The Viall Files - E738 RR - thanK you aIMee, VPR, The Valley, SH, & Monica Interview Fallout w/ Joy Bryant & Kate Aurthur

Episode Date: April 23, 2024

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap Edition! Today, we are joined by Joy Bryant and Kate Aurthur to chat about all things reality television. First, we talk about Taylor Swift’s new album and her “thanK you aIMee” song. Next, we have a heated conversation about Pickleball and LA. Kate then breaks down the RHOSLC Monica Case before we dive into how the concept of The Valley was born. Next, Nick takes Lindsay's side on Carl not being motivated. And finally, we discuss the Vanderpump Rules cast and their money problems. “I need to find the bunker Lala is in now that the Swifties are coming after her.”  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Manscaped - Help save lives (and balls!) by going over to https://www.Manscaped.com/TCS and sharing their funny, educational “Check Yo’ Self” video. And while you’re at it, grab 20% OFF + Free Shipping with code VIALL. Quince - Upgrade your wardrobe. Go to https://www.Quince.com/viall for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Nutrafol - For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners ten dollars off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you go to https://www.Nutrafol.com and enter the promo code THEVIALLFILES. Bubly - Try Bubly’s new Bubly Burst today!  ZOA Energy - Available online and at a store near you. Find out where you can find it at https://www.ZOAEnergy.com and fine retailers like Amazon, 7-Eleven, Costco, Circle K and more. Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @joybeezy @kateaurthur @nnataliejjoy @ciaracrobinson @alison.vandam @justinkaphillips @leahgsilberstein @dereklanerussell Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 06:16 - Taylor’s New Album 15:52 - RHOSLC Monica Case 43:20 - Spice Girls Reunion 50:17 - Summer House 01:09:34 - VPR 01:43:36 - The Valley 01:54:05 - Reality Finances 02:01:21 - Outro 

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Don't forget they have amazing men's grooming equipment like the lawnmower 5.0 ultra Don't forget like I always say if your man does not have something to groom his balls, he's using your stuff. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files reality recap Edition I am your host Nick joint by the household. We got sweet boy Justin. We got Sierra in here We have a couple of very special guests Kate Arthur returns to the show from variety magazine Welcome Kate and for the first time on the show, very excited about this one, Joy Bryant is with us.

Yay! Yay! Yay! So happy to be here. We have so much to get into. Taylor Swift has a new album. Lala's coming after Taylor Swift. It's kind of crazy.

Anyways, Joy, how are you? Welcome to the show. I'm good. Good morning. Or afternoon. Have you been? Good morning. Good afternoon. How have you been? Good morning. It's still morning. It'll be morning.

Yeah, we'll get close to the afternoon. How's life? What's new? Congratulations on all your new stuff. Oh, thank you, thank you. Life is good, good enough. You know, I got a new show out. Spiderwick Chronicles.

I'm bumping into it. You're good. You're doing great. Thank you. We're all very excited about it. Me too. It's pretty cool, I'm bumping into it. You're good. Spiderwick. Thank you. We're all very excited about it. Me too. What's your- The Spiderwick Chronicles on Roku. It's already out.

Yes. It's already out on Roku. Yes, came out last week. How excited are you for it? Well, I mean, we shot it like last year. It's gone through so many things and things. Was it a pandemic project? Yeah, we shot it during, from September of, wow, 2022.

Wow. And then into the winter of 2023. So it's just like, finally. It's one of those things, yeah, you record it and you kind of forget about it, you let it go. Yeah, and a lot of things happened. And a lot of things happened. And then the strike happened, and then this happened,

and then this, you know, so it's like. It must be a relief to finally just kind of have it out and have everyone enjoying it. Yeah, yeah, you know, I had to remind myself, what was my name again? What did I do? You know, I have to like, you know, I'm older now, so I have to remind myself.

I need like sheets like this to remind me of like, what the hell I'm doing. Well, we're very excited about it. We actually have a clip to play. What, what? We have the trailer. Trailer. Oh, cute.

Let's play the trailer. Okay. Oh my God. That was very exciting. I love that trailer so much. It's so cute. That looks so fun. And this is based off a very popular book series.

And there was a movie in 2008, I believe. I love that movie. Yeah. Were you a fan of the original take on it? Yeah, I mean, I've never read the books before, but I knew the movie and I watched it again when I was up for the role and stuff. Oh, that is so up my alley.

That makes me so happy. One of those kind of shows that kind of goes across, like it's for adults, it's for kids, everyone kind of watch it, which I'm really in the market for, shows that I can now watch with my daughter that I will enjoy. How old is your daughter?

She's only 11 weeks. Aw, she's 11 weeks? Yeah. Yeah. Whoa. New. Wow. She's very new. Oh wow, and then y'all getting married, wow.

Oh, not me. Oh no, not y'all. Definitely not me, girl. She's coming to the wedding. Wow. Coming to the wedding. Oh my god, so much awesome energy and She's coming to the wedding. Wow. Coming to the wedding. Oh my God, so much awesome energy and life and all these things in your life.

Yeah, we're very excited. This is so cool. It's been so much fun. Congratulations. Our daughter wakes up in very good moods, which is very cute, but also a little frustrating. Why? Well, because we're tired.

Are you not a morning person? She's like, I'm up, and I'm like, ah, and then I'll look at her and she's all like, ah, and I'm like, okay, I'm not mad. I'm happy, but yeah, it's been a lot of fun. Do I look, I got another facial, do I look tired today? People have been telling me I look tired. You're glowing.

I think, I mean, I've never, you know, I haven't seen you in person before. But not that bad, right? I think you're crushing it right now. I think so, I don't know. Nick also got a facial a couple of days ago, so. We're reminded. Ah, what kind of, pre-wedding facial. Oh, what kind of facial did you get?

The works. Is there other different kinds? How are these different kinds? I know yours was like an hour and a half, so you got the works. Ah. It lasted, I would have showed up late. So that's the last thing.

Did they scrub your face? Yeah, no, it was the whole thing. There was moments where my skin was burning, then it was cooling, then it was burning. Did they give you like the wedding facial? Cause like the hydro facial, I think is the facial that they give you, cause like burning. Did it give you like the wedding facial? Cause like the hydro facial I think is the facial that they give you cause like you can do it and you walk out and it doesn't look like anything.

I felt like I was glowing. I don't think I got a peel. I wasn't like red or anything. If your face was burning and then it wasn't. There was a tingle for a little bit. That might be a light peel. A light peel? Yeah.

Okay, well certainly I probably could need one. It looks good. I mean your pores are great from here. Thank you. I can't even see pores from here. I can't even see pores from here. I can't even see pores from here. I mean... Well, I feel better. Thank you for... I need this...

Walk into the recombinant. I need this hype, yeah. Well, we have so much to get into. So much. Taylor Swift dropped a new album last week. 31 tracks. That's a lot. That's a lot.

I'm really just... I'm just really interested in the song about Kim Kardashian. Thank you. I'm really enjoying, it's like sometimes when you're, you know, when reality TV stars talk shit about each other, you know, online or just like, is this worth it? Do I need it? Do I need to do it? And you're like, fuck it, send it.

I wonder if Taylor Swift like was fully committed to the bit. I mean, she must have. She wrote a whole song. Do you think there was any conversations between her and her people, whoever, maybe it's Ms. Travis, maybe it's her manager, maybe it's Tree, her publicist, but were they like, do we put this out? Do we?

Or do you think she was fully committed? I think she can do whatever she wants at this point. She owns everything. I feel like there's nobody to tell her no. And I love that it's very much like Easter eggs or her thing, but then I'm like, there's nothing subtle about capitalizing the three letters that spell out Kim.

She knew what she was doing. It was intentional. If you can read, you can get it. I love the news, they're like, and people are speculating that it's about Kim Kardashian. It's like, no, it's literally spelled out. No, it's literally about her. Wait, question, so I haven't listened to the album, but like it's like 30 something tracks.

Is it like, are they all like full on songs or sort of interlude kind of thing? Full on song? There's two albums though. I haven't made my way through yet. The double album. So the original one has 16 songs and then the anthology, which is like the next one, has like extras. So she like released one set at like midnight and then at 2 a.m. Released to the next 16. Oh, yeah

Okay, and this all like songs not no sort of like, you know, you know Interlude Easter egg I mean everything is an Easter egg Our music was stressing because they'd actually gotten that what they thought was full album in advance, and then middle of the night, nope. She was like, surprise. All other ones. So does the variety music team have like code crackers for Taylor Swift? Because so much of what people listen to her song is for the-

My colleague Chris Willman is a Taylor scholar and has covered her, known her, written cover stories about her since, I mean, he posted a picture this week in our Slack about, he was like, my memories are telling me that it's been 15 years since this tour or something, and it was like a picture of Taylor with his daughter, who was little at the time. And so, you know, yeah, yes. And he did a, what every song is about post,

like, and, you know, which he's done for every one of her records. Wow, he's the only one like that. Is he okay? He's in the army class or something like that. He worked all weekend. He worked all weekend. So. Anyone check on Kim this weekend?

How is... People were commenting on her recent post, thank you Amy, thank you Amy, thank you Amy. Oh. So people connected the dots. Well, I will say if there's one person who can survive an internet bashing or trolling, it's Kim.

She's got a big skin. She always comes out on top, let's be honest. She's bulletproof. Yeah. Kinda. But other than that, we like the music. I thought it was good, yeah. We all know that Taylor Swift plays pickleball.

Did you see that, did you? Really? Oh, wow. It's like a montage of it was playing pickleball, baking cinnamon rolls, doing like. Cooking for Travy. Doing her like leg extensions, a little gym moment for Taylor Swift in the video.

We got a little insight. Wait, who was she playing pickleball with? Travis? Well, unclear, but she had a Kansas City Chiefs pickleball paddle. Someone could assume it was with Travis. Yeah right you know Casey paddle anytime we get to see Taylor doing normal things You know it's pickleball normal though is that just like an LA thing No, it's cuz I'm not from LA and I never saw pickleball until I can

Like a thing like it's like a country club sport that became mainstream country club sport that became mainstream. Eh, kinda. Yeah, I'm like, yeah, I'm not gonna try not to hate on pickleball, but I hate on it. Whatever. I played tennis. I played tennis. Yes.

Tennis people have feelings about pickleball. If you play tennis, you're kinda like cheaters. But, like, I played for the first time over Thanksgiving up in the bay, my cousin lives in the the Bay and her husband is really into pickleball. And I'm like, fine. And then we went out and I'm like, OK, cool. I get it. I get it. OK. Cool. But like some of it, they were so extra with it, though. It was like, you're going to do all of these strokes and like ground strokes.

Just play tennis. You look stupid. This ball is so light. Like, just play tennis. If you're going to just play it like you're playing like drunk ping pong, cool. I wish you, but if you're trying to do ground strokes and shit, play tennis. Yeah, if you're gonna break your record out of anger. If you're gonna go baseline, baseline, play tennis.

You look stupid right now. That makes sense. That's my pickleball rant. But that said, I would love to see Taylor and Travis play with them. And I would play with them. Yeah, can we play doubles? Yeah, my mother. And I would play with them. And I'll play a light one. Yeah, can we play doubles? Yeah, for sure.

Uh, well. While I'm wearing skims. Eww. Oh. I'm kidding. Oh my god, they're going to come after me. I'm actually wearing skims right now. I'm obsessed with skims.

Yeah, they're pretty great. They're a good underwear. Also, friend of show. Sponsor. Well, the clothes are just great too. Even just like, not just the handover and stuff. Anyway. Do you think Taylor put on some skims and just like not just the handover and stuff. Anyway. Do you think Taylor put on some skins and was like, fuck.

No, she wears skins. She wears them in the privacy of her home. Exactly. It is too good not to put on. She's like, can't admit it. Yeah. You know who's going after Taylor? She's in her soft era, but also going after Taylor.

We won't get into it again, to Vanderpump later on the episode, but Lala Kent is bizarrely going after Taylor Swift. Did you see that? I did, yeah. Why Lala? The Lala endless press tour. I mean, launched into the universe

after that reunion taping, endless. Endless, just full offensive. Also, you know, the fact that James Kennedy was so happy that Taylor and Travis had been at his DJ set at Coachella and then Lala goes after Taylor. Like it's just, I don't know, it's weird. Like Ali is a huge, like there's no bigger Swiftie

than Ali Luber, James' girlfriend. Like I don't know. Lala, calm down. It's really bizarre. And for those who don't know, Lala basically said that she's heard from multiple sources that Taylor and Travis's relationship is all for PR. That's what Lala Kent has claimed.

Which is a, that's a rather strong accusation to make. She did use the word allegedly to cover her ass. She was worried about being sued by Taylor. That wouldn't be my biggest concern of our Lala. It would be more activating the Swifties who don't care if you say allegedly. Yeah. Oh, right, right.

They just care if you put out the rumor. We'll get more obviously into Lala later in the episode, but I can say from sources, or a source, and I don't know who Lala's sources are, but my source is watching the Super Bowl with Taylor Swift. And it's a very real relationship. It looks very real to me. It does too.

And real, when I was asking my source about all the, exactly, she doesn't, what does Taylor, why would Taylor Swift do this? She's bored alone, she's like, you know who I wanna help right now? The NFL. Truly. You know what, you know who needs my help?

