The Viall Files - E720 GD with AD Plus LIB Reunion Recap, Paris vs. Mauricio, Ariana on WWHL, and Royal Photoshop Part Two

Episode Date: March 14, 2024

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Going Deeper Edition! To start things out, the household gets together to talk about recent headlines - such as Paris Hilton calling out Mauricio Umansky, Ariana on Watch What Happens Live, and the second potentially photoshopped royal photo that’s been released of Kate Middleton. We also recap the Love is Blind Season 6 Reunion. Then, we talk to AD about filming Love is Blind - from her decision to go on the show, to her connections in the pods, to her relationship with Clay and his decision to say no at the altar. Then, we have a Texting Office Hours caller who needs help asking out a guy from her gym.  “He didn’t want to go off script.”  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Sundays For Dogs - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to https://www.sundaysfordogs.com/VIALL or use code VIALL at checkout. Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @amberdesiree@nnataliejjoy @ciaracrobinson @alison.vandam @dereklanerussell @leahgsilberstein@justinkaphillips  Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 02:09 - Pop Topics 17:28 - LIB Reunion 41:59 - AD Interview Starts 47:17 - Relationship with Clay 01:08:55 - Reunion 01:18:16 - Cast Questions 01:34:12 - Texting Offices Hours 01:45:12 - Reunion Continued 01:50:26 - Outro

What's going on everybody. Welcome back to another exciting episode of The Vow Files Going Deeper Edition. I am your host Nick joined by the household of Ali, sweet, sweet, sweet boy Justin, Leah, Sierra, and my lovely fiancee, Natalie Joy. It's the dream team. We're following on the full house. It's a full house.

This is a full house. Full household. Fuller house. I don't wanna steal from an iconic television show. Full household. Oh my God, okay. Good, like full house. There's also a fuller house. So we're the fullest household. Fuller House, Full Household. Oh my God, okay. It's like Full House. It's also Fuller House.

So we're the fullest house. Fullest Household. Fullest Household, yeah. Anyways, got a jam packed episode. The one and only AD is with us to talk about all things being left at the altar, the reunion. We recorded this episode with AD the day following the reunion.

Uh, so we were flying a little blind. We had some, we had a little, we had a general understanding of what happened at the reunion, but we really wanted to get her right after reunion while she was decompressing things that were said that that is the lens in which you want to listen to this episode with a D in terms of how she felt just like about 24 hours or 12, actually rather more like 12 hours after the reunion. And now we have since watched the reunion, which we'll be getting into. So just a heads up, we will be talking about the Love

is Blind reunion. So if you haven't watched yet, we'll be talking spoilers. So it's a pretty fun reunion. Yeah, it was a... It was very chaotic. Very chaotic. I feel like Bachelor would never, like the receipts they pulled out and then like making, like reading the text messages, like no other show would do that. I think they, Bachelor's done. I love that they lean into the messy.

They're so messy. They'll bring someone out just to humiliate them and be like, okay, you can leave. And you're done. That was my favorite part. The Trevor walk-off. Yeah. Yeah. That being said, you can leave. And you're done. That was my favorite part. The Trevor walk-off? Yeah. That being said, you can go.

That was really something. Before we get into the Love Is Brian reunion though, we do have to get an update on where the fuck Kate Middleton is. Because that is the new... There is no update. No one knows where she is. But there's new rumors. There are new rumors. There seems to be a new woman involved. Like, who is this Rose person, Allie?

You're saying that it's well known in certain circles that this is William's side piece? Yeah, so Rose Hanbury has been kind of part of the conversation since 2019. That's when kind of these rumors came out about Will seeing her. Although I feel like it was more so like circles that I was in where you're like

tracking all this stuff. Because I remember my sister a year or two ago having no idea that he cheated on Kate or had some sort of mystery. So I was like, Oh my gosh, yeah, like roses have been part of this dialogue for a while. Rose herself is married. She does have a title herself. So she's kind of like up there in that royal world. She's a former model. She's a former like staffer, like political staffer. So I don't know. She's got pedigree. She's a former model. She's a former like staffer like political staffer. So I don't know. Scott pedigree. There's a lot of high people.

How did the the diehards know about this? Like, why has this even been a thing? I don't know if it like started out in like tabloids or if it was just like through the grapevine that they kind of had something going on. But I've known that he kind of has had a woman on the side allegedly for years. So when this came out and suddenly it's like,

oh, this all has to do with Rose. And I'm like, but why now? Because again, she's been part of this conversation for five years. Is there any chance Kate Milton's dead? Because the internet is going there. And there are some dark theories out there. Like didn't, like what, who's this Pippa person?

She had an ex, her husband's dead. Pippa's ex passed away a few weeks ago. And then Camilla and Charles released a statement, because again, he's in those titled circles as well, so they were like, our hearts go out in condolences. And how did he pass? But he was like with Pippa. I believe he might have died by suicide,

but let me check that. I mean, that when it comes to the royal family, I think dying by suicide is kind of sus. I also read he did die from a self-inflicted gunshot wound, according to the coroner. Okay. Yeah. Again, I don't know when it comes to the royal family. It's giving cover up. Yeah. I mean, Ali had a point, though, that it might not be death because that would have been an easy out for them versus they're playing into this messy narrative of like Photoshopping that's not good. Well, the people who are suggesting she's dead

are suggesting that something happened between her and William. I've heard like he's got a temper. I mean, again, I don't want to put out. She's not dead. She just cut bangs and she's waiting for them to grow out again. You think that's what?

Which same girl? She went to college. She went back to graphic design school and she wanted to show the world her work. What are all these theories? I mean, it could be something positive but we're choosing like, it has to be something negative. Yeah, everyone's like, she's dead. Like maybe she just like got a BBL

and she's just recovering. Maybe, yeah, those are also been the rumors. I don't know. But it's getting to the point where it's clearly getting weird. Well, we'll see. There's too much Photoshop.

I'm like, it's so much better. Like in this day and age, people are gonna find the Photoshop. They're gonna find an issue with it. And I'm like, if we had just not seen her and if you would have kept going with these, she's recovering from surgery, but we'll be back at Easter.

That was always what they said. Easter is two weeks away. You didn't need to go out with a fricking Photoshopped Mother's Day post and start this all anew. You could have just waited two more weeks for Easter and been done. It's the tweeting. It's a lot of weird moves being made

where it's just like this could easily be squashed. Obviously I understand she doesn't owe us anything, but at the same time I'm like, they're literally circulating that you might be dead. Owe us everything. We pay for her castle. Well we, the Brits. Could you imagine if this was Meghan Markle though?

Oh, I'd be vicious. I do feel like clearly, if it had all Megan and Perry, had they not just whined about it for so long, they'd be looking so good right now. Because clearly they're right. You know, clearly this family's fucked. And clearly they're better off not being a part of it.

I think I just could have done without all the whining. You know who else is whining? Mauricio. Yeah, yeah. And Paris Hilton has had enough. She's had enough. Paris Hilton said it well. So essentially we're seeing new scenes released

from the new Buying Beverly Hills series, which is Mauricio's real estate show. And they released a scene where he's talking about his issues with the Hilton and Highland brand. He had basically said that he was removed from this company and he wasn't offered shares when he was 19% of the productivity. So then that scene was released, Paris Hilton saw it. She tweeted saying, my father is a consummate gentleman and has always taken the higher road. He would never speak negatively about his family, especially in the press. Frankly, we are all sick of him using the Hilton name every chance he gets to plug his lame show.

Gagged. Humbled. It is enough already. In my head, I'm like, this is old news. He brought it up for the show. To play devil's advocate. I first saw this. Okay, that's enough. And done.

When I first saw this, I was like, pop off, Paris. You know, Mauricio looks a bit thirsty. All of a sudden he's talking about the relationship on his Netflix show. But like Paris Hilton, like literally is the reality TV like godmother. Her family in itself is like the reality TV royalty. Her mom, obviously a famous housewife, conversations about maybe her going back on. So like they talk about their family all the time,

like and now it's wrong for him? Or is it just because they're talking, you know, who draws a line between what is okay to talk about? I mean, shit, fucking Kathy at the reunion is like doing makeup full glam and just talking mad shit about Kyle. So I don't know. Like... I think it's the timing though, to be honest, because they have been mentioning this whole circumstance since what? Season one of Housewives, because it's Kim and Kyle's rift is that it's

part of it. So like, that's why it's also like, why now? Like why now are we now going to say like word for word what the issue was when you've kind of kept it aloof this entire time? He just needs plot for his new show. Exactly, it's kind of, that's what- That's the part that's obvious, yeah. But it's a little picky and choosy of like, when is it okay to be messy and when is it not?

I mean, along the lines, it's like, you have a separation. Talk about that instead of this age-old issue. And then I also kind of wonder if that's part of it. Is it because now that you guys are separated that he feels like he can say these things on camera and it's not going to cause a rift in their family anymore? He's like, not my family anymore.

I'm not a part of it. Granted, they do live under the same roof, but you know. Damn, you know who else was under the same roof? Popping off. Ariana and Tom. Nice, babe. Really good transition. Thank you.

I'm doing really well. Ariana was on Watch What Happens Live. She was. And she had some responses to Miss Sheena in her issue with Ariana going on Dancing with the Stars. Yeah, what did she say? She said, I mean, on one hand, I can totally understand being happy for a friend while also feeling like, oh, you did also want this thing for yourself.

If one person from our show gets on it, wouldn't that help someone else from our show get on the show? What's good for the goose is good for the gander. That's a very pragmatic and good point by Ariana. Yes, very positive. Yeah, and not as harsh as, say, some of the things we've said about Cheena in our comments. Right.

Yeah, and it wasn't even directed to you, and you were very mad. What do you mean? Ariana should be the one who's like, yeah, that's fucked up. I'm not mad, I'm just commentating. No, for sure. I'm just giving our two cents. It's like what we would say on the show.

Like how I would feel if I were an Ariana. But that does make sense. I mean, it's like now. Yeah, next season. But what if Dancing with the Stars is like, I don't know. Sheena, like you made it. You won it too bad. I don't think Sheena coming across

the way she's coming across is helping her case out. Like, sounding desperate to be on it is different than wanting to be on it. I wonder what her feelings would be if it was Tom Sandoval. Like, would you be like, I can't be, like if Sheena, I can't be friends with him because he did Dancing with the Stars and he knows how much it means to me. Or is it

just the Ariana of it all? I think sheena would be devastated if it was anyone but her on Dancing with the Stars. Right? No, I mean, if she goes on, she better fucking win. You know, like you can't have all this talk and then go home week two. She had a dancing coach. She's prepared. That's what I'm saying. I better see the golden ball. What's it called? Mirror ball.

The mirror ball in your hand at the end of that with all this yapping you've been doing. The mid-season Vanderpump trailer is out. Have we all watched it? Let's watch it now. I hear footsteps. I'm scared. This hair that Tom has.

Oh, turned on. Oh. I know we're divorced, but like that was sticking just like maybe one night stand. Oh, consider keeping the house to you. I had a roommate. Uh, you've been relentlessly talking about me.

The whole world is talking about Jack. The whole Yeah, we're getting the Valley promotion. There it is. You're going Jack. The whole. Yeah, we're getting the Valley promotion. There it is. We're going to be together forever. Do you think that's real? Somebody choking, according to your rules, Ariana.

Don't speak to me. Don't speak to me. You're speaking to me. So you're a liar. Let him go. That's funny. Children. I now have thoughts about Brock and Lala, one of my best friends, because I'm like,

Oh my god, could someone do that to me? You did that! Whoa. Wait, what? Whoa. It's about her. I mean a lot. Boy, she really should try to make this whole season about her.

No, that's a valid feeling. What? Her being scared now, like, that her best friend, I mean, if Ariana's best friend, then I can see how she would be like, to be fair, I feel like all of America, when it rocked America, we were all looking at our partners like, could you ever?

Our best friend. Yeah. Yeah. Like. I know. I feel like something's got to happen between Lala and Brock for that to come up. Tom can't be responsible for everyone's insecurities when it comes to relationships.

