The Viall Files - E752 GD w/ Brian Kelley + VPR Reunion Part 2, Kendrick Lamar vs. Drake, & JoJo’s 21st Birthday

Episode Date: May 23, 2024

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Going Deeper Edition! To start things out, the household gets together to talk about some recent headlines, such as the UK’s Sexiest Men list, Tom Hanks’ son explaining the Kendrick Lamar vs. Drake drama, JoJo Siwa celebrating her 21st birthday (and Facetiming Nick). And we also talk about the Vanderpump Reunion Part 2 and how we feel about phrases such as boundaries and gaslighting. Then, we talk to Brian and Brittney Kelley about all things country music, how they met, what makes their marriage successful, songwriting, his new album, pet peeves and more! We also have a Texting Office Hours caller who is trying to figure out if her marriage is worth fighting for, or if she should walk away.  “I’m a big believer in following your gut.”  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Huggies - Learn more at https://www.huggies.com  Quince - Upgrade your wardrobe. Go to https://www.Quince.com/viall for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. ZOA Energy - Available online and at a store near you. Find out where you can find it at https://www.ZOAEnergy.com and fine retailers like Amazon, 7-Eleven, Costco, Circle K and more. Helix Sleep - Helix is offering up to 30% off all mattress orders AND two free pillows for our listeners! Go to https://www.HelixSleep.com/Viall This is their best offer yet and it won’t last long! With Helix, better sleep starts now. Vuori - Vuori is an investment in your happiness. For our listeners, they are offering 20% off your FIRST purchase. Get yourself some of the most comfortable and versatile clothing on the planet at https://www.vuori.com/VIALL  Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @briankelley @brittneykelley @nnataliejjoy @ciaracrobinson @alison.vandam @dereklanerussell @leahgsilberstein @justinkaphillips  Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 05:46 - UK’s Sexiest Men 17:11 - Kendrick Lamar vs. Drake 19:08 - Southern Charm 21:59 - JoJo Siwa’s 21st Birthday 38:38 - Summer House 44:22 - VPR Reunion Part 2 01:07:09 - Brian & Brittney Interview Begins 01:14:32 - Meetcute 01:24:13 - FGL/Solo Career 01:42:26 - Together 01:46:43 - Butterfly Effect 01:52:15 - Truth 02:00:05 - Bad Habits 02:08:15 - Texting Office Hours 02:24:11 - Intensives 02:32:36 - New Album 02:46:24 - Priest 02:47:52 - Outro   

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Essentials has your big kid covered too with a training pant that is ultra soft and breathable to help protect sensitive skin through potty training. Learn more at Huggies.com. Once again head to Huggies.com to learn more. What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vilephiles Going Deeper Edition. I'm your host, Nick, joined by the household. Everyone's here. How's everyone doing?

Fantastic. Great. It's so good to hear, Sierra. Fantastic. It's a great week. Anyone else not fantastic? I kind of smell, but that's my only thing. Okay.

All right. All right. Allie smells. Anyone else smell? My girl. I probably smell. Nah, they usually smell. I usually smell.

She smells delightful. She smells like a flower. I got a little bit. You smell good. Oh, Justin says I smell smell. Nah, they usually smell. They usually smell. She smells good. Delightful. I got a little bit. You smell good. Oh, Justin says I smell good. Suck it. Lots to get into. We have an amazing episode for you.

We have the iconic duo, husband and wife, Brian Kelly, formerly of Florida Georgia Line, is with us with his wife, Brittany, talking about his obviously solo career, why he left Florida, Georgia line and the relationship. We always love having a married couple on the show talking about everything that works or doesn't work or. We love to double date.

Yeah, we love to double date. Yeah, they're a charming couple. Did you double date? Well, I mean like. Well on the show it was a double date. Yeah. And like maybe we will. They like invited us to like Florida.

They invited us like to their house. I think we're besties. Ooh. Yeah, we like making friends on the show. Yeah, we love to sit here while you guys double date and watch the double date happen. Is it awkward? No.

So much to get into. Maybe this is a good time to tell you guys, if you don't know, this weekend's Memorial Day weekend. Everybody, congratulations. Most of you have Monday off, including the household. Yay. We are not going to, so like we often do on these types of weeks, if you're an OG,

you know what we're talking about. We're gonna just move everything a day. So ASNIC's not gonna be on Monday. Enjoy your Memorial Day, you know? Party. Party. Don't party. Celebrate. I don't know. No one's listening to podcasts on Memorial Day.

Asnik will be on Tuesday, Reality Recap will be on Wednesday. Dani and Nia, the only healthy couple in reality TV history so far, are with us to talk about their time in the valley. I think they have some Vanderpump thoughts as well, but they'll be with us for at least part of Reality Recap. Now, because Reality Recap's gonna be on Wednesday,

then that means that we're gonna not're gonna like another episode of Vanderpump will be out. Part three will be out in the valley but so we're gonna get into a little bit of Reunion part two in this intro so if you haven't watched just spoiler alert I don't think I think I still think you'll enjoy the conversation I won't ruin the show and And then what we don't cover, we will, you know, we'll kind of like, we'll get into parts of part two next week on Reality Recap on Wednesday. Also, Nellie is gonna have to peace out

and go to the, take a call. So she's only gonna be here for part of the intro. Don't be surprised when she just stops talking. I had a dinner last night and I sat beside Ali Luber and she was telling me all things Vanderpump. And I was like, oh my gosh, she was like, I'm coming to the show. So I saw that post and I did click on the story and I was like, how did, how did this happen? Oh, she was like, I'm so glad you're here. It was like one

of those where you're like, I don't know if I'm going to know anyone, you know, and it's like, I'm just going by myself and like, hopefully I know someone I like got there first, which is always the first I got there first. Yeah. Yeah. You got there first? I got there first, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I did a quick lap around the table, there was name cards and I was like, don't know, don't know, don't know, don't know. Ali! Did you move your cards so you sat next to each other?

No, we were actually already sitting next to each other and she was like, thank God we were or I would have moved your card. And I was like, I actually got here first, so I would have moved it first. I told Nellie to tell Ali this, but in terms of Bravo talent, she's on my definitely top most desired guest.

I find her to be one of the most interesting people in the Bravo space we don't know a lot about. She's so fun. I was gonna say, probably the most pleasant person I've ever watched on a reality TV show. And smarter than she comes across on Vanderpump. Absolutely. Yeah, so well, we'll see if we can land.

Fingers crossed. Ali. Yeah. So, well, we'll see if we can land. Fingers crossed. Ali. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. I don't know why it's been this hard, Ali. Whenever you're ready. I know. So yeah, that's what's going on. Going deeper next week will remain on Thursday. So it'll be Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Sitch.

And we have a classic update next Friday. So it is just a bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. Four episodes, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. Oh my gosh. We have a classic update next Friday. So it is just a bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. Four episodes, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. Oh my gosh. We have a great guest for you. We haven't decided who we're gonna put on next week. We've got some good options. We just wanna make it worth your while.

So it's a secret. And then, yeah, update, Ali, we got update on Friday. Great week. Cool. All right. Woo! Ali has an update on Friday, great. All right, what are we, what are you getting into?

The Brits, what's going on with the, have you guys seen the sexiest men alive for the great country of Great Britain? Allie, can you explain these people? You seem to know a lot about the Brits. Like what is, what's going on with their, what is some of the most, is it okay, like some of the most grotesque looking men?

Oh. Oh. Not what I thought. But maybe they have, maybe sexy is like a multifaceted title. Clearly, yeah, it's definitely not. Like some of these people, I'm like, you seem like you have money, which is a very sexy quality. Okay.

They, well, yes yes they're all rich isn't Prince William he's number three okay is it oh it's ranked yes the number one is like the hottest person in the UK the sexiest but isn't he like legally obligated to be on the list because he's a royal yeah that's number one that's number one that's in any he's a back-to-back number one I actually get it if you've ever watched Top Gear I'm just like he's he one. That's any, he's back to back number one. I actually get it. If you've ever watched Top Gear, I'm just like, he's- He's the host of Top Gear, the car show. He's so funny.

He's very charming. Is he? Yeah. I was like, and that show's been running for like, what's his name? Over a decade. Jeremy. Jeremy Clarkson. Did they just choose a bad photo?

Did they do something problematic not too long ago? Didn't he get fired? I don't think so. I feel like Idris Elba definitely should have been number one. Why is he number six? He should have been number one, Tom Holland should have been number two. Killian Murphy is an interesting choice.

Really? I would be fine with Killian number one. I think definitely, he's hot. I thought you- No, no, love him in Peaky Blinders. He's definitely- Too flowery in life? No, no, no, no, no. I think he just like,

he really leaned into his character on... He's a good actor. Oppenheimer. You're right, yep. He's a great actor. Maybe, yeah. But he's got those eyes at least. Piercing blue. He does. And so is like James Bond isn't on?

Daniel Craig. Daniel, yeah. Daniel Craig is not even top 10. Is he British or Australian? Daniel Craig? I'm sure he's British. Oh, these are all British people? Yeah, it's UK's.

Oh, I thought it was like, who the people in the UK thought was the sexiest people. I think it's, well, yeah, it's UK people. What UK people, UK people think are the sexiest. I need to know the story behind number nine. Who's number nine? Russ Cook. Yeah, can you open number nine. Who's number nine? Russ Cook. Yeah, can you open that picture?

Who is Russ Cook? I have no idea, but I wanna know how you made the list. Very red beard. Oh my God. Also the photo that they chose for number seven. Yeah. Can I ask a potentially inappropriate question while looking at these photos of Russ Cook?

Always. Does it even matter if you shave if you're dating a guy like that? Cause if he's down there, how does he know what's yours or his? He has eyes. Well, I guess one would be red, one would not be red.

That's a different color. Depends who he's going down on. Yeah, sure. You're saying like if you have like a big hairy bush and he's got a big full beard that at the end of the day. It's all the same. When coitus is happening, no one really knows the difference.

Coitus is. Coitus, isn't that right? That's correct. Isn't that another name for? Okay. Oh. Ooh. Yuck.

Doesn't People Magazine, when they do their like Sexiest Men Alive, don't they do like a photo shoot with these men or are they just choosing like some random profile picture that they might have had 10 years ago? And Russ Cook was the first person to ever run the full length of Africa. Holy shit.

So he's got some accomplishments under his belt. So maybe that's what the Brits care more about than- They don't care about your traditional looks department. Kind of here for it. Yeah, I don't know. I just, like they didn't, you're right, like People magazine, they have like a legit photo shoot. There's never not been a hot, sexiest man alive.

I don't know about that. I feel like everyone is like, I can see that. People lost their shit when, who's Gwen's husband? Blake Shelton? Yeah, and who objectively is a very handsome man, by all beauty standards. And we, as Americans, absolutely lost our fucking mind

as if he wasn't deserving of such a title. So, clearly, yeah, usually it's like the Ryan Reynolds and Brad Pitt's and the. Are we the problem? Patrick Dempsey. Patrick Dempsey, Chris Evans. These are shockingly sexy, attractive men. Yeah.

John Legend was once the sexiest man alive. Idris Elba has made it twice. Well, see, that's why I was confused because in the US we usually, like the people don't have to be American to be the sexiest. No, no. That's why I was like, okay.

We're inclusive. There you go. David Beckham. Right, we are. That's where I was like, okay. We're inclusive. There you go. David Beckham. Right, we have David Beckham on here. How come he didn't make this? Oh yeah, how is David Beckham not on this list? Oh, I'm so confused. Wait, that's crazy.

Well, cause so the list is UK sexiest men alive according to 2000 women on dating site. So this is like a real, yeah, this isn't like, you know, when People Magazine does this, it's like probably five people in a meeting being like, all right, who should we fucking be? Yeah. Like this is a real, this is like a scientific,

this is a real poll. What are our thoughts on doing this in general? I love it. Honestly, I'm here for it. There's a sexiest woman alive too, right? Or is it just the men thing? I think so. Okay, so this is interesting.

John F. Kennedy Jr. was on the cover. Cause I was confused when I saw Prince William. What do you mean? You don't think it's, it's usually like an entertainer, but he was, I mean, John F. Kennedy Jr. was like- Giving heartthrob. He was like, I mean, he was- Yeah, I mean, this was- It was like, yeah, sexy. I mean, he was, he was like. He was like, I mean he was. Yeah, I mean this was, yeah.

It was like, yeah, sexy. I mean he was like truly considered a sex icon. It was like that's what he was most known for. I'm here for it, I'm here for, it's good to have some superficialness in our world. Hot take I think Harry's hotter than William. I mean. That's not a hot take. No, it's not a hot take.

Okay, well he made the list. Beat with the ugly stick. He made the list. Just saying. I's not a hot tag. William looks like he got beat with the ugly stick. He made the list. They're just mad at Harry. Well that's because Harry's not in the UK anymore. William with a head of hair. As I say, he used to be the heartthrob. When he was like 20.

William at St. Andrews? He was, I'd fuck him. Oh, okay. Keep that one in. I'd watch. Keep that one in. Like, as a joke, People Magazine. Yeah. We're just.

We heard those headlines. Woo! Odd Fuck-em, Nick Vile says in the Vile Files about Prince William. People Magazine is just gonna be tuning in every day for these sound bites. Anyways. You know who's, I mean, who hasn't made

the Sexiest Man Alive list, who hasn't made the sexiest man alive list, who should? Tom Hanks. Should he? Now or when he was in his prime? Anytime. Oh. Well, clearly the UK values age, that's for sure.

They love it seasoned. Yeah. I wouldn't. Was this an attempt at a segue? Yes, but also I do, but I also do think that he should be on this, do you? It's like, why? Well, because we're going to talk about his son. Who's also, I mean, kind of hot.

But yeah. Chet Hanks is kind of hot. Chet. What a cool name. No, I didn't know that. Also, is he... I asked this for several reasons, but is he adopted? He looks nothing like his parents. He acts nothing like his parents.

I don't think so. I don't think he's adopted. Sorry, Chet. Chet is the third child of Tom Hanks and the first child born to Hanks and Rita. Oh, really? He kind of looks like Rita. So before Rita, he had two kids. I didn't, I didn't, I thought they were all Rita's.

They've been together forever. Forever. Bless. I didn't know that. Yeah, they have Chet and Truman Theodore Hanks together. Oh my God. And then Tom Hanks is also father to two other children, Colin and Elizabeth, with whom he shares with, whom he shares with his ex-wife,

Samantha Luce. I feel bad saying, but I did not know Elizabeth existed. I'm just stumped by the Truman and Chet of it all. Truman and Chet. Truman and Chet. How did we go from Truman to like cool Chet? It's like, is Tom Hanks like a fan of presidents? I thought it was a Truman Theodore.

To be fair, Chet is short for Chester Marlon Hanks. Okay, well there you go. Oh, okay. Chester. Yeah, that's much better. That makes more sense. Chester was like, I can't, I'm not doing this. I need Truman to go by True.

You know what's been kind of trending is like people posting baby names that they would name their kids. Yeah, like afternoon. Yeah, like the most out of pocket names. Francesca Fargo was like, this is my list of names. I don't know if I wanna share this one because we might use afternoon.

That's cute. The comment's like, no, babe, you can keep afternoon. But thinking about baby names is like, we don't want them to be that unique. It's not fair to your kids. I do. What names do you like? Justin is like the most basic name to exist.

So what? So like my kids, I want them to have a name that is basic. Do you have names? Okay, this one's a hot take, but like Vanderbilt. Like I think that's a really cute name. Vanderpump. Or like, no, like Vanderbilt or like Atticus or like-

I love Atticus. Sage or like something like that where not everybody has that name. I just don't know if, I don't know. I think it's hit or miss with the unique names. I want to name it. Like we found out that like when we came up with River, we didn't like, we didn't think to ourselves

that's the most unique name ever. But we thought it was like, I guess somewhat unique. We hadn't heard it a ton. I heard it more in like boys names. Sure. We've now realized it is an incredibly trendy name. By the time River is in grade school, she'll like I went to school with like seven nicks. Yep. She'll be at school with like a handful of Rivers. And honestly, good.

I'm glad, you know, because it won't be like, what's your name? Like it's kids are so fucking mean. Did you guys see that TikTok of the kids doing candy salad? And that one kid was like, my name's Ander Dingus and I brought sour patch. It's for girl. Yeah. That's so sad.

Ander Dingus. No, I do feel like if someone is going to name their child, you know, Caroline or Emily, my two sisters' names, it's gonna be like more weird than like a weirder name because everyone in school is gonna be like, you know. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. Roads and rockets and blasts. Aquarius.

Yeah, like it's all gonna be really funky, crazy names. And then like the simple names are gonna be like, ew, boring. Like the biblical names that someday will be like, never heard that before. Jeremiah, yeah. Yeah. Jeremiah's a good name.

Yeah. I think of it in context of like, when I order something at a store or like a takeout, they say Justin, 10 people are walking up. So now we're all like, is this mine, is this yours? Versus if I give them like- Are you okay? I'm not okay.

I give them a fake name. I wanna be the only person in the Raising Canes. That's real trauma right there. I do give them a fake name though, so I avoid that. What is your go-to fake name? PJ. Why? My initials flipped, but nobody else is a PJ, but everybody's a Justin.

Anyways. All right, PJ. New nickname. PJ, Tom Hanks' son. Yeah, what about Chet? Now it's not so important. Well, he just, he asked his son to explain the Drake, Kendrick Lamar beat.

Tom Hanks reached out to Chet to explain the Drake and Kendrick Lamar beat. Which is fair, because like, I don't, what's going on? I mean, I know what's going on, but I also- What is going on? They're just, they're- Are they still beefing? They're writing songs about each other.

And do you think that was- According to Chet, it seems like Kendrick. Yeah, so I think the media perception is that Kendrick won. But I think he also kind of had the last say. And why did he win? When I think he just had better disses, but I think the most recent cycle of disses, Drake released one and then like within an hour,

Kendrick released another one. So it's like Kendrick's just faster to like the- Yeah, they're just writing these songs, they're just like pumping these out. They're good at freestyling, yeah. I also heard, allegedly, cause I don't know if this is fact, but I heard that Drake had his record company

reach out to Kendrick's to be like, can we stop this? Because Kendrick's raps are that That intense savage. Yeah, he adds him with a lot of stuff uses names. It's like I called him a pedophile Yeah, I've worked out to it multiple times Yeah, I definitely worked out to when I love Mars Gets the people going. I'm reading the lyrics while I'm running. I'm like, this is nuts. When there was that feud.

