The Viall Files - E725 RR - Bach Finale w/ Katie Maloney & Dayna Kathan + VPR Drama, The Valley, Summer House, Kate vs. AI

Episode Date: March 26, 2024

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap Edition! Today, we are joined by Katie Maloney and Dayna Kathan to chat about all things reality television. First, we talk about recent internet laws that went into effect in Texas. We also talk about Kate Middleton’s cancer diagnosis video and why certain people think it might be fake. Then, we talk about Summer House and get Katie’s thoughts about filming with a significant other and why arguments tend to happen on camera. Then, we talk about Vanderpump Rules and Season 11 themes such as boundaries and growing up. Next, we talk about the first episode of The Valley.  Finally, we talk about the finale of Joey’s season of The Bachelor and the dramatic - and very unique - final rose moment.  “These are boundaries to protect me from the crazy around me.”  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Goodr - You can go to https://www.goodr.com/Viall and use code Viall to get FREE shipping. goodr offers a 30 Day Money Back Guarantee and 100% Satisfaction. Vessi Footwear - Elevate your spring wardrobe travel with Vessi’s StormBurst shoes. Discover more at https://www.vessi.com/VIALL Get your pair today to get an automatic 15% off your first purchase at checkout and be ready to step out in style, rain or shine. Quince - Indulge in affordable luxury. Go to https://www.Quince.com/viall for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Brooklinen - Visit in-store or online at https://www.Brooklinen.com and use code VIALL for $20 off your order of $100 or more. ZOA Energy - Available online and at a store near you. Find out where you can find it at https://www.ZOAEnergy.com and fine retailers like Amazon, 7-Eleven, Costco, Circle K and more. Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @musickillskate @daynakathan @ciaracrobinson @alison.vandam @justinkaphillips @leahgsilberstein @dereklanerussell Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 08:25 - Internet Laws 19:24 - Kate Middleton 27:24 - Summer House 49:01 - Vanderpump Rules 01:33:42 - The Valley 01:56:41 - Bachelor Recap 02:19:45 - More Bravo 02:22:55 - Outro 

What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick, joined by the household. We got, Ali is with us in St. Paul, Minnesota. Sweet, sweet, sweet, sweet, sweet boy, Justin. And Sierra is with us right now. It's gonna be a long day. It's a bachelor finale day. By the way, congratulations to Joey and Kelsey, the happy couple.

They are together. They definitely have a love that's fun to watch. Like, they're an adorable couple. They are together. They definitely have a love that's fun to watch. Like they're an adorable couple. I like attractive couples, so yay. They're definitely a hot couple for sure. They're very lovely. And we will have the pleasure of speaking

with the happy couple on this week's Going Deeper. We'll be so excited about that. That'll be super exciting for us. Also our hearts go out to Daisy, the runner up, fellow runner up, part of the club. Welcome Daisy to the runner-up, fellow runner-up part of the club. Welcome Daisy to the runner-up club of which I am a two-timer. Do we clap for that? Yeah sure, let's clap for that. Also congratulations to Jen, the first Asian bachelorette. Very very big

congratulations. Definitely like a lot of discourse around the choice but we yeah we'll be breaking down all things about your finale at the end of this episode because we'll be watching it later. Anyways, we have a very special guest today. Super excited to welcome then the host of the hit podcast, Disrespectfully. Yay.

Katie Maloney and Dana Karthen is, Karthen? Karthen? Why do you always do this? Dana Karthen. You were so close. You did this last time. I know. Well, I do that because I get it in my head.

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Dana Kathan. Hi. How are you ladies? Excellent. How are you? Can I say it clean? Or do you want it to be wrong on the show?

No. And do you want to give me shit? No, I think keep that. Keep it in. Yeah, I think because it's just gonna happen every time. Eventually it's gonna be. Dana Kathan. Dani Kava.

Dani, just so you know now. Dani Kathy. He looks at me sometimes and'll be Danny Kava. Danny, just so you know now. Danny Kathy. He looks at me sometimes and goes, hi Sheena, oh sorry. I called her Sheena twice last week. Excuse me? Yeah, yeah.

Whoa. Yeah, I know. Yeah, this is a Nick problem, so it's fine. I'm fine with it. I have so much going on in my head right now, it's broken. Anyways, ladies, how are you? Welcome to the show. Thanks, I'm a bit tongue.

Tongue, hungover. Tongue, yeah. Do you wanna say how many margaritas you had? Oh. I think it's noteworthy. I think it was about six. Over some time. But they come, they bring it to you like in a little carafe, so it's like you, that's like one and a half at a time.

That's how I prefer my margaritas, one and a half. So did you count, did you have six of those? Yeah. Oh, okay. She's a trooper. So I said- What did you do? I was at Casa Vega for like a solid seven hours. With who?

Chilling, with one of my friends. Oh, wonderful. It was like a new friend, so we had to like learn all- Oh, you get a friend date? Yeah. Love. Was this a platonic friend date? Yeah. I don't know, with the late, but you're out there? Yeah. Love. Cute. Was this a platonic friend date? Yeah.

I don't know, with the late pictures, you're out there dating? I don't know. No, this is like a new girlfriend. Love, I love a friend date. Yeah, I made a new friend for us. How did we meet? I know, I'm like,

I'm feeling a little threatened right now, but that's fine. We bonded over talking about Margaritas, so then we went and had to drink Margaritas. I love that. Yeah. And do we think there's gonna be a second date? For sure. I love. Prom Yeah. And do we think there's gonna be a second date? For sure. I love.

Promising. Love that's evidence. No, we need to celebrate making friends in our society today, at all ages, because no one has friends. We're all buried into our phones. Yeah, and I think people feel awkward about making new friends in your 30s or something,

because I don't know, you make friends at school, you make friends sometimes in the workplace, but making friends, meeting somebody one time out at a party and you're like, let's hang out sometime, and you feel awkward about it. No, I know. And everyone's like, yeah, sometime. Yeah, we should do that sometime.

Sometime, yeah. That never comes. No, you need to hard, who is the one, but when? Well, we became friends that we followed each other on Instagram, and then we just started talking, we were like, okay, well when are you free coming up? And then it was just like, let's go sometime next week, and then I was like, when are you free?

Why wasn't Dana invited? Yeah. By the way, I texted her, and I was like, hey, do you wanna go to lunch? She's like, no, I'm going to lunch with my friend, or she's like, I'm on my way, or whatever, and she wouldn't respond to any of my texts. Because when I, I don't know this person,

it's like you don't wanna bring two people who know each other really well, and then there's one person who doesn't, you know what I mean? Then it's an interview. Yeah. Then it's just like, hey. Well, yeah, you have to make sure.

And how do you feel about? Yeah, you have to make sure that it makes good. So we're gonna be a situation, what would you do? Yeah, or like, I don't know. Well, we've talked about that and disrespectfully that making friends in your 30s and 40s, 50s on is difficult, but you and I both value friendships a lot. Yes.

Yeah, honestly, I don't even think it's difficult for adults these dick-iful, difficult. You have the dicks on my brain. It'd be. What did you do this weekend? Went out, got tattoos. We had a late night. Tattoos plural.

Tattoos, got two new tattoos, love them. And we ended up having a late night. I got back at like three in the morning on Sunday, but we did almost go to an after party, but decided to pivot and do Taco Bell instead. So we ate Taco Bell like animals. That is, you're right. It is an after party in and of itself.

And then yesterday I did a little bit of bed rot and then went to Olive Garden, which is still trying to get them to sponsor us. How many times do I have to shout your name, Olive Garden? I used to work there. Did you? Was it a pain in the ass to make the soup, salad, and breadsticks?

I heard servers get annoyed because they have to do it themselves in the back. What do you mean do it themselves? Get it all prepared and sent as a post. Sure, yeah, you have to scoop it. You don't exactly have to make it. Well, yeah, I don't think you're back to making minestrone.

The only thing that annoyed me about it is like the all you can eat soup salad and breadsticks, you know like you're not gonna make any money. So cheap, yeah. I always tip very well on that. The cheap ones come in for the unlimited soup salad and bread fix. You're like, all right, well,

you guys can go fuck yourselves. Listen, it's so good though. Yeah, but if you're gonna get unlimited soup salad and breadsticks for 6.99, I don't know what it costs these days, take care of your waitstaff. Depends on if it's lunch or dinner. If it's us. If it's 9.99.

Well, if it's you, you're ordering seven margaritas. All to that. Exactly, correct. That's not true. Not worried about you. Ah, you're lush. Also, you're a former server. You understand.

Yes. You understand when it's the plight of the a former server. You understand. Yes. You understand when it's the plight of the industry people. That's correct. Yeah. That's correct. What did you do? I went out on Friday night with a friend to an event. I had some drinks and then Saturday was when

I stayed in bed all day. And then Sunday is reset, get ready for the week. Allie? Here I am. What did you do? I also had a friend date on Friday. So Katie and I are aligned. Was this a new friend? It was just like a-

It is a new friend. It was our second friend date. How'd it go? I thought it went very well. She's a big Bravo reality TV fan. So it was very fun. How'd you guys meet? I slid into her DMs.

Love. I love the vulnerability. Making the first move. Yeah. I hang with my little kitty and I made sushi. Like then a cat. I slid into her DMs love I love the vulnerability Yeah, I hang with my little kitty and I made sushi like then a cat. Yeah, okay Who knows it's 24 that could mean anything yeah, I just got her so she's like a little baby She wakes me up in the night. I'm gonna need to see I'll show you photos wait. Sorry. What was the name Ruby? Fantastic name first of all second of all I'm gonna need to see photos. Ruby. I'll show you photos. Wait, sorry, what was the name? Ruby. Fantastic name, first of all. Second of all, I'm gonna need to see photos

as soon as possible, so. I'll show you. And she's five years old, so she's like a little woman. Oh my God. But I love it. She's like an adult. You adopted. Good for you.

Now that I hopped up for the first time in like eight months, it's good. Nice. Great, fun. We brought Rivers Cradle outside. How was that for her? Little awkward, you know, for us, really. She was fine.

Yeah. Yeah. Wait. It. She was fine. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, hey. It was a good time. Yeah. It was her first weekend alone because her mom has been with us. Did she go back?

She went back. She'll be back here in a few weeks, but she went back to, you know, take care of her garden. How has it been without the help? Honestly, great. Like her mom has been so much help, but now- You guys got this? We got this, yeah. Heck yeah. It's been great, yeah. Honestly, really. Like her mom has been so much help, but now that I- You guys got this? We got this, yeah. Heck yeah.

It's been great, yeah. Honestly, really no complaints. It's been nice to have her mom there to like every once in a while, like hold the babes. And honestly, we do have a babysitter, which has been helpful, which is a family friend, which I can appreciate, you know, Sheena's plight. That's maybe the only thing about Sheena recently

that I've been like, yeah, that makes sense. Before we get into all things reality recap, Sheena's polite. That's maybe the only thing about Sheena recently that I've been like, yeah, that makes sense. Before we get into all things Reality Recap, I was over the weekend. I'm gonna go on a little bit of a soapbox. I know this is just like fun games, Reality Recap, and we keep it very light and fun because this is the show where we get to like

your favorite reality TV shows. You just get to mentally check out at work and listen to us. But new dad over here found out that, did you hear that Pornhub is no longer accessible in the state of Texas? No, but that's not surprising. Why?

I mean, it's Texas, everything is. But do you know why? No. Why? And again, for all of Texas's faults, I'm not here to, you know, I'm not aligned with everything in Texas. But it's my understanding, I didn't research this thoroughly, but it's my understanding that Pornhub

is no longer available in the state of Texas because they finally said, wait, you have to make sure minors aren't on this site. Meaning participating in videos or watching it? Just watching it, you're able to, like, you know, right now, anyone can go on Pornhub or any of these porn sites. Your 13-year-old child, your 16-year-old child, your 12-year-old child can just, nothing's stopping them.

There's no actual verification. They might ask you if you're 18, but all you have to do is say yes. And Pornhub, and the state of Texas was like, no, you have to make sure our kids aren't able to watch your smut. And Pornhub was like, nah, we'll just leave. And I am here to say, that's so fucked up.

And again, for all of Texas's faults or whatever, you know, and I'm sure someone's gonna like write us a hit and be like, oh, well that part of legislation that are here, and then I read some of the article, like the lawyer for like, I think PornHub was basically like, well, you're gonna hurt the content creators and their ability to earn money, you're not actually gonna help the kids.

Listen, I don't fucking know, I'm not a senator or a congressperson, I don't know exactly how you do this or how you enforce this law, but I'm just here to say as a society, I definitely think we need to wake the fuck up. I think it's alarming that like none of us know or realize that like our kids can go on fucking Pornhub

and watch this stuff. And shame on the other 49 states for not being like, holy shit, no, we should not have minors being able to watch this shit. And I think we gotta start paying attention to the fact that our phones are weapons. And there's, even the TikTok ban, I don't want TikTok to go away,

we run our business on TikTok. But there's no personal verification for social media. I don't know what the number is. It's like, I don't know, 30 or 40% of the internet is our bots. It's fake. Which means that anyone with time or money can influence discourse.

They can troll people. So that means that a rich person, a corporation, a country, and like this shit happens. Like we are, we are asleep at the wheel. And I think for all of the divisiveness in our country, I think we can all agree that social media has like ruined our mental health. And I'm not saying we should get rid of it, but we have to start like waking up and saying, Hey, how as a society do we put some kind of oversight? How do we make sure our kids aren't able

to get these fucking weapons of information and 12-year-olds are just on it and getting fucking brain, why are there 12-year-old influencers telling girls to go to Sephora and get fucking makeup? That's fucking crazy. And we're just all like, no big deal, I don't know, there's just no oversight and I think it's just

fucking up our society and I wanna be on social media. But it's fucking crazy, I don't know, sorry. I think that parents are deeply concerned. I think this is a thing that big people. But we're all kind of asleep at the wheel, but I think they're all concerned, that's what I'm saying. I actually think this is one thing as a society we can agree on, we can agree on that we need to do something.

We need to wake up and we need to make sure that it's not just like when a minor goes online and logs in and creates a TikTok or Snapchat or Instagram, and they say, are you 14? I don't even know what the age requirement is. I think it's like 13 or 14. But there's no verification there. Like why?

Why is that the case? Is there not parental controls on the internet that like block certain sites? Sure, I think phones have that. Okay, but also like 12 year old doesn't need an iPhone. I agree. That's what's making me- But there's a lot of absent parents out there.

Okay, well then they're not concerned about what their kid is doing and so if their kid's watching porn, then they're not concerned to begin with. I'm not trying to side with them. I'm just trying to look at both angles. You're either concerned or you're not concerned. If you're gonna give your kid a phone

and you're not gonna put certain locks or controls on it, then what happens after that is... But the problem is though, is this like, when they've done studies and they go around and ask kids, I mean like, well, I think there are things going on. I think this kind of has to start at the community level. As a community, schools need to start saying no cell phones at the schools.

And I guess they went around and asking teenagers, what would you do if you couldn't have a phone at school or you couldn't have Instagram? And the first question was, well, do my friends have it? And they're like, no, no one would have it. Then I would be okay with it. But it's more about the FOMO of it all. Oh, if everyone else is having it.

So again, as parents, as a father who has a newborn child, eventually, it doesn't matter how crazy or strict Nellie and I are on. If they go to school and everyone else has a phone on it, you know what I'm saying? It's so hard. And so yes, parents need to step up and do more. But I don't think as a country or as a society,

we should just start, we need to start acting like these social media platforms and these phones have immense power and there is no oversight at all. And I'm not someone who's like big on like more oversight and more government control, I'm not like that kind of guy. I'm just like, we need, like, I guess my question is, is like, if for, here's an example, if Budweiser somehow could through phones or through social media

give your kids unlimited beer, like all I had to do was log in and through social media they could tap in and drink as much beer as they want. We would lose our fucking mind, but what's the difference between that and porn? Because right now they could get unlimited fucking porn as long as they have a phone.

So, okay, here's the thing. I understand what you're saying in terms of the phones, the more accessibility, but like when I was 16, there was definitely, I mean, you're at your computer or whatever, but there was still access to like kids are, and also kids do find a way. Sure. Like I, when I was a kid, I had some parents some parents who like, their dads had the Playboy collection, and yeah, we would go sneak. But now the access to porn,

and the crazy fucking porn out there, and now our young boys, my daughter is gonna be hanging out with a bunch of young boys who grew up on fucking porn from the age of fucking 11, and they're watching all this fucking crazy incest bullshit that's out there now.