That's fair but I'm also kind of like you have to decide, you have to pick a side Sheena. Do you want him to be your best friend again or is he the cause of all of your marital, your trust issues? Like these two things don't make sense to me. That scene where she goes, I don't think we'll be together forever. Do you think that she's talking about Brock? It sure looks like it. It looks like he was swiping a tear or some Visine or something.

But like that could be her talking about a manager. Well, what's weird too is that they cut out the whole Sheena making out with Tom Schwartz in Vegas bit that everybody was looking forward to. And I was like, are we just gonna scrap that or is that gonna be the cause of issues between Brock and Sheena? And then Sheena's gonna make it like,

Sandoval is like the reason why they have the issues. Okay, Nancy Drew. I mean, I'm just saying, I'm just putting a little pots together. And also like Sheena, I don't think you have to worry about Brock and Lala. I don't think Lala is going to give Brock the opportunity. I kind of agree.

That came out of nowhere. Yeah. Duh. Like, I don't know if you, maybe you have to worry about Brock, but maybe not Brock and Lala. Right. I'm like, I would be more concerned about the girl

sleeping in the bed with you two then. Yeah, I was about to say, wouldn't you be more worried about Rachel? Like what happened in the past? Like Rachel and him? What happened with him? Well, remember she used to say, like they used? Well, remember she used to sleep in the bed with them. That's just weird. Wouldn't go to her hotel room

and rather stay in the room with them, so, you know. Like if you had a girlfriend like sleep in our bed, I'd be like, no, get out. What are you doing? Or like there's a couch for a reason. Well, thank God get her in here I'll take middle fucking weird and if she did say that about Brock how could you say that to something you're married to that's

that's what got me a little bit like I do have a little sympathy card for Brock I just feel like he's kind of no matter what he says, he's always wrong. Where it's like, I think he was in the right saying, hey, I would like to have some time alone with you and maybe not have your mom so involved in our relationship. I'm like, I don't think he was wrong for that, but it turned into a screaming match at a bathing suit shop.

Is it true that Brock's first child's name was Winter? Yes, facts. Who he doesn't have a relationship with. And then he had a kid with Sheena and they named that kid Summer. It coincidentally was Sheena's baby name. Not with Rob. She always wanted to name her kid Summer.

That's what she said. Allegedly. When I think there was a reunion or an interview that she did, but also when she was dating Rob season season seven or something, and it was Madison Montgomery, whatever his last name is. That was the baby name that she wanted? Yeah, so.

Oh. It's what happens when your life is filmed. Yeah. We don't forget. Receipts. That does seem like a kind of, and what is the relationship between Brock? Is he kind of a part-time deadbeat dad?

They live in two different countries, right? Well, I mean, yeah, I think he's from Australia. Each family's in Australia. Yeah, but remember Lala kind of gave him the harsh truth about not being there for his other kids, and then didn't they have a moment in season 10 where he was like, I actually appreciate you now, like I've reached out, I understand,

like I can't just like abandon that time of my life and those kids. He said he was working on child support. And then they did go to Australia recently. And I know that they didn't see his family. He went to Australia and didn't see his kids. I don't think he can. It's up to the mother of the children. She's remarried.

And so I think she likes how their family dynamic is. And maybe bringing the whole Sheena and Vanderpump rules of it all may not be what she desires. Yeah. I think that's fair. That's fair. Might not be what she desires. You know, trying to be diplomatic. I'm trying to learn.

It might not be what she desires. Yes, I have a hard time understanding it as a new father. Well, that's why Lala flipped out being like, you haven't seen your kids in four years? That's a, I couldn't imagine. Is kids plural? He's got two kids, I believe, with her. What? Come on.

Somebody fact-checked me. The other one named Spring. A daughter named Winter and a son, Eli. And he's just like, doesn't give a fuck. He needed Lala to let him know that he should try to reach out to his kids. Well, that's why they were all confused with the whole filing for bankruptcy,

but buying a new house. And then he had that gym situation, the app at the end of season 10. So I'm like, I don't know. I think homeboys confused himself. There's a lot going on that's not. His gym name, I think was like homebody too, so that's why you got it. I was like, yep, you got it.

Sheena and Brock are a parallel to Sarah Anne and Jeremy. That's how I see it. Yeah, they are. That is a good... A lot of toxicity that doesn't make sense, but they're still together. But kind of like, does it work? We don't know, but it kind of looks like it does. Yeah, no one really understands their decision tree, but they seem to be perfectly fit. Yeah, that was a wild reunion. It really was. Am I the only one who? Yes.

Yeah. We already know what you're gonna say. I couldn't help, but Jeremy and Sarah are, I think the Sheena and Brock comparison is perfect. I think it's great. I think they clearly are people who probably not knowing much about them, it would be easy to believe that they get on other people's nerves easily. They clearly handled their situation poorly.

That's without question. I agree with all that. But at the end of the day, they are together. Well. And this experience and this experiment led to those people being in a relationship. Well, Chelsea said every time she sees him, they're broken up. Just for argument's sake, if all we know is, it's not like are they perfect,

are they gonna end up together, but a year later, they seem to be still in a relationship. One of the few relationships that came from this experience. And sure, they didn't handle it perfectly. They couldn't work out about it a better way. That whole argument just gave very much like everyone ganging up on them because it to me it came across as more we don't like you two and therefore we're going to use like the rules of this show to chastise and exclude you, not talk to you,

and kind of kick you out of the group. It just felt a little bit like that. Okay, question though, cause they pulled receipts from Sarah Ann's TikTok and being like, it's a show y'all, we entertained you. Like, you know, and then you have Jeremy being quoted saying, well, at least I know Jimmy's the villain. So it's also like, did these two people stay together because they came into it with the best intentions and they actually care for each other? Or like, we got to stay

together for the reunion? I don't think a single person goes on this show. And I include Bachelor, Love is Blind. Anyone who acts like they just showed up for an experiment and they only showed up because they truly believed in the process and they only showed up for love, they're full of shit. They are all self-aware about the opportunity to show can bring itself.

Like Trevor, what Trevor did was fucked up. He clearly came on this whole thing with he wasn't even available, he made no sense, like, oh, I wasn't sure if I was in a relationship or in a situation or whatever. It was all bullshit. But what I do believe, and that's not saying much, but I believe that once he showed up to the experiment

that he did get lost in the bubble that he was in, he forgot about the outside world, I do believe he developed quote unquote genuine feelings, whatever that means to him. I think he's also a very emotionally immature guy that that environment was perfect for a guy like him. He was always gonna fall in love in that environment. But his favorite movie's The Notebook.

Yeah, he had a lot of bullshit. He's the most emotionally intelligent person. He had a lot of bullshit lines. I'm just like, it's not that hard for me to believe that someone like him got caught up in an experiment where that environment is meant to kind of warp your brain and given his lack of emotional intelligence, it's not shocking to me that in that bubble,

he thought he was falling in love. And then when he got out of the bubble, yeah, he went back. He still is making poor choices, but again, what I'm saying is it's not mutually exclusive. Like you can show up hoping to get Instagram followers, knowing, being self aware that you're going to be on TV, knowing that, you know, like everyone who goes up to the bachelor love is blind.

They, they're aware that someone's and most likely there's going to be a villain and everyone hopes it's not going to be them. That is every single person who's ever gone on TV. So like Jeremy pointing that out, that's not, that's nothing to me. That could have been any of them. And honestly, that's a tale as well as time on these types of shows where like someone like says the obvious thing that everyone's thinking but too afraid to say it because they don't want to use it against them. And then everyone else seizes an opportunity to use it against them just because they don't want to also be the villain. So to me, that's

all bullshit. Well, it's also like the irony of it was that he did end up being the villain. Jeremy did. Yeah, and again I think because they are like, he has a very unlikable side, there's been all these other reports out there and like allegations, alleged allegations,

so like which seem kind of easy to believe, but even those aside, I'm just saying like, how that all went down on the show, it's just like, you guys just don't like these two. And it was less about how they went about it, and more about, I think they just don't like them. Well, in Laura's defense, she was like, you've had a year to apologize.

So you're doubling down a year later. Apologize for what? Let's not forget that Laura's mom essentially tried to tell us that she's an emotional terrorist. She was like, my daughter's kind of mean to people. Yeah, but at the end of the day, it's like whether we're taking it, you know, because it's either it's a show or it's their reality in this bubble that I'm like, at the end of the day, Laura truly believed that she was engaged to this person who made a very disgusting

choice, whether it's in or out of an experiment. You went and spent time with somebody that you're interested in and lied about it. Because keep in mind, when they go in the bubble, they are encouraged to explore multiple relationships. Right. That's part of the experiment. They're in there for 10 days and when they get to like day seven, eight and nine, it's like, all right, now you got to choose one of these two.

And it's a very imperfect scenario, a scenario they've never been a part of. And then they have to just decide with limited information, you know, part of which has never seen someone before. And then they get out of this bubble. I'll go back to the same city and they're supposed to what, turn off their feelings and things like that. Listen, I know Jess was like, I was literally in the same situation. She has the benefit of hindsight of knowing

that she probably, that Jimmy wasn't her physical type, not remotely close as she said in the show. And so like, she can be like, well, I could have done next Y or Z, but I didn't. But like clearly Sarah and Jeremy, clearly whether we like them together or not, there is something there that has allowed them to still be together.

And I just don't think it's the same as, for example, like Tom and Ariana, you know, a situation where like, again, they handled it poorly, but like, clearly they are in this fucked up environment. The lines, I feel like the lines are a little bit blurred. I don't know. I don't think it's the same as like a real life scenario where it's like Laura and Jeremy were like in this very committed relationship. There was a lot of trust, there was a history, and then he decided to like do what he did with another girl. You know, and I thought it was ironic that Laura was like accusing Sarah of being a pick me all while saying out loud, but he picked me. She

literally said he chose me, not you Sarah, me. And then she's calling Sarah a pick me. But Laura's saying that retrospectively versus Sarah Anne was saying that in the moment. Like then that's where it's different. Yeah. And also Sarah Anne puts herself in the mess because she unfollowed all of the women but still follows all of the men.

Yeah, she's meant that- So it's like they're putting themselves in this mess. They are messy and very unlikable. Don't get me wrong. I mean, what if they break up tomorrow? Are you gonna take all this back when they're like, okay, the reunion'sions done now are like Jig is up. We've just been but we got some brand deals Yeah

If they I'm just basing on if I'm taking them at face value that they actually it's been a year They had to wait for reunion, you know, we don't know how long their breaks were Do you think they faked a relationship for a year? I wouldn't run it past they had a couple breaks Maybe one of their breaks was like 11 months Maybe I don't run it past. They had a couple breaks. Maybe one of their breaks was like 11 months. Maybe. I don't know. I've seen too many people get ganged up on

because they didn't follow the rules of the show. And like this particular scene with Laura who's kind of a known mean girl. No mean girl to who? Her mom called her out. I don't know. I think she was fucked over and she has every right to feel the way she does and I think Sarah, Anne, and Jeremy

didn't handle that situation well and they have continued to not handle that situation well. What could they have done differently? No, I'm not talking about that night. I'm sorry. Just even, yeah, like, genuine sorry. I feel like Sarah Anne came out looking for a fight. Like she was just, it was like literally watching like Maury or something, like, genuine sorry. I feel like Sarah Anne came out looking for a fight. Like, she was just, it was like literally watching like,

Maury or something, like when they walk out and it's just like, the whole room gets tense and she's like, yeah, I'm here, you know? And I'm like, when Laura came on, it's like, hey, I understand the situation is complicated, it's confusing, but I had to follow my heart in this and I was never intention to hurt you. I hope that you're doing okay, but like,

there was none of that. It was more defending the actions where it's like, we can't really get behind it. I I hope that you're doing okay, but there was none of that. It was more defending the actions. Where it's like, we can't really get behind it. I'm glad that you're happy, and I hope the best for you, but at the same time, you didn't have to go about it that way. It's like sand of all.

It's just not taking accountability. I don't think they handled it the right way. I feel like the whole gang up at the reunion, I was just kind of rolling my eyes, because it was like, why is this still a thing? Laura Clarion doesn't want to be with Jeremy. Like, does she really, I don't know. It's just-

Well, what were your thoughts on even- She had like a performance. Vanessa and Nick both getting involved because Vanessa called- Well, they're terrible hosts. Terrible. Well, Vanessa called Sarah Anne out for her video that CRU mentioned.

