The Viall Files - E733 GD with Monica Garcia - RealityVonTease, Car Chases, and Rihanna + Tyler Cameron’s New Show/OnlyFans

Episode Date: April 11, 2024

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Going Deeper Edition! To start things out, the household gets together with Tyler Cameron to talk about recent headlines - such as Tyler’s new show, his OnlyFans, Gypsy Rose’s nose job, and Rachel encouraging Jo to post Katie and Dayna hate. Then, we talk to Monica Garcia about all things RHOSLC, Jen Shah, and Reality VonTease. We even get some insider information on if the other women on the show knew she was behind the account, and some special news regarding Monica’s personal life. We also have a Texting Office Hours caller who cut her parents off, and Monica and Nick have a great conversation about the benefits and consequences of doing so. We also get a bonus Zoom with Monica where we get to check in with her since recording the interview, and ask some additional questions about her exciting news.  “They were the biggest f*cking fans.”  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: OneSkin - Get 15% off OneSkin with the code VIALL at https://www.oneskin.co #oneskinpod Beis - Right now, BÉIS is offering our listeners 15% off your first purchase by visiting https://www.BEISTRAVEL.com/VIALL  Sundays For Dogs - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to https://www.sundaysfordogs.com/VIALL or use code VIALL at checkout. Caraway - Visit https://www.Carawayhome.com/VIALL to take advantage of this limited-time offer for 10% off your next purchase. Caraway. Non-Toxic cookware made modern. Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @monicnikiagarcia @tylerjcameron @nnataliejjoy @ciaracrobinson @alison.vandam @dereklanerussell @leahgsilberstein @justinkaphillips  Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 02:08 - Tyler Cameron Updates 23:42 - Pop Culture Headlines 36:45 - Monica Garcia Interview 40:11 - RHOSLC 01:40:26 - Texting Office Hours 02:16:46 - Announcement 02:26:47 - More Questions 02:40:17 - Monica Zooms In 03:03:31 - Outro 

What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another episode of The Vile Files Going Deeper Edition. I am your host Nick. Joined by the household, we got Allie, Sierra, Lea, the love of my life, baby, mama, soon to be wife. Allie Joy is with us. And why are you naked? Cause you said we're going deep tonight.

Oh my God. I don't know. I'm sorry guys. We're already here. No, I'm gonna be professional. Nat. You got something to promote. Eyes up, Nat.

Sorry. It's a big day. As we would say in high school, see anything you like, speak up. Okay. Is anyone else really hot? All right, well, before we get to talking about Tyler's new hit show,

I know you all are very much excited to tune in for Monica. We are excited to bring it to you. I don't wanna give too much away, obviously. A lot of this episode was about, with Monica, like we had a lot of strong opinions coming in. We wanted to give her an opportunity to explain herself. We didn't seem like we really had that opportunity on the reunion, a lot of unanswered questions.

And then, kind of like, a la like Tom and Tom's interview, it just like, it took off on a life of its own. And then Monica dropped some information that, well, again, don't wanna spoil it, don't wanna give it away, but we weren't even sure if we were gonna keep it in the episode. It's important to note that we recorded this episode

about a month ago with Monica, and then the information she did drop, we did verify multiple times that she was okay with us keeping it in. And therefore we also did a quick update interview with her, literally this morning to check in with her, which is at the very end of the interview. So when it's done, don't go away.

The interview is not quite done yet. And we talk about Rihanna, we talk about this car. I mean, it's, that's all I'm gonna say. But seriously, why are you naked? You know, we gotta get views, Nick. We gotta get views, I got a show coming out, we gotta do whatever we can. I do respect the hustle.

We're promoting it, you know, sex sells, you know, and it's a big day. You really, I will say, I'll try. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Yeah. You do sexy well. Try. I say that friend to friend.

I think some, even myself, sometimes, you know, you try to do sexy guys and it just, it doesn't land. It comes off cringy. It comes off like. Dushy, it's like trying too hard. Yeah. But it's like you were made to, fuck. Pfft.

Ha ha ha ha. You're gonna make me blush, Nick. You were made to lay in debt. You make you blush? I'm looking at your cock. With my fiance. I'm a very secure man, but you're really... Nick's view right now. I do appreciate you crossing your legs.

Well, Natalie's here, you know, I do don't wanna give the viewers this shot, you know, but. It's like an eclipse. I know we had one of those recently. Yeah, yeah. Look, we got the Tyler eclipse. Oh, man. Jesus Christ.

Ah! You know, I did a lot of this on The Bachelorette. Did you? They put me in a kilt and they told us if you wear underwear underneath it becomes a skirt. Well, I didn't wear underwear then. So I had the kilts on and I would do like, I would, the camera guy would be filming

and I would just sit crisscross applesauce right in front of him. We'd be like at the coffee table, have like a guys chat and I would just put my foot on the table like this and it would just be full shot. And I got one black box. There should have been like four other chances. So what you're saying is your dick is on ABC?

Yeah, they got it. My dick's on... Wow. That's what you're saying in a lot of places. Your dick's on Fox too. Okay. Yeah. But yeah, it's a...

A lot of ladies listening to this episode right now are being like, yeah. Where can I find those dailies? Google search. OnlyFans. This is a weird time to mention that you held our daughter last night. Yeah, with clothes on.

He was close. Thank God. Jesus Christ. He was close. She was, I think, was, you said you've only held three babies. I probably have like three babies in my life. He was a little nervous at first. It was an honor.

It is a true honor to be able to hold someone's baby because that is a life that means so much to you guys and you guys were able to let me hold your baby. True honor, very thankful, very grateful, but very, very scary. You did a good job. You eased in. I had to coddle and make sure that life is good, can't drop the baby, you know, and I have a known history for fumbling the football in college. That's why I didn't work out in the NFL. Glad that you're telling them this now. No, he said it. I fought a woman and there was just like...

He was sitting, so I felt comfortable. And she warmed up to you. She's ended up like kind of falling asleep in your arms. And then threw up on me. You do have a new show coming out. I do. I'm very excited for it. I'm excited.

It's going home with Tyler Cameron. Comes out April 18th on Prime Video This show has been a true labor of love. It's been four years in the making to get to this point Yeah, it's been you know kind of the main reason why I never really wanted to do any other Like big reality show where you lead because I wanted this I was one I was believe bet on yourself you know, this was my thought this is my idea and I love construction and people like, what are you going to do next? I was like, well, I want to do this. Some things that happened that pushed us back, you know, we can never predict. And, you know, part of my mom's passing happened

the day before we're supposed to shoot our sizzle reel. I'm sorry to hear that. You know, and so like that delays us. And then two weeks later, COVID happens and the world shuts down. And so just all these things that kept pushing and pushing, pushing to finally be here to be able to release his show next week, April 18th, is just like, like one of the biggest things that most proud of like we went, all this work is finally coming to fruition and we're making it happen. So your mom knew about the show. Yeah, she was, I mean, she was supposed to be my partner in the show.

Like she was supposed to be like my real estate agent and She was supposed to be my real estate agent, my lead woman to help me find projects, jobs, all that stuff. And she was kind of already doing that for me then. And the sad part is, is like a week before my mom passed, my dad paid off the house. And this is my childhood home. The first house they ever bought together was this house. And that's what I was born and brought to.

And he paid off the house, this house is yours, free and clear. And then we're supposed to go shoot the sizzle reel, and then the whole backstory of the show was, I was gonna renovate this house, surprise her, give her the keys, and that was that. So that was like a very bittersweet moment, you know, to renovate that house.

And you see like the, that storyline carries throughout the whole show of what we go through and what it takes to do that. But now it's just a place that we're so proud of and is near and dear to our hearts. And we definitely honored our mom throughout many ways in that house and it's our home forever. Well, everyone loves a good home makeover story and a home makeover show.

Can we come to expect, like, obviously a lot of people are going to be tuning in, you know, because they know and love you, but we're going to see some real home makeover. Yeah, you do. Anyone who loves watching these types of shows, like, can they come to expect the quality of a homemaker show that they love? Yeah, I think you're gonna get nine renovations and eight episodes. It's gonna be fun to watch.

You get all episodes at once. What's fun, like in a home rental show, you typically get like a before, a middle part of just like more renovation stuff, and then you get it after. Our show is like a hybrid in a sense that you get the before, right in the middle, the meat of it is like fun reality stuff, you kind of follow my world, follow what's going on and whatnot. And then you get the before, right in the middle, the meat of it is like fun reality stuff, you kind of follow my world,

follow what's going on and whatnot. And then you get back to the end of like the reveals and all that stuff. So it's a fun hybrid show, I think it'll be really, really cool. And you get to see a place that I love, the people I love, and you get to see me grow up and me learn the business

because it's really starting from ground zero. Wait, that's so sick. And you have a lot of people, like a lot of people that are close to you on the show. Your dad is on it, right? Yeah, my dad's on it. Rob, who's like a big partner on the show, he's been my friend for 12 years

and kind of like a mentor and big brother. You got, you know, Matt and Rachel come around, we got Hannah Brown on the show, Jason Tardick, we got, I mean, the people we're renovating the house for, like Brent Boyd, I played football with him in Little League and we played high school ball together. Chelsea broke my heart when I was 16, as my first real high school girlfriend.

She's on it. She's on it, we renovate her house. So it's like, you get all these fun storylines of how I grew up and then also today. That's awesome. So Jason, Matt, where we just... We weren't on special forces yet. That's when Tyler was like,

Oh, he hated you. Yeah. Oh, right, right, right. Now he's gonna get on my couch. Now he's season two. We've come a long ways, you know? We've come a long ways. Remember when that's all Tyler could talk about

in every interview is how much he hated you before. Yeah, it's a great storyline. It's great art. It's like a film story. It's great art. It's like a novel story. It's a comeback. It is, we all love a good comeback story. And now look how comfortable we are with each other. Were you aware of who Monica from Salt Lake City is?

I'm aware of what goes down in Utah. Yeah. Yeah. That place is crazy. That place gets down. Utah is wild. The drama has not left Monica's life. Like Bravo today must be upset with themselves.

As they should be. They chose the wrong side. Bad call. I did not realize that I would think that. And we'll get into what we think of Monica next week on Reality Recap. It is really something. Speaking of something,

should we go over some topics with Tyler? Topics with Tyler. Yes please. Ooh, new segment. Ooh, topics with Tyler. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God with Tyler. New segment. Oh, topics with Tyler. Oh my God. Oh.

Oh. What do you know about Gypsy Rose, Tyler? I know she shared the same middle name as your daughter. Oh, that she does. Yes she does. And it is important to say, especially now, that name was picked out before we interviewed her. Mm-hmm.

Yes. I heard, I think I saw on your guys' thing, she like dumped that guy, has got a new guy. You listened to the podcast? Yes. I'm a fan of the podcast, and they got matching tattoos now with the new man. Well, her new man was her old man,

who left her, left her. And- But she was still in prison. Well, she was still in prison, then she got married to Ryan. She filed for divorce, she is not wasting any time. She she was still in prison. Then she got married to Ryan. She filed for divorce. She is not wasting any time. She's a celebrity.

You don't have long marriages when you're a celebrity. You're in and out now. Okay. Jesus Christ. You know, we get married too. Is that why you're not coming to our wedding? Yeah, he's like, it's not going to last. I'm not going to come to that.

It'll be like, there'll be three more. Maybe in my lifetime. I don't know about the next lifetime. Well, Dr. Paul Nassif issues a stark warning to Gypsy Rose Blanchard in the wake of her nose job as a 32 year old opens up about her painful recovery. I think he's just like warning her that she can go down the plastic surgery rabbit hole,

which a lot of people do when they get that first little taste of. Improvement. Perfection. Perfection. So it was a nose job, it's confirmed that she got a nose they get that first little taste of. Improvement. Perfection. Perfection. You know? So it was a nose job. It's confirmed that she got a nose job

and that's all she got. Yeah, didn't she post a picture of a. But that's it. I don't know if that was the said. That's all she's offered up to the audience. Okay, I wonder if she, it has plans to continue or if she's like, no, I just wanted to fix my nose and I'm done.

What else? This wasn't, didn't, who was it? Um, someone like offered to get her teeth, teeth fixed. So I'm like Lamar Odom, wasn't it? What? What? Lamar Odom? Yes. I think you got the wrong person. I don't. Do you know who Lamar Odom is? No, I think she's right.

Yes. Lamar Odom. He used to be married to Chloe Kardashian. No, he used to be a Los Angeles Laker. Both things at once. Two things can be true. He now has a dental company or something. Is he? Does he really? Yes.

Yeah. And so he was like, I will get your teeth fixed, Gypsy. So I wonder if she's into dental. Yeah, he literally told her that it's on the house. We're told she's receptive of the idea, but it's still unclear if she'll accept. What is the name of his company? Oxydental. That's what I'm saying.

Like, accidental, but oxydental? I don't know. Okay. If you do too much drugs and your teeth fall out, maybe that's the clientele he's pursuing. Maybe, or if your mother abuses you so much that your teeth fall out. Didn't it rot out because she drank so much soda

and everything like that? No, I believe it's because her mother removed her salivary glands. Oh. Also gave her like- What makes you like half saliva? Yeah. Yeah, and I guess that then will rot your teeth.

I think they also gave her medication that was conflicting that made them fall out as well Yeah, did you ever shop at a 99 cent store? Yeah for sure. You know, they're closing really Sightwide that's cuz inflation man. Yeah inflation. Nothing's 99 cents anymore Like nothing is 99 cents everything just ends in 99. Yeah, 4.99. Like it's all 5.99, 6.99.

But there's like, is the Dollar Tree going too? Just 99 cents? The Dollar Tree. Yeah, I feel like the Dollar Tree, that's where we shopped as a kid. I remember they used to have these little mystery bags, a blue and pink one, and it was a brown paper bag with blue question marks

and pink question marks all over them. And my dad, every Sunday before we went back to my mom's house, he would take us to the Dollar Tree And it was a brown paper bag with blue question marks and pink question marks all over them. And my dad, every Sunday before we went back to my mom's house, he would take us to the Dollar Tree and we would get our $1 mystery bag and we'd run in and pick our, and we'd open it up in the car and it would be full of junk little things.

But fond memory. Well, they're closing. Well, thanks. Not Dollar Tree, we don't know about Dollar Tree. 99 cents. 99 cents is closing your childhood. Well, that's a scam. Everything ends in 99 cents.

That's like a let down when you go in there. Is that true? That's how it evolved. I mean, I live right next to one, so I do shop there occasionally when I need something. And yeah, nothing is actually, nothing I've seen is actually 99 cents. It used to be.

It used to be maybe, but not anymore. And then the last like five, seven years they were like. 99 cents and up store. Yeah. And everything is also like you buy a bag of chips and there are like five of them in there. And it's like, oh, this is why. You want to put your clothes on now? You just want me to put my clothes on? Yeah, you must. All right.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Thank God. Wait, this is such a cute outfit. It's kind of giving Nick. Thank you. Like well not if he had cowboy boots on it would be really giving you but I like the new cowboy boot Nick Dressing Nick. Thank you so much. Yeah, you need a lady to dress. I had a higher damn stylist See I used to and then I have Natalie. It's a lot cheaper. Yeah. Well, not that you have clothes on.

I don't know if it is actually. Okay. Okay. Yeah, there is an argument to be made. Yeah. There is an argument to be made. Your love life. Yeah. Love life is good. I think this past year has been probably the biggest transformation of my life and the meaning of growing up and what I really want for my life. I know after doing this show and renovating these nine

houses I want to continue that business. I want to continue putting big things on my plate and create this larger responsibility for myself. But it also made me realize that I need someone who's going to be down to embark on this journey with me and not someone that I'm just kinda, which I always felt like I was just chasing something that glittered before and it was always like an Instagram model or this girl or that girl

and it was never something that really fed to what I believe. It was always like fitting to what they, you know what I mean? And I think now it's like I'm back home, I'm trying to find someone who's just normal, good, regular, like down to earth girl. Maybe someone who's like not afraid to get down and dirty. That too.

Yeah. That too, like someone who's already put in some sweat equity with me. Sweat equity. Sweat equity, right. Speaking of sweat equity, you're OnlyFans. Lot of sweat, not a lot of equity. Oh boy.

You're not making a lot of equity. Oh Made it free I made it free that was nice that was our team we decided we want to do this But we think the best way to do is to make it free because it's generous of you. That was very Yeah, because we want it's really just those are April Fool's joke to get publicity for the show. How many people? subscribed I think we have like Six seven thousand people subscribe. Well I did. I also did. I thought I saw like a Vial credit card. I was nervous. Yeah no I got nervous. No it said put like your name and your email and I was like, oh no, Jesus, he's gonna have a lot of questions. There was a couple at Viallfiles.com. That was me.

Yeah. Way up. All working using the work email. If you ever like do, do it, do it, I would be interested in how much you make. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like you do very well. I wanna be a high school football coach one day like I want to have a bunch of kids

I don't think I don't get hired one as a high school football coach if I have that and two I don't want to put my kids through that either like look at yours. I mean there's Enough stuff on Instagram Forever yeah, whatever's put on the internet don't they say oh yeah The Burt Reynolds shoot we did to make that bear rug shoot, I find that to be tasteful. It's like honoring, one, he's a Jupiter legend. He lived there for his last 30 years.

We have Burt Reynolds Amphitheater, Burt Reynolds Park, all these things, and Jupiter named after him because he was such a big impact to our community. So I was like, and I've always wanted to shoot that photo to honor him in a sense. Yeah, there's elegant naked, and then there's raunchy naked. Yeah, that's, and you do elegant. So that's the first elegant thing I've done.

Everything else I think leans the other way. I think that was a little raunchy. Not filmed. Yeah. Also, I think it's important to point out, because I don't know if everyone knows this, but like even your show, like this is what you have done. You know, you are in the home reconstruction business.

You are in the construction business. It's not some sort of gag. It's not like you became an influencer or became a celebrity and decided you wanted to do this and now you're doing it. This is like, it's in your DNA. Like you said, your dad always did this. And I feel like a lot of people know that,

but I don't know if everyone knows that. And I feel like that, I think it's important for people to know because I think it gives your show the legitimacy that people are looking for When they're out because like like I said, this isn't just get to see Tyler cam and look hot which you do get to see that Mm-hmm, but this is also like for all the people who do love To turn on the TV and like a like great easy Saturday afternoon watch or whatever and just watch the like the the remodel The the glow up,

what people can do to their homes and things like that, ideas, they're gonna be able to see all that. Yeah, no, I mean, even before The Bachelorette, I was probably three quarters of the way done with my first ever spec home. Like a home that we're gonna build on speculation that we're gonna sell it. Then The Bachelorette came and I was like,

all right, pops, I'm done working for $200 a week, you can have that. So it's been in my blood. But like, honestly, like that was my first time ever really diving into that world. So then you removed me from the world for like four years. And then COVID kind of brought me back into it. But this is really you see me at ground zero, diving in learning. And like, what I love about the show is I wanted it to be honest and true. In the sense that like, I'm going to fuck up and you're going to see me mess up and you're going to grow and learn from my mistakes as well. So you see from from episode one to eight, how much I grow through it

and get better at what I'm doing. It's awesome. Yeah, it'll be cool. It'll be cool. You want kids, yeah. Yeah, I want a lot of kids. A lot of kids. Yeah. What is a lot? Well, like five. I need like I need like a basketball team. I need people to be like, oh shit, the Camerons are here again.

