documented. Every episode. Especially even on this show. Yeah, of course. But his line that he's now using,

it's like Rachel and I, or Raquel and I, I don't know if it's Raquel when we're talking about the affair. Who she used to be. Yeah, we didn't mean anything malicious by this, but you guys did. It's like, wait, not giving a fuck about someone else's feelings while you're fucking someone else.

Pretty malicious to me. It doesn't make you the good guy. Yeah, that doesn't make you. Yeah, like, oh, well, we weren't thinking of you. Yeah, clearly. We can give a fuck about your feelings. So, yeah, it's like, well. So now you're the bad guys for your reactions to my actions.

You're being like, I have no empathy. I don't care about your feelings, but what you're doing seems personal. Because it actually hurt me. Cause that's all he cares about. It's wild. He's like, how I feel about it. I will say it's almost convincing.

You're like, wow, you know what? He didn't, you're right. They are trying to get back at you It's like but wait what fuck you didn't you did this you did this it's the It's also what you were saying earlier that that confuses me is that I was like this is filming What two months three months after Scandival broke to you? So it's weird that like all of these people got on their, on their platform saying how awful he is, how awful he is.

And now you guys are trying to gaslight Ariana to being the bad guy for saying, hey, I just don't want to be around him. Like this just happened. He cheated on her seven month affair with a close friend. I'm like, for me, even objectively, I'd be like, if you're capable of doing that to somebody that you care about, that you love,

that you were with for nine years, why would I be any different as a friend? You know what I mean? Yeah, like there's no trust there whatsoever. No, and he even said to Sheena, we're not friends. Like he verbatim said that and now she's like, he was one of my closest friends. I was like, he literally denied being friends with you

two months ago and now you're crying to his ex. He blocked your daughter on Instagram. For goodness sakes. I can see Sheena's perspective in the sense of, he gave me money during COVID when I was struggling though. Like that was pretty powerful for her to say. Also, it was powerful, but I was a little confused by that. I also alarmed. Yeah, same. How broke was Sheena?

These people have been on TV for a decade. They were on TV when social media became a thing, when making money on social media became a thing. When making money on social media became a thing. So they were on TV in the most lucrative part of the internet. And the reason I say that is because now, yeah, maybe there are more deals to be had today because there are more brands comfortable

with marketing on social media. But now the competition is fierce. Now you have an infinite number of reality TV stars and influencers and TikTokers. When social media, like when swipe ups became a thing, there wasn't that much competition. There were only so many, you know, they weren't even real influencers like there are today.

There were just like reality TV stars. And so the opportunity for the Sheenas and Ariana's and their entire cast of Vanderpump to make fucking bank was there. And I'm just, where did it all go? You know, like, did you not get- What was she spending on? I'm just so confused because also,

also didn't she say PayPal? That's how they send it to you. I was like, huh? How is Tom Sandoval better with money than you are? What? There was many questions there. I had a lot, I was like, huh? Also, and like, I know the, you know, the gender pay gap,

you know, we still have some work to do, but in the influencing world, it's a woman's world. Yeah. You know, like women make 80% more than men. So the fact that Tom Sandoval allegedly has more money than Sheena. She didn't have an Anne in her life. Not most of them what it was.

I don't know. It raises more questions than answers. Well, and she specifically said I didn't have income. Like I was broke and I didn't have income. So it could be more like she felt like she was broke because she didn't have a stream of income. But it was 2020, like forecast members got fired. She didn't.

So I'm like, where, she said, how did you have an income? Yeah, but also social media didn't exist. And I can assure you that while, again, while 2020 was not fun for many, many, many people in this world, technology went through the roof because everyone was home and at their phone and social media blew the fuck up.

That's when TikTok really came out. And there was, I'm just saying, money thrown, there was money being thrown around by tech companies and brands during that time. So I don't know what the fuck Sheena's talking about. Like maybe, I don't know, maybe she needs a new team. I don't know. Also like, way to like casually

throw your husband under the bus. Yeah. He wasn't working either, apparently. You know, it's just like, ah, like, ew. Like, imagine like, you know, publicly being like, yeah, sorry, I don't have an income. I know I'm married and have a husband, but he's worthless. And I need some money from Tom Sandoval.

Like, what a, ew, what a tough scene. When did they move into their house? Well, she, they have, she has a house in Palm Springs, and I'm pretty sure they rent a house in Yeah, I don't know. Maybe that's just made up. I don't know. Maybe that was for the show It doesn't seem to track well She had a house in Marina Del Rey like right on the harbor and I'm like, that's not cheap rent first of all Well because they used to have that place in Hollywood Nick Yeah, we filmed that Brooklyn campaign and she like, we only use this when we're filming

or else just like sits empty. And I'm like, that's expensive rent to sit. That's like, that's four or $5,000 a month. Yeah. Which, you know, when you're a star on a popular reality TV show, you know, like they're making money. I mean, we knew that Raquel made $300, some thousand dollars

and she definitely is not the most paid person. Not even close. So where's- But Raquel had a fake-some thousand dollars and she definitely is not the most paid person. Not even close. So where's... But Raquel had a fake apartment for filming too. It's like they all have multiple places. Yeah. Right, so I do think it has to come down to their team not being, someone's not managing her, right?

Because they're like helping out. I'm on the impression that most of the Vanderpump has a lot of the same team. Yeah, I mean, I know they do to a point, but I would assume they also have like specific people for social media or specific personal assistants. I don't think Riley is the PR person for everyone. I don't think so.

I know they all have like the same managers and whatnot. Lawyer. Yeah, lawyer. Well, that's cause Bravo's like, we're gonna give you somebody. We got you, yeah. I don't know if it was that though. I think that's how it starts.

It's giving me like port-lettered. Right, and then it's like, oh, this person was really good for me, so when you have a cheating scandal, here's who to use. I also really can't get on board with the, I will say, for all of Tom's, like I'm, I can't say that I'm team Tom versus Tom versus Lala,

but I don't get where Lala's coming from. Also, was it recently, I saw't get where Lala's coming from. Also, was it recently? I saw a clip of Lala on her podcast. I don't know how recent it was, but she was talking about when her and James had sex while James was dating Rachel, and she was in a relationship with Randall. And the way she talks about that is so casual. And embedded in the story of her and

James having sex and cheating on Rachel and Randall was a lot of like, justifications. A lot of like, well, Randall had a wife and it was like, and the way she described James and Rachel was, well, they were barely like barely in a relationship, which, hey, listen, say what you want, but he has stayed true to that storyline. I mean, even offline on personal conversations with Tom, Tom has sworn to me, to the point where I believe that he believes it, that Ariana didn't care

about the cheating, that their relationship was really just transactional at that point. Now, again, I believe Ariana, I don't believe Tom, but I believe that Tom believes that justification. And so to hear Lala go on her podcast and talk about her cheating as if it was like not a big deal or there was a reason for it and then lay in to Tom and call him a groomer,

I mean, again, it's 2024. These words. These words are, you're saying, Tom might have fucked up and he might not be the greatest guy or the greatest friend, but don't be throwing, Rachel was an adult woman. Yeah, and we all saw it in the finale. She made her choices.

Yeah, there was no, she wasn't underage. There was no grooming going on. Also I think that's giving him way more credit also. He's not that sophisticated. It wasn't this, he's not a mastermind. And Lala specifically says, you isolate, you groom, you're scary. Yeah, see you can't say those words. That's a full on personal like attack of character

in a way that's not okay. And then how is that different than what she and... Like, again, it's just, the more I watch, like, Lala and Sheena talk about their stuff, the more it's just like, Tom fucked up. But, like, how do they have a leg to stand on? My other question is overall, how long is this going to be the entire storyline of Vanderbump?

I think this has got to be last season. This has got to be last season. This has got to be it, right? Because last season was not great until the end. It was fine, but it wasn't as entertaining. The ratings weren't great until the end. And then obviously it blew up and became great and it was excellent TV.

But now we're just living in the aftermath of this huge scandal. But I'm still enjoying it though. I still am too, but like for how long? I don't know. I don't know either. I'm still every week super excited to watch Vanderbump. That's a good point though,

we're in season 10 finale part seven. Yeah. But we're just re-watching an extension of it. I was like, there's no new storylines. Ariana's clearly outgrown the show. Yeah. I mean, she should not, even if the show goes on, if there is a season 12,

it makes zero sense for Ariana to be a part of it. Right, she shouldn't be. I know maybe for financial reasons she wants to, but she doesn't need to anymore. Clearly, she's doing well. Yeah, she'll have to give something up, but if she maneuvers correctly, she should be just fine. Again, if Sheena really has money problems,

I don't know what these people are doing with their money. Right, where is it going? It's wild to me, but nevertheless, and if Shina really has money problems, I don't know what these people are doing with their money. I don't, it's. Right, where is it going? It's wild to me, but nevertheless, she should be able to survive without it. And if she wants, like, that's the thing, fine. If you don't wanna give her the paycheck, well then, Ariana, then you might have to renegotiate

some of your boundaries. Well, and that's the thing is about her boundaries is like saying she won't film with certain people that are still associating with them. It's kind of telling these people, you're not gonna be in the show because they're gonna follow Ariana in my mind. So it's like, ultimately would they not follow Katie anymore

because she's- As people, I mean, obviously I'm number one Katie fan, team Katie all the way. Same, I love Katie. Same. But from a television standpoint, Ariana is not like, is not it this season. No.