It's fucking crazy. We're programming our kids to be fucking sexual deviants. I'm hanging out with dudes my own age that watch porn and they're fucking out of their minds. So like- And they weren't 12 when they first started like- Well, I know, I think the onus has to be on parents to talk to their kids.

But once you like start taking it to the government level of policing those things, it can be a slippery slope when we start to- I hear you. When we start to- That's why I said- So I think there needs to be, it has to start at home. Do we allow our kids to drink beer?

No, but come on. But I'm just saying, if we can do that, we can, you know what I'm saying? There's a middle ground. I hear you say, I'm not trying to like- But I'm- I don't want the government to tell me when I can use my phone. I am just saying like right now, like the difference between, there's no difference between Pornhub

giving all our kids access to their product and Budweiser, if there was a way through their phone to have kids have unlimited alcohol, it's the same fucking thing. This is the first time I've ever thought about kids logging onto Pornhub in my life. I know, that's what's crazy. We're asleep at the wheel.

We, that's what I'm saying. We're not thinking about it. We're just out of sight, out of mind, and we're all walking around like zombies. Most kids, well, when I'm hanging out with like my niece or something, do you know what she'm saying. We're not thinking about it. We're just out of sight, out of mind. And we're all walking around like zombies. When I'm hanging out with like my niece or something, do you know what she's doing? She's not logging. She's not getting out her iPad and going to fucking Pornhub. She's going on YouTube and watching like Barbie videos. You don't do it in front of adults. Like being middle schoolers.

No, I know. I know. But like she's- I literally like, I was like, I'll figure out a way to get around parental controls because I'm bored. Right. No, I know. But I'm just saying like, I don't, I think figure out a way to get around parental controls, because I'm bored. Right, no I know, but I'm just saying, I think not every kid is gonna be interested in that. No, I know, but I'm saying as a society, in general, all I'm saying is we need to acknowledge that A, True.

We are, this technology has evolved too fast, and we're not keeping up with how fast it's evolved, and as a society, we have to stop and say, wait, how is this affecting all of us? Well, my question too is that it's not, or it is that it's accessible, but the fact of the matter is that it's not just like Pornhub or porn-specific websites that you can get this,

or get access to porn. I'm like, it's on Twitter, it's on Reddit, it's on, so it's like, how do you regulate? Why are kids on, like again, why are 12-year-olds on TikTok or Twitter or Snapchat or Instagram? That's on Reddit. It's on, so it's like, how do you regulate? Why are kids on, like again, why are 12 year olds on TikTok or Twitter or Snapchat or Instagram? That's fucking crazy. Well, even like Roblox, this is, I have a four year old niece and a nine month old

and I'm so scared for them as things advance. People were finding a way, and mind you, they're predators, to reach kids on Roblox. So there was like a 13 year old girl recently that ended up trying to go meet up with a man that had been manipulating her. They were saying like, the pedophiles, the sexual deviants, like the fucking, the flashers,

they're not roaming the streets anymore. They're all fucking online. And we're taking our kids off the streets and off the playgrounds and we're just like protecting them and we're like giving them phones to shut them the fuck up and it's fucking crazy. Well, what's your opinion on parents having profiles for their children?

Because that's a big thing too, is that it's saying that you're giving access to a bunch of pedophiles who are liking photos of your kids holding a hot dog or, you know. I know and the more we have, you know, now that I talk about this, like that's what I'm saying. It can't all fall on parents as individuals. Like it's just like as a country,

we have no problem saying, hey, listen, like alcohol company, you can't sell to our minors. You know what I'm saying? I'm sure they get away with it. Do they find a way? Sure. But like as a whole, like school systems need to, like we need to get our kids off the phone, walk as a whole, school systems,

we need to get our kids off the phone, walk into a high school these days, and you talk to parents, and it's just like, when we were in high school, those five minutes in between classes was fun and socialized, and we made memories, and we were talking to our friends and passing notes, now it's just like fucking zombie land, and kids are on their fucking phones,

walking to and from classes, being brainwashed by God knows fucking what, a bunch of fucking bots from who knows what, you know? It's fucking crazy and we just need to say, time out, wait, how is this affecting us? And like as parents, what can we do to keep like us and more importantly, our kids fucking safe? And all I'm saying is this like, forget about,

we're just arguing about all the wrong things these days. You know, and like, as parents, regardless of what you believe in, or what your priority is, or what your God is, or what your ideologies are, we can all get on board to this. And I just think we're like, I think we need to wake up,

because I think honestly our society is like poisoned, and like I think it's only gonna get worse, not better. And speaking of, this brings us into the whole Kate Middleton of it all. Sorry, not sorry. Just gonna say it. Sorry, not sorry about what? Well, we all, of course the world feels bad

about Kate Middleton's alleged diagnosis. And I hate saying alleged, but this is a boy who quiet wolf situation. And they've done, the royal family has done nothing but put out these crazy fucking lies. A week ago, they wanted us to believe that Kate Middleton was like doing graphic fucking design classes and Photoshopping photos

and tweeting about this. And we're supposed to take this at face value. And it's horrific. I mean, it's, if she, it's horrific if she has to deal with this and our heart goes out to her if she's suffering from this. But they've done nothing. The royal family has done nothing but lie to the public. They have one job, they're a public facing family.

Their lives are paid by taxpayers. Their one job is to be transparent, that's it. And they can't do that. And we're supposed to like what? Like feel bad. And now you have every celebrity going out being like oh fucking shit that meme I put out there only fucking, of course we were having fun with it.

They were putting out ridiculous lies. Well the thing is, I'm sorry if that's their one job they should be fired because they are, I don't think the royal, I don't think the royal, well in terms of like abolishing the monarchy, like I don't think they are known for their transparency. I don't think that's ever been a thing, has it? Sure, I know, they've already been criticized,

but it is in fact their one job. And back to when I bring up technology, now everyone, listen, I don't know if that video was real or fake, but again, we need to wake up because today, the technology exists for that to be a deep fake. There's a bunch of videos all over the internet of it's Meghan Markle giving the same speech

as Kate Middleton. And like the technology exists for that to be fake and people are picking apart, people like, oh, that's glitchy. I don't know if it's fake or real. I have no idea. But like, clearly we have a reason to like question it. And what I'm really scared about technology with AI

is that like we are not, with AI is that we are months, maybe a year, but months away from not knowing what to believe in terms of what's out there. And if we can't believe anything, then what can we believe? And that sounds like fucking chaos. Do you not remember the ads or the billboards for Black Mirror the last season? And they were like, you're now in it.

And it was just a reflection, like a mirror. And that's how I feel, is that we don't know what's real and what's not. Based off of AI technology. We need to start saying, wait, time out, hold on. Before our society just like fucking crumbles to fucking nothing, we need to start saying, wait, we need to put some laws on this shit

because we need to be able to trust the fucking shit that's out there. And then who's gonna put the laws on? People that we can trust? Yeah, I know, I don't have the laws on? People that we can trust? Yeah. I know, I don't have the answers. I know. That's crazy. I don't disagree with anything you're saying,

but I'm just like, I don't think we're ever gonna get there. We have to try. We can't just say it's impossible. Well, I think it's funny because they've been using deepfake technology for years and then it didn't really become prominent until the Taylor Swift situation happened to where it was like, oh wait, they can do this.

This is not real what you're watching. So I'm like, I don't know, I don't know. It just freaks me out. That's very scary. Well, obviously our hearts go out to Kate Middleton and her family if she is dealing with this diagnosis. And it's really sad that it came to this where now, even now, everyone's questioned the authenticity

because again, it's a boy who cried wolf situation. Like, why should anyone be like, oh, you know what? Now she's telling the truth. Or not even she, I don't even think it's a her thing. You know, because it could be people speaking for her. And if it is a deepfake, you know, and it's sad. It's sad that we even have to question this. But like, that's the state of the world

that we're in right now. And that's the technology that is available for people who want to mislead us to mislead us. And it's fucking crazy. Coming to a government near you. Yeah, anyways, protect our kids. That's really my big thing. I just wish someone could have the solution.

The only thing that I would disagree on is I think that most people collectively think this is a problem and are scared, and there's a level of anxiety around it, but it's just like, what is this, how, it's so happening so fast. I do think it kind of starts at the community level. I think like, I mean, I hope that like, when River is old enough to go to school,

we can find and like, listen, like not everyone is lucky enough to be able to afford anything other than like publicly funded school systems. And I hope the local communities are doing this at the like public, I'm a public school kid, loved public school, but like, as school kid, love the public school. But as a community, we have to be like, all right, hey, as these parents of this community,

what should we do? Because yeah, if at a higher level, they're not gonna do that, but elementary schools, no cell phones, middle schools, no cell phones. Put it away. You know when we'd go to movie screenings and they'd give us that little pouch that was sealed

and you put your phone in? They can do that in a school system. Kid shows up, phone goes in, eight hours unplugged, socialize and honestly it sounds like the kids these days would welcome that but they have a fear of being left out. It's like until you make every kid not stay off their phone, no kid will. Yeah, I agree.

There's a, I don't know what it's called but I heard some parents talking about it on a podcast. There's a dummy smartphone, so it basically has the phone capabilities, but there's, I don't know if it blocks the internet or whatever, and they, and obviously that's a privilege, but they switch their kids out, so when they go to school, they have a phone,

but it's, they can't go on it, so it's like. Or like, bring back flip phones. You know, if you want your kid to be able to text mom and dad and like have access to your kids, flip phones, bam. You know, why do they need fucking smartphones for fucking minors? That's what I was saying.

Yeah, right? We all recognize that like social media is a dopamine hit. It's a fucking drug. It's the iPad kids, what you're saying. Yeah, they were born with iPads and now they have TikTok. Yeah, but they're all drugged up little zombies. Spoiled little zombie. But I think we can all agree that's like, that's,

yeah, no one, like we are so much more aware of our mental health and we're so much more tapped into normalizing therapy and all these things. And yet we, as a society, our mental health is worse or the suicidal rates are like through the roof. Like pick a demographic, they're up. I was like, when I was a kid, I was using makeup that came out of a box, blues, pinks. It was like, it's all in one.

And then now it's like watching the TikToks where it's like the 10 year olds being like, gotta get drunk elephant, $75 moisturizer for anti-aging. Crazy. Like honey, you won't see a wrinkle for another decade. And also they're using, because also when the adult influencers are saying like, this retinol, whatever, also kids are using things

they do not need. Like kids don't need, you need a set of a set of moisturizer. Like after like. I mean how sad is it that 11 year old girls are that self aware and self conscious about their image or their body or anything. That's fucking crazy.

I know, bring back the awkward phase. I enjoyed my awkward phase. Yeah. You know? Anyways, all right, sorry. This has been super uplifting. Just like, you know what, you need to use, you need to use stay knives.

Like, apricot scrub. Learn the hard way. And humble yourselves, children. All right, anything else before we get into Brava land? Or? No? Let's go for it. Let's go out to Kate. That was...

If you're sick. It sounds so gross. Oh my God, I think she's sick. Yeah. I think she's sick. But someone on CNN, the CNN had a couple doctors on that even poked holes in how she talked about her diagnosis.

I don't know, it sounds fishy. I mean, she might be, but that video of like, they were at the farmer's market and she was gonna say, but she's saying, I'm not trying to poke holes either But like I'm just saying like you guys are trying to play it off like she's fine her and William were seen out She was like a foot taller than she normally is. Yeah, I don't know I don't know like fake people like what it's fucking crazy. I believe that wasn't her. I think I think that was fully That was and all of a sudden we're supposed to be like, oh

We're at fault. We should never speculate. Yeah, I'm not gonna apologize because I speculated that this woman wasn't her. Like, my heart goes out to her if she's sick, but like, that she's sick. I believe that she's sick. But I'm not gonna like apologize for calling out

a blatant, fake woman that's like not her. Like, sorry. Yeah, anyways, all right. No, I mean, I agree with that too. I think that's good Let's start. Let's let's let's start off light. Let's start with summer house. Oh, that's a good warm-up But eventually will be like a fun a fun conversation with these ladies question for you Nick Yes, would you choose Lindsay if you had to survive in the wilderness? Probably I mean Lindsay is a survivor if nothing else For you, Nick, would you choose Lindsay if you had to survive in the wilderness? Probably. I mean, Lindsay is a survivor, if nothing else.

She doesn't back down from a fight. She's got bravery, you know, a little, yeah, no. Like someone who probably want on my side if I'm surviving in the wilderness. Why do you ask? Sierra thinks that Lindsay would eat her. I do. Well, I mean, went camping. Sarah thinks that Lindsay would eat her. I do. Well, I mean, if the scenario is you have no supplies,

it's the two of you and eventually someone's gonna have to eat the other, then yeah, I might not pick Lindsay. Okay. I would also volunteer myself to go. I have no survival skills at all. I wouldn't wanna be in that, I'd be like, sure, knock yourself the fuck out. If I'm stuck here, whatever, I'm over it.

Yeah, honestly, just kill me now. I'm not gonna survive this anyways. Knock yourself out. out if I'm stuck here, whatever. I'm over it. Yeah, honestly just kill me now. I'm not gonna survive this anyways. Knock yourself out. Feast away. It's like preppers that I'm like, why though? Like let's just. What is on the other side of this? Like what are you trying to survive for?

To come out to nothing being there and restarting civilization. I don't need that responsibility. No thank you. Is that just like, that's cause of that summer house? Let's just do weird shit. No, I don't know. Oh them camping in the background. No, why are they camping? Is that just like, that's cause of that summer house? Let's just do weird shit. No, I don't know. Oh, them camping in the background.

I think that's cute. Flashing each other. It's like giving like a kid's birthday party, like as an adult with alcohol. I used to camp in my backyard. Exactly. Yeah, how old were you? Well, you know, some of them.

But I would do that with a group of friends. Okay. I would be the first one to be like, you know, I'm going to bed. No, I would be like, I tend, there's a goddamn bed inside. No. This is stupid. Yeah. Yeah, I was young. But every morning I woke, you know I'm going to bed. No, I would be like, I tend, there's a god damn bed inside, no. This is stupid. Yeah.

Yeah, I was young, and every morning I woke up and it was like, kinda wet. Yeah, you're like, you got a stuffy nose, everything's damp. It's like hot, like wet, I don't know. Yuck. I would pick Lindsay.

Lindsay can get shit done. She can. She's like, very like, go getter and all that, you know. Who is the guy who wants to have sex with Paige? Jesse Solomon. Yeah, he's gross. Not a fan. Well, his big like thing was just like,

I like to go after girls with boyfriends. It's like, okay, you're fucking lame. Never. It's giving insecurity. Like that's an odd play. Like why? He only gets girls cause he's super tall. Put that face on a guy who's 5'10". Totally different life.

He has a good smile too. Yeah, I don't think, I think he's handsome. I don't think it has anything to do with that. I just think it's a weird thing to do. You know she's in a relationship. What's the point? Yeah, no, he sucks. Do you know him? Have you met him?

No. Who's the guy who, who's the funny? West. Love him. Best edition. He seems the guy who, who's the funny? West. Love him. Best edition. He seems to be like- Is he the sweaty one? Yeah, the short little sweaty one.

The short, emitting. Poor guy. The one that's serious. I think he's hilarious. Yeah, he's going after- He's got, I don't know, he's got some, like, he's got something. He's got some sauce.

Swag. He definitely has some Riz. Yeah, some Riz. As the kids say. As kids say. He's got Riz.'s got some sauce, swag. He definitely has some Riz. Yeah, some Riz. As the kids say. As kids say. He's got Riz, yeah. Yeah. I get it.

What is your take on the Lindsay Carl situation? Oh, I think it's a bummer. I was just getting caught up and I think that it's really problematic to weaponize someone's drug problem when they are sober, particularly, okay, so it sounds like he's Cali sober to me, right? So you're smoking weed, but no hard drugs and no alcohol.

