The Viall Files - E745 RR - Bachelor Conspiracy, Tom Brady Roast, VPR, The Valley and SH w/ Josh Peck & Ben Soffer

Episode Date: May 7, 2024

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap Edition! Today, we are joined by Josh Peck and Ben Soffer to chat about all things reality television. First, Josh gives his thoughts on attending Nick and Natalie’s wedding. Then, we dive into a conspiracy that Nick may have a hand in Bachelor casting and/or producing. We also talk about the Tom Brady Roast and getting a DM from Gypsy Rose. Next, we break down this week’s episode of Vanderpump Rules and theorize why they are pausing production. Then, we talk about The Valley and how Josh feels watching his friend Kristen Doute on the show. Finally, we discuss Summer House and if we’re Team Carl or Team Lindsay after his dad tells him he wouldn’t marry them.  “Tom Schwartz, God bless him, is the worst!” Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Care/Of - For 50% off your first Care/of subscription order, go to https://www.TakeCareOf.com  and enter code viall50. Shopify - Sign up for a one-dollar-per-month trial period at https://www.SHOPIFY.COM/viall  ALL LOWERCASE. Chomps - Right now, Chomps is offering our listeners 20% off your first order and free shipping when you go to https://www.Chomps.com/VIALL  Apostrophe Skincare - To get started, just go to apostrophe.com/VIALL and click Get Started, then use our code VIALL at sign up and you’ll get your first visit for only five dollars! Thank you Apostrophe for sponsoring this episode.  ZOA Energy - Available online and at a store near you. Find out where you can find it at https://www.ZOAEnergy.com and fine retailers like Amazon, 7-Eleven, Costco, Circle K and more. Episode Socials:  @viallfiles @nickviall @shuapeck @boywithnojob @nnataliejjoy @ciaracrobinson @alison.vandam @justinkaphillips @leahgsilberstein @dereklanerussell Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 02:46 - Nick & Natalie’s Wedding 15:53 - Nick Conspiracy 36:39 - Tom Brady Roast 46:53 -  Gypsy Rose 54:01 - VPR 01:34:31 - The Valley 01:40:55 - Summer House 01:51:55 - Outro 

What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another fantastic episode of the Vile Files reality recap edition. I am your host Nick, joined by the household of sweet, sweet boy Justin. We got Ally, Sierra, the love of my life, my wife. Sorry. Baby mama, Natalie Joy. We got, what, you know. Wife and baby mama?

Is that not the, well, I mean, you are my baby's mama. Okay. You can't be both. You can't be both. I feel like, yeah, you kind of have to be both. You know. No. You kind of drop the baby mama once. I have to drop it now. The ring is like, yeah, you kind of drop the baby mama once the ring is on. Or you just drop the marriage.

I'm fine. Or you just divorce me. You're divorced and you're just a baby mama. I think I'm going to go with wife. I like wife. Yeah. Classy. Classy.

Betroved. And you are classy. Betroved. My betroved person. Yeah. The people you are hearing are our fantastic guests today. I am honored to have them on. One is returning to the show. In honor. Mr. Josh Peck. Third time. Third time. That's right. This is your third time. How about that? I'm a regular. First you came

solo then you came with your lovely wife, Paige, and now you come here with your- With your betrothed. My hetero lifemate. With your betrothed.. Also your cohost. Your baby mama. Of the Good Guys podcast. Mr. Ben Sofer. Did I get that right? No. But it's Sofer. Sofer. Fuck no.

I always suck that up. I get it in my head and I do the opposite. I'm fucking George Costanza. No, it's good. Sofer. It's good. Nick Vale. No, I wish.

So happy to be here. Thank you so much for having me. It's good to have you, Ben. And it's fine that I wasn't invited the first two times. Or to the wedding. Well, I don't think you had to. Oh, that too. Oh!

That too. Oh, spicy. The wedding looked amazing. Didn't it? It did. Oh yeah. Yeah. It looked like no stone was left unturned. And there wasn't.

I wanna be clear. We wanna, we're gonna, I'm gonna out ourselves. We wanna be friends. We wanna be closer with you and Claudia. Let's do it. We're close with Josh and Paige. Paige and Natalie are like be friends. We want to be closer with you and Claudia. Let's do it. We're close with Josh and Paige. Paige and Natalie are like best friends. Yeah, we are.

We trade secrets. Josh and I, we ask each other for advice. I'll give you secrets. Oh. Great. Good. You can't let them be the only one with a couple of secrets. Can I text you in the morning for outfit suggestions?

Yes. Great. Every time I see Paige, I'm always like, oh my God, I love those jeans. She's like, I'll send you the link. She immediately just sends me the link as soon as we leave each other. Love that.

So Ben, the desire is all on this end. I'm in. I'm all in. Let's do it. I got a beautiful FaceTime from Remy Bader on the trolley with Josh. So I got to see a little bit of, I got to see the trolley. We love Remy.

We love Remy. She's wonderful. We are so happy to have you guys here. We love Remy. We love Remy. She's wonderful. We are so happy to have you guys here. We have so much to get into. We got to obviously, oh, by the way, just I want to give a shout out to our dear friends of the Girls Gotta Eat podcast for covering for Natalie and I last week, both Reyna and Ashley, they crushed it.

We were so happy to have them. They guest co-host the first time in the Vile Files history that I wasn't here. Wow. Would y'all ever let just two other people host your podcast if you guys were out of town? No. Seinfeld and Larry David, what are we talking about?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who would? Who would be as ornery and pissed as we are? I could be ornery and pissed. That is- Nick's like me. I will do it. At my core. We just need people incredibly uncomfortable.

Yeah, and like... And Jewish. Yeah, that's a precursor. I'm Jewish adjacent. We'll convert you. If you want to host Good Guys, we'll just convert you. I don't know how accurate it is because I do think there's a bit conspiracy. 23andMe?

Yeah. I'm 9% Jewish. Oh, I love it. Mazel! Yes. You're in. Let's throw a bar mitzvah. I'm in 23 and me. Yeah, I'm 9% Jewish. Oh, I love it. Mazel. Yes. You're in. Wow, let's throw a bar mitzvah. Yeah. I'm in.

Mazel. So I'm basically a third co-host. Congrats. It's so funny because I did 23 and me like Ben did, and Ben, do you want to share your results? I'm honestly embarrassed. Like 23 and me is 99% Ashkenazi Jewish. Oh, wow. My manager's 100% Ashkenazi Jewish.

My manager's 100% Ashkenazi Jewish. Wow, so then maybe you might be like cousins. Probably. Or like- How do you go, where's that 1%? I don't know, I don't know. It doesn't make sense. The 23 and me, I don't- I do think it's bullshit. It doesn't make any sense.

It's utter bullshit. I grew up my whole life with the understanding that my grandmother was 100% Polish. And my great grandmother, I believe, was born in Poland. Only to do 23 and me, and they're like, yeah, you're not Polish. Like at all. What were you?

So how does that make sense? Some version of life. I think the explanation is, is like, hundreds of years ago, maybe your family went to Poland and settled, you know, set up camp there and hung out there, but their origins don't descend maybe. I don't know. So what were your other results? Just like shades of whites?

I'm like, yeah, oh my God, so what? Viking. like shades of white. I'm like, yeah, oh my God, so what? Vikings. No, it's a lot of, half of me is from the England countries, the Irish, the Scottish, the English, that whole general island. Then there's some Swedish. The most interesting thing about me was my 8% being Jewish. Was I 100% or was I 99?

Oh no, he's stressed. You were 99 point something, like. But what was the other 5. But this guy beat me. Who beat me? Who beat me? His name is Byron Ashley. Byron Ashley? Byron Ashley's 100% Jewish?

Bullshit. Byron Ashley? Doesn't even sound Jewish. Sounds like the coach of the Giants. Like, it's not a, yeah. It's actually Byron Austin Ashley. That makes it interesting. We need to know what his original last name was.

He's clearly anglicized Ashley. Byron Austin Ashley sounds like the star of the 90210 reboot. It does. Like with Byron Austin Ashley. It's honestly sick name. The new host of Extra. Sick name.

What was your 23andMe? I was like 98 point something Jew and then like 1% Greek. That's so hot. I know. I mean that's fun. I'd kill for Greek blood. Yeah, I wanted like Italian or Greek, something.

Yeah. Yeah. A little flavor. More fun. Yeah, Mediterranean. Than like you're from England. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Anyways, what did you think of our wedding? Did you love it? Oh my gosh. I'm so glad we're allowed to talk about it. It was fabulous. And I'm not just saying that. And I think it has to do, and I'm not speaking in hyperbole here.

I liked everyone I met at your wedding, which is impossible. It's impossible. Cause I did see some like French high school. Even our hairstylist? I saw some. I didn't get a great vibeylist? I saw some. I didn't get a grade five from him.

I saw some. I really didn't. He just told me that out there in the lobby. Yeah, we were standing in line for, I was getting my wife and her friend some champagne. And I'm like, who is this guy talking behind me? I think it's the same guy. I don't really know.

The dark energy. It's definitely the same guy. No, I saw some friends from high school posting on Facebook, you know, the recap of their weekend. And I was like, oh, there's Josh. Oh, there's Josh. Oh, I was like, he was just taking some, doing a little meet and greet. I had a great time.

I did not say no to a picture. Listen, I was happy to be second to JoJo there. And so if anyone wanted a picture, I was like, I need this for my ego. I was like, JoJo, look, people want a picture with me too. Josh Peck, everyone, Josh Peck. She's the greatest and she was the star. But I, first of all, you look so beautiful.

Your dress was, sorry, I'm such a dude. Were there two dresses? There were, yeah. Both gorgeous. Thank you. Love them both. You guys were perfect. Your parents, your mom, I mean, they're the most adorable.

It was, I was so impressed. Oh my gosh, did you like Nick's outfit change? Or did you not notice? I did, you went from the black to the white jacket. Gorge, loved. Loved the night before look with the bolero. Thank you. Really cute.

I didn't even know it was called the bolero. Is it? It is, right? I thought it was a bolo tie. Maybe that's the long version of the bolero. That sounds more cultured. I want to go with Josh's answer. Okay.

Yeah, maybe, you know, if you guys ever have a boy, Bolero. ALL LAUGH Perfect. I'm trying to think of what... But again, even on the trolley, on our way there, just chatting, we became quick friends with everyone. Then while we were sitting waiting for the ceremony, I became best friends with J-Woww.

I know you're a big fan of Miss Ginny Farley. I didn't even know how big his Jersey Shore fandom was. I didn't. And apparently it's massive. It's through the roof. I'm a big fan and I just, all I have to say is meet your heroes, cause sometimes it works out. J-Woww is awesome.

What a great person. She's a great, fantastic person. She is top notch. She came on this podcast and we fell so in love that we were like, should you come to her wedding? She was like, fantastic person. She is top notch. Love her. She came on this podcast and we fell so in love that we were like, should you come to her wedding? She was like, I will. And we were like, great, we'll send you the invitation. I love it.

I love it. Yeah. And other things like the food was excellent and I liked that it wasn't a sit down meal. Thank you. Thank you. Really? Smart move.

Thank you. Go in, get it as you want. As you want. It was hot. It was warm. Key you. Really? Smart move. Thank you. Go in, get it as you want. As you want. It was hot. It was warm. Key ingredient. Oh. It was warm?

No, it was like a perfect temperature. Okay, good. Yeah, it was a perfect temperature. Just cause like, in my big gripe with sit down wedding meals, it doesn't matter what you're serving or how expensive or high quality it is, it always comes out like barely warm. And it's just never that good.

And you're just sitting around and you're bored and you're talking, you wanna get up. And it's just like, let's just get the food there. And when people wanna eat, let's make sure it's always being heated. And it just makes it all the difference. Did y'all have sit down at y'all's wedding? I did, yes.

Yours sounds more formal. Yeah, well there was a buffet, like it was buffet with appetizers, password herbs, and then there was a seated dinner after, tons of food. But my dad owns a catering company, so that like was very easy. But yeah, the number one complaint at every wedding, cold food and duration.

Like when is the entree coming? When is it coming? Right, because if it's coming at 10 o'clock, I'm gonna load up on all the appetizers, is the entree coming? When is it coming? Yes, yes. Right, because if it's coming at 10 o'clock, I'm gonna load up on all the appetizers then the entree is gonna come. It doesn't matter how good it is. That's true.

On the stuff. If it's coming at seven, you might wanna not pig out on the bacon wrapped scallops. Yeah, wow, that's, you bacon wrapped scallops. No, we didn't, we had macaroni and cheese balls. I think we did have some bacon wrapped scallops. We might've. It was definitely an option.

