The Viall Files - E742 RR - Nick & Natalie’s Wedding, Stagecoach, Housewives, The Valley, VPR, and SH w/ Girls Gotta Eat

Episode Date: April 30, 2024

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap Edition! Today, we are joined by Girls Gotta Eat’s Rayna Greenberg and Ashley Hesseltine to chat about all things reality television. First, we talk about Taylor Swift’s new album breaking records and the ongoing feud with Kim Kardashian. Next, we talk about Kristin Cavallari and Rachel Leviss making headlines at Stagecoach. Then, we talk about some Housewives before diving into Summer House. Next, we recap The Valley before finishing with Vanderpump Rules.  “James is asking for forgiveness, not permission.”  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Dipsea - For listeners of the show, Dipsea is offering an extended 30 day free trial when you go to https://www.DipseaStories.com/VIALL   Caraway - If you visit Carawayhome.com/VIALL10 you can take an additional 10% off your next purchase.  SKIMS - Shop the SKIMS T-Shirt Shop at SKIMS.com. Now available in sizes XXS - 4X. If you haven't yet, be sure to let them know we sent you! After you place your order, select "podcast" in the survey and select our show in the dropdown menu that follows. ZOA Energy - Available online and at a store near you. Find out where you can find it at https://www.ZOAEnergy.com and fine retailers like Amazon, 7-Eleven, Costco, Circle K and more. Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @rayna.greenberg @ashhess @nnataliejjoy @ciaracrobinson @alison.vandam @justinkaphillips @leahgsilberstein @dereklanerussell Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 06:36 - Taylor Swift 14:09 - Kristin Cavallari 18:51 - Stagecoach 22:13 - Housewives 38:03 - Summer House 01:09:18 - The Valley 01:16:00 - VPR 01:43:27 - Outro 

What's up everybody? Welcome back to another episode of Reality Recap. I am not Nick Viall. I am your substitute host today, Raina Greenberg, co-host of the Girls Gotta Eat podcast. With me, I have my best friend, business partner, co-host, Ashley Heseltine. Hi. And the rest of the household, we have Leia here, we have Allie on Zoom, sweet boy Justin at the desk, and Sierra on the couch.

Wow. Very nice. You're a fun substitute teacher. I'm here for this. Hot substitute alert. Thank you. She does have a photographic memory. Did you practice that at home?

No. Yes you did. You don't get an impression. What's up everybody? We came in, you guys said, you gave her, that you were like, this is how Nick says it. And she's like, I got it. Locked and loaded.

I've been practicing in the shower. I do it in every mirror in my house, just to like see the vibe. We are co-hosting today because Nick and Natalie are on their honeymoon. We are really excited to be here while they do that so that they can take a day off. But Sierra and I are a huge part of their love story. We were here the day that they had the baby. This is true.

And you just got back from their wedding. I did. I did. First time in Savannah, Georgia. It was absolutely beautiful. I've never been to a wedding on a farm and it's life-changing, you guys. I was like, any farm?

Never, never. Have you ever been on a farm? I'm a child of Southern California. I love it. But yeah, I know it's, I've never been to a wedding to where you were allowed to like walk through the stables, pet the horses, they've got cows, goats, you name it. So gorgeous.

Natalie looked phenomenal. I was like, Nick, handsome as ever. There's just so much, but I know that they're gonna wanna tell their story. So I just have to say, it was very nice being a guest at their wedding. It was really beautiful. I mean, they stayed on that content.

I know they've been very generous. Oh, yeah. I'm loving all of the posts. I was at the, like, it was like the day of the wedding, and we already had the welcome party video, and I was like, what? Well, there we are. I'm so into it. I love that they're doing this.

They're participating in the country era movement. Yeah, I also love when the couple actually does post things live, because in that way, you don't have to feel weird about tagging things in stories. You're like, oh yeah, like is this allowed? That's such a good call. Like they said the couple obviously sets the tone for that

but we've been at weddings where we like kind of got in trouble. We were like, oh, were we not supposed to post pics yet? We had to wait on the professional photos to show the bride's dress. Is this real life? Right. So anyway.

Like what do you do? Do they send you like a cease indices? Like actually not yet. They report it. No, they text you and it's really scary. Well, you never know with them cause they're famous. So like, I assume like People Magazine or somebody has an exclusive on it.

Like you've posted the Instagram story, but they're like, God damn it, Sierra, we just lost a million dollars. You know. So I said, the text is really scary. Take it down now. That's so know. So I said the text is really scary. Take it down now. That's so funny. So I actually don't, why do they do it on a farm?

Is Natalie from Savannah? Natalie's from Savannah. Oh, she is. It's not cause it was like stagecoach this weekend and they wanted like a stagecoach themed way. Honestly, it's gonna be good. It competed. It competed.

No, it's because it's her sister's family's farm. And- Oh my God, it's a family's her sister's family's farm. And- Oh my God, it's a family farm. Yeah, and she like grew up there. I noticed she posted recently, she's got like five, five, five on her arm tattooed. And it's because it's like the address of the farm. Okay, that's so meaningful and special.

I love that. My parents also live on a farm. And now I feel like it's so in to be doing this like farm. It's life-changing. As I said, I am like, there's so much to do and little baby animals. I was like petting a cow and I'm like, where am I right now? Yeah. No, as I said. I am like, there's so much to do. And little baby animals, I was like petting a cow. And I'm like, where am I right now? Yeah.

No, Sierra went rogue. Like, I lost Sierra at the welcome party. And she hadn't been back at her seat. I was supposed to guard her food. And I did that for about four hours. And I was like, wherever that fucking tiny cow is, I'm like, that's where she's going to be. She'll eat one of the cows.

Sierra's on a horse. She's like, everybody, eh. Sierra's riding off into the sunset by herself. She's foraging for her own dinner. She's like, I'm in this cornfield, you guys. That's my dinner. To be fair, I would have been the one to steal your food. Because I saw that mac and cheese,

and I was like, almost as good as Air One's cheese. Mac and cheese. Have y'all ever had boiled peanuts before? Yeah. I went to school in the South, and I lived in Atlanta for like 10 years. So I've been to Savannah a couple of times, but yeah, I feel like I've-

I had no idea. I got introduced for the first time this weekend. Delicious. Ali, do you wanna tell us how you eat a boiled peanut? Not the way I did it. Wait, what? Wait, oh my God, I can't. Because I was a fast eater.

I don't know if I'm a fast eater or if I just didn't spend that much time finding animals. So Sierra still had all of her food in front of her and I'm sitting there and we're chatting. Like we're getting to know a lot of people. So I just reached over to Sierra's plate and grabbed something and threw it in my mouth. I didn't know what it was.

And I bit down on it and I just turned, my sister's a doctor. And for some reason I was like, she'll know. And I was like, what did I just eat? And she was like, how the fuck would I know? Like, whatever. So I'm hitting Sierra, because she's in the middle of a conversation.

I'm like, what did I just eat? I was like, it's in my mouth, it doesn't feel right. I was like, something's wrong. And Sierra's boyfriend, no hesitation, puts his hand out and he goes, spit it out now. He was like, you just ate an entire peanut. Wait, that's so sweet though. Sierra. That really is sweet.

He's a good man. Okay, but if there is any type of peanut, you could eat like a soft shell crab. Like you just kind of ate the whole thing. It's the soft shell crab of the nut world. I was like, do I just swallow it and not tell anybody? I don't, it was a panic moment. You mean like as opposed to accidentally eating

the shell of a pistachio nut? If you eat the shell of a pistachio nut, you're an icon. You have a death wish, that's crazy. You have the jaws of life. Wait, how do you eat it then? You cut it open? You just kind of crack it open in your hands and like squeeze it in,

because like the actual nut is soft. So it's like, I don't know. It's a little delicacy I haven't had before, but I knew not to just shove the whole thing in my mouth. Like edamame a little bit. Exactly, exactly. The country edamame. I. The country edamame. I got the country edamame.

Sierra's like so educated, she knows how to eat her peanuts. She goes, do you eat the shell? And I go, do you ever? There's not a lot of things you eat the shell. Exactly. To be fair, it looked like it was breaded on the outside, so it wasn't like a clear shell.

I love that you haphazardly are mid-conversation. You just reach over and grab like a full-shelled peanut. You're like, that girl's so savage. All right. Well, we wish them congratulations. They'll be back soon. But speaking of Stagecoach, some music news this week. Taylor Swift, her album smashes every record out there.

31 songs. How do we like it? I'm into it. I it's very generous with 31 tracks. I thought I was seeing things at first. I was like, that's a lot of songs. She's just like a writing machine. Like she's like, I can't stop, won't stop.

OK, I will say this. Just hear me out, Swifties. But at first listen, it was again, I'm just like listening on my Alexa. I wasn't really paying too much attention. I wasn't sitting down at like a listening party like I did for Cowboy Carter. But I was like, it all kind of sounds similar, whereas Beyonce's Happen,

every song sounded like 10 songs in one, you know? It was like, couldn't have been more different. That was like a wild ride. And this felt a little more mellow, but now that I've dove in more, I love it. I think the songwriting is second to none. I think she's like the greatest songwriter of our time. Absolutely. Yeah.

And I'm just really into a lot of the songs. And I feel like I'm not fully qualified to speak on it, like deep dive, but I really enjoy it and love a lot of the tracks. Yeah, I loved it. I mean, yeah, my only knock is I could use a beat. Every once in a while I could use like a little bit of change in tone and a beat.

I thought Thank You Amy was iconic. I did not expect something so spicy. She's like, one day your daughter is going to come home, sing this song and you'll know it's about you. I was like, damn, like a diss track. Right. I did not see that coming from Taylor Swift. Yeah, it's like, what's the bigger beef right now?

Like Future and Mentor Boomin and Drake or Kim and Taylor. Like, I think which diss district do we like more? I don't even, you can't pick one. Is it Drake or Taylor Swift? And then he's talking about Taylor Swift, you know, it's like a whole thing. Is Kim gonna speak out on this?

Like, the Kardashians speak out on everything. Like, they have to make a statement about so much, and she's just like, I'm not doing it. Well, what did you guys think? Cause like, there was like a, it said that a source close to Kim said, that Kim said to move on. Was that do you guys think that came from like what happens live interview that she did several

years ago and he they were doing like rapid fire questions and Andy Cohen was like Kim like beef this beef with Taylor Swift like still going on or like we moving on like it was like a quick rapid fire interview and she like took a sip of her drink and she was like, moving on. I just think everyone's over it, like blah, blah, blah. But then what we've heard from like our own sources, it's like, no, Kim just said we're moving on, we're over it, but Kim has never apologized to Taylor.

Like there really hasn't been any sort of like reconciliation. So then it was kind of like rich of her to be like, no, I'm done with it. But it's like, okay, but why? Cause also Kim has posted like Instagram stories with Taylor Swift songs playing in the background. So like she created this facade of like, oh, we're all good. Yeah. And then thank you, Amy.

Taylor loves to hold a grudge and I love that. And then do you guys have used to look at like Kim's comments like lately? Thank you, Amy. It's just all thank you, Amy. It's like real beehive shit. When people would just bomb posts with bee emojis, they're really doing that. I mean, I know the feeling sometimes

where people are carrying torches, and your whole audience is like, you better apologize for this. And you're like, I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it because you demand it. So I can see her maybe feeling like that, but I'm just fascinated she has said nothing. Yeah.

It feels un-Kardashian like. I don't know, I feel like she also deals with so many like controversies and things like that, that she's just kind of like, all right, you'll hate me this week, I'm sure you'll love me next week. I'll go to Harvard, you guys will be fine. Yeah, she's like, what's a real lawyer? No, it's so true.

I mean, there's always something that people are hated on Kim Ford. Doesn't really seem to affect her. I mean, much. But anyway, you guys love the album. I thought it was good. I mean, Ali knows that I've been waiting for Reputation, Taylor's version, and she's been doing that. It's coming next. But we should have had it like a year ago, in my opinion, because that's the album that I love. I love the beat like Raina said, versus like she's in this

like full clorish, like slow era, which is really good. So yeah. And I love the fact that Raina said versus like she's in this like full clorish like slow era, which is really good So yeah, and I love the fact that it's like we have we have obviously the stuff about Joe we have new stuff about like Travis and I love the fact that like she and Travis seems so good and so stable that I think a lot of people were like Oh my god, Travis is gonna hate the fact that she's like releasing this whole album about her ex I'm like, oh my God, Travis is gonna hate the fact that she's like releasing this whole album about her ex. I'm like, no, actually I think he's like really good with it. And they were just at an auction this past weekend with the Mahomes and auctioned off like tickets

to raise money. And he literally like, it was a last minute decision and went up to the mic and he's like, so I was talking with my significant other and I think we're gonna like add an extra thing. And I was like, I love them so much. Can you imagine him? He doesn't care.