But like, if that's what's going on, when you're like, you're on drugs, it's weed, but you're insinuating then the type of drugs that he had a problem with, which I just don't think there's any space for that. And it seems to me like she's feeling defensive about her drinking and when he brings it up, and I don't think he's like trying to talk shit to her

either, I think he's like, hey, we should talk when you're sober, this isn't productive. And then to do that is like, hmm. It's like she gets triggered by it when it's, because it's an insecurity for her. But all, like the whole cast is like pointing out this to Lindsey. Every episode I'm watching, I'm waiting for, it's like when I kept pointing out this to Lindsay.

Every episode I'm watching, I'm waiting for, it's like when I kept pointing out that when I first started watching Vanderpump, I was always like, before Katie and I became friends, I was like, Katie is the only normal person in this cast. And I was like, riding hard for Katie. And then you get a couple of Vanderpump friends, like, you have to go back and watch all these other seasons.

I go back and watch, I'm just like waiting for like crazy Katie to show up. And like, it just doesn't ever happen. It's always like this normal level-headed, like well thought out, like, you know, for the most part. I mean, I have my moments that are like not so savory. Everyone has their moments, but like relative to your peers. Okay. Katie.

Okay. I'm not disagreeing. And then I'm waiting for the moment where like maybe to your peers, Katie. Okay, okay. I'm not disagreeing. She said go on. I'm waiting for the moment where like maybe there's like, okay, well I see what Lindsay was talking about. Where I'm like on Katie's, like I understand her plight in terms of like why she came on this show and completely like just ignored all of her behavior

or the commentary. And for all the people, and I remember when Lindsay came on the show, some of the discourse that followed, at least from her peers doing interviews, was kind of like, just wait, just watch the season, you'll get all your answers. And they said this all with confidence.

And meanwhile, we're like, hey Lindsay, thanks for sharing your truth here on the Vile Files. And it turns out her peers, like, and if, and if, and this isn't like an editing thing, there's no way all of her peers would be like, just wait, you know, you'll see, and it come to fruition. Quite the opposite of like, everyone's gonna turn on Ariana, which seems to be like falling on everyone's faces

this season. But yeah, they all nailed it. How do you think she feels watching that? I would love to know. I would love, Lindsay, if you're out there, if you're listening, come back on the show. I would love to know like what does, like why? Why was this her PR strategy?

Well, she did double down the first time and was like, I just didn't use the right words when she originally accused him of being on drugs the first weekend. So it's also kind of like she's watching it and still feels, I think justified in her reaction to it. She's saying like, I felt how I felt, but I didn't use the correct wording where my

question would be like, well, then what is the correct wording when you're talking to somebody who's been sober off of harder drugs for a longer period of time? Like, wouldn't we just blatantly call out the weed if that was the issue versus like, what are you on? Well then every time you get upset with them, like that's the thing you go for, you know, to like attack their history or, you know, or let's say Carl does get upset or raises his voice.

Like we are still humans. I know it's 2024 and we're supposed to watch our words and be careful and not be toxic, but sometimes couples get upset and sometimes feelings get activated and sometimes tensions are raised and sometimes you raise your voice a little bit and that's not the end of the world.

There's a difference between getting upset and fighting or coming out and screaming and saying fuck you and using hurtful and abusive words or like fighting with your partner. That's still allowed these days. And it seems like Carl and Lindsay sometimes fight and every time he does, he gets fucking attacked for doing something he's just not doing.

And it's like crazy. And I just wanna know what Lindsay has to say. This is a reunion I'm very excited to watch. Right. And I'm also excited to watch. Right. And I'm also like, you only have the weekend, so I'm also kind of like, could we do this Monday through Thursday versus like the only time that your life

is captured on camera? Yeah. Yeah, they definitely seem down to have this conversation on camera. You know, I mean, it's just a weird, it's weird timing, I would say, where I'm just just like you literally only film three days two days a week. So why are we having this argument? Well, it seems like they're I mean, obviously they're all partying a lot on the weekends And I think that it's a known fact that when you're drunk or going out like those kinds of fights are more explosive

Because you're not necessarily your level headed self. You're on your reptilian complex by the time you're wasted. So. And I think that also coming from personal experience with like filming and when you're like with a partner like that and you're, there's a lot of disagreements and discourse

in your relationship. When you have like cameras on you and you're around your friends, it's like, you both kind of want to get validation from other people that you're right, so it kind of exasperates the issues, and you tend to fight a little bit more on camera and around your friends because it's like,

see, this is what she does, this is what's happening, and then the other person gets defensive, and it does kind of like... Well, it makes sense, because in any relationship, when you fight with your partner, there's always, for all the gaslighting we use, that's why I always say, for all, we use that word fucking crazy.

Because I've never been in a fight with any partner, including Natalie, who I'm very fortunate for how much we communicate and don't get along, but every once in a while, we're not on the same page. And when we're not on the same page, you know what I feel? I feel fucking crazy. I feels like, how can you not understand what I'm saying? And you know what she feels?

She feels fucking crazy. And she feels like, how can you not understand what I'm saying? So that makes a lot of sense that when you have cameras and your friends there, it's a way to like validate because you always, that's why you're fighting with your partner, because you're not on the same page, because you're saying one thing that makes a ton of sense

and they're like, no. You know, and then that seems like, well, how can you not understand what I'm saying? Because our reptilian brains, right? You know, like they always say, like once you're fighting for five minutes, it's not you anymore, it's your child self. Yeah.

And that's why sometimes when you have a personality like Lindsay or like me sometimes where I can say fucked up things that I don't mean, like that's when you say things you're like, ah. And I'm not excusing or trying to make excuses for anybody or like myself or you know, like, but that's when those things happen. Okay, now that makes sense.

And I think it's like probably like there's probably other obviously other issues and other things are are happening Again, we don't see them seven days a week 365 so why isn't page on it more is it just because her boyfriend's not there as much or she's just like Slow playing it out cuz like she's I mean some episodes. She's just like not there. She had like an She's a great character. I mean she had a nice little moment with Carl talking about her rent in New York. With Craig. Craig, Craig.

Craig, not Carl, sorry. She pays $8,500 a month. Yeah, fuck, man. Going up to nine. It's New York. I mean, yeah, but I feel like New York, you can also, there's definitely places that are cheaper, but her place is really nice. Yeah, she lives in a beautiful building.

She's living in a really nice place, but damn. I mean, and I get why Craig wouldn't wanna pick, cause it's like he has his own place, they split time, so it's like he shouldn't, and I understand her not wanting him to contribute to the rent, cause then it's like, if something happens, I own one third of your apartment, like no. But also, they've been together for like a minute.

I don't know that I would be doing this like long distance for, at some point I'd be like either like, or. Well what's the end game? Because it sounds like she's not moving to Charleston. And he's not. Didn't he say there's like. He said if it'll work out.

Decent chance they don't work out or something? I. What was the exact one? He said. I mean I would never be opposed to a long distance scene, but I'd have to put a cap on it. I mean, to be fair. Any exit strategy.

Yeah, this is crazy to me. He said it's very probable. So that's what he said. It's very probable that what? It's very probable you'd be naive to think, oh, it'll just work out. That's a little vague. Is that a double negative?

It's very probable there's a good chance that it doesn't work out. So he's basically saying like, it's probable they'll break up, if there's a good chance it won't work out, I think, is what he's saying. That's sad. Yeah.

They do seem like they're going to fall. But like she, I feel like in that situation though, like it's one or the other has to give up something, you know what I mean? Where it's like- Yeah, they recognize there their own stubbornness. Well, they're doing what? What did she say?

They see each other four days a week maybe, and they switch going back and forth. The longest they go without is like a week and a half or something like that. But I mean, Paige's whole industry or work is in New York, her home, her family's in New York. Craig, his whole life, his business is based out of Charleston. So I'm like, even if she were to move to Charleston,

for example, I don't see a world in which she's not spending multiple days in New York. So what difference does it make if she moves down there or if they just both have two places and are spending the time between it equally? If this is working for them, but I feel like at some point push comes to shove. Well, long distance can work for a long time

for some couples because it does give you that space, you can miss each other, and if you can afford to see each other on a regular basis and fly, then it's like you're always missing your partner, you never get sick of your partner. But either way, to Katie's point, eventually, you can't do that forever.

If there's talk that eventually one of us, then it's in your mind that this isn't a permanent situation that eventually, you know, but no one's, I think they're just gonna wear one, and then one of them's just gonna get worn down. That's not gonna happen. Craig's the one who believes in aliens and pandas aren't real people or real animals.

Tin foil hat. Wait, he doesn't think the pandas are real? He thinks that they're people dressed in suits. In costumes. No. Wait, he said this? Yes, multiple times. This is the tin foil thing.

Tin foil hat. Okay, wait, I'm sorry. How do we all feel about aliens? Oh, they're real. They're real. So real. I don't think that's crazy. Mathematically speaking,

there's no way. The panda thing. I think they walk amongst us. To what degree, but is there like intelligent life somewhere in the universe outside of here? Absolutely. And I believe that there's aliens among us. I think they want to agree, but is there like intelligent life somewhere in the universe outside of here? For sure. Absolutely, yeah. And I believe that there's aliens among us.

Oh yeah. Men in black situation. Yeah, I mean, I wish it was a little bit more like that, but like something like that. Is Tom Sandoval an alien? I have to assume some of the bad dating choices I've made, like those people, let's just chalk it up to that. Maybe it's like a little tiny thing

driving someone around in the man suit. If men in black are the thing, Tom Sandeville is an alien. He's the most alien. He's not cool enough. No. What, you think all aliens are gonna be cool? You just said intelligent life

and you wanna say that Tom Sandeville? Intelligent life means like it's not like a vegetable. Ugh, come on. You're giving me too much credit. Intelligent life doesn't mean intelligent. Aliens have seen things, done things, can explain things. You don't think they could be dumb aliens? No.

Human race is the dumbest form of intelligent life there is. How do you know that? I agree. I'm just, let's just face it. Look what we're doing to our planet. Yeah, sure. How expansive the universe,

like how tiny our galaxy is within, it's just so vast, there's no way, I bet there's another civilization that has phones figured out. Honestly, they're probably killing it. Probably, but I'm saying there, but there's also another civilization that just is getting started, you know?

Well, okay, okay, fast, sure. And maybe. I'm talking about, if we're gonna compare, like, similar to us. I'm not talking about plans, whatever, but I'm talking about. You know what I'm talking about. You know what I'm talking about.

Another type of, not human form, but in a comparable form. They're way smarter than we are. Agreed. Well yeah, they would have to get here. So if Tom Sandoval is in fact an alien, that would require a level of intelligence that we're not capable of. And they flew here on a ship

that we couldn't even comprehend. But maybe. Because we're stupid. Maybe. Our ozone isn't conducive with Tom Sandoval's ozone and that's affecting the oxygen or to his brain. That's a reach. And he just can't help them.

And that's why he's just like, hey man, here's how you give a homeless person $100. That's a reach. And he just can't help him. And that's why he's just like, hey man, like, you know, here's how you give a homeless person $100. That was fucking wild. That was disgusting. We talked about it on Disrespectfully. Did you?

Yeah, well go check that out. Every Wednesday, by the way, this award-winning show, Disrespectfully, is on every Wednesday. Go check it out. Award-winning? Yeah. I don't know about that.

I gave it the best podcast of the year award. We're gonna get all the awards. Give us a little time. Maybe we've never been ghosted. Maybe they've just unzipped their man suit and they had to pop back to their planet. Yeah, but- Time was up.

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to me, this whole season is about two different groups. Group A, you and Ariana. And then group B, everyone else. And this is a season about boundaries. And as we point out on this show, especially Ask Nick, boundaries, like people love talking about boundaries nowadays, boundaries, boundaries, boundaries, it's like the hit thing, but like we forget that boundaries,

what they are, are like something that every, that when you set a boundary, they are by definition inconvenient to the people you set boundaries with because boundaries are you limiting? Access of some kind to people who aren't used to limiting access Used to having something from you and then you finally say you know what I'm no longer doing that I'm no longer giving you access to X Y or Z and so Everyone hates a new boundary when it's being set someone you know they're like hey, this is my new personal boundary

I don't want to do this anymore This is a personal choice. And if someone else used to have that access that they're no longer gonna get, they're gonna fucking hate it. And you have an entire group of people who are throwing a temper tantrum because you and Ariana are just like,

hey, I'm just setting a new boundary of just like no longer gonna fuck with these people. And instead of just being like, yeah, that makes sense. I understand. They are just losing their fucking minds and they're trying to poke the pettiest of holes. And you and Ariana for the dumbest of shit. It's just like, when did adult people have to get,

when they had any news whatsoever. Like when I get a job or booked for a show or something, I don't get on the phone and text in a group chat all of my friends like, hey, guess what? Like doing a new show with Patti Stanger. Like I don't have a friend calling me up and be like, why didn't you, why did I have to find that out about it

on fucking Instagram? Meanwhile, like according to Lala and Sheena, it's like a capital fucking punishment that Ariana didn't like tell them like her life plan. And just one example of the pettiness that is your cast because you two are setting boundaries this season. Psh. I don't know what you have to say about that.

Which part? Boundaries, boundaries, boundaries. Yeah, I mean, you're right. Typically people who have issues with boundaries are people who've never had boundaries themselves. Or they're just hypercritical. Correct. Yeah, I think it's been challenging to listen to feedback

or hear people misinterpret what those boundaries mean and what they are in place because they just think that they're, we're trying to control. When people confuse boundaries with control, that's also an issue. Because it's like, no, no, no, everyone's free to make decisions

and move in life how they choose, but what they need to understand is that I will also act accordingly in terms of protecting myself. These are boundaries to protect me from the crazy that surrounds me. Season 11 is about growing up or not growing up. And you have a bunch of people who want to pretend that they're growing up and are not.

Like, and that's what's so crazy to me is this like, going back to the reunion of season 10, you were the most quiet person. You have been Ariana's ride or die, her best friend through this all. And yet at the reunion, you know, you said your piece, you said what needed to be said, but you had James, you had Lala,

you had Sheena fucking screaming at Rachel. And what now appears to be, I don't know, performative outrage, because it's just like, how do you say some of the horrific things that you said to Rachel? And then all of a sudden, be, be like, okay, well, and what's fascinating watching Vanderpump back is because throughout the years, right,

some of your castmates, Jax and Tom, have done some crazy fucking things. And it's just like, they've done some things that many people in many fan groups would be like, I can't, all right, can't be friends with you anymore. But it's like in Vanderpump world, as long as you just scream at them and yell at them, then like the next day there's a scene

where everyone's hanging out again. And like in reality, that's fucking crazy. And I feel like you two are just finally like, you know what, we did this for a while. In the past, we could scream and get over it. But now it's just like, no, I'm actually just like, you guys are choosing to like make different life choices and grow up, and they're not.

In the past, that kind of like was what we would do, and somehow we're like, yeah, we always got through it, we always would forgive each other, and that's just like how things were, and it's like, yeah, but like, that doesn't really work for me anymore. That's like really not the kind of friendships I want, that's not how I wanna like be in life. Like what worked when I was like 26 does not kind of friendships I want. That's not how I want to like be in life.

Like what worked when I was like 26 does not work for me at 38. And the fact that y'all are still thinking that's OK, like I'm not yourselves out, but like I just can't anymore. I'm sorry. I'm also not sure why it's such a hard concept to grasp, because I'm very much this way. If I do not fuck with someone, I'm like, I'm never going to tell anyone, don't be friends with them, but you will not see me as much.

If you're spending time with them, that's totally fine. Knock yourself out, you do that, but I'm gonna remove myself from the situation. Like, that's how you protect, that's a boundary, that's how you protect your peace. So I don't know why everyone is so up in arms and then especially accusing Ariana of telling people not to be friends.

She's not saying that, but she's like, yeah, then I will not be spending time with you. Because look at what, because this is what it is. She's like, I don't want him to have access to my life. I don't want him to know, I don't want to know what he's doing. I don't want him to know what I'm doing. What happens, like the minute Sheena goes to Tom Sandoval after she saw Ariana,

oh, we heard about your sexy single party. She basically just goes and like repeats what Ariana just told her to Tom Sandoval. That's exactly what Ariana is talking about, what she doesn't fucking want. The access, the- Rumor mills, the gossip. The meshing of worlds and lives.