Yeah. The crab cakes were going hot, and the fried chicken sandwich, delish. Oh my God, I wanted both of those, and they were all gone. Wow. The bride didn't get to eat. I had to.

Oh, that's where they went. That was Natalie's. Perfect. That was Natalie's. It was a fantastic wedding. Thank you for coming. It was great. I wish you could have been there, Ben.

Me too. Me too. You'll be there at like the 10 year renewal. Yeah, great. I'm in. Is there a sense of relief? Are there post wedding blues? Both? Neither.

Both, for sure. I feel like I miss it, you know? Well, over the weekend was like our one week anniversary. And I think that Saturday, I said to Natalie, I'm like, I'm having a little bit of like FOMO, like thinking about like this time a week ago and kind of wishing we were having the party again. So there was a little bit of that, you know?

Yeah, how many people were there? 170. 170. Yeah. I remember such a feeling of relief the second it was over and I do not wish to be back at that party. I- Like our actual wedding, like when we like said our vows, got married, unbelievable.

Everything else was just so stressful. We had, I think like close to 400 people. Oh wow. And like it's, when you start to have weddings that are that big, they're stressful. Like you're talking about eating, I definitely didn't eat. I don't remember, I don't ever remember eating.

We had a lot of fun. I mean, I was stressed leading up to it. And I, like the Wednesday before the wedding, I had a great fear that we were about to throw Fire Festival 2.0, you know? Just like this is gonna be the most expensive mess of a party, just. But it all came together. And we were able to enjoy ourselves. So I had a good time. You know, just like this is gonna be the most expensive mess of a party, just.

But it all came together. And we were able to enjoy ourselves. So I had a good time. And at that point we were just like, well, whatever happens happens. So, you know. I was just perfect. So we had a good time.

I'm so glad. Yeah, and wait, I'm trying to think of if there's anything that you guys wouldn't have known that we as, oh, here was a fun thing, was obviously was on this beautiful horse farm, and is that right? I'm such a city boy. Is that what you call it officially?

Stunning, stunning venue. But as the one knock on the outdoors, sometimes there can be a little bug, right? Just a little. So we found a great way, cause we don't wanna bother nobody. They go, if you go in the stables, there's horse spray. We started spraying ourselves down with little horse bug spray.

They were like, this is for thunder. You know, you borrowed. But it works on people. Little spritz left and right. Gorgeous. Why you smelled like that? Thank you. Yeah. I was wondering what that was. We're all sprayed up. We're sprayed up.

Oh man, that's funny. Yeah, I should have taken that advice. I was covered in. See, it's hard, because you're like, how can we make this outdoor venue perfect? And then it's like, you know what? We can't. It was perfect.

Were you not worried about weather ever? We were. Yeah. We were letting the almanac when planning the wedding. We knew it was gonna be outdoors. We knew we'd have a tent so we prepared for the possibility of rain and when we picked the date... We also had some tents reserved for our welcome party Friday and when I was like that was like if it rains and then the day before when I was like it's not like, if it rains. And then the day before when I was like, it's not gonna rain, I can't see the switch.

Amazing. Amazing. Yeah, but we, we bust out the- Which you didn't come to. Well, we were flying all day. Yeah. Yeah, no, and I get that. You missed a good welcome party. But yeah, we busted out the Almanac

and like looked at like the past few years in the various weekends. We wanted to do it sometime in this season, knowing that like we wanted to avoid the Georgia heat in the summer, you know? And to avoid the Georgia heat in the summer. And so we were like, ah, it didn't really seem to rain this past week, this weekend of the past four years. Trust it.

Crossed our fingers. I mean, the weather was impeccable. Like, if we would have, like, tailor ordered the weather, we would have been like, a nice cool breeze in the afternoon for the ceremony. Like, we got that. You know, like, it was, and because we did black tie, there was definitely a risk of it being like,

even like 80 and muggy. And it was, it was cloudy, perfectly cloudy. So it wasn't too hot. We got, we got really lucky. So perfect. Yeah. I've been to outdoor weddings that have rained. That's why I ask.

And there is nothing sadder. Because your contingency plan, I'm sorry, it's just not as good as what you had. No, especially on a farm. People were gonna get muddy. That was gonna happen. I was at a wedding in Miami probably a month ago. It was supposed to be outdoors.

And their indoor contingency plan, it was the biggest like rainstorm, the entire venue flooded. Their contingency plan flooded. Oh, yeah, yeah. It was messed up. We got so lucky. All that to say, congrats.

Thank you very much. Congrats. Thank you. Excellent. Our honeymoon didn't go quite as planned as the wedding, but that's fine. That's fine. Did you go on a honeymoon, Josh?

We did later. We went like a month later to Cabo with John Stamos. That's fun. Random, yeah. He had a trip planned. He's like, want to come? And so we went and then he was going to go perform in Washington, D.C.

Do you think he'll go on our honeymoon with us? Yeah. Like, uh. He's a good time. He has a good party. I believe that. That's a great time. We went to Cabo, then to Washington, D.C.

and then back to L.A. So random. He was performing in the Capitol with the Beach Boys for July 4th. You just followed him around? Yeah, he's like., and then back to L.A. So random. He was performing in the Capitol with the Beach Boys for July 4th. He was thinking, then you'll come here, and then we'll go there. I'm like, bet. Yeah, sounds great.

It is a weird kind of going back to reality or society after your wedding. Because even if you don't, like honeymoon or not, you're just like, I'm supposed to just be in love right now, and I don't want to deal with anything else. But that doesn't last very long. I also did not expect to hear kind of bizarre conspiracy about a me. I did not have that on my bingo card last week following my wedding to address a conspiracy from one Maria Georges on her appearance on Color Daddy. That was something.

I didn't know you were a producer on The Bachelor. Yeah, I'm not, yeah. Can we ask more or who cares? No, you can ask more. I don't know about any of this. So this is Maria from The Bachelor this recent season and she basically went on Call Her Daddy. She said that she had history with Nick.

I don't know if you wanna clarify that history. She said what was true is that we were friends and that friendship was mostly me giving her relationship advice. And Alex Cooper friend, you know, was gracious enough. We're literally on the flight back from our honeymoon from hell. And I get a text from Alex being like, so just like a heads up, like I think Alex knowing that we had just gotten married. She's like, Maria like mentions that you guys had, you know, knew each other. And I'm like, yep, cool. Like she basically Alex tech texted me to tell me that Maria said we knew each other and that we didn't hook up, which was accurate, but she didn't tell me about that.

And then I found out about this conspiracy that Maria came up with, which was, yeah, so she says, she said that Nick was friends with Sydney, which was like her arch nemesis on her season. And that because Nick in the past had said that you would make a good villain. Yes, that is true. Long ago, I did tell Maria because Maria is so always asked me to get around the show and I did tell her that I could see her being the villain and somehow that turned into Maria thinking that in my

zero free time and not knowing that she was on the show that it somehow I made it my mission to... Yeah so she had a conspiracy that you knew her arch-nemesis through Ashley Eye and that you were producing the show or knew somebody and you got her arch-nemesis on the show to make her the villain for her season. But she also wasn't the villain. No. So there's that. I mean.

It's just giving delusional honestly at the end of the day. But it was interesting. I did see a clip from the episode because like I guess Maria's big thing was she couldn't understand why years ago I said, well, I think if you were to go on the show, I could see you being the villain ago I said, well, I think if you were to go on the show, I could see you being the villain.

I mean, it's also like not that complicated. Like to be the villain on The Bachelor, it's like, we're not talking about real life villains here. It's reality TV. To be the villain on The Bachelor, all it takes is a big personality, a willingness to be unapologetically yourself and not shy away from conflict or drama,

which we saw from Maria this season. So it's not that complicated. But I thought it was kind of funny that on the same episode, Maria suggested that she, no, so she was the fourth runner-up, what is it, fourth runner-up, fifth? Fourth runner-up. Fourth runner-up. She was the fan favorite too.

Yeah, she was the fan favorite. She was the fan favorite too. Yeah, she was the fan favorite. She was fourth. So Rachel, Daisy, and Kelsey all went further than her. And on this episode, she, I guess, suggested or kind of flat out said. She said that I felt like I needed a way out. I could have gone farther with Joey. So she insinuated that she used Jen kissing Joey

as an excuse to leave. So Maria said I could have gone farther. Now keep in mind, I'm curious what Rachel would have to say about, or Daisy would have to say about Maria saying I could have gone farther. And Maria, if you're wondering why I thought way back when if you could be the villain, you saying I could have gone farther if I wanted to is the type of energy

that would put a target on your back in that type of environment. And that's exactly, that's all it takes. It's not that complicated. But I did not expect to have to face that type of questioning on the week of my wedding. Yeah. What did she say about her turning down the Bachelorette?

That she was already doing fittings for the show. Everybody was on the same page that she would be the Bachelorette. And then she was just like, why am I not happy? Like, why does this not feel right? And basically made the conclusion that this wasn't the right time to be doing it. So she pulled herself out last night. And then she said something about, she also knew how badly Jen wanted to do it.

Yeah. That Jen was like super single and a fun girl and her best friend during the process. So do you believe that story? No, I couldn't imagine getting all the way up to fittings and how many people like for the production of it all then be like, you know what, I just, I really think somebody else deserves this more. I just, I don't, I don't buy it. Yeah. And her story just summarizes basically she's doing these fittings, she's prepping for the Bachelorette and then had an epiphany that she's too happy with her current life and also that Jen desperately wants it.

So out of the kindness of her heart, she declined, which it's possible. I think it's possible she declined it because in my head, if she was turned down or not offered it, she wouldn't have been so peaceful about it at the Woman Tell All. Yeah, I just think there's another version to this story. was turned down or not offered it, she wouldn't have been so peaceful about it at the Woman Tell All. Yeah. I just think there's another version to this story.

I think that's definitely Maria's truth. In my experience with the show, I don't know anything specific about what happened between Maria and the show and why she turned it down, but in my experience, the few instances where someone was meant to be the lead and in the last minute there was a switch. I only know that experience from when the show decided that the juice wasn't worth to squeeze in terms of, they very much value their ability to work with their lead.

It's a long process. And so they need to, you know, they've worked with difficult people in the past, but at the times where the show went a different direction and it's entirely believable that Maria turned it down but I just I've never heard of that version. Also you imagine how difficult it might be to work with someone who instead of thinking it was possible that they could rub anyone the wrong way, that it was more believable to this person that their own friend who they hadn't spoken with

in several years for no other reason than to prove himself right, decided to come up with this elaborate conspiracy theory as to why she might've rubbed some women in the house the wrong way. That person might, you know, might be challenging. I also heard through the, or some friends of ours who are close to the source

that filming with her was close to filming with Claire Crawley. Yeah, I did hear that. It was kind of the same. So take that one. Do you know who Claire Crawley is? I'm guessing it was a little tough with Claire. A little tough with Claire.

Claire was famously the only Bachelorette who quit a week into filming. No way. Which kind of tracks with, I mean, Maria quit even before filming started. Cause when you're doing your fittings, you're the Bachelorette, you're the bachelor. You're the lead.

You're filming. I mean, they're taking content. By the way, you've the bachelorette, you're the bachelor, you're the lead, you're filming, I mean they're taking content. By the way, you've also 100% signed contracts. They will often, multiple people will sign contracts. I see. And so they have the option to pull, and then the contract says until you are announced, we can pull this from you. So that happens every season, that's pretty typical.

Interesting. Yeah, so. Wow. But if you are listening, Maria, it's because you thought you could go further than you did. Again, it's not that complicated. You know, like it's an environment where people with big personalities who have a lot of confidence in themselves,

Maria has that, can rub people who are a little bit more insecure about themselves the wrong way, and then it will put a target on your back and that's what happened it seemed with Sydney and the other women which is also kind of bizarre because like when we were covering the show I felt bad because I was really harsh on Sydney. Yeah and then she went to say that you were friends with Sydney. No I met Sydney during my book tour because Ashley and Jared were and then yeah and yeah. And then I forgot Cindy existed.

I didn't even know she was on the show. I didn't even know that was the girl I met. But anyway. Is it hard in preparation for this episode, so we were watching the great Summer House, the new Vanderpump, the Valley. And I was thinking about that. Like, you talked about that you were a little harsh

with someone from The Bachelor. Like, it's one thing, I'm thinking about that, like you talked about that you were a little harsh with someone from The Bachelor. Like, it's one thing, I'm in a movie, I do a show, I'm playing a character, you like it, you hate it, you're both entitled, right? But it was just something that I tried, it was a character, and either it worked or it didn't. But with reality, in theory, even though it's a heightened version of yourself, when you don't like it,

like I obviously had some strong feelings watching these episodes, and I'm like, but I did question how strong can you be, Josh, because you're attacking people, right? Like, it's them. Well, we operate on the premise, you know, we will say this often when we recap these shows, that we are covering the show, not the people,

and we acknowledge that this is an edited TV show. Got it. That for the majority of these people, we haven't met them, you know? So you're like commenting on a character. Yeah, we're commenting on a character. We deserve the right to be wrong about them. I mean, no one was harder on me than Ben's wife, Claudia.