You're like, Drake's such a pussy. I can't believe I ever liked you. Okay. And he's just a categorically better rapper. Is he a better entertainer though? I like Drake's. I feel like Drake has been notoriously known for having ghost writers. So then I feel like Kendrick Lamar is.

Drake made me wait two hours for a concert. I never really liked him the same after that. Deepa. Yeah, that was bizarre. Me or Drake. Drake, but I guess if the boot fits. The boot. I was just like by the time he came out,

I was like, I'm tired. I'm time to go home. It's 10 p.m. No, it was like, I'm tired. Like. I'm time to go home. This 10 p.m. No, it was like midnight. Okay. Yeah. Should we discuss Ms. Catherine Dennis getting arrested for a DUI from Southern Charm?

Is she trying to get back on the show? Justin has the theory that anyone- Bravo, yeah. I perpetuate this a lot, so maybe I'm the problem, but like commonality in the Bravo sphere that if you're becoming irrelevant, you get caught for a DUI or drinking or being reckless while drinking to stay on the next season or to be brought back.

Unfortunately, this is Catherine's second DUI, and she still hasn't been back on the show from her first one. Okay, so for her, maybe that's not the instance. Why was she out? Why did she get kicked off? Did she get fired? She wasn't a cast favorite, right? It wasn't so much that to her ex husband, or not even husband, her baby daddy, he's a very powerful family from Charleston.

And let's just say like any move that she makes, it's either she's on drug tests, she has to go to rehab. Like he makes her jumps through hoops and it's just not a good look for her to be on reality TV, to be completely honest, unfortunately. I do feel good look for her to be on reality TV to be completely honest. Unfortunately. I do feel really bad for her. She was good TV though.

Oh yeah. Well, she did have alcohol in her system. Oh, I'm not saying that she's not guilty of what she did, but I'm like, her story is actually really sad. She's been on the show since she was like 20, 21 and Thomas met her the first season and pretty much has controlled her life since then and takes away the kids, fights for custody and he even got arrested for cocaine charges

and like literally nothing happened to him but Catherine smoked weed and had to go to rehab and was like labeled a drug user, so. Well, even now the show references her as like the crazy redhead. Yeah. Like they bring that up all the time so now you know like she's the crazy redhead.

They just say the crazy redhead. They won't say her name, but they say that. Yeah. Okay. Well, I hope she gets the help she needs. Truly. Yeah. And I hope she doesn't get behind the wheel intoxicated anymore.

I feel like second DUI, that means you have the breathalyzer in your car. Oh really? Mm-hmm. Oh, I honestly, I feel like that should be a thing for all cars. Wait, that you breathalyze before you drive? Yeah. I mean, sure. Yeah. I don't cars. Wait, that you breathalyze before you drive? Yeah.

I mean, sure, yeah. I don't know. I'm just thinking where I'm just like, can I buy this car and let me- Sierra's like, what if you have like a half a drink? No, not gonna be bad. I just think it's like not a standard that everybody drinks and drives.

So I'm just kind of like- True. For that to be a standard feature, or to buy that car specifically for that feature would be a little alarming. No, but in theory, it's just like, you know, that would be one way to solve if a car wouldn't start if there was alcohol in your breath. It's like in the ignition.

You have to like blow it through in order to turn it. No. If you really wanted to solve. I had an Exit, got a DUI and had the breathalyzer to start the car. It's attached to it, yeah. Like you have to get it installed. It's part of-

Like the key goes into the breathalyzer? That's why they say it's cheaper just to Uber than it is to get a DUI. It's like $10,000 minimum. And if it's your second offense- That's before lawyer costs and all the other penalties. It's probably around $20,000, but you also have to pay to get the breathalyzer installed in your car. So yeah.

You know who else is drinking. I don't know, Nick, if you want to talk about this, but JoJo. JoJo called me up for her birthday. She was at Tyler's house. She should, she's 21. Congrats. She is embracing. Did she get punched in the face?

What? Yeah, she did say that. Right? She said she did? I'm like. On her TikTok, she was like, she was in a kitchen. I don't know if it was hers or Tyler's. And she was like, I'm drunk as fuck right now, and then she was like, I got plunged to the eye,

it's okay, it's okay. I'll tell you what, JoJo is, her execution has been flawless. She really has. I mean, people are talking about her, she has been resilient, she has had thick skin, obviously people are talking about her both with praise and a lot of criticism, but what they are doing

and what JoJo is trying to accomplish is just being in the conversation. I mean, they're doing bits about her on SNL. Like she is all over the fucking place. Like guys. Yeah, she is. And like people are just, you know, even if you're forced to listen to her music,

you're listening to her music. I mean, as you're talking right now, Karma is playing in the back of my head. It's been playing in the back of my head for months. Well, even like the Disneyland stuff, I'm like, all of you guys are like Disney adults. I'm like, the second that she's drinking, it's an issue. Like that's what everybody in the media is like,

TikTok right now is going viral for people critiquing JoJo at Disneyland. But I'm like, if a Disney adult does it, it's not an issue. No, well, that is critiquing JoJo. Yeah, exactly. And also, that's what you do. That's what you do. You drink around the world at Epcot.

There's like five rides there. People were saying- I never understood Epcot. What's the point? There's 12 different countries that are celebrated, and as you walk around, they have different signature drinks from each country. It's a lot of fun.

I did it two summers ago, and by the time we got to England, we were all speaking in accents, like, I would take a black and ton! Like, literally, like, it's so much fun. Does it change every year, the signature drink? That I don't know, because it was my first time a couple summers ago, but I would absolutely do it again. Absolutely.

Were you invited to Disneyland, or was it just Tyler Cameron that made the cut? Oh would absolutely do it again. Absolutely. That's right, interesting. Were you invited to Disneyland or was it just Tyler Cameron that made the cut? Oh, absolutely was not invited. No, no, I just got a random FaceTime call from JoJo. She knew you were leaving. Yeah, she was. I was like, she knew I wasn't coming. I flew to Florida once for Tyler.

It's never good. It's a long fuckin' trip. Florida? Florida? Oh, Disney World, yeah. Oh, especially, yeah. Theme love a theme park. Definitely not. Not even like a one and done. Like just visit it, see the attractions, and then leave.

Sure, but I've been to enough of theme parks that, you know, until my kids like... What else do you do at a theme park? Well, like, I mean, like some people go like every single year, but like I'm saying, like if you do a one and done, just see like the sets. I've been to theme parks. I've been to theme parks. I've been to theme parks. I've been to theme parks.

I've been to theme parks. I've been to theme parks. I've been to theme parks. I've been to theme parks. I've been to theme parks. I've been to theme parks. I've been to theme parks that you know until my kids like what else do you do at a theme park? Well like I mean like some people go like every single year but like I'm saying like if you do one and done just see like the sets. I've been to theme parks. Yeah. Is it the theme that you don't like or the rides? It's the people. Okay. The Disney adults. Tourist. So what about like a... They gross me out. Theme park people gross me out. Well yeah what about Mall of America? What if we bring wet wipes for you? It's like my elitist-ness is... It's beaming.

It's beaming. It's because they have so much cut fruit all over those parks. That's so true. He just gringes every time. Water parks are the worst. Being in line with people while they're in bathing suits is disgusting. It's so fucking gross. I love water parks. Oh, do not. You's so fucking gross. I love water parks.

Oh, do not. They, you can get stock infections. And a two hour line with like people in bathing suits. And then you have to sit where they were just sitting on the side. It's like going to a nude beach. It's like, you just know, I don't need to see this. Does it gross you out or is it like embarrassing to you?

I'm embarrassed for people. Not yourself though. No, I'm never embarrassed for me. But you're there. And then you're in the wave pool where like everybody is peeing. Nope, absolutely not. You couldn't pay me to go to a wave pool. Everyone's peeing in the wave pool.

I mean, obviously I'm being somewhat ridiculous right now, but yeah, the theme part people gross me out. That's fair. I've never peed in a pool though. Is that a common thing? You've never done it? I like a good roller coaster. Never. You've never peed in a pool? What Is that a common thing? You've never done it? I like a good roller coaster. You've never peed in a pool?

What if you got like a fast pass or something? No, I mean, there's a rule in which I'd go and like fast pass for sure, but like. What about a carnival? Ugh, yeah. Really? Even worse. You know the kind of people who go to carnivals?

What about the mall? I like the mall. Do you like to go anywhere in public? What about the mall? I like the mall. Do you like to go anywhere in public? What's the compromise? That's a genuine reaction of just, ugh. Ugh. You insulted his ancestors with that one. I take it back.

Nick hates Florida. He doesn't like going on planes with anyone. The whole state of Florida. Nope. I can be difficult. I have a lot of Florida. Nope. I can be difficult. I have a lot of boundaries. I have a lot of boundaries. Yeah.

Should we talk about boundaries? Yeah. Let's talk about boundaries. That's a nice segue. Yeah. Here we go. Even unintentional. I was seeing clips of Vanderpump reunion part two.

There was a scene on the reunion part two of Vanderpump where like Lala and Ariana are kind of going back and forth, and Ariana very eloquently, if she often is, is trying to explain to Lala that you don't have to agree with my boundaries to respect them, some version of that. And it really, it reminded me of, we often obviously talk about boundaries on this show, which almost kind of annoys me now,

just because now the word boundaries is another one of those overused and misused words that the internet has taken a hold of and now everyone's using it in incorrect situations and they're watering down the meeting. As we often remind people on this show that like, your boundary is often inconvenient and annoying to other people because a boundary is in you literally limiting access to people, access that they often are used to receiving.

Now what people have done with the word boundary is they've used it as a way to basically make their, you know, annoying, make their particularness or their being difficult sound better. Like I've set a boundary, but it's not actually setting a boundary. Well, technically it might actually be setting a boundary, you know?

Because it's like, hey, I don't wanna, you know, like for example, like, hey, let's do shots. I'm not a shot guy. Even in high school or college, I was like, I don't do shots. So every time example, like, hey, let's do shots. I'm not a shot guy. Even in high school or college, I was like, I don't do shots. So every time we were at the bars, everyone would do shots.

I was like, nah, I'm good. And everyone would be like, no, you're no fun. You know? I mean, that was a boundary of mine. I don't fucking do shots. You know, I wasn't out there being like, guys, sorry, I have a boundary. I was just like, no, I don't fucking shots.

You know what they called me? Not fun, annoying, difficult, or whatever. And that's the thing. It's like, when, I don't have a fucking shot. So you know what they called me? Not fun, annoying, difficult, or whatever. And that's the thing, it's like when it comes to your boundaries, like words that people or phrases that people will use to describe your boundaries are often things like difficult, annoying. People will be like, you've changed.

They might accuse you of leading them on, stonewalling you. Like the thing about boundaries is like, we all like, we want people to respect our boundaries and to love our boundaries, but as people recently have reminded people who have been misusing the word, a boundary isn't for them, it's for you.

You don't need to talk about it. You don't need to be like, this is my boundary. Just show them with your actions. I'm sorry, you don't need to name it. I don't do that. They don't have to like it. They really don't need to respect it. It's nice if people respect it, but again, most people

are going to find it obnoxious and annoying. And that's why people have a hard time enforcing their boundaries because like they don't want people to be mad at them. They want people to like them. They, you know, they don't want to, they want to be people pleasers, you know. They don't, that's why they have such a hard time about it because they don't want people to judge them for their boundaries. So then they don't enforce their boundaries because they would rather be liked than to enforce their boundary.

But now we're just saying, well, this is my boundary. This is my boundary as if like every one of them is supposed to be like, oh, it's your boundary. Well then, okay, cool. I don't wanna. I do think it's effective when communicating like, cause you're saying like you can have your boundaries But you don't need to be like sit putting it out there. I'm just saying like disclosing

I'm just saying we're you know, because we have this entitled society. We are now like would it be nice if People respected our boundaries sure. Yeah, but like and by respect I mean like they like it like appreciate all it you't wanna do a shot, it's your boundary. Oh, okay, Nick, sure, no problem. We'll just have the shot. I just, since it's your boundary, I just feel, nah, it's just like they have the right to be like,

he's no fun. Right, and they said like that there's a difference between respecting and understanding a boundary. Right. But like, so I think- Neither really are important. When it comes to friends, but like, Ariana's point I get, it's just like,

listen, if we're friends, you don't necessarily need to understand it. I just need to respect it. And since you know it's a boundary, I don't need you to agree with it. But like, just know that this is a boundary of mine. I guess I'm just here to say that like, when, you know, cause a lot of people are like, well you didn't respect my boundaries, or you didn't, you know, these were my boundaries. It's just like,

that's because like, again, by definition, boundaries are annoying to most people. Right, well that's why I agree with Ariana saying like, you don't need to respect my, you don't need to understand my boundaries, you just need to respect it because going back to your drinking example, if you say, I don't wanna do shots, the next question shouldn't be, well why?

Explain it to me, I don't understand. No, but most people are, but like, they don't say why, like in a, you know, when I was in college, it was like, to me, I don't understand. No, but most people are. But they don't say why. When I was in college, it was like, oh, Nick, of course. Party pooper. Party pooper, boring, you know what I'm saying? There was comments like that. And these are my friends.

We're just fucking around with each other. And in the Ariana Lala situation, Ariana's saying you don't need to understand it, you need to respect it with the assumption that they're friends. Like, hey, I just need you to respect it, I'm not comfortable with this. The reality is, I guess to my point, is like, a Lala is gonna have an opinion, which she does.

She doesn't understand it or respect it. Yeah, right. By saying that she doesn't understand it, she's not respecting it. Sure, but I guess I just think as a society, we act like every, you know, if we name it a boundary, then therefore people need to just be like, they're just gonna, oh, okay, yeah.

In reality, the definition of a boundary is, it is inconvenient. You are taking something away from something that they're used to getting. Yeah, so what we're- Talala was used to Ariana just being a part of the group. Right. And now Ariana's like, nah, I don't do that anymore.

And that is inconvenient to Lala. Right, she can't understand it because she's like, well, you're living with him, so make it make sense that you'll live with him, but you won't hang out in social situations with him in the group. It doesn't have to make sense to Ari, it's Halala or anyone else.

She just needs to respect. But I guess my point is, is like on the flip side, Ari, you know, they're filming a reunion, I get why they are. But like Ariana doesn't need anyone, she doesn't need anyone's permission, they just don't even need to respect it, you know? And that's part of the challenge of enforcing a boundary

is realizing that most people won't. And that you still have to enforce it, knowing that you're gonna ruffle feathers and you're gonna lose friends, or people are gonna talk shit about you, or you might be dating someone, it's like, hey, I don't do that anymore. It's just, but you've changed.

It's like, I guess, sure, I have a new boundary. Don't you hate it when people tell you you've changed? But it happens all the time when we set and enforce a boundary. It's just annoying the way we- I think it's good to say it though, because I think you're advocating for yourself in most instances.

And in that situation, sometimes you have to say boundary as a trump card for someone to actually take a step. I can understand, but I'm saying that we say it now, assuming that if we say the word boundary, it's gonna change how they feel about it. And I'm saying realistically, it's not. Well, my question then is like, so if you keep running into circumstances

with a certain friend where you're trying to set boundaries and they're either not understanding or respecting them, like is that the end of the friendship? Like, is that just end of the friendship? Is that just a sign that, okay, if you're not gonna, if people around me aren't gonna respect what I wanna do in my boundaries, then bye. It kinda depends on what it is, right?

Using the shot analogy, back in the day, I was just like, it didn't affect me to the point where I can't be friends with these people because they call me a party pooper because I don't do shots. We all survived the friendship. You know what I'm saying? But some people wouldn't.

If a boundary is important enough to you and it bothers you enough that people won't respect it, then. Well, yeah, I mean, I didn't have a drinking problem or anything like that. But let's say I was struggling with my drinking and I was really trying to minimize my alcohol intake, but every time I hung out with this group of people, they made me feel bad about it, then yeah,

I might not be able to hang out with those people anymore. Right, cause I'm trying to think like, what's the solution then? If your boundaries are annoying to people. I tell you what the solution is. It's being okay with not people liking you. Or dumping them as friends. Yeah, it's being okay with not being liked.

It's, yeah, which is part of growing up. Are you saying your issue with boundaries is the entitlement of it? I have no issues with boundaries. I love boundaries. I'm obsessed with boundaries. We've been talking about boundaries since the show started in 2019.

Because I'm an advocate for it. I'm annoyed with how people like gaslighting all these other yous, now they're just, they throw out the words. You know, Rachel on her fucking show is throwing out the word, she's suing Ariana because she's setting a boundary. That's literally what she said. She is using the word boundary.

Accountability. To make her being a shitty person sound better. And that's my problem, the way people are using the word. And when they say boundary, they are immediately expecting people to then respect it or to accept it and to be okay with it or not finding annoying or not finding it to be difficult. And I'm saying that like your boundary in reality

often is annoying and obnoxious and difficult for other people. And part of the challenge of enforcing it is being okay with that. You're not expecting people to like hear the word boundary and go, oh, right. Okay. It's your boundary. I'll drop it. I won't have an opinion of it.

I'll just, I'll just respect it. And I'm like, that's your, that's not how it works. Yeah. I almost feel like similar to gaslighting, like people misusing these words ruin the word. And it gets to a point where it's just like, okay, maybe I don't use the word boundary anymore. And I just say, I'm not drinking.

I don't want to. I don't wanna hang out with my ex who cheated on me. Gaslighting is a good example because people use it as like a power move now. So I get it in that context. But like people don't use it in a serious like you're gaslighting me. But it's like I'm trying to make a point like you're gaslighting me. You know, tell you it's like a power move.

One more time. Just say it again. I was thinking about something else. I was saying that like gaslighting is a good example to me because it's like a power move a lot of the times now where it's not like actually advocating for yourself. It's more like you're just weaponizing. Yeah, but that's the exactly you're weaponizing. I mean, that's the thing too. It's like that trump card. It's like the final thing if you want something to end a conversation

Because you could say you're gaslighting me and then it's like what is the other person supposed to say? No, I'm not the literal definition of gaslighting. It's like making you feel crazy and negating your personal experience. So it's like The definition of gaslighting is making you feel crazy and negating your personal experience. So it's like, they're trapped. Yeah, now anytime you get in a fight with someone and you feel like you're not on the same page, one person's like, you're gaslighting me. Well, have you ever,

anytime you've been in a fight, especially with a partner, do you not feel confused? That's literally the definition of being in a fight. You're like, I do not understand what you're saying. I think one thing you think another. What you are saying sounds crazy to me. And then that person might be like, I do not understand what you're saying. I think one thing you think another. What you are saying sounds crazy to me. And then that person might be like, well, what are the things people say

that accuse gaslighting? It's just like, I didn't say it like that, or you're putting words in my mouth, immediate gaslighting or whatever. You always do this. You always do, people use these words, like boundaries now in gaslighting, because they don just like not,

they don't wanna have a conversation. Like because they don't wanna talk and they don't wanna communicate. And they wanna win. They wanna win the fights. It's a trump card. Yeah, it's a trump card. Oh, guys just see now boundary.