And it's fine. Right. I respect it's like you need me, you can't fire me, I am the focal point, I want my one big payday, but I don't think as fans, given the way Ariana has chosen to play this season I'm not interested in her storyline, but imagine if it was like okay Then you can't also can't talk about me or the affair then this shows over how could she enforce she couldn't but I'm saying

While she is not the person that people really want to watch her personal storylines. She's still a focus I will I would I mean I'll I would watch Tom Sandoval and he's got a new. I mean, I would watch Tom Sandoval, he's got a new girlfriend. I would watch that. I would watch him continue to be messy. I'd probably only watch it for an episode. I think I'd get bored real quick with that. We'll see.

I'm curious about the Valley. That's what I was gonna say. Same, same. Because we had a break from all of them. So I feel like now that we kinda had a break. It's not like I'm, yeah. And I find Jack Taylor to be a despicable human. With great TV.

Yeah. And now we found out that the camera crews picked up, back up, they started filming again post-Brittany and Jax Taylor. But they were hanging out this weekend with Mr. Tom Schwartz and a couple other events. Kristen Doty. Some convention?

That's some convention. Yeah, I saw that. And I also saw that Jax was promoting, was he promoting like a viewing watching party or something with Britney? And I was like, I'm confused. We posted a clip from our conversation last week about Jax Taylor and Britney.

And we put that poll about whether the break was fake or real. I thought it was real or fake. And Kristen, who, love Kristen, and does reply to a lot of my stories, replied to this one, I'm assuming defending her friends, which I get. I get.

And she was like, people are horrible. I don't know if she was referring to us who put up the poll. Or maybe the results. Or the results were that it was fake. Which, defend your friends. But then I saw a clip of Kristin on her podcast acknowledging her screenshotting Tom Sandoval's diary

and throwing Sandoval under the bus. So it's like, pop off on Sandoval, Kristin. There's a lot of hypocritical things going on. You know, criticizing Jax Taylor and questioning the authenticity of his breakup, I don't know if those are bad people just because you are still friends with Jax Taylor and Brittany. And maybe, I just feel like Kristin out of anyone should not, you know, we've certainly talked a lot about Sandoval and bled that storyline dry,

but I feel like Kristen giving her past with Tom and not being able to let go, maybe should not be the one to be screenshotting his journal entries. Did you respond to her? I said, yeah, it's Jax Taylor. Give me a break. She did not reply back.

I was gonna say, you could have pulled a sign and been like, name them. Name them. Name them. Oh, I know this is a preview from next week, but when Sheena was that line. The backup dancer. The backup dancer line. It's strange even like watching Lala and Sheena talk about it, but then also seeing Sheena talk about Ariana like that and you're just like the about it, but then also seeing Sheena talk about Ariana like that and you're just like the side eye,

the smirk and it's just like, you guys are supposed to be friends and yet you're like, she's really come a long way from my backup dancer. I mean, yeah, you guys were all dirt poor, really working at this restaurant. Who are you gonna hire backup dancers? You do favors for your friends. I'm willing to bet that Ariana did it as a favor.

Exactly. Let's assume that Ariana didn't do it as a favor. And let's assume in this bizarre reality of Sheena's that she was actually a pop star. That she actually had a couple smash hits, right? Sorry. Let's assume from this ultimate universe that, yeah. Exactly, that she was, she had her moment. Why would you go on a show, an episode after you told everyone that you needed to borrow money from Tom Zandoval,

just to remind people just how far you've fallen? You know what I'm saying? Like you don't go on a show and be like, well, she's coming a long way from being my backup dancer. Listen, it's a tale as old as time that, you know, someone used to be the backup dancer for so-and-so, and now they're the it person. That happens all the time, that you get surpassed by people.

You know, I couldn't imagine some of my peers who also have podcasts being like, Nick's come a long way from being a guest on our podcast. and then you get surpassed by people. You know, I couldn't imagine some of my peers who also have podcasts being like, Nick's come a long way from being a guest on our podcast. I mean, like, yeah. Great. And now, and now- But also, like you said, like,

they're supposed to be friends. I can't imagine, and I would never say something like that about one of my friends. It's such a bizarre- I don't understand. There's an interview resurfacing right now, and I believe it's about Dancing with the Stars, but someone asked Ariana,

who do you think would be good for the show? Ariana goes, Sheena. So it's on the other side, Sheena's going, well, you stole my moment. You knew I always wanted that. And I was like, that is not how Dancing with the Stars works. Sheena's out there just like, and maybe that's where her money's going.

She's taking classes for shows she's not even casted on. How many, what other competition shows has she been training for that she didn't get to go on? Do you think she trained for special forces? She trained for special forces. She hired some like a SWAT team, you know? Oh my gosh. She got some like master quiz person.

She's like training for Jeopardy. Truly. You know, like. She's working with for Jeopardy. Yeah, truly. She's working with Johnny Bananas, training for the challenge. Yeah, maybe that's where all our cash is going. She's like, it's just not paying off, guys. I'm doing all the work. Paying $20,000 coaches. I'm just PayPal.

Yeah, I just- PayPal's open. Why would you remind people that even if you were in truth, like a former pop star, to have that line to be like, yeah, now I'm borrowing money from my co-stars and now I'm super jealous I'm not on Dancing with the Stars, which I loved my time on Dancing with the Stars. It was great. I would love to go on again, you know? But it's also like not the show that you like... Aspire to go on?

Yeah, that you're like, oh my God, that's just it for me. That's that's my moment. You know, like Mirabal, where it's like famously known as the show or like celebrities like it's like their last hurrah. Right. You know, not this. That's not what it was for me or Zendaya. No, no. And there's been some exceptions. Yeah, there's been some exceptions.

But for the most, is a complete exception. Totally. That's like part of totally. But it also is often known as the show where it's just like your final paycheck. Like, oh, they must need the money, but. Well, clearly she does. She does. Yeah, what a tough episode for Sheena.

Anyways, Housewives. Over the Hills Reunion. This episode two is much better than episode one. Very giving. We got to it. We got into a lot. I think, I do not understand the, why is everyone coming after Kyle the way they are? I don't, I mean, I get it.

I understand from a standpoint of Kyle and Mauricio seem to be fine teasing their relationship breakup and not wanting the other housewives to talk about it I get that a little bit but some of the other things that they're giving Kyle shit for who do you feels attacking her the most? Maybe not attacking but spotlighting Sutton. It seems like okay, and that's a read a bit, too Yeah I kind of feel like Sutton kind of has been the whole season where I'm like, I feel like she's just been ready to talk about Kyle and Mauricio from the jump and she's like, why

won't you talk about it? And like, as Kyle pointed out, she's like, your storyline is a dating coach and a horse in your stop. So it's like, I don't know, I always feel like when a big scandal drops, it kind of lets the other housewives be a little lazy because then they're like, well, we don't really have to focus on that because we can talk about Kyle and Mauricio. And that's fine. Go after Kyle and get her to talk about it.

But Sutton doesn't want to talk about anything. No, no. At all. If you want Kyle to talk about her breakup, you can't get so offended when Kyle wants to drink up your drinking. You know, because Sutton's like, how dare you? How dare you question how much drinking I'm doing?

It's like, well, you want me to, I don't understand. It's funny when it's like, it's only cute when I say it kind of thing. Where she's like, oh yeah, I carry my ocean spray in my purse and it's cute when she says it. But then if someone's like, maybe she puts a little vodka in her coffee. Like it's like these two things kind of go together.

Yeah, and I don't know, why is it always so taboo to bring up how much drinking some people do? Cause we all have those friends, you know, where it's like every party, they're passed out on the bus at the end of the party. It's like, oh, here they go again. You know, like, and you know, fuck, in bachelor nation, it's like the worst kept secret, some people's drinking problems, you know, and it's just like, we're not allowed to talk about it because somehow that's deeply offensive,

but like they're the ones showing up fucking hammered to every fucking event or slurring their words online. And it's just like, how dare we address like the fact that they're always fucked up. It's like, it's kind of wild to me, but I don't understand why. But we're going to flip the script and now get mad at Kyle for trying to choose a healthy lifestyle. Right. Like how dare she work out and, and she work out and stop drinking and get a tattoo. And get a tattoo. Yeah, they seem so offended

that Kyle's getting her shit together while facing what it must be, a very difficult breakup. And she's working out, she's making new friends, she's doing the things that on our Ask Nick episodes, we're always investing, invest in yourself. Focus on yourself, be a better person, you can't control other people, so just do your best to be your best self.