I mean, I know the NFL has benefited from Taylor Swift, but of all the organizations who don't need more success, if you're gonna help a sports league... Help pickleball, girl. The WNBA. Oh, WNBA. Yeah, like they're fighting for their lives. Women's soccer, like just women's sports. I just don't think this is the one that Taylor Swift's like, you know what, NFL needs my

help. I also saw the clips of them at Coachella and like they were so freaking cute. They're so... Like him like lifting her up. They're so cute. I mean, he's so high. He's so big and everything. I mean, just lifting her up.

I mean, Ali's favorite moment at the Super Bowl and she was like telling her security like I'm all good I've got him. Yeah, come on. Yeah, like she's not she good. She's not She's not Best life with him he's so obsessed with ruining her Swift who's paying her to hang out right Travis like, you know what I mean? Apparently it's an NFL conspiracy according to Lala in multiple sources. Well it's like grab the tin foil hat for me. Because I've also heard that it's like it's all a political play for like the elections and all these things. And I was like we do need them to stay together until the election.

Agreed. But it's like the whole thing is that it's like your country depends on you girl. I don't think they got together for that purpose you know right they're making cinnamon rolls together truly playing pickleball This could not be more real are they stoned? He's lifting her up they're carrying on like They're living their best, I love them. I really do. I look like I smoke weed. Yeah. In the off season.

Lavender Haze? This is just wild fan speculation. This is more of a, I hope. Is that her strain? I don't know. I just know there's a song called Lavender Haze. That is a song. Somebody has to have that as a strain.

Because there's the purple haze and the lavender haze. I would actually smoke that. It's endorsed by Taylor Swift, right? It's a hybrid It's a little bit of Tiva a little bit of indica but a little bit of CBD and a nice hybrid. Yeah. Yeah Happy 420. Yeah I'm close. Wait. How are days of? Wait, that's right.

Yeah, I'm going to. Two days off. Yeah. Yeah, I did smoke weed on 420. Good for me. Yeah, I did a lot of, yeah. Didn't even know. I did a lot of weed on 420.

Part of the reason why Kate is here is because a couple weeks ago, we had the pleasure of interviewing Monica Garcia from Real Housewives, formerly, previously of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. When the episode dropped, I was getting text messages from Kate. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

I was getting live updates. She's like, I'm an hour in the episode. Here are my thoughts. Like, you need to come on the show and do this. Yeah. After like the fifth text, Nick was like, do you want to come on the show and talk about this? I was like, yes you wanna come on the show and talk about this? I was like, yes please.

Amazing. Kate, as you guys know, works for Variety, and as many of you know, following the season of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, did a wonderful interview with Heather Gay, Andy Cohen, the showrunner of Salt Lake City, and another EP. The woman who's the in charge of it at the production company, shit.

And to kind of talk about, I guess, really the producers and Heather's side of the Monica fiasco, the reality of artistes. When we interviewed Monica, I mean, I don't think anyone's harder on Monica than we were. You were really good. You were really, you grilled her. Yeah, you grilled her and even before we interviewed her my stance was I felt very triggered when I remember Watching it all go down the finale and I this first time watching housewives that I ever gasped

Mmm, you know someone who's you know knows how the sausage is made very few moments, or I'm always like, okay, you know what I mean? That was special though. That was a very special moment. Yeah. I mean, big time of the best. It broke the fourth wall, in a sense. Smashed it. Absolutely smashed it.

Knowing what it would be like to, you know, be, you know, I could, it was very easy to put myself in Heather and the rest of the women's shoes, thinking about what it would be like to become friends or friendly or colleagues or even professionally working with someone who was secretly trolling me behind

an anonymous fan account. And so I was very triggered, being like if I were Heather, I'd be like fuck this person, I'm dead to you, yada, yada, yada. So we interviewed Monica and I figured, okay, well, I wanna hear her side. And she was convincing for us. Guys.

She. Now, before we give Kate the floor, I'm with you on, I felt like her story about telling these two mythical casting producers that somehow, like Monica allegedly said that she was part of Réailey Avantis and then they magically either got fired or disappeared without passing that very important information along, but they still pass Monica's information along

without passing that information along. Just let it go. That seems suspect. Right. No one will ever know. Yeah. You were convinced by the ceases. The ceases I thought was a bit of a smoking gun.

I was like, it's public record, it's out there. I will say, and I'm really curious what you have to say, Kate, but my takeaway, I guess, I think all of our takeaway was, I don't know how, I'm not saying, I definitely don't believe everything Monica's saying, but she convinced me enough that I was like, I guess I see where she's coming from, especially mostly on the, what seems clear is that she wasn't friends with any of these women at all, ever. These women didn't seem like they really did much to go out of their way to make her feel welcomed.

So, Monica's kind of stance is like, I don't really care about these people and fuck it. And I guess it's hard to argue against that. And I will say she is messy and fun and excellent television. And the fact that she came on here and out of nowhere dropped her pregnancy announcement Oh all while in a relationship. I mean, I don't you even have a look about that I don't it's a you like that. She had an answer for everything. It's she's she doesn't back down she's almost a year to come up with an answer for everything and Months since she flopped at the reunion not answering anything. She definitely did not answer anything at the reunion.

So what do you gotta say, Kate? So, where do I start? Okay. Start from the beginning. So, I basically feel like, by the way, I would not want Monica even to know my name. So I'm scared, and I might. Should I be scared?

No, cause she loved you. So, like, she loved you guys. I would like to find Lala and be in whatever bunker she's hiding in now that the Swifties are coming out after her. But I just, I feel like... You're, the way you personalized it was so effective to me, because you just kept saying, if I had hired someone or if I was working with someone who had run a troll account, you know, attacking me, here's how I would

feel. And that was a very effective way of getting her to, I mean, those were traps I felt that she fell into. But yes, the casting thing, that's impossible. She later corrected herself. She corrected herself on this podcast saying, it was just these producers who came to her house. But, I mean, Heather says that she found out in Bermuda, she maintains that. They all say that they never would have cast her in the first place. They will love mess.

They don't want that kind of mess. Like, and if they had known from the beginning, if the show had known, if the women had known, then why didn't Monica, during the finale, say, you guys have known this the whole fucking time? Like, why wasn't that what she said? And why didn't she say that at the reunion? She did say that at the reunion. She just got shut down right away.

I will say, Monica's stance here was that she either didn't get an opportunity because everyone was coming after her, or it didn't make the cut, which is a believable angle. No. No, it's not. I mean, why? But why? Like they don't want someone who is a troll on the show.

Like I truly believe that. I believe that. When you say they, are you saying producers or are you saying the woman? Bravo in general. Yes. The producers. That breaks the show. That breaks it.

I've talked to show runners of other Bravo shows who are like, this like is disruptive in a way. Like this has fucked up other shows. The idea that a troll can get cast is very upsetting to the entire ecosystem. Yeah, yeah. No, I can concur and I work with Bravo, I have relationships with them.

Sometimes I feel like I'm trying to invent certain people in that organization to almost modernize how they make the show and kind of embrace the ecosystem of pop culture, because I think sometimes they are old school to their detriment. But I agree with you that like, the idea that they would be down for this,

I don't buy it all. Because I do think, people think that like, anyone who's making these shows, they'll do anything. They're not, they don't want to lose control of I guess how everything is made. And letting Monica in, if they had known she was reality of aunties, is, as Kate is saying, it is such a problem that it's gonna create more problems

than, you know, like they're so short sighted. She exposed the holes in that hole. It's so short sighted that they don't want that. Like they're not gonna blow their wad on just one season for real houses. You know, they're gonna set this new precedent on the Real House of Salt Lake City just to make sure that season four is a hit.

They're just not gonna do that. They're not that desperate. It was a really good season already. And by that, like that whole, like Heather, when she, what she says is that when she found out for real and Tanisha sent her all the receipts that this was Monica's reality, Vontiz.

She literally was like, we have been told multiple times not to bring things that happen on the internet into the show because the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are for whatever reason of and on the internet more than other casts. Like things that happen, like things that affect them. And it might have to do with Utah culture also, maybe, kind of multi-level whatever, like scammy things. Well, I told you, Kate, before we recorded, since that interview, I've never had so many messages

from the people of a particular city, everyone claiming to, there's a whole rap argument. There's Lisa Barlow, like people are just coming out of the woodwork saying bizarre things. Yeah, like bizarre messages of like, you need to know this now that you had monocom. Holy shit. Yeah, I mean, it happens all the time

and they have been told nothing that happens on the internet is interesting. Keep it on the show, keep it on the field. Like this is a playing field. And so, Heather was like, am I gonna be allowed to bring this up at dinner to expose Monica? Like... Like, I don't even know. And so she had to meet with

with Lori Gordon, who's the showrunner, who was there in Bermuda, and say, I have learned something. I mean, obviously they'd busted in to her room so they knew something was happening. But she was like, I have found out. I mean, obviously, they'd busted in to her room so they knew something was happening. But she was like, I have found out something very upsetting. Monica is Reality of Antilles.

And all of them were like, who the fuck is that? Like, we have no idea who Reality of Antilles is. And then they didn't know, like, Lori Gordon says she's not on Instagram, she doesn't even know about this. It had never come up. They had never discussed it as a cast. Like, there's a troll who's attacking all of us. Like, so when Heather was like, I want to tell the other women, she had never discussed reality of on tease with Lisa, with Whitney, um, you know, with Meredith. And so she was like, I don't even know whether they're going to have the same reaction that I have. So when

Lisa started crying, like the second she like saw Heather's face, like she was like, I felt very validated. And I knew that this was, we were all gonna be, like in the big little eyes scene on the beach, like that we were all gonna be as one with this. Like united as a cast in a way that they never have been before. And so the plan for that dinner

was they were gonna expose Meredith. Like, it was like they had something like this, like, you know, like, expose Meredith for sending the DMs about Angie being in the mafia. You know, like, that was what the... That was the last night of filming, and that was... And so the plan changed. And, you know, it was all... I mean, Heather was like,

the second I found out that I was gonna be allowed to do this, I started writing my speech, you know? But the receipts, proof timeline, screenshots, that was like from what Monica said. So that was like a brilliant ad lib that I have on a candle from Etsy at home. But, yeah, I just feel like, you know, the whole thing about the cease and desist,

it's not under the name, like like why does she have so many names? But you know, it's not under the name that she went onto the show as. Like how are you even gonna find that? Like I am a reporter who's like pretty good at my job. I have tried to find that in public records and I have been unable to. And you can't find the. No, I mean now I can, it's all over the place.

It's all over Reddit, but like, you know, it was sent to Monica Fowler, you know, it was sent from Jen Shah, like, who's not telling the other women, by the way, reality of on Teases, you know, who's been posting video from inside of my house. Do you think there's a possibility that Monica

knew that C-Synthesis was out there? And maybe she knows as much about C-Synthesis as I do, which is not much. And just assuming, well, they all, she just kind of told herself that these women must know. That's possible. But you know, what Lori Gordon and Lisa Shannon said,

the people who were, like, behind the show, they said, you know, if Monica, if this had ever come up, like, or if Monica started feeling like, I'm getting to know these women, I'm getting to like some of them, I love Whitney, you know, whatever, I have a secret, like, they would have helped her confess to them, like, that would have been a great plot, you know?

Like, I need to tell these women this thing. Like they would have said, you know, let's film it, let's figure it out. Like who do you want to tell first? It would have been a shock thing. She would have been like, I realize now that I've gotten to know you, I feel this guilt. And she could have come like contrite and then the women could have been torn. She even could have played the reunion differently. She could have actually been sorry. And I don't know why she's not. I don't know why she's not. And she signed her death warrant at that reunion.

If she wanted to come back, there was a way. You think there was a way? I think there was a way. Yeah. I mean, maybe not. Maybe the women definitely were united against her and had talked to Andy at BravoCon about why it was so important. You know, there wasn't a Real Housewives of Salt Lake City

panel at BravoCon because they didn't want all of them on stage together until the reunion, which they like lied and said, oh, we're trying to mix it up this year. You know, I mean, I just find it to be like the thing that she can't explain is why didn't you talk about it on camera if you thought the women knew?

Like, that was your best question, I thought, of many good questions, but, you know, like... Like, if you all knew this, then why didn't it come up? You know? I have a question, and I'm not sure if you can answer, because it's obviously, like, Heather's opinion. Obviously, like, Monica said that Tanisha, her hairstylist, was also a part

of Reality Von Teese and that she was the one that gave Heather the information. So why does Tanisha get a pass for being a part of it, but Monica doesn't? What makes you think Tanisha's gotten a pass? She still works for her. Or at least she was after all of this came out. She posted her. It sounds like Tanisha no longer... I don't know if that's the case. I don't know if Heather would ever say, like, I don't know if that's the case. I don't know if Heather would ever say like, I don't work with Tanisha anymore.

I don't think she wants to say that publicly, but like. Well, why not? Why? Well, I mean, cause she doesn't wanna, Tanisha has been good to her, you know, I mean, you know. Well, what made Tanisha like hand over the seat? I mean, what Heather says she had a good faith of conscience. Yes, right. She had a Christ of conscience.