Can you imagine? He doesn't even like, he's probably just like, yeah, I'm sure the album's great. I don't think he's like registering that like it's X's. I don't know. He's like, I won the Super Bowl. He's just like, yeah, she's so wonderful. She's such a visionary. Like, I don't think he's thinking. I don't know. I can't imagine him ever caring. Do you think it just like comes, I actually was like,

how is he going to feel about the fact she released 31 songs and like 30 are about another man multiple other men But like do you think that he's just like this just comes with the territory like you're a songwriter You've been writing songs for years it would be weird to be upset about it. Yeah Absolutely, that didn't really cross my mind. It's just like we have a dating show we talk about our exes Yeah, you know, on occasion. But then she had a diss track too, I feel like. Is that like the smallest man in the world? Isn't that, is that?

Who's that about? Isn't it supposed to be about Matt Healy? Yeah. That one's dope too. It like cuts deep. I think that people were surprised they thought that the whole album would be about Joe Alwyn and more tracks are about Matt Healy.

Which was a pretty short relationship, right? Well, so it's kind of an on and off again. It's like, technically, it's been like a decade of them kind of having this situationship. And so even though it's like, their stint right after Joe is relatively short, I feel like the reason she was so heartbroken is they always had this kind of thing of like, I'll wait for you or like, I'll hold out for you. And then it was just like, clear. It's like after 10 years of like hit and miss, it just wasn't ever gonna work. I also wonder sometimes if songs are just like,

don't necessarily have to be exactly about her life, right? She's just like, I don't know, I had an idea for a song and I'm like a great writer. Like I'm a big fan of like Dermot Kennedy and he's come out and been like, yeah, that's just about a thing I came up with. Right. It's not even though it sounds so emotional.

It's just like, yes, it's just like, I'm a great storyteller. Exactly. That's what it is. It's not, even though it sounds so emotional, it's just like, yes, just like I'm a great storyteller. Exactly. That's what it is. That's a good word for it. Storytelling. Yeah. Um, so she gave us 31 songs.

It's, I have songs I listen to at home. I walking songs and I have car ride songs. It's an at home album for me. I'm working. I'm at home. Are you, so your reputation, Justin, like, like power ranking. Okay. I'm at 1989 reputation, uh, like power ranking? Okay. I'm at 1989 reputation folklore, right?

Folklore. Folklore. That just like came out during COVID. It's just like, I don't know. I have like memories surrounding it. You lay in the dark and cry like I did. Yeah. I was gonna say,

folklore is the existential crisis album. Yeah. I listened to it in my bathtub. It was like, it was summer 2020. We were in a weird, yeah, it was a weird time. I was like riding through the woods on a bike in Delaware, just like listening to like the one, you know, crying. Like, I don't know.

When I need to remind myself that I feel things. That's what I put on. But I like to know people's power ranking. I think it's like same with like Beyonce and Taylor Swift. I'm always just like, what are your top three albums? Did you see Beyonce? People thought she was gonna be a stage coach. Yes. Yeah, but Swift. I'm always just like, what are your top three albums? Did you see Beyonce? People thought she was gonna be at Stagecoach. Yes. Yeah.

But like, I think people just, that, I heard that right when Cowboy Carter came out. Like, I just felt like that was people thinking. manifesting just a true rumor. Trying to make it happen. Yeah. Yeah. But it would have made sense with like Post Malone and just, there are a few, what, Willie Jones.

There were people that were like at Stagecoach that were on our album. So I could see where people made that. And there's like giant horses all over Stagecoach right now. Oh, right. I thought she was going to be there. The real star of Stagecoach was Kristin Cavallari and Mark Estes. Kristin just posted. She said, cowboy, take me away.

We are fascinated by this relationship. We love it. You want to talk about it? Yeah. Are you nervous? Well, not if everyone, I don't want to take it away from anybody else. I don't know how it started. I didn't know how it started. I love Kristen.

So. Yeah, we love Kristen. What do you, I know everything. I just- Ashley says it's her Roman Empire. The Montana boys. Like the whole relationship, I find it so fascinating. Like she's 37, I find it so fascinating.

Like she's 37, she's a mother of three and she's staying in this like 24 year old TikTok lip sync you know, and it all started with like the DM slide or whatever she thought they were, they were super hot. They slid into her DMs from like the main account but it was Mark. And then that just happened from there but it happened like so quick.

I mean, their first date was Valentine's Day. And what within six weeks, she like hard launched him on her Instagram, on her podcast, like talking about him on the podcast. And now they're in like a full-blown relationship. But I like the way she speaks about just like, I don't care what you think. Kristen's always just been like,

you think I give a fuck? Like her whole energy, she's just like that bitch. And so that's the tone that she's taken. And she's like, men do this all the time. If you want to talk about an age difference, like that's crazy. You wouldn't even blink twice at this age gap with them if it wasn't the roles were reversed.

So I love all of that. But I think where what I'm really fascinated by is that like she's really put him on the map. Like he's doing interviews, like really put him on the map. He's doing interviews. He's on the red carpet and they're doing all the CMAs. I mean, with the other two Montana boys, but he's become a celebrity in his own right solely because of her and them too and the other two boys with a Z. It's just like, he's not media trained. I'll put it lightly. So the interviews are like, what?

And then like, if I were Kristen, I'd be like, babe, you gotta stay at home. Like, let's just put it back in the box and just be my hot 24 year old boyfriend. Cause I, it just, but it's fine. I'm with you, like about the media training, like you don't really see an ascension to fame like that ever like, oh, he went on his first day with her Valentine's day and overnight was like I'm with you about the media training. You don't really see an ascension to fame like that ever.

He went on his first day with her Valentine's Day and overnight was a media sensation. Most people do some low level media and interviews, do a couple podcasts no one's ever gonna listen to. He is at this level where you could be canceled in a heartbeat and he's not trained for this. Yeah, yeah, they don't feel prepared. And like, you know, I'm not hurling insults.

Like you watch him on podcasts and he's like, you guys are idiots. You know, he's like, so you guys don't really talk much. You know, like everyone, every clip of Marcus, like the comments are like, that man has a way with words. You know, like it's just, they don't have a lot to say. Well, his claim to fame is lip syncing. Right. That's so fair.

There you go. So I don't care. Kristen's happy. He's like, good to her kids. Like, who cares? But I find it interesting that, like, he is on this ascension to fame. But, you know, I think it might be short lived. The fame there will see.

I mean, he's so hot, though. So hot. So hot. Like, just, sh lived, the fame there. We'll see. I mean, he's so hot though. So hot. So hot. Just shh, close the mouth. Yeah, you stay home. No more podcasts for you. But yeah, I like watching it. I'm just invested for a number of reasons, but yeah.

Good for them. One more thing about Stagecoach. So we all know Bachelor Nation is usually there. And Rachel Nance from Joey's season of The Bachelor stage coach, so we all know Bachelor Nation is usually there. And Rachel Nance from Joey's season of The Bachelor potentially soft launches a new man. Well, she posted this Instagram photo and so everyone is speculating that it's a new boyfriend.

Oh, hot, hot. Yeah, I kinda like it. Comment, the caption is about last night We're giving like light choking I love This big tattooed arm just like across her neck. Oh my god, not orange hat. It's giving Montana boys I was gonna say this is the hottest soft launch. I think I've ever seen you got boobs and tattoos This trucker hat this is this like sexiest soft launch of an arm, because so many people do an arm, but it's like across the table with like a coffee cup.

She's like, no, put her on my neck, babe. Like this is good for her. I love her also. I think she's so sweet. And she had a rough go at the end of it. So I'm so happy that she found somebody and look at him. Look at him. Like, look at that arm.

This guy is, he've never seen his face. He's lip syncing to Luke Holmes on TikTok, but I still, I'm with it. The last thing about Stagecoach we're saying, then we'll move on to some Housewives stuff. Apparently Raquel Rachel was allegedly wearing the same shirt as Ariana used to have, or maybe people are saying it is Ariana's shirt. Do we have a photo of this? Yeah, let me find it. Can you imagine if she ran into Ariana at Stagecoach?

Well, that's what I think is so crazy. That's like half of the cast from VPR is there as well. Like everyone that she's had a falling out with. Right. Kristen's there, LaLa's there. She's lucky Ariana's not there. I mean, it's the same shirt. It may not be her exact, likeala's there, she's lucky Ariana's not there. I mean, it's the same shirt. It may not be her exactly Ariana's shirt, but that is-

Do we have a picture of that? Yeah, so there's Ariana wearing. So funny. Oh, on camera. From last season. It's probably just like from Revolve. A Revolve shirt, yeah. Like, Rainn and I have this, we'll buy the same thing

without even realizing it. Like, we all just shop Revolve. And you're gonna wear Revolve to Stagecoach. This is not an ad for Revolve I have this, we'll buy the same thing without even realizing it. Like we all just shop Revolve. And you're gonna wear Revolve to Stagecoach. This is not an ad for Revolve, but like everybody sees the same shit on Revolve. Like Revolve did like their Stagecoach collection and she was probably- Totally, yes.

Oh, but Ariana wore it before. Yeah, I don't know. That's so interesting. And to be fair, Bravo stars, like brands send them the same clothes. Great call. So it could've just been like they each got sent that from Revolve or whatever.

Yeah, their PR box. And she wore it a year later. They all wear Boys Lye. Wait, did someone say where it's from? Oh, I don't know. I just know it's from Revolve, I put money on it. I know it's from Revolve. You look at that and you're like,

that's a Revolve shirt. They all wear Boys Lye. I feel like Boys Lye has reached out to us. They just, they like to gift. And like, what's cool right now on like the hot for you page on Revolve is just what we all buy. Yep.

Yeah. We're all fucking basic and I'm proud. There's also like immediate shipping. So I might... No, don't get me started. It's the best. The returns, the labels in the box, just... Again, not an ad, but... Yeah, somebody found it on Poshmark, I think.

A lot of people think that it is Ariana's shirt because... Her actual shirt. One of the comments said, where are your t-shirt and pants from? And Rachel responded just saying, my pants are from at Sarah blue, Sarah blue. So she only commented about the pants. Cause you can't find the shirt.

Well, she said, I honestly can't remember where my shirt is from. I think I got it at a random boutique in a mall. Shut up. That sounds like a lie. It's Ari on a shirt. That's where it's like, you got it.

She's trying to cover up. So many details. Not the mall boutique. Who's even still going to the mall? Hashtag Simon malls. Right. She's like, oh, it's from, what's like a... 579? Yeah.

She is still suing Ariana and Tom, correct? Yeah. Do you know about this, Ashley? Yes. Okay. So if... That sounded like a lie, but I swear. I do know everything. A year later, she is suing them for revenge porn.

And allegedly, the lawsuit came out the day before the statute of limitations expired on revenge porn. So I think she is still suing them and doing her podcast every week just recapping this. And she's made some interesting decisions. Well, did you guys, we got tagged in this whole thing. It said what Tom Sandoval said, something about her using him to make money, essentially, the whole story. And then he said, but a girl's gotta eat. And so, I know our podcast, it's called A Girl's Gotta Eat. We throw it up on our story. We were like, keep our name out your

mouth, Tom. But we just got tagged in it so much. Because it was like the headline said, a girl's gotta eat. Oh, he stole the name of your show. We're gonna sue him for it. We're just gonna tack on to the lawsuit. I feel like Nick and Tyler just like talked to him about us. So we're, you know, on his mind. All right, in other Bravo news, Heather Gray is in the news. She addressed her body post-Ozempic.

The quote is, I didn't want to show up at another party and see all of my friends 20 pounds thinner and just be resentful. I've sold out. I've given up the banner of, you know, accept yourself. And it's disappointing and sad to know that body positivity was all a big lie.