That is literally what Kyle seems to be doing. And all the other housewives are like, what the fuck? How dare you? Holy shit, how dare you get your shit together? They're so deeply offended by Kyle making healthy choices for herself, it is so fucking wild. Really? I love Sutton though. Like I'm team Sutton to the end.

I mean, as a person, we love Sutton, you know, but. Well, I feel like to an extent, she's asking the questions that everybody wants to ask. And Sutton is that like fan favorite where she's carrying the baton. So for me, I'm like, ask all the questions. Well, in my mind, I feel like Andy doesn't ask the questions that everybody wants to ask.

So he's hoping that Sutton will chime in for that because he feels he can't because he's getting paid by Bravo, like in my mind. I mean, so is she, but ultimately she can say whatever she wants. Well, I can't, I mean. I mean, he doesn't a lot of the time. He does sometimes, but like he won't push.

Like even with Erica, he was like. He rarely pushes. With Erica, he was like, like, do you have anything to say about the victims when you sat down? Oh my God, that's so weird. That was so weird. And she's just so uncomfortable. No. She's like, no. No.

You did a whole special talking to the victims, but you can't tell us why. Like, what do you mean? Yeah, why did you call, I can't talk about why. Which maybe She's like, no. You did a whole special talking to the victims but you can't tell us why. Yeah, why did you call, I can't talk about that. Which maybe it's a legal thing. No. I also should have pushed more on it, I thought. I think she is selling it as a legal thing, but we just watched it.

Yeah. I think it didn't land and she didn't know how to address it, so then she's painting it. I say this every week, but I, I, I, I don't want to criticize Erica. I feel like I have some loyalty to her because I've met her on Dancing with the Stars and she was,

I thought, just lovely. Delight. But she's so fucking cagey about this whole fucking case. And it just comes across as kind of scandalous and fucked up. And I, oh, it's just like, it is really hard to get on board with it, Erika. She's the opposite of Lindsay Hubbard. She's like, we don't talk about it, period. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. She's not even like, I used the wrong words. She's just like, no. No. And that's all I'm gonna say on that. We're just like, but what? You're looking worse. You're looking worse because you already said more. She looks so guilty.

Yeah. Again, you did a whole special talking to these victims. You can't tell me one reason. Why is she so offended by Garcelle questioning Tom's like- It was Crystal. Competency. Well, Crystal or Garcelle, that side of the aisle, so to speak.

Is dementia? It's definitely Crystal, Garcelle and Sutton. Versus Duree, Kyle and Plunder Briss. Those three are united front. Those three are truly friends in real life and they fucking hate Duree. Fucking hate her. Garcelle hates her.

But why is, why it's like Tom Girardi, who is known to have lied to, according to Erica, lied Erica. And then the whole world and all of his clients. And Erica seems offended that Tom might be lying about his diagnosis of dementia, when you don't think that Tom, a lawyer, who must know the legal system inside and out,

thought to himself, he's gonna lean into his age and feign a false diagnosis so that maybe he won't be able to be held accountable. And then she's deeply offended by that? That doesn't track. Why are you in any way defending Tom Erica? I almost feel like it's like, because if they figure out that he is mentally aware

or stable or whatever, Erica might feel like that invalidates her case or everything she's been fighting for. And then on the flip side, Crystal, her father suffered with dementia. So like, of course she's going to question it. Yeah. And she's making valid points. So it's like, this is four years ago. His diagnosis hasn't seemed to progress.

Why is he allowed to? Why is he allowed to do this if he really has said diagnosis? Again, and we're talking about a lawyer who knows how to work the legal system. He was also like a top lawyer too. Top lawyer, not like a random. Yeah, like we're talking like number,

like up there in his field. So it's like he knows the ins and outs. For someone who claims to have done nothing wrong, she sure seems like she is trying to maneuver around a lot of potential landmines that she, like her hand was stuck in the cookie jar for sure. There's also that scene from last season, remember when Erica was explaining the accident

and it's like, it was like a viral moment and she's like, Tom rolled his car and then hit his head. She fell off a cliff and then did this and then did that. Good 12 step accident. Yeah. They were like, wait, what happened? So like, it's like the adding up of it, cause one second it was like, no, I don't talk to Tom at all.

Then it's Tom calls every day. So I also feel like it's like, she's just gotten to a point where it's like, I can't say anything further because it's all recorded. Like it's all on film. So it's just like, she says, Tom calls every day now, but doesn't realize that he's not practicing law, but is also like in and out of a courtroom every day.

So it's just like, but he doesn't look any worse. I don't know. It's a mess. It's what it is. Can we talk about Sutton's $3.6 million annual after taxes? I love how she threw out after taxes. It was 300,000 per month after taxes. After taxes.

So that's why that's $3.6 million, right? Who's her ex-husband? Well, 300 times 12. Oh, yeah, you're sorry. Yeah. Y'all. Big math. That's a great thing.

Yeah. That's crazy. Absurd. But now we understand why she has a hard time, you know, why he has so much control over her. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. Absurd. And now we understand why she has a hard time, why he has so much control over her. Yeah. Well, because I'm sure he must, granted, he must, every time he doesn't get his way,

threaten to take her to court to reduce that. Well, I think there's also a clause, because it's obviously her settlement, that she can't get remarried, obviously, or else the payments stop. And so I think that's also part of why the dating coach was such a big thing, like, as if it's like, I'm not intentionally not trying to find somebody,

but I don't know why my cat sweaters and weird conversation is just not working out for me. Like, I think it's her alibi. She's like, I will, I'm trying to date. I'm trying to move on. I hate getting these payments. Her ex asking her to move to London with him is insane. Is it though?

I think so. For $3.6 million a year. Well, you could just wire that. That doesn't have to be like, right next to you. No. He's giving her a half. That's so much money. He's giving her at least a half a million dollars a month.

That's just wild. That's so much money. But her life is in LA. So it's like. No, her life is her ex husband. Yeah, she a million dollars a month. That's just wild. That's so much money. But her life is in LA. So it's like- No, her life is her ex-husband. Yeah, she wouldn't have a life if it wasn't for her. She wouldn't, but it'd be very different. He did make his money with her. So they made the money together.

So I will say she was a part of that. How did he make his money? I think he's like an investor, stockbroker. You mean like they were married when he got it? He didn't have money when they married and they made the money together. So she was like supporting him throughout that. Gotcha.

Either way. I'm a science guy. So I defend her. He's like, I'm going to that forever. So I mean, maybe I'm like biased. Get your money. I mean, like I would, who's saying no to it? No one's gonna say no to it.

No one would say no to it. But it just, it is a fascinating dilemma because- Yeah, it is the least she could do, I guess. I know you guys are younger and you're all gonna be rich someday, but like, whatever amount of money you have, when you start making more money, they really... Like, you do spend more money and you immediately just get used to, like, as your life elevates,

you just find ways to spend more money. So Sutton has carved out a very specific life that is... that it would be very hard to give up, which again, this is where I empathize with Erica. Like to have your life ripped from you and have to go back to whatever life that you used to have is humbling and difficult for a lot of people. Some people make some very terrible choices

when faced that dilemma. You know, like when you lose the life that you had and you have to go back to a life that you had 15, 20 years ago, some people literally can't do it. Right. And so I empathize with the dilemma that Sutton is in to a certain extent, because, you know,

I mean, now she can certainly buy whatever solution to her problems that she has. Yes. I wanna know what the original like numbers are because usually a settlement means that there was negotiations. Like did we start off at 500 and then go, I guess I'll be okay with 300.

Like how did we get to the number 300? Just stab in the dark. Well, she also said she had a team that, I forgot what it's called, but a team that like analyzes all of the assets and then figures out those numbers. Oh geez, Louise. So I mean, it paid off in her out those numbers. Oh, geez, Louise.

So I mean, it paid off in her favor. Amen. Yeah, good for her. I'll say. I will say Anne-Marie was interesting because she tackled onto that conversation. Well, in the sense that she said like, she made a comment where she's like,

well, the world that I'm in, like we don't talk about money, but the world that I'm in. That is a, she did make a good point there. I mean, I like, I just, I don't think there's much of any upside to talking about your money. No. I don't know, I think transparency about money is good.

For who? I don't know, just, like in the workplace. Same. Yeah. To what degree? I mean, I just think you put a target on your back. Here we are, and here we are talking, Sutton's coming out, she's like, I make this.

Yeah, we're having fun with it, but like, you know, we're indirectly judging Sutton, and now we have these expectations of what, you know, we think her life should or shouldn't be, and we have a lot less empathy for her now than we did before, you know? When you brag about your money, it just puts a spotlight on you that,

it's just like your ego loves it, but then I just don't, what's the upside other than putting a target on your back? I feel like bragging about it is definitely different than that's what she's, I mean, saying. Yes, absolutely, she was. But I think transparency in general, I know like for me, before five years ago

in the workplace, like as a journalist, none of the other reporters, none of us would talk about what we were getting paid because it's a competition. Now, like the new journalists that come up, I'm like, if you wanna talk to me about it, I'll be honest with you. Here's what I think you deserve.

