The Viall Files - E729 RR - Diddy Lawsuit w/ Elizabeth Wagmeister + Gypsy Rose, VPR, The Valley and SH w/ Tallulah Willis

Episode Date: April 2, 2024

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap Edition! Today, we are joined by Tallulah Willis to chat about all things reality television. First, we talk about Summer House (and Natalie shares a hot take). Then, we dive into Vanderpump Rules and discuss why Lala is activated, Scheana’s 56 Find My Friends, and who will return for Season 12. Next, we are joined by CNN’s Elizabeth Wagmeister to talk about the Sean “Diddy” Combs allegations. We then talk about The Valley and finish with some pop culture headlines.  “I can’t imagine wanting to go on a TV show and say I’m a deadbeat dad.”  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Vessi Footwear - Elevate your spring wardrobe travel with Vessi’s StormBurst shoes. Discover more at https://www.vessi.com/VIALL Get your pair today to get an automatic 15% off your first purchase at checkout and be ready to step out in style, rain or shine. ZOA Energy - Available online and at a store near you. Find out where you can find it at https://www.ZOAEnergy.com and fine retailers like Amazon, 7-Eleven, Costco, Circle K and more. Nutrafol - Find out why over 4,500 healthcare professionals and hair stylists recommend Nutrafol for healthier hair. https://www.Nutrafol.com promo code THEVIALLFILES. SKIMS - Shop SKIMS Bras at SKIMS.com. Now available in 62 sizes (30A - 46H).  If you haven't yet, be sure to let them know we sent you! After you place your order, select "podcast" in the survey and select our show in the dropdown menu that follows. Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @buuski @ewagmeister @ciaracrobinson @alison.vandam @justinkaphillips @leahgsilberstein @dereklanerussell Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 21:40 - Summer House 40:17 - Vanderpump 01:04:03 - Some Chaos 01:14:11 - Elizabeth Wagmeister On The Sean Diddy Combs Allegations 01:44:28 - The Valley 01:57:54 - Pop Topics 02:00:47 - Gypsy and Ryan 02:05:12 - More Pop Topics 02:06:34 - Tallulah And Family 02:15:15 - Outro 

Well, I know a lot of people are asking us about the Gypsy and Ryan breakup. Obviously very sad to see them separate and we had the pleasure of interviewing them both. We will get to that and more at the end of the episode. As well as later this episode, Elizabeth Wagmeister from CNN will be calling in to give us the 411 on all things Sean Diddy Pitty Diddycombs. I don't know what name he's going by these days, but he is dealing with a lot of allegations and accusations. There's so much conjecture and information on the internet. We wanna make sure we get this story right. So we brought in the big guns, the actual professional

and actual journalist, Elizabeth Wagmeister from CNN is going to call in to give us the tea on what's going on in that case later this episode. What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of The Vow Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host Nick. Joined by the household we got Ali and Minto Sota.

Leia is at the desk. We have Sierra. And back on the show, Reality Recap. Crushing Life as a new mom. She's been on Going Deeper, but she is back on Reality Recap. The one and only, my fiance, Natalie Joy! Boo boo boo! Yay!

Yay! Did you miss me? Cause I missed you. Oh, I missed you babe. I feel like our audience missed. Was that to the audience? It was, yeah. Oh, sorry, I should have put that.

Yeah. And our special guest today, I'm so excited to have her on Friend of Mine. And first time on the show? First time on the show. First time on the show, the one and only Tallulah Willis. Whoa! So happy to be here. So happy to have you. How have you been?

The last time I saw you was eight years ago. In person? In person was eight years ago. Was that at The Masked Singer? It was at, oh, or yeah, it was at The Masked Singer. With the, when Rumor was? Rumor was The Lion, and we couldn't post any photos About it because you know, so they had to make you wear these like face masks. Remember that it's been eight years since I've seen you

That's well, she has a baby. You guys have a baby. I want a baby at some point Wait, the audience members have to wear masks No, so if you were like a like behind the scenes season one So it was like they were so scared of anyone taking like drone photos, so if you were a guest of the person on it, you had to wear these like, almost like, squid game? Because it's like, whose friend would show up.

Like masks. Yeah, and at that time, like Rumor and I were, you were just both like single as fuck, like hanging out, being like, she's my friend, and I'm her friend. Those road dogs. Yeah, and so like people saw us out together. So like, you know, they had, you know, obviously Tallulah sister, you know,

they want to give that away. Come on. How did she do? Can she sing? She can sing. Oh my rumor? Oh my God. She's triple threat.

She won Dancing with the Stars, by the way. She won, it's a great one to rewatch the season. She's an amazing singer. Amazing. Also, I mean, your whole family is very talented. The family is talented. We are a creative bunch. Yeah, if you go sing karaoke with the Willis's,

it's really fucking annoying. It's like, oh my god. Have you done that? I have, yes. Oh, okay. No, it is outrageous. Did you sing karaoke? No.

You won't even sing to our daughter, so I'm sure. No, you know what, I sang. I sang. You go, hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Did you guys ever watch Zubli Zoo as a kid? No, no that is. No, you know what, I'm saying, I sang. You go, hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Did you guys ever watch Zubili Zoo as a kid? No, no that is.

Am I right? Am I aging myself? Never heard of. If you're out there and you're listening and if you know what Zubili Zoo is. They're probably dead. The actors? No, the people who watched it.

Welcome back. Sorry. Woo. Woo. Anyways, what were we talking about? Zubili Zu. Your sister. My sister.

Can you sing too? I can't. One time I was like eight years old. Scout. Scout. Scout. My sister. Scout.

Scout. Scout. Scout. Scout. Scout. Scout. Scout. Scout. Scout better than Rumor. Oh my God. I mean, they're just both like,

They're both in their own. They're both stunning. Like I was just like jaw on the floor. So they're both like knockouts singing. I have other talents. Of course. Which I'm okay with. She's an artist.

I'm an artist, but I was 11 years old and I was at a party with my mom and someone mentioned, oh, your girl sing. And she was like, well, rumor's amazing classically, scout sings really beautifully, Tallulah cannot, and then we just kept going, and I was like, oh, I guess I can't, okay. Thank you, mom.

Thank you, it just like totally painted the next 20 years of my life. Tallulah cannot. Cannot, like it just was so flowed. I was like, she just can't, but it's okay. It's okay, she's got other talent. Meanwhile, you're like about to raise your hand to sing your favorite song.

No, nevermind. No, okay. What else is new, anything? What else is new? I am working on a really cool project. I'm writing a book right now, actually. Can you share more? I can share more, a little bit more.

It's gonna be a series of short stories, essays of my life, because I didn't wanna do like a whole start from birth to now memoir, but I have so many crazy stories, just like locked up in here, and I was like, I need to get them out on the page, because they're so, like, you wouldn't believe that these are real.

I don't even believe they're real and I live them. So just like shenanigans, but the real kind of shenanigans. Oh, I mean, your family. Not the bad podcast kind of shenanigans. Not the bad podcast. Oh! Shame. Oh, damn.

Shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame. Is your experience meeting Tom Swork's gonna be in your memoirs? Oh my God. The little golden retriever puppy, that's what I called him. For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, Tallulah was on Mission to Mars.

Stars on Mars. Stars on Mars. Mission to Mars. Close enough. Potato potato. Potato potato. On Fox. Mm-hmm.

It preceded Special Forces on Fox. Right, I didn't know they were doing them at the same time, so I was like, oh, we're totally breaking the glass ceiling right now. We're doing something really cool. Was it cool? You know what? It was, again, a weird situation.

I found myself in the outskirts of Australia, and the day before we went into the main hab or whatever, they were like, you know, there's a cave if you want to go, there's a cave if you want to check it out. And I was like, yeah, it's like an opal mining tiny town in rural Australia. Next thing I know, I think we're going to just be seeing like fossils and stuff. I'm on like a bucket and a rope and a guy who like is a deep Australian man. And he kept saying dynamite.

And I was like, OK. And I pressed one of those like big mechanical buttons and lowered me down into a mind shaft. Yeah. And I have really bad claustrophobia. And I was kind of like, OK, we have a choice right now. We can lose our fucking minds and freak out or just know that there's gonna be an end to this and be present with it. So that was like one of the craziest shenanigans of my life,

being in the tiny cave. And then immediately following that, met the Tom Schwartz, met all my friends on there. Did that moment teach you anything? Did that moment teach me anything? Because I mean, no, seriously, like sometimes fear can be a choice. Honestly, yes, because I felt like I knew that I was going to be safe. All parameters could clearly go, you're going to be safe. It was a choice to either go am I going to miss out on this opportunity,

because I'm like very stressed about the idea of getting stuck or down below. And it was like, I'm so glad I did it. You know what I mean? Well, you describing that moment was very much, that was a big part of Special Forces. I mean, some of it was just the pain and suffering of being tortured, that just sucked. But you guys had it, I think, very different because it was like, just put your like body, mind,

and soul to the test. We were just like eating gummy worms. Sure. That part was like, to put your body, mind, and soul to the test. We were just like eating gummy worms. Like gum up and. That part was different, but there was a lot of the fear stuff and understanding the difference between danger and fear. We knew we were safe, but it was all very scary shit. And being able to turn your brain off

and try to experience the crazy experience, which like that was a very like rewarding moment to learn how to do that. But my question is when you mentally get over it, how and you're physically overexerted, like you're physically at your max and you still have to keep going. That's what I don't, that's a lot.

That my experience in athletics and track and field probably helped, a lot. That, my experience in athletics and track and field probably helped, but yes. Okay, brutal. It was, yeah, running on fumes. Yeah. But Tom Schwartz. Tom Schwartz.

Golden Retriever. Golden Retriever, so I knew I was doing this show, it all came up really fast, they were like, you're gonna leave in two weeks. I get on the first flight from LAX to Sydney. And as I'm landing, they have like, you know, the handlers like taking you to and fro. And I see Tom Schwartz.

And I'm like, literally, this is peak scandal. And I'm following peripherally because I'm like, I don't know exactly what led up to this, but clearly some crazy fucking shits going down like this is is some waves being made. And I was like, oh, he's here. Like that makes, you know, that makes sense. There was a little bit of like a brokenness in him, I would say.

Like I being this like querious empath, being like, I know you're going through something really weird right now. We were at like a holding chamber airport, like drinking a diet Coke and chips. And I was like a holding chamber airport, like drinking diet coke and chips, and I was like, Hey man, how you doing? You okay? You doing all right?

He was like, well, yeah, no. And then he's like running his hands to his hair. He's like, ah, but it's okay. Ah. That is him. That's so good. That's good. She doesn't sing, but she does impressions.

You know what? Boom, there I am. Turn around. But it was overall enjoyable experience with him because he is, he's a very likable person. Very likable person. My hope, we had actually these frequent like kind of more in-depth conversations and my intention always to like empower him in like saying, you know, you don't need to let,

and I know very little at this point, but like, you don't need to let, I know very little at this point, but like, you don't have to let life pummel you. You don't have to let life put you down. Life can't make decisions for you. You have to be the one in the driver's seat. That's how I try to live my life. Because it's really easy to be the victim of your own shit and be like, that's just all happening to me.

And like, I don't know what I'm getting in these situations. And you know, you stay in that loop of like things being really messy and chaotic. And ultimately like you're co-creating like an environment of not getting what you want and also staying in like pure chaos. Damn. Just think about that for a second.

Yeah. Let's just give a moment of silence for Tug of War. Yeah, this is a reality recap. I didn't think we're gonna get some knowledge throughout this. We're gonna get for a second. Let's just give a moment of silence for Tallulah. This is just a reality recap. I didn't think we were gonna get some knowledge rough. We want some going deeper. Damn. I think I'd rather talk about how you like to point out that River's head smells like my B.O.

Oh. Oh. Well. Well. Listen, I love you. Yeah. And I have some things about me, obviously. Listen, it's fucked up because.

Nellie's been open about like sometimes like. No, no. Listen, it's fucked up because. Now you have, now he's been open about like. And then you go through so much, like not even like, let's just put the nine months of pregnancy aside. And then let's put the 24 hours of delivery also aside. And then you get home and you know, you have this rapid decrease of hormones. You are wearing a diaper. You can barely walk.

You have a hole in your body, the size of a dinner plate, that's trying to heal. You need sleep, but it's one thing you can't get. Your milk starts to come in and your boobs are like lumpy and hard and hot. And you're like, I don't know what's happening. Am I dying? And then it's also like, no,

we're gonna throw in a little postpartum BO like let's give it to the girl who has excessive sweat glands. But I love you more. You know like I'm already struggling enough. But every once in a while when Natalie's snuggling with our cute little baby River and then she'll hand her off to me and then I'll go and kiss River's head. River gets tucked up underneath the armpit so the top of her head does a little bit, this is like, why does my baby smell like the o. What happened in that gorgeous new baby smell?

I'm tainting her. I'm like, what, my God. Take her away. That's okay, it's fine. But wait, is there a specific new smell that comes after? Or is it just like any tentative side? But wait, is there a specific new smell that comes after? Or is it just like inattentive? So I didn't realize that this was a thing

until I posted on my story and was like, you know, haven't showered, house is a mess, I'm rocking my baby, I don't care, like this is all I care about right now. And also like I smell so bad. And everyone was DMing me being like, no, the postpartum BO is so real and it's so bad. And like, it's not just you, but like, there's not,

like even right out of the shower, you're like, oh my God, I didn't get it away. So I don't know. No one talks about that. No one talks about that. And like, I, they couldn't just let me skip that part. I'm already struggling enough, you know? If there's one thing about me,

like I'm not getting the compliment of, oh my God, she smells so good. You or our daughter? Both, apparently. Our daughter smells great. Every once in a while, the top of her head is a little stank. But it's okay. But it's okay.

It's okay. Yeah. It's also April Fool's today, and we woke up very excited about some news that was breaking. First, I was driving into the office with reports that Lisa Vanderpump was back on Beverly Hills Housewives. Were you on your phone while you were driving? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You got like a pigeon?