It is better not to be overweight, she says. Yeah. So this is after, so she did a variety appearance right after the season finale where people notice Like she looked a lot different than the episode that just aired back then. She was like, I'm not on a zempik I just lost a couple pounds four months later. She's like, okay, I was on a zempik Yeah, I mean I think about this a lot and what information we owe the public We is you know anybody on camera anybody owes the public about what you're doing for your own body

And I struggle going back and forth thinking like, we don't really owe anybody information, but how damaging is it to say, I lost 40 pounds and it was just stress or diet and everybody in America, every single mother in America is like, I'm stressed as fuck and I can barely afford food. I don't look like that. Yeah, that's, that's my line. I think you can always say, I don't, that's none of your business. I don't owe you information about my body, but I just don't like when people

lie. I mean, it goes back to like someone, you know, getting a BBL and just saying that they have this workout routine and then selling you the workout routine. Or like, I always thought it was so crazy that Kylie sold those lip kits. She had like the thinnest lips on the planet. And then she just got lip filler and was like, now I'm going to do lip kits. Like, what if I just was out here saying like, guys, I have a nose contour kit. That's why my nose look like this. You know, like it just, cause I got a nose job.

You know, like it's just kind of the lying and then like selling the lie back to the public is where I, what I really have a problem with. But I don't, I also don't think you owe anybody that information. Yeah. Yeah. Which she goes into it. Cause this was a people like magazine interview. And she said like, I've been bullied for the way I look on the show you owe anybody that information. Yeah, which she goes into it, because this was a People magazine interview,

and she said, I've been bullied for the way I look on the show for being someone that is bigger than her castmates. And so that's where she's conflicted too, because she's like, I have sold out technically, is what she's taking from it. I feel for her though, I almost feel like it's like Khloe Kardashian

who can't win ever, because people bullied her for so long for being the quote unquote biggest Kardashian, and then she loses all this weight and gets some kind of facial surgery which she's never admitted to but they all get work done and now she's bullied for that and I feel like you know you can't win when you're a little bigger on TV because of course you know you look at Heather next to like Whitney and like she's so tiny and thin and of course the whole

internet says terrible things about you I'm not anywhere near as big Ashley and I of those big famous wise, wise as those people. And people make comments to us about the way we look. So I can't even imagine tenfold what that does to you. I also feel like everybody does look bigger on camera and then you see, because it's like we're zoomed in, all of that stuff, then you meet people in person, you're like, oh my God, you're so tiny.

So small, yeah. So I'm like, it's also like an optical illusion. So until you meet these people in person, I wouldn't comment on, I wouldn't comment on anybody's body to begin with, but I'm just like to comment on somebody's body based of them being on television and putting themselves out there.

It's like, that's already brave enough as it is. Come for the content that they're putting out there. You don't have to come for like their physical appearance. I think it's just a cheap shot. It's gross. But to your point, like the camera is 10 pounds, you have like hot take, but it's also why you see people look totally different in a season two, because they watch

themselves back. I think I find it so sad because you know that people went on TV thinking they looked great, and then they watched it back and were like, I hate myself. And then they get a completely different body or face or whatever it is for season two. And so I think it's just like sad. That's the housewife effect too. Like the second season for every housewife is always a different face. I feel like it's season two to season three because I feel like that's when the pay bump goes up

and then all of a sudden it's like, oh, okay, we are shopping on Rodeo. I get it. It's such a thing. Season one faces, it's like such a thing. I love to see an original face. Truly. Crazy.

Or like a season one of a reality show. It's just like a totally different world. When everyone looked human. Yeah. Not airbrushed and perfect. Yeah. Well, in season one is always like the reality star being like, you have too much face filler, like you have too much work done.

And then season two. They come back full of face filler. Yeah. Yeah. I feel for her. I think that it was really brave to say what she said. And I think that like she didn't like volunteer to be anointed as like the pillar of body positivity either. I mean, there's only so long you can say like, said. And I think that like, she didn't like volunteer to be anointed as like the pillar of body positivity either.

I mean, there's only so long you can say like, I love myself before like people beat you down. Like I feel for her. I just, this whole, all the statements are so like honest and vulnerable and then like, you still can't win. It's like you, we've learned that. And again, on just a smaller scale, like you will never please these people.

You think you're gonna put out the most perfect statement and be so honest and vulnerable and they're still gonna jump down your throat. Like you really can never win. So like, why try? Yeah, I think you're pandering to people that are already doing something you wouldn't do. I would never comment on a woman's body on the internet.

Right, right, exactly, yeah. I know I was like just reading about, like I was getting into like this Sophia Bush stuff and like her Ashlyn Harris, is that her name? And just the way that the things that people feel comfortable like saying to them, just like, man, people are just, it's tough out there. I mean, it's easy to be brave to say something

to somebody where it's like a bunch of comments and whatnot, so you're like, ugh, let me add mine. And it's just like, why? People already have it tough enough as it is. Like I'm like, nobody needs to sit here and hear your opinion. Like, you know, you would look really great if you just lost five pounds.

Like, okay, where are you right now? Like probably sitting on a couch somewhere, not losing five pounds either. So why are you coming at me? Amen. Absolutely. Alas, I feel passionate. So do I. Yeah, we can talk about this forever.

Yeah. Some people feel comfortable writing about other people, strangers on the internet. It's insane. And I'm just like, I didn't know you two seconds ago, so why do I care about your opinion? But suddenly I'm like feeling bad about myself because of this person. Also nice to meet you. It's actually bad to meet you. Can you just talk about me on Reddit behind my back?

Yes, like an adult. And now you have like Bravo stars not even watching the shows back or like not watching the internet. Cause like that's the only way they protect their peace, which is interesting. Right? Yeah. I think you were right too. Like you don't get to come into my house

and say terrible things to me. My internet house. Yeah. Of my ideas. Last thing out of Real Housewives, Taylor Armstrong says that she has stopped watching Housewives essentially because she hates the fighting fighting which is the central theme of Housewives Yeah, I stopped watching mostly the Beverly Hills girls because I love them all so much and hate watching them fight is what she means

Yeah, so she said I stopped watching mostly the Beverly Hills girls because I love them all so much and watching them fight She said I know that I know what that anxiety feels like when you're in that situation when you're fighting with your friends My camera and it's just so much pressure and I was like I can't watch this. It's funny that she says that because the most like iconic clip of all time from Real Housewives is her leaping across the table screaming at somebody but you know she has lost a lot. Especially on the show too. On the show. I can't imagine the trauma that you take through the rest of your life from that and so I understand her show. I can't imagine the trauma that you take through the rest of your life from that.

And so I understand her being like, I can't watch this. This is like too much for me. Just triggering, right? Just like re-traumatizing. She's also been on the show, I feel like on and off for like what, over a decade. So it's also one of those things too, where I'm like, I feel like you kind of have to grow

out of that. You know what I mean? Where I feel like looking back at it, you're like, well, it's kind of catty, it's the necessary. Like I've grown, I don't even think I can watch that, let alone like put myself back in that mindset. Cause it's just not healthy. I love Housewives, don't get me wrong,

but I'm just like, if I had been doing it for 10 years, I'd be like watching other people go at it. I'd be like, maybe not. Yeah. You like soak it in in a weird way. I don't know, it even goes back to like the hate comments on the internet and stuff like that. Like I, cause I'm, I have such an aversion to it. I completely don't ever read anything about me. If I can avoid it, I would never like seeps in your

brain. You can't get it out. You think you, you just think you might be able to, but you can't. None of us are equipped to deal with that. So like I avoid any sort of like hate that we get as much as I can, but I don't like to read it about other people too. Cause I feel like I'm like playing, I'm a part of it that I'm like a part of the toxicity. I don't know, it's like a different topic, but I've been thinking about that recently where like someone sent me some like influencer snark thread about somebody else, not about myself, like you know, that's like all those things are going on Reddit and I just started to read part of it and I just felt like such so icky and I like put it away even though it wasn't about me, even though I love like gossip and shit talk, I just was like, I feel like I'm a part of the problem. Sometimes it goes too far. Yeah, and I just felt like such so icky and I like put it away even though it wasn't about me even though I love like gossip and shit talk I just was like I feel

like I'm a part of the problem. Sometimes it goes too far. Yeah and I'm like triggered by it in a weird way so it makes sense why if you would be like I just can't even watch it I don't know. I was wondering what you thought about this because I was trying to articulate this I I enjoy like this section of Bravo then we'll get into it that's a little more like Summer House and Vanderpump versus Real Housewives. Where Housewives feels like it's mean manufactured drama because they're not as involved in each other's lives

as like Summer House and Vanderpump. The drama's a little more natural to me because they're friends day to day, they travel together. When the show's over, they're really intertwined in each other's lives. And Housewives feels a little less so like that. It is a different generation of people, of course, and they all like adult children,

but it feels like on Housewives, the fighting is like manufactured sometimes in a way that's really mean. Like somebody's standing there with a cue card saying like, bring up Dorinda's drinking. Or like, let's talk about Kyle and Mauricio's affair. Like it feels like they brought up Kyle having an affair in her home when her children were there.

Like it feels disgusting to me and more manufactured maybe than the other shows. Yeah, I do think Bravo's noticed that too because we're in a period where the past seasons of every Housewives show was very toxic. So now they're in this rebranding era of seeing where they go with casting and that's where we have like,

Beverly Hills hasn't fully casted yet or like Potomac just did it or like Atlanta took two years to do it. Not really, but like a long time. So like that's what they were noticing, I think, is that it's gone so toxic that even the housewives don't want to come back. Yeah, it feels like they pick a person every season

that's just gonna be the target. Whereas like, I don't know, like Vanderpump and Summer House to me feels just a little more like these people are involved in each other's lives. I'm watching conversations with these people that like they really know each other on a deep level and they're really friends.

Yeah. Right. It's not like an ensemble cast. Right. It's just like placed together. Yeah. I've also been noticing a trend with reality TV in general where they're like breaking the third wall a lot more. And I feel like with Housewives, they're not doing that yet.

Oh, okay. Did you call it the third wall? She did, but it's the fourth wall. What did I, what did I? That's okay. How are we supposed to know? How do we know how many walls there are, but. What did I, what did I? It's the fourth wall. That's okay. How are we supposed to know? How do we know how many walls there are? Honestly.

Oh my God. But no, what are one through three? That's what I'm saying. I was like, you're breaking a wall. Rain is not here. It's your wall, my wall, and Justin's wall. That's the fourth wall. Rain is not here.

Listen, I'm all the way over here in my, I'm here in my fourth wall. Is that what it is? The fourth wall is like all the cameras, all the lights, like people only see the studio set. They don't see the behind the scenes. Oh, that's what it is? Oh, I thought you meant like each had our own angle.

I'm like, what else here? I always thought of it like a theater. Like if you're on stage in a theater, you have the wings and then you have your set behind you. But it's like breaking the fourth is like into the audience. Right, okay. You're just talking to the cameras or the audience in a Broadway sense.

I literally studied theater in college. I can't believe I just said that. I thought I misheard it. I was like, wait, there? Anyway, I feel like... I was like, I'm just used to triangular stages. I was like, no. That's so funny. I don't know my shapes.

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People are going to podcast to talk about them. Like, you can't talk about Van Der Pump without talking about that. And Summer House, should we get into Summer House? Let's do it. So one of the most interesting things is we open up the episode this week with Carl and Lindsay kind of finalizing their discussion

about money and who makes what and who's gonna stay home and what. And I think that the conversation, you guys talked about this the last week, it's sort of interesting because they refused to break the fourth wall, the two of them, and acknowledged that they do have jobs. They're on TV, that's their job.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I love that. But I will say, I loved Karl finally saying, we have the same job. Rainn and I have been screaming for weeks, you have the same job. Literally. But he finally said basically, okay, well,

she makes 150 and I make 70 or something like that. But that's negligent to then they make the same on the show or something. So it's like, she's just had a few more brand deals this year. I don't know. I just love that he finally said the thing that we've all been screaming as viewers. I'm like, what do you, this is your job? I don't know. It's like so funny.

I agree. And I think they probably make a pretty, I would guess in at least 300,000 each a season, which is not bad for a summer of work. I'm just guessing, but I do see outside of that a lot of the castmates on all these shows have opened up their own thing and have used this, like Craig launched the pillow company and Kyle launched-

Danielle's a CEO and founder. Of what? She did have that launch party for that app. Who knows what? You guys, I looked it up. Of what? It's a special, yeah, it's an app. But I don't, well, let's save up. Of what? It is this, you know, it's this fashion. It's an app. Yeah, it's an app.

But I don't, well, let's save it, let's save it. I just had to throw it in there, because we've got to talk, we're going to have a full day and y'all. But they, I mean, it's just, it's interesting because they don't really acknowledge, like they both have the same job, they make the same amount of money.

I mean, they live in an apartment that they said is what? Like 16, 12 or $15,000 a month. Yeah, it's expensive. I mean, they have, they're not struggling, but I think the real conversation is like, what's the plan here when this is over? Cause how many more seasons of this are we eking out? Yeah.

