The Viall Files - E754 RR - Danny and Nia Booko, LoverBoy vs Spritz Society, RHONJ Family Drama, and The Valley

Episode Date: May 29, 2024

Today we invite Danny and Nia Booko to our studio, as the household discusses their experience filming The Valley. But first, we discuss Craig Conover being caught in a Spritz vs. LoverBoy debacle… is Craig in the wrong for investing in a competitor? Then we jump into RHONJ, and dissect Teresa’s dominance in the arena of family drama. Ending our pop culture discussion with the infamous Four Seasons Orlando baby.  “He pitched you a sitcom and y’all ended up on a soap opera.”  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: ZOA Energy - Get some Big Dwayne Energy and order ZOA Energy today. Available online and at a store near you. Find out where you can find it at https://www.ZOAEnergy.com and fine retailers like Amazon, 7-Eleven, Costco, Circle K and more. Ibotta - Download the FREE Ibotta app to start earning cash. Ibotta is offering our listeners $5 just for trying Ibotta by using the code VIALL when you register. Chomps - Chomps is offering our listeners 20% off your first order and free shipping when you go to https://www.Chomps.com/VIALL  Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @realniasanchez @danielbooko @ciaracrobinson @justinkaphillips @leahgsilberstein @dereklanerussell Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 09:28 - Lake House 11:24 - Loverboy and Spritz Society 24:37 - Summerhouse 51:08 - RHONJ 01:04:55 - Four Seasons Baby 01:11:20 - Welcome 01:18:14 - The Valley 01:53:52 - Jo VPR 01:55:27 - Back To The Valley 02:09:44 - Outro

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three audiobooks on the house. Sign up for your free trial at audiobooks.com slash podcast free today. That's audiobooks.com slash podcast F R E E. What's going on everybody. Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vyfiles Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick. We got the household with us and we got a lot to get into. I know it's Wednesday, so thank you guys for adjusting your schedules. I hope this didn't confuse most of you.

As we mentioned, it is Wednesday. It's a little bit of disjointed, because we have the Vanderpump and the Valley episodes finale was last night which we're not gonna actually get into Vanderpump reunion part three today we're gonna get that in tomorrow for ongoing deeper our reality roundup portion the intro we're gonna start things off talking about Vanderpump episode 3 and then we have Emma Hernan from sellingset with us tomorrow on Going Deeper as well. That was a fun episode. Yeah. Yeah. Loved her.

Loved. What else? Housekeeping notes. But also today, Nia and Danny from the Valley are with us to talk about their little hiccup and a bit of a fight last night on the valley which we'll get into the meats and potatoes of it next week other than the Danny stuff but boy it was enlightening. Can they make it? Will they make it? So many questions. Little disappointed in Daniel but hopefully there's an explanation. Maybe it was just like you had a bad day you know. That's a problem with reality TV I think sometimes and I'm curious to ask them because again,

I don't, like Nellie and I would never do this. I don't know if you would ever do a show like this with Connor. Nope. Just because, you know, like Nellie and I, we try to be, you know, she's on the show now. We, you know, we're in the public eye. Sure, we talk about a relationship from time to time,

but we're not reality TV stars. We did not sign up to put our entire lives, our entire relationship out to the public, just because it's not a recipe for success. I mean, for us, like maintaining our relationship is doing all the work behind the scenes. And yeah, we're thankful that we have so many more great days than not great days than the not

great days but every relationship is hard work and then there's a grind and sometimes you're upset with each other and frustrated and sometimes you're disconnected and all those things you know that even the healthiest relationships have. Yeah I feel like everybody would like to think that they could survive a reality show like this and then when you actually get there, I mean I have no experience at all so I don't know but I'm assuming it's a lot harder than it looks. Everyone thinks they'll beat the odds.

Your whole job is to bring the drama. Bring the drama and again I don't know, like Nally and I for us, we don't have rules per se but one thing we talk a lot about is being a team, being united in front, protecting each other, not feeling the need. I always remind, I've had a little bit more experience in the public eye, but now Nali reminds me too.

Sometimes I'll remind her of things and I'll need her to remind me. But we don't owe anyone anything. We don't have to answer every question asked. Sometimes, weekly, I should do it, I haven't done it in a while, but those weekly Ask Me Anythings, where I do questions with Nick and it's a lot of relationship advice.

Like on your Instagram story? Yeah, yeah. Well, people don't see your questions. You know what I'm saying? I'll get hundreds, thousands of questions, and a lot of, again, relationship advice. And there is something, the psychology of it. I know that people don't see of questions, and a lot of, again, relationship advice. And there is something like the psychology of it. Like I know that people don't see the questions,

so I can look at all the questions and I can decide which ones you answer, but you get in a rhythm of answering just like whatever questions, and there's this feeling of not wanting to be rude, or to answer every question, the pressure. You almost feel like you owe an answer. of not wanting to be rude or to answer every question. The pressure. You almost feel like you owe an answer.

And some, and just, but answers in general, like forget about doing an Ask Me Anything, but like I think when you are in the public eye, there is that feeling of you have to be authentic or at times where it's just like, no, not everything is for everybody, but if you are Danny and Jess or Brittany and Jax or Jess and Michelle, it's literally part of your job.

Which is why it's just like, you know, for other times people was like, what, you and Nellie ever do something? It's just like, no, you know? Like if our relationship was the focus and part of that focus was to be authentic and show our cracks and show the things that we have to work on and then talk about each other

and confessional about each other's, behind each other's backs in the spirit of authenticity. I don't, you know, there's a reason why so many of those relationships don't work out. Also making a reality TV show, even if you have 47 good days and one bad day, that one bad day is what's gonna make it on air. Yeah, you know, we also saw Danny from last night

and it's like, holy shit, Dan, you know, it's just like, you know, but not condoning how behavior, but that's it. That is the problem with social media and TV. It's just like, we act like we have to be perfect. You know, like that, that even the best relationships, there aren't moments where you have to apologize. Or even, even the healthiest relationships,

there are moments where you have to say, I'm so sorry. I can't believe I hurt you like that. Shit, you know, that's life. But on these types of shows, everything is magnified and glorified. Would you do like a game show though? Cause I'm thinking back to last season of Traders where Andy Cohen basically was like,

there's a cultural difference between like, let's say Bravo stars and then like game show people. For sure. Where like Bravo, it's more personal. I'm saying Nellie and I would never do some kind of docu-series, RAD TV star, where us as people and by proxy our relationship, like Brittany and Jax or Danny and Nia,

like is the focus. And, you know, real housewives, you know, where they, to be on the show, Danny and Nia, is the focus. Or Real Housewives, where they, to be on the show, we hear all these rumors where it's just like, Dorit, you have to talk about your separation from PK or you won't be on the show. Which, as I always say, for all the, we enjoy talking about these people,

we enjoy watching these people, and we enjoy criticizing these people at times. But I do think we always have to acknowledge, they are giving. We can sit there and question, why would you even do this? But they are doing it, and we do enjoy watching it, and we do enjoy their willingness to give us that material so that then we can have the commentary on it.

And I do think we have to recognize that. That it is a sacrifice these people are making. A sacrifice I wouldn't even, I think sometimes people are crazy to make, but a sacrifice nonetheless. And we can criticize all, well, why are you doing it? Maybe you're doing it just for fame, whatever. But nevertheless, we want these people to do the thing

that we would say, I can't believe you're doing. Yeah, and you also never know what situations you're gonna be put in because of the show that, you know, for example, in the Valley in, in last week's episode, they're having boy chat and they're all sitting outside and, you know, Jesse's bringing things up, Jax is bringing things up.

And like, when you're having boy chat and they're bringing certain things up about their wives. Like I would fucking never. Right, it's hard, cause then it's like, do you wanna be part of the conversation? Are you gonna engage? Are you gonna talk about your wife? That's the tough part, right?

Because, like, yeah, you don't want to feel like you're not... I wouldn't... I mean, even forget about TV. You know, like, I just... That's not how Natalie and I operate. Like, I wouldn't get together with my guy friends. Like, guys I grew up with in high school. And, you know, if one of them came to me in like some kind of, hey, Nick, I really need to talk,

me and so and so were having problems. Even then, I would never bring up, I would never use something about my relationship or talk about Nellie in a way that was in any way negative, just for an example. If I had Nell Natalie's permission, sure. If it was like, hey, I wanna talk about this. If I had her permission to be open about something

that we work together, but I would never behind her back complain or share my frustrations about my wife to my friends in the spirit of being one of the guys. That's just. Especially if it's being recorded. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Forget about the TV show. But I think so many people, they talk about

what's the number one reason for divorce is contempt. It's not respecting your partner. When you start complaining to your friends, and it's not respecting your partner, you know, when you start complaining to your friends and it's not that me, Nina and I, Natalie and I don't have things to complain about, it's just like how you do it and how you choose to do it and I think it matters in relationships. It's essentially airing out your dirty laundry, like it's like when you're bringing that to a public forum, it's kind of the end of what makes a relationship sacred. You know, it's like we should be able to work through our issues together and not need 50 other opinions, let alone other people's input,

saying like what you should and shouldn't be doing in your relationship. Yeah, I always just, you know, we wanna be united front. Speaking of Natalie, unfortunately, she couldn't join us today. Our baby, baby River is teething, I think. I don't know, she's not feeling that well. She's got baby sickness.

