The Viall Files - E732 RR - Gypsy Rose, Caitlin Clark, VPR, Summer House, and The Valley with Zack Wickham

Episode Date: April 9, 2024

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap Edition! Today, we are joined by The Valley’s Zack Wickham to chat about all things reality television. First, we talk about how Zack spent the weekend moving his long term friend Brittany Cartwright into her new place. We then talk about Nick and Natalie’s date night before talking about Gypsy Rose separating from Ryan and getting tattoos with her ex. We also talk about the NCAA Championship and the affect that Caitlin Clark has had in this past season. Next, we recap Summer House and then Vanderpump Rules. Finally, we talk about The Valley and get Zack’s insider perspective on the cast and the most recent episode - and even hear what we can expect next episode and for the remainder of the season.  “Brittany can only do so much, there is no growth.”  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: ZOA Energy - Available online and at a store near you. Find out where you can find it at https://www.ZOAEnergy.com and fine retailers like Amazon, 7-Eleven, Costco, Circle K and more. Vessi Footwear - Elevate your spring wardrobe travel with Vessi’s StormBurst shoes. Discover more at https://www.vessi.com/VIALL Get your pair today to get an automatic 15% off your first purchase at checkout and be ready to step out in style, rain or shine. Shopify - Sign up for a one-dollar-per-month trial period at https://www.SHOPIFY.COM/viall  ALL LOWERCASE. Skylight Frames - As a special, limited-time offer for our listeners, get 15% off your purchase of a Skylight Frame when you go to https://www.SkylightFrame.com/FILES  Lume Deodorant - As a special offer for listeners, new customers GET 15% ALL Lume products with our exclusive code - and if you combine the 15% off with the already discounted starter pack, that equals over 40% off their Starter Pack! Use code VIALL for 15% off your first purchase at https://www.LumeDeodorant.com  Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @zackwickham @nnataliejjoy @ciaracrobinson @alison.vandam @justinkaphillips @leahgsilberstein @dereklanerussell Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 11:55 - Moving Brittany 19:59 - Nick and Natalie Date Night 28:49 - Gypsy Rose and Ryan 35:46 - Divorces 42:24 - Caitlin Clark 53:05 - Summer House 01:08:11 - Vanderpump Rules 01:26:39 - The Valley 02:09:04 - Outro 

What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another explosive episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick. Joined by the household, we have Allie, and wherever the fuck are you these days? Same place she always is. I've been in the same place. Just checking, could be an AI background. And who knows? You could be anywhere. You could be lying about it.

I don't know. I just move this painting wherever I go. That's how I would think of it. Literally, you could be anywhere. I bring it to the airport, I'm like, this is my personal item. Don't need my boss to know where I am. We the airport, I'm like, this is my personal item. Don't need my bus to know where I am.

We have Sierra, we got Leia, we got Sweet, Sweet, Sweet, Boy, I'm sorry, Scooter, also formerly known as Leia, Scoots, McGoots, and Sweet Boy, Justin, they're actually sharing a little- We're sharing our brains. Yeah, because we have so many voices these days and our special guest today, Zach. Very special special Zach. What's your last name? Wow? I'm so glad you did your research for this one. No, it's a we only know about characters by first name on reality TV

No, that's fine. It's Zach Wickham. Were you introduced as your last name or was it just Zach on the valley? Wickham I don't actually don't know if they My fault, it's fucking Bravo Wickham. I actually don't know if they... See, that's not my fault. It's fucking Bravo's fault. I guess they're putting credits. Yeah, they definitely wouldn't say your last names, do they? Yeah, they just say our first. And Sarah's like, Zach, from the Valley is available to come on.

I said Zach Wickham. It's on the schedule. Did you? Well, Zach, we welcome you. Welcome to the show. We're so good to have you. We have so many questions about you in the Valley. Thank you also for me being your first valley guest.

Yeah. You're welcome. You are welcome. Yeah. And I'm loving the valley. So I have a lot of questions. Timely episode for you to be on. I think so.

Boy, you really, boy. Wait, what episode? I've seen one episode further. You're at the dinner. You're at the Italy dinner. The way Jesse says, Capri. You were involved in a conversation You're at the Italy dinner. The way Jesse says, Capri. You were involved in a conversation that was about the R word.

So that's heavy. Okay, maybe let's specify race. Race, racism. How many R words? Yeah, there's a couple. There's one more. There's a lot. There's one really big one.

Either way, yeah, you were in the fires, so to speak. Yeah, well, I mean, I feel like the episode kind of portrayed everybody's feelings about that getting brought up. I don't think anybody would have wanted to discuss that. We'll get into it with you when we get into the valley. We are excited to have you, Zach Wickham. What did everyone do this weekend? Any fun stuff?

Went to the Laker game last night. Ooh, I've been telling Nick I want to go to NBA game. I'm also here. I know he didn't introduce me, but I am also here for everyone listening. How are you? Yeah. You just brazed right over me.

So. Oh, my love of my life. Yes, yes, of course. Mother of my child. Yes. Soon to be wife. Soon to be wife, yeah. This is him showing his empathy.

Right, exactly. That's love. Exactly, you understand. Just jump right over me. You were just like, baby, we gotta get going, gotta get going. I gotta work out. You know, that's what you were saying. And then he forgot about you.

Literally. Yeah. It's okay. I wanted to talk about our date night, that's why. What did everyone do this weekend? That's what I was so excited to talk about. It was about you. Okay, well then go wanted to talk about our date night, that's why. What did everyone do this weekend? That's what I was so excited to talk about. It was about you. Okay, well then go ahead.

How was our date night? No, how was everyone's weekend? My weekend was fantastic. I went to brunch on Saturday. Thank you, Sierra. Yeah, it was fantastic. I had an aparelle spritz. I'm going to France in a month or two, end of May.

So I went to- Which one is it, a month or is it in two months? Sir. I'm just saying I went to a French restaurant to feel like in the ambiance. Did you ask for time off? Yeah. Oh, I told him. I told him when he hired me.

Oh, by the way, I have a trip in three months to France. I'm just kidding. That's better than what I did. I'm sweating. That's better than what I did. I said, hi, I'm pregnant. Yeah. If you don't hire me, that's discrimination?

As soon as I hired her, she's like, and by the way, what's your policy on paternity? Which one is it? Maternity. Nick, Natalie, how was your weekend? Thank you for asking. Jess, what'd you do this? Oh.

There. Is everyone okay? Looks at Natalie. Justin, you're asking. I heard a Derek too. Thanks for asking. Zach, how was your weekend? My weekend was pretty great.

What'd you do? I spent the entire, most of the weekend with Brittany. Brittany. Cartwright. Cartnight. She's got a last name. Cartwright. Well, a lot of people don't know, thanks to Bravo.

It's like Brittany, you know, Spears or. Bridget Jax. Don't you think that this, like, you know, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like,wright. Well, a lot of people don't know, thanks to Bravo. It's like Britney Spears or... Brit Jax?

Don't you think at this day and age that, especially for how many seasons they've been on or whatever, however long a show's on, why don't they just put our social tags under it too? So it's usually your first and last name. Wait, I feel like I just saw that on... Was it Summerhouse? Does Summerhouse do that? Summerhouse puts their jobs under it, which I think is super saw that on, was it Summerhouse? Did Summerhouse do that? Summerhouse puts their jobs under it, which I think is super weird.

It is weird. Like, one of them was influencer. I was like, okay. Yeah, that's Lindsay this season. Lindsay has influencer? Lindsay, no, she's probably an influencer this season. That's her job title. Yeah.

I just think also putting your job titles like that is weird. Former publicist, they should put. Truly. It should all be former. You're on a show. We're not stupid. That's not true. Like Paige is doing lots of things. Podcaster. Yeah, but you're doing lots of things, but that's like not really what defines you. Like it makes sense for her on like the back.

What the fuck do you do, Zach? I'm an influ- no, I'm just kidding. I definitely do not influence. I feel like, no, I do social media and PR. What does that mean? That means when I find people that need help with their social media. What were you doing before Jax Taylor showed up in your door and said, hey, I'm trying to make a TV show. Do you want to be on it? He's known Britney since... I've known Britney since college. So Britney got you on. He's a Kentucky boy. But what were you doing before...

I was an executive personal assistant for... On and off for six years. And then also did social media management for multiple celebrities. And yeah, kind of was just in that world. So you said you went to college with Britney in Kentucky. We... So I met her right as I graduated college. You've known her for a long time. Yeah, I've known her for like,

wait, I don't wanna say it. That's okay, hate yourself, go ahead. I've only known her for two years, thank you. I just graduated. Right. So you were friends with her when she met Jax. Yeah. And like, where were you on the like,

hey, red flag, you know, heads up. I mean, I don't think- Like, I don't know if this is your guy. Well, I- No? I didn mean, I don't know if this is your guy. Well, I know I didn't I hadn't experienced him. I didn't know anything about it. Well, no, like back then, I truly did not know who he was. I didn't know anything about his actual character. Gotcha. Yeah, he's this person on TV that acts bigger than life.

But like, I didn't have any substance behind it or knew anything. And all he was doing is treating Brittany great at the beginning. Okay. All right. Did you go back and watch any of Vanderpump when she was like, I'm dating this guy, he's on this TV show? Or were you like, hold on, let me do a little research. I didn't do it while, when she told me that she was dating this guy.

It was once, because I was actually already moving to LA and she met Jax and then three months later was like, oh wait, I'm moving to LA. Cause I was getting my masters in business and was, I like to drop that sometimes. Cashew, as you should, I love it. Did you get your masters in business? I did graduate with it.

So I did, I do- Two years ago, remember. Oh yeah, I'm too young to have a master, sorry. How old are you? 24, duh. Never asked an age. Are you? I don't know. No, I'm 37. Oh, God damn.

Good for you. Oh my God. Just kidding. Now my career's over, great. Well, you're full head. Done, I just checked. You're full head, your hair is so full that the internet has questioned its authenticity.

Okay, I'm not gonna lie. This is... He's like... No, I'm gonna go through the studio and each one of you are gonna tuck on my hair. Take the hat off. I will, well I will when... He's got a headband on. Yeah, I will eventually.

Okay. Okay Sheena. I'm not wearing... Oh my god, you did just pull a Sheena. Take your hat off. Take your fucking hat off, right? I'm gonna bully you until you take your hat off. I am.

I'm sorry. Also. I just suggested. Nick is Sheena. Nick is Sheena. I didn't say. Oh my God, Ali, clip it. Nick is Sheena.

Also, did he not just start the podcast by saying he was empathetic and then he's like, take your damn hat off now. Literally. Show me the hair plugs. Show me the toupee. Show me the toupee. The hair plugs.

This was your opportunity to brag about your full head of hair. I'm gonna. Let's hear it. I'm assuming it's nothing but gorgeous. Well. Volume. I mean, the thing is, it's just, it's very coarse and kind of unmanageable.

Blink twice if you don't wanna keep talking about it. You can move on. No, it's like kind of my thing. I think that's what I need to like run with right now. You have a great head of hair. Yeah, but also I've gotten this kind of throughout my life. I think once I was like 18 and then went into corporate and stuff,

people would, every once in a while, still bring up that it's a wig. And I'm like, I don't get it. But I knew that some people would say it. I just didn't realize the amount of people that would just be like, oh no. And here's comparisons to a Lego man and to this and to... And I was like, I was like, well, it doesn't not look like that. So I was like...

You're like, wait, I kind of agree. No, I will say in that first confessional, let me just put this to rest too. I was supposed to film the next, like not that day that we actually filmed it. I was supposed to film the next day and I had a haircut set and you're not supposed to get your hair cut or change your hair during the season. My hair grows too fast. So I hadn't like cut my hair at all.

And I was like, I look crazy. I knew I looked crazy. I had been wearing a hat the past couple of weeks of filming and which you'll see, but then they changed my date and I couldn't get my hair cut anymore. And I was like, guys, I begged production. I begged production. This was going to be my first confessional interview too. And I was like, guys, like I have my hair cut set for this, blah, blah, blah.

Please don't do this to me. And they were like, no, like, I have my hair cut set for this, blah, blah, blah, please don't do this to me. And they were like, no, like, you've, please, ugh. And I was like, and of course because I'm... As soon as you start letting production know what's important to you, they'll do the opposite. Well, I know. Well, and like, you're in season one, you're not trying to, you know, be a diva and whatever. So I was like, okay, fine, I'll move it, whatever.

And now I regret it immediately. You like get back to production, you're like, look what you've done. But I also told them, I was like, I'm gonna have a haircut for the next confessional, so it's not gonna look the same. And in next week's episode, you're gonna be like- Completely different?

Completely different, because it's cut. That is so funny. Yeah. Well, period. So therefore debunked, it is his real hair. And I will let you all tug on it at the end so you can like see it. Like I don't, someone said, show us your scalp. I'm like, I don't, sure. I was like, but even if I do, I know none of y'all are going to believe me.

You're going to be like, Taylor Swift. We got to yank on it. I blame Taylor Swift. She has created, everybody is now a conspiracy theorist because of her. Because she actually, she always- You don't blame Taylor Swift? Because she actually had Easter eggs that she started. And when her fans caught onto that,

now they think everything is truly an Easter egg. I'm like, no guys, not everything is a conspiracy theory. I don't know. I don't know if I want to blame Taylor Swift for all the crazy conspiracy theorists in our country, but. No, not, oh, well, you know what? That was terrible. And you're gonna keep that in because I said that, great.

But not all of them, but like, I think when it comes to like reality or like music and stuff. But back to what you're doing this weekend, before we get into our date night. Oh yeah, sorry. You helped Britney move from Jack. So like, reconciliation doesn't seem to be in their future.

My thing is, I don't like to talk on other people's relationships, but what I will say from my perspective as being her best friend, being there from the beginning and seeing what I've seen behind closed doors and in front of cameras, at this point, he is not doing, she has set out a list of things you need to do, which by the way are basic things, like basic, basic things. Being faithful, is that in there? Honestly, like, is it even working at this point?

Like he hasn't had sex with her in so long and I don't think he, like, let's be real, Brittany has all his passwords, you know what I mean? Like there is no secrets in this marriage and I think he would be, that would be stupid if he had cheated, but also, I mean? Like there is no secrets in this marriage. And I think he would be that would be stupid if he had cheated. But also, I mean, I don't think Brittany would care at this point. She'd be like, whatever, you're not doing any of these things. That's the bottom of what are some of the things we'll just go to therapy.