And you're 30? 31. 31. When, what's the, what's the Cameron, Tyler Cameron ideal age for fatherhood? I would say they always like, I want to get my ducks in a row, you know, but they say that you'll do that the rest of your life and you'll never make, you'll never have a kid. I say like when I'm 35 would be amazing,

but I don't know, I think it just depends on how everything goes. I'm working my ass off right now. If it happens, it happens. I wouldn't- Did it change after holding River? It kind of got me a little excited. You were like,

and a little scared though. I'm like, cause I imagine how hard your work days are already, right? And then I imagine throwing that into the picture. I'm just like, that's so much work. I think hard is the wrong word. I mean, we are very busy. Like we definitely don't have free time,

but like hard, it's enjoy, like it's, yeah. It's not an unpleasant experience. No, no, I'm not talking about the baby. I'm talking about prior to it. Oh, prior. Yeah, like you have a lot going on to begin with, and then you throw that into the mix. It's just like, where does it fit in, you know?

It just does. Yeah. You don't really think about having to change everything. It just changes, and you just go with it. You make it work. Like, we are literally taking the show on the road. Reality recap next week. We're gonna be in Coachella.

We brought in Nally's mom to babysit. Like we're, the whole household's gonna be there. And so like we, we're making it work. Like it'll be a work weekend thanks to our good friends at Patron. But like, yeah, like it's gonna be different, you know, but we're gonna still do what we would normally do. And yeah, we're lucky to have a babysitter like Nellie's mom.

You just kind of figure it out. And so life doesn't have to change. I mean, everyone's situation is different. And again, Nellie and I are very lucky and privileged to have family and the means to have help. But if you're able to do that, you kind of figure it out and adjust. You could have a little playpen with a baby in it

and like build in something. When I sat back at the end of the night when I was going home, I was like laying in bed and I really enjoyed our dinner, our talks, all that stuff. But what I thought was like the coolest takeaway of it is like, and my dad always thought about what was his favorite part of of having kids and growing up, is you guys are a team and a family now.

The only thing that matters is everything that happens within that house. Oh yeah. You know? And it's just like, I want that. That to me was the most beautiful takeaway from yesterday, was seeing you taking care of the baby, you cooking dinner, your mom being around to help.

It's so cool to have family always around. And then I was like, your whole world is right there in that house. And to me, that to me is so cool, I want that. And that was my biggest takeaway is nothing else, nothing else matters but what is going on in that house. No, that is true.

I mean, that's been the best thing on my end. It's just like, it really, people always say ride or dies and things like that. But like when you have a family together, they become your people, like your tribe. Like the ability to just like, it just gives you immediate sense of purpose that you otherwise don't have.

Yeah. Yeah. And it's great. I love you. That's great. Love you. I love you guys. Oh my God, we love you. What else do still got to.

Do you follow any of like the Raquel, Rachel, Vanderpump? I have to say, something's happened here at the Viaphiles. We're stepping up, we got iPads now, like we're rich. Literally. We're freaking rich. Oh yeah, we have these little like. Shout out to Patrone, we got iPads now. Patrone, look at these, did you notice these?

We got these things right here. We got Mike Boxes. They come off, they come off. Mike Boxes, I could take one home. Oh, I got these, yeah. It's a memorabilia. Listen, we're always evolving, always growing. Just wait till you see the merch that,

that's fun, that's from Tyler last night. He said it was good. It's gonna be sick. If you're not growing, you're dying. Yep. So are you following any of the Vanderpump, Skandival, Raquel, Rachel? I saw Ariana, is it Ariana?

Ariana, Tomato Potato. And did you ask Tom Schwartz or anyone else? I saw She's Love Island. Yeah. She is, yeah. Are you much of a pop culture guy? I'm homeless currently, I barely don't have, I don't really have a TV. Oh my God, you're homeless.

Yeah, I'm renovating my house right now, so I have nothing. So I'm so behind the loop on everything, but I love to give my opinion on something I don't know about. Oh, we love that too. Yeah, because I could really be on the wrong side of things. Yeah, this could go on. All right, team Rachel or team Katie?

Matt's girlfriend's name is Rachel. So Team Katie. Okay. Oh, shit. Oh yeah, don't y'all hate each other? Yeah, do you still hate her? No, I love her, I love her. We were talking about that last night. I've met Matt James twice.

Once when I met you, and then once when we came to Florida for your mom's event. And yeah, boy, the Matt James I've met in real life is not the Matt James people got to see on TV. And that makes me sad. Yeah, I think Matt was so concerned about how he was gonna be portrayed in his image.

I think if he would've got around to be on The Bachelorette at first, he could've got the nerves and the worries, some about the cameras and all that stuff, out of the way. And then they just showed such a plain version of Matt that's not Matt at all. He was, in defense to him, he was not set up for success at all.

No. So Team Katie, yeah. Well, we are clearly Team Katie. Well, did you see that Rachel posted an emergency podcast episode so she could admit that she encouraged Joe to post to her stories that Katie and Dana were on the worst dressed list at the iHeartRadio Music Awards.

On the life and style. They were on the worst dressed list and Rachel called up Joe and was like, hey, babe. You should post this. I can't do this, but you should. Why did she admit to that? Cause she reposted it as well. So it's like she wanted Joe to take the hit for it

and then reposted it, but then felt guilty about it. So it's like she wanted Joe to take the hit for it and then reposted it, but then felt guilty about it. So she came forward. A lot of growth with that one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She's serving. Okay. Is that Ariana? Nope. Nope. You're on the wrong side, Tyler. Is that Rachel? Yep. Is that Tom Sandoval's ex or not ex? Well, mistress. Mistress. She looked like a mistress. She's serving mistress. She's serving mistress. She's serving mistress. She serve her, meet me in the car around the corner. With that spray tan and that leg out.

Uh-huh. Mm, anyways, that is bizarre that she admitted to calling Joe and saying, you need to put this on your story. You need to bully them. I don't think, I'm not, this is not a defense to Rachel. It is still a criticism. I just don't think she's making her own decisions.

I think, I don't think she knows how to make a decision for herself and I think she keeps getting bad and bad advice and all we're seeing is the advice that people are giving her in real time. So if you can hear us, Rachel, you need help. And then she's giving Joe bad advice. She's giving Joe bad advice. Yeah, but I mean, Joe still can make her own decisions and was wrong for posting it.

Yeah, they're all adults. Yeah. Did you ask Monica about Rihanna? Well, we did. Yes. Yes. It's in this episode. We did ask Monica about Rihanna. I'll have to watch. Yeah, Natalie wasn't here for the Monica. Well, she was. Natalie was very much here

for the Monica interview. But here for the Monica. Well, she was, Natalie was very much here for the Monica interview. But not for the Monica follow-up. The Monica follow-up, which is also in this interview. It's pure chaos. But another thing, Rihanna also talked about Kyle Richards. She did, well, they're like friends. They like shopped together in also Utah. What about Kyle, what did she say about Kyle Richards?

She thinks Kyle is dating Morgan. We all do. She says, I just feel like she was able to re-observe her marriage through a new lens. For once someone else made her feel valued, made her feel like she was cute and quirky and fun and all the great things that maybe were taken for granted before. And that's why I believe that there's something with Morgan because sometimes it takes that for you to fight for what you deserve. What a well thought out and articulate response by Rihanna, our queen.

Does she know? Is this like a friend who's speculating, but at the same time just basically giving us the truth without saying it's actually the truth or is this pure speculation? Well, Rihanna's a huge Bravo girlie, like from the jump. So she knows her stuff and also I'm sure, I'm pretty positive wasn't, oh no, Mauricio was there when she saw,

ran into her in Colorado. Yeah, but they could have like, oh wow, they could have like gone and got like a coffee and ice cream and like Rihanna could be like, girl, give me the tea. And then Rachel was like, I mean, Kyle was probably, it could have been like, yeah, I mean like Morgan is going to be. Honestly, like I have no desire to skydive.

If I ran into Rihanna and she was like, do you wanna go skydiving tomorrow? Immediately yes. Yeah. So. It's always like, who would you, if your friend jumped off a bridge, would you? Yeah, so if Rihanna did, I would.

I would tell Rihanna my deepest, darkest secrets. A thousand percent, whatever you wanna know. Do all these people hate each other? Who? Probably, yeah. All these Vanderpump, Robin people. The Housewives? It's just a mixed bag. Just seems like it.

Everyone's trying to be the number one gal. Everything is temporary, all right? One season, these two people hate each other, next season, they're best of friends. Like for example, like Lala, you thought she would ride hard for Ariana until the end of time, and now, complete 180. I think that's what's great about these shows,

is like there's always an arc to it every year, like they keep going. I think what makes my bachelor dies, is because we get one year of somebody, and then we never see them ever again, really. They don't invest into their characters. If they could have done some type of show with these characters and put them all into a house.

Could you imagine an All-Star season of Bachelor? Yeah, but don't make them do cheesy shit, like have to get engaged. Yeah, they have to, they're too obsessed with love. Yeah, they could have figured out something else that was bachelor adjacent because Tyler's right. Cause like, that's the problem with people keep going back on the show, all on me.

It's like, no matter what, the way the show is designed, it just makes you look desperate. Cause like you can't, it implies that you can't find love in the real world and you're like, I'm not coming on for that. But it's also like one dimensional like imagine if we had a summer house or real real real bachelors of whatever and like it was like because like they create they were at one point they were creating instant

celebrities in a sense that like everyone was coming up the show like my season everyone was like 700,000 500,000 2 million a million you know what I mean followers I'm like go take that group of people and go make a show. And you already have bigger following than half of the guys on Bravo. You should be pitching this. Like that's brilliant. We've, I think they've heard that idea

from plenty of people. They just, they were so reluctant to invest in their own. Yeah. I'm like just like a mixture of like a paradise and games or something where it's like the end goal doesn't have to be an engagement, but if you end up with somebody, cool. Yeah, it's more so just like,

I just want drama, I want Jersey Shore. Yeah. Yeah. Like I want them to be in a house, live in, they have to do something over the summer, hook up, bring other people to hook up with, like get drunk. Get messy.

What I've learned since diving into Bravo or like streaming reality TV is that like, you know, bachelor's amateur hour compared to the drama that unfolds on some of these other shows. Welcome. Yeah, it's really good. Did you watch JoJo's music video?

I did. What did you think? I loved it. I thought it was like high production. I thought the dancing was awesome, like hardcore. Like that's what she is. She's a dancer, she's an entertainer. So it was like from zero to whenever it ended,

like you were in. Nonstop. Yeah. Yeah, it was so good. I think- I'm proud of her. No, of course we all are. I think her humping the girl definitely gave me like,

oh, okay, wasn't ready for that. But like she pulled it off. A lot of people were alarmed by it for sure. But I think it's like, like it became a huge moment that people talked about. Exactly. And if you got a, I mean, she was trending on the charts before the song even came out.

Insane, and then I think a couple days ago, it had like nine million views on YouTube. It seems that, I mean. It was like a million in six hours. That's why she endeared herself to me, just because she's JoJo Siwa, but she is, in her own way, incredibly normal and down to earth with a good head on her shoulders.

Truly. You just don't really expect that from someone like her. She's quirky for sure, but at her core, she's a real friend and a real genuine person. And just also a businesswoman. Oh my God. She does everything. Yeah. You know what I took from this?

I felt like she was the prom queen because she got a lot of hate. Oh yeah, still getting it. She was the prom queen and all the ugly bitches were the ones making the videos hating on her. Because they were mad they didn't get prom queen. Yeah, exactly. And she's the one getting the light.

And it was people who are big stars talking shit that claim to be her friends. And I'm just like, y'all are so, that's kind of why I stay away from all this stuff. That's why I love Jupiter, Florida because it's just me and my people who don't care about this stuff. And I see what JoJo has to go through.

I want no part of that. Critique me about where I put the hammer to the nail. You know, not- Which hammer? My little one. Ooh. Ooh. Oh my god. Which hammer? My little one. Oh. Oh. Oh my God.

It's for finished nailing. Oh my God. Well on that note, I think we gotta say goodbye to Tyler and hello to Monica. I know that people have been waiting for that, but Tyler, I just wanna say, congratulations on your show, man. I'm excited to see it.

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Yeah, take him into the shower. Any living room, bedroom. Wherever you want, you know? Undo your covers. Where would you prefer to be watched? Yeah. Next to you. Not you, but like the people who are...

Christ, Tyler. God damn, God damn. God damn. Next to the viewers. Wait, why not next to me? Well, there's always Nick's in the middle. All right, now we're talking. We're sex positive.

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And he's like don't you fucking there no any any shut the fuck up Welcome to leave Andy I'm gonna leave, Andy. I'm gonna do it. I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna do it. Well, actually I do have a friend. And Andy, I apologize. Who are you?

Are you a friend? Or are you a? He's my best friend, but he does my makeup and everything, too. Okay, so you're your emotional support system. Emotional support glam, yeah. Is he also reality Von Teese? But I have to tell you, no, he's not.

Okay. Look at him. He's like, no, I had nothing to do with that shit. But he's a huge, huge fan of you. Oh. We love. He loves you. Nick's like, no, I had nothing to do with that shit. But he's a huge, huge fan of you. Oh, love. He loves you. Nick's like, sorry, I told you to get the fuck out. No.

No. If you tell her, if you silence her. No. Or he silenced her. Or, yeah. So he was sending you the TikToks? Yeah. Of us talking about you?

Yeah. Okay. Oh, Andy. And he was like, you have to go on Nick. You have to go on Nick. He was very pro, very pro you guys. He loves you guys. Okay, good.

Yeah. You know, if you can get through the gauntlet. When will this, Nick, when will this air? We'll see how this goes. It might not air. Nope, that's what he said. That's always possible. He said, depends on what you spill, bitch.

Yep, that's exactly what he said. We are blessed to have some options. And so, we'll see how it goes. We'll see. Programming and all, like we're running a real operation here. We're running, no, you guys are legit. It's legit.

But very soon, Monica. Yeah. Because I know you'll probably do 80 other podcasts after this. No, you wanna know why? Because I'm deciding on if I should tell you guys stuff or not. So that's why I was like, when will it air? Will I have time?

I don't know. You should just tell us. Yeah. We'll see. It won't come out tomorrow. We'll see how mean he is to me. I'm not mean. Well, I'm not, I was definitely mean to you.

Covered, to be clear. Yeah. He's like, yes. Yeah. I was definitely mean to you. He's like, yes. I think you secretly love Monica. No way. Listen, as a fan of the show. Yeah, I appreciate the entertainment. Yeah. Well, by the way, welcome, Monica. Oh, thank you. Welcome to the Valve house. So happy to be here. Are you?

I'm terrified. Are you? For real. OK. No, I'm kidding. I know I want you to feel here. Are you? I'm terrified. Are you? For real. Okay. No, I'm kidding. I want you to feel comfortable. I feel comfortable. Yeah. It's a little bit like reunion PTSD.

I don't know. Yeah. But I will say I've actually never heard anything you've said about me. I've been really good about not watching. I've only seen like- You haven't heard. No, I really don't know what,

just what Whitney- We're already into, really don't know what, just what Whitney- We're already into, I don't know what to believe with you Monica. No, I know, oh my God. I know, but it's just mainly what like Whitney- Like clips. Yeah, like little clips of what Whitney has said. I haven't watched anything fully.

I don't remember exactly what I said. We were very hard on you. Okay. Very. It's better that I don't know. Probably. Yeah. Well, I mean on you. Very. It's better that I don't know. Probably. Yeah. We can play back to it. No, I'm just kidding.

Shit. Roll them back. Roll the tapes. So my goal of this conversation is to really kind of find out what you're all about. I think there are a lot of questions. I think there's a lot. I mean, you have a ton of critics.

You have a ton of fans. I'm a critic. lot. I mean you have a ton of critics, you have a ton of fans. I'm a critic. Yes. I've heard. Yeah. And I'm really just kind of curious like yeah if I would love to see if we could you know through these conversations figure out like what really are you all about and what should we think about you the person because there's you know when we cover this show as we all we try to remind our audience every time we're talking about Salt Lake City Housewives or Vanderpump or Bachelor or Love is Blind, we don't know these people.

You play a character that we talk about. Now granted, we get the opportunity to meet these people over time, but until I get to meet someone in person, yeah, I acknowledge that there is an edit. I acknowledge that things is an edit. I acknowledge that things can be shown out of context. Yeah, for sure.

I'm also a big critic of reality TV characters who conveniently blame the edit or blame producers every time they don't look good. So I don't think it's an excuse every time something doesn't go their way, but I'm always willing to be like, well, I don't know if I can know these people. And so I'm hoping that after we're done here, people will have hopefully a more well-rounded opinion about who you are and what you actually stand for.

I mean, I hope so too. I definitely don't think I'm going to convince everybody, but if I could get you to at least be a little more open-minded to the whole situation, that's all I care about. So are you aware of any of my criticism? No. None? I swear to you. Okay.

Just like a couple of quick avoidances. Doth profess too much? What's the saying? No. Doth protest. You want to know why? I didn't want to watch your shit because I- We were harsh. Yeah. I really liked you.. Death, Darth, and Darth. You wanna know why? I didn't wanna watch your shit because I- We were harsh.

Yeah, I really liked you. I've liked you since the Bachelor. So I'm like, I don't wanna watch what he's saying about me because I've loved him for so long that I'm like, It's gonna hurt my feelings. They always say don't meet your heroes. What has been the, I doubt I'm your hero. You know what I mean though?

There's some truth to that. Like meeting people that, or knowing what they say about you, because then it's like, oh, fuck, you know. Well, it was never personal, just, you know. Okay. It may be after this. After this, that's fair, then we've met, you know?

That's fair. What has been your toughest criticism that you have seen, that you are aware of? It's hard to narrow it down to just one, but the fraud, liar stuff is hardest. I guess things that trigger you the most, things that you feel are unfair perhaps. Yeah, the fraud lying.

That's where I feel like, why the fuck am I a fraud? I genuinely don't understand that. The lying is really hard for me. You don't think you've lied at all? I don't mean in life. I mean like- Yeah, I'm like, no. I've definitely lied about all on the I don't mean in life I mean yeah I'm like no I mean like as it as it refers to an affair yeah on this show like what when people are like you lie about everything I'm like what the fuck did I lie about at times you've been remarkably honest but like you know

sometimes people can be manipulative by being incredibly honest in some ways and then very deceiving in others. You know what I'm saying? Okay, give me an example. Like in life or are you talking about here? No, no, no, like on the show. Because I really am, I'm like, okay,

when people will comment on whatever and be like, you're a liar, and I'm like, give me an example. Let me tell you, okay, I'll tell you what some of my biggest criticisms. Please. Watching the finale, right? Okay, the final episode.

Yeah, when it was, the whole reality of Vontis of it all, the big, you know, coming out of all the scandal. Now that I watch it together, and I was like, holy fucking shit. And as someone who has seen behind the curtains, I see the matrix, I know how reality TV is made, very few things surprised me. I was like, holy fucking shit, this is crazy.