Here's what I'm making. I've been in this five years longer. I'm open to it. Oh, I think that's great. Okay, so that's the transparency that I'm talking about. I think especially for women. I'm gonna go online and brag about, I just got this. When you're making some coin

and you have some disposable income and you're bragging about your disposable income, that's different. Yeah. I think it's a risk. No, for her, it does give us context though, which is nice. Right. I wanna know. As a viewer, I love it.

As a viewer, I want to know how much each one of them has in their bank account. Yeah, it's like, I wanna know that, I wanna,. I want to know how much each one of them has in their bank account Yeah, I want to know that I want it Yeah I want to know how Shana lost all her money like the same thing like all of that the same kind of conversation Well, I took Anne Marie's comment as like I'm in a different world as the rest of the woman right which was interesting Which is what poor yeah or like in comparison I think she's trying to say like she is a rich wealthy as she said person outside of the shows what she's trying to imply

But I was kind of said she has a lot of wealthy, as she said, person outside of the show is what she's trying to imply. And I was kind of- She said she has a lot of wealthy friends. Which that's how I took it and I was like, honey, this is the wrong audience. But she was like, we, from the world I come from, we don't talk about things like that. And I was like, you're sitting in a room

full of wealthy women, I don't know. Genuinely. That's a very common, but. Kathy Hilton's about to walk out, relax. Yeah. Poirot, what an iconic moment where Kathy's getting her face painted. And that's where she decides to talk the most shit

about her sister. She goes, I probably shouldn't say this, but. I did. And I said, while watching it to Natalie, I'm like, why would they air this this way? And Natalie reminded me, well, that's when she said it. And I was like, oh yeah that's when she said it. And I was like, oh yeah, I guess you're right.

So like. Kathy's like queen of a hot mic moment or like an off camera moment. So it's like the, it doesn't surprise me at all that she's like. This time they have the cameras. Do you think this is a preview of her being on next season? I do.

I think they're teasing Kathy and, what's that my sister's name? Kim. Kathy, Kim returning. That would be awesome. And they've said- If Kim returns, that'd be amazing. They've said Teddy's name like five times already. So I feel like she might be returning for whatever reason. That'd be also awesome. Denise has been mentioned, so I think she's returning.

Aubrey back. I think there's a lot of friends though. Yeah, the OGs would be really great. Who are we getting rid of? Hopefully Anna Marie, but it doesn't seem like it. Why do you keep saying that? I think just cause she's like doing her press tour with the rest of the women.

The fact that she's even in the reunion the whole time. And like as I said, there's the friends of, will come out for a segment during the second reunion and walk back off. She has been out there. She got her diamond from first appearance. It's really hard for me to believe that they're gonna kick her off.

They're really trying. And then they did the whole background story as to why she behaved the way that she did. So it's giving us empathy for her in her current situation. And hopefully we'll see her shine her next season. That's... If she couldn't shine this season, how is she gonna shine on a season with Kathy,

Kim, Kyle, Denise, Tati? Oh my God. It is tough competition. She goes, oh, guys. Anne-Marie over here. Who's on right now? The Crystal Sutton. I think Andy yawning at the re is a sign

that she might be next. And three years in a row? Three years in a row. It's embarrassing for her. Don't you dare. He was even irritated. I thought that was funny. I thought that was a funny moment.

I thought she was joking in a way. No, she's serious. No, she's dead serious. Oh, wow. I thought that was funny. I thought that was a funny moment. I thought she was joking in a way. No, she's serious. No, she's dead serious. Oh wow. Yeah, I don't know. He was like not even, he was like in one of the flashbacks, he like barely, he like swallowed his own. Yeah, he tried to swallow it.

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AD. Ah, devastating. Left at the altar. Poor AD. You guys, my jaw dropped. Like I was just like, it's wild that we, that like, that world, we're watching Jimmy and Chelsea where Jimmy has the respect for Chelsea to be like,

hey, I can't see us getting married. And Jimmy just seems to like, oh, what do you want from me? What can I do? And then you let AD get all the way up there in a dress walk down there your families are sitting there Bro was making milking it to the end so rude In like his vocal pauses like his almost you know like his you know when he was producing himself yes You know, when- He was producing himself. Yes.

100% I was like, is this man a producer? Who's telling him to pause like this? This is insane. Yeah, and then, you know, when she's talking, he affirmed every word she said. And you look so good, babe. You're so, oh my God, I'm so happy. I mean, the salesmanship.

Yeah, it was gross. I mean, I would say his parents ended up coming out almost as like the MVPs. I thought that it was very impressive that his mom was, you don't usually see parents have an honest conversation like that on camera, and I give them a lot of credit for allowing that to be on camera. Well, I don't know if dad had much of a choice.

That's true. Yeah, I don't know if dad. So I give her a lot of credit for bringing it up on camera. I really honestly would love to check in with Clay and the fam, because I'd be willing to bet that in that moment that we got to see, like I don't think his dad had any clue what had been discussed all season long. Yeah, you're probably right.

Do you think Clay was like, hey, by the way, man, I've been talking a lot about you pops. It's not great. And it's not great. I've basically taken all of my bad behavior and completely blamed you for it, which might be a valid excuse. You know? Sure, I'd say it's a valid excuse to the star.

You can't. Except that when you are self-aware enough to know. Sure. It's like, you know. But then don't go to the altar. That's what I'm saying. But like as an adult, just in general, like when you start saying, well, this happened to me,

this was my trauma, I had to experience X, Y, or Z, great to recognize. And it does take some time to recognize and reflect on what you've had to experience. But I kind of feel like in that moment, and again, I say this is one guy's opinion, not a therapy or any type of professional mental health expert of any kind.

But I feel like on a personal level, you cease to be able to use that then as an excuse for your own behavior, because now you're at least acknowledging is that A, the behavior you have is bad, and B, that you know where it came from, so well maybe you still have work to do, the work needs to be done, And until said work is done, then you shouldn't be doing the things

that cause you to be a liability. Right. You know, like maybe be on a really TV show where a wedding is weeks away. Yeah. So it's kind of like, yeah, great. You know, it's your dad this and your dad that, but again, you're self-aware enough, Clay, to know.

And now it just sounds like an excuse. I'm afraid that it's gonna affect A.D. poorly in the long run, because she was so red flags with him in the beginning, because he had said, I'm not gonna do this unless you tell me what you look like or whatever, the creepy thing he said in the pods, that she ended up working past and getting past with him.

But every red flag she had ended up being kinda true. Once she had a powerful line where she said, "'I feel like a sacrifice. "'You learn so much about yourself, "'like you use me to do it.'" And she's like, "'So I was just a pawn or a stepping stone.'" Do you think he learned so much about himself?

Yeah, I don't think so. I thought maybe until- Well, he kept saying- He didn't. In defense to Clay, I think he really thought they were gonna date afterwards. That's insanity to me.

Why? If you bring her to the altar, if he had said it a couple days before or two days before and was like, listen, I wanna date you, I'm in love with you, whatever it is I've been saying to you, but I'm not ready to get married, maybe. He kind of did though.

They had a conversation where he said that he wasn't ready. Right. He was worried about, you know, the cheating. And AD said, okay, I get that, but I'm here to get married. And I am not interested in dating after this. But don't go to the altar. Right, then don't go to the altar. Right, and this isn't the way that you're gonna,

like have another conversation. Also, I got so annoyed with him kept being like, I'm worried about the cheating, like, as if he would be just forced to cheat. It's something that happens to him. Yeah, like, it's a genetic disorder. Like, I get that, like, okay, you're tempted easier than other people, sure, that's a thing, but like, you also are an adult who has self-control.

Don't cheat if you don't wanna cheat. You know, we all, you know, it's like, you know, when we talk You know, it's like, you know, when we talk about our parents' bad behavior, you know, it goes one of two ways, right? It's like, sometimes if people's parents have a drinking problem, some of them, sadly, end up having a drinking problem

of themselves. Or sometimes it's like, I never fucking touched that shit. Or I don't smoke because my parents both had lung cancer or whatever. Sometimes you learn from your parents' bad behavior because they're an example of what you don't wanna be. So maybe you don't put yourself in those situations that you would be tempted.

And Clay is talking about, Clay is showing the type of self-awareness that would suggest I don't wanna be like my father. And yet using his father's behavior as an excuse not to actually get married to AD. That's wild. Well, on the internet, I was speculating that he knew,

like him and his family knew that he wasn't gonna say yes, or I do, because if you look at their outfits, they're not put together as much. Like his sister's wearing a dress the color of your pants, but in like a neon pink hair clip. Clay's brother showed up in a tank top. That's a thing, so yeah. Yeah, full tank top.