Like, let's do a couple. But also he needs like not just couples therapy to like see to work on that individual therapy, get like you have he has got to work on himself and just do small things, like close the cabinets. Like it's just, or don't yell at her. Actually just don't yell at her. Like that's one too, like calm down sometimes. Read my text messages. Like she will sit him. Read my text messages.

Like she will sit him. View my Instagram story. No. Oh, is that your all saying? I don't close cabinets and I am not stalking her Instagram stories. Oh wow, so. Sorry, you just unlocked something.

I was like Pandora just came out great. Sorry guys. The trauma in our relationship. Spilling out, sorry. I'm like, did you see my story? He's like, it's like still from three days ago, like lingering. You mean 23 hours? Well, you know, if it could be three days, it would be three days.

But see, you could set up alerts for that, you know? You could turn your notifications on for me. I could. I could. See? I'm here to solve problems. Thank you so much. How's Britney's new place?

It is the coolest. Why did Britney have to move out and not Jax? Because Jax is Jax and he is, he's never gonna do what is nice or easy or best for Britney, which really sucks. He's a piece of shit. He, I can't get out of his own way and can't learn from his mistakes and it's really sad to see someone that I do care about. I do care about him and I want the best for him. And I don't know if that's them together. Do you think Jax cares about anybody?

I think Jax does care about people, but the problem is he doesn't. How? See, you're right. This is a pressure cooker. No, I'm just genuinely curious. Like does he care about people? I think in his own way, he does show people he cares sometimes,

but unfortunately, there are so many more bad times. But like, you know, Tom Sandoval shows people he cares by like picking them up at the airport. Or like giving them gifts. Yeah. Like, paying, didn't get Sheena like $10,000 or something. Yeah, like-

He loves to Venmo people. I will say Thomas definitely does. But it's not for free, you know? It's not... It's to feel good, you know? To look good. Does Jax do anything like that? No, and he would hold it against you.

If he gave you a gift, he'd be like, I gave you that. I see that, yeah. He's one of those, yeah. He's like, well, I paid your rent four years ago, so you owe me you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah that does suck But at the same time like he does have he is a great guy in a lot of ways and he The one thing I will hands down say is he's a great dad. Okay, so did Brittany move out with Cruz or is Cruz? Well, they're in the house there isn't part of being a great dad

doing a Well, they... Staying in the house. Isn't part of being a great dad doing, you know, just like doing all the things as a partner and... Not being a shitty person to the baby's mom. Yeah. I mean, we all agree that that is what it should be. I think even he would agree. I don't know why he can't do it. Like the thing is, you can only have so many chances in life.

And I think Brittany, seeing especially the last three years have just been so, I don't want to say dehumanizing, but like kind of dehumanizing to her. She has had to endure so much. And like the thing is she is such a great human and tries so hard to see the best in people and not change people, but give them the opportunity to grow and be better. That is such a special thing that you don't see in people and not change people, but give them the opportunity to grow and be better.

That is such a special thing that you don't see in people. But she can only do it so much and we've gotten to the point or he's gotten to the point where there isn't any growth. This is what it is. This is what it is. But they're on their own timeline and I would never speak on if they're divorcing or if they're set because that is them and I that's up to her. But so she got another month. You know what I mean? It's another

month that she because she just rinse by the month. She's on a month a month. Yeah. So she so Cruz is just staying at Cruz goes back and forth. So she'll because he has speech there. You know, he has all of his things and now he's in soccer Yeah, it's on Instagram. I was like wait am I spoiling something? No, he's in soccer is so cute And so they you know, they go to that on Sunday Also people keep coming at Brittany for being with Jackson like Easter or are being with Jackson this or that it's like they share a child together

And businesses and like people are like it's weird that they're trying to do the podcast okay i'm sorry but i mean honestly though how what what like if you two are you guys married uh okay so like let's say you get married and then divorce how cool would it be to have a divorce podcast you know what i mean i feel like the How cool would it be to have a divorce podcast? You know what I mean? I feel like the- A divorce podcast. Again, I guess, sure. But I mean, but it's your, it's money.

It wouldn't last very long, I would say that. It would start getting messy. I don't know how long it'll last with them going back and forth and figuring it out. Just like at some point, like real emotions come into play, you know, and, you know, a lot like Ariana this week, sometimes you just like feel how you feel. And like, you know, a lot like Ariana this week, sometimes you just like feel how you feel. And like, you know, there's the human side of an actual relationship, even the public

facing ones that, you know, we work together. And it's just like, yeah, I guess in a perfect world. Sure. But like, it makes you question the authenticity when they are seamlessly still working together. Well, I promise you, it is not seamless. I was like, okay, I was you, it is not seamless. I believe it. I was like, it is not seamless at all. There is silence in the car, you know, whatever.

It's like, okay, let's get this done because it's business. And then, yeah. So what was, I mean, was it her being like, here's a list of things I need you to do, and he's like, I can't do any of that, or was there a specific thing that broke the camel's back? Well, for her, there was a specific moment where he was

just like, it was just another tirade and another whatever. Brittany will actually clear it up later. But it was just, and she just finally, she's even said before, the veil was lifted. And then, because even when they've gotten in fights or they've had issues, she's always been 100% fully in love with him and tries to see the best and work through it. And they also have a child, so, you know. But all of a sudden that veil was lifted and she's finally seen what I see.

And I'm like, wait, wait, you see that too? This isn't an oper... I'm like, oh my God, thank God. And now Brittany is, I've never seen Brittany so happy in like years. Free. So free. Like we got to her, the Airbnb, which by the way, it was like so cool. And it's like a smart house and all this stuff.

And we just started like singing songs and she was just so happy. And I just haven't seen her be genuinely truly happy in so long. It sounds like Jax Taylor is like the wicked witch of the West, you know? It sounds like he sucked the life out of her. Do we drop a house on him? That's what I'm saying.

You know, it's just like. I was like, what legally can we drop on him? Well, Natalie and I had a great date night. That's that. Worst on love, in case anyone was wondering. Love that, love that for you. Where'd you go? Well, Natalie, to her credit, said,

would you like to go on a date with me this weekend? Oh, I thought you asked her. Yeah, well. Well, Natalie, it was Natalie's idea. Okay. Then Natalie informed me that that's where her job had ended. Yes, of course. Love that. I suggest, suggest and you do the rest.

And then she's like, and I was like, oh, where are we going? She goes, oh, no, no, no, no, no. Wine and diners are the planet. So we went to, is it Boulevard Steak? Boulevard Steak, yes. It's a new place in the Valley. If one more person goes to Boulevard Steak, I swear to God, it's Brittany's favorite restaurant now.

It's a nice- No, it's great. It's a good vibe. It just opened. I don't know if it's her favorite restaurant yet, that's for sure. But it's a nice little vibe. I love love. Well, and I think Janet's actually friends with... The one I got a polagia's with her. Yeah, it's a wonderful little vibe.

And then I got her flowers, preceding our date. I know, that was so cute. He sent me flowers and said, excited for our date. Yeah. Aw, see that's how you keep the love alive. We flew her mom in to babysit just for the date. No, I mean, we did fly her mom in to help babysit. Cause we're taking the show on the road.

Next week we'll be recording in Coachella. Yeah. And we had a nice little celebration of our first date out. Post-kid. Yeah, talked to her, I love. Did you open the door for her? Yeah, I did. Even after the date.

Well, I definitely opened the door to put you in the car after dinner. After dinner, yeah. I didn't do it before. Not leaving the house, no. You had to move your car, because you had work behind me. Yeah, that's okay.

And Nick didn't want to take his car. It's the whole thing. He said it was too dirty. Yeah, it's, ew. He didn't want to take his car. It's a whole thing. He said it was too dirty. Yeah, it was. He didn't want to put me in a dirty car. I wanted her to look, you know, I wanted her to feel pretty. I also went tuxedo, tuxedo?

Tuxedo? I went tuxedo shopping this weekend for the wedding. Did you find what you're looking for? I mean, we are on absolute crunch time. And I was like, you don't have anything to wear to our wedding. Well, well, that's not true. I have multiple tuxedos

You've got cowboy boots. Yeah, he was gonna eat this man He does have cowboy boots. Are you gonna allow that? Oh our welcome party is country chic I'm like bring out the bolo ties, give me the suede, cowboy hat. That's why I got the cowboy boots I'm not supposed to be wearing them to the wedding. I've worn them every day since I got them. Every day. Literally. I'm not wearing them today Shocked. How do your feet feel? Oh my God, like shame me. Why don't you? I told Nick the other morning,

he was getting ready for work. And I said, why don't you pick something unpredictable? Okay. My brain broke. Yeah, he was like, I don't know what that means. It's like a robot.

That's amazing. I love that. I saw that you styled him. I've been trying. Impressive. For the past four years. No. Is she finally letting you?

No, I've been letting her. For the past four years. You look great. I've gotten out of the skinny jeans. By the way, you should try getting out of the skinny jeans, Erin. These aren't really skinny. They're not, not skinny.

I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Is that what I do to you? I was like, and these are not skinny jeans. They're not skinny. They're like a bootcut and those are not a bootcut. Yes They are skinny jeans. These are most definitely a bit. I don't fit in skinny jeans. I have massive calves I have I have big thighs too, buddy Those are skinny jeans That those are skinny jeans, what are they they're not bootcut. you talking about? I mean, I will- Are you dying on this hill? That those are skinny jeans? What are they?

They're not boot cut. Yes, they're boot cut jeans. I think they're boot cut. What is that? I could put boots under the ankle. What does the ankle look like? Yeah, let's see the ankle. Why don't you leave him alone?

Leave him alone. Take your hat off. Leave him alone. Take your shoes off. Literally, y'all are attacking my friend Zach and y'all need to relax. Everything about you is terrible. Attacking. I'm just saying, I just pointed out that they're skinny jeans.

Anyways, I got Nick out of skinny jeans because he would fucking not. He would not. I was in skinny jeans for like 15 years. The Chelsea boots, the skinny jeans, it was horrible. Yeah, see, like this is in skinny because you can, skinny would be like, those would be skinnier. Yes, yes. No, there's not a skinnier jeans section.

It's skinny, it's straight cut. There's no skinny skinnier. No, there's not a skinnier or a jean section. It's skinny, it's straight cut. There's no skinny skinnier. Yes there are. Oh boy. Wow. Anyways. Now he has gotten me out of skinny jeans. Which I recommend to all middle-aged men.

Yeah. Because chances are, if you're wearing skinny jeans now, you probably just got into them five years ago. You're like, you finally got into the skinny jeans. Finally, you were like proud of yourself because you used to wear bootcut jeans. I'm talking about my friends who live in Wisconsin. I was like, my boyfriend still wears bootcut jeans

or like wider leg than I like. Wider's back. I've got Nick in like the baggiest of baggies. Did you? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's so freeing. Oh my God, love.

Well? It's relaxing, it's comfortable. You know, I seem less uptight. I really hate skinny jeans anyway. Like it reminds me of Silver Lake and like hipsters and it just has like that certain connotation to me. Okay. Always.

And I've never. I hate them. Not, I guess I don't hate hipsters. I'm just saying like I hate... Wow, here again. Let's just add to the list. Okay. Reasons. What? Great.

Anyways, Nick went tug shopping and finally, finally, finally got something to wear to our wedding. I... It's Nellie's fault, but I spent way more than I anticipated. Do you like how you looked? I think so. Yes. It's just like the... I splurged. Yeah. I've always wanted a Tom Ford something. That's fantastic.

Can't go wrong with that. Yeah. And I will say, you know, I'm not, you know, I'm not a big hunter-gatherer, you know. I'm not a fisherman, you know. I don't care. I don't give a fuck about cars. But I feel my most masculine when I'm rocking a good tuxedo or suit. Like I like a suit. I'm very particular with my suits. Like I like a good, you know. Like a GQ moment. Like a 007.

Yeah, like I have preferences. I know about them. You know, I like a good tailor. I like that moment when your tailor's like talking to you and getting, you know, it's like, I think it's the time where a guy can look and hear me out here. I think every guy wants to look dashing. And I think if you're a guy and a girl like, and you're out at a party and a lady is kind of like, oh my God, he's just so, I don't know what it is. It's like he's dashing. Like she wants to fuck you.

Only if she says dashing. If she says any other word, dapper. Don't even fucking think about it. Dapper or whatever, but I think dashing is a compliment women often don't use and they save it for when they don't know how to describe a guy who walks into a room. Guys are like, do you want a Netflix and chill? Girls are like, you dashing man.

No, because no woman is going to say that about a guy who says do you want a Netflix and chill? But when he walks into a party, like fucking suit it up and he's like kind of not paying attention to you and he's looking dashing, you're like, who is that guy in the corner? If I've ever used that adjective in my life. I also have not, no.

Yeah, never. I don't live in Bridgerton era. You don't like dashing. If you were, what compliment would you? Handsome? Yeah, it's like so basic. No, you wouldn't use handsome. Yes, I do. Well, you're saying it would be better than handsome.

I'm a fucking idiot. What am I now? I like a good suit. Anyways, I splurge a little bit. But I feel like it's only fair because I am splurging on a fucking wedding dress that I'm only going to wear once. He can wear this tux a million times over,

but how many times can I pull up my wedding dress? Once. I feel like you could pull it out more. It just might be weird. Turn some heads. Yeah. Unless you're like, going to Boulevard St. in my wedding dress.

So I shouldn't want to look dashing. Dashing is not the goal. No, might be weird. Turns of heads. Yeah. Unless you're like, go to Boulevard Stake in a wedding dress. So I shouldn't wanna look dashing. Dashing is not the goal. No, of course. No, we know that. Now I know to say that to you when you put it on. Well, I don't need, no, I'm not. I'm just forced. Natalie at the first look, she's like dashing.

But my question to you, Nick, is what happened to the pinstripe suit that was your big splurge a couple years ago? I know, exactly. I thought about this morning on the way to work. It's just like, this is twice, this was more than that. This was a lot. But you've never even worn that one again. This I definitely can wear again.