And then Nick, when he was giving his whole speech about people coming on with ulterior motives, mentioned Sarah Anne in that speech. And I was like, wait, I agree. I don't think she had ulterior motives, but he called her out. I don't think she's right in this situation. I don't think she came on.

The whole lecture from Nick, I don't know. He probably- It was out of nowhere. How long is their contract for? I don't know. Probably a. It was out of nowhere. How long is their contract for? I don't know, probably a year. I'm hoping that's up. With Nick and Vanessa? No, Nick and Vanessa, hosting.

Oh, I don't know. Well, I mean, they filmed so many seasons ahead, so even with their contracts, I think we're stuck with them for at least three more seasons. Was it last season that Vanessa said something that pissed everyone off? That was two seasons ago.

At the reunion? Yeah, about having babies. Yeah. It's pressing, every woman about when they're gonna have kids. I hate it when Nick pulls the crowd. He's like, anyone? Anyone? Anyone hate these people?

Anyone? Yeah, they're all just like... Just ask direct questions. Be like, hey, AD. Yeah. How do you feel about so-and-so? And then move on to someone else. And then, hey, Jimmy, how do you feel?

Do you think Chelsea should have spread that secret that she promised she would keep in confidence? Do y'all think that she should have said that on national television? And they're all like, um. No, ask someone specifically. Who's talking to me? Like, who's first?

I will say Chelsea gets brownie points in my eyes from the reunion, especially like the fact where she's like, I had an intuitive feeling why I shouldn't have chosen you, Trevor, and now I know I was right. And that's the power of a woman's intuition. But do you think she's just saying that now after that? I don't have chosen you, Trevor. And now I know I was right. And that's the power of a woman's intuition. But do you think she's just saying that now after that? I don't know. It just, it felt very,

it felt kind of performative by some of the in-crowd. I don't know, it just did. That's just me. You know, and we'll get into it with AD. But I felt Clay handle themself well. Yeah, I see the chemistry that is obviously still lingering. And then Johnny, I was gonna say he knows about condoms now. Yay! I'm sorry, he created more questions and answers for me, you know. He was like, yeah, now I know about, you know, contraceptives, but like we had

to go to our own corners and do our research. Why are you doing research on your own? Why can't you guys do research together? To be fair, she did say she had to educate him. So I'm sure there was, I like to imagine that there was a whiteboard and just kind of like a cons pro. A diagram. A banana. A banana and a contant. A diagram.

He acknowledged his privilege too. He's like, I've never had to think about this as a male. Right. So I think he handled it well. We didn't get a religious background though, sorry Nick. He thought it was because of religious reasons. He seems a bit sheltered. Yeah, which still could be a bit.

I didn't have sex ed in high school. Yeah. I didn't either. I didn't. I went to a religious high school. How old is Johnny? He's 28. He's 28, how does he not know about these things?

Well now he does and he's married. Now he does. Yeah. 28 years later. They're working on it. I mean like who taught you about birth control? Like I mean my parents for one. Oh okay good.

And they didn't even believe in it. Obviously. You know. Thank God. But I was aware of like how it all worked and also just like being a member of society. I just, you kind of learn, you hear about something, you ask some questions, you look into it, you know?

I had seventh grade health class. Not Johnny. For a guy who goes into a corner and does research, as you said. Yeah, that was weird. Well, I'm glad that they landed on no vasectomy as the final answer, so. Didn't they also land on no birth control?

No birth control, too. I hope she doesn't fold. She's like, I don't want to do this. Are they still not having sex? Yeah, my question is what did they decide? She said, I don't know, she said something that like alluded to the fact that they have dabbled. She said we figured it out, but I don't know what that means. Like how are you? It sounds like. What did you do? They figure it out. With all this research, they like, it's like here, like here's an alternative to sex. I don't know. No, what if they're doing like more What did you do? Did you just pull one out? They figure it out. With all this research, they like, it's like here, like here's an alternative to sex.

I don't know. No, what if they're doing like more like natural family planning? Like what if she's sticking a thermometer up or hoo-hah and they're only having sex like once a month? She's tracking her ovulation. They're soaking. Yeah.

It's anal. They're doing anal. I mean. Yeah. That's what figuring it out meant. That's the workaround. I did see her wiggling in her chair a lot. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

You know, like a hemorrhoid situation, maybe. You know. Oh, my God. It's disgusting. Well, you did the preparation H. I remember Ali and Amanda were at the Preparation A chat. Remember Ali and Amanda were at the house helping us film it. Don't speak to me about that day. It was a dark time in the household.

Wasn't he in wigs? Like what was going on that day? That was Ali's idea. That was Ali's vision. My butt care routine. I don't think that was mine. Nick had to ask his audience, what is your butt care routine? It was a painful day. It wasn't like a question box? Yeah. I had to pull on my audience. What is your butt care routine? It wasn't like a question box.

Yeah. I had to pull my audience. Never tell your team you don't care or tell them to have a brand figure out what they want. You'll regret it. For sure. Do I need to YouTube this? Yeah, what is this? Was it one this? Stories or was it like a real separate thing? So the poll that he had to do was directly from the brand I had nothing to do with that But there was like a skit that we did film at your dining room table wrote the sky went on his Instagram You write all this you wrote all the skits Did I? It was. I need receipts.

Who me? What? I know Amanda did it. I need you to find this backup file, please. You do. You all need to pull this out of the archives. You definitely look. There was like accents, there was wigs.

There was. This was during the stage where like we had put my ubatons in the back of an Uber. You were like, I remember you're trying to coach me on an accent. You were very into the script. Well, because the first time it wasn't working really well for you. You were very into it remember you're trying to coach me on an accent. You were very into the script. Wasn't working really well for you. You were very, you were very into it. I don't do accents.

What was the accent? Yeah. It's like some French person. Show us. I can't remember. Come on. We've got, you've got to find the real. I just remember at one point,

Nick was in a wig and he was like, butt stuff. It was a good ad. They didn't circle back though. They didn't come back anymore. They didn't get a renewal. Yeah. It was a one and done. I think I was done after they made me ask my audience what my butt care routine was.

So. That was awkward. Anyways. No more butt stuff. AD? It's time for AD. Other than I guess Trevor's walkout, I mean we didn't really get into Trevor at all. Trevor, had he just said, listen, obviously I came in with the wrong intentions. He said he had a whole script planned.

He said I had something that I was gonna say, but now, and then he sat silent for like 10 minutes. That seemed like part of his skit. It was so painful to watch. I feel like he genuinely like probably had a script and then they read the messages and he was like, fuck, I forgot I said that. I was like, I'm gonna go back to the script. I'm gonna go back to the script. I'm gonna go back to watch I feel like he genuinely like probably had a script and then they read they read the messages and he was like fuck

I forgot I said that Me more it's like Staring into space jaw dropped Nothing to say so yeah, but he could just been like yeah like listen. I I didn't take this seriously Yeah, I showed up to be famous I thought it didn't get me a bunch of followers. Like, that's obvious. Like, my intentions were not clear.

But when I got here, like, obviously the experiment works. I developed really feelings. I was shocked. I wish I would have handled it much differently, but like, those feelings were genuine. But yeah, I definitely showed up. I was full of shit. Do you think that would have made it better?

A little bit, yeah. Yeah, rather than what he said, which made no fucking sense. I had no clue what he was saying. He didn't say anything. It didn't make any sense. He was just stumbling over, he's like, yeah, it's so hard for me,

and it's like, no, you did this. I never asked her to be my girlfriend. But also the poor girlfriend, you look so bad. How he's like, yeah, she was okay with me going on the show and like falling in love with someone else and not talking to her again. She was fine. She didn't care.

I didn't formally ask her to be my girlfriend. So technically I didn't do anything wrong. It was like I love you and I wanna marry you. It's like that made no sense. Really, yeah, I had this plan. It was obviously poor. I can promise you I have never texted a person that I'm not really dating.

I wanna marry you. I can promise you that. They were ruthless person that I'm not really dating, I wanna marry you. I can promise you that. They were ruthless though, they said, you can leave. The pumpkin is what got me. Meredith, Marks. You can leave. Like they forgot he was still there. And they're like, oh, oh, I'm sorry, you're still here?

You can go now. And then he just waddled out. Yeah, I love that he was like sitting in a pod the whole time also. While they were filming. Was he? That's how the whole thing started. He was watching it from the pod, yeah. Yeah, was like sitting in a pod the whole time also while they were filming Was he? That's how the whole thing started. Yeah, he was sitting in a pod.

I was like, what is happening? Oh man. What do we, the other couples, any, any couples we were excited to see or did we care about? I feel like they kind of left us a bit on a, on a cliffhanger with Chelsea and Jimmy though, cause I don't know if y'all noticed, but he kept like touching her leg and like holding her hand. She was like checking in with him. Are you good, are you all right? And I was like, I don't know,

it's kind of giving them maybe something actually really is a brew in there. I don't know, I don't buy it. I know, I think it's all for show. I wonder why nobody asked them though, at the reunion, like nobody asked them. So what is the status of your relationship? Are you guys dating anyone?

Nobody asked them for an update. It's because Nick and Vanessa are trashola at hosting. Trasholina. What about Kenneth and Brittany still being really close friends? What about Kenneth and Brittany posting that TikTok? Your secret safe with me while he comes out of a closet? Oh.

Natalie? I didn't think it to that. I watched that video three times and I was like, what am I missing? Oh, I guess we'll figure it out at the reunion. You didn't think anything of it? No. I didn't either it to that. I watched that video three times, I was like, what am I missing? Oh, I guess we'll figure it out at the reunion. You didn't think anything of it? No. I didn't either until right now.

Well, that makes me love it for them even more. I just, I always felt their relationship was so wholesome. I didn't love the breakup. I know it was awkward, it was weird, but like the amount of respect that they have for each other and their relationship and how they talk about each other after the fact, I'm like, I love it.

And to be clear, we don't love speculating on people's sexuality if they're not willing to talk about it, but when you do make a video like that and put it out in the open, it definitely causes for speculation. Teasing a little bit. And if it were to be the case that someone came on under false pretenses, if Kenneth is in fact only attracted to men, it could be a both thing,

but if he avoided that part of the story, then does he deserve criticism for going on as much criticism as Trevor? What's the difference between having a girlfriend and not being attracted to the person you're claiming to be attracted to? Well, my question would be what would be his motive? Because it's not like he was really pushing his school.

But I'm like, he's happy being a principal. He says it's his whole heart and like what he loves. I'm just saying like, what do you think he's gonna go do? I don't know. You don't show up for these shows without a desire for attention in some sort of public life. You just don't. It's like-

He was on the Kelly Clarkson show. Sure, yeah. So clearly he has no problem, you know, getting press or attention. I'm like, I see Sarah Anne going on and being like, I'm ready to become the next TikTok star, but like, I don't see, I just don't see what Kenneth would be getting out of it. Sarah Anne's Raquel-ing it. You know, like, let's piggyback off of it. I don't know, they're making cryptic TikToks.

So, you know, and even Jess, who we love, friend of show, like, didn't she say, like, in the pods, like, I'm not even good at social media or I don't understand social media. She is very good at social media. Yeah, she did say that. I've seen, like, she's great. She is very good at social media. I'm like... Her editing, the way that she, like she's great. She is very good at social media. Like. Her editing, the way that she like does her story.