Conversation's over. Conversation's over. Okay, cool. Carl has a new boundary. It's a, don't ask questions. Don't ask questions. Just cheerlead. Just be soft.

Just be. His boundary is to not be around someone who's soft. Speaking of Summer House, they did just, we get to see their looks for the reunion. West crushing. Should we take a look? I didn't see West. I saw Paige Queen, love her. I feel like the women always look good.

Always nail it, yeah. Amanda's like my style icon, I love her. But West had a loose fit, very on trend. I mean, Kyle's, you know, nice fitted suit. Sierra looked the hottest to me. Thank you, I'm just kidding. You're welcome. West was the most fashion forward.

He took a like, I won't even say it's a risk. He looked good, but like. Well, he's wearing like an undershirt with a suit top. Yeah. I also love the way he wears his hair. It's more about the baggy fit. It's more about the loose fit. Yeah.

I like his outfit a lot. His hair. His hair is like uncapped, but I'm like here for it. Well, he's got great hair. It's, he does. Justin looks great too. Yeah, but it's a nice fitted suit. Yeah.

The guys, they all look nice. He looks nice. I wouldn't have worn a blue suit. But Wes was the only one who was like, who either on his own or from advice from like a stylist saying, hey, like this might not be something you chose, but this will look good on you. It's the shoes.

Cause every, all the men are wearing loafers except for him. There's also a difference between wearing something and it being styled. And it's like the choice of the open jacket and the belt and like everything, it just flows together. For sure. So it's like he could have worn a standard suit,

but instead they did something different and it looks great. Also, Sierra, correct me if I'm wrong, but for reunions, everybody gets like a couple colors to wear, right? A couple colors. Like I'm pretty sure before they shoot the reunion, they give like color choices for like the talent

to shoot from. Right, because I was saying, I love that they're all color choices for like the talent to choose from. Right, because I was saying I love that they're all color coordinated in like these creams. Yeah, but I'm pretty sure like somewhere in the Housewives series, someone revealed that like, they give them like a swatch of colors. They're not like specific colors,

where like wear blue, green, whatever. Okay, I can believe that for Housewives. And then they choose. I've seen some outfits for like Summer House where someone's wearing like green sequins. So I'm like- And does it match? Yeah, it doesn't go with the rest of the vibe, but this is very color coordinated. This might be Danielle's best look, not my favorite, but her best look for.

Yeah, I was going to say of all of them, I don't like Danielle's. It's a good reunion set too. Like it looks pretty. Sierra obviously. I like Lindsay's look. She looks like Mother Teresa. Yeah. Mother Teresa. She's reminding me of the Statue of Liberty. Yeah, there you go.

Obviously Paige was gonna kill it. Kyle. Fine. I like it. I respect Kyle's fashion. Cause he always has like an eccentric, like goofy, like this doesn't look right, but it works. Did Carl get new teeth?

Carl did and people were talking about it. He did, he got veneers, not happy about it. They don't look bad. Oh wait, also Gabby looks great too. You can hear his new teeth. What do you mean? Is that a thing? What is that expression?

Say that again. Like in the way that he speaks, you can hear the veneers? You can hear how his new teeth. Like they like match each other? Not even that, but like it, he sounds different. It's like he doesn't know how to talk with them. Yeah, so it's like dentures,

like they're too big for his mouth. Yeah, a little bit. It looks nice though. It's like when we have guests on with a lot of lip filler and you can like hear that very distinct. Why haven't they figured out veneers? And like, I don't think this is not a criticism for Carl, but it's just like, why do they have veneers

that look like chiclets? Like why don't they just get, why don't they have one option, which is like these look like real teeth? Some of them look real. The issue is some people want like straight white teeth or they want bigger teeth. But like those are both not the answer

to like getting real veneers. But shouldn't there be like a specialist or a doctor who's like, hey, I know exactly what teeth that will look like better versions of your teeth, but look like your teeth. I'm sure there are. There are, but people don't go to all the same person. Yeah. And they're like, I want whatever one.

Yeah, but Carl's a, he's a television star. Look at Taylor Swift, Taylor Swift just got a new set of veneers and they fit her face so much better than her last one. Wait, Taylor Swift has veneers? Yeah. And she can still sing with them. There's a whole list of celebs who have like, who have veneers. Should I get veneers and they fit her face so much better than her last one. Wait, Taylor Swift has veneers? Yeah. She can still sing with them. There's a whole list of celebs who have like, who have veneers. Should I get veneers?

Yeah, but like Taylor had veneers. That's when she banged her, like her canine, is that what this one is? And it kind of like cracked off. So then she had those veneers for a while, but these teeth were much higher up. And then now her new ones that she got during the eras, so you can see the difference. Like they just, her face, they fit her face and her smile so much better. She also got like Botox and stuff. Are they easy to replace, veneers? Like, I guess what I'm saying, like for- I'm not a dental expert by any means, but-

They shaved down your teeth. Veneers are also like permanent. Well, could someone not like, let's say in theory, and I'm not trying to be hard on Carl here, I'm not trying to, you know, but like, you know. But given that maybe it didn't land, could like a veneer company of some kind like replace them?

You can change them. Couldn't they reach out to Carl and be like, hey bud, let's try this again? It's a lot of pain to change it though. I always think about them and it's ours. Because they shave your tooth and then they have to like put it on top of the nub. Yeah, I know that you-

So once you get veneers. That's it. Once you go veneer, you can't go back. You can't go back to your normal teeth, but they do say that if you want to replace the veneer This is according to Park Avenue dental. They just basically do the same thing as your original teeth They'll just file down the ones that you currently have and shove new ones up. No Your teeth look good though Nick. Yeah, wait, let me see your teeth. I don't know if I've ever Teeth that's a good sign. It your teeth. I don't know if I've ever looked at your teeth. That's a good smile. It's fine

I didn't have braces. I was like if you want them to be fake white just get them whitened, but don't change your teeth Yeah whitening braces I like natural teeth. You talk for a living Do not do that. No, I don't want to sound like I'm fucked people already think I have like work done No, like or mumble or whatever. It's just like... Do you want to have your Megan Fox moment and you can list off all of the procedures

you've ever gotten done? Zero? Let me see the thumbs. That would be crazy if you got veneers and then all of a sudden just had like an accent. Deviated septum, internal. When I was in college, nose looks the same. Going back to the Vanderpump reunion part two, Lala is now calling out Swartz for gaslighting Joe. Last week she was defining grooming,

this week she's defining gaslighting. She said you're doing it right in front of my face. And boundaries. And boundaries. Lala's a dictionary. And she's 0 for 3, by the way, in getting it right. Like that's not gaslighting. I don't even think Tom Schwartz led on Joe,

but what she's accusing Tom is leading him on. It's not gaslighting. Well, I guess the gaslighting could come in place when, if Joe was like, we were dating, and Schwartz is like, we weren't dating. Well, that's for the gray area of gaslighting. No, that's a disagreement on. I think that Katie jumped in too,

being like clearly she thought one thing, you thought another. But that doesn't make it gaslighting, to be clear. People having a difference of opinion isn't gaslighting. That's called a disagreement. What if they had a conversation prehand, not saying this happened, that they were like, we are dating, then this happened,

and then after he's like, we were never dating. Gaslighting would be, let's say that Joe and Tom actually had a conversation in private, and Tom said, yes, we're boyfriend and girlfriend, we're dating, I wanna do this thing. And then a week later, he all of a sudden got real distant, closed off, and Joe was like, we're dating, and Tom was like,

I never fucking said that, you're crazy. That would be gaslighting. Right, okay, so then I guess not. Well, in short, it's also sad, the thing that he liked about Joe so much was that she was away from the group and that she didn't wanna be a part of all of this and that things started to crumble

once she was introduced into the cast, or like onto the show, which I also get as well because he very much came out about Sophia. They did a whole talk about it while Joe's just crying next to him. And, but he's like very happy and very like out there about that. So it was kind of one of those,

like not hard to watch, but it's just like, I kind of, I understand how Schwartz could think that he wasn't leading her on. I can also see how Joe could feel like he was because she was his secret. Exactly, like Joe can feel let on and it could still be true that Tom didn't. That's true, yeah.

That's possible. And also keeping someone a secret. Nali and I weren't exactly like, we kept our relationship a bit private at first. What's the difference between keeping something private and keeping something a secret? Tom is in fact on TV, he is a public figure. Joe is now too.

But it's not quite the same. Is it wrong to be a little reluctant to publicly announce a relationship and then all the things that come with that? I don't know, it didn't take him very long to publicly announce his girlfriend. Fine, but maybe he was a little bit more excited about that. Maybe he had less reluctance.

Maybe Joe clearly comes with a lot of red flags. She's like literally one of the messiest people I've ever seen on a live. She like literally lost, did you see that live that where she lost her shit and like stormed off and she's like, someone asked a question. She's like, I can't believe these people. Like she's unhinged.

Well, that's why I think that hiding your relationship, the reasoning behind it matters a lot. So like, if you and Natalie, yeah, if you and Natalie decided to keep it private for a while, that's very different than Schwartz being embarrassed of his relationship. But how do you know he was embarrassed? Well, he also, he would introduce her as Joseph

or like the friend, or this is my... He introduced her. To be clear, do we all agree that people in 2024 have hookup relationships? They have hookup buddies? Situationships. They have situationships. True, and those are very nuanced. And we all accept those.

When no one's like, oh, you can't... If someone comes to us and say, oh, I have a fuck buddy, do we immediately assume that someone's being gaslit or someone's hiding the relationship or something nefarious is going on? Like, I'm not saying Tom is without criticism here. And Tom clearly could have been more empathetic and he could have been more considerate of Joe's feelings

and he could have been like, you know what, I sense she likes me more than I like her. And even though she's saying, I don't care, I don't care, I want this, I want this, he could have been like, I don't know if this is the right thing for us to do to be intimate and have sex. But that's also, people don't actually do that. And when Jo is in these types of situations,

I'm sure Jo wanted to hang out. And we saw on camera multiple times, Tom being clear of what this relationship was or wasn't to him, you know? And people all the time have people, they have dinner with friends, they introduce friends to family members, they have sex with friends.

Like people do, that doesn't make it a relationship. Especially in 2024. I agree with you, but I think that in this particular situation, they were on two different pages about it. So like in short, his mind maybe it was- But then does that immediately make it Tom's fault? Does that mean he's a gaslighting manipulative like-

I think he was leading her on during their relationship to believe maybe that, cause she did believe that they were either dating or headed for a relationship or in love with each other, right? And if he didn't, I think- Is it possible that she was delusional? I think that he was leading her on and that now he's gaslighting her after the fact.

How? Because I think that he was leading her on during the course of their whatever relationship they were having and now he's trying to make it seem like it was it was a lot less than what it actually probably was. And I think that's one lot less. And why do we assume that? Based on what? Based on, in my opinion, Schwartz's previous actions in relationships, his previous actions in life, like he kind of just... What do you mean, like, I get it, can you be more... He was married to Katie, but

pretty much, like how well do you know some words? I don't, I mean, listen, I think that they didn't show... I agree, he's a people pleaser, and people pleasing can get you in trouble, and people pleasers can have a hard time of being honest about their real feelings, and that can lead people on, sure. But like, you expect, you're accusing Tom of gaslighting Joe. Is it possible that, you know, Schwartz, for example,

again, not excusing his behavior, doesn't mean it doesn't have things to work on. But like, gaslighting is a form of abuse, let's not forget. Like, I know we like to misuse it and just throw it out there like fucking candy. But real gaslighting is a form of psychological abuse. And are we really accusing Tom of psychological abuse because he was maybe a poor communicator and didn't want to hurt Joe's feelings and kind of ignored his instincts that Joe was into him more than he was into her, even though Joe was almost certainly being like,

I want this, I want this, let's hang out, even though Joe, Tom was probably like, you know, we're just friends, we're just friends. I don't think he's being intentionally malicious about it, but I think that he, do you think it's possible that he could, you know, be gaslighting her without trying, without malicious intent? No, because when it comes to gaslighting her without trying, without malicious intent?

No, because when it comes to gaslighting, intent is like the key thing. Because gaslighting is, because having a disagreement isn't gaslighting. Feeling confused in itself isn't gaslighting. Again, when you have a fight with a partner, you're not on the same page. Sometimes when, there have been times

when Nell and I are just like, what the fuck, it's just like, what are you saying? And how, like we are on two fucking, you know what I'm saying? Like, and what, it's a common phrase that people will say that it is, we're like, I didn't say it like that,

or you know, like, or you know, you're trying to keep. You're putting words in my mouth. You're putting words in my mouth, you know, and things like that. And it's just like, or when they say you're crazy, you know, just like, we sometimes say things we shouldn't say in a fight. Sometimes we feel crazy when you have a disagreement with someone, there's a disconnect,

and when there's a disconnect, it can feel crazy. That doesn't mean people are gaslighting you. It is in fact intent. The intent is, it's like the classic one. It's just like, let's say one partner is cheating on someone else. You come home, lipstick on his fucking collar, smells of perfume, three hours late,

phone was off, GPS location turned off, comes home, and she's just like, where were you? I know something's going on. You're cheating on me. And he's just like, you're fucking? I know something's going on. You're cheating on me. And he's just like, you're fucking crazy. You're insecure. And that person is deliberately attacking and trying to minimize that person. Their intent is to confuse them and to manipulate them psychologically and make them question themselves. That's gaslighting. Being on a different page and having a disagreement

with how things played out is not gaslighting. Yeah, I also think, no, no, I also think that there, I also think that, cause I don't think Schwartz is a malicious person. I don't think that, I mean, even Brock in this second part of the reunion when they're talking about Katie and. Can I just say when Brock said this, what you're about to read,

I turn to my boyfriend and I go, is Brock secretly a Shakespearean, studying Shakespeare? Right, I agreed with everything he said. I hate that he laughed at the end of it because I think it minimized... I think he was trying to make it more lighthearted, but I was like, no, but what? Like an awkward laugh? He was laughing while he was explaining what he said.

But again, the way that he articulated himself, I was like, um, Barack has been brushing up on his reading, or else he's the smartest person on that cast, and I had no idea. I had not given him enough credit. Because it was picking up from where reunion part one ended with what Katie was talking about, about why she was venting to Lala

and how she has some insecurities, et cetera, et cetera. And then Brock kind of like leaned back to Schwartz and he said, but you're also the catalyst because you tore away all the confidence that that woman talking about Katie ever had in herself after the continuing betrayal of your actual marriage. And then Sheena jumped in and said, you were a shit husband.

Yeah, I mean, Tom was. Fucks. Yeah, and I, so again, I don't know if, like, I don't know Tom Schwartz personally, so like, I can't say that he's a bad person. I don't believe that he is a malicious bad person. But I do think that he led Joe on. And then now I do think that like hindsight is 20-20.

A lot of times you can like rewrite history in your head, unintentionally and remember something to be a different way than it actually was. And I think that that's a little bit of what he's doing here. I think that he's like, I think that he's misremembering how he treated Joe and now he's saying, it was smaller.

That might be true, but what are you basing this on? My gut. Okay, fair enough. No, I mean, they didn't show us a lot of Joe and Schwartz's like relationship. I'm curious, everything we've seen about Joe on the show and off the show is like a bit unhinged. It's a bit, you know, when you,

it's clear how Tom feels about whatever we think about whether Swartz led on Joe while they were dating now. He's been very clear about how he feels about Joe today. And Joe today is still saying things like, I think we're gonna end up together. So that same person who today can ignore all the things that Tom Swartz is saying. He has a literal girlfriend now and she's still going on public platforms and saying, I could still be with

this person. That's delusional. And so you're telling me that same person couldn't have that same delusionalness, is that a word? Same delusion? Yeah. Three months ago when they were having sex? I think it's tough because I think they're both unreliable narrators. It feels like he might have even used her as kind of the catalyst of getting back in the game because remind you that this happened shortly after him getting divorced. So he's been with the same woman for over a decade.

But again, let's not forget, and we heard this from Katie Maloney, Joe pursued Swartz. She reached out to Katie, got his number, was like, hey I want to come do your hair. You know, like there's a lot of shitty men out there and Tom clearly well documented how he treated Katie, was never there for his wife, you know, he clearly is a people pleaser to a literal fault. But like Joe was also an adult and she made her choices and she got what she wanted and she is on TV and she is monetizing her time on television and she made her choices and she got what she wanted and she is on TV

and she is monetizing her time on television and she wanted to get with Sword, she wanted all this. The only she didn't get was for Tom to like want to date her and be his girlfriend and like, I don't know, it just, I don't know. I'm curious to see what like Bravo, like when she got brought onto the show, was Bravo like you're being brought onto the show

as like as his friend? Like I wanna know how that conversation started because I feel like she might have. Tom made the mistake of allowing Joe to like live with, I mean, Tom made mistakes. Yeah, no for sure. But like that doesn't mean that he was just like, you know what, you know,

you guys are all suggesting that Tom was just like, you know what, I don't like this person, I'm just gonna use her for sex, and I'm just gonna have her over. That's not what I meant. I'm just saying like, a lot of the times when you're getting out of a relationship and somebody's readily available wanting to be with you,

it's obviously an easy choice where it's like, cool, I'm going through a heartbreak, I'm trying to understand what my life is like without this person, it's nice to have a crutch. I'm not saying that he intentionally was like, yes, I want to wreck your life and whatever. I think that he was just like, this is an easy transition. Sure, but couldn't I make the argument

that Tom was also vulnerable coming out of a marriage? I mean, maybe it's his fault the marriage ended, but that's clearly a difficult period of time, and Joe pursued him. It's fair. Maybe took advantage of his vulnerability and his loneliness. like is that possible? It's absolutely possible.