Yeah, Nick splurged on Ben Higgins on the wedding. It was post pandemic, is there like first weekend out. He was really excited. I hadn't spent anything, I hadn't gone clothes shopping in over a year. And I was like, well, you know. I bought something that like you really can't wear more than once. His critic said he looked like, what's that skeleton man?

Jack Skellington. Yes. It was a loud pinstripe moment. Oh. Yeah. But it was cute. It was a moment. It had some Tom Sandoval probably would have worn it.

He probably would have gotten called skeleton too. But he would have worn it not to it. He would have worn it. He probably would've gotten called Skeleton too. But he would've worn it like not to, he would've worn it to like sir. But this one, I can. Well, you know who's not married? Gypsy Rose and Ryan. Well, technically I think they are. Well, they're getting divorced.

And he is finally. It's getting messy. Yes, and he posted a TikTok. Well, before he posted the TikTok, it was like right after we recorded going deeper, Gypsy was getting a matching tattoo from her ex fiance. What's his name? Ken?

Ken. Ken. Ken. They got a matching dolphin tattoo? Was that what it is? Because they love the ocean. I feel like a dolphin tattoo. Got inked at a shop in Los Angeles.

Is the tattoo version. Wait, what? They were in LA? They were here. The former loves got matching dog designs. Dog? Oh. That's a dog? Oh no.

The source told TMZ it was a dog design. Can we see the tattoo? Husky dog, that's what it was. Husky dog. I thought it was like a dolphin. Oh, I see now. Oh yeah. Oh, it does have the curve of a dolphin. Husky dog? I thought it was like a dolphin. Oh, I see now. Oh, it does have the curve of a dolphin. Yeah, it does look a little bit like a dolphin upside down.

It has a dolphin. It's supposedly a symbol for their strong bond. Okay, so strong that he broke up with her when she was in prison and she got married to someone else. But then they found their way back to each other. I guess. What do we think? It's getting messy. And then there was a report out there. Gypsy said that she was afraid he was going to hit her. He didn't. But that happened in the past with her mother.

So her instinct was to something. But I'm just saying the point being is that a source told People magazine that But I'm just saying the point being is that a source told People magazine that She was in fear that he might hit her and that's why they needed to Break up. Mm-hmm. And I don't know. I mean this might be a hot take but it's a little uh, I don't know I feel like it's it's just not nice I guess to like put out there that this guy might potentially be violent if he hasn't been like it's not confirmed It's literally in the wording of that. He she felt like he might which I feel like be violent if he hasn't been. Like, it's not confirmed. It's literally in the wording of that he, he, she felt like he might.

Which I feel like... It also sounds a lot like he didn't. Exactly. Exactly. I also feel like it's a lot of her past just projecting. And not actually, you know, like, I think she just maybe wasn't, she's not ready to be with anyone because she has so much to work on.

For sure. And it's like, she's obviously not, I mean, how could you be like healed from these years and years and years of abuse? But it's like maybe like that's, you just need to maybe continue to work on yourself. Well, the next day after that report came out, Ryan quickly went to the internet to not say much, but simply said, you know, the kind of the truth will come

out, so to speak. Like the. I guess they've been filming like every day on Lifetime, kind of like a reality TV show, Life After Prison, or something, I think. Yeah, which sounds like it's going to be entertaining. I completely agree with you, like I said last week, look, you know, as far as Gypsy is concerned,

like it's all kind of makes sense that she's kind of figuring herself out. The only problem now is now, listen, like Tom Sandoval, so to speak, or I guess anyone in a relationship, now her actions of her figuring herself out are involving other people. Like Ryan, who we got to meet when we interviewed Gypsy.

When that whole interview was set up, we were asked to have Ryan on, which we were very curious to do because obviously we wanted to learn about Gypsy's relationship. Ryan was part of that whole press tour. Ryan was thrusted into the spotlight. I mean, I guess there's an argument he made

that he forced himself on, you know, like it was all him. I don't know, man, I guess that's always possible. But like now he's receiving a lot of, you know, now he's being accused of things that he didn't do, but it's, you know what I'm saying? Like they literally said he didn't do it. So there is that. And then you have Ken, you know Ken in it, who would like,

he's sure, when we interviewed Gypsy and Ryan, sure sounded like a guy who was in it for the attention, who reached back out after she was getting out of prison. I mean, she said he, while they were together, she was like, I guess, shopping online and would send clothes or things she bought for like once she got out of prison to Ken's house while they were still together She sent a bunch of stuff to his house and she was like he will not give me my stuff

Like he's holding it hostage to like see me again. She's like it's so like, you know, they were super offended by it Well, it's just like, you know first day we found out that gypsy and Ryan are not together and what felt like The next day or maybe it was literally the next day, she's out with Ken, getting matching tattoos. All she, you know, she's also got a, she's got a rhinoplasty nose job done. She's been very busy. I just hope she finds like a good group of like girlfriends because I feel like she's getting a lot of her,

it had to navigate through this world by like dependency on a male counterpart. And I'm not really seeing any like females in her life that are giving her some sound advice. She did say that she's pretty close with her stepmom during that interview, so I would hope that maybe her family is stepping up in that way, because they did that whole welcome home party with her when she got out, but we'll see. But I do think, yeah, I agree.

I think you need more than them. I think you need unbiased, obviously her family has been very much involved in this whole thing So it's like maybe someone coming in with a fresh, but it's getting messy But when you go through so much trauma like that, I feel like of course It's gonna be messy like she's gonna be messy for years to come So we really think that Ken was gonna be forever like the way she defended it so much or the way they defended it so much I'm social or Ryan was that the one sorry Ryan's her husband yeah sorry Ryan I mean either I guess right but when she like defended him so much it's like mmm I

feel like when you have to go on the defensive of a relationship already it's already doomed I did reach out to Ryan you know and and just cuz he's the only number I have and I just was asking if How's he doing? He mentioned he's not doing well, you know Yeah, he didn't really elaborate on anything else and kind of said as much to me about like all will be revealed Tune in and see but mentioned that emotionally he's down bad I still wish everyone the best especially gypsypsy, but she is starting to make decisions, at least that come across as maybe kind of cavalier to everyone else in her peripheral. It's like, yeah, she's figuring herself out,

but as she figures herself out, how much collateral damage is there going to be? There's gonna be casualties. And then when you start having collateral damage, then you don't get to just be like, well, I'm still figuring myself out because you are now starting to affect other people's lives and like emotional health and mental health and things like that. And then you have to kind of start holding yourself accountable. Really? So I don't know.

Speaking of, there's a lot of divorces happening, a lot of divorce announcements as of lately. We've got Sasha Barrett-Cohen and Isla Fisher, so sad. Which I did not see that coming and the accusations from Rebel, like what? Do you think it was Rebel? What accusation? Rebel Wilson? What accusation? Rebel Wilson? No, I know that she said that he was an asshole,

but were there other accusations? Other than that he's, yeah, I guess was an asshole. Okay, just making sure that I didn't miss anything. Didn't she say he like was like coming onto her doing some stuff behind closed doors? I don't know. Uh-oh. Yeah, I will look into that.

Yeah, pull that up. Aspen Ovard and Parker Farris, who are like, a lot of people might not know who they are. It's a little bit niche maybe, but I feel like in the YouTube world, they are OG like YouTubers. OG, I mean, got like high school sweethearts, got married at 19 and 20.

They now, she just gave birth to her third girl. They have three girls. And they were like vlog family, like obsessed with them. And they live in Utah, and I think he was part of Mormon church and then left, you know, I think that whole mix is involved, but their divorce was announced, or she filed for divorce the same day she announced her third baby on social media. That's a lot.

What had to happen? How bad, yeah. And prior to said announcement, like again, at least on social media, he was a participant in obviously the delivery, posting what seemed to be like, everyone's happy, everyone's good, because you know, we just had another child,

blessings. They went on like a baby moon right before. Wild. And then just like, she obviously had, now people are like going back and looking at stuff. She did change like their YouTube name. It was the two of them. She changed it just to hers.

And she hasn't been wearing her ring for a while, which obviously like pregnancy, you can't really wear it. But yeah, it is like, whoa, the same day that you announced your something bad. Something is going on. But it's so sad. What are people speculating?

I don't really know. There's some like crazy stuff that people are saying. And it's not just like irreconcilable differences. You know, it's not like we just realized we couldn't get along. I mean, even as hard as I am on Jax Taylor, it sounds like this was a accumulation of a bunch of, I don't want to say little, but a bunch of things that Brittany was just like, you know what, you're not the guy for me. Not like one, you know, is- One giant thing. Is audacious as Jax Taylor has been in the past with some of his crimes. Nice word.

Taylor has been in the past with some of his crimes. Nice word. He, this, like you don't announce the birth of your third child and file a divorce on the same day unless some crazy shit happened, right? I feel like nothing big happened though, because they've been known to be like a wholesome couple. So I feel like, I mean, I might romanticize it, but I feel like maybe they just like genuinely were like,

this is no longer. And you think they, I mean people, it came out of nowhere, like that's what people are saying. That's what I'm saying, but even like bachelor nation couples, like when they don't work out, there's always the rumors, right? First it's like, well, they haven't posted in a while, no one really actually pays attention and notice

because it's like, hey, maybe they've been busy, like, oh, you know, and then the fans of the couples would be like, yeah, they've been busy, like, who do we really know? Like people don't live on the internet and you're like, oh, okay, that's true. And then maybe the couples would be like, yeah, they've been busy, like who do we really know? Like people don't live on the internet. And you're like, okay, that's true. And then maybe sometimes there's like passive aggressive like non-likes or likes, you know, there's always something.

And then the couple, like, because it's scary. Like, you know, when you are a public facing relationship and you break up, you just know that like, once we announced like there's gonna be the annoying, I told you so's for all the people who doubted you, and then it feels bad. And so it's just this long, drawn out process of the slow play because it's easier for the couple,

for people to just honestly kind of anticipate it coming and see it coming, and you almost warm people up to the idea that you're not together. You don't announce the birth of your child. And then on the same day, file for divorce, unless you truly had, like, honestly, unless you had to protect yourself in some sort of way. Right?

I am curious how it got into mainstream media though. Like, because I feel like, I mean, People Magazine, I think is the media top that like broke it. And like, why is- Because when you announced the birth of your child and filed a divorce on the same day- I know, but why were they looking at Aspen and Parker? What do you mean?

How did they come across that? Well, there's still public figures. And I think you're right. They're more like YouTube famous, which is not necessarily like mainstream. So like, I don't think the People magazines, the E News or Us Weekly's typically cover, but that is a mainstream story.

Like, you know, like I just think, you know, People magazine will cover, you know, non-public facing couples when there's an, like, almost like a, like a true crime type of element to it or, you know, not that there's a true crime element here, but again, when you announce the birth of your child and file for divorce on the same day, I don't care if you're a public couple or not, everyone's kind of like, oh my god, what the fuck happened? You're curious. Something had to, it can't be irreconcilable differences. I don't know. I guess.

So you think it's kind of like a Lindsay-Carl kind of separation. That's what you're speculating. What do you mean? Like there has to be some kind of toxic blowout. To me, I think it would be a safe guess that something very specific happened, an event. She found out something about him, or he did something in real time.

Or just, I mean, I hate, actually, I hate speculating on this type of stuff. They've got three children she just gave birth. Her third baby is in the NICU. Oh my God, you can't do this now. No, no, no, I know, but no, I'm saying like- This is your topic. No, I'm saying like, it's crazy that she announced

the birth of her child and filed for divorce on the same day. That is nuts. But speculating on why they got divorced while she has this like baby in the NICU and she's got two babies at home, like it is, it's so incredibly sad because they did look so wholesome. They looked like such a family unit

and I truly did love watching their family blogs together. So this is sad that this is what's happening. But we also never know what goes on behind closed doors. You never know. Except for with Christian Richard who threw a glass at his child and then filed for divorce. I was about to say, he's filing for divorce? That one's wild. Maybe, yeah.

I mean, he just beat Christine to it. He was like, I'm gonna call my lawyer first. Yeah, messy. Messy, messy. He's already going to the courthouse, I'm sure, for his arrest, so he might as well just take it to her divorce as well. He's already there.

He's like, well, I'm here. Just kill three birds with one stone. Is that on floor three? Okay, perfect. Make my appointment back to back. Do you know who's not messy? Who? Caitlin Clark.

A little shout out to Caitlin Clark. Wow. She's just dominating. Have you guys all been following that story? That story being like how dominant she is? All day. Every day. Ali, I think. Ali's obsessed. Ali's in love.

I'm in love. Yes, she is. Do you have more to say other than that? I'm in love with her. I would have her babies. I would raise Iowa Hawkeye children the rest of my life. I understand that her boyfriend, it was also a fabulous basketball player, and now she's gonna go to Indiana,

and they're probably gonna live together, but if she ever decides to leave him, I'm here. Well, she has swept the nation with her talents, and to me, what this story shows us is the value of a great story. Because for those of you who don't know who Caitlin Clark is, she is a basketball player for the women's Iowa Hawkeyes basketball team.

She's awesome, she's so good. She's Michael Jordan good. She's supernatural good. She's so good that when you watch her play, she does things that make you go, that's not possible. You know what I'm saying? She seems superhuman. She throws up a ball and you're go, that's not possible. You know what I'm saying? She seems superhuman. Like she throws up a ball and you're like,

she closed her eyes, there's no way this one's going in and it goes in. She's that good. She is like game changing and she's so good that the ratings of these basketball games are literally record breaking. Like the more people are watching Caitlin Clark and the Iowa Women's Hawkeye basketball team,

then people were watching the NBA finals. Which is actually quite fascinating because obviously there's a lot of discourse about the popularity of men's sports versus women's sports nowadays with all the conversations going on about stuff like that. And I just think all it really tells us is the power of a great story, a great, compelling character.

I don't care who you are, man, woman, there's compelling stories in every group and like we just have to look for the great stories because if it's a great story, people are gonna watch. If you are that fucking good at anything, we're gonna watch and we're gonna care and we're gonna root for you. She's like a hero and people like will go back

and looking about like what she has done and how she's been able to get there and the work put into it. Like she is aspirational for all people. Like there are men out there who are like, I wish I could be Caitlin Clark because she's so fucking good. And that's why she is good, you know,

because she is doing superhuman things. And I think you just, we just have to make sure that we're going after the great stories. How much money do you think she is gonna be offered to play in the WNBA? I don't know. I mean, I feel like she's gonna make more money out of publicity. Honestly, she's gonna be offered to play in the WNBA? I don't know. Well there are salary caps. She's gonna make more money out of publicity.