I was on the phone with Allie prepping, and she was like, Lisa Vanderpump's back on Beverly Hills. I'm like, is she? Oh my gosh. She's like, do you wanna talk about it? I'm like, that's major news. I believe he said, that's iconic.

Yeah. That is. That would be. That is, that would be, it would be iconic. And then we caught into the studio and we were going through like our run of show, what are we gonna get into? And then Becca Martinez, formerly of Bachelor Nation announced that her and her partner and father of her two or three children. Three.

Is on season two of couple to throuple and they posted a very you know what was the what was the post well cats out of the bag with monkey over eyes emoji streaming this summer on at peacock hashtag peacock hashtag couple to throuple and then a whole like in it ends with the exciting of the journey very believable post and then a whole like, and it ends with the exciting of the journey. Very believable post. And then I was like, wait, this is, this must be April Fool's. When does April Fool's end?

Is it, do they do it like an hour later? Is it at midnight? Is it tomorrow? When does Becca announce that it's just a joke? You rescind your joke. That's really just a lie. I mean, literally, like you just lied to us actually. Just liars all day.

It's got 2,600 comments. Maybe, like, is there a point where Becca and her partner are like, should we go on? Yeah, they're like, wait a second. I mean, they did a whole video. But do you think? Well, it's not, they just, not them. But there's a whole video.

Oh my god. But here's the thing, what if it was actually like, amazing marketing and they are on it and then they're like double backing, like a switcheroo, do you know what I mean? So people are talking about it. Wait, did- I feel like this could be real.

Did Princess Kate do the graphic designing for this? Is it bad? No, it's pretty good. That's the thing, you know? They clearly hired a graphic designer or something because I think Kate maybe put in the work here, no? I don't know, she didn't do very good on her own posts. Anyways, any other false news, stories?

Should we announce something? I kind of feel like we should. Oh my God, no. I'm not a big April Fool's guy, you know? It's a boy who cried bull. It's a lot of work. You all are sinning. Has a royal family put on any like April Fool's jokes?

Every day is April Fool's for them. Ah, she's just tweeting. I don't think they're jokey people. You don't think so? You don't think they have a sense of humor? No, not at all. Do y'all? I thought them saying Kate was, you know,

taking up graphic design classes was pretty hilarious. I think they genuinely thought that was like, no, we're being for real. This is not funny. They'll believe this. She likes hobbies. Kate's always just like, why could I have a hobby? Like, bye, we'll give her one.

That's terrible. Anyways, Becca Martinez and couple with Ripple would have been. We don't know if it's not confirmed in April Fool's joke. It is not. We don't know for sure. You just can't trust anything posted today. Yeah. Right. Yeah, what a weird day to...

Reveal stuff. Should we... Also that video was done well, but I think she would have posted an actual clip of it, not just her on the beach. What about Peacock's Instagram? Are they posting anything about the new season of couple the throuple?

Look at Becca Martinez making us put in the word You know what honestly April Fool's is a good day to kind of like test run an announcement. That's what I'm saying You know, it's like Nick and I did go look at a house. On Sundays, our little hobby is open houses. We like to go just walk through them. We're doing some light house shopping. Very light.

Nick changes our timeline constantly. So I have no idea what to do. Natalie shops for houses like a pair of fucking jeans. She's like, we should buy this one today. I'm like, okay. There's like a feralness though, when you find a house that you're like, cause I'm the redfin like whore.

Like I'm just on it and I'm just like scrolling. And then I create and like, just inject this like fantasy life for myself where I'm like, when I'm there, everything's fine. 100%. Everything's okay. I'm already like figuring out where I'm gonna like I'm there everything's fine. A hundred percent. Everything's okay. I'm already like figuring out where I'm gonna like put my like dishes and I'm setting it up.

No it's fun and I like doing it but also at the price point in which we are looking we should shop around. You should make sure. Look at the market and make sure we like it and look at our options, look at what we don't like, look at what we do like. Also in person is so much and so important versus the photos.

Oh yeah. Like to really get a, even just like energy vibe of the area and like. The street that it's on, yeah. And we're not the most exciting couple. Like we have each other, our baby river. And like, so looking at houses is kind of a fun little hobby to do on the weekends.

I love it. Anyway, so we go to this house and there's like really nobody there. It seems like kind of empty. There's obviously the one real estate agent who is a man. I feel like I know you're going with this, but I want you to set it up a little bit. Most of the houses that we are looking at have, you know,

it's a thing in LA where they have these like little, like they have an extra room and they turn it into like a movie theater room. That's all you wanted to add. Yes, there are movie theater rooms. Okay. And everyone doesn't, is not playing. That's all you wanted to add. Yes, there are movie theater rooms. Okay. And everyone doesn't, is not playing. He's trying to add more.

And they have these crazy couches in them that you sit in. I have a good point to this, I swear. And then I found $5. Woo! No, but they're never playing a movie in the movie theater. No, they never are playing a movie in the movie theater. No. No, they never are playing a movie. They never are.

But we go into this one, and there's the real estate agent who is a man. It is important to state that he is a man and that there's no one else really in the house. No. I walk into the movie theater room, and my first thought as a man who likes electronics is like, you know what, finally,

they're showcasing the movie theater room. Oh my God. It's the movie is playing. It's the movies, a movie is playing. And he's watching 50 Shades of Grey. No. Oh my God. I'm like, first of all, gross. Second of all, it's fucking Easter. Like, this is God's day and you're just like in here

like jacking off alone. Like what's going on? The sun's still out. It's a soft, it's a soft, it's a soft porn. I don't think soft. It's mid porn. Mid level porn. And we walk in on like a shower scene

and I was like, oh my God. Like, Jesus. We were with child. Look out of here. Yeah, it was a little alarming. Do you think that he like scrolled through and was like, this one seems good for today? Or he literally went in going, it's 50 shades day today.

I honestly think he was like there, like it was a slow open house, no one's really coming. So he's like, I'm just gonna sit here and watch a movie. Maybe he needs to come. Maybe he needs to come. So he's like, I'm just gonna put on. All those guys who got caught jerking off

during the pandemic over Zooms when they thought their screen was on lock. It was probably one of those. You didn't hear about all that? No. There was like a fucking CNN reporter guy who was on like a, you didn't, like some journalist, like well-respected journalist was on like a fucking CNN reporter guy who was on like a, you didn't, like some journalist,

like well-respected journalist was on like a work Zoom. And- He couldn't wait? Yeah, what? And you see him pull out like lotion and a couple tissues and start jerking off. Meanwhile, he thought his screen was like on like fucking off and yeah, he got fucking like mini canceled for it or?

But I think that was another pandemic going on during the pandemic of a bunch of men being like, well, I'm at home, like I'm on Zoom. Like this work and work meeting is boring as fuck. Like I've participated in my five minutes. I'm just gonna mute my screen and mute my and I'm gonna open up a window and a lot of guys did not follow

through and check their work. You know, they didn't dot their I's and cross their T's so to speak. But yeah, it was an epidemic. I think a lot of them got reprimanded. Foul. Absolutely. Absolutely foul. So anyway. Speaking of foul, I think Summerhouse and I'm going to have a really hot take here And I'm kind of nervous to say it. Don't be nervous The safe space here. Yeah, I mean not out there Out there. It is very scary. You definitely might get flamed in the comments, but I in my head Kyle and Jack's Taylor are the same

and Jax Taylor are the same. Hot take. Tell us why. Really? I was gonna have a different take about Kyle, which could not be more opposite. Oh my God. I think they're both just like immature. They're like 40 year old men

who never really learned to like grow up. Hard to argue. And just be like normal human beings. I don't think either of them can really communicate. They both like to just stir up unnecessary drama. Strong start, yeah, hard to argue. I don't know, like, Kyle's cheating history and if he's that much of a scum like Jax Taylor is.

Well, that was, yeah, I wanna know. What is Kyle's... I think there was one... Kyle had two incidences on the show. He cheated on his wife. Okay, well, one was in the early stages of them dating. So I don't know how intense... Was it a make... Was it a short sheet?

Or was it a Tom Sandoval cheat? It was a... It was a short sheet. Okay. It was more of a, if I did do that kind of situation. And then the second time Lindsay stirred up drama, saying that a friend of hers, uh, saw Kyle making out with somebody, it was proven to be false,

but Kyle himself couldn't defend his actions. So it was, again, if I did do that, and she's like, the difference between you and I is I don't get blacked out to where I put myself in situations that I have to defend myself. So I did not know Kyle had cheated, because I was thinking almost the same but opposite as

Natalie is is that like Kyle is immature a potster kind of he's he's hot like like Jacks Taylor on the valley valley. He's clearly like Producing like he's hustling. He's trying he's trying to make TV Again, not knowing about that past performance. I was just like, Kyle's just out there hustling, but he ultimately hasn't really done anything deplorable, unlike Jax Taylor. Again, I don't think I could be too hard on Jax Taylor. For the most part, all the people we talk about on these reality TV shows,

our general premise when we talk about them is, like they're characters on a TV show, yeah, this is real life, but it's edited, and honestly, when it comes to Bravo, I'm as fascinated about wondering, is this real, or is real life, but it's edited, and honestly when it comes to Bravo, I'm as fascinated about wondering, is this real, or are we, how performative, how for the TV show is this, yada, yada, yada.

We're not really, even Sheena, we're not necessarily question your character, because I don't really know. But Jack Stahler, he's a piece of shit. He's a horrible human. He's had a record of it, but Jax Taylor, he's a piece of shit. He's a horrible human, he's had a record of decades of just terrible, terrible behavior, where I don't think I could say anything

about Jax on this show and feel bad. And honestly, the difference, and I was gonna say this later when we're talking about Vanderpump, but I feel differently about Tom Sandoval. I have pity and empathy for Tom Sandoval, sometimes. I have none for Jax Taylor. Because I think Jax Taylor, like, he doesn't care about looking good or bad.

He doesn't even know the difference. He has no, like, desire to be the good guy. I think Tom Sandoval does, and I pity him for that. I think Tom Sandoval wants to be thought of as a good person, and he has a desire to be one. And he's like, I'll pick up at the airport, I'll do anything for my friends, you know? Like, he really wants to be the good guy.

And he, I don't think he comprehends why he's not. And I actually pity him for that. Where Jack's, he doesn't care. There's no right or wrong. I'm not letting Tom Sandoval off the hook for his behavior, but I do pity someone who like deep down wishes he was the hero and he can't figure out why he's not. Where Jax Taylor is, he's a bad person.

I mean, would you say it's almost like the difference between like intentionally moving through life with malice and ill intent and then like a Tom Sandoval where you're like, I don't, I'm compulsively making bad decisions. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. We're, to Tom Sandoval, he is self-suffice,

self-centered, eccentric, refuses to grow up, and kind of like you were talking about earlier is like, and when it doesn't go right for him, he's just the victim and people understand him and he's never really willing to look in the mirror and be like, why is life going this direction for me? But I think he has the desire to be a good guy. Well, my question though too is that I'm like,

I see Jack's Tom Sandoval and Tom Schwartz as like the three musketeers. Especially in the early stages, the three of them did all of their nefarious acts together, went down, did the whole like oath, you'll never speak this to anybody. And then once their relationship started getting rocky, we're just taking turns throwing each other under the bus. So I'm also kind of like,

yes, maybe the intent may be different, but I'm like, you're also aiding and abetting your friends, having affairs, cheating on their girlfriends, covering for each other. So like, is the intent, like does the intention really matter when I'm like, you're okay with the behavior, you enable the behavior and also partake in the behavior? Like what makes him so much better than Jax?

I don't know, I'm not saying he's better. I just, I sometimes pity him. Yeah. And again, I don't find if, I'm not saying he's better. I just, I sometimes pity him. Yeah. And again, I don't find pity to be like, I don't want anyone pitying me. If I were, you know, if I find out that people out there be like, you know, I really just feel sorry for Nick.

Like, that sucks. I'd rather you just hate me. Yeah. It's such a like raw mean, you know what I mean? It's not like, oh, fuck them. Like they're like a piece of shit. You're like, no, I just feel really sad for their life. But sometimes I talk to them,

like the Thomas Hannibal I've gotten to know, it's like there's utter confusion in between the years of why life's going this direction for him. And I do- That's sad, that is a sad thing. Pity him, yeah. Back to Carl. Do you pity Carl or Lindsay?

No, oh, neither. Because I feel like Paige and Amanda kind of started to pity, and I don't think necessarily this bad way, but started to feel sorry for Lindsay. But why was Paige feeling sorry for Lindsay? I didn't really understand why. Paige said it was like,

I can't believe I'm saying this because I fucking hate her. I was just saying she's on her side. And I'm also like, Paige wasn't there for like the previous weekend as well. So I don't think she knows the half of it, but I think it's the seeing the men rallying around Carl and being like, Lindsay's this and Carl is so much, you know, better or whatever it is.

I think for her, she was like, I don't like seeing that, which I completely understand. But I just don't think she knows the full extent as to like what was occurring in the previous weekends because she's in her own bed. Yeah, and Lindsay also opened up to Paige and Amanda about how they don't really have sex that often. And so Paige said, you're getting married in three months

and you don't have sex. So that could also be, do you think they're trying to be born again virgins? Well, there was that part where like, um, someone pointed out the, the jabs. Who was talking and Paige is like, I understand. And, and it was Amanda and Paige and Craig, they were all in the bed. Oh, Craig. Yeah. She was like, she kind of like shoot some low blows.

Yeah. I understand that. I mean, listen, I'm just here to say, as a guy, all men really need is a cheerleader in life. That's all they need. We're not all quite the golden retrievers that Tom Schwartz is, but at the end of the day, all a guy needs is an attaboy, a pat on the back,

and I believe in you. And I get it, men often give their women partners a lot of reasons to vent and be frustrated, and I get it, they all need to step up. But when you get to that point in your relationship where all you are to your woman partner is like, I can't believe I dated this person, you're such a loser, you're kind of a piece of shit, and the eye rolls,

and the just like, your relationship's over. When you're having conversations with, you're kind of a piece of shit, and the eye rolls, and the just like, your relationship's over. When you're having conversations with other people trying to validate your feelings because you can't say it to your partner, it's over. Your relationship's over. It's done. It's done. Like when you're just, like you're just fucking nitpicking

and you are low blowing them, and you are saying things just to get under their skin and make them feel worse about who they are and not better, pack up your bags, you might as well quit now. And I've been in those relationships, they fucking suck. And when you find someone who's just like, you know what, I believe in you. Every once in a while.