Right. Cause Lindsay's talking longevity and like, or not consistency, security. Well, Lindsay made it very clear that she's like, I don't really want to work. Like I want you to, I want to stay home, be a mom and you provide the security. Yeah. And Carl is shocked., because this is the first time

that they're having this conversation, but they're engaged. Well, so, okay, but I wanted to ask you guys, because then she was on the after show, or she was on Watch What Happens Live, and then she was like, she almost walked it back a little. She was like, I mean, you guys know me, I can't not work. I'm a busybody. What I meant was, then it kind of seemed like

all she meant was like, Matt, leave. You know, like she was like, if I push out this big baby and then I have to like, I feel like she was trying to say, like, and then I got to take care of my pussy. But like, I don't know if she was, I mean, Lindsay can, you know, she can twist things and manipulate things. So in the show of taping, she could have really been giving off, hey, I want to stay at home and never work again. And then she's trying to walk it back and watch what happens live. So it was like hard to tell and hard to like take her out of her word, obviously. she could have really been giving off, hey, I wanna stay at home and never work again. And then she's trying to walk it back and watch what happens live.

So it was like hard to tell and hard to like take her out of her word, obviously. But I was unclear if she, she doesn't, I don't know. To me, I'm like, Lindsey would still be bringing in money. Then she would turn into like a mommy influencer. Like she would still be like working. And so I think like it's probably somewhere in the middle and not like stay at home mom, I don't make a dime.

And then like, I'm only talking about those three months postpartum, don't know it was hard to tell as a publicist like can you represent yourself is she a publicist which she was like a house yeah had her own had her own firm and everything that's why I was like wouldn't it be even more beneficial to still have your pr firm but then represent yourself too and get all the brand deals you want right it's kind of what she's doing I mean well it says influencer on her. Yeah. Now she no longer has her PR firm. So well, she hasn't had that in a long time. Yeah. Take that down. But the thing that like, I'm very rarely on her side. I heard her on the show. I was like screaming in the car like that's not true. Nick, ask her the real reason this happening.

But I, the only time I'm like really on her side during this is like, we all want to look at our partner and be like, I'm proud of you. I feel like excited by what you have going on. I'm proud of what you do day to day. We all want to look at our partner and think that they're the best thing. So like, I think she's also saying like, I'd like to feel proud of you. That would turn me on. She's also downplaying though, like sobriety is a big thing

to be proud of for him, especially right now. But she's like, in her eyes, that's kind of like a backseat. I feel like she's like, we did sobriety. Yeah, she's like, you already did that last year. Yeah, I just, yeah, the relationship I could. This is my under my other Roman empire. Like, I remember seeing the post that the engagement was called off. I remember like seeing it so a house and I got to tell Raina for the first time ever.

Like I was like, I just, you know, you text your best friend, like their name period. And they're like, what, what happened? And she was like working out at the time. So I like got to break the news to her. I was like, what a rush, you know? So I'm like very invested. I've watched the show for years and just like, you know, we talk about relationships for a living.

So I just am obsessed with relationships and breakups in general. And it was just like, this was so poorly matched from the start, you know? And so watching it unravel and then hearing her go on a media tour and talk about why, and then Carl just staying mom the whole time and being like, you guys are gonna see.

It's just been very fascinating. But these, you know, the first two episodes, I couldn't like believe Lindsay, like, and I feel like the internet, like the vitriol against her was justified. I think Lindsay really exhibits narcissistic tendencies. I don't want to call her a straight narcissist, but like, I think you see a lot of that

and like an unwillingness to accept blame and a little bit of a superiority complex and like all the things. And I think that like the sobriety is not a match. I think she still wants to get really drunk and can be a bad drunk and he's completely sober. Like everything is just not there for me. And we're obviously watching Unravel

in quote unquote real time. But it's not a hot take. I think they like the idea of like, you've been under my nose the whole time we're meant for each other. And especially being best friends, you would just assume that that would just fall into place. But I'm like, they've already tried

the relationship before. Exactly, it was like such a shit show before. Right, so then it's like, this isn't as shocking. And I think with Lindsay being sober in the beginning of their relationship with him, I think they both felt, you know, like his dad said, like felt very supported and kind of even keeled. And now it's like this tiptoeing around,

I don't wanna tell you who to be and how to act in public or how much you can have to drink. But at the same time, it's like even seeing the comments that she made in the previous episodes of What Are You On and what not. And we're like, OK, so that's you're not providing a safe space for each other at all, you know, and also to bring it on the show where I've always said that to her. I'm like, you guys are only filming on the weekends. So it's like, you know that this is like, I don't know, that just like looks really bad.

But then it's also just like, I know that this is their truth as well. But I this is like, I don't know, that just like looks really bad, but then it's also just like, I know that this is their truth as well, but I'm just like, I don't know. I just feel like it's just like a bad book. Yeah, I mean, the fact that she, I mean, she came on the show, I listened to her talk, I've listened to her in the aftershocks. She really does not see how crazy that behavior was. And Ashley and I watched so much reality TV

where we were friends with a lot of these people. And so we understand that behind the scenes, there's tons of context removed. There's things you don't see. And we've heard people have re-explained scenes to us and we're like, oh my God, that is like really not what was put out to the public. But like, it really just seems like this is actually what was happening. And she still is like, couples fight.

That's what they do. Like, as if it's normal and everybody behaves like this. I died at the Watch What Happens Live when she was supposed to come up with five things. She's learned about herself watching back. Watching Andy be like, what? Wow, and then he was like, this is the self reflection for me or something like that.

Like he kind of threw some shade because I feel like it was like the hugest thing would have been like the way she treated her partner at the time on those first few episodes. And you would have thought she would have taken a note and she was just like, I don't know. I should be a race car driver. I feel like people were like, like, it was wild.

Well, the way she, the stuff that she takes, I couldn't get over it. I'm with you because like there's like A to C and I never understand what her B is. Like I never understand how she gets from A to C because like when she talks about like accusing him of being on drugs, what she says is, my words were really harsh. I mean, words shouldn't have been, no, you shouldn't have accused your partner of being on drugs on national television.

Your words weren't harsh. The idea is disgusting that you did this. And he was owed a genuine apology. Like she won't say, I'm sorry. I mean, again, you can, I'm not gonna diagnose personality disorder. She apologizes for her word choice, but not what she was trying to say.

Yeah, it's like the, I'm sorry you felt that way. Yes, I'm sorry you felt that way. I'm sorry you got so mad. I'm sorry if you got- That I called you cocaine Carl on TV, like geez. It's interesting to not be able to like take some space and really see what happened here. And I'm speaking as a person who, my fiance left me.

I was engaged, he left me the day after our engagement party. I was fucking pissed. I was really mad. And years later, I can look back and say, I don't like what he did, but I understand why he did it. I understand that our dynamic was not great. This did not have the makings of a long-term partnership. I don't see that from Lindsay.

I don't see that's ever going to happen. Yeah. I think it's like, it's so funny, this was two weeks ago, but kind of all still plays in of her with his whole job situation. And she was like, I just, you know, it would really turn me on if you were to, like, she kept using that language. I think she thought that was her tactic of like telling him like, it's a turn off that you don't have a quote unquote job, and I'm like, you guys don't have sex. I feel like this was the wrong avenue to go down. I feel like it's like, what do you mean turn you on?

We haven't fucked in months. It was just kind of funny that that was the avenue she took because it's like, we're talking about two people that don't have a sex life to speak of. Right, right, rated 2.5. Yeah, he's like, well, I don't care what turns you on, Lindsay. We haven't been fucking. But then she's probably like, but that's why.

She's like, that's why, get a job and we'll start fucking again. I don't know, I just found it pretty interesting. The leveraging. I will say I didn't like Danielle. Like I dislike Danielle more than I dislike Lindsay this episode. Yeah.

Yeah, what's to like? This is crazy. I think I saw, I think, and I wanna credit, like I think comments by Slav said this, that like last season she looked a little more sympathetic because she's up against Lindsay, who's always gonna be meaner and louder. But this season she's up against Paige and Gabby and Amanda,

who are just nice and asking her to be kind. Yeah, everything she's doing is unlikable. And from a viewer standpoint, I think that's the general consensus. So, like, this isn't me slamming her. It's just like, from what we know, what makes someone a lik standpoint, I think that's the general consensus. So like this isn't me slamming her. It's just like from what we know, what makes someone like a likable, sympathetic character, she's doing all the opposite things.

If you want to be a wing woman for your friends, then in a party of 200 people, don't go for the same balloon guy. Yeah. You know, jeans. That's what we're fighting about. And then, but then when she said like as a CEO and founder, my jaw dropped. I was like, oh my God, you're never gonna recover from this.

And then I love that Paige was like, but she's not your employee, right? But do you even have employees? What's your company? Like, Paige is one-liners. I mean, we just, we think Paige gets funnier every episode and we're friends with her and we love her. And it's just like, she is, I'm just waiting

for what she's gonna say all the time. Second to none. And she's so tough in a sweet way. Like she's like, your friend is crying in the shower. And Danielle's like, I don't accept this. I don't care. And Paige is like, you just don't care about that. You're just gonna flatline, just be like,

I don't care about this. This is crazy. Like Paige just like really held her feet to the fire and I loved it. And then Danny, I was like, no, what I'm gonna do is go get Bloomguy and short shoot a softcore porn in my bedroom. Guys, they showed a lot of ass.

That was crazy. I was like, is her pussy about to come out? Like, it was a lot. That's when I turned to my boyfriend and I go, am I conservative? What is happening? Because I'm genuinely shocked. Wait, I watched with my boyfriend too

and he was like, do they usually show this much? I'm like, no. Okay, but they go in and out of doing it. Do you remember season one, Lindsay and Everett, she does get naked and get on top of him. I feel like that's how they close out so many episodes. It's all the black and white footage of everybody just getting naked and getting into bed.

It's crazy. But that was the top. But you usually don't see full nudity. And then he just went down on her right away. I was like, did this man know when he signed the waiver? Like, I was like, we're gonna see all of you, sir. He was like, you're about to see what this mouth can do besides blowing balloons up.

Ah! Ah! Ah! Like, I was so dead. The fact that you would get into a fight with your friend, who by the way, you've already fucked her boyfriend. Yes. Do you remember last time?

That's the crazy part. Their whole dynamic is like it's already- They're not friends. Kind of fraught. It's messy. Yeah. Yeah. So the backstory is that Gabby had a boyfriend who cheated on her with Danielle and they

didn't know each other back then, but you're going to let this friendship break down because you need this balloon guy's dick so bad, again, in those jeans. You showed up in those torn up jeans and I was like immediate ick. Well, yeah, but Gabby said on Watch What Happens Live she once he showed up she got the ick and didn't like him anymore yeah which I love that she I thought she was also very funny on the Watch What Happens Live I think she was like very honest and yeah I was I'm a fan Gabby's actually my favorite this season not gonna lie her like confessionals I'm just like yeah you kill me with just one sentence of just a wrap up of what I just saw.

She's really coming to her own this season. I'm really enjoying her. I like her on the after show. I like her and Lindsay's dynamic together. I just, I like her and it made me really, I felt for her because like, Daniel, and I don't know, maybe you guys saw this a different way than I did, but Daniel's like,

I wanna be your wing woman, let's go out, meet dudes, I wanna push you to flirt and get out there. And I don't know how much behind the scenes Gabby is like complaining about being single and saying how sad it is for her, but I don't get that she is somebody who's like begging for help from somebody. And I felt almost like it was unfair to keep being like,

get out there, flirt with this guy, you need to do this. And she's like, I don't actually need to. I don't need your life. Do you think I saw that the wrong way? No, sometimes also though, like I don't actually need to, I don't need your life. Do you think I saw that the wrong way? No, sometimes also though, I don't like to dissect too much because a lot of it's just drunk.

Sometimes you're just like, we've all been there where you're such a big deal. I think that I saw some comments that were saying the next day apology didn't really fit the offense, but I'm also like, I don't even think they, everybody remembers all the details of it. Like they say, I don't remember. Yeah, like I think it was just like,

we've all just been in those things that are seem like the biggest blow up in the world. Everyone's crying and you're all wasted. And then the next day it was like, yeah, that was so embarrassing. Sorry, but sorry. Let's hug it out. Like I don't think that it really was that misplaced.