Honestly she's gonna make millions off of brand deals. Brand deals. Yeah. They can't offer her anything crazy because there's a salary cap. Well they can offer them those. And she'll go to Indiana because they're first in the draft. Okay.

Damn. Damn, she knows a lot, Ellie. I grew up an Iowa hot guy. This is like our team. Pop the fuck up. No, she's like American. I mean, she is the, she, again, she is so good that like people who aren't following basketball, who, you don't even have to be-

No, people are just making it. Like my best friend, Chambliss, has been watching them and she's like, what are you talking about? I am a fan of her. My grandma visited Iowa a couple of times ago and I'm like, okay, whatever you need to like. Yeah, she's so popular that everyone wants to like find their why they have a reason to root for her.

And the reason you're rooting for her is because she's such a great story. You know, like she is so good. It's like when like Stephen Curry, it's just like everyone likes him because you're not supposed to be able to like throw half court shots, you know court shots and have it always go in. That seems like not real.

And we love to root for what seems to be real life superheroes. She has transcended the sport, and that's what makes her so fucking cool. And it's just kind of amazing. Yeah, it's like record ratings. I mean, even last night at the Laker game, I was like watching, we were watching on our phone,

like Caitlin Clark play, like while we were at the Laker games. Yeah, because what she is doing, you're just like, it's like, oh my God, you know? Yeah, a record 9.9 million viewers tuned in to watch LSU's win over Iowa in the 2023 National Championship game on Monday.

That was last year. Iowa's 98 to 84 victory over LSU in the Elite Eight of average 12.3 million viewers. Million. And the NBA Finals game gets like 10 or 9. That's crazy. Yeah. So pop off. And I'm not even a sports gay and I know about Kaitlyn Clark and I actually watch that game.

So like, if that says anything, I don't watch sports. Because it's a great fucking story. Yeah, it's amazing. We need to go after great stories because every group of people, every class of people have great stories to tell and we have to prioritize great stories over anything else when it comes to like, you know, showing people's talents.

Anyways. Well, and I thought it was cute too, like know, showing people's talents. Anyways. Well, and I thought it was cute to like Lisa, their coach, like they, there was some clips of her talking to them in the locker room and she was like, do not hang your heads, like, let's not be sad. She's like, I know we're sad to lose this group of seniors, but at the end of the day, like you group of women, like have changed the sport of basketball forever. She's like, what you have done this past season supersedes the final score of the South Carolina game. That just made my nipples hard.

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I think it's time to get into our reality recap. Let's do it. Let's do it, Summerhouse time. It was finally like an episode that like wasn't just Lindsay and Carl. Yeah, I think this season is so much fun, not gonna lie. Them with the little golf carts inside the house and everything.

I really enjoyed. I feel like Nellie has some tea to share. Summer house tea. Remember what you said last week about Kyle? Him being the same as Jax? Mm-hmm. Yeah. And then you got an anonymous message.

An anonymous source said that I was right in my opinion. Someone who had heard Nellie's commentary about Kyle being the same as Jax Taylor. She said, trust your women intuition. Someone who has a right to have an opinion. Okay, I see. Yeah, so fuck all of you in the comments that disagreed with me,

because inside source says I'm right. So Kyle and Amanda house hunting. Okay, kind of loved that first house they went to. Yeah. It was beautiful. Right? Like, okay. It's stunning.

Kyle was giving Nick energy while looking at houses. He's like, oh. Wait, you go from Kyle is just like Jax to Kyle's giving Nick? Well, no, no, no. I think there's a correlation there. Jess, Jess, Jess with his energy of like house shopping. Just interested. And like, I was Amanda. I'm like, oh my God, I love this. I can see energy of like house shopping, just interested.

And like I was Amanda, I'm like, oh my God, I love this. I can see my children here. I can do this. I can live here. I need this house right now. And Nick is like, well, it's fine. I just feel like I hate this mailbox. So we can't live here because their mailbox is ugly.

And that's why we can't get the house. I'm not buying a house like I buy for a pair of jeans. Like, you know what? If I only wear it once, no big deal. Or a suit for that matter. I also feel like they're not on the same page. No. Yeah.

No, not at all. I feel like that's a lot of couples on Bravo, like Tom and Katie, like they were never on the same page. They tried to make it work. It's like, it's that type of, I don't know how Bravo finds these people that just one wants to do something and the other one wants the nuclear family and the other one wants the party.

Right. And even then, I mean, my hot take is that like, I kind of agree with Kyle in the sense that I'm like Kyle's business, his livelihood, his friends are in the city. There's not going to be a situation to where he can work from home in New Jersey or the Hamptons or wherever they're looking. What do you mean? What do you mean? What do I mean? Doesn't he just have Leverboy? Yeah, he's got Leverboy, but I'm just like their headquarters and stuff is at...

Isn't the commute from Jersey to New York not that bad? Yeah, take the train. I guess it's not that bad. I mean, I guess in my opinion though, where I'm like, if I'm... Correct me if I'm wrong, but for me, I'm like, if I'm the breadwinner and I'm going to have to be leaving the house and like going to and from, like the convenience of not having to commute 45 minutes or two hours a day to go to work to provide for a family, like I don't... Nick agrees.

No, I was like, I just saw dust there over here. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I don't know what just happened. I'm like, let's look in Calabasas, let's look in Agoura Hills, let's look in all these places. Nick's like, well, the commute to work is gonna be so fucking long. I'm like, do we wanna drive an hour every day? That being said, it's also something, even though I don't want to necessarily drive

an hour every day to work, now that we have a daughter and we are getting married and we are growing our family for us, like we are valuing space and we are thinking about our kids and we're thinking about five or six years in the future when she starts going to school and sacrifices at times need to be made. You know, like exactly. Like if Kyle were to stay single his whole life,

I mean, like Kyle basically acts like a single guy. I mean, could you imagine being married? Could you imagine being in a committed relationship? And unfortunately, I think there's a lot of women listening to this show who not only imagine it, but live it, like are with someone who's out to four in the fucking morning. Yeah, that's a no for me.

That's fucking crazy. Could you imagine? He could never. Locks are changed while you're having fun. Literally. And it's just like something she deals with? Yeah. On the flip side, something Kyle seems to be dealing with is, you know what I also couldn't imagine?

On Kyle's end, four in the morning, non-starter, I couldn't imagine Natalie doing that to me or me doing that to Natalie. I also couldn't imagine Natalie commenting or receiving comments back and forth from a guy who like openly brags about trying to hook up with taken women, a la Jessie. Jessie Solomon.

Who's up in her comments calling her beautiful and there seems to be some sort of flirty, friendly banter that even the obsessed, whether it's just obsessed fans fanning out, they are sipping this friendship. Which is like, if you're Kyle, you're like, what the fuck, what, huh? A guy, again, who like, his big thing, all I know about Jesse,

the only thing I've learned about him in this whole season, we're in an episode, what? Five, six? And he gets, he likes to fuck taken women. That's his big thing. That's how he feels good about himself is to like, try to get with women who are not available. That's his big claim to fame.

And he is up in the comments. His comment said, I hope your future kid doesn't get bullied for having the hottest mom. And then Amanda replies, prints out and frames comment. Wow. I mean, first of all, she is not a mom yet. He is like calling her hot for something he's fantasizing about. It's kind of weird. The scene of Jesse,

everyone's like going to bed and Jesse's on FaceTime with whoever the fuck and he's like, let me see a nip, let me see. That's like so, oh my God, I have like, I can recall so many moments where like, I'm on FaceTime with maybe years ago, years ago, years ago, years ago, where I'm on FaceTime with like a friend and it's like, yeah, yeah,

the fuck are you talking about? And it's like, whoa, is that cleavage? Whoa, let me see a tit. And they try to like talk you into like showing them your boobs and you're like, what the fuck are you talking about? And it's like, whoa, is that cleavage? Whoa, let me see a tit. And they try to talk you into showing them your boobs. And you're like, what is it? It literally gave me flashbacks. Those moments where you're just on the phone with some drunk guy and they're all horny, let me see your nipples.

Ew, what the fuck are you talking about? No, that's Jessie. Yeah, no thank you. Why is anyone sipping Jessie? Shipping, I think it is. Shipping, shipping, whatever the fuck. Oh, I was wondering what you were saying by sipping. Okay.

Sipping. Sipping, sipping, whatever. And I also had an opinion on Jessie too with Paige and him driving down together where it's like, we all know that he notoriously has a crush on Paige. And I was like, I just optionally wouldn't sit in a car with somebody I know likes me for three hours

alone and like trying to be like, oh, if I get to know him, it's just I don't want him to feel weird. Like, I don't understand why the need to make him feel comfortable. He's just going to tell you how pretty you are and like flirt with you the whole time. And I think out of just like respect for your relationship, I'm like, just throw Amanda in the back of the car. Bring someone with you. You know what I mean? Like, I just thought it was a kind of weird take after all every episode of being called out for flirting with Paige so much. And then Paige is like, no, I, bring someone with you. You know what I mean? I just thought it was a kind of weird take after every episode of being called out for flirting with Paige so much, and then Paige is like, no, I'll go along with you.

Wes and Sierra's relationship seems like a showmanse to me. It's not going well, in my opinion. I think they're cute, but I just feel like... It just seems showmancy. Yeah. She's agreed to entertain this relationship, even though she knows she'll never sleep with him. No, I want them to be together so bad.

I love Wes so much. Me too, he's so cute. He's so cute and none of you would actually date him. You don't know that. Sure, you're right. I have some questionable exes. Wait, why? No, no, you would definitely,

that one night after ending in this bizarre world of whatever asshole guy you would have been dating does the asshole thing for the second or third or hundredth time and then the Wests of the world show up and he makes you laugh and you're like, oh, I should date a guy like you and then you entertain him and you let him flirt with you

for three fucking days, but you're never gonna be with him. You're never gonna get with him and that's Sierra West. And like, he's funny, he makes her laugh, he makes her feel good about herself, she's chasing him, she validates him every day, but if she wanted to be with him, she would. And she's not, and she's not going to be, and she's entertaining it because it's a showman's.

Yeah. He is the least douchey-ous out of everybody. Yeah, no, he seems like a really stand-up guy. And listen, I don't make the rules. Like, he seems like a stand-up guy who should have more luck with the ladies. But unfortunately, you got your tall-ass, Jesse fucking Solomon, who like goes around

and like fucking taking women, and like, you know, he gets away with it, you know? And I'm not the one making these choices. I'm not the one doing it. I'm just saying, Sarah's not gonna be interested in whether, and y'all like to be like, oh, he's so great, and he he's so cool and I would date him. No, you wouldn't.

You say that, I have. I had an ex that was five three and more body hair than normal. So, you know, like, yeah, he was funny. Ah! I'm rooting for Wes, but like, I just. I love him and I think he's so sweet and so cute. And I think Sierra does, and I think honestly,

she's just like genuinely taking it slow and they live in a house together. And, but they sleep in the bed together every night and cuddle and make out. That's because she's not threatened by him. That's why, because she's not intimidated by him. You know that effect when you're at summer camp and it's like, you're there for a certain amount of time

and then everyone who you came in with and you're like, they're not hot, amount of time and then everyone who you came in with and you're like, they're not hot, they're not it. And then all of a sudden at the end of summer, you're like, oh, I like you. I feel like that's a little bit like this where it's like, A, all the other options are not it. And then also you're just like with this person every weekend

and eventually they start to grow on you. And he'll definitely, he's like a, he'll do. That's how she sees them. Well, I think it's a friend zone type situation because if you're already sleeping in bed with him and you're not doing anything with him, come on. Like you're friends. Well, I think that she knows that there's a camera

in the corner of the bedroom. So she's like, you know what? I'm not gonna go down on you here. Maybe let's do it in my apartment. I think it's a show man. I think it's, yeah, you're right. It definitely, that could be happening. I do, I just don't think it is.

I disagree. I'm rooting for the West of the world. I don't make the rules. You all make the rules. But I'm just pointing out what the rules are. There's exceptions. Truly, there always are. I disagree.

I do think that Kyle and Amanda, when they argue, it's so fucking awkward for everyone involved. It's like them at that, was it a preview for next week or was it this episode? The Italy table? Yes. It was the end of the episode of the Italian dinner.

I mean, I was like uncomfortable watching because their argument, they're just like, they do that thing where they argue over like, someone's telling a story. They're like, oh my God, so this like crazy thing happened. Nick and I were at this place. We were at the thrift store on Tuesday. And Nick's like, it wasn't story, and be like, oh my God, so this crazy thing happened, Nick and I were at this place, we were at the thrift store on Tuesday, and Nick's like, it wasn't Tuesday, it's Wednesday.

Like, no, it was Tuesday, no it wasn't. And they start arguing, and it's like, okay, it doesn't fucking matter. Like, why is this important right now? And they're not even looking at each other when they argue, they're just like talking to the other people in the room. Yes, yes.

Doesn't it bother you? They kind of hate each other, and they're together because they've been together, not because they want it. Like not they, they didn't wake up today, and they, I choose you. You're my person. It's like, we're still together.

It was when she said that she wants to get a house out of the city that she could be at anywhere from like one, two weeks, maybe a month at a time. And that one was like a big like red flag. Yeah, Paige was even like, a month? Like I'm like, um, I love my partner He also drives me crazy sometimes But I couldn't imagine being like I'm gonna optionally stay somewhere away from you for a month because you're not at home with the kids What do we think about?

Flower boy. Oh so insulting. That was my favorite part The pettiness. Paige ate during that. We're all Paige. You don't even know if you're the father. She's like, I was dying. I mean, he officiated and was co-best man. Mm-hmm. He had two of the most important titles.

And Lindsay said, your friend can be in it, just as a flower boy. Wait, did Lindsay actually say that though? The accusation is that this is all like Lindsay's doing behind the scenes. He knew deep down that Lindsay probably would say that. Well, great, but that's not fair. I think Carl confirmed it. That's not fair. No, he says during the episode that.