It's very entertaining. It's very good. It's very good. So like, you know, come on, you know, it's like, this is a very popular TV show where people before them have come on and gotten a lot of followers and a lot of attention and a lot of fame and like to sit there and pretend that lot of followers and a lot of attention and a lot of fame and like to sit there and pretend

that none of them were aware or interested in getting that benefit along with anything else that comes from the show is so disingenuous. I just think it was interesting how that Kelly Clarkson video like kind of like came out of the woodworks because it was years ago, I believe. And then for them to make that video, it was like you're either leaning in because he's just so not and like, I don't give a fuck,

I'm just like comfortable with myself. Or there's something written in between the lines that y'all are just like, which is, that's a weird way to platform it. Definitely want people speculating. That's true. Yeah, they want people talking about it as we are right now. We're talking. They definitely want people speculating. That's true. Yeah, they want people talking about it

as we are right now. We're talking. The comments, we're talking. I'm just saying. Nick and Vanessa weren't. I will say, they definitely didn't do their job. Chelsea needs some credit. She doubled down on the make and box comment

in a way that I think is respectful where she said, I'm really stinkingly proud of myself the way I handled it. I am proud of her too. She's handled it a good way. Yeah, she's been a great sport. She's taken some punches online and she's done a good job of taking it with a grain of salt and laughing along with everyone else.

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Welcome to the Vox House. Thank you. How are you? I'm good, I'm good. Great, now how's your heart? You know, she's healed. She's healed? She's healed. Okay, good. Well, how's your heart? You know, she's healed. She's healed? She's healed.

Okay, good. Well, not that we want to make you relive your trauma. I don't know. I am perfectly great now, thank you so much. We're like, well, let's break your heart again. A, we are very glad to have you. Yes, happy to be here. Really enjoyed watching you this season.

I think I speak for most people, not only in this room, but just everyone listening, that you are a fan favorite of this season. I think I speak for most people, not only in this room, but just everyone listening that you are a fan favorite. That's great news. Of this cast. That is great news. And while we do, you know, we hope to talk to maybe other Love is Blind people, like, you know, post reunion,

I like to bring in one person from the cast and you're the person I wanted to bring in. No pressure. Well, I think you're more than capable of handling. Thank you, thank you. What I really enjoyed watching you is this like, you seem to be one of the more observant people, self-aware people, you were funny and charming,

all those things. And then like a lot of people in your shoes who are intelligent and attractive and intuitive, but also maybe someone who at times had a hard time when it was about your love story, taking maybe your own advice. For sure. Or like paying attention to rad flats

that you might see for others, but not for yourself. And I just thought you would agree with that. Oh, story of my life. I can give advice for days and then someone will be like, so what about, like, can you relate to that? I'm like, no, actually, no, I would never do that. No. Yeah, oh, what?

I would never. Let's start at the beginning of your love is blind journey. If you don't mind, why did you sign up? Let if you don't mind. Why did you sign up? Let's go all the way. How did you sign up? Did you sign up? Did you get referred? I know Jeremy says he got reached out to by people.

How did you be? I was scouted as well. I was scouted, yes. It was a very actually pretty funny story. At the time I was working at a nightclub and my ex actually owned the nightclub. And so whoever was on casting scouted me via my Instagram and they went to the nightclub's Instagram.

And so they called him looking for me, but obviously they did not know our relationship. So they're like, hey, this is such and such and we're casting for a dating show. And we had broken up, we were done. And he goes, haha, yeah, no, she's such and we're casting for a dating show and we had broken up, like we were done. And he goes, haha, yeah, no, she's good. Like we're good. And I'm like, so then he calls me and he's like,

you won't believe what just happened. And I'm like, what? What the fuck? I know he goes, this casting show, like love is something. Like they reach out and they want you on the show. And I was like, okay, what'd you say? He's like, well, I told him that we're together. And I said,

Oh, jail. Give me your number right now. He's like, hey, what'd you say? He's like, well, I told him that we're together. And I said, oh, Jail. Give me your number right now. Because we were broken up for a very long time. But I guess. So you weren't like, was this like a Jimmy housing friends situation? Oh, no, no, no. No.

No, we were broken up and he was like my boss at that point. And it was just very funny because he went out of his way to tell the lady that we were together. And I ended up calling the lady and I was just very funny because he went out of his way to tell the lady that we were together and I ended up calling the lady and I was like, what just happened? She was like, oh yeah, I really wanted to talk to you but he told me you guys were dating and I'm like, oh, that's so bizarre.

So not true. It's very untrue. And what did you say to your ex after he took the liberty of speaking for you? I said, how dare you? How dare you? Do you still work for him? No, no, no.

Fuck him. Well, no, not all that. Not fuck him. No, not fuck him. Okay, he's okay. He's cool. He's cool. Yeah.

Just overstepped there. Yeah, really aggressive. Whoa. Almost, you could argue, potentially completely change the trajectory of your life. Yeah. Because who knows if your life will ever be normal. I get very happy. This is my new normal. life will ever be normal. I get very happy.

This is my new normal. This is your new normal. I love it here. Are you glad that you went on the show? I'm very glad I went on the show. I am. Okay. All right, so you ended up on the show.

Now you're in the pods. What was that experience like for you? Woo, it's something you can't plan for. It was, it was kind of scary, low key, because you're kind of taken away from everything you know, like your friends, your family, all of your devices gone and you're leaning into your own thoughts 24 seven. It's just you until you get to the lounge with the girls

and you can kind of compare and contrast, but after a certain time, the girls, we stopped talking too because we're like, I don't know if you're talking about my man, but keep your distance. So it's really you battling your thoughts, like battling, like, who am I? What, like, how do I want to be perceived? Because you can't go in there and like,

flutter your lashes and like show your tits and like be like, oh, he's going to like me. Like, you really have to like, how am I going to sell myself? Who am I? And that was tough. Did you feel like you knew who you were before you went there? I did, yes.

Very solid, very secure. Did you learn anything new about yourself? Yes, I'm not that solid, not that secure. I'm just kidding. Yes, so much. I'm a fucking wreck. I'm a wreck. I did learn a bunch.

I learned a bunch. I learned that I am stronger than I thought, like mentally. I don't really put up with bullshit. I thought I did, but I really a bunch. I learned that I am stronger than I thought, like mentally. I don't really put up with bullshit. I thought I did, but I really don't. Yeah, pretty tough. So in the pods, you had a relationship with Matthew and Clay.

Yeah. Okay. Was there anything that we saw in the pods? You know, we know it's like every person on the show says the same thing. There's so much you don't get to see. Context sometimes is left out, yada, yada, yada. Specifically with the early stages of you in the pods

and you forming these relationships with both Matthew and Clay and around your relationship with Matthew. Is there any context that you would like to provide our audience as it relates to you going back and forth or just relationship with Matthew or do you feel like we saw a fairly accurate representation

of those two relationships unfolding? Ooh, so good. And you know, I think Netflix did their thing. They did their big one with that production. I think what they showed is how they wanted to be perceived and I think it was pretty accurate. Okay, Matthew has gone out and suggested that maybe he's being misrepresented.

Well, you know, the proof is in the reunion pudding. Okay. They aired out, the proof is in the pudding. Say more. We have receipts of him actually saying the same exact thing word for word verbatim to me and the other Amber. So, he tried to deny it and...

Yeah, that was nuts. It was insane to watch. Why do you think that was? If you could psychoanalyze Matthew, do you think that, I mean, because he doesn't seem like an idiot. No, not at all. Right, everyone knows it's a TV show.

Everyone's mic'd up. No one's like, it's not like, oh my God, we're filming? You know, oh shit, oh I was saying the same thing to all these women. Like, oh my God. So why do you think an intelligent, self-aware man, seemingly, decided that his move would be to verbatim

say to multiple women the same thing where it could be like, wait, I get maybe you have a line. You know, every guy has a line or two. It's like, oh yeah, he says that shit. But this was more like, fuck? Like, were you reading a script? That's, you know, I think if I had to say what I think it was, I think he was probably

going on a script. I think he wanted to be so meticulous with his words. And I think that like, he was like, I know this is gonna be my selling point. Like this is how I'm gonna rail in the girls. Like he didn't wanna go off script or like say anything too wild or outlandish that he would regret.

I think he thought he was coming from like a very gentleman point of view and he didn't wanna stray from being perceived as a gentleman. I think it was also more than the women. Also, like he talked about America over and over and over again. America was an underdog. The camera. He talked about the lights, the camera.

He was very hyper-vigilant of everything. Was that exclusive to Matthew, or were there other people who, and I gotta assume that at some point, you guys are in the pods for 10 days, again, there's a lot you don't see, it's hard to pretend you're not filming a TV show. So, was Matthew the exception, or more the rule

to like how self-aware, or how much the cameras were talked about? Again, things can be shown out of context, I mean, just because a guy says, oh my god, I hope I look good, doesn't mean he was there for to be a star. Could have been one moment, or that could have been one moment of several moments

where the guy wouldn't shut the fuck up about being on TV, which was it more for Matthew, and did anyone else, man or woman, kind of share the same kind of obsession as Matthew? Matthew had a very deep obsession with the cameras. He was freaked out by it the entire time and he made it very clear every chance he got. He was like, you know they're watching us.

I'm like, yeah, no shit. I'm well aware. And he would say things like, I just want to get you out of here. I'm like, talk to you one on one. I'm like, but you signed up for a show. What are we doing here? And he wasn't the only one,

like he was fixated in a bizarre way where other people were kind of like, oh yeah, like the cameras, I'm doing this for the cameras. Please. I feel like Matthew definitely said there were several lines of his about America, about people watching him, about being on a TV show, to the point where I was uncomfortable.

Very, very. And like, I know, I guess it was Sarah Ann that he talked that that was like the opening. And she talked and he just left. Thank fucking God. You didn't get that vibe from him. I think we had our first date had to be like 15, 20 minutes long. OK. And so the first few minutes he was probably like my third or fourth date. So I was just like, at this point, I'm exhausted. Like, you know how when men get to talking, you're like, oh, yeah, really.

So right. Why are you talking? So after like five or six minutes of him, I was kind of going back and forth with this stalemate of, hi, hi, what's up, what's up? He kind of said a joke and I like giggled and he's like, oh, you think I'm funny? And I was like, I mean, yeah, kinda. And so then after that, he just kept making jokes

and like making me giggle and I'm like, ha ha ha, so funny. So like that was kind of like our like breaking point where he was just like, you get my sense of humor and I was like, I do. When did you find out what Matthew looked like? When I got home from the getaway. And did you like go online or?

Oh, he found me on Instagram. He found you. Did you agree that he looked like Clark Kent like everyone said? In person, yes. In person? Yeah. You find him attractive in person?

I do. You saw him in person. I saw him in person. Where? Post wedding, we went on a few dates. Oh! Oh! And?

And, and. You look good naked? I wouldn't know. Okay. I would not know. But we do know that you obviously test drive the car before you buy it. I wasn't interested in buying the car.

We were buying the car. No, we were not buying the car. We were not buying the car. We were not buying the car. We don't. Oh no, same, but. We were buying the car. We had no interest.

No, no, no. So just a couple dates. Just a few dates. Okay, and just not interested. Not not interested, just not my type outside of what we had going on. We live two completely different lifestyles and he's very strict and super disciplined and I just was like, yeah, no, it's not gonna work for me. Who asked who out on the date?

He asked me out. The first date was more of like an apology and he just felt like shit, like he was really down bad and he wanted to apologize. And, but I wasn't his first date. Oh. He went on a little like, he's like, He wants blind recap. More like I'm gonna be the bachelor from the season of Love is Blind.

He just went on like a redemption tour. He went to see Amber. Oh yes. And he, I guess apologized to her as well. Had, was it the same conversation that he had with Amber that he had with you? Probably, yeah, okay. And to, you know, I gotta say,

obviously we're having some fun at Matthew's expense, but when you say apologize, like did he really do anything wrong or? From his point of view, it was more or less that he broke our hearts on national TV and he like really, he, you know, feels like he manipulated us. Did he?

I wouldn't say he didn't. I think he, I wouldn't say he broke my heart. I think that's extreme. I think he just wanted to. But you were disappointed. I was very disappointed. Was there like a crack in the heart? He wasn't broken.

Like maybe like a. A little bruised. It was bruised. Okay, so that part was accurate because well, that's a nice segue. It's not breaking me. You're not breaking me. Now, was that your ego or your heart, do you think? Oh, my heart for sure.

Okay. Yeah, for sure. Well, that's a nice segue into Clay because on the show, it does come across as you having a pretty solid connection with Matthew. Yeah. Even more so than with Clay at the time. Yeah. And then things went south with Matthew, even more so than with Clay at the time. And then things went south with Matthew.

