The Viall Files - E736 GD with Guerdy Abraira + Summer House, Rachel’s Lawsuit, April Warning Theresa, and S*x After Birth

Episode Date: April 18, 2024

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Going Deeper Edition! To start things out, the household gets together to talk about recent headlines - such as Rachel explaining why she took legal action against Ariana, Amanda not having photos of Kyle on her phone, Gypsy Rose having issues with her Ex-Fiance's food hoarding habits, Courtney Love calling Taylor Swift unimportant, April commenting on Gerry and Theresa’s divorce, Crystal leaving RHOBH, and Annemarie fighting fake accounts. Then, we talk to Guerdy Abraira about all things RHOM, health scares, Reality Reckoning, and get some exclusives along the way. We also have a Texting Office Hours caller who dated divorce lawyer, just found out he's married with children, and doesn’t know if she should tell his wife. “I’m a nice person, but don’t f*ck with me.”  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: ZOA Energy - Available online and at a store near you. Find out where you can find it at https://www.ZOAEnergy.com and fine retailers like Amazon, 7-Eleven, Costco, Circle K and more. Hinge - On Hinge, there are no rules, timers or games. If you’re feeling inspired, give Hinge a try. Download Hinge today and find someone worth deleting the app for. Rocket Money - Stop wasting money on things you don’t use. Cancel your unwanted subscriptions by going to https://www.RocketMoney.com/VIALL  Apostrophe Skincare - We have a special deal for our audience: Get your first visit for only five dollars at https://www.Apostrophe.com/VIALL when you use our code: VIALL. That’s a savings of fifteen dollars! This code is only available to our listeners. Vuori - Not only will you receive 20% off your first purchase, but enjoy free shipping on any U.S. orders over $75 and free returns. Go to https://www.vuori.com/viall and discover the versatility of Vuori Clothing. Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @guerdydesign @nnataliejjoy @ciaracrobinson @alison.vandam @dereklanerussell @leahgsilberstein @justinkaphillips  Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 01:27 - Pop Topics 29:03 - Monica Recap 32:48 - More Pop Culture Headlines 44:01 - Guerdy Interview Begins 51:48 - RHOM 01:13:02 - Wedding Planning 01:17:15 - Reality Reckoning 01:24:40 - Boundaries While Filming 01:46:15 - Texting Office Hours 02:01:51 - Guerdy Final Thoughts 02:02:44 - Outro   

What's going on everybody. Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Going Deeper edition. I am your host Nick Joy by the household. We got Leah's what scooter. Do you want to go? Do you want, do you like scooter? I like scooter. You like scooter.

Yeah, I like scooter. Okay. We'll go with scooter. That's official. Now I'm still going to probably say Leah first. It can be either way. Okay. Leah the scooter.

No. Okay. Well, we got sweet boy Justin, you hear that sweet voice. My Pajama game. Sierra N, love of my life, mother of my child, and soon to be wife. Soon.

Now enjoy. Soon to be wife. Soon to be wife. Real soon. They didn't give it away. Real soon. Well, real soon. How is everyone doing?

We got a great episode today. Our guest is Gertie Abrera from Real Housewives of Miami. Our first Real Housewives of Miami. So fun episode with Gertie. We can't wait to give that to you, but we have a lot to get into before we get to Gertie. Also, I feel like we didn't get, you know, we didn't have as much of a robust reality recap episode

this week, obviously, given our guest Thomas Forrest and all the shenanigans that we talked about with him. So were there any other pressing topics we wanted to get into, specifically around either Summer House or the Valley or Vanderpump? I know Rachel's still been mouthing off. She recently had Joe on her show.

Well, she had a Joe interview and an emergency. Those are two separate ones. What is the emergency? What is the emergency? What did she have to rush to tell everyone? She's gone rogue again. Yeah, she did go rogue. There was a Life and Style article,

best and worst dressed at the I Heart Awards. She posted that Dana and Katie were worst dressed. So that was Joe. And nobody knew that Rachel convinced her to do that. But then Rachel posted an emergency podcast saying, I did it. She felt appalling to be a good person. She definitely got forced to do that episode.

I think she's a prisoner of I Heart. Oh no. Truly. Free her or maybe not. There also was a video, I don't know if it was the same episode, her commenting on why she's suing Ariana Yeah

I mean she essentially said if we're all out to hold each other accountable Then I guess I'm doing the same and this is the same lawsuit that came out kind of a while ago where she was suing Both of them. Yeah Thing and then she said something to the effect of well if she's gonna sue Tom, I guess by default she has to sue Ariana, which yeah, I guess. Like nothing she's technically is saying is wrong. Legally speaking, perhaps. Yeah, I mean, she has every right to feel violated

and upset and hurt, but also. But it's like, well, she's not literally saying it, but she is strongly suggesting that once again She has no problem with ariana being collateral damage to her own Selfish needs and what's interesting about this whole video again like revenge porn is wrong and disgusting and gross But like she's the only one well now we're talking about it But like she keeps bringing up this video that to my knowledge, no one's ever really seen. Has not been released. It's not on the internet.

It's not like it's this video that everyone's seen. She keeps bringing it up. And truly, I don't know, it must be very stressful to find out you're being sued in general for anyone. Just the emotional pain that she is causing Ariana for what? Every time she speaks, it's just like, why? I kind of have a hot take in the sense of like, I don't support Rachel, but I do understand why she can feel hurt or like disempowered by her nudes being distributed without her consent.

Like that's where I kind of like, I think she has a right to feel upset. Totally. She has a right to be upset, but when the distributed, do we even know if that happened, what is the, I we even know if that happened? What is the... I mean, legally, distribution just means to give access to. So we know that Ariana sent it to herself from Sandoval's phone, so that's distribution on one level.

And then I'm sure she showed her friends. Oh, she had to, yeah. Well, you assume. If she showed it to her friends, that would be different than if she sent it to her. That's also giving access to, I believe. I think it still counts. But that's kind of what I'm saying. We're already, like, we're literally getting into the semantics of it. But it's also like, yeah, we're talking about a video that honestly no one has talked about

really ever. Until she did the lawsuit. Until this lawsuit came out about Revengeborn. But do you think maybe she has to, and this is a devil's advocate, like she has to keep talking about it because people are now saying like, people are comparing, like she did a lot of horrible things and people are comparing the fact that she's part of this affair as a way of invalidating

that she can feel like disempowered. I think she has to keep talking about it because she's held prisoner at I Heart. Yeah, I mean, well there you go. I guess it says at the other day, it seems to demonstrate a lack of growth or maturity or, you know, it's. If the whole point of not coming back to Vanderpump

is to protect your mental health and give yourself distance from these people, but yet you're constantly bringing up and you're constantly causing attention to something that you want to go away, just it contradicts itself completely. Yeah, I think I mentioned this when we first started talking about

when it was first got filed, but it reeks of that one episode where again, Rachel made that comment to either Lala or Katie about like, well, I wouldn't leave your man alone with me. And the next day we thought she was gonna wake up and be like, I'm sorry, I got a little drunk. And it turns out she was like, no, fuck you guys for like being mean to me.

And it was very tit for tat. It was very like, well, if you're gonna do this to me, I'm gonna do this to you. So it pretty much feels very similar in that vein that Rachel is just, yeah, but what about me? But what about me? But what about my needs? I mean, at some point, someone's gotta take the high road,

so to speak. And listen, again, if this video was all over the place and somehow it was affecting her mental health, but like where is this, again, she's the only one bringing up the video at this point. I stand by the fact that I'm like, even Ariana showing it to people, I understand that there's technicalities

with distribution or whatever, but my whole thing is that clearly these people are decent human beings, that it didn't end up on a Reddit leaked thread, or you know what I mean? Like that fact that nobody has seen it, it didn't go, like it wasn't these untrustworthy people that are trying to ruin your life.

I think these are people that were trying to support their friend in a shocking turn of events, but like no one was coming after her. Because if they were, they would have released the video. That's a good point. Distribution wasn't done out of harm. Yeah, there wasn't an intent for revenge. Yeah, it was just somebody being like,

hey, this happened to me. What do you think? Because this is fucked up. Well, I think Ariana also talked about it on Sheena's podcast a while back about, like, when she saw the video. It's not like she, like, sat there with her popcorn and watched it. She just, she sent it to herself. And then, like, everything that she did was reactionary of, like, what she was seeing

in that moment and you know it's Sandoval's fault for taking those screenshots or those videos those recordings and Ariana was simply reacting to you know the pain and hurt that she was feeling in that moment of finding out that she was being cheated on with her best friend. Well and she sent the video to Rachel saying what is this? Yeah. So I'm like and now it's, what is this? Yeah, and to Rachel. So I'm like, and now it's being flipped around like it's distribution, and to me I'm like,

what else would she have done? I mean, if that is why she is suing Ariana, that seems so fucked. I mean, I don't know if Ariana sent it to other people, but I do know that I think she sent it to Rachel. Right. And to be like, what is this when she called her? But other than that, it hasn't gone anywhere.

Right, I could be wrong, but as far as I know, the only people she sent it to were maybe herself and to Rachel. It's a spin, like, you know, and I'm just like, the whole thing is if you want to grow from a situation, you have to stop not victimizing, because I don't want to say that her feelings aren't valid. I'm just saying you are creating a buzz around something

that could very easily die. Like, we're all tired of talking about it, you know? aren't valid, I'm just saying you are creating a buzz around something that could very easily die. Like we're all tired of talking about it, you know? What I'm not tired of talking about, because this is honestly so interesting and I kind of agree, Gypsy's leaving Ryan over food hoarding and snoring. Allegedly. I don't really know what food hoarding means. But I can see how that would piss me off.

Why? Food hoarding, I don't know. It sounds yucky. According to sciencedirect.com, food hoarding is an appetite behavior characterized by foraging for food and carrying it from the source to a home or burrow where it is stored for a period of time

before it's consumed. So he's like bringing food to the house and then not eating it. I mean, I do that. Wait, and like not allowing her to eat it perhaps? Oh perhaps? I'm just trying to figure out what the issue would be of I bring my groceries home and sometimes I don't eat them at all. Doesn't it seem bizarre?

Also, apparently Ryan also filed a restraining order against gypsies. The first who knows. So we have the mutual restraining order, which seems to be like a popular thing these days. I hear for some people, it's really hard to get a restraining order. But I don't know, then you hear stories like this

and maybe it's not so hard. What was it Monica that said that she got a restraining order from? I think didn't we ask Monica why she had? Because Tanisha filed one against Monica, but Monica was like, no, no, no, it's the other way around. So then Monica tried filing one against Tanisha

and then the cops were like, this is messy. Like what? You two figured this out amongst yourselves. Yeah, but it does seem like people are able to do this. The whole like, well, if you're gonna do this to me, I'll file one against you. Also the accusation seemed to be going in a weird direction. And what I mean by that is the first alleged accusation

was the accusation from again, Gypsy's inner circle that she was afraid that Ryan might be physical, which again was all conjecture. But now we're like, it's like that didn't land. So now we're going to food hoarding and snoring. She said that she was especially bothered by their shared fridge, which was filled with old food items that needed to be thrown away. This I can relate to.

So that's the horror deal. Sometimes Danny will make food, and then it stays there until I throw it away. And I'm just like, throw it out. Not to call out Nally and I. Oh. Heads are turning. Nally's mom was in town for the birth of River

and stayed with us for six-ish weeks. And then she went home. And she was back home for two,ish weeks. And then she went home. And she was back home for two, three weeks. And because of the opportunity we got from our dear friends at Patrone to take the Valfal's on the road, we blew Dally's mom back.

And when she got there, she opened the fridge and noticed some leftovers that she put in the Tupperware before she had left last time. Oh. Yes, disgusting. What was the leftovers? It was like potatoes and like broccoli.

Nellie and I are not leftover people. We are unfortunately, shamefully, we're wasteful. We are, we don't eat leftovers. It's a disgrace, we acknowledge it. Nellie's mom is always like, well, I'll just put it in the fridge because you might eat it this time. We're like, okay.

Speaking of my mom, Nick so graciously gave her credit in a People Magazine interview over this past weekend. Oh my God, did I say something wrong? No, she was like, it was so nice how he put emphasis on that I am single and retired, but he didn't want to throw in that I'm absolutely stunning in case anyone was curious. Well, that would have been weird for me to be.

She's single, retired, and absolutely beautiful for any single men, eligible men. I didn't hype up your mom enough and people, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, mom. It's okay. Now's your chance. I was gonna say, take your moment. I feel like I've said it on the show,

Natalie's mom is an absolute stunner. She is. Total baby. She's a babe, 10 out of 10. Yeah, just gonna keep it real that it definitely makes me feel better about marrying Natalie. You know, like genes matter.

Like aging gracefully. Yeah, I mean like aging is a byproduct of both your genetic makeup and then how you take care of yourself. You know? I don't think Nellie and I are guaranteed to age gracefully just because our parents have, but it's not a great sign when your parents don't and the fact that they do.

That was always my way to like, oh my God, in a different life, obviously. But it would be like first date and be like, yeah, anyway, so here's a picture of my mom and she's 60, just saying. That should go on dating profile. You wanna go on a second date? Here's a picture of my mom.

You hack the system. That's why there's like family photos and people's like dating profiles. That's why I said, love is blind. They shouldn't meet each other. Until they meet the parents. They shouldn't meet each other's parents before they see each other

and have that potentially influence their decision because it might, you know? Your dad called me to talk about some wedding stuff and he was like, by the way, I'm 67, not 70. Because I was saying, people keep saying, River looks like Nick's 70 year old dad. He was like, by the way. Three years?