She is selling merch, so. That's, again, like why are we acting like, I just, to me, just Joe's just not a victim here. And I just like, I'm just so annoyed with the use of these terms and words and, you know, Lala every week, Lala's misdefining a new phrase that like has a much, and what annoys me about it, and if you've ever listened to this show,

you know how much this annoys me, and I'm sure many of you would disagree with what I'm saying, is that like, gaslighting is a real thing, it does happen, it is real abuse, and when it does happen, when you are a real victim of that shit, it does fuck you up, it is really damaging to people's psyche, and this is not what's going on here.

And it's just being like, this is two people miscommunicating, not on the same page, not being adults, you know. And maybe Tom probably on some degrees led on Joe, but I strongly feel that Joe led on herself. And I strongly feel that Joe aggressively pursued Tom, who was like, Tom was literally, he came on here and talked about like, listen, like Tomm at the end made a lot of bad choices with Skandoval.

But like whether we think he deserved it or not, like especially Swartz off the heels of Skandoval, like boy, he was public enemy number two to Tomm Swartz being publicly enemy number one. Everyone was telling me he's a piece of shit and fuck this and fuck that. And then here's Joe telling me he's fine. Tell him he's the only entity number one. Everyone was telling him he's a piece of shit and fuck this and fuck that. And then here's Joe, tell him he's fine, tell him he's cool. Like, is there a world in which like, Joe took advantage of Tom Schwartz? And his vulnerability and where he was at in his life? I think she might be a little misunderstood though.

And I don't base that in any evidence. I just like, something about her, I'm like, I think she's just kooky and like she wasn't meant to be on TV. And I think this amplified the fact that she was- She is kooky and maybe she's not meant to be on TV. And I think this amplified the fact that she was. And maybe she's not meant to be on TV, but we have to hold her accountable for the fact

that she wanted to be on TV and she chose to be on TV and she fought to be on TV. But I'm like, under what conditions? Because I'm like, who went out? Was Schwartz the one that initiated this? Was Bravo the one that initiated it? I don't care, she's an adult. Why are we acting like these people aren't adults?

No, but I'm saying if they- I'm just curious to know who she was before. If they brought her on as like a girlfriend or if they brought her on as like this love is gonna go further, like what was the storyline that she thought she was going into? And then like, I can see why she might be blindsided if she thought it was more, you know?

But how do we account for her several lives, none of which seem to go well? No, not at all. And then she goes back on live. She's clearly not learning from her mistakes. Well, cause she was the normal person that wasn't supposed to be on TV or shouldn't have. And like, obviously she doesn't know how to handle

everything that's going on. What about her as normal? I, again, She seems real to me. I don't know. It's real for sure. I don't know. Very authentic. I do wonder like how she was before this.

Cause I do think that there is something about like people who aren't, who can't handle reality TV going on reality TV and then the aftermath of that. Yeah, but you also choose your friends yourself. So I'm also kind of like, she chose to be around a group of people that are constantly having their lives filmed. If she didn't want to be a part of that, she wasn't forced to be. So it's like, that to me would be something that I would take into account,

that I'm like, hey, like, I don't want to be in the background of your TV show, but like we can hang out one on one. Instead. She's in the background of season 10 live like with her stuff. She wanted to be on camera. That's for sure. She needs to set better boundaries. But I think she's like, she's all bad. She's so messy because she's not a reality star that knows how to curate her. I know. But I think we say that as if that lets her off the hook. It should, yeah. And we're supposed to feel bad for her. And Swartz is supposed to know better

because he's been on T-Free for 11 years. And it's just like, I don't, I think we're way oversimplifying this. And it's just like so convenient to begin because Swartz is fresh off his being a bad husband and being way too loyal to Tom Sandoval that he must be in the wrong because here is Joe who's sad that she's not with Swartz anymore

and because she's sad somehow immediately Tom Swartz is the bad guy in this and he must have gas litter. I don't know, I just, I am brought back to a couple episodes ago where he asked Katie to have a one night stand and I'm just like. What's wrong with that though? A lot.

An adult man asked, and Katie said no. She kissed Katie's not, Katie's his ex of 11 years. I know of Kate Arthur, if you're listening, I know she vehemently disagrees with me. But I respect, I love Kate and she makes great points. It's easier for us to look outside of the situation than to like, obviously it always is, than to be in it and have their feelings attached to it.

And then to look back six months later and kind of, I mean, everybody does this. We're like, I'll have a conversation with someone and then like two months later, I'll misremember details or like change it in a way to make it feel like a better situation than it was. But the hero in our stories is one of those. I'm sure in Jo's mind, she felt let on, no doubt.

But I think she also conveniently ignored statements that he made that like clearly made it clear that they weren't. I think she cherry picked moments that she remembered and what he said, and I think she led herself on. I think it's hard because they didn't show all the moments of their relationship. It's hard to know what actually happened

without having seen it. Yeah, I just think we need to be careful before we start accusing people of words that have real meaning behind them and they are real victims of these things that we're saying because this isn't it. All it does is dilute the meaning of these words. And boundaries are an important thing

and they have real value in meaning. And then when we start just like using the word boundary because we'd rather does not be called difficult. But that's what a boundary is. Yeah, I think we just need to coin new terms to fit the different definitions. Yeah, it's just called having a conversation. Or just don't use the words at all and just say how you feel.

Yeah, it's sitting down and describing a feeling and articulating it and then, you know, hearing the person out who disagrees with you, and not trying to win, but trying to understand. You know, stuff like that. Anyway, obviously we can keep talking about this. We will continue to talk about it in a reality recap. Remember, it is on Wednesday.

There'll be a little bit of bleed over from reunion part two to reunion part three. Either way, lots to get into. We're excited to get into it with you. It is now time to get to Brian Kelly and his wife, Brittany. It's a fantastic episode. We are excited to bring it to you. So let's get to it.

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Good, how are you doing? Doing great. It's great to have you guys. It's good to be here. You guys are like us, we're like, we're Nick and Nali, you're Brian and Brittany, you got the double B's. It's kind of a thing.

What's your middle name? My middle name a thing. What's your middle name? My middle name's Edward. What's your middle name? Murray. See, now I have the same initials now that we're married. All the way through. All the way through. NJV.

Nice. So what's your middle name? Joseph. That's a good one. Thank you. Strong. Thank you. Biblical.

Yep, that's right. Edward Strong too. I like it. It's my dad's name. So that's pretty cool. Brian Edward. Yep. It's very. Edward Strong too. I like it, it's my dad's name. So that's pretty cool. Brian Edward. Yep. It's very American.

Very American. Brian Edward. Some names just go together. Yeah. Brian Edward, like, yeah. Brittany Murray, it's cute. Is that a family name too? It is, it's my grandma's name.

I love it. Yeah. I don't know, Joseph is not, it's not my dad's name. I think your mom was just going down the- The Bible. Yeah, all of them have- Well, it's not my dad's name. I think your mom was just going down the biblical. The Bible. Yeah, all of them have. Well, it's Jesus' dad's name. Yes, of course.

Well, stepdad. Well. Like earthly father. Technical. How you guys doing? All doing good, man. Just enjoying our time here. We've been eating the heck out of some food.

We've been here for a couple of days and we've been crushing some sushi, making the most of just being out here and it's been good. Love that. Yeah. You got your cowboy hats on, you got your boots on. I got it all on. I'm in my cowboy era.

I don't know. I saw the boots. I got the boots. I like those. I had a cowboy hat for a couple days and then I lost it, unfortunately. I know where we could get you a new one. Really? Yeah, I got some hookups. Okay. Let's, yeah. I left it on top. I know where we could get you a new one. Really? Yeah, I got some hookups.

Okay. Let's, yeah. I left it on top of the car, and we drove away. I feel like that's a rookie mistake. He took the hat off to get our daughter out, and then kept walking. Typically, it's like a to-go, like soda or something you leave on top.

Right, right. Not the cowboy hat. Well, damn. You left your yeehaw. I had only been wearing a cowboy hat for literally a couple weeks, and as great as they are, they are a bit, they kind of bump your head a lot.

They do. Yeah. Have you traveled with one on a plane before? Once. Yeah. That's kind of a situation. I've been trying to figure out the best way for years because they make those big hard cases you can put them in.

Great protection, efficiency of travel, kind of annoying because everybody in that? Can I ask you what's in that box? Yeah, so we started telling them it was like a Little pet hamster or gerbil or a squirrel and I'll shake it squirrel, you know Yeah, kind of kind of just freak him out for a second But I have a backpack now called the hat pack You can fit it safely in the back part of the backpack. Not sponsored. But it doesn't leave you with much for like magazines

or books or all the other stuff. Do you buy magazines? Yeah. Oh. Yeah, I do. I'll buy some fish and stuff. I'll buy, what else I'll buy? I'll buy like a architecture, you know, digest sometimes.

If, depending on who's on the cover, if I want to read, you know, about their spot. Love architecture, love real estate. Oh yeah. I'll check a GQ here and there. Style don't come easy, you know, you gotta look for it. That's why I, Nali got me into cowboy boots.

I, I, I, I'm a bit of a city slicker, as they say. Those Tacovas? They are. Shout out to Tacovas. What do you have on? These are like, no, these are like a, they're called like Texas boot. I'm pretty sure I found them at some little mom and pop's Western store, about an hour and a half outside of Nashville, Cookville, BJ's Western store. Okay.

Those look like, these are like, I feel like these are like training wheel cowboy boots. They're real, you know, I love them. I think those are fire. Those are, I have my favorite pair are just about look like those. Kind of like light tan. Very versatile.

You can do anything in those, man. Anything, yeah. I wear them every day now. When I first put them on, I was like, I don't know if I could pull these off, but no. We got those for our welcome party for our wedding, which was on my family's farm in Georgia. Sweet.

And the theme was country chic. I was like, there'll be a lot of Californians, New Yorkers, Wisconsin people coming. So I'm like, let's like have them lean in, wear some cowboy boots, some cowboy hats. So I got Nick a pair of black cowboy boots, and they're like the square toed. And he was like, I don't know about these. He's like, these are different. A little too square.

I wasn't sure, but it seemed to work. Yeah. Since he's been wearing this, he's like, I can pivot. You can really turn on a cowboy boot. You can make it twist a little bit. You really can. Yeah, I agree. Your spin. So it's really easy. can yeah, I agree your spin so it's really dance floors It's wood on wood Yeah, and then I started I guess leather maybe I'm saying daddy more, you know You said I'm my own father yes, not like yeah, I was like Yeah at our welcome party he was introducing his dad to someone he's like that's my daddy What is my daddy?

My daddy's from the south and I now that we're married I do feel I don't know if you guys felt like this when you guys got married But like, you know being from Wisconsin a city was, you know, Wisconsin's got some cowboys, but I was more the city version of Wisconsin, whatever that means. I'm not a y'all guy, you know? But now that, and having, I've been with Nellie for a few years now, but now that we're husband and wife,

I feel like I can now take things from her and it feels more authentic. You've absorbed the Southern. Like I'm allowed to say y'all. Yeah. And not have it be like a bit of a rip off, you know? And daddy, and daddy. It's not daddy.

It's not daddy. See, I'm still learning. I'm still learning how to be a cowboy. I'm from Georgia too. What part are you from? Oh my gosh, it's a tiny town called Flow Villa, Georgia. But- Flow Villa?

Flow Villa. It's like 35 minutes from Walmart, like the middle of nowhere. Yeah. But I started my college out at Georgia Southern. Oh, okay. And I used to work in Savannah. Really? At the mall, middle of the mall.

What mall? Oglethorpe? Yes. Oh my gosh. What were you doing at Oglethorpe Mall? So I was like at this kiosk whitening people's teeth. Yeah. I was the girl that youiosk whitening people's teeth. Yeah, I was the girl that you hated to see come in.

How was that getting customers? Actually, I made really good money. Yeah, I wore like the fake scrubs. Did you have to stop people at the mall? Yes, I had to be like, hi. Your teeth look yellow. Yeah, I would have been like, have you ever been interested in teeth whitening?

I need to go teeth whitening. Yeah, I could have hooked you up. She could have hooked you up. She's like, yeah. You have great teeth, but they could be whiter. They could, yeah. I drink a lot of coffee. That was my pitch, you know?

You've got beautiful teeth, but they could be better. You have beautiful teeth, but couple shades. Good teeth are great teeth. It's over for everybody when you get white teeth. You probably got a lot of sales skills that way. I did. That's real sales work right there. Yeah, totally.

That's really, yeah. But yeah, Savannah, Georgia. Wow. I'm a Georgia girl too. Oh my gosh, I love that. Yeah, we got, so But yeah, Savannah, Georgia. I'm a Georgia girl too. Oh my gosh, I love that. Yeah, we got, so our wedding was in Effingham County. Okay, yeah. And so that was a lot of fun to just have all these people

in the middle of nowhere on this animal farm. I think you would have been really impressed, Brian. I would have been. An authentic cowboy. That's right. A beach cowboy. A beach cowboy. A beach cowboy. Any kind of cowboy goes, you know.

Yeah, but yeah, I think you would have been impressed. Yeah. I was impressed. Nellie did a good job. How'd you guys meet? So I was dating a girl in Georgia back in, gosh. It's always a great start. Forever ago.

So there's a Southerner girl. Yeah. Well, we met. We met dating siblings, so it's kinda juicy. I was dating a girl and she lived in Georgia, and so we went to her family Thanksgiving, and her younger brother was dating Brittany. And so that was kind of our first initial meeting,

was Thanksgiving with the family. And everybody wants it to be like, oh, was it juicy, we're all sneaking off, was it love? And it was nothing like that at all. You were young, I was 19, you were 24. I was 25, 26, something like that. And we were like, do you guys hate this family too? Yeah, we're like, I hate this family.

No, we'd find ourselves hanging out and just like, I always thought she was beautiful, great. She was a great shot with a bow. Just like, we got along on a lot of things. She's super creative. And so we found ourselves just kinda talking here and there, but it was never romantic or anything like like that and then a couple years later We both were out of those relationships and so I just hit her up

I was like, hey, you want to come to a show and I was really we were so busy at the time It was kind of the only only way I could meet anybody or see anybody was at a show until we kind of got to a Point where we had a little bit of free time But I was like, hey come come see we're coming through Georgia And so she came to the show and we were pretty much together ever since. I mean, it was like, I thought, you know, if we're ever single at the same time, I was like, I'd probably marry that girl. Like, she is something special.

And I didn't know he was attracted to me. I just thought he saw me as like his ex-girlfriend's brother's little brother's ex-girlfriend. So when you got when you got that message, you got the invite to a show, what'd you think he was asking you? He had invited me a couple times, and when he was dating this girl, Florida Georgia Line was just starting,

literally his ex-girlfriend was helping make the logo and stuff. So I had kind of been involved in him starting as a musician, so I just thought, oh, he's just wanting people to come to his show. He just needs people. He just needs people in the crowd. We did need that early on too.

Well, because there had been a couple shows that we were literally, as the family, buying tickets and handing them out on the... So I was like, damn, he's just one cute girl at a show. But no, actually denied you a couple times. Yeah, the first time it was like, nah, I'm not gonna name the venue. It was a great venue, but she was like, no, denied you a couple times. Yeah, the first time it was like no I'm not gonna name the venue. It was a great venue, but she was like, no, it's not my scene I was like, okay sick. Well, I transferred to the University of Georgia

I thought about it forever. I go, am I not her scene or is the venue? Is that area like I don't know so I let it go. Yeah, yeah, we have the confidence to circle back Then I said hey, we're actually playing the show in a week. We're playing at the Grand Old Opry, what about now? No, it was out in a field, just muddy backstage, just kind of whatever festival vibe. It's like a fair. And she's like, yeah, I'll be there. Well, my friends from Georgia were gonna be there.

So I was like, I'm gonna go meet up with some friends. And then he asked me to come to the bus and I was like, oh God, we know what happens there. We know what happens on the bus. What happened on the bus? Well, I mean, he tried to kiss me. We had a little peck and then we just literally never stopped talking after that. And then we got married. We like dated on and off for like three months and then got married the end of the year.

So, got married December 16th. So well, you're like short engagement. Yeah, we didn't even really have a public engagement because we just wanted to keep it pretty private. He was on the come up. So we were like, just want to keep it to ourselves. And then everybody thought we were pregnant. I know, because we were pregnant, which wasn't the case at all.

We were just excited. I mean, you know, I was 28 at this at this point. And you know, I mean, like, pretty much everybody you date around and you know what you like and you wait and you know, when she was single and we reconnected and hit it off, it was like, well, we could just drag this on for a couple of years and have a long engagement and do the dance, but we could do it our own way and just like, I see the rest of my life, like let's fricking start this, like let's go. And also it was just like to find my partner in terms of love and life my wife and you know in the midst of my business and do blowing up and just kind of crazy schedule was it was just.

Awesome to have to start our family system at that moment even cuz i know probably people like why are getting married and the craziest time but it was like what makes the most sense to us you know and so. craziest time, but it was like, well, it makes the most sense to us, you know? And so it was just clear as day, like what our future was to me and to her too. I mean, it was just like, we can't wait to just get married, start our life and live, live the way that we want to live together. You've been married, what, since 13? Yeah. Going on our 11th year. Hell yeah.

Hell yeah. Yeah. We've been married for like three weeks. What did y'all do for your 10 year? We went to Courcheval, France, Courcheval 1850 and then Val de Sar, Val de Serre as well, so like a big ski trip. We sound so redneck saying this. Val de Sar. Yeah, I probably said it wrong.

France is in the country. But it was amazing, man. I mean, we we kind of did it up right. And we did a little bit of skiing, a lot of good hang time, did a little bit of shopping and just just kind of kicked it. It was it was awesome. We did our honeymoon in Bora Bora. And so we figured we did that in the sun in the sand. We'll go to the snow for 10 years.

You know, it was It was pretty lit. That sounds pretty lit. We spent New Year's there, so I got to celebrate New Year's. How have you guys kept the spark alive, as they say, as newly married people? I mean, we literally just got back from our honeymoon. God, now congratulations.

I can't wait to see what she says. We have our, you know, we just got done with the honeymoon version of the honeymoon phase. So like it's, right now it's just my wife and my husband and we're so in love. Are you guys still that, we were actually talking about that. Like right now when I'm like, when I say my wife,

like I'm excited to say it. It's the best, right? It's like there's a sense of like pride and excitement. Is it still like my wife and my husband? How do you after a whole decade, you know, well that was that yourself is like a newly married couple thousands of dollars of therapy Thousands of dollars Every day, you know, it pays me to be happy

No, um, you know, I know for me personally, I've always been big on mental health and I was a psychology major and that for me was big. And I think just simply put, like we still play, like we still cut up with each other. And if it gets too serious, you know, kind of break the ice of just being like, it's not that serious, you know?