Oh, wow. I mean. Whoa. I don't know. I don't know. Whoa. I think I was referred to as Lord Voldemort. Oh my God.

Oh no. They wouldn't even say my name. I mean, they fucking hated me. Oh no. That's how I discovered Claudia. I didn't know who Girl with No Job was. And then someone sent me a clip of them just fucking roasting me.

Thought it was pretty funny to be honest, but. The good news is that they reserved the right to be wrong. Yeah. Well, that's kind of the point. It's just like, they don't know me. They watch a show? No. Yeah, they'd never met me.

It's just a TV show. And one thing you never hear about Voldemort, very thin, and that was nice. Yeah. Great skin. Refreshingly thin. Voldemort didn't have one pimple. Misunderstood, really.

Wait, my brother is calling. Oh yeah, yeah, let me talk to him. Hello? Hey. Hey. So, Nick's a history fan, right? I am. Yeah. We're actually live currently on the podcast, and there's someone here who would like to say hello to you. Hey bestie!

It's Josh Peck, your best friend! Oh, no way! My best friend's online right now? Dude, miss you, man. Babe, what's going on? Just chilling, dude, missing our good talks. I love getting down and really, like, emotional with you. Oh, my God. I like chopping it up.

I just felt so connected. It was weird. It was a spark, honestly, from being serious. Let me see if your sister knows you as well as I do. When your great brother was serving our wonderful country in the Navy, heard of it, there's a three-piece bunk bed to the Navy. Some might call it a rack. Sure.

Was your brother on the bottom, the middle, or the top? The top. Okay, good answer. Fine, you know I'm fine. You knew my tall ass couldn't be in any of those small racks. That was my first question. I'm like, where were you on the rack? That's so funny.

Okay, well, I'll talk to you later about Nick's history. Well, I was just gonna say, I was gonna buy him a Civil War bullet at the antique store if he wanted it. As long as it's the North. We don't really know. And don't bring it to Turks. Yeah, don't bring it to Turks. Don't bring it to Turks.

Be careful. Okay, love you, bye. He does not say love you back. What does he say? Bye. He never has. Never said I love you? No.

Even at the wedding? I don't think he did. Yeah. It's okay. That's something I'll talk about in therapy. He loves you. But to answer your question, it is the tough part about this job. And I don't like it.

I don't like, because even though we say that, we don't know these people, we reserve the right to be wrong, I know that sometimes we say things that will hurt people's feelings. It's not our intention. It's also like with reality TV, like obviously these people, there's storylines, it's not, I don't know, I call it like stranger than fiction sometimes, just because I'm like the way that people behave in front of a camera, that's kind of what we're talking about,

like the behavior more so, not like criticizing them as a person. Does that make sense? Yeah, no, I think it makes perfect sense, and I hosted this show, this cooking competition show for Roku, Best Bite Wins. And I did see that. Ben?

Best Bite Wins. Next season? I can't wait. You and me. And it was funny because we had some producers who were like a lot of experience in reality TV, maybe some people from The Bachelor, I don't know, I'm not saying. But like some really veteran TV producers.

So anyway, we have these chefs and they turn the clock on and these chefs who go from these affable, lovely people through no coaxing, no manipulating, all of a sudden the clock turns on, they've got to make this dish and a little bit of backstabbing comes out, the emotions heighten. And I went to one of the producers,

I was like, wow, this dynamic's crazy. He's like, I know, and we're not even evil. He was like, some producers are evil. Like, he's just like, you put a camera on and a timer, and people react. So I would say the same for reality in general. Yeah, I mean, evil is a strong word. I think what ultimately, what producers are really good at,

as I always say, they're the friend who tells you to buy the boat, you know, a producer's job is to any inhibitions about like, should I say that? Should I do that? Should I not do that? And they're always being like, in this moment, do you want to do it? Yes. Then you should do it. You know, like it's but his friend, the wrong word then. Sure. Yeah, it is loose. Acquaintance. I'm a big,? Sure, yeah, it is. Loose acquaintance. But I'm a big, you know, we're all adults,

we're all in charge, we have our own agency, we have to be accountable for our choices. And I've said this time and time again, back to what we just talked about. I always find it super annoying when people who go on these types of shows, you know, when they look good, all we're seeing is their true selves. I'm just glad the show decided to show my real self.

I really saw me on the show. When they look bad, it's the producers made them do it. They got a bad edit. The producers told them to do this. The person's told them to do that. Again, as someone who was the villain on my season, it's just like, you know, did I think that I, did I like my edit? No.

Did I say some, like, do I have a big personality? Do I say things at times where someone might be like, why the, what the, yeah, you know, in a highly competitive environment where I don't have false humility, like I don't have the ability to like, you know, be like, you know, I don't know, I'll shucks, I didn't, I just, I don't deserve this rose, you know?

Like that's just not who I am. And in that type of atmosphere, that will put a huge target on your back. And that's all, that's why they have group date roses. They're drama roses. You know, they invented the first impression rose, not to make someone feel good about themselves, because they wanted to piss everyone else off.

And they wanted to see how various contestants would handle getting that kind of attention. Would they be incredibly humble? Would they dismiss it? Or would they, you know, kind of puff out their chest and be like, you know what, I did deserve this? Whether they actually said it or acted like it, and that type of energy, that's how they create drama

in those types of shows. But do you have no out? Like we talked about this with the great Kristen Doty, who I'm sure we'll talk about more in this episode, but she was like, there's no version, no matter these friends, these people that you wind up having a nice relationship with, if something happens and you go to them and beg

and say, please don't put that in the edit, like there's no version where that's acceptable. Like once it's said, there are too many chains of commands who can decide to have your neck, whether they want to or not. And that's rough. That's a rough, it's a pretty vicious working environment. Yeah, that's, I mean that is true.

I mean the, I think Vanderpump and Bravo World's a little bit different than Bachelor World because those requests have been made and at times those requests have been granted. But yeah, for the most part, yeah, it's, and that there's just so many, there are so many decision makers. You know, that's the thing. It's just like they film a TV show, you know, when they're filming it, they don't really know how what's going to be, you know, going to be aired.

They air 2% of what's shown. And then you have a whole post process, and the editors, they're the ones who decide what they're gonna show, what they're not gonna show. So easy that they can lose context. They can leave stuff out. Sometimes they show both sides. Sometimes they don't show both sides.

And you don't really know how things are gonna play out. At times, they've had, people have gone in big fights. I mean, it's been well documented in my season that Vanessa, who I ended up with on the show, and Rachel Lindsay, who ended up being the Bachelorette, they did not get along at all. During filming, they hated each other. You never saw a moment of that

because Vanessa was the winner, Rachel was your future Bachelorette, and the show protected both of them. Got it. And so instead of showing what would literally been a compelling storyline, they just edited that all out because they wanted to protect both those women, you know? And so, that's just how that all works.

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Now to grow your business no matter what stage you're in. Shopify.com slash V-I-A-L-L. Did y'all watch the roast? The Tom Brady roast? Ben? Yes, I did. R-O-A-S-T. I watch clips.

Okay, I watch clips too. It's not a trick question, I was just asking. I don't know, I don't know. Ben did so much homework this weekend, he's just like, what, what did I not do? You know, if I had the homework, I'd do the homework. I didn't have that homework. That's admirable.

I didn't have that homework, but I did see. I saw some clips, and honestly, we were upset that we weren't invited, so. Yeah, no, and so were we. I wasn't, I wasn, but I did see. I saw some clips, and honestly, we were upset that we weren't invited, so. Yeah, no, and so were we. I wasn't, I wasn't. No, no, we and me and Nick. No, Josh is out of this. I'm not upset.

No, Josh isn't. Ben and I wanna be wanted, whether we actually wanna go. I just wanted the invite. I put a decline. I wanna say no. I'm too busy to have a kid, you know? But like, you didn't even think of me.

Yeah, not at all. Okay, I'm so sorry. You get an entire arena of guests. 20,000 people. but like you didn't even think of me. Yeah, not at all. Okay, I'm so sorry. You had an entire arena of guests and like, a lot of people. A lot of people. Like that place holds 20,000. Yeah, it was full. They were 19,999 other people that were like,

what'd you think of it? Nikki Glaser, friend of show, absolutely crushed. I mean, she did so fucking good. It was, it was insane. The Toastmaster, what's, what's? The Roastmaster. The Toastmaster. The Toastmaster.

Sorry, the Big Fan of Toast. That's Claudia Toast. Claudia's the Toastmaster. Big fan, Big fan of Toastmaster. Kevin Hart hosted it, and then- Jeff Ross. Jeff Ross, thank you. He kinda kept saying, we need this, you know, like, which I felt that a bit in these times,

because there were some really raunchy, really perverse, you know, can you say that type of jokes? And honestly, it was just kind of fun to just see a bunch of talented comedians and not comedians say some outrageous things and laugh and have it kind of be okay. Cause it does feel like we do live in a time where it just, I just want to say some crazy shit and let's just laugh about it

and let's not worry about anything else. Comedy does seem to be protected though, for the most part. Thank God. Thank God. More so than ever. Yeah. Blake, you can say anything you want if you're a comedian. Let's just call ourselves comedians and then.

Yeah. We can say whatever we want. We can say whatever the fuck we want. Sorry, I was just doing a comedian. Let's just call ourselves comedians and then. Yeah. We can say whatever we want. We can say whatever the fuck we want. Sorry, I was just doing a bit. You guys start. See, comedy right there, it made you laugh. I feel like Theo Vaughn is very much, he just says whatever.

Have you ever met him? I haven't met him, but I love him from afar. Every clip I've ever seen is so good. He is very funny. That's my, him and Steve Harvey are like my two. I love Steve Harvey. Do you? Do you know that Steve Harvey gets a massage

every single day? Oh, I love that about him. He has his own in-house masseuse and he gets one before, like anything that he's filming, massage. Oh my God. Hell yeah. He has the greatest teeth in America. Yes. Are they real? No, massage. Oh my God. Hell yeah. I would do that. He has the greatest teeth in America. Yes. Are they real?

No. Okay. They're not even close. Impossible. They're the best veneers. Impossible. There's some bad veneers out there. Do you follow him on Instagram?

A duck. He's so smooth. Like so much smoother on Instagram than he is even in real life. He's like my, obviously, with all due respect. Safe space, yeah, for sure. Yeah, safe space. My hall pass.

Me too. Thank God. I can, yeah, for sure. Yeah, Safe Space, my hall pass. Me too. Thank God. I can't even. Why on earth? And Family Feud is just the best show on TV. If I, that's like. Ba dum ba. Oh, I.

Ba dum ba. I've never been on. No, we should. We should. Ooh, that would be fun. Do you have that kind of poll? No. Damn it.

Do you? Well, I know the guy who runs the show. Well, hello. So yeah. So yes. Well, I've got guy who runs the show. Well, hello. So yeah. So yes? Well, I've got, well, I've told this, I've got booked twice for Family Feud and got, well, once I declined and once I got bumped.

I got bumped for Kanye. Oh, okay. Yeah. Fair. So what is that? It was supposed to be a couple bachelor guys versus the Kardashians, which the whole day I was like, why does it have to be this?

That doesn't make any sense. The Carnations versus a couple of bachelor men. And then at like 10.30 at night, I got a text being like, so Kanye wants to do it. We're gonna bump you guys. That makes sense, okay. We need to do toast versus good guys. And Nick's gonna be on our team.

Yeah, love that. Excuse me. What about the Vilephiles? Oh yeah, the whole Vilephiles team, everybody. The household. Everybody, who else should we invite? How many people dophiles? Oh yeah, the whole Vilephiles team. Everybody, everybody. Who else should we invite? How many people do we have? How many, no, how many?

Five? It can be how many on one side? That's what I'm asking. Is it five? One, two, three, four, Claudia and Paige. And it could be like a triple date situation. Yeah, round Robin. But then we can't play them.

What about Jackie? Wait, what if we did y'all three against us three? Love. Love. Can you call? Call Rob. Quick. Quick.

Rob, if you're listening. Right now. The problem is we would lose so bad. Claudia is definitely so good at like, I watched Jeopardy with her. Holy shit. She knows everything. Really?