So people are thinking that he gave them a warning, like look, we're not gonna actually get married. Yeah, cause like imagine- Do you think producers knew? Of course. Why would he, I wonder what they offered him. They were like, if you go to the altar. Yeah, to me, it's just like,

there's no way he comes out looking good in that. What's the benefit for him to go all the way to the altar if he knew he was gonna say no? My guess is, when the conversation went something like, and the truth is about reality TV, you never really know. Here's where producers of any show kind of get away with it. And what sucks is that they're right when they say it, but to the detriment to the person they're saying it to.

Perfect example, we already referenced Ari, right? So I don't know this to be a fact, but from my own experience, I'm assuming when Ari went to the producers and said, hey, I've changed my mind, I wanna be with Lauren, I don't wanna be with Becca, that Ari did not have to put that on camera. He didn't have to do that.

And I'm certain, without knowing for certain. And the same thing that happened on Caitlin's season of The Bachelorette. And this actually, it didn't really affect her negatively and it affected me positively. Is that like, you have to give that person their moment, so to speak. I felt like

a fool when I went all as far as I did on Caitlin's season but her bringing me as far as she did gave me arguably my best moment on that show. And AD, who is the star of this episode? AD. Why? Because Clay did what he did to her. Becca Kufrin ended up being the Bachelorette. Why? Because Ari was willing to give Becca her moment and fall on the sword. I think Ari doesn't get enough credit for what he did because I honestly think Ari knew that he was gonna get some punches and it was almost like a gift to Becca and people can say what they want. It's like, oh we don't need to thank Ari.

But he didn't need to do that. And had Ari just broke up with Becca, not on camera and just been like, hey, I just realized that Becca and I, we just weren't compatible and I couldn't stop thinking about Lauren. And all we saw was AFR of Ari telling us this story and then Becca coming out and telling us the story. Like he would have got a little bit of heat, but like nothing to the degree that he got by agreeing to film it. But him agreeing to film it made Becca Kufrin the star that she is. And so do you think he took, sorry, we're going off the going off a little bit. Do you think he was like had to be convinced? I don't know. I don't know if there is, but I do think that it's possible that almost Clay did that for AD.

Was told like this is gonna make AD look really good. If that did happen, it wouldn't have been a lie. It's a fact. Of course, of course. The best moment anyone ever has on reality TV is when they're broken up with. At least on like love shows, like The Bachelor or Love is Blind, which most people go on those shows,

you have to remind them because they feel embarrassed, they don't want that to happen, but your most vulnerable moment is your best moment. And most of these people aren't actors and aren't capable of being fake and vulnerable. And so you have to have some scene like this where anyone in your shoes would be devastated and then any time you show poise like AD did

and just empowerment like AD did, you're a fucking rock star. So like Clay did put it, you know, he gave her a fucking softball down the middle and AD hit it out of the park, but without Clay doing what he did, AD never has that moment. And I'm not saying we need to praise Clay for it,

but it is just a little BTS of reality TV that I think sometimes, like it's critical at size, Clay, and I don't think the internet is losing their mind on Clay like they did Ari. But sometimes a little perspective is in order. I mean, because we talked about this before, but like the deep D moment, that was like her moment. That was her moment.

Yeah, after she got screwed over. And I do think with Shane, what's his name? Shake or whatever, he was just a creepy, weird little guy. I don't think he deserves any credit, but he gave her that moment, you know? And like she doesn't get that moment without, like I always say, you don't have a good hero without a good villain, you know? And she doesn't get that moment without, like I always say, you don't have a good hero without a good villain.

Right. And I will always say, Luke Parker from Hannah Brown's season will never get the credit he deserves because that man was an amazing villain. A great villain. And it made Hannah Brown, Tyler Cameron, Pete Weber, and everyone else in that show just pop because he was so fucking easy to hate.

For sure. Yeah. I forgot about him. Excellent TV. Excellent. Jimmy, Chelsea, break up finally. He actually thought they were gonna date, it seemed like. He was like, I love you to death.

I know, right? Now they've been spotted together again, but I don't think so. I think that's all for clout. Same. But for him to be like, oh, I love you to death. I wanna date you. I just don't wanna marry. And I'm like, I think I love you to death, I want to date you, I just don't

want to marry. And I'm like, I think there's no way he actually wanted to date her. I think he just didn't want to be an asshole. 100%. Yeah. I don't know. He's kind of giving me Stockholm syndrome. I'm like, I think they're dating and I think he was like, maybe not, maybe not. And now that it's like, oh, I could lose you, let's give this a shot for real. I don't know. I think it's too much of a coincidence you're seeing stuff now.

Think about it. They've filmed this over a year ago, and these people have all been living in the same city for the past year, and now all of a sudden, they're being caught in the wild together, but weren't caught in the wild together prior to this. We didn't know who they were But we weren't looking for it. I was gonna say, we didn't know who they were

or what they were looking for. That might be true. They could have been dating this entire time. But I think what's more likely is that these are two people who did have this craziest experience together and despite them not getting married, like there probably are still actual friends and there are a few people in this world

who can relate to this crazy experience that they all experienced. So like they just are actual friends because it's like, all right, clearly we're not married. We're not gonna, you know. A couple months went by, the tension wore off, the feelings in there were just like, yeah, well this is, actually it's cool to be friends

with you, it's cool to be able to talk about this experience with you. And I'm almost certain that's what it is and that's nothing more. Are you saying that Chelsea has now become the friend that needs to be introduced to the next girl that you slept with in the past? Yeah, you're right.

Chelsea is now... Chelsea's probably part of the throttle. She probably is part of that. Yeah. She's collecting. She's probably besties with them. Well, I am excited. Again, we do have A.D. on this episode of Going Deeper.

So we do get to ask her about what she thought leading up to it, her feelings about Clay, Clay's family's attire we even get into, if there was anything after post, you know what, like, because it's always interesting because like there is obviously a connection between these two. And even though like Clay doesn't wanna get married,

it is definitely a possibility for these two people to be like, sure, you know, this is crazy. Let's try. Let's try. So we get in it all of it with AD, so certainly on an episode you will not want to miss. And then Jeremy, boy, that press keeps coming out about him. Oof.

Ew. What is that, the most recent bad press? That tasteofreality.com. That he pulled a gun on his ex-girlfriend. His ex-girlfriend made a three or four part series on TikTok. And continuing, she's on four parts, she's resettling it.

Yeah. Oh my gosh, is it gonna be a 50 parter? That's like the thing too, cause it's like obviously with all the stuff that's come out with people on TikTok and you're trying to take everything objectively, the way that she's talking about their past, he displays the same behavior, like, on, with him and Laura's fight,

how it was like the, I don't talk to her, like, storming around the house, but not wanting to communicate. And so it's like her whole story is that they were getting into a fight, and he was like following her around the house. And at one point, allegedly pulls a gun on her. And yeah, so. Her name is Catrina. Yeah, and she says that they,

she was at a work event or something and he like even popped in on it. And then they went home and he was acting upset. And then he left the room at one point and then came back in and allegedly he had a gun pointed at her. And she thought that he was gonna shoot her right then and there, but then he pulled,

and this is all alleged, he pulled the gun down and she ran out, called the cops. And in the bushes. Is there a police report? There has to be, right? Apparently the cops came, they searched his home and asked him if he had any tactical or military training experience and if he's a drug dealer.

Because the guns were strategically placed around the house. Oh, that's alarming. Yeah. So if we thought that the Hawaiian shirts- Claire had to have been a police report. Yeah, she was afraid of the Hawaiian shirts. The Hawaiian shirts on a jet ski was an issue. Think again.

You said something earlier this season where you're like, you think Jeremy is not dangerous, but you use a specific word. Well, Laura said that his house looked like it was that of a serial killer. That's what it was. Yeah. Laura said that. If there's anyone who that of a serial killer. That's what it was. Yeah. Laura said that. Like if there's anyone who could potentially be Jeremy, he's very...

There were some red flags there, but I think Laura handled it like a champ. At least she's out of it, you know? Yep. He gave Laura that moment. Yeah. So... I'm out. But then it looks like for the reunion, she's zooming in though.

She's zooming in, yeah. She had a work thing in Spain. I do feel like, it sounds like we do get a lot of, even some of these B characters on the show. Yeah, we get the guy with the mullet. Trevor. Yeah, like some of these B, like. The ones who didn't find love.

Yeah, but have been immersed in the scandal, it sounds like we get some answers. Yeah, because there was a lot of relationships pre-show, sounds like. as we get some answers. Yeah, because there was a lot of relationships pre-show, sounds like. I usually interview the showrunner and creator before the season, and this season I waited and I figured I'd wait until after I see the reunion,

because I think I'm gonna have a lot of questions. So I assume I will be asking a lot about, I ask every time, but about kind of just what they look into, because it's strange to me that people can still do this, where they go on and have relationships at home. Well, thinking about background checks, I usually defend the show. This Jeremy alleged story, again, if there's a police report, when they are doing background checks, that's what they're doing. They're doing, is there a police report? You know, they do psych checks.