Clay found out he was competing with Matthew, lost his marbles. Completely. His ego really percolated. But you seem to, one might say, fall into that trap potentially, because Clay, even behind a screen, seemed to present himself as a bit of a fuckboy.

A very charismatic, charming guy. I mean, we got to know more about Clay throughout the season. He's an athlete, he's very successful in his career, he seems like, I mean, he's got the resume. He is, what do they call him nowadays? The high value man. Oh, high value man. High value man.

Ew, I hate that term so bad. But I feel like Clay sees himself as a high value man. And he seems, you know, like a... All that being said, it seemed like he did present some red flags. For sure. What flags did you observe of his in the pods, looking back, and what ones did you feel like you maybe chose to ignore in the pods? Yeah.

The whole marriage thing, honestly, started in the pods. He was very afraid of marriage and long-term commitment, but simultaneously telling me, this is what I want so bad. So it's like at one hand, he's like, oh, I'm afraid. And the other hand, he's like, but I want I want so bad. So it's like at one hand he's like, oh, I'm afraid. And the other hand he's like, but I want you so bad. I want this, I wanna be married. And so I was like, well, show me. And you heard, cause it almost sounds like

in a very clever way, Clay said, I have a lot of potential. I just need someone to fix me. Oh, shit. And I'm like, hey. And you're like, oh, I'm a fixer potential. Yeah. I just need someone to fix me. Oh, shit. And I'm like, hey. And you're like, oh, I'm a fixer. I got you. You know?

He's like, I'm so close, I want this. Yeah. Here are my flaws. Yeah. I'm a vulnerable. And I'm like, that's it? Yeah. Because yeah, and then after the pause,

you guys get married, you get engaged. We get engaged. Yeah, we get engaged. Listen. Don't get married, clarify. You are a beautiful person. Thank person. Don't get married. But we know. We know.

Sorry. I said on this show that Clay's very first impression with you. Yeah. I saw that. He was, to me, he came across as someone who cared very much about looks and his reaction was subdued. And obviously he seemed to grow to appreciate you and all the things that you bring to the table. But what was your, when you met Clay face to face, what was your impression of his impression

of meeting you? And how did you feel about the physical connection that you guys had in that first moment? I thought his reaction to me was very appropriate. Again, there's so much you don't see, which I'm sure you're aware of, but we had a lot of spark in that moment. There was a lot of physical spark in that moment. Do you feel like maybe they didn't show as much?

Yeah. Yeah, I disagreed with Nick with that statement. I felt like he they didn't show as much. Yeah. Yeah, I disagreed with Nick when, with that. One man's opinion. Statement, I felt, yeah, I felt like he actually was very into you and especially when you were like, hold on, let me just. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let me just show you what's up. He was also very respectful.

He was trying to be very respectful and I appreciated that, yeah. Okay, as you got out of the pods, his big storyline was talking about his reservations on marriage, specifically his relationship with his dad. Living that experience with Clay and then watching it back. What was that like as a viewer and as a man? We always joke on this show that men are notorious for,

instead of ending a relationship and saying, hey, listen, I just don't think this is working and I'm sorry, I don't wanna date you, and what all those. The average guy would rather start fucking up, making mistakes or just saying, hey, I'm afraid of this and trying to present is not a viable option so that the woman will break up with the man.

And watching Clay on this show, all of his, in between all of his, you're amazing and I want this and I want this for myself and I love you and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, it was always sprinkled in with a bunch of, I'm afraid of marriage, my dad cheats, my brother cheats. And I saw it as like- Will Smith cheats, daddy cheats. Why were. And I saw it as like- Will Smith cheats, Diddy cheats.

Yeah, just like, why are we throwing Will Smith on the bus here? Like what happened? Like, I- What happened? Like, I- But I'm watching it and I'm saying, oh, this guy, like, knows he's not gonna say yes at the end.

Yeah. The whole time, it seemed like this guy is just like, hey, hey dude, just so you know, like, I'm not ready, you know, and that's how I saw it. Did you see it differently watching it back? Or again, what are we missing in terms of context? Yeah, I would love to put some context to this. Clay and I had so many conversations

about not moving forward. And I know it looks like I'm blindly following him off a cliff, and he's telling me, I don't wanna marry. And I'm like, okay, let's go get married. And he's like, no, I don't want to. And I know it looks like I'm blindly following him off a cliff. Like, and he's telling me, I don't want to marry. And I'm like, OK, let's go get married. And he's like, no, I don't want to. And I'm like, yeah. Like, there were so many conversations where I was like, I'm good to walk away. I'm good. I'm good to walk away. And he'd like, no, A.D., like, I really want to try.

I really want to do this. I really want to make this work with you. And I'd be like, OK, well, let's try. And then he would actually try and do things differently and show up for me in certain ways. And then he would hit me with a sprinkle. Like, I'm just afraid to get married. And I'm like, okay, well, again, we do not have to do this. I'm okay, I would rather not be humiliated in front of all of my family and friends.

And he's like, AD, I'm not gonna embarrass you. I'm not gonna humiliate you. And I said, okay. Damn, damn. And then what did he do? Well. To embarrass me. Yeah, cause I mean, watching it back, this motherfucker, like to the end.

To the end. To the end. I had a pretty good sense of what was gonna happen. And I was just like, wait, do they not get married? Cause like all the way up into the point where he says, I can't get married, even his vocal pauses were affirming to you. Yeah. In his nervousness of where he could have just not said

anything, he could have just stand there, and looked good in a suit. He was like, oh man, you look good, baby. He was calling you baby. Yeah! And all this other, and I'm like, you're about to break up with her. What the fuck are you doing?

Is that how it went down? That's exactly how it went down. Oh my God. That's exactly how it went down. And I walked up to him so proud. I'm like, oh, you look so good. He's like, you look good. I'm like, oh, we doing this.

We're locked in. I'm looking at his mom. I'm looking at my mom. I'm like, oh, we are. And he's like, just kidding. Wow. I loved when you turned around and you were like, well, and your entire family, they're like, yeah,

we're ready to go. We're not gonna sit here for this. No. We're done. We're done. That being said, you were committed to the experiment. I respect that. And you were locked into that,

but it is a crazy experiment. Insane. And just on like a outside of the experiment, it's hard to fault Clay for just being like, hey, listen, like I like you, and I feel like a connection here, and I wanna date you, he mentioned therapy. A hundred times.

A hundred times. He would never get himself into it. He did. He did, okay. He's currently in therapy. He's currently in therapy. Yes, yes, yes. But you seem pretty committed to being like,

listen, we're either gonna get married or fuck off. Is that what ended up happening with you two and why was that the case for you? Yeah, that's exactly what happened. We did stay in communication after a few weeks. It was, we started talking again, but it was very surface level conversations just to kind of check in with each other. But it was, you know, we started talking again, but it was very like surface level conversations just to like kind of check in with each other.

But it was important for me to stand on that because you had your chance. How much more time do you need to play my face? You had your chance. And he still wants to spin the block. Well, and you told him straight up, if you say no to me, like I'm not dating you after this. Yeah, and he told me, he was like,

I didn't think you were serious. Oh. He said, I thought that we were gonna date after that. Yeah. Not joking, he thought that like, he could still like pull me in. Yeah, and we got that vibe when he came to see you. In the room, yeah.

Yeah, and he kept trying to kiss you. Clay does strike me as a man who's been able to Smoon. Smoon and maneuver. And maybe, you know, he's a salesman. He knows what to say. Yeah, so that is not surprising to me to find out that Clay was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, sure, sure, sure. Yeah, that's exactly how he was.

Some girl's like, I don't do anal. And he's like, oh, you know. We'll see about that. We'll see, we'll see. Okay you know. We'll see about that. We'll see, we'll see, we'll see. You do today. So when? You do today.

Jail. I know, immediately, immediate prison. On a scale of one to like, totally fucking shocked, how, where were you when you actually said no? Like, were you? High eights. High eights were you? High eights. High eights, okay. High eights, yeah.

I knew there was a chance, but I didn't think, I thought once our parents were there, family was there, I was like there's no way he's gonna like do that in front of his mom, in front of my mom. There's no way, so. Okay. Do you think he was ever going to propose or do you think something switched in his mind?

Like say yes, do I think he was ever gonna say yes? Yeah, was there a moment, do you think something switched in his mind? Like say yes? Do I think he was ever going to say yes? Yeah. Was there a moment, do you feel like he was like, no, I'm going to do this or despite everything he said to you, deep down, he was like, there's this no fucking way. And like you kind of just mentioned to us, him acknowledging, well, I just thought we were going to date and him just assuming, all right, she's telling me she won't date me, but like, listen, I'm not fucking getting married.

And I like this woman, she's wonderful, and we're just gonna date, and I'm gonna get into therapy, and I'm not gonna be Will Smith anymore. That was so bizarre. Has he apologized to Will Smith? No, no, no, no. I had hoped. Take a minute while he's down.

I had hoped that he would say yes. I did, I mean. But you hoped. I hoped. But who's ever 100% sure in this kind of experiment? Like you're only 100% sure, you know. I mean, I asked Nick if he would turn me down at the altar and he said, I hope not.

I hope not either, that would be so bizarre. We have a baby together, can I see your ring? Oh my. I know. That's how you feel? Do you still have your rig? I do, I do. You get to keep it? I do.

Wow. Yes. What's it doing? It's chilling in a jewelry box. Collecting dust. Collecting dust, for sure. You're gonna keep it? Yeah, why not?

Yeah, it's a good memento. Do you know how much it's worth? No, I didn't appraise it. Did you like it? Or were you like, yeah, it could be better? It was cute. I was like, you picked last, you picked last didn't you? And he was like, yeah.

Damn. I need my man to run to the front of the line and get the best ring. And I could tell he got, it was cute, it was cute. Were there some moments between you and Clay that you'd wanna share with us that we didn't get to see that either A, despite you guys not working out,

you want the people to know, or on the flip side, were there fights or red flags that we didn't get to see that you would wanna provide some context to? Honestly, I think the show showed exactly what went down. I don't okay. Yeah reunion wise with with clay was there anything that What what we're going into the reunion? What were you hoping to hear from clay if anything and then what did you hear and were you satisfied?

Or disappointed with how that all went down at the reunion between you and Clay? Yeah, I wanted Clay to take accountability for everything, for all of his actions, for leading me on, for playing in my face, and just for being weird when you didn't have to be. And Clay took accountability for everything, for being weird, for leading me on, for embarrassing me. He manned up and said sorry in front of everybody. So you were satisfied.

Very satisfied, yeah. Okay. Did it turn you on a little? I mean. Were you like, wait a second. I wasn't mad about it. Let's talk about it. No, because then he goes, oh, and you know,

I feel like I made a mistake. Well, duh. And I want you back. And everybody's like, so how do you feel about that? I'm like, made a mistake. Well, duh. And I want you back. And everybody's like, so how do you feel about that? I'm like, ah. So he's still fighting for you? That's his plan to fight for me. It's his plan to fight for you.

He's done his plan. A lot of people break up and despite saying we'll never get back together, have a couple moments of weakness and hook up sometimes. Did anything happen between you and Clay after he left you at the altar? Or did you guys have any late night rendezvous, hang out in the same cities, moments of passion?

Sometimes the relationship is toxic, but the sex is good. And it's hard to say goodbye to the sex, even though you can say goodbye to the relationship. You're funny. He's funny. He's really setting this one up. Where did that land with you and Clay? Clay and I, we're flirty friends.

We are flirty friends. So if we see each other outside, we're like in each other's faces, we like hug and cuddle and we're all over each other. But again, we're like in each other's faces. Like we like hug and cuddle and like we're all over each other. But again, we're friends. Okay. Do you like to remind him of what he lost from time to time? Every chance I get.

Absolutely. Every chance I get. As you should. Wait till you see my reunion dress. Every chance I got to show him like, yeah. And do you feel like you've been successful in that? 100%. It's giving ariana- automatics at the skin of all reunion

in the red dress. Some of your peers have been pretty messy. I think, well, we Jeremy, Trevor, Sarah, Jimmy a little bit. Well, Trevor and Jeremy have those allegations coming at them. Yeah. Oof. Does anything happen with that at the reunion?