Ariana wants it to be completely, entirely separate. She doesn't want Sheena going, well, I just feel like I just talked to Ariana and this is how she feels. She would really like an apology. That's what she doesn't fucking want. So that's why she's saying, if you wanna be his friend,

go ahead, keep that between yourselves. Don't involve me in it. That's where I'll remove myself. That's what she's talking about. So like, because Sheena can't like figure that one out and other people can't figure that one out. That's why I'm essentially like, oh, she's probably not gonna be your friend.

Well, what's the, I'm just jumping right to the point. I said last week that I thought that Sheena should pick Tom, because I think that Ariana and you have outgrown Sheena and are maturing in a way that Sheena is just not. And I think that for all the best friend conversations, you know, between Ariana and Sheena, that it honestly seems like Sheena and Tom Sandoval have way more in common, their values are way more in line,

and to me, from outsider looking in, because there's probably a lot about those friendships I don't know, it just seems like it honestly, as sad as that might be for Sheena and Ariana, it's just to me it makes more sense that Tom and Sheena will be the ones who will still be friends when it's all said and done. What do you have to say to that?

I don't necessarily disagree. I don't think she, I think she'll still try to, you know, show up for Ariana and I don't think, you know, and I don't see Ariana as being like so ruthless to be like. Yeah, I don't know, I'm not speaking what Ariana would do, but just the principle that like honestly when it comes down to it, it just seems like they have more in common

and they have more similar interests and similar values and they prioritize the same things where you and Ariana this season are making the tough choice of being like, of suggesting that maybe you've outgrown the show. I don't know. I don't know either. But like it's, I find it to be very interesting as a viewer to watch

because finally we're, it's not fun to watch you guys all like at an Elisa Vanderpump's bar bartending. It's fun to see some people in your group grow up and some people not and because that's life. That happens in every friend group out there is that some people just wanna not let go of the old days. They wanna bring it back, the group, we gotta save the group that some people just like want to not let go the old days yeah they want to bring it back the group we got to save the group and some people are like that's fucking weird dude we used to do that eight years ago yeah I mean I'll hear comments or people talking I don't know about the

episodes and people are like well everyone has cheated or back in the season one or two I'm just like why are we talking about that long ago? I get it if you wanna make jokes of the comparisons, but it just doesn't apply in life today. I mean, our lives are a lot broader than that. So I get you could do that all day, but that's just not where many of us, some of us are at anymore.

There's an apple to apple comparison. That's what always bothers me about that. It's like, yeah, everyone's done some shady shit, but again, usually when you're much younger and this was a different thing. So it's just, we don't need to be comparing it. Or being like held to a standard that I didn't hold at 20 that I now hold in my 30 is that it's like,

okay, I've grown and learned. Why are you still repeating the same mistakes for the last decade? Yeah. Do you think you're a miserable person? No, I've grown and learned what why are you still repeating the same mistakes for the last decade? Yeah Do you think you're a miserable person? No, I was at the time like I'm not miserable, but I was not happy I was not somebody that like that even if you were is that a crime? Lala's point I that always gets me. I think that's like such a weird trope for you like Yeah, just like you said said, has everyone not had times

in their life when you were not your best self and possibly could be considered toxic or miserable? Yeah, but that's not fundamentally who you are at all. Also in saying having a boundary and being able to force it and being forced to be one of the few adults in a friend group doesn't mean you're miserable. It just means you are willing to make the fucking tough choices that other people aren't.

Like, no fun Katie doesn't mean she's miserable, of course. And I'm not saying you're no fun. You're plenty of fun. You had six margaritas yesterday. I would say you're the happiest I've ever seen you. You went on a friend date. Like, that's fucking vulnerable. Like, you were making tough choices.

No, seriously, you're making real life tough choices that aren't easy to do because it's hard to grow up, it's hard to mature, it's hard to outgrow your friends, it's hard to look at your friend and say, we don't have the same values anymore. We've outgrown each other. And then to go on a fucking date with a friend, no, but we need to do more of that.

And I think we have to acknowledge that. Truthfully, I love my life and I've been really happy for, I don't know, the last year I've had some stressful shit going on, obviously, but I think this new chapter in life and this transition that I've made to really design my life and invite new people into my life and embrace friendships that I've been really excited and happy to have and feel like I'm really grateful for

in my life and I don't know, just again, through my healing journey of kind of come to like an agreement with myself with the standard of people I want to have in my life and if this character doesn't meet the criteria, I'm just gonna not have that and build up boundaries. Is meet the criteria, I'm just gonna like, not have that and like, yeah, build up boundaries. Is Lala projecting, perhaps? I don't know what's happening there.

To be honest, it feels like it's a one-sided situation. Like me and Sheena. I don't know, like Lala and I were like really fine. I was at her house a couple weeks ago, back to back days for her gender reveal and for Ocean's birthday. So where is this coming from? I don't know, I were like really fine. I was at her house a couple weeks ago, back to back days for her gender reveal and for Ocean's birthday. I don't know, I mean, like, yeah, the reunion was a tough day

and there was some like shit that was brought up, but like, I don't know, cause I, it started I guess because, I don't know if it was after the reunion or before, but she was talking on her podcast about how we had like a falling out going into the season. And I don't know if that's like retroactively, like she's bringing that up,

but we had a falling out like seven months before the season started. And I thought that was like all resolved and we were good. What was that falling out about? Because honestly, this week's episode, like you guys had to sit down and you were like, hey, I just wanna squash this shit. And I, maybe I wasn't paying attention,

but I didn't even know what you guys were squashing. We were squashing what happened at Allie's house. Can I ask you about that though? Was that tension building up, or is that like a normal aspect of your relationship? Well, I mean, that's what we, over the summertime, we were kind of trying to figure out why we were triggered by each other,

why we were easily triggered, and why we were fighting. And she was like, I feel like our friendship hasn't been the same since we had that falling out. And I'm like, well, for me, I was just like, we both were like, well, we haven't been spending as much time together. Like you've been busy with Ariana in the shop. And I was like, yeah, you and Sheena have been really close

and you bought your house in Palm Springs. That's where you spent all of your free time, which is, it's fine. It wasn't not the same in a bad way, but we just hadn't been prioritizing our friendship. It didn't seem to me that there was like any residual resentment from the falling out. I thought we kind of like addressed everything

that had happened, but it was just mainly about the fact that we just hadn't prioritized the friendship. So when I was asked on Watch What Happens Live, like about the falling out, I was like, well, I didn't feel like we had one going into filming. We had one a while back. So I was just confused about the wording of it all. And she did not like that.

Yeah, cause she is like leaning in to this alleged conflict between you two and her and Ariana. And she's going on these talk shows and she's teasing the fact that her and Ariana are no longer friends. Do you think it has more to do with the fact that she bought a new house and she just wanna make sure that she's just keeping the fucking, the money in? You know, like I don't know, she's got a family to feed.

You know, I don't know, I'm scared to say I don't know because that's what started this whole thing, but I don't know, I don't know, I don't know what this is about. Like I don't, I don't know why, like she had to post that thing on Instagram and bring my mom into it all. That was weird.

That was really fucking hurtful to my mom. Like don't do that. Just don't do that. Also yeah, if you wanna talk shit, talk your shit, why is she bringing it up? I don't know. I wasn't gonna post this because I love her mom? Like sorry, I don't know, it was weird.

It's just, I'm just kinda like weird. I don't really have, I don't know what to say. I don't have much to say because I don't know what is going on. You just, well, to me, it's what seems like is what's going on is you and Ariana just are generally indifferent about hanging out with the group.

What group? They don't even fucking hang out. I don't know, but when it comes- To be fair, I didn't see anybody that I recognized besides Schwartz at the Sexy Singles pool party. Yeah. I don't know, that I recognized besides Schwartz at the sexy singles pool party. Yeah I don't know, but it seems like you know the bond of this I don't know the ensemble cast is Lala recently like hey

We're like it's like they're mad at you too for being like, you know, it's a new show I don't really want to do this and it seems like they're trying to poke little holes and and it seems like they're trying to poke little holes and make mountains out of molehills, so to speak. Because. I went into this season the same way I go into every season being like, I'm just gonna tell my truth, be authentic. Tell my truth, our group is fractured. We're not the same as what we used to be

and I'm not gonna go in and pretend that I, I'm not gonna play pretend with people. And you two, like Ariana or you, to my knowledge, have yet to like lose their shit and been like, why are you hanging out with so and so? Why are you doing, you haven't questioned anyone doing anything. I mean, I kind of do, but only because when I feel like people have like,

very shifting opinions, I think they should have a little like conviction, you know, like like about it and Beyond this I mean, I know we're like filming a show but it's also like but how like I gotta like I don't do things That I cannot stand behind so it's like Besides just like we're gonna call time. It's like what what else what? Well from I don't do things just because I'm told to do them. Well, from watching the show too,

I have to say like mad respect, because I'm like the scene where you're sitting with the girls at lunch and you confront Sheena with the, like, I don't understand why you can't let this go with wanting to be friends with Tom Sandoval. Like, I think it's respectable to where it's like, listen, you can feel how you want to feel, but I just don't understand it.

And for some reason, I think people want to paint that as, oh, you're not happy for, you won't allow people to do what they like, listen, you can feel how you wanna feel, but I just don't understand it. And for some reason, I think people wanna paint that as, oh, you're not happy for, you won't allow people to do what they wanna do. But at the end of the day, you're just like, hey, this person did something fucking terrible and you know it, has done it to you. So why are we now trying? Like, and why do you-

It's like, agree to disagree. Yeah, and why do you think that they are trying so hard to like involve Sandoval when they were the ones that were on a campaign against him. I don't, that's, I don't know. Performative outrage. Well, yeah, because I'm not, it's fine if you're like, you know what, I'm, yeah, I'm tired.

I just wanna put my pitchfork down. And if that's what you want to do, then fine. But there's also, yeah, there's consequences, or there's going to be another end, another side on that too, that you need to prepare for, just so you know. So if like, how strongly do you feel about this? And if your only argument is that well, like 12 years ago at the upfronts, and you're hanging on to that, when there's been more recent, really despicable things that he's done, it's like, yeah, but 12 years ago, and no one was my friend. Well, yeah, but Sheena, in the interim of that,

we became really good friends. Yeah, we weren't always really good friends, but why are you acting like that was more recent than it was? But since then, other people showed up for you. I showed up for you for a period of time. I don't know, I just don't know. I feel like I'm a little crazy. Well, I can appreciate that.

I would, I'd be frustrated for you. Do you believe anything else? No, I mean, I'm not saying anything because I just agree with what you're saying. Like also it's just for me, it's kind of a stand on business thing. If you want to be friends with this person, it feels like there's some edging happening

or like laying the foundation of, you know, saying I'm gonna keep this person in my life and that's totally fine if that's what you wanna do, but then you, like you said, not necessarily consequences, but things are gonna shift. And that's fine for that to happen, but be prepared for it. After Sheena reminded us that she had an orgy with John Mayer, that video popped up from 2009.

Before she was even on Vanderpump, and you said this video has been like, it comes up every couple of years. I mean, I feel like I've definitely, and you said this video has been like, it comes up every couple years. I mean, I feel like I've definitely, I've seen this video a few times. It is the most outrageous interview I have ever seen. As I know in the interview,

she's addressing like criticism that she called like Hollywood life on herself. Like how did this story come up? And then she proceeds to give like an eight minute interview of her hanging out with John Mayer and she is loving every minute of it. And she's like, well, I can't really talk about it but like, he's asking me questions.

100% chance John Mayer has not spoken to her since that interview. Wait, the orgy thing, was that on a confessional from this season? Yeah, like last week. She was like, my body is a wonderland. Yeah, we were playing Never Have I Ever, and it was like, had a threesome,

and I think Brock admitted, whether you drink or something, I don't know. Is that how it works? You have, you drink, if you haven't, you don't. And they're like, oh, what? And Sheena also did, and they're like, what? And Sheena's like, well, it was more of an orangey situation. And then in her interview or confessional,

they're like, so what was that about? She was like, she first dropped A-list Celebrity. Yeah. That was really important. Well, why I asked is because I wonder how she, just like Lindsay earlier, I wonder how she feels watching that back. I don't know.

It's, I loved it though. It was awesome. It's eight minutes of just Sheena pretending to not wanna answer this reporter's questions and definitely not going anywhere. And then like just waiting for, she's like, did you guys have sex? Well, I can't answer that one.

She would answer every other question, but couldn't answer that because it's personal, which means she's like, yes, we fucked. John Mayer saw that video and was probably like, nope. There's no way he hung out with her after that, right? How could you feel safe, anyone? If you are dating someone and the next thing you know, they're giving an exclusive interview.

As not your girlfriend? As not your girlfriend, but someone who thinks you're funny and has a good personality. And just throwing out, when you have to say there was no cheating, like when you even have to bring that up, you know. Immediately you're like, wait, well, but when like timeline, you know, it's just like the whole thing is such a mess. Can you imagine John waking up that day?

Like his phone. I don't think he probably even saw, what outlet? You don't think he saw that? No, I don't think so. Oh boy, he saw that. Every one of his buddies, everyone was sending it to him. I mean, that reporter, she was seasoned. She knew what she, she crushed it with her questions.

I saw somewhere though that he was asked about her and he just said, no comment. Yeah. Crushing. He was dating. Regret, immediate regret. You know. Yeah. Crushing. Yeah. It was stating. Regret, immediate regret. You know. Yeah.

I think the whole discourse is funny because on tomorrow's episode we talk about this, Sheena recently talked about me in a Juicy Scoop interview and I mean it was a quick passing comment. She talked about you. Yeah, it really pissed me off. What'd she say? Like I'm not happy about it.

She just brought something up from the past that was unnecessary in my opinion. And at the time, the way that she navigated it, I just didn't appreciate. And like, so she'll so openly talk about like orgies and threesomes and whatever. And yeah, we talk about that tomorrow. Tea, go check that out.

I know, right? Oh, I'm dying to know. I wanna know. Ah! Opinions on Tom Sandoval's pool party telling new girls that he chops up chips and feeds it to his ex. Did you watch it? No, what the fuck?

When I was watching with Natalie. No, I'm behind. Come on, Naina. When Natalie and I were watching it, Natalie was like, he's trolling them. He, and I was like, I don't know, that's Tom. For sure, like he was going down, he's like, yeah, my roommate,

you know who my roommate is? Yeah, my ex-girlfriend. It was a long relationship, just 10 years. And everyone's like, okay. Wait, give me context about the chips. What did you? I'm sorry, I missed that. And then he's like, yeah, you know,

she lives up in upstairs, but you know. I keep her locked up in there. I keep her locked up in the room upstairs, but don't worry, I crush up chips and I slide them under the door. For her to eat, yeah. It was very like Dahmer vibes where I was just like, why are you, why is this the route you're going?

But like, does Tom know he comes across like a douche bag there? I mean, is he doing it on purpose? Is it like. Zero game. When he's like, so you guys are with a Burning Man? Oh, at 40 years old, come on now. So that's what I'm like, you know,

now he was trying to give him the best of doubt being like he's trolling them. Like he knows he's deliberately trying to sound like a douchebag. Oh, I don't know. And I was like, I don't know. I think that's Tom. No, even having not seen that directly,

anytime he says something shocking, let's the unhoused people thing, like he thinks it's, No, I know. That's he's being authentic. Have you ever seen him, the video of him at Shores and Sandys where he's dancing and these girls are just like standing there

like looking at him and he's like, My threshold for secondhand embarrassing is so difficult. And yeah, he's like, basically about to do the worm and everyone in it's not super packed and there's not a lot of people dancing. When I say to people, and again, this is not me defending Tom Sandoval,

but when people are just like, he's some master manipulator, it's just like, he's Tom Sandoval. Oh, I think he's very manipulative also. Sure, everyone can be manipulative, but I don't think he is capable of. I don't think he's self-deprecating, that's the thing. I don't think he's like, oh, I'm gonna be cringey

on purpose, like no, no, no. But I also just don't think he's that sophisticated. Speaking of like Rachel, slash Raquel, what's your take on her latest, I'm officially over her and her like just desperation of trying to continue to be the victim in a situation that she's not, but recently she called out Logan

and for walking in on Rachel and Tom. When we had Brad on Way Back When, off the show, Brad told us a similar story and he didn't wanna throw Logan under the bus. And whatever you think about that relationship or the friendship between Logan and Ariana, I am curious what you have to say about this. But I will just say, Rachel herself,

when she's talking about this, she still, when she says, doesn't know for certainty that Ariana knows. She goes, she is saying, well, they're best friends, so she must know. I don't know, maybe she does, it's all speculation. So Rachel is admitting that she has no idea what information was passed, and yet she is now claiming

in the fucking court of law that Ariana somehow knew when all she is speaking on is assumptions and conjecture and bullshit. She's not sure that any of these people knew anything. She's just assuming, well, they had to have known. They had to have known. No, they were so shady and denied and lied to everybody like they are not they were not as open and whatever I think that's like walking or it's like

like if Kanye and his his is it his wife or his girlfriend or his His captain her what I read she bring up Ali in that? Ali saw us at the abbey, because you guys denied it, hardcore, to everybody. Just because people are acting weird or dressing funny or doing weird shit together, like people- And she also told the story wrong about Logan, so. I'm about to get activated.