That's where I get lost a little bit, is this, again, back to if I'm putting myself in Heather's shoes, I can totally understand why Heather would be so triggered by anyone being a part of this, especially Monica. But if Tanisha is in any way involved, even if she is kind of behind the scenes, like separating herself from Tanisha is in any way involved, even if she is kind of behind the scenes like separating herself from Tanisha,

but publicly like, you know, not want, you know, Tanisha's been good to me, but why is she showing grace to Tanisha, but not Monica? Yeah. She wouldn't have known, I mean, I can't speak for Heather, but like, I think she would say, I wouldn't have known this for a fact. Tanisha did send them all of the videos about, like,

Monica stalking Jen, what was it, 20 times that they said during the reunion? Like, that is not normal. Like, and the fact that she claims, I don't... Like, how do we know that she was a witness against Jen Schott? Like, I don't know that any of these things are true. You have a hard time believing anything more. I do. I mean, and again, Monica, don't.

I'm scared. I'm scared. You know, but I just, to me, it's like, she's like, if she's talking, she's lying. And also like, it didn't, and I don't, reality of on tease on Twitter was tweeting the entire season and talking shit about all of them.

I don't know if that was Monica, I kind of assume it was, but the Twitter account was like, you know, when they get to Bermuda and Meredith is sick and like has to be in bed, not in a bathtub and you know, and so like Meredith tweeted a picture of herself in bed and was like, this is what life without a bathtub is or something. And the Reality Von T's account was like, or withdrawal from Benzo's boo, whatever you want to call it.

And it's just like, did that come up at the reunion that this wasn't even, and all of that stuff has been purged. Like, that's not on the Twitter account anymore. Was Reali Von Teese talking shit about Monica throughout the... Nope. ...on social media at all? Yeah, Reali Von Teese was liking and retweeting... So Monica was the only person that wasn't getting lit up

by Reali Von Teese throughout the season? I mean, listen, again, I... Well, she knew by then that they all knew because they'd filmed the Bermuda scene. But I would have thought like she would have been coming, just to make it look like it's not you girl. Well, Monica's made it very clear that she doesn't give a fuck what any of these women think.

And so she's made that clear. And I still stand, regardless of getting to know Monica and her charming us, that like, if I'm Heather, you know, regardless of getting to know Monica and her charming us that like if I'm Heather I'm pissed. Like to me my read on Monica after interviewing was more like I would still be mad if I was Heather I don't know if she's telling the full truth, but I guess Monica explained her side in a way that made me go I mean I hear what you're saying I don't necessarily agree with you, but I guess I can see why Monica thinks this way. I think Monica convinced herself,

if nothing else, that these women knew. Whether she actually believed it or not, she just kind of convinced herself to justify that she was doing it almost. Another thing that works for Monica and against Heather is Heather's comments about Jen. Why did she say that? Why did she say that? Why did she say that?

It's just like, I hope Jen you're watching. Wanting, like still coming across as needing Jen Shaw's approval and validation, I thought was damning. And honestly, it kind of completely, it made me completely question Heather altogether. I think Heather is in an abuse cycle with Jen that we can't understand.

And the fact is, Heather was physically assaulted. She seems not to remember. I'm sure that's very scary. We're never gonna get the true story of that black eye. As someone who's interviewed Heather, who likes her very much, she did not cover herself in glory with that. And obviously, and she, I thought, delivered

a heartfelt apology and also to, like, the production and, you know, all the women and I don't know. I mean, that was like a moment where it was like, ooh, oh no, you know, like, why do you care what Jen Shaw thinks, you know? But I don't think any of us in this room understand the power of Jen Shaw, you know? Like, it seems scary to me and...

No, it could truly... I understand the power of Jen Shaw because I saw her boots in person. Her stilettos? Her stilettos, like Python. She was getting her hair done at my friend's salon in New York. This is before The Housewives like actually happened. And I walked into the salon and I turned, and the first thing I saw, I saw like these like thigh-high Python stiletto boots. And I was just like, ooh, who is, what is that?

And I was like, oh, hi, and she introduced us and everything. I was like, oh, okay. And then cut to, I don't know how many, I think it might have been like maybe a year or so later then it was like the housewives, and I was like, oh my god, that was the woman with those, and she wrapped those boots on the show. Yeah, I forgot. Was it snowing?

Cause she was known to like walk stilettos in the snow. I don't know if it was snowing. Yeah, yeah, you know what, those boots, you not really walk in. That's a power move. Yeah. That is a power move. Yeah. That is a power move. She's going from the car to the salon.

Exactly, and then back again, so. Small world. I don't think they knew. And I feel like, I don't know. I don't know how much she says. Can I play devil's advocate for a second? You love Monica. He does.

I love Monica, but I'm also a diehard for all Salt Lake City Housewives, Sarah knows. From season one, if you're on the show, I'm in love with you. I will say fan accounts and troll accounts are a thread within the whole existence of Salt Lake City Housewives, and that's where I operate on,

I think someone had to know at some point, whether it's the cast or production. Angie H, her and her husband had a fan account. For sure. Like Jen Shaw season two was tweeting stuff and then it was like, that's not me, that's someone else. So there's been arguments of trolling like throughout the existence of the show.

And then even like Lisa, she has gone and be like, I have four lawyers, like everybody has said they have resources. Timelines are like a big thing for the show. So for even Lisa to have like an issue with Monica, you would assume that with the history that she would have researched and had someone dig up a public record. Yeah, that's very obvious.

They do background checks, but it's like, how would I mean, the cease and desist. I you know, I don't really know why that would slip through the cracks, but the troll accounts are hard. I think easily. To your point, I mean, I think there's a huge misconception across the board of reality TV when it comes to background checks, whether it's The Bachelor, Love is Blind, or Housewives.

Anytime something comes out on these casts, people are just like, don't they do a background check? I mean. What kind of background check are they really doing? Not for a government job. Exactly. They're not trading like top secret weapon information where you have to.

Did they murder somebody? No. No. I'm saying more like socially though, is what I'm saying. Like not like an actual background check, but even like, Jen Shaw accused Meredith of having an FBI. But like, how do you do that?

I mean, think about background checks, you know, a photo comes out, it's like, did they post that photo? Or did someone, someone's friends post that photo? Then it comes out after that person gets famous. There's like so many layers of a background check. And think about background checks. They're not just doing background checks on the people who make it on the show, they have to do background checks

on the people that don't make it on the show. So you're talking potential hundreds of background checks that these shows and networks have to do background checks on the people that don't make it on the show. So you're talking potential hundreds of background checks that these shows and networks have to do. They don't have that type of bandwidth. So yeah, they're not doing a huge deep dive on background checks. I don't think it's the network though. I'm thinking like, I'm saying personal

because even this like recent season, it's rumored that one of the new housewives has another fake account. So in my head, I kind of operate on the idea that even like the making a scene with Variety to me, as an audience member, seem kind of operate on the idea that even like the making a scene with Variety to me as an audience member Seemed kind of like like clean up like damage control of like we went to them with that We had to beg them to put that it's funny because on the and the YouTube all the comments are like this is PR

I'm like, yeah, you don't understand the hoops We had to jump through to get this done like we had to you know force it and so that was not an easy thing to put together. And they didn't necessarily want to address it. And it's also like I had to, with the two executives, I had to say when I interviewed them, I was like, this is gonna come out after the third reunion episode. I've heard Monica isn't coming back,

can you talk about that? And they, so we were supposed to break that news, but then Dave Quinn from People, you know, earlier in the day, so damn it Dave. But I think they wanted to clear it up, but it wasn't something that was, we really had to push for that, so. That makes sense.

It is interesting that you say that though. Last week we interviewed Gertie from Real Housewives of Miami. Love Gertie. And it was like, I will say that my takeaway, I'm fairly new to Miami, but you're right, it seems like completely two different worlds. It seems like Real Housewives of Miami is a group of women that are all performers and like they're to make a show

and they're kind of, it performers and like they're to make a show and they're kind of it almost seems like they're playing characters where real housewives of Salt Lake City it's like they're out for blood like this is it's a whole they are they are the real housewives of Salt Lake City where the real the real it's like the real housewives of Miami where like they're all this kind of it's that's the impression I have they're kind playing a character, they're playing a role. They're kind of pretending to be messy. They don't really care, but like housewives, again, like Meredith, you know, she's just,

she's doing all these, she's getting tea and dirt on people. It's like, if you're watching, don't piss off Meredith, just because she might find, you know, shit on you. It's just like- Want me to say what I know about husband? Right. They got something to prove in Salt Lake City, I feel like too, because like, they got slept on for so long. Yeah. You know shit on you Because like they got slept on for so long yeah

And those bitches are ruthless they messy as hell up in the mountains the altitude does something to you Yeah, like I don't know what they're doing up there, but like yeah, it's a totally different like Bye. All right. We'll move on from Monica. But I will say this, my one takeaway, the final thought. What I think what Monica was able to do, at least for me, is at least get me to be open-minded to the fact that all these women are just, have their own angle, they're that messy, and this was just Monica's way,

and she's just operated under the assumption that like, what's wrong with my account when they have all their bullshit and shady shit that they're doing? You know what I'm saying? And she's just like, she just sees them as hypocrites, and it's almost, it's kinda hard to argue against that. Because while I know how I would feel if I were them, I am also not doing some of the other things that her, I don't argue against that because while I know how I would feel if I were them,

I am also not doing some of the other things that the Merediths and the Heathers seem to also be doing when they're playing the game. I don't know, I feel you on that kind of if I feel Monica like that. She seems to, I mean, again, Monica, I'm scared of you. But she says I have a 3,000 square foot house, as if we're supposed to feel sorry for her about that.

Yeah. And then someone found it on Zillow and was like, it's... ...f***ing worth it. You know, like, it's like, she can't tell the truth. So, I wish her pregnancy well. And... Oh, he broke the news. He broke the news.

She's pregnant by who? Did she say who? Braxton. Braxton, he is 10 years her junior, I believe. When they went on the snowmobile trip? With Heather and Monica. Oh, oh my god. Wait, so how many, this will be five or four?

No, this will be five. This will be five She would have been fun to watch this season I mean, I feel like she's gonna come back like like sit out a seek a cycle or two And then everyone will forget him and then she'll come back She was she was a good bookend for like the genshawe era of solid city Like I think she served her purpose and it was good that there's like a close on that now Yeah, they just they just wrapped I think They're done filming season five, so. They filmed in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

I know, that was a cast. I'm from there, which is why I was like, I messaged Whitney when I saw the photos, I'm like, why are you guys in Milwaukee? They get really shafted on the cast trips. Like the Bermuda was, that was great for them, but like the San Diego, Airbnb. We're going to San Diego!

Everyone's like, yay. This is a funny thing that when Jen Shaw was there, there was jokes from the Housewives that because she was in active litigation, they couldn't leave the country. That's why San Diego happened, because they couldn't go anywhere else. I was gonna say that wasn't a joke.

That was absolutely true. That was bad. Yeah. I don't know. I don't think she had her passport. Right. No. All right.

Speaking of passports, anybody see the Spice Girls reunion? It was really epic. I did see the photos, yeah. No, wait, at their birthday party? Yeah, David Beckham posted a video and all five girls are together. Oh my God. Doing their old choreography.

And I went to the Spice Girls reunion, like what, 10, 15 years ago. Like seeing that just made my little inner child, they were also my first concert. So it was just like, my little inner child was like, this is epic. Sick of child, they were also my first concert. So it was just like, my little inner child was like, this is epic. Sick is sick, that's what I think of. That's amazing.

Are you too young to appreciate the Spice Girls? I know wannabe. Aw. So I know they're the main one. Yeah. They were pretty big. They were huge. Massive.

I know they're big. Yeah, I know how big they are. They were huge. They dissolved by the time I was popped out the womb, I think. Aw. So, yeah. She's crying. Adorable.

It's like most people figured out who David Beckham was when he started dating Victoria. A thousand percent. Right, that's right. She put him on the map for a lot of people. It's kind of like your first Taylor and Travis. Yeah, that's a good analogy actually, yeah. Yeah, they're like their first, they are. Yeah, that's a good analogy actually.

Yeah, they're like their first, they are the true Royals. David Beckham and Victoria Beckham are my Royals. When that docuseries came out, my boyfriend comes in and goes, you're watching a documentary on David Beckham? I'm like, no, I'm just waiting for Victoria. But like it did make me fall in love with him so much more and just the both of them as general. Like I'm obsessed obsessed I bow down.

He's the only celebrity I'd stick a selfie with. Where did you meet him? I was at a coffee shop in Venice. I've told this story a few times but I was living in Venice at the time and I saw him and I'm like, oh is that David Beckham? And he drove a Lamborghini, he parked it, he got a parking ticket and he was actually frustrated about the parking ticket. And I'm thinking, David, you're so rich, who cares?

I thought this to myself. It's the principle. It gives it celebrities, they're just like us. And then I was like, hey man, I'm a big fan, can I have a pick? And he graciously said yes. And then I've, I've told this story multiple times. I've been asked to take a pick or two in my day.

And I always get the, it's for my mom, it's for my grandma, and I'm always rolling my eyes because it's like, okay, that's fine. You don't wanna call yourself out. But I'm taking a picture with David Beckham, mid selfie, I go, my sisters are gonna love this, and I thought to myself, what are you doing? I go, I go, I'm like, this is for me. I'm sorry, I don't know why I said that.

I don't know why I said that. And then I'm like, I have a small following. Do you, if you're, are you okay if I post this? He's like, no problem. And then he commented on it. Oh, nice. That's so cool. He was very, very gracious, very lovely.