I think this was just like a big drunk fight. Oh, what I mean is they were in the car on the way to the house, sober, and she's saying to Gabby, I think you should get out there more. And, like, the confessionals are saying, I'm just trying to, like, push her and facilitate this. And it's, I don't know, I guess I get, like, a little bit of that. Because I'm single and I hate when people say to me, like,

well, you're just picking the wrong guy. I'm like, I wasn't asking for your opinion. I am not complaining about being single. It'd be different if I was like, I'm so alone and so sad. And people were like, here's my advice. So I guess I also, it's a little projection, but I hate when people are like, you should fuck that guy. You should get out there.

You should flirt with them. And I'm like, I'm an adult. I've lived a lot of years and I'm all fucking sad. That's actually a great call. Like that is very, that's there are two types of people in this situation. One that's like actually asking for your advice and input and one that's like, I'm fine, I didn't ask.

So when you really, people just really push their advice on you without being asked. Especially because Gabby's, Gabby said her father even is being like, who are you dating? Like you need to date, you need to do this. So everybody's perpetuating this, it's not okay to be single idea. Right.

But also who gives you the authority to point out who I should be hooking up with and be like, you're failing, you're failing if you don't. It's like, I'm not into it. Yeah. Did you see the jeans? Yes. Guys, please, look at me and then look at, no, I don't want that balloon guy.

And just because your idea of like pulling in some ass at the club tonight is your idea of fun, that doesn't mean it's mine. True. And it's not, if you get self-worth from it, like walking into the club, taking the hottest guy home, that's fine. That's not where everybody derives their happiness. Thanks. Thank you so much.

Guys, can we talk about Old Navy spawn? Oh, that was hysterical. The second they walked in, I was like, Old Navy. I was like, well, I was watching it with my boyfriend, he was like, not in this world. And the second they showed like a shot of the, you know, like the signage, I was like, this is unreal. And I was like, this is unreal. And I was like, this is paid. He was like, what are you saying?

I'm like, no, no, no, just wait. And then they ran the ad on Instagram, but I was dead. Like the fact that they were like, well, okay, Sierra, you gotta pick up this fucking cardigan you never wear and Amanda go get a floppy hat. And then you girls recap over the racks at Old Navy. And this is like no shade to Old Navy, but like they wouldn't go there to talk.

Like you wouldn't go to- These are three fashion icons. Old Navy on six like they wouldn't go there to talk. Like you wouldn't go to three fashion icons. Let's go to Old Navy on Sixth Ave and chat it up. You know, like I was like, this is so nuts. And like, yeah, I'm sorry. Like they aren't shopping there. This is like, no shade, but they went there as if it was a coffee shop to talk.

You know, they're revolved girls. They're revolved girls. Yes, exactly. They're not on Old Navy. No, they're legitimate fashion icons. All three of them. It was the three most fashionable women. On all of Bravo.

Yes. And they're like, put them next to the cardigan rack at Old Navy. What did Paige think? Paige, she was like, I got to go to Old Navy? And she was like, I know I do Amazon, but this is a different thing. But Amazon, at least there's good dupes, good finds.

Old Navy is just Old Navy. I love Old Navy, though. I'm an Old Navy stan. There are deals. This isn't a shade. I don't want to sound elitist. I love an Old Navy, too. I've been in that Old Navy in Chelsea.

It was random. You knew it was yours. There was a lack of reality on reality TV. Like when Sierra picked up that thing, I'm like, no, Sierra is going to have her titties out and she's not wearing that. She is the anti-cardigan. I've never not seen her titties out. You can't cover up that body.

It felt forced because they shot that scene for them to catch up and tell Amanda what they thought of her. You would never go do that. You know, like, do you think you have an identity outside of this Old Navy? Like, yes. Amanda's like, I'm just feeling really like attacked at this Old Navy right now.

I could really use a performance please to wrap up and feel safe. And meanwhile, Amanda's talking about her new fashion brand that she wants to start. Oh my God. While trying on the big jacket at Old Navy. That is so funny. It felt like the most forced product placement

I've ever seen on a television show. Even if you're at home drinking something or you're wearing it, but to take them to the store. Also, it's a show about the Hamptons. They're like, you're gonna be in Manhattan. You're gonna go to this Old Navy. It's just the B-roll of the Old Navy. I couldn't get over it.

And then at the very end, again, I'm like watching my boyfriend who still is like, so not in this world, like reality TV or in like brand wise, you know, and I was like, they're going to do a shot at the end watch. And like, sure enough it panned out and there's that Old Navy. And I was like, I told you,

an hour later the ad pops up on Instagram. Like it just, I couldn't get over it. And then I'm like, I really hope these girls got some of that money. Cause like they were probably like, we had to go to the old Navy. I got no shade. I used to spend a lot of time in that building. I go to the bed bath and beyond. I'd go to the Marshalls in the basement. Yeah, I like Express is like going bankrupt. It's like crushing my soul. Like I love these brands. These are like mine, my brands that I grew up on. Like it's no shade. It

was just very funny. It's like weird product placement. Like we're back in the movies kind of thing where it's like, oh, that Mountain Dew, like, you know. It was a pretty public place to accuse your friend of having no identity outside of her husband. I wanted to hear what you guys all thought because she seemed to take it with like love, but I've seen mixed reviews. So I was curious what the household thought.

I would have cried, but I think it was a good thing for her to hear it. Cause I think it was one of the things she needed to hear it for what it was. Yeah. To like realize it. And I feel like it shows just thing for her to hear it. Cause I think it was one of the things she needed to hear it for what it was. Yeah. Yeah. To like realize it. And I feel like it shows just like that they're real friends.

You know what I mean? Cause sometimes like where I'm like, uh, maybe I wouldn't receive that as well. But if we've been friends for a long time and I know that you have my best interest at heart, then I'm like, I'd prefer you to be direct with me, then beat around the bush. And if you think that it's going to help me grow as a person, which I mean, clearly Amanda does feel like she wants to have her own things, but we've never heard her talk about it either up until now.

So like maybe even that was like a push that she needed. I think it's all about like how somebody receives feedback. Like I'm the kind of person like if my and my best friends would know this, that like if they're gonna give me like negative feedback or not negative feedback, but like, constructive criticism. I want it flowery, but I love you,

but you're amazing, you know what I mean? And then there are people who just need to hear it. To be fair, I kind of feel like Sierra and Paige took the like angel and devil on the side because you had Sierra that was like, who are you outside of Kyle? And then you have Paige that was like, but I think if you saw you the way that I saw you,

you would thrive, you know what I mean? So I kind of feel like they were both kind of like, cause they knew what the conversation was going to be, but Sarah's like, nope, this is how I am direct. And Paige was like, but just know we love you and we just think you deserve more, which. Well, I think most people, if you're going to give that type of feedback,

you need to also wrap it in compliments that are genuine, of course. Like I think they were like, you're brilliant and you're creative and like this, and that's true. Yeah, like that coming from Danielle would have been a different story. She would have been like, as're brilliant and you're creative. And like this, and that's true. Yeah, like that coming from Danielle would have been a different story. She would have been like, as a CEO and founder, I think that you just don't have a life

outside of your husband's branch. But I think they were like, you're amazing. I think about like you and my relationship because we're best friends. You and I are at the level where we could give each other that type of feedback. Those girls are best friends outside of the show. Like we've spent time with them together.

They do have like a really fun, close friendship. I'm sure Amanda has said a lot, I don't feel like I have an identity outside of him. She opened the door to it and like, listen, if you said that to me, I feel like it would hurt my feelings, but I know that it was coming from the person knows me the best, that is the most qualified

to have that discussion with me. Yeah, and people lose themselves in relationships. I'm not saying that she's completely lost, but you don't know it if you're in it, or you wouldn't make that choice. So sometimes it just is like a slow drip and it happens over time, and you need the people closest in your life

to check you a little bit. And being like, I think you've kind of lost who you are, and we'd love to see you get it back. I also- So I didn't, I don't know, I didn't feel like it was me in spirit at all. Yeah. Obviously not. Yeah, I'm with you. I also't feel like it was mean-spirited. Obviously. Yeah, I'm with you.

I also felt like I was surprised by like how much Amanda like actually has done for like Loverboy. Cause I feel like Kyle's always like, what was me, what was me? I do everything. And it was like, she kept your life afloat while you were starting a business, which is like epically hard to do,

let alone get it off the ground. Loverboy is super successful. She designed the boxes like without the merch, like without Amanda, there is no Loverboy. Lee Macello, her idea. Amazing. Well, I do wanna talk about Vanderpump in a second, but it reminds me of what Sheena says about Brock,

which is like, I may make more money than him, but none of this exists without him essentially. And that's kind of how you want Kyle to look at Amanda, which is like, maybe I bring home the bigger paycheck because I own the company essentially, I'm the founder, but like none of it exists at all without them. I mean, working with your spouse in their case, but partner, like I don't know how people do it.

I, working together and being married and living in an apartment in New York, I can't even believe it. Like I couldn't do it. It couldn't be me. Like so props to them for even surviving the gauntlet of those things. I think it's shocking.

That's how I end up unsnapped. Like totally. So I mean, who knows what's. I mean, Ashley and I run two businesses together. We're obviously platonic. We're not romantic, but we run two businesses together. We have a very similar friend group, we spend a lot of time together

to also go home at night together. I can't even imagine, no breaks ever, no decompress. Last thing about Summer House, I wanna talk about is Carl's discussion with his parents. Stepdad Lou went in. That was a lot for a stepparent. I don't know that my stepdad would do that. I loved it.

I thought it was also sweet, he referred to them as his parents. My boyfriend flagged them, he was like, is that weird, Like, is it's newer? And I was like, no, it feels like he must've stepped into a father role to where Carl respects his opinion. I thought it was really sweet. I don't know if I ever knew that he was a minister or if I'd forgotten, but at the beginning of the conversation, I was like, oh, is this, is he overstepping? But then he felt even more qualified to speak on a marriage as someone who marries people. So it was like, it came from this parental,

but also professional place. And I don't know, I'm curious if that, is the breakup like next week, like is this the final nail in the coffin was the parent conversation? I was trying to figure it out. I don't think it must be coming up. You're watching Carl like digested in real time, I guess.

I mean, who knows what's real. But it just felt like he has doubled down on his commitment to this relationship. I felt like until that conversation, I feel like you could feel his tone change towards it or something. I also think it was the conversation with Lindsay as well that he was like,

I don't know what you want for the future and we're about to get married and I don't know if these are for the future and we're about to get married and I don't know if these are immediate red flags, like, do we continue on? So I feel like he was kind of like, oh, and then his dad or his stepdad doubled down with like, I wouldn't marry you guys if somebody said that to me, I would be really reconsidering my life decisions.

Yeah, you know, when you have a conversation with someone and you're like seeking advice, but you also know what they're gonna say and like, you know what the right decision is, but you just need to hear it from the people who you love most and trust most. That's what this conversation kind of felt like to me. It was like, he knows what the right decision is,

but he needs to have this conversation with his parents to reconfirm it. And like, I kind of felt like while he did get emotional, there was like a little bit of relief from him where he was like, they agree with me, like, this isn't right. Yeah, I mean, his mom is the person's opinion. I think he holds the highest regard. And this is like a beautiful, kind conversation. They weren't like throwing grenades at Lindsay either. Her mom was like, I care about her, you know, in general,

generally speaking, these things are not good. Well, I want to ask you guys, because I think the main critique I'm seeing that got brought up from Gabby, even on Watch Happens Live, is just everybody saying he's talking about his relationship with everyone but Lindsay. And I don't disagree, but I'm also like, but that's kind of what you have to do sometimes. I don't know.

It's just like, you have to unpack this with other people to even figure out how you feel about a situation. So it doesn't feel insidious. It feels like he's trying to find the answers and he's not going around talking shit and not bringing something up to her. I think he's trying to figure out if he's supposed to stay in this relationship.

But I feel like I'm seeing a lot of that commentary. Oh, interesting. Cause I feel like probably I'm just guessing behind the scenes, I'm assuming you do talk to your partner a little bit. And if your partner is gaslighting you and totally, and I'm not saying she's the boy, if she will invalidate every single thing that you say, you are going to seek out validation from somebody else.

And like you said, with his mom, like he already knows these things, but he wants somebody who's opinion he respects to say, like, yes, you are correct. This is what's happening, because I think that like you can only go so far with your partner before you're like, I need to seek out some other help. That's a great call to also just thinking about who the partner is, which is Lindsay. And she's just it's not going to go well. If he was like, Hey, I'm having doubts. Like, I don't know, who knows, but I just, I love this season of somehow so much,

like the way that we've been waiting and counting down for months for it. And like, I think just also from what Rain and I do for a living and just dissecting relationships and talking about them and dating, like, we have it all. We have like this Lindsay and Carl couple that's about an engagement. We have this marriage to dissect. We have like Sierra and West even, and the dynamics there, and I don't know, Paige and Craig.