It's not to say we've never argued or fought, but I feel like one big thing for me is, I felt like you're never gonna find the perfect person that you're never gonna have issues with. You have to find the person that you want to work through stuff with. And we just knew we wanted to like take on life's challenges, you know, cause there's always gonna be something

in the world that even if it's not you and your husband or wife, it's the world's going to throw something at you. So it's like, who do you want to figure it out with? And so we just know we want to figure it out. Even if we're pissed in the moment. It's like, just play through it, you know? My parents celebrated their 50th anniversary last year. Congratulations. Thank you. I know it was a big deal. We got to celebrate big time with them. And that's obviously rubbed off on me in a huge way. And to, my dad's 81, my mom's 75.

And so, yeah, it's just special. And to know that that's what we're shooting for. We're shooting for something that these days doesn't happen that much, as much as it used to. And so, my dad always said, love, from a very young age, like first relationships, even to get married, you know, love is like relationships are like a flower, beautiful rose. Like it needs love and attention and needs like sunlight and it needs all the nutrients

to help it grow and you have to stay on it. You can't just like walk away from it and enroll and expect it's going to stay the way it is or get any better. And so like Brittany said, we enjoy being married. I mean, like we're like two little kids. I mean, when we go out to dinner and go home and Netflix and chill and it's just us and the dogs and just very, very grateful to have each other. You know, like, you know, Brittany said life is life is going to throw you curveballs,

whether that's something with a family member or job, or you just never know what's gonna happen. And so to have, to know at the end of the day, like no matter what we go through, we're gonna have each other's backs, whether it's help dealing with, like I said, a family member or something that's going on in business or whatever it may be, getting pregnant or, you know, whatever that life brings is just knowing that like,

hey, I got your back and we're gonna figure this out together. I don't know, I just, I knew I wanted to marry her. And so like, hey, I got your back and we're gonna figure this out together. I don't know, I just, I knew I wanted to marry her. And so like, she's my dream girl. And I'm like, I still freaking fires me up, you know, really honestly. So it's like, I feel like I just feel, you know,

from the moment we got married, it was like, I found my dream girl. We're gonna continue to work on our relationship, but it also like gave me confidence to just work even harder and also professionally, just dive in. And the people that were like, you shouldn't get married so young and your career's taking off.

How old were you then? You were 25? Yeah, we got a lot of that. We got married, but the amount of time we'd been together and even then it's like we had more number one hits and more successful being married than not. Even when you're with the right person, it gives you a sense of purpose and focus. I spent a lot of energy as a single man trying to find what I have with Natalie and I feel like I have a lot more free time. You know, to focus on the stuff. And just the best muse, honestly, when it comes to songwriting. How many songs have you written about Britney?

I don't know the number. Not enough, apparently. Still working on it. I'll go write one when we get home. I feel like Florida Georgia Line, I took over country music for a long time, I mean, still is, honestly. And how was that like,

since you have been there since the beginning, how was that like, since you have been there since the beginning, like what was that like to see him like blow up in front of the world? I guess since I just knew him as that guy, like literally creating his logo and demos, I just, I don't know, I just saw him as human. So it never, to me was like, and I don't really feel starstruck in general by people for whatever reason.

I don't know, I just... I was so proud of him for being on such a big stage. But I don't know, when we were together, it just felt so normal and just... I don't know, it didn't feel... Was there a moment of like, holy shit, like, you just booked this venue or you just... Yeah, there were a couple, like Madison Square Garden, I remember being like, holy shit, this is like real serious this is like really big a lot of people like you yeah and then when we found ourselves at like parties like like we were here one time in LA and he had work over

Easter and like Cameron Diaz invited us to her house because we had met her with Ashton Kutcher and Mila taking us to a party and I'm like, what the fuck? Wait, I'm not supposed to be here. This has gotta be a simulation. Like, you know? This is Cameron's house. Oh, she was lovely. Yeah, she cooked us like a whole Easter dinner

and I had just read her book like two weeks before that. And I'm like- Are you guys still friends? I mean, I have her number, but we don't talk. I mean, I would never, I would never text her. I've never been like, I could call her, but we don't talk. I mean, I would never text her. I've never been like, I could call her right now if I wanted to. I mean, should be FaceTime Cameron Diaz. No, she was actually she was a pretty pivotal moment for me

because I feel like we were probably like four years into like the heightened FGL days, and she was just so kind to let us in her home. And at the time, I was feeling very protective of us and our home and letting new people in. And she showed us like such an example of it. Doesn't matter how huge you are, like you just keep your heart open and your home literally open to like strangers.

And I think she's like texted me after and was like, y'all are really the salt of the earth. Like never lose that. And I don't know, it was just an inspirational moment for me, cause I was like, wow, she did not have to like let us into her home or cook us dinner like never lose that. And it was just an inspirational moment for me. Because I was like, wow, she did not have to let us into her home or cook us dinner or any of that. And yeah, there's been moments like that, that I'm like, where are we? What are we doing? Why are we? What did she make for dinner?

She made like this fish plate and all these like beautiful vegetables. And she has like a book called the body book. And she like talks about eating for wellness and beauty. And she just made everything in her book that I had read like three weeks before that. I was like, this is super trippy. So yeah, there's been moments like that. Like Stagecoach obviously is like a huge show. Being on shows like Ellen

and all the late night shows were pretty surreal. Brian, what do you think it was for you? That was like this, I think I've made it. Oh man, I mean, there was a lot of points along the way. I mean, you just, everything that's coming in and everything that you're doing, I mean, you just really soak it up and like holy smokes. And it just motivates you,

all the good things that are happening. You're like, oh, let's double down, let's work harder, let's write more songs, let's continue to invest in ourselves and the live show and the fans. But I mean, there are so many moments. I mean, it was it was an incredible ride that I'm forever grateful for. And I mean, Red Rocks, one of the best venues probably in America, you know, we did three stadium shows with Nellie and the Backstreet Boys,

which were pretty, pretty sweet, kind of blending in different genres. What I loved about it was the different fan experience. Obviously we had done songs with both of them, Nelly and Backstreet Boys, separately. But to combine fans and combine forces and show, it was just, it was amazing. And selfishly, I grew up playing baseball. So to play in a major league baseball stadium

was pretty sick to play music there. What position? I pitched. I was a lefty. Played all through college and that's kind of what got me to Nashville was the journey of college baseball kind of didn't go like I thought it was going to go and took me to three different colleges, ended up at Belmont in Nashville. So quite a bit of a journey. So like being a country music star wasn't like your dream job as a kid? Being a songwriter initially. You know, like when I moved to Nashville to finish my baseball career at Belmont, I knew they had a songwriting degree,

entertainment industry studies is what I ended up majoring in, getting my degree in. But I knew I could be there to network and live there after I graduated. And really I wanted to just be a songwriter. I knew I wanted to put out records at some point one day, whether it was just like a little solo thing or super indie. Like I didn't care. Right out of college,

I was really focused on trying to get songs recorded by other people. And Tyler and I met kind of last year at Belmont, started writing a ton and then we just kind of became a duo. Like it was without even trying, it was just one of those things. And so that took us on a 12, 13 or so year journey. And so kind of back to, in a sense, kind of back to basics,

you know, as a solo artist now, both chasing solo dreams, you know, it's just, it's kind of starting over in a sense, but learned so much throughout the years of just all parts of the business, it's just, it's, it's, it's kind of starting over in a sense, but learned so much throughout the years of just all, all parts of the business, the music business, the world and touring and how to, how to work through publishing deals and record deals, negotiations and, and how to run things, how to be, how to be a boss. You know, how do you want your backstage run? How do you want your crew and everybody to treat local promoters and local stagehands? You know, how do we, uh, you know, I grew up playing baseball, travel baseball and had a coach for years. That was like, we always leave the place better than we found it. And I remember,

I thought it was a joke at first, you know, we're having to clean up the dugouts and don't they have somebody to do this after we, after we win or after we play the game, whatever. And no, it's like, you know, clean up all your, you know, Gatorades and all your stuff. And so we, we, you know, how do you handle yourself and all these situations that the music business is going to bring up. And so when it comes to that, obviously not a new artist,

but getting my voice out there right now and trying to connect with fans and really enjoying it and just the freedom to create and to be able to represent me and Brittany and like our morals and our life and what we love is just a super cool place to be. You know, I loved being in a duo and I loved playing on a team. Like I said, I played baseball and sports growing up and, you know, unfortunately that came to an end, FGL. And so just enjoying the process, you know, to compare anything that I'm doing to something that was just so extra special, lightning in a bottle is going to be, you know, try not to do that. I try to do it in terms of how to operate, but to compare it, it's kind of impossible.

So, you know, I take every day by day and just try to write great songs and try to get out there and work hard and love connecting with the fans. We played a great show in Sacramento, great festival and just feel like we're building. I mean that's really what it comes down to. Like I'm a builder, you know, I'm a maker and I get that from my dad. He still loves working, loves scheming, loves being creative and so I think I'll always do that, you know, and it's just it's fun to watch, you know, every show get better and the band get better and more fans continue to show up and you feel like you're just constantly elevating, right?

And so, yeah. How have you guys as a couple come together with you leaving Florida Georgia Line and having the breakup of the band and doing a solo artist? I'm sure that must have been, I'm sure it's had its challenges both emotionally. Obviously you have a lot of great memories

from that era, but then like, you know, it's both exciting and scary to probably, you know, try or pursue a solo act, even though you're doing very well, like change is always a little bit scary, but how has a couple of you guys come together to support one another in what is probably, I'm assuming, you know, a challenging time, where at least the unknown is always the most scary.

What's that been like as a couple? Well, I mean, like I said earlier, in the good and the bad, no matter what comes at you in life and your marriage, from day one of just navigating through a lot of different changes in our lives over the past couple years, she's like, babe, I got your back.

And we just put our heads together. We prayed a lot together. We did a lot of work together, um, with the mental health coach. And just in those times where it seems a little unclear or different than you're used to, it's like, that's when you really need to double down on working on yourself and working on how to, how to process, how to pivot literally into, um, into what the next open door is going to be. And so, you know, just a lot of time both together over dinners and walking and working

out and just, you know, talking through things and just like, hey, we got this. This is just, you know, because, you know, you said when I left Florida, Georgia line, and there's a lot of different things out there, and I didn't really come here to talk, you know, about really the details of that. I kind of talked a lot about it. If I have one second to talk about it, you know, for me, I really wanted to do both, and I thought it was a really cool idea

to continue to trailblaze for our group, what the next 10 years of success or 10 years of FGL would look like, you know, it was important to me to continue trailblazing, and also at the same time, honor my voice and my songwriting. And so the goal for me at the top of those conversations was really to keep both going, to have an extra outlet for both of us, but to continue with with FGL. And so it wasn't really a me leaving kind of scenario just to clear that up. But Brittany and I put in our heads together and just like, you know, what

hard work on ourselves, hard work through this situation is going to get us through it and hard work on songwriting and just hard work on connecting with the fans. And at the end of the day, you know, we, we have worked really hard to do our best to navigate, you know, different waters in a healthy adult head space. So that's something that we could hang our hat on and the hard work and the moving through life in a healthy adult way, you know, with no blow ups and it doesn't have to be hasty and it doesn't have to be these kinds of things that you read in other people's relationships or things gone sideways.

So for us, you know, that's something that we could, even in a time where it didn't make a bunch of sense to us and it was a little unclear and maybe a little sad at times, you know, it's like, well, we can hang our hat on how we respond and how we carry ourselves. So that was like the most important thing. And that's where both of us would just come together and just, hey, we're gonna be cool on this and we just going to keep our heads down and we know who we are and

God's got us and the fans got us. And so, uh, yeah, we're really big on perspective too. Like when we start to feel down or like something super overwhelming, just like putting things in a perspective and we were literally talk about our whole perspective, you know, like what's going on with our family? Like we're super thankful we have each other. Like, look, like we are blessed. Like, look what we have, you know?

Like, and we both grew up in, you know, families that were very hardworking, you know, blue collar families. So it's like, wow, like what a perspective to look at, you know, we have each other and we have a roof and we have food and just the basics, you know? And to each other and we have a roof and we have food and just the basics, you know, and to be thankful and write down your list

of like what we're happy about, what we're thankful for, usually it kind of shrinks whatever you're like obsessing over, you know. That's great advice. I know like fans, you know, having fans is one of those kind of double edged swords, you know, like I always remind myself that like fan is short for fanatic, you know, like and reality tv fans they can be very fanatic and it's like you

appreciate having them because obviously hey who are we without fans at the same time like sometimes like fans and can be in like and I've learned in the music industry I think those are some of the most dedicated fans you know, that follow music. But I'm curious, like, you know, obviously with your time in the music industry, with FGL, like, were there difficult moments as you became a solo artist, like having to choose between what rumors

to address with fans and what not to address, or like, did you ever feel like people took sides unfairly and how have you been able to maintain your relationship with your fans as you've you know embarked in this new career? First off country fans are awesome. I was literally just telling him this the other day like especially on my page like 99.9 percent of folks on there are so nice and even if they are confused about maybe what was going on they're like we've got your back. We love you. Or we love you both. Like, they're just so kind,

really honestly, like country fans are the best fans. Like, I agree to put that out there. They changed our lives. And yeah, they're just, I mean, I, I'm a country fan. So I feel like that's, I mean, I'm just one of, we're the same, same people, you know? And so, um, I never, I never want to forget that. I never do forget that. Like, I've been the guy trying to get, you know, Blake Shelton's autograph after a show, you know? Like, I am that guy, I've been that guy. What was it like, you know, seeing fans' reactions

or whatever they were to, like, maintain your relationship with fans, or did you ever felt, like, pulled in different directions, as supportive as your fans were? I just wonder like if that was a confusing time with like worrying about what fans might think or what they might say and sometimes we were talking about this earlier like fans are going to say things and sometimes it's just best not to respond to them because sometimes when we respond to them we give the oxygen that it doesn't need to have and things like that but like those But like those are just difficult things to figure out and navigate your relationship

with your fans, especially as you become bigger and mature or your career changes and evolves. Like how do you maintain that relationship? I thought it was really important to kind of clarify a bunch of things that have been said and kind of offer a timeline and offer my experience and my truth of kind of how things went down. And really one of the main reasons I did that

was out of respect for the fans. And that was in myself and our family and my parents and those that know the truth and know kind of how things went down. But at the end of the day, maybe it took a little longer for me to do that. But I'm glad I was patient. It probably wasn't the easiest, but at the same time, you know, it was, it was actually

ended up being the perfect timing to do that. I'm glad I waited. And I think in those situations, you really got to follow your gut. What was the biggest takeaway of the message that you gave? I think there was a lot of talk that I had left and that I wanted to do solo. There wasn't a lot of context and clarity about, I'm a pretty methodical guy and I'm very intentional about all the moves that I make. There was a lot of talk about BK this and BK that. And I just, I really wanted to give some context and say, Hey guys, I thought about a plan, you know, that looked like us continuing to go forward.

And it wasn't casual, you know, it was like, Hey, here's a great idea that allows us freedom to, you know, utilize these songs that may not fit that we've written that may not fit an FGL sound or an FGL record, but let's get use out of them. Cause if you love them or I love them, what's the point of them sitting on our little file app and only playing for our friends, right? So how do we offer our fans a different experience? And so in terms of trailblazing,

I thought that was a really cool idea. Like what if we had a three hour set live now going forward for a while that was like no openers, I'm playing some of my stuff mixed in with his stuff mixed in with 19 of our number ones You know like just a different look and it's all about the fan experience. Like I said, so I just really wanted people to hear my heart and where I was coming from and it wasn't just like a casual Hey, I'm out and some rock star BS, you know, that's that's not me and that's not how I operate So I think the timeline was really important.

Time line of people to understand that I wasn't the first one to put solo music out. And, you know, I did initiate conversations back to 2016 about having different outlets. And I just I thought the more the merrier for creativity, like, you know, when you're working with somebody that's your brother, it's like, yeah, I want you to win. I want me to win. I want us to win. I want everybody to win. And so I just thought it was really important to clear up and people hear my heart about like, I wanted to go forward. And I also wanted to need an extra outlet because, you know, I moved to

Nashville in 2007 to chase a dream of songwriting and God has blessed us. The fans have blessed us. And, you know, I just wanted to be able to share more songs. And whether they were huge or not, it wasn't about trying to trump anything that I was a part of. It was really just, or really having a serious career. It was really just about honoring yourself and your calling and just giving

life to these songs, man. You know, like I love songwriting. I mean, I was messing with songs before I came here. Like I wake up, think about titles, think about hooks. You know, how can we spin words together? How can we, what's the next greatest melody or guitar lick? Like that's what I live and breathe. And so to be, you know, to limit any artist to just one thing or one avenue, I think no artist really wants to just

do that, right? And so, but the heart of the message was like, I wanted to keep it going. And the timeline, I think was a huge one just to put out there for the fans to know, you know kind of how things Evolved into where they are now. I mean it sounds Genius it sounds like an incredible idea. Yeah was Tyler just not interested I mean is that no was it like higher ups that were like maybe we shouldn't do this No, he wasn't interested but you know, I mean, yeah. Teach their own. Yeah. Are you guys still cool? You know, we're both so busy, man. I mean, he came out with a record really

right before mine, honestly. And so I know he's been working that and he's been out on the road and same. I mean, I've been working really hard, even trying to work on some new stuff. So I wish him well. I hope I know he's doing great. And so, and I expect him to have success

and really happy for him. What do you guys like to do most together on your free time? Probably just be outside. We love being on the water, being on the boat, fishing, being out in the woods. We'll go to my family's farm in Georgia sometimes and just ride around, hunt.

Yeah, pretty chill. Really just outside, yeah. We love good food. I mean, whether we're cooking it or, you know, having a little date night. You cook? She's the boss, the cooker. Like I'm, you know, I'm flavor patrol. You're not gonna help with, you know.

What is flavor patrol? I don't know, I just off the cuff that. I feel like I'm flavor patrol too. I'm like, garlic salt, more garlic salt. Yeah, that's her. I'm like, are you gonna hit a little something? You know, I'll be in there for like two hours. Oh, you taste, okay.

Yes, yes. I feel like we are, yeah. The sous chef. She crushes it, great sous chef. I'm great at making drinks while she's cooking. He rolls up the weed so we can smoke before. There you go. We have a good time.