Two thumbs up. Two thumbs up, yeah, you know what, you're kind of annoying and gross, whatever, but like. I see you. You're good. It's also the tit for tat for me as well, like where she was like, well, if you're gonna comment on my drinking,

I'm gonna comment on your weed usage. And it's just kind of like, it shouldn't be like, let's fight fire with fire right before we're getting married. It should be- No one's really listening to one another. No, you're just attacking each other and like keeping tallies of more things to be like,

you're in the wrong, you're in the wrong, where it's like, you should be communicating and working through this or negotiating with each other what you can and can't handle. And just another note out there, again, there's a lot of reasons why a couple in a relationship might not be having the most sex they've ever had.

We get a lot of calls and ask Nick, be like, oh, me and my partner are not having as much sex or whatever. And sometimes it can slow down and that's normal. But again, nothing will make a guy stop on and have sex with you more than you criticizing him. It's not how you look, it's not anything you're doing. You look great, he finds you just as sexy,

but you fucking are mean. You cut him down, you criticize him, you roll your eyes at him. Everything he does is not good enough, you huff and puff. And I'm telling you, if you are dating that guy, You look your eyes at him. Everything he does is not good enough. You huff and puff. And I'm telling you, if you are dating that guy, he will look at you like ugh. He will never want to touch you again.

That's why. That's why. If you're in a relationship and your guys stop having sex with you, think about how you actually talk to him in freedom. When was the last time you made him feel good about himself? And again, this is not to say that your partner isn't a hero, it doesn't have work to do

and you don't have reasons to be upset with him, that's not what I'm saying, I'm just saying, if that's how you talk to your guy partner and you guys stop having sex, that's fucking why. But wouldn't, I would also say the other side of it, which is if a guy is really cutting you down and picking you apart and being really just demeaning. Oh, for sure.

It goes both ways. It's the river runs dry. Do you know what I mean? Like it's. Yup. Dry. Yes. No, no, it clearly goes both ways,

but I just don't think we recognize enough the other side. I think we're always fine. You know, men are pieces of shit, we get it. But. Well, they're jacking off during Zoom. They are. No women got fired during this process. Listen, guys are creepy, weird, and gross. I fucking get it.

But when you remind them of that every fucking day, and you forget to point out every once in a while that they're not terrible, disgusting monsters, it can go a long way. Just walking around my kitchen being like, Connor, ew. Ew. Thanks for the way. Just walking around my kitchen being like, Connor, ew. Ew. Thanks for the good things.

Just saying, you know, guys will be like, you know what, I'm good. Maybe not today. Do you think the focus is so on Lindsay and Carl that people don't talk about Amanda and Kyle fighting all the time? I agree with that, 100%. I also do think that like previous seasons,

we've just watched so much of Amanda and Kyle that like ups and downs, that they're not really like the issue, if that makes sense. I feel like they've just been the topic of season so many times, but this time it's Lindsay. It's like they're fighting now, will lead to their divorce in five years,

but like those two see Carl and Lindsay miserable. Like when Carl was talking to Lindsay, but those two see Carl and Lindsay miserable. When Carl was talking to Lindsay, he was basically saying, you guys are fucking terrible together. Kyle was saying that, yeah, to Lindsay. Did I say Carl? You said Carl?

Sorry. Kyle was talking to Lindsay and was like, he seemed like trying to be nice to Lindsay, be like, yeah, you guys are just fucking unhappy and miserable. He was trying to tell Lindsay to Lindsay, be like, yeah, you guys are just fucking unhappy and miserable. He was trying to tell Lindsay that Carl hates you. While trying to convince Lindsay that they're both miserable. Yeah, I was like, also there's nothing worse

than getting this type of information from the drunkest person in the room. I was just watching Kyle and I was like, oh, you're not laying down the points the way as articulately as you think you are. Because you're always getting feedback from someone with a mullet. And I sported a mullet for a long time,

so I understand that sometimes- His mullet is definitely a little bit more aggressive than yours ever was. It is, and he just looks like he came from a trailer. Am I allowed to say that? Has trailer trash been canceled? Are we not allowed to? No, it just came out with such volition. Does Kyle not look like he just, like...

I think maybe in his, like, Elvis suit or whatever that was, it definitely came a little... Like Amanda said, it looked like they hired him for that party. And then Craig on the other side, like, is, like, looks so hot. He's like, he has, like, mascara, like, grease on his face. Yeah. Kyle looks like he on his face.

Kyle looks like he got dropped off. Can I check your oil? Yes, please, Craig. That is, I will say, you know how we always talk about, well, I don't know if we always talk about it, but like celebrity couples that you would wanna be in, what's your sex? Couple swap.

Yeah, the third width. A third width, yeah. Is this your moment to say you wanna have sex with Craig? I think Craig and Paige are such a hot couple and I feel like they have such sexual chemistry. I don't know, maybe not be in it, but maybe just watch it. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Is that a hot take? Not for me. Really? Not for me. Interesting. I love them. Who would be a... I don't know. Like J.Lo and Ben Affleck? I'd rather watch them than Paige and Craig.

Really? Yeah. Okay. Did you guys think that Amanda was justified for getting mad at Kyle for bringing up the whole Jesse Solomon cheat or flirting with Paige? I think I've learned this in relationships is that y'all really hate it when we embarrass you.

Oh yeah, fair. Mm-hmm. Do you like it when we embarrass you? I don't think men care. The only way Nellie could embarrass me is flirting with another guy in front of me. That's it. I take back what I said about Craig and Paige.

I retract my statement. That's not what I'm talking about. No, no, no. We can acknowledge that they're all attractive. Like, that's another thing about Nellie that we don't care about. We recognize that they're all good looking. Well, she's allowed to say other guys are attractive. I'm not allowed to point out other women.

Obviously. It's fine. But y'all hate it when we embarrass you. Guys are not as easily embarrassed. I don't know what Nellie could do that wouldn't embarrass me. What if I tried to pick a fight with you in public or around your family, you don't think you'd be like, really, you don't, I mean not that? That would be annoyed, for sure.

Embarrassed, I don't know. I'd be like, you look terrible right now. If you tried to pick a fight with me. I don't know. That came from somewhere deep within. There was eye contact. And your outfit sucks. And your wing eyeliner is lopsided.

But you know what I'm saying. Kyle saying that truly embarrassed her. That's the feeling she felt. She felt embarrassed for herself. Listen, Kyle, should he have not have said it? Of course not. Was it a bit out of pocket? Obviously.

I don't think it's so much about what it was. He's not wrong though. It's the reaction is that if Craig was a super testosterone filled, you did what? You know what I mean? Now everybody's fighting this weekend and you just get to sit back and kick back

and be like, well, I started that. You know what I mean? That to me would be embarrassing. It's nice that Craig didn't have that reaction. Craig's very secure with who he is. A thousand percent. He is not in any way threatened by any of the guy there. Oh, he handled it so well.

He was like, yeah, Paige is hot. I expect that. That is a guy who is definitely not threatened by what's his name. Jesse. Jesse Solomon, which fair. Yeah, how could you be? Fair.

Fair. But yeah, what's Kyle's? Amanda. Amanda. Yeah, Amanda was just embarrassed. And what annoyed me about Kyle, But yeah, what's Kyle's? Amanda? Amanda. Yeah, Amanda was just embarrassed. And what annoyed me about Kyle, and when he says that, when you have to keep saying,

it was a joke, I meant it to be funny. Like, sure, you might've meant it to be funny. Clearly it was not. You don't keep to keep saying it was a joke when you say something not funny, that you meant to be funny. He's like, if I double down 10 times over, eventually everyone will agree with me. It was a joke. Don't you get it?

Ha, ha, ha. Like, no, no, no. Nevertheless, he wasn't wrong for pointing out the fact that Jesse is a pig. And I don't think Kyle needs to apologize to Jesse. Jesse was hitting on Paige. Craig being secure with himself and in his relationship doesn't make what Jesse did okay. Right, I agree with that too. I wish Bravo wouldn't have blurred out

the married woman's face who was trying to go home with Jesse, sorry. She definitely did not sign that release. I was gonna say she knew, she was like absolutely not. Absolutely not. Yeah. And then her texting him later being like, if my friends can't come, I'll definitely come over. I want to fuck you.

What? And him like reading that out loud, sick. No, cause he's so conflicted too. He's just like, I'm just trying to be in a relationship, but these things keep happening to me. Jessie is the epitome of tall privilege because let's just be honest, his face is like, whatever. He's like Austin, it's him and Austin,

or just like tall overlooks all terrible qualities. Jesse is the epitome of tall privilege, because let's just be honest, his face is like whatever. He's like Austin, it's him and Austin, or just like tall overlooks all terrible qualities. Yeah, like their height has gotten them plenty of sex, and they've gotten them with plenty of sex where like, you know, drunk girls just see tall. And they see hot enough. I mean, Jesse's woken up a lot of times

with women looking at him and going, oh. And then he's- Can you stand up? Get out of bed and stand up real quick. Fuck, he got me again. All right, get back in. But he doesn't care, you know, and he clearly is sleeping with women

and married women and women in relationships to feel good about his small, whatever you want, small identity, small confidence, small, you know, who knows? Something small is going on with Jess. So I have no sympathy for a guy who like his whole, that's all I remember from this season is like, I'm the guy who likes to fuck girls in relationships. I'm cool.

It's like, all right, how old are you? I seen you like in his thirties. Yeah, they all are. Yeah, they all are. Yeah. They all are. What about Paige saying that she doesn't want Craig to contribute to her rent? Good for her, bravo.

I agree with that wholeheartedly. Yeah, turn on, agreed. Green flag. What do you think about Schwartz saying that him and Sheena made out? Segway. Sorry, what do you think? It was just too casual.

Who do we believe? Who do we believe? Obviously Schwartz. 100%. Yeah. 100%. Schwartz is like the love. The golden retriever, I'm telling you, yes.

He's like, I just, we just didn't know. Well, if you watch the after show, you learn that the only reason Schwartz even remembered this makeout from 12 years ago is because it sounds like allegedly Sheena at some like hangout was like, remember the time when we made out? Right.

And then all of a sudden, like in on the after show, you watch Sheena have to actually say, because before I watched the after show, I'm like, is Sheena low key accusing sports of sexual assault? Essentially. Because like she is. So he's like, she's saying that-

He cornered her. He cornered her. Stuck into a dark hallway in Vegas. Where does that exist? And without her consent, stuck his tongue down her throat. Yeah, and that she pushed him away. And she pushed him away. That's some big words.

Those are some big words. And also if I can just take a little moment on the VPR timeline is that season one. There's a story in here. Everybody disliked her, right? Season two is I'd rather be gang banged than be in a car with these women. You didn't like Katie either.

So that's why it's like, it's hard for me to believe with seeing how she reacts to things that like, she wasn't like, yes, got one on Katie too. At first, Sheena almost got me when Sheena was telling the story now and I are watching them and I literally turned it down and go, babe, what do you think? I mean, okay, maybe.

And then all I could think about is wait, if someone tried to make out with either of us and one of us didn't tell the other person, I'd be fucking pissed. That's all you need to know. The fact she said it's right before she gets engaged to Shay, so she's been with him for years at this point that I'm like, you didn't think it was necessary to tell your soon-to-be husband?

Who like has no loyalty to Katie. It's not like he would have gone to Katie and been like, oh my gosh, can you believe my fiance made out? Like no, he would shh. Like she should have just gone to him and been like, oh my God, you will never believe what fucking happened in Vegas, Tom Schwartz. The man was on the show for like four years and said all of 10 words on camera.

He's like, hey, your boyfriend like cornered me and like threw me up against the wall, made me really uncomfortable, stuck his tongue down my throat. I had to push him off of me. She could have told that story, she didn't. But it's also like her putting the sunscreen on Jax's back and then at the reunion being like,

I knew all the girls would be mad, but she played victim during the period of time. So that's where I'm like going back to it. I'm like, I think you enjoyed the fact that Schwartz did that, but you also knew it was gonna mess up your relationship. So therefore didn't say a word. But she has to clarify on the- On the after show, she's like,

I just want to point out that, like, he did not for... It was not... Did she even say it wasn't, like, sexual assault? Yeah, she didn't say... She said, he didn't force me or anything, but... She's like, but he didn't ask for consent. Yeah. It's like, I don't know.

I don't believe you. I believe, yeah, I believe Schwartz. Like, how shitty. You guys, you're making out with Ariana all over a casino, like, floor that I'm just like, why wouldn't you just make out with Schwartz. Like how shitty. You're making out with Ariana all over a casino like floor that I'm just like why wouldn't you just make out with Schwartz? And then you have Brock going to Schwartz. Telling Schwartz, hey your ex-wife hooked up with your friend. Now listen that is obviously messy by our friend Katie to hook up with Tom Schwartz's friend. But as Katie reminded us, she, when they got divorced,

begged, pleaded with Schwartz to say, hey, we have friends, we have mutual friends, can we fuck whoever you want, do your thing, get that loose dick wet, whatever you want, Schwartz. You know? I'm just trying to say that Katie was- A loose dick is a terrible image of you. Keep it out of the friend. Keep it out of the friend.

Katie was trying to be as mature as possible. Katie, again, multiple times I want to point out because I think we quickly forget that Katie asking Swartz for a divorce was not because she didn't love him anymore or didn't want to make it work, but she gave up. She gave up because Swartz never ever gave her the love and affection that she backed for for years.