Don't age me. Yeah. It counts. Don't steal those three years from him. I was like, I'm way, don't age me. Yeah. It counts. Don't steal those three years from him. I'm so sorry. Oh my gosh. Would you be offended if I didn't have any photos of you in my camera roll?

Absolutely. The amount of times that I have to be like, take a video of me and River right now. Take a picture. Take a picture. I feel like maybe you wouldn't if I didn't say that. That's not true. But yet I still have tons of photos. yet I still have tons of photos of me.

No, you have tons of photos of me. Yeah. Kyle and Amanda though. Amanda doesn't have photos of Kyle. Which, how's that? I understand it. I understand it because if you look at my camera roll, it's just my dog.

Yeah. It's my dog and it's food. So you hate your husband too. Interesting. Is this like, is this something that now and I can come to expect that like as how long you've been married to Danny Almost three years almost three years and Kyle and Amanda like one year one married one year, but I think together five Yeah, they've been together for a while

I've been with my partner for seven years and I will say I don't have the most photos of him But he's also not doing the most for me to photograph when we we go places, for sure, but if you open up my camera roll right now, you'd probably take a little scroll. I'm like, what are we doing that I'm taking photos of you? Maybe it would take a little scroll, you know? Yeah, how many photos do you have of me? How many? I mean, I don't know if I can count right now in this moment, but like...

I was like, if you looked at my camera roll, it's all Coachella, which he was not a part of. Yeah, I'm like, if we go before Coachella, which he was not a part of. If we go before Coachella, I have a lot of pictures of Tyler Cameron holding River. Oh, that's kind of cute. I have a lot of- So other men. It's actually my background. I have this picture of Tyler Cameron as my wallpaper.

I wouldn't worry about it. Not close. Let me see there. Okay, no, from our date night was the last time I have you before Coachella. Our date night. Our date night. How about that? See, and you're doing something cute together,

which makes sense that you would have a photo of. Oh, and then I have this video of, oh, of when you were smoking weed and you were washing your face in the kitchen sink and you were scared that I was gonna post it and put you on blast, but I'm doing it right now. Wait, thoughts on, okay, so it's one thing to not have pictures in the camera roll,

but what about posting? Jill, you must. Not posting. Yeah, no. What do you mean not posting? What do you mean? On Instagram. Like on Instagram, like I looked at Danny's Instagram

the other day, I was scrolling through, I was just like, when's the last time I was on here? How are you a single father? What? Make sense. He posts a lot of like his music stuff, so like that's one, like your Instagram's a lot of vile files. That is true.

Yeah. I was like, my boyfriend's not even on Instagram, but I make sure to like throw him in the feed every once in a while, cause I'm not a single lady, you know? Gotta let them people out there know. Oh my gosh. So I have not been hit on in quite some time.

Yeah. I'm so sorry for you. You know. for you. Thank you. Anyway, so I went to the grocery store last night. Typically, Nick is the grocery store in our runner and our family. But you know what?

No, I didn't know it was going to happen. OK, so anyways, so I get out of the car and I'm in sweatpants and just a T-shirt and this man walks by and he goes Damn, you're comfy and I was like, oh, yeah Chillin, you know, like definitely and then he goes wait a second. You're kind of cute Take my number down and I just went I'm married and I have a kid

Then he was like, oh shit like the look in his face is like, oh my god I'm so sorry, but for me to be like I literally have a child and I'm married almost married That's a flex. So you do you think it was the marriage or the child that scared him? Maybe like I actually have a kid this is the first time I'm hearing about this I was I could have sworn I told you and I got home, but I must have forgot Did you come back with the groceries but I must have forgot. Interesting. Did you come back with the groceries?

Yes, of course. Okay, well there you go. Did it feel good to get hit on? Kind of, but it also kind of creeped me out the way that he was like, take my number down. I'm sure, I mean guys can be creepy. Yeah, it was definitely reminded me of like- That's not the first time a guy said that to you,

I'm sure. And maybe it was just like the way he said it that kind of creeped me out. I think it's the starting in two with the, damn you're comfy and it's like- And also like like you're kind of cute take my number down like cute He was nagging you no you shouldn't have thank you so much kind of cute isn't comfy like an insult to like when someone looks comfy It's like when someone says oh my god. You look so tired Basically, yeah

Yeah, oh my god, are you sick? By the way, how I look in pink today you look good. Thank you. Yeah, I my God, are you sick? No, apparently. Are you feeling okay? By the way, how do I look in pink today? You look good. Thank you. Yeah. I don't like- No dark circles.

It doesn't make me look more tired. He's not accentuating his dark circles. Lindsay rates her sex life with Carl a 2.5 out of 10. Or, brutal. What gives it the.5, I'm curious. Just two. Just being nice. Well, I think the topper was that they just had sex

and she said neither one of them came. And I go, how does that happen? How did neither one? Like I can understand from Lindsay's, but Carl? I guess he was like, all right. I just thought you guys have like a 98% success rate. Sure. The chances for women, 50.

98%, you know. When do you decide when to stop? Like just tired. Yeah, like how long do you go on before you're like, all right, I guess this is not gonna work for either one of us. When do you call it? It's like, all right, let's call it.

It's who gave up first, the person or the appendage. I'll tell you when. You guys know the answer. I actually don't. Don't. When you can't say hard. When you all give us that look, like, oh. Oh.

Like, okay. The ground up. Are you gonna? Is it gonna happen or not? It's like, okay. Like, okay. The grown up. Are you gonna? Is it gonna happen or not? It's like, I got somewhere to be. Honestly, no. You know? When you get that look, like, are you gonna,

are you gonna, when the performance ends and you guys just can't keep it up and you're like, my back, when you can sense the discomfort. It's like, is it the pressure? Like, the oh, I gotta perform. It's like long breaths. Like, ah, all right.

Okay, another position. Sure. Like we can stop. Let's put a pin in it. We'll circle back after dinner. Well sometimes, you start in a weird position, and then there's a lot of acrobatics. What's a weird position?

Yeah. Not a little weird position. Are you doing handstands? What are my positions that are weird? I'll make sure I note it down. Not weird, but like. He's like, yeah, when Natalie gets on her head, it's definitely hard to.

But the hot tub is not necessarily. Hot tub. Oh, good to know, not going in there. I'm like, please, come over for a hot tub night. You mean the sex tub? I'll stay in the cold pool, thank you. Anytime Nick's like, should we hot tub tonight? I'm like, am I in the mood to hot tub,

but also have sex, let me see. Also, it's my, it's, we never talked about this, but having sex after having a baby, it's gonna be a challenge. It is just logistically hard. It is, because it's, you have this little baby and it's an angel, there's that, and she's like, obviously, always by our side, you know? Prior to that, we had Nellie's mom.

The best we could have done would have been like here. We're gonna go into the bedroom. That feels odd, you know? And so we haven't got that comfortable with her mom yet. But it is funny because we did conceive River with my mom in town. That was true. Oh wow. But we didn't have to like, be like, hey, we're gonna.

So you've set boundaries. Yeah. It's just like River, logistically, the spirit is there, but it's like, logistically, we haven't quite cracked that code. But also Scott Disick said that having sex after Courtney had her baby, Mason, I guess, it was the same living room, furniture was just rearranged.

And I thought that was such an interesting, I'm like, my brain is like, what? What do you mean? Like the anatomy, like having sex with her, it was like, it was the same, right? Like same living room. It was just, the couch was up against the window now and the TV was just like a little, you wouldn't say.

No. Normal. What are we talking about here? Are we talking about the whole living room? Are we talking about like- You tell me. One piece of furniture. You tell me.

Like this. I don't know. I'm very confused. I'm like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I'm so sorry, what part of the house are we in? I don't know. What's gonna happen to me? I thought we were in the hot tub.

Which piece of furniture is her vagina? I'm taking it very literally. I'm just like, so did they rent the van? The ottoman. You're like, wait, you got new furniture for your house? No, I'm thinking like, fuck, she's trying to convince me to rearrange the furniture again. I was like, do we need to move?

Now he's obsessed with doing, and like, well, I love our house. We just, we don't, there's not a lot of options for rearranging our house. No, I'm talking about the inside of my vagina. Is the furniture moved around? Not really. Okay, great.

No. Great, that's all I wanted to know. And by not really, I mean no. Okay, great. Yeah. I wasn't like, how am I, some, The walls have collapsed in here. Same but different, you know?

Wow, the paint color is different in here. No. That's an interesting thing for Scott to say about Courtney. It is weird. I would not be happy about that. Sense memory on the tip. I mean, you kind of like, I kind of would have assumed that it would not be the same.

I mean, like, my vagina was 10 centimeters wide and I wasn't really sure. But I was just like, like all times. No, for sure. I'm sure it's different for many people, but to say that out loud in front of- Well, it is God decided. Well, and we can take this out if you want, babe,

because this is literally about your vagina. Okay. Um. That is gonna be the beginning. It's like, it is the widest. But literally right after River was born, Natalie's doctor high-fived me was born, Natalie's doctor, high-fived me.

Oh, Natalie. She said I had a great pelvic floor. Yeah. And I didn't even know what that means, but she said I was a lucky man and then gave me like a fist pump. Wow. That's what is like, that's what makes it tight.

You know, when people have like, they can't like hold their pee, it's because their pelvic floor is like not as... Meek. Yeah, is that why I pee when I sneezed the other day? Uh-oh. No. Maybe.

You know, it's probably because you have a baby pushing against your bladder. Yeah, maybe, maybe. How is, may I ask, how is pregnancy going for you? May I, so far so good, yeah. May I ask, that was so nice, that was polite. Yeah. Thank you for asking.

Her body, her choice. You know, like, period. How was your living room? My living room is real good right now. So I'm like, Oh really? Scared for what you're talking about. No, no, no.

Have you taken a mirror to it? Cause that's what's terrified me. No, I can't see anything. I actually was getting ready for Coachella and I had to call Danny into the bathroom and I was just like, I need you to help me because I can't see anything down there

and I need help. So he helped you to help me because I can't see anything down there and I need help. So he helped you. With what? Shaving? I don't know why I'm asking this question. We're all curious but. Yeah, no I. Just needed some help.

Yeah, absolutely. I wanted to go that route too, but I don't think Nick was very interested. I like, you know, business and pleasure. Yeah. I'll keep it separate, business and pleasure. Yeah. I'll keep it separate. Well, I'm happy to hear that you guys have a great sex life post-baby.

Thank you. But you know who doesn't? Brittany and Jax. Oh my God. Also, Jesse and Michelle. And what's the common theme? Bravo. Terrible husbands.

Terrible men. Terrible. Brittany said that her and Jax have only had sex like twice in the past year, and they're kids too, so what do we think about that? And Britney called herself the old tumbleweed. Oh my god. So she's rolling. She's so funny.

What is a tumbleweed? Like the thing on the freeways that like... No, like westerns. What does a new one look like versus an thing on the freeways that like... No, like westerns. Yeah. Oh, yeah. What does a new one look like versus an old one? Green. In the ground. Yeah, one is like... I guess tumbleweeds are old by default.

I mean, first I'm always ready to rip on Jax, but if she's describing herself as the old tumbleweed... Oh, no, she wants... I think she said she feels like an old tumbleweed. Yeah. Jax makes her feel that way? Yes. Okay. All right. So it's Jax's fault. Well, Jax also said that it like an old time. Yeah, she wants- Yeah, Jax makes her feel that way? Yes. Okay, all right, so it's Jax's fault.

Well, Jax also said that it's lacking in intimacy. He feels like they need to schedule it. Your sex life and marriage kind of take a backseat when you have kids. I'm so sorry. Are you checking your schedule for hot tub time? I'm like, ugh, can't relate. No, Steve, so I'm so sorry to segue, but Steve got fixed.

He got his balls dropped off yesterday. What is today? I don't know, this week. And while I was taking him there, he was obviously very disheveled. He was in the car seat, sitting in River's car seat. He was very scared. It's like he knew.

He was all loopy? No, this was going. This was going. Oh no. Yes, yes. And I was like, he will not, this is going. This is going. Oh, no. Yes, yes. And I was like, he will not do good with a cone on his head. Like this, I just, I can't do that to him. So I ordered him one of those little onesies.

Oh. Yes, but it's also extremely, you have to undo it every time they go outside to use the right. You know, it's a lot of moving parts. Well, apparently he, as Shug said, who is our lovely, lovely friend and nanny, she said that he sold himself. And so-

Soiled. She was like, what can I put on him? Like his onesies like covered in pee. And I was like, oh my God. I'm like, do we have any clothes? I'm like, maybe Nick's underwear. I don't know. Like, is there anything we can put?

And then she just took a picture. River's diaper? She put a diaper on. I'm like, wait, that's actually genius. Kind of adorable. And she cut a hole. And she cut a hole. Awww.

Yes. That's so cute. You have to get him the cones that are like pillows. Like it blows up with air so then they like it. Like that's the solution. Because then they'll like lay down with it instead of having this like plastic. Wait I had no idea that was a thing. Yeah big dogs love them. Big dogs love them? Okay well adding that to my cart. Why is Courtney Love talking

all this shit about everyone? She's talking shit about Taylor Swift. Courtney Love formerly married to Kurt Cobain. Do you even know who Courtney Love is, babe? I feel like I do. Hmm, do you? Of course I do. Okay, do you, Justin? No clue.