That deep down he felt that that's what she was saying. But that's not on Lindsay, that's on Carl. That's on Carl, because if she didn't actually say that and he's just assuming that that would be her opinion, then that's on him. And even, wait, wait, wait, even if Lindsay did say it, it's up to Carl to, like, Carl is friends with Kyle, not Lindsay.

I mean, sure, they're all friends, but like. But he could have stepped up first. Yeah, like, he chose not to have. He chose not to even have the conversation with Lindsay about it. Yeah, that's on Carl. Yeah, well, because then it paints Lindsay in a bad light. So now Paige thinks it's Lindsay, so Lindsay's gonna get the flack for this decision

that she never made. Or even, again, even if she made it, it's up to Carl to defend his friendships and to say, hey, I was in a, he was my officiant or vice versa or whatever. You know what I'm saying? I was also in Brittany and Jax's wedding and Brittany, like I was on Brittany's side

and she made that very clear from the beginning to Jax's wedding and Brittany, like I was on Brittany's side and she made that very clear from the beginning to Jax, like, no, I don't care about aesthetics or whatever, like, Zax on my side. Like, she immediately fought for it and was like, he's gonna be in the party. So for him not to stand up, I feel like that's kind of a slap in his face.

A thousand percent. It's, yeah. And I can tell you, if you asked me to be the flower boy like that, I'd be like, okay, great. And I would come in, I've never done drag before, I'd be in full drag. I'd be throwing bouquets to everybody.

You ask, you shall receive. That being said, when they call... You ask me to do something, we get in there. First, Kyle does what you think is the appropriate thing, being like, you know what, it's not my wedding. If that's what Carl wants me to do, I'll step up and do it. But then he proceeds, as we see, I think in the previews to like,

or it was at this episode too, I always kind of like, but he's like whining to Carl's groomsmen about not being in the wedding party. So I just couldn't imagine, I know this is a TV show and they have to make- Well, he was talking to the other flower boy. Even still, I just couldn't imagine showing up to like a wedding event.

Like I had my bachelor party and like some of my friends who came to my bachelor party, which was super low key anyways, like some of them aren't in a wedding event. Like I had my basher party and like some of my friends who came to my basher party, which was super low key anyways, like some of them aren't in my wedding party. Oh wait, Lindsay did say in the after show that that was what it was, was that the hotel that they were having their wedding at is an adults only. So her way of like compromising with Kyle was to make him a flower boy since they weren't gonna have any kids

in the wedding. She did say it in the after show. Referring to make him a flower boy since they weren't gonna have any kids in the wedding. She did say it in the after show. Referring to him as a kid, Kyle? Saying that since there's an absence of flower girl, 1000%, but that's what I'm saying, it was PR spin Lindsay. I was like, you could be dual. We don't need them. I'm just saying, I couldn't imagine one of my friends

at my bachelor party taking the time at my bachelor party to start talking to my other friends about why they're not a groomsman. It's like, it's not your fucking wedding. You know what I'm saying? Kyle deciding to bring it up makes me think less of Kyle. Even though he has a right to be upset, it's still not, it's not your place to put it,

it's not your wedding. True. And if you're gonna do it, you do it to Carl, privately, not at an event that Carl's supposed to be enjoying his time with his groomsmen. I also kind of feel like he took it well initially, but I'm also like the word of mouth situation too, where I'm like just telling another person

and their opinion of it and whatnot, where I'm like having time to stew on it too. I'm not surprised that like, oh, having feelings about it when you're actually getting fitted and being like, well, here's my flower boy costume. You guys have fun in your groomsmen party because I'm not old enough to join the party. Well, either way, he didn't have to be the flower boy because we know guys have fun in your groomsmen party because I'm not old enough to join the party.

Well, either way, he didn't have to be the flower boy because we know they don't get married. Yep. And there is that. I think that was it for Summer House. I do too. Yeah, I think this was a great episode of Vanderpump. So do I.

Mm-hmm. We have a lot of opinions. I still very much empathize with Ariana. I get where she's coming from, truly. As someone who is close to marrying the love of my life, Natalie Joy, mother of my child. Who is here today. Who is here today.

Sitting on that couch. Sitting on that couch. Wearing a red shirt. No, but I think, you know, like Natalie's like, have you been reading your vows? I've been thinking about my vows, you know, and things like that. And like to me, like, you know,

part of like having a child with Natalie and getting married, you married, especially in 2024 when the reasons people get married are not the same reasons people got married in the 1940s. It's building my tribe, it's my people, my family. We are building our family. Last night on our date, we were like, I was like, let's plan our life together.

Like, you know what I'm saying? We were talking about our goals and what we wanna do and what we wanna achieve as a couple and like. Cute. And like having that family, that tribe, like your people, like, you know, taking care of your own is such a like, you know, it's scary to get older. And like we talk all the time about, you know,

friend groups evolve and like, yeah, like, you know, not every group is like summer house for you. And when you're in your 20s, you go out every weekend, you're all you and your friends, even though you're in a relationship, you're all going out, you're partying. It's like, what are we doing this weekend? We're going out popping bottles. And like you get to your 30s. And like some people mature and some people like don't and kind of

gets a little old. There's friend breakups and things like that. But like, as you get older, like the only thing you have is your family. And like there's something like I'm very excited about that, like to get married to Natalie and have a kid. We like, you know, I wake up every day with the purpose of taking care of my family. And that's, and I feel like you hear Ariana talk about, you know, like, again, like she, you know, we can say whatever, you know, hey, you dated Tom Sandoval for a decade, but like that was her, her family, you know, her and the dogs and they, you know, they froze some eggs, they bought a dream house,

and whatever their dynamic was, was their dynamic. And even if they had good times and bad times, and they had to work through their issues, it seemed like Ariana was like, this is it for me. Like, I'm gonna marry this guy or not marry him, I don't know, he's my life partner, we bought this house together, we're gonna grow old together,

and we'll have our bumps in the road, but this is my tribe. and Tom fucked that up. And I think that's what she is still hurting and upset over. With that regard, I empathize with Ariana's reasons for still being hurt, but now it's getting to the point where she doesn't act like someone who, she acts like she still cares.

Like what she doesn't act like is someone who's over it. Well, this has been three months after this happened, that they're sitting at a beach together. That is important to remind the audience, because I just like, now that it's airing, like, you know what it'd be a tough watch for? Ariana's boyfriend. If I'm watching that shit, it's like,

it just looks like she still very much cares about Tom Sandoval and, like, the relationship she doesn't have. Whether that's true or not, it's just how it comes across. I kind of disagree. I feel like she's not so hung up on Tom. And I think it's more so that she's just frustrated that this whole friend group keeps shoving him

down her throat. And it's only been three months. And now Lala wants to be his best friend out of nowhere when they had no real relationship before this. And they just keep forcing her to hang out at the beach with him. And they keep forcing her to hang out at the water tasting with him and she's just frustrated that he has to keep being there. Like when you break up with someone, usually you don't see them all the time.

I completely get it. I'm just saying, again, I, I understand why she's upset. I'm just saying from an optics standpoint, I think less and less of people watching it are, you know, she's still coming across as someone who's not over it, not indifferent. And while I get what you're saying, I'm just saying, it's getting to the point where she's like, oh, you care a lot.

I think she cares a lot. I think she's very frustrated that her friends keep doing this and keep forcing her to be in social settings with him. Because I think a lot of people are on that side and Nick's kind of on his own island thinking this. I don't think her boyfriend would be... I don't think her boyfriend would be like... I think he obviously knows way more than anyone possibly

could know about their relationship and what happened and how it's filming with him is like, he knows all of Ariana's side, right? So it's filming with him is like, he knows all of Ariana's side, right? So I don't think him watching this, he's like mad at her for like still, you're still in love with him. Whatever the fuck people might think.

And I do think it is important to say like, this is only three months later and he is being shoved down her throat and he is like acting fucking bizarre and like doing shit that is likeved down her throat. And he is acting fucking bizarre and doing shit that is pissing her off. I totally get it. But she just isn't coming across as someone who is over it. She also did say to him, when the Raquel fight or whatever at the very end of season 10, she was like, you will never speak to me again.

So imagine also genuinely feeling that and wanting to hold on to that. And then it's like not only your job, but your close group of friends are also like, well, but you have to. You're gonna have to talk to him. You're gonna have to film together or else you're making life difficult for us. And that's what kind of pisses me off too,

is that like everybody's making it seem like her not wanting to be around Sandoval is inconveniencing their lives. And it's just like, you can hang out with people on your own, but like, why is it day after day, water tasting beach, like, we're all supposed to be this happy group? Because they are filming a show.

That's what it's supposed to be. I get where she's coming from. I'm just saying, like, it's getting to the point where it's starting to like, I think her reaction's completely warranted. Yeah, I think it's cause we're all seeing it a year later, and we've been hearing about it for so long that the audience is just tired because it's almost overload on it.

Yeah. And we're just getting to three months in. But we're a year into our emotions. Yeah, we're all over it. Yeah. And she's probably over it now. She's over it now. But like three months fresh, picking up cameras again,

and then being like, hey, by the way, the man that fucked you over and fucked up your entire dream life, he's gonna be sitting less than a foot away from you at the beach talking about how lazy you are. And talking about how many bills you don't pay. And not cleaning up after your cat. And you're just like, it's not my fault that your dog

had to go to the hospital because you don't pick up your cat poop. Like, but- Well, again, Not valid. Team Ariana here, but like that, you know, if we're getting into the semantics of the whole, like, is Tom Sandoval a dog, attempted dog murderer? That was Ariana's fault.

That you leaving... No, I kind of agree with that because it's like as a dog owner, you don't leave, even if the door is shut. First off, I don't know why we have like a box of old chicken skewers and it's like, he wasn't going in there to snoop, he was going in there to fix something. And while I don't think he should have shut Maya in there, like you don't leave stuff out that a dog can get into

because Anne's walking around the house, like you never know what can happen. Yeah, and again, get where Arianna is coming from, but like it's both their houses. They don't get to be like, this is my room versus your room, it's their house. There's no separation of rooms in a house. 100%, I just think her trust in him is so broken

that she's not gonna believe anything he says, and so in her mind, it's like he did it on purpose and nothing he said. That's kind of my overall point is, I get where Arianna's coming from, totally understand. All her feelings Make total sense and are total valid. But now the longer she stays in this Situation in this environment like the more

You know, she's gonna obviously get triggered and get mad rightfully so but now you're getting into like a semantics argument where it's like It's as much as we might hate Tom Sandoval, like this is not a guy who actually tried to kill a dog, you know, and it's eventually it's gonna be like, maybe just move on, you know? And I get it, you're right. I get her friends are trying to ram Sandoval down her throat, but she also chose to be on this TV show.

But they're also not even just ramming Sandoval down her throat, they're at the beach just ramming Sandoval down her throat. They're at the beach and Brock out of fucking everyone is like, oh, is that what you did with Raquel? Like makes a fucking joke out of it. And Ariana's like, you can have this conversation literally anywhere else, but right in front of me. Like I think that also adds so much to it

is that these people aren't just shoving Sandoval, they're still shoving like Raquel and what they did and making it, it's disrespectful. No, I know, but if they weren't doing it, what would we be talking about? What would we be watching? I mean, that's the thing about Sheena and Lala, I don't agree with really anything they're saying

or doing this season. When I think, you look at Lala right now, kind of shocking how much she is coming at Ariana. Like she's going hard at the paint. She is on a war path. And I think is what's so hysterical about Lala and Sheena is like what upsets, what seems to upset them the most is just how little Ariana tries.

Like Ariana doesn't try it all. Like recently Lala was out, I think on her podcast talking about how like pointing out to the audience that like Ariana didn't have a storyline if it weren't for Tom Sandoval, as if like anyone really cares. Like the reason like Vanderpump Nation or Brava Nation like have endeared themselves to Ariana

is like they saw themselves in her as someone who like, especially for people who've been cheated on and things like that. And the fact that they love how little she tries. Like she's the main character because of what she's going through as a person, not because she's, and I respect, I hustle, like good for Lala for hustling,

but like Lala and Sheena want, and like Sandoval and Sheena and Lala, what they all have in common is like they take their job as a character in Vanderpump very fucking seriously. I don't think Ariana does. And the fact that Ariana is the main character for Scan of All, I think, just absolutely drives Lala and Sheena nuts because they both try so fucking hard to be the main character and they just can't accomplish what Ariana has accomplished without trying at all. And

I think it drives them so fucking nuts. A thousand percent. It's also like, I saw a comment recently under like saying that like listening to Lala's podcast, it's like that they forgot that she was pregnant because of how much like negativity about her castmates that she's spewing like on her podcast. And I do think that where I'm like, you have so much going for you.

You just got a new house. You're having your baby. Like why are you sitting here looking up how many followers or inactive followers your castmates have and, you know what I mean? Like it just seems like, for someone who has so much going on, like it's giving boredom.

It's giving like finding something to pick at where nobody cares. Do you think it's boredom or do you think it's giving? Jealousy. Or just to play devil's advocate, you know? Like for all the criticizing of Sheena and Lala that we're doing, you know? They want to even the score?

They are the stars of the season. Sure. Like they are the most giving. We have talked about Sheena every week, you know, for some of the shit she is doing. And yeah, like we could argue that she's been embarrassing herself, but she's embarrassing herself

for the sake of excellent television. And we are talking about her. Yeah. You know and so are Lala and Sheena just like taking one for the team or is this how they genuinely feel? I mean I personally feel like this is kind of just that because like they have the ability now off-camera in their own on their own platforms to say how they feel and like this is what you guys are choosing to focus on still cameras aren't rolling. But I also think it's also feeding a narrative of what we're supposed how we're supposed to feel with what we're going to be seeing upcoming in this season because

you had Andy Cohen saying that Lala was a voice of reason and made sense by the finale which I don't see that at this moment. She doesn't make any sense. I was like I don't see it at all right now. You know. I'm very confused. She just sounds so jealous. Yeah and focused on other people's stuff. That's where I'm like, or bringing it back to people should have cared more about my stuff when it was going on. You make a great point. She should be in her season of peace and tranquility and creating this...

She calls it her soft girl era. Her new family, new house, new baby. Well, it's kind of funny because she said in one of the episodes or something, I think it was to Lisa Vanderpump, she was like, oh, I'm kind of rebranding and like to the Give Them La La, like, oh, no, I'm in a different era. I'm like, I think you doubled down on your Give Them La La because I feel like it's that same energy.