They both address it. Trevor tries to find the word and he just can't. So from your point of view, how do you interpret the allegation towards Trevor? I think it's unfortunate, but I don't think it's a lie. You don't, okay, you believe the allegations. I believe them, yeah. Yeah, they seem to be, you know, we live in a time, AI,

and it's not that hard to Photoshop things like that, but reading the text messages, it reads true. As someone who, like what he was saying, you know, it's too on the nose of what's- You would have to be there to know to say those type of things. Correct, yes, yeah. he was saying, you know, it's too on the nose of what's. You would have to be there to know to say those type things. Correct, yes, yeah. So he was, I mean, for anyone who doesn't know,

he was engaged when he went? Seemed to have a girlfriend. A girlfriend. Like a Russian bodybuilder. Okay. It seemed like, I don't know. Okay. For context, I don't know, right?

Okay. She's like, sure. Sure. I looked at her Instagram, I'm like, all right. I didn't look at the girl, I just. She's a fumb siren. I didn't look at her, I don't know, right? Okay. Sure. I looked at her Instagram, I'm like, all right. I didn't look at the girl. She pums siren. I didn't look at her. But yeah, like they met at the gym, it seems like.

The allegations are that she came out with all these text messages that he was sending her throughout before and after filming. Oh. Before and after, like the pods, before the pods. So we have to hand our phones and devices. And so they had a deep conversation about how he loves her, can't wait to come home to her and marry her.

And then after, you know, it kind of proceeded the same way. Very strange. What was your read on, well, let's just maybe go through the whole cast. Who are you closest with? Actually closest with girls that weren't featured. Okay.

Yeah. Like who? Alejandra, Danette, Danielle, Ashley, those girls that were not featured. How do they feel? About what? That they weren't featured. I don't know, let's get them on here now.

Well, I mean, some of them, they just like didn't find love, right? Yeah, some didn't. A lot of it is just, you know. They just didn't get engaged. Just didn't get engaged. Yeah, some didn't. A lot of it is just, you know. They just didn't get engaged. Mm-hmm. Just getting engaged. Some didn't, yeah.

What's your read on Kelsey? From where we stand, a bit whiny. Chelsea. Chelsea, sorry, Chelsea. Jimmy referred to her as, what was it? Clingy. Clingy. Yeah, what was your read on her?

It's a very interesting point of view because I know Chelsea from a woman's point of view. I know her as a girl's like a girlfriend. So to see her like that, you know, meek towards a man when I know her as a confident, strong woman, I was I was like, there's no way she's letting this little man break her down like that. Like, I was shocked. I didn't think he could do that to her.

I mean, your conversation with Sarah and at the lake ate her up was Oscar winning. Ate her to pieces. Your conversation with Sarah Ann at the lake was Oscar winning. Eight her to pieces. You did a great job of confronting her while simultaneously, both probably confusing her and the audience of like being her friend. Yeah, I was like, wait.

Like she is so incredibly nice. Who's siding she out? What's happening here? It's like me interviewing people. That's your friend. I'm just kidding, your best friend. But yes, to Nellie's point, loved how you did that. Thank you.

What was your, you know, like anything again we didn't get to see there, and do you want to add any other context to that conversation? I have suggested in past episodes that, from right or wrong, black or white, I have a very rigid opinion on fidelity and things like that. But this show is fascinating because it is an experiment.

And as I've mentioned before, there are relationships from Love is Blind that now exist that didn't start in the pods. And I guess to your conversation with Sarah, was it more about her approach than anything? 100%. And I never wanted to like invalidate her feelings. Like if you love that man, love him. But there's only a few short weeks you could have waited till after the altar to

see like where it was going. But for you to infiltrate while they're already in turmoil and then to like add, you know, fuel to it was just, I thought the timing was off, I thought it lacked class, I thought it was like, you could have just waited a few more weeks to see what the decision was. Yeah, did they really just go jet skiing? 100%, right in front of all of us, into the sunset. Yeah. Wearing his shirt.

Yeah. What are you hiding, Jeremy? He's hiding so much that he wears his Hawaiian shirt on the water. That man has secrets. I don't know if Jeremy is a serial killer. That's an aggressive accusation, but he does not want you to see his Google search,

for sure. That man has some weird hobbies. Well, his, I think, conversation with Laura, where he's like, I'm not talking about that right now. It was like, oh, you don't want to say something in front of the cameras you sneaky motherfucker What you got going on? What did you think of the whole him meeting up? Oh, it's Sarah till 5 a.m. At her house and him being like well. I shared my location I think Laura is a strong woman because I would have got in my car

And I would have pulled out of pulled up. Where are we going? Where are we going? This feels like a field trip. She's strong. I would have gotten my car. No doubt about it. I thought it was just brave of her to sit and wait for him to come home.

And he has come out since saying that like, did he, oh, he claims that in the pods he was very open about this relationship, this engagement that the woman he was allegedly engaged with claims there was some overlap and things like that. He says that's not the case and he also claims that in the pods he was very transparent about this relationship, it just wasn't shown.

Can you confirm that either with your own experience? I can't confirm, but Laura confirmed at the reunion that the times matched up. Okay. Yeah. All right. And what is just your read on Jeremy as a human being? But Laura confirmed at the reunion that the times matched up. Okay. Yeah. All right. And what is just your read on Jeremy as a human being? I have no read on that man.

I don't know anything about him. I don't know why he's in such a hot commodity with the ladies. I don't know. Is he? I mean, the fiance and Sarah and Laura, it's just, I don't get it. I don't see it, but. Well, Laura just met him in the pod, so there's that. To me he seems very robotic.

He's very, with his responses, he's just like, yes I did. Okay, that is okay that you see that. Yeah, I don't know much about him. He's so like, brick wall. No. Was Sarah at the reunion? She was at the reunion. Because Sarah, we can now confirm, right,

that they are together. Are Sarah and Jeremy together? They are. They are together. They live together. Are they engaged? Are they married? I think they just live together. Well, there's that. Good for them.

Good for them. No one seems to be excited about them. I just was everyone's approach at the whole thing, the way that everyone handled that situation, everyone being Sarah. Yeah, it was weird. Was weird. They did, y'all, they did take accountability.

They did apologize to Laura. Yeah, it was like heated at first, but they did apologize and they were like, that was weird, we could have waited waited we could have done things differently for sure I wonder what they would have done differently Not got caught not a car turn off your location. What did you think of Jess when you see me? You were going to choke the epi thing. I felt that in my soul I felt that in my soul because I had the same feeling yeah, I just didn't say that you know, but I felt that in my soul. Because I had the same feeling. I just didn't say that, you know?

But I felt that, like yeah. Good luck. Well, and I'm curious because, you know, love, the show's love is blind. The women are hanging out with the women, the men are hanging out with the men. Clay, it very kind of, was very transparent on how he felt about Matthew

and whether he felt like he was his equal. And I gotta assume that that's not the only conversation like that that has happened. You women get to observe each other, your personalities, your tics, your icks, whatever, you get to see how each other look. What was that like and did you see either with yourself or with other the women, did you see any competition

in the common rooms and how did that interact with like, how did that affect people's reactions? Did you see people compare themselves and what role did looks, even though it's not part of the conversation, play with how people handed themselves in the pods? Competition was low. I don't think we spent our days competing.

I think we were just so focused on our dates and stuff. And also, I didn't know that they were dating the same man. I had no idea what was going on. I didn't know that, like, who she was talking about. Like, we kind of kept our cards pretty close to our chest. And so when she's crying about, I love that man. Y'all, when I walked around, I was like, I don't even know who she's crying about.

I had no idea what was going on. I was just like, my girl is down bad. I need to comfort her. I didn't know what was going on. But you only knew about Amber because she was talking about it. She came to you. And that was crazy for her to not even say his name

and be like, this man was just saying, and you're like, sounds familiar. Interesting. Lucky me. like, it sounds familiar. Interesting. Lucky. Yeah, that was nuts. Well, speaking of competition and Chelsea at the beach, Jimmy made a comment about how you're stacked and then she said it out loud.

How did that make you feel that whole situation? I mean, I am stacked. Period. Period. I am, obviously. I mean, I am stacked. Period. Period. I am. Obviously. I mean, the broadcast of it was crazy. That, like, I feel like that could have gone a few ways. Like for me, if my man was like, oh, she's stacked,

I would have looked and be like, yeah, she is. She looks fucking good. Or I'd have been like, not too much. We can talk about it when we get home. But I'm not gonna now point to this poor girl and be like, by the way, my man said, you're fucking stacked like that. And I'm just like, ha ha ha, squawking Jesus, girl.

Like just like in an awkward, what am I to do? I mean, it's true. I feel like that happens. It is true. Even with like the bean debt. Everything. Conversation. Yeah.

Do you think that was Jimmy being uncomfortable and awkward? Very uncomfortable and awkward. Okay. Yeah. He had no idea what was going on. So I don't know how she explained the joke to him, but he was like, huh, huh, huh, Laura told me to smack your girl's tit. And Clay's like, what the fuck?

Yeah. He didn't know what was going on. Yeah. Because it seemed like the impression we got watching it is that Jimmy in the pods was seen as some sort of alpha. Are you talking about Jeremy? Jimmy, like a lot of the women seemed to really like Jimmy in the pods.

Oh, okay. I don't know, that's the impression I got watching it. Like a lot of the, there was a scene where it seemed like a lot of the women were. Wanting him. Wanting him, like he was the hot commodity in the pods. And it seemed like out of the pods, and the impression I'm getting from talking to people

or watching it or hearing from you is that Jimmy outside of the pods. Are we talking about Jimmy or Jeremy? Jimmy. Jimmy was a Chelsea and Jess. Jimmy's the one who commented on her butt. Jeremy is the one who said like the bean dip conversation. No, I know that, yeah.

I'm sorry, I'm seguing into Jimmy. Oh, okay. I apologize. We're going back. There's a lot of it, that's my bad.'m sorry, I'm seguing you to Jimmy. Oh, okay. I apologize. We're going back. There's a lot of it, that's my bad. But Jimmy, what was your read on Jimmy, both in the pause and out of the pause? I had one date with Jimmy and I never talked to him again.

And then I saw him for the first time at the beach day and I was like, oh, that's not what I thought he would look like. I don't know what I thought, but that wasn't it. And then when he came over after the whole she stacked thing and started talking to me, I was like, oh, like, that's not what I thought he would look like. I don't know what I thought, but that wasn't it. And then when he came over after the whole she's stacking and started talking to me, I was like, oh, he kind of like smooth a little bit, like a little swaggy, like a little chill. So we started conversing. And then that blew up into this whole you left me to talk to A.B.

And I'm just like, well, we were just chatting like we had. We have a lot in common. Like, we know a lot of the same people. Like we just vibed on a lot of things, and it was funny that it blew up that way. That was their first fight. Yeah. What did she say in Mexico, where she's sobbing, crying,

and he's like, I'm feeling uncomfy. I'm feeling uncomfy. Oh, my girl is down. Uncomfy. Not uncomfy. Uncomfy. She was down bad, y'. She was. I want to give her a hug. Do you think, well you've been, you know, so far a lot of what you're saying is for the most part

things were fairly accurate. Yeah. And do you think she was accurately represented? I mean yeah, if you cry they're gonna show it. They can't, they can't, AI a cry on. I just more like her, like her displaying her insecurities. Yeah, I think that's exactly who. Who she is AI a cry on. I just more like her displaying her insecurities. Yeah, I think that's exactly who she is. Yeah. I think it was magnified for sure. Yeah, so everything about what you guys were involved in is magnified.

What did you learn about, I mean, I know you teased it in the beginning of this conversation, but in all seriousness, what did you really, as you've, and how long ago was this filmed? Last March. Last March. Yeah. Wow. So about a year.

Yep, just about. So you've had some time to reflect. Like, how are you a different person at all from this experience? I'm not a red flag chaser anymore. I've learned to kind of like take people at face value and what I see is what I get and not try to paint a different picture.

And that's with all relationships, not just men, like women and family. I'm just like, okay, this is what they're presenting me. This is how they want to show up for me. So this is what I have to accept instead of trying to dig and find the good and the potential. Like I'm over that phase of my life.

