The Viall Files - E748 RR - VPR Finale, Bieber Pregnancy, Concert Shaves, Pastor Crimes, The Valley and SH with Lily Rose

Episode Date: May 14, 2024

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap Edition! Today, we are joined by country music star Lily Rose to chat about all things reality television. First, we talk to Nick and Natalie about their trip to New York, who they’ve run into, and some bones they have to pick with the city. Then, we talk about The Biebers’ pregnancy announcement, how we prepared for concerts/falling in love with musicians, and get an update on a recent crime making headlines. Next, we break down this week’s episode of Vanderpump Rules and if we think it was a season or series finale. Then, we talk about The Valley and how Jax makes some members of the household sick to their stomachs. Finally, we discuss Summer House and what we think of Amanda and Kyle’s relationship dynamic.  “Hopefully he can change his entire personality in a day.”  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Manscaped - Get 20% off + free shipping with the code VIALL at https://www.manscaped.com  Nutrafol - Take the first step to visibly thicker, healthier hair. For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you go to https://www.Nutrafol.com and enter the promo code THEVIALLFILES. Vessi Footwear - Elevate your spontaneous activities with Vessi’s StormBurst/Weekend shoes together with our Westerly Coach Jacket. Discover more at https://www.vessi.com/VIALL Get your pair today to get an automatic 15% off your first purchase at checkout and be ready to stay cool and dry. Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @lilyrosemusic @nnataliejjoy @ciaracrobinson @alison.vandam @justinkaphillips @leahgsilberstein @dereklanerussell Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 08:56 - New York 22:37 - Biebers 31:29- Concert Dreams 37:51 - Best Reality 41:04 - Pastor’s Wife Case 47:09 - Track Suits 53:26 - Brady Roast and VPR 01:26:27 - The Valley 01:33:57 - Summer House 01:50:05 - Outro 

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before it's a gift for you before it's a gift for him. What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick, joined by the household that was waking up bright and early for us here at the Vile Files. We have Sierra, we have sweet, sweet boy Justin, we have Scooter, aka Leiaia waking up early in Los Angeles California and then Old Faithful is commonly known. Allison Martin aka Ali waking up in St. Paul Minnesota. How's everyone doing? It's a we have a New York state of mind. It's a New York week this week. My lovely wife, Natalie, who's also with us.

Hi, say hi. Hello. Say hi, everybody. Hello, everybody. We are in New York this week recording the Vile Files, bringing to you, we took the show on the road. I know we haven't really done live tours,

which many of you have been clamoring for for a long time, but this is like a mini version of it. Like we are on the road, like as far as you guys listening, still in the same spot. But we are here all week. Our special guest today, we are super excited to introduce her, the one, the only Lily Rose, country music star. Woo!

Lily Rose, not to be confused. Here we go. With Lily Rose Depp. It is confusing. Who played a musician on a show that did not do well. Yeah. Forgot about that. Unlike Lily Rose's career, that is doing quite well.

Is popping off. Yep, definitely. I have no association with Pirates of the Caribbean at all. Do you get a lot of Lily Rose Depp questions on the runway? Yeah, I've definitely gotten two or three interviewers that are like, so what's your favorite movie of your dad's? How do you answer that?

Can you just answer and then you're like... I honestly cannot tell you. It's like every single time I'm just like, are you kidding me? You're like, okay. My dad's on the radio. So my dad does have a little mini ounce of celebrity in the state of Georgia, like a little bit. So whenever they tee it up with the dad thing I'm like oh here we go

We're gonna talk about radio and all that and then it's like yeah, so like which pirates is your favorite? They're like how weird is amperd heard yeah Yeah, we're one or two hits away from beating her on the Google search Oh, yeah, well your EP came out May 10th. Yep. It's crushing. Thanks, man. We love it Yeah, I always get nailed every time Like you're Lily Rose. I'm Destroyed name sometimes. Hey I get in my head you ever getting your head about names. It's like don't fuck it up

Oh all the time and then always like yeah yeah it's a lot of good to see is really nice yeah I always just introduced my wife if I can't remember somebody's name like have you met Dara yeah and then that's a good trick and then I get get the name there well your new EP running out of time is out it's poppin we listened to it this morning thanks dude appreciate it yeah it's really really good thanks yeah it's a it's been nice to have some music out it's been a long long journey with no music for a little bit here. So. Is that a lot of pressure when you feel like you haven't put out music in a while? Yeah. You know, uh, back in 2020,

I had that song villain that kind of blew up on Tik Tok and there was a lot of pressure, right? The follow-up hit, you know, and uh, what was your inspiration for villain? Like that wasn't, was that you? Were you the villain? Oh yeah. I mean, uh, I was in a relationship that I thought ended pretty the villain? Oh yeah, I mean, I was in a relationship that I thought ended pretty amicably. Interesting.

And I was in a co-writing session with my homies, Kyle and Mackenzie, and we all had dealt with a breakup the same way that it was just kind of like, yo, I thought we were good. Nobody cheated on anybody, nobody did anything, and then she went around and just bad-mouthed me to everybody, so. So you were the Tom Schwartz.

I was, yeah. And she was the Joe. Yeah, yeah. Oh man. Yeah, kind of Tom was being like, hey man, I thought we were chill. He's like, I thought we were chill, bro. That whole interaction was unreal, unreal.

You guys should get Joe on here. That would be- I feel like she's talking enough on her Instagram live. I know. It's just nonstop, y'all. I'm a, Instagram live. I know. It's just non-stop, y'all.

I'm a, I'm definitely a little bit of a reality TV elitist snob. I think so. In terms of how people come on the show, I kinda judge Jo a little bit. Jo's a tryhard. Well, I just kept being like, why are we giving her,

why are they even giving her interviews? I was like, can we just not try to force this Jo thing? Yeah, her ITMs and then her then I saw she's at the reunion. We're really forcing this storyline. I just don't get it. She's trying so hard. But it also, she makes the good TV. I mean, the fight between her and Katie.

She is cringe. It is wild. We don't wanna get into it too quickly. Okay. We will be diving in. I can't wait. It was a hell of a finale. Oh my gosh.

It really was a hell of a finale. I want to just applaud season 11, Vanderpump, just in general. I think a lot of people thought season 10, obviously with Scandival, would be peak VPR. People questioned whether the show could sustain its success or its interest. I really quite enjoyed the season.

I thought it was good. I wish they would have laid off the like Sandoval Redemption arc a little bit. I thought they tried to force that a little too. Oh my God, tried. It was just unreal. It was unreal. We got the ending of Vanderpump was a public shaming

of Ariana in that montage. Right. This was the do your job Ariana montage. It was unbelievable. The way they edited the whole episode was very much in Tom's redemption arc favor. Yeah. I mean we'll get into it.

We'll get into all that, but it was a very fascinating, it was a very fascinating finale. Do you think they would have edited it differently, had our interview with him come out before they started editing? No, no I don't. Because also you have to keep in mind, even though yes, it was clear that the show hated Ariana,

and they were desperately trying to give Tom his redemption arc, they still played Ariana's POV and Katie's POV in the sense that they still aired out Ariana calling out the show. The show, they might have revealed themselves, but the show in a way almost didn't protect themselves. Because I guess what I'm saying is, it's so obvious I think to us

what the show was trying to do. And the show kinda did it anyways, kind of like outing themselves about how bad, they literally gave the rest of the cast the green light to break the fourth wall, and talk about the job of putting themselves out there. And so, it's all kinda fascinating. There's a lot to cover when it comes to the Vanderpump

recap, we will get into it so much more. But again, we have a great week lined up. We are in New York. So obviously we have Lily Rose with us breaking down all things. Bravo. You've been a big Vanderpump fan for a long time, have you not? Well, I actually had never seen it until the Scandinavian. You were like us. Yeah. And then I binge the entire thing.

So like from the beginning. Like, so now I'm deep in it. Deep in it. Like, yeah, you felt like the entire cast of Vanderp. So now I'm deep in it. Deep in it. Like yeah, you follow the entire cast of Vanderpump. I love that. It's dedication. I really respect that. On Thursday's episode of Going Deeper,

we have the iconic Laverne Cox with us in studio in New York. What a gem she is. Really? Yeah. It's so cool. I think she read Don't Text Your Ex Happy Birthday. I do too. I feel like everything she said, it was like, it was so cool. I think she read don't text your ex-happy birthday. I do too I feel like everything she said it was like it was Nick's words

She gave a lot of great relationship advice, but then she'd give it I've been like damn No, she's Laverne's obviously an icon. It was a great episode emotional episode. She was very giving She recently got out of a relationship is very vulnerable about that. We don't want to give too much away, but that is Thursday It's iconic. You will wanna listen to that. Speaking of New York, we love New York. I've got a couple bones to pick with New York. Bones to pick? A couple.

Well first let's give it a, do you like New York? Are you a New York fan? I have like a, I'm capping it at like three days. After three days I'm kinda over it. It's like you're Vegas? Yeah. Can you spend longer time in New York or Vegas? Well my wife is from Vegas, so I can do Vegas.

Like the back of my hand for sure. I love it. You don in New York or Vegas? Well, my wife is from Vegas, so I can do Vegas like the back of my hand for sure. I love it. You don't get sick of Vegas? No, but I'm rarely on the strip too. So like. Okay, you're like Vegas proper. She's at like a family home, like having home cooked dinners.

Yes. You've seen a grocery store in Vegas. I have. Yeah, I sure have. All right, I've only seen a PF Change. I love New York. I just feel like, you know, you see so many people. Yeah. Ce sure have. All right, I've only seen a P.F. Chang's. I love New York, I just feel like, you see so many people, celebs.

What's unreal? Yeah, well, on the first day, I got into town, we've been here for a few days now, so I got into town, I try to keep my New York schedule busy. I had a coffee meeting with an exec to try to smooth some more. Shaking hands, kissing babies? You know, relationship building, really.

And we went to this wonderful little coffee shop. It's Wednesday morning and in walks... Laura Linney. Laura Linney. That's so sick. And it was always like, the thing about New York is like, everyone just immersed themselves in New York. A lot of people, you know, we ride subways, you know, there's a lot of like Keanu Reeves has been sighted on subways.

The Jonas Brothers often ride the subways. So like people in New York just kind of immerse themselves in New York. of Keanu Reeves has been sighted on subways. The Jonas Brothers often ride the subways. So people in New York just kind of immerse themselves in New York and so Laura Linney, and she came in with a team. I first thought it was a team of people scouting the coffee shop who worked for the coffee shop and they were just taking pictures

to promote the coffee shop. And I was like, man, this person who works for this coffee shop looks a lot like Laura Linney. She was just in street gear and then I I'm just kind of obsessively looking. I could hear her talk in the background. I'm like, that person kind of sounds like Laura Linney. And then I like Googled Laura Linney just to get a side by side photo.

And then I saw someone from her team, like they're carrying a script of some kind. So, I'm like 99% sure it was Laura Linney. Yeah, I saw Sarah Paulson on the street when I was here really months ago love that Just walking around so I don't know if Laura seems to be booked and busy I don't know if she I don't know if she was acting directing producing maybe all the above I bet that at this point the curse She's doing it all yeah, but she's an iconic

actress We saw Bryan Carrison last night I saw the back of his. I locked eyes with him as I'm breastfeeding my baby in the restaurant and I was like. Amazing. We went to Emilio's, right? Emilio's? How was it? Turns out that, awesome.

So good. Our cousins recommended, apparently it's a staple. It's an iconic restaurant. We really quite loved it. And then, oh, ran into Matt James on the street. We were out to get a slice of pizza. Matt James was out there. You guys have seen everybody.

I know. Ran into a lot of people. Who else did I run into? Rainn Wilson, AKA Dwight Schrute from The Office. So. Amazing. Wait, I was gonna say that's not normal. You could just have seen like a bunch of A-list actors.

But that's New York for you. Everyone's just kind of immersing themselves. People in LA that's kind of like hide or hibernate and stick around. I bet Rainn Wilson's like, I saw Nick Vile. I don't. No, we were sitting right next to him and he did not flinch, absolutely not.

I wanted, and then he quickly got up. I wanted to be like, hey man, we've had Brian Baumgartner on the show, you should come on. But he left. He's a big podcast guy. He is. I don't know how much reality TV he watches. Maybe he'd be good for an Ask Nick.

I bet he'd give a good relationship advice. Speaking of Ask Nick, we have an amazing new Ask Nick episode out that dropped on Monday for all of you listening, if you were interested in listening to other people's relationship problem stories, escapades, and some sage advice. Check it out, it's available now when you get done listening to this episode. Now that we're done raving about New York, I do have some bones today. Yeah, they-ades and some sage advice. Check it out. It's available now when you get done listening to this episode.

Now that we're done raving about New York, I do have some bones. Okay, yeah. Dining here. They hate babies. If Nick would let me out of my handcuffs. I just, I don't. They do, they hate babies.

They do. Listen, every restaurant we have been to, maybe this is a personal choice because we've been into terrible restaurants, no one has a changing table. We've been to great restaurants. Amazing, they're so good, delicious, but they don't have a changing table. And so when I'm like, excuse me, where can I change my baby?