Yeah, it's still aggressive energy just because you took it down a couple octaves doesn't mean that like what you're saying doesn't still come with the same like venom and bite. When do we get to meet Lauren from Utah? Apparently at the reunion, but we shall see. I feel like with Katie and Schwartz, they're just like, seeing them with that little, that moment by the pool,

I felt like was kind of seeing them in their element. Cause they, they, they were such good friends and I do like seeing them like happy separately. Again, I don't know what it is about Bravo finding people that probably don't belong together and like somehow they stay together. Um, but like at that moment I just felt was like really cool for them that they're, they're like getting back that friendship I'm glad they were nice about it. I mean sources is such the peacemaker You know do you think Katie?

Should feel guilty about hooking up with max or do you think she was totally in the clear absolutely not and Max just like he's like oh hey. I'm here anybody want to ride Yeah, I think pop off, Katie. You know, that's what I said. I go, and when she gave Schwartz the ultimatum, pretty much is just like, hey, do you, but just don't do it in front of my face. And she's always had respect for him in that way, vice versa.

Schwartz made out with Raquel at the pool with spotlights around, and then was like, oh, you saw that? It didn't mean anything. And I'm like, Katie can do whatever the fuck she wants at this point. Yeah, on her podcast, Disrespectfully, shout out, she said it literally could have been anyone.

I was drunk, I had just heard about Sheena and Schwartz and they had a really cool conversation because Dana has a history with Max, so they have- Oh she does? Yeah, they dated. So they have a conversation about it well usually the The retaliation is often harsher than the first offense. You know because it's a reaction to something Yeah, it's usually not tit-for-tat. You know so and I also don't and sports kind of it's worse

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Let's get into it. I have a question for you, Zach. What made you want to do this show? And so like, I'm curious, because we like, what I'm most fascinated about Bravo World is like, you know, what's different than like, say Bachelor or Love is Blind is that like, it's for the most part, you know,

people have come back on multiple Bachelor shows, but like it's a one-off season. And if you come back, you kind of restart, you know, so to speak. And like, you know, these are ensemble casts, recurring roles. When you signed up for the show, like, you know, here, this is a show where we are talking about you guys, your characters were critiquing your behaviors. Next week, you might, we might watch the episode and you're not going to be here.

And we're going to be like, holy shit, fucking Zach, what the fuck was he doing? And we'll, we'll say something snarky and we'll laugh. And I don't know what your thoughts and feelings are on that, but Zach, what the fuck was he doing? And we'll say something snarky and we'll laugh. And I don't know what your thoughts and feelings are on that, but like, it might not be easy to hear. You know, like there is the downside of being on reality TV and being talked about and being a public figure. And I honestly am curious, like, what was your expectation of going on this show?

And like, even shows like this, you know, like, are you down for it? Is it all fair game? We cover these shows, people cover sports. That's how we look at it. But you're a human being. It still might hurt your feelings, so to speak. But in this week, you're involved in a very messy fight,

which we'd love some context on because we feel like we're missing a lot of it. But to start, yeah, what made you want to do this? And like, what is your expectations of how fans should interact with characters like yourself? Well, I mean, I feel like when whenever anybody signs up for a one-off show or a show like ours that could go for, you know, however many seasons, you have to be a special person

that has already built up tough skin. You cannot go into reality TV. And even if you're like the best person ever, 50% of the people are going to hate you, 50% might love you, and you're probably only going to see the hate comments. And even if it's only a hundred, it's still going to affect you in some way, but you have to go in with it with the mindset that, okay, you have to be yourself. Don't try like you were just saying with Sheena and Lala, they, they were trying. I don't think they're fully trying, but like you can't be inauthentic.

So if you, if you come in with like, ready to talk about your life, you guys, first thing you said is, so is it a wig? And I'm like, ha ha. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, no, no, no, no, it's not. Sorry. But like, yes, let's talk about that.

Let me take my hat off. Let if, if I was like shy or didn't want to talk. Okay. Why would I have signed up for a show? You know what I mean? I'm willing to basically put my life on display and not hold back and not hide any aspect. And I think that is what you have to do and the mindset you have when you go into that.

Okay. So you kind of have a, you accept the good and the bad that comes with it. Like you- Right. Like for instance, we're all kiki-ing right now. We're having a good time. You're like, oh, you know, I'm like, I leave here.

I'm like, oh my God, Nick is so great. I don't know what people are talking about. I mean, I think I do. No, I'm just kidding. But I know throughout the season there are good, I'm messed up in my life, plenty. And that's okay because I did it. And if you guys, I know being on the show, it's also your all's job to be the ones to do that. Now, does it hurt sometimes, like, when you get the same thing over and over and over

and it's like, God, but that's not me or I just don't want people to perceive me in a way that I'm not, but then I still have to be okay with people even hearing the truth and then not accepting it. And it's, you know, if you don't go in with that mindset, don't do reality TV. Because people are going to believe what they want to believe. They don't know. They're not going to believe what. And they ain't ever going to do their research.

Not one person. There are so many comments that like, Oh, so that guy, wait, how is he with that girl? Because I'm confused. And I'm like, I am gay. Like it is, it says what? There is no part of me, episode one I'm saying again. Yeah, me and Jasmine, they're like, they're together, right? And I mean, it is not just one comment. It is multiple.

I'm like, you guys are not paying attention. Isn't it so wild how like Jasmine was on your season of The Bachelor and now it's like such a full circle moment. It's full circle. Did she choke you too? I met her eight years ago. Sierra and I know each other from a party eight years ago. And we almost started a podcast together.

Oh my gosh. How crazy. Isn't that crazy? So Jasmine hasn't choked you? No, but I did ask her if she wanted me to choke you for her. What did she say? She said, no, like go light on him. And I was like, OK, Jasmine.

Ah. It is pretty crazy. I feel like, Nick, we talked about this the other day, because I was like, didn't you get choked by her? And he was like, yeah. And then he also, he was like, I got slapped by someone else. And then he also like was, his boobs were, his boobs, his hands were on Corinna's boobs, bare chest.

I feel like that would never happen in today's bachelor world. I don't know, I was put in a lot of uncomfortable situations. And you're just forced to be like, okay. Yeah. Like I said, you're like, it's a no-win situation. Either you like say no, and then you risk embarrassing the person putting themselves out there,

or you just literally just be a punching bag for people, or allow people to choke you, because you don't wanna look like a dick. You're like, beat, choke me, whatever. Whatever you wanna do. Take my hands and put them wherever you want you know like rescue bachelor yeah i will say another thing um that you were like you know why would i sign on to do it i feel like our show is different from like other shows like the housewives maybe a couple have you know some

connections or hang out or whatever but But our entire group actually hangs out. Like I've known Brittany my entire life. Jasmine was my roommate for two years, one year being during COVID. Kristen. Janet lived in my building on my floor. I've known her from through Sheena. Actually, I call it six degrees or like two degrees, honestly, in this group of Sheena Shay, because literally I think Jasmine came in that way. Janet came group of Sheena Shay because literally I think Jasmine

came in that way, Janet came in through Sheena, so I'm always like a lot of our attachments are Sheena started the relationship and then we all became friends but we've all been friends for years and we've all had drama that we're not even trying to get a show it's like we're that's just who we are. What about Jesse and Michelle? So they so Jesse and Jax have known each other literally since, since it tracks far too hard. Since like modeling days in Miami, which it's like, yeah, exactly. A hockey bro modeled in Miami?

Is he too, isn't he too short? Jax is into hockey too, so remember he got offered a job? I mean, when he told me that, I was very confused. I was like, what type of modeling? Hands? But yeah, like- Is he, but I'm curious, I'm fascinated, like who would sign up for the show and say, I'll play the role of deadbeat dad.

Is that who he is? Like, is he really the deadbeat dad? Or does he not realize at this dinner party just how douchey he comes across when he's this tall? Every episode? Every episode. It's just like- Something leaves his mouth and it's like, no.

Did he say, you know what, I'll be that guy? Because it is good television. I mean, I can't speak for him, but I will just say as someone who experienced it and went through it, and then also what I see, like, because, you know, I don't know what he's going to say in a confessional or whatever. And then I hear it, I'm like, wow. And I don't see behind their closed doors when they film. So seeing him interact, especially in the therapy session, my heart sank for Michelle

because they had been going through problems the entire time. But Michelle is such a good person. And so it was like to see her have to sit there and just have him just be so mean. And every single time at the Capri dinner where he's like, I'm like, wait, I thought you were just trying to get everyone

to listen to her and now you're trying to shut her up. I was like, wow, this is so controlling. And then, yeah, seeing him in front of Isabella too, it's just, it's just like, you were, he decided to be messy. But that's who, that's the person you've gotten to know. Oh, I mean, he's, I didn't know maybe it was, I've known him for like two or three years.

I guess that's my question. You know, for two or three years, we're seeing this very specific side of him. Is that all you've seen or over two or three years, have you got to see endearing, nice, oh likeable, oh, give this guy a chance. You know what I'm saying? Are there moments where we're just not seeing? Yeah, no. Uh, I mean, I mean, maybe there's going to be one that I don't know, but from

my perspective, from what I've seen, not really. And yeah, like I remember one time Michelle was telling me a story about like, Oh, Jesse has to have the, we have to clean all the sheets at this. Like he's very like OCD about some things. I was like, okay, tell like what? Like tell him to do that. Like you don't have to adhere to whatever he needs. It was like very weird.

Yeah, I didn't like that either. That moment when she's in the kitchen, like trying to prepare for a party and he comes in and goes, why are you, why did you wait 30 minutes until people come over? And he's sitting at the island and she's like on the ground trying to pull out bowls and stuff. And he was just like, not gonna help you,

but I'm gonna criticize what you're doing and how you And he was just like, I'm not going to help you, but I'm going to criticize what you're doing and how you're doing it. Not just such a loser. Like that's what he does. That's just like kind of, and listen, you know, maybe there's some other stuff that'll come up that I didn't see before that maybe will endear him to people. But, um, I mean, I don't even think. But I think when, when Jack's Taylor can say that you're a douche mean, I don't even think, but I think when Jax Taylor can say that you're

a douchebag, I think that's when you go, oh God, like red lights, everything, like you might be a problem. That's what I said. I said, Jesse makes Jax look not that bad. If you didn't know anything about Jax, if you didn't know anything about Jax or didn't watch Vanderpump beforehand, you would think Jesse was worse than Jax. Even if you did, I think you'd still feel that way. Justin has a theory about how this episode opened up very differently.

They showed a flashback of a scene we have never seen before. Usually Bravo doesn't seem to do that. Usually they're showing flashbacks of scenes we have seen before. So it was kind of like weird. And Justin has a theory as to why. So my theory basically, so last episode it was teased that there was some big fight which is where like this racial argument kind of originates from. That being said we start this week's episode not seeing that fight we

only see it through like flashbacks and then we see like the clip of you confirming that you said something without context Like we don't really know what that says and I feel like sometimes there's contracts where there's gag orders on certain topics And this was a sensitive topic and we didn't see the whole episode So I don't know if that's like the topic being why Kristen was originally like possibly left Vanderpump and that whole ordeal Yeah like, left Vanderpump and that whole ordeal. Yeah. Well, I will say that our show also, and I think even with Vanderpump rules, they're

starting to possibly do it like, it's more, nobody believes that there's not a, like the fourth wall needs to be broken. It is a very large part. It's the other person on the cast and the Kardashians have done it because, oh wait, it works and we're, and we want to be believable and authentic. And when we can't mention certain things, it doesn't work. And so luckily, which I think is great, we've broken the fourth wall already, and we continue to do so throughout the entire season, the way their storytelling.

It does require, the problem their storytelling, it does require. The problem is you have, what is it? 12 people. You guys only know Jax, Brittany, Chris. So you have nine people that you need to care about, know their backstory, know how we're all connected. And it's, it's just messy because it's very hard and convoluted. So that's like, I think their storytelling technique.

I think you're actually going to get a lot of flashbacks because there's things that are left out that I'm like, I know what they're doing. Like, and even in my, I'm being a conspiracy theorist myself because we don't get the episodes that early. So I don't even know what's gonna happen. And I'm like, oh, I can see. And so we all start to even make our own theories

about what they're gonna show or what they're gonna flash back to. But I can promise, like, I bet the rest of the season, they do a lot of that. To give more context. What really happened? Like, who started this? How did this fight turn into a whole conversation about whether Michelle was a racist because she, a racist Republican?

So I'll start with, she is not either of those things. And that it was a conversation about, I guess, that there was something said, whatever. What I will say, because unfortunately, if I say anything else, like this needs, you're going to see in the next, I hate to like, watch out and find out, but like, unfortunately, but I'm telling you it is like all will be revealed. And I hate that.

I literally hate that phrase, but all will be revealed and it, you know, throughout the next couple of episodes. What specifically would be revealed? Why, who started it and why and where this rumor came from? Because that was like the big argument is who started it, why is Kristin having to defend herself for alleged accusations about someone else being racist, given her past and things like that

and how sensitive it was. And it's just more like, I think that's what the whole fight was about, is trying to get to the crux of like, who started it? Who said what? Well, and that is the, there's so many other things that are happening that again, which I love that you picked up on that because not that we're gag war, cause

we're not about anything, but that they're using that kind of as a tool because there's so much context to give. And if we gave it, it would be a three hour episode. You know what I mean? And it is because it has gone through different people and whatever, it takes a while even for us as we're experiencing it to figure it out. So you're telling us we will get an answer

is what you're saying. Yeah, and yes, you will. You will get a def, by the end. So we'll either find out that you're the one who started it or you definitely didn't, or we'll find out that Kristen is in fact guilty of starting this rumor, or we'll find out that she in fact didn't,

or do we get to blame everything on Jess? You know what I'm saying? Is that what we're gonna? Yeah, I really hate to say I can't say anything, but yes, you, but the thing that I can tell you is, you will get a definitive answer by the end of the season. You'll get it pretty much by the middle of the season though. Of what?