So first of all, we're defending Logan 100%. That is not how it happened. We discuss this in depth on the episode tomorrow. So I'll kind of leave it up to that. All I have to say is her version of how it happened is not what happened. At the time, he had no reason to believe something so evil could be going on.

He never said anything about that to me. He never said anything about that to Ariana at the time, because it didn't even faze him, because it didn't seem like him because it didn't seem like what she's described happening happened. So I think that she's taking just like we caught her and Joe and Tom and Tom at the Abbey in we talked about this too in like September, October. Another bar. Yeah. Yeah. At another bar at another time. And at the time, because she was making out with shorts and

shit, I thought it was that I thought it was a shorts thing. But then in hindsight, we were like, oh. So they, first of all, weren't as messy as they alluded to. But second of all, then if anything came up, they'd be like, what are you, you guys, that would never happen. Are you kidding me? Blah, blah, blah.

Because they thought their plan was going to come to fruition, which was write it out, Tom and Ariana break up, and then eventually they date. So no, that doesn't work. It's giving us, and it was, if only she got in the car and followed me, she would know. All you had to do is follow me. Come again.

Yeah, I just, who is telling Rachel what to say? Where do you, like, it's just so bizarre. She's coming up with this in her own. Delusion? Her own reptilian brain. I don't know, I'm like, at this point, she is 100% allowed to talk about her story, but the way that she paints things

is just not how it actually happens. So that's where I have a problem with it. Yeah, no, she just keeps looking like she's trying desperately to be a victim in a situation where she's not. If she wants it to die, how long are you gonna go back and talk about these different things? And each thing serves, at least from what I've seen

on TikTok and whatnot, to paint her in a better light and take some of the accountability away. And it's just like... I think it's just I... Because... Let's just move on. I think I heart's making her. I don't know, I've never met Rachel.

She doesn't strike me as someone who. So would you say that she's a sacrificial lamb? Well, that's interesting. That's weird. No, I think. She said that she was Bravo sacrificial lamb. No, no, you have way more. She has way more agency.

Exactly. Being on that show. She's an adult. Oh, the grooming thing made me so mad. You were a 29-year-old woman, you knew what you were doing, he didn't groom you. Also when she's like, you know what, after he mentioned that, or Lala mentioned that,

like, baby, I want, it's just like everything that Rachel's coming up with, it's always like, she just hears out there, the zeitgeist of the internet, she's like, you know what, maybe someone, like people, I mean, millions of people are fans of the whole Scandival and Vanderpump world, so there's a million different opinions, and Rachel is cherry picking the opinions that defend her

and goes, yeah, you know what, maybe I was the. I need someone to explain to her what figure of speech is and quick, because the way she wants, she's like, I'm inciting violence because I'll light you on fire. That was wild. She's like, and it's really messed up because there's people out there that'll actually do that. So Katie can't be going around saying that.

She said she would get fired. You would get fired if you had a normal day job saying what you said. A normal day job. If I said that I would light this person on fire, I would be fired. And it's insane that I'm out here inciting violence. Because someone thinks you're gonna actually,

it's not a figure of speech anymore. Also, you don't have a normal day job. It isn't a normal scenario, so. I know, but also, I don't mean actually, with real fire, do that. And I'm not suggesting someone do that. Like, ma'am. Do you think Rachel's listening to this?

Which I've heard she does. Like, good, good. It's time to learn what figure of speech means. It doesn't mean like literal. Literal. Well, she was like, yeah, it's not stand-up, it taught me boundaries. Does she know what literal means?

Because a lot of people say literally when they don't mean literally. Girl, a welcome to Earth. I'm also like, if you engage in a situation where you have to keep things secret, you see his partner and feel like you need to withhold your relationship, you know you're doing something wrong in the process.

So it's kind of interesting to me that now that we're looking at it in hindsight, it's I was groomed, I was this, but you went through a situation for seven months where you couldn't talk to your friends, couldn't talk to the people around you about your relationship. You're consciously making the choice to sneak around.

So where's the accountability? Well, grooming implies a power imbalance. We always talk about this. It's like Bill Clinton, Monica Lewinsky. She was a 22 year old girl. And he was a grown ass 50 year old man that was a president United States. They are both on the same show.

They were friends. They were in the same friend group. Where was that? You knew what you were doing and you were good with it. And you wanted, you've openly admitted you were hoping they would break up and you'd end up together. So yeah, I understand in hindsight,

looking back and being like, wow, I wasn't in love, I was in a really dark place and so I got excited about this person and we were both mirroring the version of ourselves we wanted to see on each other and it felt good and was exciting. That's all fine, but you were not taken advantage of. Can I agree more?

So please sit down. Have many things. Why does Andy Cohen think Brock is the voice of reason in the remaining episodes? Did he say Brock? He said Brock. He said Brock and Lala, I don't know. He said, he said Ellie and Brock

were surprising the voice of reason. Are we gonna see something that I'm not gonna... I don't know. Okay. He did say a lot of good things about the remaining episodes. Yeah, no, it definitely definitely gets a little more exciting, but I don't know, everyone watches it through a different lens, so I guess that's his take on it.

You know, the thing about Sheena, it's just like, well, obviously, I don't know if you guys, we had Charlie on the show, she called Brock a- Payroll husband. Payroll husband. Sheena's hated us ever since. a few guys, like we had Charlie on the show, she called Brock a payroll husband, Sheena's hated us ever since. And then it's not my fault that Sheena is embarrassing herself this season, I don't know what to make of her actions,

like when she says the shit about the orgies, and when she, the whole dancing with the stars scene, we haven't even got into that. I mean I will say, like I do get down on Sheena for, like, you know, hanging out with Tom and then getting upset that people get upset about it. But watching her this season and, you know, being very open about her relationship with Brock

has been, you know, it's been very, like, I've not enjoyed watching it, but it's like, you know, Sheena's, in the past, always tried to, like, paint a pretty picture and tried to, like, make things look, you know's like, she just, in the past, always tried to paint a pretty picture and tried to make things look, you know, like she's been very image conscious when it's come to that, but watching her and Brock work through things, it's kind of like, okay, that's very vulnerable and real of you, I haven't seen that from her.

I wish she would focus more on that. Yeah, well I mean, she's spread a little thin. But, you know, but yeah, I don't know, I think she was definitely going through a lot this year. I just don't, I don't understand the whole, like even Dancing with the Stars, that she's, like you can't have it both ways. You either can support your friend,

or you can complain that you're not on it. You can't complain that you're not on it, talk about all the reasons why you have the right to be a little upset, and then be like, but I'm happy for you. It's just, it's not gonna, it's never gonna land the way you want it to land. And like, she is allowed to want to go on Dancing with the Stars, but like Ariana should not have to defend herself. When that whole like scene where Sheena comes over, then she's like, yeah, so I kind of heard that you were upset or whatever.

And then Sheena gets mad at Lisa Vanderpump for allegedly gossiping her about her. And then Sheena basically confirms everything that Lisa allegedly said, which is, well, yeah, kind of, I mean, I guess I was a little upset that you didn't tell me a certain way. And again, why does Ariana have to tell fucking anyone about this announcement? And Ariana's right. I know she's publicly come out and said, why does Ariana have to tell fucking anyone

about this announcement? And Ariana's right, I know she's publicly come out and said, like listen, until this is done done, you don't fucking sit there and talk about it. There's an NDA as well. Yeah, she was very- Not even, I don't even as much, you can ruin your chances of getting casted. Yeah, that's-

That's for sure. Yeah, I think it was more about that, you have to make sure it's a done deal, and even if you're good friends with someone, yeah, she was very careful about telling anyone. I don't think it speaks to necessarily your friendship or where you're at or how close you are. And so I think making it about that is unnecessary.

It's like, you're really good friends, but like it's okay for her to be until it's publicly announced. And whether it was Dancing with the Stars or her being on Broadway, you know, not wanting to discuss it until it's out. Yeah. I know you can't talk about what we haven't seen this season,

but to me, it has seemed like an attempt. Before the season started, there was that commentary about Ariana potentially be painted as a villain, so much so that even Ariana commented somewhere, even I wouldn't be surprised because it's like, everyone knows how this shit works, it's like once you're up then you're down

and the whole thing. Obviously we had the Toms on this show, Sandoval more than anything, if nothing else, proved that he at the end of the day hasn't really done any work and he hasn't really, does still to this day, doesn't seem to understand why people see him for what he is. And yet this season seems to be an attempt

to hard as they might try to paint Ariana in a certain type of light. So far it seems like they're failing miserably. Is that more of the same for the rest of the season? Or, you know, because it does seem like even publicly Lala is trying to separate herself from our from Ariana I mean who do you what do you mean when you say they like the people on the show with that or like who yeah yeah you're cast mates um I mean god I don't know I mean I was trying to

figure out what was going on in front of me the entire time. I was like, how are we feeling about this? It was confusing because again, just like a few months prior, people had very strong opinions that were very different than what they were saying. And you know what, fine, change your mind anytime you want. It's your life, it's your choice, it's your whatever. For me personally, I usually

don't change my mind about a person or things until I see new information or modified behavior, which there wasn't. So I was confused. And I think with Ariane, it was just sort of like, because I think they were like, well, if we're going to have to all film together, we got to do the show. I think that was kind of the thing that was happening. I think they were like, well, if we're gonna have to all film together, we gotta do the show. I think that was kind of the thing that was happening. I think there was just frustrations that were happening. I think it was just coming from a frustrated place, I guess, I don't know.

Like frustrated that they didn't think Aria was playing ball and it's just like, hey, we all have to play ball. Kind of, but it's just like, she doesn't have to. Again, we all have agency. At the end of the day, I think at the end of the day, that's the reality. That is the reality of what is happening.

She still shows up to film it. We saw in the last episode, she was at the Balmain. He was there. It's just, I think, not being forced to have a kind of conversation on camera that it just doesn't feel like authentic or real. I don't know. Also like, you know, when people use their own life situation

and they use themselves in an example, and it was, who was it? Was it Lala or was it Sheena? Was Lala? Well, like I'm not trying to make it about me when I bring up my past. Like no one does. No one, when they say, yeah, me too, here's the situation,

even when you are trying to empathize, you are, if you're gonna use yourself as an example, you risk making it about you, but, and that sometimes can land and sometimes it doesn't, but not every situation is the same, you know? Like when you break up with someone and you don't have kids with them and you're not married, you know, it's a lot easier to separate yourself and say,

you know, I don't wanna fuck with this person. You know, Nally and I, we have a kid together and no matter what happens, we'll be in each other's lives for the next 18 years. Hopefully much longer and we love each other and we're very happy to have a relationship we have, but that's our reality. And Lala has a kid with Randall and that's her reality. Ariana doesn't have a kid with Tom. Other than that, and she's at a new house and other than the whole weird living situation for a while, like Ariana didn't have to do other, she

didn't have to make certain concessions that Lala probably had to because she had a kid with Randall. And that's not the same situation and if Lala had to get over something, fine, but doesn't mean Ariana has to. Well, but also it took time though still, like Ariana was still fresh out of it. And I think just because she was having these opportunities and she met a really great guy, that suddenly she should be further along in the process. But it doesn't matter. Everyone deals with things in their own time

and in their own way. That's what I was gonna say. But I'm just saying, even if she doesn't want to, even if she never gets to the point where she's like, eh, indifferent. Yeah. Correct. But that's what I was gonna say is people obviously are watching the show and they're not putting it, I think, into their mind frame

that that was three months after all of that had happened. Like, it was extremely fresh, and you're right, no matter what the timeline, she doesn't have to, but I mean, imagine having to deal with that. And it's not like they have no interaction at all ever, they certainly do, and I'd say it's pretty raw and authentic, but yeah, it's just like, she doesn't owe him that. No.

I don't know. Do you wanna talk about Joe? Or do you wanna talk about the sandwich shop? My question about Joe was that Joe called you a jealous accent and implied that you were blocking her from becoming friends with people or in the group. I know Kristen introduced her to the group, but I just wanted to ask you, can you break down,

was Joe actually around you before you and Schwartz split? Were you guys friends? Where? I mean, friends adjacent. Like, no, the only time she was around, like Kristen, if Kristen was having like a thing at her house, like Joe would be there. Right.

So like that's when we would see her, you know? So again, like I didn't, Tom and her like weren't like, Frank, I don't know how to explain this. You did say that she was like DMing you asking about haircuts. Yeah, so she would message me, she'd be like, I wanna get more like guy haircuts in my butt, which I'm like, I've only seen you cut guys' hair.

Like I don't, as far as I'm concerned. But she kept asking, texting me to like ask Tom if you want a haircut. I'm like, why don't you just like send Tom a DM? Like, why are you going through me? Like, and she was like, I just want to be respectful. Like, I don't want to like step on your toes. And then she moved in with him.

And then she sends me that message when we, the day we announced our divorce and then just like months later, it's like, then she's like, has no problem hitting him up and then asking him to stay with him like At first on the show I did feel a little bad for Joe cuz you know She was pointing out your comment, but now that you added context to it in the after show yeah Well because my comment was pretty hard yeah harsh But I get it, but I mean, like,

I'm even watching the season and I feel a little bad for Joe because Tom is not being a very good guy. Which is like- When Allie was like reading her horoscope and it's just like- Friend vibe, she's like, oh, she's like, but sometimes- I mean, I love Allie.

Allie jumping in, but sometimes, maybe. You didn't need to read someone's horoscope to realize that like that you're friends. I mean, the thing that she posted, the really long caption about him and the video compilation of their friendship, which it doesn't seem like he even acknowledged, yeah, it's clear that,

the comments she was liking on that of like, you guys should be together and whatever, I think it's just clear that they wanted different things that weren't aligned on what was going on. Seems like from a guy's point of view that Tom had sex with Jo at a convenience in selfishness. Yeah. Yeah.

You know, where he was bored enough to say yes to her advances, not thinking about how she might feel afterwards. Yep. Yep. And now in a classic Tom Sward sort of way, is trying to just everything's cool, everything's fine,

everything's cool, everything's fine, everything's cool, everything's fine. And it's not usually that easy as adults when they start. Yeah, it's like two things. It's like, yeah, Tom, you know, being them having like whatever relations that they had and everything.

And, you know, but I think he was, from what people that were around them and what they know is like, yeah, no, he was always like very upfront, like, I just, I want to be friends, I don't want a relationship, I don't want a relationship, I don't want a relationship. So it was not like he was like not being honest about that, but he would also like say things to her like,

what we have is magic, well, this is so special, it was a bro, woven romance, all like that. So it's like, you're kind of saying two different things and your actions are also saying otherwise because you would like ask her to hang out, you obviously were intimate together. So like, so while it's like, that's kind of like, that's on him, but it's also on her.

Cause like, as women, we also have to like believe a dude when he's simply saying, I don't want a commitment, I don't want a relationship. And also like, guys will just get what they can. Yeah, it's like, well, the breadcrumbing of it all and letting her believe it was more than it was. I don't think he's, I don't think Tom is a malicious or evil person at all, but I think that you also,

as a woman, have to come to the table and be like, okay, I'm accepting this. And for me, it seems more like she was hoping that it would develop into more. And she's like, okay, if I keep it cool right now and we're friends, but we're sleeping together, and he tells me all these nice things in private,

it'll become more, and it just didn't. Yeah, that classic case of, I hope eventually he sees me the way I want him to see me, and that just never happens. Which is such a bad feeling. Yeah, I feel for her on that, but. Yeah. My final question,

because we talked about this on the app when we were doing Vanderpump recap. Was Tom Schwartz actually pre-med or did he take a couple science classes that were going towards that direction? His major is classified as a pre-med. Okay. Yeah, don't ask me what it is, but yeah.