This is fucking nuts. Because I related to your peers. As someone who's been on reality TV before, who's been around this type of atmosphere as well. Before I was ever on this show, I was a fucking nobody. It wasn't like I grew up, I'm not like a Nepal baby. I didn't grow up famous.

I didn't have a sense of entitlement about like who I was. I was a fucking nobody who thought being on the five o'clock news would be really cool. But once I got into this world and became any type of public figure, it's not because I thought I was a somebody, but fans, fan is short for fanatic. And as much as I appreciate our fans who listen to this show

or fans who watch the Bat Show or Bravo fans, some of them can be fanatic. And there's an evasion of privacy. And many fans treat, especially reality TV stars, people love to hate watch, they love to snark, and shit, we do that on this show. So I totally get it. But there's a sense of like, we're not really people.

We are characters, we're these entities. And then there's this assumption of lack of privacy, this is what you signed up for, et cetera, et cetera. And so you really, once you're in this type of world, you choose your friends very carefully. You know, you don't give people second chances who kind of pretend to be one thing, present themselves in one thing and are another.

When you get into this type of arena, I've been burned before. I have become friends with people I realized were just using me or lying to me or misrepresenting themselves, pretending to be doing me a bunch of favors only to get access to me and then burn me behind my back. So when this all came out, it felt all like that.

You know, the idea, I mean, there are a lot of bachelor blogs out there, there are a lot of alias accounts, bachelor that have these meme accounts, right? And some of them have pretty sizable followings. Some of them, they have their people on Bachelor Nation they root for, they have the people on Bachelor Nation they don't like,

and they get to operate in this world of ennemy where no one really gets to hold them accountable for anything they're saying because they don't know who the fuck they are. They just say whatever the fuck they want, you know? And they're throwing fucking grenades. They don't think, you know, that we're entitled to any type of privacy.

Some fan on Reddit will say some bullshit, they'll take it, and then blast it all over the internet and start creating rumors. can, you know, and that fucks with our mental health. That it like, it's ruined our days, Nally's had to deal with shit like that. So when we watched that, it would have been as if one of these fucking accounts who have trolled us,

who have, you know, platform lies and things like that, it was like, that would be like us finding out that someone, it would be like if I hired someone, you know, platform lies and things like that. It was like, that would be like us finding out that someone, it would be like if I hired someone, you know, and they are in the household and they are working on my show and the people, you know, this is a family operation. Well, I definitely didn't work for any of those women. So it's not like they were paying me.

But you get what I'm saying though? And then to find out that they had been trolling me and, you know. But were they in your homes? What do you mean? Like they're so close to you because I feel like the difference here, first of all, Do you know. But were they in your homes? What do you mean? Like they're so close to you because I feel like the difference here, first of all.

Do you have these people in men in my homes? Some of them, not all of them. They will be eventually at some point. Right, I've never been in Lisa Barlow's home. I've never been in Heather Gay's home. I've never been in Meredith Mark's home. I did not know these women before. I had nothing to do with them.

I didn't know shit about them. I didn't give a fuck about them. I cared about Jen Shaw. That's the person that I knew. That's the person whose home I was in. That's the person that was supposed to be giving me a check. You know, it's very, very different. I think that the women were very good

at making it about them. And it had nothing to do with them. I didn't give a fuck about them. I did not care. So to be like, oh my God, I don't feel safe. I don't feel safe. Oh my God. Like, bitch, I didn't care about you. This did not care. So to be like, Oh my god, I don't feel safe. I don't feel safe. Oh my god. Like, bitch, I didn't care about you. This was about Jen. So I don't know why you're taking it

so personal. I hear you. I want you to know, I hear everything that you're saying, and it's completely valid. And I can relate to that. But these women were not doing me fucking favors. They were not paying my bills. They didn't do shit for me. If anything, they tried to prevent me from even sitting on that show in the first place. So it wasn't like, oh, you're using us to get to where you're at. No, bitch, you tried to stop me from the jump to get where I'm at.

So it wasn't like I took advantage of them. It wasn't like I was using them. It wasn't like they were giving me anything to springboard off of. I owe them nothing. Let's make that very clear. They did not do favors for me. You know, because you were saying,

these people did favors for me. They were in my life. They used me. Well, yeah, I guess I'm not necessarily speaking, I don't know, but so thank you for, you know, shedding some light on that. And I'm not saying it's a perfect analogy of what's going on.

I'm just trying to articulate the feeling I felt watching that show. And my ability to relate to these women. And whether they did you favors or anything, yeah, they're not producers of their show. They didn't, you know, it sounds like- You think they cast me? Of course not.

I'm just simply saying, you know, even Whitney, she seemed like watching the show, like there were, you know, she was like, there was that scene where she's like, hey, I'm actually vibing with you know, even Whitney, she seemed like watching the show. There was that scene where she's like, hey, I'm actually vibing with you. You seem cool. It's like she seemed to want to become friends with you. But I was not her friend before. So it's not like I had this deep dark secret from before that it was like you were her all along.

Like I didn't even know them. I had never met them. Nothing. So why would I go on to this show and be like, oh, by the way, I'm't even know them. I had never met them, nothing. So why would I go on to this show and be like, oh, by the way, I'm reality Von Teese. Like, I would not just come out with that when I had made a pact with five other people that I would never say a word.

I was gonna take it to the grave and I would never out them, I would never out me. Yeah, but it's like, do you understand why they would be upset? Whether you owe them anything. No. You don't, so you're surprised that they're upset? Yes. Why?

Because they were the biggest fucking fans of that page. So for me- Okay, so I knew you were gonna say that. Well, it's true. I don't, I'm not saying- It's so true. I'm not saying it's a lie. But have you ever heard of the phrase,

keep your friends close and your enemies closer? We were not friends before. It's just a phrase. I just have to reiterate that because they're acting like we were friends for so long. No, no, no, you're not missing my point. Just hear me out here. Hear me out.

I'm listening. I'm just saying, once again, I can only relate to my experience. I know there are a lot of, again, these fan pages that have said things. I don't interact with them. I know a lot of, again, these fan pages that have said things. I don't interact with them. I know a lot of my peers do, and it's not because they're fans,

because they're afraid of being talked shit about. So they pretend to make friends with these people that don't even know, interact with them, ha ha ha, that was funny. And like, yeah, is that shady? Is it shady for Angie to have interacted with reality? Von tees only to act so offended No, it's shady to react with people that were running reality

Von tees in their actual text messages to their real-life phone numbers and say that was the best fucking day of my life when you Posted that that's what's fucking shady. It's shady Heather gay, but I can and have Tanisha ask to post stuff on the page exposing Jen Shaw for things. It's shady to ask me to do your dirty work, but then act like you're so shocked that it's me behind the page and you're so behind it. I just wanna make sure I'm-

Yeah, run that back and reverse it. Making sure I understand. So what did Heather do? Heather literally asked Tanisha, I have the text messages, they're in the burn book that never got shown, is actually edited out of reunion. But I have-

We saw the burn book. No, you did not see the screen, the screenshots of the text messages. The book itself we saw. You saw the book itself. You didn't get to see anything in the book. Okay. So-

We're already getting chaotic here. No. Cause I want to get it in the book, but. The book, yeah. So Heather asked Tanisha to ask us to post things on Von Teese about Jen on her behalf. And then you're going to act like you knew nothing about the page, you didn't know who was behind it, but you have your hair girl asking us

to do your dirty work for you. So you're claiming that Heather knew. I'm not claiming, I'm telling facts. There's no allegedly, there's timelines or things on the ground and screenshots of her literally asking us to do her dirty work for her on behalf of her in exposed gen.

I get what you're saying. I would still be upset to find out that Reality Von Teese infiltrated our group. Why if you're employing one? If you know you are employing someone involved in Reality Von Teese and you have been, why? Why are you mad? So wait, how long did Heather know about this? Tanisha? Years.

And how, where's the proof? Well, first of all, she served us all with a cease and desist in 2021 that everyone was very aware of. Like it was all over the internet. Heather. And it named me out. No, Jen. And it went viral.

Everyone knew. It served three out of the five of us with the cease and desist that were behind the page. Is that public information? That is public knowledge. Can we find that? Yeah. Google it. Cease and desist. Gensha. Reality Von Teese. I mean, this is no surprise. This is why it was shocking that. And you were named in?

I am named. My address was actually, I had to fight them on removing my address. So Gensha knew you were a part of Reality Bontis. Yes. Jinsha seems to have had former dealings with Monica Garcia, aka Monica Fowler, after sending her a cease and desist in March 2020. Oh, crazy. Okay. So it's interesting. She sent that before or after she went to prison?

2021 was before she went to prison. Okay. So then maybe for more clarification, you said that the other women were fans of the page. Did any other housewives reach out besides Heather? And Angie. Or like interact with you at least? Yeah, Lisa.

I will say Whitney was definitely like the least engaged. She didn't fuck with the page. She didn't. And were you aware of the stuff that the page, cause I know you said you weren't the only one who posted stuff and said stuff and you very much said at the reunion that you only posted about Jinshaw and not about the other women. That was the like rule when we started it. I still stand by the fact that we did not

come for the other women. They feel like they that we came for them because we reshared things that Jen had said. So they took it as you're talking shit about us. What do you mean by reshared? So. Cause like, again, I can only talk from my experience, but like if someone, these anonymous bachelor accounts, if they were to reshare something, I don't think, oh, it's only a reshare,

that are not talking shit. If they're posting trolling, negative, false things about me, whether it's a reshare or not, I take... I think that the problem is, is that Heather made it seem like I myself was saying it. Instead of being like, well, clearly there's a difference. You didn't say these words. Like she still couldn't even hold Jen accountable for saying the words. She was more mad about

me the fact that I reshared. And I said this in reunion. There's a whole clip on it where I'm like, we were just resharing to show how fucking awful she was to you guys. And she's like, well, thank you. And I'm like, you're welcome. You know, I mean, there was a whole conversation about this, but don't paint it like you were talking shit on us. I didn't call you a size 23 manatee. I did not say you looked like Shrek. But did you tell the world that Jen said she looked? Jen told the world, she did it on the show.

Heather literally confronted her on the show in like the ice castles or whatever, and was like, you called me Shrek, you called me a manatee, you said I was racist. Season two. Yeah, thank you. So I mean, these are all things- Justin's a big fan.

I know, thank you. God, at least I have one person. Reunion, oh, two, thank you. But do you know what I'm saying? So these are all things that have been out there. This is nothing new. We didn't bring, do you know what I mean? It was just like-

I mean, I will say that a public document stating that you are part of Reality Von Teese is- Legal, legal public document, yeah. Not hard to find. No. And so this is basically saying that anyone who wanted to know would have known that you were a part of Reality Von T's.

They would have known I was involved, yeah. Gotcha. I mean, they were right. People listed in the cease and desist, they were all correct. So is that who knew when you said producers knew when they casted you, or you told them? Okay, this needs to be so, this needs to be cleared up because casting did not know.

So the people that actually cast me, interviewed me, did all of that, they had no idea. Okay. When I got through the final steps, one of the final steps is production comes to your home, they sit down with you and they have an interview with you. Those are the people that I discussed Reality Von Teese with, they had asked me about the page. Those people were no that I discussed reality volunteers with. They had asked

me about the page. Those people were no longer there by the time a year later that I started filming. Does that make sense? It was a different, there was different production people. I never saw those production people again. So yeah. As in like they got fired, they like quit, they left. I mean the show switches production people all the time. Okay. There's always different people. So I don't know if they just were on a different show by the time we started filming when I was on or.

That seems like that would have been like important information to pass along. I don't know. I don't know. Like when you discussed Reality Von Teese, was it like they knew you were a part of it it I feel like everyone knew I was a part of it I feel like because of the cease and desist or because you said this is it was so freaking public because of The women asking Tanisha who was my best friend to get stuff posted on the page

I mean there were all these it wasn't like this freaking secret. I mean even the stuff that was being leaked on there. I Mean I was there, you know, the people that were in leaked on there, I mean, I was there. You know, the people that were in the cease and desist were the only ones there. I mean, this isn't a Sherlock Holmes. I mean, Heather thinks she's fucking solving a crime. It's like, damn, bitch, that shit is on the internet. It's not that hard to put two and two together.

Are you suggesting that Heather or Lisa or anyone doesn't even really have a reason to actually be offended by what was on Reality Von Teese? 100%. And I don't know what has been posted on this page, so I don't know what was said to question that at all. Yeah. So you're saying Reality Von Teese never posted anything negative about those women?

Aside from posting what Jen said about them, no. And when you say you guys reshare what Jen posted, in what context was it? Because you're right, if all the page did was saying, Jen, Shaw, talk shit about Lisa or Heather. Okay. That's what it was. Honestly, we- That's it.

There's no other trolling? No. Okay, why are you yelling at me? You guys wanna know that? Okay, you know what? This needs to be cleared up, because everyone thinks I'm not standing, no. Okay, why are you yelling at me? You guys wanna know that, okay, you know what? This needs to be cleared up because everyone thinks I'm screaming and yelling all the time.

That is how I talk. I'm Portuguese, I'm from Boston, I don't know. That is really passionate. Fair enough, but nevertheless, there's an energy. I'm like, no, it's just like I get excited and I get passionate. Okay, thank you for clearing up. Trust me, I'm not mad at all.

Not only you're mad, I think you're passionate. I just speak very, it's a Latina thing're mad, I think you're passionate. I just speak very, it's a Latina thing, honestly, I really do believe that. I'm just, we're loud. You should come to like a family fucking wedding. That shit's crazy, but you'll think everyone's yelling, fighting. No, probably for sure. Yeah.

But yeah, I don't know. I really did not think that they, for a second, would be so upset because they fucking loved that page so much. They loved that we were exposing Jen. They hated Jen just as much as we did. So, I mean, it's ridiculous, honestly. What are your thoughts about Lisa saying, it's not the page, it's the deception? Fuck off, Lisa. Fuck off. Are we really going to sit here and pretend like she doesn't feed blogs?

She doesn't do the same shit. She's just better about it. She keeps her hands more clean than I did. She will never own up to it like I did. I'm willing to believe that, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not a Lisa Barlow fan. Really? The character.

I don't know her in person. Well, I do. No, yeah, I understand. I'm not a fan. But she does come across as someone who's just, I don't really know what to, like she is a very, she comes across as someone who has a very carefully crafted persona. Yes, she keeps her hands very clean

and I'm very like, messy. Yeah, you have more of a loud, messy, crafted persona. I'm like, I did that shit. Why did you wanna become a housewife? This is such an easy answer. I needed the check and I'm not ashamed to admit that. No, no shame at all. But is that the only reason why?

I mean, just to feed your family? If I had money, like my castmates have money, I would not be on a fucking show. If I was rich, I just want money. I don't need the fame. I hear you on that. I don't need the fame, I don't need that. Well, I have been critical of you. You seem incredibly intelligent

and more than capable to be successful in probably many things. Shit, you can make a ton of money selling and you seem like you'd be pretty good at sales. So like, I don't think going on TV and being a housewife is the only way to feed your family. So like- But are we really gonna act like if not given the opportunity, I'm not gonna take it? I feel like- I don't think going on TV and being a housewife is the only way to feed your family. So like- But are we really gonna act like if not given the opportunity, I'm not gonna take it?

I feel like- I'm not saying that. No, I know, but I'm saying- Don't just say, I needed the money. No, I did. I believe that, but I'm- That is a very fast way to speed track all that other shit. Do you know what I mean?

In addition to wanting to make money, why did you become a housewife? Because I don't think making money was, and my point is that wasn't the only reason. I can sit here 100% and be like, I was a fan. I love Bravo, I've loved Bravo, I grew up watching Bravo, I grew up idolizing Andy Cohen, idolizing all these Bravo liberties,

thinking that would be so incredible, that would be so amazing, that'd be so fun, you know? But that would really be the only reason. I think that just to experience it, Oh, fun, you know, but that would really be the only reason. I think that just to experience it, even just for one season was really fucking crazy and really freaking cool, but definitely not for fame. If anything, it would have been more as a fan

to just go through that and experience it and to get a check. I really don't do well with fame. No, I'm serious. I think you're pretty good with fame. Look, everyone is like, you handle yourself so well. Your Instagram looks like you're, and it makes me emotional. This shit is hard.

I don't doubt that. It is so fucking hard. I have had some of the worst shit said about my daughters, as about me as a mom, people not believing my domestic violence shit. Like it has been hard as fuck. If I could have millions of dollars and not be in the public limelight, I would do that.

But this was an incredible opportunity that people are lying if they say they would turn it down. Oh, I said yes to going on the bachelor. But it is hard as hell. No, I've been through so much. So I can relate to how nasty people can be. Regardless of why you chose to be a housewife, okay, you needed the money.

What did it, for you, mean to be a housewife? Because honestly, watching you, I can't tell if this was like you the fan who like came in with an idea, and I use this as an example of like, in fact, Bachelor, all they do is cast people who are fans of the show. Like it's like every person who goes on knows,

it's like they've been a fan for 15 years. That's not a crime. And then some people who go on these shows are able to be authentic, and they're able to immerse themselves in the world. And then some people who go on these shows are able to be authentic, and they're able to immerse themselves in the world. And then some people, they show up and they're just like, it's like, clearly you're a fan. You're like, you're performing.

You're not actually immersing yourself. And watching you, knowing your background, it was like, is she performing with her mom? Is this a scene that they're doing? Or are these two people truly screaming at each other and having this very toxic and very destructive relationship in front of the nation? And honestly, it was very hard to tell which one it was

because, man, boy, it's one thing to have your mom come on, but a willingness to show that relationship is something. It's a choice. Why did you, so what did it mean to you to be a housewife? What started the relationship with your mom being shown on television? And yeah, why did you choose to go about it the way you did?

Honestly, becoming a housewife really was completely surreal. I genuinely didn't think I was gonna get on. It was open casting, by the way. Anyone could email them. They listed it on their casting Instagram page. Any single person in the world could have emailed and been like, hey, which is exactly what I did. I did not think it would get me on the show. I really just thought, you know, fuck it

and let's see what happens. Actually getting casted really was like a dream. I'm not gonna lie. That was so fucking surreal and absolutely crazy. And a once in a lifetime opportunity to like be a housewife. It's fucking nuts, you know? And who the fuck am I? I don't deserve to be there. Like the fuck? Like truly my house is like 3000 square feet. That's pretty big. We could use that space. 1500 up top, 1500 up bottom. And you know, I had this crazy fucking past

of mistakes and debt and bad decisions. And you know, I was going through a divorce and I couldn't talk about really why, you know, I was going through a divorce and I couldn't talk about really why, you know, everyone thought it was because I fucked my brother-in-law and it wasn't. That was literally over a decade ago. But I couldn't discuss the real reasons why because of legal reasons. Can you discuss them now? I mean, yeah, it was domestic violence in front of my children. And...