They're like, is this just like a restaurant? I'm like, it's for sure. Now, is it us? Because the first three months of her young life, we just stayed home. We reared. Three months of her life. We've been going. She turned three months on our wedding weekend.

Yeah, but up until our wedding weekend, like, you know, we've been like staying in, rearing our child, you know. Yeah, plenty of changing tables. Plenty of changing tables at our house, you know, making sure that she is getting her nutrients and being strong. We don't want to raise a bubble baby,

so like we've been out to a few restaurants in Los Angeles, but for the most part we stayed in. But ever since we got married a few weeks ago, this little baby has been traveling the world. And I've been enjoying it. It's fun to take your family out on the road. You really feel like there's a sense of, especially when your baby is young,

there's a sense of you're really on an adventure. Oh, I bet. Because no matter where you are, you have to take care of your child. Even like, it was yesterday morning, it was Mother's Day. I felt like the best thing I could do for Mother's Day. I could have bought something super expensive. I cannot wait to hear those. He could have.

I could have, I could have bought Nellie a bag or a necklace. I've done that before. But I thought for Mother's Day, what would be more meaningful than a David Yearman necklace? He did not get that. I did not get the David Yearman necklace. Cause I thought what could be more meaningful? He did not get me anything, but River got me some flowers.

Very sweet. No, what I got her some flowers. Oh, very sweet. So kind of her. Very sweet. No, what I got her is the gift of sleeping in. I took our young child and went on an adventure to find mom, and River was like, hey, can I get mom flowers? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, three month old little baby River was like,

can I get mom flowers? I was like, of course, let's go. And I was like, I'm gonna let mom sleep in. She was like, what are you getting mom? And you were like, sleep. Sleep. And she was like, really'm gonna let mom sleep in. She was like, what are you getting mom? And you were like, sleep. And she was like, really? That's so cute. And you were like, oh yeah.

So she asked for a David Urie necklace, and I was like, I can't afford that, we just had a wedding. Oh, for sure. Well, do you feel rested? And I mean, well, you know, I would say, I would say, well, listen, he did give me, he did allow me to sleep in that was very very generous I will say you don't have a lot of allow. I mean you can sleep in however you want for sure

I made it possible. Yeah, that's true. You took the baby out of the room, so I didn't what is sleeping in look like It's for a new mom 11. Oh shit, but I was up throughout every like couple hours. Yeah feeding her Yeah, so I guess accumulating It was probably like a typical look at that sleep, but I feel like you only get your first Mother's Day once It's awesome congrats. Thank you. Was it a good day though? It's the best see a lot of celebrities. She really wanted that necklace Yeah, it's never too late Nick It's so funny because we were in the store And I was like I actually wanted this last Mother's Day

and Nick was like, you're a mother to two dogs. Like, you're not gonna fucking have clothes. And I was like, no, for sure that makes sense. Well, you were pregnant. I was not pregnant, no. And, but I literally was like, this should be a Mother's Day gift because I'm a mother of a dog.

It wasn't even two at that point, it was just one. You were like, mm. And he said no. And then when we were in the store, we were in the store on Saturday, the day before Mother's Day, and I was trying it on, it was so beautiful, and he was like, you should spoil yourself.

And I was like, perfect. Yes. Dude, that's amazing. I have given Nali some really great bags, but listen, I respect the ass. Nali is a persistent queen. I respect the ass.. He is a Persistence like that. I'm I'm a I'm a persistent king I feel I'm worried for us because there are two very persistent people our daughter

when she Won't take no for an answer. I was gonna say she might get what she wants Yeah, you never know the answers no until you ask You got gotta double check. Are you sure? You have to. It's just like literally just not in the budget. Anyway, so I gave her sleep.

So I thought that was the second best option. You know, what can't money buy? Sleep. Sleep. Yeah. But that all being said, it's interesting because New York, I get it, listen, I understand.

You know, it's two people who like just three months ago had no care in the world and we Roam this earth like a couple of selfish assholes who is just like we can go we can do whatever the fuck we want We can go wherever we want nothing is stopping us 100% and now we have a baby and we're like we're still gonna try to do most things you go a lot slower with a kid I bet I was gonna ask is it like as just jarring not trying I quite love it again the idea of having our child and she is so well behaved and we're very lucky and it's a lot of eat, sleeping, and pooping.

And so all you kind of have to time, you just have to time the, you feed, then she sleeps, like we carry her around for, you have a few hours to like shop around, whatever. And it's like, it does feel like you're always protecting, you know, it's just like, it gives you that sense of purpose. It's really quite great.

Also like the gift of a child is like, you know, everyone in this like, it gives you that sense of purpose. It's really quite great. Also, like, the gift of a child is like, you know, everyone in this world, I'm sure you've gotten this. I don't know what your good habits and bad habits are, but I'm assuming at some point, either someone told you or you told yourself, hey, Lily, try to be more present, you know? Like, ah, you know, I don't know.

Maybe has that ever happened to you? Like me? I've never been present, ever. Like, not once in my life. Until I had a child. Like, now, when I, like, I've never been present, ever. Yeah. Not once in a lifetime. Yeah, no, I am. Not once in my life, until I had a child. Like now, before I had a child, I crossed the street, and it's like I'm never gonna die.

I barely even look. Before I had a child, I might almost die nine times at a day, I'm so absent-minded. I have probably walked into oncoming traffic with people honking at me and like crashing and me having no idea that's going on. And now that I have a child, I am directing traffic. Like, before Nellie crosses the street,

I go out on the side of the road, I'm putting my hands up as if it actually does something. I'm making sure that everyone knows that a baby is crossing. I'm always hyper aware of what my surroundings are, and I have, and it's because of my child. Yeah, you have purpose, no. Anyway, this is all to say, New York is suggesting, hey, have your baby, just don't bring it up.

Keep him at home. Keep him at home. Yeah, yeah. Keep him at home. Fuck those kids. Fuck those kids for sure. I'm not here to say the restaurants should have changing tables, I get it.

Listen, we're not asking them to like build out, it attaches to the wall, right? They already have a wall. And I feel like- It's like a requirement. If a tiny airplane bathroom can have one. Yeah, yeah. Do they have, yeah, how does she like travel on the plane? They do have one.

Yeah, they have one in every bathroom. They have one right above the bullet. Oh my gosh. And it's all, yeah, I'll go in and I'll change her diaper, and then as soon as I get done, she'll shit her pants. And so I'll walk out of the bathroom and then have to walk back in. It's always fun.

That happens usually. She good on the flights? She's very good. She's awesome. Yeah. Golly. That's the thing that, you know, we got married and then like, well, you have to come to this.

And then we didn't really know after that, but she, fuck, she's a pro. Dude. They always like, you're supposed to be like feeding, taking off and, cause the air pressure might affect her. It doesn't affect her at all. Now she's chilling pro. They always like, you're supposed to be like feeding, taking off, because the air pressure might affect her. It doesn't affect her at all. Nah, she's chilling. We're more sensitive.

Like, Nellie and I will be in an elevator in New York, and be like, oh my god, my ears are popping. And like, River's just like, oh, you guys are like, fucking wusses. So dramatic. Yeah, so dramatic, I don't know. I wonder if the sweet girl who approached us in Celine listens to this show.

If so, I would like to apologize on behalf of Why now he's exaggerating not at all so you know how? Team you know how Nick did agree to stop a certain something when our child came along and then he did not stop Well, I stopped for a month and then the addiction was so hard Saying that as if it's like oh congratulations. No like you had to continue And then the addiction was so hard. Okay, I was like, no, no. With Jules. He's saying that as if it's like, oh congratulations. No, like you had to continue. I'm like, look, I'm walking the streets of New York, you know.

It's like, I want to relax. Yeah. Yeah, stoned off his ass and we're in Celine. And this sweet girl comes up. She's like, oh my gosh, I thought that was y'all. Like, congratulations on everything. And I'm like, thank you so much. And Nick's like, congratulations to you too. And Nick's like, congratulations to you too.

And she's like, what? That is not how it went. She's like, what? And he like pointed at, do you have a, she's like, I've been married for like five years. That is not how it went. That's not. And he's like, oh.

And she pointed at her husband sitting, he's like, he's here. And then I was like, okay, thank you so much, it's so great to see you. And we walked out and I was like, Nick, you can never, can you speak again? She walked out being like, Nick, thank you so much, it's so great to see you. And we walked out and I was like, Nick, you can never fucking speak again. She walked out being like, Nick, my all is on something serious. Love, I was on love.

You're on love. I'm on love. Now, anytime you see someone with a wedding, but he's like, congratulations. Okay, I guess. It was brutal. We had a great group. We were driving to your guys' welcome party on the trolley, and I forget, I freaking love Chris, Nick's dad.

We're just like hamming it up on the trolley. And out of nowhere, he's talking to my sister and I, and he's like, well, you know who's the best, Nick? And I was like, who? And he goes, hi, Nick. And I was like, okay, all right. But Chris was full. He was like, that's the best Nick you I was like, who? And he goes, hi Nick. And I was like, okay, all right. Chris was full, he was like, that's the best Nick you'll ever meet. He's so happy, he's so chill. That's because I remember this vividly,

he was on the phone with his parents, and which is typically like, you know, your average chat with your parents, oh, things are good, whatever, all right. And he was so, he would not shut up. And his parents were like, what's going on? And he was like, sorry would not shut up. And his parents were like, what's going on? And he's like, sorry, I smoked some weed. They're like, you should do this more often.

I'm like, we love this, you're so talkative. It loosens me up, you know? I'm a cage tiger inside my head. Oh, flip it. Flip it off the cage. It's pretty rough. What's going on in the world household Oh, flip it. All right. Let it out the cage. Oh, yeah. For real. Pretty rough. Uh, what's going on in the world household

before we get into the show? Well, speaking of babies and pregnancy, Hailey Bieber is pregnant. Oh my God, yes, the Biebers are pregnant. They are with a child, we're so happy. Run the applause. I feel like that has been a rumor every month. It's like, oh, she's pregnant.

That's why she's walking with a big jacket, because she's pregnant. No, she just likes an oversized. I mean, they've been married for like six years now. That's wild. Yeah, it's been great. I'm so happy for them, truly. I mean, and just like, you know,

Justin, if you're listening, hi, first of all, hi. Big fan. Speaking of all that, Hi, first of all, hi. Big fan, big fan. Speaking of all that, again, that cardigan's from Levi. He complimented me on a cardigan once. Oh, he did. And his beard. And his beard.

Oh, good for you. Twice, yeah. He was very, now he was pregnant, so maybe that gave him some inspiration. Dude, hey, maybe. I don't know. I just wanna say, Justin, welcome to the Father Club. I just, I'm really happy for him.

I don't, and we now know know actually we don't know for sure, but we can now some eyes The life you make that keep going is that a word Ellie? I always like the word things In a word what's in yes futson not futson futson. What is that? That's what he always says if Rivers getting the little ant What is that? That's what he always says, if River's getting a little antsy. It's like messing around. She's just futzing around.

And her mom looked at me like I was insane. I was like, no, it's a bird. And then I Googled it and futzing, futzing is a word. I think you say weird. I don't know. Allie? Futzing, futzing around is a word. I think first and foremost,

I think Nick was trying to say surmise. Yes. Thank you. Surmise. Thank you. Yeah. Futzing, I would have to look up. That wasn't in the spelling bee. Futzing, to look up that wasn't in the spelling bee What are you talking about the Beavers yeah, I have the post his her dad saying pray

Oh, yeah, so like recently it was like, you know, mr Baldwin mr. Baldwin. I always know him from What's his what's Sean? What was Steve? What's his Stephen? Stephen Stephen Stephen Steve it's Stephen Stephen Baldwin. Yeah, Stephen. I remember have you seen biodome now? Is he in that yeah, he's a he him in Polly Shore. Oh, he just plays a stoner. And so, no, not me. Jesus, no. Relatable. Roll model.

Well, do you think that the prey thing that he said was because it's all making sense now? Right, the prey for them, and then Bieber, Justin, posting a crying, like, kind of out of context crying selfie and everyone's like, oh, what's wrong with Justin and Hailey? Maybe that's also why her sister pulled out a tampon. She was like, I'm not pregnant. She was so angry she wasn't pregnant

and she slapped the bartender with the tampon. Maybe she was, she's like, why not me? Through the tampon. But I'm so happy for them. You know, someone who's had the experience of being a dad, I'm excited for Justin. I think he's gonna be a great father. Yeah, I do too.

It brings so much joy to your life. And who knows, maybe someday our kids will meet at the playground. Absolutely. Yes, the local park. The local for sure. Like little Bieber will be like, are your parents famous too? And River will be like, no.

No, no. No. No. And then little Bieber will be like, oh. Little Bieber. Never mind. Never mind. Shoo shoo now.