Oh my God. Leia? Really? And your husband's in the music industry. You don't know who Courtney Love is? I know who Kurt Cobain is. Well, I've heard her name. I know who Kurt Cobain is for sure. I've heard her name, I just don't.

Courtney Love was Kurt Cobain's wife. Yeah I've heard her name. I know who Kurt Cobain is for sure. I've heard her name, I just don't. Courtney Love was Kurt Cobain's wife. She is an actor. She was a... She's a musician. Sure, yeah. What does it? Anyway, according to her, Taylor is not important. Okay.

To her or? She just says Taylor is not important. Also, I saw a stat that 17% of the population will vote for whoever Taylor Swift says they're gonna vote. For the elections? For the election. I believe that.

Taylor Swift would win if she ran for president. Which that seems pretty important. No, she said she might be. So that's just like factually inaccurate. She's important to a lot of people. She said she's not interesting as an artist, which is definitely a personal opinion, and definitely something she should have kept to herself.

But also she says in the same quote that she's probably the Madonna of now and Madonna is an icon. Madonna is an icon. No, she says she's probably the Madonna of now. She's begrudgingly like, I mean, she's probably. But even that is an epic comparison. Oh yeah, I know. I wish I was a Madonna of my time.

Probably. She's talking shit about both of them at the same time. Yeah. Now every successful woman is cloned, so there is just too much music. They're all the same. Talking about Taylor, Beyonce, and Lana Del Rey. I feel like those are very different artists.

Couldn't be more so. Also all incredible artists. Also, yeah. Who I love so much. Yeah. So, I don't know. I feel bad because I'm sure the Swifties will be after Miss Courtney Love.

Yeah, she must have known that this was gonna happen though. Yeah, I mean, it seems like she did it on purpose. No, we are talking about, it's the first time we've ever talked about Courtney Love on this show. Well, it's the first time I've talked about Courtney Love. It's the first time. In my life, yeah. No one's ever heard of the name.

So there you go. One thing we haven't even talked about yet, which we kind of thought we were going to last Reality Recap, and actually we'll get into it more next week on Reality Recap, because one of our very special guests is gonna be returning the show, Kate Arthur of Variety, who is very deep in Housewives, specifically the Housewives of Salt Lake City.

But the response to the monogat episode has been fascinating. We have received so many bizarre messages from the people of Salt Lake City, but the response to the Monica episode has been fascinating. We have received so many bizarre messages from the people of Salt Lake. We won't even get into who and why and how and what people are sending us, but it's like we activated the city of Salt Lake City. Like bad stuff, good stuff, or all over the board stuff. There's a lot of it was people trying,

all over the board. Some of it was people trying to let us know that they think Monica's still lying. I don't know what your all takeaways were. I don't know if I totally believe everything Monica said. It's like, I will say her casting story's still a bit fishy. You know, and the one I'm talking about is when she basically alleged

that she had told these two random casting producers that she was in fact involved with Reality Von Teese and then somehow coincidentally those two casting producers just like fell off the face of this earth while also not sharing that bit of information and yet somehow they did pass Monica's information along to whoever would have eventually casted her. That doesn't quite track. I just assumed that the cease and the assist that she talked about, that was public record that I, that was from. Jailbird with Jensha. A bit of a smoking gun, you know, in terms of like, you know, here are all

of these nosy ladies are, especially the women of Salt Lake City seem like they're really very good at receipts timeline like sleuthing, investigating, getting up in each other's shit. And it's just like, here's this public document. They talk about how they're so triggered about who about from reality Von Tese, you would think that all these women would try to figure out who in fact is, and then you have this public record. I think Kate Arthur, who is gonna be on, on Reality Recap has some things to say about that.

But I guess my big takeaway is, I don't know if I believe everything Monica said, but I don't think everything she says is a lie. And like, is she that less believable than any of these other women on this show? Like, I don't know. Like most of these women's personas are manufactured to present themselves to the public in a certain way

and they have their skeletons in the closet that they would like to keep. And usually by season two, season three, these things come out. But I'm like, Monica was one of the first housewives I've ever seen that was like her first season was like, hey, by the way, ex-community in the church, I cheated with my brother-in-law and it was just like,

whoa, usually we have to uncover this stuff two years later. So I was like, she's also very forthcoming, in my opinion. Yeah, and who knows? I don't know. Like, I wouldn't necessarily put my life on the line to say that Monica is the beacon of truth. Maybe she told her version of the truth, or maybe she's lying through her teeth, I don't know.

But yeah, I will say say after sitting down with Monica, I'd be curious to see what these other ladies say, but I guess my biggest takeaway is Bravo fucked up and she should be on next season. For sure, 100%. If nothing else, excellent television. Amazing. Amazing television.

She's very compelling. She's really sweet too, like in person. She was very sweet. She was very sweet. And she had an answer for, I mean, you mentioned this. She's really sweet too, like in person. She was very sweet. She was very, yeah. And she had an answer for, I mean, you mentioned this, she had an answer for everything. And the one cast, again, other than the casting one, that was a bit, that was bull, that seemed like bullshit.

You think so? Are we gonna debate it on Rowdy Recap? Yeah, we'll debate it more with Kate. But I mean, yeah, I mean, it's possible. It's possible, but likely, it doesn't, it seems like she kind of made up that answer. Crystal Minkoff is no longer gonna be at the real house. We're getting information on the real house of Beverly Hills.

Yes. Crystal. Okay, so it's confirmed Crystal's leaving. So it's Anne Marie and Crystal. Anne Marie was fired, Crystal left on her own. So who's replacing both of them? Is it confirmed she left on her own? I don't know that it is. I don't think she did. and Crystal was like, I'll gladly take the time to myself. I'm pretty sure she made a statement on her social media. She wanted to focus on her family and her children.

It was bittersweet is what she said. But that doesn't mean she didn't leave it on her card, does it? Well, insiders are saying that they don't want her back because they don't want her to be a victim. And that's what she said. And that's what she said. And that's what she said. And that's what she was bittersweet is what she said. But that doesn't mean she didn't leave it on her card does it? Well insiders are saying that they they don't want her back because they feel

she has done all she can do on the show and she no longer has much to add to the drama so another contract has not been offered. So we have that on that side and then we have Crystal's side too. Yeah but it's not like an Anne Marie exit where she had a whole essay. So Anne Marie is now fighting like a Crystal mink off parody account She doesn't realize it was not crystal she was like tweeting at a fake crystal account think it was crystal Which is kind of amazing

She not only tweeted though, she blocked the account. She took it personal. Yeah. Who do we think, is Kathy Hilton going to come back? I think she needs to. Kathy, Teddy, and Denise haven't teased. And Kim. Yeah. So I think all of the sisters are going to make a reunion. Denise might do it, and I think Teddy, unfortunately, will be coming. It would save the show.

Why Teddy, unfortunately? Like I love Teddy as a person, but, will be coming. It would save the show. Why Teddy, unfortunately? Like I love Teddy as a person, but I don't think she brought much to the cast, besides being a friend. I'm with you too. Or it was like the drama was just unnecessary. Like she was almost too sweet, but then she would, she kind of had this angle

where she was like, she's like a life advice coach or something. So she was like, I'm very transparent. Like I speak my truth, but then she did the opposite. I think it needs to be Denise. Yeah, I agree. Did you see April's comment under Teresa's post? I speak my truth, but then she did the opposite. I think it needs to be Denise. I agree. Did you see April's comment under Teresa's post?

I did. Is wild. Like, I, we had April on. We did. She was very vocal. I honestly feel like- You could tell she hated Gary then. You absolutely could.

I feel like we could text her and be like, babe, please tell us, tell us everything. She commented and said, I wish you the very best. I truly tried to tell you, but this was your lesson to experience. Much love. Oh, this was your lesson. She fucking hates Teresa and Gary.

Like I wonder what that means. I truly tried to tell you, tried to tell you what? That he was like- Not to marry Gary. Yeah. When? Like I guess after the show. I think April knew Gary was a creep from the get. You think she just came on for the plot?

I mean, I think she came on for the experience, like they all did, and then she met Gary and was like, no. Maybe not. Yeah. Yeah, that tracks. I can see that. It is interesting how quickly this marriage lasted.

Ended. Dissolved, yeah. Ended. It was like lasting. Dissolved, yeah. It was like lasting. Yeah. Oh, what about the pregnant Jenna Dewan seeking millions from ex-Shannan Tatum's magic mic income?

Yeah, Jenna Dewan, they've been divorced for how long? A long time, because he's been with Jessie J. She's been, she's remarried as a kid. No, he's been with. He was with Jessie, I mean. They've been divorced that long. He had a long relationship with I think Jessie J. The singer. He's now.

Kravitz. Yeah. Oh, yeah what in your mind? He's now engaged to Kravitz, we'll just call her Kravitz. Did him and Jessie have a kid together? Zoe. Zoe Kravitz. Zoe Kravitz. I don't believe he had a kid with Jessie J.

Jenna Dewan is remarried and has a kid with her new husband. Right. But she wants that Magic Mike money. It came out during their marriage. It should be considered community in character. How much did he make from that? Lots. Millions.

And they did the Vegas show. He made a fortune. Yeah. To his Magic Mike empire, because I think he was like an executive producer, like co-creator. I kind of want to re-watch that. And they did three movies, right?

They did three movies. According to Forbes, Channing made $60 million in earnings between June 2012 and June 2013, mostly thanks to Magic Mike. So it's just one year. That was just one movie. Yeah.

So she's claiming because they were together at the time, but does she have stake in the movie? No. But she helped generate that money. I guess she supported him while he was, you know, she stayed home with her kids. She's like, yeah, good job. I don't know. I mean, I might have a hot take, but I'm like, A, if you didn't ask for that in divorce filings

and whatnot, how are we coming back years later asking for a piece of that pie? Yeah, how is this coming out just now? Did she like just Google? I don't know. I also had something about- Like, Janine Tatum's net worth. Fuck! Yeah.

It does seem odd, but you can sue anyone at any time. So I guess there is that, you know? Sure. Or maybe it hasn't been settled. Sometimes the court systems take a long time. Part of what it is is Jenna's legal team is claiming that Channing created a complex web of LLC's holding companies and partnerships to dilute the earnings. Like they fail to disclose.

So she's basically retroactively being like, they didn't report it properly. Is what it is. Probably cause he was like, I don't want to give this person any money that I made. I mean, I guess, but like if he didn't disclose it and she's like, wait, what the fuck? Like you made this much money you didn't tell me. And again, are we going through the accounting years later? Why? As Sutton said, you need to get yourself like an analyst when you do the divorce.

She had a word for it. There's like a word for the title of someone that goes through all the finances and like investigates it so you don't run into this later. So then she should write a book about like how to get divorced. She should. And she did it successfully. What is she getting? She's getting what, a million dollars a month or some shit? 300K a month or something like that.

After taxes, she says. So that's like 600,000. Yeah, she really needs to write. She needs to like start like a consulting business on like, I can help you. Divorces. Look what I can do for you. And she did that.

It's also like Ariana going through and like itemizing the furniture and everything. I'm like- It makes sense for the future. For us a clean break. I mean, that makes sense, but I feel like after the fact is a little, a little questionable. So are we team Shaning or team Jenna? Team the truth.

By default of not knowing, yes, by not knowing enough details. You guys are no fun. At the moment I'll say team Channing because I don't know the internet. You know the truth is you all want to say Channing, you're afraid to say it. I just said it. Well, yeah. Like does she need the money?

Like if she needs the money then yeah, right? Does she though? I don't know. I mean that's all relative. That's true. She's just like, well I want some of that millions. So do I. I'm guessing she's crushing life.

She seems like she's thriving, but if he means 60 million in one year I don't know how much she's asking for but I feel like he gave her five. It wasn't really hurt his bank account Right like they it must be they gotta go to court for this like can you just settle it out of court? Just like listen, I'll give you five million if you shut up and I would be like Do they have children? Settle it out of court. Just be like, listen, I'll give you five million if you shut up. And I would be like, oh my God, five million. Okay, that's great. Do they have children? They have one daughter together. Give it to the daughter.

Yeah, just give it all to the daughter. Give her a college fine. I'm sure. Shaning's like, you know what? I got her. She's good, you know? And I'm sure he pays child support. Yeah.

Oh yeah. So, and I don't think Jenna is, this is about Jenna wanting the money. He's like, fine, I'll give it to her daughter. She's like, oh, wait a second. Say no, no, no. She's not old enough. Yeah.

I'll hold it until she can have it. All right, well that about wraps it up. Coming up next week, we got an incredible episode of Ask Nick. We got Joy Bryant and, like I said, Kate Arthur from Variety to help us break down reality recap. And then going deeper, another fantastic guest I can't wait to share with you all. It's going to be wild.

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Welcome to me. Thank you for having me. Thank you for coming. How have you been? Amazing. Thank you for having me. Thank you for coming. How you been? Amazing. Celebrating life every day of the week.

You look stunning. Thank you, darling. It does. It's the lashes, it's like double, triple eyelashes, darling. Double, triple. Now that I got no hair, I gotta make sure I look like a bitch. I'm like, I am a girl.

She's a girl, okay? Well, I've seen hair. You look like, are you keeping it short or are you growing it out? You get the exclusive that I am keeping it this way. Listen to me, when I did the calculations on how much time and money I spent on the hair, wigs and all that crap, and then I showed it to Russell, Russell was like, oh yeah, no, no, no, we're going to board that mission. I love you just the way you are.