What will be answered specifically? Like in a couple, what specifically will be answered is exactly what you said. So where everything came from, what exactly was said, and who it was said about. So is this kind of gonna be the story for the next couple episodes then? I assume, but I think it should die down for a second

because we have, this is a very dramatic group. There's a lot going on and there's other things that pop up real soon. So I don't, we don't get anything ahead of time. We just know what we filmed. So in the hierarchy of the season, I'm like, okay, I know what could come next or what should be next. But it will definitely be the next couple of episodes. And then at the very end, it comes all back around.

Can I ask if the whatever was said about Michelle, whoever not whoever said it, but was it repeated correctly? Or was it kind of a classic case of telephone? Like somebody dropped a detail, added their own spin to it, and then that's what got back? Um, yeah. It's not a bad case of telephone. It's a miss. Yeah. You'll see. You'll see.

I was like, it's just maybe I'm, no, I'm just going to say you have to see because even if I said something else, it doesn't even, I'll just let you'll see. I was like, it's just maybe I'm, no, I'm just gonna say you have to see, cause even if I said something else, it doesn't even, I'll just let you all watch. I know that sucks and I'm sorry and send all the hate comments you want that I'm gatekeeping and baiting you all. Are you at least able to let like Kristen off the hook? Oh yeah, Kristen can be her own worst enemy sometimes, but her heart is always there.

And like, yeah, Kristen is my best friend outside of, like, Britney Kristen, my writer dies in LA. And yeah, like, we definitely have gone through it this season. Ups and downs. And I didn't understand where she was coming from. She didn't understand where I was coming from. And there was, in that regard, there was some miscommunication. There was like, just a lot of emotions. And you will, you will also see

like, that as well. You'll see our friendship arc too. But Kristen is always... Kristen. So, you know, but I can, for me, I... Do you think Kristen's matured over the years? 100%. Because, I mean, just look at the Capri party in general, when she's trying to apologize

and just sit there and be like, granted, like, I know there was a lot of stuff going on. That was, that was very hard to digest. And you guys didn't even see the half of it, so that's why I know we're flashing back to things that were said there later. But it was a very intense moment. And she did, she was trying to take responsibility for actions. Maybe it takes her a little bit longer to fully realize why everybody's so mad, but she does eventually.

Do you think people were justified to be madder? Or do you think it was more, in this particular instance, Kristen having to work against her reputation for, you know, being crazy, Kristin, and being loose with her lips and starting drama. And do you think it was more of that in this particular instance, rather than actually her being the start of the drama? I mean, I definitely think that we were justified in the way that she disseminated the information. Because it was like, where did this come from? She just said that because she was like backed in a corner, or like that's how she felt right, because the whole like Alex being at guys night was dropped on her.

Which was, I mean, when I said, when you say like Jack Taylor's good reality, I'm like, did I say? Because, or did you say that? Oh, or I say, when you say like, Jack Taylor's good reality, I'm like, cause or did you say that? Oh, or you said, I mean, he is good television. I just, uh, I've always been very critical of Jack's cause it's just like, he has no as you should be. I think people that I don't think anything, he's a bad person who doesn't deserve the spotlight he gets because. And then I think other people are just, you know,

Kristen can be messy, but like you said, she has a good heart. And she's great television. And TV, yeah. And Larry Jax, I think no one is literally safe with Jax. I think he doesn't care about, again, I don't know how to diagnose people, so this is just conjecture and just one person's opinion,

but he does come across as like sociopathic. Yeah. I mean, for me, it's like, I don't know what the sociopathy is like such a very specific thing, but I do feel like- But if there's anyone on reality TV who like, truly doesn't care about anyone else but himself, doesn't understand good or bad or morals or values or doing the right thing or cares about his character

or other people's characters. He just cares about him and attention and winning. And I have yet to meet anyone or see anything that tells me anything other than that is who Jax Taylor is. And we have over a decade of information on this. It's not like watching one season of The Bachelor and then one person has one, and then making a snap judgment about one scene over, you know.

You're like, I can write my thesis on this. Yeah, because someone like said, can I interrupt you? You know, and something trivial is that. We have a guy who has destroyed lives. And- Year after and and year after year And not given any fuck and is never actually sorry and The thing and I think it's with everybody in our friend group He has moments of like oh that like I'm of being a human. I know yeah exactly of humanity

I know I hate when I do that too. But is it actually him being a human or him doing what he thinks a human should do? Exactly, I know, is it the performance, yeah. It's like he knew what to say about Tom Sandoval when everyone was saying it, you know? Yeah, well, and also I think the reason people are easily, or not easily, but can, he's been softened in some people's eyes

is because Brittany is with him. Sure. In the end, it's like, we all wanna protect Brittany, do what's best for Brittany, whatever that is. So we, sometimes we walk a fine line to try to, you know, protect her, help, I don't know. Just one of those things that is very difficult to... He's part of the package.

And he's also the father of her child. And my best friend. And trust me, when things went down in the past, there were moments where Jax and I had full on, like, I mean, we didn't throw fists or anything, but like full on fights where... Did he take his shirt off and try to hug you? That's a J's tailor move.

The run up. I'm really glad he didn't. Into a security guard's arms. Yeah. But... You've never seen someone try to hug someone during a fight. I think he was... Yeah, I don't even know what he was trying to do at that point.

Season two. Anyone asking? Or is that season one? No, it's season... It's one Stassi's birthday, I guess. Yeah, is that... But that's season one. Yeah.

Yeah, season one. But with, we, because, over Brittany, and then when they ended up getting back together, all of a sudden Brittany and Jackson, I didn't hang out with them as much for a little while. And I realized, oh, because I got too involved, and I kind of learned, like, that's not, I need to stay neutral and do in that moment. Like I spend the night at their house more than other people, like other people have kids or whatever. I just stay over. And so I see a lot of things and deal with them in certain states where I'm like,

okay, in this moment, what's going to help solve this now so we can get to a point where we could talk about this later. And so it's kind of just like playing that neutral part now. What do you want for your friend Brittany? Like what if you were to give her friendly advice when it comes to her and her relationship with Jax? What would you what do you think it's best for her? I think what's best for Brittany is following her heart. No I do I know I'm kidding. I think what's best for Brittany is following her heart. No, I, I, I do. I know I'm kidding. Um, I think what's best for Brittany is to protect herself and, and also just, she has not been happy and she'll straight up say this to anybody.

She's not been happy. There has been so many situations that have gone down and she, she, you know, it, the problem is it's so hard to rip off the last part of the band-aid. You know, it's like, that's the hardest part. And when you have a kid together and you have a house and all these things, it's a lot of decisions and a lot of paperwork and a lot of like emotions attached to this person. Breakups give her very hard,

even when you're breaking up with Jax Taylor. But do you think she'll be better off without him rather than trying to reconcile with him? And just in your opinion. Right, in my opinion, I think that at this point, it's clear there's no way forward because he's not making even the smallest effort. Yeah, and there's not a single precedent

from his behavior over the past 10 years that suggests that he is even capable, let alone willing to change. Exactly. Like literally, he... After things had happened in the past, like there was a moment where I think he had a come to Jesus moment and was like, Oh, I really am like, I'm a bad person or like thing. I'm not doing things right. And he did make a lot of changes. Unfortunately, there was a lot of things that were not changed. And then I think he felt-

Like what were the changes he made? I mean, I hate to say not cheating, not like just fully throwing Brittany under the butt or like, not like, um, again, like just- Is this post, um, his father's death? Cause I feel like once that happened, I think he really was like, I'm going to try to be the man that my dad would be proud of or the husband. And I feel like we saw him make efforts at that point. But yeah, I know in the last year or two of like them not being on television, I feel

like we saw like a retraction just like social media. Yeah. Well, three, I say four years. So since 2020, that's really what started, because Cruise was conceived in 2020. And so the second, it was, they had had issues before, but like COVID really did not do anybody any favors. And with them not being like being on top of each other and whatever, it became like a, yeah,

like just a very toxic environment. And it's like, you can't get away from it because it's COVID. So then why do you think they decided to like start a bar and a podcast and whatnot? Cause I feel like you've kind of now, like she's kind of like entrapped in work life. The thing that I think people, again,

like you were saying with Vanderpump Rules, like they're mad at Ariana cause it's three months. No, this was a year ago. So when we filmed last year, Brittany has always been fully in love, ride or die, you know, protect family with Jax. It wasn't until like probably October where the final straw happened and she's like, wow, you're, and you'll see it through the season. Like, I hate to say that, but like, you'll see so many moments of like.

I mean, I see it. Well, you already see it, but you're going to get some real, especially when they have their date night and like a couple episodes and you've seen it in the preview where the cab, Brittany's like, no, Brittany's like, I don't. Well, that too. Oh God. Cause he always comes after her because he's deflecting on his own behavior. Right.

And it's like, Brittany isn't doing this. It's you. And he wakes up mad and angry and it's like, dude, sometimes just give her a break. She's the sweetest person and she can deal with you. Why can't you just kick them off the show? Her show, their show, their podcast. Oh, well, I mean- Yeah, why doesn't this just Britney?

Well, I mean, I think they're, you know, those are business decisions that they'll, you know, figure out together. And for now, I think they're alternating hosting and then every once in a while, they'll host one together. Do you think there's a world? Britney's a bigger person. That's the thing is she can deal with it

and that's how strong she is. Characterized? Yeah, like if this was me, yeah, I'm not professional. Like I'm gonna go off on, like no, I'm gonna, yeah, I'm gonna go to your house, probably pop your tire so that you can't make it to the, you know what I mean? Where do you think Brittany's priorities lie?

Because for example, like Jack's priority seems to be the Valley. He wants this to work. This is his second chance. He got fired from Vanderpump from an optics standpoint, from a fan of Bravo and just being a, if you are a fan of Jack's, you're like, I haven't really seen this guy.

He's kind of disappeared, right? He's got his platform, he's got his Instagram. You haven't really seen him. Now the Valley comes out, it's on TV. It's like, you know, what Vanderpump was supposed to grow into. There's even like talk of like Lala and Sheena moving to the Valley in hopes that like

they can get on the Valley. If Vanderpump like doesn't go anywhere after this, that seems to be Jack's priority. Like make this work at all costs because all Jack's knows how to be is a reality TV star. He doesn't even know how to be a good person. Barely knows how to be a husband, maybe a decent father. Well, I was going to say functioning here.

Yeah. But I guess my question is as a friend to Brittany, where do you think Brittany's priorities lie? Where do you think the Valley lies in her list of priorities? Because I ask you, the reason I ask you is because now publicly they're going through a separation, possibly a divorce. we're in the beginning of season one of the Valley. I think everyone hopes that there is a season two, but that may not you know align with Brittany's overall like values. Like it's there's a strong

argument to be made that like Brittany on her own on social media probably does just fine. She's probably the breadwinner, I'm guessing. As a mom, she has great influence on what she might use as a mother, how everyone seems to really like Brittany. She's probably making money outside of the Valley. And there's a strong argument to be made that for her own mental health and the mental health of her child and her just general sanity that she shouldn't be working with her ex-husband. And I don't think Jax is gonna leave the valley if season two valley comes on. So is there a world where Brittany says, you know what, this is not for me.

I don't think that Brittany sees it like that because she is so good at being able to separate that. And also why should she have to like bow out when it's her best friend, it's all of her friend group too. And also, why should she have to like bow out when it's her best friend, it's all of her friend group too? No, I know, but I'm saying like- I'm not talking about like what would be fair or what would be right.

It would be because Jax, Taylor, again, the only thing he seems to care about is this show. And we all know he's not gonna fucking budge. And would it be fair? Absolutely not. Would most of the audience be like, it should be Britney if we have to pick, Jax needs to go.

I'm just saying, but if at the end of the day, that's why I ask, what are Britney's priorities? Because at the end of the day, she's gonna have to look in the mirror and say what matters most to be, my mental health, my child, me as a mother, my sanity, or being a mother, my sanity, you know, or being on a reality TV show.

Yeah. And she might have to choose between the two. They might not be something that she can pull off. Well, and I don't... I do agree that I don't think Jax is gonna make it easy. He's not... He doesn't make anything easy. And even though he's... Like, because I've had conversations with him after and I've said,

like, I just want to make sure that you're not going to come after her, that you're not going to, you know, make this hard on her. That you're not, well, but, but as her best friend, I was trying to like behind the scenes be like, dude, you don't do this. Like, please just let her be for once. Like just give her some grace. But I'm asking you, do you think Brittany will? I think Brittany will come back for sure.

No matter what? No matter what, because she's- Yeah, but like that, to me, I guess, back to the whole Ariana of it all, like Lala and Sheena want it more. But you know what I'm saying? Ariana is the host of Love Island, she is the star of Chicago, she is getting all these deals, and what's clear is though, even though I'm saying Ariana is the host of Love Island, she is the star of Chicago, she is getting all these deals

and what's clear is though even though I'm saying that what Lala and Sheena seem to be bothered the most is that Ariana tries the least, at the end of the day, despite us, we're still, you know what I send it to the, you know what was trending on Twitter over the weekend? Scandival. That's fucking crazy. That's crazy that this much time has passed from the actual scandal and then over the fucking weekend, Scandival. That's fucking crazy. That's crazy that this much time has passed

from the actual scandal and then over the fucking weekend, somehow that was trending. Why? I don't know, but it's clearly still very much talked about. And so like season 11 is obviously the fallout of Scandival and like, obviously we need Ariana to be there, but even on season 11, as much as like we are riding for Ariana,

and again, I empathize with where she's coming from. She's not playing good. At the end of the day, she's not playing, this is all about her, I'm defending her because I'm defending the fact that she has outgrown this show. Now, if season 12 comes along and Ariana is still playing the whole I can't hang out with Tom Sandoval routine,

and how could you guys, it's kind of like, well, why did you come back, Ariana? I root for her happiness and I root for her and she has transcendent Vanderpump. So it's kind of like, go and transcend Vanderpump. And again, life's not fucking fair. My point isn't whether, if we all ask, if the question is who deserves to be on season two

of The Valley of More, Brittany or Jax, it's unanimous. It's Brittany. But that, if the question is who deserves to be on season two of The Valley of More, Brittany or Jax, it's unanimous, it's Brittany. But that's not the question. The question is, knowing how reality TV works, when Jax Taylor says, fuck this, I put this show together, I am this show, whether we actually believe that or not. And he's like, I'm not fucking going anywhere. And the producer's like, well, he might be a bad person,

but he's great fucking TV, so we're not gonna fire him. And it's like, Brittany, what do you wanna do? And I'm just saying, eventually Brittany is going to be faced with that decision, and fans are going to say, hey, listen, sometimes you just have to pick being a better mother or your own mental health, and it's not fair, and the fact that you are so willing to work with this piece of shit,

questions just how shitty it is. Life is full of tough choices. And I'm just wondering if Brittany, without exception, you're guaranteeing she'll be on season two regardless of what Jax does or doesn't do, or how miserable he makes her life, eventually that's going to be flack she's gonna have.