Oh my God. She would be very good at those like witty one word. Yeah, but so would Josh. Josh knows like something about everything. I feel like I would buzz it really fast and then brain freeze and say something completely where Steve Harvey would roast me. I'm good.

It's funny, my wife and I will watch Jeopardy at night in bed sometimes, cause things are hot. No. And we'll, so we'll watch Jeopardy in bed and there's, you know, there's levels of Jeopardy, right? So we'll watch Celebrity Jeopardy and Paige and I will look at each other and go,

we're fucking smart. We're real smart. And then they'll have like regular Jeopardy and we go, we're not so smart. No. And then they'll have like, where they bring people back or obviously like the champions rounds. And it's like, it might as well be in another language.

Y'all watch all of those? Never know, whatever's on at seven o'clock. Game show network is a big channel in our house. Is this how you like the secret to happy marriage? Should we start watching Jeopardy? You should turn on game show network. It's an intense game show network. Yeah, GSN.

It's pretty interactive. That's what's fun. Yeah, you can really communicate with one another. It's great. It. Yeah, GSN. It's pretty interactive. That's what's fun. Yeah, you can really communicate with one another. It's great. It's a game. Yeah. It's a game.

You're laying in bed playing cards. Wow. Yeah. I love it. This is great relationship advice. Bridge. Gin. Rummy.

Poker. Oh my God. Well, speaking of roast, was the JoJo Siwa SNL skit a roast? Or an appreciation for JoJo? Both. Okay. Did y'all see this?

I did. I did it. They roast, yeah. I feel like they roast anything that's a roast. It was iconic. I mean, I don't know who played, I don't know who the- Chloe Feynman? Chloe Feynman?

She came out dressed in full on JoJo. The makeup. And like JoJo. The makeup. And like JoJo's new look. And it was, yeah, I mean, they were mocking her, you know, new era, but like it's SNL, you know? And it was a whole like four minutes about JoJo Siwa. I thought it was cool as the, a lot of SNL people are Bachelor fans,

so they, I don't know if they still do it, but every time the Bachelor would come out, they would do a Bachelor skit. And during my season, I was referred to as the bearded hunk. They would never name the Bachelor by names. They would always have some kind of generic name. But even that, I thought that felt iconic, just to know that they were talking about me,

even though they didn't say my name. But for them to be referencing Jojo Siwa and dressed up and her being a big topic of the episode, it is iconic. It doesn't matter what they say. It is a huge it's a roast in the best possible way. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, for Jojo. Would either of y'all sign up to be a roast? Like never? Yeah, I would. I'd like to think I'm capable. I would. There was a part where Tom Brady got up and said, don't fucking ever say that again.

But let's dissect that for a minute, right? Because he went after, it was Jeff Ross making- Final, Robert Kraft. Robert Kraft. I think he was protecting Robert Kraft. But he had someone who's that, I mean, deeply intelligent deeply intelligent right you don't become the goat Especially in a position like quarterback, which really will requires great analysis and obviously he's navigated press Yeah, and he's navigated press pretty well. He's been ultra famous for what 25 years Almost 25 years. Yeah, he's got to know that they're gonna run with that headline

almost 25 years, he's gotta know that they're gonna run with that headline. So how measured do we think it was? How much, I just wanna see if we're sort of examining it correctly. Do you think it was a bit almost? Maybe. I almost took it as, because they, I mean they went after Tom.

They pulled no punches. There was a lot of Gisele jokes. Sure. I feel like he was more like, go after me, Rob, Robert Kraft, who was, hit 90. Right, but who was there? Who was there. I feel like he was more like, don't go after Big Bob. That's how I was my reader.

I think he was protecting his owner. Do you think that him saying that, everyone who hadn't gone up yet, just kind of like deleted the Robert Kraft joke if they had Had to they would adjust I took it what was the joke well Robert Kraft not too long ago was Arrested amongst some other I assumed it was for the hand jobs. Yeah Great joke. Yeah, it was a great job It honestly wasn't even that I mean as far as the other jokes It was a softball by What's wrong with that? It honestly wasn't even that, I mean, as far as the other jokes,

it was a softball. By the way, that headline went away real quick. The hand job headline. Well, when you're a billionaire. Yeah, it went away real quick. And then I guess it was brought back. And now we're talking about it on the Vibe. Yeah, sorry, Rob.

Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Like that's my only question, right? Because in his reaction, it became 10 times. Like no one's gonna talk about sort of the Chris Rock Will Smith of it all if he doesn't punch him, right? No one brings back that joke.

You know? True, yeah. So by the way, Chris Rock was on my flight back from Newark to LA last week. And it's so funny, because there have been times in my life, obviously I'm 10% as famous as Chris Rock, but we're all talking, someone goes, I know that voice, and I'll be like, okay.

And I'll be like, yes, I know, I sound like a 12 year old smoker. And then it was so funny, because I wanted to say that to Chris Rock, because as soon as I heard him talk, I'm like, Chris. I was like, you sound like yourself. That's what I wanted to say. I'm sure he would have had a good line for that, you sound like yourself. That's what I wanted to say. I'm sure he would have had a good line for that.

You sound like yourself. I'm just glad I didn't make eye contact and let him have his privacy. But I watched him from afar. Gypsy Rose was in LA this weekend. And I went to, I was to go hit her up and be like, you should come back on the show. Yeah, show off her new look.

And well, she deleted her Instagram. So I was like, Oh, well, I can't DM her. Then I went to TikTok because she had a TikTok. Then I realized Gypsy had sent us a congratulatory message on TikTok a couple of days before wishing Nia and I congrats on our wedding. And then I we chatted back and forth. She was at the airport on her flight back to, I'm assuming Louisiana. And then she said she would love to come back. And so we'll see if Gypsy comes back talking about her new love.

If TikTok's gonna live on as a platform, they have to fix the DMs. It's really bizarre. It's terrible. Yeah. Now I was like, did you check out those messages I sent you? And I'm like, no.

I don't even know how to look. Every single time I log on, it it just says Josh Peck is active That's what I get your hand I don't know can't get enough every single time I go on Josh Peck is now active. I'm like, okay What do I do with that information? I know you don't message him and say hi I'm I don't even know how to do it. How did you two come to be? We met like six years ago, and Claudia knew that I wanted to have a podcast

and I was always co-hosting The Toast. And this idea of us recording an episode just sort of came into our heads were like, you know, similar humor, let's try, zero expectations. And like the first episode was like so damn easy. And we're just very lucky in that. But like we're, our friendship has been growing basically live on the show over the last two years,

which is I think why listeners like The Good Guys so much because we're learning so much about each other. But honestly, we're just, we met, we started a podcast. And yeah, it's been amazing. But right, just two old Jews and 30 something bodies. Yeah, literally. You'd think we were two alike, but somehow it works. It does, yeah.

And how did you come up with The Good Guys name? We're good. Because you're just good guys. We're not great. Not great. No, but we're good. But you're just good guys. We're not great. Not great. No, but we're good. But we're better than okay. We're better than most.

Yeah, we're good guys. At life or podcast, all of the above. Everything. You're generally good. Yeah, like we're like self-aware enough to know that we're good. Yeah, the I guys didn't sound as good. No.

No, no, no, no. Yeah, it doesn't roll off the tongue. Also four and four, good guy. It's just good. Okay, it's good. All of it's good. I love that. You've been good so far.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you're good at this. Yeah, we're good. It's fun. I love it. Anything else before we get into Bravo? Who do we think, let's take a bet here and we'll probably never be able to pay it off,

is the next big roast. Who's gonna get roasted, do we think? I don't know, because they mentioned how there hadn't been a roast in so long, because I guess Jeff said, and I took him seriously, that everyone's too afraid in this day and age. I feel like you have to be. Untouchable.

Well, you have to be famous enough for people to care. You have to be able to take a joke. You have to be able to take a joke. You have to be able to pull a crowd. I mean, like, just not just anyone can sell at the Forum, like Tom Brady could. Yeah, but even, but before this, they wouldn't do it at an arena. They used to.

Sure, on Comedy Central. Yeah, it would be like a room. I think a Selena Gomez would be great. I don't know if she can take a joke. I don't think she would do it. You don't think so? I don't know if she would take a joke. I don't think she would do it. You don't think so? I don't know her at all. Neither do I.

But doesn't strike me as someone who would be down for the type of jokes that they say at a roast. I think Selena protects her heart. Yeah. Like for her own peace. Yeah. That's interesting. What about like Nicholas Cage? Oh my God, that would be iconic.

That would be great. Like he would be good. Trying to think of who else. I mean like St that would be iconic. That would be great. Like he would be good. I'm trying to think of who else. Hmm. I mean like Stamos would be good, but it's kind of like... Didn't they do a John Stamos roast? Did they? I'm almost certain. I'm almost certain he's been roasted. Well, there was... Or Saget.

They've done Saget for sure. They've done Saget. That would seem weird that they would do Saget and not Stamos. Allie? No? I only see John Stamos at would do Saget not Stamos. Ali? No? I only see John Stamos at the Bob Saget Rows. Oh, well that's long overdue. Yeah, that would be, but again,

that one's a little hard because there's a lot of low-hanging fruit of, as far as just you go after his looks, you go after the full house of it all. Sure. And I feel like, you're right, it's overdue. He would be great. He'd be great. I mean, you know, I feel like he, you're right. It's overdue. He would be great.

He'd be great. I mean, Tom Brady had a lot of low-hanging fruit. I mean, just got divorced and they went after his marriage big time. I wonder if she watched and if she did, what were her thoughts? I can't imagine she watched. I feel like she watched.

You think so? She looked at clips. Yeah. For sure. She's she looked at clips. Yeah, for sure on tik-tok For sure. Yeah, it was a lot of her looking great in him. Not so much. I don't I don't know why she wouldn't be like Was there anything off-limits, oh my god, no. No. Can you say that in a roast? Be like, listen, you can do anything, but don't mention. I don't think there's no, I don't think that's how it worked.

I mean, and then everyone's kind of fair game because that's how it works. Everyone's kind of still roasting each other. Someone who roasts, someone goes up on the mic and they roast people and then they leave the stage and the next person goes on and kind of roasts the person who is this there. For example, like Kevin Hart was the MC or the host

of the, and so then Nikki Glaser again, who killed it, one of her jokes was great. She was this like Kevin Hart's five-two and weighs 150 pounds and 155 pounds after the rock finishes. It was so good. Then she said a couple of jokes that I don't even feel comfortable repeating because I'm not a comedian.

Kim Kardashian did get up to give a toast and she did get booed. That was time for a joke. Why is that? I don't know, I think just. Taylor Swift. People are so jealous, that's really what it is, it has to be.

I think it's Taylor Swift. Yeah, but oh, interesting. You think the room in there were Swifties? I think there were enough of Swifties following the most recent drop of Taylor. I feel like it was probably more middle-aged white men who think she has no talent. And so when she got up there, they were like,

jealous. Yeah. Well, that's the case, then fuck them. She was also rumored to have been hooking up with Tom Brady as well, so I'm like- Why would you boo that? If they, fans, fans that don't like her but like him. That's what some of her jokes were about.

If you're a middle-aged man and you're offended by Tom Brady having sex with anyone, that's weird. That's weird. Parasocial relationships. What is y'all's favorite, the Valley, Vanderpump, or Summerhouse? Vanderpump. Vanderpump.

And it's like, yeah, Vanderpump, Valley, Summerhouse. For me. I mean, Vanderpump. I mean, Vanderpump is how I got started in Bravo, period. Yeah, it's a classic. It's one of the greatest shows. Speaking of Vanderpump, it's being put on pause for next season.

Why? I didn't know that. They haven't explained. They haven't explained. It's not canceled, but they're putting it on pause because they usually film in the summer, but this summer they're just like, let's give it a break. I'm guessing it has to do with

either Ariana's very busy schedule, I think possibly they're gonna be aligning it with Lala's pregnancy, maybe perhaps. There's some pretty good compelling stories that they could cover. I would assume they would wanna wait to those stories happen. To do the crossover maybe.

Do I need a minute? It's all right. We inadvertently held hands. I just looked over and Josh was like this. Pfft. Ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha. Um, and James Kennedy is becoming like, Avicii.

No, he's- Like, R.I.B. R.I.B. Like, overnight. You old Jewish dad. Avicii. He's Tiësto. You hear that new song levels.

DJ Armin van Buren. But he's like, I look at, uh, I look at the screen. You hear that new song levels? DJ Armin van Buren. But he's like, I look at Instagram, and it's like him and Carl Cox at like EDC. They could follow him and it's great. Yeah, it's a great storyline for James. So yeah, I think my guess is they're just trying to time it with better.