I love you. You're beautiful, you're kind. You're special. And so yeah, we're keeping it. It's official. I love it. Are you used to it right now? 100%, when I wear a wig now, it's like, I feel like shit. What is this?

Like I was bald already when I was doing the end part of the confessionals. And so I had to put back a wig to like, based on the timeline. And I swear Russell like would freak out and my kids too. So it's like, yeah. And now it's like part of our foreplay. I mean.

Yes. Okay. A little head rub, you know, won't hurt anybody. Yes. New kinks. There you go. You build them as you go. 28 years later, we better come up with new ones.

Yeah. And don't mind the fan by the way, I get hot flashes. Okay. So we don't mind. It's all part of my journey. I like to call it. This is post chemo, uh, surgical menopause kinks. The fan is a new king too.

And if, if, if I can ask where are we on the journey? I mean, how, how has treatment been going? I know these things obviously can be hard to talk about, so we appreciate you just opening up in general, but where are you in your health journey? What's the prognosis? How are you feeling? Listen, you have to laugh at it at the end of the day,

to be honest, and you make jokes and light about it. I'm at the end of the tunnel. We saw the light and we're in the light now. And so we're shining bright and I'm done with all the treatments. I'm cancer-free, which is amazing. Yay, we love. And I had my six months mammogram ultrasound

and that came out cancer-free again. So it's a six month process. Every six months I get tested. And so it's literally holding your breath, but I don't live by the six month benchmark. I live every day like it's the best day ever. And that's how you have to do it. That's incredible.

Um, what have you learned about yourself while going through this obviously very difficult process, cause I'm sure there's, there must've been a lot of self reflection throughout this period. Yeah. There was a lot of lonely dark times in that bed during the chemo for sure. Um, but you know, I learned to really appreciate myself and the people around me and learned to trim my tribe, by the way, because you know, your tribe is your vibe. And so I realized a lot of shit was not serving me

and you got a release, but no longer serves you. So that's what I did. And I'm really selfish now. So I'm a selfish bitch. I'm like, no, learn how to say no, no, thank you, but no thank you. That'll be a no for you. See you later.

So yeah, it is what it is and it ain't what it ain't. That's amazing. How has it affected your relationship with your husband? In the best way. So now, I've been rea... We're high school sweethearts. We've been together for 28 years in total, married 22. I thought I knew this man like the back of my hand. When I got diagnosed with cancer,

a new man showed up that I didn't even know that I needed. And he stepped up to a level that is almost godly, to be honest, and I just don't even have the words to describe it till this day. I don't even know how to put it into words. And I'm more in love with him now than I've ever been before. I find him hotter now. Like everything that he did without even me uttering a word, I'm like, damn, that's my man. When he walks in the door, I'm like, I would. And I still would. And I do.

And I, it's intense. Our love is very weird and intense. I know you talked a lot about at the reunion about the importance obviously of being, getting screened, especially when it comes to women of color. Obviously that was a big focus on the awareness behind that and how many women don't do proper screening. In addition to that, what can you share

of anything you learned as someone who is surviving this diagnosis? Advice to any women out there, or especially women who have been diagnosed with breast cancer, who are looking to you or anyone for any types of inspiration, or just even maybe like tips or tricks. You know, like, Nellie and I just had a baby

and we're looking about like, what's out there? What's good information? What did you find helpful? What did you find not so helpful as you kind of went into this process? Well, to be honest, I felt like going through all this journey, I decided to do it on my own

and not look left or right for other people's advices. So one thing I actually try to pipe down is opinions. So I honestly kind of like took a step back for like my mom, oh, you gotta drink this tea, this tea cures cancer. I'm like, bitch, if it cures cancer, your ass would be a billionaire. So please step back and stand down, soldier. Like it was really honestly for me, like I had to do this on my own and in my own

terms, and I grasp what I wanted from different routes. Right. So that's the first thing. Secondly, is that one thing with cancer that people act like it's like, you have the plague and like people go into hiding. So you won't even know, but in this building alone, there's probably five people who have cancer or going through treatment and they show in, they come in and out of consciousness,

is what I like to call it. And so for me to share this was a big deal. I knew it was a big deal. I made the conscious decision to do it because no one else did it before. And I'm like, this timing, why is cancer happening now? Why is it happening right before, right when I'm about to start filming?

Everything about it was kind of like pointing to, you are being tapped on the shoulder to do this. And I couldn about to start filming. Everything about it was kind of like pointing to you are being tapped on the shoulder to do this. And I couldn't deny that. And I just did it. And Russell stood by me with it. And I don't regret a thing. I think that this is actually a great thing.

We are saving lives every single minute of the day. The DMs that I get are literally like, I was never going to go because I'm scared. And I went and I was diagnosed and now I'm getting treatment, but thank God it's caught early because of you. I'm counting. We were at 300 when the reunion filmed. I'm at 403 right now. So bitch is busy.

So did you find a lump? Did you feel a lump or did you just get screened? I was going all the time. So seven years going into screenings all the time. So this was my annual. I went in and they saw density, calcification, let's do an MRI, let's do an ultrasound, all that stuff and the next thing you know,

it was two tumors, one non-invasive and then the second one was the invasive one hiding behind the non-invasive one. So it was only when I did my MRI that they found it and they were like, thank God we saw it because the invasive one was the problem. So I'm very, very lucky. You were going in for six years, just getting screened.

I feel like that's extremely rare. Like women, for some reason we just, we don't do it. So what? I am 46, so I was 40 when I went. Yeah. But you have to go even earlier now, now that it's detecting that it's getting, you know, sooner and sooner. Something is not right in the world and we need to figure out what it is.

Is it in the water? Is it the chemicals that we put in our hair? Is it what we're eating? Is it what we're breathing? So I've been dabbling and dabbling on all that and honestly now I'm in a whole entrepreneurial track and I have partnered with a water company, honestly, which is alkaline hydrogen water.

See, it's the top of the line because I'm like, if my body's gonna be made up of almost of all water, I want to make sure I'm bringing, you know, drinking the best for sure. So yeah. You're 46. I'm fucking 46. Damn. Well, you know what they say about like, don't cry.

And my mom is like, she had seven children, I'm number six of seven. And that lady looks good. So yes. And the water that drink doesn't hurt you. It's in the water. Can we talk about Larsa? Sure, why not? We could talk about anything and everybody, if you want to talk to me.

Love, love. So, obviously you two were pretty tight. We were friends. Yeah, are we still friends? We'll see. The future looks bright, right? We hugged it out at the reunion. Like where are we today?

Today, we're decent. There's no bad blood at all. I have to- Really? Cause at the reunion I was like- Yeah, that was intense, right? Made me hate her for you. No.

If I were you, I would, you know. Well, did you see the last reunion part three is where we literally like, we're trying to start fresh. You know, and I said to her when she says, hey, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I said, you know, it's show and tell at this point. You have to show me who you are. And because the person I thought you were

was not in my circle of trust type of person. So right now we're starting fresh. We'll see what happens. I'm the kind of person, I'm a loving, not a fighter. But when I start fighting, I will fucking, you know, blow up the spot. So I'd like to be on the nice, girthy side and listen to the angel on the shoulder.

Yeah, but I mean, I would have been really pissed if, not only did she go around telling everyone about your diagnosis, and then she played dumb when you confronted her at the reunion, she acted like she was the victim because she didn't call TMZ and tell them about your diagnosis or spread it all over the internet. I mean, it must be frustrating to have gone through something

so personal and so scary and not know what's in store for you needing your support system more than ever. And to have someone you think is a friend, make that moment about them and victimize themselves and then accuse you of weaponizing your own cancer diagnosis. I mean, it's intense. Yeah. Listen, we can't take back what happened. It's all out there. It's, it's, it is what it is. And what I told her at the reunion is that, you know, that, my journey was hard already and you made it harder. And I meant it and it is what it is. It's a fact. I went into deciding to share my journey

because I wanted to then maybe show how it is. Cause I never saw it on screen ever. I'm looking for pictures of black people and radiation burns. How does it look? Is it that bad? I can't find that one picture. So I said to myself, if 42% black people are dying more than the counterpart, I need to be the beacon

of hope to show that, hey guys, stop hiding. This is what it is. It's okay. You can come out of this alive and healthy. I wanted to share my real life story. I didn't want to storyline my life. So that's the blind spot that I didn't see coming. Literally was like, you see my face at this luncheon that we're having and where we're trying to like make things right. And she's like, don't start crying. And I'm like, wait, we're trying to make things right.

Are you telling me what to, what, what? And it goes off course from there. So it is what it is. What happened happened. Unfortunately for her, you know, there's, you know, it's all on tape, right? And nothing was edited to make anybody look a certain way. But I think that where we are today is that, you know, we have to grow from this.

We can't stay stuck in the shit. You know what I mean? I don't like to sit in my shit and I want to move forward and greener pastures. So for me, it's kind of like, show me who you are. If you're not the person that I see you as, show me who you are then. And hopefully, it's for the better.

Who do you think she is today? Like, how would you, if you were to describe Larsa's character, how would you describe it? Well, I think that, you know, there's a lot of history with her and her past, I think, that maybe she's trying to redeem these days, you know? And so, you know, and she met Marcus, and the two of them have a history from the,

just the family names alone. So she's got her own thing to worry about. And I got my own thing to worry about. So let's just do you boo boo. But you can answer the question. What is the question? How would you describe Larsa's character? Her character?

Yeah. I think that Larsa is a very sensitive person, very sensitive. And I think that she holds on to the she plays Checkers, you know when she should be playing chess. That's how I'll say it And so holding on to the little BS thing is I think preventing her from seeing The end goal and it's it's it's just kind of like she's throwing her own Breaks on the road when she's she could be much bigger.

What do you think are some character traits she needs to work on to have? Listening. I tell her that all the time by the way so she knows this. I'm always like listen if you listen to me you heard me say don't tell anybody I only told you you're the fourth person to know and in confidence and that's definitely I think something that she should work on. I mean we all have a little you know TBD list of I think, something that she should work on. I mean, we all have our little TBD list, all right, of things that we can do better. Do you actually think she's capable of being the friend you need her to be

so that you can have the actual, like, the type of friendship you thought you had? Not everybody is gonna be your best friend, and you'd have to realize that, that you don't need people to like you. You don't need to be everybody's friend. But she was, it seemed like. We were friends and friendly, not so much best friends.

I think that, you know, two things together, editing, you know, and by the way, we're all friends in the cast, right? We're all friends in the cast. There's different gradients. Like me and Nicole, that's my sister. Kiki is my girl. Like, you know, we have different grades and levels of friendship. Larsa and I were getting close, you know why?

Because if you don't... I think you guys forgot that actually, season three reunion, she was mad at Lisa for not sticking up for her when she was arguing with Adriana. She was mad at Alexia and Marisol for some little things that they said behind closed doors at the reunion. So she really looked around and said, okay, well, let me try Gertie as a friend. And that's how our relationship started. And so then

when she got back close with the other girls, I think is when it was kind of like our relationship kind of fizzled a little bit and then came who's the fakest of them all. By the way, it was a page six live podcast in New York. It was literally a fires like chat. It was a quick questions. Who is the fake? Who's the fake is the keyword here is fake est, E S T. I have big boobs. We're all a little fake bitch. And I don't care who knows it. But when they say fake, it's going to have to remember like,

you know, before and after. And it is what it was. It was nothing to it. Next question. And he just dragged on for way too long. And that's what I'm saying about checkers versus chess. It's like, girl, let's move on. Bigger fish or fry. Marcus, her, how was your boyfriend?

Boyfriend. Okay. They were broken up a week ago on, so headlines said. A couple of weeks ago. And then they were back together. Or during the Super Bowl halftime show. That's a fascinating relationship.

I, uh, well, how do you, what do you make of it? Fascinating. You don't think so? Fascinating. It's an interesting relationship, obviously, because of the dynamics and the history with the family name. It sucks, by the way, because my husband is the number one Michael Jordan fan. Like, when I tell you that man has like 60 pairs of Michael Jordan. I'm number two if he's number one Michael Jordan fan. Like when I tell you that man has like 60 pairs of Michael Jordan. I'm number two if he's number one. Right?

There you go. So Russell is still rocking to this day. Every day is like a different pair, whatever. Like we love Michael Jordan and we love Scottie Pippen, the history, the bulls, and it sucks that, you know, there's the fizzle to this friendship because they're both great men. And now when you hear the word Jordan

and when you hear the word Pippin, it's not really the first thing that goes to, no longer the players, it's like the people that they're family with. I just, you know, just respect the last names is all I'm saying. Like, you know, let's keep the legacy going. Yeah, I definitely feel like I think of Marissa Pippin more

whenever I hear Pippen. Do you think Marcus is doing a good job of keeping the legacy going? It's like, listen, I came from reality TV. You're on reality TV. I'm not knocking it, but like Michael Jordan's son could have been anything. Big pressure, man. But all he wants to do is be a housewife's boyfriend. It seems like it seems desperate. He wanted to be a part of the reunion so bad. I just, you know.

He said, put me out there, give me a chair. He did. I just, aim higher, Marcus, you know. He said, I'm gonna talk from the green room. Put a camera on me. Put a camera on me. And just like, again, like I'm sure Lars Sarek has probably wonderful qualities, but just like of all the people

you could be in a relationship with, dating the ex of your dad's former teammate, it just, it seems messier than it needs or should be. And then their relationship, Marcus and Larsa's relationship in itself seems really messy. I just, I don't know, I'm just curious, as someone who kind of has a front row seat to that relationship, what do you make of it?