What color was his Lamborghini? I believe black. Wow, you know what? I respect that. Yeah. I could be wrong. I was like, God, please let it not be yellow. Very handsome in person. Yeah.

I don't think there's anything that man can do that's not sexy. I'm sorry. Yeah, that's true. Like he is just cream of the crop. Even the way he parked the car. Truly. It's really great. And the way you got that ticket.

Right? Although, I mean, I will say, like, if I do, I feel like driving a Lamborghini and being David Beckham is kind of an ick almost. If I was gonna be critical, cause you're David Beckham and you're already kind of drawing attention to yourself. What do you want him in, like a Honda Civic?

Yeah, he can't be low key that dude, I don't think. Like a Prius? Yeah, I might say. I would kind of love it. He like is responsible for like the resurgence of the LA galaxy. Like I'm like at that, I'm assuming at that time if he's living in LA that I'm like of love it. He like is responsible for like the resurgence of the LA galaxy. Like I'm like at that, I'm assuming at that time if he's living in LA that I'm like, come on.

It's just like, I guess a Lamborghini in general in LA is kind of like, you can't go fast. That's not, that's true. Where are you going? That's not low key. I'll take a Lamborghini in LA any day over a Lamborghini in Manhattan. Like when people drive like cars like that.

And I'm like, where are you going? Where you going? Is there much of a difference? There is. At least in LA, you have freeways. You can take the two up into the canyons and stuff. You can do some things. Malibu.

Yeah, it's not the same thing in New York. Gridlock traffic. Well, happy birthday to Victoria. It was a wonderful party. We all wish we were there. Aw, yay. And it's good to see all the Spice Girls together. They're all looking great too. I know, I'm like, reunion tour, reunion tour, part two, please. When was that good to see all the Spice Girls together. Yeah. They're all looking great too.

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What's your favorite storyline of Summer House this season? The season, I mean, I don't know if it's my favorite, but the one that's kind of like, ugh, I mean, the Lindsay and Carl thing is really uncomfortable. For the first time, I was mentioning to Kate before we started recording, for the first time this season, I was Team Lindsay. I think it's a very interesting discussion when talking about how you support your partner

in their business career, and I think it's very nuanced. And depending on kind of like where you are at in life, and how you're watching the show, it can be very, again, nuanced which side you take. Because you could watch it very easily and have B Team Carl all season, and Lindsay with her very directness or harshness can be like, this is more of the same of Lindsay

just kind of beating down Carl and being hard on him. That wouldn't be that hard of a take to have. Except that like in reality, in life, there are doers and there are dreamers. And we all know a dreamer or two. We know those people who every couple weeks they have a million dollar idea, a can't miss idea, and they're very good at selling it to the point

where you're like, oh, that's, maybe, maybe, maybe, non-alcoholic bar would be like a smash hit, I don't know, but like, but also probably not, you know? And the more I heard Carl talking about his frustrations with Lindsay, the more I sided with Lindsay, because maybe Lindsay lacked the tact or the softness that maybe she can learn from Lala. But yeah, Karl kinda seems like a bit of a dreamer

and at this point they're upset to be married and these are some of the tough conversations young couples have to have where it's like, hey man, are you gonna, like, at some point I need you to produce. You know, and yeah, I don't know what you all think, but I kind of understood where Lindsay was coming from. I agree, because I mean, I think all along

I was kind of like, come on girl, relax. And then it's like, ooh, there's a lot going on between the two of them. And it's like, you're right, it's like very nuanced, but I think in the beginning it was sort of easy to sort of side with him because of her, how she comes across or her methods or whatever. And then I think just like how the girls on the show

were like, oh, damn, we've kind of felt bad for her. Because like when she starts revealing like sort of what's going on in their lives. I mean, she's saying a little too much about their sex life, poor guy. But I mean, she's being real about what she's going through. Then it's like, oh damn, she's a human being. They're both kind of going through.

I mean, it's not, it's just, ugh. I feel bad for both of them, really. For both of them. You're right, at the same time. Before I didn't, and now I feel for for both of them, really. For both of them. You're right, at the same time. Before I didn't, and now I feel for her as well. I see Lindsay's side, but the more she talks, the more she's like, you two aren't compatible. Right, right.

Lindsay's looking for a finished product, and Carl's not, and she is doing the classic case of trying to coach him up and trying to fix him and trying to make him in the man that she wants. But she's not looking for potential, she's looking for a finished product and expecting him to be a potential. And whether Carl is a dreamer or not,

every partner does, in Carl's defense, wants someone who does believe in them and that supports them. And someone does need that. And if you don't have that, then it's kind of like you guys just. Yeah, what are y'all doing? What are y'all doing? Yeah, so back to Carl's argument, you know

Lindsay comes here and just like it was blindsided Lindsay could not like the fact that Lindsay came on this show and talked about being Blindsided and her argument for this I don't see how she's gonna come back from that Yeah, it's like that's my worry for Lindsay Like I like both of them my worry and I think Kyle said this on the after show this week, the after shows have totally changed the way these shows have gone, by the way. Like, the fact that they hear each other talking shit before the reunion, I think, is like a big actual factor

in how these are gonna go. They're so good. They're so good. And Summerhouse started doing them only recently, but Kyle was like, blindsided? Like why? You know, like I just don't understand how that will ever go over. But yeah, I mean, the thing that is also weird about some of these shows sometimes is that Carl can't say, actually, I'm a reality TV star and I'm on a show that we're both on

and that's how we met. You know, like, I am well paid. He does have a job. Yes. He has a job. And, you know, so that part is a little tough and kind of frustrating actually. Like, I know that Bravo really hates breaking

the fourth wall, which is, I think, what you were mentioning, you know, but it's like- Bravo needs to figure out a happy medium. Yeah, because it's just not a genuine conversation. Like, we're working right now, Lindsay. Like, I am working. You're TV stars. Exactly.

You have millions. At the bare minimum. Lots of followers on Instagram. Millions, yes. He hasn't, you know, monetized it in the way she has. Like, she used to have a daytime, day job and doesn't anymore. She really worked her way up in publicity,

friends of mine who totally know her from when she was an assistant. But he has a job. Yeah. That's the part where I wish Bravo would grow. They would adapt the new times to pretend they're not filming a TV show. We talk on Vanderpump. It says every week, Lisa Vanderpump has to give this condescending advice and sound like

a terrible restaurant manager because she's like, I should fire you. Well, of course you're not gonna fire her because they're your best TV. It just discredits their characters. I think there's a happy medium, you know? I think, for example, I think Lindsay could go to Carl and say, hey listen, like, being a reality TV star

can't be your only plan, because eventually the show won't be here, and what is your plan in five or 10 years? Because that's a legitimate question and a legitimate concern that Lindsay can have of Carl, of like, this can't be your thing. This can't be your plan. How are you gonna take this opportunity

and turn it into something sustainable that will support us and our family in years to come when this show doesn't exist? That's a real conversation. That's a real question. And like to pretend that Carl doesn't have a job is so disingenuous. I just don't know why the show does that.

I'm deeply worried about Summer House Season 9. Are they gonna do alternate weekends? Like, they can't be in the same house? So much of what's making this season so enjoyable is all the fighting of couples and the relationships. There's so much tension. Yeah. Do we know when we're gonna see the breakup? I would assume towards the end

because we still have to go to her bridal shower, which she shows up for. And I think it's like two weeks after that is when he pulled the plug. So it'll probably be the final episode. I like the final episode going into, yeah. That's what I would guess. And I also going back to what we were talking about

with Carl finding a job and whatnot, I can't remember where I heard this, but somebody said, don't fall in love with somebody for their potential. Because it's like you're creating- You're setting yourself up. Yeah, you're creating this image of who they're going to be and it's not fair to them and it's also not reality.

Also, and I will say I side with Lindsay this episode because it is, there's something very attractive about a person who knows what they want in life. And if I was in my 20s, I'd be like, okay. In my 30s, it's like, you know, and Carl's in his 40s. So it's kind of one of those things where it's like, this isn't cute trying to figure out what it is you want to do with your life while we're talking about walking down the aisle.

Right, but you also like got with him when he's in the state too. You know what I'm saying? Like you've known him for a minute because of the show. You've seen him. You know, you know, he's going, he's sensitive. I mean, I'm not trying to stick up for Carl, but sort of like also like don't day someone for the potential, but also like you also went into this. And now it's not what you think.

So well, Carl's the only one that's been through three different jobs, career switches on the show. Yeah, that's the thing. So it's like I get where Lindsey's coming from from that. This is who he is and was. So now you can't be like, well, you're not who I want you to be. Well, you should go with somebody who you want. You like for who they are.

Exactly. And you still can't say you were blindsided when all you have done all season is tell him how he's not good enough to be your husband. Right. Can they stop taking lifts and Ubers too please? Yes. I just, we need cameras on them at all times.

Truly. I have made this complaint multiple times. What do you mean? It's like the low deck does it. The two major fights that they've gotten into on their way back from wherever when she's accused him of not being sober, which is terrible and low,

and she's apologized for it since. They've both been in, you know, in rideshare cars. Yeah, like giant fights and then we're just like, so then we miss it because the cameras are right. And I think that in the episode since then, they've only been taking their cars with cameras in them, right? I mean, because, and Carl said that thing in a confessional where he was like, I wish

the cameras had been on when she said this to me, you know? And it's like, yeah, I wish so too, you know? It's like the Lisa Rinna, the sprinter. Oh, Denver. Yeah. Or Aspen. Yeah. But maybe Lindsay knows better.

That's right. Lindsay's no dummy. No, she's no dummy. Yeah. Aspen. Yeah. But maybe Lindsay knows better. That's right. Lindsay's no dummy. No, she's no dummy. Do we think Sierra's waiting for West's potential? No, I think Sierra's pretending to be in a relationship with West. Or she's just having fun with the sun. I think she's having fun.

I think it's always nice to know that somebody likes you, but it's not giving reciprocation to the fullest degree. The text message conversation from last week was, what was it? I miss you. I'm going to bed, I miss you, she writes back, same, see you tomorrow. It's never same.

Do we know whether they're, are they not, do we know? Like, I don't think they are. I don't think they are. Because when she was on Watch What Happens, with that, who's that hot guy she was on with? Oh yeah, Watch What Happens, like Tyler Cameron. Yeah, yeah. Oh, she was on with Tyler Cameron. Was she hitting on Tyler?

Well, I think, I feel like Andy kind of wanted to sort of like kind of get, cause they look amazing together. Yeah, I was like, Tyler was like, I'm just talking to somebody, I'm not like dating. Like he was trying to like downplay it. Yeah. But did West post pictures of, was it West who posted pictures of,

she went home wherever he went to visit. That's how we found out about it, I think, before the season started. It was like... Why is, you know, it's all coming from West. So, like, West wants this to get out there. She talked about it on that show too, but then, like, it doesn't seem like there's anything, because I guess he's younger than her,

which I didn't realize on the show that he's younger. And she's used to dating older. And then he kind of didn't have his stuff together, but then, like like they hung out. He got that job at Complex, we know that. No, he did, he has it now. Yeah, he has it now. Oh, he's got it now?

Yeah, he does it. I think he tweets all the time from, yeah, he's like the Complex social reporter. I love him so much. I do like him. It is a tough, it's a very tough beat though. He seems charming, he seems nice, but somewhere or somehow

Because of how he's played this relationship. It's kind of backfired because now He's trying he has to defend not trying to force Sierra into having sex with them. It's kind of a weird It's just weird So awkward like here's this nice guy we see seemingly nice every you know A lot of people are like, oh my God, I finally got a guy on reality TV. And then now it's all of a sudden like, well, I don't want to make her have sex with me. And she's using language like, it's my body.

Yeah, it's like, oh God. Just stay away from that. Don't touch that, yeah. But like, it was Wes's fault. I mean, he kind of made too many, like stop making jokes about the girl you're seeing not putting out. It's kind of a weird thing to say for an adult man. He has friend zoned himself.

Yeah, there was also a very telling conversation and maybe an episode or two ago where Paige had asked him how many times they've gone on dates and he said twice. Where I'm like, if you guys are on your fifth, sixth weekend but you've only gone on dates in the city together twice, why would you expect? Like if you guys are on your fifth, sixth weekend, but you've only gone on dates in the city together twice, like, why would you expect?

Like, if you guys aren't like having like, Netflix and chill nights or like dinner nights together, then I'm like, I'm not putting out after six weeks of seeing you every other weekend. Am I crazy for that? No, but I think in his defense, he really likes her and I think she's just like, well, this is a good storyline. I think it's a show man's for her.

I just wonder if he would have given more effort. Both, it's a show man's for her. I just wonder if you would have given more effort. Both, it's a show man's and a storyline. I mean, like, I mean, it's nice. You know, he's got a warm body. He's cute, he's fun. They're both goofy, so it makes sense. Yeah, exactly. They party, they're like having fun, they're snuggling,

but he ain't gonna get none, but whatever. She gonna keep leading them on, she's super high, he's drooling over her, she's having a great time, and whatever, keeping moving. I mean, I wish somebody, did anyone hook up with Balloon Guy? No. Did anyone, no one hooked up with him? I think in his street clothes. The moment he opened his mouth, he got aggressive with,

what did he say, who was it to? Did he get aggressive? I thought he said something kind of weird. I forgot who he was talking to, but it was the first time he opened his mouth, and he was kind of doing that thing where guys tease, you know, when they're trying to flirt. I think it was with Gabby, I think.