And finally she left a man that she didn't want to leave and still had similar friends and said, please don't fuck any of my friends or people I know. And Swartz, as we now know, you know, didn't. Even Joe, like, you know, Katie's not friends with her, but she knows her. Like, she just knows people. Like, she, well, Katie doesn't't wanna hear is like, hey, you know. Of course. Gee, fuck. Tom didn't oblige. So is it a bit of retaliation? Maybe, I don't know.

But like Brock goes to Schwartz and they're like, hey man, it was your mate Max. And Brock is deeply offended that Schwartz isn't. Meanwhile, Sheena won't shut up about having sex with John Mayer. Yeah. She is like, ever since this has come out, the internet is just flocking to old posts of Sheena.

She's like, she was posting Us Weekly articles about this in her like- Oh my God. On her social media. She is just going on and on and on about, meanwhile, John Mayer, I'm assuming through Andy Cohen because like John and Andy are like best friends. Like there's these reports being like John and like, do I believe Sheena that her and John had a past?

Sure. But the fact that John's out there being like, no, it never happened. Just being like, you're forcing John Mare to just deny ever knowing you. Do you think, I don't know if, I mean, it would make sense with Watch What Happens Live history to have Sheena on, and do you think Andy would ask,

like, since it is his best friend? I think the only reason he won't is because John's like, please don't do it. And like, they're that close of friends that I think that friendship would trump Andy doing his job. He's probably like, just please let this die. Please let this die, because Sheena just won't shut up about it.

Meanwhile, Brock doesn't seem to care. I mean, yeah, I guess support your wife's past, but like, why do you care if Warts doesn't care? It's his ex-wife. They're not even together anymore. I was like, why don't you care that your wife if Schwarz doesn't care. It's his ex-wife. They're not even together anymore. I was like, why don't you care that your wife has 57 people's locations, half of which she's dated.

That's weird. Yeah. That's weird. That's like collecting. That's like a serial collector collecting trophies. Do you share locations with anyone? I share with my whole family and boyfriend. I love it.

But I do it in a cute way where if someone's coming over. These are people I want to know where I am. I wanna know where I am. So I'll be like, they're like, I'm on my way and I'll track my man and I'll be like, okay, he's at the door and I'll be at the door when he comes in. And I'll do a little cute thing.

A little safety. A little safety. A little safety. Right. But the idea of, the idea that my entertainment or joy would derive from like putting together and like seeking like other people's comings and goings, that's weird.

Especially like other men. Yeah, it's definitely worth it. She's like watching it like at home. Well, that's how she found out about Max. And that's where I was like, we don't think that that's a giant red flag that she not only like saw it, but then decided to check it multiple times.

Multiple times. That's none of your business. Yes, she checked it that night, and then she checked it again the next morning. Over what, over 10, it's like not your friends or family. Some of us have large families, but Sheena is going to party, but let's find each other's locations. Let me go, let's do that.

Instead of exchanging numbers, it's like, let's exchange locations. Sure, like I guess. Or like imagine like getting a text that's like, hey, I see that you're around the block, you should come here. And it's like, no, like, that you're around the block, you should come here. And it's like, no, that creeps me out.

No, I hate when even my sister does that, when she's like, oh, you're at mom's? Yeah, yeah. It's also just weird that she cares about people she doesn't talk to anymore. She cares about what they would think if they got a notification saying she stopped sharing locations with them.

It doesn't make any sense. How, that's so appropriate. Oh, no one, so and so like, you know, every once in a while you're like, hey, share your GPS for an hour. We're at a festival, come and find us here. We're at this restaurant, whatever. But like, no, I've never once,

when someone's like, stopped sharing their GPS, was I offended. Because they didn't want me knowing exactly where they were. They also wouldn't, like I have recently stopped sharing locations with a few people and we don't talk anymore and the only way they would see that is if they went back to our text, like went to go and text me, which they wouldn't do because we don't talk.

You don't get a notification. You don't get like, yeah. So she's checking then to see maybe that's weird. She's hyper vigilant about it. But don't you feel like in a general sense, if you're that level of like sitting there and using your free, because she has what? Like a three-year-old and you are parents,

like you kids take up 99% of your time. So you have that 1% hour where you're chilling. You're using that time to look at other people's locations. Like you have to go, what is not happening in your own life? Like what are you feeling a lack of that you need to? You're like that bored. Exactly.

She's like, I can't fuck John Mayer anymore. She can't fuck John Mayer. But he's just down the street. Immediately John's checking his phone. Does she still follow my location? Holy shit. Oh my God. I'm curious how many people today

are sharing their GPS with Sheena because after that episode, everyone was like, fuck this. Like, how many followers does she have now? Like I have nine people on mine. I think two people on mine. I think two people, I see their location, but like I said, I had stopped sharing with them.

I have a question about that too though. So if you stop sharing your location, but they don't, then you can still see where they are, but they have to do it. You can't be like, I don't wanna see you anymore. Correct, they have to do it. I mean, she even called out her ex-boyfriend, Robbie from Bachelor, and I was like,

and I don't even think they actually fully dated. I think they hooked up for the show, but it's like, she's like, I still follow him, and I'm like, that's weird. That's weird. Wait, she notated Robbie from the Bachelor? Uh-huh. Robbie Hayes?

Yeah, the- Really? Yeah. Wait, is that the one who had an OnlyFans? No, that's Chad Johnson. Okay, I was like, I can't confirm that, but yeah. I know Chad was on OnlyFans. The one with the guitar. Maybe Robbie might've been on OnlyFans. It's Chad Johnson. Okay, I was like, I can't confirm that, but yeah. Well, I know Chad was on OnlyFans. Maybe Robbie might have been on OnlyFans. It's entirely possible.

You'll see him in upcoming seasons as y'all venture into Vanderpump seasons. Really? Yeah, you will. They do a bachelor style date. Wow. Uh-huh. I didn't know they dated.

I thought they just like. I feel like it was for the show. Okay. Because then she starts talking to his roommate that she was trying to set up with Brittany, Adam. And Adam and Rob, you went to college together. Anywho, I know too much. It's great.

Looking at you, like, you got the answers, girl. You know what it is. And this is before Brock. This is, yeah, way before Brock. This is Adam before Rob. How is Brock been in the picture? Brock just came in season nine or season 10. Season nine or season 10.

Oh, so not that long. Yeah, no season nine because season 10 was Lala's apology tour for him. So yeah, season nine. Okay, wow. Yeah. Huh. Yeah, it was a chat down.

It was a chat down. Okay, what do we think of Lala showing up to Tom Swartz's, what is it? Screaming therapy, what was that? Very Tom Swartz. Very Tom, no, Tom Sandiball. No, Tom Sandiball. Sandiball, sorry, sorry, sorry. The screams. Yeah, that was that? Very Tom Schwartz. Very Tom, no, Tom Sandoval. No, Tom Sandoval. Sandoval, sorry, sorry, sorry.

Woof, woof, woof, woof. The screams. Yeah, that was a little alarming. I had to fast forward. Do you think? It made me uncomfortable. Do you think all the kicking, crying, screaming that Sheena and Lala are doing online,

throwing shade to Katie and Ariana, is really all about them being mad that they have to film these scenes with Tom Sandoval. Because no one else will. Because it seems very unbelievable that Lala out of nowhere would be like, you know what, I'm gonna mend this fence and I'm gonna show up to my friend Ariana's house

when she's not there to support Tom Sandoval, who she refuses to talk to. Lala's confused me a lot this season, but especially this episode, because even with the Tom Sandoval thing, and then when you see her talking to Ariana, she kind of like casually breezes by it, like it was just like on a whim

that she made this decision. But it was also Tom Schwartz telling her at the juice bar about making out in Vegas, and then instead of going to Sheena and giving Sheena your best friend who you're raising a kid with or your kids with the benefit of the doubt or like allowing her to have her side, she says, I'm gonna go straight to Katie,

stir up some stuff, even though Katie and I were literally just screaming at each other last episode. And to me, like I stopped it and took looked at my boyfriend and was like, I would never do that to my best friend. Like I would never go to somebody else being like, don't wanna give you time to figure out what you're gonna say. So that was kind of brutal to me where I'm like,

I just feel like Lala's kind of moving all over the place and I don't understand it at all. Like there's no loyalty to me. I mean, again, I just, Ariana's asking her friends to pick a side and that's fine. Sometimes you do that as adults. She doesn't have to take that side. She can disagree with Ariana taking it,

but acting like Ariana is doing something wrong, and I'll say this every week, just because she doesn't wanna fuck with her ex anymore, or anyone who does, doesn't make her the bad guy. You don't have to forgive people. You can just move on. I think it would be a little different if they were hanging out while not filming.

Like, I think there's a little bit of a past because they are making a TV show and no one else will film with Tom Sandoval. Yeah. And so I do think Lala is in this stage of her life where she's like, I'm not carrying, like her saying like, this isn't my fight. Like what you, like I don't, you know,

so like I forgive you for what you've done and I'm not in a place to judge you. And like, I like, let's move on. Well, I was gonna say there's a difference between saying that and then showing up to Sandoval's house because she could say, Tom, between you and I, like we never been that close. Where would she have said that?

At that fucking foursome. At the mocktails the night before. Yeah, lunch. She did say it and then she showed up close. But look. Where would she have said that? At that fucking foursome. At the mocktails the night before. Yeah, lunch. She did say it and then she showed up anyway. But that's what I'm saying. She could have said, listen, I don't have a problem with you.

We all make mistakes. I've made mistakes. You made a mistake. Just between you and I, I hold no ill will. Obviously, you know I'm friends with your ex. She feels a certain way about you. So like, just so you know, like me avoiding you isn't personal.

I'm obviously gonna support my friend. You know what I'm saying? She could- So it only bothers you that she went to his house to say that conversation and not- I'm not bothered. I don't give a shit. But I'm just saying we've all moved on from friends before.

And we've had other friends that we had to go to those friends and say, I don't fuck with that person anymore. You still might, but I don't. So just so you know, you fucking with them affects me. I feel a certain way about it. I'm not trying to tell you to, like, I'm not telling you what to do, but I'm just saying there's, I have various reasons

of why I don't wanna fuck with this person for my mental health or whatever. And the fact that you do, like, triggers me. And again, I don't wanna tell you what to do, but I'm just letting you know I feel a certain way about it and I can't help how I feel, you know? And if your friend said, yeah, I'm gonna fuck with him anyways,

then again, you would just feel a certain way. And that's all I'm saying is it's like. And we're also not talking about just like, oh, like you talk shit behind my back. We're talking like you cheated with a friend from on a long-term partner that like for me, if one of my friends got cheated on, I don't think I need to find a place in my heart

to be like, well, you made a mistake, but like, just know I'm not mad at you. I just think there's a difference between not holding a grudge against Sandoval and deciding to build a new found relationship with Sandoval to the point where then you start fighting with your very friend about how quickly or unquickly they are forgiving their ex.

Like, that doesn't track for me. Does that make sense? Yeah, sure. It's almost like there's a feeling of like, can you be neutral with me? Can we be in the same space and it not be activated? Or are you really actually trying to like make new connections, friendship, jokes, together,

like let's hang out outside of this space? I totally hear what you're saying. Yeah, like Lala just, again, I wonder if she's just mad that she has to hang out with Tom and that's why she's taking it out on Ariadna and Katie. Well, everyone's saying that, like the reason why they bought the houses in the Valley is because they're trying to jump ship.

What do you mean? Like Lala and Sheena both bought houses in Sherman Oaks, so they're thinking that they're trying to jump ship. What do you mean? Like, Lala and Sheena both bought houses in like Sherman Oaks, so they're thinking that they're trying to jump over to add on to the cast of The Valley versus staying on Vanderpump. I don't think Vanderpump's going anywhere. I mean, the ratings are like, I know we have been talking about,

oh, is this the last season? But like, the ratings are doing very well. It has been an entertaining season. They win in The Reunion. Also like Sheena recently was just like the star of the reunion was Lala. But like I think Katie, I think Sheena went into the season thinking that like

Ariana was gonna be the villain and like so far Sheena's the villain. So like if you're Lala, how do you feel about Sheena being like you know who the star of the reunion is? You know who's gonna of the reunion is? You know who's gonna look great? Lala.

I would feel a little uncomfy if I was Lala, knowing that Sheena thinks I'm the star. Because Sheena's been a little bit off. I just don't know where Vanderpump goes from here. Like, sure this is a great season, we're figuring it out, but like next season, what happens? Well, Lala is gonna be with Child, her second with a sperm donor.

That's interesting. Sheena and Brock will be getting divorced probably. That's possible. I wanna see Katie find love. And I wanna see Tom Sandoval and Tom Schwartz date a couple models that will obviously piss off. I want an age gap with... Do you know what's happening, right?

Yeah, I know. But I want to see that relationship. I want to see Tom's new girlfriend, who's a bit younger than him, who's a model, who's clearly going to piss off all of the castmates. I want to see that relationship unfold. Like, there's storylines to be had. Yeah, I mean, it looks like Ariana would be leaving the show

because she's doing Love Island. Yeah, she's doing Love Island. Scheduling, filming scheduling. What's the word I'm looking for? Thank you. What do we think of Lala calling out her castmates for allegedly buying followers? How bored are you?

Like for me, I'm like, you went on a website to get this information, like why? It was sent in to her apparently. But even then to share it, I don't know, it just like, I'm just like, who cares? Well Lala points out, she's just like, her numbers are based off the idea that apparently inactive followers means bought followers,

and while I'm no expert in this, I'm pretty sure that inactive followers just means inactive followers, some of which may be bought, but like, you know, for the Vanderpump cast, for example, they've been in the game online and having followers for over a decade. You don't think some of those people

that followed them in 2015 are still using their Instagram. Maybe they just made a new account. Maybe it's inactive. So there is that. And Katie having allegedly 40,000 inactive, like 40,000 followers having 1.6 million followers is nothing. It's like, it's meaningless.

Even if she bought 40,000 followers, like there's a one day Katie was like, eh, maybe I could. Also, people with that size of following, and I've had this happen, I remember when, 2014, and the psychology of getting followers overnight really does fuck with you.