One thing that I will never do is say, they shouldn't be together because of X, Y, and Z, because guess what? Somebody may look at me and also saying, oh, this black girl shouldn't be with this white guy. So I base everything on that note, where if you like it, I fucking love it for you. That's what it is.

And love is love, no matter how you look at it. If you look at it from that perspective, I don't care what the relationship kinks are, if they really love each other, they're gonna be together and you gotta respect that grind. That's it. Do you think there's real love there? Oh, you should see them together.

I definitely think that they have love for each other. There's love there. So you support them. I support love and I think that that that's what they're doing. And at the reunion, all I wanted to say is just acknowledge that it's just awkward. One thing I don't want is people to pretend that everything's fine and what are you guys bitching about

or talking about? We're talking about it because it's awkward. Just say, yeah, you know what, we are struggling because Michael Jordan doesn't wanna really meet me. And we're going through those kinks, like be real and be raw. If you're that, I think actually, if Larsa were to say, damn guys,

let me take what I'm dealing with. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. But the love is so real and hard that we're still fighting for that. People will be like, but no. Michael won't meet her? No, I don't know.

I'm just saying, like, apparently there was a whole thing with like, you know, did he meet, does he approve of her? Have they met before? And she said, no. But the fact is that if she acknowledges that she's going through things like every other person in the world, I think she'll be more relatable that way.

So, you know, I want that for her, but it's when you try to act like everything's fine and everything's perfect and why is everybody asking, like, let's not do that. Or the deflecting. And then you're on a platform where you're supposed to share. So please share.

Yeah, right? What do you think? I think you're being a little cagey. I'm being real. I agree with you. Cause I'm like, I think she has an issue with deflecting. So it's like, instead of just like, when something gets presented to her,

instead of being like, yeah, that is going on in my life. And this is how I feel about that. She goes, absolutely not, not true. And also three years ago, you, and you're like, well, that is going on in my life and this is how I feel about that. She goes absolutely not not true And also three years ago you and you're like, well, that's not relevant And it would be so much more relatable if you just were honest. There you go. Boom. I have a question for you too with everything Going on this year because I can't remember if it was an earlier episode, but there was a backyard party And I think you just recently been diagnosed and you excused yourself from

all of the drama. It was like between Lisa and Alexia. Was it tough for you while going through everything that you're going through and trying to like candle your health and everything like being around that type of energy? Like, did you find it difficult to film or to know because it was kind of escapism from the doctor's appointment, from the treatments, from the MRIs, all that stuff. So for me, it was like, oh my god, wait, wait, there's a party we're filming.

I'm there. Right. I wanted to have that normalcy. And the problem, I guess, for me is that I don't lead with, like, hey, guys, I'm Debbie Downer here, and I'm going to have surgery tomorrow. And that's where people think I'm weaponizing, because I'm trying to walk in to say, I think about it tomorrow. Right. So I had just found out on the ride over to

that party, which was Mary Saul's on luncheon that I was going to need a second surgery. This is like four days after my first surgery. Right. So I'm like, okay, okay, let me just do shelf it. And then when I walk in and then you have Lisa walking in and she's ready, she literally says I'm walking in here and I still have a vendetta against this person and that person. She's walking, stomping into fight. And I'm kind of like, you're still on the West Palm beach argument trip, girl, bye. Like stop. And then I just blew it and I had an emotional reaction because I'm like, perspective, appreciate where you are in life right now, appreciate your health. And that's where my mindset was.

So when people are like, every time she's arguing with someone and she just blows out a declaration of what's going on with her and like a, you know, dun, dun, dun. And it's kind of like, yeah, cause I was not being selfish.

But next time I'll be more than happy to walk in and tell you all the bad, sad things I'm going through and ruin your party. Come on now. So yeah, you all guys want me to do that? You wanna know what happened? Okay.

I just had a hysterectomy two weeks ago and I can't have sex for eight weeks. Oh no. And that's the truth. Really? Well, poor Russell. I mean, listen, I'm healing from the inside out. Okay. So mama's working here.

Girl same. But you know, we're working still with our hands and our mouth. We've got lots of other parts. If you want me to be so candid, Nick. Me and you both. See? It's like whether you have a baby two, five weeks ago or hysterectomy.

This man just won't stop, you know? So one stop can't stop. Do you have a favorite Housewife series behind, besides Miami that you watch or do you watch? Another franchise? Yeah, do you watch another franchise? I love, well, they all go into... I'm gonna call them... I'm gonna call it

in and out of consciousness, right? Beverly Hills was that shit, was that bitch, a while ago, especially with the Kim in it. Because it's Kim and Cal. I think that when Kathy's around, I think Cal becomes more subdued, because she's like, big brother's watching type of thing, because Kathy don't play that. And I love her by the way. And her purse. I love her and her purse. Her purse needs its own zip code. But yeah, Beverly Hills,

I think is amazing. New Jersey, it's binge worthy, but it's so toxic. So here's the thing. People like Housewives because they try to escape. It's like want to see the lifestyle, the outfits, that this and that. And then they want the arguments, but it's kind of like, Oh shit, I just went, I just got into that argument just two minutes ago with my own family. So once it goes too deep into like toxicity, I like to call it dark and toxic. Like then it's like, okay, this is too real and in my household already that I can't watch this anymore.

So, I don't know, I'm excited to see how it's gonna play out next season and how they have these two, Melissa and Teresa, literally not filming in the same room and having two shows in one. Bogo, baby, but I won't get one free. Okay. Did you follow the Salt Lake City drama? I did. I did. I mean, everyone was making such a big deal,

like the world stopped for two minutes, and I was kind of like, okay. You, everyone was making such a big deal, like the world stopped for two minutes and I was kind of like, okay. You didn't think it was a big deal? It's a big deal of the betrayal and stuff, but like, I don't know how to explain it. I just saw, I wasn't like, oh my God. Like it was kind of like, oh shit. Okay. Next. The fan account. Would you want to film with someone like Monica? Yeah, no, it's all about betrayal of trust because there is a bond,

whether you like your girlfriends or not, there's something to be said with people sharing like, oh, I was recording our conversation here. Press the button. There's a trust barrier that we should not pass. And this was up to the ceiling at this point. It was, you know, on the rector scale, all scale, right? So I think that Monica did something that was shot for shock value, was like, Oh my God, is he right? No. Does she know it's right? I hope so. And now it's like, five, six girls don't want to film with you. What you're going to do, right? So let's put like, like Nandy said, she's on pause. She's great TV. Great TV. It was a great, yeah. Yes.

She carried the season. Yep. But then when you go like this so fast, so, so furious, then it's like, okay, next season, what else do you have? So it's like a bag of tricks. And then are you staying authentic to yourself? That's why I rather say nice and evil kill and be truthful and tell my story the way I have to them. Like, well, here, here's a fan.

Here, woo, woo. Um, here, like you can't tap dance honey all day. So, you know, I like a waltz. Okay, slow and steady. I'm a ballroom, you know my story, I was gonna be a ballroom dancer before I met Russell. Really? And then he had me at hello, fucker.

And then I- He made you give up dancing? No, I mean his other thing made me give up dancing. I mean, listen, he had me at hello. Russell and I are, again, we're freaks, like in a sense of like, we're not normal. Like we telepathically right now, I'm thinking something. Russell knows what I've just sent him,

grocery store by two gallons of milk. That's how crazy we are together forever type of deal. But yeah, he had me at hello and I just stayed in Miami. And so- I love your relationship so much. I'm dancing with the stars and you never know. I may just redeem my career You and she not trying to get on Dancing with the Stars And I definitely have the I think you'd have a great story for Dancing with the Stars

You've certainly overcome a lot, that's for sure. Oh, yeah, for sure. So, we have a lot to dance about. What do you anticipate being your storyline next season? I don't plan them because it's supposed to be reality. Sure, but you don't have any? What it is, it's like, what are you working on now? And that ends up being your storyline. So if you say, what am I working on now?

So what are you working on now? OK, well, I mean, my water, Miami alkaline water. I'm also working on my event career is kicking back up. I'm actually doing Nicole's baby shower next week, which we're doing an online series for. So Bravo's going to be partnering up with us. It's not going to be on TV, but we're doing something digital. And so we're going to do that and some other things.

You didn't want to plan our wedding? Are you putting me on the spot right now? Is this an exclusive? Let me... I'm putting that tie. Is it a destination wedding or is it a Cali wedding? It's a destination. It's closer to you.

It's in Georgia. I love Georgia to you. It's in Georgia. I love Georgia. Georgia on my mind. Yes. Sorry Candace, sorry. I'm gonna take your shtick. Well, you never know. That's what I say in life, you never know.

What are your- Wait, by the way, exclusive. Tell me. Thank God I didn't do Lindsay and call this wedding. You were going to. We were on DMs like texting like, Gertie, I wish, oh my God, I can't do Lindsay and Carl's wedding. You were going to. We were on DMs like texting like, Gertie, I wish, oh my God, I can't afford you. I'm like, yeah, somebody's gotta pay me,

whether it's you or Bravo, somebody's gotta pay the coin. And then all of a sudden, look what happened. Can you imagine? I would have been pissed that the week before the wedding or whenever that split happened, I would have done all that fabulosity and didn't get to Gertie fight the world, pissed.

So I'm glad. Why did they break up? Lindsay and Carl. Yeah, Lindsay and Carl. From Summer House. Oh, Lindsay and Carl. You weren't gonna do that one. Well, no, she was like, I wish Gertie would play my,

it was a whole thing. Like she had said out loud that she wished I could do it. And I was kind of like, and by the way, I had met them before. I had dinner with them, with Melissa Gorga and Joe and them. We had just with them, with Melissa Gorga, and Joe, and them. We had just done this podcast, and Dolores too. And I just saw the, I didn't see a match there.

I was kind of like, huh, okay, I could not see this happening. And then we did it. How did you, what was going on? Because right now, Lindsay did this podcast and came on and told a very, what we are learning seems to be a bit of a one-sided story. Uh-huh, there's always his side, her side, the truth, right? And now that we're watching it, Lindsay, you know,

seems very hard on Carl and seems to be using his personal struggle against him. Weaponizing, people love that word, right? They do. Is that the type of behavior that you witnessed while watching them? No, they weren't even in the same, they were like spread out

and I was having conversation with her and it's just, I didn't see it. I honestly did not see them down the aisle, personally. Like if you didn't know, you wouldn't think they were a couple? Well, they were definitely a couple. It's just that I didn't see the future with them lasting, in a sense, you know? So I just already, you know, you know, I just knew.

I was like, I don't think that's a good match. And I've seen a lot of shit. I mean, I had a groom say no at the fucking altar. Like literally, would you, James, take boom-a-boom? No, I can't. Stage fucking left. And I was like, it wasn't on love's mind.

Oh, did you see that mess? Yeah. But anyway, no, this was real life. You actually made the newspaper. I had a wedding where the groom said no at the altar. How do you handle that? This is what I did. I had my, like, by the way,

JLo thinks she's a wedding planner. I am the real JLo wedding planner. I was like this on my radio. Take away any monogrammed items like the cocktail napkins. And I'm talking like this literally, the cocktail napkins, the monogrammed cake, top tier, and anything in between that would show the last name. Thank you so much.

We don't have a wedding anymore. Everybody please abort the mission. Abort the mission. Everybody's running. Did you still get paid? I get paid two weeks before, two weeks. Okay. 14 business days of not including Saturday and Sunday. Did you still get paid? I get paid two weeks before, two weeks. 14 business days of that includes Saturday and Sunday.

So, sweetie, I am paid in full. I got a question to ask you since you know a lot about the wedding industry. We are currently planning our wedding. I saw that. I've been on your Instagram. It's been an experience. Overall, you know, it's been fine. But what I've learned is that a lot of people in the wedding business like to make your wedding about them.

If I had- The planner, you mean? Just everybody. Like, if I gotta hear- Vendors. If I gotta hear one more time, this is how it works in the wedding industry. Oh, really? You don't think that's the norm? Maybe we're working with the wedding industry. Oh, really?

You don't think that's the norm? Maybe we're working with the wrong people. I guess this is not a girthy experience, because I really, like, for me, my thing is, every wedding needs to be a representation of the bride and groom. Everyone should walk away from that wedding being like, that's so Nardi and Nick.

That shit, you saw what they did, she had butterflies. You remember how she loves a butterfly? Everyone should be like, this is everywhere, this is their house. That's why when I design, I'm like, what's in your house? Send me pictures of whatever you have in your house. And I will make sure at your wedding, there's something there that just feels right.

I don't want it to be like, this is a girly production. People know it is because it's always like something special and there's always a twist somewhere. That's how I make sure my events pop, thank you. Harper Bazaar and Vogue top planner in the world. Yeah. Herculease, Herculease, yeah. Yes, yes, yes.

But it's not about me. It has to be about you guys. I couldn't give a shit. No, no. What's the secret to planning a good wedding? Stay true to yourself and don't try to be a Jones. And I'm like keeping up with the Joneses. Oh my God, my friend Becky had a wedding

and she had like five, you know, ice cube, you know, luge and it's six, like stop it and invite people who you actually like and who you have spoken to five years prior and who will you will speak to five years post because it's just too much. When people send me a guest list, I'm like, go through that guest list again and make sure these people are meant to be in that room. And it gets cut in half most of the time. So yeah. Ours got a little skyrocketed.