But it comes across as almost a little too aggressive and like, we're not that close and why are you teasing me in that way? Just shut up. It kind of felt a little awkward where it's just like, you're too good looking handsome and handsome to have to try that hard, you know? We all see guys like that.

The jeans really ruined it for me. The outfit, like when he came back. The outfit changed. But those are cosmetics. I mean, I feel like somebody still should have hooked up with him. I mean, like that's cosmetic. Shut your mouth, take your clothes off, be quiet,

come over here. Like somebody, they could have made it happen, I'm sorry. He can cook later. Right. Exactly. I don't know. I was disappointed no one hooked up with him. I'm saying this in front of Nick, but Summerhouse is so invasive.

I don't understand how anyone would get together for the first time with someone in that. You have a camera in your bedroom. I just don't, I don't mean- I mean, yeah, it is really invasive. I mean, yeah, it is paradise. Fancy sweets. It's like, well, I can tell you how. When Jesse puts the T-shirt over.

That was aggressive. Yeah. But it was also a courtesy for the woman, his partner. Sure. You know, like, and it's like, well, just so you know, they won't have the footage of it, but a lot of them like go in the bathroom and like the closet and whatnot, which I'm like.

They were making out in the hot tub. Wasn't they making out in the hot tub? Yeah. Or more. What kind of release is that? I don't want to sign that release. Uh-uh. No, I'm not signing that really it's But that's all she signed it for to that's that always blows my mind when I watch those scenes

I'm wondering so is it like sort of like okay? You can show me in the hot tub and but you can't show me my in my panties I think you're signing a release like they're all standing there panties and like my guess is before they showed up on Set so to speak before they put on a mic and before they engaged, uh, they signed the release, but she signed a release and then got in the hot tub. You know, it's like she, she didn't sign the release and started thinking, okay, well I signed a release. I need to be more careful with my decision. She, she signed a release and she was like, let's get wet.

It's a choice. It is a choice. I mean, if you've watched the show, you know they're only gonna go so far with it, but it's just, it is weird to think about that footage existing in the world. I mean, the footage of people like, like in, in the bed and I'm like, oh, yo, they're going in. It's the getting changed for me. The getting changed is too much. I was like just staring at Jessie's ass for like far too long. It's the getting changed for me. The getting changed is too much. I was just staring at Jessie's ass for far too long. It's too much.

If you're gonna sign a release knowing that almost certainly your moment is gonna be hooking up with the fuck boy of the house. She wouldn't know that. You don't think so? You don't think she knew what she was doing? Met everybody out at a club one night and went home with somebody you know. I think you should immediately start an OnlyFans. Wait, what? Jessie? No, well, her I'm two.

Jessie has an OnlyFans? No, but I'm? No, well, her I'm two. Jessie has an OnlyFans? No, but I'm the girl who hooked up with Jessie in the hot tub. Oh, that's like publicity for it? Well, you could, it seemed as though she was down for her 15 minutes and it being in a hot tub, which no shame. Like, get yours, sign your release, have whatever you want to do. I'm not judging you, but like, you know, if you want your 15 minutes, capitalize on it.

She wasn't even identified by name. Oh, you mean, if you want your 15 minutes, capitalize on it. And you know- She wasn't even identified by name. Oh, you mean after that, she should have just started OnlyFans after that? Yeah, she's like, I mean, everyone like- Balloon guy should have an OnlyFans. Every character on Vanderpump, every new character is now like trying to start a podcast.

You got Joe doing Instagram Lives. I mean- What? That, yeah, Joe is in fact a sloppy Joe. Turns out. I think she owns James Kennedy Obology after this weekend. I do. Do you want to get into it? Are we done with Summer House?

Oh, Paige and Danielle. Danielle having the audacity. That was a great scene. Yeah, Danielle girl. To tell Paige that she's giving her boyfriend nothing, who you're not even close to her boyfriend. Do not give me notes on my relationship. And, who you're not even close to her boyfriend. Do not give me notes on my relationship.

And also, you don't have a boyfriend, girl. You don't have a boyfriend. She made such a good point with that. She goes, I have a job. I have a boyfriend. Why am I taking advice from you? And it's so true. It's always like people like that want to criticize what other people are doing, but it's like,

you're not the model citizen. But that's where the after show comes in, because then she tries to explain sort of what Amanda was like, well, you don't need to say it like that You can say it a different way. She's like, that's why I met but yes like girl pages response was great I love each so because she was just like my best friend in my head Look at what I like look at look at the results like look at how I've impacted his life Yeah, like I look at his hair now girl. Yeah, he's hot. She cleaned him up

Yeah, I love Craig and too. She cleaned him up. Yeah. Oh, I love Craig. And she made him independent, you know what I mean? Because I feel like in the environment in Charleston, everything, it's by now, you should be married, have kids, all this stuff. And he was really pushing that idea on her. And she was like, we're thriving right now.

Like, let's build our empire before we're sitting here trying to fit into the slot society says we need to. Yeah. And I love her. She's like her and Sierra's relationship remind me of me and my friend Nicole's relationship. I'm like, oh my God. And Sierra looks like one of my friends, one of my model friends from New York from back in the day. But what I love about Paige is also like she's like a modern woman.

She's like, I'm not thirsty. Like, I know what I want. I know my worth. I'm also soft. I'm also the only things, but I'm also driven. And, you know, I'm also soft, I'm also do all these things, but I'm also driven. And she's just like, I'm gonna live my life, I'm not trying just to be in a relationship for the sake of it.

I've got things I wanna do, you're gonna treat me like this, or else, or I'm out. She's like the standard. And she goes at her pace. Like she's doing for her man what Lindsay is failing doing for her. Carl is like, Lindsay is trying to coach him up

and have this positive impact and get him to do things. Where Paige is successfully having this positive impact on her man's life and change. People are looking at Craig and being like, there's something different about you. You're growing up, you're maturing, you're taking responsibility. And you can look at the start of him and Paige's religious

and directly correlate that change. You could give Nellie that credit for me in my life or segue into Vanderpump. I mean, look at like ever since Ali Brewer has been in James Kennedy's life. James Kennedy has been making some positive changes. He seems like he has this aspirations of maturity and growth and like James has a questionable past.

There's always all these rumors out there, but this is all to say at least with Allie, the impacts are obvious that she's had on James's life. And Paige is the same thing with Craig. And unfortunately, Lindsay is not the same way with Carl. No. But part of that, I think, is it seems like Craig has a lot going for him, and that maybe it wasn't a whole reclamation project.

They're on the same page, no pun intended, where maybe James Kennedy was willing to grow up and find his lane as a DJ, where Carl, he's still like, I don't know, non-alcoholic bar, I don't know. I think he's really sensitive, he's still like, I don't know, alcohol, non alcoholic bar, I don't know. I think he's really sensitive and he's trying to figure out his place and like he needs to either be by himself or if he's gonna be in a relationship,

it's like completely different personality and stuff. But they just, they're not, the math ain't math and with the two of them, unfortunately. Hot take two, like I would be very frustrated too if I gave you a year to figure out what you want, spent $20,000 on a life coach for you to come all the way. Oh, the life coach. Business coach.

Career coach. You can't really put a time limit on like, go now. But for you to come all the way full circle to be like, my God, I got it. Lover boy. You know what I mean? That would be very frustrating for me to watch. It would be a red flag for me to be dating someone, especially if part of my qualifications was to meet someone who was career driven, knew themselves and they told me that they hired a career or business coach.

No, you paid for that coach. It wasn't that he hired it, you paid for it. She paid for it? Yeah, Lindsay paid for it. That's for it. Yeah, that's on Lindsey Then I just saw I mean wait do we know they're both? Really that's just a poor choice of money Yeah, if you're spending twenty thousand dollars, that's that's a lot of money for someone who if they can Charge twenty thousand dollars as a career coach, they better be a zillionaire.

They better have a job at the end of it. Yes, the person who's coaching you better have just an amazing portfolio of success. I don't know who his coach was, but. I feel like they had the coach for an extended period of time, from what I remember. So I don't think it was just like a one and done session. I think it was like over a period of time,

a few months that racked up. Life coach, business coach, career coach. Coach, that whole coaching session. If they're not an actual coach. Sports. Of sports? Right, exactly. Red flag. Yeah, the whole life coach thing, that gets really murky and messy.

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social media and these Amazon lives and these after shows and the interviews. Again you got Lala going after Taylor Swift, going after Katie, going after Ariana. Do you have an opinion on why Lala is doing what she's doing? Last week, I said to me, Lala is just making a business choice. This is not show business. It's not show friends, it's show business, as they say in Jerry McGuire. But I feel like Sheena was asked a question about, she kind of contracted herself. She's like, she's not jealous and then explained that she's jealous. She explained that Lala's jealous.

She's basically like, Lala's not jealous. She just wishes she got the same sympathy for her breakup that Ariana is getting, which like that sounds like jealousy. But do you have a read on that, Kate? I think Lala is a huge star, and she makes great TV. And I really, what I really wanted for the season was for the women to just stick together

and have it be like taking down these men, right? And presenting a united front, which they did at the reunion last year and then in the Scandival finale. And a rising Scandival lifted all boats, right? Like, didn't Lala buy two houses from Send It to Daryl? Like, you know, like, she was in the Uber One commercial with Ariana, like, everyone should be happy

about what they got from the Scandival. The podcast was charting. Exactly. So, I'm sad about this breakup among these friends, and I'm also confused... And I think just from what I've pieced together, like, what's gonna happen at the reunion is that they've all been talking shit

about Ariana behind her back, right? And then... And this is not intel that I have, like, directly, but it just seems from listening to, like, the million podcasts that Bannerp Pump Rules throws off, Lala wants that brought out into the open, like, what they've all been saying about Ariana, and is like, we all need to tell the truth

about, like, how we feel about this. And then it gets very heated. And Ariana, obviously, is totally unaware of the fact that they've all been talking shit about her and then sees the show and sees this building and the after shows too. And I'm sure they all had their feelings. But Sheena said on that podcast

that Ariana did not watch, like all got the final seven episodes or whatever, and Ariana deliberately didn't watch them. Why not? I don't know. I mean, I wouldn't, First of all, I would crumble... Same. ...one minute into any of these shows, but like...

Same. But I wouldn't want to see it. And that seems like a binge that would be really hard. Especially the way the season went with the Sandoval redemption episode. The fact that Lala can go from calling him dangerous and a groomer to apologizing to him in his backyard. I forgot about that.

That was so weird. And it's just like, I get that Lala is like, we're on a show together and we have to make a television show. But this is only months, you've said this, like this is only months later and Ariana's life was blown up. And obviously things have been great for her. But that was just a thing that happened that was good. Like, that wasn't the first or second or tenth thing that happened.

Like, what first happened was she was humiliated on an international scale on, you know, March 3rd of last year, like, with her friend. And, you know, we can argue about the extent to which they were really friends, Raquel and Rachel and, uh, and Ariana. But, like, all of the things, like, Tom dressing as Rachel for Halloween, like... It's like these were things were all in her face.

They were lying to her. Her grandmother died, her dog died. Like, it's's just like these are so devastating and the fact that Anyone is questioning that she doesn't want to be in a room with him like I don't she should not be on the show anymore like she shouldn't and and especially because the story was Tom Sandoval's mental health because the story was Tom Sandoval's mental health, which by the way, just get him help. Like don't have, don't order Lala and Sheena

to be nice to him. Like say we're calling psychiatrists. Like, you know, like if Lisa's saying like, my brother committed suicide, I know this is a real thing. Like let's see them having an actual professional therapist, you know, and it doesn't even have to be on camera, but if they're actually worried about him, like, that wasn't the way to me.

So, like, I don't know. I'm sad about the season, and I hope for Ariana that she just moves on, because I don't think that this is in her best interest at this point. You know, they also can't fire her, like, right? If she doesn't want to do it, they don't... that this is in her best interest at this point. They also can't fire her, right? If she doesn't wanna do it, there's no real way for them to deal with that.

The PR would be a mess. It would be a disaster. And so, I don't know. I feel like- But her not watching the final episodes in preparation to the reunion doesn't help her cause. I know. But then there's the thing about-

Because she's not willing to do her job. Yeah. Right. But there's also the thing about how they made them watch the finale together Which I don't know whether that's true But like like on the reunion taping day apparent like I don't and again I don't know if that's that's just out there, but like I I haven't verified that but like So she might have seen that I saw an interview with Tom Sandoval on the Michael Rapaport show.

And he talked about having to binge all the episodes and how there was like this funny bit between, you know, Sandoval said he fast forwarded through, like, not his scenes, and then like Michael Rapaport gave him shit because, you know, comes across as like, you know, self-centered, but then you realize that kind of, honestly, that's what probably most people do.

So to me, that tells me that they didn't all watch it together. Just the finale. Just the finale is the one that they were given all seven episodes or whatever it was that was left in the season. But maybe she hasn't watched it. She's been busy. She's in Chicago, eight performances a week or whatever.

She does like watching TV though. She does, she does. So I don't know, I think she has time for TV. She'll make time for that. Anyway, I don't know, I'm sad about the season and it seems like kind of they're in an impossible situation. I don't know how they move on from this.