Yeah. I'm really happy for that. I'm excited. It's going to be great. I can't wait to see Justin as a dad. I think he'd be a pretty good dad. What are the other qualms you have with New York? Or is it just the changing tables? I mean, the changing table is like the biggest one because I never obviously Haired looked noticed before yep No, I didn't even know there's one in the bathroom on the plane

So there's that but it it does just seem bizarre that and maybe we're just picking No kid restaurants, and maybe that's our fault, but I guess I think there's gonna be people being like yeah Keep your fucking kit at home We don't want your stroller next to our table like yeah, we're here to party Yeah, we also did go into a restaurant, and they are like you need to book this table for three Make sense because we have a stroller get it. He's like this is a massive stroller And it's like I don't know if you've seen shoulders You should see our noona ex Pippa. We're like.

Is it intimidating walking around the streets of New York with a stroller and a baby? Cause there's just so many people. No, this is what's intimidating. Let me just tell you this, Sierra. So Nick typically holds River, he's wearing her, right? In like the art of pop, got shout out, love it. And he's wearing her, so then I am forced

to push the stroller. Well, New York is not flat, I'll tell you that much. There's a lot of bumps in the road. So I am like constantly like, something and getting stopped, having to pick it up. And Nick is four blocks ahead with River. Directing traffic. For me, who's two blocks behind him stuck on a fucking rock. You know like when a like a Razor scooter, do you really ride one of those?

Oh yeah. It was that every five seconds. But people like when you have when I and it's a little cold so I have a blanket over River. So like you can assume I'm holding a baby, but it's kind of unclear, but when you see a stroller Yeah, you assume for sure baby, and then you just full of my bag It's full of the bag then you see Nally just kind of like cranking on this stroller And it's like wobbling all over the place and people are like who's this fucking chick like just like ganking Chill out with the fucking baby lady

No, it's just my bag I'm just yanking up, chill out with the fucking baby lady. Yeah. In fact, I think there's a baby in there. It is so funny. No, it's just my bag. It's just my bag. It's not that bad. And I love holding River on the... Yeah, I love, we got off the subway and obviously their stairs took him out of the subway and I was at the bottom,

cause all the way to the top and I was like, no, no, it's fine, I got it. God. I'm so focused on the baby to the top and I was like, no, no, it's fine, I got it. Please. I'm so focused on the baby, you know. I lost my wife. No, he was absent-minded for himself now, he's just absent-minded for me.

Oops. Happy Mother's Day. Happy Mother's Day. Happy Mother's Day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I have realized though, and again, I'm not here to force a baby on you. I don't know what your family planning plans are, you know?

But if you're out there, and if there are any men listening, or ladies who are trying to convince their guy to have a baby, benefits of being a dad, of there are many, but superficial ones. I have found that holding a baby for men, borderline, ick, repellent. You can kinda do anything you want. Like for men, borderline ick repellent. You can kinda do anything you want. Like for example, in a restaurant,

if I were to stand up in the middle of a restaurant, say three in the afternoon at like a brunch with music playing and I were to just stand up and start swaying my hips to the music, I would imagine that most people would find that to be repulsive. Like who's this fucking guy? Just like ew, ick, sit down please.

This definitely happened. But you know, but like with River, you know, she's, you know, you gotta move your hips, you gotta sway and that goes from ew, ick, to like oh my God, look at that man holding that baby and dancing and like I'm immediately a sexual icon. I have a wedding ring, I have a baby,

and I feel like I can do no wrong holding this baby. I can do an entire dance routine. And people are like, look at that guy just taking care of his baby. If I had no baby, they would be like, sir, can you please leave the restaurant? Like you can't dance in the middle of dinner. But with a baby, you can do whatever the fuck you want. And secretly I've thought of myself, I've kind of always wanted to dance like this, but it's charming. Yeah It turns out. What did you say that was oh? I was taking a picture of the one-world tower now. He's like you it's giving it gets giving tours It was just like we were in New York all the time. We love New York

We practice is like our second home for sure and so like we're like Nick stopping We're not allowed to take a photo of the One World Tower. Absolutely not. Here I was like America first you know. No it wasn't. No it's very patriotic for sure. I just feel like America could use some love these days you know. It was more so just like stopping the traffic, people are huffing and puffing and it's like.

Just put the American flag emoji on it too. Love your country. Like on top of the tower you know just like put the American flag emoji on it too. Just love your country. Like on top of the tower, you know, just like it's a flag. Oh my god. No, I said absolutely not. No. Ugh. Anyways, men, ick repellent for a baby.

And Justin, I feel like Justin Bieber's generally not, he doesn't really give off icks. Well, no, well, well, him not really dressing up for Haley's event was kind of an issue. Yeah, his style choices and sometimes. But he is a superstar, pop star, rock star who like. Can do whatever he wants. Can literally do whatever he wants. Mostly, yeah, being a rock star really

is a pretty good ick repellent as well. I'm not a rock star so I need a child. Yep. Didn't you watch that? My human shield child ick repellent. The Idea View with Anne Hathaway, and did anyone watch that? My human shield child, Iqrappelent. The idea of you with Anne Hathaway. And did anyone watch that? Harry Styles?

What is with your face, Ali? You okay? Jesus Christ. And like, this is the thing. It's like, I love bad movies. Like I- Oh my God. Like I'm like, give me a bad book. Like give me a bad movie.

Guess we're not getting them on as guests. Supplement my life and the lack thereof is like of physical intimacy with what I see on the screen. This shit was bad. There was no chemistry. It was awful. Oh my God. Who else was in it?

No. Ann Hathaway? Yeah. I saw the review. Just Ann Hathaway. I don't know. She played all the roles. Yeah. I don't know the name of the like. The up and coming superstar, superstar young man good-looking

Scazzle teen Was the name oval teen Nicholas oval team I want to get him on the show, but that's not happening anymore The top review on it was like this is why I shaved my see when I was 13 going to why I shaved my pussy when I was 13 going to the Hairstyle's concert or One Direction concert. And Natalie was like, I used to do that shit. I'm like, oh my god. No context because I've not heard of this movie. So this is incredible. Okay. But did you ever like go to any concert and you're like, you know what? And it was like, it's never going to fucking happen. Like why would you do that? So bizarre.

Why would you do that? Like sitting in the nose, Ciara, you? It's the, yeah, they're gonna see me make eye contact, realize they can't live without me, and now I'm the wife. Ask me to come backstage. You just wanna make sure you're groomed. You guys are joking about it, but people legitimately. Inappropriate.

They legitimately think that. No, I know. I definitely thought it as a teen. I definitely thought it. I went to a John Mayer concert once, and I was like, he is going to fall in love with me. Yeah. I mean, if now I'm married with a baby

and you are going on tour with him this summer, Luke Bryan was like my- That was your guy. Oh my God. I was like full, I had this plan, bless her heart. Poor Caroline, his wife, was like somehow not gonna make it and I would be his nanny and I would like it was it's You had the whole thing played out. It's like written out in like a diary somewhere

My mom was like I'm gonna read this at your wedding She's like and then I shave No, I went to a lebron concert with my dad and my stepmom and like two friends and we sat in the tallest of nosebleeds And I did in fact prepare myself and one of the lights shined on me. And I was like, that's him, he's doing that. He's doing that, he wants me. He asked him to put the light on me.

My gosh. That's fucking crazy. That man is wild. That man is never going to a concert, yeah, ever. Ever. I'm glad to know I'm not alone on this here. Thank you very much. Allie, did you?

I mean, yeah. And I, well, I went to a concert more recently and I did end up backstage and I didn't shave. So I'm wondering if maybe there's something like flipped. Oh, that's the trick of how to get backstage guys. When it happens. Throw away all your razors, you will get backstage. Justin, how about you? Have you ever trimmed those balls before a concert? Mm-hmm

You bought bleachers tickets That's true. Wait, did anybody bleach? No, no, no each like you just wanted it to be like I waxed or anything like I used to bleach and one time I was bleaching in between here And I accidentally bleached half my eyebrow When you ever say because I never went live you know you say in between here you need to be more between my eyebrows She's like right in between me, I'm like, oh my God. That's gross. You're a nasty man.

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I feel like- Oh, Vanderpump. I mean, Vanderpump. Do you guys think it's done? Like done done? No, I don't. Did y'all see that Miss Arianomatics took out pump rules from her bio?

I did see that. What do you think that means? Okay, I did do more research and everybody but Sandoval has it removed from their bio. I did see that. What do you think that means? Okay, I did do more research and everybody but Sandoval has it removed from their bio. So that could be like a cast like off season thing. Wait, did they remove it? Guys, guys. He's like the people on The Bachelor

who went home night one, but they're like, bachelor season at 18, Rose. Wait, but Justin, did they remove it or they just never had it there? Unclear, but as of now, only Sandoval has it. So that could just be like an off season thing. My theory is that either she's not coming back and she's gonna announce it on the reunion Unclear, but as of now, Omelings Hannibal has it. So that could just be like an off-season thing. My theory is that either she's not coming back

and she's gonna announce it on the reunion, or she just ran out of space and had to add Love Island. I think it's theory number two. I think it's kind of cringe when you have a resume in your bio of like a bunch of stuff. I think, you know, I updated it to like wife of Natalie, father of River, host of Vilephiles, but like other than my work resume,

it's just like host of Vilephiles. Before that I didn't have anything on other than Harry Styles fan account. I did take that off. That got old. You did have taller in person as well. I think I did. I take that off. That's funny. I don't know Did I still have taller in person? I think I took that off. I think you took that off Because why do people need to know that? Yeah, I don't know. You are you walked in the room and I was like he's taller in person

Yeah, no, that was my first impression of you as well when I first met you I'm just saying I got that a lot. Same. First impression of you as well when I first met you. I'm just saying I got that a lot. Same. And I was just like, apparently the internet thinks I'm short. So I need to let them know. You're giving short king.

Clearly in insecurity. I like a short king. It's like entrepreneur, husband to Natalie Joy, father to River Rose, post to Vile Files, buy book here, vilefiles.com. How did you fit that much? I think that's standard. Yeah, it's kind of resume.

Okay, yeah. It's standard. But we need entrepreneur. No, I think that's standard. Yeah, it's kind of resume. Okay, yeah. It's standard. But we need entrepreneur. No, I think that's a default. No, I think it's like the kind of account you have. Yeah, it's like, I don't know. You can hide that. All right, so you're out of a job, okay.

Not working. Wait, so does all of them not having pump rules in their bio suggest that maybe it is ending? That could be a theory. I know, it's not ending and I don't think it's ending Did the finale not give series finale versus season finale to you guys with the ending montage? I thought it did Yeah, maybe with that they haven't done a montage before not yeah, that was not like that That was a whole like show recap montage usually when they do that they do it because like somebody's leaving or something

It's like bye Stassi forever or whatever and then she still came back. So I'm like. Listen, anything's possible. I guess, my guess is as we sit here today, my guess is nothing's been decided. You know what I'm saying? I'm guessing they don't know.

And they have put it on pause. It sounds like they're not filming this summer like they normally do. And it's partly, to me, it says that A, Ariana hasn't quit, and B, the show's not done. You know, anything's possible. You know, Ariana can continue to, her star can continue to rise.

Not to kill everyone's mood, but did anyone hear about the biopsy? Ooh, nice segue. Yeah, before we get into the bios and Vanderpump, you know, let's table this, let's go back, we're bouncing all over the place, but let's go to pastors allegedly not killing their wives. Oh, he killed her for sure.

He's giving guilt to you. Are you familiar with the story? Oh yeah. So, wife is dead. Pastor goes to work the next day giving a sermon. Not mine, now I still hear. Oh, not your wife, Micah. Pulse check.

Micah Miller is found deceased. Her husband is a pastor, went the next day after her death to give a sermon and was very, was just talking about her the entire time and then reveals to his, what is it? Congregation. Congregation. Reveals to the congregation that his wife is dead. It was very cringe.

So then everybody got suspicious about him, already accused him of murdering her. He's saying no. And now emails have come out of him harassing her. They found a letter that she wrote saying that she's been abused since the day they got married. So a lot of loose ends are starting to unravel. He's on dates, like hibachi and stuff, like two or three days after she died.

He has a mistress. Really? Well, the first time I heard about the story, there was a report that said that her sister said, if I end up dead, he did it. And then it was like, he must have done it. But then like it literally a day later, the police released a 911 call. It's very sad trigger warning for anyone listening. And it's her calling 911 and she's like, do you have my GPS location?

I want to make sure my family finds me. I'm going to kill myself. And so she admits to wanting to kill herself and I'm assuming the police were via. Where'd they find her? In a park. I mean that's where she was when she made the call so I don't know if that's where they found her.

And I'm assuming the police released that because of all the speculation around him. But to Sierra's point, then another, after that a video came out about him harassing her, threatening to Sierra's point, then another, after that a video came out about him harassing her, threatening to release some sort of what seemed to be adult content video of her. What I read was that he allegedly posted on Facebook topless photo of her for like an hour.

They have an email of him admitting to it saying, I'm so sorry, I hurt people. When I get hurt, I hurt people. If you come back, I'll give you an SUV, which was interesting. So, I mean, there's a lot of abuse and a lot of kind of confusing, conflicting ideas as to what happened.