Our dogs, I don't know if we've talked about them yet, I don't think we have, but our dogs are a huge part of our life. I mean, just when we're home and they're out running around and just, they're so chill, like I said earlier, they're nine and 10 years old German Shepherds and they're just amazing.

We love playing with them. Sage, smoke, stone, and Sunday. Four German Shepherds? Four freaking German Shepherds. Sage, smoke, stone. I feel like sage, smoke, and stone. Are they somehow, is that related to the smoke and the smoke and the fire?

You know? It depends. It depends. Yeah, they got their names, honestly. Yeah. Yeah. They're like, what should we name this dog? I'm really stone.

Smoke. Stone. Stone. Stone's nickname is stoner. One of his like 10 nicknames. Okay. Four German Shepherds, that feels like a his like 10 nicknames. Okay. Four German Shepherds, that feels like a lot. A lot of poop.

Yeah. It's a lot. It is, and you're looking at the- Two little Labradors and there's a lot of shit everywhere. Yeah. No, it's a job. A lot of hair. Yeah. A lot of, but we've got a good pooper scooper thing.

I've got a little system down to where it's- He poops and scoops it. Oh yeah, he's poops and scoops it too. I don't- I don't mind it. Here's a funny it. Was it, oh yeah, he's poops and scoops it too. I don't know. I don't mind it. Here's a funny story. Before I moved to Nashville, this is wild. I hadn't decided I was moving to Nashville

and I was like, I don't know what I'm gonna do with my life. I've got two more years of eligibility to play baseball. I may go be like a worship leader at a church, like a church plant. And then I saw, my parents had shown me an article of a guy that was in Orlando about an hour from our House in Ormond Beach. He was making like a hundred K Being a pooper scooper hit his own little business little truck and I go Pete paint up dog shit

Yeah, I go damn if he's making a hundred K like I could probably make at least 80 maybe 120 like I'd be really efficient I love dogs. I don't mind getting it. I just need to figure out where I'm gonna take it once I get it. How old were you at this point? I was like 21. That's like, that tracks. I mean, when I was about that age, you were just always like, how, what can make me money?

You know, you were just like. I don't think it's anybody else. Yeah, you would hear like these big dollar signs, like, I could fucking do that. I got a hundred K on that easy. Yeah, like, and then I was like a couple weeks later, I was like, I had flyers made up and everything. I did a bunch of research about what dog feces does

and the runoff and the whole thing. I had a deep pitch on it, right? Then I was like, all right, screw this, I'm going to Nashville. It's time to chase the real dream. I'm going to Nashville. I'm Googling what the color of this shit means to tell the owner that they ate it.

That right there is a golden fever poop. Yeah. You're not going to want to have that in your yard, sir. He's been eating berries. Have you ever imagined how differently your life could have been that you followed through with that dream? Dude, I think about it all the time, man. And that's why I'm a big believer in following your gut.

Because I feel like I have my dream girl. We've been able to do some amazing things in terms of career and our brand, Tribe Kelly, and just from a songwriting standpoint and everything we've been able to do. I'm so grateful. It is a dream come true. And to think that one little,

no, I'm not gonna do that. Or I'm gonna wait a year to move to Nashville. All these things. I never would have met her. And I just, I can'm not gonna do that, or I'm gonna wait a year to move to Nashville, like all these things. Like I never would have met her, and I just, I can't fathom that life. I just cannot imagine it. So I have a lot of gratitude every morning when I wake up next to her, and I'm like,

thank you, Lord, this is not a dream. And yeah, cause like lives can change. Like the story of your life from one yes or no, or going through one open door that you. I think about the butterfly effect all the time. I'm not a big everything happens for a reason guy. I just think we were given free will and we make choices. And there's just so many pivotal moments.

There are certain days in my life, Natalie hears me talk about it a lot, where just certain people I met, I'm not like that good of friends with them or like, or were casual friends, but like had I not met them because they introduced me to someone else or I haven't gone to this thing, like my life could be so different, you know, just by like certain moments in my life

or just, you know, I thought I was gonna do this other career or, you know or a relationship I used to have that I desperately wanted to make it work or fix it and thank God those things, there's a country song, Unanswered Prayers, who sings that, is that a? Garth Brooks? Garth Brooks, that's a good one.

It's so true, it's just all the things that you wish would happen that don't happen, like your life could be so true, you know, it's just all the things that don't, that you wish would happen that don't happen. Like your life could be so different. There's so many moments when you go back and reflect, you know, to that end, are there people in your life that played a huge role in being where you are at today that you appreciate or give credit to that just played, either it was advice they gave you

or just they introduced you to the right person. Are there a handful of people that you really appreciate having been a part of your life? Oh, there's tons. I mean, start with my parents. My dad bought me my first guitar when I was 16 at a flea market. He's like, if you'll play it and mow the grass, I'll get it for you. Continue to mow the grass. But I mean, in terms of, I

mean, there's so many people, but Craig Wiseman, who's a legendary songwriter in Nashville, owns a publishing company and also is part owner of Big Loud Records now that that wasn't a thing when we first signed with them. But you know, he didn't, he didn't have to write with us, you know, he, he didn't have to see anything in us. I think he liked a couple of our songs, but him opening up his world, you know, at the time he had a ton of number ones and could have just, you know, had his pick of whoever he wanted to write on any day, really, you know, that kind of situation. And to know that he took us in and, you know, loved interacting with us and loved writing songs with us

enough to be a part of signing us. And that's a big deal. I've taken that with me even till today, because writing my record, Tennessee Truth, I told my team, I don't want my circle small. It's never been small. I wanna continue to grow it and kind of model it after that mindset,

because you never know who's gonna have the next best idea. You never know who's gonna walk in with an idea, whether they have something on the charts or not yet. It really doesn't matter. If you treat everybody like they're somebody, because they are, it's just a good way to live. And I think there's a lot of great opportunities that can come that way.

So Craig, definitely song mentor, taking a chance on us. And then our manager, Seth England, who was our manager for the majority of our career for FGL, definitely a huge, huge played a huge role in a lot of our career in many different ways from publishing to touring to, you know, but there's there's so many people on that list. I mean, I think anybody in entertainment or sports, anybody doing anything at a serious level

knows that it really does take a massive team and it takes the right timing and fans. I mean, it's just to hit it like that, you know, it's just, it really does take a lot of people. I mean, I think about, you know, back in the day of even leading worship at, you know, college church service to some of the family friends that we had that were help, like, kind of like Bible teachers kind of helping.

And even their encouragement back then before I moved to Nashville, hey, stay on that. Keep keep playing. It sounded good today. You know, hey, let me introduce you to so and so he plays guitar, maybe he can play with you and maybe y'all can learn something. And just so many people along the way, friends that helped me learn chords when I first started playing guitar. Hey, let me show you a couple chords.

Let me show you how to work a capo. All these different things. So it's like, it all adds up and it all means something. Is there a song that you wrote that someone else recorded that you Like wish you could like you were like I should have done that like that was damn no I mean the Jason song I wish you would recorded no, I mean Which one you make it easy? Or burning it down?

Yeah. That was one of the first ones you wrote when I was riding to Nashville. I didn't care. I mean, honestly, they would have made great FGL songs, but to me, I mean, I was such a big Al Dean fan. He's a buddy. It felt really obvious.

I was like, that'd be sick if it sounded good. You know, as like, try to put yourself in like a song plugger position. You know, they have like a, there's a position in Nashville called song plugger. It's like, who do you think would crush this song? You know? So I kind of put myself in that position in a head space

and like, Aldine would crush that. And so he had, he cut three songs that we were part of writing that were number ones. And no, I don't really have any of those. I mean, I think right now, now that I have my outlet, I'd probably be a little bit more. That's not leaving the BK camp. That song's, you know, certain, certain ones, but,

but no, I'm just, I'm grateful for everything that's happened every step of the way. Like I really wouldn't change anything. You know, I'd hang my hat on, on my truth and working hard and hunting down songs every day. And it's just, it's awesome, man. It's, it's a, it's a great life, like music leading my life. I'm just really grateful and really happy that when I can wake up and see what, see what ideas going to pop up.

What comes first, the song plugging or the writing? Writing. Writing. Got to have, got to have the, got to have the song and then the pitches start, you know? Are there people in the country music space right now that you're really admiring what they're doing in addition to obviously what you're doing, but are there other artists that you're like,

damn, I love them what they're doing and almost, you know, not that you're taking anything from it, but like you're inspired by it? Let's see here. One of my favorites, I mean, not that you're taking anything from it, but like you're inspired by it. Um, let's see here. One of my favorites, I mean, he's not new. Um, I think he's starting to pop even more than he was. Um, but I, I, Riley Green, I just like him, man. He's just down to earth.

Can we see him at stage fish? He's from Alabama. Yeah. Yeah. Great, great guy. And I just, I just really enjoy his music. You know, he's got a song, what's it called? Ain't like I can hide it, um, off his new record.

And I just, you know, he is who't Like I Can Hide It off his new record. And I just, he is who he is and there's nothing to hide. And what he sounds like is who he is. And it's just, it's authentic. And I think that's great country music. And so I'd love to work with him at some point. If that never happens, I still wanna go to his farm and check that out, hang out right around.

But no, I just, I love what he's doing. He's just, we've gotten a lot of backstage hangs because we're on the same label. So we'll find ourselves talking next to each other at parties and stuff like that and just kicking it. And he's just real chill. And I just dig his voice and his production. And I just think he's doing it right.

Very cool. What would you like to see him collaborate with, Brittany? Oh, huh. That was, Brittany? Oh. Huh. That caught me off guard. Well, Morgan just did it, but Post Malone is one of my favorite artists. Yeah. That would be fun.

That'd be cool. That would be really cool. I mean, Post Malone. I mean, I think he's like so in country music right now. That would be actual possibility. Yeah, I love Post Malone. Yeah, he's awesome, just human in general. Have you had a chance to meet him?

Yeah, we've hung with him a couple times. I just feel like he's so normal too. When you get to just sit down and hang out, you're like, oh damn, pretty cool. But yeah, I would say Post Malone. It's gonna be cool. I heard you say earlier about what, twisting words or something. Is it that like, the way you said it, it made me think immediately of Turn a Kit by Zach Brian, how he has that like, if you wanna turn and quit,

or if you need a turn kit. Is that kind of what you mean? Is that like the turning? Yeah, for sure. Is that something that you kind of think of when you're writing songs? Like, is this like a fun thing to add into songs to get like the fans?

Yeah, sometimes it slips out. Like you're just stream of consciousness with a guitar and you're just like, it's kind of spilling out and you go through like your voice memory, like, did I just kind of mumble what I think I thought I might've said? You kind of piece it together and then sometimes you get like a good line

and you can kind of sit with it and think about rhymes and sometimes it's a little bit more methodical but songwriting is such a damn mystery to me still. Like I love it. I'm obsessed with it. I respect the hell out of songwriting, the songwriting game, all songwriters, because, you know, I mean, if we're using my record as an example of just a couple of songs,

like there's days where I have a title I've saved and I've thought of in some alone time, creative time, I like to call it, like I have a song called trucks, ducks, bucks and beer. And I knew I was going to write that song that day. I saved it for this group and we nailed it. And then there's days where, you know, I have a song called doing nothing and maybe another one that I had no idea we were going to write. And it's like you try to look for the truth and the authenticity in the room every day and you try not to just rush into like the first idea,

unless you just love it and you're like, that's a banging idea, thanks for saving your A plus idea. But sometimes it takes like 45 minutes or an hour meeting and hanging with your co-writers to just get through some of the fluff of like, hey, what's good, what's good? And it's like, well, hey, I'm actually kind of going through this. Or I had this weird thought,

what do you guys think? Could this be a title? You know, and just kind of getting into the realness. And so you just never know. I mean, I think, you know, there's songs on this record where, you know, it took a couple hours to get to even like a line or an idea of that specific song. And so I just try to

be really patient and think about things and like not rush ideas. I like as we're writing and like if it's flowing pretty fast, I try to let it, we try to flow it. But if we get to a stopping point, we're kind of stuck. It's like, all right, well, if we haven't got to the hook, how do you just talk about it? How would this hook land? Do you want to land on the title, or do we need to say something different? Would it be cool to like flip it at the end? You know, there's just different ways to run it.

Cause once you've written a certain amount of songs, you're always trying to not, trying to beat your last song and not just keep it to where it's like a little bit of a formula with a little switch up. You know what I'm saying? You want it to be wholly inspired by something fresh. And so that's, I kind of equate it songwriting to fishing. I mean, the more you go, the better you're going to get.

You don't always get something, but I know it's crazy, but it is literally, I mean, there's days where you're like, ah, I wrote, you know, seven songs in a week and one of them I love for me to record. Like they're all my babies as a songwriter and I hope they find a life outside of my artistry and they mean something to me. But for me to put my name on it and to be a part of a certain record always isn't always going to land that way. And so how are you with feedback?

Like, have you ever gone to Britney and been like, what do you think of this? And are you pretty honest? Yeah, have you ever gone to Brittany and been like, what do you think of this? Oh yeah. And are you pretty honest? Yeah. Not in like a mean way, but just like I would want someone to be honest with me, you know? Yeah. I mean, Tennessee Truth is an amazing album.

You should be incredibly proud of yourself. Thank you so much. How long did it take you to finish this? I mean, I started writing for it the fall of 2022 and then probably stopped writing, shoot, April or so of 23, I guess. It's gotta be hard to like, be like, okay, I'm done. I'm done, we've got it in this year.

I've gotta stop writing. No, for real. I mean, I could tweak on it. I could still be tweaking on it, adding vocal ad libs or adding another guitar part. Do you ever do that on live shows where you almost kind of play around with your songs? Where you maybe put a tweak in here or there live

that you wouldn't do it on the album? Yeah, and sometimes that happens naturally because sometimes, depending on the song, maybe the last session that you do with a song or two on it is like, all right, the record's done. These are the last two songs and we need to song or two on it is like are the records done? These are the last two songs and we need to get these done There's not much time to live with them and then we got to get this record out So there's things like you try to think of like, okay last chorus like vocal moment you create it

Like what would I want to do here live or like have this have the last course change, you know in this moment That's different than the first and second chorus and sometimes, you know, in this moment, that's different than the first and second chorus. And sometimes, you know, you get a good one, but then after singing it live, like a bunch, you're like, oh, I should have made the record like what I'm doing live now. I switched it up, it's maybe a little bit better. But I think that's cool too, you know,

to kind of test things out. But definitely could still be tweaking on it, but I love it. I mean, there comes a point where you have to just like let go and you're like, all right, this is gonna do whatever it's going to do. I can't control what people are going to, how they're going to react or how fast they're going to react.

But, you know, typically like when the team's like, Hey, this is great. It's done. And I worked with Dan Huff, who's a legendary producer and somebody that I really, really trust. And he was like, man, this sounds great. Like I think we're good. I'm like, all right, hell yeah. We're good.

You know, And he was like, man, this sounds great. Like, I think we're good. I'm like, all right, hell yeah. We're good. We're gonna just leave it. What is a bad habit that both of you have helped the other person get better at? I know where this is headed. I called you. And I don't know if this is a habit more than something that's just happened the past year, but apparently-

What, your toenails? No. Oh my God. Oh my God. Yeah, I can't change my mind. Oh my God, what is going on with your toenails? That's, I don't know what she's talking about. He's gonna get red. No. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. What is going on with your toenails? I don't know what she's talking about. No.

Somehow I've started snoring a little bit. Oh, I wasn't gonna go there. Well, I'm sorry. What is wrong with your toenails? Are they like? He just doesn't cut them. Oh my gosh. You don't cut them.

I've taught him how. You don't cut them. Then he'll ask me to cut them. Oh my God. She's got real sensitive legs. If anything touches them. I will rip my toenails with my fingers. No.

She thinks I got scrappy things on my legs. If I barely touch it. He rips them into a point. Yeah, sometimes I just- And then cuts you. No, if it gets long enough, I'll just try to rip it off. Shoo!

That gives me the ick. Yeah. No, that's a gross one. He also, while we're on the subject, he also will chew, bite his fingernail off and then pick his teeth with that fingernail that he just chewed off. No way.

And you do. No way. A two for one? Two for one. Two for one. No kidding. It's more of a MacGyver situation. Like sometimes if I have something in my teeth

and I have nothing to pick it out, then I have to MacGyver it. MacGyver would have done that. Yeah, MacGyver would have done that. That makes sense. Also, I just want to point out, I do want to point out, and I know it to pick it out, then I have to MacGyver it. MacGyver would have done that. Yeah, MacGyver would have done that. Oh no. That makes sense. Also, I just want to point out, I do want to point out, and I know it's a disgusting habit,

but it's someone who bites their nails. They are very even. He does a great job. Those do look pretty good. I see one. Where he's like, I don't know. You spend some time on- Sorry, I haven't been to the personal manicurist

in a while, but like, that's not bad. It's not bad. That's not bad. You're disgusted, aren't you? It's fine. She's struggling. Yeah What is just written he has she or she's perfect. She's pretty damn perfect. Yeah Well, I haven't shaved my leg This light I'm like, oh shit Nick's probably looking at my bad habit is not shaving your legs every day

She's pretty on everything she's pretty on everything. I mean, she's pretty on it. I mean. You can hit me with it. I don't really have anything to, is there anything you could think of? That I don't know. Yeah. I don't know.

The idea is that you've helped this person with it. So it would potentially not even a bad habit. Maybe they, something they used to. He actually helps me not like talk so much shit that like I used to talk. Like I'll bring something up and be like, what did you think about this situation? He actually helps me not talk so much shit that I used to talk. I'll bring something up and be like, what did you think about this situation?

He's like, well, they may have been having a bad day or this or that. And I'm like, you're right. Let me put myself in check. I was just trying to talk to shit. Trying to talk shit with you, but you're right. Do you like to gossip sometimes? I don't like to gossip.

I like to chat about facts. Okay. gossip. I like to chat about facts. Love. Love. We love to chat about facts too. Love to chat about facts. Should we reframe? Yes. We have facts as well.

I'm gonna put you on the spot here since we love to chat about facts, but do you have any facts about, you mentioned that you're friends with the Cyrus's. What is going on with that love triangle? I can't, I can't comment on it. Oh, okay. She cannot talk about facts.

Brandy's my girl, Tish is my girl. You have to ask them. They would love to come on, I bet. Would they love to come on and talk about it? I bet they would. I bet they would. Brandy and Tish would so love to come on. Okay.