I mean, I'm in a long distance relationship, so that speaks to me. Like, I just, we have it all. Like, I have no, I don't know that I've ever loved like a season of reality show as much as I love this. It's the best season. And I feel like, you know, so much of the time when there's like this one major thing,

you're all waiting for this breakup of Carlyl and Z, that's the only storyline. And like everybody has a storyline this season. I'm loving it. And I just, I get so sick of like Vanderpump. I mean, I don't know what else they were gonna do, but like Tom and Ariana's house is like the central focus of every episode. And I'm just like, can we talk about something else?

Like, Sheena and Brock are like carrying the rest of the season. Yeah. And it was like, the show that I was the most surprised by was The Valley, because I genuinely was like, what are they gonna do here? Like, how are you gonna make this interesting? And then I've been shocked every episode.

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Do you guys feel that way? Do you guys like the Valley right now? I love it. I think it's another thing I like about the Valley is they all are clearly friends. And I just, I enjoy that dynamic is that there's like history. Janet was like, she knocked out my husband at one point. Like they have known each other a long time. Janet was in Sheena's wedding, her first wedding, I think. They are really intertwined and I have really missed like Jackson and Brittany on the screen.

Kristen, not so much, but like Kristen and Jax were born to be reality TV stars. Kristen has been like teasing this secret all season. We finally like got to see this all culminate, this episode. I think that this was the greatest fourth wall break I have ever seen on a reality show. That they're in the hallway with production and Kristen is screaming production.

And you get Jesse runs into the hallway and he's like, if you reveal this on camera, I'll burn your fucking life to the ground you see all the cameras it's like chaos and then the dinner before that everybody's just fighting with each other and all just yelling at their spouses and yelling at each other across the table it was like one of the greatest ten minutes of television. She takes her mic off and then says that did you take her mic off before she said it? I think she when she actually reveals the secret which is that like allegedly Michelle has had a boyfriend

for like the last year or something or did previously. I think she took her mic off before her boyfriend's mic wasn't on. Yeah, no, you still hear her. Yeah, there's mics everywhere. You fully hear her. There's like a boom mic. Oh, the person's like, I'm getting this on.

I'm getting this mic. Production was like, yes. Yeah, they're not gonna miss that moment. It was insane. Michelle is in the hallway screaming, her nipples out, she's just like, she's still going in her hold. Jesse pushing Zach up against the wall, I was like, I'll protect him at all costs.

And then I watched a clip recently of that fight again, and I was like, I didn't realize that Jesse was just bulldozing down the hose. Yeah, he went, Zach, Brittany, Kristen, and then trying to get to Luke. And it was just like, oh, you just did not care. You were just like, everybody's getting a hand to the throat. Oh my God. I'm with Rayna. This is like topping my reality TV, like breaking the fourth wall,

because it used to be Jen Shaw fleeing the FBI. This one takes number one. And then Jen Shaw is really bad. Oh my God. Like, you just do a power ranking of this. Yeah, the best fourth wall breaks. It's crazy. You never see all the cameras.

I mean, the amount of cameras you see and just producers running around, and it's at the Mondrian, which is so great, because that was on Vanderpump last week. And it just was so amazing. Listen, I feel bad for these people, it sucks. Unless they have a child, they're married. But you do know also now, fast forward,

that their marriage has ended, that they have separated, and she's in a new relationship. But I don't know, I'm not like rooting for either one of them. I don't like root for her either necessarily. I just, she said something that really resonated with me because I have divorced parents and she said, I think it's healthier for my child to have two people that love each other not in the same home

than two people that hate each other in the same home. So that like resonated with me, but like these are people that should not be together. No way. They said they haven't had sex in three and a half years or something. I mean, you've got Jessie like hitting on. Burning Man girl.

Burning Man girl, yeah, mermaid girl. And I was just like, oh, this is gross. Yeah. She's right there. She, so there's this girl, she's selling clothing at this event for Burning Man. Her titties are out, she's like 23, she's so hot. Jax and Jessie are like hitting on her. And Jessie's like, see, people do find me charming.

And it's like, this is gross. You're somebody's husband. I want my wife to wear that outfit. And it was just like, you're not doing what you think you're doing. I feel like it was like, he thought that that was like going to be like, look, like I'm covering up for myself. And it's like, no, it's just making you seem even. And then we know that right before that dinner, Jesse found out that Michelle was talking to the therapist and was like thinking about separating, right? That's what kind of like set him off the whole night. Well, Kristin, she delivered the information incorrectly

because Jax who, Jax purposely tells people information knowing that it's gonna get out. You know what I mean? Like he just doesn't, he's such a shitster. Can we just talk about how unnatural the meetup between Jasmine and Jax was? That it was like, I don't think these two people are grabbing a beer in the middle of the day.

Is this the first time you two have ever spoken to each other? She opens the seat with like, I just wanted to catch up and see what was up. And I was like, girl, you are not selling this. You're like, why am I here? Why don't you be here for this? And then Jax was like, don't tell anybody this. Yeah, don't tell anyone.

I love when people on reality TV start sentences like that. You're on national television. I love it. Especially Jax. I want to put a compilation together of Jax doing that specifically. Truly. And it's also the way that he tries to hide behind Kristen.

Like being like, yeah, we never know what we're gonna get. It's crazy. Kristen, I'm like, look at what you're doing right now, sir. You're doing exactly what you're saying that she's going to do. Yeah, but Kristen told Jesse that she delivered the information incorrectly about like who said,

cause it was Jesse at the pool who said that he thought that Michelle was gonna leave him within the next three months. But the way that Kristen delivered it was she said that, what did she say? She said that Michelle said it? She told Michelle, Jesse said on camera, he's gonna leave you.

Yeah, she said, Jesse said that he's gonna leave you in a few months. So Kristen was the therapist. Kristen was just delivering information wrong, but it just caused a whole mess of... It's pretty standard. I actually was wondering what you guys thought about this, cause like, I think with Summer House,

it's so clear that like Carl and Lindsay are headed for a breakup, but I don't know that I feel that about Jackson Brittany. I don't think that he's ever been so kind to her, so honest to her, and I think she's put up with a lot. This dynamic to me doesn't seem so like we're heading for a divorce. I think a lot of couples have a kid and their sex life takes a nosedive, and it doesn't necessarily on the surface, watching it seems so toxic, necessarily.

Well, she moved out back in January and kind of gave him a list of things. This is what Zach said when he was on the show a couple weeks ago, but he was saying that she gave him essentially a very basic list of things he would need to do to correct, and for her to move back in, and he's done none of it. So it's like he's very okay with her not living in the house.

But weren't these things, and weren't these things just happening in the last 10 years anyways? Like why all of a sudden? Right, I'm wondering if we're gonna see the straw that broke the camel's back. I think we are, because there's a fight in the preview

where she was like, and my own husband coming after me or something like that, but it's like, I think we see more and more, because Jax on television just does not care about anyone. Everyone is a storyline. I feel like, you know what I mean? On screen. I feel like a little tense when he's on the screen.

Even when he was in the Vanderpump episode. I was just like, I mean, I guess, I don't know. He's just constantly producing. Even though Sid Don was Lisa Vanderpump and everything, it's like, you could come correct, but instead you're like, well, you know, I don't need to make apologies for anything. It's like really combative all the time.

Yeah. Talk about breaking the fourth wall. Jax is fully a producer on this show. Like he's producing this whole thing. He is the fourth wall. I am the Queens Boulevard. I am the fourth wall. Well, that brings us to Vanderpump rules, I guess.

So Jack has a cameo. He, I say Jack, Jax has a cameo. He, I say Jack, Jack has a cameo. He opens it up with James Kennedy. It is so awkward seeing it together. He's like, we're going to host this brunch at Sir. And then Lisa gets there and Lisa's like, what? Did you not know? Is that the first time she's finding out? I mean, maybe she's like a great actress, but like it genuinely felt like this is the first she's catching wind of this, but she's there. Like, it's like all of it felt, she's like, I'm sitting here at the brunch that I didn't know

was happening at my restaurant. That's true. When's the last time they saw each other? Like, is it? When she's being held against her will, because she's like, I don't want to sit here. And I feel like there's an off-camera conversation of producers being like, no.

Like, 10 minutes. Yeah. I am curious what everyone thinks about the crossover between Vanderpump and The Valley, because they're doing it on both shows. And then specifically in this episode of Vanderpump, there was just a lot of Jax and Brittany

in the first like 10 minutes. Doesn't it help? Is it giving like Paige on Southern Charm? Yeah, I think that- Like it just helps both, right? I think it helps the Bravo universe. I think people like the cross-project. I also think when filming it, probably Vanderpump,

those producers were like, we don't know if the Valley's gonna take off. So let's interject some characters. It seems smart. It seems like a great plan. Makes sense. I have a hot take though, because it's kind of, it does kind of bother me a little bit, just because it's just like all of a sudden, I'm like, wait, which show am I watching here?

Yeah, that's true. Who's on what show? Because it just seems like they don't know what's gonna happen with Vanderpump either, like with, because it's like, is Ariana gonna leave? Is it gonna be their final season? Or are, and then you have Sheena and Lala buying houses and going to all the parties on the Valley, so it's like, or are we gonna take cast members from VPR

and move them over to the Valley? I don't know, so it just feels like, I'm thinking too many other extended questions where I'm like, I can't really focus, because all of a sudden I'm like, wait, why is Jackson 40 minutes of Vanderpump rules right now? Jackson's felt not purposeful.

And it's so funny, he was like at the restaurant. Yeah, obviously Lisa knew this brunch was happening. He's just like, I don't understand all this brunch that I'm at right now. Yeah, I was confused. I was like, wait, is this the brunch that she's talking about not knowing about? I think it was,

because then they just went right over to the DJ booth. I was so confused. It took me a second, I was just like, but aren't we at the brunch? Yes, like she, literally, she was like, she looked like a prisoner. She was just like there against her will. I was like, are they having a meeting about this brunch that is happening right now?

You're so right, like plausible deniability, you can tell her this at her house, and like, it's like, she doesn't run every event, if it's sir, but like, but it's funny, like, you know, I know again, it's a TV show, whatever, but it's like, I don't know, is she on Instagram? Does she not see the flyer?

Like, did it not come across her desk before this? Like, she was like, wait, I just saw that Sir, like it just was funny. That's really funny. Well, you also have James like asking for forgiveness, not permission, where he's like, so like, are we good? Like, is it cool for him to stay? And it's like, he's already here.

Well, the brunch is happening. It's already over, actually. It took me a minute. I had to rewind to be like, is this the brunch? I'm still confused. I'm like, was it? I still don't know. Lisa's really good, though, at acting

like she doesn't know these things. She sells it to me. Like, I think there's been a bunch of scenes, like when Stassi comes back in like, I'm just gonna, I don't know, season four maybe, and she's like, apologize to Lisa, get back on the show. Lisa looks like she has seen a ghost, but like, Lisa's the executive producer, isn't she? It's on the call sheet. You will have a talk with Stassi at the restaurant today. So it's just like, you did know. Listen, that bitch is good. Get her an Oscar.

What I will say is a meaningful appearance. I really liked Brittany on this episode. And I like that conversation. And I think that it's true. Like how many other people can really relate to Sheena? You are currently in this marriage that you're not sure about. They both have kids the same age and they've been on reality television a long time. Like, I really enjoyed that conversation.

Yeah, I felt like a real genuine conversation between friends, like discussing issues in their marriages and like being vulnerable. I also just like her voice is very like soothing. Brittany's like, yeah. You like that Southern drawl. I like, I just, I don't know, like maybe it like brought me back to my college girlfriends,

but I like, I just like, it felt very like she helped her through it. It is really sweet. And I think that Sheena and Brock say what you want about them. I know you guys say on the show. I think they've been very generous with their lives this season about money issues and Brock not working and him feeling like his wife won't take any time away from the kid and

that his or mom's there all the time. Like they both have like brought to the forefront some issues that I think majority of couples, a lot of them deal with and they've been really open about the money stuff. I've been saying that she's been carrying the show. Yeah, I agree. I thought that this episode in particular between like the conversation that Sheena has with Brittany and then their date later and Brock with his friend,

I thought that they were like being incredibly mature about like the conversations that they were having about, you know, like Sheena being the main breadwinner, Brock feeling like he doesn't have his thing anymore. And when he had the gyms and all that, like it was fulfilling him in a way and now he just feels kind of lost. And then also, he even opens up about his kids, like him being a father. And that was like, I was shocked by that. Yeah, I mean, they definitely got into like a bigger conversation of women making more too and and like why can't it be this way and it's like well it can both parties Just have to be happy and not harboring resentment towards the other

I like normalizing it but like a woman can be the breadwinner and I like how she spoke about it I like that. She even said like I don't want him to have a job takes him away from me 60 hours a week I like that he's here. Yeah, and then the whole like this is your redo with the with the kid I don't know who was crying. I was like I's here. Yeah. And then the whole, like, this is your redo with the kid. I don't know, he was crying. I was like, I did like how she said she brought sex toys to their anniversary. I was like, what sex toys?