I'm sorry to deal with that. Yeah, thank you. It sucked because everyone was like, why wouldn't you talk about that? She's a liar. And it's like, the show wouldn't let me, legally. It's very messy when you start discussing that kind of stuff. Yeah, sure. So that sucked, because I had really,

I was dealing with all of that, and I couldn't even talk about it. You know, I had no reason to be there. I really didn't. I almost feel like I was a fucking Hail Mary. Why do you think they. I almost feel like I was a fucking Hail Mary. Why do you think they casted you? Cause I was a fucking Hail Mary. I really feel like it was like,

we don't have Jen Shaw anymore. Season three wasn't the best, but that's just being honest. And it was kind of like, fuck, throw that one in. Like honestly, let's see what happens. What do we have to lose? I don't know. When you get casted, do they have,

I know, I mean, we've seen producers meet with Bravo people at lunch. And I know that these shows, like I know again how they're made, you know? But there is some structure. There are some conversations about like, you know, what do you want your story to be? What role are you playing?

It's still authentic interactions, but when you got casted, was there conversations with you and producers about what's gonna be your character? What's your story? What's your angle? Were there conversations about that? I did not think for one second

I would be the villain ever. I did not see that coming. Well, no one. No, I did not see that at all. I think very few people are like, hey, I'll do that the villain ever. I did not see that coming. Well, no one. No, I did not see that at all. I think very few people are like, hey, I'll do that shit, yeah. I mean, I think some people are. It's actually an easier gig to be the villain,

I'll be honest. Easier how? I can't imagine being Lisa and knowing Lisa, like really knowing who she is and having to be so fucking fake every day in my life and just act like I'm this good person and I'm so nice and I'm so rich and I just have to carry that fake facade all day every day and get people to believe it. Whereas if you're the villain, it's like, you can really be yourself.

And just, I mean, when I went on, I told them I'm going to be real. That's the only way I can do this is if like, you see me with my fucking kids struggling, you see my tiny little house, I'm not gonna rent a house to do this. You know, you see my, I told them straight up, if you film me and my mom, you are going to see some shit. Like I told them that straight up and I- What made you be willing to film with your mom knowing that?

So, okay, my mother and I, it's very ups and downs. At the time that that started, we were up. And I was like, okay, we can film, we're gonna be okay, we can do this. I have never experienced a down like that with my mom. Like my mom and I are done, we're done. I will never speak to her again. Currently? Yes, yep. I actually have like, trust. The last time I saw my mom was not that long ago,

maybe like a couple months. And I called the police on her and I had like three cop cars, eight cops at my house. Because like she wouldn't leave or? She wouldn't leave. She burst into my house. She was like recording me. I was in the bath. I mean, it was a mess. And I was like, you need to leave. She's like, I'm not leaving.

I'm like, I'm gonna call 911. She's like, then call 911. So I called 911 and that was it for me. It happened in front of my kids. My mom acts like she cares about her granddaughter. She doesn't give a fuck. She does this shit in front of them all the time. And after everything with the show,

after how she acted on Twitter, it's so different when you actually are watching it versus living it. Because growing up, that was normal. That was normal. But then actually witnessing it and hearing everybody and getting all these messages from people, I'm like, you know, this is really like fucking fucked up. And I'm done. And yeah, I will never...

In fact, the last thing she said to me was, you no longer have a mother, and I no longer have a daughter. That's literally our last words to each other before the police escorted her out of my house. Oh, my God. So that shit was not fake. That's what's so hurtful. It didn't look fake. No.

It's like my castmates will be like, they deserve an Emmy. It's like, bitch, no, that was my real life. Now there were, see, but the reason why I asked that question, because even at the reunion, it's like, even when you brought out the burn book, and so I am curious what your motivation was for the burn book, because like sometimes,

even at the reunion, you kinda had this like, like we're making a show, like ha ha ha, like laugh at me, I'll laugh at you. It's like, and you know, sometimes people don't wanna always be in on the joke. And I guess you sometimes did come across

as more like just performing rather than being a housewife and saying, hey, well, you can come into my authentic small house and I'm not gonna be fake. I'm gonna show you my kids, I'm gonna show all this. And at times it did. The burn book almost made it seem like you were like, guys, aren't we all just goofing around making a TV show? That's kind of how it came across to me.

That's a new take. I haven't heard that take. The only thing I've heard about the burn book is that like that didn't land. And I'm like, yeah, you're 100% right. What was your intention of the burn book? To show the shit inside. Do we have the burn book? Where's the burn book? No, I didn't bring it because I didn't, you know. Well, you put a lot of work into it, clearly. Do you remember it was in the burn book?

Yes, I do. And it was a lot of proof that these women have known who was involved, that they did not disapprove of this page, that they in fact encouraged it and loved it and supported it. And that, you know, multiple women wanted things pushed on the page on their behalf. And so to crucify me for something that you were a full participant in is absolutely insane to me. Did you bring up the cease and desist at the reunion? I actually don't remember.

I don't remember. So I feel like that would have been a very valid like- That's some hard evidence. All of you, yeah, like all of you knew. I don't remember. So I feel like that would have been a very valid like- That's some hard evidence. All of you, yeah, like all of you knew. I think the cease and desist, a copy of it was in the burn book, but we, I don't even think we got that far. No.

Yeah, I mean, they shut that up real quick. So- Like your castmates did or producers did? Like it just didn't get any attention. Like I had to sit there and listen to recordings of myself and that Tanisha had given Heather, but like we spent like two minutes on the burn book. It was crazy.

Why do you think they edited it out or like silenced it? I don't know. I mean, I remember Heather looking at Andy and being like, I'm not doing this. Like we're not, I'm not. Yeah, I would too. So what else was in it? It pretty much just showed Heather and her involvement with the page,

her knowledge of the page, how long she's known the page, her wanting things pushed on the page to rat Jen out for things. It showed proof that Lisa had actually text us other Bravo pages on Instagram that would get our stories out for us, that, hey, give it to this page, give it to this page, they'll make sure to push it for you. I believe that. Proving that she does feed things to certain Instagram pages to get her information out,

that she's not as clean. I mean, they act like they're so innocent and it's like, you guys just didn't create a page for it. You have other pages do it for you. But in essence, it's the same shit. I hear you. I mean, I'm again, I keep going back to like, you know, how would I feel? But these anonymous pages I refer to, I don't fuck with them. I don't engage with them. But I do know other people do. But if, yeah, if one of them was acting super friendly with them. And it's one thing to like double tap and, you know,

heart something, it's another thing to be like, oh my God, I love what you do, yes. Can't wait for Jen to be taken down. I literally have text messages in there from the women saying, we're throwing a party the day she goes to prison. I mean, it's wild. It's another thing to double tap and heart something

and another thing to be like, we're having a party. So if you knew that they knew, why didn't you just bring it up? Like while you were filming, like, hey guys, you know I'm part of a reality of aunties, ha ha, funny, isn't it crazy that I'm a housewife now? Like, why didn't you just break the ice and acknowledge it, what you thought was the worst kept secret?

Mm-hmm, because I didn't think it would actually come out. I didn't- What do you mean? So- You said it was out. No, no, no, no, I mean on the show. I didn't think it was gonna be a storyline on the show. Okay, off the show.

So what happened was- Why didn't you, I mean, you do ever, you never interacted with any of these women off camera? No. I met with Whitney one time. Okay. Before filming, and that was it. I was not friends with them. Okay, I don't know.

You know, if I felt like I owed them something, and I say this all the time, the only person that I owe anything to is Jen Shaw. Why do you say that? Because that's the only person I fucking wronged out of these women. The only person that I actually fucked with her life, did things to, created a page about, went to the fucking government about was Jen. That's the only person that deserves any of my time or kind of apology. Is that what, like-

Do you think she was guilty though? I mean, or- No, she was guilty, but that still doesn't mean I shouldn't be like, hey, I'm really sorry I started about a burner page about you that was fucked up, or I probably shouldn't have done that, I got carried away,

or you know what I'm saying? But I- Yes and no, I mean, I know about Jen Shaw. It sounds like she ripped off a lot of innocent people. Yes. So it sounded like to me she deserves to be in prison. Yeah. And I guess how you went about it, I don't know.

But if you are saying that you were the reason she got found out, then why do you owe her an apology? I mean, I'm definitely not the reason she got found out. And I think that needs to be clarified too. I was not like the reason she got arrested. I mean, this was a decade-long investigation on this woman. I was just a witness on a long list of witnesses for the trial. Nicole Soule-Nicholson Heather, was it not Heather suing you for

going into her salons or like what was that all about? Can you... Heather Fong Yeah. So in 2018, 2019, I went into her salon and got my lips done. Okay. And she decided to sue me after Bermuda for $2,000. And what's her side and what's your side of the story? Her side is that I didn't pay the $2,000. My side is, is yeah, I didn't because you botched me

and I went and paid three grand for someone to dissolve and fix them. So, yeah. And she decided to sue you five years later? Five years later and after, like a couple weeks after Bermuda. Why do you think she chose to do it at that time and not? It was completely vindictive and personal.

It had nothing to do with anything else. Did she ever bring anything up while filming? Like, hey, do you have, you know, that do with anything else. Did she ever bring anything up while filming? Like, hey, do you have that two grand? No, but she did bring up other stuff. Like one time on the bus in Palm Springs when we were dressed up, I made a comment. I made something about a troll comment.

And she's like, you need to be careful about who you call a troll. I'm like, bitch, you know, but let's play this game. You know? There were little comments like that all throughout the season. I mean, even the one where you said when the whole like mafia with Angie,

I believe that's what it was. And you were like, I wouldn't believe. Angie, I'm still waiting for a thank you because she is writing that Greek mafia shit all over the place. What do you mean? We haven't followed her. We haven't followed her.

We don't show you. Okay, so I talked about something about her somehow, Meredith Marks and I had a conversation about her being in the Greek mafia. She acted like she was so offended, like this is my business, this is my family, how dare you? But everything is like Greek mafia,

Greek mafia, Greek mafia mafia get your Stanley Greek mafia And it's just like so were you really offended by it? Or is it like the greatest thing that I could have given you because now you have something to talk about So she's selling merch she did promote her like champagne brand. Yeah, whatever it is. Yes But you did make a comment saying I know none of y'all bitches would make a fake account, but I would or something to that. Yes, I mean, I know that they know. And like even Heather saying that,

I mean, when she said that on the beach, I knew what she was doing. That is the moment honestly, where I knew it was coming out in Bermuda. And I was like, okay, well here we go. That's why people are like, you didn't act surprised. And I'm like, I fucking knew. This wasn't a secret.

When she came to you and said, yeah. When the dinner party thing where you're just sitting there and they're. Something else that seemed confusing at the reunion, I think we even mocked you for it. Oh no, what? Yeah, I'm like what? Yeah.

The whole like sitting in your car and stalking, stalking, watching, doing your own PI work outside of, was it Jen Shaw's, and you were like the FBI asked me to, which didn't really seem all that believable. Like, you know, like it seemed like you guys. Did you maybe tell a white lie? Yeah, it felt like the FBI was like, listen,

it let us know if you have any information. And you were like, okay, well, maybe we should just try to go get more information. That's exactly what it was. So the FBI did not come out. First of all, they did not come out and say, go do a stakeout, see what you find, get your binoculars. But it was like, if you have any information

or you see her at all violating her probation or any, you know, da, da, da, da, da, please let us know. And you were like, we're gonna go fucking night watch. I was like, Ty, help me. Say less. Skrr, skrr, we're gonna rent a car and do this thing. You know?

I got this. I really, really did take that shit too far. I mean, we really thought, we really were like, look, first of all, I'm not gonna apologize for a drive-by because that shit was funny and we were joking around with it. We really honestly photo, we recorded ourselves. It's not like, and we were seriously doing TikToks

and like mocking it. It's not like we really thought. I think that stalking is actually a really serious fucking thing. We were not stalking her. And to be clear, you only did this with Jen Shaw, none of the other women. I don't even know where they live to even do that.

Okay. No. So, and then also like you had access to Jen Shaw's security camera? It was in my name, yeah. Did you, were you ever watching Jen Shaw live in her house without her knowing? So we never did until she assaulted us Yeah. Did you, were you ever watching Jen Shaw live in her house without her knowing? So we never did until she assaulted us

and threw food and dishes and everything at us and was screaming at us and we were like, no one would believe us. Like if we came out and said, Jen Shaw did this, Jen Shaw did that, no one would fucking believe us. And then we were like, fuck, we could get the footage from the video cameras. And so then we went back and we saw all the fucking

footage of her doing all of that. And that's kind of where that happened. Did you give any of that footage to the FBI? Yeah, we gave everything. I gave everything to... That's why I'm like, you five bitches think I'm scared to admit to you that I was involved in a burner account when I had to sit down in a room full of Homeland Security, federal fucking agents, the fucking federal government with a binder full of everything they ever had on me and everything out of my phone. You think I'm scared of my blonde Whitney to tell her I was involved in a murder count where I had to tell the fucking federal government

every single thing about my life. So the federal government knew your reality bounties? Yes. Touche. Thank you. They did reality bontist? Yes! Touche? Thank you! They did! And guess what? I'm not in jail, bitch! But Jen is! So why are you so mad at me? Like, I did not actually do a crime.

The government knew everything. Like, give me a break. Well, when we watch reality TV, it's not like who's the criminal and who's not. It's more like who would we be friends with and who would we not be friends with. It's like, who would we be friends with and who would we not be friends with? It's like who reminds us of us and who reminds us of someone we fucking hate.

You know what I'm saying? That's how we as fans watch this shit. No, I know. I have a quick question. I saw you're friends with Dana. Or were you the informant that she was mentioning about in the previous season? No!

And you know, I've asked her so many times who it is and she won't tell me. Sneaky. And I would admit that shit. I actually really wish I knew who she was talking about. It's not me. I wasn't an informant. So that is different than a witness.

An informant is someone that's actually working with the government. You're out there like being a double agent. Doing deals with Jen. And like, yeah, I was not that. No, no, for real. I didn't do any of that. And everyone's like, you talked to the government

because you were in on her, you know, little, no, no. I literally went to them because I knew what she was doing and she was really doing it. And she was awful to me and every single one of my friends. And yeah, I really was like, what do you want to know? You know, like I know all this shit. I've been talking about her, about Stewart, about everything. About what?

Stewart. Her partner. Yeah. Business partner. Stewart Smith, he was like her assistant slash. Stewart was who's partner? Jen. Jen, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sorry. We're gonna, Heather Whitney, the angel. Yeah. I'm just trying to keep up. It's a lot of names. Yeah. It's a lot of names. So yeah, no. I mean, that shit, I can admit when I'm wrong. Can you? Yes.

Why are you yelling at me? And he's in the corner like that she is not yelling. She's whispering. I'm whispering. No, no, I really can. And I took it way too far with Jen, 100%. And I do regret that. I guess I'm confused about that because Jen doesn't sound like a great person.

She's a terrible person. She ruined people's lives. I want to know how I am worse. I'm like wondering, what did you do wrong to Jen? Like, what would you do differently? If you have regret, you have the ability to time travel. I would have never been involved in starting and running a burner page about Jen. I would have let the karma handle it

instead of taking matters into my own hands, thinking I was a fucking, you know, inspector gadget and like trying to solve crime. Like a crime fighter. Yeah, you know, I really have seen Avengers too many times. You're like a pop culture Batman. Yeah, exactly. Honestly. But also, Batman ain't shit without Joker. I was the Joker of my season, is what I'm saying.

Those women painted me out to be like the worst villain ever, but also, that was an incredible season. No, listen, listen. As a fan of reality TV, you can't have a great hero without a great villain. Exactly. We know that. Exactly.

But when we watch these shows, villain or not, Listen, as a fan of reality TV, you can't have a great hero without a great villain. We know that. Exactly. But when we watch these shows, villain or not, it's always like, is this a TV show or is this a bad person? Like, you know what I'm saying? Is this person capable of doing sadistic shit

or manipulating or is, you know, like that's why Sandoval is as big as it has been because yeah, he's on a TV show, but he is, Tom Sandoval, have you met him? No. If you watch a show and you meet him, you're like, yeah, same person. It's not an act.

It's like he is living out Vanderpump in real life. There's no off button. There's no like, are the cameras here? Tom is authentic, for better or worse. And people have watched this guy act a certain way and affect people's lives and emotionally fuck up people by making empty promises and act the way he does. And so that's why there's a lot of commentary

because, you know, people watch these shows and again, related to their own experiences and their own lives. And when they see someone act a certain way that reminds them of someone who's hurt them in the past, they have a certain reaction to it. Yeah, what did I do that was so bad though? Because even you are sitting here admitting it

without admitting it, that what I did wasn't that bad. Because you're even sitting here saying- I appreciate you shedding light. Jen Shaw was a piece of shit human. Not only did she defraud the elderly and scam people out of literally millions and millions of dollars, she fucking punched Heather in the face.

You know what I mean? She had this cast living in absolute fear. They like to say like, you're Jen 2.0 or did it, no. If I really was, they would actually be terrified of me and they wouldn't have treated me how they did. They treated me how they did because they know I'm not actually terrifying. They know I'm actually not gonna do anything to hurt them.

Do you know what I'm saying? They were genuinely terrified of Jen Shaw and what she would do to them of what she knew about them. I mean you could kind of tell that in the reunion because they were surprisingly... there was a moment with Heather where she seemed like she still cared about what Jen Shaw had thought. She does I mean she literally sat on reunion was like you know Andy Cohen looks at her and says is there anything you want to say to Jen Shaw? And she goes, I'm not your bitch.

And then she goes on watch what happens live and is like, I hope Jen's happy with what I did. It's like, you know what I mean? So it's like, she still wants Jen's approval so bad. Listen, the legal document that's been out since 2021 is very effective evidence to your favor. Cause that's my big thing is being able to relate to these women in a way where had I truly not known

that you were a part of this account and had this account spread rumors about me or Natalie and affected our mental health and trolled us and just made our lives generally more miserable. And if I had found out that that person ended up working for me, I would have been fucking beside myself. And then to have, let's say it was Leia,

who's running some sort of fucking bachelor burner account. You think it would be me? Who knows? And then she was out there being like, fuck you, I didn't do anything wrong, blah, blah, blah. I would feel like, oh my God, this person blah, blah. You know, I would feel like, oh my God, this person's a monster. You see where I'm coming from?

I see where you're coming from a hundred percent. I really do. I do not see where they are coming from. Has Jinsha reached out to you at all? Have you heard from Jinsha at all? No, nothing. Nothing. Do you know if she's reached out to anyone since the season?

I think she still talks to Heather. I'm throwing that shit out there. I think they were still in cahoots almost. And what way could they be in cahoots? I mean, I feel like they have a very, even just from what I saw and what I know, I feel like they have a very messy relationship. And I think that's why Heather stays a Jen fan. I don't care how much she acts like,

I'm gonna stick up to her, whatever, at the end of the day, she never does. She never, ever, ever does. And so I think that they have this weird codependent relationship with each other because of their past, I don't know. How did you find out that you weren't gonna be brought back? If we're being really honest,

I knew about month two filming, that it was, I knew it was happening. Because Tanisha was telling people what the plan was and she was. What plan, what do you mean? To get me off the show, yeah. So when did Tanisha turn on you? Because I thought y'all were like best friends, y'all started this.

We were best friends, I mean you guys, we spent every holiday together, every Sunday dinner together, our kids were best friends, sleepovers, all the things, we were inseparable. I really don't know why she flipped. And this sounds insane. And this is why people think, oh, you're lying. I do not know what made her flip so fucking hard against me.