I feel like your mom shined so bright. So bright. She's such a star. Is that where you get your bravery and your strength and your resilience? Like is that? 100%. Yeah, she is like most moms, the strongest woman I know.

You know the vibe. Yeah, I know the vibe. Oh. No. I'm gonna be going with my baby. I know. Oh my God. She's so powerful to my baby. I know. Oh my God. She's so powerful.

And she's, you know, always, always like just made sure that I was the most confident girl in whatever room I stepped in. Like she just made sure that I knew I was beautiful and I knew I was talented. And I knew that like I was that girl from a very young age. She made sure I knew. Damn.

You can see that. Yeah. I loved y'all's. Thank you. It was a fun dynamic. What are her thoughts about the whole situation now that it's in the past? She's happy that I went through it. And she's very much like, life is life.

If he wasn't ready, he wasn't ready. He's not the one, he's not the one. And you did it, and next. Next. Next. And what is your relationship status these days? Ooh, I'm so single. What camera do I look at?

That one. This one right here? Yeah. I'm so single. Okay. Wait, that was hot. Ah! Describe your perfect match.

Oh, no. Yeah, who's your perfect match? Who's your type? What's your type? My type gets me in trouble. Yeah. But for the record, tall, dark skin, athletic, built. Rich would be nice. Yes, of course.

Gentle, kind, patient, respectful, family man. What's maybe a quality that you've learned through this experience about how you would like to be treated in a relationship that maybe you didn't value before you went into the pods? I would probably say I would like to be met with more gentleness. I think Clay was very, and like aggressive,

and like some of me kind of gravitated toward it because I like an alpha male and I'm just like, oh, but I think I need to be more coddled and loved on and like a little bit more affectionate and just treated like a princess and not like a football player teammate. Like I'm a lady. Yeah.

Put some respect on my name. Just a ladybug. I'm a lady, just a baby. Just a baby. I loved how you, anytime Clay would pipe up a little bit, you'd be like, whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa, not too much. Not too much. Take it down.

And he would. And he would. Yeah, you're watching you listen to Clay, like really just anyone. You could always tell you were very astute to some of the weird things people said. You know, people do that a lot in public. People say things that, for most people, they don't either not paying attention, or they don't pay attention to it, I can always tell you were very astute to some of the weird things people said.

You know, people do that a lot in public. People will say things that most, for most people they don't, either not paying attention. Yeah, I catch on all the time. Yeah, you'll catch on. Yeah. Yeah, which I really enjoyed watching you. Thank you.

Do that, especially with Clay. But yeah, just, it was fun to watch. Do you think you're better now at observing that for your own sake? Oh, 100%. Like now it's just like, it's like an antenna automatically. I'm like, oh, that was weird. Oh, why you say that?

And I speak on it now. I don't just like let it boil up in me. I'm like, oh no, that was weird. Let's chat. And before you were on Love is Blind, you were a bit of a celebrity yourself. You were a cheerleader for New England Patriots. New England Patriots, Charlotte Hornet. Charlotte Hornet.

Yeah. How did you get to do Charlotte Hornet and New England Patriots? Yeah, so I'm born and raised in Boston, Massachusetts. Well, Boston, and then I moved to like a town. Everybody from my town is really mad that I stopped seeing the town, but Norwood, y'all, Norwood. And it's right next to like Foxborough, Gillette Stadium,

and I grew up cheerleading and dancing, and I auditioned for the team. I ended up making the team. I cheered four years. On my fourth year, I was captain, pro bowl cheerleader, and I went to a Super Bowl. Damn. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. Okay. Any fun, like, anecdotal stories? Did you meet any players, date any players? Is that off limits? I didn't date any players. We weren't allowed to date them,

but I had friends for sure. Like who were your friends? Are you allowed to say? No. Yeah, NDA. Yeah. Do you have to sign an NDA? No.

I don't know. I think they're all married now, so. Yeah. We don't want her up, we don't. We don't want to do that. I don't know. I think they're all married now. We don't want to interrupt. We don't want to Sarah Ann that. No, I love that. It's a new term. Don't Sarah Ann. Don't be a Sarah Ann.

Man, what an experience. New England for four years. We're only allowed to do four years in New England. So after I retired, I was like, I'm done dancing. And my family's from Charlotte, well, my mom is from North Carolina. So I was going down there and visiting friends and stuff and I was like, okay, time to move.

And so I ended up moving. I had no intentions on dancing. And then I got approached by a girl and she was like, hey, you should really come to like a dance class, whatever. And I went and so happened the coach was the coach of the Charlotte Hornet Honeybees. And so I was like, oh, like I heard you guys

are having an audition. She's like, yeah, like you should come, audition, made the team. Yeah. Where do you see your career life going from here? Are you gonna move to LA? If something brings me out here, I would love to. I love it here.

But right now I'm just riding this wave, taking it day by day. You still in real estate? I am. Okay, how's that going? It's going. It's going, yeah. Anything we can do to help?

Any houses on the market we can tell people to go look at? No, no, let's do this thing, yeah. How would you, now that you've done the experiment, a lot of people, especially this season, I have my own views, I think audience members are a little, it's like, especially when this is like, oh, they need, like the, who's ever doing the casting of this show?

Yeah. You know, I mean, like, people act like it's supposed to be some sort of like top secret, like clearance. I mean, it's someone who's done reality TV. So I say this with no judgment. It takes a certain type of person. For sure. Who's willing to do this crazy ass fucking experiment.

It's not for everyone. You know, Love is Blind or The Bachelor might be lucky enough to cast someone of your quality. They also might end up with a Jeremy. Yep. Or a Trevor. That's kind of my read on it. How do you feel about is there anything if

Love is Blind, the good people at Kinetic who produced this show, said AD, we think you're smart. We like your take on things. You've done this show. What should we do to improve this show? Either from the cat, from either production to the post, the editing, anything from cradle to grave, what would AD say? How could the show be improved to make the viewing experience or the cast experience more authentic? What a question. I'm gonna be completely honest, and I'm gonna be so honest.

I had such an amazing experience. And I don't think I'm the one to answer that question because my experience was so amazing. Now, if I had to nitpick and say what I would say, the vetting process on the men and like what it actually means, like, are you in a situationship? Are you in a relationship? Are you engaged? Like, really break that down. And like these are this is what it means. Are you in a relationship? Yes you engaged? Like really break that down. And like these are, this is what it means. Are you in a relationship?

Yes, yes, yes, yes, no, no, no. Are you in a situation? Yes, yes, yes, yes. Cause they don't know. When like really like let's vet that a little bit deeper because they're like, oh, well we weren't together. Okay, but you were fucking her for the last six months. So does she think y'all were together?

Does she think, right. Does anyone think you're in a relationship with you? Right, that part. That needs to be on there. And if so, how do we rectify that? But, I mean, I had an amazing experience, so I probably am not the one with the. Well, maybe, I mean, you know,

you could have amazing experience and still improve it. Yeah, for sure. I would like to see, you know, when people painted the pictures, and maybe this happens, I don't know, I would like to see you guys give each other the pictures you guys are drawing and share it with each other

without meeting each other to see. Everyone didn't have a painting date. Okay, they didn't. No. Also, it'd be kind of funny to meet each other's parents before we meet each other face to face, see what each other's parents look like. I would marry Clay off of his mother's strength alone.

That conversation with Clay's mom and Clay's dad. Woo. Your wedding. She set him on fire. So she must have just, because obviously he really put his father on blast. This entire show.

So he must have came to his mom and was like, listen, I talked about this. It's gonna air on national television. You need to know that he took me with him to cheat on you. And that was, I guess, what she was referring to. And she was like, I found out things through this experiment that you need to apologize for.

That conversation, I feel like this show, if nothing else, it didn't work out for y'all, but thank God they had that conversation. Yeah, that brought everything full circle. It made everything make sense. Yeah. Yeah. That his dad wasn't even like, he's like, I think it's good.

And she's like, no, that's why. The circle and everything is connected. It all made sense, right? It really did. Are you aware of, were there any further conversations and further healing from that? Or do you know you know anything about I don't know anything about it I'm sure they're working through it Were you surprised by clay putting his dad on blast in the way that he did? I?

Didn't know he was putting him on blast. I thought this was like a whole Everyone knew kind of thing. I didn't know that no one knew they made some beautiful Children when they showed his brothers. I didn't know that no one knew. They made some beautiful children. Yeah. When they showed his brothers I was like, oh my. It's like one after the other. I know. They all look so different. Although I did kind of know that Clay wasn't going to say yes when his brother showed up in a tank top. Langston. Y'all are funny. Y'all are funny. He's not saying yes. Y'all are so, y'all are wrong for that. He's so sweet.

What's the other brother's name? Nate. And then Nate's in his collared shirt. Just loving every bit of this. That was cute. You're funny. Sorry. But you had a great experience. I did.

Would you do it again? I would. Love. With a different batch. Absolutely. Yeah, then I would, yeah. Why, I mean, maybe, should Love is Blind do that? Maybe some, bring back some people who,

Bachelor's done it, hell, you know? People have had a second or third run. Yeah. Love is blind in paradise. Imagine. Oh, that's crazy. So, Love is Blind comes to you and says, hey, we got a new batch.

I'm not gonna tell you who or what, but do you wanna do this shit again? You would say yes? Yeah, I would say. And they'd be like, we know now, like, what you need. Ooh, yeah. No, she doesn't get that.

She doesn't get that. Yes, she's a veteran. She does get it. I need some kind of perk. Yeah. Okay. She would definitely need a little like. Incentive.

Yes. Like let me know there's some lookers in there. Some lookers. But not who. Yeah, not who. That could make it more dramatic. Knowing that, hey, there are some people, we have casted your perfect type.

Ooh. Damn. And they're in there. I'm going. But we're not gonna tell you who. Damn. I'll figure it out. I would figure it out. Off-ramp, I would figure it out. Okay. I'm going. But we're not gonna tell you who. Damn. I'll figure it out. I would figure it out.

Off-ramp, I would figure it out. I'm confident. Yeah. Well, we have a few more questions for you, but it's time for texting office hours. And this is a big part of the interview. We're gonna put the heat on someone else. Someone calls in with a relationship problem question

in the room, including you. We're gonna see if we can help them out. You down for that? Yeah, hell yeah. It's time for texting office hours. Ladies and gentlemen. What are you doing? What do you mean?

I'm making it simple. I'm making the promo. Just keep it simple. Just say, hey, we're the Braav bros, two guys that talk about Bravo. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, we're the Braav bros. No.

Dude, stop with the voice. Just keep it simple. I've seen promos on TV dude this is how you get the fans engaged this is how you get listeners we're trying to get listeners here if we just say oh we're two dudes that talk about Bravo people are gonna get tired of it already we need some umph. Alright then fine let's try to do it with your voice. Brav bros good job. How's it going? It's going good my My name's Claire, 29, and got this issue going on. I'm at the gym.

This guy's staring at me. Seems like he wants to approach, wants to say something. Does he just have a staring problem or is he interested? I just don't know. Okay, how long has this gym love affair been going on? It's been like a month. Like it's been a while. And like it stares, smiles, stares, and then doesn't do anything about it. What's Jim Love affair been going on? It's been like a month. Like it's been a while.

And like, it stares, smiles, stares, and then doesn't do anything about it. Are you staring back? I've tried literally everything. Take my headphones off. I've tried to smile a little bit. We have mutual friends, so if they're in the area, like I'll go say hello to them and give them a smile

and keep walking and nothing. You have mutual friends? Yes, like acquaintances we'll call them. Okay. Do you know their names? Yes. Why don't you slide into his DMs? So he, the other thing is he's liked a few of my stories getting very like, girl, you know, go get your door is open.

Go get your door is so open. Do you have one of those like, I don't make the first move non-negotiables? Like what, like? I would prefer not to. I mean, I'm not scared of much if anything, but I would prefer if he would just say hello. Sure, we all prefer things. I actually saw something on the internet,

I think like this last week that women who make the first move, if they enter that relationship, somehow increases that chances of that relationship ending up in marriage or something. Yeah. Which Natalie slid in my DMs. Did you really? Oh.