Nothing I don't think we need to be concerned about, but mom stayed home today. Me too, mom. Mom stayed home today. We did go to the lake though. It was pretty. Yeah, how was that? So good.

I hope everyone out there is lucky enough to do something as nostalgic as I was able to do in terms of buying my grandfather's house back. It's like I'm living a literal dream. It is something about going back to that place every time. It's like, not to sound corny or whatever, but it really puts things into perspective for me. It is like the happy place.

To go to a place where for so many years I literally had the I literally had this recurring dream of being back at the lake and being back on the lake. Then I would always wake up. Now when I go on the lake, I'm like, I'm about to wake up from my dream. It's so crazy. To think about River going there and growing up there, it is a great feeling. I hope everyone is lucky to go back to your childhood or like remember things, you know, find something nostalgic.

It really is a, it's a great thing. I love it. I love going there. We had fun. The weather looked nice. The weather was decent. Well, yeah, we actually had a, it was fine. It was an impromptu trip.

We had a lot of family members there. Yeah, it looked like you had, who went with you guys? Well, we decided to go last minute. And, but then my sister Maria and they were like, they were already going to visit my parents. And my parents were like, well, you're welcome to come. I'm like, no, we know I bought the house. Uh.

Oh my God, uh. Um, but, uh, no, so like a lot of them live in the area. So they were going up. And so we, we kind of crashed But which was fun. I don't know. Maybe maybe that's why we were sick. I don't know a lot of kids I don't know. Anyways, we had a great time. Good, you know who didn't have a great. I don't know if there's a second He's not having a great were you drinking any spritz on the lake? I was not drinking any spritz about lover boy I was not drinking love like no

I was not drinking any spritz. How about Loverboy? I was not drinking Loverboy. I'm like, no. Neither one. Well. Is anyone keeping up with this drama going on between Loverboy and spritz? I saw a little bit of it.

Absolutely. Team not Loverboy. Yeah, your team not Loverboy. Your team Craig. And spritz. I've met Craig once, super charming. And from what I. Southern charm perhaps?

Yeah. And we had Ben. We had Ben here. Yes I really like Ben Ben seems like a stand-up guy. Yeah for those of you don't know Ben's offer from the good guys Podcasts he's married Ben is married to Claudia Who is a host of the toast? Like I don't know I don't know Kyle Toast of the Toast. Toast of the Toast. Toast of the Toast. Toast of the Toast. Toast of the Toast. Toast of the Toast.

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Toast of the Toast. Toast of the Toast. Toast of the Toast. Toast of the Toast. Toast of the Toast. Toast of the Toast. Toast of the Toast. being an entrepreneur that like we would start this company and then you would sell this company and like we would just be like living large and like it's just him. And he doesn't allow any investors. So it's like he has sole equity in his company. Right, well that's part of the drama.

So apparently Kyle went on Watch What Happens Live recently. He was visibly upset and Andy Cohen pointed it out. He's like, you look upset about this. And he basically said that he- Is that how it got brought up? Andy asked Kyle what his opinion was of Craig being an investor of Spritz Society. Kyle must not have seen Craig's post or something

because he was like, I don't think he invested but we've talked about it but eluding that he lied to him in some way, shape or form. But what made Andy ask that? Because like there's a lot- Craig just asked it random. Craig posted on Instagram that all about- That he was a part of- That he's proud to announce it,

he invested in Spritz Society. Yeah, he put an Instagram post and I linked it here. But what did that have to do with Loverboy? Because Craig comes onto Summer House a lot, and since Spritz is a direct competitor of Loverboy, he was like, how do you feel about your castmate's boyfriend? That makes sense. OK. Yeah. Yeah. So Spritz and Loverboy are, I mean, they just are like

whether they want to admit it or not. They're both in the beverage, alcohol beverage. Yes. Loverboy also makes a Spritz. So they do hard teas and Spritz. Yes. Loverboy also makes a spritz, so they do hard teas and spritz. Yes. But does spritz make a nun out? Nun out, so. I don't know what to put on it.

Maybe there's a lay in there for Loverboy. Not sure, but anyway, so Kyle basically said the way that he handled it really rubbed me the wrong way. I'm just trying to take the high road. And then said he has a reputation of lying, and he lied to me. This is about Craig. Yeah.

See, I feel like the drama comes from the lover boy side, in my opinion. Well, he also said a bunch of things about Spritz Society and how- So, but to be clear- He said that Ben took him, that he and Ben got dinner or something or went out and he felt that Ben was just leaking,

trying to milk information from him. And these are all things that then Claudia addressed on the toast. Kyle accused Ben of going to dinner. And at said dinner, he then accused Ben of... That they got. Because I believe that... Kyle and Ben...

Okay, I'm confused because I know that Craig went to dinner with Kyle and told him that, hi, I have an opportunity to invest into Spritz Society I will not invest and I will invest in Loverboy if you would give me equity in the company Kyle said no and In turn Craig went and invested into Spritz Society and now Kyle is claiming that there's some sort of lie in there But it sounds like Craig was a hundred percent transparent gave him the option to invest with him, said no. That's why I said the drama's coming from Loverboy's side. I think Kyle just made a poor decision.

We don't know what the lie is, according to Kyle. Well, Kyle's trying to take the high road. So it's like a- What do you mean he's trying to take the high road? That's what he said on Watch What Happens Live. So he's just alluding to a lie. Yeah, he didn't say what the lie. There's no clarification of what the lie is.

Right, and then Claudia was basically saying Loverboy doesn't take on investors. It's just Kyle, and he certainly doesn't give any equity to his castmates or fellow influencers or Bravo stars. And that, yeah, Craig took Kyle out before the announcement was made and told him that he was going to do this partnership with Ben and the Toast.

But if he would let him invest in Loverboy, he wouldn't do it. And then she says that Kyle, that Ben didn't milk Kyle for information, which is why I assumed they like got together. I believe I saw that on Watch What Happens Live, but I could be wrong there. And then- But Ben and Kyle had dinner at some point and talked about their respective- I thought I heard him say that on Watch What Happens Live.

But the biggest part was that Claudia also said on her podcast that she starts it off by saying that she has like facts, dates, timestamps and receipts. And this is the receipt that she has. She said, Kyle placed an order of spritz from their website and she has a receipt and an address and an email. Wanted to taste out the competitor. The competition, yeah.

And what does that prove? That was just her last point before she closed the conversation. Wouldn't you have an intern purchase it? That's a pseudonym of sorts, perhaps? So was it actually him or was that just a family? I mean, who cares? I mean, I don't know what that proves.

Well, if you're like- I think she was just throwing it out there as like- Team Sprint, to be clear, but people often purchase their competition and try it out. Yeah, I guess. If you're like she was just throwing it out there clear but like, you know people often purchase their competition I feel like right. Oh, yeah, I guess if you're bad-mouthing them and then purchasing the product then it's like well Yeah, it's just a weird you give it you give an opening for to do what Claudia did which is to be like hey He bought our product which I guess I don't know. I don't think it was proving any point It's kind of just how she wrapped up the conversation where she was just like throwing it out there.

She was being petty with purpose. Petty with purpose. She was being petty with purpose, yes. Yes, yes, yes, of course. Yeah, I mean, I don't, what's so fascinating about all this is that like why was, why is Kyle willing to give Craig such credibility? What do you mean?

Well, Kyle has a company. Yeah. Loverboy. Great. It's great, it's fine. You know, never had it, I'm sure it's wonderful. I haven't seen a single ad for it or commercial. How do they market it?

I actually just saw it. Did they just post something for Memorial Day or was that like a really old ad that I saw of him and Amanda going to Walmart and buying out all of the Loverboys? I've only seen it in the Bravo sphere of like audience members, fan bases. Why aren't they making like funny?

Ads. Ads or whatever, like they could do so much. I don't understand. Kyle is DJing. Why not do the whole like Ryan Reynolds, I mean like even if it was like a poor man's version of what Ryan Reynolds did for Aviation Gin or his cell phone company or.