I mean like a credit score might tell something. I don't know if they actually do a credit score, but those are like things they could easily do, right? It's like, it seems like a lot of fans when they hear background checks are expecting these shows to do like these incredible internet deep dives on not only the people they cast, but all the people they don't cast.

So it's not like they're doing background checks on the 30 people they have on the show. It would have to be on the hundreds of people that they're considering. And like, also you don't know what you don't know. How can they find a photo on the internet that maybe someone else took that you didn't tag? You know, maybe in a few years when AI takes off,

it might be easier, but nowadays, that's not that, you know, it's not that easy to do, and they can't account for every person they ever dated ever. How can you do a background, you know, and that's where all this tea is coming from. That being said, if there was an actual police report, then it doesn't make, how does he end up on the show?

Right, I thought about that too, because I was like, I obviously want like, this woman seems believable, but I'm hesitant to believe it, because like, wouldn't casting have seen a police report? They would have, yes. Yes, a police report would be something they would flag immediately.

I'm always skeptical of the exes of reality TV stars who come on, it's usually a lot of clout chasing. I think there is even, I think we talked about this, Love is Blind Minneapolis, the cast list has been leaked and like everyone in Minneapolis is like losing their fucking mind because Midwest City, it's like, holy shit, they're coming to our town and like the cast list got released

and then there's exes of these potential cast members coming out making these accusations about some of these guys and in the comments there is one comment one of the girls who's talking about one of the guys I don't even know who the person they're talking about I just I've been made aware of the comments in the comments and I believe you can still find it it's out there is that her saying, I hope the Batchelor producers see this so they cast me on the show. Like her calling out her own clout chasing.

She probably should have waited for that season to air. You cease to be crone-believable. Right, and that's what sucks is because then if this woman is telling the truth, which who knows, it's like people are gonna discredit her because they're like, oh, she's clout chasing. It's like because there are so many people

who are doing it strictly just to have their 15 minutes, it discredits the ones who are victims of these people. But the big question is, is there a police report? Because something like this, if they call the cops, there would have to be. And if there is a police report, how do they end up on the show? Because when they do background checks,

I can assure you they run a police report. Yes, that would show up. And those are the little ways. I will do a deep dive after this. Please. I mean, she sat there and was like, I'm run a police report. Yes, that would show up. And those go away. I will do a deep dive after this. Please. I mean, she sat there and was like, I'm not a content creator. I didn't come on here to, you know,

but I feel like I need to share my story, trigger warning, X, Y, Z. And then as I said, she was gonna say, but she's also on a four part series, so. Click and follow, and also here's a link to my merch. Stringing 50. CAA, are you listening? Yeah, exactly. CAA signed, what's Riza?

Riza-diza? So. Like, I don't, I'm not here to be a star, but like, if I happen to be one. Here's my story. Yeah, here's my story. But yeah, it will. Yeah. Jeremy.

Okay. Jeremy. Jeremy. Bachelor. At the time. It's a bachelor. I loved this episode of The Bachelor. Tell me more.

It was like, it was fantasy suites. I don't know, I just think we got to see other sides of Joey, and I know this is gonna be like a weird take, but I liked seeing like, the bachelor have to do a real life scenario, where it's like, you're at the hospital taking care, like showing like, what it would be like to be in an actual relationship,

and not this like, super produced date. But yeah, no, I thought Joey was really sweet. I think they leaned in though. I think they leaned in too. I remember her jaw being broken. No. To her being, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I mean, she's a relatable one. He was like, are you okay? And she's like, I'm fine. I'm fine. I know, I felt that too. I was like, oh, this is every girl.

This is every girl. I mean, so me. I don't doubt that, like, she really, like, I think she was really hurt when it happened. And probably, probably wasn't a lot of pain. But a pain that subsided without any significant injury. Probably didn't need to go to the hospital. Like five minutes later, she's like, you know what?

Honestly, I'm okay. They could have maybe used an ice pack and an Advil. Why is it that getting hurt is so embarrassing? Right, why are we ashamed of this? I don't know. Like I fall and I'm like, I'm so embarrassed. You're apologizing, you almost apologized. That's how I feel too.

I'm so sorry, to the sidewalk. I'm so sorry. No, I also think that there's like a little of anxiety too where I'm just like, if I were her, I'd be like, no, no, no, I don't need to go to the hospital, this date is not over, I am having my full, like I feel like there's a bit of a fear that like, if something goes wrong or she's diagnosed

needs medical attention, then it's like. Yeah, she's such a people pleaser, which is like to me so relatable, but also like it makes me happy that he kept pushing, like no, it's fine if you're not okay. Like, it's not a big deal. We're good. Well, and Joey gave us just a little,

I mean, we know so little, almost nothing about Joey's past or dating history or how he feels about relationships or what it means to be a partner. We don't know anything. But we got a little bit of a taste about an alleged past relationship. Like, you know, we don't know anything. But we got a little bit of a taste about an alleged past relationship. We don't even know if it was a girlfriend,

a situationship, like a summer fling. But at some point he interacted with a person who I guess didn't make him feel always the best. I would love to know more. But we did get a little bit of, just a little bit of context. Yeah, a tiny bit. I've been on the Kelsey train all season. I called it from the start.

Last week I was a little on the fence. I was starting to doubt myself. But to me it is so obvious this episode that Kelsey's his girl. The make out on the counter the morning of is what sold me more than anything. Even before that, that dead giveaway was, first of all, it started, you know, they had a little like moment with, you know, the three women left a little bit of a montage

of like Joey's thoughts about them and vice versa. And Joey goes about Rachel, it's like, I'm just like, she brings out a different side of me. I don't know what that is, but it's different. Like, he can't, he's just making up shit. And I get it, because he probably has literally no connection with her whatsoever. And I'm sure Rachel's a lovely, wonderful person.

It's just, it's not there. But he can't even, he can barely, he can barely even make up a line. And then when he's talking about Kelsey, he is talking about how Kelsey makes him feel. And it's meaningful. And when he is sitting down with her, he cares deeply about what she says.

He is locked in, he is invested. And if that wasn't the giveaway or the make out of the next day, what's the saying? Douse protest too much? Douse protest too much? The the show itself trying to misdirect the fuck out of us. Totally. I mean so you have you have the three golden ladies come on you have Susan, Lesley, Sandra and Sandra. Lesley being the runner up from last season, the broken hearted person who comes in to basically just fuck with Kelsey's brain.

Just be like, you might think it's you, it's not you. It's not you. And I don't even think she was, I think she was just. Straight up. Yeah, that was just good producing by the Bradshires, really good, just go. Just tell her what you think.

It's not what you think, just tell her how you feel. I mean, fucked up, who knows what's gonna happen. Lesley's like so heartbroken, yeah. Yeah, and Lesley's not in the know go. Just tell her what you think. Yeah. Just tell her what you think. Just tell her how you feel. I mean, fucked up. Who knows what's gonna happen? Leslie's like so heartbroken, yeah. Yeah, and Leslie's not in the know. She has no idea what's happening. She is just there to talk to Kelsey.

She probably knows absolutely nothing about what's going on. And so she is just being her authentic self, but because she's a couple months removed from being devastated by Gary. I mean, as a two-time runner-up, if I were the person going in, in that moment where someone's like, yeah, I know we have a great connection. I would have been like, just pump the brakes

because you can think it's you and I can promise you, you can be wrong. You guys sound like bridesmaids when Kristen Wiig's like, oh, you guys are in love? That will fade. Yeah. I love that movie. Truly.

So true. But I just don't think it's a coincidence that Leslie is that person and who knows? Like, maybe Joey hasn't decided yet, but like, you know, I'm pretty sure Joey knows who he's picking at this point. Right. I really hated the note situation.

I understand it's a redirect and it's production and all that. I just felt like it was so unnecessary. Like the fantasy suite dates are always exciting enough as it is, dramatic enough as it is. We don't need, I don't need this, like, we need to talk. Who, no one actually writes a note that just says, we need to talk, nothing else.

And I really feel for Kelsey, because there's no way that was like her call. Of course not. And that seems like such, I, you know, I'm really, you know, we're recording this before the episode drops, but it wouldn't shock me if Kelsey catches some heat online about why the fuck would you write a message like that and fuck with Joey?

Yeah. Also he's crying, he's already crying after just the note because he's so nervous about what it is. Sure, because he feels like, oh, Kelsey's gonna break up with me. We're all that person. If you get a text that says we need to talk, I am immediately on a panic attack.

No. Hey, don't get mad. Right. Can I tell you something? All those things that people say to you where you're like- I have to tell you something later. Immediate panic attack. I have to tell you something.

Yeah, we have to talk after work. We need to talk right now. It's more alarming than just saying what it is. I get those from my mom all the time, where she'll just text me in the middle, and she'll be like, don't worry, but can you call me later? Yeah. What? Jesus Christ. We call her now, I'm like, what? Fuck, Jesus Christ.