Because then you get a bunch of followers and then you're off the show and then every time you post, you just lose a bunch of followers. You're like, oh my God, I'm never posting again. You're like, what is going on? You know, like, it really does fuck with your psyche. And then I remember a couple nights, all of a sudden, like, I was just getting followers,

like, just overwhelming. I'm like, did I do something fun? Like, what is going on? And realizing they were all bots. Like, your fans can buy you followers, that's a thing. Oh. Or random people, you know, that has happened to people. Like, I don't know if Katie has or not, and I'm just like, it can happen,

but 40,000 bundled up with 1.6 is nothing. And like, why are you coming after, like again, it's just another example of Lala just throwing a grenade at Katie for, like what? For what? What is going on? Well, I thought it's funny that it's Katie and Ariana that that have like the most followers bought I mean she and Lisa yeah Lisa has the most

uh yeah they said Lisa has 477,000 inactive and Jax has 953,000 inactive how many followers does Jax have like I want to say not something Yeah, like on the smaller side of one million. What is it? There's no way he's bought in two thirds of his followers. That's what I'm saying, but at the same time for Jax, I'm not really surprised. Well, he might be a piece of shit, but he's a potential, for some, a good follow.

Like I get why people follow him. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, it's 1.2 million. Yeah, there's no way he would only have 300,000 followers. Yeah, some of this is just unbelievable. The math is not math-ing. She's also saying Ariana has 707K and then Lisa has 477K in active followers.

Like these numbers are just huge. But Lala has zero. And Lala has zero. And that's what I find, right Mike? Zero. Not even 10, not even 100 in active followers. Not one in actor, in follower? No.

Yeah, and they've all had fans buy them followers at some point, they probably didn't even realize. Yeah. Yeah, I don't believe any of these numbers. I only realized, like this is like in 2014 when I had 50,000 followers and like, I remember one night getting followers and being like, what is going on?

Like, did I do something and then realize they're all bots? Devastating. People's managers can buy them followers. That happens too. So did you see that the Joe bullying, I brought that up and it ties in with your whole follower thing, whatever,

because James posted his like merch and it did not go over well. Everyone in the comments was like, this was a mess. Like read the room. What was the merch? Sloppy Joe. Color Sloppy Joe. And it was like a sloppy Joe with like eyelashes.

Oh my God. Cause he made the comment on the show and people laughed. And so then he went and made merch, which it was definitely like timing was good. It was like a funny joke, you know, I guess if you're not Joe. But then to make a t-shirt out of it, it just... Not everything has to be merch.

Truly. It's icky. It did great with the worm with the mustache, but it's time to move on from that. Did I see somewhere that he offered to split the proceeds with Joe of the merch? Ali made him, Ali made an apology video. Ali made the video?

Well, like James is holding it being like, oh, I guess this didn't go over well. And Ali's like, I apologize for my sloppy James. And he's like, I can't take down the shirt ad cause I boosted it, but I'll share the proceeds with you Joe or whatever. For sure not split. What do you mean he boost, he bought?

He like boosted the post or whatever. He paid marketing. Yeah, there you go. He paid for marketing dollars to sell t-shirts? Yeah. I guess. That's a hustle. That was sad. And I think Sheena being like,

take your fucking hat off, I'm gonna bully you. It was just gross. And I think Lala made a good point of being like, if I'm wearing a hat and someone is like, take your fucking hat off, I'm sorry, no. That was very mean, girl. It's also very, I saw a TikTok of like a group of guys talking about, I guess like X that women can do.

And it was the girl who like takes the hat off of a guy's head and like won't give it back. Oh my God, that is so. Oh yeah. So I know. So very school you're talking about. It's like, oh. Give me my fucking hat back.

Why are you doing that? You're like, this is not as cute as you think it is. It's not at all. It was very high school. Yeah, I hate that person. Yeah. Yeah. Now it made me sad too.

I was like, nobody deserves to be treated like that, especially when it's Ariana and Katy, who have the reason to be upset with Joe, but like, you don't have to go hard at making her feel unwanted in a public space at that. No. You know? No.

It was rough. It was rough. It was rough, the valley. Actually the valley, which we'll get to right after because right now Elizabeth Wagmeister from CNN is gonna be zooming in to talk about all things the P. Diddy scandal. Thank God, I'm so confused, I have so many questions. I have so many questions and I thought it'd be appropriate

to have our friend of show Elizabeth Wagmeister from CNN come on and, cause she's been covering the story with great detail and this covering the story with great detail and this is the story like I want to make sure we get right because there's so much misinformation out there that I just don't want to be like spreading misinformation I want to be getting the real tea and then when we come back we will get into the valley also don't forget that this Thursday Daisy from your favorite bachelor season since I don't know when,

will be with us on Going Deeper. Also JoJo Siwa returns for the intro of Going Deeper to talk about her new music video. She is turning heads and- Tyler Cameron announces he has OnlyFans. Right now? But is it April Fools? April Fools, motherfucker.

I'm so tired of this. He said the reveal y'all have been asking for head to OnlyFans to see more, link in bio. What's the bio? Is it a charity for his new show? No, it is 100% OnlyFans. It's real. No.

Going home with Tyler Cameron. It's for his show. The show is called- Bachelor builder businessman. It's for his show. It's a promo for his new show. I mean, this, it's a great way to get people to subscribe.

You guys have scotch well IP. He looks great. I mean, subscribe, it's a great way to get people to subscribe. You guys discussed well IP. He looks great. I mean, subscribe. Excuse me. Did you just tell Natalie to subscribe? I think she did. For research purposes. It's for work.

Oh, it's hot. Yeah, that's not what I was expecting to see. So it's real? I wonder how much money he's making just off people being like, wait, is this real? Right, just subscribing to see if it was a joke or not. See, that goes right into our previous theory about how launching things on April Fools is brilliant. Nobody subscribes and he's like, yep, nope, it was a joke.

You can subscribe for free. Ooh, done. I have to put an email in a password. He's also going to get a notification that Natalie Joy has subscribed to his account. That's the best part. You should have put Nick's. You should have put Nick's. He's gonna text Nick and be like, uh, buddy, hate to break it to you.

Just want to be a good friend. You want me to decline this one? When Nick was like, Natalie couldn't do anything to embarrass me. He goes to the bathroom and I'm like starting to go for Tyler Cameron's OnlyFans. He goes to the bathroom and I'm like starting to go for Tyler Cameron's OnlyFans. He goes to the bathroom and Natalie has an OnlyFans when we get back. When Nick gets back I'm gonna announce Natalie Joy has an OnlyFans.

Wait I'm so confused. Can you just ask him Nick? Because I've made an OnlyFans account now and now it's like I gotta, you can subscribe for free, but you gotta put in a card. I'm scared. I don't want this monthly charge. His catchphrase is, going home with me is easier than you think. It's gotta be April Fool's.

Also, like, listen. That's a lot of admin to, for a joke. Nell and I were, again, back to house shopping. You know, we are aiming big. And I thought to myself, well, what if it all goes wrong? We might need to start an OnlyFans. The reality is that Tyler Cameron would make millions of dollars.

I already have the backup ready. Tyler Cameron would make millions of dollars. 1000%. I could post my pre-mom content, which was literally just like me in a swimsuit by the pool on OnlyFans and make money. I was like, Larsa Pippen was making six figures for foot photos.

Didn't, what did, didn't these searchers say she was making every day? So many people signed up to get out of debt. Remember all the conversations we had before OnlyFans existed and it was always like, would you suck someone's dick for like $4 million or $1 million, all these crazy things you got asked to do like for a million dollars.

And when it comes to OnlyFans, like- Now you can. You can do it. You're gonna get a million dollars, all these crazy things you got asked to do like for a million dollars and when it comes to OnlyFans like you're gonna get a million dollars if you're willing to do any of this shit that you were like once been like I know I would totally do that for a million dollars. That's a great ad for OnlyFans. Remember when you can. We could make the best OnlyFans commercial, like all this shit you said you would do, for a half a million dollars. Here's your chance, do it now. Do it now. So maybe Tyler's just like, you know what, fuck it.

Like he would make, I'm still here to say Tom Sandoval, the fact that he is not on OnlyFans, it is such a miss. What? Wait, what? Who's taking your child? Oh my God. We think they're zooming in on Tyler Cameron's penis. What's happening?

Oh my God. She's so pretty. Tiny thigh. I know. The tiny thigh. Also, I was thinking about, speaking of babies, it's just amazing how anything they drew is cute compared to if it was an adult.

I thought about this as I was going to the bathroom. Oh, all right, sure. But River will sneeze, fart and puke all at the same time. And it's like, oh my God, it's so adorable. Can you imagine if any of us like sneeze, farted and puke all at once? I'll never see people again.

I almost did when I got my IUD put in. I also did when they checked my cervix. So it's the same pain. She literally, the midwife who did it, she was like, so I just watched your body do what a lot of my like delivery patients have. Wait, why'd you have a midwife put an eye on you? Is that a thing? A midwife does this?

Yeah. Interesting. And she was like, your body basically just tried to puke, poop and pass out all at the same time. She was like, that was fun to watch. And I was like, oh body basically just tried to puke, poop and pass out all at the same time. She was like, that was fun to watch. And I was like, oh my God, great. Just like when you were in treatment. Just like when you were in treatment. Yeah, well when our daughter does it,

it's the most adorable thing in the world. And also like, good girl! Aw, Judy, we're so proud of you! But yeah, if I like did that at work, I would never, I quit. Yes. Oh. Ali, take over.

Literally, wow. Since we're on the topic. Yeah, can people, like, do I look tired? We both look tired. I don't think you look tired. Oh my God, I think, well, I put on some makeup today, but. Do I look tired? Like, I would say, if you look tired,

like, yeah, it looks like he just woke up, it's the morning. I'm just tired of the doomsday parents out there online who are just like, every fucking post, they're like, you look so fucking tired, and I'm like, do I? And it's like, I don't even think they're actually looking at my face.

They're just like, they see me holding a baby, and like, listen, I know parenting is hard. I'm sorry that we, Natalie and I, are loving every moment of it, but I am so tired of the doomsday parents out there. It's like, oh, better wait for this. Oh, this sucks. Oh, you're gonna get no sleep.

And you can't go online and be like, you know, I love being a dad without them being offended that you're enjoying every moment with your kid. Like, why do I have to couch everything? But like, you know, I get it. Like sometimes it's really tiring to have a kid, but like, you know, we love it, but like, and everyone's like, well, it's not that easy for everybody.

It's like, I didn't say it was, like, fuck off. Like, I'm sorry. It's just like the doomsday parents out there be like, oh, don't have a kid. Like, ah. That sounds like Jesse on the Valley. He's like, I loved playing hockey, but I can't do it now,

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find out where you can find it at zoaenergy.comcom and find retailers like Amazon, 7-Eleven, Costco, Circle K and more. Hello. Hi. How are you doing, Elizabeth? Good. How are you? Okay, by the way, congratulations. Elizabeth just got married. Finally, we were able to have the ceremony. You did it? Yes, finally. After a hurricane, we finally did it. Oh my gosh. Well, Elizabeth, welcome back to the show.

We're so happy to have you. Thank you. I always love chatting with you guys. The last time Elizabeth was on, she was a variety correspondent now. She is CNN. CNN. And she has been doing a lot of coverage,

working very hard to cover the P Diddy situation. Is that what we're calling it, the P Diddy situation? What is it like kind of, what do you guys refer to it at CNN, Elizabeth? The allegations against Sean Diddy Combs. Okay, see? Sean Diddy Combs. That's a C, you know, I say the P Diddy situation,

CNN says the allegations. Yeah, he has not referred to himself as P. Diddy for some time. But I think we all know what you're talking about when you say that. It's a crazy story. There's so much like information and possibly misinformation going out around the internet

that I wanted to bring you in. Someone's actually covering it and trying to get the facts of the situation to help us like better understand what is going on. Last week, his homes both I think in Miami and LA were raided. I don't know if it's other homes that were raided, but raided by federal, FBI was some sort of federal law enforcement.

His sons were detained. There was conversations about him possibly leaving the country. Then there was things about maybe he got arrested or not arrested. Now there's conversations about like, does this stop with P. Diddy or Sean Combs or whatever? I think there's speculation about other artists and rappers

who have been loosely tied to Sean Diddy Combs over the years. And like, where does this go from here, Elizabeth? Okay, so first, I'm glad that you said that there's a lot of information and misinformation because even with some of what you just said, some of that is incorrect. So I'm going to politely.

Yeah, we didn't know. Politely correct you, which, you know, we please don't take any offense to, but these are really serious allegations. So it's important that we get everything right. So there have been no arrests made and no one has been detained. Right now, where this stands is there are very, very serious allegations against Diddy. There have been five lawsuits against him starting in November of 2023 and going up to a few weeks ago was the most recent one.

Then, as you said, last Monday, so about a week ago, there were raids. There were searches on both of his homes in Los Angeles and in Miami. There have been no other raids on his other homes. There were some rumors that there were going to be at this point. There are no other raids. And we learned at CNN, while these searches were literally going on, that they were related to ongoing, to an ongoing sex trafficking investigation. Now that is per a law enforcement source from our correspondent, Josh Campbell, who some of your viewers may be familiar with his excellent work on CNN.

And then as this continued to progress, we also learned that it was in fact Diddy, Sean Combs, who was the target of that federal investigation. Now that is per our John Miller at CNN. So at first these raids were going on and they were at his homes, but officials were not and have not said that he was the target.

Now we have learned though that he is. So now where this goes, the next step in this obviously is what are the findings of these searches, right? They obviously went in there looking for something. There have been allegations in all of these lawsuits relating to sexual assault, drugging, human trafficking, sex trafficking, you know, so they, they went in there to look for something.

And now I think we will have a clear view of what happens next when we know what the findings of those investigations are, right? Like there is a scenario where they do find some evidence. We don't know what that is yet, but they, you know, we hear that they were going in there to look at photographs, at computers, at different files. They're obviously looking for information. In some of these lawsuits, there were allegations that Diddy had cameras all over his home. So that has been alleged in some of these complaints.