But it's like what people I think take if they wanna be like a... He did a couple of science classes. Yeah, I don ask me what it is, but yeah. But it's like what people, I think, take if they wanna be like a... You did your co-science classes. Yeah, I don't know what it's called. Like, it's technically in a pre-med, like if you wanted to later on go to like a medical school. But like, I think it's like sports medicine kind of thing. Copy that, okay.

I don't know, I don't know, but it goes into that category. I don't remember what it was, but technically. Kinesiology. Something like that. Yeah, where it's like... But I think it's like, we're not talking like heart doctor shit, but technically. Kinesiology? Something like that. Yeah, but it's like, but I don't think it's like, we're not talking like heart doctor shit,

but you know, in the category of. I know you're definitely tired about answering these questions, but it sounds like you guys got your liquor license. We've had our liquor license for some time. That was the easiest part of it all, surprisingly. Well, a lot of people made a big deal about the before and after photos about the shop,

and I suspected that that was, you guys are filming a TV show, you had to film some scenes there, and you probably weren't able to keep that shit up while all this was happening. The whole front of the building had to change. We had to get a whole new awning done. We also have to get permits for out there.

There's a lot of sign-offs that have to be done before we can put any of that shit back up. I'm just saying, the people who wanna see Ariana fall There's a lot of sign-offs that have to be done before we can put any of that shit back up. And like, more hoops. I'm just saying, the people who wanna see Ariana fall are just trying to use the sandwich shop against you guys. And I'm so, and then people are like, well, you could just give some updates. I have, you don't wanna listen.

I know it's boring, it is boring. It's, yeah, it's government, this and government, like, or local government stuff. But like, I have given the updates It's just it's not interesting. I guess to y'all and you don't want to believe it So I don't know what to say and like I don't mean to like be upset and angry But it I'm frustrated not with everyone but just with how it's all it's a grind. It's it's a grind. It's stressful But but those are the update, okay, but we're opening soon. So the valley

We loved it surprisingly Surprisingly, yeah. I loved it. It's kind of what Vanderpump almost should have become on its own. Well, that's what we were always hoping to transition into. Like adulthood. Yeah, yeah, but. But now, before the season even started,

we have two of the pre-existing couples of episode one. One separated, Jax and Brittany. Brittany wants to talk about it with anyone who asks. Jax keeps pretending it's some sort of private information, which is hilarious. And then you have the other couple. What's the other, where are the cast people? Jesse and Michelle.

Jesse and Michelle, they've already filed for divorce. All I know is that they're the enough separation. All I know is they're the one couple that wanted to talk shit about the valley. It is kind of fun to watch the valley because well, Sierra is in the valley, Nellie and I are in the valley, you're in the valley,

we're all in the valley. You're in the valley. We're all in the valley. So it's like, okay, like a little TV show about my neighborhood, okay, fun. It is weird seeing all the restaurants and places and being like, wait. Yeah. Hey, yeah.

It's great. What a way to launch your single, like new coming out party, single career. Because that's kind of what these couples, they announced their divorce prior to this episode one. So now what we're watching is like. I do have to wonder, I'm like, so now what is it about? Like, we're supposed to be about like.

We're watching the follow. But moving forward, like what becomes of this show, because it's about like, the whole intro is like, so now what is it about? Like, because it's supposed to be about like, we're watching the follow-up. Well, no, but moving forward, like what becomes of the show because it's about like, the whole intro is like kids and couples and now it's like, well, okay. So now it's Vanderpump rules where we're at, just mess. I mean, what did they expect from Jax? Chaos. By the way, like, yeah, he talks shit about you too.

I fucking hate him. Jax Taylor is a terrible human being. I haven't seen him. Well, you'll see coming up. Did you get to film with him? Yeah, but that was the first time I'd seen him in literal years. So I'm like, your disdain for me is creepy.

Kind of like his stuff with Kristen anyway, but. Speaking of Kristen, she's trying for a baby with her partner that lives in Colorado full-time. That was fucking wild. Jax Taylor, season one, not having been on TV in I don't know how long, and he's talking about his growth and his change and he's no longer the person. We got to learn who he was in Vanderpump and somehow while Scandival was going on, Jax Taylor wanted us to believe that he was somehow some reformed piece of shit.

And he comes on episode one to tell Kristen that she's not ready to have kids. Are you fucking kidding me? In what world is it your place to walk through whether Kristen Doty is ready to have a child? Genuinely. He acts all precious about the nuclear family now too, which is super weird.

And I thought his comments to Luke were so out of pocket and being like well, it's out of wedlock Which also is it 1950 why the who the fuck says wedlock? But like it's also not your business a lot of people choose not to get married and have partnerships and have kids Like it's not uncommon these days. So like why does that matter? Well, he contradicts everything He says the same way. It's, I was like, calm down, I stay at home, and then he- He makes up shit as he goes. He gets in the car and he's like,

I wanna stay all night drinking shots with shorts. It's like, so which one is it, dude? Yeah, there's that one scene, someone's like shots, and Jax goes, yes! Like, it was like, holy shit, calm down. Jesus Christ, it's not fucking high school. Now he said he's like very much on the family man, doesn't go out, do all of that,

and then the second that he announced the separation, or the separation was announced, it's like, no, he said he's like very much on the family man, doesn't go out, do all of that. And then the second that he announced the separation, the separation was announced, it's like club, another club, out, kids with Brittany going to dinner and he's in Montreal partying. So it's like, what is it, Sir Jax? Yeah. What is it? He doesn't know, so don't ask him.

And who is the couple that's getting divorced? What do we know about them? Jesse and Michelle. Do you know them? Have you met them? Yeah. I mean, I don't know them like super well, but I've spent some time with them and I was not a fan of him.

Michelle seems lovely. She's the sweetest. And I like, I, of course I've never said anything, but I would make comments with some of the other gals that be in our friend group. And we were like, he's kind of a pig. And I would hear, and they have this boys group chat and he would say really wack stuff in this group.

I'm not gonna repeat it cause it's- About his wife or just like extracurriculars? Just a tease? I think it's also some of that's gonna come out this season from what I've heard. Like extremely problematic. Yeah, I'd say problematic. Are we like sexist, racist, like which one?

Is it is? Is it is? Yeah, so yeah, I've spent, which is not a ton, but more time with Michelle and she is the sweetest person. They have a beautiful daughter. I think she's a wonderful mother. I'm very happy for her. I am too. I will say watching this, it's like,

I feel like Kristin really has matured over the years. We are going back and watching old episodes of Enterpump. And as a fan, I selfishly, and I apologize to Kristin. I want crazy Kristin back on my TV screen because she was awesome as a TV character. And I'm really curious if she's going to bless us with just a hint of that or is it just gonna be, again, because while Jax is questioning her right

to be her mother, she was rather poised. If she's in the right state of mind, like I would have lost my shit if some, if Jax of all people is questioning if I'm ready based on my state of mind. Yeah. Right. And she was level-headed. Conviction, yeah, she was convicted. It was really like, it was a little sad.

Yeah. I wanted to see. But I feel like the crazy Kristin thing is kind of like a similar to like a tequila Katie thing. It's like, are we crazy and it's a tequila Katie or are we just over it? Yeah, no. Are we just been pushed to the edge? I'm glad Kristin has demonstrated growth.

I'm just saying as a fan, selfishly. Well, I'm just saying, I'm saying from like the, you know, teasers and everything like that, like it looks like she does kind of pop off a bit, but like, you know, crazy Kristin is. from the teasers and everything like that. It looks like she does kind of pop off a bit, but Crazy Kristen is... It really seemed like Jax the whole episode was trying... When you were watching it, I feel like he was like, I'm back on TV.

Like him running around the party, pantsing people. Is that, to me that was like Jax being like, I'm back. I'm back on TV and I'm just gonna act like an asshole. I could be wild and crazy. It's so much fun. I'm back, I'm back on TV, and I'm just gonna act like an asshole. I could be wild and crazy. I'm so much fun. I'm a star, you know? Yeah, that was super weird. Yeah, I don't know.

I mean, he is a, he's a such a piece of shit. What? What? Don't hold back. No, I'm just, I'm not, I'm just watching your face, and it's funny, like, yeah, that's true. What does my face do? Sometimes I don't.

All right, the thing I forgot to talk about in the valley. Also, everyone welcome to the show, Leia, Time Warp. There she is. We replaced Justin. Justin was fired in between. Not so sweet, boy. Yeah, anyways, welcome, Leia. Welcome to the show. It's nighttime. Anyways. That's a sweet boy. Oh. Yeah, anyways, welcome to the show. It's nighttime, anyways, we did a time lapse.

But before we get to the bachelor, I know we have to wrap up on the valley, but the new couple, and that's the couple, I keep forgetting their names, they're new. The one's getting divorced already. Jesse? Jesse, Michelle. Okay.

Jesse's the guy or Michelle's the guy? Jesse's the guy. Who do you think? What are they, French? Yes, Michelle is the girl. What are they, French? Yes, Michelle is the girl. What are you talking about? Michelle, Michelle. Michelle.

Is it that crazy, you have a question? No, kind of. Yes, a little bit. Anyway, so that couple. Jesse, Michelle. Jesse, Michelle. Jesse, the one who hates being a father. Yeah.

The one who wants to drink champagne at 9 a.m. Who wants to go on the, serious question, Katie. Yes. You are a veteran. You are an iconic reality TV character. You've been on the show, how long have you been a Vanderpump? Emmy nominated Vanderpump Rules cast member. Thank you, yes.

For 11 seasons running, yes. Check off those boxes, yes. Let's just get it right. But like for the people, I don't know, the Jags-Tailors of them all, I can't imagine some middle-aged guy being like, you know what, I'm gonna go on the show and I'll be the deadbeat dad.

And look terrible, yeah. Is that just, can you explain it? Because I only come from Bachelor World and Bachelor World, the worst you can look is not there for the right reasons, but like you're just. Did he go on the show signing up for that role? Is that what you're asking?

Yeah, but yeah, I mean, it's his first episode. He's like, yeah, I'm a terrible fucking father. I like, meh, you know, my wife, she's a great mother. And like, when it comes to me being a dad, meh. He also made that comment to Lala about being his mistress in front of his. Yeah, then he also came off as a little creepy. That's him.

Okay. So you guys film so much and like on The Bachelor, at the end of the day, yeah, they pick and choose spots, but like eventually you'll show your true colors. It's a little hard to, I think, hide who you really are. I mean, people will try to like present themselves in a way, but I think it comes across as phony. So eventually it's easier just to be honest about who you are. I guess. Yeah.

And I think some people are a little too honest about who they are. Case in point. Yeah. I guess. I mean, I'm interested. I don't know why. I can't imagine.

It seemed like a natural off the cuff comment when Michelle was saying, do you wanna help with our daughter? I can't remember specifically what he said. And he was like, no. Yeah, no. And I think maybe that was like him trying to be tongue and cheek or whatever, but it just, it's like Boeing.

It didn't land. You know what I mean? I'm only seven weeks in. Maybe the charm will rub off, but like we just got done viewing the Bachelor finale. And like, it was a nobrainer for me to first, before we got back up here, started re-recording, which I was excited to get into,

to go help Natalie take River back in the car so they could go home. That's just something you do. And he's just going, no, I'm gonna go in the show. I'm gonna try to be funny and just be the guy who's like, no, I don't like being bad. I'm wondering if he truly just thought it was gonna be funny.

He's just trying to be ha ha, but just like, I know this is a small thing, and not to be nitpicky, but even the ice cream thing, where he got her all the ice cream, and also just let her go into the wild, and was like, good luck. She's walking around, and Michelle was like, okay, we need to have lunch, not just the ice cream,

and it was just like, hmm. It's certainly a choice, I'm just saying. It's a creative choice I don't think I would make to go on the show. She's a single parent is what it looks like. She's a single parent with an adult child. Yeah. Yeah. And a small child as well.

A mother of two. You know, literally. Wow, tough episode for him. I also think he came on right, he's a friend of Jack's. I think there was some like back history that like they've known each other from back in the day where I'm also like, that's not the most promising reference. Yeah, that's not, yeah. And when everyone comes along, they're like, they've known each other from back in the day where I'm also like that's not The most promising yeah, that's not yeah when everyone comes along they're like yeah, I knew Jack's back in the day We were roommates modeling together. It's like

Is that like the main? Something I forgot to bring up when we were talking about my Last episode when was Tom was I felt like it was when Tom was on this episode trying to convince me I was late when he was talking about Ariana's alleged like five-night rager I knew I knew he was totally full of shit and lying when he was like, yeah, then like I had to get up for work It's like work that I say Where and when I don't know., trying to say that she was, it was four, 35 o'clock in the morning.

He's not a nine to five guy. No. I don't wake up for work. Making that up. Yeah, no, I don't think so. Am I wrong? Did Ariana have a five dot rager? No.

No. I just wanted to make sure. I don't wanna. No, she did not. No, I mean, to make sure. I don't wanna. No, she did not. No, I mean, if there was nights that we were ever, I remember there was nights that we were like up kinda late playing music, but he wasn't home. So he doesn't know.

So he can't complain. That's what I assumed, but I had to get up for work. He just says shit that just he thinks sounds believable. I know, I know. Well, especially considering that there was just so many nights where he was doing that, where she was like PTSD, cause she'd be like in bed, like lying there,

and she would hear the JBL speech, girl turn on, and makes this noise where it turns on, it goes, she's like, oh my God. All right, maybe this story is too close to home, but you made me wanna, like you reminded me of the first time I went to Tom Sandoval's house when I was on special forces with him.

He had, you know, we- So like last month. Yeah, it was like three months ago. It's like three months ago. It was, you know when it was? It was your ex's birthday. So October. Yeah.

Yeah. And I, I wrote, Swarch was there. He, it was his birthday. He was celebrating his birthday at the viewing party and he was giving me the tour of the backyard and he pointed to the pool. And he pointed to the hot tub. And he's like, and he sincerely was like, yeah, man, that thing's like a time vortex. Like once you get in, you're there all night. And I'm thinking, it's just a hot tub. Why are you in there all night? But he was so passionate about the persuasion that apparently that hot tub had over him

and Tom Sandoval. No, it's the persuasion that Tom Sandoval has over him. We see it all. But on this episode, he did bow out at that party. Yeah, if Tom Schwartz is leaving your party because it's weirding him out, that says a lot. Something's gone terribly wrong. Tom Schwartz has never left a party at that house early.

Ever. You don't think that's not a sign of growth, but per se? I mean, I don't know what is a sign of, but like, it's kind of sad. I was like, yo, that's... It's a sign the wheels have fallen off. Yeah.

Yeah, Tom, I don't know what, he didn't... I remember him saying, telling me like, at some point, maybe the day after something, he's like, I felt really uncomfortable maybe the day after, he's like, I felt really uncomfortable and seeing it, I was like, that was the most uncomfortable thing I've ever seen in my life. I feel like getting to know him a little bit,

I don't know, maybe you have a different, you definitely know more than I do, but I feel like, I mean, Tom Schwartz's loyalty to Sandoval is well documented. Unwavering. Unwavering, and yeah. But it seems like now, it's like you can see him see it, like even the after shows where Tom's doing his bullshit.

And it's this God bless sworge for it's like, he won't give up on him, but it's like he sees what he's up against. I see him disassociating. He's like, uh. He used to like try to help him in some ways. Now he's just like, I'm just gonna. It was like on this couch where it was like trying

to explain what Tom Sandoval meant. And it was like, you don't need to be his interpreter or translator. Math equations. And now it's the after show where he's just like sitting there like, please stop talking. Please stop talking. No, he's literally just like that.

It's kind of great. Anyway. Gets his phone out. Before we get to The Bachelor, I wanna know, while we were watching The Bachelor, they showed a preview for Lisa Vanderpump's new show on Hulu, Vanderpump Villa, and I am dying to know your opinion.