She, from what I know, she told people it was because I was coming for her check. I never came for that woman's check. I was not trying to get her fired. Whose check? Tanisha's check? Yeah. Like, as a hairstylist? Yeah, like as a hairstylist on the show.

Like I was trying to get her fired. I don't even have that fucking kind of pull. So I don't know. Was she even on season four? I don't. She's Heather's hairstylist. She was just glam. I know that.

So you didn't. Yeah. But I make money sometimes as like an appearance. No, I get that, but I only remember her being talked about after a whole other reality event. So maybe I missed it. No, no get that, but I only remember her being talked about after a whole other reality event. So maybe I missed it. No, no, no, so how she does like confessionals, right? She gets paid for doing confessional.

Sure, she's been out a few times. I guess I missed it, yeah. Yeah, but she felt like I was coming for her check or trying to get her fired or whatever. That is all I know. Because I'm hearing all of this through other people or I'm seeing the text she's saying where she's like, she's coming for my money

and I da da da da da. Who was Heather talking to during that big scene where she's on the phone as like season four opened up and that foreshadowing to the finale. I don't fucking know herself. No one, because she already fucking knew. I don't know. Okay.

Seriously. I'm just asking, why you, again, why are you yelling at me? I'm not. It's just a question. Seriously. I wrote, just asking, why you, again, why are you yelling at me? I'm not. I'm not. It's just a question. No, I don't know who she was talking to. Okay.

An operator, no one. Did you shoplift from Meredith Mark's store? No, and even Meredith said in the finale, I never said you shoplift, she knows I never did. I don't even know why that was, oh yeah, because I said, this was my first time here. And I had been there like once before with Jen. That whole thing was she like accused Jen's assistant at the time, Murillo, of shoplifting.

I was there for that. He didn't fucking shoplift either. So I really, that was a whole misunderstanding. Jen went in there and actually bought hundreds of dollars of worth of stuff. She did not need to shoplift a $60 clutch at that time. That was an accident. I seriously don't know what happened,

but I know I was there. No one fucking shoplifted. And the second week, the store called Jen. We were at a restaurant and was like, hey, you guys took a clutch. And she was like, what the fuck? We were going through all our bags. No one even knew what they were talking about.

We found the clutch. We took it right the fuck back. So we think it just was sitting there, accidentally got put in there. There's no footage of anyone stealing anything. Like that to me was a whole misunderstanding, but that was actually Meredith had blamed Murillo for that at the time.

I would just like to say Murillo didn't steal shit either. Why didn't you post all this shit in the Birnberg like on your social media account, like in your stories? Like why didn't you just put it all fucking out there? Because I really am trying to decide how I want to do that. Like I really legit might publish it. Wow. Like sell it as a book. I have had people like actually offer to like legit, let's publish this shit. Well, that I believe.

Yeah. So I'm like, maybe I really should. So I haven't put it all out there on social media because what if I really actually made it a book? I don't know. Could Mean Girls come for you for like their cover? Yeah, there's that. I mean, I wouldn't actually sell it as a burn book.

Redo the cover? It would be, yeah, different title, different. Are there any of the relationships with Whitney, Lisa, Heather, that you would be remotely interested in salvaging? I have nothing bad to say about Mary, Meredith, and Heather. I mean, sorry, Mary, Meredith, and. I like, I mean, sorry, Mary, Meredith and Whitney.

Okay. I actually, I was like, we've been talking shit about Heather for 20 minutes. It's still not enough time. I could still go on, but no Whitney. We got time. Yeah.

Whitney's amazing. I was actually so sad to hear what she said about me. What did she say again? She said something like, I know she's watching me from other troll accounts. And I'm like, no, I'm not. I don't, this is the thing, they actually think I'm really obsessed with them.

I wasn't, I was obsessed with getting Jen because she actually did me wrong. Can you see how, even though you know for sure because it was, you know exactly what you were doing, can you see from their perspective just how it can be a little confusing onto what you were doing, what you weren't doing, and like how many, yeah,

just like having trust issues around it. I can see how they have trust issues. That I can see. Yes, I can. Absolutely, for sure. So Whitney's valid in that feeling. Even though you know for sure that you're not, you can acknowledge that.

You're empathizing with her trust issues with you. I can empathize with her trust issues. Yes, 100%. But Whitney, I do feel like I had such an incredible real connection with. We really, really bonded over her dad and my mom being so similar and the trauma that they have put us both through and the insane situations we've

had with our parents that no one else would even believe that they think is made up. So that's why it also hurt me that she was like, they deserve an Emmy. Because I'm like, girl, you and I sat there and I told you so many stories and you told me so many stories that we were like, no one would believe us. You know, that hurt. But I feel like Whitney really is the most genuine on the OG cast. Like actually could be, is a really good person. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, no, we really enjoyed getting to talk with Whitney. Yeah, Justin is amazing.

Like her kids are incredible. Yeah, I definitely felt the closest to Whitney for sure. Did your girls watch the season? No, I don't even closest to Whitney for sure. Did your girls watch the season? No, I don't even watch it in the house with them. They have no idea. All they know is people come up, literally will go to the grocery store and people will come up and my little ones will be like,

why do you want to talk to my mom? Or why do you want a picture with my mom? That's weird. Like they don't even, they don't watch it. Even my 18-year-old refuses. She will not watch it. So they didn't, even your 18-year-old wasn't aware of, like, everything that happened, the backlash, the...

No, she is aware of that because she talks to me. Yeah. And I talk to her, but she did not watch it. Gotcha. She has not did not watch it. She has not watched any of it. Any of the show? No. I have so many more questions but it's time

for texting office hours and we're gonna give someone else some relationship advice. You down for that? Sure, because I'm so good with that. Well, no, I expect you to be, just so you know, this is all about and for the people maybe listening for the first time tuning in to hear you. We offer advice as friends to the people calling in,

not through our expertise, but through our mistakes, things that we've learned through trial and error. So I can be like, don't sleep with your mother-in-law. Sure, yeah, that would be good advice. That's great advice. But we learn through our mistakes and our willingness to learn from those mistakes. Yeah.

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what are you trying to figure out are you just here to tell like a messy story from listening to your podcast for a while, I know that you have a pretty strong opinion about the millennials cutting off, having no contact, doing that whole thing. So I kind of wanted to give you kind of what's been going on. We're in turmoil. Nothing's been resolved. Obviously, we're still in this circle of whatever's going around. But I feel like I have done what I can to kind of approach them and say, hey, listen, I can't do this anymore.

And they have kind of come back with what they think is appropriate and we're just going around in circles. So I wrote to you solely because I know you have an opposite opinion of me. What's your perception of my opinion? You don't like that people cut off their parents. You don't think that it's an appropriate action.

Yeah, you've said it several times that it bothers you that millennials are in this pattern, I guess. I'm very protective of parents in general. I think as a new parent, and this is a very general statement, I think it's, we also just live in a culture right now where we're, as a society, we're all finding reasons

why things aren't our fault. We're worrying about our past childhood trauma and then coming from a family of 10 siblings, you know, I'm aware that, and I'm very lucky. I mean, I have great parents. I know most people aren't as lucky to have the parents I have. And I just like also know that parents aren't perfect

and they can't make mistakes. And sometimes I've seen kids kind of just like all the way that things haven't worked out for them and just like blame it on their parents. That being said, if you also listen to a lot of our shows, like I'm pretty clear about like setting boundaries with parents and part of being an adult is sometimes pushing back on those parents who can be bullies.

Parents are used to 18 years of literally being in charge. You know, the whole like, yeah, you're spoken when you're spoken to, I'm the fucking parent. Like my dad, my dad's favorite line growing up was like, this is not a democracy, this is a monarchy, you know? He loved fucking saying that. And then I turned 18 and then I was an adult. But I'm lucky enough to have parents have been like,

hey, we have like 18 other other kids, like I don't have time to parent you, you know? So I don't have this like hard stance hard stance of never cut off your parents. We're literally talking to someone right now who moments earlier doesn't talk to her mom and I didn't push back because her mom, no offense, sounds like a fucking terrible person. Right. She is.

Yeah, I mean, I've watched your show and I've seen some of the things that your mom's done and that has triggered the shit out of me. Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry. So for our audience, can you give us a little background on why you made the decision to cut off your parents? So obviously it's been a multitude of things. If you cut off your parents, it's not just one thing where you're like,

I can't do this anymore. I'm not dealing with this action. It's usually just one after another after another. With my parents, it's the boundary thing. I have come up to them and said, hey, I need you to stop doing this. You have to stop mocking me as a parent. You have to blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's constantly coming back to me as almost like, you're in the wrong, not me.

So I'll give you a, for instance. So I guess the catalyst of why I stopped talking to them, my mother was over at my house with leaving. I'm a new mom of two kids. So I have a four-year-old and a two-year-old. And she was coming over to my house on Wednesdays to kind of help out with me getting out of the house. It's a lot being a mom.

And that day I had organized my bathroom. I got all... When you're a woman and you organize, you know that every single thing is in its proper place and where the hell you put it in that proper place. So my mom came to the house. She babysat, yada, yada, yada. We had our goodbyes. I went into my bathroom and I was like, where's this? And where's this? And I know that my mom had given me those products. So I said, Hey, did you happen to take this? Because I'm using it currently. Now I have no idea what you're talking about. What do you mean you have no idea what I'm talking about? I was in postpartum at this time. So I thought I was losing my mind. I was like, I must be

that shit crazy. Called my husband. I was like, do you think I moved it? What do you think happened? And he was like, when I get home from work, we'll look for it. Don't worry about it. Got home. We looked for it. It's nowhere to be found. Long story short, I moved out of that house. Oh my gosh. And it's not in my house. She blamed my child. She said, my child must have gone into my bathroom and taken it. Have you asked your child where it's at? Is it, are you blaming my kid for this?

Yeah, she comes into my bathroom and plays with my makeup, but that's not makeup. And then the one thing that she took was up high. My little girl can't get that. And it was the two products that she gave me that were missing. It was just fat shit. That's crazy. But did you ever find it in her possession or you? I wanted to go to her house.

I really wanted to go to her bathroom and just wait it. See, that's a Monica shit. That's what I would have done. You're right, I still need help. Because my crazy ass would have gone over to her house when she's not there and I would have thought I was Inspector Gadget again. And I would have done. You're right, I still need help. Because my crazy ass would have gone over to her house when she's not there, and I would have thought I was Inspector Gadget again, and I would have found the evidence and been like,

I knew she took this shit. A thousand percent, my husband stopped me from doing that. You know what, good for him. My husband was like, that's not a good thing. That's a problem. I have no one to stop my crazy ass. My friends encouraged me. That's weird.

My friends encouraged me too, but I mean, I've been in therapy for a long time. Good for you. And the question, it's a weird story. Is that par for the course? You know, has your mom... She's never lied to me like that. She's never gaslit me like that.

She's never put me in a corner like that and said, no, something's going on. You're losing it. Yes, she's told me like certain parts of my childhood or not, right? Like I'd be like, oh yeah, this happened. She's like, no, it didn't. I'm like, what are you talking about? Yes, it did.

I relate to that so much. I relate to that so much when they like, you remember it a certain way, they remember it a certain way and then you feel like you're insane. Which is fine. I'm saying like my kid will remember something one day completely different than how I remembered it. Yeah. But

as the parent, it's not my job to tell my child they didn't remember that correctly. It's my job to be like, huh, I remembered it differently. Can you share with me how you felt in that moment? Wow. Then go and validate your child in that moment. Don't tell them that there's something wrong with them. Exactly, because it's like when my mom left me with other people and she tried to switch how I remembered it when it's really just like, you just need to hear, I am so sorry, that was so traumatic to you versus like,

I this and I that. Wow, we are the, I totally get you. So when you say your mom mocks you about being a parent, I this and I that. Wow, we are the, I totally get you. I really do. So when you say your mom mocks you about being a parent, can you give us an example of what that looks like? My dad mocks me. So I, gentle parent, I like to approach my children and try to understand what's going on

before yelling at them and kind of belittling them. So- Isn't there a middle ground? Well, okay, so for instance, so like my child would do something that she was, she shouldn't have got the markers, right? Okay. I told you, you shouldn't have the markers. So I'm gonna go take the markers and put them away.

My dad would be like, yo, your mom said not to play with the markers. Now you got them taken away. Now you're in trouble, huh? Like he would do something like that in the background. Okay. Can you like, again, new parent here, my daughter's only seven weeks old,

but like I wanna be a tough but fair parent, I wanna be certainly like in touch with their feelings, but I also want my kids to understand rules and boundaries and I want them to understand consequences and responsibility and when they don't listen to what we say, you know, like we got put in the corner when we were a kid, we had timeouts and shit like that. My parents didn't mock us, they punished us.

And we learned to follow their rules, we learned to behave, we learned to respect our elders, which I'm all on board for. I do know that I have no plans on every time River or any other child that Minnelli and I have, I'm not gonna be like, why did you do that? Why did you feel like the need to like miss be,

I'm not gonna be this gentle fucking parent every time. I'm not here to tell you what to do or how to be a parent. But again, like, and that's- Yeah, no 100%. You know, but- Yeah, and don't ask me, cause I'm Latina, so we don't ask shit. This is immediate yelling.

So, but if my little girl, say she colored her brother, like that's an obvious, like, please, you're not supposed to be doing that, right? Hey, there's a, your markers are now taken away because you couldn't follow the rules of the markers. Sure. Right? You colored your brother. That thing is taken away.

I'm not about the go to your room and think about it kind of thing, because the kids don't even know what they're fucking thinking about in the first place. Yeah, they do. Yes. You need a moment to yourself because you need to go and get out of the situation. But to sit there and tell your child to go sit in a corner until an appropriate age,

they can't, they can't, they don't know what they're doing. All they see is that their safe place is telling them that they're being bad. They have no idea what they did. You have to sit there and explain it to them. I think it's just my trauma that that's why I do that. Because I was always told, just go away. You stress me out. You're stressing me out. Go away. Stop. Just go. Yeah, that's valid. Yeah. I mean, listen, I'm not here to tell you how to parent. I'm a new parent. I'm just figuring it out.

And you'll find your way, you know? But also it sounds like you are, I'm assuming you're aware, it's coming across to us that you are, especially as a new mom, realizing that you have some childhood trauma as a result of your parents. It seems like you're becoming more and more aware

as you have become a parent of your own of maybe ways in which your parents raised you that has affected you negatively. Would that be accurate? And my parents aren't perfect, I'm not perfect, right? No one's perfect. My parents screwed up and I will screw up too. Sure. Okay?

I know that 100%. But when it comes down to being an adult and telling your child that they're wrong at 33 years old, or like gaslighting your daughter when she's going through probably the toughest time in her life. Yeah. I mean, that's that's some deep shit. What was the straw that broke the camel's back? So that kind of started the catalyst. We were looking for a house and my parents were coming to, my mom was coming to watch the kids. My dad, husband and I were going to go to the house for the inspection. And I have my mom's location. So right before they were supposed to leave,

I looked at their location and was like, they're not going to make it to my house in time. It's raining. My husband's a really like on time punctual person. Love that. He's starting to get stressed out that my parents are going to make it. And I called my dad and said, Hey, I see that you guys are still at home. Do we need to change the plans? You guys are not going to make it to my house on time for Michael to leave. And my dad pretty much told me, shut up. You don't know what you're talking about. Flick. Oh gosh.

So then I looked at Michael and I was like, just go. I mean, you don't know what you're talking about. Flick. Oh gosh. So then I looked at Michael and I was like, just go. I mean, you gotta go, go. So when my dad showed up, he was gone. And he was pissed. He was so pissed, he was gone. It wasn't that we weren't going. I was then just gonna go with my dad and meet them there.

You get in the car, my husband calls and was like, hey, I wanna apologize to your dad for leaving. He didn't have to. He was like, hey, I'm really sorry that I had to leave. It was really important for me to get there on time, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, whatever, whatever. He didn't say a word to him. He just cold shouldered him.

He gets off the phone. Now I'm uncomfortable because he just treated my husband that way. And so he starts driving like erratically. And I said, is this how you're going to drive for the next 45 minutes? I'm pretty sure I said it with a tone. I'm sure I said it with some conviction and didn't say anything. He whipped the car around, drove back into my neighborhood, told me to get out of the car and go get my mom. I played a part. I got in the house. And this was after my mom already had done this whole

stealing thing, right? Got into the house. I said, you guys are going to ruin the relationship you guys have with me. Your husband is the reason that this I'm not going to talk to you guys anymore. And you need to get the fuck out of my house. And I haven't spoken to them since. How long ago was that? Almost a year. Oh, my God. They still have visitation rights to my kids.

Legally they have visitation rights? No, that's what my dad calls it. He calls it visitation rights to my children. Well, why though? Why? I don't understand. Why? It's more for my daughter because she has such a close relationship with them. And it's so short lived that she's over there that I don't think that they could really do any damage at this point. But I know that there's going to be a day that comes that I have to cut off that communication for her. But I just I kind of want it to be an age where she understands a little bit more and

grasp like the reality of what the situation is. So you're saying right now your plan, assuming nothing changes, is that you're allowing your parents to see your kids because hey, they deserve grandparents even if they suck as parents. But at some point she's going to get old enough where you're going to be like you can't see grandma and grandpa anymore, assuming nothing changes. No, so she comes home to me

and is hurt in some way by my parents for what they've done and say it's something that's happened to me or something they are continuing to do, like a toxic trait of theirs that they continue to push. And if it affects my child, it's over, but there's nothing else I could do. It's gonna happen.

It's gonna happen. Cause I will tell you right now, that's when I decided to end things with my mom was when she finally started treating, I literally witnessed it, treating my daughters exactly how she treated me. And that's when I was like, you know, we're done here. You can do whatever the fuck you want to me.

But the second I see it happening to my kids, like we're done. And it's hard to pull them away from their grandparents cause they just don't understand. Nope, that's it, easy as hell. And then maybe it's your one being bad. Nope, I promise you when you go through it and you actually are in this situation,

it will not be hard because you will know 100% without a doubt that what you did was right. And for your kids, you won't feel bad about it, I promise. So my question, if you're still allowing your parents to see your kids, why haven't you at least tried to mend fences? So I did. I went to therapy, I went to my therapist

and was like, this is like fucking crazy, what do I do? Obviously he knows all of the stuff that's going on. I've been talking to him since 2017, so he really knows me. And he said, well, I don't think it's safe for you to just talk to them about this because they're not going to listen to you. They've never listened to you. They've always kind of pushed how you feel aside. So he said, Why don't we draft a letter? So together with my therapist, he sat there and he said, just vent, just tell me your shit. Tell me what you want to tell your parents, and I'll say it in a more eloquent, like less harsh way." And he did a beautiful job.

That's so nice. I sent it and I scheduled an appointment for that following week just to give myself a week to see if they would respond. And they never did. They never responded in that week. So then I went back to therapy and I was like, they didn't say anything. And my therapist was like, what do you mean they didn't say anything to that letter? They didn't say anything to you? So I was like, I guess there's nothing else to like talk about. Was he that surprised?