Of course. But I guarantee you have a lot of people in the business and you shouldn't invite him because, you know, he and he's a CEO. No offense. But like you say, it's a private affair is between him and I and love you. Thank you. Bye. And that's it.

Who's going to be mad at you? They really love you, they shouldn't be mad at you, and that's it. So think hard on that guest list. Do you ever do like month of planning? Like come in like the month before and be like, let me just fix all this. I could come in the month before, but I mean, I'm still gonna be paid in full

for the full experience. And you know what I hate? It's like picking up garbage, right? So it's kind of like, okay, what did you do? Oh shit, that's wrong. Let me redo that contract. Why did you do it for two hours when you know you're going to have that here? And I'm just like fixing. So now I'm the fixer and I'm not focused on just the details. So it's got to be right from A through Z, everything. You doing this hopefully

once in a lifetime. And it is true. It is a priceless event that you're doing because it's a reflection of you. So whether you want to spend money or not a lot of money, it's just a reflection of you. That's it. And me, I dress how I want to be addressed. And when I host, I host and it's going to be done right. So just those are the things that I like to advise about. I want to go to a girly party.

They're special. They're special. A lot of people are. She's not inviting us. No, no, no. Yeah, she's like, yeah. I don't have a party. She's like, no, they're amazing. They're amazing. A lot of people are. She's not inviting us. No, no, yeah. She's like, yeah. I don't have a party.

She's like, no, they're amazing. They're amazing. Hopefully you'll be throwing one and then you'll be like, did you go to my girly party? That's the only way you get to go to one of your parties is if we throw a girly party. But I don't throw it at a party because when I throw them, it costs me so much fucking money. The last party I threw was my 40th birthday because I've never thrown a party in my life. My 40th birthday, put it this way. I had a photo booth technology created

so that I was able to be in each photo. Stop. Wait, not only just a still, it wasn't a still photo. It was an animated. So I had to do three costume changes, green screen, dance in three different outfits so that anytime you went in the photo booth, you were, I was in your shot,

and we were just dancing together, but Gertie was over there on the other side of the room. Stop. That's brilliant. No, it's crazy. No, but it's brilliant, because you can't take a photo with everybody at a wedding. There you go.

You just cut out the middle man. The middle man. Yeah. That's a Gertie party, and it's not normal. What if someone didn't want you in their picture? What the fuck, if you came toly party and it's not what if someone didn't want you in their picture If you came to my party You've been certified

And received your certification Okay, thank you for coming What do you have any opinions on the whole Bethany Frankel reality reckoning? Stuff or a lot of peers or former peers now is what Leah and Brandi, right? So, who's up next? I don't think Bethany ever takes a break. She's always saying something. But she did start this whole kind of movement,

if you want to call it, kind of suggesting that a lot of the Housewives or Bravo stars are somehow mistreated or manipulated. I kind of roll my eyes at that in terms of, and it's not to say that, again, as someone who's been on reality TV, production does things that frustrate us. They may try to suggest us to do things that we might regret.

We're all grown-ups. Thank you. Right? So do you think it's generally bullshit or do you find, how is your experience, I guess, when it comes to working with Bravo? I was the first to comment on a page six post when it all came out about the, I think what, Kathy Griffin was like,

oh, I was offered cocaine. And I'm kind of like, okay, do you want a cigarette? Oh, do you want a cookie? No. Yeah, sure. You do you, like, you know, in a sense. And I'm not of like, okay, do you want a cigarette? Oh, do you want a cookie? No, yeah, sure. You do you, like, you know, in a sense. And I'm not saying that it's happening because in me, my experience, Andy Cohen's offered me,

the only thing he's offered me was amazing hospitality and nothing else. So I don't have any grain of sour notes about Bravo itself because they let me tell my story and they didn't edit it to make it anything that it wasn't. It was the truth. And I was very, very scared the first season and I was watching how they were gonna produce.

Because I'm like, people are telling me they're gonna make you look crazy. And then second season and then the third season. Right now I have no inkling of mistrust in my production company, Bravo in Universal Studio in Universal I'm you know, because they're really our Storytellers and it's been really honestly organic for me Everyone has their own experience and I think that it speaks volume that

90% or 99% of the people on Bravo are saying Andy has been amazing and gracious and is a 99% of the people on Bravo are saying, Andy has been amazing and gracious and is a champion actually of women and our movement to push forward. So do you feel like to the people who are making a stink, do you think it's just mostly jealousy or, you know, mad that they're- So it's circumstantial maybe, right?

So like, you know, it was good before and now it's no longer good. So when it doesn't serve you, then there's a different perspective of it. So there's a lot of moving parts here and I don't want to speak for anyone, nor do I want to negate their feelings. But how long was this video?

Was it last week or was it three years ago and now it's being bought on because we're no longer part of the show and because you're getting sued by, you know, a lot of people because of the sexual... Yada, yada, yada. You're talking about Brandi? On that one, yes. Yeah. But I like her. I actually like Brandi.

I met her at BravoCon two years ago and she's cool. But you know, there's a lot of grievances in different places. I think for everyone maybe that have these issues and I can't really speak to it because I'm happy. I'm happy with Bravo. I'm a Bravo baby. How was it your first season joining? Because you joined with a reboot.

So you only had to establish yourself, but there was preexisting relationships. Yeah, so I mean, Nicole and I were friends before camera. Alexia knew also about town before filming. And then, and Kiki came on as my friend, so I knew her. And then everybody else was new on the show. And yeah, it was, but you see everybody in the scenes, it's just that you don't know them, know them. You know what I mean?

So yeah, I mean, Miami is super small, super small. Have you guys been? Yeah. Yeah. You like it? Not really. This is the hottest month in balls, isn't it? Yeah, I've never really had an amazing time in Miami. Oh, and I-

Because you haven't been around Gertie. I mean, I hope you guys- I've never been to a Gertie party. No, not even a Gertie party, just like a Gertie experience. I mean, Miami really, in any town, you walk, you get off the plane and it's like, what do I do? You really have to know people.

There you go. Yeah. Yeah. I guess I haven't been in Miami with people from Miami. There you go. We also are very, we don't, we end the night early and I feel like Miami does not. I guess not.

They sleep during the day and party at night, you know? I mean, I like day drinking, day drinking, right? Like that whole like brunch scene is everything. Then you take a nap at three and then you wake up at eight and it's like, what happened? And then you catch up on your movies or shows and then life is better like that, right? I mean, shit, day drinking is like everything.

I love it. I love for brunch. Mm-hmm. How do you, what is your stance when it comes to including kids on Bravo? Because I always find it fascinating. Because I feel like I don't know how the production works on Housewives. But it seems like, you know, it's like some scenes I guess I would call stage not necessarily

scripted. Like, you know, you guys seem like, okay, hey, we have to talk about this. And when it comes to kids, it always feels a little... Awkward? Yeah. Because it's to kids, it always feels a little Awkward yeah, cuz it's like it's one thing a lot. He's gonna be like, what are you doing? Well, not only that but Just like you know, it's one thing for two housewives who you know, this is a job they're being paid their pros You know, they're you guys are performers as much as it is real Right Right. There's a bit of performance at times. Elements to it, okay. And when kids are included, it always feels, half the time I feel like the kids are, they

look a bit kidnapped. Like they don't want to be there sometimes. I don't know what's your... But some of those are the best scenes though, because they're truth tellers, right? The kids is like always like, shh. You know, is that the friend that has the bad, the bad, you know, breath? Oh my God. So there could be some good moments out of it. always like, shh, you know, is that the friend that has the bad, the bad breath? Oh my God.

Like, so there could be some good moments out of it. My older son, you hardly see him because he made it clear. I don't want to be part of it. And sometimes he'll come out of like nowhere and it's like, Oh, here, look who he is. But you will hardly see Miles film. And I made it very clear to production. He doesn't want to film. He's a teenager with hormones like blasting.

I'm like, I'm not messing with that kid. Do they ever ask to have your kids on? Well, it's part of like, what's your, this is what they want. What's your morning routine? Like, of course it includes my kids. So then like, okay, so where are the kids? If you stage yourself to be something you're not

or to live a life you're not, a lot of people have been blasted for it and put, you know, that's what it is. For me and Russell, it's like we're so simple people. I mean, so simple, like it's like, they were like, Russell is a natural in first scene because he's like, okay, I'm coming home from work. I'm gonna do this.

I'm gonna do what I do best. Cook breakfast, take my kids to school. And so we don't stop. We just are ourselves. And I think that's why people are taking away from- What is your stance on deciding not to talk about something? Something we've discussed recently on Beverly Hills' housewife, Kyle. Kyle.

Right? There's a lot of conversations about her relationship with Moe and her lack of desire to talk about it, yet even though she seems to be kind of teasing it on her terms but doesn't want to talk about it with her peers. I, you know, as a fan, I see both sides. I see like, listen, like how can you, you know? I mean, maybe it's in real time. And so she's having a hard time even expressing what's happening. Cause when with cancer, that's what you see me with this emotional

roller coaster, cause it's like, I don't want to be in that place right now. I don't want to be mentally there, but then, Oh my God, all of a sudden you are. And it's like, you look crazy. Because you said kind of like, what's going on here? But I understand how it is that trauma and emotional turmoil that you are struggling with from within. So with Kyle, I feel like it was just so brand new, everything that was happening, that it was hard for her

to put it out there. Because she didn't know what tomorrow was going to look like. Maybe. Maybe. Then again, it could be the other potential, where maybe it's kind of like, okay, I already know what the final game is on this, but maybe I'm going to like create a little hysteria. Who knows? I don't know.

You won't know. And it is what it is. Right. But it keeps us watching. Right. So you always like, what's going to happen? Because I still don't have an answer. Is she with Morgan? Is she not with Morgan?

Right? What do you guys think? I have my... Well, I would be curious about what you think. I think. We talk about what we think all the time. Cathy spoke volume when she says, don't be ashamed. Just tell us you're a lesbian. That's pretty much Cathy was saying by saying, it's OK, sister, don't be ashamed. That's what I thought.

And it's OK. Like I said, I just think that there's a lot of pressure for Kyle, maybe. And so let's see what happens. Do you think her and Morgan are more than friends? Because I feel like... I personally do. Really? I see it. You can't hide love and affection. You can't... There's energy there. It's a vibration.

Can't they just be like, good girlfriends? Good girlfriends. Real good. Yeah, good. Real good. Real good. Yeah, good. Real good. Real good. Yeah. Okay.

Are you guys like foreplaying here? Like what is happening? Maybe. I can sense the good energy here, by the way. Maybe. Sexual chemistry is working here. There's no Lindsay Carl here. It's, it's a good vibe.

Yeah. You're not going to walk out and be like, don't see it. No, I do see it. I do see it. Thank God. Yeah. Thank God. And the pictures speak volume to the way he holds you and all that. I see it. No, I do see it. I do see it. Thank God. Yeah? Thank God.

And the pictures speak volume to the way he holds you and all that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Are you proud of your baby? You have a baby. I know, I know. She's perfect.

She hasn't really done anything to be proud of yet. It took me over a year to really sink in that I just had a fucking baby. That'll probably be me. Every stoplight, I would stop and I would go like this. Same. Okay, it's real, it's not a dream. It took me over a year.

I was thinking about that the other day. Right? I could wake up and be like, holy shit, that was all a dream. It does seem a bit- I have a little imposter syndrome of just like, this is okay. I know, I know. That's called life. It's really weird.

Yeah. What's your favorite thing about being a mom? Oh my God. The way that they are protective of me, I think that- How old are they? They're 16, taller than me. He's the size of Russell, wears his shoes and clothes.

And then Liam is 11. You're pretty tall. I'm five nine, Russell's six. And then Liam is my twin, he's a Capricorn, and he's like over, almost as tall as me. He's only 11. But everything is like, mommy, you're so beautiful. Mommy, I love you.

And it's just the way they look at me and the way they're like, there's a man in the room and I'm talking to them, like my older son would be like, but I'm like, no, say hi. And he's looking, he would not say hi to them. He'll be like, who the fuck are you? Like, and I'm like, so I kind of hate it,

but then I'm like, oh. That's sweet. How did you navigate telling them about the diagnosis? Well, I had Russell do it. Yeah, I literally could not because I'm like, I can't, it was so fresh and you, and that's what I'm talking about with Kyle. Like when things are so fresh and new,

it's like, you can't even fathom to understand what's going on within yourself. So I'm like, Russell, you tell them. He told them first, and then I reinforced that message. It was like, as daddy told you, this is what's happening. But it was at a time where I was able to articulate it properly. I don't want to scare them more than I'm scaring myself.

So I was like, I can't tell them anything. I'm gonna tear up in three seconds. How did they respond? Internally, they internalized it a lot, I think. And they would just kind of like be more empathetic with me, Respond. Internally, they internalized it a lot, I think. And they would just kind of like be more empathetic with me, like, you know, hugging a little longer, coming and kiss me in the morning before school. Like little things, you know, would be kind of like a wink-wink type of thing where they

didn't want to articulate it because it was hard for them, I think, but they just showed it to me. So yeah, I know it's so cute. I'm a queen of my castle. You are. I told you if I had a girl I'd be in jail. No, I know it's so cute. I'm a queen of my castle. I love it. I told you if I had a girl I'd be in jail. No, she's gonna like take him.