Like, was it set up? He was claiming that she was trying to go to a gun store, that he was trying to prevent her from doing that, but then he's also threatening her, and she's claiming abuse since the day they got married. So I don't, it's kind of- I'm always, we don't talk a lot about religion on this show because we're a pop culture and we can't keep it light.

And as somebody who grew up very Catholic, you know- Same. I love religion, I love your religion, whatever your religion is, I respect your religion. But you know, religion is, I respect your religion. But you know, religion is a tool. It's the most powerful tool out there. It's a vehicle for people to come closer

to whoever their God is. And like unfortunately, every tool that ever was created by man, because religion is a man-made tool, that might even ruffle some feathers, but I'm pretty sure it is based off of like your religion or you know Anyway, but all tools are abused and used in a bad way, you know and religion like the thing about religion It brings you two things hope and salvation and that's two things Everyone needs in this world and and it can so easily be weaponized for evil and I see it too often

Which is all to say that like any pastor who was wearing true religion jeans I immediately suspect is like up to no good, you know, like if you shop If you were designer jeans and you're a pastor. Yeah, I think there's like a hole There's a whole account called like pastor shoes or something like that. It's like donks Yeah, and it's like all of the like limited edition, like Nikes and stuff. If you're wearing Air Force ones and you're a pastor, I don't trust you. Yeah, it's similar to your tracksuit theory.

Yeah, if you're wearing a tracksuit. Like in life or at a church. If you're white and you wear a full tracksuit, you're part of organized crime. Yeah, I agree. Or you're Jane Lynch on Glee. So true. One or the other. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, that's your or your Jane Lynch ugly What are the other yeah, it's one of the other

But I don't know what to make of the story because there is that I don't know not your neck of the woods it is Y'all oh is it yeah, do y'all know where it is SC so I'm assuming South Carolina. Yeah I mean it seems a very sad story I mean, that's why I didn't hear the 9-1-1 call but I know the family was coming out saying that she wouldn't do this and that's why they were raising suspicions so now there's a Movement going on with the hashtags justice for Micah. So I think unfortunately, you know unalive themselves, it's a very sad and tragic thing, and I think a lot of families struggle with the reality that the person they love is possible

and capable of taking their own life. So, you know, it sounds like there was a lot of abuse in this relationship, and who knows, maybe she did in fact unalive herself. Nevertheless, it sounds like there's still some investigating that needs to go on. I just don't get the whole setting it up like it's a punchline at his sermon the next day.

Right. You know, that was the weirdest thing. He seemed like he was gonna use his wife's death to monetize his fucking business. So bizarre. Also showing up to work the day after your wife is deceased, like no, stay home. Already suspicious.

You know? Let alone going up there and like doing a whole production about it. Take a personal day, man. Yeah, right? If ever. Go tend to your kids. If ever there was a time.

Speaking of track suits, PK is no longer dating Dorit. Who is it? Married, Dorit. Who is it? Married, Dorit. Married. Well, maybe they are dating now. Well, they're still technically married. And they did go to dinner. So basically-

All Dorit, to secure her spot back on Beverly Hills, a housewife's Dorit was like, I'm gonna be single. Single Dorit sounds like a more entertaining version of Dorit, I'll be honest with you. Absolutely. Yeah, I'm into it. I feel like we saw this coming from a while away. Yeah.

I'm kind of hoping that we get a little bit more of the leather jacket, cigarette smoking Dorit from the photos. Yes. I want, I don't give a fuck Dorit. I don't want like, I don't want, oh, let's wear expensive pajamas on a plane Dorit. I want to like.

Did he just say he wants to fuck Dorit? Oh, no. What? Do we think Mauricio wants to fuck? I don't give a fuck once again? I don't give a fuck. I don't get I want I don't Wait, but do we do we think I want I don't give a fuck Dorit But speaking of fucking Dorit do we think that there's something between her and Mauricio, maybe? Well, okay. So people have rumored this, that they thought Kyle and Mauricio, PK and Dorit have a swapping

situation. So now that Mauricio and Kyle are split, and PK and Dorit are separated right now, they want the, what is it? They said Scandamo. So they want the Scandival version of Mauricio with Dorit. See, that's just fan fiction trying too hard. Again, I think that back goes into reality TV conspiracy theories.

I just don't think it's. And it's also like, is it that heavy when Kyle's been the one that's had the speculation? You know, it's, Ariana didn't have speculation on top of the Rachel. I say what I don't need is another season of Mo and Kyle not talking about their The shit they're doing I don't need

Speculation about it like a swinger party that they never actually acknowledged for an entire season Well, I heard that is it is she coming back because I heard that was like unless she airs it all out Yeah, that's what we heard. I think she's back. Kyle's back. So they just, they've been seen filming around Beverly Hills recently and Sun did her Surrealism party for this year and everybody was seen there. So like last season's cast minus Anne-Marie and Crystal were there plus Kathy Hilton, Jennifer Tilly and then Bozema St. John. But do we think they all could have just been at this party or are they officially part of the cast?

Well, so they were filming. Unclarified. I do respect the way Doree announced her separation though because she posted on Instagram saying, "'To safeguard our deep friendship "'and maintain a harmonious environment for our children, "'we have made the mutual and difficult decision "'to take some time apart

"'and reevaluate our relationship "'while we prioritize our children.'" So I thought that was a much better way as opposed to like Marisa and Kyle talking things out. But then they were spotted at dinner together after announcing the separation. Yeah, so that's just like- PK and Dorit.

Yeah. We had to talk about how it affected social media. I thought you said they went to Taco Bell. I thought you said Taco Bell. I did too, yeah. I was like, all right, there we go, Dorit. Damn straight. That's not giving $3,000 pajamas, Taco Bell.

That's what we wanna see. She's listening to this podcast. Yeah. $20,000 pajamas So we want to see podcast yeah See single Dorita and housewives They need they need more dating like Sutton needs to date more like all this all single housewives need to do more dating Yeah, I thought that that's what VPR was missing like why did we not get into like Katie like Katie fucking max? They didn't show us what you know I didn't show us her fucking max. I know we wanted a more They showed us Tory and Katie and Schwartz both dating the same woman. I know yeah, but that wasn't really she was random

I want to see like a satchel Dating escapades I want to see a real attempt at dating. I mean it makes it tough. Yeah, so it's safe. I mean, I think I feel like that's why it was so awkward. Like it felt so performative with Sutton when she was going on these dates and like the men felt there is because they got a camera on their face. They were like casted to be her date. I think everybody's single and Beverly is housewives now. I was also like I don't think it really benefits Sutton to be in a relationship.

Like I feel like she's just kind of doing it for a storyline, but I'm like, she's getting paid what, 300K a month? Like until she gets remarried. So she's not getting remarried anytime soon. Hell no. Fuck no. What is this Travis Kelce, Jenna Kramer stuff?

Is this giving Sheena? Jenna Kramer was from One Tree Hill. She basically commented a couple weeks ago saying that she's like worried for Taylor because she feels like any time she's around Travis or any time she's like known or seen him on videos, in your vicinity to Travis that he's like intoxicated and he's drunk all the time.

And she thinks like, oh, Taylor's drinking is gonna increase and that's very concerning. And Travis's rep has come out and said they've never met. So how often is Janet Kramer with Travis Kelsey? This kind of brings it up to recent conversations. But isn't it just kind of like a kind of an ick for people to like, it's like it's giving Sheena the name drop. I knew this person nine years ago.

I'm going to say I'm worried for Taylor. Like how well does Jana Kramer know Taylor? Right. It's like name dropping, you know, people you knew from years ago. Well, this is like- You know, already saw them at a bar. This keeps happening though.

Like some people keep coming out like saying stuff about Taylor Swift too. And then it's just like, who are you? And why are you shitting on Taylor Swift out of nowhere? Also, Travis Kelce is like world renowned athlete. He's not drunk all the time. People love him. It's like quite impossible to do both.

That whole Super Bowl thing? Yeah, but like, but that clearly is Janna being like, trying to suggest she knew Travis. She's like, well, every time that I've been with Travis, every time, it's multiple, there's a lot of times that I've been with Travis, every time, it's multiple, there's a lot of times that I've been with Travis, Travis Kelsey, I don't know if you caught that, Travis, he is currently dating Taylor Swift.

All the times that I've been with him. It was not on my bingo card, all of their names being. Yeah. I just love you. It's giving Sheena. Yeah, it's looking for relevancy is what it says to me, trying to get a headline with Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey in there. Cause I didn't know who she was beforehand.

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Toast master, roast master, Jeff Ross, iconic comedian. He did the Robert, he. He did the Robert Kraft joke, which Tom Brady kinda stood up and was like, hey, don't ever fucking say that, right? And then there was a lot of people, we even asked Joel McHale, who was here for Going Deep, if you haven't listened to that episode,

be sure to check that out, it's a great episode. And he, Joel, was just like, nah, I think that was part of a bit, they were just fuckin' around. And then recently, the comedian Andrew Schultz, am I saying that correctly? Yeah, Andrew Schultz. He's got a podcast, he's got a show, and he was one of the Roasters,

and he said, he gave a little BTS behind the scenes about how before the roast, Tom was like, hey man, no Robert Kraft jokes. Now, for those of you who aren't familiar, Robert Kraft is the owner of the New England Patriots and therefore was essentially like Tom Brady's boss for many years. He's the one who writes his check and things like that.

You know, for those of you who don't know sports, the follow of the New England closely, Robert Kraft did not resign Tom Brady. They let Tom Brady go to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and leave the franchise and he wins somewhere else. And Robert Kraft, the owner of New England Patriots, if he wanted to, he could have stopped that. He just wanted an excuse to go to Tampa more.

Maybe so. Maybe Robert Kraft wanted an excuse to go to Tampa. So Tom Brady goes to Tampa. But this is all to say, the loyalty. That's loyalty. And I think a lot of this episode about Vanderpump, not to segue in, is about how do you define loyalty? There's a lot of conversations, loyalty to the show,

loyalty to the job, Tom Sandoval thinks Ariana's not being loyal. On the flip side, you have Katie and Ariana have a very different point of view of loyalty. But loyalty, I always say this, everyone likes to claim they're loyal. No one ever says, I'm not loyal. Yeah, no way. No one's ever like I'm not loyal. Yeah, no way.

No one's ever like, eh, loyalty. Not really my thing. Not my thing. Everyone says they're loyal, but few people are. And I guess it's subjective. I guess it depends on what loyal means to you. I think when most people say loyalty, they mean to themselves.

And they're expecting loyalty from others. And then some people give loyalty like a bad name I think Sheena recently even on her podcast was talking about how like people who show loyalty or someone one of someone on her show I don't know or saying how people who show loyalty is like a red flag Which I don't really know what they meant by that but and someone who's very loyal. I respect sound Brady You know like this guy all these years tell all the jokes you want about me, but don't tell jokes about Robert Kraft. I mean, there's something about being a friend.

Yeah. And when it comes to loyalty, like, you sometimes, like, being loyal doesn't mean you're always, like, just standing up for what is right. It's like you're standing up for your friends, you know? There is that, too. Like, I think Tom Schwartz is a very loyal friend. I don't always agree with why he is,

let's see here, give me a look. What would that look for? I disagree. I was gonna say Team Katie, so that's why it's funny you went with Schwartz. I am Team Katie, but I'm just saying Tom Schwartz is loyal to Tom Sandoval. Not loyal so much to Katie.

But he was very loyal to, like you can debate whether he should be loyal, but his loyalty to Tom Sandoval is there. He will stand by that guy's side, he won't alienate him, and that is loyalty. You can question whether he should or shouldn't be loyal, but that is true loyalty. You know, you actually have to be like, no.

It's gentrification. I don't know what, you know, Tom Schwartz has claimed to have had these like heart to hearts with Sandoval behind closed doors and you know, take him at his word, but like being loyal could be like having the tough conversations with the friend and still like not alienating them, you know.

I don't know, this whole episode has me rethinking everything about the show, who's being real, who's being authentic, because I feel like when they broke the fourth wall at the end, it was kind of like, oh, we're all doing this for a show. And Tom Sandoval says, oh, well, that made me look good. Everything, it feels like it was for the show. And they're getting so upset with Ariana

for just being authentic and living her authentic life. And so I'm like. That's what's so crazy about this episode is I kinda see all angles. I think Andy Cohen said it on his show. He said it made a great finale because in some ways everyone was kind of right. I see everyone's side.

Yeah. I really do. I kinda see where everyone's coming from. I don't agree with everyone. In this situation, if I'm Ariana, I would have done exactly what Ariana did. Yeah, totally. Yeah, I mean, also her boyfriend.