He was very shocked. He was shocked they didn't say anything. Cause it was a really kind letter. It really was not mean. Do you have siblings? I have a brother and a sister. My brother is the matriarch of the family and I am no contact with him too,

going on like almost six years. Damn. And my dad's mom, I don't talk to her as well. For the same reasons? My dad's mother, yeah, she belittled me multiple times. I mean, you wanna talk about every name in the book, that woman's called it to me. Yeah.

And your brother? And my dad's done nothing about it ever. And your brother? My parents kind of made that divide. They kind of made time for my brother. So they don't talk with your brother either? Almost six years. So this whole family is a bit broken.

This is beyond you and me, Nick. Yeah, but that's why I wanted to call because I wanted you to see the perspective of a family that I've tried, I'm 33 years old. And in that letter, my parents did write me back. And in that letter, they're like, we just don't understand where all of this hurt is coming from. I don't understand how you don't understand. This is not the first time I've ever said this to you guys.

And she's just like, I'm utterly shocked that you feel this way. What? What do you mean you're utterly shocked? Are you close? That means you've never listened to me. Are you close to your sister? Um, no. I keep her at a safe distance because she validates my parents. She validates their toxicity. Yeah. She thinks that whatever happened in the situation of my mom stealing things, that it must have just been a situation we must move past. She doesn't want to get to the bottom of it. My mom sent out like a save the date to my wedding behind my back because I didn't want to invite certain people.

Your mom invited people to your wedding without your permission? My mom sent out a save the date to people that I said that I wanted a small wedding. She didn't agree with it. So she sent out a save the date to people behind my back. Wow. That's crazy. That's something my mom did. And so that's why I wanted to call because I wanted a perspective of, I've given them a lot. I've tried so many times to go back to them and say, listen, if this hurts, I want a mom, I'm a mom, I want support. I want somebody to be there for me. I want a dad to support my little boy. Like I want all of this. I want a family.

My husband has a wonderful family. And I think maybe seeing his family and his dynamic, I was like, Whoa, what the hell is my family? And my husband and I have been together for almost 15 years. And he, when we first started dating, we would leave my parents' house and be like, Why does your mom say that? Why does your mom treat you that way? Why does like, why do your parents do this to you? And I never really realized it till people started really putting it in my you? And I never really realized it till people started really putting it in my face. And I became a mother myself. And I was like, wow, I could never do that to my daughter. That's beyond insane.

Yeah. Yeah, that sucks. That sucks. You have to go through that. Yeah. But what would you say to somebody? Say I'm calling and I'm asking you for a next step. Like what would you say the next step would be in this? I don't know if there is one. It sounds like you've done everything you can. You know, like sometimes you set a boundary, you're enforcing the boundary, right? I mean, there's nothing to be done.

You know, your parents are choosing, as you've pointed out, to like not give a shit about what you say. I mean, to be totally honest, as you've pointed out, to like not give a shit about what you say. I mean, to be totally honest, I don't totally get, I mean, I get where you're coming from, but like giving your parents visitation rights as you say it, like I think Monica makes a great point. I mean, your parents sound kind of like shitty, you know?

And they- I definitely don't have visitation. Yeah. And I don't, like, it's almost a guarantee, you know, and they. I definitely don't have visitation. Yeah. No. And I don't, like, it's almost a guarantee, you know, if we're betting on are your parents going to eventually say something to your kids and your kids are gonna come back with some sort of story that's gonna make you go, you know what, we're done.

Yep. And I'm always. How do I cut that? How do I do that then? That is like. What do you mean? I don't even know like, I don't know. I think it's important to remember too,

like you're not alone. Cause I feel like a lot of times even having this with my mom, I felt so alone and like no one understands. No one has a mom like this. No one's gonna be able to really, I just feel like you need to hear just from your face. I just, I get it. You are not alone and this decision is so huge

and I understand that, but so many people are in the same exact position. It feels isolating and you feel completely crazy in this, but you're not, you're not. I know, I can see it in your face. I'm like, she feels crazy. You are not crazy and you are not, you're not. I know, I can see it in your face. I'm like, she feels crazy. You are not crazy and you are not alone. I swear to you, like when I came out with my story

on my mom, that was the number one thing I got from people was thank you so much for showing this because I felt nuts and by myself, my mom is just like yours. So I just feel like it's important for you to like take a breath and just realize you're not crazy and you're not alone. And I know it feels so big and so heavy

and that's normal and it's okay. It's okay. You are okay, mama. Yeah, I know. It's just, I think if I didn't have kids, it would be a lot easier. Oh, for sure, yeah. But I mean, not that I'm suggesting

you use your kids for leverage, but clearly grandma and grandpa wanna hang out with their kids, right? And you want a relationship with your parents. And like, you know, you've listened to my show. I'm always like, lead with love. It sounds like that's what your letter did. So if you decide to no longer let, you know, have your kids like go to grandma and grandpa's

house, you know, I know you wrote a letter and I know you didn't get a response. But my point is you can always from time to time reach out to mom and dad, text, letter again, whatever, or when they come and pick up your kids and once again say, listen, I hate that we have the relationship that we have, but I'm standing by my conviction, my boundaries, whatever. Like I do deserve to be talked to the way you guys talk to me, I don't appreciate you guys treat me. And I just, I've chosen not to deal with anymore. You know, and so like same goes with my kids.

This is not, as I've said, like on Monday, you can say, I don't wanna do this, but I'm choosing my happiness and my family's happiness and my kids happiness over our relationship. But if you guys want to work on our relationship, I'm happy to work on it as well. And you can say that to your blue in the face. I don't know if they're ever gonna come around,

but it's like one of those things where, you know, you saying it over and over, they can say what they want because clearly they're willing to gaslight you about stuff. But like you can always know deep down that you have owe it. You never stop trying with your parents. You know? Yeah, like you gave it. You kept giving. And I feel like what I'm doing right now is giving up. I really do. I feel like giving what you're throwing in the towel is giving up.

Throwing in the towel. How? What do you mean? I don't know. I just feel like so like my dad did approach my husband and I after the visitation with my children, they went to SeaWorld and they came back and my dad got out of the car. Didn't look me in the eyes, looked at my husband and was like, enough is enough. Like it's been six months. Like when is this going to stop? It was no like, hey, we love you. We want you in our life. It was like, and I just kind of looked at him and my husband was like, literally said, why are you looking at me? This has everything to do with her. Yeah. Why are you looking at me? I'm not going to change her mind. This is not making excuses for your parents, but clearly like you're the adult in this situation now.

Your parents are almost the kids. And you still have an expectation that your parents are supposed to come to you with like regret or remorse and contrition and things like that. And I don't think that's gonna happen. You know what I'm saying? You almost have to,

I don't think your parents even realize what's going on. So I think if you have these expectations of your parents, you will always be disappointed. If you start seeing your parents as kind of the flawed and broken people that they are, but still say, hey, well, you are my parents, and as imperfect as our relationship is, I still wanna have to have a relationship.

I'm here to say almost with certainty, if you have a relationship with your parents, you will forever have to be the bigger person. Yeah, yep. And you'll have a relationship with your parents, you will forever have to be the bigger person. Yeah, yep. And you'll have to just swallow your pride. You know, and the big, having a relationship with your parents might just be like, it may not be the perfect scenario. It might, you know, every time I talk to people like you

in Monica, like I wanna call my mom and dad, be like, thank you for being fucking normal. Yeah, truly. You know? But, you know, there's a difference between having no relationship and at least something you know like you guys don't have to be best friends you can you know I have family members that I will I love my family members unconditionally some of them I couldn't I couldn't have an entire hour meal with them I just can't do it you know. How do you keep that relationship though

that's where I find it hard. Like how do I keep that? Again, like you can redefine what it means to have a relationship. Right now you're just flat out ignoring your parents. You know? Yeah, pretty much. And it's almost like a fuck you,

but you can see my kids, but I won't talk to you. Like that's a little toxic, you know? Is it cause they help you? And there's no shade in this at all. No, not at all. No, no financial. It took me a minute because I was like, she's the only one that helps with my kids and damn,

I need a fucking break. I get that too. Oh yeah, no, trust me. My husband works shifts, so he works 24 hours at a time and yeah, I could fucking use a break. But no, it's not that. I just think when it comes down to it, I'm constantly, when I'm around them, either stressed, anxious, having to fight for my life constantly,

telling my dad to stop acting that way, telling my mom, or feeling that my mom's being cold and having to reshift my energy in the room to kind of fit everybody. It's like I'm constantly having to have an out-of-body experience to be around them. Just so I can get through it. I feel like Nick nailed it, where he was like, if you choose to have like an out-of-body experience to be around them. I feel like Nick nailed it where

he was like, if you choose to have this relationship, you're just always going to have to be the bigger person. Yeah. Listen, the reason why I preach boundaries all the time on this show is that I realized as an adult that like even as a kid, I was always good at setting them. You know, I've never been one to succumb to peer pressure. When I was in high school, I was like, no, let's take a shot. So I'm like, no, they're like, fucking loser. I'm like, I don't care.

I'm not doing it. It's never been hard for me to say, this is who I am. I don't care what you think about me. I'm going to do me. You know what I'm saying? Other people struggle with that. And I bring up Thomas Sandoval, perfect example. I've gotten to know this guy by filming a show.

Tom and I are not, I mean, he's pretty mad at me after the interview, I think probably. But like, I can be around Tom. I can be friendly with Tom. I can hang out with him. I could see a world where I could be like, yeah, I guess we're friends, per se. Because I know who Tom is.

I accept him for his faults. I'm not going to Tom to be my ride or die. I'm not going to him, you know, asking him for certain types of advice or I'm not trusting him with certain secrets. You know, I know his limitations as a person, you know? And maybe he'll do some work and maybe he'll change. But like, there's a world where I could have Tom Sandoval

in my life because I know what to expect and not expect from him. I don't need to cut him off because like, oh my God, because he's a danger to me. You know what I'm saying? Because I know what he is and I, you know, and so I think you have to look at your parents that way. Stop having these grandiose expectations of them.

They're never gonna be the award-winning parents that you hope they were gonna be. Yeah, your mom may or may not steal from you sometime. Exactly. That's like, you know, it's just like mom's kind of a little bit of a club go. But like accepting that she's a flawed person who's going to irritate you from time to time, and you're going to have to be like, you know what, I need like fun fucking three weeks from mom and dad is a lot different than me. Like I'm never talking to you ever fucking again. You know, and that's truly truly I understand what you're saying

and that's why I think I struggle with it so much because I don't want to cut people off. I am a communicator, I over communicate. I come up to people like my husband, I'm constantly like, ah, and he's like, what's wrong with you? I was like, well, if I don't get it out, it's just gonna fester.

So I'm like, just get it out. So stop expecting your parents to be 10s, understand that they're fours, and then take the four. It's hard. Or don't. Or don't, but I'm just saying, if you want to, like, you know, and like have rigid boundaries and like, you know, if they, if they, you know,

violate your trust when it comes to your kids, but there is always a happy medium. And I, you know, like you- And that's why I called you, because I know that you have that stance. I know that you have know, like you. And that's why I called you, cause I know that you have that stance. I know that you have that like, you don't have to do this to your parents. I just can't see a light at the end of the tunnel.

I can't see a spot, just like Monica. I can't see a spot where I can sit there and be like, you're not going to hurt me. You're not going to hurt me. And that's what it comes down to. I think it comes down to. Well, maybe that's still work that you could do for yourself.

And again, I don't know your situation. I don't want to tell you what to do. Like I've been able to watch Monica's mom on TV and like she doesn't seem like, like she seems incredibly toxic. And if your mom or your parents resemble that type of energy, like God bless you, cut them off. Yeah.

You know, but again, you clearly have some feelings towards your parents and understandably so and resent them. And like if you, back to the Tom analogy, I expect almost nothing from Tam Sandoval so he can't disappoint me. And maybe that's work you can continue to do

with your therapist about what you expect from your parents and therefore it's hard for them to hurt you when you expect nothing from them. Yeah. And that's your choice. Yeah, no, yeah, it's true. We had a call years ago in a very different situation. Her mom had some health struggles,

but I just suggested the fact that maybe this is the best your mom can do. And as long as you're safe and as long as you're okay, that maybe just forgiving her for her limitations and maybe how she was raised, that will allow you to get over some of the baggage that you have of expectations towards your parents. Cause like you're holding onto a lot of anger, clearly.

And you need to try to let that go and then reassess how you see your parents and then just be like, all right, this is their limits as parents, you know? And this is all I can expect from them. And they might even steal from me because that's who my mom is, unfortunately. But like having your mom steal your shampoo

and not talking to her, like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, obviously not the reason I stopped talking to her. But you get what I'm saying, you know? It's like something that you would have to accept. Like you're gonna have to swallow it on that one if you decide to have her come back into your life. I think- Oh, of course. Yeah, but you know, it's like something that you would have to accept. Like you're gonna have to swallow it on that one if you decide to have her come back into your life. I think it's- Oh, of course. Yeah, I can't bring it up.

But it's such a personal decision. We could sit here and say the worst possible answer or the best possible answer, but it's still like, you have to decide. You could leave here and be like, you know what? I'm gonna do what Nick suggests, which honestly really is a good suggestion. It's like, I can't have any expectations

and it is what it is, I'm gonna have to swallow my pride. And you could try that and it could work or not. And if it doesn't, that's okay too. You could just really be like, I tried everything. I tried swallowing my pride and being the better person. This is so toxic for me, I can't. Yeah, my guess is the fact that you called and is a sense that somewhere inside you suggests

that maybe there's a middle ground that you're trying to find, you know? Yeah, yeah, and hope isn't lost. My parents are only in their 50s. Sure. You know, there's still a lot of life and I don't wanna regret things. I really don't wanna look back and think like,

man, we didn't get fixed this, right? Sure, but just like- That's a huge- Yeah, and just knowing human beings, not a therapist here, not an expert at all, but your parents are 50 and they're not getting any younger. And old people learn a lot slower than younger people and they're not in therapy.

So expecting them to change is probably not gonna happen. And I think it's toxic to tell your parents to go to therapy. Honestly, I think that to tell your parents, hey, in order to be with me, you've got to go to therapy, honestly. I think that to tell your parents, hey, in order to be with me, you've got to go to therapy. I don't think that's the right thing, right? It has to come within. Yeah, and it sucks to say to you, your parents are going to be who they are,

they're not going to change, so you have to work within those parameters, you know? And like, again, back to the Tom Sandoval example, I can be like, you know what? It's not worth having as a friend, but he's not my brother, he's not my father. You know what I'm saying? And like, it's not worth having as a friend. But he's not my brother, he's not my father. You know what I'm saying? And like, it's hard as you have suggested

that despite for all your parents flaws, like cutting off your parents is like an ideal move. You know? And you can find the middle ground or you're not, that is your choice. We're not here to tell you what to do. Yeah, of course. But finding a middle ground starts with accepting your parents are deeply flawed.

They're probably not gonna change. And then figuring out how you, what can you accept and what can you not accept, you know? Exactly. I sat down with my mom. I actually did try to fix things even after everything happened on the show, even after her crazy ass on Twitter.

And I sat down with her and I said, this is my hard line. You need to stay off Twitter. You cannot keep showing your ass on Twitter about our relationship. She could not give me that. And so it's like this, you know, you're only 33, maybe at 39, I'm 39, you'll be like, yeah, I'm done. I've tried every, that's six extra years.

And there's a difference between mom stealing your shampoo and lying about it and then going to Facebook and mocking you to all of your friends and exposing- To the world. To your world, you know what I'm saying? So like, and that might, you might come to that decision where it's like, it's not safe to be around mom and dad. Right.

You know, and you'll have to figure that out. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Well, my husband will love it because it's exactly what he's always said. You just have to accept that out. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. All right. Well, my husband will love it because it's exactly what he's always said. You just have to accept them and then move on. Yeah. I love that advice.

You'll always be disappointed if you're hoping that someday mom and dad are gonna knock on your door and be like, you know what? We figured all our fucking shit out and we're here to be just great fucking parents. How can we help? Absolutely not. But I would hope that pain would cause change.

Hope's very disappointing. Sometimes it makes people more angry though. Yeah, it does. That's again an expectation. No more expectation. Yeah. You got to let go of these expectations of your parents. It's really getting in the way of some healing. I let them come to my kids' birthday parties. I invite them to events. It's not like I completely am like, ah, I can't be in my life. With all due respect, your parents have a history of manipulation and using their power and control to get their way

and you're doing the exact same fucking thing when you fucking breadcrumb them with little fucking things. Oh, not breadcrumbing. You're like, oh, I let you come to this, but you can't do this, you know what I'm saying? Like, so, I'm just saying. I don't say that, I just send them the invite and say, hey, so-and-so's turning so-and-so.

Oh, but I'm still not gonna talk to you. You know what I'm saying, though? I just, you know. Like, you have to act the way you want the relationship, and you are not returning the favor. You're not being the bigger person here. You're fighting fire with fire. That's just never gonna get things

the way you want them to be. And one thing I am certain of, if you have any relationship with your parents, you will always have to be the bigger person and it will always be annoying. It will feel unfair. You're gonna feel crazy all the time. Not crazy, well yeah, but crazy

if you have the same expectations, but it will always feel unfair. It will feel like, why do I always have to be the one? Why do I have to feel like the parent? That's how it's gonna feel. But maybe it will always feel unfair. It will feel like, why do I always have to be the one? Why do I have to feel like the parent? That's how it's going to feel. But maybe it will be worth it. I don't want to do that for the rest of my life. I think that's the reason I kind of cut them off because I was tired of kind of showing up and always being kind of like shoved into my face. Fair enough. And that is your choice. But like that's just like a pride thing. And that's like, but if your parents died tomorrow in a car crash, would you-

Be devastating. Yeah. Would you have wished that you had been like, you if your parents died tomorrow in a car crash, would you? It'd be devastating. Yeah, would you have wished that you had been like, you know what, I wish I would have, I guess, one of those deal with their shit and give them a hug and like just accept them as deeply flawed humans. I don't know. Honestly, I mean, that's the truth. I don't know.

I know that it would hurt that we couldn't get to like a resolved situation, but I don't know that I would feel any guilt on my end. Fair enough. Honestly. Yeah. Same. You'll have to figure that out. feel any guilt on my end. Honestly. Yeah, same. You'll have to figure that out. Again, you're not alone. No.

Same. I'm glad you were on this one. I'm glad I was a fellow. Yeah, me too. I'm so glad that worked out. All right, well, thank you for calling. Please give us update if anything changes with mom and dad. I will, for sure.

All right, take care. Yeah, I'm invested. All right, bye-bye. Thanks, bye guys. Bye. Take care. Yeah, I'm invested. All right. Bye bye. Bye guys. Bye. Before we started recording you teased some tea that you were gonna decide whether you wanted to share with us or not. Mm-hmm. I do not remember that. I remember. Yeah, you're like, I don't know. Justin's like, haha.

And then I told him I told your wonderful friend to get out because he suggested that. Ah! Poor Andy. Andy was just like, don't do anything. Okay. Yeah, I did. Okay. Can you share? Can you give us some context?

Like why? Um, it's just something like everyone always asks like, what's next? What's next or what's going on or what's new with you? Or, you know, life after housewives. Like you're going to be on Traders. I would love that. You know that they- What's your relationship with Bravo NBC?