And I think maybe there'll be a bit of a break, you know? Like I bet the Valley goes into production sooner than Vanderpump rolls. Well, they started filming this season like right away, right, like I bet the Valley goes into production sooner than Vanderpump rolls. Yeah. Well they started filming this season like right away. Right, like it was like Scandival happened and then it was like two, three months after. It was in mid July because I know like Sandoval was literally on Special Forces with me

when they started filming it and we got done, we wrapped right before the 4th of July and I think Hugh went right into it. Yeah. So it was early July. You see him coming home at the end of the first episode. Wait, you were on that show, Special Forces? You won, man.

He won it. What? No way. That's so cool. I got tortured and everything. That is so cool. Yeah, I got to punch Tom Sandoval in the face. And carry him.

And carry him. Whoa. Wow, congratulations. That's excellent. Like I wanted to watch that show. I was like, it was one of those shows that I wanted to watch with my husband because I was like, it's a little too.

It's streaming on Hulu. Ah. It's available. Maybe I can get my husband to watch it with me. I don't know. Now you know the end, but. Now that you're watching, I have to watch it now. It's worth watching.

It's a good show. Oh my God. It's a good show. It's like anxiety. The thing about Lala, it's just, it's what I don't, I agree, she is a star, she's good TV, but it's like she's trying so hard that she's ruining her credibility.

It's so on the nose. Like even the whole Taylor Swift stuff, it's like, what is going on with this? And you're inserting herself into that now, people talking about him. And the things about Tom, she's too smart to sound this stupid. Filming with Joe. Filming with Joe? Weird.

Weird. And she goes, I'm soft, Katie. Fuck, it's like, I'm fucking soft right now. Holy shit. I said in someone's comments, I said in like comments on Instagram, I never knew I could grow to hate the word soft, but here we are. Like the number of times she says it

in the most aggressive way, like it's odd. It's odd. Do you get the sense that Katie really genuinely doesn't know why Lala's mad at her? Like- Offline? Yeah. And in private, she acts just as confused.

That's not good. The thing about Katie, obviously I'm friends with Katie. We produce her and Dana's show, That's not good. The thing about Katie, obviously, I'm friends with Katie. We produce her and Dana's show, and so obviously I have a bias. But I will say the Katie I've gotten to know, you know, I think she's often, I think people with low energy are often misunderstood

as, you know, Debbie Downers or miserable. Katie's just consistent. The Katie I've gotten to know and the Katie I've watched through starting back on season one, she's just consistent. The Katie I've gotten to know and the Katie I've watched through starting back on season one, she's so consistent. It's always the same, yeah. It's always the same. She backs who she backs.

And yeah, you can, you know, swarch last week, try to, you know, throw in a little dig, be like, you know, Katie just expects you to have, like, loyalty. And I'm like, that sounds like someone who's good at setting a boundary as an adult and good at enforcing those boundaries. And like loyalty.

Friendships and relationships, just expressing a loyalty. A man who never had her back however many years of marriage, not once. Yes, and like, yeah. But from Swartz's point of view, and I guess Lala's, we're talking about a cast that one week they're so messy and they're screaming at each other

and the next week they're like hanging out. So I guess from the perception of these cast members, Katie and Ariana kind of taking this almost outside of the show adult like growing up mentality, I think is the only explanation I can come up with, it is so foreign to how they just operate in their world, that that's why they feel so justified to come after the Katie and Ariana,

because they're just not playing Vanderpump ball, so to speak, where I think everyone else is looking at this through the lens of, what would you do in this situation? And that's why no one's understanding Lala and Sheena when she backs Lala. And you know, Katie is just consistent. She's just like, I'm not upset with my friend

getting all these gigs and what do you want me to expect? I still think Sandoval's a piece of shit. You know, Swartz, what has he really done to change? You know, like, and people are just like, they're trying to get them mad at those two and it doesn't make any sense. I agree. It was the fight that Lala and Katie got into, it might have been last episode,

but the Firefox when she was talking about going to lunch with Joe. And it's just like one of those things where you've been friends with Katie for a really long time. Like why wouldn't you either talk to her about it or whatever, because it's like you have no desire to actually be it or whatever, because it's like, you have no desire to actually be friends with Joe. So it's like, and you know that it's gonna upset your friend

and you know how Katie feels about loyalty and yet you're like, it's, I'm in my soft area and it's like, no, you're making choices and extending this softness to people who don't deserve it and who haven't been in your life prior. Cause she did the same thing to Sheena a couple episodes too. Like they were kind of a must.

She clearly also doesn't care about, she doesn't care about Joe. So even if Lala is doing it, she is doing it for Lala so that she can prove her softness to herself. Yeah. That's the best explanation I can come up with. Everyone being confused about why Katie would hate Joe is one of these things where I'm like,

or do we exist on the same planet? Because Joe moved in on, moved in literally with Schwartz at one point, right? And I mean, I can understand that Joe feels jerked around by him, you know, that he was saying one thing to her, you know, in private and other things on camera. I mean, he set her up to make, to look like a fool, right? So, Joseph, ugh, it's disgusting.

Like that's me, like, what is that about? It's awful. It's also just like, it's desexualizing her in this way that is... But, you know, when Joe went on Rachel's podcast, it's like, these people are mean to you because you're dating her ex-husband. Like, that shouldn't be confusing to you, why Katie hates you.

Like, okay, she shouldn't have called her a crackhead. Sorry your mom saw that. But like, why is your mom, you know, anyway, whatever. But it's just, it's so strange to me. Like, it's not just mean girl behaviors. Like, it's, I mean, yeah, the crackhead stuff is kind of mean girl, but you are messing with her. Last week, I took the take that I thought

Jo deserves more accountability for leading herself on, which I think ruffled some feathers in the audience. But I do think after Jo's performance on her Instagram Live this weekend proved my point. And my... Unhinged, by the way. Wait, what did she... She went on a live, she talked about how good

Tom Sandoval was at the sex. What? She talked about giving him a head. Don't know why Katie did. I'm sorry, she talked about Swartz being good at sex and giving him a blow. Don't know why Katie didn't want his dick. No.

Yeah, no. Wearing earrings that he gave her. The sloppiest of jokes. The sloppiest of jokes. She owes. She owes. She owes James Kennedy an apology. I mean, you can't go on and be that sloppy and then be so offended that James Kennedy an apology. I mean, you can't go on and be that sloppy

and then be so offended that James Kennedy made merch. Well, she also taped herself eating a sloppy joke, cracking up about it. So it's like, you love the intention. That was kind of my point last week. I strongly believe in this kind of dating climate that we have that like, again, this wasn't me letting Swartz off the hook and saying he couldn't have been more upfront

and that he might have jerked around a little bit. And he didn't even deny that. It's just like, it's so easy to just, I guess, play the victim in this type of situation where Jo did find herself on a television show. She found herself being recorded in a relationship with Tom. I don't know how much she can claim that she was kept a secret when Swartz literally agreed to document that relationship. It also like Joe, Joe talking about Swartz reminded, I have a friend and I think we all have a friend like this, a dear friend I care very much about. And this

dear friend has been off and on in this situationship, let's say, with this person for several years. Now, I've never met the person they were in the situationship with. Think of Scandival, like, you know, describe the most misogynistic type of person. That's how this person's been described to me. Just like a real asshole, a real kind of prick, you know, says all the wrong things,

self-centered, selfish, maybe a narcissist, I don't know. I've heard- The person that your friend is in a- The situation- The situation, yeah. And I've heard this from everyone around my friend about the person I haven't met. They never really talk the shit about their person.

Now, my friend, when I'm around her, if she sees, like, if they're watching a TV show, she'll call out bad behavior in men all the time. Left and right, nonstop. She'll like, oh my God, this is disgusting behavior. Unacceptable. Unacceptable. How could you, how would you ever deal with someone like this? I would never.

And then cut to your own human girl. And this is a friend we're always like, they've been cheated on a couple of times by this person, they're in a situationship. And again, it's like a gray area because like, are they even really in a relationship? And there's a million other examples of why this person's a piece of shit.

But this is also the friend that we have to be like, we have to check in on them to make sure that they're not going back and giving them a third or fourth or fifth or seventh chance, you know? And it's just like, you're so quick to point out all this bad behavior, and you know, the obvious answer is like, it's a projection

and all these things. But I strongly think in Jo's situation, she led herself on. She wanted this. She wanted to be on a TV show. And her actions over the weekend, just doubling and tripling down, going on podcasts, eating the sloppy Jo, doing lives.

This is, to me, as a person who just wanted in on the circus at his Vanderpump, and she got everything that she wanted. And I think she's just playing the victim card to her benefit. I'm not in the business of defending Tom Schwartz and Tom Sandoval. It's been well documented in my questions to him

about his relationship with Katie, but I don't think Schwartz is totally in the wrong when it comes to the Joe stuff. I mean, Joe guessed it on the previous season. She obviously went on the vacations and did all the things with Rachel Sandoval. A hundred percent lied and said that she didn't know that they were having an affair.

That is a lie. That is a lie. Actually absurd. I mean, Swartz said it on your podcast. Like, he was like, yeah, she knew. And she said in the live that she still believes that her and Swartz will end up together. That's actually absurd. I mean, Schwartz said it on your podcast. Like he was like, yeah, she knew. Yeah, and she said in the live that she still believes that her and Schwartz will end up together. That's- Oh my God. Oh no, the way that she said like, we have to let him go to Coachella,

like talking about the new girlfriend. He was like, let him find himself and then he'll come back essentially. So he's moved on. Yeah, he's in a whole new relationship. He's in a relationship. Just saying, I love you to someone else. Yeah, full blown.

Girl, what are you doing? And then went on live this weekend and just, these earrings are actually from Schwartz. It was like, it was the most unhinged thing I've ever seen, to be honest. And her friend in the video, so there was a girl in the background who was like, her hype video.

Oh no. Like a hype person. But also the most monotone. Yeah, Joe would say the craziest shit and her friend would be like, yeah. No, this is amazing. But actually care about his happiness. Like it was literally just like one tone and then she's like, yeah, I do care about his happiness.

Like it was very, sounds unhinged. How could anyone watch that and feel bad for Joe? She got everything that she wanted out of this. You're getting the publicity. Including a sloppy Joe. Including a sloppy Joe. Which is delicious by the way.

For her sake and for Rachel's sake, this season needs to end. Mm-hmm. I feel like Rachel is decompensating as we speak. I said this to Natalie last night when we're watching it. The person, despite all the crazy things that Lala is saying and doing, despite Sheena, and Sheena, I honestly thought this

was a solid episode for Sheena. I thought her and Brock looked very sweet taking care of Ariana and coming in and helping Ariana organize. It doesn't seem like a strength of Ariana's, it's a strength of Sheena's. I think she was very endearing. But clearly we've documented the kind of crazy things

that Sheena has said throughout the season. But despite all that, the person who still looks the absolute worst this season is Rachel. And she's not even on it. It's unbelievable how poorly Rachel is coming across in season 11 of Vanderpump and she is not even on it. But she won't shut up about it,

she won't stop talking about it. They're bringing her all the callbacks. It's just amazing how bad she looks and the choices she has continued to make. It's just amazing how bad she looks and the choices she has continued to make. It's wild. Until this episode, when she went on the Bethany podcast, they were still in negotiations with her to come back. To be on the show?

Yes, to make an appearance. And so I was listening to her podcast, the drop after the episode, and she said that she didn't know that they were still filming. And I'm like, your team was negotiating to come back up and, like, that was her giving notice. Like, that was when Bravo and Evolution was like,

well, just not coming back. Like, it was the Bethany podcast that did it. They had kind of stopped communicating with them just right up until then. And that was that. So the fact that she says that she didn't know that they were gonna be reacting to the podcast on camera is just, I don't know. Like maybe she tells herself these things.

I mean, I don't know. To be fair, I agree with that fully because I'm also like even listening to the Bethany podcast when it came out, it was like, are you really going to try to gaslight us right now and tell us that what we saw like, you know what I mean? It was like her version of the narrative, but it's like, this isn't correct even from just an outside perspective, let alone like getting her personal. It's like you sound trained. You sound like you're trying to convince us

that everything that we've seen isn't real. It didn't do anything for her. So then to have the actual cast right now breaking it down, being like, well, we were friends, like, you go on Ariana's profile, there's pictures of you two together, just the two of you. Like, you guys were actually friends,

and you can't tell me just based off of an interview with Bethany that, like, oh, nope, she was never friends with them, there was never a real relationship, like, St. Evol was gonna break up with her. Exactly. She made an incredibly healthy choice in not coming back.

Like, I have total respect for that. Agreed. What we thought was a healthy choice. Right, exactly. And every step since then has seemed to have undercut that for herself. Well, that's the thing. Now that we've gotten more information,

I don't think it was ever a healthy choice. I think she sold it to us as a healthy choice. Meanwhile, I think her intention was always to try to monetize it her way. And I think she just got a bunch of bad advice from the wrong people, including Bethany, who clearly doesn't care about anyone but herself and very good at convincing people of the opposite.

And I think Rachel has proven to not be, I don't know. The most sophisticated. I don't know if she even thinks that way. Right, I don't even know if she even thinks that way. But like, if her parents convinced her and people around her convinced her, you know, do not come back, like she would have ended up dating him again, and after all of that time

in a literal mental health facility, like yes, move on, you know, but just it's been sad because I thought she was kind of doing interesting things on that podcast at first and then as the episodes have gone on, I'm like, oh no, no, no, no, don't do this, you know, like, I don't know, I want her, I mean, I don't, you know, she wasn't my favorite, but,

and she obviously did a terrible thing. I want her to be a healthy person in the world. I would want her to have a normal life. Oh, she could have been doing so many positive things right now. She could have, yeah, she could really be a voice for change and growth, and she could really. She's not at that place.