Well, there's that too. What was your, that's a theory you have. That's trying to time it with better... Well, there's that too. What was your, that's a theory you have. That's not my theory. I won't take credit for that, but there is a theory that they're trying to film it, I filmed Vanderpump and Valley aligned with each other so they can continue doing the crossovers

that they've been doing. Ah, or maybe they're delaying it to make sure that the restaurant is open. Yeah, so that's the other theory that- Wait. That's Ben. Ben has a theory on this. Yeah, I just watched this episode

and they're talking about how this restaurant, what's the name of the restaurant again? Something about her. Something about her. Okay, it's a sandwich shop. Okay, they're talking about they don't have the permits. You don't need a permit to open a sandwich shop. Are you sure? Sure you do.

No, no, no. Not a permit that takes months and months and months and months to get. In LA I would bet. You need a permit, but it's not a hard permit to get to sell food. It's not. I would bet you though, LA I feel like permits everything.

If you wanted to redo a window in your house, it takes six months. And their permits not for the food, it's for like the deck and the patio outside. Like that's one of the permits that they're really like fighting for. So launch without the patio. I just, listen, I get what you're saying, Ben.

I think permits is a legitimate excuse, but I am sure there are other variables, like there are busy schedule, and I think maybe things fell through the cracks, but I think the permits are like a big part of the excuse, but I'm sure to your point, there are probably other variables that aren't being mentioned.

It's just very strange to me. I feel like every time I watch, they're talking about like a tasting menu or we're doing this or we're doing this, and it's a sandwich shop. It's hard to open a business though. Yeah, but it's not that hard if you have the right people. Like unless they're the ones opening the business,

somebody should be working behind the scenes to actually open the business. Well, as Brock Davies did his so wildly, weirdly research that the trademark isn't even under either of their names, it's under the penny, the girl that. You don't even need a trademark to open a sandwich shop. Like it's such a- You don't.

A trademark is you get, usually get after- Just buy the bread! No, that's really what I mean! Get some gold cut! It's so easy, I could open it tomorrow. Start with a cart! But what I get- That's what I thought I could try.

To your point though, I think- You're having that much trouble opening something that won't make you any money? The margins are shit! Like I just, I'm watching it, and I'm like, what's wrong with all of you? Open it or don't think the people on these shows are the most... Like, I don't think they're on these shows for their business acumen, you know?

And I think there's a pressure of, like, I should do something with my time on the show. I think a lot of people assume that the shows, like Bravo or the production companies producing these shows, are heavily involved in helping these people get their businesses off the ground. I don't think that's the case. I think that's the problem. assume that the shows like Bravo or the production companies producing these shows are heavily involved in helping these people get their businesses off the

ground I don't think that's the case. Absolutely not. And I think I think these businesses that they try to come up with or and sometimes fail are solely a product of like how good these people are at business. Yeah sure. And so and this isn't a criticism to Katie or Ariana I think they have other things going on where they had the idea, there's like, hey, we should start a sandwich shop, we can promote it on the show. And I think just like life got in the way.

Did that happen, did the idea happen before Ariana got really famous? Is that maybe what this is? That now she's realizing, oh, my time building a sand, a singular sandwich shop that I'm gonna make no money from is just not worth it. That would make a lot more sense to me, right? Yeah.

I think they came up, I think that's exactly what it is. I think they came up with the idea, they still wanna do it, it sounds like a nice idea, but they're making way too much money doing other things. It's not a top priority, but now they're kind of pot committed because they kind of told the audience about doing this and they kind of have to fucking do it. Exactly. And now, yeah, I think it's more of that. But about doing this and they kind of have to fucking do it exactly and now yeah

I think it's more that but they did announce that they are gonna be opening it this month May 22nd nice So oh wow see you at the opening Gonna go is there anything is there any coffee or their fun side dishes? Are we doing pasta salad? I would love to know I would love to know I need I, as a picky eater, I need to build your own option. I also won't eat cut fruit. What? Yeah. So how do you eat a watermelon?

Yeah. I have to cut it. Oh. And also, how do I eat a watermelon? I cut it in half, take out a spoon. You spoon it out? And spoon it out. But he will not get like, cut mango or like, oh.

From a Mexican fruit cart or something. Are you afraid of cut fruit? Like if we put you on Dr. Phil, like you know that like episode with like the pickles. Not the pickles! Nick's there, don't cut my fruit! Or is it like a- Basically, yes. You're afraid.

Yeah, I find it to be repulsive. The idea that the freshness, once fruit is cut, you have seconds to eat it. Seconds. Seconds. Once oxygen gets to the inside of a fruit, it's not the same type of fruit. It's gross.

So what is the difference between that and a cow that was killed like three months ago and you're eating a steak? So much different. I'm cooking the steak for one. Yeah, I wouldn't eat it raw. And so there's a- Raw. Yeah.

What about sushi? I like sushi. Okay. It's fruit. Bite into an apple. No, you're right. Bite into an apple, set it down. Come back 15 minutes later, look at that apple.

Apples I have a huge problem with. These pre-packaged moths that we could be giving to Max, I'm out. I gotta say- Pre-sliced apples? No good. My son did pull a woody and nuts when he got his Happy Meal from McDonald's.

Sparingly! Leave me alone in the comments, he likes McDonald's sometimes. And they give an option, they go, would you like fries, double fries, or fries and apples? Double fries. Like you can get a little extra fries. Wait, they'll serve double fries as an option

for a kid's Happy Meal? But they're already so, I will say small. The fries are this big. Give them more. You know? Love it. They're three. Yeah.

Would you like a little extra fries or would you like the apple slices? So my son, yeah, I like apple. I'm like, idiot. I'm like, grandma McDonald, are you sick? And you know what? They were surprisingly, I was like, let me try one of these and they weren't bad. That worries me because apples aren't meant to hold their freshness. So what is holding their freshness?

There's no there's some sort of it has to be bad. Yeah How can you get an apple to stay fresh? Yeah, exactly chemicals. It was a nice stuff the chems, you know Citric acid preservative. It's fine. You worried too much. Yeah, you're fine. It's fine. Cut fruit out. I'm out on cut fruit. Okay. Disgusting. You don't have anything like that that y'all are out on? No, I love food.

I think like tin fish. I'm not really a big fan of that, like sardines and whatnot. I also don't like sardines. But I've also been told that I ate them wrong. I tried a sardine plain. Uh-huh. That apparently is not the way to do it.

You either put it on toast or you like put it in things like an anchovy. On apparently is not the way to do it. You either put it on toast, or you like put it in things like a anchovy. I've done it. Is it okay? It's no good. Oh, sardines are delicious. I tried caviar for the first time not too long ago. Caviar's great.

Not bad, yeah. I love it. It doesn't really taste like anything. Caviar? It really doesn't. We gotta get you more caviar. Like better caviar. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'll show you. It doesn't just taste like a little salty water? No, it tastes like butter. It shouldn't taste like anything. Does butter taste like anything? Good butter. No. It's like salty butter.

Do you eat a lot of butter? Yeah. Like on just- Plain? Yeah. No. Okay. No, no.

Cause I do, I also, I do cook with butter. Yeah. No, no, no. My sister though, she thinks that she, she's's allergic to dairy now between the ages of two and four We would catch her next to the refrigerator eating a stick of butter My cousin playing butter and we think that she like ate so much butter that her body said no more They're like fuck this. Do you guys leave your butter out? No, I Want to I we should would yeah, I like soft butter. I want to, but no. We should.

I would, yeah. I like soft butter. It's a move, it's the only move. We don't have a butter dish, we need a butter dish. We don't have a butter dish because I would never put it where it belongs. I don't put things where they belong. There's something missing in my brain

that says it belongs here, put it back. There. I'm out on most things that are popular. Like, I don't like Chipotle really. I don't like, there's a lot of, like, I think we need a break from whatever's been really on trend the last 10 years. Like, I can't get excited over avocado toast anymore.

I hate avocado. Me too. Oh, I like avocado. They're impossible though. You buy them, the second you're ready to use them, you gotta throw them away. Yep. Yep. Again, freshness.

Yeah, tough. Avocado toast, I'm with you though. No good. I'm kind of over chips and guac. I think, yeah, there's just certain things. I don't want this to sound like an all out assault on the avocado. I was gonna say, do you like avocados?

I do like avocados. I just, it's just like popular things. I'm kind of over. I'm trying to think of what do I say on TikTok all the time? We're going to do a carbonara. I'm like, I don't need that right now. I want to be new. New.

At Josh Peck on TikTok. Fresh. I want to freshen it up. Or even crispy rice. I might be out for a while. And who doesn't love a spicy tuna crispy rice? We went and got sushi the other night at this new place that we actually saw

from watching the valley. We actually get a lot of dinner recs from watching the valley. What'd we do? Taisho? So we went to- Kiwami? Yes.

Which one? Taisho. Saw Rachel Lindsay there. Yep, we did. It's owned by the same people that own Boulevard. So we go, and I'm not the biggest sushi eater, don't really love seafood. She's from Alabama. Yeah, we don't really love seafood. She's from Alabama.

Yeah, we don't really have much seafood there. And I was like, you know what? I love crispy rice. So I'll get the spicy tuna crispy rice. And that thing came piled up on top. So I took pretty much all of the spicy tuna off. You're like Claudia. She does the same thing.

I eat the tuna, she eats the crispy rice. And all my plate was just a plate full of spicy tuna. And the one was like, are you done? I was like, I am. Should we go to dinner Saturday night in New York? In, yeah. Let's go. Yeah, let's get sushi.

Amazing. Do you and Paige wanna fly there? Perfect, we'll see you there. On our way. Beautiful. Oh, not to segue, but I saw, I ran into Rachel, but I saw a headline over the weekend about her divorce between her and her estranged husband, Ryan, who, like Ariana and Tom,

still live together in the valley. Well, what are your what are your thought as two married men? Not to get into your financial situation. We're crushing it. No, please, let's get into it. But Brian Rachel's ex-husband is going for spousal support because apparently he can't maintain the quality of life that Rachel gave him during their marriage. If you don't have kids and you were married for a couple years and I say this for both, you know, it's not a man or a woman thing. But like, what?

Really? Spousal support? Can't you just like shake hands and call it a day? Agreed. If all things are equal. Which, if that's what we're striving for. To your point, because like, I get the same shivers, and especially when I hear a dude asking for it, when it's only been a couple years. But to your point, yeah, I think it has to,

I just think it has to be okay across the board that a couple years, shake the hand, let's go. We got kids involved, I mean there's child supports, but like, I just, I don't know anything about Brian and Rachel's marriage or anything like that, but it's just like, what a tough look to be on the cover of like E! News going after your ex-wife's money. What a tough look to be on the cover of like E-news

going after your ex-wife's money. Yeah. When he's a chiropractor, and he's an educated man, you know, I don't know how. Are those the same thing? Can you be an educated man and a chiropractor? He's a doctor. He's a doctor. Anyone who-

I'm partial to a good chiropractor. I love a good crack, you know. For every good chiropractor. I love a good crack, you know? For every good chiropractor, we spoke about this recently on the podcast, there's a chiropractor on TikTok that's literally paralyzing people. Oh, that is, they are- Not saying that's him.

Here's the thing, here's the thing about chiropractors, and maybe not about Brian either, but there's a, I don't want my doctors to be good businessmen. I want them to be great doctors. And there's way too many chiropractors who are great businessmen. Great hustlers.

Boom, maybe not so much Brian, because again, he's going after Rachel's money. But again, I just, it seems like, dude, you, I'm sorry it didn't work out, or you haven't made the money you wanted to, but like, why is he entitled to Rachel's money? I don't know. It's very weird.

It's very weird. There's things like if I was launching a pod, like if I was married to someone and I was launching a podcast or a business, and in those three to five years, like it was really the foundational part of it, and in name they're not part of, they're not on the business,

but they were incredibly supportive, and there was like a lot of, just, there was just a lot of support. And then I could see some level. Sure, and like Brian moved to LA and he started his business here. That was like a choice. And I get it, like if someone stays home

and watches the kids, so someone could go to school and like sacrifice their entire life and gave up their own dreams, then sure, I get it. But that's not, nowadays, that's not what's going on. Not with them. Again, I don't know, I know he moved here for her career. I guess I'm not getting spousal support. Sounds like Nick's gonna-

No, you are, welcome to California. It's great, 50-50, as it should be. No, you're right, well, no, we're never getting divorced. You're right, you're right, you're right, you're right. Never. Never? Don't ever look at me like that again. We're never getting divorced. Why am I ever, you're right. We're never getting divorced. You're right. You're right. Never. Never? Don't ever look at me like that again. We're never getting divorced.