It's not in the budget. What's the budget? Just get it, think of some ideas, try and fail, you know, like, even a, yeah, I mean, anyway. But what I mean by that is, here's Craig. He's dating Paige, okay? Craig is, I don't know what Craig does. He's on Southern Charm, it sounds like he has... Sowing down south.

Sure, he's got stuff going on. Yeah. And that's not to, I don't... He's a pillow king. He's got stuff Charm. It sounds like he has. Sewing down south. Sure. He's got stuff going on. Yeah. That's not to... I don't... He's a pillow king. He's got stuff going. Right?

So he was on Summer House once episode? One episode? He went to the... One weekend, I think. Was there for one weekend? One episode? Oh, this season. Nice little cameo this season?

Yeah. Why is it such news that Craig wanted to invest and not invest? You know, it gives Craig so much credibility. It's just like, why does Kyle care? Why is Craig not investing or investing just because he's dating someone? That's a good point. You know what I'm saying?

It's just like why does that matter so much? Why is Kyle so demanding of Craig's loyalty to not invest in an alcohol company of any kind? Are they even that good of friends? And even if they are friends, what, like if you know Kyle, you can't somehow be involved in a spirit company? I think I've solved it,

and this is like an outside perspective, but I said this before that I think Kyle has lost his passion for the company, and so he's misplacing anger on everybody else that isn't equally as passionate about it. It's like Amanda or Craig that are in his circle in some way or the other that aren't devoted to him. I do think, and I hate that I'm defending Kyle

because I am not a fan of his actions that I've seen on the show. I don't like how he talks to or treats Amanda. And so I don't, but I would just say that I do think that like on this Watch What Happens Live, it was a little bit like pulled out of him for Mandy. Like I don't think he was coming so hot, but at the same time, it was one of those where it was like, I don't want, I want to be the bigger person,

but also Craig's a liar. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. He called Craig a liar on Watch What Happens Live. That is not a person who doesn't care about Craig's moves when it comes to like the industry he's working in. And I'm just like, the way he talked about Kyle in that moment made it seem like Craig is some sort of

like massive venture capitalist that like, boy boy like the difference between him investing and being a part of Lovaboy and him being a part of Ben's company is like the difference between them making it or not making it and it's just like why? Well when Ben was here I was talking to him about Paige and Claudia and he did tell me that Craig was an investor in Spritz. And he told me that Craig's gonna be bringing it on the show. So I wonder if that's maybe where Kyle has like a little

on Southern charm. On Southern charm. Yeah, instead of drinking Lover Boys on Southern charm, he's gonna be drinking Spritz Society. Less publicity. Fine, but again, it's a different show. It's like you're Kyle, you're not on Southern charm. You're not gonna pay Craig to drink it

on Southern Charm. Is Kyle the only Bravo celebrity that is involved in any type of spirit company? Like, what is he, expecting a monopoly on all things Bravo? And again, is that your big business plan? You get, yeah, I mean, I get why you started the company and say I got the Bravo Connect, but like, the difference between you making it

and not making it is gonna be, what do you bring to the company outside of what you can get for free on Bravo I mean free is relative term but if your big plan is that everyone who's in Bravo drinks Loverboy and supports Loverboy and doesn't compete with Loverboy then that's well I have plan I have heard that on summer house this is alleged because I don't know it for a fact, but that Kyle has made it so that the only drinks

that can be featured on the show is Loverboy. So you'll notice at their parties and stuff, you won't see somebody holding a white claw or. Although they did zoom in on a bubbly at one point in this episode and I was just like, hell yeah bubbly. Bubbly, get that play girl. Can I sponsor it?

It's front and center. No longer. But good for Kyle for negotiating that on the summer house. Yeah. Fine. But doesn't transfer. I think one of the lies that Kyle was accusing Craig of telling was that Craig said something about how,

oh, I thought this was just hard tease. And he was like, well, you know that we have spritz and I think espresso martini or something. And that like, he told him that before. Again, Craig didn't make the drink line. He just invested in it. And he was like, they're kind of copying us. Kyle said that?

Yeah, like that Spritz society. Well, I, again, I don't know much about the spirit industry, but it's not revolutionary. No. I think you solved it in the sense of like the Bravo sphere has been dominated by Loverboy. the spirit industry, but it's not revolutionary. No. I think you solved it in the sense of like, the Bravo sphere has been dominated by Loverboy. So like, Craig Investing introduces another competitor,

so then he loses control over like, the domination essentially, the free marketing. The domination. Yeah. But it's like that you only see when you watch the show. Exactly. And that's what I'm saying, it's just like, back to the Ryan Reynolds example,

like I've never had aviation gin. But you know what? But when people say gin now, for the past two years, people say aviation gin, because the only thing, he marketed it. It's just like he took a gin company that had a story, and he gave it a new story, and he just made it recognizable. And now when you go to the grocery store or to the bar,

you'll be like, hey, I want a gin gimlet or whatever for the people who drink gin. They might be like, they're going to be like, give me aviation because that's the first thing that comes to mind because for all the drinkers out there who aren't like big connoisseurs or you got your sommeliers who might sip the tequila or might sip the wine, but for the most part, people are just getting fucking drunk and they're? And they're just gonna go with what they recognize. They're gonna go with what, you know, it's all about name recognition.

So why doesn't Kyle focus more on that, you know? And make it cool to drink, you know? Make it like, for all the men who respect their wives, you know, for all the girls, like why? Like Nellie said last week, for all the, now it's like, ew, I'm gonna rep the brand where it's a guy who tells his wife to fuck off and calls her a fucking bitch at three in the morning.

Lover boy, when you're really pissed off at your wife. And now you have Carl joining the team who's also not looking great. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. The only thing I know about the spirit industry, it's all about brand recognition and what does your brand know for and the marketing that goes.

It's like how many beer commercials do you see them talking about the beer? You know, it's about what the beer represents or the vibe or you know, it's all vibes. I'd say the best thing about Loverboy is how beautiful the cans are. Oh, you know, who loves? Never seen the cans.

Amanda's cans. Jesse Solomon. Jesse Solomon. What would Jesse Solomon do? That was so cute, yeah. Who, by the way, congratulations, Jesse. Yes, yeah. Can I just say something though?

I feel like it's a... Doesn't have cancer. Right, yes. I feel like it's a little bit strange that they left last episode on a cliffhanger of whether or not Jesse Solomon had cancer. Yeah, that was a little strange. You know what I mean?

I just thought that was a little bit like, this is a reality show. Don't tell the world that you're cancer free. I'm like sitting here, I'm like, is he okay? I texted Sierra, I'm like, do you know if Jesse Solomon has cancer? Cause like I can't wait another week to find out. It would have been kind of fucked if this week

he came back and they're like, yeah, sorry, it's back. I also love that I'm the reality TV girlie, but she like texted me like I have the insight and tell I was like, actually he just texted me, it's back. I also love that I'm the reality TV girly, but she texted me like I have the inside and tell her, actually, he just texted me, he's good. I was banking on the fact that he was okay. I was hoping so because I was like, how fucked would it be if they left? It'd be so fucked, yeah.

Either way, I was just like, are you really gonna leave the, I get a cliffhanger or Carl and Lindsay gonna break up or those are cliffhangers I'd expect. Meaningless relationships. Yeah, like, okay, whatever. But like cancer, like, tell me. No.

Like, did she have cancer or not? Watch what happens live after, so I kind of feel like that was supposed to be the, like, And he had to wait to tell everyone on Instagram that he didn't have cancer until this episode aired. That's crazy. That's the crazy part, yeah. That's the crazy that he had to like not,

hey, are you okay? Sorry, I have to watch next week. I can't say anything yet. Tune in next week to find out like what the fuck. But I'm glad he's okay. I'm so glad he's okay because that would have been really fucked up if not. Anyway, where were we?

Still Team Lindsay by the way. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think there's another choice to be honest. It's just so crazy how from the beginning it was very Team Carl and then seeing his behavior these last few episodes, I'm just like, there's nothing redeemable about your behavior whatsoever. But what's really crazy, well you saw it in the preview

of the fight is that they're leaning in, which is also bizarre because it is what, again, when Lindsay came here on the show, and you guys should go back and listen to it. We'll repost it, but it is available. Go back and check out the Lindsay. If you haven't listened to Lindsay Hubbard episodeing, you're watching Summer House, incomplete.