That's such a good question. I feel like it's, honestly, I feel like it's good. They've been so sweet. They were so nice. Even in The Call, you know, that you have to have, they were amazing. I don't feel, I do feel like their hands were somewhat tied. Okay.

You know, the cast kind of came together and was like, we refused to film with her. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. It seems like publicly, the only discrepancy is about the whole casting process, which you kind of cleared up. I don't feel like it's that complicated.

I feel like it's so easy to understand. Yeah. Is it really, is it like that complicated? Honestly, tell me, cause- Listen, no, like you've been very transparent and like honestly, a lot of things you shed the light that, you Honestly, tell me. Listen, no, you've been very transparent and honestly a lot of things you've shed the light that have changed my opinion, so thank you. Like, if nothing else that legal documented,

it's just like, that's hard to ignore. I know. Your story about you told one group of casting that no longer is employed seems convenient. Okay, not casting, they were producers. Whatever. I know, because I- But telling a group of producers who then like somehow all left the show

and didn't pass that information along. But maybe they did. I don't know. That's where I'm saying I don't know. Fair enough. I don't know if that information was passed along. I don't know if it wasn't. All I know is there was like a year in between

from them being in my home to me filming and I did not see those four producers during filming. Yeah. What is next for you? I don't know. Are you being serious or KG? And that's not if you, like, I get it. Like if you can't talk about another project,

I hear you. I actually can't, like, obviously anything that I've signed like NDAs with, I really honestly can't. I'm trying to ruin your shit here. Let me ask, can I ask you a question? Please. Okay, if I say something on here. You need to take it out, we'll respect that.

Will you really? Yeah. Yes, 100%. Okay, hold my hand. People ask all the time. People ask all the time, it's very normal. I don't need to hold your hand, just hers, cause she'll get it. I am pregnant.

Congratulations. Oh my gosh. I literally just found out my friend Andy's shitting himself. Stop. I have not told one fucking person except for my best friend. How far along are you? I'm like seven weeks. Wow. Mm-hmm. Oh my gosh. But yeah, I'm pregnant and it's crazy. It's so scary.

I literally went into urgent care for something totally unrelated that I thought was wrong. Like I'm like, oh, I'm dying, you know? Mm-hmm. And the doctor came in and was like, you're pregnant. Who's the zaddy? I have not even, I have, I've been dating him for a year and no one even knows who he is

I'm actually so good. This is why everyone how about we do before we do a baby reveal How about we do like this is my man, you know, like can we find out who like I could do that? What's his back? I could do that and he's so mad at me right now Listen if you don't we'll take it out if you don't want to. No, it makes me so emotional. That's like the first time. No, that's amazing. I would love for you to let the people know. We're so happy for you.

Right now. I feel like this is exactly. I would be honored to be gifted that exclusive news. I feel like. I literally have not told one fucking person. If you don't want to know, take it out. So I hope you know you guys did a good job because if I didn't feel like I was in a safe space.

I feel like after you've had such a hard time that this baby has come to show you like- Is this a miracle baby? Were you guys trying? Oh no, I should not be, literally I was on the urgent care floor, bawling my eyes out. 39.

Yeah, because I'm like, I'm 39. Like there's no way I'm on birth control. Like by all means, I should not be pregnant. Don't tell, tell that to Johnny on Love is Blind. Yeah. Are you watching that? Yes. Yeah.

So it's so scary, but it's so crazy. I feel like I'm Andy Cohen. I know. He would never hand the box, he would hand just one. Yeah. It's true. But yeah, so thank you for like making it a safe space. All of you honestly,

because I would never say that aloud if I did. I hope you let us not take it out, but that's for you to decide. What does he do? What does your man do? Okay, so you wanna know what's crazy is we actually met during filming. I met him filming.

What's he do? So he works in Utah at Wasatch Excursions. He like manages that property. And that is where Heather and I shot our snowmobiling scene. Oh, yeah. So that is when I met him. And is that when y'all started talking or? It was a few weeks after that, but yeah.

So did you go back to the snowmobile and be like, hey, or did he find you on social media? No, this is what happened. So we were in the middle of filming and we took a break and I had asked our tour guide, like, is he single? Is he dating anyone? And he was like, well, he's courting. I'm like, what the fuck does courting mean, right?

Like, I'm not in Bridgerton times. I don't know what that means. And he's like, well, he's dating, but they're not like exclusive. Is he Mormon? No, he's not. But he did used to be. We have that in common.

Yeah, we do have that in common. And so when we had a break, I went over to him and I was like, do you have a girlfriend? And he said, no, I'm just, I'm dating someone. I said, yeah, I heard you're courting, but you're not like exclusive. He's like, no. I was like, give me your phone.

He handed me his phone and I put my name and number in there. And I was like, call me. And he called you. Two weeks later. How old is he? He's 29. Yeah. KT.

I know. We love an age gap. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Actually, when I met him, he was 28. Okay, okay. So I was like, you're a baby. How did he take the news? I think honestly, we were both in shock,

but he has been incredible. That's it. He's been so supportive. He's been so in common with Nick. It's okay. Yeah, yeah. Were you shocked? Yeah, well, no one will ever see that video.

Oh, I wanna see it. Yeah, it's terrible. Didn? Oh, yeah. Well, no one will ever see that video. Oh Yeah, it's terrible didn't look at I got I was it was misdirection. I was just was not prepared. I was like, I thought we're making kale salad Ourselves making supper, but then I knew I was being recorded and I immediately thought I'm doing this wrong Yes And so you saw a very self-conscious face. Actually, I really, I kind of fucked up. I did him so dirty when I told him, I was leaving on a work trip and I was on the plane and he was like, I love you so much.

And I was like, I'm pregnant. And then my phone like, boom, done in the air. That was so fucked up. Oh no, that was fucked up. So yeah, that's how I told him. But it worked out, cause I was so scared of his answer. So then I was like, airplane mode. And he had time to process.

He had time to process. And then I could deal with his responses. Yeah. But he's been great. He's been very like, whatever you decide, I support. Okay. And you have four- And he's still saying the wrong thing.

I'm like, that's not what I want to hear. You know? What do you want to hear? I don't know. I told him, I was like, that's not what I wanna hear. You know? What do you wanna hear? I don't know. I told him, I was like, if you said, I want the baby, I'd be mad. You don't want the baby, I'd be mad. You know, I'm just in this emotional,

you guys, I literally just found out. Do you know what you want? No. But I know I'm having a baby. You have four girls? Yeah. Wait, you guys wanna hear something psychotic? Yes.

This is so crazy. The last couple months, I shit you not, this is a true fucking story, Justin. My two youngest have been talking about how mommy's having a baby. And I'm like, mommy is not having a baby. You guys are crazy. They knew.

What if this is your boy? That's what they said. They were like, we're gonna have a brother. And I'm like, girl, you're not having a shit. And lo and behold, I'm pregnant with child. They manifested that. Yeah. I'm like, how did you guys know that?

Well, I hope you let us keep this in. Yeah. Talking about it for like 10 fucking minutes. I know. That's so exciting. Well, we're very happy for you. It is really exciting. Thank you. It's so scary. I'm we're very happy for you. It is really exciting. Thank you, it's so scary.

I'm so scared, you guys. I thought I was done. What are you scared about? I think being so much older and having a baby is like really freaking me out. Also, my youngest is six. I thought I was done. It's like, it's so much.

My mom had one at 47. Wait, did she really? My mom had me at 38. Stop. My mom had one at 47. Wait, did she really? My mom had me at 38. Stop! My mom had three kids in her 40s. Yeah. Wait, that makes me feel so much better. Oh my God.

Cause I'm like geriatric. No. No, that's what they call it. Technically, yes. Technically, yes. And again, we're not doctors, so. Yeah, no, but that is what they call it. Technically, yes.

But it can be done. And that was 18 years ago. Yeah. So, let me feel it. You've done it four times I know but I was And I had like you don't seem less strong. Thank you. I appreciate that Nothing else you definitely have some fight to you. I'm like not married at least I was Is he excited is he more excited than scared? I feel like he's more excited than scared.

Like even on my way here, he was like. Well, when you're in your wheelchair, he'll be, you know, being able to play the song. That's what she says about me. He's gonna have to feed me and the baby. I'm gonna be old, baby's gonna be new. He'll change your diaper and your tent.

He'll do the night shifts. Exactly. At least he's young, that's true. He can handle it. Yeah. He can handle it. Yeah, he can handle it. Is there anything about Lisa Barlow you want to share with us that you feel like the people deserve to know? Oh, there's so much. I mean, I would go on and on about your beautiful blessing that is your child, but, and for the sake of not sharing if you want it in the end.

Yeah, no, I get it. I'm going to cut out an hour. Yeah, no, I get it. I don't wanna cut out an hour. Yeah, no, I get it. Sure. Honestly, there's so much about her that people, she's- That they need to know. That they need, I mean-

As a fan, any Lisa Barlow fan, caution beware. What would you caution them? I think you know how Bravo fans are though. There's no changing their minds. If they're Lisa Barlow fans, there's no changing their minds. That they're Lisa Barlow fans, there's no changing their minds. That's not true. Really?

Yeah. I don't know. Did everyone believe, did everyone know about Angie's husband rumor before you told them? I can't speak. I really honestly don't know if Lisa had heard that before. I know Heather had heard about that before. I know Heather had heard that before.

I know Meredith had heard that before. I mean, this wasn't like, this was stuff that Jen Shaw had said. It's not like they had never heard this before. I mean, you can tell. I thought you could tell. When she found out, she was like, wow. Like no reaction.

I mean, nothing. It was just, and then I think what's funny is they were so mad about me bringing that up, but then she literally walked right into the next room and talked about Meredith being on her back and spreading her legs. Like how is that any different? You know, I just think the hypocrisy is astounding on the show.

Do you think they resented the fact that you were the assistant of Jen Shaw and now you were their equal? I don't think they've ever seen me as their equal, but yes. Exactly, that's what I'm saying. I don't think that they felt like I should be there or belonged at all. No, 100%.

I mean, Heather literally said at reunion, we want higher caliber women. I mean, you're on camera puking and pissing yourself, but let's get higher caliber women, right? Because that's higher caliber than me, you know? Something I did want to ask you, because I was hard on you about this. Regarding your affair way back when. Yeah, yeah. You know, we talk about this shit all the time on the show, and we've had harsh comments about like infidelity, but I do like, people make mistakes, people can repent, people can learn, people, you know, again, like having Tom on the show

wasn't about like relitigating it, it was more like, what have you learned? Like we would love to see a different side of you now that you've been through a lot. And lots of times when you talked about it this season, you kind of said it with a smile. Super nonchalant, yeah. You kind of laughed about it.

You didn't seem, it was like fodder. And so you didn't come across as someone who actually was that sorry. Yeah. What would you say to that? There were a lot of conversations that actually were very emotional that were had about that

topic. In fact, when Heather and I, our first ever seen together was when we were shopping and we actually talked about it and it was a very beautiful conversation. Very emotional. I cried. I mean, but we didn't, you know, unfortunately we didn't get to see that. There were other conversations with Whitney that I had that were beautiful about infidelity and she went through some herself and we both had remorse and emotions over that, but we didn't get to see that.

You know, so there were real conversations of me. That was literally one of the hardest times in my life. I lost everything. I lost everyone. I was excommunicated from my church. I mean, it was like the scarlet letter for real was burned into my chest. And I deserve that.

How did the affair with your brother-in-law start? We were friends. We were actually all super, super close. We hung out with them all the time. We had this bond because we were kind of both the outsiders in the family in relation to like my in-laws. Obviously, they're very Mormon and I am- Mormonish. I swear a lot. I don't dress how they would want me to dress,

all the things. Mike and I weren't married in the temple at first. We got sealed a year later. I was more of the black sheep for sure. So we kind of bonded over that. The affair was emotional for a year and it was physical for six months. And then I went to my bishop. I was like, I can't fucking do this anymore.

This is awful. And then I told my bishop everything and I wish I could take that back. What have you learned about yourself since then, um, to ensure that you wouldn't make the same mistake twice? Well, I've learned that I, I should never judge. It's made me very, very open-minded because before then I had never, ever cheated on anyone and I was like, I would never, that's disgusting. That person's, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And now I'm like, right situation, right time, shit, anything can happen and you can fuck up. And it doesn't mean you're a terrible person. It means you made a terrible mistake, but you can get past that and you can change. I think that I honestly learned about forgiveness because I will tell you, my in-laws actually, after the first initial shock and everything, I mean, they were so great to me. And I was welcomed back into

the home and around my sister-in-law and we were great. And it kind of sucks, cause I wish that we were in a different place, cause I would have loved for people to see that she and I were actually friends again after all of that happened. I think the reason why it looked so callous too was because it was literally like over a decade ago.

So I don't have the same emotions. We all forgave each other for that years ago. We were all friends again. We all went to family shit again. We were all traveling. So it was just like the emotions were different. Do you think you're still capable of the right situation, wrong time

to cause you to cheat again? I would never because of what I did and the gravity of that situation and how fucked up that situation was, I would never be like, I would never do that again. I just need to never put myself in those situations that start that again. That's where I'm like, okay, like, this is crazy.

This might seem small to some people, but I never ever ever ever shared my location or passcode or anything with my ex. And like who I'm dating now has that. Like he has my location, he can go into my phone, da da da, I mean little tiny things like that, that I would have never thought of before, I think of now. Like I want them to fully be able to trust me.

I wanna be open, where I, before like I feel like I was not even close to that. You know? But even doing stuff like that for me, right? Someone that did have an affair, it's kind of like an addict. You know, like, hey, I'm gonna tell you my friend's having a birthday party at a bar. As an addict, I'm telling you I'm going to the bar.

Do you know what I mean? It's kind of like, hey, I cheated. I want you to have my locations. I want you to have my passcode. I want you to know everything because I don't ever want to do that again. But I need to acknowledge I had a problem and I really fucked up.

Do you think that problem has been dealt with? I mean, I haven't cheated ever before or ever since. So I don't know. I'm hoping that I never ever ever cheat again. Okay. Was that something that your mom used against you? The affair? I actually feel like she, my mom. Good about it. She was really good about it. She was good about it? Like I have a lot to say about my mom,

but she had my back in that time. She doesn't feel like that was handled well at all by like the church, things like that. And she was very supportive. So that's how you got ex-communicated was because you told your bishop. Yeah, I went to my bishop. Gotcha. Gotcha.

There are pictures of you with Whitney filming on the internet for season five. No. These were debunked. Those were from season four. I know. I will not be back. I know everyone's kind of like, you know, zero chance.

I think there's zero chance with this cast. But you're, are you optimistic that your relationship with Bravo is in a place where they're like, she's good to you and they'll find a spot for you? I mean, if we're looking at Housewives as a whole and what people have done and yet they still come back, I think I'll be fine. I feel like there's been a lot worse stuff than a burn book and a burner page.

Oh, as far as Bravo concerned, I don't think they give a fuck. Yeah, do you know what I mean? I mean, there actually has been real shit that's happened with cast members that they've still come back. You mean you've definitely shed some light and we appreciate you doing so

in terms of your perception of this situation. But regardless, right or wrong, when you have a group of women who are like, we won't film with this person, there's very little you can do. Yeah, I was shocked though, because I didn't think they had that much power. I really didn't.

I didn't think the cast had that much power to be like to tell Bravo what to do. That's wild to me because I feel like at the end of the day if Bravo was like no you're gonna deal with it. Lisa Barlow isn't fucking walking away from the show are you kidding? She fucking deal with it. Sorry. So why do you think they won't maybe reconsider? Like what if season five falls on its face? What if these new gals, these new housewives that they have. Do you know them?

No, I actually, I know Maylee, but not well. Like I've spoken with her, we follow each other on Instagram, we've gone to dinner once, but I don't know Brittany at all. I don't know Bronwyn at all. And I know Maylee very little. So do you think it'll be? I don't know Brittany at all. I don't know Bronwyn at all. And I know May Lee very little. So do you think it'll be?

I don't know. I think every housewife is replaceable. It sounds like I get the word that Lisa Barlow's the new villain. When has she not been the fucking villain? I mean, I am just like season four finale. I think maybe it will be more like- She was a villain.

She was a fucking villain. I get what you're saying. She was like a villain, but like I feel like it will be more like... She was a villain? She was a fucking villain. I get what you're saying, she was like a villain, but like I feel like it will be the, you know, it will be, it won't be a villain by like, you know, how she acts and just like makeup shit, but it will be like, it's like, I'm getting the sense that her and Whitney might be...

Really? Yeah. I mean, that's not surprising because that was season one, two, three. So, I mean, that's not surprising because that was season one, two, three. So, I mean, it's not surprising that we would go back to that. Back to that, okay. Yeah, you know? I think that it's great that I was able to bring them

all together for a season, like a messiah, you know? That was beautiful. Kumbaya, you're welcome, bitches. If you could go on any other Housewives show, what would it be? I love Miami. Those women are amazing. They were so sweet to me at BravoCon.

They're so kind. Yeah, I love them. Like, the first time I met Kiki was at BravoCon, and we cried together in an elevator because she was just like, thank you so much for showing real shit. Moved to Miami. I know, right?

Lars is incredible. I think she's amazing. I think she's so nice. Gertie's amazing. Nicole was so sweet. I mean, Miami is just really, really nice. Women. Okay.

All right. Monica. Yes. Thanks for coming. Thanks for having me, you guys. We appreciate it. And congratulations. Yeah, congratulations. Thank you. It's it. And congratulations. Yeah, congratulations.

Thank you. It's big. I hope we can keep it in. That's big. Yeah. I honestly, I'm gonna have to run it by- Not that same fucking Mackenzie person who- No, no, no, no, no, by him.

Cause I feel like- Oh, obviously. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wouldn't wanna talk to him about it cause it's kinda like- Let's celebrate it. Let's make it some new. Let's be excited.

Could you imagine? Bravo would be so pissed. What do you mean? And I'd be like, yeah, you lost that storyline, assholes. I would have found out on camera for next, for this season. I would have found out while filming. What can we do to make, to get you in a car now? Yeah. I just would have to, I just have to ask him.

Ask him. Yeah. But hopefully he's excited. Yeah, he's, he was really cute. Like on the way here, like obviously I've been emotional. I've not been like easy to handle with this news. It's so big and I did not see coming, but on the way here, he's like, I love you.

I love the baby. I just want you to know whatever you decide. Like I'm here. That sounds beautiful. Just tell the world. Yeah. Could you imagine? Literally I missed. That sounds beautiful. Tell the world. Yeah. Could you imagine? Literally I can.

No, totally. I'm literally weak. He's like, I see it now. Your arms are crossed. He's so mad at me, you guys. I'm not going to survive the Uber trip. Your ex-husband doesn't even know. Yeah, my ex-husband doesn't know.

Like no one knows. I'm being dead serious. I know that you guys probably think I'm a liar. I really have not told anyone. We have literally no reason to believe you. Like I'm a little gull serious. I know that you guys probably think I'm a liar. I really have not told anyone. I believe you. Literally no reason to believe you. Like I'm a little callable. I know, to not believe you.