I call her now, I'm like, what is this? I can't tell my meetings, we're talking right now. She's like, oh, I just wanted to talk to you about this, like you have some mail at my house. I'm like, are you kidding me? I thought someone died. Contacts, contacts. Don't do that.

Yeah, I really feel for Kelsey, because I would suspect the internet is gonna give her a little heat in moments. They're gonna probably criticize her for whining when she should be the one who's getting all the attention. And all these packages where it's Kelsey being like, I'm really struggling here. They have footage on all these women

saying the exact same thing because it's super weird to go to a fantasy suite. And even though you know how the show works, you know going in that this is gonna happen. And then you do it, and then you're just like, you know that you're sitting and being like, the person I was with, and no matter what happens, whether they're intimate or not,

you know that that person who you wanna get engaged to, who you love, is in bed with someone else. That they're spending a night with someone else. Even if you're confident in your relationship, you've all heard too many stories of past leads like gigging on with multiple people. I will say, as someone who's in a new relationship for the first time in 10 years,

going in, watching, this was the first time watching the fantasy suites that I was like, oh my gosh, this is torture. I feel so bad. I've watched every season and I'm always like,, oh my gosh, this is torture. Like, I feel so bad. Usually, I've watched every season and I'm always like, yeah, this sucks, like, this is really hard. They know what they're signing up for, that kind of thought. I was literally like, my stomach hurts for it.

I don't understand how that happens. This is a callback, but the movie In Decent Proposal with Demi Moore and Robert Redford and Woody Harrelson. Oh, okay. I haven't seen it in so long.ford and Woody Harrelson. Okay, I haven't seen it in so long. Maybe I'm thinking of it in a movie. And Robert Redford plays this rich billionaire and Demi Moore and Woody Harrelson's characters, they're poor, they go to Vegas,

they're spending their last money trying to make it big. Robert Redford sees Demi Moore and offers them a million dollars to have one night with his wife. And that happens and he's just beside himself and offers them a million dollars to have one night with his wife. And like, it happens, and like, he's just beside himself because he knows what's happening. And that's what it's fucking like. It's fucking crazy.

I remember vividly those nights. And not be, like, it is fucking, it's psychological torture. Yeah, I literally, like, I was gonna throw up. I was like, I can't watch this. Like, I immediately am putting myself in that position. Like, no, this is the worst thing. I can't do that. And I also couldn like putting myself in that position. Like, no, this is the worst thing I can do that.

And I also couldn't imagine like watching it as like the person being chosen. And then it's like, well, that kiss looked really real. Like, you know what I mean? When him and Daisy are making out, like if I were Kelsey or if I were Rachel and I'm like, oh, so that's what your one-on-one was like. You know what I mean?

Cause I feel like in your head, you'd be telling yourself like he's not that into them. Like it's me or something like that. They don't have good chemistry. Yeah, and then hearing him say, I'm falling in love with you to like two girls. And he was saying the same exact thing. It made me, I was like, and I understand,

I get it to a point, but the way he was saying like, like I can't, I had to wait to say it till the right time. I've been feeling this way for a while. I was like, oh, you're repeating this. You already said this once, like, oh. It's so tough being his shoes. I can't imagine. It's so tough. I can't imagine. I mean, I, you're repeating this. You already said this once. Like, oh. It's so tough being in a shoot. I can't imagine. It's so tough. I can't imagine.

I mean, I've gone back and forth. Last week I was leaning towards Daisy. This episode, I'm convinced it's Kelsey, but I don't know, maybe, who knows? I just, the mystery, I think they leaned in into the mystery almost too hard. Right. I agree with you.

I was like, Kelsey and him have like, read very healthy and compatible. So I said, I was like, Kelsey and him have like, read very healthy and compatible. So I said, I was like, the only reason why I'm agreeing with you now is because I picked up my phone to like look at it. And that's when I'm like, uh, you guys must be the choice. Right. Him and Daisy, I felt like we're very like passionate,

which I was like, it's also, I feel like that's always kind of an indicator that maybe that's not it. You get the shower. Yeah. I was like, geez, that's a choice. Should I come back later? I'm like, I shouldn't be watching this. It's like, tough.

But that to me, I'm like, anytime I see them, like be like overly focused on the passionate version of it. I'm like, it's not the one. It's like other sexual chemistry. So we're really gonna exploit that, but like that's not gonna be the person that he chooses. And then yeah, it was like like Rachel's giving friend vibes. Oh yeah.

You know? Sweetheart, but yeah, not his prism. So sweet. But the only thing I don't get about the Rachel making top three is that just there, I can think of at least three or four other women from this season that he seemed, at least from what we saw, had a better connection with.

And it's just like, why didn't they show, I just- I think it's like the Hawaiian experience. Like I've said this before, but when he, before he met Rachel's family, he was like, there's something there, I don't know what it is. Like we've come, we have, we share an experience being in Hawaii.

So I'm just like, it's like a curiosity that he's like, we've shared a lot. You know what? I think you're, I think you're right, Justin. You reminded me like what it is to be the bachelor and how much you appreciate just being able to have conversations with anyone there because most of the ladies that you're there

are just so nervous and they're trying so hard to make a connection. Rachel does seem someone who's really comfortable with who she is. She has this natural kind of confidence, just a calming, she seems calm. And so with that Hawaiian connection, it wouldn't shock me that Joey just like,

it was just easy to be on dates with her, not because he thought he was gonna fall in love with her, but all the other women he didn't have connections with, it's just, it's painful. It's just so- There's like a comfort level with her. It's so painful to try to pretend to like someone while they're just being ultra aggressive.

They probably had a lot to talk about and there's nothing better on being on that show than having something to talk about with any of these women because you don't wanna be making out with a bunch of people you're not interested in. And usually what happens is when there's awkward pauses, they just grab your face and start making out with you, and it sucks.

And so, Rachel, that makes a lot of sense. So that's it. Yeah. Automatic connection. Comfort. Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. Mm-hmm.

Huh. The internet wants Kelsey's dad to be the golden bachelor. I saw that. I wouldn't be against that. No. I loved him. I just want to throw it golden bachelor. I saw that. I wouldn't be against that. No. I loved him. I just want to throw it out there. Kelsey, if you do listen to this show, my soon to be mother-in-law thinks your dad's hot.

I love that. She finds him very attractive. Is she single? She is. She is out here dating in LA. She's stunning and amazing. She's really stunning. I'm obsessed with this.

She's amazing. Yeah. Good stunning. I'm obsessed with this. She's amazing. Yeah. Good luck dating in LA. I know. Well, she's going back to Alabama soon. But she went on a date yesterday morning. She had a coffee date in the morning. I love that.

And he's in New Orleans? Look at that, Heidi. He's in New Orleans, not too far from Alabama. Not too far, that's not far. So. I'm doing long distance, long distance is a thing. I'm being serious, Kelsey. I feel like we should coordinate a Zoom date

with your dad and my mother-in-law. Let's do it. Let's do it. But only if Nick can be on the Zoom and like moderating questions. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. But also record it so we can watch it later. But also yes, let's record it

so we can like make a show out of it, you know. I'm serious, Kelsey, let's make it happen. Check out Natalie's mom, she's a total babe. Yeah, I think we can. Yeah, I love that. Also, I found out that Joey was a Packer fan, so. Any criticism I've ever sent his way, I feel bad now. I regret it. Although I've not, I've been pretty good to Joey.

Do you know, have you met Joey, do you know him? Every time I've met him, he's been such a delight, and I was at the Golden Bachelor wedding and we chatted there and he was like in the best mood ever. But I don't read any spoilers, but it's so interesting because I can always like try to guess with how their mood is when I'm talking about the upcoming season.

Like obviously- Do you think he's with someone? Cause I guess they have been selling it as like maybe he could be alone, which usually when that's the case it's again, you know. The vibe I got at Golden Bachelor wedding, which has been obviously a couple months now, was that he's not with anybody.

Oh, wow. But I don't know, that guy just put my vibe. Yeah, it wasn't like he was like hitting on anybody, but I'm just saying like. He was like, well he asked me out, so. That was a single man. Yeah. No, no, no.

This is a new relationship. I was like, by the way, I'm dating Joey, is actually what I was saying. man. You know. No, no, no. This is the new relationship that you're talking about. I was like, by the way, I'm dating Joey. Is that actually what I was saying? So I start dating. No, I just got a vibe that he didn't get the ending he was hoping for. What gave you the vibe?

Well, you'll have to see because I'm gonna run an interview on variety.com. Okay, all right. Did we all gasp? When is that coming out? It's coming out soon. I didn't want to do it honestly too early because I didn't want it to be like spoilery

if he doesn't, I don't know. We're all like, should we break up with our boyfriends? I know, right? He's such a baby, he's such a young boy. They have been teasing a crazy ending. I know. I'm very excited about it. So he could be alone, that is possible.