I was on my phone, I told you I was on my phone. Do you wanna play it? Do you need the? I looked up. Okay, you know that she's dropping a show that seems to be like a new Vanderpump. Yeah, except for it's people that are like, they're living in a villa and they're,

I didn't see any guests. Are they supposed to be helping? I don't know. It's like, tend to guests? I didn't, they don't, it doesn't, did. Is this a Lisa Vanderpump villa or is this like a French house they rented? It's formatted in the style of Below Deck.

So they're like the staff. Every episode will be like a new group of people staying there. Why do you think it's on Hulu and now Bravo? I don't know, or Peacock. Or Peacock. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe she's trying to branch out babes.

I was gonna say, I feel like Lisa, didn't she have a show where she invited people over for dinner and stuff that wasn't on Peacock or Bravo? It was on E. So it was like, so she's just this. Bravo adjacent. It's yeah, it's okay. That would also be Peacock.

Yeah, I don't know. That is a good question. I don't know if like, I don't know how that happened. What do you think about it? You seem to have an opinion. I'll tune in. No, I don't. She's an insider. I'm not opinion. So what do you think? I'll tune in. I'm not, no, I don't. She's an insider.

I'm not, it's Hulu. You think I'm an insider? First of all, I- More than I am. I didn't even know that it was happening until she was like going to go do it. And I had such minimal information. I'm-

I'm curious. I don't, I don't, I'm learning about it with the rest of the world, you guys. You want me to defend her? Really, what I found out about it, I was like, can I come to France? Can I come? Hang on a minute, is there going to be a crossover? I know that they were looking for people for like bachelorette parties,

all that stuff, because my friend sent it to me and was like, should we go to the French villa, like fake a marriage and just go? And I was like, maybe, but no. I'm willing to give it a shot. It really just depends on how the casting is. I think they're just trying to re-kickstart the magic that happened like season one of Vanderpump. Do you know how many times that's been tried? Tried, yeah.

I don't think you guys went hard to the paint. We've said a million times like why we think our show worked and works so well and it's not something you can recreate. But I mean it doesn't mean it can't be entertaining or it can't be a great show. It's just not gonna be like the same kind of show. You know, I mean, I think it's something they try to do

with Southern and Hospitality, but I'm enjoying that show. I think it's a great show. It's just not the same show. It's just a show about a staff that works at a club in, you know, Charleston and stuff like that. It's entertaining. It's like, it's the same kind of like, you know, drama people that work in hospitality and that kind of things,

but it's not the same, same thing. But I don't know. I mean, like, yeah, I'm, I'm, of course I'm curious. Of course I wouldn't watch it, but I don't know. I don't have the insight. Sorry, I can't help you out there. Totally okay. Like I know nothing about the casting.

I know nothing about the people. I know nothing about like filming and all that. So, sorry. Now I feel like I'm Jesse Palmer. Cause I'm like, no, I know nothing about the people, I know nothing about like filming and all that, so. All right. All right. Now I feel like I'm Jesse Palmer, because I'm like, before we get to the Bachelor. Uh. No, we were also watching the Bachelor,

another commercial that we saw was the movie for the stunt man, was it the stunt man? The security. No, it's with uh. Fall guy. Ryan Gosling, the fall guy. And Emily. It's about a stunt man. Ryan Gosling. The Fall Guy. It's about a step man.

Ryan Gosling and Emily Blunt. Two very charismatic characters and I couldn't help see their charisma pop off the screen watching it. And it's just like, how do you marry to an actor? You be another actor. You gotta be very secure. You gotta level the playing field.

Is that how you do it if you're John Krasinski? You gotta be very secure. Eva Mendes. Eva Mendes, yeah. I don't know, I think that Eva Mendes wakes up in the morning and looks in the mirror and is like, yeah. Yeah. I don't know that she's even Emily Blunt stunning. And yeah, they're making out.

It's not a matter of hotness, it's just more like, damn, you guys are very charismatic together. Yeah, but the thing is, I don't think it's what you think. I don't think it's as sexy as you think it is. Well, yeah, didn't they say Ryan Gosling and, what's her name, Kate McAdams did not like each other? Kate McAdams. Rachel McAdams.

They dated for several years. They were like a couple for a long time. Isn't the rumor on set they weren't fans of each other? No, that's 50 Shades of Grey. I think you're thinking of Dirty Dancing. Jennifer Grey and Patrick Swayze did not get along. Maybe it was the internet giving me fake news, but I definitely saw somewhere that they did not,

but fuck me. Yeah, they dated. It did an interview with Zendaya and Timothee Chalamet, and they asked questions about their chemistry, and they were just like, no, we are just friends. Did they have chemistry? In Dune. Huh.

Huh. Yeah. Well, just phenomenal actors, I guess. Anyway. Great actors. Yeah, they got, it's... Looks like a good movie. It's almost like they should get paid for it.

Sure, but like, sometimes like that chemistry is just like natural, you know? Like Joey and Chelsea. Sometimes you can, you can't. Like Joey and Kelsey. You can fake it. You find something you really like about the person, you love about the person,

and then you use that to like, you know, not fake it, like, create chemistry out of that. It's not the same kind of chemistry you have, like, with your partner or person. I mean, Brad and Angelina, I mean, he was married to Jen Aniston, and then that happened. Obviously, different situations. They were so good at acting, they actually fell in love.

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The time for shot o'clock. Shot o'clock, oh my goodness. What was that? That was- No, I know. I know it was Jen's thing, but why did she lead with that? I don't know.

Anyways, obviously like Joey and Kelsey are together. Like what did we, like very solid finale. I love them together. I think they're so adorable. Across the board, just good vibes. Like the Daisy exit was nice. I mean, I got emotional. Like women empowerment.

Was it different than anything you've ever seen before on The Bachelor? It's never been done. But I don't think Daisy's the first one who wished they could have done it. Totally, sure. Most people aren't as delusional as I was when I was in that position.

I was like full steam ahead. I'm like there were a couple moments where I was like, yeah, that's definitely not me, but I would snap right back in. I'm like, no, you're fucking in this shit. But I think a lot of people before that, I think Raven from my season, I think she fucking knew. I was very careful about what I didn't say and what I said.

I really didn't want to lead people on. And Raven's a very intelligent person. I think she fucking knew. I was very careful about what I didn't say and what I said. I really didn't want to lead people on. And Raven's a very intelligent person. I think Rachel knew. I think they all knew. Well, I can say that Joey wasn't a subtle, I'll say that much. It was pretty obvious. I think they almost had to do what they did

because what was Joey's line? I hope you fall in love. I hope you find love even if it's not with me. Even if it's not with me or just in general. Or with someone else. Or with someone else in general. Once Joey said to Daisy, that was it. Like they had, like they were like,

you just told her, you just told her you're not gonna pick her, dude, she's smart. The joy literally left Daisy's face, body, she like was like, okay, I'll kiss you. And they couldn't edit it out. They had to, and they did, I'm glad they did what they did because they could have edited that part out.

They could have edited that part out and had Daisy did what she did and that would have almost made her seem like, you're quitting, how do you really know? Well, her entire demeanor changed. She was like, literally, she turned into a sad little puppy. Like, just, it would have been hard to explain. Or just in general.

Well, I don't know. Just in general. Or just in general. Imagine how many women are on that show and I guess when it's also the Bachelor, like men who have anxious attachment styles when all you're doing is seeking validation. So she kept saying like,

I'm not getting the validation here, I'm not getting the validation. Cause it seems like he was also careful to not, I mean, he told her without telling her. We should get t-shirts and say, or just in general. Yeah, that's what I could not do that, Jo. Never.

I could not do that. Cause I would be like, I need clarity, I need you to tell me exactly where your head's at. Right, competing for a man in this economy? No, absolutely not. I'm like, I like to be pursued, so you're gonna have to come after me. I'm not going to Kelsey's room.

I'm going to Joey's room being like, hey, is it me? No, because I'm feeling like no. Do you love me? Are you choosing me? If not, I'm leaving. Exactly. Is that how this works, Katie? I'm like, I don't care.

The friend thing was kind of, it it was did it play out for you? I mean, whatever. Did you like it? I didn't care. Oh I don't really have a strong opinion I mean they kind of made a big deal about the two of them being in the car together for it to kind of That was a night. That was a nice moment. Sure touch. I didn't well when I say I don't care I feel like other people have stronger opinions about the moment. Like, I think you suggested that almost like... Kelsey was being a girl's girl in that moment because, you know, at that moment she's like, okay, well, it is me, obviously, because this girl clearly...

Kelsey was wearing white. She was wearing white. She was like, I know it's you. She's like, I know I'm wearing white. She's wearing her wing. She walked out. I got all the validation I needed. And Daisy's like, I got zero.

And she was like, yes, oh, sorry. Okay, well, let me cuddle you. She was like, let me just be here for you in this moment. Let's go together. So Kelsey was the better friend. No one was being a better friend. I think she just kind of put her stuff aside for a moment just to be like an emotional support for Daisy.

That was being a friend. But not that Daisy wasn't, she had to just be in her emotions and she tried to like hold it together and do the graceful exit thing. Well, also, that has always confused me because friend, yes, I guess friendships form, you're in a house together, but you are all competition.

So is it like, is that a scenario in which that would even be required? Yeah, you don't wanna be a dick, but. It gets very weird towards the end. It gets very personal. In most cases, like the reason they separated is because like, yeah, even if you like the person, you're just like, oh, this is like too fucking weird. I mean, again, Joey was this like, or, or in general.

And in that moment they were like, oh, she knows, she knows she's not going to be picked. So like, how else I felt bad for Kelsey. She knows she's not gonna be picked, so how else can we make this work? Had they cut that out and aired it, where Daisy's just moping around, yeah, he's definitely not gonna pick me, because she fucking knew. How did you feel bad for Kelsey? I feel bad for Kelsey because I feel like her moment

of getting to go up there and be proposed to and not know beforehand was taken from her. I hear what you're saying. I just think having been in that position, you don't care about anyone ruining the surprise. Like if any moments, if you were to be the one or not be the one, like a heads up is fully appreciated.

Right, and I don't think Joey knew though because he tried to do the fake out. Joey definitely knew. He tried to do the fake out. Joey definitely knew. He tried to do the fake out though. It could be wrong, we'll ask him. But, and then he like went with it, but Kelsey already knew that she was gonna be the choice. Oh, I'm sorry, you knew, okay, I get what you're saying.

I thought you said that Joey didn't know who he was gonna pick. No, no, no, I'm saying I don't think he knew that they had that moment before. He might not have known, for sure, he might not have known, yeah. He almost certainly didn't, unless someone told him. Well, when he, like, after Daisy walked away,

when he kind of like walked off and was like talking to producers, you don't think someone was like, by the way, they came together. I don't know. They tried to do the thing. You don't think so? Well, first of all, only if they wanted him to know.

Like, that would have happened without him knowing. And like, there are a lot of things that the lead doesn't get to know. If they want the lead to know, they would have happened without him knowing. And there are a lot of things that the lead doesn't get to know. If they want the lead to know, they'll tell them, but only if they want them to know. But what if she's like, how do she do? I mean, I don't know. Afterwards, they're like, oh my gosh, she's fine. They'll give you the whole, she'll be sad, but she's, you know, the bachelor or bachelor that will often check in after they send people home late in the journey.

And you're like, yeah, how's so and so? Cause you feel like you get to know, I just don't want to say names from my season, you know? But yeah, like in Joey's case, he might be like, how's Rachel? How's Rachel doing? I have a question. Is it true when you're doing like the rose ceremonies,

like when there's 15 of them that they're telling you the names? No, there's no earpiece. You walk in. You have to remember their names? They give you four names. Or it's kind of a game of guessing. Usually it's four. They'll give you four names,

and first of all, when the women are there or the guys are there, it's a quiet room. And unless you've listened to the show before, you're some super fan, you have no fucking clue what to expect. I can't remember one person's name when they've told it to me 10 seconds before. I know, then this is what would happen to you.

So there's a whole, so like, they basically they give you four names and they walk you out and they say, just, you know, do your thing. If at any moment you forget, if you forget, just walk on back. Because the people there, they'll just think like, there's more suspense or you're still making a decision.

They have no, like us guys who are sitting there walking in and out five times, you're like, holy fucking shit, will she make up her mind? You don't fucking know. So they give you four names and you say four names, you walk off, you say four names, you walk off. The first time you're there, you're like, what the fuck is going on?

No, you don't. I'm just glad you didn't have a Chelsea and a Kelsey on your season because that would have been a mess. Now, Jesse Palmer classically now hosts the show. I think classically like said the wrong name. He did. And had to be like, no, no, sorry. She walked up to get the rose and he's like, oh.

Six top. Not you. I would just leave. I think they had to rig out another rose. But now I just wondered that. I'm just like, he just remembers all his names. So yeah. Well, luckily there's a lot of names.

They're like Matt P, Matt S. Yeah. It's not that hard, yeah. And again, if you forget, you just walk off and everyone's like, that much more intense. Okay, I like it. But now everybody knows if you're ever on it and he's walking away, it's because he doesn't remember.

Yeah, yeah, now you know. If he comes back and he calls your name Nexus because he couldn't remember it. You're not a front runner. Jenna's new Bachelorette. Wow. Shocking, very shocking everyone. I was shocked that it wasn't Daisy after this episode.

Well, first of all, obviously, you know, first Asian Bachelorette, that's amazing. Love the representation. Sad that it took this long. Elephant in the Room, everyone's super disappointed. It's not Maria mostly. I think there was a lot of Daisy fanfare after her like strong ending because like she was the last person to get broken up with. So there's always going to be that buzz around

her name. But where I feel bad for Jen, I think there's a lot of like positive sentiment for Jen because like she seems like a wonderful person. We just don't know anything about her. And that's what's a bummer is because like there's 31, like there was 30 women, right? 32. Okay. So however many contestantsmer is because like there's 31, like there was 30 women, right? 32? Okay. So however many contestants plus the lead, there are that many like stories that they have an option to tell, like they always focus on the lead

and then they have like what three or four other stories to tell because there's limited time. So they chose to focus on Maria, they chose to focus on Daisy, obviously Kelsey, she ends up. It's like they didn't do Jen any favors by not focusing on their story. Now, I was told by someone who was told that, as a week ago, Maria was the Bachelorette.

Now, this person could have been definitely wrong. They clearly were, but I thought it was. Like two hours before we're recording this, I called a friend and they were like, yeah, so it's not her. It's Jen. And I was, I was surprised, but I guess they, I heard that they, Maria was the choice and that they couldn't make it work for reasons that are unclear, but I could be wrong.

I'm sure Maria will get asked about the process. I mean, Daisy, another, she came out and said she's not ready to date But the big question is is that Daisy? You know being gracious and being a good sport and like everyone showing support for Jen or does did date was Daisy asked? Did she turn it down because she is in fact not ready. I'd be curious to know call me Daisy Do we have any speculation in the room? No, I feel like it feels genuine. I don't know, maybe she's just really not.

I mean, she seemed pretty, not traumatized, but like pretty, I don't know, shaken up. The intensity of reality television, it wouldn't surprise me if she genuinely just needed to take a beat, even if it wasn't like maybe for the show's sake, she's like, oh, I'm not ready to date. Maybe in general, that was a really big experience

and she needs a breather. So that one's for me. I think she had a strong enough, which was a very popular season, no doubt. She was a star in this popular season. If they needed to go back to Daisy, they definitely could. Like if in a year from now, they have another bachelor season

where for whatever reason, like, you know what this season, like, you know what's a season that's really underappreciated? Peter Weber's season. Did you watch that season? I did. That was fucking crazy. Is that pilot Pete? Yeah, pilot.

That was an amazing season. I don't remember. Here's what was so amazing. You just have to remember the ending with Barb, his mom, and just the fight that his mom had with Maddie Pruitt. What people don't realize is that Peter was so chaotic and so messy. Now keep in mind, after that messy fucking finale,

Peter Weber, God bless him and I love him as a person, he's a great guy, started dating Kelly Flanagan and then he broke up and then got back together. But before he started dating Kelly Flanagan, he got engaged to Hannah Ann Starr, love her, she's Baker on the internet, she's crushing life, happily engaged. New head Victoria Fuller, friend of show,

who famously didn't even show up for her hometown. Right before hometown, she just picked a fight with Peter and said, fuck this, I'm not even going. Left her parents sitting in the fucking house, right? And you had all these- With him? No, no, no. She's walking with Peter,

I don't know what the fuck happened. They were like on her doorstep. And I don't know, like Victoria Fuller got activated and she said, fuck this, picked a fight with Peter, said, I'm out. They made up the next day. It was awesome.