Why am I looking at you? We're never getting divorced, Ben. You said it wasn't me. You're the one who's worried. No, I'm not worried. First fight. First fight. No, it's good.

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And I feel like they definitely did. That was just a drunk horny man. Like, I was just like, hey, you know, we're at a bar, you're looking hot. Like you wanna just like go upstairs and fuck. If you're forced to work and hang out with your ex partner, you have to, it's impossible not to keep hooking up. It's honestly really, I thought like from Katie's perspective,

it should be flattering like to still be attracted to somebody that you, right? Since you're divorced, I feel like sometimes you lose all that. And to know that there's still something, just sexually, I feel like must be nice. They seem to both want to. Whether they actually did, I feel like Katie was like,

I probably shouldn't, but like. It seems like Schwartzy has a crush on his ex-wife, and I think that's kinda cute. Did I misunderstand? Because he leads with, I wanna, do we wanna have a one night stand? But he follows with, I wanna order a 200 bucks in junk food

and I wanna scroll And not talk to each other. And not talk to each other. That has nothing to do with sex. It was probably what they did the majority. I feel like that's what he was intimating. And then she replied, that's almost more intimate. So I'm not sure, I didn't get a sex vibe.

And I was actually more mad at him because of it. Did I black out during that part? Yeah, probably. I was annoyed by that comment too. It's a shame, they seem like a great couple. Every time I watch those two on this show interact, it makes me sad. But you know, they were,

the fact that they have to work together. You're right. It was actually a slimy comment. Now that I'm replaying in my head. Hurtful. Yeah, hurtful. It's dismissive. Yeah, it was like, let's go upstairs,

not have sex, order room service, and not talk to each other like we normally do. I don't think it was a rejection. I actually, to Katie's point, I think it was more, I think it was more hurtful of like, let's do the thing we loved, because we were so close and intimate

that we could be our free selves and not worry about putting on a show, just like mindlessly scrolling, be in each other's presence. And that's... It's hurtful because Katie has continued to like keep the same story, which is like, she didn't want to get divorced.

She didn't fall out of love with the guy, swore, like forced her hand. And she finally was like, you're not playing your role. You're not doing your part. And I mean, she was forced to leave him and she didn't want to. It's just, it's, it's a sad, that's a sad reality. Katie herself said, like, uh, this is more intimate than us just going upstairs and fucking. I wish she would have just asked that instead which I agree

I'm like this motherfucker did Okay, I I feel first of all Katie looks incredible I was noticing at your wedding just like she she looks amazing and but we saw it with Joe too Tom Schwartz God bless him. I like he is the worst But we saw it with Joe too. Tom Schwartz, God bless him, I like him. He is the worst. The worst. Yeah, it seems that way.

When someone is saying this to you, it's fine. I love you. I was like, Joe, I wanna give you a hug. When you're just grabbing onto the person, be like, it's fine that we're just friends. I know, and then he's like, and then eight years we'll get married. And then she's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, and eight years we'll get married. And he's like, wait, what? No then eight years we'll get married. And then she's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And eight years we'll get married. And he's like, wait, what? No. She's like, you just said that. He's like, no, I didn't. I didn't say that. Oh. It's just, yeah, it's sad.

That hurts. It does hurt. Pain. Sheena's still upset that she hasn't had her moment on Vanderpump on the after show. She can't help herself. I don't know what it is. I mean, she sounded so wonderful. She was like, you. I don't know what it is. I mean,

she sounded so wonderful. She was like, you know, I was like, where is this, where is this Sheena coming from? Where she was talking about how it's like, she was really happy for Ariana having her moment. She's really happy for being in the star and she was saying all these nice things. And then I thought she was done. And then she goes, and I've never, I've never had that. I just don't know why she doesn't understand why she's never had that, because she just won't stop talking about like not being in the center of attention.

And no one wants to make someone the center of attention who desperately points out that they're not the center of attention. It's not rocket science. She also never stops crying. I've never seen her not crying on the show. And it's about, it's either about her drama, somebody else's drama, she's always crying.

I cry, it's okay to cry, but she cries a lot. A lot. I feel like it's also kind of a fair statement to say that it's like everybody else can't make it about you because you beat us to it. You know what I mean? She's like instantly, like somebody breaks up, she receives the information, starts crying,

and it's like, it's about her. You didn't even give us a chance. Because Ariana is always quiet. She never speaks up. She's in the shadows. She's been accused of being boring, television. And so when this all went down, that's why we were all like,

yes, let's give you the attention. And that's how it works, Sheena. All you gotta do is nothing. Just for a little bit. Addition through subtraction. Yeah. And then have Brock cheat on you. Oh, I'm just saying. Well, no, I'm just like she wants to understand.

Well, maybe I do. I do think Tom Sandoval and Sheena are meant to be. They have great chemistry, at least from Sheena's perspective. By the way, that last shot of them on the rooftop with him in the fedora, and her with like the old 20s style head garb, I don't think either of them have ever looked better. I would agree. I did say that.

I said Sheena looks beautiful right now. And Tom is on some, not Cleopatra, who was the other one? Medusa shit. Well, I didn't realize. Tom looks amazing. I saw Tom in that outfit before realizing I was half paying attention, because like Tom has a very eccentric wardrobe.

So I just thought Tom was dressing for the day. Then I realized it was a theme. Sure, it was a costume. It's really hard to tell with Tom. It's fair, it's fair. But they did look good. Where were they flying to in that episode? San Francisco.

Did you not think that the plane footage was a little strange? We literally like, what airline is this? First of all, I think it was Southwest. It was JetBlue. Oh, cause the orange, yeah. The extra like room, the JetBlue. Ariana middle seat?

Anybody notice that? Middle seat coach? There's only coach on JetBlue flights unless they're transcontinental in which they offer the mint service. Ariana middle seat? Anybody notice that? Middle seat coach? Yeah. There's only coach on JetBlue flights unless they're transcontinental in which they offer the mint service. But again, that's why Ariana is the center of attention because despite her being the star,

she's willing to sit in the middle seat. Yeah, I guess one could interpret that. I was also thinking like her boyfriend made her sit in the middle. I was about to say, would you? I've never sat in so many middle seats in Stating Natalie, I will say that. No, wow.

It's the right thing to do, no? 1000%. Well, the right thing to do is pony up, sit in first class. Obviously, yes. Which we'll be doing on Wednesday. If not, no problem, I love a coach seat. If I'm by myself, I'll.

If I happen to be next to Claudia, which honestly, at this point, she'd rather drop dead than sit and coach and then really drop dead than sit in middle. It will never happen. Have you ever flown with your wife while she's in first class and you're in coach? Yes, for sure.

If I booked a flight really late. I respect you so much more now. That's hot. If I book a flight really late, like if we booked flights at the same time, we're sitting together, but there's, she's a planner, I'm a last minute. So she could book a flight a month in advance.

And she's only booking her own. She's not booking for you? No, no, no, not if, not if I don't know if I can go yet. Oh, that's true, yeah. Yeah, like why would you care? Two very busy people. Exactly, so, okay, I figure out that I can go. If something's not available in verse,

for sure I'm sitting in coach. I'm not missing the flight. I don't care that much, but- But you would never make her sit middle next to like a stranger. No, ever. No. What a gentleman. No. What about you Josh? I have.

He's like yeah, no, I'm a fan bitch. He's like I'm the famous person in this relationship. Move over Paige. Daddy needs leg room. Josh Peck is here. Guys like Nick keep saying, he's like I need the leg room and I'm like the window seat and the middle have the exact same leg room. No, no, no, no, no. Guys, like Nick keeps saying, he's like, I need the leg room. And I'm like, the window seat and the middle have the exact same leg room.

No, no, no, no, no. Oh, oh, yes, they do. Yes, the aisle, maybe you get a leg out in the aisle, but it's all the same. The aisle in coach. I have never not sat in the middle, so to be clear. The button under the rail. You learn from TikTok.

That leads you back? No, no, you push it up, you can lift it up, and then your leg all of a sudden can go like this into the aisle But then you're gonna get bruised from the cart. Do you know? Yeah, I get bruised from the cart all the time Do you I know this is a hot hot debate. Yeah on the internet you recline or not recline. No No, if I'm in first, I'll recline you know on a long flight. No, no, it's so fucked up because somebody reclines on me So what I want to strangle them. No, you's so fucked up. Because somebody reclines on me. So what? I want to strangle them.

No, you all recline. Everyone reclines. How are you supposed to work? You have to recline. How are you supposed to work? I can't have my laptop out. All of a sudden you crunch my computer. It's there for a reason.

Why are we not utilizing all the features of the plane? It's malicious. Yeah, they're saying the recline is not that much. No, terrible. I'm out. I'm out. Oh, I'm reclining during takeoff. Oh, as am I. I recline, as soon as I see the flight attendant sit down, I'm like, oh, they can out. I'm out. Oh, I'm reclining during takeoff

As soon as I see the flight attendant sit down, I'm like, oh they can't yell at me now You're like so much further back because the plane's going so you're like, this is so nice. Yeah, we have Lay flat I her climbing. No, no, no, I'm saying coach, obviously. Obviously. We had lay flat on the flight from New York back to LA. And so as soon as I saw the flight attendant sit down for takeoff, I'm probably going to get in trouble for this. No, I went full bed. I was like, I want to feel what it's like to lay down

during takeoff. It's kind of the same. Imagine you see me. You walk onto a flight. I'm in a lay flat bed just stiff as a brick, like trying to sleep. The whole flight. Reclining in coach is for animals.

I'm sorry. That's crazy. Oh, I do. That's crazy. No. Well, it's clearly all based off of, I just think it's funny that everyone has a strong opinion and they always equate that opinion to human decency. And all that comes down to is a personal preference.

Like you don't want that seat on your knees. No. My preference is despite being as tall as you is I need that back support. Those two inches, that's the difference between getting a bad nap and no nap at all. So that's interesting. I don't sleep on planes.

Same. I don't either, but when I close my eyes at 90 degrees, it's just not the same, you know? It's like, I feel like I have acid reflux, you know? And I'm leaning forward. Reflex. You know? No, it's terrible.

Do you have your reflex? What did I say? Reflex. Reflux. It's acid reflux. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay. We're fine. It's S, reflux. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. We're fine.

It's okay, window up or window down? Okay. It depends on the time of day. It depends on the time of day. If it's in the morning and you open your window, Fuck you. I'm gonna kill you. And they actually did this to us,

flight from Austin to LA, Claudia and I are sitting next to each other first. Woman to the right, the only one with her window open, glaring right in my eyes, that flight I'm sleeping on because it's six o'clock in the morning and I can push back my seat because I'm in first. That should be illegal. It should be locked anytime before 8 a.m.

Yes, thousand percent. But otherwise I like locking it. But what about the window in between? If there's a window on your aisle, there's a window in between and then there's a window or there's the person behind you. It should be the window. Who gets to close the window.

The person that's in front of. If the window is kind of behind you, it's not your window. If a flight takes off before nine o'clock in the morning, those need to be locked. All windows are locked. Locked. Illegal, kicked off the,

same as smoking on the plane. Which we need to bring back. I'm in. You want to recline on me and coach, but I'm busting a marble already. If I could rip a dart in an exit. Can I smoke weed? Yeah, exit.

Whatever. Okay. Whatever, I'm in. Yeah. Totally. Interesting. Okay. You're right. Interesting.

Okay. Did you want to touch on Brock talking to Orion about forgiveness? Sure. And how Brock said forgiveness isn't accepting what he's done. Forgiveness is giving yourself this ability to focus on the good things going on around you. I mean, there's some truth to that.

And then Ariana brought up male and female rage. I must have been, again, blacked out, I feel like. She said, but in order to move onhappily and focus on the good you 100% don't have to forgive anyone that's traumatized you there's power to me in her and anger and in female emotion. It's me I'm a gray rock the only thing I wanted to point out is just like Ariana's a lot of penguins about like men's behaviors, you know on this show in general But it's like she's been hanging out with these group of guys for like 10 years.

The Tom Sandoval's and the Swartz's and the Jack's tailors. And it's just like, not all guys are like this, but these are the circle of people she's been involving herself with. And so she has all these strong opinions of how men act. And I just like, and I mentioned this on the show not too long ago where it's just like, I have a handful of friends where it's like,

it's my woman friends where they date these shitty men for a long period of time. And then, you know, and they put up with certain types of behavior. And then when they see other men act a certain way, they'll get so like upset about it, but choose to accept that type of behavior in their lives. And I'm glad Arianna is no longer accepting

this type of behavior, but I think she surrounded herself with this behavior for so long, and is generalizing about men in general. And I think sometimes you kind of have to look around by who you're surrounding yourself with. And it's not all these people are the Jax Taylors and Tom Sandivals of the world. It's like...