It's the first episode. It's basically the first episode. You're missing so much of the story by not listening. I'm curious to see how the reunion will work too, because I was shot after our episode, and she tried to build this whole narrative that everybody was aware of on the cast. Well, that's the thing,

it's like she's leaning into the blindsidedness of it. I'm just really curious what Lindsay thinks about that move now. Yeah, like watching it back in real time, being like she was there. Well, just forgetting about the TV element. I'm just like, think, you know, have you guys ever been,

well, you haven't really been broken up with, have you? No. Yeah, you're not. Well, I've just been with one person for my whole life, but. But like, if you know what it's like to be broken up with, I'm really, again, more and more, like I'm just trying to actually put myself in Lindsay's shoes, and not as

a TV star or person on reality TV, but just as a human being in a serious relationship on the heels of a wedding, being engaged. It's like, obviously, I think we can all watch back with a critical lens and have our commentary on Carl and Lindsay's relationship and how incompatible they seem and unhealthy relationship looks. And I think, you know, these are all seemingly facts about this relationship. But like when you're in it, when you're in the relationship,

especially leading up to a wedding, it's hard to see the forest through the trees. It's hard to see what everyone else sees, you know? And despite your relationship being unhealthy and not compatible and the best decision for everyone being maybe to call off the wedding, that's really hard to expect people in relationship to maybe see that. And so we're all harping on Lindsay for like, how can you say you didn't see it coming? Kyle, before the season aired, was like Lindsay's gonna look like an idiot

for all this commentary about being blindsided by Carl. And at face value, I see what everyone else is saying. But on the human side, in real time, I can see why Lindsay felt blindsided. Lindsay's a smart enough person to know that she wasn't blindsided, right? I'm curious, that's what I'd wanna ask her, objectively. But how you feel and how things are,

even though people like to not say it, but just because you feel something doesn't mean it's a reality. And so yeah, your feelings are valid, but it doesn't change reality. And so I can see why Lindsay felt blindsidedsided and that's the narrative that she went with this is all to say that Even the show it seems like the show at least in the previews is taking Carl's side and Lindsey almost kind of helped Carl By playing into this I was blindsided knowing that like we're watching it back being like how could you feel blindsided?

You guys argued all season, but you know what, is it making sense that on the human side, I think it's very easy for anyone to say, how can you feel blindsided? How can anyone in an engagement who got broken up with not feel blindsided, right? You can make it that argument, that if you're in a relationship, no matter how unhealthy it seems, that if you're in a relationship, no matter how unhealthy it seems,

that if you are months away from a wedding and you're planning a wedding, that if you get broken up with, even if it's the absolute best choice for everyone, that there's no way you're not gonna feel blindsided. You know? Like, it's sort of you being the Jessie of this, like, I definitely, my wife's gonna break up.

You know, if you're just like, yeah, no, we have a broken relationship or a broken relationship. Carl and Lindsay my wife's gonna break up. You know, if you're just like, yeah, no, we have a broken relationship, we have a broken relationship. Carl and Lindsay never really talk about breaking up. Maybe there's a couple jabs of like, why are, you know, there's a couple jabs thrown in there about like. Are you sure you wanna marry me? Yeah, sure you don't wanna marry, or you wanna marry me and stuff like that.

But there's never been like, should we be doing this? Are we right for each other? We never see that commentary. This is like the final straw this episode though, because it's like now you have Paige chiming in and being like, I don't think that they should be getting married. Yeah, but that's Paige behind their back.

Well, Jesse Solomon wrote a song, and in his song he said, will they last? Well, and even Lindsay, like Lindsay's, she's like, you want a stepford wife, that's not me. Like she's, you can tell she's no longer like entertaining it because even when he's like, I want you to say awesome, let's have a party, she just repeats verbatim what he said in a petty way. I think she's given up.

So I think like. Sure. But I guess what I'm saying is they're never, you never, we've still have never seen Lindsay and Carl sit down and have that, you know. Should we be doing this? Should we be doing this conversation where you're, you're putting your cards on your table, on the table. You're not trying to win a fight, you're not trying, you know.

They have an issue communicating. Every time they try to have a conversation or it gets to a serious place, one of them walks away and it's just like, it's infuriating to watch. It's like, are they ever going to get there? Because every time they inch toward a productive conversation, somebody yells or throws a jab or gets up and walks away. Yeah, but they do the thing that a lot of couples do in very committed, serious relationship is like they're not think, you know,

at least one person, Lindsay, is not even thinking about the idea of breaking up. It's just like, we're gonna, we're engaged, and if we're engaged, that means we're gonna get married. Yeah. And so we're gonna muscle through these problems. That's what's so strange to me too, is that you guys would have a fight and then be like, nope, we can't even talk about it,

that we're sleeping in opposite rooms and tiptoeing around each other, but you guys are gonna walk down the aisle. That's strange too, but you get what I'm saying, that if you put yourself in their shoes, it's very easy to pick apart the decisions we make in relationships, especially when it's an engagement or you're living with that person

or you're married to that person, you have kids with that person. And yes, it's so easy to criticize people's choices in relationships, Ariana living in the same house as Tom. But when you're in these situations, I do think it's a lot more nuanced and more complicated. And Lindsay and Carl's, I mean, I've been in those, I've been that person where you just like ignore reality

and you just, you're just like, no, we're going to be together, you know? And so the idea of breaking up, you don't even comprehend. So it does feel like a blind side when Carl on camera breaks up with her, when they never actually sat down and talked about whether they should be together. It doesn't matter that Jesse is making a song or Paige is like, I don't think, that's all commentary

about them behind their backs. You know, that's, you know, but as a couple, you know, Lindsay, I'm guessing, feels blindsided because mentally she never went there. True. She's like, we're gonna work through it. And we just thought we're gonna work through it. And so it's just kind of fascinating

that the show, seemingly, and Carl, and the cast, is kind of the big narrative is how crazy Lindsay sounds by acting blindsided when it's clear she shouldn't have been blindsided. But I'm kind of totally understanding where Lindsay is coming from. It's almost kind of like she's taking the red flags and almost like banking them as normal.

Do you know what I mean? Like where it's just like... Discounting. Yeah, like where it's like, oh, this is just something we do in our relationship, so therefore I'm not gonna see it as a red flag. It's something that we can work through, where hindsight or, as you said, seeing from an outside perspective,

you're like, this is obviously not a healthy relationship. But when you're in it, you're like, okay, well, this is how we fight. We'll get over this soon, and then we'll talk about it in a couple of days. Or maybe we'll never talk about it, but that's now considered normal. Right, because his most serious conversations

are not happening with Lindsay, they're happening with other people, like Kyle or his parents. And so he's having all these conversations about how like, Lindsay this, Lindsay that, she doesn't make me happy, she doesn't support you know, support me, blah, blah, blah. But he's not saying them to Lindsay, and so then... It almost goes back to your original point

about talking about your relationship with other people, and instead of talking and working through it with each other, and it's almost sort of, it's a recipe for disaster. Because all of your conflict is being aired out with other people who are saying, be done, get out. And instead of working through it with your partner, it's like you've already kind of made this decision on one side by yourself,

and she has no idea that you feel this way. Yeah, I can almost see a world where mentally, that Carl almost feels like he's having these conversations. We're saying he's never having with Lindsay, that it almost feels like he is having it with Lindsay from his perspective, because he's having it with everyone else. It's like I could have sworn I said this before. But no, but seriously I'm not even trying to like be snarky

where it's just like mentally you know it's like the fascination I have with Bravo in general is like when you know and we will talk with with Danny and Nia later but just like how Danny and Nia like they just got into this right this whole reality TV space and when we talk about like Tom Sandoval and that and the Vanderpump, this is like a decade of their lives have been intertwined with reality TV and like just their normal life.

You know, Summer House, they've been doing this for a while now. Eight years. You know, and it's the more I talk about, the more I see Lindsay's side, but what's ironic about it is that I can, I see simultaneously see Carl sighed in the sense that the thing that Lindsay is upset about

or what she is frustrated about Carl not doing, she never could have expected him to do because there's been no signs in the relationship of him ever doing it, at least from what we've seen. Yeah. You know, and so even though she can be, I see where Lindsay's frustrated for feeling blindsided, the only right answer is to her appreciate

that the relationship is in fact over, because it's like, yeah, well you wanted him to do, the thing you're most frustrated about, Lindsay, is the thing that time and time again, Carl never did for you, or never did for the relationship. So the thing that you're most frustrated with him about the breakup is the thing that he was never gonna do in the first place.

And therefore, you kinda need to almost be thankful that he did it. It's kind of a weird fucked up thing. What were your thoughts on the softness conversation? Cause I know that this- If I have to hear, I mean, I was triggered for Lindsay. To tell anyone, just to tell anyone to be a different person is infuriating.

And I don't know what it would be like for women to have a guy constantly tell you to be soft. Obviously there's like layers of misogyny when it comes to stuff like that. And not just because you tell your partner to be nicer doesn't mean it's misogynistic, but obviously there are times where you might be like, hey, can you stop being so fucking mean to me?