Can we talk about, what do you guys think? Well, what do you guys think about him? He seems fine. Dan? I was curious to know if he would shake Tom Sandwell's hand when he came up to him, and he didn't, and I was like, okay. He was definitely given instructions

to not shake his hand. Yeah, oh for sure. I think you're right though. I do think there was a little bit of a put on from everyone and when they broke that fourth wall, even Katie wasn't really bent out of shape of how that all had gone down and I was waiting for her to just sit there and be like,

but she was just collecting her shit, got up. So I was like, I think this is all a put on. Well, to Leia's point, it's very fascinating because a lot of the conversations about the show is about authenticity and loyalty. But what's fascinating is that Lala and Tom and Sheena, they think they're, it's like they don't see it in a way. It's like they're so, which has always been

my deep fascination for the show ever since I got into it, is what fascinates me about Vanderpump, and I've talked about this before, especially after meeting so much of the cast, is how they are their characters. You know, they live and breathe this Vanderpump universe. Like part of who they are is what they do. And so while I don't necessarily agree with it,

it seems so clear that that's how they see the world. It's certainly Tom Sandoval. But on the flip side, and so they, it's like you get them in the room and they're like arguing that Ariana's being inauthentic, but all Ariana is doing is actually the most authentic self, which is to not be performative, to not do a scene simply because her job requires of it.

Just because of all her castmates are all like, this is what we do, we've always done this. Yeah, right. It was like the montage that they did at the end of the episode was a public shaming of Ariana. It was the show like shaming Ariana and being like, you're not doing, do your job. Do your job better.

It was the Bill Belichick of like, to your job, this is everyone's job and every other season, everyone's done their job and they've talked about the thing they don't wanna talk about and you're not doing your job. And that might be true, but Ariana was being the most authentic person being like, I don't wanna do it. Yeah. Fuck this.

Like I hate that guy. Yeah, I agree and I really liked what she said on the after show where she was like, if you don't think I'm being a good reality star, like I literally won reality star of the year. And I think it's like, this is who Ariana is. She won a award. Yeah, I was like, I don't know about that.

Who gave us that award? I mean, she brought the drama out. Who gives that award out? It was like, sure. Nonetheless, this is who her authentic, this is what she would do in real life. If this happened to her in real life, and this is her real life reaction.

And so just because Lala would have had a different reaction to what happened to her, and Brittany had a different reaction of what happened to her, and Katie had her own reaction. And so just because Lala would have had a different reaction to what happened to her, and Brittany had a different reaction of what happened to her, and Katie had her own reaction. Everybody's different and everybody can react the way that they authentically would react. And that's all Ariana's doing,

but Lala and everyone else, they're just pissed at how she's reacting, but this is her authentic reaction. Lala did have a point though, kind of. Or maybe I kind of believe Lala in the fact that she said, it's suspicious that Ariana got with this boyfriend like right after, and that they've seen him out of, I think like even Kristen said on her podcast

that they saw, what's Ariana's boyfriend? Ariana and the boyfriend at an event pre them being together. So it's like Lala was implying that that was also not performing, or she was performing pre-season. That might be true. And listen, there are a lot of elements

that Lala pointed out at the finale. If you wanted to not believe Ariana, if you wanted to suspect that Ariana is not being your authentic self. What are we suspecting here, that she knew Dan was? Just in general. I think right now I'm just more generalizing that maybe.

I think if you now I'm just more generalizing that like maybe, like I think for, if you're an Ariana critic, if you're like, if you're subscribing to the Lala mindset, you're starting to suggest that she is milking this. That she is not getting it over to milk with all this attention and she is leaning into the, like I think those are the critics. And listen, if you wanna subscribe to that mindset,

like Ariana has the whole living situation, like it leaves room for people to be like, well I don't know, that's kinda, you know. The thing, even last week, last week I even said I'm going deeper, that like it seems like Ariana's not over it yet, and that just as like a human being, I'd love to see Ariana eventually move on.

Even that triggered people, there's a lot of people out there who'd be like, fuck that, you don't know what it's like to have been like, I'm like, actually I do. I actually do know what it's like to go through what Ariana's going through, and not that it's to sit there and compare. I'm just saying, and I thought about this

after getting the criticism of me suggesting, I hope for Ariana why that might trigger people. Because it is true, like I do want, I hope that she gets over it. Like listen, when you hold on to anger and resentment, it takes way more energy, there's like stats out there. It's just like, it brings you down. Like it brings you down to hold on to anger and resentment.

It really does, like you're, it makes your life worse. It just objectively, you can say what you want or anger brings me power, but it doesn't. It invites toxic things into your life worse. It just objectively, you can say what you want, or anger brings me power, but it doesn't. It invites toxic things into your life. When you. I think that's what Lala's been like preaching. That's why Lala kind of went in there. Yeah, there is an argument.

There is an argument that Lala is making a point there. But I will say, I wanted to finish this point, though I thought about this. Because if I'm Ariana, I would do exactly what she's done. There is nothing, few things more irritating in this world than other people telling you to get over something. Yeah, I agree. When other people are just like, you should get over this.

Especially things that have been traumatic for you and are incredibly triggering for you, like an axe breaking up with you, even if it's just a breakup, hello, not cheating. And you have your other people in your circle telling you that you're supposed to get over something. If that were me, I'd lose my fucking mind.

In fact, I've been that person and I have lost my fucking mind. So like, I completely get where Ariana's coming from because like, this entire season, she has been having her castmates ramming down this idea down her throat about how it's time to get over it, it's time to get over it, it's time to move on.

And they may or may not be right at times, but until they just shut the fuck up and let Ariana get over it on her own terms, if I were Ariana, I would act exactly the way she's acting. Yeah, she's just, I mean, she's gotta get over it, for sure. It's just to the point now where it's getting cringe when she's getting angry and upset and. There was that part where she yelled at Tom Swartz

because like. But it's funny too, it's like. Well Tom's like. It's crazy. He did a terrible thing and Ari, a terrible thing, a terrible thing. It's just like, Ari calm down Ari. Yeah, it's. It's like okay, Jesus Christ.

But at the same time, if I'm Ariana, I completely empathize with how Ariana is acting. Yeah, I mean, because he's also apologized to everybody who heard that. But sure, but then when you see them breaking the fourth wall down, you get why Ariana is having none of it. Yeah.

You know, and I understand from a TV show standpoint, like what you got to see, right, like as a viewer, this is how this shit works. Vanderpump, I do think is one of the most authentic reality TV shows out there. I really believe that, I really think their scenes are incredibly authentic, but like it is a show, and it is produced, and there is a production,

and not all these conversations happen, quote unquotequote organically Yeah, no, so when you saw like Sheena coming up to Ariana and even Katie there there. They're all aware of conversations They know that need or have to happen when Joe's sitting there in a room like leaving her door cracked open She's like oh the doors open like she knew Swartz was fucking walking in totally they were setting up a scene And so you you saw all these attempts of all these people trying to set up a scene for Ariana that she didn't agree to. Do you think she had a contingency

of I'll come back and film, but I'm not doing, do not try to set up a scene of me and Sandoval talking? Oh, I don't think, no, I think they all had these conversations behind Ariana's back about how to get her to do the scene. Yeah, because you saw the second that he walked over. She was like, she was like, no, she was like,

I know exactly what you guys are doing, fuck this. And her telling the producer like, this is 30 seconds he wants with the audience, not with me. Yeah, it was for his redemption arc. She's so right. Yeah, she was like, you're just trying to push this redemption arc, this Tom redemption arc,

and I'm not gonna participate in that. And I think she has every right to do that. If he wanted to apologize, not for the audience, yeah, writing a note and leaving it on the counter for Ariana to read at her leisure, like she said, would have been a believable way to do it. And I mean, Tom said on Watch What Happens Live that he did try to have conversations with her,

but like, I don't know. If I'm choosing to believe Arianna or Talia, but also like she won't speak to him. So like, do you think she's? That's why the letter on the counter is like, yeah, she won't speak to you. But that's what I'm saying, like it's very easy for Tom Schwartz to say that.

Like, well I tried, like did you? Did you really try? Yeah, no. I don't believe him. We had literally Tom Sandoval on this show after they filmed this, long after they filmed, months, months after they filmed this finale. They wrapped filming, what, in August?

Or like sometime late summer? Maybe even September? I don't know. We had Tom on in January, several months after filming this. And like, obviously it was an iconic interview, which to sum up was Tom doesn't get it. Tom's not actually that sorry. Tom is sorry he got caught,

Tom is sorry he's gotten criticism, Tom is sorry that this has affected his life. He's definitely sorry people got hurt, but he clearly can't and hasn't articulated why he is, that he is sorry and understands the decisions. Like, imagine if Tom, on the season finale, went and had this conversation with Ariana that he so desperately wanted,

and then said to Ariana, I'm sorry for cheating on you that way. Like you did on our show. You know, like imagine, and he said that in January on this show that he would never cheat that way again So like it's clear despite the redemption arc that the show wanted and like clearly the show like decided to hate on Ariana This season like he clearly hasn't learned so like everything that Ariana is saying we have the evidence to support like

And if Tom living with her, you know, he could have read a letter if like, no, I'm so sorry, I've done the work, I really needed to understand, he could, off camera, insist, persist, but instead, no, that scene where Sheena goes to Tom and it's just Tom and Sheena, and Sheena is explaining to Tom of why Arianna's so upset because Tom weaponized her mental health. Like, that was a scene that they did to set up the conversation they were gonna try to have at the finale.

Like, that wasn't an authentic conversation. That was just like a setup, you know? Which you have to do sometimes. It doesn't make the show inauthentic. It maybe makes those moments inauthentic. But someone who's done this for 10 years, Ariana, like she sees through this bullshit and this is her personal life. It maybe makes those moments inauthentic, but someone who's done this for 10 years, Ariana, she sees through this bullshit,

and this is her personal life. And she didn't choose, she did not sign up for Tom and Rachel to do this behind her back on camera. So it's kind of fascinating. That's what's confusing too, is that it's like everyone's upset with Ariana for the one thing she won't do, and it's just like filming with her ex who cheated on her and you know, we can say it's not humiliation,

but it is like on a worldwide level. So I'm just kind of like, she's showing up. It'd be one thing if she was refusing to film with anybody or be in the room, but she's showing up in these like small bars. She went on a boat with him. She went to the finale. So I'm like, why are we upset?

Because she doesn't want to have a forced conversation with somebody to help the narrative that they're spreading when they're also talking shit about her in every way that they possibly could on any platform. Yeah. And she said on the after show, she's like, I like read my contract. Like it literally doesn't say anywhere in my contract that I am not allowed to just live my authentic life and be my authentic self and do anything I don't wanna do. She called the bluff too. That's what the producers were trying to force her back. And she was like, nope.

And then walked out. She was like, nope. You saw it, the light bulb was like, bang. She knew exactly what she was doing. You know what's kinda giving? It's kinda giving like boy band breakup. You know, like Ariana is the Harry Styles and then the rest of the cast is One Direction. Or Ariana is Justin, I mean maybe not. Justin Timberlake. Is Justin Timberlake not in Vogue? It's in. All right, well let's stick with Harry Styles, and then the rest of the cast is One Direction. Or Ariana is Justin, maybe.

Justin Timberlake. Is Justin Timberlake not in Vogue? All right, well let's stick with Harry Styles. But you know what I'm saying? Because I still, despite everything we said, I get why the rest of the cast might have the feeling that they have. In just like a boy brand breakup.

I don't fault Harry Styles for being like, you know, I'm bigger than this. I have outgrown these people. And I don't fault Harry Styles for being like, you know, I'm bigger than this. Yeah. You know, I have, I've outgrown these people and I don't need them. They might need me. And the rest of the cast, you know, Ariana refusing the film and the rest of the cast being pissed at Ariana is giving,

we need you to do this. We need you. The show needs you. The band needs you. You know, One Direction, we need you, Harry. You know, and Harry's, we need you, Harry. You know, Harry's like, I don't know, I think I'm kind of a solo act these days

and I don't really need you. And if a boy band's breaking up, you kind of feel bad for the Liams of the world. Do you guys think that they started to forgive Sandoval and give him a shot because they genuinely want friendship with him again or because they know they need him? No, storylines for sure.

Well, other than Schwartz, it's the latter. It's the know you need him. Yeah, I think they know that without the show. I don't, that's the thing. It's just like Nali and I will have conversations about this a lot. Yeah. You meet a lot, I'm sure you deal with this,

like being in entertainment. I'm sure you meet a lot of people who present. They seem nice. You're like, oh, Eric seems like a cool hang, and then, since months go by, they're like, I don't know, Eric's not my friend. This guy's not my friend.

They present as friends, they try to be your friends, they tell everyone you're friends with them, and then you have a couple interactions, and you're like, this person's not my friend. That's not what a friend does. Now that I have conversations like it all the time, we're always reminding each other, like this person's not your friend. This cast, they're not friends.

Katie and Ariana are friends, Tom and Tom are friends. Lala's not friends with any of these people. Lala is not friends with any of them. Maybe Sheena now, but this is a professional business relationship for Lala. And she just pretends to be friends with all these people, but I don't think she's actually friends with any of them. You know, she doesn't ride for any of them.

You know, again, you can fault Tom Sports for his loyalty for Tom Sandoval, but at least you know that he knows how to be loyal and stand up for a buddy that he believes in, whether you can argue he should or shouldn't believe in him, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but at least that is friendship. Shorts and Katie are the only two loyal ones on that show. Yeah, truly.