Okay. Will they answer those questions? They might. They might. I mean, I think they asked. Do you know the tea? I cannot confirm or do not. I'm a loyal friend.

Look at her go. She's good. She is. She's a safe. Okay. I'm a safe friend, yeah. I mean, you know. Like if y'all told me something off camera

and you're like, I don't want anybody to know this, I really wouldn't. Okay. Maybe with him. I would try to talk shit with him, but then he'd be like, they're really good people. Yeah, yeah. He'd be like, come on.

He'd be like, but Nick's fingernails. Yeah, yeah, he'd be like, come on. He'd be like, but Nick's fingernails. You're like, yeah, Nick's so fucking gross, his fingernails. Whenever he keeps a cover from my toenails, whiz is great. Yeah, let's just not circle back. Yeah, that's funny. Okay, so nothing, okay, we won't. Were you at the wedding?

No, I wasn't at the wedding, it was very private. I didn't make the cut. Were you mad about that? No, no was not at the wedding. It was very private. All right. Yeah. I didn't make the cut. Were you mad about that? No, no. Okay. No. Oh my God, I had such a good question. No, it's gone, but maybe it'll come back after our caller.

Oh, is it time for texting office hours? All right. Are you guys down to give some relationship advice? Are you gonna be able to take like, how we had all of her? Yeah. Okay. Oh, go like this.

You can go like this. It's a part of the book. From the back. Oh yeah. Oh. Oh, okay. Or, or. No, we got that right there. We got that right there. Oh yeah. Oh. Okay. Or. Or.

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stay in my marriage or if I should walk away. Okay. This is a big one. Why are we... How long have you been married, first of all? We've been married three years or four years this year and together seven. Okay. And why are we considering leaving? The top reasons are it feels like we're fighting more than getting along. Our parenting styles are causing some issues in the relationship for sure. And I think there's just like a lot of built up anger from both sides. Okay, so you have kids?

Yep, three of them. Three kids, okay. What is his parenting style and what is yours? I would say I'm more of like a laid back parent. I'm pretty open with my kids. I let them come to me with anything. Not necessarily to the extent of like crazy gentle parenting, but I would describe myself more that way. And he's more

authoritative and wants to toughen the kids up for the world and has that look in life. Can't you guys like find the balance? Because like, I think, aren't there both like, aren't there benefits to both? You know, like, you know, like, I mean, now, we, we, our daughter's only four months, right? So right now, she's just a cute little baby who eats, sleeps and shits. But like early in her young life, it's been like interesting to kind of, and we've talked about this, like it's been interesting to kind of see how she interacts with River or I do. And obviously early on, Nellie has the very protective motherly instincts. And I'm, I'm already thinking about how I'm going to toughen her up for the world, and what lessons I wanna teach her. And I think they both have value,

but why do you think there's such a disconnect with you and your husband? I think we've definitely taken that approach where we both have some things we bring that are strong to parenting. I think it's just a little easier said than put into practice when parenting things arise. I mean, our kids are varying ages now.

I feel like he just is so quick to anger. Like when they do something that I view as them just being children, he's just so quick to anger. And then it upsets me and it escalates from there. Gotcha, gotcha. I have a question. Sure. Have you ever brought in a professional to help?

We haven't. And we have talked about that. We just haven't ever done it. Okay. You kind of almost ever done it. Okay. You kind of almost seem a bit checked out. Do you want to save this marriage or are you looking for permission to leave it? I've been asking myself that too and I think my reasons for staying right now are solely like kid based and I've been asking myself a lot lately, like, is it, that's not a reason

to just stay forever? Because our kids are going to grow up one day. But that's just going to go back and forth in my head a lot. But also, your kids are only seeing their parents fight. So is this something that they're going to think is normal? You know, that's a question you have to ask. So yeah, that's what we've talked about that. Like, do we want our kids to think this is what marriage looks like? And in my head, I'm like, no, I don't want them to see it like this. The disconnect that you and your husband have been experiencing, how long have you been

experiencing it? Was it before kids or after kids? After kids for sure. And do you feel like, we're not blaming your kids, but do you feel like the responsibility and everything that comes with parenting is part of the reason why maybe you guys has kind of lost that connection? I think it definitely plays a huge role in it for sure. Okay.

Have you guys talked about any, to Brittany's point, what have you guys done to try to fix the marriage? Because yeah, all the things we mentioned, yes, kids aren't a reason to stay in a marriage, right? Solely, right? You can still be good parents separated, sure. And you don't want, it's not fair to the kids to just be two miserable people together.

But at the same time, are there aspects that you guys could work on that you haven't tried yet that might, you know, bring things back together? You know, because I guess what I'm saying is like, you guys could get divorced, you could start dating, you could meet someone else, you go through the honeymoon phase, you'll fall in love, you'll be excited. And then I don't know if you and your next partner decide to have more kids or not, but you'll other things will come up and there'll be other things that will come in between you guys, whoever your next partner is. And like Brian and Brittany talked about it before, just like a big part of just being in a relationship is this like choosing to work on that relationship every day and choosing to figure out ways to be and stay connected. And you know, it sounds like you guys stopped doing that. So I

guess if I were you I would be wondering like what could we or I have done differently because like I guess what's going to be different in your next relationship because problems in any relationship always come up and if you if you don't do anything to address them then you know you're still going to find those moments of disconnect. Right. You know I think like some of it is I'm trying to decide like, how do you let go of the resentment to like move forward? I would highly recommend an intensive, like an intensive week between you and your partner with a professional because you know, I've gone through probably four intensives now. I know we've gone through intensive together and also maintain our relationship with a mental health coach. And something really huge for us is making sure we're on the same

page with our whole perspective. And obviously your whole perspective changes as you grow up and especially if y'all weren't fighting as much before as you are now, your perspective has changed. You've brought in new humans, you know, and really reflecting on, I think it's easy to point the finger at the other person and say, oh, well you're doing this, it's not the way I would do it. But sometimes you have to reflect in on yourself and say, well, why do I want to do it this way? And as cliche as it is, you have to kind of dig into your childhood, well, how was I

raised and why do I feel this way? And then, you know, have some empathy for the other person, well, why does he feel this way? You know, did something happen with his childhood or in, you know, in his adolescence and really having a professional step in and having some like undivided time with each other to really take inventory is what we call it about what you both want, you know, because I'm sure children thrown into the mix is very confusing, you know, in a sense of what do we both want individually and then together and then for our family because those are three different things. What do I want? What do I want for my husband and I? And then what do I want for our family? And

so like taking some like serious undivided time away from your phone with a professional, taking inventory, creating your whole perspective. And that way when you get in these tips, you can step away from the kids and say, Hey, like, does this fit our whole perspective? Us arguing? No. Okay. Well, we know we want XYZ for the kids. How do we get there? And just forging your way through. Cause even when the kids are out of the house, there's still going to be stuff that comes up that you're going to have to collect inventory on and go back to this whole perspective.

But if you have a filter that you can run every single issue through and say, does this work in our whole perspective? Then you can kind of come back to reality and weed through some of the emotions. And then also if you can, I know when I blow up and I'm mad, it really does reflect on me and my experiences.

Even if he makes me mad or he says something, whatever emotion that's eliciting for me is because of something I've gone through. So it's like you both taking the responsibility to take your own inventory when you're feeling. We call it the crazy train. When you hop on the crazy train, it's like, well, why am I hopping on this?

Or why is he hopping on this? Can we talk this out? And when you can have some of this same language, then you can kind of get back to even ground. And then if you can just have this whole perspective that you know you both want to reach, then it feels, even if you're fighting, it feels good at the end, because you're like, well, we both want to be here.

We both want wanna do it, you know? So like professional help, undivided time together, collecting inventory, creating a whole perspective. There's a really great, my mental health coach, her name's Lori Jean Glass, she has a book, it's great, it's called, Hashtag Healthy Adult. And I would highly recommend that, everything you're saying is normal.

And getting more information and knowledge about how to be a healthy adult is so important and creating your whole perspective. And really reading that book, you guys could probably do that in your own home if you can't make it out to see a professional. Are you and your husband on the same page in terms of where you're at with your marriage?

I think we both know it's kind of like we either get help and fix it now or it's it's not going to work out. I think we both are hoping but I think we both have the same hope in terms of like we're fighting because we want to grow up with a family in the same home. And I think we could get back to a good place but I think it's gonna definitely take a lot of work. Sure, I mean marriages take work. It's interesting though that a lot of your frustrations with each other have to do with parenting. It is kind of, I don't know if the ironic's the right word,

but that's kind of the one thing that if you guys get divorced you'll both still be parents. And you'll have even less of a say on how they parent. That's not a reason to stay married. It's just kind of ironic that the problem or your frustrations you have with each other won't solve themselves because he'll be able to parent how he parents when he's with the kids

and you'll do your thing, and that might get even more confusing. So if so much of your disconnect and frustrations is around how you guys parent your kids, it's kind of interesting that. It's almost worth going and getting the professional help. It's worth at least a shot. Even if you get a divorce, you can still communicate.

Yeah, because that's another thing. If you guys even decide to leave the marriage, you guys are still like, you know, divorce or not, you guys are stealing each other's lives for the foreseeable future. And you're gonna have to work together even as a divorced couple. So figuring out the tools of how to better communicate,

you know, of how to work as parents, whether it's as a married couple or as a divorced couple is super important. And a mental health coach or just some sort of couples therapist or someone who specializes in that department, if nothing else, give you guys tools of how to better communicate as parents

so that you can more effectively make your kids feel loved or experience less frustration with mom and dad and things like that. And within that, yeah, there might be lanes of you guys just connecting his husband and wife. But right now you guys are just sitting and doing nothing, kind of wondering if you should just not stay together. But it feels like it's at least worth a shot to try to see if there's something there and be open-minded, you know, at least worth a shot to try to see if there's something there and be open-minded, you know, at least go in saying, who knows what could happen?

Yeah, I just wanna echo kind of what everybody said and I just wanna encourage you to get with a, you know, a marriage professional or a mental health coach and just be able to communicate together. And obviously y'all are both care about your kids and you care about your marriage It's just about setting aside time to get on the same page and putting in the work to do so, you know Brittany and I've been married we're going on 11 years and you know

We put a lot of work in and we will continue to put a lot of work in because it matters to us, you know And so yeah, I just want to encourage you Yeah, put some work in and and in and don't give up, you know? I think you'll be very proud of what you and your husband can accomplish when you put your heads together and your time together and really just focus on a healthy line of communication. I think that'll get y'all on the same page

because you obviously, like I said, care about your kids. Maybe it's a different parenting style, But that's okay. You know, in a healthy space, y'all are going to be able to communicate and find a way to meet in the middle, you know, my parents had different kind of ways of raising me and my sister and it ended up working out good. You know, they've been married for they're going on 51 years being married, you know, and so that's something really, really special. And it doesn't come easy. You know, they had their ups and downs and just figuring stuff out and always loving each other at the end of the day.

Never try to really go to bed mad and all that. But I just wanna encourage you, I think you got this. Just set aside time for y'all to get back on track. I appreciate that. You mentioned, you asked how do you let go of the resentment. What do you resent most about your husband in this moment? I think that he doesn't see how much I do every day.

And if he were here, what do you think he has the most resentment about you? I think he would think that I'm not appreciative of what he does. Well, at least you guys share your resentment, you know? It's kind of ironic that you say that though, you know? And it's probably both true. You probably are both doing a bad job

of making the other person feel appreciated because you're probably both focused more on making sure the other person appreciates you. And that's like why the undivided time is so important because really so many relational issues come down to not feeling seen and not feeling heard. You know, it sounds like- Yeah, I think we're both at that point

and just like we'd rather spend time apart because it's easier. And I think that's kind of where our disconnect is now. Like we're just like, it's easier to be I think that's kind of where our disconnect is now. We're just like, it's easier to be apart. We're not fighting. But I understand that's not working. Yeah.

I mean, don't say anything you don't mean, but maybe when you get off the phone with us, think of something you appreciate about him or that he's done, send him a note and be like, hey, I know we've been through a lot. I know we're at each other's throats, but I just want to say, I really appreciate blah, he's done, send him a note and be like, hey, I know we've been through a lot. I know we're at each other's throats, but I just want to say, I really appreciate blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, whatever it is.

I mean, especially when it comes to guys. I said this earlier, guys are simple. And if you just make a guy feel appreciated, they'll move mountains. It really, it really- Words of affirmation. It's like, they just, they're very simple people, men. And if you pat them on the back and say,

thank you, you're the best, that will do a lot of shit. And so just think of something, even if it's a small thing, and just out of nowhere, surprise them with a little bit of like, hey, I think in this department, I think you do a great job and I'm grateful or thankful. And I don't say that enough, so thanks. And when you say that, don't send it immediately so thanks and when you say that don't send it immediately wondering what he's gonna say back send it without and without

him owing you anything yes it'll be nice if he if he returns in favor but you you I think usually when couples are at this stage that you guys are at it's a lot of like well what have you done for me you know and you guys are keeping score you know and it's just like well you did this and I did that. And well, why you haven't done anything nice for me, so I'm not gonna do anything nice for you. And you guys need to let go of that scorekeeping. And then you need to start thinking about like,

just say something fucking nice and see what happens. I'll try, I'll pretty sure try it. All right, and if nothing else, take Brittany's advice. I mean, you guys owe it to each other and your kids to at least try to see if people who actually specialize in this stuff can have a positive impact on your marriage. And at least if you guys decide to get divorced, at least you guys can get divorced knowing

that you tried everything. And if you get divorced, at least you can still, hopefully, learn some tools to have an effective relationship with each other, because you're still gonna have one, because you're gonna be parents to the same kids. And you at least owe it to them to try to have at least the most productive relationship possible, whether you're married or not.

Right, that's all good advice, I appreciate it. All right, well keep us posted what you decide to do. We would certainly love an update. All right, I will. All right, well, keep us posted what you decide to do. We would certainly love an update. All right, I will. All right, well, take care. Good luck. Good luck. Thank you, guys. All right, bye.

Well, that's sad. Hopefully, at least you go try. We need to get intensive. Yeah, gotta try. What's an intensive, Brittany? I mean, it just depends. You can do like a weekend intensive or a week intensive, and you just usually go out and.

But is that like a specific class you say intensive? Is this like Ayahuasca? Yeah. Well, no, but you can do that too if you want. Okay. No, it's just, you know, sitting down with a professional and usually typically like a spot in nature. Like I know our coach, she's up in Pataluma

and Northern California. And it's just getting really uncomfortable about not only yourself, but each other and just a moment. And without, I know it sounds crazy, but like without your phone, usually an intensive, you can't have your phone at all. You have to check it in and being away from your phone and just all the distraction of what I need to do and really just focusing on really yourself. Because a lot of an intensive is reflecting on yourself and it's really uncomfortable.

And then coming together and reflecting on really uncomfortable things. That's something you guys got into just because you have a general interest in the field or was there a point in your guys' relationship where you thought we could benefit from this? For me personally, I went through some pretty traumatic things when I was 17.

So I was on my own at 17 and I just wanted to go in the field of psychology to like understand what had happened and really set myself up for good relationships, just not only with a partner, but with friends and family. Like family was really hard for me to navigate. And when we first got married, I had already had a lot of therapy

to where I knew some things that I was uncomfortable with. Like, you know, we fight jealousy or, you know, just differences in general. I could feel some things bubbling up. So I just wanted to get therapy together and separately. I know for me, like I worked on, he was already such an emotionally intelligent man and having great parents. He didn't have much to work on, but he-

Just my toenails. Just his toenails really. But I needed him to like understand where I was coming from and some of my life story and why I was reacting the way I was reacting to some things. And so like I told her, it's like most of the time when you have like this feeling, whatever it is, it's from your life experience. Not because of what he did, you know. Maybe he said something that irritated me that wouldn't necessarily irritate you, but it irritated me because it reminded me of my dad or something that was said to me, you know? And so just, I personally think it,

I think the world could have peace if everybody just went to an intensive a couple times. Really. Brian, were you, when she brought this idea to you, were you like, oh no, were you like, listen, I trust you, let's do it, whatever we gotta do. No, I was down, I mean, to do it.

You know, I thought anything we could do to, like, we were doing great. I mean, there's maybe a couple things. Well, like, men are such fixers. Yeah, so it was easy for me to just, like, hey, if it's our relationship, that's the most important thing. Like, there's anything I can learn, be a better husband and learn more about you.

And also, like, no, at the end of the day, like, I can learn more about myself, I can take what I a better husband and learn more about you. And also, like, know at the end of the day, like, I can learn more about myself. I can take what I'm learning from this relationship and how to navigate different things into like business relationship. You just learn so much. So like, yeah, it was instant. Like, no doubt about it, let's do it.

And then we've done a family intensive or two. Yeah, like even when things are great, like we're like extended family members, which I thought was really cool. And you just see the work working and it's encouraging and it's like, yeah, I'll take some more of that for sure. You know, and you kind of, I mean, Brittany has kind of said this, but you have these like these tools that you can use once you learn them, you have this tool belt of mental health that's like, oh, sick. I can take a deep breath and figure out how I can react to this and how

reaction is everything or not reacting. Or just like- Yeah, that's part of growing up and becoming more emotionally intelligent. And instead of being triggered and then reacting, it's being triggered and going, okay, wait, hold on. Like, can I respond differently? Right. Yeah, like I used to get mad and be like,

I'm getting the fuck out of here. Like in my car, leaving, will not come back ever. You'll never see me again. Yeah, so. You're a fighter. Yeah, and so just to be like, okay, well, this is where this is coming from. Let me take a moment, give me a second.

Like, you can't fix it right this second. Understanding, recognizing, and then, you you know having the right communication style. It's like you should always be able to find your way back to even ground, you know. Where do you think your emotional intelligence comes from Brian? Because I mean, as much as it seems like you and you and I are enlightened men, I don't feel we're the majority. You know, I think there's a lot of men who especially are like, I don't know we're the majority. I think there's a lot of men who, especially, I don't know exactly how old they are, but I think younger men are more comfortable

with mental health and things like that. But I think a lot of guys are still very resistant to the idea of therapy or couples therapy or things like that. Where do you think your comfort level and your emotional intelligence comes from? That's a good question. Maybe my parents, I mean, for sure I could start there.