And maybe softener, soft is a way of him describing it, but the way it is aired and the way it is shown, it is just like he just doesn't want any feedback from Lindsay whatsoever, and I love Lindsay's line, where it's like, if you want me to not speak up on these topics, then you better make a lot of fucking money. Which is like, it's like, Carl is putting Lindsay, he's setting up Lindsay to be a bitch.

Because of how poor of a decision maker he is when it comes to his professional career. It's like he is so incapable of making like sound decisions when it comes to his career, and therefore Lindsay, who has a little, some success, who is very career-driven, who's on top of things, who seems to be better at making decisions for herself when it comes to her own career, it's like he's setting her up to sound

like a nagging bitch all the time, because he's coming to her with these not good ideas. These are just important conversations. Anytime Danny or I make a career move, we talk about it together, like in detail. As a team. It's like, how much money do we need? How much, like what's the time off policy?

Like every single thing, it's like, is this gonna work for you and for us? For us. But also like, I have your back and I love you and I want you to be in a good situation and I don't want you to be in a good situation and I don't want you to get into something that's not gonna be good.

So we're each other's person. So it's like, of course you're gonna talk to each other about these big life things. And it's like, he doesn't want her opinion at all. He just wants her to sit there and say yes. Imagine if Danny had a job. Your husband, Danny, who we're talking about. Not Danny, our guest coming up.

He had a job, left that job because he didn't get along with the person or there was drama. Let's just call it, right? He was part of Loverboy, Carl. There was some kind of drama. He left that job because of some kind of drama or disagreement.

And then Danny came to you and was just like, no, I want, so here I have an idea. It's gonna be better this time. It's gonna be better this time. It's gonna be better this time. And Danny, your husband, only wanted from you was your unconditional support without any questions, because those questions he would perceive as interrogation or doubt in his idea.

That would drive me crazy. Maybe your idea sucks if you can't answer some baseline basic questions. You're just being so defensive. Yeah. Because it's like, if you, you don't want my questions. You're just being so defensive. Yeah. Because it's like, if you, you don't want my opinion. No, he didn't want, but like, it's so important.

Because he doesn't wanna, listen, and I empathize with Carl, listen, sometimes you want things to work so bad, you don't ask the right questions, you know? Clearly, it's not fun having your lack of entrepreneurship being displayed on national television, I'm sure Carl is sensitive about that. But that doesn't mean you get to go to your then fiance

and make her out to be some ball-busting nag. Right, because this is gonna affect her life too. It's not just his decision. If they're getting married, it's like, okay, it's one thing if you're like friends and you're asking their opinion, right? And you don't really want to hear it. But this is like a partnership. They're getting married. His job is going to affect her. The way that he comes home is going to affect her. The money that he brings in is going to affect her. Everything about your job affects your partner. Yeah, and they don't really talk about it, but it seems like Amanda and Kyle and Carl and Lindsay, and maybe they have talked about it and I just missed it, but it seems like, I know there's a lot of discurses going on about families and Harrison Putner

and all of that stuff, but it seems like they kind of wanted a more traditional plan where someday, they would have the kids and Amanda would be generally the caretaker of the kids and Carl would generally be the... Kyle. Carl and Lindsay. Well, Kyle and Amanda. Both Carl and Kyle would be the, generally the...

Traditional. The breadwinners of the family and it seemed like Amanda and Lindsay, and Lindsay's very career driven, but even Lindsay seems to have given hints of like someday she wants to be more relaxed. You're relaxed and like, you know, does that track? Well, she said a few episodes ago

that she wants to be able to take some time off of work to be with her kids. So I guess my point of saying this is like like if that is something that you two as a couple have decided, that puts even more pressure. If the decision was like, yeah, someday babe, if we have kids for whatever time we need, I'm going to take a step back from my career and you will be the major breadwinner. That's the general plan. Well that puts more pressure on both of them for that whoever is major breadwinner, you know? That's the general plan. Well, that puts more pressure on both of them

for that whoever is the breadwinner to make bread. Yeah. You know? And I do wonder if that was kind of the catalyst of the downfall in the sense that Carl acted blindsided when Lindsay suggested that she would want some time off and whatnot. And I wonder if in his head he thought

we are gonna be this dual income, I wasn't planning on being the lead breadwinner since you already are kind of situation. So I wonder if that also sent him in a panic being like, wait, not only do I need to get a job or a career now, but like I need to make enough money to be able to support you. And it doesn't sound like that was a part of his plan.

Does that make sense? For sure, yeah. It just goes back to their communication. It doesn't sound like that was a part of his plan. Does that make sense? For sure, yeah. It just goes back to their communication. It doesn't sound like they've had these important conversations. I will say too, I've clocked this, but he smiles almost every time he's arguing with Lindsay. Like he'll bring up topics, but be like smiling.

So I don't know if there's like a vindictive nature of like he enjoys the argument more than like the communication. Yeah. It's a little thing. I mean, people- Some people have that like- Some people kind of awkwardly laugh when they're uncomfortable. Or dealing with confrontation.

Yeah, and it's on camera. But if every confrontation is uncomfortable, then it's like, do a different way of communication. I don't know, maybe that's my thing. I don't think Carl's the best communicator, for sure. But he did get, I mean, that side of Carl that Lindsay kept referencing, we saw last episode. Yeah.

There seemed to be some editing there when they showed Carl yelling at Lindsay. It was kind of, it was clearly that there was some editing. And granted, but it was almost edited, it seemed more out of nowhere than it was. The fight? It was at the very end of their fight. It was at the very end.

I forget what he said. But he clearly, he raised his voice. He said, it's a lot. It's a lot, it's a lot. It's a fucking lot. I don't know though, because he said the same thing twice. He said, it's a lot, and then he yelled, it's a lot. That's what I'm saying, that last part,

where it was like, why are you doing this? To me it seemed like it was like, he said it further apart and they just like, snipped it together. Yeah. Like they like, closed the cold air of it, and then just put it. Maybe it was just that.

Mm. Well. I did see a post of people comparing Ariana to Lindsay and they were saying these are the Bravo Blondes that experience poor relationships and are now trying to redefine what a healthy relationship is for the public. Which I thought was interesting.

Lindsay and Ariana. It's like Ariana with Sandoval being blindsided and then Lindsay being blindsided with Carl and how we watch those unfold. And why do they get? Like just people are just comparing that these are the Bravo Blondes that are experiencing something similar on reality TV and a lot of people are rallying with them.

So basically they're becoming this new definition of what. Like how to handle a scandal. Demanding respect, like that with demanding what you should deserve as a woman in a relationship, which I thought was fascinating. I'm here for that. Yeah, I guess. I can get there with an empathizer for that. Yeah, I guess. I can get there with empathizing with Lindsay.

Like we just talked about. Lindsay's very much like enforcing like, this is what I want, this is what I want for my relationship, this is what I expect from my partner. And instead of being like docile or being like, well, maybe we'll work on it. Like she's being like, no,

like I want these things in place before we get married or like knowing what you want. And in the same sense, I'm like Ariana, a little bit different, but is like, hey, no, post breakup, this is what I will and won't do and I'm not gonna compromise for that for a show or for anybody else.

But I think it's almost like demanding what they both want in the same circumstance, but also kind of differently. Does that make sense? I guess, but I kind of feel like they're, for Ariana, for example, like you see Ariana very, like it seems like Ariana has really thought about boundaries and what she wants for herself and maybe mistakes she's made while dating Sandoval

because you know, there is that she did date her for 10 years and it's like, how do you go from thinking this guy was your life partner to where she is now? And you do that bit by kind of really thinking about all the decisions you made while with that person. But that requires that, you know, Ariana, for example, to be like, yeah, like I realized that when I was with that person,

I wasn't seeing things clearly and I was making poor choices. I wasn't enforcing my boundaries at the time. Same thing with like Lindsay, we can empathize with why she had the mindset that she had at the time, but there still needs to be a recognition now that their relationship is over that they weren't right for each other. There's no point at this point of Lindsay still arguing, I felt blindsided.

I hope Lindsay's not going around and still arguing that point. I'm hoping now that they've been broken up for so long that there's been some reflection and more about like, yeah, I wanna date someone who doesn't make me feel the way Carl made me feel when I was simply just asking some basic questions. I will actually wanna have a partner that will can communicate with me

and not his parents or his friends. I wanna have a partner that I won't be the last person to hear about their frustrations with me. You know what I'm saying? And like focus on that and be more aware about like, hey, I also want to recognize that I want to have a relationship where we have problems that we address them and don't push them under the rug. I made those mistakes. You know, when you're younger and you have a plan for yourself and your plan is to like get married and have kids or whatever by a certain age Yada, yada. We all do this, right? And we stay in relationships longer than we should or we stay in relationships because we've been together for so long not because of

How it is now but because of how it was when it first started so we've all made these mistakes, but it's just like I want I hope I hope for Lindsey that She is looking at those things now. And this is less about, to me this is less about like, I don't know, empowerment and more about, you know, just learning from past mistakes of your relationship. Maybe, yeah. You know?