Jail! Where are you going with those daisy dukes? Who are you calling? Where are you going? Who are you sleeping? No, no, no, sleep over where? No. I know. What advice do you have for us as parents?

They like especially- Don't be their friend. Really? Don't be their friend friend. Be a friend, but not a friend friend. Like don't be like, oh my God, girl is hanging out. No, you're the mother and you need to make sure that she respects you as such. Really? Don't be their friend friend. Be a friend, but not a friend friend. Like don't be like, oh my God, girl, let's hang out. No, you're the mother and you need to make sure that she respects you as such, because

then when they start telling you to shut up, you know how those kids are fresh these days, girl? Not my kids, my kids are crazy. They know not to mess with me. Anyway, but I think that if you're too friendly and trying to be down too much, it's going to backfire later when you try to set ground rules and they're going to be like, well, what are you talking about? Like stop it. They're going gonna take it for a joke.

So to me, I would say, know the boundaries and make sure that they respect you and look up to you. So everything that you do, your kids are watching. Yeah, they are. Right? Yeah, they are. Yeah. Yeah, daddy.

I'm excited. I'm always thinking about lessons, you know? Yeah, but everything you do, they're gonna see it later on in life. So that's how I lead my life. The way I react to things, whatever, it's always thinking about lessons, you know? But everything you do, they're going to see it later on in life. So that's how I lead my life. The way I react to things, whatever, it's always going to be organic, but I always have to remember, do I slap this bitch or am I going to sit there

and just kind of like think higher when they go low, you go high, right? So you try to do that whole thing. Cause you know, your kids are watching and like, I want to be an example to them. So, and also an example to myself, let me raise above the bullshit. Do they watch the show? Absolutely not. They don't even have Instagram or whatever.

They have nothing. Russell either, which is the best part, because girl. But they don't have, they're not online? They have no social media, no! Because you don't let them? They're sitting in Pokemon. I was like, how do you manage?

Yeah, how do you do that? I would, trust me. Like brand collaborators are like, okay, we want Russell to do this, whatever. I'm like, but he doesn't have Instagram. So you have to go through the Curdy Design account because, you know, so we're doing collaborations together, which is cute. But like Russell is like in high demand right now. Everybody wants a piece of Russell, which is great.

I'm like, colognes, shoes, clothes. I'm like, bring it. Here's my address. But I'm his manager. I'm going nowhere. Okay, bitches. You gotta come bring it. Here's my address, but I'm his manager. I'm going nowhere, okay bitches? You gotta come through me. He's so cute, my God. But no, the kids aren't.

They're just not interested? To Pokemon, Marvel, Star Wars, that's it. How did Russell handle you starting, I know he was probably the most supportive, but like you starting out on Housewives, like was that like a major shift having these cameras in your house and filming dynamics of your relationship? I was so scared because I'm like, the only way I wouldn't do it is if Russell's like,

I can't handle this, like Russell was like, yeah, this is okay. My career in the event industry has been 22 years span, right? So it's like, I was known for what I was doing and I had been approached to do two different shows actually but more on the Jeff Lewis side, more like we wanna see you in action doing weddings. And I'm like, damn, that's a lot of pressure because it could make or break me. And I just got scared.

And this is like years before the housewives call. And then when the housewives call came and we started talking about that, I was like, okay, this is it. Because it's a balance of my life and work. So not just one thing, which is my livelihood, it's just a little spray running around of the greenery. So I was like, I'll do that.

I'll do that for sure. So it was a perfect combo. And Russell was down with it. How did the call happen? It wasn't a call like, hey, we... No, it was more like a, I think they were scouting for people. My name had been thrown a lot around.

And then the connections of our friendship. So they already, you know, they started with the OGs, I think, because of their, you know, mark for the past couple seasons that they were on. And then it was kind of like, who do you know? Who are you friends with? And then the buildup of Nicole and then, oh, Gertie. And then it justup of Nicole and then, oh, Gertie.

And then it just became this knit. And we're the chemistry you can't deny. You can't deny the chemistry of Miami. And I think that people are mind blown at how it all meshes together. And we're just chaos. That gondola ride, I don't know if you guys watched that. Oh my God. That was wild. And then all of a know if you guys watched that. Oh my God. That was wild.

And then all of a sudden I'm like the altitude, wonderful. Altitude hits me and I'm like, and it's just, oh. You've got you throwing up, you've got Lisa. The mariachi band all at once. This is not editing. This is literally happening at the same sequence. Like crazy town. You guys cover so many different types of characters too,

and so many different reasons to pop off. The culture and the diversity is like the number one thing that we're now representing the world. We're not so much like a town, you know what I mean? So like from OC to Miami is like shit, you have Brazilian, Russian, everything. It's cool. I absolutely love it.

Also, sorry, one last question for me with Lisa. Don't say sorry. No, no. I was like interjecting, but um, uh, with Lisa's divorce that came through, um, was, did you feel like she, were you trying to help her kind of navigate through that? Was she even like open to hearing that? I feel like you having like a 20 year very my advice was not warranted at all it was kind of like you never been divorced so you kind of stay out of it I was like okay I thought I could give you a different perspective on it because it seemed like she wanted to try to work it out so I could help maybe no because was it you initially or was it Kiki that was like you both were like that she keeps bringing

up the negative yeah Kiki was like oh my god God, Lenny, Lenny, Lenny. You know, if you have a bag, a store bag, it's Lenny. Lenny's fault. Like he was a lot. But yeah, I mean, Lisa's going through it to be honest. And yeah, divorce is shit. And of course it lasts a long time. It's two seasons in talking about Lenny at this point.

Right. We just want to hear the word Lenny. Right. We want to know how you doing, Lisa. We don't really want to hear about how Lenny affected you. Like, worry about how you are affecting yourself and how you're moving forward and above it all. So, you know, she's a phoenix. I hope she takes your advice. You have great advice. You know?

I have a lot more where that came from. Have you done a lot of celebrity weddings or parties? Yeah. Do you have any fun anecdotal, best or worst, any ones you regret doing? I did an amazing wedding for Chris Bosch. Amazing. They're still together. Thank God.

Most of my couples actually are still together. I can count on my fingers. Yeah. Do you think you could be a matchmaker now with all the wedding planning you've done? Well, I was asked to actually perform a wedding ceremony, like me and Russell to perform a wedding ceremony. I'm like, wait, that's a thing. We should do that because 28 years together, imagining us being like the

officiant, how cute is that? Russell looked at me like I was crazy. And I'm like, Russell, you're good eye candy. So just stand there. Okay. So anyway, I mean, I think we could definitely do that. I mean, I was thinking, I'm like, should we do a podcast and like talk shit about like a marriage

and how amazing it could be, how horrible it could be and all the in-betweens, you know? So I don't know, I like to talk. I don't know. So Chris Bosh, you did their wedding. Chris Bosh, yeah. Is there, what was your worst wedding planning experience? The wedding where the groom said no at the altar.

Other than that, other than that, other than that. Well, I mean, the brightzilla thing is kind of like, you don't know what you're talking about, what do you want to do? Oh, I had a wedding where the groom wanted to do the, what is it when you go into the world with those goggles and you're like into- The virtual reality.

Okay, VI, he wanted to do a wedding there. And I was like, where is there? Where we're going? Yeah, and He wanted to do a wedding there. And I was like, where is there? Where we're going? Yeah, and I wanna do a wedding there. And I'm like, there, where? So I was like, fuck. Everyone wear goggles. We're all going, that's insane.

I'm gonna invite everyone in my family in India and everything and I'm like, okay. And we're gonna meet in the virtual room and what happened? So what did you all end up doing? Have the wedding in his backyard. He has a big ass backyard in Las Vegas. So they flew me out there and I,

Gertified all of that. Gertified it. It was amazing actually. But I was kind of like, there where? I said, this is what I said, Gertie, you should plan a timeless wedding. In 10 years, you're going to love it. So are you sure you're going to love their wedding in virtual where wedding, you know?

And he was like, yeah, you're right. Backyard? He changed course. Easily. Yep. What brought you to LA in general? Are you out here just- So I was attending the DirectTV Oscar streaming party.

How was that? We got invited to that, but we have a baby, so. Oh, so cute. But yeah, so I flew for that. And Vicky Gundelson was there. Phaedra Parks, Janelle from Traders, Erica Jane, Lisa Milan, Darby was the first thing. Ashley Darby was there.

Olivia from Summer, no? Southern Tram? Yep, that. Gotcha. A lot of people, it was there. Olivia from summer. No, southern China. Yep. Got you. A lot of people, it was cool. Okay. Yeah. It was like a-

And I was there. Bravo's who? Yeah. De-listers, but yeah, I was there. What did you do? I hate considering myself like a celebrity, you know, whatever. I mean, now I think that me and Russell

are more recognizable because it's like, white guy, bald black girl. Yes, Russell and Gerty. So now I'm like at valet parking. Stop. Gerty, now I think that me and Russell are more recognizable because it's like, white guy, bald black girl. Yes, Russell and Gerty. So now I'm like at valet parking. Gerty, take a selfie. I'm like, oh shit. It's hard out here, man. Let me tell you, it's hard.

It's hard work. I think the hair looks fantastic. No, I'm obsessed with my hair now. Really? Yeah. And literally with the hot flashes and Miami heat, I just can't bear all this freaking hair on my back. So like, it all worked out. Are the hot flashes part of the chemo?

Yeah, because they put me on surgical menopause. I had to have a hysterectomy to suppress my estrogen. So yeah, I'm on menopause without wanting to be on menopause, but it's all part of the journey. And so the hot flashes are coming with it. And hopefully soon I won't become, you know, fat because apparently you're estrogen. Once you lose your estrogen, your body just like, yeah. So I'm gonna have to work it out. We have to work out now. We have to work out now. I don't care. Listen,

Russell loves me whether I'm bald, fat, ugly, whatever. It doesn't matter. I was gonna say, nowadays you can just like lay on a table and they'll do your abs, your butt whether I'm bald, fat, ugly, whatever. It doesn't matter. You know, like I was going to say nowadays you can just like lay on a table and they'll do your abs, your butt. I'm not saying I'm doing all that. No, I'm going to keep it natural and what's going to have to deal with it. OK, so I know the workouts where they like put the thing on and it's like this whole thing and they lift your butt. Yeah, you can literally do nothing.

Yeah. And get abs. So don't even worry about it. Yeah. Now you're right. That's what I'm doing. Yeah. I'm looking to it. What is it called? Emskult. Emskult. It's like 2000, like abs in two seconds.

20,000 squats and crunches. But does it really work? Cause I haven't seen a person that looks like, like perfect body. Let me tell you, the people that are using it don't typically tell you they are. I'm in the gym and I only drink water and olive oil. And olive oil?

I never heard of that drink before, shit. Okay, all right. Are people actually drinking olive oil? A little olive oil? I never heard of that drink before, shit. Okay, all right. Are people actually drinking olive oil? A little olive oil in your coffee? Yeah, Starbucks started putting it on their menu. Wait, what? It helps allow you to- But doesn't coffee already do that?

Exactly. Yeah, but I'm like, add a little olive oil. You need more? Honey, some people need a little extra help. That's California for you. Yeah, they're doing weird shit out here. Nope, not me. How many more seasons do you think you have left in you?

I mean, I have a lot of story to tell. I think that people don't know all sides of Gertie. I am an onion. I like to say a flower. Lots of petal counts. Yes, yes. What is the side of you that the people haven't seen yet that you'd like to be able to share?

Well, I mean, obviously, you know, I'm nice until I'm not. And you've seen a little bit of me like not putting up with bullshit. I think a lot of time I, people mistake my kindness for weakness. So just don't fuck with me. I'm a nice person, but don't fuck with me because I will fucking-

Have you always been like that? Like were you raised that way of just like, don't put up with bullshit, like you... I'm one of seven kids, of seven kids, five of us are girls, and my mother, it was like, you're diamonds, you don't fucking break. And the reason why I'm very resilient is because at the age of nine, I came from France.

So I was born in Haiti. At the age of one, we moved from Haiti to Paris. From Paris, we moved when I was nine to the US. Can you speak French? Je ne sais pas français, bien sûr. Oh, hot. Yeah. And so when I got to America, I'm like this tall.

I'm age nine, literally five nine. Fucking like braids, wearing like church clothes. My father was a pastor and we couldn't wear pants. And I'm coming to this school and I don't speak no English. And it's like, oh shit. So now like getting picked on, they used to call me giraffe and all that stuff. And then I got my swag back on

and I ended the season with being prom queen. Thank you. And with a man, thank you. And so you build yourself up when people are trying to break you down. That's the story of it. So, so I have a lot of story to tell. Trust me, there's just the migration to America is a whole story onto itself, which I haven't shared at all with anybody.

And Russell always tells me like, why are you suppressing that story and that side of you? Because I'm like traumatic, but soon maybe I'll talk about it on the show. If it's meant to be. Could you give us a little nugget of it here? Ah, yeah. I haven't spoken about it much, but it's just that, you know, when I came to the US, one thing that people don't know, it wasn't like this story of like, yay, we're on a plane, family, one, two, three. It was like me and my brother, just two of the seven kids, the youngest two,

we were dropped off at my father's quote unquote cousin and we were left there for three months and I was nine. And that was in the US? Yeah, so I was in the US, not speaking English in a stranger's house who I was told was family and I was like, okay. And my parents were like, see you soon, bye. And I never saw them until they came back to move here.