Okay, girl. I got it. Okay. I mean, it's funny. I said, Natalie, myself and Natalie's mom went out to dinner the other day. We went, and's this place in LA called the Wolfman's Lodge. What's it called? Sportsman's Lodge.

It's a bunch of restaurants and shopping centers. There's also an Equinox there. I only bring this up because in LA, we have nice weather, we have a gym down the street, but I also just like to go for a run and work out outside. I literally thought to myself, granted I'm older, I'm in a wonderful relationship,

and I thought to myself, who the fuck would come to this place and pack a gym bag, fucking 20 minutes to find parking, go into the gym, change, all this fucking bullshit. And I'm thinking to myself, the only reason I would go to the gym is to meet people because it's like a social environment. Now, granted, we've all heard the stories, especially from women being like,

hey, listen, I'm here to work out. Don't fucking talk to me. That's not where I wanna hit on. But at the same time in 2024, it's harder and harder to meet people these days. We're becoming more and more connected to our phones and we're less social. This is all to say like, yeah yeah, you're at the gym,

you're making it so obvious, instead of wasting all this energy wishing he would come up to you, maybe he's just a nervous guy. And fairness to whoever this guy is, even if he is full of swag and comfortable with women, it's 2024 and a lot of men these days have been told point blank,

do not fucking go up to a woman at the gym and hit on her. So you are dealing with that. And if you guys have mutual friends and he's tapping, the guy is liking pictures on your Instagram, what more of a sign do you need? And you could slide in with something that's not that serious. You could respond and be like, hoping you say hey to me tomorrow.

He keeps staring. You slide in his DM and say, maybe tomorrow's the day. Maybe tomorrow's the day you say hey to me. Literally today, I was getting out of my car and he was walking by and he did a full on turnaround, looks at me and then I was walking in, he was walking by and he did a full-on turn around looks at me And then I was walking in he was walking out and I'm like that would have been y'all are both playing y'all are both Playing games cuz if you notice that he did a full turnaround that means you did a full turnaround And period y'all are playing games

You need to send a DM I know it's nice to like have someone else do the work for you. And even though it's 2024 and gender roles are constantly evolving and changing, I know of a lot of women who still like the traditional chivalry from a man. That being said, as we've all kind of discussed, just hit on the guy. Give him the okay. Yeah, yeah. The okay.

And listen, I get it. Like maybe this is a sign. Maybe this is, as we've discussed, a beige flag. Maybe he's just not the type of guy who's going to take the lead on things in a way that you would want a man to do that. And maybe you will find that out as you go on a date and get to know him.

But he just as easily could be a respectful king who doesn't wanna hit at you on the gym. He is going out of his way to liking your pics on Instagram. He's taking initiative. And so like, I just don't think you have to have that heart of a line to be like, well, I'm just gonna wait for him to hit on me. You know, like at this point,

it's your responsibility to break the ice. And then going forward, if you go out on me, you know? Like at this point, it's your responsibility to break the ice. And then going forward, if you go out on dates, if you get to know the guy, you can still find out if he has a type of energy or the type of masculinity or is willing to take the type of initiative that you need your partner to take, even though you're the one who makes the first move.

Yeah, and I've like also been told I have a semi intimidating face when I'm at the gym, because that's just what I, I'm there to do stuff. And it's like, okay, so then you're gonna say you're mad that he's not reaching out? Like, no. It's true.

Maybe, I think you just need to give him the okay, the go ahead and just slide in his DMs. Let's do it right now. Let's slide. Let's do it right now. Let's do it right now. Let's do it together. We'll do it all together You called you asked for our advice we're here giving it to you our advice is to just fucking do it You know and okay, you don't say I love you

What if he so I'm almost positive he so like we have mutual friends. Uh-huh. Do I know that he's almost positive, so like we have mutual friends, but do I know that he's available? So if I slide in his- He shouldn't be liking your photos if he's not available. And if he is, that's like fine, all right, he's not available. We're suggesting you slide into his DM and say something kind of cryptic and funny and playful.

We're not suggesting you DM and say, I'm obsessed with you, I love you. And if he happens to have a girlfriend, that's his problem, he shouldn't be, you know. And you don't need to be embarrassed or regretful. I wouldn't delete it or unsend it, okay. He's giving you no signs that he's taken. You shot your shot, he's not, no big, like what are we so afraid of here?

Yeah, I don't know. It's just, I think it is the gender role thing. You're just like breaking a gender role. All right, well let's bust out that phone. It's on airplane mode. You can take it off, it's fine. You can take it off. She's falling, she's falling.

I thought that was my out. We're gonna risk it. Okay, and I'm saying what? I think you should say, listen, we'll workshop it together. But I think it should be something... Like how's your neck after breaking it, turning all the way around all the time? Oh wow. You thought about that one. I think a good one, it could be like, maybe this is, you know, because you don't know what day he's working out. I don't know.

Is he pretty consistent? Are you guys consistent with your workout days? I mean, there's a day or two where it's pretty consistent, I don't know. Is he pretty consistent? Are you guys consistent with your workout days? I mean, there's a day or two where it's pretty consistent that I see him. Okay, like what day of the week is that? Tuesday will come. Tuesday, okay. You could be like, fingers crossed, Tuesdays a day you finally say hi to me.

I love that. I can't say see you next Tuesday, that doesn't sound right. No, you say exactly what it says. Yeah, I love that. Fingers crossed. Tuesdays a day that you finally say hi to me. Okay. Kind of love it.

I love that, yeah. Kind of love it. I would send that to him. It's so strange. Because it gives, I see you, see me. Yes. I see you, see me, now say something. And you're setting expectations to him.

You're letting him know that like, all right, you're gonna make me make the first move. Fine, I'm gonna fucking do it, but I'm gonna make you still say hi to me. Right. Because you could, the alternative, you could DM him and be like, hey, I saw you at the gym,

I was wondering if you wanna go out with me. Boring. Like, no. You're still requiring him to do something, but you're giving him the green light that most men these days are looking for to hit on a woman at the gym. And you're saying, it's okay.

Did you do it? Yeah. Did you send it? Yeah. You did, all right. Yay! I'm so scared. Why was I scared?

Send and fling your phone across the room. It's also like you live in a small town, everybody knows everybody, but then it's like, the other thing is the acquaintances or the friends that we have in common, I'm assuming he's asked about who I am and like what I'm like and everything like that. And there's nothing bad there's nothing bad.

Why are we embarrassed that we have an interest in a guy? There's nothing wrong with this. I know, I know. I think it's also, it's the letting go, especially at 29, like you're like expected to meet someone out organically or meet them at a bar or whatever. And then it's like, okay, then how are most people meeting people?

Apps or like, you know, all that stuff online. And it's like, how is this any different? It's not, no. And like I said before, it is tougher these days, and everyone wants to meet someone in person, but we've also introduced all these rules, these social cues that we're telling men and women to follow. It does get confusing out there

guys don't want to be called, you know annoying or creepy or you know no one wants to no no guy wants to walk up to a woman who's busting it out at the gym and And being like hey, you know, we're just and be like hey leave me alone. I'm working out, you know Right, and so I'm pretty sure that you're gonna be on a date with this guy by the end of the week. Yes. All right, and if you don't send us an email, tell us everything about it.

It was actually funny because while I was emailing, like trying to figure out what time that's when he walked by me and was staring at me and I was like. Fate, that is fate. Fate, damn. Okay, well. Maybe the first date is like an after gym smoothie. I don't know Protein shake a protein talk about your workout little stress Love those tight thighs, you know

Good Love those tight thighs, you know Good yeah Do you have your notifications on on Instagram no, so I'll just be frantically checking them or like no put it away He'll be a vote for a run and then come back and check. There you go You are such a good girl. Do you guys follow each other? You do follow each other Instagram Jesus Christ. What do you guys follow each other? You do follow each other Instagram Jesus Christ what you guys Really I needed I needed you Nick to tell me to do it We got you. All right. Well, good luck. I feel good about this. Please let us know how it goes All right

Matthew has run its course. Yes Matthew has run its course. Clay has run its course. Even though we like to flirt. Flirty friends. Flirty friends. FF. Was there any guy from this season that either we got to see or didn't get to see

that you had an attraction to or anything else that you met, any other relationships evolved for you? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. I have a question. Yes. Do you think the conversation you had with Ken opened his eyes to maybe reevaluate his relationship, the conversation of like?

I don't think it made him reevaluate his relationship. Okay. I think Ken has had that conversation that we had, it's not the first time he's had that conversation in his life. That's just plain and simple. And like he said on the show, he has family that talk just like I talk

and would ask the same exact questions. So reevaluate his relationship is intense. I think it just shine a light on something that maybe he didn't, a conversation he didn't have in the pods. Yeah, and thanks for asking that question because I forgot. But, and to further talk about that dynamic,

a lot of people, especially as we're recording this now, has had a strong reaction. Yes. And I do, having been not necessarily in the Love is Blind world, but I know what it's like to film these shows and the nuance that sometimes is lost. I saw a very introverted man in Kenneth.

I also saw, not having lived the Love is Blind experience, I do know that these are intense situations that you have to decompress from at various moments in the experiment. And listen, it's never good to be on your phone and shit like that, it's a bad look. And if nothing else, you should be aware of that, especially as an educator.

I'm sure he has to deal with that a lot with kids. Nevertheless, I didn't see a bad guy or a jerk. I saw an introverted man who needed to decompress from time to time and maybe went about it in a way that didn't come off well on camera, but not necessarily the, again, the internet's reaction to that has been strong. If you asked every woman in the lounge in the pods who was our favorite guy just above all the most stand up man, unanimously would be Ken.

Like we literally would say, and Ken we trust. Because he is so solid, so genuine, so real, and what you said I think is very accurate. Like just needing to decompress. That was a very, very long day also. It was a very long day. I mean, I could literally only imagine what it's like to be part of that experiment.

And again, it's one thing to fall in love on the pods and have those intense feelings. And then again, meeting someone, it doesn't even matter if you're like, oh my God, they're hot or I'm attracted to you. It's just like, this is more real. It's very easy to be delusional in the pause and just kind of go with it.

You're literally told to just follow your emotions and just feel. And then you meet someone and it's like, oh shit, okay, here we go. And at some point, like again, it's one thing to go on these social experiments and say, all right, I'm gonna immerse myself in this experiment,

but you're not crazy. And you can choose to do a crazy thing without being crazy and at some point, your consciousness catches up with what the fuck you've, what you're doing. And I think sometimes we see that unfold on camera and I think the audience will perceive it as some sort of flaw, character flaw, and these people that we're watching, you would agree?

I would 100%, 100% because you are in Delulu, from the pods to the getaway and then you get home, you get your phone back, you start talking to your family and then your family's like, well this is crazy, are you okay? And now they're questioning, you're really about to get married, you're really about to love this person.

No, they're literally like, are you okay? Bringing you back to reality. Like, hey, you don't have to do this. Yeah. There's a lot of worrying that you're emotionally kidnapped from family, right? No, for sure. Yeah.

Cause you kinda are. Yeah, you are. It's something that you choose to do. And Bachelor World is very different, but similar in the fact that you are very much in an experiment and you are cut off from your support system. 100%.

And even when you get some of your support system back, it's a fascinating thing. Anything else with AD before we let her go? We're good. Okay. Yay! AD, I can't thank you enough. Thank you.

It's been a ton of fun. Can you please let our audience know where they can follow you, support you, anything you wanna plug? Yeah, just y'all can follow me on Instagram at Amber Desiree or TikTok, well, and TikTok at it's Amber Desiree. Okay.

Yeah. And now you're just out there dating in Super Single. Super Single, Super Hot, Super Stacked. Super Stacked. Super Stacked. Super Stacked. Yes. Well, if you're listening and you're interested, are your DMs open?

DMs are open. DMs are open, okay. Love. Yeah. We love that for you. All right, well guys, thanks for listening. We appreciate AD's time and we appreciate yours as well. Don't forget to send us those questions

at asknick at TheVileFiles.com. For all things texting office hours, ask Nick. You know the drill. I think that's it. We'll see you back on Monday. Bye.