I think it's as an oversimplification. For sure, yeah. To compare Lindsay and Ariana and just because they're blonde women. Blonde on bravo. Yeah, I think that their situations are very different and their relationships are very different and that they're handling things very different.

But I do think that they're both doing a good job, setting boundaries and learning from past relationships of how they want to be treated in future relationships. Gotcha. Yeah. Anyways, is next week the big breakup? I feel like it is, cause it's the finale, right?

And then they have their reunion. The three part reunion, so. We finally get to see the breakup. I'm so excited. Which we'll talk about next week Tuesday. Well, but didn't they pick up cameras and like film again? So I wonder if this is that episode or if there's gonna be another bonus one.

No, I think this is technically the bonus episode because I feel like the beginning of this episode they were like last weekend of the summer So I'm like, I feel like this is this next one is them picking it up like they did with scandal Right because could you imagine if that was the end of the episode? That was just it. It's like alright It's over. They always make it's always interesting to see what these shows like like what was meant to be the last episode. Because it would have made sense. Jesse doesn't have cancer. There was a lot of things that they were tying up in the west of it all. But anyways, excited to see the fight.

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and what the history is. I'm most fascinated with the men time this season. So it's like a lot to figure out who's who and what the history is. I'm most fascinated with the men on the show. They're much bigger part of the show than like any other Housewives franchise, I feel. What would have to happen for you to get married, get divorced, your partner remarry, and for you and that partner to like say, I love you to each other.

What would have to happen for you to- What is Teresa's husband's name? Louis. Louis? Louis. Yeah. Louis? I forget, was it the last episode or the episode before? I think it was the episode before. But Teresa's ex-husband, Joe?

Yes. Joe? They were like FaceTiming and Louis is like, love you, man. So that's the thing that we've been saying where like New Jersey is known to have a very family oriented like vibe. They're Italian. Oh, so that's the thing that we've been saying where like New Jersey is known to have a very family-oriented Like vibe so even even like even like Dolores is ex Frank Like he has a role in the show and like Joe judice is like connected to Louie Which is supposed to be like a healthy relationship and even like Margaret's talking about her ex-husband and all of them are in current Relationships with like their own kids and whatnot, but like everybody's like a play out there Yeah, so I don't think I don't think it was weird for Joe to be, or sorry, I don't think it was.

How long have they been married, Joe, Louie and Teresa? Like for a year, maybe two. So not that long, that's right. But like Louie is known to be a very like advocate and like healthy boundaries person. And like he kind of came in the show saying that I respect that you have like your kids

with your husband that still has a role in their life. Totally get the respect of, hey, you have kids, but. He was like, I love you, man. For how dysfunctional their friendships are, it is really interesting that the family dynamics are very outside of Teresa and Melissa, are very interconnected. They're like, no, we are one big family.

Everybody's husband hangs out with everybody's husband, knows each other's aunts, and it's just, I don't know, it's really cute. I feel like. Yeah, we are one big family. Everybody's husband hangs out with everybody's husbands, knows each other's aunts and like, it's just, I don't know, it's really cute. I feel like- Yeah, I kinda love that. I feel like Tom Sandoval wants to get married just so that he can get divorced and then tell his ex-wife's new husband, I love you.

He probably would. Like I think Tom Sandoval would, he would convince himself that I could be friends with my, like Tom would- He tried. I don't think Dan's interested. Yeah, Tom would love to be friends with my, like Tom would. He tried. I don't think Dan's up to Dan. Tom would love to be friends with Dan.

Tom would love to be like, oh man, I'm totally, like totally chill, totally cool. Talk to me about her if you're having any problems. I can give you some advice. Yeah, and that would be his like, you know, that would be how Tom, that's fascinating, but I'm being serious. Like that's how Tom would show loyalty and friendship.

Maybe it's like an Italian. How he can be chill with. Nothing bothers me, I'm a cool guy. Because I also think of Dolores, because Dolores' ex, Frank, she has kids with. Frank has a new girlfriend and that's why it's a big deal. He's like, I want to propose to her, but he's asking for approval from Dolores

with her now husband who also isn't divorced officially. So it's like, there's a lot of back and forth of like, but people are okay with it. Cause there's communication. Well, and I also kind of like that Dolores is significant other, he's not Italian, he's Irish. And he's very much like, why is he always calling? Why is he always around?

He's like the only person that just like doesn't get the dynamic. And everyone else is like, no, this is normal. This is Jersey. This is Italian. Cause that was the thing last season as well. Sunday lunches. Yeah. That was the thing last season that well. Their Sunday lunches. Yeah.

That was a thing last season that like Frank and Paul, like there was a conversation of like, how close can you be with your ex-husband? Cause Dolores wanted Frank in her life, or at least in the sense of like, she wanted to raise the kids still with him, and they still hung out a lot. Yeah.

So like Paul was introduced. I mean, if you have kids and you're forced to hang out, and I think there's a huge difference between being civil and respectful, versus like getting out of FaceTime. And Louis smiled and said it with the utmost sincerity of like, man, I just love you. Like really just, I was thrown.

He enjoyed that. It wasn't like just, hey man, good to see you. Hi. Like you're in the background, be like, hey man, just good to see you, checking in with your fam and being're in the background, being like, hey man, just good to see ya, you know, checking in with your fam, and like, you know, and like being chill. Yeah, well, cause it was an emotional moment. Like they were all crying.

He's like, thanks for taking care of my family. Well, and Louie's paying for college too, which is fascinating. And Joe can't be here. Really? Louie and Teresa are paying for, what's her name, Ikea? For Louie. Gabriella paying for, what's her name, Nigea? Uh, Gabriela. Also, is this, I know Teresa went to jail for some tax stuff,

but maybe that, but like, I'm under the impression that suburban real estate New Jersey is some of the most expensive real estate in the world. Especially on the shore, yeah. And they have some gorgeous houses on these shows. If you saw Teresa's house like pre-jail, that was a mansion with like Victorian furniture. Is this housewife money or is this like not paying your taxes money?

Well, a lot of them have businesses and then they come to the show as like a family connection. It's like a lot of them know each other just like familiar but they're all just, I think wealthier. Well, it's also their president's government. Well, yeah, she was caught for, yeah. Well, but that's different. But Louis, they're displaying some real money.

Yes. This is why rumors of the mafia start. It's like nope, just fell off the back of the truck, here's a new house, but I mean, I don't know what Louis does for a living. And they're all living together. I mean, Trace has been a housewife for a decade, and so it's not shocking that she's.

I'm sure she's making a lot of money from the show as well But I am me I it when I see that display of wealth I it does make me curious of where it comes from. Mm-hmm Well, that's where you have Jen Shaw running from the FBI and I was like Joe judas does construction right and build houses for a living So like that's not so crazy But yeah, I don't know where a lot of their money comes from. And they're all living together now, right? Like Louis, his kids, and Teresa and her kids.

They're a blended family now, yeah. And the Melissa and Teresa drama, my understanding, because I just got into it, but it's kind of all Teresa's fault. Yeah, that's how I take it. There's a big Teresa fan base, but if you look at the timelines, a lot of the egging on comes from Teresa's side of like rumors and she didn't like go to Melissa's room and she gave birth to her child. Yeah, because it seemed like Teresa seemed to have

an issue with Melissa dating her brother. And it seemed to all start there. Yeah. Which, and then Teresa kept saying things. Trying to get Joe to leave Melissa with cheating rumors and whatnot, and then claiming that Melissa's trying to break up their family, that the parents, their past.

Yeah, it's like, where's Melissa supposed to take the high road here? She's tried so many times, so that's why I'm team Melissa personally. But I bring it up, because if you are team Teresa, I'm just curious as to like, and on this episode when they were playing softball, Louis, how did it come up?

And Louis was like, yeah, we don't, he was talking about Joe. He's like, yeah, he basically was like, I don't fuck with him. So I'm curious, what is Louis' side of the story? I will say Melissa last season did call Louis a bitch boy. And that was like the biggest thing is like, Okay.

So I get why maybe. So that's kind of like the main more recent reason why Melissa is like bad in Teresa's eyes. But Teresa's accused her of like. Exactly, exactly. If you have a decade of starting rumors and trying to like literally affect her entire core of her family and never feeling accepted

by your sister-in-law who plays the role of like a matriarch in the family. And then you have the whole housewife element and she's like an OG housewife. And she has a lot of this powered influence. And then all she does is disparage you and your relationship so much so that she, it affects her relationship with her own brother.