It was iconic. I think as great as she is, I think she was a little messy for maybe the Batshurette, you know, whatever, but like they had no, so you couldn't pick Hannah Ann because he was like just, you know, whatever, but like they had no, so he couldn't, you couldn't pick Hannah Ann because he was like just, you went into the finale, he was just like, he's engaged,

but five minutes later they broke up. And then he was with Maddie. And he was with Maddie, so he, he, he, all these great options of Bachelorettes were like on pause because Peter was so fucking messy on his season. He was hopping from. That you're going into the finale being like, who the fuck is Peter Weber with?

And he was maybe with like half his cast. I mean, that's an exaggeration, but not really. But that's why you didn't have anyone from that season. My energy. Who ended up being the Bachelorette? Did they use someone from a previous season? Who ended up being the Bachelorette? It was like 2020, 19.

Nick, I know it's your job to be, you're so knowledgeable about this. Were you a fan of The Bachelor? from a previous season. Who ended up being The Bachelorette? It was like 2020, 19. Nick, I know it's your job to be, you're so knowledgeable about this. Were you a fan of The Bachelor before? We covered the show. Oh, I had never seen it. Had you ever seen it before you went in? Before I got casted, I bought Desiree's season,

which was The Bachelorette's before I went on, and I watched that, and then I watched the current season, which was the Juan Pablo season at the time, and I watched all, so I definitely did my homework. Prior to that, I had friends who'd watched it. I had seen episodes of Sean Lowe. I knew who Emily Maynard was, you know. I was familiar with it, but I wasn't a fan.

Was it Claire? Yeah, yeah, they made it Claire. Oh my God. Then Claire, yeah. And that was the worst. That was the worst. That was the best. And then Tasha, yeah.

And then Tasha had to fill in. Cause that was also like COVID too. And was Tasha from Peter's season? Yeah. Okay, so yeah, they had to pull in Tasha because Claire picked somebody after the second week or something. Yeah.

Yeah. Anyway, I'm excited, you know, happy for Jen. I just wish we would know. We knew more. We don't know anything about her. And I hope, you know, I hope they aren't as precious. They're usually so precious with giving us access to their leads,

but they did such a poor job of telling Jen's story on this season. I hope they decide to let us know who this person is, because... I feel like we got to know her a little bit at the Women Tell All. A little. She had the hot seat.

Well, maybe that'll make it kind of more interesting. I don't know. Sure. Yeah, for us diehards, we're gonna watch it either way, you know? But I'm just saying for the people who like, you know. Well, but I mean, like maybe not having all the info so you're not going in with already like,

an opinion that is already colored, that you're like, I don't know anything. So we can all learn about this together. We'll see, I don't know. Listen, they surprised with Hannah Brown, that worked out. That worked, yeah. They surprised you with me and say what you want, but you guys watched the fuck out of that season.

And yeah, so who knows, who knows? And she does shots, so. 10 o'clock. Shot o'clock. Is that a Bachelor thing or is that a her specific thing? First time I've ever heard that in my entire life. I guarantee that's gonna be a thing of the season. No, it'll probably be a thing,

cause like we don't know anything about Jen, so like all over the internet for the next three days, shut a clock. You remember, this another thing reminds me of when Becca Kufrin was the bachelorette. What was her big thing? You remember? And I get like for three days, everyone was saying it and everyone was like, now don't ever fucking say it again. Oh, my God.

What was her tagline? Let's do the damn thing. Let's do the damn thing. She said it like 30 times at the finale and then she was the vassarad and like three days later I was like, don't ever fucking say that again. It's giving that the guys are gonna be pretty messy this coming season then if her tagline is Shot O'Clock.

I'm like. She wants that apparently. Someone with a big personality. Big, big Shot o'clock. Huge, enormous. Maybe it's time it gets a little messy because like. How old is she? Do we know? I don't know.

I remind my, no disrespect to Jen, but he was like, so who do you know the best red is? And my friend was like, Jen. And I was like, who again? Like, which week did they go home? You know, there's so many contestants, it's such a blur. They didn't tell her story. Not like-

She's 26. Not like they told, you know, Daisy's and Kelsey's and Rachel's and Maria's. She got kicked out. Oh, Lexi, you know, we know more about Lexi. Facts, and I really liked Lexi, but she got kicked off the week before hometowns, correct? Lexi?

Jen. Oh, Jen, yeah. I think so. So like we didn't get to see like her family and like home stuff and everything. No, no. Oh, that's a bummer. What did you think of Maria getting up at the end

and giving her stamp of approval for Jen? I think it was very smart for them to do that because like it's no, obviously, like a lot of people wanted Maria. The internet was very, I mean, a lot of people wanted Maria. internet was very I mean a lot of people wanted Maria it seemed the the hashtag the basher was very pulling for Maria so much so that like when they did the whole Daisy fake out there were even

you know Daisy's very popular like I thought I thought Davey was Daisy was a slam-dunk they were upset about that so I think they were I so I think it was smart Maria's very graciously said a lot of nice things about Jen so like I think they were, so I think it was smart. Maria very graciously said a lot of nice things about Jen. So like, I think that was a very smart way to support their Bachelorette and pass the torch, so to speak. I don't know if it'll work with Bachelord Nation, but, and then a lot of people immediately were like,

oh, maybe Bachelord in Paradise, but like, who knows? If they don't do Bachelord in Paradise, they're really missing out, because the women from this season have been- No, maybe that's what they're waiting for. Are they not doing it? Are they not doing it? Are they not doing it? It was such a fucking mess last year.

They had, I think, one of the worst ratings ever after following the Golden Bachelor, which was like through the roof ratings. And it was not good. It was not good. Also hot take, but I feel like the men on Bachelor in Paradise have kind of ruined it in the sense that they're not really going after the women. They. Also hot take, but I feel like the men on Bachelor in Paradise have kind of ruined it

in the sense that they're not really going after the women. They're like, cool, bro, hang out. It's very bro-y. It's very like, yeah. And the women are like, hey, are we on a couple or not? And he's like, hold on, we're just gonna hang out with my bro. So I'm like, if they actually had men

that were like of caliber, like actually looking for relationships, it would be great like the old times. But like, I think that's where it fell off a little bit. Oh, the problem is, I don't think't think men want to kiss each other for the most part. Yeah, and also like probably the problem. How many people are clearly should look for a relationship? But what if they make it so it's like they're not there to look for a relationship, but they're just like they're like look for, I don't know, someone to like hang out with for a

little while. I think, I think what it is, I think you're right. No, everyone's going there, not just for relationship. And I think it would be insane to only go for like, I would literally be insane. But I think when the women show up, they're more like, all right, let's lock the last lock, lock the fuck in. We're here. Like when I showed up, you know, I was like, I was there for like, I was literally, I mean, literally there, I was like, I've never been to Europe, so this will be cool. Like that was my justification.

Didn't you film in Mexico? No, we went to Europe the first time. I mean, either way, I mean, I knew we were gonna travel. Like, and I had never been to Europe or Asia, so either way, I was gonna be winning. But the way that people get like engaged in Bachelor in Paradise, and I know it's worked out for some of them,

but that's kind of insane to me. But I think, can they make it a bit of a different sort of premise in something? When we're talking about doing The Bachelor games again. I think they should bring back Bachelor Pad or some sort of Bachelor of Games. Reality competition has never been more popular. Yeah, so it's not about just trying to lock it down.

Bravo did so much better of creating some sort of like universe. I think ABC The Bachelor, they're more known for alienating their alumni and being like, thank you next for whatever reason. And they just decided not to. But yeah, well, it's more than obvious that no one's there trying to... Once you're off the bed, everyone's like, they get kind of put into a sphere of, I don't know, like it's own world.

Well, it's like, they go on The Bachelor, they didn't get chosen, they went like that, they were trying to be like influencer or whatever, something, so just don't try to capitalize on that, sort of what The Bachelor already is, where it's like looking for love, trying to capitalize on that sort of, what the Bachelor already is. Where it's like looking for love, trying to get engaged all day, if they just meet something else entirely, I don't know.

Yeah, why can't you just admit everyone, we're all frisky and half our hearts are broken. Why does it have to be this serious thing? Is it Bachelor Paradise supposed to be the Bachelor light? It's just. Yes, but Bachelor, again, depends on who's making the decisions there. It's a company like any other, people come and go.

So people's opinions on what the show should be change. It's been a comedy at times. It's been more earnest, like the people who run the franchise. I mean, they take making great television very seriously more than anything. But like some are more into like the love and they take are very earnest about it. And like so much so that part of the problem is that the show has shamed people for showing up for the wrong reasons. So people are feigning sincerity because they're so afraid

of the show being like, you're not there for the right reason. They don't need to be there for a reason period than just to show up, look hot, maybe make out with somebody, have a good time. Like, I don't know. Yeah, you come from Bravo. It sounds great. What I've learned watching Bravo and The Bachelor,

two very different fucking- I was gonna say you're just describing Love Island now. Well they, and it works. They couple up and do this stuff. A week ago, Jesse Palmer on the tell-all was like, the craziest thing this season was like, did Maria tell so-and-so to shut the fuck up? That was the big like, oh no.

And like meanwhile, Jax is like, I fucked a porn star. You know, like, you know, so just two very different levels of entertainment. I know, but. If you were a producer on the show, Katie, what would you want to watch from DeBesher more? I think they could use notes, to be honest. Like, it's like this wholesome show where it's like,

you know, it's like, no, the fuck it's not. No, it's not. What do you want it to be? I wanna see mess. I'm gonna get nasty. Yeah, I wanna see some, I wanna see some people bitch each other out. I wanna see people get wasted.

I wanna see, yeah. I wanna see some slob kebabs immediately. Everyone's too buttoned up. Slob kebabs. It's too buttoned up, it's like, oh my God. It's ABC The Bachelor. Like it's network television still. Hey, you had Corinne, you had,

who's the girl that passed out during- Well, you know, you had to have the guts to take the wrath. Like, the problem with being, especially the Bachelor. I know, Kailin Bristow was like the, she was the wild card of it all, and she was like that wild, and like, what the hell? You get judged, you get judged,

especially as a Bachelor, or as the Bachelorette, for like who you keep and send home, even though like half the time you don't give a shit. And like me knowing that Corinne, Corinne was a star. An absolute star. Like whether we had, you know, but like I knew I was gonna get shit and I fucking got shit, you know,

but like you're welcome. You're welcome. She's a star. Well, yeah, no, I mean, I get it. I get it's ABC, I get it's. Middle America. Oh, I know. They wanna keep it wholesome. That's why we. Well, yeah, no, I mean, I get it. I get it's ABC, I get it's. Middle America. Oh, I know. They wanna keep it wholesome.

That's why we have you, Katie. Step away from Walmart. So we can like, you know, cruise on over to fucking cable. The best thing that's happened to Nick is branching into Bravo. He's like, wait. It's like, oh my God, the discourse here. Like so much fun, so much to talk about.

Yeah. Yeah, it's great. Katie's like, that's my life. Dana. I'm like, ugh. Can I, here's a question. What? You filmed the Yeah. Yeah, it's great. Can you say that's my life? Dana. Can I add, here's a question. What? You filmed the reunion, we hear it's messy. We hear Andy Cohen saying it's strong finish.

I think a lot of people went into season 11, thinking maybe it's the last, I'm assuming you don't know, but if you were in Vegas placing bets, are you expecting a season 12 or no? I mean, I would assume, I mean, the ratings have been really good. So, I mean, unless the ratings are bad,

like, I can't imagine that they wouldn't. I don't know, we don't find that out. We find out when everyone else does. It's usually not now. And do you expect any major mix-ups, like any core members possibly not returning? I don't, I mean, I don't know. Anything's possible or?

I think anything's possible. Dana, I love your input on this. Any chances of returning? Maybe it's safer for you to answer. I think anything's possible. We literally just said that. I mean, cause I just think, I could see it going one of two ways and I hope the shake up happens.

Is it them or them? Like is it like a, it's either you or me to the death? Like could have, just throwing out names. I don't think that would ever work. I don't think you can make those kinds of demands. I think I've heard like housewives maybe do that in the past. And I don't think it'll work. Not even demands, I don't know.

I think that certain people are sick to death of certain things about the show and it will probably be up to them ultimately. You think Ariana's gonna graduate from being on Vanderpump Rules? I don't know. I think that makes a lot of sense, yeah. I think't know. I think that makes a lot of sense. I think some people.

I would watch a spin-off of you and Ariana. Where do we get the drama though? It's like you grow up and then everyone else still is doing whatever they're fucking doing and the fucking, maybe they would just be, I don't know. Dana, would you ever return to reality TV? If it was a certain set of circumstances, so like Vanderpump rules is just obviously not a fit for me.

It definitely not no, but it's not something that I'm like, I really fucking wanna be on reality TV. If it was something that I was excited about with people that I was excited being around, yeah, sure, why not? We're on a rock floating through space. We're all gonna die soon, sure. I think you're excellent television.

I think you're too good for your own good. Like you're too afraid to go on and say what you'd really wanna say. I don't. You don't say that as a compliment. Well, thank you. But no, it's not that I'm afraid of saying what I wanna say,

because that's how I operate in my real life. No, I'm not back on reality TV like that. Yeah, it's a bit like, it's, but there are certain elements about it that I do feel like are not to be a bitch, but like more elementary than I am that I like just don't, there's certain things I don't wanna participate in

and it's like you, that's playing the game. You still have to pants people as a 40 year old man. Yeah, so. Yeah, I hear ya. I won't be pantsing anyone, but if it were the right circumstances with the right girls. Well, we are loving the Valley and Vanderpump. I'm excited to see how it all goes down.

Any other Bachelor thoughts? I mean, again, congratulations to Jen. Bachelor, I'd love to know who your next lead is anytime before the season starts. Thank you ladies for being a part of this episode. This was so much fun. Thanks for playing with us. Lots of fun.

Yeah, we had a great time. We talked about a lot. We spent the whole goddamn day together. Yeah, it was a good. Overall a great episode I thought. Great episode. A great season. And if you want more, tomorrow,

Disrespectfully is out, another episode. I think you elaborate on some of the tea we talked about today. And then some. And then some. And then on Thursday, a reminder going deeper, we got Joey and Kelsey with us. Hopefully we'll get to know them a little bit more.

I will say it's a hell of a time between fucking when they wrap filming and this moment. Those couples are not set up for success. No. I can't wait to ask them all about it. They're not, they're not. Like imagine, okay, you get engaged on a show. You've spent, I don't know, let's say 10 hours together.

I think that's being generous. I think you have a weekend, that's pretty cool. Like you off camera, you get like a weekend. You get 10 hours combined? Probably, yeah. The whole time. The whole time, one on one time. Then you get put up in a really cool place. That weekend's pretty cool.

You get to connect, you call your friends, everything's exciting, and then you go back to your world and that's kind of freaky and you're kind of freaking out what the fuck just happened. You're not allowed to like, you get your phones back, you're back online, who knows what's been saying who or what, you talk to your friends, you can't see your person, and every two to three weeks you get to fly out. They lock you in like a, you know, a house. It's nice, but again, you can't see your person. And every two to three weeks, you get to fly out. They lock you in like a house. It's nice, but again, you can't fucking go anywhere. And that's fucking hectic. Meanwhile, then it starts airing.

You get to watch, you know, if you're Kelsey, you get to watch Joey, like say all this crazy shit, make out with all these women. He's just like, baby, it was always you. Meanwhile, every episode is just like, I could definitely pick, it's just very fucking hard. And then all those- And that's before you get into like all the bullshit

we say on this show and all the fucking bloggers and their opinions. And like all those- And then I could see myself falling. And that's before you get into like all the bullshit we say on this show and all the fucking bloggers and their opinions and like it's the first time you're on a show and it's just like people, it's a lot. So I wish them all the best and I hope they're doing well and I can't wait to talk to them and see how crazy it's fucking been. Anyways, goodbye. you