And it ain't ending anytime soon. Yeah, I mean, you know, if you're going to surround yourself with all these kind of shitty guys, then you're going to have a bad perception of what men can be. What's her new boyfriend's name? Dan. I want to know his workout regimen. He's a personal trainer. Genetic.

Yeah. He's taken creatine. Probably. I love that we're talking about it like it's fentanyl. He's on the creatine. No, he is. No, he looks incredible. For the ladies in the room, is his hair charming? The Fabio thing?

Is it ick? Do we like the hair? I've never been a fan of a man bun. And I feel like this is a man ponytail. That's good to know, because I could never grow one and I was always envious of the ones who could. Me too. Really?

So good to know that. No, I'm not growing it. No, no, no, don't be envious. No. No, don't be. It's okay, I think. Yeah, it's an extreme bun. Hot take.

I think Ariana's into Mimbos. Mimbos? 100%. Yeah. Wait, what's a Mimbo? Is this a universal phrase? Yeah, I don't know what it is. I didn't know. Because there's Himbos. What'sos? 100%. Yeah. Wait, what's a Mimbo? Is this a universal phrase? Yeah, I don't know what it is.

I didn't know. Because there's Himbos. What's a Himbo? Same thing. Okay. What's a Himbo? It's like a dumb guy, right? Yeah.

A dumb guy with character, with charisma. I don't know about the charisma part, but sure. I think a lot of them can be charismatic. I thought intimate is like metro more. You know, there's like Tom Sandoval, who's pretty, what's the word, amorphous. A feminine. A feminine.

A centric. Yeah, maybe, yeah, like, and then also, you know, when you have a boyfriend with beautiful flowing locks, such as Dan, I see some connection. Yeah, I don't think she's into sophisticated men. Okay. Okay. All right.

Is that an offensive take? This is comedy, you know what I'm saying? Very good. Oh, that was good. Her track record is more of the kind of... Androgynous, you know? Personal trainer, musician, you know, someone who's in his 30s looking for life.

She doesn't want a guy from Mad Men. I think that's what we've made clear. She doesn't want a guy from Home Improvement. But I just think it all makes sense. That comes with risks. She doesn't want Alan Taylor. That comes with a certain type of guy. That's true.

Tim Allen. Tim Allen. Who's Alan Taylor? That's our realtor. That is our realtor, Alan Taylor. Very good, if you're looking for a house in the valley. That's you. That's you. Tim Allen. Tim Allen. Tim Allen. Who's Allen Taylor? That's our realtor. That is our realtor, Allen Taylor. Very good.

If you're looking for a house in the valley, shout out Allen. Allen's your guy. Let's talk about Tim Allen though. Different, very different. Very different, yeah. It looks like a healthy relationship though. Like her new boyfriend.

Cause there's still a guy there to this day. We don't know about it. Except for the middle seat. Yeah. Right? I guess. We don't know about it, except for the middle seat. Yeah. Right? I guess. What did you think about him staying back and not trying to interject himself into the dinner?

He was like, you go and I'll meet up when it's appropriate. I thought it was nice. I'd do that. Doesn't really need to be a part of the show. Nice, normal. I thought it was just weird that he didn't wanna go and be with his girlfriend as she is forced to be around her ex that she cannot stand to be around.

She didn't wanna give her a safe. The one she lives with? Yeah, you're right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's true. How does that, I wonder if every time he comes to town, do they get a hotel? I wouldn't feel comfortable staying in your house

with your, they get a hotel. Doesn't make any sense. None of it makes any sense. None of the whole thing. They're not, one, if it's really money, like these people can get apart, like these people can't get free apartments or something, like barter some deal with some, like if it's money.

No, the financial. It can't possibly be money though. The financial problems of the Vanderpump cast fascinates me, it's the most fascinating topic. Why, say more. Well, they've been on TV for a decade. Aren't they each making at least like a hundred grand an episode?

I think it's much more than that. So let's just say that it was a hundred. Let's just say, yeah. Right. You can't afford six grand a month to go move into a decent rental. I don't know. An Airbnb perhaps.

But they all talk as if they are struggling to make ends meet. Now everyone's been, people are Venmo-ing each other money. Sheena was like, I had no money during the pandemic. It's like, I don't know. Tom had to perform or else he couldn't pay his mortgage. Ariana mentioned that she was broke

before this all happened. I mean, there's been a lot of conversations about the Vanderpump cast. Tom Schwartz lives like he's broke. I don't know if he actually lives. Yeah. Maybe he's the only one with money because he's maybe- Brugal. Brugal, yeah.

Him and Katie did the fiscally responsible thing and just said, hey, we're getting divorced. I guess we have to sell our house. That would make sense. Are him and Sandoval living together? Yeah, are they? Or is that a bit? I mean, it was just like something

that Sandoval proposed to Schwartz, but then Schwartz was kind of like, that's crazy. No, but then Schwartz went and told Ariana, like, listen, I might do it. And she was like, okay, sure, I don't care. I believe Sandoval's in the house by himself, because we know Ariana just bought a new house. So I'm like, Sandoval is still there,

and the house has not been put up for sale. Is Schwartz paying him rent in this situation? He would be paying him 6,000, I believe, in rent. Oh, really? That's what the proposition was, yeah. Oh, I mean, that's shitty. Yeah. He owns the house. What's he, making money off his friends?

No, that's disgusting. You think Tom Sandoval put down more than 20%? I bet they've got a hefty mortgage. Oh, yeah. Hefty. Yeah, but like, the prop- They took out a loan for their down payment. The proposition of like, live with me was nice

until I realized it's just- Until I wanna be your landlord. Yeah, he wants to be his landlord. Why doesn't he put everybody in the house? Right? Now that's a show. Sheena. VPR is now Summer House.

And then it's Summer House. Sheena would move in. In the valley. Yeah, probably. Yeah. But this might be an unpopular take, so I'm interested to hear, but I think the show, and I'm not,

I think they are all stars. I've watched the show. I would watch them in all different iterations. I think Sheena should have her own realty show. I think, you know, Ariana should have her own dating show. Like, I think they should all go on to have a beautiful reality TV career. I think Vanderpump Rules, in this iteration,

is the walking dead. I just think we need to, like, when someone's terminally ill, the doctor will make a decision and they'll go, let's put them on steroids, right? Because they know that it's going to give them quality of life for like two more months. And then it's going to, but it's going to, it's going to just be over. But they'll be like, it'll be great, they'll have fun, they'll dance, they can go on trips,

and then after that, I think this Ariana Tom thing was steroids for VPR. I think it was like, you're gonna, we get one more great season, but maybe we kind of now need to... Are you not enjoying the season? I just think it's done. And I think it's because I've been a fan

from the beginning, and it's just. And I think it's because I've been a fan from the beginning. And it's just, the dynamic doesn't quite seem there. Am I gonna get in trouble for this? No, I don't care. I'm sorry and I take it all back. Comedy, comedy. It's comedy. By the way, I want them all to have their own shows.

I love them all. It just doesn't quite feel like it once did. Sure, I mean the whole Lisa Vanderpump of it all doesn't make sense anymore. For sure. You know? What was great, I think the magic was they were all really attractive, working in this Beverly Hills, adjacent, high-end, super, they were living in this rich world, and then they were going back to these shitty apartments.

And you could relate. Like you felt like, oh, I know how cool to live in both worlds. And then, but it doesn't, there's no version of that. They're not going back to those apartments. No, but it's still fun though. They're still willing to be messy and therefore I enjoy watching it.

How messy though? What are you talking about? I don't know. This episode wasn't very messy. They're generally messy people. I mean, sure. Are we? Not like they used to be.

No, they're not that messy anymore. How do you like watching Kristen on the Valley? I know you're friends with her. So I'm very torn, because I feel very defensive. Because the person, I quite like, she's very sweet. I love Kristen, I've known her for 15 plus years. She seems like she has a really good heart.

And she doesn't wish ill on anyone. And would be there for you if you were her friend, like, might not be the person you talk to every day, but the person you could call if you were in trouble. And she'd be there like in a second and unabashedly, like wouldn't care about any kind of flack that she would get in response to helping you. She'd be like, you're my friend, I'm here.

She's a right-of-the-eye. Yeah. She's a friend of the podcast. That said, she needs to get a stainless steel fridge. She's fronting. I was watching this episode and looking at a black fridge. Did you see the black fridge? This black fridge. Black fridge, not the black fridge.

No, no, no, it was the most hideous fridge. I couldn't watch the scene. I was hyper fixated on why didn't you buy a new fridge? Cause you don't buy a fridge in a rental, you inherit the fridge. Yeah, but like, that's up to the people. Why are you renting in a place with a black fridge? Why are places still giving tenants black fridges?

This is what I'm saying. Y'all are rich, y'all have changed. You can get a cheap stainless steel fridge. Y'all never had a white frigidaire? I didn't have a ice machine to my, the apartment that I had before we bought a house that I lived with with Paige, cause she wouldn't move into my apartment

that I'd had since I was 14 in the valley. Call me shallow if I'm gonna be on reality TV and they're filming in my house, I'm getting rid of the black fridge. It's $900 at Home Depot. $900 at Home Depot. Despite Kristin and her black fridge and her loyalness as a friend,

her inability to relate an accurate story, is that something you've discussed with her at all? She also admitted it. Kinda. Well, her and Luke had a... The story didn't seem that different. Like, I was thinking about it. Like, the story was that he was gonna leave his... Very different.

He was gonna leave his wife, right? He said, Jesse, that I think if I'm still married in a couple months, I'll be shocked or something to that effect. And it's been very clear that he's fighting to keep the marriage and she clearly has another boyfriend. That's what it is. Oh, that he'd then file for, I understand.

And then Kristen was like, your husband said he's going to divorce you in two months. That's a very different version. Yes, very different. Yeah, it's different. Different, yeah. And like she was so. With that context, it's different. Otherwise I yeah. And like she was so.

With that context, it's different. Otherwise I was thinking it's the same thing. You're gonna leave. Either way, you're divorced. You're gonna get divorced, it's the same thing. But if he's not the one pushing for the leaving. No. But why was Michelle so offended?

She's like, he's gotta divorce me. No, no, no, I'm divorcing him. It was like her ego was shot. Like you're gonna divorce him. Sure, but it's really annoying for someone in that situation to scream, I know the truth, and then put out a very wrong rumor. It'd be wrong.

About your own life and relationship. That would piss me off. Like, tell me more about me, you know? It's like, that would annoy me. She's excellent television. It's like she has a, it's like when she's on camera, there's a version of Kristen that just comes out of her. I don't know that Kristen.

When you watch these shows, is it like seeing a different person? No, but like certain aspects when you talk about that, it's like undeniable. But no, then I see my friend Kristen, just like with her bun quirks and her, and obviously her boyfriend Luke is, I don't think he could change if he wanted to in a good way.

Have you met him? Yeah, yeah. A bunch. Great, great guy. It was interesting for him to point out the yeah, but that was very sand. It's very sand of I'll ask. I just love that when sitting down with Jax and Jax is going in on Kristen and Jax, who's an agent of chaos, straight up looked at him and was like,

you are a self-admitted pathological liar. Yeah, I love that he did his research. Yeah, what are you talking about? I don't know how any of these people put up with Jax Taylor because he's always- Ben does. You do, are you a friend of Jax Taylor? We're friends. Really? We went to their wedding. You did?

They invited us to their wedding. Sure. Yeah. Again, we went, we went. They. Oh, yeah. Again, we went. We went, yeah. We would have invited you. Yeah, we went. Yeah.

And, but like, we're not close. We're not close. I was watching that whole scene and just thinking, are they good bowlers? Like, who do you think's the best bowler of the group? Who won the group? There was no, like, I didn't see any action. We didn't see a scoreboard.

Nothing. Nothing. Luke was getting strikes. I feel like Jax is a great bowler and brings his own ball. You feel that? I don't see any action. We didn't see scoreboard. Nothing. Luke was getting strikes. I feel like Jax is a great bowler and brings his own ball. You feel that? I don't know, the poses beforehand were a little alarming. Yeah. No, I think Jax is a shitty bowler and cheats.

I think he cheats. I think he bumper bowls and he's told people he's bowled a 300 before. What was the other guy's name? I always forget his name. Danny. It was Danny, Luke and Jack? Jason.

Jason's Janet's. Oh, Jason. Janet's husband, yeah. Jason was very nice. I like him. I do too. Seems like a really nice guy. Have you met him?

No. Okay, just curious. He seems very just, isn't he a lawyer? He seems very normal. Yes, very normal. It's kinda like, why the hell are you on this show? Exactly, yeah. Right?