At some point you're gonna fight back. It's almost like Teresa can't help herself either though. Teresa makes these comments where it's just like, you know that that's not gonna play out well, but yet she says it anyways. She did this episode about Margaret saying, about coming to the dog party and she was like, well, is her husband gonna bring Margaret

or his actual dog? And it was just like, why was that necessary? And those are the type of jabs and things that get repeated that Teresa says. But it's just like, so in her DNA to say these things. I don't know. It's just, she just like fights fire with fire when there was no fire to begin with. Yeah. You know, it's like, why start this for no reason.

Cause there was a brief point also in like the house, the New Jersey history where when she went to jail, like Joe Gorga and Melissa stepped in to like help be like a second family with them. So like there is a sweet aspect to it where they kind of they come together every once in a while. But so wait, Teresa goes to jail. And despite all the things that Teresa said, Melissa and Joe stepped up, tried to help in literally any way.

And now they're still feuding? Still not good enough. Granted that was like years ago, but yeah. Who cares? Yeah, I agree. And even last season, Melissa tried to repair things as well, and then it was like Teresa making a comment about how her daughter didn't come to, how Antonia, Melissa's daughter didn't come

to her daughter Gia's birthday party, like as if Antonia is the one now that's keeping up the fight. And it was just like, it's just so unnecessary when you could be the one to be like, hey, let's put down our swords and let's just be a family. And she just will never do that. There's always another follow-up comment,

another accusation. She was accused of cheating again last season as well. So- Melissa. Melissa, yeah. By Jennifer Aiden, yeah. But through Teresa. Through Teresa, yeah.

Through Teresa, so it all stems back to Teresa. Well, Teresa's also funny too, because she likes to get other people to say things and then claim that she had no part in it, but they always go back to her. The only way this feud gets squashed, if I'm hearing this correctly and understanding it correctly, would require Teresa to say, you know what,

I've been petty for many years, I've started this all, and I'm just willing to drop it. But it's gotten so, it's been going on for too long and so long and it's, you know, so many things have happened that Teresa is not recognizing where this all started. She is just, she's just like, well, you said this. Like she's just cherry picking moments where like, I'm sure there are moments where Melissa or Joe said some things

that they would be like, they maybe shouldn't have said. Or maybe it was a low blow. Or maybe they were doing it just to retaliate. But like, Teresa's doing the thing that so many people do where they're just like, they act like that's, oh my God, how could you say or do that where they just ignore everything else leading up to it? I will say I'm remembering this now that one of the most recent things is Teresa had her

wedding with Louis and Joe and Melissa didn't go to the wedding, which there's like drama behind that. But then on the wedding day, Joe posted a story basically saying like, spending time with our real blood or like our real family. Sure. Which is, it doesn't, it fuels the fire for sure. They're still clapping back, but it's also in response to everything Theresa does.

I was gonna say the reason for that though, was because Theresa originally didn't want them to come to the wedding, and then didn't want them in the wedding, and then we're asking random castmates that she's known for a year or two to be in her wedding in front of Melissa. And it's just like, okay, you're doing this to be petty and then being like, but I would really like for you to come.

And Melissa's like, at this point, what's the point? It's embarrassing. Yeah. It seems to be that all of the newbies are trying to take down Teresa. That's what I've noticed, because like Danielle, Rachel, they're aligning themselves with like Melissa's perspective in the sense of like Teresa doesn't really get challenged.

Well, that's my question with this show. And like, it's a kind of a parallel to Vanderpump in a way, because it's like, everybody was making such a stink about Ariana not filming with Tom, but then you have Melissa and Teresa who won't film with each other, and they get so upset with Jen Fessler for talking to Teresa.

So like, how does this work? Yeah, I don't know. I feel bad for Jen Fessler. Because she's put in a tough spot now too, because she's like, I just, I like Teresa. When someone's nice to me, I'm nice to them. Yeah, but like she's not allowed to even like have a conversation.

Nobody even knows what the conversation was about. They were like off in a corner. Yeah, but if you're whole, if no, I'm nice to them, if they're nice to me, it only works until you're 18. You have to pick a side sometimes. And yeah, I don't know. I'm usually of the, whoever, yeah, I hate that. Whoever's wrong, don't take their side.

Well, sure, yeah. It's just like. Right. And you could say, you know, if you're, I don't think you should stop being friends with someone just because, you know, someone so offended someone else. But if your only response is, well, I don't have an in me to be a part of drama, I don't want that person around me. Because to me, that person, I think that's a cop out

for I never want to take a stand or set a boundary. They're just gonna go with whatever. They're not gonna be in your defense. Yeah, they'll definitely talk, you know, if your name gets brought up in a group and they're next to them, they will participate in the shit talking about you. For sure, almost certainly.

Or the best they will do is not say anything at all. So then are you team Rachel on that, Rachel Fuda? Yeah. Because it's interesting you say that that's like an 18 year old thing because Jen Fessler flipped it and was like, Rachel's not mature. Cause Rachel's the youngest housewife ever. Or not ever.

Again, there's devils in the details for each situation. I'm not really talking about this specific situation. Right, just the statement in general. But just to say that is a red flag statement for me. Yeah. I was like, loyalty is really important. And that's where I'm like, it's, your friend can be wrong and you can say that, but at the same time being in defense of that person,

where if you're in a crowd and somebody's talking about them, that you would want to believe that your friend would be like, hey, stop it. Not in front of me. You know what I mean? Or like, that's not true, whatever it is,

versus being like, well, I don't really wanna be involved, so I'm just gonna kinda, I'm not picking sides, I'm Switzerland and that to me, I'm like, mm, rubs me the wrong way. Anyways, it's Danny and Nia are gonna be coming up here shortly, we're just waiting for them to arrive. Cute family, cute babies, they got, it's like the only couple surviving reality TV.

I can't wait to ask them about that. Like what is their plan to stay together? With all of these examples around you, It's like the only couple surviving reality TV. I can't wait to ask them about that. Like what is their plan to stay together? With all of these examples around you, like what are you taking from that and doing differently? Yeah. How are you surviving? How are you doing?

Yeah, we're going forward. For real, they have two newborn twins and another child. But you know, speaking of babies, has anybody seen the Orlando baby? Four Seasons Orlando baby? Four Seasons Orlando baby. It's called the Four Seasons. I think I've seen this. Okay.

She's so cute. You have to see it. It's so funny. It's so cute. I have a question for everybody. Who wants to go to the Four Seasons Orlando? Me! How is that child? Who wants to go to the Four Seasons Orlando? Me! How old is that child? There's no way that baby is more than a year. No, no.

Like, I don't know. How old is River? She's four months. And how much older does that baby look than River? It looks older. Hard for me to say because River apparently is on the smaller side these days. I feel like baby ages are hard to judge. Baby ages are so hard to judge.

I have no gauge. I feel like I have no idea. Yeah, who knows? That baby could have been... I feel like I'm safe with like... That's a sizable baby. I feel like that... That could have been like a 15 months.

No, no, no. That's what I was going to say. I was going to say I feel safe with saying something like 23 months. You're clearly older than to say me. We should look this up. My guess is this baby is five months old. Is this family, this is a key bit of information. Is this family in any way like influencers?

Are they a random family? The mom does have like 80,000 on TikTok. But is it after the video was posted or? Most likely, probably, yeah. So no way. There's no way she got 80,000 followers just from that. That baby is viral. Oh, but is it after the video was posted or most likely probably yeah, so no wait There's no way she got 80,000 followers just from that baby is viral How viral she's on the news ABC News just did an interview with the baby and the baby was like talking Okay, I just don't think she got 80,000 followers just from that one

Now I really need to know how old this baby is. She does get a lot of views. So she might've had this following. Yeah, let's go back prior to the Superviory. So that got 60 million. He got eight million, another four million. Their same baby dressed up in a tuxedo eating spaghetti. What is that? Well, this is all post the the video

The baby is one years old. Oh the baby's one. I called it. I'm shocked the The tuxedo spaghetti eating baby video. I was posting after the original video was wasn't it posted by the ant? Okay, so these are all after so that the spaghetti one is after at the Four Seasons. Oh, that's the news clip. It was after? Yes. Because the original video, I believe, was posted by the baby's aunt. What about before?

It doesn't look like it's a... This is her earliest video. So her earliest video is 600,000. So now the baby is an influencer? Yeah. Basically. The baby has a calling card and an agent. The youngest influencer in the world.