So what do they find? If they find something that leads them to this rising to a criminal level, then this could be prosecuted. If they find nothing, then this could all be a big nothing, but that still does not take away these allegations from these five very serious suits. And of course, we do have to point out that Diddy denies, denies, denies this and has since the first suit came in November. Wow.

That's a lot. Was that too much? No, that's great. I'm gonna just digest. So my first question that while you're talking is, and I don't know if you had no answer to this, but I gotta assume that the law enforcement, the feds, whoever the feds, whatever agency it is,

especially with a public figure of Sean Combs, like usually, do they not do this level of public raids if they don't think an arrest is imminent? You know what I'm saying? Because wouldn't it almost look bad on the feds to storm the castle, so to speak, only to be like, oh, actually, turns out he's a pretty decent guy. Found out we didn't find it.

You know what I'm saying? It just seems like how, yeah. Yeah, I totally hear what you're saying. I don't think we can go so far to say they're doing this if it's going to lead to an imminent arrest. But yes, I think it is fair to say that they're not going in here looking for nothing, right? Like they're, again. There are very serious allegations in

These complaints the other thing that I want to point out and Nick you and I over the years when I've been a guest We've talked about that, you know, I've covered a lot of stories throughout the me too movement I fronted coverage for both Harvey Weinstein trials. I broke the allegations against Matt Lauer. Something that I have learned in my coverage of complaints of this nature is when there's a pattern of behavior that is established, that is something to take seriously. Now that doesn't mean that because there is only one accuser or only one allegation that that allegation is false, it very much can be true. But, you know, we've all heard the phrase, there's power in numbers. And when you have five different accusers, none of whom knew each other, all who are making

accusations from different years, right? Some of these are from the 90s. Some of these are from, you know, as recent as a few years ago, and they're all making very similar and very serious accusations against Diddy. I would imagine that when the feds are looking into this, that that pattern could be alarming and could be concerning and could lead you to believe that there is something going on and something that has been going on for a number of years to different individuals. Now, as far as your reporting in a scene is concerned, again, another thing we're seeing a lot online

is the connections between Sean Combs and other artists and speculation about like, is Sean Combs allegedly the next Jeffrey Epstein? Is that something that is just at this point, internet conjecture and a bunch of rumors, or is that something you guys are looking into with any validity? I mean, look, I think in this day and age,

you know, stories don't just unfold in the news. There is immediate feedback, of course, on social media. And like you said, to start off this conversation, there's a lot of rumors, there's a lot of misinformation. But I think, you know, the reason why people are making connections such as those is because there's similar allegations. Again, Diddy denies all of these allegations, but there are similar allegations that have stemmed from previous cases, right?

In the Jeffrey Epstein case, we heard that there were allegedly cameras. With Diddy, he has been accused of having cameras in his home. there's allegations against Diddy of drugging women and drugging minors and drugging sex workers. We have seen similar allegations of drugging with, you know, previous powerful famous men, such as Al Cosby. You know, those allegations that people lived with Diddy. We have seen previous allegations such as against R. Kelly, right? But he had people living with him. So I think people are drawing different connections to various former alleged accused men, but that doesn't mean that they are true. You know, So what we are looking into right now with our reporting is these

accusations, which right now they do remain accusations and this is an investigation. Just because someone is being investigated doesn't mean that they are guilty. But I think you certainly have a point that when the feds you know going there because things are going well right that's pretty obvious I'm to say but I do if you don't mind just because this is really important I'm pulling up a statement right now if you don't mind because I don't know if you've read the statement to your listeners yet but I'm going through all my papers. Okay, here we go So we did obtain a statement from did he's attorney We were the first with this statement at CNN and it's important to read it in full

Because as we're talking about, you know There's so many allegations and so much to talk about and everybody's drawing their own conclusions and the fact of the matter is is right now there's an investigation and there's allegations that the target did he deny. So here is his statement from his attorney Aaron Dyer. He tells us it's CNN quote, and this is the day after the race. He tells us yesterday there was a gross overuse of military level force. A search warrants were executed at Mr. Combs residences. There is no excuse for the excessive show of force and hostility exhibited by authorities or the way his children and employees were treated. Mr. Combs was never

detained but spoke to and cooperated with authorities. Despite media speculation, neither Mr. Combs nor any of his family members have been arrested nor has their ability to travel been restricted in any way. This unprecedented ambush paired with an advanced coordinated media presence leads to a premature rush judgment of Mr. Combs and is nothing more than a witch hunt based on meritless accusations made in civil lawsuits. There has been no finding or criminal or civil liability with any of these allegations. Mr. Combs is innocent and will continue to fight every single day to clear his name. So I think, you know, just in there, you hear what Diddy side believes. Now I also spoke to some people in Diddy's

inner circle and I hear that they were completely shocked, that they were completely caught off guard by these raids. They were shocked at the scope of the raids. And at the time that his Los Angeles home and Miami home was being raided, he was on his way out of Miami to go on a vacation with his twin teenage daughters. And that's when this all happened. So, you know, there was also a lot of media speculation of, is he trying to flee the country? You know, what's going on, where is he? And I hear that he was going on a pre-planned vacation for spring break with his girls. There was one of his private planes that did leave the country, registered in his name,

but we hear at CNN that Diddy was not on that plane. And now that plane is back in the country. So that was another big media rumor that maybe I can clear up a bit. Thanks not on that plane. And now that plane is back in the country. So that was another big media rumor that maybe I can clear up a bit. Thanks for clearing that up. There was also a video that resurfaced of a young girl in the video and Sean Combs saying that he has adopted her

and then there was like, oh, there was actually a missing person's report for this young girl. What do you all make of that? I have seen that video. That is not something that I personally have looked into. And that is not something that has come up in any of the complaints yet. I do think you know, there's a lot of past videos coming up, right? I'm sure we've all seen the video with Justin Bieber and the video with Usher. And there's an interview with Usher from 2016. He's talking to Howard Stern and Howard Stern is asking about him living with Diddy when he was 13, 14 years old. And 2016 is a year before the Me Too movement. So this

is going through the lens of a pre-Me Too environment before Hollywood certainly was really looking at these behaviors from powerful men who often got away with many misdeeds. Now people are looking at that video and saying, why was Usher living with Diddy at 13-14 years old? That seems a little strange. We have not heard from Usher. And again, Diddy is one of the people who discovered Usher. So there could be a reason that he was with him. But yeah, there's a lot of videos that are being looked at. Again, I do want to point out, so when I just brought up Usher, because he's

one of the people that did he help with his career, you know, I said this on air, and I think something that is a telltale sign that we should take very seriously. Diddy is responsible for launching the career of Mary J. Blyde for Usher. Biggie, who obviously is no longer here, but he's responsible for launching the career of Mary J. Blige or Usher. Biggie, who obviously is no longer here, but he's responsible for launching the careers of mega massive stars. And even if he wasn't responsible and launching their careers, he's friends with them, right?

Like it's Diddy, he knows everyone. He's had a career over three decades. He just won the global icon award at the VMAs last year. Not one person has come out to defend him. So I think that's a very strong sign, something that we should look at. He has friends in high places. He has friends all over Hollywood. He's a mogul. He has friends in tech. He has friends in the business world, the finance world. Not one person is speaking out about him. And there are also a few celebrities

who I don't wanna call out right now, but a few celebrities who deleted photos with Diddy that was on their social media right when the first lawsuit from Cassie, his ex, came out. So he's getting no Hollywood support, no support from his famous friends. And that's something that's different than what we've seen with previous people who have been accused. Yeah, yeah even people who have been rightfully accused have

gotten support from some of their peers and he is not. You know, I'm always like you mentioned R. Kelly, one thing it just always blows my mind when I think about it. I just, I'm old enough to remember that when I was like in middle school and high school, it was like the worst kept secret that R. Kelly was a predator and was involved with young women and children, the whole alaya of it all. And it was like, no one did anything about it. You know, for years, it was something that everyone knew,

everyone talked about R. Kelly was a pedophile, he was a child predator, and I would always remember being in high school confused. It was like, how is this guy still dropping new songs when we all know that he is a monster? And it just finally, one day, it seemed like the government decided to care, but everyone knew about it for years,

and it's always so bizarre to me. And we do know that Sean Combs and R. Kelly and other artists out there, we're in very tight circles around that time. So we know where R. Kelly is these days. Whether that's a coincidence or not, I don't know, but I think it's wild. I'm always reminded, every time R. Kelly's name gets dropped,

I'm always just like, John on the floor just shocked how long people knew who he was, and like everyone just looked the other way for so many years. It's so crazy to me. I mean, look, you know, Hollywood is inherently a business about the bottom line, right? So if someone is making a lot of money, and if they have a lot of power, historically, people have looked the other

way. And that is why the Me Too movement was such a game changer for not just Hollywood, not just the entertainment business, but really for society. It impacted restaurant workers, it impacted so many different people. But it was finally, you know, this time where people can speak up. And again, when you speak up, it's an allegation, it doesn't mean it's true. But we've obviously, you know, you use R. Kelly as an example, we've seen enough situations where these things are true. At a criminal level, you know, R. Kelly is in prison. Harvey Weinstein is in prison

Bill Cosby was in prison. He got off based on a technicality not on anything that had to do with the allegations against him So I think what we're seeing and there's still a lot more work to be done But I think what we're seeing is a culture that is changed where it's not so easy to act the way that you want to act and to act criminally in many cases or at least act with bad behavior just because you're powerful. Because now people will speak up. But you know, with R. Kelly, the lid wasn't really blown off on that until Lifetime's docuseries, surviving R. Kelly. And it was when these allegations came forward that then we saw a domino effect. And that's why I brought up this pattern of

behavior because with Diddy, he was first accused by Cassidy in a lawsuit in November of 2023. Within a few days, we had two more accusers. And then within a few months, we have five accusers and five lawsuits. So it's this domino effect that we have seen. And again, that is something to pay very close attention to. And you look, you know, I have one of the complaints in front of me. So the most recent complaint was from a male former producer of Diddy's. And he worked with him on his love album. He, you know, some of the more minor offenses, allegations in this complaint are that he wasn't paid properly.

But then the more serious offenses I'm looking through, he's accusing Diddy of sexual assault, grooming him into having sex with another man, forcing him to procure sex workers, forcing him to watch pornographic videos, alleging that Diddy served alcoholic beverages that were laced with drugs to minors and sex workers. He spoke about sex trafficking parties. He said Diddy was forceful and demanding and displayed his gun so he felt intimidated. Here's a quote. It's graphic, but I'm going to read it. A quote from that complaint says, throughout his time living with Mr. Combs, Mr. Jones'," Rodney Jones is the accuser,

"'was the victim of constant unsolicited and unauthorized groping and touching of his anus.'" So there are like very serious allegations. Then you look at Cassie's lawsuit from November, she accuses him of, "'Sex trafficking, human trafficking, sexual battery, assault, controlling behavior, and a decade of abuse since the age of 19.

They were together for a very long time. And she says that throughout that entire relationship that she was in this cycle of abuse by Diddy. So these are very, very serious allegations. And again, started this domino effect. So to your point, Nick, there's always rumors and why does it take so long? You know, people are scared even how many years after the Me Too movement, they're very scared to come forward against powerful people that they know are capable of career retaliation. And he's one of the most powerful. Yeah. In Hollywood. Right. Could be capable of worse. Yeah, wow. This is, and I'm assuming we're just expecting more

to be uncovered. Like where do we think we're at in this story? Like how fast do you think the government is gonna move with their investigation? I think there's a lot more to come from this story. I think this is, I think, I don't wanna say this is the tip of the iceberg because it could, right? Like nothing could come from this story. I think this is the, I think, I don't want to say this is the tip of the iceberg because it could, right? Like nothing could come from it. But I think if he has cameras in his home, which he is alleged to have, there could be a lot of evidence

there. There could be nothing, but there could be a lot of evidence there. We also know that Diddy infamously through big Hollywood parties, what other celebrities are going to pop up in any evidence that they find. Now, that doesn't mean that those celebrities will be accused of wrongdoing themselves. Just because you were at a party at Diddy's house doesn't mean that you were engaged in any alleged bad behavior. But Diddy knew a lot of famous people and they were often at his house. So if there is, which we don't know if there is, if there is footage, if there is evidence,

there can be a lot to come out. Now the other thing that we're looking out for, of course, there could potentially be more accusers. Right now we have five lawsuits against him, but there could be more. So I think that's another thing to look out for. It's not just what they'll find from these raids. It's are there more people that will come forward? The more safe people feel about coming forward, the more we'll come forward if there are other victims out there.

I can understand why it would still be very scary for alleged other victims to come forward against him. Absolutely. And you know, you have the the investigation side of it, But then you also have the career side of things for Diddy. Diddy is truly in that 1% of the entertainment business where he is his own boss. And he doesn't need more money. He doesn't need anyone to help him. He calls the shots. However, let's say that this investigation goes nowhere. You still have these allegations

that have come out against him and he is denying them. I expect that he will continue to deny him based on the statement that we have from him and his lawyers, but those allegations don't go away. So I think the future for Diddy is very different at the very least, right? Because you brought up prison time with R. Kelly, you know? And we don't know if that's even in the realm of possibility. It depends what happens with this investigation. But even if

that is off the table, things don't look the same for Diddy after this all happens. Because once the lid is blown off and these allegations come out, it's up to the public what they believe. Largely these are he said, she said cases. If there's camera footage and evidence, it doesn't become a he said, she said. There might actually be some tangible evidence there. But, you know, I think that the career fallout is a very real thing, regardless of what happens with this investigation.