Dude. And that's the thing about Ariana, it's just like, and I get where Lila's coming from, or Tom, it's just like, and that's the thing, Ariana's not friends with him either. Yeah. Because Tom's not wrong, like it doesn't seem like Ariana shows up for their shit,

she doesn't, you know, she's outgrown them. I think she has outgrown people that she used to be in a band with. Just like again, the boy, we watch these boy bands, One Direction, NSYNC, and we all like as fans, we're like, oh they're all best friends, they love each other, and maybe sometimes they did or do, I don't know, but then there's a lot of times

you hear the behind the scenes where like, no they fucking hated each other. They just fucking worked together. That's what it was, they're coworkers. And that's what you're seeing with the Vanderpump cast. You're seeing a boy brand potentially break up. You're seeing one star outgrow the rest. And the rest of the cast is being pissed off

because Harry Styles isn't bringing them along with him. He's just like, I don't need you guys. I'm a solo act now. I think the only difference though would be that if Harry Styles was setting a boundary for himself with the rest of the band, you know, like something happened that he needed to prioritize his mental health over being part of the band.

Yes and no, but I did recently see a clip, and I assume it's a real clip, who knows these days with AI and the internet, but it was a clip of some kind of like friend chat in Vanderpump, and it was Ariana talking to, I don't know, someone, I don't remember, but it was Ariana talking about after Lala's dad had passed.

And maybe, Sierra, you can confirm whether this is authentic or not, but there was a scene where Ariana essentially said that Lala needs to get over it, that, you know, hey, everyone can sit there and mourn with you. And if she in fact said that, then I understand where Lala's like, fuck this. Being cheated on is not, it sucks.

I can say from personal experience, not fun. Super traumatic. It sucks. And thankfully I haven't experienced a lot of death in my life, but I'll get cheated on over and over and over if I can keep my parents alive. You know what I'm saying? And everyone's relationship with their parents, I guess, is different, but like, you know, I don't think it just is far from Lala's point of view. Again, like that's what I'm saying, Ariana's not friends with them either.

So if you're Lala, I don't expect Lala to give Ariana loyalty. I just think call it out. It's just like, I think it's the performativeness of season 10 of them trying to pretend they're protecting Ariana. And then that whole scene between Sheena and Ariana, to me, that was all bullshit.

I don't even think they realize how much they're not friends even though they all like to call each other friends. It was also the scene with Lala like interrogating Dan, where it was just kind of like, if you were actually her friend, that would come off authentic. Cause we watched a scene like that in Summer House between Paige and Wes this week.

So I thought it was funny in contrast that I'm like, Lala's comes off very performative, like, oh, I'm going to give you the whole, like run down and you need to prove that you're worthy of being in this group. And it's like, you don't hang out with Ariana as soon as the cameras are done. Like, we know that. So it's like, why are we putting on this whole show?

Like, I'm the best friend. And then when you see it happen in an authentic setting, it's like, these two couldn't be polar opposites. Like, you're looking for a camera moment. Yeah, and they kind of broke the fourth wall the whole episode, because even Brock, throughout the episode, was talking about how, like, Ariana's not a good friend,

Tom is the good friend to Sheena. That's the thing, is I actually kind of agreed with, like, Brock at least was, at least Brock took a side. Like, his wife Sheena is just like, well, I'm also friends with Ariana, and I'm friends with Tom, and I wanna do both. And it's like, no, you're at the point in your life, you don't get to pick.

And Ariana's saying, I don't want you to pick. I want you to choose me or don't choose me, I don't know. But sometimes you have to take a stand. And at least Brock is just like, hey, listen, Tom shows up for us. Ariana doesn't answer your texts. He did a bad thing, you know, but he shows up for us. And like, at least Brock is willing to pick a side and be loyal to whoever he thinks deserves that loyalty. And sometimes as an adult you have to do that, you know? Sheena is just trying to like have the business relationship. She doesn't want to give up on Ariana because she sees the money.

Totally. You know? She sees like, she's like, we can't lose our front man. Oh yeah, our relevancy. You know? Like, we can't lose Harry, you know? Even though she desperately, you know, she wants to be Harry, but she's afraid to lose Harry. Which honestly is kind of poetic in a sense, that she won't shut up about not being the It Girl. You would think that she would just let the It Girl go.

Yeah, so she, yeah. But she's fighting so hard to keep the It Girl, because maybe she deep down doesn't believe in herself. Maybe she doesn't think she has what it takes to to be you think they're gonna go to the valley This aren't there reports about Lala actually negotiating to be on both Well, so valley season 2 has been announced that it's renewed Bravo said that it was there like Most most watched spin-off in like 10 years or like in a while So we know that valley season 2 is coming but then it's a rumor that Lala and Sheena

are gonna transfer over. But Jax was on his podcast saying that he pretty much has an executive producer role, so that's not happening if he has any say in it. He's like, I have a couple meetings to go to. Yeah, I was gonna say that. He's got a couple meetings. That statement absolutely means that he has

absolutely no power in casting what so We have a couple meetings that I have to go deal with Yeah, no, he's a lot. Yeah, no way. I don't know how anyone watches the valley and they can confidently say they're a fan of Jack Taylor. No, why is he coming back? Also? I just we'll get into this more when we get to the valley, but There was just a scene in this episode that made me think like, Jax is just the biggest hypocrite, where Brittany comes up to talk to him about Kristen,

and Jax was like doing something for his bar or whatever, and then he's like, I'm busy, I'm doing something for my bar, like I don't wanna talk about Kristen anymore, and I'm just like, oh, so you're being a hypocrite, like you don't wanna talk about Kristen anymore, like you're being a hypocrite. Like, you don't want to talk about Kristen anymore. Like, you've been doing this for a couple of episodes where you're just so invested in your bar that you're not taking part of the show, really.

But everything that Jack says is hypocritical. Everything. It's comically hypocritical. It's like he knows he's being hypocritical. And it's not even hypocritical from, like, a week ago. Like, you don't even need flashbacks with Jack Taylor. You're just like, it's like one sentence and the next sentence it's just like, wait, wait, didn't you just fucking say?

Yeah. Yeah. He just, it's almost as if he's trolling all of us. He's so hypocritical. Like, yeah, he's just. Yeah, he said that when people ask if anyone from VPR is gonna come over, he says, as of now, it's a hell no basically. A hard no. Hard no.

Like he has no say in it whatsoever. You really think the producers of these shows would give Jax Taylor a producing credit and then therefore say in anything? A guy they had to recently fire? Right? Yeah, I don't. No, absolutely not.

Why is Jo at the reunion? I don't know Absolutely, not why is Joe at the reunion? I don't know well she had this scene in the finale with Katie I keep team fucking Katie once again the old Katie I have watched this show for a while now I haven't seen every episode and I'll never and I said this all the time every time we started watching Vanderpump They're like these casts are crazy, but crazy And they were like but Katie seems normal and every once a while, you get this person in the fucking comments be like, well, just you wait. You gotta watch this episode of Katie doing this mean girl shit or whatever.

This was not mean girl shit. I'm sorry, this was Katie being forced to put up with someone that she doesn't wanna put up with. Who she doesn't wanna work with, she doesn't wanna be around. And this Jo, Jo is just, she is, she is a super fan. She is someone who just desperately wants to be around and this Joe Joe is just she is she is a super fan She is someone who just desperately wants to be in the show I have I know people disagree with me. I know dear friend of the show Kate Arthur disagrees with me

I know she's very critical of Tom Schwartz when it comes to this dynamic, but I have no sympathy for Joe whatsoever I think she's just a super fan who's desperately tried to be on the show. She got her way She got what she wanted. She's on the show freaking she is messy and she is slopping She's going on doing these Instagram lives and doing saying all this crazy fucking. Yeah, I think it would be different and I think I If she wasn't doing these Instagram lives where she was reading picking and choosing reading like clips of text messages and just being very performative online and like trying to Get attention that way. I feel like this it would be a different

It would be like oh wait no like she's really she's just like Tom's friend And he's fucking her over and she did it like shitty thing to Katie But that's not what's going on because of what she is doing outside of the show It is screaming everything that everyone's accusing her. What is she doing on the lives? I haven't seen her. She just goes on live and she's just reading text messages. She's reading personal text messages.

She's talking about Tom Schwartz's dick. She's saying, she said as of a couple weeks ago, she still believes her and Tom Schwartz are meant to be. It's giving a bit delusional. She talked about his new girlfriend. But I thought. It's giving a bit delusional. She talked about his new girlfriend. Yeah. But I thought. It's like kind of weird, but like, yeah, it's just

it's giving very messy. It's giving that, you know, she wants to be, you know, if you if you if you're going to be that messy, you're going to get messy back. You know, and like she walks up to Katie at an event that Katie didn't ask to have this conversation. That was Swartz. That was Swartz's fault. Yeah. But that was Swartz. I'm sorry, well, Schwartz. That was Schwartz's fault, yeah. But that was Schwartz, I'm sorry, that was Schwartz,

that was him working, that was him setting up a scene. Yeah, 100%. That was him like bringing over Jo, but like, hey, I'm just gonna drop her off right here. But that's also so like standard for Schwartz, that's why I'm like, when Katie decided to divorce him, I was like, that was the best decision she could have made, because yet again, you're watching a situation

where you know, Schwartz knows that Katie does not like Joe, and yet you're gonna bring her over and be like, well, what do you mean? Deal with it. And it's just like, that's the standard situation between the two of them. Also, I have to add, Joe recently did another live and I guess Tom Schwartz had texted her saying like,

please stop talking about me. I'm going to respectfully block you. And so she went on Instagram Live to talk about it. You read that. No, she's so messy. She is the worst. I can't... I'm with Natalie on that, though, that without the lives, I could...

I would think that she's the realest cast member because she, on the show, doesn't stir up as much drama. Like, it almost seems like she's the one putting that position. Because she's not getting the camera time because she's not a real cast member. She's not a star. She's a B player. And for a B player to get that much air time, she is so forcing it.

She's fighting for it. She's so going out of her way. Cause I mean I felt bad when Katie made her cry. No, but Katie was just as a... No, I know, I know. Yeah. But now seeing the lives, I know that she's kind of crazy. But like if I didn't see that, then I would feel bad seeing Katie make her cry on the couch. No, but Katie was almost crying herself.

Yeah, exactly. Like Katie was so emotional. Yeah, I thought she was so real. You can see how, yeah, it was so real. The vein. So then I'm with Sierra where like Schwartz is putting both of these women in that position that now both of them are crying.

You know? Yeah. Yeah, I do think Schwartz thinks he's doing his job though. I'm not defending it, but I'm just pointing out what was occurring. I'm just like, this is why you're divorced is because you never have Katie's back and it's like, so you put her in uncomfortable situations,

you let your friends talk shit. Like. Well yeah, you just don't expect to have him to have it now. Oh, of course not. But you're right, it's continuing him. But I think this is interesting though, because like, you know, Tom, even now when you have Tom, and we talked about the whole Katie, he pushes back.

He's like, I kind of resent the notion that I never had her back. But I think the more I get to know this fourth wall stuff, I feel like in Tom Schwartz's mind, he's mentioned it a couple times, but he thinks his loyalty is to the show. Yeah.

The show Tom Fandel. Yeah, it's making the TV. It's making sure they still have a job, that they still have a career, and to them, that's the thing that they're most loyal to, except for Katie, except for Ariana. They have to be, I mean, they'll lose their restaurants if they get off the show. Oh, potentially, they will certainly lose

that recurring check, which according to reports is at least more than $350,000 because that's what Rachel was making. Yeah, I think it depends on the cast member. Yeah, and how long they've been there. I'm pretty sure they're all making more than Rachel was. Did she come out and say how much? I feel like Lisa Vanderpump said as much.

Because Rachel was like, they didn't pay me at all. She's paid like an intern and then Lisa came out and was like, you're making like almost a quarter of a million. Where do I find that internship? Yeah, right. Well, almost a quarter of a million is less than 250. Isn't she making, I thought it was 350. I think it was 250.

Yeah, I think it was around 250. 245 or something. I thought it was in the 300s also, but whatever. It's not intern money. It's not. Lily, who's your favorite Vanderpump cast member right now? I mean, this season, Katie Katie for sure Maloney by a mile Yes, so you're on the right team. Yeah

Absolutely, but Katie's the Katie in Swartz are really the only true loyal ones on the show and Katie's loyalty I think is unmatched and I would I agree. I'm a I'm a Katie, you know, dude like If I'm I'm Katie on if I'm on Vanderpump, I'm closest to Katie. I also wanted more Schwartz and Katie interactions this season. They were fun when they were together. Yeah.