It's just like, I don't. This is a great way to tell them all at once though. Are you happy with today, at least? I think it went great. Yeah, I'm very happy. Yeah, we had a great time. Okay, good. I'd be thrilled if you let us keep this in.

But we will respect your wishes. We do not want you to do this in a way you regret. Yeah. We're very family friendly show here. I know. You guys are awesome. Thank you. Thank you for coming on.

Thanks. We appreciate it. I appreciate it too. Monica, welcome back. I mean, as far as everyone listening, it's the same episode, but thank you for like doing a kind of a, what do we call it?

A follow-up? A follow-up, a touch base. We recorded this episode three, three, four weeks ago. About that, yeah. Yeah, probably more. Yeah, almost a month ago. Obviously, again, congratulations on Thank you. the pregnancy. Just a big, we're very happy for you.

And obviously, as the people listening to this episode, you know, when you were like, oh, I might share something, I might not, never did I think that you would be announcing not only your relationship, but your pregnancy. And then we got into it, but then I wasn't sure if you wanted to keep it in. So then we moved on.

So either way, it's been a month. Where are you now? Like I know when we first spoke, obviously it was very new, you were processing, you weren't even sure honestly what you were gonna do. So now that a month has passed, how is it going? Like how are you doing? How's the baby?

How's the relationship? Yeah. Thank you so much. I just have to say before I get into this that you guys were so incredible and made the most safe space for me to even be able to share that because I did walk in going into that thinking, okay, do I want to share this? Do I not? And you guys were amazing. You were so respectful and you checked in on me so much and you were like, I'm so excited walk in going into that thinking, okay, do I want to share this? Do I not? And you guys were amazing.

You were so respectful. And you checked in on me so much. And you were like, how's everything going? And you were like, if you don't want to air it, we'll take it out. I just wanted to say thank you. You guys really were so wonderful. But I had actually found out I was pregnant literally the night before I flew out to LA. So it was so fresh. It was so new. Since then I've had an ultrasound and we could see the little yolk sack and the fetal pole and everything.

And I actually have another ultrasound on Friday. So yeah, it's so great. That's awesome. Congratulations. Well, we're so happy for you. And how have conversations been with your partner? Are you able to share his name? Are we still keeping that low key?

No, I can share his name. His name is Braxton. Braxton. Daddy Brax. Daddy Brax, okay. It's a hot name. That is hot. Brax Daddy.

And how old is Braxton again? He's 29. 29. And what is his excitement level? How has he been handling it? Like it's certainly. You know, that's such a good question. And I'm sure like a lot of guys can relate to this.

It was so shocking to find out we were, we weren't trying. I was on birth control. It was a complete shock. And we'd had many discussions about kids and he was like, you have four girls and you know, that's fine. We didn't ever plan on really having kids. And then the second we found out, he just was so protective and so caring. And he just dove into research.

Cause he's like, I know nothing about any of this or pregnancy or babies or he's like, babies don't even like me and I'm like stop it'll be fine but he was also very much like your body your choice whatever you choose I'm just here to be like your support system and partner through it and he's he's been honestly wonderful wonderful that's that's awesome well we're very happy for you and yeah I mean, honestly, and I just wanna return the favor and say thank you for allowing us

to be the ones to share this news. And I called Monica up early this week and be like, again, thank you. We were so happy to be able to share this information. And just wanted to check in with Monica and been like, this is your story. And if you wanna share something separately, and Monica graciously was like, you know know what I'm just gonna let you guys break

it so thanks for that. No it's been awesome. You've been great. I honestly it worked out better than I could have imagined and I'm so grateful I was able to share that and again you guys have been absolutely amazing and it was funny because Braxton's like, maybe we should put Nick in middle name. I'm like, okay. Okay, all right. Aw, no, that's so cute. You know, not too long ago, we said some pretty harsh things about you.

So I'm glad we can be, I'm glad we can have mended fences, but I don't know if I'm deserving of that. No, yeah, it's just so funny because of how it all played out. It was just like hilarious. Wait, do you know the gender? No, we don't, but we are definitely going to find out.

Oh shit, now we're gonna get a gender reveal on the file file. We're getting greedy now. We're getting real greedy. Don't make me. That's so amazing. There's probably an Amazon live in your future, you know. Oh my god, yeah. Well, Lala did that.

Yeah, and honestly look into it because, you know, she didn't do it for free. Oh, is that how that works? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. future you know yeah and honestly look into it because you know she didn't do

it for free do you know anything about Hulu we do you know why we do you know why we're asking why oh maybe we should do you have you why well because I'm gonna let you say it. Oh, maybe we should, it's you. Why do you think we're asking? On the first sizzle that we dropped yesterday. On TikTok. On TikTok, Hulu commented, and what did they say, Justin? We are seated. We are seated, which we found interesting

being like a competing, Hulu was like in the business of like taking a couple like Bravo projects. They got the Lisa Vanderpump. Vanderpump, yeah. They got what else? What else? The Kardashians went from E to Hulu. NBC to Hulu, yeah.

So have we been talking to Hulu? I am not going to say anything I can't confirm nor deny. Okay. All right. That's not a right. That's not a no. That's not a no, it's not a yes. Listen, I gotta say, regardless of what you think about Monica, and I'm saying this to the audience, I think after this episode releases,

there's gonna be a meeting at Bravo and everybody's like, we fucked up. We fucked up. 100%. We fucked up, we fucked up. We should've. You wanna know fucked up. We fucked up. We should have. Yeah, do you wanna know what's crazy that you say that? Is I literally would have found out that I was pregnant while filming.

Like I would have found out while filming. So yeah, that would have been crazy. Their losses are our rewards. Yeah. Can we ask you about this car chase Tanisha drama? Oh. Or do you want to talk about Rihanna first? Yeah, I was gonna say, you know who agrees.

I was gonna say, oh yeah. You know who wants you back. Let's end with Rihanna, cause that's like a hi-hi. Okay, we'll end on Rihanna. Okay, okay. What's going on with Tanisha, because this girl's up in my DMs.

No! Yeah, that's all I'll say. I don't want to- I throw out too much. Yeah. You want to know what's so crazy is she has been in a lot of Bravo pages and fan accounts and coming at them and it's been nuts. Actually as recent as this morning, Braxton actually called me and he drove and saw him in the driveway when he was getting in his truck, stopped him and was asking him questions about me.

What? But I'm the stalker. Why is she, yeah, but and why is she accusing you of stalking her? Because that's the first thing I saw a few days ago was this like what seemed to be a high speed car chase. I hope that you're being safe, regardless. I was driving and someone else was recording, so I was perfectly fine.

Okay, okay. And then what seemed to be like Tanisha chasing you, and then she was driving and filming, that was crazy. Yeah. Arm out the window. Now in theory, just to play the devil's advocate, I suppose you could have been stalking her and then she could have gotten mad and started chasing you

and that seems to be her story, but I know this is a she said situation, but can you provide any context as to why, why is she doing what she's doing and what specifically is she accusing you of? Okay, so let's start from the beginning here. Braxton lives in her neighborhood. And to be fair, I could possibly see how that looks to her. I know she was putting stories out

there like I specifically looked for single men in her neighborhood to date just so I could stalk her. The psychoticness of just that alone blows my mind. Truly. I met Braxton while filming. And it's actually like documented. The day we went snowmobiling is the day I met him. I had no idea he freaking lived in her freaking neighborhood. So the fact that he lives in her neighborhood means that I'm stalking her. Um, let me just say the length I have gone to, to avoid running into this woman woman or her even knowing where I'm at My uber bill

Is thousands of dollars because for the last almost year of Me dating him. I have had friends drop me off. I park at different locations and he picks me up I park at different locations and he picks me up. I'll park at gyms or gas stations or grocery stores and then he will come and get me and then take me to his house just so I don't run into her or see her or anything. The morning of the car chase, my friend Koa came and picked me up from his house. We drove down the street leaving his house. She was driving the opposite direction, and that was me stalking her.

She flipped a bitch and followed us, and that's when you see the car chase. So yeah. And why does she even think you're stalking? I mean, because like my understanding of this relationship that you two were in, like you guys were friends, you were cahoots, you were both reality Von Teese. Yep.

When did things go south? Like when did you turn on her? When did she turn on you? When did you guys turn on each other? Okay, we've asked this several times. I don't know the answer. The only thing that I know is she claims that I lied about her on national television.

I did not. She was involved in the page. Period. And the story, that's it. Isn't that obvious. Yeah, is she trying to do that? Yeah, okay. Yeah, very very obvious. I don't know why she is so angry. I don't know why she is so mad. I am literally Doing crazy shit to avoid ever seeing her again and Somehow it's still me stalking.

But even like with today, we called the police, we documented it. If I were the one, by the way, to stop at someone's house and ask questions about her, or stop at her home, like she stopped at his, I can't even imagine what would have been online today. Why don't you just have Braxton go to your house going forward?

Just to- Well, okay. He hadn't met my children yet. I'm very, very protective of my girls. And honestly, the pregnancy is what kind of kicked everything into motion. So I didn't have him come to my home until he had met my children.

Gotcha. So he's been there now. He's now met your children? Yeah, he has had met my children. Gotcha. So he's been there now. He's now met your children? Yeah, he has now met my children. And so that's something we can look at going forward now. But the reason why I would go to his is because I was like, I don't want you meeting my girls yet until I know this is serious.

Because again, with my mom, I met every single man. So I'm gonna do that with my daughters. That makes sense. You know, Monica, obviously we had you in the studio. We asked a lot of direct questions. I challenged you in a lot of things. Yeah. She has an answer for everything.

Truly. I do and it's the truth. It's crazy. And it's just like, obviously a lot of this episode is about like, we wanted to be know, we wanted to be obviously, we came in obviously with a bias and we were honest about that bias. And, but we also wanted to give you a fair shot

at answering questions. Yeah. And it's like, she does answer those questions. But like- It's the truth and my story has never changed. That's the thing too. My story has never changed. It is what it is. It's very simple. It's very truth and my story has never changed. That's the thing too. My story has never changed. It is what it is.

It's very simple. It's very cut and dry. And people just wanna push this, I don't know what I don't know. I'll give you the option. Do you want me to tell you what Tanisha's DM was to me? I absolutely wanna know. Yeah, 100%.

Let's hear it. Let's hear it. I love a little live tea. Yeah, 100%. Let's hear it. Let's hear it. I love a little live tea. Yeah, wow. She responded. She responded to this as though she goes, this is very much giving an abuser a platform. So why is she calling you an abuser?

Honestly, this officially needs to be taken up with my lawyer because I have done nothing to that woman. And are you, I mean, I can also, we don't have to have this part in if you are. No, put it in. Okay. I love that. No, it's actually insane.

It's to the point where it's scary. It's not funny. This isn't this. Yeah, this is at a serious level. I want her to say what I have done because if the police and detectives and investigators can't find anything that I have done to her, I want to know what I have done that's abusive. Yeah, because that's a very strong allegation to make towards somebody. Yeah, it's very slanderous. It's very damaging.

Um, and it's false. And I've tried to just let it go. Let her be angry, let her do her thing. Um, but especially with her approaching Braxton at his home this morning and then to text people saying, I'm the abuser.

It honestly needs to go to lawyers at this point because it's sick. Yeah, it does. And now I'm worried about her mental state for real because this is insane. Yeah, I don't know much about this, but it kind of, it almost screams a restraining order. Yeah.

I mean, what- I got tried. It's actually so hard to get a restraining order. Yeah. I mean, what a- I'm not tried. It's actually so hard to get a restraining order. It is so hard. And when I talked to the police officer today in charge of our case, he said, she's trying to get a restraining order on you. Yeah, cause like you're both calling the police on each other. They're-

Yeah. Here they are. The Salt Lake City police are like, we're literally in an episode of Housewives. Yeah, we literally are. It's a joke. It's a fucking joke. And then they said, you're trying to get one on her.

And I said, yes. And he's like, this is crazy. Like, maybe you two should just ask the judge for a joint one at this point, because it's psychotic. And I feel like she's using this as clickbait because there was no reason for her to turn around and chase me down the street and post it and then call me an abuser is... Yeah, I mean, our interview was a month ago and we had so much to talk about. Did we even talk about Tanisha? We did. We did not talk about her, did we? Well, we talked about her being threatened by you being on the show because it might be

like stealing a paycheck. I think that's what we touched on. Sure, but it wasn't like, I don't know, it's not, I just. And again, truth. It hasn't been your focus. I mean, I didn't realize. No, no. I didn't even know that there was a thing between the two of you until I saw this fucking car chase video. Yeah, it feels like she's just after a headline.

Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. And I think as far as I know, I mean, she's still... Yeah, and I saw something online, she posted something like, you deserve to be held accountable. And to your point, like what, what exactly? Cause she doesn't say, or has she said, I don't wanna put the words in her mouth and I don't-

She has not said, I saw that. Yeah, someone recorded it and sent it to me and said, she deserves to be accountable for her actions. And I'm like, what actions? Driving down the street, leaving my baby daddy's house? Like, because I don't give a fuck about you. Yeah. And there to see literally the man I'm having a baby with.

Nothing to do with you. So I don't know what consequences or actions I'm doing that deserve to have. It's maddening, Nick. It's actually she's obsessed. Someone actually posted on Twitter a picture of Selena and her assistant and put Tanisha's face over the assistant like me. And I'm like, literally it's getting to that point.

It's psychotic. It's crazy. She's been coming after you nonstop. It's crazy. Yeah, she's been coming after you nonstop since the finale. And that's what's funny is you haven't been speaking on her and she has not stopped talking about you since when did the show, like, what is this?

Four months. Four months now, maybe. Yeah. Months and months and months. Is she still tight with Heather? Right, I was just gonna ask that, yeah. Yeah, of course. I don't think that Heather, I almost feel like Heather

and Tanisha had this whole thing going on this whole time. So I think in Heather's head, she almost like, I don't think she could cut ties with Tanisha if you know what I'm saying. And the stuff Tanisha has told me about Heather, Heather owes me a fucking thank you card that I haven't leaked it.

I'm just gonna say that. Because if you think that Tanisha isn't doing to you what she's doing to me, you're stupid. So take that for what it's worth. Okay. Yeah. Let's all just like, let's all just take a big breath. We, you are with child.

We want to have this be a peaceful atmosphere. Yeah. Thank you for the tea, but like, let's, let's, let's come back to a moment of tranquility. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaking on high notes. Yeah.

Is there anything else you want to speak on this topic before we move on to Rihanna? I appreciate you telling me that she sent that. I think that she's the one actively causing problems in my life, and there's plenty of evidence of that. And I'm just going to call my lawyers the second we get off of evidence of that. And I'm just gonna call my lawyers the second we get off of this, yeah. Well, you have a fan and that fan is Rihanna. I will, it's like when I became the Bachelor,

one of the more cool things about it is every once in a while you find out like Jennifer Aniston went on Jimmy Kimmel as a Bachelor fan and like talked about me in the cast of the women. I didn't know that, that's so cool. Yeah, it's like knowing certain like big celebrities just know that you exist is like. Hell it is.

Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know what this was like for you. I'm sure a bunch of your friends hit you up, but Rihanna is pretty pissed you're not on. And so Rihanna and now Bravo must be pissed you're not on this season. Yeah.

Oh, I'm sure Bravo's just fine. I'm sure they're having an incredible season. We love Bravo and I'm sure they're doing fine. But like this would, I mean, as grateful as we are to be serving this information up to my audience. I mean, truly like this, this is- That was surreal. All of a sudden my phone just blew. I mean, it, like this, this, this is surreal. All of a sudden my phone just blew.

I mean, it was blowing up, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, like nonstop. But I have, I know that Rihanna is a huge Housewives fan. So that was really, also like she made a good point. Like at the end of the day, even if she's a fan or not, or whatever, it is a good point. Like if people can move on and go through all the stuff they go through with other housewives and Tom Sandoval, whatever, like the cash should get the

fuck over it, you know? Yeah. And, um, well, mostly I just like, you kind of had a smoking gun with the whole public record. What was it? It was the season assist. I just, I don't don't again maybe I'm missing something maybe it's not as obvious but the cease and desist is a

public record so the date is gonna be on there we know how long the cease and desist has been public record and well yeah if you don't look for it you wouldn't know it's there clearly it was all over literally every Bravo page, Twitter, whatever, when it was issued. Okay. So I don't know how you would have missed it. Yeah. I'm sure it was one of the receipts. So.

Yeah. Yeah. It was a selective omission. Interesting. Yeah. We got to get Rihanna on here for a reality recap. I'm sure she's watching now. Rihanna, we would love to have you.

Hey, girl. Hey, girl. Is Rihanna's new mom? Isn't she not? A couple years. Yeah, she's got two. She was pregnant when she performed at the Super Bowl last year.

Yeah, I don't know, maybe, you know, now he's a new mom, maybe we can all do like a play date. A mom's club. A mom's club. That would be so cool. Could you imagine? No, we literally can't. We can. Will it happen?

But no, I'm literally imagining it now. He's like, I don't have a kid, but I'm including myself in that. Well, Monica, thank you for coming on. Thank you so much. Thank you, thank you for everything. No, thank you for the iconic interview. Yeah, thank you.

We're gonna talk about this next week on Reality Recap. So in terms of our opinions. So I don't wanna give too much now before we say goodbye to our audience. But yeah, this is fucking wild. And we're gonna let the people we're gonna let the people marinate on this episode has your opinion changed of Monica for better or for worse what do you think now did Bravo make a mistake does this

change your opinion on Heather Lisa the rest of the cast you know I don't think anyone really thinks anything of Tanisha I keep forgetting Tanisha, you know. I don't think anyone really thinks anything of Tanisha. I keep forgetting Tanisha exists. I'm not trying to even be a dick, but she's not on the show. I think that's her problem, is that nobody has thoughts on Tanisha. You know, and it was just like,

when the whole Rialia Vanties thing dropped, and then I started hearing this name, and I'm like, I don't even, is Monica Rialia Vanties, yes or no? That's all I cared about. I don't care who else is on it, you know? But anyway, I digress. Well, I'm sorry that you're dealing with, you know,

those DMs. I really am. I'm not dealing with anything. I get DMs all the time. Yeah. Um, Monica, more than anything, congratulations on your pregnancy and your relationship. Forget all this bullshit. Take care of yourself.

Take care of the relationship. Obviously all blessings go to you, your child and your relationship. Thank you so much. Just friend to friend. Try to limit the drama that you involve yourself in for the sake of a tranquil family. That's just unsolicited advice from a non-expert.

Thank you. I appreciate it. I'll just try and remove. I'll hand it over to the lawyers. Yeah, hand it over to the lawyers. Just, you know, this person's following me, you know. Yep, yep. Stopping my boyfriend in the street at his house.

All right. Yeah. Well, I'm sure the world is anxious to meet Braxton Well, we'll patiently wait that Instagram post Thank you, Nick and thank you guys so much for being incredible with this pregnancy and everything I really I appreciate it more than you guys know. Well, we thank you. So we didn't really do anything but We're just so happy for you. We're just here. Thank you. Yeah, all bullshit aside, you know, a child's a beautiful thing. And yeah, we appreciate it.

Thank you. Thank you. Thanks for listening. Once again, this has been quite the episode. We will break it all down and more next week on Reality Recap. Until then. Yeah. Bye. Until then, bye.