Well, these alleged cameras and the potential parties and all the celebrities that have allegedly potentially gone there and could be on video will be fascinating if there's truth to those allegations. Can I ask, TMZ reported that a alleged drug mule was arrested at the Miami airport, like the day of the raids. Is that true? Do you have any confirmation on that or if it's related? Yes. So not yes, that it's related. But yes, I can elaborate further on that. So we also reported that it's one of Diddy's associates. And in the lawsuit from this male music producer, Rodney

Jones, he alleges that this associate, his name is Brendan, that he was a quote, drug deal of Diddy. Now, team Diddy is denying that but this man was arrested the day of the raids on his Los Angeles and Miami homes. They were at a Miami airport. There are photos of Diddy with Brendan and Brendan was arrested. He was eventually released but he was arrested for having drugs on him. But they have denied that he was Diddy's drug meal. The allegations in the lawsuit are that he was his drug meal and also helped obtain gun firearms for him. But they have denied that but yes he was arrested.

Okay. Wow. Well, Elizabeth, I can't thank you enough for you know, providing accurate information There's obviously so much more to potentially uncover But I'm glad we we got the information right directly from someone with your qualification So we really appreciate you taking the time And giving us a scoop on the latest of what's going on with Sean Diddy Combs Thank you. Of course. And this story is not going anywhere.

So we will continue to be reporting on it and any developments. You let me know what you need. Well, obviously always honored to have you on Elizabeth. Can't wait to have you on again, whether it's talking about this case or I'm sure other more, well, other cases in Hollywood. Elizabeth's always doing the best with all the well, other cases in Hollywood. Elizabeth's always doing the best with all the biggest scoops in Hollywood. So thanks for taking your time.

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That's so exciting. Having like a real CNN correspondent. I like a real show these days. That's like very real. We're doing very real things here. Very real things. I'm impressed. Natalie had to go.

She, she had a workout appointment. All right. So listen, as a family, we're just making it work. You're here. Heck yeah. We're just making it work. She had to go. She said goodbye, but she peaced out

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We're just trying to feed our family, you know? We're just trying to make ends meet, anyway. I was like, with a great ass. Yeah, she does, yeah. Oh, but Tyler Cameron did text me back. I text Tyler Cameron, is his OnlyFans real or is this April Fool's? Tyler wrote, it's real but for promo.

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We love Elizabeth. She just gives us a little bit of legitimacy that we aspire to have. I liked it. That was real. Back to reality television. Okay, back to the Valley. Hockey Bro, those Hockey Bro episode.

Jesse. It's rare that you find somebody that makes you question, do I like Jax? No. No. Does it make you like him? No, not that I like Jax, I'm saying more so because I didn't think that somebody could be

more unlikable on reality TV than Jax, but every time Jesse opens his mouth for me, it's mm. I'm not giving Jax credit. I'm not saying I like Jax. I'm just saying it's one of those things where you're just like, how are you zines stealing with being awful? Because that's been Jax's platform,

so we just kind of leave him there where I'm like, but Jax had his moments this episode too. What Jax Taylor has proven is that being on a TV show with Jax Taylor is not good for your mental health. He will say anything about you or your past. He basically slut shamed Kristin Doty. Not even basically. Fully.

Fully, full on. I've slept with her, everyone slept with her to sleep with. It's like, holy shit, Jax. So incredibly rude. Also the setting up, yeah, the ex-boyfriend that clearly did not end on good terms to meet her current boyfriend in hopes that they'll have a conversation.

Like, what was your intention besides pure evil there, Jax? No, his intention is for Alex is the ex, right? Yeah. For Alex to talk Luke out of dating Kristen. A thousand percent. That's Jax's goal and seems to be his goal for the foreseeable future. Like every boyfriend Kristen has, is Jax gonna do this? out of dating Kristin. That's Jack's goal and seems to be his goal for the foreseeable future.

Like every boyfriend Kristin has, is Jack's gonna do this? Well, why does Kristin fuck with them? I don't understand. I think she loves Brittany. Thank God they're going their separate ways. But I feel like it's kind of like the women stick together and kind of accept the fact.

Cause she said that about Jesse too. She was like, I'm only near Jesse because I love his wife, not by choice. She doesn't even know him that well. Has Jesse not figured out, or men in general, middle-aged men, like, if you're being recorded and you have an opportunity to show your talents in something you were good at in high school,

calm down on the enthusiasm. You know, because like when Calm down on the enthusiasm. You know? Because when Jesse put on the roller blades and started playing roller hockey, he was truly in his element. And everything I wondered or needed to know about Jesse was answered in that moment. It's like, oh, he's a hockey bro

who was really good at hockey in high school. Absolutely. And he's put on the skates a few times since then and he is literally rolling circles around these guys who don't care about hockey. One can't even skate. Weren't good in high school, weren't even athletic and he is so proud of himself.

It's like he is really good at doing it and it really shows, You know what I mean? Like it's his whole personality. Truly. And playing hockey too. Yeah, exactly. And then critiquing the people. It's like, if you wanna get put wheeled,

like do what I, put on some roller skates. I've witnessed that on that episode. And like that comes with its own inherent criticism being a middle-aged man good at roller skating. Not like the guy who's playing hockey who is like, yeah I used to be the star athlete in high school, you know. It's like everything, it's just, I just couldn't imagine wanting to go on a TV show and just be like, I'm the deadbeat dad. I just, I don't understand. Is that still fun to like joke about, to be a loser dad?

I never knew it was fun to joke about in the first place. Yeah. I don't know, I thought it's like... It's a trope that I think if you're in it, you think it's okay, but really it's never okay. Or it's like the like villain thing where it's like you don't see yourself how everybody else sees you kind of situation.

Yeah, I don't understand his motivation coming on this show. Like what did you want your character to be? It's his like first line in the episode where he was like, somebody told him that once he realized or accepted the fact he was a douchebag, he became more charming. And I said this earlier, but I was like, that is, to me, one person said that to you

and excused your whole behavior and you just held onto that and was like, oh, people find this charming. Because on a grand scale, no. Absolutely, do you wanna help your wife with your kid? No. Nipple twisting at a party? No.

Oh my God, the nipple twisting. Oh my God, I forgot about that. Yep. Yeah. The sexual assault. Yeah, and he claims that I don't remember doing that. That's not really like my thing. Like, gosh, I should hope so. The fact that he quickly was like, I can't deny it.

I don't remember doing it. Guilty. You have a problem. And I gave a mad respect to Luke for standing up for his lady and being like, it doesn't matter if you think she said it happened, so therefore it's fact. And I'm like, I appreciate that. Yeah, the difference between Jax's reaction to that and Luke's reaction to that was like night and day.

Jax was like, oh, ha ha. Do you think he did it? Yeah, and Luke was like so serious. Jax? absolutely not okay. Jacks just thinks it's all show fodder. Yeah. You know, he's like, oh man, like what a great storyline. But do you feel like anyone else on the Valley

that's new isn't feeling that way? Like they're actually being more authentic, which is kind of scarier? Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Totally. Like if they're coming into it and they're like, don't know how it works and don't know how to like kind of queue up

with the producers, if they're actually like twisting nips, they're like this is what I like to do versus like. No, it's alarming. It's alarming. I don't, yeah. And again, like I have done reality TV, but there is a reason why I haven't been back on. Yeah.

You know, because like I don't wanna have to do things for the sake of doing things, and I just don't care that much about being good TV. Also, Jesse and Michelle, they have since filed for divorce. If there is a season two of The Valley, and I suspect there may be, because it seems to be doing well, does he have a place on the show? I know he's a bit of a drama starter,

but is anyone interested in watching Single Jessie? Hanging out with Single Jax? Not me. That's what I'm saying. I'm like, I don't know what the evolution of it's going to be at the same time. I didn't know what the actual premise of the show was gonna be.

So that's where I'm like, there is room for it to turn into something else, being that all of these couples are separating. I don't know. Like, I don't wanna watch Single Jessie and Jax venture around West Hollywood picking up girls. Yeah.

You know? Jasmine Good made an appearance from my season of The Bachelor, she's on there. She's a friend of. She's a main friend. Yeah. Friend of, yeah. I've gotten to know Jasmine a couple,

it's always, like Jasmine famously choked me on my season of The Bachelor, which then Natalie started asking, because Natalie hasn't seen my season, and Bachelor, which then Nellie started asking, because Nellie hasn't seen my season, and she's like, weren't you also punched in the face? And then she's like, oh, didn't you also X, Y, or Z? I don't even feel comfortable enough saying. But I was like, yeah, no, that is all true.

And then when I think about it in context, I was put in a lot of uncomfy situations, because that's the thing about being The Bachelor. I weren't just a lead of any kind. It's just like, specifically Corinne, who again, I thought, she's a star. And I think we forget, we don't recognize Corinne's star as much as we should these days.

But that being said, I always had a choice between any of these women were willing to take a risk, appropriate or not appropriate, putting themselves out there, punching me in the face, choking me, whatever. I had to decide whether I should speak up and say, I'm not comfortable or embarrass them. And I always chose not to speak up.

I just kind of went with it and felt uncomfy throughout the entire experience. Because saying, I'm not comfortable right now in front of them and a bunch of cameras and women is that I didn't wanna do that. I wanted to pick it one for the team, so to speak, which is always weird when you think about it in those contexts.

That means that I actually have gotten to know Jasmine a couple times. I've only ran, I've ran her a couple times since the show and it's fascinating when, you know, cause as the bachelor, the stakes are raised. Like you're, you're literally are there because you're like, you're hoping you meet someone because the expectation you are to get engaged. So like you, you see these women differently

and when you come out of the show and you meet them in the wild, so to speak and the stakes aren't there anymore, you're kind of like, oh, you're kind of, you're cool. You're cool, you're cool, you're chill, that's how I always have felt about Jasmine. Like when she was choking me on the season, I was a little perturbed.

Outside of the show, I was like, yeah, you're fine, you're a cool hag, so I wish she had been nothing but the best. Anything else on the Valley? Just that how Brittany gave the information to Kristen about Alex being there, where I'm A, just glad that she doesn't have to fight Jax's battles anymore. But it's also like, as a friend,

I don't know how you would bring that to your friend saying, hey, my husband invited your ex, I hope you're okay with it, and not like a heads up, it's happening right now. I'm always trying to figure out what is real and what these people are doing for TV. It also just feels like they're all always in fight or flight because at any point someone could be like,

and I'm bringing this person over or I've just told this secret. Like there's no like homeostasis relaxation of the nervous system because you're just like, it's like being at camp and people like being at prank war. Like, I feel like everyone's just like gonna do it on you. Like I'm shocked Kristen's back on the show. It's weird.

It cannot be good for her mental health. Well, it's weird to me when people put longevity of friendship over quality of friendship, where even what Luke said in the show, he was like, I don't think a friend would put you in an uncomfortable situation on purpose and see how you react to it. But it's like these people have all done terrible things

to each other, with each other. In normal life, you would separate yourself and never see these people again, but because of the want of being on television or whatever it is, you're willing to subject yourself to this level of toxicity and friendships, because these aren't real friends. I heard that Jax went around asking anyone

who he kind of knew if they wanted to be on the show. Yeah, I believe that. After watching the show and the chemistry of the cast. Yeah, some of the Valley friendships that reek of the New York Housewives part two. It's like you guys are just, you guys are hanging out for the first time. It's Jax excusing him inviting Alex

because he's part of the guy group and then him talking to Danny and like Jessie being like, so Alex is gonna come, he dated Kristen. You guys don't hang out. You don't know each other. Yeah. He has no purpose in being here. Yeah and then Brittany saying that Alex deserved

to be there more than Luke and it's like, what? If this guy was as bad to Kristen as like, she said, I mean, I don't know their history, but like, why are you all still friends with him? What Jax thinks is bad is not the culprit. I love the line where Jax was like, I fucked up, didn't I? It's like, everybody told you not to do it.

You did it anyway. Jax likes to hold onto emotional blackmail. He's like, I know that this is gonna bother her, so let me put that in the pocket and never lose their number just in case. That's what it feels like. I think he's morally bankrupt. Yeah, a thousand percent.

It's like a sociopathic energy. A thousand percent. Where they don't have that same response to human. Yeah, I don't think he understands good or bad. He just understands the tension that he is getting or not getting. He thinks he did good when there's a big reaction to whatever, whether it's positive or negative.

He's like, okay, I did my job reaction to whatever, whether it's positive or negative. He's like, okay, I did my job. And it's like, read between the lines. Seems like he just wants this to be a juicy show. Yeah. So he'll stir up whatever drama he needs to. Kyle Richards is commenting on Anne Marie's exit from Real Housewives.

What does she have to say? She said, I always feel bad when somebody comes in and doesn't have a great experience on the show. She didn't get to show all aspects of her life on the show. So, you know, it's hard. I feel bad and you know, she's great and she has a great family. It is what it is.

She has a beautiful family, so she will be fine. That great family part's a little messy. Is that like her throwing herself under the bus? Like being like, well, I may be on Housewives, she has a great family, so. Well, it's just like with everything going on with her husband. Yeah.

It didn't seem great. I don't know, listen, being a great TV maker and being a great person, two very different things. 100%. And I never met Anne-Marie, maybe she is a fantastic person, she's just one of the great housewives, it's fine. Fair. I'd rather be a better person than better at TV.

Yes. Yeah. I wish the person Anne better person than better at TV. Yes. Yeah, I wish the person Anne-Marie nothing but the best, but I'm glad the housewife Anne-Marie is off my TV screen. Yep, speak. You know? Too shy. Yeah, speak. That's all I gotta say.

Speaking of housewives, New York officially announced their upcoming cast. Is Luanne part of it? She updated her bio, or was that a preemptive April Fool's joke? Was that Luanne confusing, you know, March 29th with April 1st? She's like, I don't know.

You're missing two days of March. I don't know. But she updated her bio. Are you tired? She updated her bio a couple days ago. Is she on it? No? They say, all castmates from season 14 of Real Housewives of New York will return for the new season.

Jenna Lyons was originally rumored not to return, but she is. So do Anne is not on? Doesn't seem that way. Is it still in her bio? It is, but she also is the OG of Real Housewives of New York, so. So she's just saying.

I think she's just listing athletes. I was and have always been, like every. Yeah, Roni. Yeah, she put crappy like underneath it. But that would be like you having your bio the bachelor a bachelor alum I would sadly and embarrassingly most of my peers do have their but they put the season number Some of them do some of them don't even then Never done that I know I just I've never understood that. I know, I just, I've never understood why.