Maybe just playing on a bunch of sports teams and over the years, you know, just being around a lot of different things and a lot of different people and types of people and just trying to stay true to yourself, you know, like and who you believe you are and who you really are and not trying to let, you know, allow the world to get the best of you. I've done a lot of soul searching over the years, you know, in terms of how to be a better

person, how to exist, you know, in a happy space. And I think, you know, years of, yeah, just whether that's being a worship leader, being involved, pretty involved in church and having a faith that is part of my everyday life, I think definitely has helped me shape, continue to shape who I am. Nobody's perfect, but you always try to wake up and be a better person than you were the day before and try to attack things in a higher level of emotional intelligence. And I'm not sure if I have the exact answer of why or how I landed this. And I'm still trying to figure stuff out.

So by no means have I got everything figured out. But maybe just my life experiences all kind of together, I guess maybe. But you take it as they come. I mean, life will throw you curveballs like we've talked about. And so you got to take them in stride and you gotta it's important. I don't know. There's just a time in life I mean, maybe it's just watching my parents But like how to handle yourself and like trying to be a good person and trying to put good positive things out in the world you know and so

that's kind of like my viewpoint my landing page of like Trying to trying to give back trying page of like trying to, trying to give back, trying to work hard, trying to be good to people, try to create a sense of community and, and what we're building and, um, also just being a student of the game, you know, like I talked about being a student of songwriting, like, you know, when, when she brought up having an intensive or bringing a family intensive or reading, reading a book or talking to our mental health coach through a transitional time of my career. Like maybe it comes from being an athlete and just

like, yeah, I'll take that. I want that strength coach. Or I want to learn a different pitch, you know, for my repertoire. And so taking it into like the mental health space, emotional, intelligence space, I think like definitely willing to always upgrade and I just think it's all about personal happiness, too you know, like if you're aware of people's feelings and the emotional intelligence aspect like you just you just want to try to try to always Upgrade that if you can so just trying to figure it out. Honestly, you know always upgrade that if you can. So just trying to figure it out honestly, you know? You're doing pretty good.

Yeah, it's inspiring. I always ask men, because it's just like, I think it feels like women are always more willing to tap into that emotional side and to work on themselves. And some of us men are, you know, some are pretty good. Some less resistant, you know? We talked to a lot of women on the show, and a lot of them were like,

I'm trying to get my husband a couple's therapy But yeah, you got to compare it to like the gym. It's like your brains a muscle You got to work it out to get a bigger brain and then you're good Did you think of your questions I think honestly they're just all about tendency truth I have so many questions about it kiss my boots is one of my favorite songs I think what was your inspiration, not only behind the album, but the name, where did, I feel like you've talked a lot about your truth today.

So what does Tennessee Truth mean to you? Yeah, there's a bunch of Tennessee truths. I mean, to kind of start at the top, you know, my dad, we have a ton of Tennessee roots in our family. And so he was born in Palmersville, Dresden in 1943, moved to Nashville when he was like two or three years old. He actually went to Belmont way back in the day where I graduated from, I've got aunts, uncles, cousins, all out in Hendersonville, Gallatin area.

So when it was his 80th birthday last year, last April, we went out to his farmhouse, the farmhouse wasn't there, but we got to go stand on his old land and to see how special that was for him at 80 years old. And he wasn't even there that long, but he had been wondering about it. So we contacted the historical society lady and she helped find where that land would have been. And he was like a little kid out there, you know, it was emotional,

special, and, um, that just hit me in a way that I wasn't expecting and didn't, didn't know I needed to see that. It was really cool. And so that element of Tennessee truth is like paying homage to my, my dad's side of the family. And, and also, you know, moving to Nashville in 2007 to chase a dream of songwriting, kind of that's another Tennessee truth is like, I've been at it for a second. That's what brought me to Tennessee was the songs and via baseball. At the end of the day, my simplest Tennessee truth is I'm no different than the people

that are going to be jamming these songs. I believe that we're kind of the same people. We have the same morals, we believe the same things, we love working hard, we love having something to look forward to. We love our country and we love who we love just we just try to live an authentic life and. These songs are just real to me and I know that you know the content of these lyrics and these songs are what a lot of people are doing that are just like me you know when on their off time they're. Fish in their hunt and they're planning their next trip with their wife or a date night they're checking their game cameras to see what's moving they They're checking their bass app to see what's biting, you know There were their worlds revolve around the same thing that mine does and so that's that's like

There's a bunch of Tennessee truths and I just thought it was a cool title to take from the song kiss my boots and make It the title of the record. I just thought it was a little different than having a song title be the record title like Kind of been dreaming of doing that for a while. And it just, it was either, you know, we went back and forth. I was like, is it Tennessee tone? I was like, that's kind of cool.

And she's like, it's Tennessee truth. I was like, yeah, you're right. It's way better. But Kiss My Boots is one of those songs where we talked about earlier. I had no idea I was going to write that song that day. That's a magic songwriting session. That's the magic of Nashville, Tennessee music city of.

Just being available for, for the day in the moment. I mean, it started that day started with a guy on zoom writing. And then I had two buddies in the room and we picked around for hours, like started a couple of choruses, worked on a couple of different songs. And I was finally like, Hey, let's take a little lunch break. I'm not loving anything that we're doing for me. Let's just take a break. We came back and my buddy who was on Zoom had to get to a gig.

So it was just me and two buddies in the room. And my buddy Dylan just threw, you know, thrown out ideas. He goes, what about comes out with the whiskey? And I was like, that's interesting. Like, it all comes out in the wash, all comes out in the whiskey, you know, throwing out ideas. He goes, what about comes out with the whiskey? And I was like, that's interesting. Like it all comes out in the wash, all comes out in the whiskey, you know? And so, uh, that was the line that started kind of us feeling like there was something we started kind of little melody. Couple of lyrics started falling out and, um, you know, we were all just pulling

from once we had, we landed on, I just kind of landed on and you can kiss my boots. And it just had attitude, and we were all just pulling from probably all the people over the years in the music industry and just in life in general of our kiss my boots list. So definitely writing from a real place, not one person specific, but it was just a magical moment,

a magical songwriting session to be able to put energy and feelings in a collaborative effort into a song that means a lot for us and at the end of the day means a lot for fans and people that hear it. It was just really cool like I didn't I didn't have Kiss My Boots title in my notes like it just off the cuff I knew that we were gonna go back to and I can't help but tell that Tennessee truth I'm cranking Hank drinking Jack cranking Hank drinking Jack, cranking Hank drinking Jack. And I knew the Oots rhyme was coming. I was like, and I was like, you kiss my boots.

Like I was like having a revelation right when I was saying it, I was like, that, that's it. Like that's the song. And so I just liked that it was just different, emotional and real and authentic. And I think there's power in putting a song out like that for people that have heard it. You know, I've been seeing a bunch of comments of people being like, man, BK, y'all nailed

it. Y'all knew exactly what I was going through. And as a songwriter, as an artist, it means a lot to me that people can relate to it. And I'm hopefully, you know, giving people their new workout jam and just an outlet for them to vent, to stay on the high road and to just, just a different kind of song that came from a real place from all of, all of us in that room that day. So that's kind of, it was kind of a crazy story how that came to be. You know, I think people have tried to frame it how they want to frame it.

And that's cool. People can do whatever they want with that song and figure out what it means for them or how, how they think it means for me. Um, but that's, that's, that's the, But that's what you get when you put a song out. But I love that song. I'm so thankful that we stuck around. I told the guys, I was like, hey, once our buddy got off, I was like, I'm down to stay late if you guys are.

Like it's Friday night, I wanna leave with something that I love that I wanna record. And that's what we left with. And I was like fired up, man. It's a damn good song. I really appreciate it. Brandi what's your favorite? Remember when I came down I was like, babe. Like sweating, smell like whiskey, it's like this is a song.

It's just different you know like I just. Well you usually don't write like I don't know you're usually more of in a positive space of songwriting and when that song came out and you came out and told me the chorus, I was like, damn, I've got to kiss my boots. So that's for sure. What is your favorite off the album? Probably Acres. Oh yeah.

I can't stop playing that one and singing that one. Yeah. Yeah. Probably Acres. Is there one that felt easier to write and one that was like, fuck, we just can't get this one done. I like, I just can't, we just can't get this one done. I just can't, we just can't figure it out. King Ranch was pretty easy.

That was down in Florida, me and Katlyn. We're in our little studio above our little surf shop we have. This old house we renovated years ago. My little studio is on the second level and Brittany was up there on the couch while we were writing it. Just like a super casual, hey, you want to go to the surf post and write a song? And it happened in maybe two hours, pretty quick. And I think we had the title,

I think we had the title, and then it was just spinning, she's the queen of my King Ranch. But I knew I was like, let's write a song called King Ranch and make it just like not a serious song in terms of like, we're going for Song of the Year and it has to be so serious.

Like, let's just write a song that feels good, that people wanna fricking jam, that can be an outlet, that's like a dope little love song about the queen of your King Ranch truck, you know? And so that was pretty easy. Like that was, they don't always happen. I hate even saying it's easy,

cause next time I write a song in the next week or something, it's gonna be really hard probably. But Trucks, Ducks, Bucks and Beer, obviously kind of simple, fun title. But that song is pretty sentimental and pretty serious. That took a second to kind of craft, you know? It didn't take crazy long, but that was like, all right, let's nail the lyrics. I think the second verse we spent a decent amount of time on because it was just really important to nail a really strong second verse and not just phone it in because we got a bang in first verse and

first chorus it's like let's spend some time and I think that second verse is better than the first I think that's when you you have a job well done when that happens you know and then anything else that was hard? Doing nothing was pretty easy. That tracks. Wasn't in the room. Let's see here. How We're Living. How We're Living was pretty easy to write once we wrote it,

but we wrote a song, a full song before that. And I had just met, I think everybody in the room, but one person I knew one guy and kind of speed writing it that was doing two days two sessions a day at that point and just getting after it and wrote a song called Still at the Bar and I was like this is a cool song I'm glad I wrote on it but I was like I'm not gonna record this and I go guys I've got more time if y'all want to write another one and my buddy started playing this like if I drank, I'm getting drunk, if I smoke, I'm

getting high. I'm like, okay, let's write, hell yeah. And then I had I just kind of busted out like round here. It's a family tradition. It's a long, long line of loving how we're living. And once we had that like melody and those those words for the chorus, I was all in I was like, this is totally probably for me. It just felt like me.

But that's just like hanging around and pushing and waiting and seeing. And it's just like kind of getting back to fishing. It's like, let's try a different bait and throw it in. It's like, let's grab a snack or. Let's move to different holes. No, for real, like move around. Let's go in another room. Let's go in the living room. Let's go back to the. Let's move to different holes. No, for real, like move around. Let's go in another room.

Let's go in the living room. Let's go back to the studio and just trying to, you know, you're there to write a song and I don't want to just write a song. Like I don't wanna just leave, oh, we wrote a song today, cool. Like I wanna write something meaningful. I want something for me or I want a song

to have a life bigger than me if somebody else records it. And it's not just a nine to five kind of thing. There's a lot of depth in what songwriters, what we do and just trying to, like I said, find the realness in the room. And also you're just navigating through all the songs you've heard in your entire life to create new melodies. It's like filtering out all the things you love to make something new.

Right. So it can take time. And then sometimes when you just have a little spark, sometimes it's all it takes. That's crazy. Yeah. It really is crazy. Yeah. So it's so foreign to me.

So I know I could, I could ask questions about songwriting all day long. I feel like it's so interesting. It's fun. It really is. Do you get writer's block? Are you like, doesn't sound like it. And I I feel like it's so interesting. It's fun. It really is. Do you get writer's block? Are you like... That's not like it.

That's not it. I'm like, let's keep going. Let's keep going. If I'm by myself, I can definitely be like, I'll sit down. I try to sit down every day at some point by myself and at least pluck some chords and just mumble some stuff over some melodies and see if there's anything there. And like, if I catch myself, I'll hit voice memo on and just like, or if I'll sit down,

I'll maybe have a title that I like already and I'll see if I can match that title with like a melody or some guitar chords to spark anything. Are you asking me for my title? Oh, I'll be like, baby, you got any titles? Just give me any title, give me a title, you know? And if I don't like her title, it'll make me think of something that I may like.

I have a running list in my notes. She's got a good little list of titles. But I'll probably have more of a chance of getting writer's block if I'm by myself, if I'm co-writing with people in the room, it's easier to get out of that. But I think really, I mean, I don't know if I've ever had a full writer's block.

I think I'll just get stuck on an idea and be like, okay, ADD or whatever, next idea. Let me get to another idea that I can maybe move forward along. But I really enjoy starting stuff by myself, like getting ideas like a little plotted out, whether that's like, typically I'm a chorus starter. That's kind of my favorite way to come in with a song. Like I just wrote a song with some buddies like a week and a half ago and I had this chorus started. You heard me singing around the house and my buddy was like, Hey, what are you doing? I'm like, I just got done with press. He's like, come over to the studio. And so we hung and I just

was messing around playing this, you know, chorus that I kind of had like half of. And they're like, that's sick. Let's finish that right now. So we finished the whole song in like 35 minutes probably. And that just started for me walking around the house going, she want a farm. Songs. She want a barn to go with it. Couple of dogs. She want to go to some chickens.

I just had this like thing that she want a farm, you know? And I don't know. I just, I never want to get away from that. Like, I just think that's like my inner voice and that's like so like how many songs do you have? recorded that The world doesn't have the pleasure of knowing Probably a pretty good amount of demos. I don't sing a ton of demos A bunch of songs written but it almost sounds like you have like another album ready to go

Yeah, a bunch of songs written, but it almost sounds like you can have like another album ready to go I could I could I mean I I'm chomping at the bit to get more music out for sure. I'm really that's like High priority. That's awesome to just you know continue to Yeah, I just think that's where the world is. I mean like the way that people consume Content, you know these days and music and everything. It's just like I gotta stay going You know because even me as a fan, I'm like, all right, sick, I digested that Morgan's new album and a day and a half. And it's got 40 songs on it, you know, now I might be more of a fanatic than other people. I love my music.

But, you know, just staying just staying on it and getting it out there, you know, serve the fans. That's awesome. That's fantastic. I know you guys have to get going. I just have a hard pivot question because you know, serve the fans. That's awesome, that's fantastic. I know you guys have to get going. I just have a hard pivot question because you guys are true crime fans. Are you following the story of the pastor and his wife who allegedly...

I have been a little bit. Oh yeah, you were gonna catch me up on that. That thing's crazy. Isn't it? Do you think he... You know, I don't know, I don't know, I need to do a little bit more. I know there's probably been a couple of breakthroughs

the past couple of days, but I will say how I need to do a little bit more. I know there's probably been a couple break throughs the past couple days, but I will say how casual he dropped it at the church service. Right? Suspicious. There's no chance I'll sh- I mean, if- if- There's no chance I'm showing up to church if I'm the pastor that day, if that happened with my wife. It was like a, oh, by the way. Yeah.

I don't- I don't- That doesn't gel with me at all. Um, I know there's some history of things going on some police calls and some things. I heard the 911 call. That was very sad. Very sad. I hate that her family and the families are going through that definitely terrible unimaginable. Um, but you're gonna need a you're gonna need to dig on that one. Um, that's

What do you what do you guys think? I think he's no good. I think he's no good. That was my first, when I watched the video of them, I'm like, I don't know how, you try to put yourself in somebody's shoes, but in that case, it's like, man, I don't know how you do that. That's not like my pastors wearing true religion jeans.

Anyone wearing true religion jeans. Anyone wearing true religion jeans. Any question. You've got questions. Brian, Brittany, this has been a real pleasure. Thanks for having me. Really thank you for your time. Congratulations on all your guides to success. I wish you so much more success in your great career.

We can't wait to hear all the great music you have clearly recorded and hopefully out soon. But really it's been so much fun talking with you guys. Please let us know where our audience can find you both. Plug anything you want to plug. I know you guys have your clothing line as well. You mentioned it earlier. You give, they gifted us by the way. We have some stuff. No way. Oh yeah. Got some cozy. Tribe Kelly stuff.

Tribe Kelly. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Some cozy Kelly stuff. Got some Tribe Kelly stuff. Yeah. Okay. Some cozy sweatsuits. Everything's made in LA. Right here. Made in USA. USA made. That was made in LA?

Yeah. So you're all out here a lot. Mm-hmm. You are. Yeah, she's out here a little bit more than me. Checking the factories and stuff. Okay. Yeah, check us out on Instagram.

It's Brian and Brittany Kelly. Yeah, Brian and Brittany Kelly. Tribe Kelly. Tribekelly.com. And hit us up. Thanks y'all for having us. Love to connect with everybody and appreciate y'all having us in awesome space

and y'all keep crushing it and keep doing your thing. We'd love to have y'all down to Florida. He's playing, let's see, a week of shows at the end of June and a week of shows at the end of July behind our surf boats. Well, we are. Come hang with us. Y'all could even do like a live,

or it could, it doesn't have to be live, but y'all could even do like a live, or it can, don't have to be live, but y'all could do like a pod set up. Oh yeah, there's a set up back there. We've got a cool little backyard. Okay. It's a vibe. You could definitely, you know. We're down.

Okay, we're down. We're still changing scenery. All right best friends. Okay. If we didn't already have our wedding, we would have invited y'all to our wedding. Aw. Well, that's really kind.

We would have. And we would have come. Well, thank you. Yeah. And we would have came to y'all's 10 years ago. Yeah. Yeah, we really would have invited you all to our wedding. Well, that's really kind. We would have. And we would have come. Well, thank you. Yeah. And we would have came to y'all's 10 years ago. Yeah, we really would have. Yeah, we'd love to have y'all in Nashville or Florida. Hell yeah.

And I get to know y'all better. Oh, well we appreciate it. What size boot you wear? 11. Okay. Mental check. Yeah, I'm a real cowboy bit. He's in it now.

No, those are perfect for you. I love digging those for you. Thank you. I don't know if I'm at snake skin level yet. You look good in shades. You just gotta go for it. Probably. Just take the jump. Just take the jump.

Well, we'll get you to kill a snake first. I think I do. I think I need to do some cowboy shit. I need to earn my struts. You do wrangle a snake. You know? Like I don't... Yeah. I want to be a real cowboy. Okay. Brian, show them I wanna be a real cowboy. Okay, Brian show them how to be a real cowboy.

Thank you guys for listening. Thank you again to Brian and Brittany. Don't forget to send in those questions at asknick at thevilefiles.com for all things Ask Nick, texting office hours, you guys know the drill. We'll see you back on Monday. Bye. You