We just glossed right over them. Like, what toy? We have a sex toy company, if you guys are new around here. Like, we have a sex toy company. So I'm like, I caught on that immediately. I'm like, what are they into? Like, what kind of toys? She, I feel like, would get freaky.

I feel like she does anal. There's butt plugs and hand plugs. Yeah, I think she gets freaky. I could definitely see it. Brock, I saw Brock the other day at FedEx and he's sexy. Sexy, but he's a big guy. Did you see that they were just on Lopez and Lopez? I did not.

No. Did you see Sheena and Katie's, is it Chili's commercial? Yes. It's good. So good. It's very funny. Yes. I have a high bar for commercials

because they're so terrible and corny most of the time, but I was just like this espresso martini at Chili's commercial, it's iconic. When Katie drops out of line, they're not even famous. I was like, that's amazing. Yeah, they're both so good in it. And then Sheena worked a shift at Chili's. Yeah.

What? She's waiting tables, yeah. I guess my only thing, and this might just be, Yeah, they're both so good in it. And then she no work to shift at Chili's. Yeah. What? That's obsessed. She's waiting at tables, yeah. I guess my only thing, and this might just be, I'm not a Bravo historian like Raina and the rest of you guys, but I guess the one moment I just didn't love, I feel like he was like shouting from the pool,

you don't have to put the kid to bed. We just are so big on being a united front as a partnership. And it just felt like I would hate that. And maybe that's their dynamic, but it just felt like there was no united front about it. There was just like, the kid will be fine. What are you supposed to say?

I don't know, it just, that really rubbed me the wrong way. But you know. You're right, I forgot about that. It was a crazy pool party in general. Yeah. Yeah, and then that was just the beginning of all the chaos ensuing, but. What I liked about the pool party,

I like Ariana and Tom's conversation. 100%. I see it, just some growth. Listen, I give her all Tom's conversation. I do say I see it just some growth It's like listen, I give her all the credit in the world They are filming this season three months after her entire life was burned down to the ground She can act however, she fucking wants. I just forget that like the time I do too when people are like she seems so bitter It's like yeah, would you want to be around him? That's just drawing a normal boundary and so is Katie

But I thought their conversation was Schwartz where she could at least just joke around a little bit, like knowing that he knew about this all this time, like it would be very tough for me to be around him ever. This is literally proof that all she needed was time. And look, even just a couple episodes in, she's already like cool with Tom Schwartz again. So it's like, Yeah, this is the most of like, I have to keep the timing in mind.

Like we, you like can't, you have to, I think it's really important cause of like the I have to keep the timing in mind. Like we, you can't, you have to, I think it's really important because of like the way she acted on the reunion before, when you, and you're reminded that was days after. Like, so this like, this has been a year for us, but like, yeah, like you said, just a few months after, that's like so important to keep in mind. People are always just like,

you need to let it go and lighten up. She's like, I don't want to be at the beach with him. He fucked my best friend and he lied to me hundreds of times. I actually, I want to give her more credit then now that I'm realizing the timeline. Cause even when they're like, do you care if he moves in to your house?

And she's kind of like, I guess if he can pay the mortgage, like I don't know, what do you? My dream house? Yeah, she's pretty, she has more chill than, yeah, that's fair. Yeah. I think that she's, I mean, I don't know, what do you, my dream house? So yeah, she's pretty, she is more chill than, yeah, that's fair. Yeah, I think that she's, I mean, I'm just, whatever she wants to do and however she wants to be, and she has really spoken out about him the least of anybody.

She's been the least kamikaze-ish of everybody. But I gotta tell you, when Tom yelled across the party about Sheena having an affair, I felt like he pressed the nuclear reactor button. She leapt off the ground. I was like, I could see it bubbling up in his body because he's always ping-ponging back and forth between apology and being contrite and being like, I wanna defend myself.

You can tell that it's always happening when he was like, that's why you had a fucking affair, broke up a family. She leaped off the ground. Rightfully so though. I feel like Sheena's been trying to sympathize with Sandoval this whole season so far, and it took one comment for it to be like, he's not taking it the right way.

Also, didn't she say that she didn't know that this man was married and that it was when she was 21 years old? I was gonna say, regardless of what she knew then, it's still, she was 21 years old when she made this decision, you were 40. Like you should know better. This is apple and oranges.

It was a really low blow. I didn't know if you guys felt like that was completely authentic to him or a producer put that in his ear. I don't know, because the episode was- He did it to James too though. I think, yeah. That's like par for the course

because the episode felt really nice and calm until then and then it just like blew up in seconds. Like we need drama in this episode. I was like whiplash. I was like, this is nice. We're just kind of like, cause I don't love a ton of like screaming in drama. So I was just like, this is a nice episode.

And then I watched like, boom. She has like really written for him to the point of like sort of upsetting her relationship with Ariana a lot. And she's really tried to like bring him back into the fold and so for him to do that and like. He's taking it for granted for sure. Yeah, listen, I think that we all have our own, we talked to Esther Perel on our show about this.

We all have our own narrative about like, if I had an affair and you had an affair, yours is worse than me. And we can always like tell like, well, this is why this is worse. But like on the hierarchy of having an affair, like cheating with your significant others, close friend, and having that person around them all the time,

and you're in your forties and this person was almost 30. That is the top tier of like the worst thing you can do. I think it's the farthest end of the spectrum of any cheating thing I've ever heard in real life or in pop culture otherwise. I think it's the top. Yeah. Yeah. And it wasn't just once. It was like hundreds of times. Happens. Yeah. Like for months. Right. Like her grandma's funeral. I mean, just the whole thing. Yeah, funeral. The whole thing once, it was like hundreds of times. Yeah, like for her grandma's funeral. I mean, just all the whole thing.

The whole thing. It's horrifying. I mean, when he says like, I'm not a bad person, I did a bad thing, you did hundreds of bad things. You did a bad thing over and over and over and over again. And you keep doing it. And lied about it. You also, it's not like you came forward with this

because you were so like eating up with your guilt. Like who knows how long this would have actually gone on had. Forever. You know? Yeah, and it's the same thing with Rachel. Like whenever she tries to say like, I'm doing better, up with your guilt, like who knows how long this would have actually gone on had. Forever. You know? Yeah. And it's the same thing with Rachel. Like whenever she tries to say like, I'm doing better, it's like, but you're still not.

Like you're still talking about Ariana and you're still- Wearing her clothes. Yeah. Like her haircut. Suing her. I mean, I'm sure if you asked, I'm sure if you asked Brandi Glanville, like was what Sheena did to you the worst thing, she would say yes. But, and I'm not saying like if you're 21,

you get like a pass, but like, I don't know. When Sheena said this was in 2006, I was like. I feel like Brandi's over it too. Like everybody forgot it happened until Sandoval was like, oh, there you go. Yeah, I was like, Justin was born in 2006. Okay, no I wasn't. Not that yet.

I just think the internet wasn't what it was back then. I mean, yeah, she could have Googled Eddie Sibri, but who the fuck has ever heard that guy before that? I get people. She also said that he said that he was separated. So I'm just kind of like, so you're not gonna find anything on a Google search that says separated, but working towards divorce.

Not about him. Exactly, that's what I'm saying. Even if he was still fully married, that's just information that most sleazy men that are gonna have an affair would tell a younger girl. I'm separated but like we're gonna get divorced soon. Yeah. But you know, you cannot throw something in my face that I did at 21. That's just crazy. I was a completely different person. That's like very young. Like I know you know the difference between right and

wrong, but like just barely. Like I don't know, you're like just barely not a dumb teenager. I just, it seems it was just, it was like such a love blow. It was random, yeah. That's a good question though. Maybe it was a producer like influence. Like they were like, you have 20 seconds, she's leaving, throw it out there. She's got to put her kid to bed, 9 p.m. bedtime, and they're like, Tom, go.

I mean, I think that that just is who he is. I mean, he's the king of I'm Sorry But. And I think he, everybody has a right to defend themselves. I don't think I'm Sorry But is always the worst thing in the world. I do think you can say, I am sorry, however, here's my side of things. Like, actually I always laugh about people saying,

like, you seem defensive. I'm like, yeah, I'm defending myself. I hear people say that, that you seem defensive. You attacked me. I'm actually, I'm playing defense. That's crazy to me. Like, I think it's so crazy when people, like, don't expect you to explain yourself.

Like, if somebody does something to me, I actually want to know why they did it. Of course, the genuine apology is wonderful, but I also do want the explanation. And then it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, don't be defensive. Stop gaslighting me. Yeah. Give me a good one, but give me a good explanation. Because he can't do it.

Guys, I'm not defending. I'm just not complaining the two. I'm just saying, I'm sorry, like I can be sorry for something I did and also wanna explain the route we took to get there. So I think that that's his MO. He's always, I'm sorry, but he said to James, I'm sorry I slept with your fiance, but you slept with Kristen.

And James is also like, I was 21. In comparison to what he did last year. Like that's what's crazy. He's like 2006, you did this and we're like, yeah, but 2023, you did much worse. Right. What did you guys think about Sheena saying that now she has thoughts of Brock and Lala? Just because people say it on the internet. Is that really it?

Did I miss something? Is it just cause like, or is it cause it started with like people making comments and then it transitioned into Tom did this. Well, there's also, there was a scene at the brunch when they were like, should we go have a pool party? And Lala was like, let me call my husband real fast to see if it's okay. And she like fake rings it.

And then Brock is like, it's okay, you can go. Oh my God. So like, people caught that. So there's little like comments that are made. Maybe they made that as a joke of the comments. Yeah, it was like, show Sheena's face. And she's like, I'm not looking happy. There was also in season 10, which I think is where it came from,

that Lala caught like emotional, cause remember the season prior, she was accusing him of being a deadbeat dad. Season 10, she was like, I really take back everything I say. And like, he's helping raise my daughter and how much I love him. So I think people took that as like,

watch your back Sheena, but like, I don't think that that was the intention at all. Because Lala is like the quote unquote Raquel in the scenario where she's like the single friend on the side and Lala and Sheena have like houses next door to each other and Lala's a single mom and so they do spend like a lot of time together. I don't know, I think that it does,

I think this is why Scandival was such a big deal. Every single person said to themselves, could this happen to me? Yeah, I think that's why she was saying it. She was like, this happening has put those thoughts into my head now that weren't there before. And like the parallel is exact. Yeah.

It's not exact, it's close. It would be the same. And you know, I think they're all like, well, if the show, you know, the numbers start going down, we gotta make it happen. No. Everybody knows. She's just calling it to bonus. It's gonna happen. No. Everybody knows. She's just all like, it's a bonus.

It's gonna happen. Yeah. No, okay. Well, maybe I'm not, you never know. No, I mean, you never know. I felt for her in that moment. Yeah. That's a tough thing to think about.

That's really, and then once you think it, you can't unthink it. I just, that was tough. And I think that's every woman's worst fear, you know? It's like, oh, would my best friend hook up with my partner? Like, yeah, you know, you would honestly know It makes me like Full body. I mean we've talked about it and I said like I can't imagine a scenario

We're like I am with your partner and I lied to your face every single day about it I mean, it's my worst nightmare to like be that evil. Yeah, I'd never recover. Yeah, I don't know that most people would um Well, maybe we wrap up with some dog stuff James Kennedy in the dog like be that evil. Yeah, I'd never recover. Yeah, I don't know that most people would. Well, maybe we wrap up with some dog stuff. James Kennedy and the dog. James has to find a reason to cry every episode. He stresses me out too. He's so soft, the loose cannons of it all.

I'm just like, what's gonna happen? I'm enjoying the cry though, because I feel like previously he wasn't like this soft, like wholesome person, but now he's crying about like genuine issues, in my opinion. Yeah. He's comparing it to leaving his dog with a sitter

to leaving a baby with a sitter. That was wild. Like, I don't know. Lala was like, what? Did you just say it? I love my dog, but like, if I'm going on vacation, she's going to a sitter and I'm not gonna think twice about it.