What does your bio say? Well, it's not much. I mean, it says Harry Styles fan account, says tolerant person. It's a bit outdated. I could update it. It's never said former bachelor or bachelor. I added vile files to my bio, am I a loser?

I heard it too, no. No, that's a real job. Okay. Yeah, we're doing things you should be proud of here. Okay. You know, like being the, I fell in love on TV. That's on Bachelor 2015, okay? I just not one for putting the,

like, cause it gets so outdated so fast, you know, when you're first on it and then like six months go by and you're the third most recent season. It's like, eh. I like it. Time to take it down. It's like Bachelor, Bachelor in Paradise. Yeah, some of them have them all.

Have all of them. Have every guest appearance and bachelorette season. Gypsy Rose and Ryan. The D is no longer fire. Aw. A lot of you all have asked me, us, what we think about that. I'm sad.

I have kept in touch with Ryan. When we interviewed them, we exchanged numbers and it was kind of like, hey man, if I can ever offer any advice or help. He has reached out for some advice, mostly like, and it was always advice for him and Gypsy, a lot to do with how to handle social media. She turned off her social media accounts

a couple weeks ago, you know, there's stuff like that. I haven't really kept that much in touch and we don't like, I mean, when Nellie and I had River, he did message me like a very nice congratulations and mentioned how like, I think when Nellie and I had River, he did message me a very nice congratulations and mentioned how I think him and Gypsy were hoping and trying to have children. So I don't, listen, they odds were stacked against them. People are like, oh, did you see this coming?

I don't, I mean, their relationship was always gonna be a challenge. You could argue that Gypsy, again, is living life for the first time ever. Everything is new to her. She went from being a prisoner of her abusive mother to be literally in prison, and now as a young 30-year-old woman,

she is experiencing most things for the first time, and she is figuring herself out. And yes, she did a terrible thing, but I don't know, I have a lot of empathy for what she went through. Most of us can't put ourselves in her shoes and know what it's like to be her. But when I met them, they seemed as sincere

as any other couple. Yeah, so like, oh, you saw that coming. Oh, okay, congratulations. You saw a, it's like saying, I saw a bachelor relationship breakup coming. No shit, this shit, like if Joey and Kelsey break up, which if you haven't been able to listen to that episode, go back and check it out, last week's going deeper.

But like sitting with Joey and Kelsey, honestly, I'm a believer. I think they could make it. They're doing the work. There seems to be a real connection there. Will they make it? I mean, if I had to bet today, like odds are they're not going to, you know?

Cause odds are every relationship that starts anywhere is hard enough, especially in 2024. Add to it the public figure aspect, add to it the fact that they have all this unnecessary pressure that they have to deal with that every other relationship doesn't deal with. It's one thing for, you know, Nick, the old bachelor to be like, hey guys, stay off Reddit,

stay off the internet, if I can give you any advice of them to actually do that, because it's easier said than done. Same thing with Gypsy and Ryan. So it's like, who the fuck knows? We can't understand what it's been like to go through what they're going through. So I'm sad that they ended it.

And then I get people like, oh, we saw that coming. It's like, fuck off. Did you feel good about that? Yeah, you know, my hope for them is that, like, it doesn't get messy, that it's just more like, eh, we tried and. A clean move through. It's just like, and again, it wouldn't shock me

if Gypsy, over the next couple years, tries and fails at a lot of, like, just personal identity. Who is she? You know, who am I? What am I about? What do I want to be? You know, she is trying to forgive herself for what happened. She is trying to get acceptance from the public. She has literally what 20 million followers over across platforms and she's not a like she's not a celebrity. A lot of people are following her out of like. They wanna see like what could happen. The fascination, the rootin' against her.

And like she doesn't probably even comprehend that because I didn't comprehend why certain people were following me. They're not all fans. Hate and love are synonymous. It's shit like that. So it's just a fucking, it's a lot. And so my heart goes out to both of them

and I hope they're doing okay. And are they off social right now? I haven't looked. I know that she was. I don't know if he was. Well, I hope so, because that would be really important to try to be. Yeah, it's kind of hilarious that she did announce it.

Like she turned out of her TikTok and Instagram, but like announced it on Facebook, like a true millennial woman. You know? Like a normal person. Like a normal person. Just like, hey neighborhood, what's going on? Just saying hi to the family.

Instead of the group text, I'm just kind of announcing it to the fam through a Facebook post. Wow. Yeah. But yeah, other than that, I just, I hope they're gonna, I hope they're doing okay. You know, obviously if Gypsy wants to come on the show and talk about it, you are welcome.

We shall see. But we wish them the best. Wish them the best. We certainly do. Yeah, do you think Lizzo is gonna come back to music? Yeah, apparently Lizzo quit yesterday. I think she'll be back online by Friday. Yeah, I think she's gonna come back.

I mean, she's too talented not to. Yeah, I, her, what she was gonna come back. I mean, she's too talented not to. Yeah. I, her, what she was quitting was vague. I wasn't sure if it was social media or just the music industry altogether. Yeah. It could have just been like, I quit like dealing with haters.

Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of the vibe I got. I do always get a kick out of the public figure announcing they're quitting social media online. You know, like you just. You just do it. You just stop posting. You just stop posting.

You just take a break. Take a little pause. I quit every two weeks. I feel like, I feel like. But they're always back on three days later. I feel like they do it for like some accountability because it's like if you didn't tell anyone you were pausing, you could like go off

and go back on like pretty quickly where, you know, if the world's watching, oh, or how long are they gonna take? I don't know, I feel like maybe it's a fail safe. Right. A little bit. Yeah. I'm also like, is it also like the, these come back? You know what I mean?

Yes, yes, yes. Make them think about how they've treated her. We're smarter than how we've treated you. Yeah. Yeah. Which is, we're off the heels of that speculation that Lizzo wasn't treating people so well. Very kind, yeah.

That kind of, who knows rather, that went, I don't know. Right, another day, another headline. I don't know. Tula, do you mind if we ask how are things with your fam? Fam is great. I am a aunt. I'm doing Auntie Life. Congratulations. My aunt, thank you. My auntie name is Auntie Whimsy. Love. My mom's name, her grandma's name is Yaya, and Scout, my sister's name is Auntie Lala.

Those are very important names so we all feel very excited about. I think that I'm more excited than anything because she, Luetta, she now recognizes me. I can see in her face, like when I, even on FaceTime, I'll FaceTime rumor in her and she goes from like kind of like still to like a full baby smile.

It's amazing. It's also giving me like crazy baby fever. And then you guys with the cute baby and it's like everyone in my kind of realm, I feel like is at that point of this is the next step in your life, which I'm so here for. I feel like it's a great, anything,

I just turned 30 like a month ago and I'm thrilled. I feel like 30 is the best thing that ever happened to me. Like you just, I don't know how old you guys are, but 30 is amazing. I enjoyed my 30s. I love the 30s because I know who I, I mean this is probably like so over said, but like I know who I am. This is probably like so over said, but like I know who I am.

And I also feel like I can just gather all that information and with like less self judgment and more self love, be able to just like make the right decisions in each moment versus 20s. I was like, I am a just naked baby, flailing in the world. You know what I mean? No, but we're good.

Everyone is good. You know, it's obviously, it's a hard time for us and with everything we have going on. And in that, there's so much support and connection between our family and my stepmom and my little sisters. I think if I'm counting correctly, our family and my stepmom and my little sisters. It's just, I think if I'm counting correctly, there's seven or eight strong female personalities that make up our little tribe.

He's the only male in that. And it's really interesting to see all the different generations of it altogether. Yeah, so it's good. And it's really nice also to feel like I'm in a place creatively where a lot of projects that I've been working on that felt very amorphous,

like, you know, you're working on something and you get really excited and you have a meeting and someone's like, I love this. This is great, this is genius and then you never hear from that person or you know I don't know how long this took to get off the ground. You got a lot of those meetings. You're like I am so I'm so hyped on this and I get so enthusiastic like I get so hyped like this is a great idea we're seeing it we'rehing. And then so many of those things would just kind of fall through. And now, around 30, around the new year, last year, things really started to create some traction.

So I have some cool writing stuff and producing stuff, all these different categories that I had never really been sunk my teeth into. That's so exciting. Killing it. I'm happier than I've ever been. I'm super in love, super happy. How'd you meet him? been sunk my teeth into. Yeah. That's so exciting. I feel I'm like happier than I've ever been. I'm super in love, super happy. How'd you meet him?

Hinge. Hinge love. Hinge love. Love Hinge. Oh, front of show. I really want to be sponsored. We are. Do you have a Hinge success story?

Literally love of my life. We're going to get married, met on Hinge. We met over the holidays and it was immediate. And I was flying back from Sun Valley and he was like, I'll pick you up from the airport. And I was like, all right, I'm meeting a stranger, whatever, like we'd FaceTimed a ton of times, but I landed LAX and he was at the baggage claim

and we walked up and just started smooching at the airport and he came over that night and slept over and then has never left. What was the prompt that got you? I super liked him. And then he had a photo with like the tint of like, like neon yellow, like star truce. And I was like, that's my favorite color. And then he responded and was like, I wore it just for you. And I was like, that's my favorite color. And then he responded and was like, I wore it just for you. And I was like, oh, okay. Quick.

Can we, you want a Hinge sponsorship? Honestly, I'm like, Hinge. If you're listening. If you're listening, I can't, I thank you every day at my house. I go, thank you Hinge for this joy. There you go. Success story right here.

It works. I love that for you. That's amazing. That is so great. He's from Buffalo. From Buffalo. Is a scout still dating the same wonderful man I met eight years ago?

They just broke up. Oh, fuck. No, she's single, mingling. I remember, she's mom energy, she's doing it. But no, they broke up, but it's good. It's like, everyone's good. Okay, it's fine. Everyone's good, she's doing it. But no, they broke up, but it's good. It's like, everyone's good. Everyone's good, everyone's great.

It's so nice to be with someone who isn't like LA tainted. You know what I mean? No, I do, literally. Like it's like, I grew up here, I've never left. So everyone, I'm like very jaded. I'm like, oh, everyone is, you know, and I don't go out. I'm sober, I don't like go to bars or anything. So it was really hinge or like complete loneliness

the rest of my life. Those were the two options. That is an ad. Yeah. That is an ad. Any other final thoughts before we let Tallulah go and we say goodbye? No, I think that was perfect.

Well, this has been so much fun. So much fun. Would you like to come back? I would love to come back. Yeah, we just. I'm gonna be so much more educated by the time I come back. I'm gonna know everyone's name.

You did a great job. I did? Okay, okay, thank you. We're just having non-serious conversations about non-serious shows, minus the P-Diddy stuff. Yeah, minus the very serious. Something in me all got very quiet and like held our voices. Like it was like, we don't make quips right now. Well, minus the P-Diddy stuff. That was very serious. Something and we all got very quiet and held our voices.

It was like, we don't make quips right now. Well, we all kinda grew up listening to the guy or following his career. Making the band. Making the band and all that shit. So, it's just, gotta get that right. Thanks to Elizabeth Wagmeister again for coming on and just walking us through that entire case.

Because like Elizabeth said, it sounds like there's much more to come. We will be following it very closely. Yeah, again, that whole R. Kelly of it all is that that's what blows my mind. And again, there's a lot of connections between P. Diddy and other artists, especially. And it's kind of like,

just because your friend is up to no good doesn't mean you necessarily were. But again, everyone knew R Kelly Was doing this right everyone and they were some very notable artists including Sean Diddy Combs That were publicly associated themselves with R Kelly during within that time. Yep So what the fuck? So that's all we'll say about that right now. But like, and again, like half of Hollywood

like went to his parties. Yeah. And if these alleged tapes are a thing, you know, who was having alleged sex with alleged sex workers? Who was forced to do things? Yeah, like was it like a, like there was the outer crest of people that were just there for a good time.

Holy shit, I'm gonna pop daddy's party. And then there's like the inner crust of like, no, we know where the bad shit goes down. You know what I mean? And so maybe that's like that weird thing where it's like, well, I went to a party, like, am I culpable? It's like, I think you'd know.

You know. You know if you did some stuff that you shouldn't be doing. I wonder who Elizabeth was mentioning was deleting photos. I know, I know. I'm sure someone will let us know. I mean, that was a wild fact too, just knowing that people did come to see- Oh shit, gotta delete that one.

But like people coming to anybody's defense at any time and just no one has said anything in defense of Diddy, like that is so telling. They're like waiting to see probably how much information that people have. That actually, sometimes when shit happens online or in Batra Nation, I remember when shit went down with Chris Harrison, everyone was like,

oh, the silence is deafening. It's been two hours, I'm still sleeping, I haven't been on my phone yet, chill the fuck out. Chris Harrison never talked the most of the cast. Like most people didn't know, hadn't said two words to Chris Harrison. Right. A little different than anything

of the Bachelor or whatever. But yeah, like sometimes it's like, oh, speak up. It's like, holy fucking shit. Like I don't live on the internet, but when weeks go by and Puff Daddy literally made your career and you have nothing to say, that's interesting. Yeah, that's something for us to know.

I would say so. I would say so. Anything else you wanna plug? Your following? Where do you follow Tallulah? Oh, you follow me at B-U-U-S-K-I, Booski, on Instagram. Yeah, it's just one and done, IKI, Booski, on Instagram. Yeah, it's just one and done, I'm just Booski. All right, anyways, more to discuss.

On Thursdays Going Deeper, we have the very sweet, very, very endearing Daisy Kent with us on Going Deeper. And my dear friend JoJo Siwa is with us also to kick things off in the episode to talk about her new music, which is turning heads and making waves. So, excited to talk with JoJo about that. That's this week on Going Deeper,

and then next week, ooh, it's a good one. So good. That's all I'm gonna say. That's all I'm gonna say. The episode has been recorded, it's done. I still don't wanna tease it quite yet. All right, well until then, don't forget to send in

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