That's a decision she's going to have to defend. Yeah, but I feel like with Brittany, unlike Ariana, and especially in this season, like again, it's only three months, that was a nine year relationship that ended with a seven month cheating scandal with her best friend. If that had happened, I would say a 100%, she's probably not coming back. You know what I mean? Like, cause that's like, you gotta get out of that situation or whatever, maybe, I don't know.

But I feel like Ariana came back, made a choice and maybe isn't playing ball and not like, like if you're on the show, you have to at least, if you're gonna like have a scene with him, yell at him then, you know what I mean? Then have it out with him. But I feel with Brittany and Jax, she would do it and then, but she's gonna, because she's the best mom ever, she can do that and handle the show with Jax.

And I feel like she's just different. She's done it before too. She's done it before. She's had to... He cheated on her and whatnot. She kind of had her like single. Yeah. I mean, it's just a lot to... And also, if you think about it... It She's had to... He cheated on her and whatnot. She kind of had her, like, single... Yeah, I mean, it's just a lot to...

And also, if you think about it... It's a lot to accept. Stassi had to stay on when Jax was terrible to her. Kristen had to stay on when James was terrible to her. Had to? Well, not had to, but, like, it's their job. That's my point. Like, Stassi was a 23-year-old, like, up and coming, wanting to make it in Hollywood.

Brittany is in a very different situation. She has other people to care about, and including, you know, and I'm just at some point. This is not as Jax. Yeah, but I feel like you can film. Again, we all know what Jax is gonna do. Again, we're not, we are, this argument is, this discussion is based off the assumption

that Jax is a piece of shit, only cares about himself, has no morals, yada yada yada yada yada. So let me add this into it. Jax is gonna do it behind cameras or on camera. So like he's gonna be just as horrible to her off camera that he would on. So why not get paid for it? That's where I'm at.

Why not show the world your side of the story? Exactly, because also, thank you, actually that's a great point. Cause now, cause J's always media-facing, I love my wife is amazing, blah, blah, blah, gets home, different story. That is, like, why should she not be able to tell her side? I mean, I know you didn't say- She has a platform.

She is- Well, and she would, but I'm just saying, like, she coming back. It's kind of the same thing for me with the, like, Ariane and Tom Sandoval thing where everyone's like, why won't she move out? I'm like, why won't he? Like, why is it like to where she needs to make the big decision to be the bigger person?

But at the same time, I'm like, if both people are tied into something. I'll tell you, I mean, to answer your question is because Arianna is the one who refuses to be around Tom and Tom has no problem interacting with Arianna. And again, it's not about whether... You think he has no problem living in the same house as her? No, I don't think Tom cares.

I think he cares because Ariana's willing to make his life difficult, and it's very much an inconvenience to him, but he's not emotionally triggered by Ariana. Just, you know, Ariana's triggered by Tom. We all understand why. So again, this is not about fair. We understand it's not fair. It's about like sometimes life makes you make a

couple tough choices. But like again, I can understand where Ariana's coming from. I can empathize with how she's feeling. But eventually you just have to make a choice. And if you keep putting yourself in the same situation that triggers you over and over, every time that happens, you get to complain about being triggered less and less. That's all I'm saying. Well, I think actually,

I think actually the, I agree with that though. You can't complain about being triggered if you're putting yourself in those situations. But like, look at Stassi, she decided not to come back. She was originally supposed to be part of our show. She decided not to because she has... It's like, I don't need this in my life. Because she has so much success and like,

she's doing amazing things on social media and on like multiple podcasts now. I wouldn't be surprised if she started her own network. Like, that's, I see that for her. So she outgrew it, she decided, you know what? This is, I'm not gonna put myself in that situation. Like that's that I see that for her. So she outgrew it. She decided, you know what? This is, I'm not going to put myself in that situation. I feel like with, with Brittany, especially she's like, okay, well, it's not that she

hasn't outgrown it, but she's just, she has a child with Jax and he's going to be on the TV show no matter what. So it's like, it's almost like in that way she's going to be on the TV show no matter what. So it's like, it's almost like in that way, she's going to be pulled on anyway. Yeah, I think I would rather have the ability to defend myself versus let one person set up a narrative, however it fits them. And then having to be like a like a Rachel and get on my podcast or get on my social media to like act like I removed myself because I'm over it. But in actuality, I'm commenting on everything and watching it with a hawk eye.

I hear that, but it's back to the, do you want to be right or do you want to be happy? And I just like going to war with Jax Taylor will never allow you to be happy, because he'll never quit, he'll never concede. But she has a child with him, she is tied to him. She's stuck with him forever. So it's not like removing herself from the show

ain't gonna help anything. Because I always love when people are like, you have a kid together, so you're tied together for 18 years. I'm like, no, it's forever. For life, for life. And yeah, it's just like, there's no other bond like having a kid. Like that, a thousand percent. Your kid gets married in 25, 30 years from now, you're still running into your ex.

It's never. Maybe even forced to walk down the aisle again with them. But I will say, since they've been separate, I have never seen Brittany more happy, more flourishing, whatever. So even though Jax is still, it's funny because she now, now she laughs at the things because she's like, I don't even have to deal with you like this. So actually, I think she's in a better mental state anyway. And I think that'll continue because now she can go, okay

Bye, I'm gonna go to my house I'm gonna take our kid. I'm gonna go to my house now. She's done She can block him on things and she doesn't have to have it at home, too I love that for her now cuz I also Listen a clip from their podcast and Brittany typically doesn't put Jackson his place You kind of see it in the first episodes of The Valley that it's like Jax does something and who's there for cleanup crew? Brittany, not Jax, not defending himself, whatever.

And then they did a podcast episode and there was a snippet where she was calling him out and I was like, oh, I love to hear it because she would never put him in his place before and now that they're not together, she's like, no, well, you're the one that kept talking about it. There was a, wait, when Kristen, Jax, and Brittany did an interview with like, I think

it was like AXIS or whatever. Oh, I saw them. And he's like, I just want to like, I don't want to talk about that stuff. And Brittany's like, I'll talk about it. I loved it. That was pretty great. It was, oh, it was just so perfect. And she's like, okay, well, I'm ready.

So and Kristen's in the middle of them. And it's just like, it's so awkward, but so great. Okay. I just have one small question. Yeah. And Kristen's in the middle of them, and it's just like, it's so awkward, but so great. Okay. I just have one small question. Yeah. So in the episode, they cut back to a flashback, not once, but twice, of you saying,

well, you're not wrong. How do you feel about that being in there with no context whatsoever? I mean, it is, it is hard. Number one, it's hard for the audience. I bet you guys like- It's so confusing. It's so confusing. Because it seems like you're confessing that you did it., it is hard. Number one, it's hard for the audience. I bet you guys like. It's so confusing. It's so confusing. Because it seems like you're confessing that you did it.

I know. Yeah. Because I'm again, not trying to give. I think Kristen was like blaming you. Yeah. Right. Well, and that, and that I get, I get how it looks. Next episode, next week, you see all like the context of it all

and Kristen has in her confessional, like what happened. It's a much more, they go more deep diving into it. I almost thought like Vanderpump Villa, they gave like three episodes out at first to like, so you get to know the people instead of just trying to do it episode by episode. And so when you get to this last episode, I'm like, oh great. I was like, okay, I'm going to look real like flip floppy, lying. I mean, don't get was like okay I'm gonna look real like flip-floppy lying. I mean don't get me wrong I am shady sometimes I am petty I am whatever but in this moment I was like but they didn't I was like editing was shady in

that one but you will see next episode more explanation of it and that flashback obviously I did say more and I think they're gonna use another clip from that too so it's I actually am really enjoying how they are changing up the storytelling with our story or with our show. What do you want people to know about you as a person or a personality on the show going into that, then, since you're kind of at the stake right now? Yeah.

I really hope people take the chance to get to know me. I'm definitely a very polarizing person. Just, I'm loud in general. This is not for show or anything. I'm just a loud person. I have opinions on everything. But I'm ride or die loyal to my friends and my family. And I just hope people take the time to get to know me

and they can look past the hair. Why wouldn't you have great hair? I know. Listen, I think- Can we see it now? And I just hope people take the time to get to know me and they can look past the hair You have great hair. I know I listen. I can see it now. Yeah, cuz I can only if only if you're comfortable See that's the thing Back just give them a oh the hairline. Yeah It's first class yeah, Justin, I don't want to rip it did it seem real. It's real. It's hot. Oh, it's great. It's first class. It's growing out of it. It's first class. It's first class. Yeah. Justin.

I don't want to rip it. Did it seem real? It's real. Okay, guys, that's a toupee. No, I'm just kidding. After all that, no. It looks great, man. Great hair glue.

That's why I ran out there with a deviated septum. Gorilla glue. Well, let's go back to that. Okay. All right. Anything else before we let our boys echo? I think that covers it. Wait, did I just survive my first vile files? You did great, man.

You did. Oh my God. Thank you. We should get you a t-shirt. Were you worried? I know. No, that's it. I was going to actually suggest that on the side to see.

I was like, you guys should have like, I survived vile files. We should give them to all the guests after. You guys scare people? I've heard, you do some things to people. Like I think people- Excuse me, what? Wait, wait, wait, you heard from who? Like scare people?

Like just people in general, like just the general public was like, you know, cause you're hard hitting. You will come in with like questions that are, you know, putting the pressure on. So wait, what are you saying? When you say I do things, could you be more specific? He's saying that you ask the hard-hitting questions

that are a little more difficult to answer. More direct. He asked the questions we wanna know. It's the follow-up questions. It's not fluff and stuff. Fluff and stuff. You know, you're more like, hey, by the way, did you or didn't you?

And you're like, be scared. I don't want you to be scared. I'm here for it. Well, I'm not now. No, I'm just kidding, I wasn't scared before. I'll mail you the t-shirt. Thank you. You survived speaking of surviving on Thursday Going deeper the one and only Monica Garcia is with us

It's a really good it's a really good interview. Do you know who that is? Salt Lake City Housewives? The finale. Bermuda. Oh, sorry. I don't know her last name. Again, that's a Bravo thing. God, what is Bravo?

We need to get this together. Monica, Salt Lake City Housewives. If you said Monica from- Reality Bounties. We were hard on Monica. Heck yeah, you were. The hardest. I wasn't, yeah, I, we were hard on Monica. Heck yeah, you were. The hardest. I wasn't even sure if we should give her a shot,

but we did. I don't know if it was scant, it wasn't like. Scanned of all level of. It was, we had to iron some things out, and I feel like we did. We'll give our thoughts and opinions on the following week from now, because I don't

want to give anything away. However they went into thinking about Monica and want them to go in with the same, you know, and I'm just curious, like, we tried to be as objective and as hard hitting as possible. I don't know how objective, but hard hitting, yes. You don't think we're objective? I'm just kidding. I gave Tom Sandoval every opportunity to be on time.

You get three hours, an hour. I gave Tom Sandoval every opportunity to be on time You get three hours an hour Zach that's hilarious. We really appreciate you. I really appreciate you for coming I wish you nothing but the best the rest of the way I hope this season goes great for you and just know that whatever we say about you on this show Don't worry. I will repost it and be like, how dare he, this is right. No, I'm kidding. We're just covering you as a, you are an entertainer. You are now an entertainer.

You are basically in the professional sports of pop culture. We're just here to Monday morning quarterback. Your choice is on TV. Your life. No, just on TV really. Your life choices. Anything you put out, like that's how we operate on the show.

It's like, if you say it on TV or you say it on your social media platform, you want it out there. And you like that and that's how I look at it. And it's just like you know sometimes I put things out on the internet and I might have the best of intentions but I still chose to put it on the internet. And even if I you know talk about how like how great it is to be a dad and blah blah blah and the internet decides to like comment about something else that has nothing to do with my commentary on being a dad, I didn't have to post that shit. else that has nothing to do with my commentary on being a dad.

I didn't have to post that shit. I did not have to put it out there. No one needed to hear my opinion. I wanted them to and I elicited feedback and even if I turn off comments, that's not really not how it works. So it's just kind of like one of those things. We choose to be in the public eye. And therefore like whether you want, we all want people to care. We just don't get to and we all prefer them to care in a positive light, but we don't get that choice We just have to be grateful that they do. Yeah, and I feel like for me, especially Like I definitely make mistakes. I but it's at the end of the day It's like can you own your mistakes?

Cuz like even with like Tom Sandoval sometimes I'm like stop but. You ought like every single time or just be like actually. Passionate man, I was so passionate. Like, oh my God, you just gotta miss the passion. Oh my God, you're, that's a great Tom Sandoval. I thought he, I was like, wait, did you Skype him in? Guys, guys, guys, like it was so much love. I was just like, but if you understood how much love there was, like you would do it too.

It's passion. So much passion. Anyways, we're passionate about this show and we're passionate about you listening. We thank you for doing so. We wanna thank Zach for coming on the Vile Files and giving us the inside scoop of all things The Valley. We do have Monica and Tyler Cameron with us

this Thursday on Going Deeper. All I gotta say is breaking news. Tune in. Holding my breath. Wow. That's all I gotta say. Wow, wow, wow, it's breaking news. Tune in. Holding my breath. Wow. Until next time. And then we're back with Ask Nick on Monday. Yeah, for sure. What was the title of this week's episode? That's actually right now. Go back and fucking listen to it. Cheating calendar. Cheating calendar. What's my title of my episode gonna be? What do you want it to be? Should we brainstorm that now?

When I say cheating calendar, what does that mean to you? That means that there's a calendar that somebody found or like that was on somebody else's phone and then they saw that they had like set up cheat dates. Their appointments? Possibly. I don't know. We should go listen to Ask Nick and find out more. It's a great episode. Check it out. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.

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