Oh man. I don't know, there are a lot of single people at that wedding, so he could have found somebody at that wedding, to be honest. I was looking around the room thinking like, I wish I could see what the hotel rooms looked like tonight because it's gonna be a real fun night for people. If Joey is not with someone, my greatest wish for Joey

that he does not get into another bachelor relationship. Like paradise or something. Yeah, and again, nothing against all the wonderful people. It's just, he's too much of a star relative to the, the power dynamic is just not where it would need to be. He would be better off dating either another celebrity outside of Bachelor World or just a normie who knows how to be around celebrities.

Hard to find. So like a journalist, what you're saying? A journalist, yeah. A hairstylist. Right, someone who has a lot of experience with being around talent. A publicist? Not a publicist.

No. Let's not say all publicists. Look at me, it's like not a publicist. I love my publicist. The quarterfaces. But then there's the Riley's of the world. Because there's a lot of publicists got into publicity because they very much like being around celebrities. See, but I think in my experience,

a lot of them don't care at all about that. A good one. A good one. Yeah, so I think there's both, we know both. Usually the bad ones find their way to, you have to go through the bad ones before you get to the good ones. Yes, so I think there's both, we know both. Yeah, usually the bad ones find their way, you have to go through the bad ones before you get to the good ones. Yes, this is true.

You have to fire a couple bad ones before you realize what a bad one is. Especially if you're on a reality show, there's some rough ones out there. You get a lot of bad advice if you're a reality TV star. A good anything is referral only. Good call. Yeah.

Sorry. Truly. Sorry. Truly. You know? You gotta know a guy to get my number. But I hope Joey ends up happy. I really enjoyed this season. I haven't watched Bachelor in a minute, so I'm one of the restored faiths. I'm like, okay, let's get to the finale episode.

Yeah. I'm excited about it. If Joey is either single or we're right and he's with Kelsey, who do you wanna see as Bachelorette? Because to me, Daisy was made to be the Bachelorette, but yet the Maria fans seem to be running strong. You don't seem to like, you hate all these choices. I would pick Rachel over Daisy. Daisy is not as rude to me.

On what? Like Rachel just seems like a nice normal girl. Nice and normal, has never made a good Bachelorette. Joey is nice and normal and he made a good Bachelor. That's, they do not, that's not how they, that's two different seasons. I know, but I don't want a hot mess express for a Bachelorette.

You have a point, Daisy is maybe more wholesome than Rachel, so like- Wait, Daisy is more wholesome than Rachel. So like her- Wait, Daisy is more wholesome than Rachel? Is that what you're saying? Wholesome in the sense of like- What is wrong with Daisy? Nothing's wrong with her, I just don't find her

as like likable and rootable as other people do, I don't think. Really? I think it's a, she's a lot. Oh, interesting. Is it the- I'm like, wait, I misunderstood. Yeah.

You have blown his mind. You guys are all looking at me like I have five heads. No, I mean, listen, we love a hot take. No, I don't know, maybe it's just me. Again, not the person, Rachel, she seems lovely. And so does Daisy. I could not be more bored of Rachel. I mean, there have been some moments.

See, but Joey, to me, was boring, because he's nice. But the Bachelor loves a sweet, unproblematic Bachelor. Right. And the Bachelor wants a someone, unproblematic Bachelor. Right. And the Bachelor at the like... And the Bachelor nation wants a someone who can speak their mind and stand in their power, even if it comes with a bit of a mess.

Yeah. Sweet and spicy. I guess you're right. They do not want a demure, quiet, overly... How did you view Charity? She seems like a lovely person. Right. So you think Charity, like a Rachel,

would be like a Charity? Whereas like Daisy would be like a Hannah Brown. I don't think Daisy would be like a lovely person. Right. So you think charity, like a Rachel, would be like a charity? Whereas like Daisy would be like a Hannah Brown. I don't think Daisy would be like a Hannah Brown. I think Maria would be like a Hannah Brown. I think Maria would be more like a Hannah Brown. Maria to me is like a no-go. Oh, I think she'd be so fun. I think it would be entertaining.

That's why I think Daisy, that's why I say I think Daisy is quintessential Bachelorette. Like she doesn't seem as spicy or as like, it's gonna be all drama with Daisy, but she seems to, like just heard saying to Joey, I don't even know if I'm into you yet. She seems to be willing not to just say something for the sake of television.

Which is nice, yeah. And I think she has an interesting story. The backstory with her cochlear implants is something she's had to overcome. I think that would be just an interesting story. The backstory with her cochlear implants is something she's had to overcome. I think that would be just an interesting dynamic to see how several men would handle dating someone who has a hearing impairment. I don't disagree. I don't disagree with that. I think she has a really good story. I don't know. There's something about her to me that I...

Her grabbing, joining, and making out with them, she seems to be willing to go there where it's just, we haven't really, Rachel incredibly reserved. Sometimes when they throw somebody that was in top 10, I was like, what about Lexi? I also was thinking Lexi. Lexi could, she's got a good, that's a good story. Yeah, that's a great story.

She's on the timeline. Her, yeah, the biological clock and- Demetriosis. You just get a bunch of mature men who are ready for that state of life. How old is she? How old is she? Early 30s.

Yeah. Last time I spoke to the producers and we were talking about how great Golden did and how obviously Joey Season has been doing well and Charity Season honestly did okay, but it just doesn't compare to the numbers that Golden got, is that they were thinking like, we need to do, we need to go up a little bit more.

Because there isn't, right now it's like, children basically. Up in age? Yeah. How old is Daisy? So, she's like 28? Joey's 28. Maria's 29, Lexi's-

Daisy's 25, Lexi's 30. Oh, Lexi's only 25. Oh, Lexi's 30. Daisy's 25. Daisy's 25. Lexi's 30. Daisy's only, so- Lexi's 30. I mean Lexi's only 25. Oh, Lexi's 30. Daisy's 25. Daisy's 25. Lexi's 30. So, Lexi's 30. I mean, they've casted plenty,

I mean, Hannah Brown was, I think, 25, JoJo was 25. They've had some great bachelorettes. Absolutely. At 25. I just think that does add a little bit more life experience if you up the age a little bit. I'm more critical when it comes to the bachelors being so young than the bachelorettes.

I would agree with that. You know, like, I just, it's so, to the bachelors being so young than the bachelorettes. I would agree with that. It's so, to me, rings so false when these bachelors act like they've never had a girlfriend and don't know how to talk to women. Well, we even saw that with his timeline. Well, Joey, I mean, we don't know much about him. And again, he's teased a little bit this episode, but if nothing else, Joey, you can tell he knows how to be around women and they've

literally have had some of our most recent bachelors you're honestly wondering if being the bachelor was the first time they've ever been approached or by a woman yeah and that's just kind of weird television. You know? Like no offense, guys. Uh... This was their first date, was night one. Yeah, it gives that. So, Joey does not give that. Joey gives, he is very comfortable with dating, you know.

Personable. Very personable, has a lot of... Charisma. Has... Riz, is there a say? Is the kid's say? Is the kid's say? So, wow, so not Daisy, not Maria. Yeah. I could see Lexi, Lexi I could go for.

I could definitely see Lexi. Yeah. That'd be good tell of it. That's a great storyline. Yeah, that's a good thing. She's beautiful. She's so beautiful. I think that would be, that would be one

I would really wanna watch. Yeah. Interesting, yeah. But I think Maria would be a lot of fun too. I think there'd be one I would really wanna watch. Yeah. Interesting. But I think Maria would be a lot of fun too. I think there'd be entertaining moments for sure. You're not on the Maria board. I'm not. And why?

I think she's hard to root for also. Why? Because a lot of people don't agree with you. I know. I just, I'm not sure if- Is it drama? The drama to me. I know that drama is better TV

and that's what people wanna watch, but that makes me wanna watch it less. Do you think she almost scripted her storyline? 100%. Like even her accent, she knew enough to, yeah, like, I'm not gonna, you know. Whether she was asking producers,

like what looks good? What do I, that's kind of the last. Forcing Joey to send her home. The kind of vibe I got. I think she's probably a very lovely girl, but I just don't, I don't think she would be a good, in my opinion, I don't think a bachelorette would be, so she would be the bachelorette I'd want to watch.

Interesting, interesting, okay. They seem to have some good choices. Yeah, they do. And with the finale being, I don't know what it is, but they, again, continue to tease it as Some first time ever. Some first time ever. And those tens of moments seem to produce their next leads

because there's nothing more powerful than the lasting impression that we have. So whoever your runner up is, I would think is, would be- Likely. If there is a runner up. Or it's the woman he, if he like- Whoever he screws over the most. Thanks Joey, you is a runner up. Or it's the woman he, if he like, if something. Whoever he screws over the most.

Thanks Joey, you're setting it up. If that is the case, so interesting. All right, thanks so much for coming. Thanks for having me. Always a pleasure to have you. I'll come any time. Please do, we expect you back. I'll be here.

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