They were cracking me up. No, I think everyone wishes they could've made it work. That diner scene, so cute, between the two of them. They're just so fun and flirty now, and it's hilarious, I love it. Anything else from VPR? I think anyone who's a fan of Jax Taylor after watching, I mean him on Vanderpump and then again on The Valley

thinking he would come back as a better person being a father absolutely is not. He's the worst husband. The shit he says to Brittany is like foul. I don't watch The Valley because I can't, I physically cannot stomach him. I can't do it. He sucks. And as much as I wanna watch Kristen be Kristen because I can't I physically cannot stomach him I can't do it sucks and as much as I want to watch Kristen be Kristen I'm like I cannot like like Brittany taking a shot of sake and him being like that's why in her stomach hurting in her

Really? I have to go home. He's like that's why you don't fucking drink Yeah, that's why you don't be stupid and take a shot of something. You know that's gonna fuck you like why not like I'm sorry, honey. Can I find you a more- Can I get you a Tums? Yeah, yeah. What do you think he's like behind closed doors? Even last episode when he told Brittany, like, no, you're not allowed to have feelings. Like, you can't cry.

Yeah. I was like, oof. Bizarre. He also got on the after show and was, what did he say about the shot where he was kind of like, it was a couple's dinner and she was leaving me by myself. So that's why I was upset or something. And it was just like, even your reasoning, having time to come up with an answer

sounds 10 times worse than even what you actually did. You know what I mean? There's just no grace for Brittany at all whatsoever. Her husband is just like, oh, your stomach hurts, you're abandoning me. No, cause like, well, I said this on season 10, those guys, the Toms and Jacks, they're the most loyal to fun

Yeah, oh, yeah, you know that's like like like Jacks is like pissed that he's like well It's game night, and we're supposed to be couples game night. You don't want to have fun Like what the fuck well then Brittany just left on her own She tried to have fun She took a shot of something to like try to have fun, and he yelled at her for that and then him going to Kristen's t-shirt thing and being like say hate to be the one to do this but we're all going on a couple's trip to Big Bear and you're not invited he loved every moment of that he was like excuse me is this mic on um just so you know you and you not invited right at Kristen's event and then Zach crying

cuz he's not invited I'm like what the fuck is going on here yeah why why I don't understand why Zach was so sensitive Well, I did hear on Janet saying something on a podcast where she was like well Zach And I hadn't been in a good place for years or something like that. Oh funny I'm also like I think it's I mean I wouldn't know personally But I do feel like it's awkward for sometimes single people in a group of couples,

because you are kind of like the odd man out, or it's like, oh we're going on a trip, but you can stay. So I kind of see like how he could feel hurt in the sense that like they're obviously filming a show, which means like you not going on a trip means you're not filming. Free trip.

You know, literally. Yeah, yeah. Well the question is, do you think they're actually not gonna go on the trip because this very much screams Sheena's wedding Oh, I guess I will end up on the trip for sure Right because like they always have these trips that people it's always like one person isn't welcomed or two people aren't welcome But I think Kristen and Luke are gonna show up anyway. Yeah, they're gonna show up anyways like fuck this Right next door. No, seriously. Yeah, it'll be like across the hall

But oh my god, you booked here too, which I kind of love and me and Danny are gonna want to hang out with Kristen And so they like she inevitably joins a group. Yeah. Yeah, she knows wedding 2.0 It's giving she knows wedding it makes sense in some world that like Zack isn't invited because he's not in a relationship But at the same time he's grouped in with Kristen, right? So that's where it becomes why wouldn't Kristen's is Kristen's boyfriend like back in Colorado or something? Is that why he wasn't? No, he was there. No, it's because Kristen's problematic

in Janet's eyes, right? Have you guys ever played a game where you all like asked which of your friend group you'd have a threesome with? Yeah, that felt odd. Like in high school maybe. Well, and then you know for sure that Janet and Jason had this conversation before because they both named Jasmine.

So I was like, y'all have talked about this. Probably, right? Otherwise it's like, oh, ooh. Have you? And like me and Danny being like, you know what? We're just. That's so uncomfortable. Yeah, Danny.

A good husband. Good, yeah, that's the thing. It's not even like, I'm not trying to take anything away from Danny by saying this, but it's just like, he looks so good compared to these other fucking just loser husbands and All he is is just like yeah. Hey, babe. Can I get you glass of water? Doing the absolute bare minimum shit. He's just like who else would I want to fuck just my wife? Holy shit, man, yeah, they set him up well

Well, that's cuz you have Jesse on the side over here cracking jokes every two seconds that aren't even jokes. Right? No, what a tough beat though. I mean, I know Jesse hasn't done him any favors and no one likes him on the show, but when his own wife is like, she's like, what would you like to change about me?

Your entire personality. Oh my god, that line. Rough. That's rough. That's literally, I don't like you. It's giving Kyle and Amanda. That's the reason you are in Rough. That's rough. That's literally, I don't like you. It's giving Kyle and Amanda. That's, yeah. This is the reason you are in therapy.

That's what she said. Literally. Yeah. But it's tough, because it's a mean thing to say, but it's also hard to argue against, given what he's shown us. It's not mean, because she's saying that while he's over here saying all of the stuff he's saying.

Yeah, I mean, it's, he's, it tracks. The difference is that she says it to his face, and he says it to all of his friends behind her back. So I'm like, that's interesting too, but she literally said to his face, you're your own obstacle. Like you can take however many drugs, you can go in the desert.

I hope you fix yourself, but like I find it hard to believe you can do that in a week. I think it was a day. In a day. I think she was like, he's going for a day. Oh, okay, yeah, miracle fix. She's like, oh yeah, hopefully he can change his whole personality in this one day. I think she was like, he's going for a day. Oh, okay, yeah, miracle fix. She's like, oh yeah, hopefully he can change his whole personality in this one day.

But also this was recommended by their life coach that like she. They're not therapists, life coach? Yeah, so I get, I mean I feel like if our therapist was like, hey Nick, like I'm gonna send you on this place, I would be like, oh well I trust that he knows what's best. Yeah, but we pay real money for a real therapist and we don't film it on TV.

I was gonna say, spoiler alert, it didn't work. So yeah, I guess if Jonathan suggested it, we'd be like, maybe, but he hasn't and he is a real therapist. Certified. How do you guys feel with Brittany? Just like, I know everybody feels bad for her, but she knew what she was getting into.

Like she has seen these warning signs and like do you find it easier to like, that's how Darren and I are just kind of like, yo, it's not like a Tom Sandoval, Ariana situation where you thought he was so loyal and then blindsided you kind of thing. It's like, it's Jax. But blindsided you kind of thing. It's like it's Jack's But I think maybe I can see where she's like, okay us like having a baby and like maybe getting off the show

It will like, you know make him be a little bit of a better person. I don't know I feel like a lot of people think kids will change you If they're I will say if kids don't change you, nothing's gonna fucking change you, because moving in won't change your relationship, getting married won't fix your relationship. Lots of things. Having a kid might change you, but it won't make you a better partner.

But to Nellie's point, a lot of people have made the same mistake that Brittany's made. I do think her willingness to be on The Valley was her telling herself this marriage, I think she knew her marriage was over before they started filming. Shit. Because she is a, this is not her first rodeo.

Yeah. She's not the first time on reality TV. She knows how this shit works. She's seen all the toxicity that comes with it. She knows that to be a good reality TV star, you have to poke holes in your own relationship. Yeah. And so, I feel like she agreed to this to this being like this is just the beginning of it

She should go back on VPR. That would be sick. She goes back. She leaves Valley. Yeah, or Jack's we need somebody We think speaking of terrible relationships Kyle and Amanda. She needs to ask for divorce immediately Holy shit, I'm calling her a hate a fucking bitch and slamming the door. He said fuck you and I was like fuck you, bitch. Yeah, yeah. Is this like, you know what sucks? That's his thing. Imagine being the guy on TV where his thing

is to get fucking piss drunk where his eyes are wobbling. And to storm out. You can always see it. It's always like the last scene of the episode. Kyle's fucked up. Everything, every single time. Yeah, they hate each other. And then you just tell his wife, what a fucking bitch.

Yeah, I mean she hates him. I would too. Yeah, they hate each other. But then you immediately lose this. Prior to that, I will say, I could potentially understand why Kyle felt frustration. Do not understand, like, you immediately lose. As soon as you, like why would you ever want to be known?

Yeah. Does he call your wife a fucking bitch? How many times has he called his wife a bitch on this fucking show? I mean, on TV. On TV, well documented. I think it was two separate. He said, fuck you, bitch, and then she's a fucking bitch.

But I imagine this isn't the first time he said this. Oh, for sure not. Honestly, I haven't, I can't really recall him calling her out of her name. They've had fights, obviously. This was the first time that like, and again, I have sympathy. I've had sympathy for Kyle in the past because I know that it's super stressful starting a business from the ground up and especially feeling like you're doing it by yourself.

I feel like that's a lot of stress that like is unaccounted for even if it's irrational. But this was the first time at the end of the episode where I was like, wow, that was a terrible look, Kyle. Terrible. Terrible. Yeah. How do you recover from that?

Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. Can you imagine? I could not imagine saying that, period. Let alone on camera about Natalie and then having to see her mom. Yeah, yeah. Like her family members. Be like, oh, you remember the time on national television you called my daughter a fucking bitch?

Are you fucking kidding me? Well, he doubles down and he says, she thinks she works for me. If you worked for me, you'd be fucking fired. That's like on me, I was like, oh, he's doubling. Shit like that. And prior to that, like Sierra said, there's a lot of unknowns.

There's a lot of unknowns in terms of this relationship. How much is Amanda actually participating and helping? Who knows? Like how much is Kyle expecting of her? Could be too much, you know? Like there's a lot of variables. But I could appreciate, like Sierra said, running a business.

If the upfront expectation was that Amanda, like Kyle, you know, right now as a family, that fun, what's it called? Lover boy. Lover Boy. Lover Boy. Lover Boy. Is like their bread and butter, and this is how they're gonna get the house that Amanda wants, and this is their goal,

and this is what they're gonna do, and this is what they decided as a family to focus on, and Kai was like, hey, I really need your help with this, you're a big part of this, and Amanda's like, I got your back. It would be frustrating if in the middle of what seems to be a period of struggling for this company, that man. I was like hey. I just want to do something different I'm really not sure what it is like a timing wise it could I could see why Kyle could be frustrated

But like that's just called a marriage shit like that happens all the time You know people like you know don't always break for the best time to be like hey, you know yeah I have a dream. I want to just run by and cows is like fuck you man like no That's a time like you're a fucking bitch I was like, holy shit. What do you think about Kyle shooting Amanda down and then and then going on to become a DJ That was so nice. That was funny. I was like And then all of a sudden but last week he posted they both posted being out and he's DJing and I didn't understand it. Wait, wait, so he actually is a DJ?

Yes, he actually went, he took classes. So wait, the thing he said as a joke at the end of the episode, and he was sarcastic, he was like, well, I wanna be a DJ as if like, he was trying to mock his wife. Yeah, you don't have time to help your wife start a business. So you're telling me he actually didn't win follow through

and became the DJ? He did, he told Amanda that she couldn't start. Amanda can't go work on her dream and her passion, even though she gave it up to essentially help him. And I feel like in your early 20s, when you're young, like, that's the time to, like, take risks and follow your passion, right? And Amanda couldn't do that because she was helping Kyle.

And so now she's like, you know what? I want to do my thing. And not only did Kyle say, fuck you, no, but then he went on and pursued his passion. And he's taking DJ classes. I can't believe he did the DJ thing. Oh yeah. I just wanna fuck this guy.

But then Amanda's on the after show and she's like, oh, he's so cute. He's taking DJ classes and he's practicing. And I'm just like. Well, there you go. Listen, Amanda obviously accepts this type of behavior. So maybe we can't be so mad at Kyle. I don't know. She, like, listen, that's, like, Amanda obviously accepts this type of behavior, so like, maybe we can't be so mad at Kyle

if clearly Amanda's. Tolerating it. Yeah, then you have Paige. We can be mad at Kyle for, you know, but like, I don't know. I feel bad for Amanda. Cause like, she went to Kyle trying to express like, hey, I wanna do this, and then he turned it on her and was like, crying.

Granted, I know it is a TV show, but I was also kind of like, why are we having this conversation wasted? Because I'm like, this is a conversation that needs like full eye contact and being like, yeah, this is what we're doing. And it's like after a day of drinking and Kyle is not level headed by any means while wasted. I was like, at the same time, what reaction did you expect that Kyle was going to be like, oh my God, I love that for you. Like he's like, no, I'm drunk and this is fucked up. It does give perspective that he responded to her by crying and then blowing up and saying he wants to DJ that

in his eyes, it's all about his passions. Truly. Yeah, like Loverboy and DJing versus- Definitely self-centered. Yeah. I was also Team Lindsay in the Lindsay and Carl fight as well. I was too. I was too. Really?

Oh yeah, yeah. I think when it's conversations about his career and going back to a business that obviously did not serve him, Kyle said terrible things about him and like the drug usage and all this stuff and it was a toxic environment for Carl and like caused stress within the relationship and now he's like potentially wanting to go back and she's like, oh no, I just have a couple questions

and he's like, no, why the fuck would you ask me a question? I need you to be like supportive. That felt bizarre. Yeah, well he just wanted the instant like, yeah, yeah, yeah and she's like, no, I'm about to fucking marry you, like what's up? Yeah, yeah. I see both sides.