Yeah. I like how he's surprised at his wife gossips. That was so funny. He's like, you quit your job to now have a now full-time job of gossiping. What is this? Yeah, that's reality TV. It's like, this is my life.

The women in the valley. Yeah. What else are you supposed to do? And what's the name of the alley. Yeah. That's what you're supposed to do. And who, what's the name of the woman dealing with postpartum? Nia. I really salute her for being so public about her journey with that and going through depression and it's so hard and to do it in such a public way, like I give her a lot of credit. I also give her so much credit for when they sit down at Tush, the restaurant that Nick

and I went to. And Michelle and Jesse are like, we are here to shit talk Kristin. And he is like, you know what? I'm dealing with enough already. I can't deal with this too. And she's just like, I don't care about your issues with Kristin. I love a good, like, I'm not here to gossip.

Yeah. When people wanna gossip. Yeah. The stand up for your, you know what? I'm not interested. No. Love that. When people say stuff like that. Who doesn't want to gossip though? What do we call what we're doing now?

Yeah. Yeah. Just making a show. Yeah. Property not gossip, that's okay. I'm going to shift to Summerhouse because I feel like there's a big stance, I guess some people could take,

whether it's Team Carl or Team Lindsay, with this whole him talking to his parents and his stepdad saying, if he's a, I guess some people could take whether it's team Carl or team Lindsay with this whole him talking to his parents and his stepdad saying if he's a I guess pastor saying I would not marry the two of you if you were my couple and Carl not giving all the information up until later a couple days later how do we feel about not only his dad saying that, but also him not telling Lindsay in real time. I'm team Carl. Period? Period.

I hear Lindsay and I'm like, stop it. And every scene that I would watch and her at her bridal shower, talking to her mom, her mother-in-law's in frame, but she's not talking to her mother-in-law. And she like touches her shoulder and she like looks at her all the time. And like for her to like create drama with her on the show just felt so gross and weird.

Like you're gonna bring up something that was a private conversation to an older woman that's gonna be your mother-in-law. It felt very calculated. Yeah, the thing that I liked about this episode too is that they again broke the fourth wall and they were talking about how the circumstances would be different if we weren't filming a show, that Lindsay wouldn't have seen that private conversation between the parents, and that's what's forcing his hand to talk about it.

So I'm like, at the end of the day, a private conversation you have with your parents giving you advice, of course they're looking out for your best interests, and it's not about Lindsay in that moment. But because he knows that they're going to see it, and he's still willing to go through with the marriage, or like he's not considering not going through with the marriage, or like he's not considering not going through with the marriage, he's like, I have to tell my partner. So to me, I'm like, that makes the most sense that I'm like, for Carl to feel like he needs to tell her. But in actuality, it's the fact of the matter

is that should have been a private conversation between Carl and his parents that Lindsay didn't have to be privy to. She was also gaslighting him like in that last scene. He's like telling her about something that's clearly a big deal to her. And she'll look back at him and say, what's, that's not a big deal.

Like, why are you, why is it a big deal? And she's acting like it's a big deal. She gaslit me. She's very gaslighty. Like, I'm watching her, I'm like, oh my, I'm feeling attacked as a viewer. It's a bad feeling, like those, there's two times, you're right, that I noticed.

The first time was, well how do you think it's gonna make me feel now knowing your parents have been saying and or know what's going on? It's like wrong approach. And then at the end, when he was clearly emotional, and I've been in those places, like just, now in my life sometimes you like feel like

you just need to get it out and talk and you're welling up, and you can't kind of hold back and put on airs. And she sees that and goes, well, how am I supposed to enjoy dinner now? I'm like, babe, the chicken parm is not gonna be great tonight, we're gonna have to. Let's think about Lindsay, she is unwilling

to even consider the possibility that Carl and her could not be less compatible. And she's just trying to muscle through this relationship and then kind of at the same time, like getting mad at Carl and his family for even the possibility of being like, hey, we kind of fight a lot, you know? I don't know if we get along. And she's just like, fuck you,

we're getting married type of thing. Throughout this season, I've been on team Carl often. I see some of Lindsay's frustrations with Carl. He comes across as a bit of a dreamer, like not much of a doer. And when you're dating someone, that can get frustrating at times,

especially someone like Lindsay who seems to be maybe rougher on the edges, but she is business savvy She is motivated. Yeah strong strong willed You know has a lot of ambitions and dreams and willing to work on those ambitions and dreams and like it just seems like there's a disconnect but she just doesn't ever want to acknowledge and and Kind of gets gaslighting and mad at anyone who brings it up as if Carl isn't allowed to talk to his own parents about the health Of his like relationship and it's just kind of bizarre and mad at anyone who brings it up as if Carl's not allowed to talk to his own parents about the health of his relationship.

And it's just kind of bizarre. Yeah. You know, where, but like, and maybe it's just that Lindsay's operating out of fear. It's like deep, instead of admitting it to herself, she's just getting mad at anyone who brings it up. It's tough. I know, I know that in a relationship,

like obviously it sounds redundant, but like communication is so absurdly key. And my wonderful wife who's had to say like, maybe you communicate just a little less. I'm like, no, let's talk it out. But I, sometimes what seems so clear in my head of where I'm coming from, like Paige will say it back to me.

I'm like, oh no. She's like, well, that's how you've conveyed it. So why don't you either say it differently or try, you know what I mean? But it's hard, communication's hard. I will say I'm team Carl, but I can see how Lindsay kind of was set up in the situation because Carl introduced the topic,

saying that it wasn't that bad. His mom said a couple of things. Then he kind of hyped up the situation in his own head to the point that he like blew up, not blew up. He got to an emotional state at the last scene. So then he came to the dinner, like being like, we need to talk. But like with emotions with it.

So I can see why she was kind of confused. Like, are you upset? Are you not upset? Like maybe that's a hot take on my end. It's not a hot take though, because I am replaying it in my head. When she confronted the mother-in-law, she then thought the beef was squashed.

It was over. And then Carl re-brought it up, made it really big again when it was done. Yeah, he did it so just like I had anxiety. Like listening to him be like, it's fine. No, we just need to talk. He took out his personal hamster wheel of emotion on her when it was done.

Do you think Carl's afraid of Lindsay? Josh? What? What? I don't know. No. No? I think he doesn't feel comfortable

like saying his true thoughts with Lindsay. Intimidated by confrontation in general. So afraid. So, but even when... What's a nicer way of saying it, I guess. I just think he's just bad with confrontation in general. So afraid. So, but even then when- That's a nicer way of saying it, I guess. I actually think he's just bad with confrontation in general, because there was a previous season where Kyle was drunk and was talking poorly about Lindsay

and Carl just sat there the whole time and this is while he's been sober. So it's like, he doesn't like to butt heads with anybody else. Fair enough, but why is he dating the most confrontational person on television? Maybe he thought she'd protect him. No.

Do you want to talk about Wes real fast and how he thinks that if you're not having sex, you can't be exclusive? That was bizarre. Did you find that to be bizarre? It was a comment they made on the after show, so maybe you didn't see it, but they were talking about Wes and Sierra's relationship

and how they haven't had sex yet. And Wes is basically saying how it's like a big sacrifice for him to be exclusive with Sierra because they haven't partaken in sexual intercourse yet. And I find that to be a bit bizarre. I mean, I know it's 2024 and hookup culture is rampant, but is that what it is now? Like the idea that like you can't possibly commit

to someone unless you're getting laid? I would think it's the opposite. Like if you're really in that serious relationship where you're taking it slow and getting to know the person, that's more exclusive than just fucking around. Yeah. Like, and it actually, when I heard him say that, I was like, that is very, very weird.

So you're having such like an intimate, deep relationship with somebody, like so deep that you don't need to have sex yet, that you're then gonna text other girls on the side. I thought that was strange. I thought very strange. How old is Wes? It's a very youthful approach to love and dating.

Don't know. I also don't care. No. No. Not into Wes. He is 28. 28, that's what it is, I think. Is it reasonable to...

Not that young. No. Because in, not in theory, in most cases, intimacy, the physical part of it, is a big part of a relationship, or just a chief component, like one of the legs of the table, right? Sure. We get it, you fuck. What can I say?

At least two times for sure. They communicate and they fuck. At least two times for sure. But, so it's like, can you call yourself serious? Would you even be comfortable asking that person to be your boyfriend or girlfriend having had not had sex yet? Yes.

You would. Are you saying, would I feel comfortable saying to someone, will you be my girlfriend if we hadn't had sex? Yeah. Of course. When did asking someone to be your girlfriend end up turning into asking them to get married? You can A, always break up, but all saying, will you be my girlfriend is,

is the smallest amount of commitment to, can we get to know each other and not fuck around with other people? I think that the whole getting to know each other is part of the courtship. I think it's, maybe the title, it means different things to you and I. For you, it's more of an entry-level thing,

and for me, it's a mountain top, like we've gotten here, and now we're confirming what we're both feeling. Yeah, but I think nowadays, with hookup culture being what it is, everyone's just sleeping around, and the biggest reason why they don't wanna call each other boyfriend and girlfriend

is they don't wanna give up the freedom to fuck around with a bunch of people and it's really and that's why people quite honestly are struggling like to make these relationships everyone is out there like complaining about you know the other side so to speak and it's because like they're just so afraid of any type of commitment but while still expecting to like go around and get laid all the time and it it's just like, maybe we could just like, you can get to know, it's, I don't, like I think sex is a huge part of a relationship, don't get me wrong, but I'm just like,

you can get to know someone and build a connection and you can get to know your physical chemistry, you don't necessarily have to be getting laid. And to act like a victim, like Wes is acting like some sort of victim, is a bit kind of childish. I think the interim is the word he used, which is exclusive. I'm with you, Josh.

Calling somebody your girlfriend is a big step. Yeah. But saying that you're committed to trying to be with one person, I think is, I don't think you have to have sex yet. Do that part. Unless your trip is you're religious, or there's's like you guys are on the same page of like for me I want to be able to do everything but that until we get married or whatever and that's fine

I have two data said the quiet part out loud. They're like, hey, I really like you I've really enjoyed getting to know you but just you know until we're committed. I'm gonna keep fucking other people How would that go people aren't saying that they're just doing you know what I'm saying? Most people people. How would that go? People aren't saying that, they're just doing it. You know what I'm saying? Most people just don't talk about it. They just, well, until we're exclusive, you know what I mean, I've been hooking up with a couple other people. You know what I'm saying?

It's just like, and that's why people are starting to get to know each other, because they always have one foot out the door. And they're- Yeah, I think it's kind of romantic. I think it's interesting, right, in that, like, in people, when you're dating, you're kind of dating around,

and then you have a nice date with someone, and then it's followed by like a couple more dates, a hiking date, a whole foods date. Maybe you go to Felix, where we all went and had a wonderful meal with your lovely mother. God bless her. And I think it's interesting when someone starts to sort of move past the pack, right?

Like that's an interesting thing. So we didn't have to make an agreement. It just became so clear that our connection is trumping what's going on with these fly-by-night himbo's. You know what I mean? Sure. Himbo's. Himbo's.

Who knows? All right. Well, Ben, Josh, thank you for coming. Thank you. What a fun episode. You had a great time. Excellent. Why are we shaking?

Look, guys, any excuse for physical touch. Any excuse. What a fun episode. What a great time. Excellent. Why are we shaking? Hello guys. Yeah, we're good guys. Any excuse for physical touch. Any excuse. Plug your delicious show. Yeah, good guys. Listen to us on Apple, Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts. Watch us on YouTube, on Josh's YouTube.

It's just turned into good guys. Okay. Go to Josh, watch us, so you can see us touching and... Nick. We'll be recording an episode right after this? Yeah. When does that come out? When does this come out?

Yeah, when does this come out? Tomorrow. Oh, this one, this one will come out tomorrow. It'll come out Monday. Monday, Monday's good. Monday's great. Monday! Check us out on Monday on Good Guys.

Yeah, beautiful. Love you guys. Beautiful wedding. Oh, thanks. We should talk more about it. Yeah, thank you. Talk about our wedding. Now, do you want should talk more about it. Yeah, thank you. Talk about our wedding. Now you wanna start again? Yeah.

Okay. On Thursday, we have a great guest, the wonderful, iconic Joel McHale is with us for Going Deeper. Do not miss that episode. Josh. You a fan of Joel? Yeah, oh yeah.

Joel's a great guy. Talented guy. Very talented. Rich. Oh, sorry. Probably. Got him, got him. Yeah, he's gotta be.

Got him. So that's Thursday. Until then, sorry. Probably. Yeah, it's gotta be. So that's Thursday. Until then, bye.