All her messaging could be about like recognizing and mistake and leaning into, you know, but now it's rewriting history. It's a new narrative. Sewing Ariana and Tom. Sewing Ariana and Tom. I've mentioned this, but when we were filming Special Forces, this wasn't aired,

but Tom came across to me as a guy who truly, however he defines love, loved and cared about Rachel. He brought, he snuck in photos of her and this wasn't like film. This wasn't like an on camera thing. This was like Tom trying to connect with his castmates on the show and talking about Rachel and like, it's fine that Rachel wanted to separate herself from Tom. But I do think it's still icky to me

that she is trying to use all the hate against Tom to try to benefit herself. And garner sympathy. The heartbroken Tom, we saw this episode, you can hate him all you want, you can use a piece of shit, but I think that was real sadness from Tom. And I think that was real heartbreak and disappointment.

And I think he genuinely felt betrayed by Rachel in this episode. I don't think that was an act. I think that was very sincere. It was like, damn, we did all of that, and now you only wanna talk to me? Like I really, yeah, I was like, damn, I kinda feel for him for a little while.

I kinda do. I mean, let's not go crazy. But I mean, I do wish also just that speaking of the, you know, like just the fourth wall, and I know that's kind of been the theme of this conversation, but like, I wish someone had said, I don't know who it would have been, LaLa, Sheena, someone, to Schwartz,

why didn't you make out with Raquel at Sheena's wedding when you knew that she'd already had sex with Sandoval? Like, that is the creepiest, creepiest thing and was still doing it that weekend. Like, we know that as a fact now. And I think that that needs to be answered for, and I don't know that Schwartz has ever been asked it. Every time I talk to Schwartz, often on the show, he, without getting into specifics,

he seems to allude to the fact that they are making a TV show. Right. And that sometimes they kind of do it for the story. That's the, he doesn't actually fully say that, but he kind of... Baby producing. He kind of suggests it. Raquel said that too, that she was kind of... It was kind of... Baby producing. He kind of suggested. Raquel said that too,

that she was kind of pushed into it by production. Pushed into... Making out with him. Making out with her. Yeah. It was like a tall table with two seats, perfectly lit, that nobody was sitting at. Like it's like, okay, this is set up for the next scene.

I do hate the word push by production, because just to like suss out that story, keep in mind production, if you sort of you being a conspiracy theorist, they didn't know about the affair at that point. Right, right. I do hate the word push by production because just to like suss out that story, keep in mind production, if you sort of you being a conspiracy theorist, they didn't know about the affair at that point. So them being like, come on, kiss Tom is not that big of a deal.

But when you say pushed by production sounds like, it sounds aggressive. And that's the way she said it. That's the way she said it for sure. But being slightly suggestive, be like, you guys seem like you're a cute couple. Is there, maybe there's a kiss there? Like, man.

But it's a way to not have to take responsibility for your actions. Oh, for sure. Yeah. It's all it is. But the two Toms and Rachel knew exactly what was happening in private. They knew. And that is just, I mean, when whatever it was that James said, like, that's creepy and weird and incest-y, that's the most creepy and weird and incest-y.

And during the reunion last year, they didn't, we didn't know exactly when it had started. You know, the Sand of All stuff. So double down on creepy, weird and incest-y. I got into Vanderpump through Scandival. Same. Okay, that's how you got into it. Same.

Like, I mean, I obviously because of Real Hall's Wives of Beverly Hills, and Lisa Vanderpump. And I guess when Vanderpump, I just wasn't really into it. I was like, I don't care about this show. And then it just came, and then I just never got into it until Skandall was like, oh, okay. They messy as hell. I had no idea.

They were so damn messy. Welcome. This is love and hip hop, okay. I'm here for it. And so I'm like kind of catching up on a lot of things. I don't know if I can do The Valley. It might be a bridge too far. Should I get into it?

Should I give it a chance? Do you know them though? Do you know Jax, Brittany and Dolly? I know he's from... He got fired like a while back for being racist. Wasn't him and somebody while back for being racist. Wasn't it him and somebody else that accused him of being racist?

It was Kristen and Stassi. She's on there too, but wasn't Kristen dating, wait, who was it? Sandoval. Jack's got fired, I think. Kristen was dating Sandoval to start, and then Kristen and Stassi made that poor choice. Yes.

With Faith. With Faith. And they had done that, There was one black cast member, and this is a shame. This is like a shameful era. But there was this woman, Faith, and she had a fling with Jax, which, are you guys there yet?

Oh, I didn't know that part. We're not on that part. Okay, sorry. Spoiler. But Faith was, she was a friend. She worked at Sir. I don't understand any, I don't know anything about her past.

I thought she was a good cast member. I wanted them to make her a regular, you know, but Kristin Astasi went on a podcast and said that this crime, like a burglary or something that had been committed. She stole Jax's jacket or something. Had been committed. No, I thought it was a stranger. No, no, but they were trying to say that they burglary or something that had been committed. She stole Jax's jacket or something. Had been committed. No, I thought it was a stranger.

No, no, but they were trying to say that they recognized a jacket or something that she was wearing. It was like a black person had committed a crime and they were like, we called the police because we knew that was Faith. Like that was, and it was like someone who did not look at all like her.

The carcassity, what are y'all talking about? And so in summer 2020, like in May, June 2020, Faith went on a live and said, you know, I was mistreated on Vanderpump rules and here are the things that happened. And Jax's tweet was still up about saying, I think the police are after her or something like that. And Stassi and Kristen were summarily fired from the show.

And now they're on, the three of them are on. Not Stassi. Not Stassi. Kristen and Jax are from the show. And now they're on, the three of them are on. Not Stassi. Not Stassi. Kristin and Jax are on The Valley. Now Jax and his wife are getting, are separated or getting divorced or something like that? Separated. And I saw that.

Unclear. They're also making headlines over the weekend. Yeah. That is my favorite part and most fascinating part about Vanderpump and now the valley It's like and having got to know these some of these cast members I don't know when the TV starts and stops versus their life And I don't know if they know like Lala like in my mind. This is all

calculated and for the show, but when I is all calculated and for the show. But when I, Tom Schwartz and I at Coachella late night kind of just not recording, just like, oh man, he's like, man, like what's going on in Lala? I'm like, you tell me, like your friends were there. And I'm like, and I told them my theory about like, I was like, hey man, like she's just doing this like, cause it's drama, right?

And he's like, I don't know, man. And so you get these conversations between the cast members and it's like, I don't even think they know when one person is like, they really feel this way or it's for the show. The line's so blurred. It's so blurred that like, it's so fascinating how truly invested in their lives.

I mean, Lala was having her second kid, I mean, Lala was having her second kid. I mean, Lala's thinking of this as like, I gotta feed my family, you know? And it's like, this is her job and her life. It's so kind of fascinating how she can convince herself of actually having a grudge when maybe she doesn't even really have a justified reason to have one.

Yeah, they turn on a dime. Yeah. Sheena's always accused of being a flip-flopper, but it's everyone, you know, except for Ariana, I one. Right. They turn on a dime. Yeah. Sheena's always accused of being a flip-flopper, but it's everyone, you know, except for Ariana, I guess. And Katie. And Katie. They seem to be the most consistent.

I like I said last week, I think Lala is going to turn on Sheena eventually. Because Sheena is going to say something out of pocket, something foolish, take the wrong. Yeah. And then Lala is going to use that to turn on her. Wait, so I should watch the ballet? Yes.

I need to get into that? Okay. I would say no prior knowledge. Any episode, just dive right in. That's the best part about these shows. No, but they've only been like, what? Six or eight, you know? And anything you need to know from Vanderpump Rules,

they will show you in clips. So like anything that Jax, stupid shit Jax has said over the years, like they'll be like, and here's the highlight reel. You know, so. Got it. Okay. It's really all about like,

getting older and having kids. The Valley is a very fascinating like. Like growing up. Yeah, about like getting married and keeping the spark alive and. Leaving your childish ways behind. Or not. Or not. None of them has. Yeah, about getting married and keeping the spark alive. Leaving your childish ways behind. Or not.

Or not. None of them has. I think it's also painting the idea that even 40 doesn't look the way that you thought it would. 50 wouldn't look the way that you thought it would. Because I'm like, some of the cast members, it's like they've been married for a while. You just kind of assume, even when you're younger

and you're like, I'm gonna be married by the time I'm 22. And then you turn 22 and you're like, absolutely not be married by at the time I'm 22 and then you turn 22 and you're like Yeah, absolutely not. Yeah, so I'm like I feel like watching it I'm seeing these disintegrations of relationships or seeing people that maybe were got married and on the same page But then hearing they're like confessions and whatnot. You're like, wait a minute Like should you have even attempted this because now you don't like your husband, you know So I think it's kind of crazy to watch. It's very intriguing to me. Sold.

I've been married for 16 years, so it's like, you know, things go, you know, I love my husband, I'm saying like, you know. You watch the ebb and flow. Yeah, I mean, things ebb and flow, you know, you grow, you come back, you know, What's so fascinating about The Valley is they've been talking about

the demise of their relationship since episode one. Yeah So do you think Brittany? Cuz everything I hear about the start of the valley was this all Kind of was Jack's brainchild again that who knows that maybe that's what Jack's is telling people But he seemed like he really wanted this to happen. Is he a producer? No. Maybe he's trying to be, you know?

But like it sounds like he was, he kind of wrangled up some friends. He was at least active and it's trying to get it off the ground is my understanding. I don't, maybe that's, you know? I know a little bit. So Alex Baskin, who is the executive producer of The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, it was his idea to do Vanderpump Rules.

He's the executive producer of Vanderpump Rules. And then years ago, he, you know, when it made no sense whatsoever for the famous adult staffers of Sir to have to pretend like they still worked at the restaurant, um, he was like, we need to have a show for these people to graduate into. And it was, I think it was going to be called Vanderpump Valley because they all weirdly bought their houses in that cluster. And it

would have been, I mean, at the time, I think it would have been Katie and Schwartz, you know, Ariana and Tom, you know, I mean, although Tom has a natural connection to Lisa still because of Tom Tom, but you know, they might have been on both. And then once the scandal happened, then Jackson, Brittany, Kristen and Stassi all got fired. Stassi would have been on the valley, I think. They all got fired. And then the idea just went away. And then the scandal happened, the redemption of all of these people,

because they all had such close relationships with Sandival, they all go on a press tour, they all have their podcasts, Jackson Brittany started a podcast, and it was like, okay, let's do this now. And they started filming, I think, pretty quickly last summer. Also, Kristen got a really good reception

for being on the finale of, pretty quickly last summer. Also, Kristen got, like, a really good reception for being on the finale of Vanderpump last season. Yeah, and on Watch What Happens Live. And, you know, I mean, I was waiting for them to, like, talk about... I mean, Jax definitely says in the first episode, I had it all and I blew it, you know? And then the racism Kristen stuff came up in the most recent episode, not in a way that favored her

Which is probably the way it should be when she's like, you know You know, I know what it's like to be accused and labeled and canceled, you know But I by the way, I really root for Kristen Like I feel like she's a real human being and I'm always interested in what she thinks But I don't think the valley is really going well for her, unfortunately. I would agree. Pump Valley. I want to, I root for Kristin.

Yeah. She's been on the show, she's been lovely. I've had some dialogue with her. She seems, like, yeah, her heart is in the right place, but her being on the Valley, you are reminded of crazy Kristin. Crazy Kristin, yeah. her being on the Valley, you are reminded of crazy Kristin. You know, that she, once she gets boxed in or stressed out

or whatever it is, she says and does things that it's just, it's hard to add up. It's hard to defend. It's, you know, the whole empath moment where she went on and on about how difficult it was for her to be an empath. That's amazing. The best edit because they pulled clips from Vanderpump and it was just like her being like, I'm just an empath. I take all of these, I take everybody's emotions and I take it home with me.

I can't. And then they just black and white or like slow motion, just suck a dick and just like all of her like epic, like non-empathetic moments. Amazing. It was classic. I think I was like channel surfing whatever and it landed on there and they were like, it was a dinner party or something like that. It was like all of them at this dinner party.

Oh, that was the big blow up. And they were yelling at her. And I was like, what is going on? I didn't have any reference. So now I need to go back to the beginning. That was the big moment where they were kind of reconciling her moment on Vanderpump. And this guy was like going off on her.

Jesse. Jesse. He has a rage problem. Is he married to somebody? When he said, shut the fuck up everybody, Michelle's gonna talk. Yeah, yeah. That was super weird. Did he just drop a bomb?

He did cry this episode because his wife wants to leave him. Oh yeah. Now they're divorcing. I'm scared of all these divorces are gonna taint the shit. Like what are they gonna do? That is a problem.