I do too. Definitely begs the question of like how and when do you want support from your partner? But like, now he's not wrong. Like, the point is, is like, Kyle, Carl's already done this. He's lit, it's like, it's like, she actually had a great analogy. It's like going back to an ex.

You know? And Carl's just like, yeah, this is gonna go great this time. It's like, in what world should we think this is gonna go great, you. It's like, in what world should we think this is gonna go great, you know? And a business relationship is probably the most difficult relationship to maintain because of the stakes of money.

It has ruined so many romantic and friend relationships, business relationships, and the stresses that come with it. And- Yeah, she clearly hates Kyle, so. And we're supposed to believe this is gonna be successful like clearly Carl has a track record of Mrs. When it comes to his professional career, and she is rather supportive yeah I mean he's get it as a guy you sometimes just want your partner just to believe in you yeah But sometimes you have to give your partner something to believe in yeah, hey

You know I'm sure it's easy for for your wife to believe in you You're crushing life. You know like a head after head after head, but like you know Carl When he started saying all the numbers, and he was like I've already made $70,000 this year on brand I was just so cringe. I was like bro Yeah, he's he's he seems like a swell guy, but he does not seem to be the most, you know, motivated. The entrepreneur, you know. Well, did you guys see Carl Radke did speak about the relationship on Watch What Happens Live?

So he did said, I think I could have been a lot more direct with her and about how I was feeling at times. I think I was again, really just dead set on trying to get married. I wanted to get married. I wanted to have a family, but I think we were speeding really quickly down that track. So like to what Lily is saying, like he's very like instant, like he just wanted everything right there in that second. Yeah, I also seems impulsive.

I also agree too, where I'm like, I see both sides. I'm kind of like, I would be annoyed if after almost a year off of work to end up back at the start, like going back to Loverboy, it would be like, what was all of that time for? And especially if you've complained to me about it. However, I was also like, if these two people are supposed to get married, I'm like, the way that you're communicating with each other is toxic. You know, it's like, it's more of a questioning interrogation versus like a, well, do you feel that that would be the right decision for you mentally? Like, you know what I mean? There was just, the approach to me was a little rough where I'm like, if this is how you guys handle conversation or conflict and then she's walking away, this isn't gonna, not a good marriage made.

Yeah, no way. I mean, I also think that 101 for just his personality, especially with him being so impulsive, they need to start doing the, do you want advice or do you want support? Yeah, yeah. You know, like kind of perspective on it. You want me to listen or you want me to? Yeah, and I think the unfortunate thing is he's always gonna want support and she's always gonna give advice.

That's why they're awful for each other. But she did say, what do you need from me? What do you want from me? What do you need from me? And he couldn't answer that. And so it's like, if you wanted support, just be like, hey babe, I want support. She'd be like, okay, I can give you some support.

She did ask. He kinda said that. He did, but, and it still resulted in somebody like walking, like I'm gonna go cry now. Like it's like them constantly trying to make each other the bad guy. And it's just like, you guys aren't doing conflict resolution, you guys are just doubling down

and then sweeping it under the rug. I was definitely team Lindsay for the whole argument, but there was a moment in the argument where Lindsay was like, I'm just asking questions, I'm not giving my opinion. And she had literally just gave her opinion about how, I don't know, I feel like this is a comfortable choice.

And she literally gave the analogy about it's going back to an X, which is in fact an opinion. But I'd still agree that Lindsay had the right, I mean that's the thing, she had the right to give an opinion, you know, and ask questions. You know, they are, you know, they are a partner. And sometimes being a partner in those types

of conversations is like you have to have some tough ones, especially when you're married to someone, like you know, Kyle too, it's just like, these companies take a lot of time and money and investments and that's your partner's time and your partner's money too. And so when you wanna invest tens of thousands or 50,000 or whatever amount of money and the time that goes into it,

your partner is gonna have something to say when all your time and money is going into something that isn't being successful. He also, one episode he wants to do it, another episode he's like, I'm gonna start, he just doesn't, he doesn't have a pulse. Yeah. You wanna be on the same path as the person

that you're marrying and choosing to spend the rest of your life with, so I don't think it's wrong to be like, hey, what's your plan? And for you to not have one, Carl, it's kind of like, well, we're getting married in two months, then what? Yeah, also, can I just ask a clarification question? So Carl wants to do something

that's in the non-alcoholic business, but then he also wants to work for Loverboy, which is a, they did a non-alcoholic line. Yeah, Loverboy did it. It's below like a certain precise. So I was sitting there and I was like, huh? It's his department, like the non-alcoholic beverage for them. There's a whole department? All right, you know what I mean, huh? It's his department like they're on alcoholic beverage for them There's a whole department. All right, you know what? I mean, it's his it's like what Kyle wanted for him

Yeah, like kind of head up the run it essentially. Yeah That that kind of reeks of like giving your kid a broken iPad to play with You know and they in and they you think they're they think they're playing with an iPad, you know But it's not really doing anything. It's not connected to the wifi. It's better to give him the iPad than the whole store though. Cause you had Carl over here saying

he wants to open up a non-alcoholic sports bar. It was so stupid. You know what I mean? I was like, that's called a sandwich shop. So well then you have Kyle over here saying that the brand is suffering. Right, well that they lost like a million dollars. So I could see why Lindsay is kind of like, uh.

Yeah, it's not screaming, let's double down on this company. No, Lindsay's absolutely right. They were just a terrible match. They could not be less of a match. Not good. You think next episode we're gonna see it? Yeah, do we know when the big fight is?

When the big breakup is? I mean, it must be the last, when is the Summer House finale? I think we have a couple more episodes. We tried doing the math, it's a little unclear, but I think we have like two episodes left. Don't mention household math. it's a little unclear, but I think we have like two episodes left. Don't mention household math. We don't have.

Because he like called the producers and told them he was gonna do it. And they like came and filmed like one extra episode, kind of like the Ariana scandal thing. So it's gonna be good. I think we're also, because we know we have a teaser that happened with a fight between I think Sierra and West as well, and we haven't seen that.

And Paige just gave West the rundown being like, hey, that's my best friend, just so you know, I will kill you if you hurt her, but are you talking to other people? Do we think- He's like, I'm not having enough sex. Do we think he's being honest with Paige? No.

Again, he said it himself. He said it's her best friend. It would be stupid to be giving her all the information knowing she's just gonna go back to Sierra. Yeah, Wes has been very clear. If he's not fucking, he's not loyal. Yeah. it would be stupid to be giving her all the information knowing she's just gonna go back to Sierra. Wes has been very clear. If he's not fucking, he's not loyal. Yeah.

And unless he's getting some, I don't think he thinks he deserves, that he thinks Sierra deserves his loyalty. And also, I do think he was right though, and he was like, I'm not gonna sit here and give Paige the rundown when I haven't even had this conversation with Sierra yet. That's fair, yeah.

And I was like, I do think that that's appropriate. That's fair. It just seems, it's always a little weird when he keeps talking about how much sex he's not getting. Yeah. He also says he has flirtatious relationships with other girls and I was like, what does that mean? Like, are you flirtatious through text?

Like in the bedroom? What does that mean? I think he means his personality is flirtatious. Well he just has a flirtatious personality. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but I'm like, does that mean like, cause you are seeing other people and he's kind of making that clear.

So I'm just like, it's the way that the, it's the underplaying. It's like telling people, oh, we only made out when you definitely fucked. Like it's the cheating thing. It's the whole like, oh, let me say the lesser of offense and hopefully we can just drop it. That's what it sounds like to me at least.

I feel like he's also just afraid to have the conversation with her being like, yo, are we like doing this or not? She calls him her boyfriend. I know, which is so interesting. Why do you think she's being so apprehensive of like taking the next step with him? You know, I honestly- I'm actually playing slow, I don't know.

I don't know. It's like bread crumbling low key though, right? Kind of, it's like peeing on your hydrant. No, maybe she's just taking it slow. She's like, they're obsessed with each other though. That's why I'm like, this is so bizarre. Like if they can't even have their own conversation about having sex, then why is she, I don't know.

I'm just playing devil's advocate. Maybe she doesn't wanna have the conversation about sex. Maybe it's just like, hey, I don't wanna have sex right now or I wanna take it slow or I'm a slow burn or maybe like I used to fuck all the time and that didn't go anywhere, so now I wanna be more deliberate and intentional with my dating life They're not gonna do it on fucking camera. How is that? That's not that complicated. That's right

I don't think that's bread crumbing. It's because he's just like hey, I don't want to do this like right now Yeah, especially after Austin to like I'm like that was a two-part two two different shows running on yeah of embarrassment I think that about does it. The only thing I want, like one last, when they did the whole horoscope, when they had like a horoscope reader or whatever. Oh, the tarot reading. Tarot reader.

Boy, if it's a straight white guy and you say, hey, I think you need to be more vulnerable, every straight white guy's gonna be like, man, they read me like a book. I know. Like, oh man. It was all so stupid. It was like, oh.

What is everyone's thoughts on horoscopes and stuff like that? Not a fan. I think, I mean, it doesn't make sense. It's just when your. What is everyone's thoughts on like horoscopes and stuff like that? Not a fan. I think, I mean, it doesn't make sense. It's just when your parents decided to have sex, like that doesn't make sense to me. They don't, they just say, you know, generic stuff that, you know, like, oh my God,

I do want to be more vulnerable. Like, oh, okay. I do want more out of life. I did look up and I tried to find a way to get Ali from Vanderpump to do a reading for Nick, but she's not letting open readings happen. Ali's not down for that? Well, there's no public way to pay her,

so we'd have to go through that kind of deal. We'll figure it out. We'll figure something out. Can't she just do it? That would be amazing. She can sing for you too. You've seen all those videos. I have.

That's something else. James is a very supportive boyfriend. He is. He is. That would be a deal breaker is a very supportive boyfriend. He is, he is. That would be a deal breaker for me. That would be a deal breaker for me. For sure. You don't love your wife that much? I just don't think I would be able to actually seriously

be with anybody that does those videos and stuff. Fair enough, yeah, no. But also, Darryl would never do that, so. Lily, this has been so much fun. Dude, thank you guys for having me this has been so much fun, dude Thank you guys for having me. No, thank you for coming. Please come back. I will have definitely have especially when you're LA come and say hi It's in the studio. Please let my audience know all the great things you're doing Obviously you have new music out your crushing life. It's great to see you out there. Where can people find you?

Yeah, Lily Rose music not depth not depth Lily Rose music pretty much anywhere. So new EP on Spotify Apple wherever you listen to music Excellent music. I actually recently I Went to stagecoach for the first time last year. My wife brought me at 2023. Yeah, I became a I I'm a new country fan. Hey, welcome. Like a new Vanderpump fan. We were there last year. Yeah, and really as someone who like, I'm just like fresh on the scene, excellent music you have. Thanks man.

It's really great. Appreciate it. Really enjoy it. Appreciate it. I remembered what I wanted to talk about now, all of a sudden. Oh my God. I can save it for the next, no, cause all the way around. No, it's, now that I'm married,

I feel like more authentic to steal things from Natalie, like y'alls and cowboy boots. Like, I feel more, I feel less phony by saying the word y'all now, because Natalie, it's part of her vocabulary and where she's from and before it was like, but like now that I'm married and now that she's my wife, I'm like, yeah, I can say y'all, I can wear cowboy boots.

It's like, it's totally fine, because I'm married to a girl who's from the South. I support you are you are Alabama and that makes me you know, we're one you're saying so Y'all is gender neutral too. So pop up. There you go. I hope you all have a great rest of your day Lily tour this summer, right? Yeah, I'm gonna tell Luke Bryan about you if we kill off Nick can people buy tickets here Kill off Nick and Caroline you guys can run away into the sunset together Can people buy tickets to this tour already yeah, yeah tickets are lilyrosemusic.net or Luke Bryan, wherever you wanna go. Oh, hell yeah.

Come on, we're stoked. It's gonna be fun. Y'all should come out to a show. Congratulations on all your success. I can't wait to see where it goes. I think very, very big things are in store for you. Thanks, dude, I appreciate it. I hope to see one of your concerts live.

Come on, yeah, when we come through LA, for sure. I'd love that. Or maybe we travel. We travel. Yeah, big travel with a baby. for sure. I'd love that. Or maybe we travel. We travel. Yeah, big travel with a baby. Big travel with a baby, yeah. I don't know if we can bring our baby to a music concert though.

That might be one. We gotta get her the headphones. The cute headphones, yeah. Yeah, she might be too little for that. Anyway, thank you guys for listening. Be sure to check out all the great things Lily Rose is doing. Follow her music, go see her shows.

It's incredible. Don't forget we have the iconic Laverne Cox this Thursday on Going Deeper. Until then, don't forget to send in your questions at asknickofthevalvefiles.com for all things texting office hours, ask Nick. Be sure to check out the Ask Nick episode we just dropped on Monday.

Other than that, see you back on Thursday, bye. Bye.