Yup. I don't, they've got to figure that out. I'm a huge dog lover. I've had dogs, you know, for the last 15 years. I have a dog now that I rescued. Like I'm just so it's, I'm coming from that place of like, that it's still an animal and like, you can't revolve your life around it.

And like a trustworthy sitter, your dog's gonna be fine. I know there's like backstory there. And so that, and there's like trauma, but that sucks for your partner. Yeah, like when she's sleeping in the guest room and then there's this whole cat, like, I don't know. I'm just like, you can't let a pet come between your relationship unless you're using it as an excuse.

I asked Reina that as like my expert of like, do you think it's an excuse? Do you think you just doesn't wanna go to that wedding? Or do you really, like, what do you guys think? That's where my brain would go if I were Ali. Right. Because I'd be like, you just don't want to come to this wedding, like, you know, like, this is my friend, like, I'm in the wedding.

Right. Of course you should come, you're just using this as an excuse. That's where my brain would go. He seems extremely reactive to me. That's why he's great television. Like, I think he feels things deeper. That's like, he's such an understatement. He feels... He's the most reactive person I've ever seen. great television. I think he feels things deeper. That's such an understatement.

The most reactive person I've ever seen. Yeah, I mean, he feels things deeper than anybody else. I think that Ali is a great partner for him because I think with Kristin, it was like a psychotic explosion between the two of them. And I think with Raquel, he didn't really respect her. And so he bulldozed her so much. And I think he respects Ali.

But Ali's also like, I took in this girl's fucking dog, your ex's, your ex fiance's dog. And now she's in the guest room. And now I'm suffering. Yeah. Right. Very true. I have a lot of feelings.

Like you just, this can't, like if I were Allie, I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, okay, so for the rest, till the end of time, unless your brother is available, we can't go on a trip or something. Like, I don't know. They will have to figure that out. Well, then that's the thing. It's like he only trusts his brother to watch the dog.

Right. It's like just hire any dog. So then he's comparing it to like the Sheena situation, I guess, where she will only let certain people watch summer. It's a kid. But it's very different. It's not the same.

It's very, very different. Like I'm a woman who like is love my dog so much and is not planning on having children. I still know my dog is not my child. Like it's just not like animals and people are different. I'm sorry. I'll die on that hill. When he is trying to rationalize this. Lala's like, what the fuck?

Also, I don't know if you guys watch the after show. She just got up. She's like, I'm actually not going to beneath me. She's not doing this. Completely. I don't know if you guys watch the after show for Vanderpump slash the Valley, but Jesse is talking about, he's like, we're a little different in this family. He's talking about how they went to Paris, him and Michelle with their daughter, and

the sitter canceled and he hired what? The hostess of some restaurant to babysit their kid. He's like, we're different than James. Oh no. We're like, we'll see you later. Again, there's a spectrum of that too. Was he serious? He dropped his daughter off with a stranger

in another country? I'm sure he is. Because that sounds like something Jesse would do. 1000%. Yeah. I mean, I have great dog sitters here that I am happy to message James about. Azul stays with this amazing family.

They live in Culver. There's a mom and a dad and a little girl. I'll launch the dog. There's a lot of great- I kind of feel like they were trying to insinuate that too. They're like, we all have dogs. Like, there's a number we could give you. We're dog people too.

This is not that deep. Well, also it's funny because he's like, you don't understand the feeling, like I was separated from this dog. But Lala's like, I don't understand. She's like, I haven't been in court for two years with this scumbag. I have to literally hand my baby off to some in-between person

to give him to the person I hate. Lala's like, no, no, I totally don't get it. I can't relate. Randall Emmett has like a 22-year-old girlfriend or something while I was to like give her child to that girl. Yep. He's like, you don't get it. It's a dog.

It's not the same. He might relax a little bit. What's the timeline of when he just got the dog back? He just got it, like a couple weeks ago. Oh, oh, it's like that fresh? It's within four weeks. OK, I'll give him a little grace. But he's fine to leave the dog with his brother.

So that's what's interesting to me, because there are people that are really qualified to watch Animal. Yeah, so hopefully, I mean, I hope they figure it out. She's just like a sweet girl and I mean, whatever. I don't know. Before we end, I just want to know everyone's thoughts on Lala saying that she hasn't been watching this season. But wait, did she elaborate on like for my own mental health or just like I don't have the time?

I'm a feeler, I don't know how to be quiet. I was kind of getting into a darker place this season. I've stayed off the internet. I know what people are saying, the backlash I'm getting. It's hard because I don't regret any of the season. So I guess she's like, just, I don't know if she watched the beginning. That's the thing, the first thing,

like I know what people are saying. Like that makes me think like you might not be watching the episodes, but you're're going online and seeing headlines. So I'm like, I don't know how that's any better. Yeah, I also wonder if she started watching it and then stopped midway through or? Wait, do you mean the reunion, like the previous? The one they just recorded.

This one, yeah. Oh, this one, not like the last one where she did. She was a little crazy. So basically what they said was that there were seven episodes left. They sent all seven episodes to everybody and that the reunion was this like crazy explosive, like meltdown of everybody.

Even Andy was like, it was crazy. Like, and I mean, I do think it is your job to watch the show. If you're on the show, right? You're like commenting at the reunion about like, it would be like, I just, I mean, listen, Lala is some of the best television I've ever seen. She could do whatever she wants, but it's, it's like going anywhere with half of the information. I can't have a fight without having all the information. So to not watch it, I would just feel like

I was like ill-prepared, but I guess Lala's like, I filmed the show, I was there. Well, she was there, but she didn't see everybody. The confessional and everything. Oh, right, that's a huge part of it. That's a huge part of it. I feel like that's where most of the drama comes from in the reunion.

Her whole storyline this season is like, I wanna be soft. You guys made me laugh last week. You were like, I've never heard the word soft. Sounds so disgusting. She wants to be softer and kinder and she's volunteering to film with like Sandoval and Joe. And it seems out of character for her. I think she's just kind of genuinely trying to find her way

because it's not natural to her to not attack people. And she's like, I'm trying to re-engineer my whole personality. So it's not natural to her maybe, and she's just sort of lost her way a little bit, and she's not proud of what happened. I don't know. She says that she doesn't regret any of the season.

Okay. I think she's just, yeah, having a hard time reading the comments and hearing the aftermath of people's opinions on her. I think that's the part that's harder for her. That's also what's confusing too is like, why unfollow Katie and Ariana if you don't know what was being said about you?

Or like, you know what I mean? Like where I'm like, those are your friends that you work with. I mean, why comment on Taylor Swift? Like, I'm just like, she's making all these headlines. I'm like, aren't you like in your soft girl era, you're pregnant, like stress is bad for that. Like just stay off everything.

Yeah. Well, that's like to what you said about like, you're not watching the show, but you're reading the comments. That seems like the exact opposite. It's worse if anything. It's worse. Like, cause I think you'd probably, well, I don't know yet.

I don't know what terrible things people are saying about her from this season. Well, she said that she stayed off the internet, but she knows what people are saying. So I don't know if maybe someone's telling her or reading the comments for her. Because I'm wondering if she watched it back, she'd be like, that's not bad.

Like, you know, I came, I don't, that's fine. Like, I don't know what she's so scared of. Like, she's clearly avoiding it for a reason. To me, it's the stuff that she's done after the show that was more questionable than how she's acting on the show. You really are so right. Like, I mean, people have reacted to stuff

we've said on the show and we're like, we didn't say that. That's not what happened. Right, or like, you listen back, you're like, oh, I stand by it. You know, like sometimes you get, you forget. You make it worse in your own head where you would watch it back and be like, that's, I look great.

You are totally right. That was fine. Yeah, I stand by everything I said. You're so right. Reading the comments is the word. You're gonna let these internet trolls tell you what happened, right? Or you just watch what happened. Yeah.

I mean, I have, and I never will, and you can't make me, I'll never go on Reddit, but like one time I went on Reddit and I was like reading this thread about myself, which I'll never do again, because I would never do that. But I was like reading like somebody's like synopsis of what I had said and done,

and I was like, no, I didn't. But if you read that, you'd be like, she's the devil. Yeah. That happens even outside of Reddit. It happens every week. It's like someone has a problem. We had Tyler Cameron on recently, and you guys had him on recently. You guys had him naked.

We unfortunately didn't know that was an option for us. Someone twisted his work. He said that women shouldn't work, and they have to stay home with the kids. We're like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Not at all. No, he didn't. He, you know, he talked about his whatever. So we always say people hear what they want to hear.

Now we're like spiraling into something that we feel really passionate about. But like people really have different experiences watching and listening. It goes through their own filter and comes out the other end. And you're like, that literally wasn't said. I can like pull the receipt on it. But yes, you know, the people people, people hear what they wanna hear, they see what they wanna see. So I think she'll all should watch

and maybe she'll feel better. Yeah, I agree. Should it be watch what happens, Lala, instead of watch what happens live? Yeah. There you go. And then I'm sure she's been on it recently, right? I don't think so.

I don't know. I don't recall her being on it. I'm laughing thinking about her being on that or on a reunion and be like, I don't see it. Like that's fun. Is this like an ultimate flex? Is this her being like, yeah, I don't have time. She was on it one month ago.

Well, I could be wrong, but I also heard that Ariana hasn't been watching. She also said she did not watch. No, she says she went to the reunion and did not. She didn't watch the last seven episodes, which yeah, she's in Chicago. I'd be like, I'm tired. It's so funny that they all just stop watching.

Sheena's like, I don't know, this whole Chili's thing. Like I've just been really busy. Well, Sheena says- They all show up to the reunion and they're just like, I don't know what happened. They're like, you tell us. I didn't see it. Sheena got really vilified for this a few years ago.

And Sheena was like, I only watch my scenes. I fast forwarded her. I was like, I probably would do that. By the way, same. I don't know why she get vilified. People like really came for her. With what? Saying you're a narcissist?

No, like you should watch, this is your job to watch the whole thing. And you're like so self-centered and egotistical. You only watch your own stuff. I'd be like, yeah, I don't need to watch Jackson James play basketball together. It's your job. That's an interesting thing. I don't know. Like, do you listen to our podcast?

That's different, because I just like, I'm there and then you produce the show and it comes out, like sometimes at home. Yeah, but what if I, one week I just try to get you canceled? I just put a bunch of words together. I AI'd you. I guess that's how confident I am in our friendship. That you just never do that to me.

She just takes words that you say out of context. No, I could do it. I could do it tomorrow. She could definitely do it. She could do it any time she wanted. I mean, I just have like ultimate trust in her. Different thing. I don't know that they feel that way about their producers.

Yeah, I mean, Ashley's my producer. So my producer is my best friend. Her job is not to ruin my life. Yeah, because my income relies on that too. So anyway, it's listener podcast. It's called Girls Gotta Eat. It's a comedy show about dating, relationship, sex. We have solo episodes, guests. It's really fun. Next episode crushes still. People love it. We'll have it back at some point. I'm a big fan.

Thank you. Thanks. Yeah, thank you for coming. Yeah, thank you so much. A real honor. So nice. This was so fun. Like, thank you for coming. Yeah, thank you so much. It's just been a real honor. So nice. This was so fun. Like, just, this has been so great.

It really has. I hope we did it justice. Do you guys, tell us how we did it. You've done a great job. I think you did a great job. My cheeks are hurting from laughing, honestly. Okay, good. That's all we want.

We just, we love Nick and Natalie, and they're great. And we've loved having him on the show and being on the show. And I listen all the time. This is like my main, like, long car drive show. No, this is the only podcast I listen to. Like, I mean, I really, somebody even saw it in like a and I listen all the time. This is like my main like long car drive show. No, this is the only podcast I listen to. Like, I mean, I really,

someone even saw it in like a picture I posted. I like posted some carousel and you could see it just, it was like a picture of my car and someone could see that it said like the VI, like this. I was like listening to Nick. I'm like, this is what we listen to. I love that. And then all of you guys too, so.

Yeah, we love it. Well, thank you. Thanks for coming. Thank you so much for coming. Thank you guys. It was amazing. Thanks for having us. Thanks for listening. As you so much for coming. Thank you guys. It was amazing. Thanks for having us.

Thanks for listening. As you know, yesterday was our Ask Nick episode and coming this Thursday, we have Nick back in the studio for Going Deeper. As always, send in your questions, ask Nick at the file files, and we will get back to you. Bye. Bye. you