Yeah, it's like at first you're like, oh shit, we get to watch two divorces unfold to kick off the season, like what are they gonna do? That is a problem, yeah, it's like at first you're like, oh shit, we get to watch two divorces unfold to kick off the season, but you're right, where do you go from here? Co-parenting? Again, they might still live in the house together, still raise kids. But is Jesse the type of guy you really wanna bring, if he's not with Michelle,

is he really necessary? It depends, it just kinda depends, I think, how they handle it once the season's over, especially the reunion, but I'm like, if we're talking Vanderpump formula, that I'm like, it's not uncommon that for this job, you're gonna end up having to be on camera with your ex and they want to create these moments or like Michelle coming with her new boyfriend

and Jesse's never met them before and they wanna capture that on camera. So I'm like, there is like the after the breakup, after the divorce kind of thing, how you handle it, how you move forward, how you co-parent, whatever it is. I'm like, it's still interesting television. The reason I brought this up, I'm bringing it back,

but Brittany going into filming this season, she must have known she was potentially gonna leave Jax. Why do you think that? Well, she's been talking about it ever since, that they've been filming, And it's kind of like, it's like Brittany knows how reality TV works. They've had multiple shows together. And you can't help but wonder if Brittany was just like,

all right, fuck it, I guess I'll just, I'll start my single career on the valley. She was on the cover of Us Weekly this week. I kind of wonder too, like watching this episode specifically, it's Michelle talking about her issues with her husband and how she wants to leave him. And I do kind of wonder if that's the,

when you find the similarities in that conversation and she's like, no, I feel that way about Jack sometimes, like where that might've opened her mind to the idea of like, maybe we should be separated as well. Like maybe she wasn't planning on it because Jack's has said that like divorce is not a word that they use in his family. They did say that too.

You know, so that's why I'm wondering if it was Brittany on her own being like hearing somebody else going through a similar experience If she's like maybe this is an option, right because Jax doesn't believe in divorce He'll fight for this relationship, which is clearly not happening. I don't feel like Jax believes in anything but facts Yeah, not facts cuz allegedly yeah, I saw her watch what happens. Oh wow that they were together now They're they're shows so long. They're separated, but still doing a podcast together. Right. Oh, because listen, there's money on the table.

I'm still running a bar together. What do you think about that, Kate? I wonder if, and running a bar? Yep. I mean, here, let's see what happens with this, because I feel like it was fairly, separation was fairly amicable until now, maybe. It's getting messier.

Yeah, because she has said explicitly up until very recently that their problems were not Jax being unfaithful to her. And that she said, I think, that she doesn't believe that Jax has cheated on her during their match. How do we feel about Jax's double standard with Brittany where it was like, I want you to go out, have a girls night, but then when she comes home hungover,

he's upset with her and telling her, the scene of him yelling at her about, be a better mother or whatever. Yeah, I was like, that's a really hot take for Jax Taylor, of all people, to be criticizing somebody's behavior, let alone Brittany, you know, is holding down the fort. It was wild.

I just feel like every time Jax opens his mouth on this show, he thinks it's a line. I think he just gives lines. I think he's self-producing, and I don't find him to be all that interesting or compelling, and I don't even wanna sound like I'm defending the guy, because no one's ever on Jax. That wasn't defending the guy.

But even when he says the most out of pocket things, I don't even know if he even means it. I think all he cares about is being on TV and having attention and I don't think there's anything he wouldn't do. I feel like he also likes to paint himself as this positive role model and wants to put down what everybody else is doing.

Because even when they were in the car to go to that event last episode, and Janet and her husband were like, what's the budget for bidding and whatnot? And he was like, let's cap it at like 2,500. Then Jax goes, yeah, Brittany, we really need to talk about this. How much are you gonna spend?

Because you bought two handbags. It was very much trying to put her down for zero reason when there probably would never have been a discussion about how much she's bidding. Yeah, and it's just like, he's like, oh, I should start a fight because I'm on TV. Because I'm just such a poor dad and it's just so hard being the man of the family.

And it's like. Ha ha ha ha ha. Okay, guy. Famously cheap. Jax. I mean, to his benefit, I think. I don't think he's blown all of his money paying people to be friends with him

the way Sandoval has. Oh. I mean, is no one else concerned about these Vanderpump rules people's finances? Oh, me. I pointed it out. How can you be on TV for the better part of a decade amassed a large social media following that if you do anything with is a good payday.

You know, you might not be a gazillionaire, but you are making... You're in a nice living. You know, you might not be a gazillionaire, but you are making... You're in a nice living. You're a one percenter, which back to like, not to go all the way back to summer house, it is funny back to your point of the fourth wall in Carl, it is funny at the same time while I understand Lindsay,

hearing Lindsay complain about Carl, cause like objectively speaking, you know, when you hear about superficial qualities that some women like in men, Carla's tall, he's like six two, I'm guessing he's making over six figures being on TV and doing whatever, and just those two metrics alone

compared to the average guy, he is literally a one percenter in terms of the qualities that a lot of ladies out there in the single world are looking for, over six foot and make six figures, Carl is that, you know? Less than 1% of the dating market has those qualifications and it's just kind of interesting to point out. That's an interesting observation.

But yes, I am floored by how all the times where these Vanderpump characters specifically talk about how much money they don't have. Sandoval said in that disastrous New York Times Magazine story that he had to go on tour because he was about to start bouncing checks. And I'm like, I'm so worried. You know, Ariana said that right before the news broke. She had $2,000. Did she have $2,000? I'm like, I'm so worried, you know? And Ariana said that right before the news broke,

did you $2,000? I'm like, what? Help, I mean, I guess they have more house than they should have, I guess? Like, I don't really get it. That's what we got so far. And also, live beyond your means. Also, it's like, you know.

All those people are on his payroll. But then there's payroll, there's like slices of pie you have to cut out. And then if you're not, you know, like. And there's not, there's like the slices of pie you have to cut out, and then if you're not, you know, like, and there's money is eaten up. The bar's the sandwich shop that's not open yet. That's where Alvariano is. Yeah, there's a lot of people not saving. Unfortunately, I think that's the new norm these days. And I think the Vanderpump cast is a good example of you can make a lot of money and still be poor if you have no kind of spending control or.

Well also when did they start this? They were all like in their 20s right? And they're making less money, you know like, living in the now maybe. I mean I have to say that 20 year olds can't save. I'm just saying that they're on TV, they're living this life, they're getting money. Yeah.

You know, it's like. It gets confusing definitely. Cause it's like Sheena at one point was like living in Marina Del Rey right on the water, and I'm like, that's so expensive, so expensive. But then she can also buy a house in Palm Springs, but then is talking about Sandoval sending her money to help her out.

Yeah, during COVID. You can be asset rich and cash poor. That's true. You can have a lot of debt and a lot of property. And also people front on like a lot of these shows, like not everybody just because you're on a real house, why does whatever doesn't mean like you're really balling like that. Like people front, I mean, is that true or not?

I'm pretty sure Dorit is not legit. And on like the clothes you're wearing, the labels, that house that rents it out, you know, like you're on the cars, like all of that shit adds up. Then if you got kids, you got family, like, if you're putting, you know, yeah, your money can go really fast it goes I mean and you know that Lisa van the pump is right even you're good with your money

It can get like even when yeah, listen there's a there's agents managers To sort of keep your shit floating like you got to put out a lot of money So you know it goes 10% adds up cost as a lot to look rich, for sure. Listen, it costs a lot. So, I don't know. You said you saw Dorit on your flight from South... Back from BravoCon. And I was like, it had been a much delayed flight, so I felt sorry for myself.

And then at the South by Southwest baggage claim at Burbank, I saw Dorit standing there and I was like, oh no. Like Dorit was on... Dorit was flying Southwest. Now I'll fly Southwest. Like Dorit was on- Dorit was flying Southwest. Now I'll fly Southwest. No, no, no. I'll also fly economy. No shade to Southwest.

But I don't present the way Dorit presents. I had also interviewed her like two days earlier and I was like, does Dorit want me to say hi to her now? And so, but we were then standing there next to each other and I was like, it's much weirder if I don't say hello. And I was like, hi, Kate from Variety, talked to you the other day. And I was like, is she, I mean,

no one should be embarrassed to fly Southwest. I was gonna say, to be fair, that's a smart financial decision. You're in the air for 30 minutes. It is. From Vegas to LA. But when your whole character is opulence and wealth and thousand dollar pajamas.

It would only be a 60,000. Was this Burbank or was this LAX? Burbank. That's nice. Her character is opulence and wealth and thousand dollar pajamas. Was it Burbank or was it LAX? Burbank. That's nice. Yeah, I mean Burbank is very pleasant. Well, PK. I love Burbank. He can never fly Burbank.

It's a dream. It's the best. It's an absolute dream. But PK, that is shady. He wears a full track suit. And I'm a big believer that if you're an adult man who wears a full track suit. And I just, I'm a big believer that if you wear, if you're an adult man who wears a full track suit, you're potentially an organized crime.

Ah! And I think his only public job is being the manager of Boy George and you know, Boy George, you know, in some circles is an icon, but what has he done lately that would allow PK to furnish a lifestyle that Dorit is presenting? Well, the weirdest, one of the weirdest things that happened on the most recent season of Real Housewives

of Beverly Hills is that that whole time he was in England and she was upset about it, arguing with him about it, he was filming a real estate reality show. What? That he was like a host of that exists. And it's like, I assume there was a schedule for it, you know, but it's like, that didn't come up at all. And I don't really understand why.

I don't know. I think they should bring the conversation about their money stuff that, because there's the show, and then there's the ever-growing conversation around these shows. And... it's bad with, like, Vanderpump rules the way when that's more interesting than what's actually happening

on the screen. And I do feel like everyone... I mean, lots of fans knew that PK was just filming a real estate show in England, you know? So, like, it's like, it just is silly. You know? But even to Joy's point with people fronting and everything, it was just brought to my attention

that even Dorit lives in Encino. So it's like, we're not even talking about it's real housewives of Beverly Hills, but yet we don't really clarify to the audience that we're not filming in Beverly Hills. I like Encino. I think none of them live in Beverly Hills. That like Encino. I think none of them live in Beverly Hills. That's my tip.

That's the source. I think one of them does. It might be Kyle who's the one that lives in Beverly Hills. I think Kyle lives in, I thought she was in Encino also. Kyle? Cause they live down the street. We're looking at Encino. Oh, there you go.

I mean, maybe Crystal did. I thought, where does Lisa Vanderpump live then? For me? Lisa's not on the show anymore, but. When she. Oh, she's got. Where's Villa Rosa? Villa Rosa is in Beverly Hills.

OK. I've been to Villa Rosa. It's Beverly Hills, correct? Or is it Brentwood? It's somewhere in the hills. It's somewhere hidden. That house. I don't know where.

It's somewhere rich. Next time you're invited, I'm tagging along. I don't know if I will be. La Rosa. I think that sums it up. I think we did it all. Joy, what an absolute pleasure. Oh, this is so much fun. Thank you so much for coming.

Will you come back? This is like the deep cuts. This is deep cuts. Will you come back? I would love to come back. What is your favorite Bravo show? Fuck, my favorite Bravo show? Ugh! Fuck. My favorite Bravo show, I mean it's really tough.

I mean, like I, okay, Summer House, Winter House, definitely those are my favorites because I just love just all the friends together and you know, drama and alcohol and all things. I love Below Deck. Below Deck has a very strong following. Like I love some Below Deck. I love Below Deck. What's strong following. I haven't got into that yet. I love Below Deck.

What's your favorite thing about it? Well, it's that whole kind of upstairs, downstairs kind of thing where you get to see some of the passengers or the clients or whatever and all that mess, but then really the stories about the people that work there and there's always drama and there's always just like tears and alcohol and bad behavior and messiness, I love it. And I just, I mean, I love all Real Hell's wives too.

So I mean, it's hard for me. I love, I love it in Leona. I love Beverly Hills, Sound Lake City. How do you feel about some new Rooney? I'm very excited for New Jersey. I mean, all of them. New Jersey, I'm- I never got into the Texas one. I didn't get into it either, did I? Oh, them New Jersey. I never got into um the Texas one

I didn't get into it either did I? Didn't seem like anyone did. Do you like the new the new Roni? Um, you know what? I wasn't I didn't watch the old Roni too much. I don't know. I guess being from New York I don't know. I just wasn't really I don't know why. You're like PTSD I would come come I would come in and out but I did like like the reboot, but then watching Ultimate Girls Trip, I'm like, hmm, Miss the OGs. The legacy, yeah. Yeah, but I really love,

and I really love Ultimate Girls Trip too. Me too. I hope they do another one. It's really good. That's why I got Peacock, just for that. Just for legacy, you know, without Ramona. Oh yeah. So, those are all my favorites, basically everything.

All right, well, please come back. It was so much fun to have you. And go check out Joy's new show, The Spiderwick Chronicles, now available on Roku. It is a great show, a great family show. It looks amazing. It's amazing. I can't wait.

So congratulations on that. And where can people find you on social? Does anyone want to do that fun thing? OK, I am on Instagram. And my name is, oh, Joy Beze. There you go, Joy Beze. It's so bad, because I'm like, Harley. Yeah. That's okay.

It's weird to self promote, but. No, no, no, it's cool, I just slug it. I just forgot what my name was. It's Joy Beze and I don't know why it's not at Joy Bryant. Thank you. I'll figure that out. Well, go follow Joy, either way. Kate, always a pleasure. I gotta check.

Thank you for having me, very fun. Please come back. I would love to. All right, well thank you guys for listening. Don't forget to send in your questions at asknick at thevilefiles.com for all things Ask Nick, texting office hours. We have a great Ask Nick episode available out right now

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