So that itself is crazy. And I never talk about it because I'm like, I don't know. But I think it explains a lot about why I am the way I am. Why did they send the two of you first? It's a thing. It's a cultural thing, I think. A lot of Haitian people, when you're trying to get out of the rut and the bottom and you're trying to come up, you don't, you sacrifice a lot, whether it be like, you know, sending

one person and then you don't have enough money to send the other person, whatever it was, it was still like, in my view, kind of like the two youngest ones, you sure? Or like the two oldest one that are 17, like, but like nine and, you know, 11, it was, it was intense. So I literally don't even speak about it. I don't even think about it until Russell's like, but you know, this is because of this, there's that. And I'm like, oh yeah, forgot about it.

So it's really weird. But, mm-hmm. So there's a lot. You should definitely open up about that. Yeah, when I write a book one day. I mean, I have a lot to share, obviously. The cancer story itself is aspiring to many people. The way I was brought up, I mean, my planning parties and all that stuff. So there's a lot

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How can we help? So I've been dating my divorce lawyer who just found out is married with children. Oh, okay. You just found out. Your divorce lawyer. So you're trying to get a divorce and using him to do that and he's over here flirting with you and all of that and then he's married with children? How did you find out?

Yeah. So I've been chatting with him for a while, kind of divulged all of my private and confidential information to him because obviously, trust is poor. And then actually a client of mine, we started chatting and I realized that we had used the same lawyer and she said, oh, it was such a nice guy. It's great to have a family man as your lawyer. And I was like, oh, like family man. And she said, yeah.

And I said, oh yeah, just kind of didn't say much. And I was like, oh, so he's like married and had children. And she said, yeah. And I was like, oh, well, that's sweet. And I was like, what the F. Does this guy have Instagram that he actually like is public where you see pictures? Because usually Google does a pretty good job at like outing people's shit, right? Right. So no, he has no social media and he's...

Sneak a sneak. Yeah, absolutely no social media. So didn't really pre-father look into it because I was like, okay, well, makes sense. You know, lawyer trying to keep certain things private. I didn't really pretty bother look into it because I was like, okay, well, makes sense. You know, lawyer trying to keep certain things private, but since the fact did a bunch of investigating and have found pictures of him with his family online on other people's accounts. So where are you at now? Like what other than telling us this very juicy, fun story from our...

Fun? Not fun for her, but fun for the audience. What can we help you with? What are you trying to figure out at this point? Are you hooked? Yeah. So basically, I was hooked on the person I thought he was. And I was like, you know what? This is wrong.

Part of the reason my marriage, I was in this situation was because of infidelity. So really, it was very open and honest. On your ex-husband's part? Good question. My part. Okay. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Okay.

So would there, yeah, go ahead. Is your divorce final? No. Okay. Okay. So he's still your lawyer? Or is he? Kind of. I'm in the process of trying to obtain a new lawyer. So he is still my lawyer until

everything goes through to switch that over. Are you in the process of that before you found out that he was a married man or like, why were you switching? Because you were dating him and you thought, eh, or because now you don't or- Conflict of interest. Yeah. Now it's a conflict of interest and I don't trust him. Yeah. Be handling, you know, sense that life matters.

Have you confronted him about his family? I did. And? And he said, I just called him. I was very good with keeping personal and professional separate. So anything to do with divorce, I always emailed him. And then anything personal do with divorce, I always emailed him and

then anything personal, you know, was phone calls, texts, all that type of thing. So I did try to keep the two very separate matters. So I did call him out and just said, Hey, I need, I need to chat with you. He assumed it was work related. And I just said, you know, can we, can we speak openly and honestly about this like I was told you're married with children and he said no I'm not and I said oh is your wife's name not her name and he said no but that's what it is and he's and where and yeah and then what and then yeah and he said I'll chat with you in a bit, babe. Babe?

When was that? Oh, like a couple of weeks ago. And have you spoken to them since? No. Have you tried to reach out to them? I did try to reach out to them to say, hey, what's going on? Are you like, yeah, hey, what's going on?

And he's ghosted you? Yeah. So like even as your lawyer, he stopped, doesn't he have a fiduciary duty to- Yeah, right, perform. To do his job? Yeah. So like even as your lawyer, he stopped. Doesn't he have a fiduciary duty to perform, to do his job? Yeah. Yeah. So he still has to reach out to me in regards to, yeah, professionally. Is he doing that?

I had to reach out to him once and he did reply. Okay. Business related. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Business related. Okay. Yeah. What were you thinking? Damn. So like what can we help you with?

Like where are you at? Like what are you thinking, feeling? I was very open and honest that I want no part in any type of infidelity, no part in being in some sort of triangle, have been in counseling, working through all of those issues was very open and vulnerable with him about all of that. Yeah.

So I guess just trying to decide, do I report him to the law association and, or- What would you report him for? Like I don't know. I don't know if it's, is he not allowed to, I don't know how that works. Me either. Can he? Yeah, so, yeah, it is a breach, so you are not allowed to actively date a client

at the same time as you're representing them. Okay. Yeah. What do you think you should do? And when you use a position of power to manipulate someone is also against their something. I mean, I know he lied about the marriage part, you know, and that's fucked up.

So that's not excusing that behavior. But do you really feel like he had power over you? Right. No, not necessarily, no. Okay. What does your gut tell you you should do? My gut tells me I should tell his wife. They even know.

Why that? I mean, like, right now we were deciding whether you should tell the proper authorities. Right. I would probably go that route. Telling his wife, I wouldn't recommend. It'll take care of itself though. If you tell the authorities some way, somehow it will take care of itself and

it'll trickle down into your heart lap. Honey. Uh, Dr. Phil was recently on our episode of Ask Nick. I don't know if you listened to that similar situation and he had a very good point. It's like, this woman won't thank you. He's gonna get ahead of the lie.

You're not doing it to protect her. You're doing it to get revenge on him. If you wanna get revenge on him, go to the proper authorities. But inserting yourself in that relationship, I don't think is gonna get you the outcome that you're looking for. Right, yeah, partly why I haven't done that yet,

because I was like, you know what, I- You never win either. They'll always look at you like, oh, she's a home wrecker and whatever, she's not gonna want, she's gonna be in denial. The first step is always to be in denial. So you will never win in that situation. So do what you have to do, I think,

focus on you and your outcome, which is to get a divorce and to rid yourself of this lawyer. So get that done and then it will all take care of itself. Trust me, karma is that bitch. That's another thing. I mean, you could tell the authorities, but then the question is, is like, what will that cost you if anything?

Like what would that do to your reputational damage? I don't know. I don't know. Like you were in a relationship with this guy and you didn't think he was married. That being said, you getting a divorce because of your own infidelity, only to date your divorced lawyer,

on its face this looks a little messy. Right, my infidelity is not known to anyone, but still, correct, I don't disagree, it does look messy. I mean, if you really think this guy is somehow a danger to other people as a lawyer, then report him. But if, you know. Yeah, that's this shake and he's done this multiple times just for pleasure, you know, entertainment value. It is wrong and it's unethical. But we, you know, she doesn't know that. Do you know that to be true?

Is it a real offender? No, I don't know that to be true. I just identify with it. For all we know that, you know, I be true? You see the weak defender? No, I don't know that to be true. I did have a friend. For all we know that, you know, not in any way condoning what he did, but for all we know, he met you, fell magically in love with you, and just didn't do the right thing

in terms of handling his business. And as you pointed out, you don't necessarily felt like he had any sort of position of power over you. And it sounded like, I'm guessing, the idea of dating your divorce lawyer, like whatever, however wrong that felt probably was fun.

You know, I guess what I'm saying, you're an adult and you chose to date him too, knowing. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm guessing you knew he wasn't allowed to date you before you knew he had a family and you had no problem with it then. Yeah, yeah, to a point. I did not know that you couldn't date a client.

However, that was not my intention when we started chatting. That was never in the back of my mind, like, hey, I wanna date this guy. No, no, I know that, but I'm saying, while you were dating him, not knowing he had a family, when did you find out that wasn't allowed after you found out he had a family?

Right, yeah, when I looked into it. Gotcha. Yeah, after. I'm willing to bet. Let's say, for example, you didn't find out he had a family and let's say you're on a date and he was like, I gotta tell you something, by the way, I shouldn't be doing this and I'm only telling you this because I care about you, I like you,

but could you just like, don't tell people because I could get in big trouble. My guess is you wouldn't have reported him and probably if anything it probably made you feel special because he is breaking the you know he's doing something he shouldn't do just to date you is my guess. I know it's like a not a very unsatisfying answer but I feel like the best thing you could do is remove yourself from that situation. Get a new lawyer.

It's not your business to tell his wife, nothing good is going to come of it. Yeah, technically he's doing something wrong from a lawyer standpoint, but you have no idea whether this is a pattern at all, and you would only be doing it for revenge purposes. You could sell yourself that you're doing the right thing, but you're only doing it because you found out he's married. And it's not illegal to have an affair. It's illegal to date the clients. So the thing that you are trying to punish them for isn't the thing that is wrong.

Am I making sense? Yeah. And I don't know. I just, I don't know. I just don't know if you'll, I think you'll get instant satisfaction, but maybe a long-term regret and it will create more of a mess, and then you'll have a lawyer out to get you. Or maybe he won't be a lawyer for very long, I don't know.

But I don't know, I think it just creates a lot of drama in your life when I'm guessing, given that your divorce is not finalized, it sounds like you've been doing some work post-separation from your husband. I would assume that you would want to have more calmness and more peace and less drama in your life. And I think doing more with this guy,

even if that is reporting him, is not creating less drama in your life, but more. And as far as your journey as a person and your healing from your divorce, I don't think this helps it. I think it just keeps you invested in a toxic situation. That would be my two cents. I think, can I, can I interject?

Oh, please, yeah. I just think that you have to do what is sane for yourself. You know what I mean? So like the goal is not to tell you, obviously do this, do this, do that, because at the end of the day, you have to sleep with yourself at night, right? So whatever makes you sleep at night

is the right thing to do, I would say. So definitely reflect on what best option will make sure that keeps you in a zen place, okay? So telling the wife, there's a lot of trickle down effect on that, right? The kids are involved now, so remember that. And we're not saying don So telling the wife, there's a lot of trickle down effect on that, right? The kids are involved now. They're, you know, so remember that. And we're not saying don't tell the wife if that's what you want to do. And you think that's the best way for you to feel good about yourself. You like it. I love it. But just always look at all options

and then you do your pros and cons. So create that grid line, pros, cons on each, each single action because there will be a reaction. Okay. Right. Yeah. And I'm not a negative person. I'm not about negativity. I'm not about any drama. And my intent of reporting him and or telling his wife was not to cause any drama or any more bad vibes, right? Right.

But you would be if you did, to be clear. Right. Yeah. Right. But then again, I feel like, you know, it's okay to be selfish sometimes, you know? And that's one thing I've learned, honestly, like, with what I'm going through in my journey, it taught me to be selfish. Whatever makes me feel good, whatever makes me, you know, onwards, you know, so as long as you have a positive outcome for yourself is what I

think should happen. And we can tell you what that equation looks like. You got to do one plus one equals two. So that's on you, right? It's an internal reflection on everything. And I just think that telling his wife, not telling his wife was the outcome of that. And will you be able to be okay to have this go on for six more years if you told his wife, not telling his wife and telling the authorities now what does that happen? The depositions, we don't know anything about this legality stuff. So everything, like I said, it has a reaction and you create that roadmap knowing what that end result may look like. And if it satisfies you, do you. Yeah, but what if she convinces herself it does that? I mean, there's a difference between

short term and long term. Short term, it probably will feel good in the moment. Long term, I think it's only gonna create more drama in your life. And you may wanna talk to also a professional, a therapist maybe, because I think that there's a lot of healing happening or needs to happen from the divorce itself, from all the mess from the past,

and then now how it's affecting you. Don't create the cycle. So you need to break off the chains of that. And then maybe that professional can help you go through the right state of mind to be able to make a decision moving forward with the situation. Right. The therapist did say it's reportable and definitely should be reported. Your therapist told you to do that? Yeah. Yeah. But there's a lot of energy that goes into that. So it's like, do you want

to spend your energy on that? Yeah, my kind of vibe is you know best revenge is live a good life You know, I'm not I'm not out for revenge on him or to try to ruin his life, right? Bad choice. I don't know. I asked were you intimate to a point? Yeah, Thank God. Yeah. Okay. Well, yeah, I guess that's my two cents. But keep us posted what you decide to do.

Absolutely. I am very curious. Okay. All right. Best of luck. Well, best of luck. Don't let it get you down. I know it's probably a bummer. Next time, you know.

Yeah, a lot of trust. You know, don't shit where you eat, you know? Don't, so to speak. Absolutely. Yep, true. Right. It was already kind of a red flag to date your divorce lawyer. Yeah. Right.

Yeah. How did it even start? How did it begin? Like who asked who out? Him. Yeah, I was just wanting to know more details and, you know, wanted to flirt the line and needed to know everything. You must have asked him if he's ever done this before with another client, no?

I did, and he said no. Right, no. Who knows if that's true. He also said he wasn't married. Right, exactly, grain of salt. All right, well, thank you for the call. Please keep us posted what you decided to do, regardless of what you decided, and we appreciate the call. Thank you. Okay call. Please keep us posted what you decided to do, regardless of what you decided.

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