It's interesting. I'm excited to talk to Dani and Nia about this, of many other things. Obviously Nali and I have been very like generous with posting of River. She's very young, she looks like a little larva. We're like, you know, everyone's just debating who she looks like. She looks like me, she looks like Nali, look at my dad. It's just like, we're all like, sure. But lately, you know, Nali and I more and more are having conversations about like,

I think we're gonna slow it down or even stop like showing River's face. Like as soon as she starts becoming her own person, like a human, like recognizable, I don't know. It's just like, and I'm not here to judge people who share their kid. It's just, it's a scary world out there on the internet. People, like once we post a photo or video of River, it's there for anyone to do whatever

they want with. People have done stuff with it already. Nothing like nefarious or, you know, I thought it was creepy, but to each their own. Like a montage video? No, I don't know. Yeah, it's just a weird world. I mean, this baby was memeified pretty fast. There's a lot of videos that are clipped about the baby

and they're speaking over the baby. Because this is a one-year-old baby larva that's having a full-on conversation. Yeah, but now the baby can talk. It's got a voice now. Like, remember one of the first videos that Natalie posted of River where she was two weeks old and she had that like, mm, eh, and she like...

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That went super viral. I don't know if it got 60 million. It got. The attitude one. I think it got like 30 million. Yeah. I think it got like 30 million or something.

I love that video. Which almost made me feel a little uncomfortable. It's just like how many, you know, I don't know. It's just a weird thing, but I hope these parents don't make this one-year-old a influencer now, because it looks like they're Influencer leo was right that this is the aunt that's posting the videos But I don't know this baby's aunt or aunt and yeah, I just I just copied what you said, but I have always had aunt

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Come on in. Hi. Hey. Yo. Hi. How's it going? So good, how are you guys? Good. Did you guys watch this video?

Uh oh, video. Oh boy. The baby going to the Four Seasons? No, this isn't about, don't worry, it's not about you guys. Not yet, no, we're not putting you on blast yet, no. All right, welcome guys. Thank you. What up? Hi. Good to putting you on blast yet. No. All right. Welcome guys. Thank you. What up? Hi. Good to have you. Good to be here. Danny, get that mic right. I know.

You're a voice guy. I am a voice guy. You should know this. But I also really love my wife and I'm trying to get close. It's a very flexible. It's a very flexible. Boom. Yes, we must maintain appearances on the Vile Files. Here we go. Perfect, perfect. You look very comfortable. Did you guys see the Four Seasons baby? Yes. Didn't you repost something about it

on your Insta stories now? Did I? I don't know. I feel like I thought I saw from you. Did you guys repost something on my Insta story? The Four Seasons baby? That was my child. I was like, oh, did I post?

Quick, Natalie, we need a teacher to say me. Are you saying Four Seasons Baby? Have you seen it? Have you not seen it? It's the cutest thing ever. It is cute. I have it right here if you wanna see it. But then now, it seems like immediately

they've made their kid an influencer. Great. I have a question for everybody. Who wants to go to the Four Seasons Orlando? Me! Little baby. Now show them the spaghetti one. Well, did you see the, there you go. Oh my gosh.

Now they went to the Four Seasons with me. And made a whole social media thing with it. How do you feel about making your kids influencers? Oh gosh. Do you guys have conversations about that? We talk about it all the time. We do, we do. Because it's like.

Do you have any notes for it? Because, yeah, like River, we were explaining, just a little baby larva. Yeah, little cutie. She's a little cutie, but like, you know, she could go either way at this point, you know? Who knows what she's gonna look like? You know, our babies-

She's cute now, but like, who knows? Our babies aren't influencers, they're actually professional actors. They are. And they're not even one year old. Are they? Yes, this is true. They are not even one year old. Are they? Yes. This is true. They are Meryl Streep.

What have they been on? They are on the full last season of Young Sheldon and they really do cry. Together or are they playing one person? They're playing one baby. They're doing the Mary-Kate and Ashley thing. They laugh on cue, they cry on cue, they're hilarious. They are really good.

River was asked to potentially be on Grey's Anatomy. Oh. We haven't gotten a call that They don't know how that worked but they're like, yeah if we it was one of those things where they would You know, they need newborns or something. Yeah, it's big but you know, the twins thing is is the the kicker because Like Extort your kids for longer. Exactly. And they just worked with Harrison Ford.

I saw that video. This past weekend. How is Harrison? He was awesome. He's one of my iconic. Me too. They're like, hey, just so you know, is it okay if Harrison Ford kisses

one of the babies on the forehead in the scene? And I said, can he kiss my forehead? He did. Can he? What show is this for? His show on Apple Plus called Shrinking. Shrinking, good show. Jason Segel. Jason Segel. He was so sweet. Every time I was holding one of the babies, he would come up to me and the baby

and start saying hi and chatting with the little, I mean, she doesn't talk, but he was talking to her. It was so cute. He's like a sweet old grandpa. It's just great when you have like, you got to hang out with him. I mean, he's like a little boy. He's like a little boy. He's like a little boy. He's like the little, I mean, she doesn't talk, but he was talking to her.

It was so cute. He's like a sweet old grandpa. It's just great when you have like, You got to hang out with the person. You know, you have a legend and they're actually kind because I've had, you know, the opposite a few times. Being in this business, I won't tell. Come on, Gary.

Come on, we're on a podcast. You gotta say something. Give us one. Give us one person. You're like, you know what, they could have been. If you don't say it, I'll say it. Wow. you know what they could have been. If you don't say it I'll say it Wow, I know who you're thinking about. Do you do? Yes. Who? Shoot what's the movie where you're like in the military? Yeah

Steven Seagal was not. Oh he's living in Russia these days No one's gonna care about you talking shit about Steven Seagal. I know, but we did a movie together called Sniper Special Ops and it was just him and me and Yeah, the whole movie is you and Steven Seagal. Most of the scenes with him was with Daniel. I'm 40. So that must like, it was wild. We're the similar age. You know, I mean, it's like seeing- I used to sneak over to my friend's house to Watch Steven Seagal movies exactly exactly like hard to kill yeah, yeah, yeah, what was it? It's under siege under siege. That's what I was thinking of and then you got you got the star in a movie Yeah, yeah, and he didn't he wasn't nice to you. Yeah, you know he's he's just a he's that peculiar He wasn't super nice to anyone, right?

Right. He just like, he didn't even, they had two schedules. I'm telling stories that maybe I don't know if I should. Oh my gosh. But they had a schedule. I'll tell them. Very generous, Neo. I know, geez-o-peace.

They had a schedule. Okay, let me say it. Okay. We had two different shooting schedules. Are you guys still fighting after the episode? No, no, no. Love each other. Oh, is that why we're a united front after tonight's episode?

Yeah. Always. So we had two different shooting schedules. One, because he doesn't really like to work with actors anymore. He would rather just do his scenes to a wall, or the person who's reading script supervisor. Holding cue cards, pretty much. Holding cue cards. And then do all his scenes like that.

And then the other- Like key you in? No, then I would come and do my scenes, but he wouldn't be there. He would walk, he would leave. I'd be doing it. So it's all the trick of the camera, you know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They would just have coverage of one person and then the other. So the whole movie is just like an over the shoulder shot? No, no, so he ended up seeing my reel or something, or he wanted to see my reel, and he was like, okay, yeah, I'd like to work with him. It just depends on how he feels.

If he's in the mood to shoot with another person, or if he wants to be by himself. Gosh, we shot this right before our wedding, remember? Because they wanted me to do like a shaved head military haircut. And I was like, I can go a two guard on the sides. That's that's as far as I'm going. Can we can we see that? Can we bring up a cover of this movie? What's the movie called? Sniper Special Ops. Sniper Special Ops. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's on Amazon Netflix, something. Yeah, it was on all of them. It was a big Lionsgate film. Yeah. There we are. Daniel's the one with the

binoculars. I want to see Daniel. Right next to him. Daniel's the one with the binoculars. I wanna see Daniel. I don't care if I fucking see him. Right next to him. When there's one with Stephen Seagal looking at him. Did you see it? I gotta get my eyes checked. I did see it. Are you in the middle or on the left? That's not, I'm not on that one.

You're not, yeah. Cause I'm like, you look like a giant. Oh, right there. One more down. Yeah. That's me. So you're his spotter. I was a spotter.

I was a sniper spotter. I'm absolutely watching this movie. Over this. It's not theter. I was a sniper spotter. I'm absolutely watching this movie It's not your best work not that I killed it you killed I killed thing overall was overall, you know, I mean it was a That was that situation What was more difficult working with Steven Seagal or Jax Taylor? Ooh! That's a good question. Wow.

Wow. Well, I didn't really work with Steven Seagal because literally after his scenes, he did leave and I did. He's like, fuck this guy. Yeah, I did my scenes with him. Your reel is better than your reel. And 19-year-old P.A. who was holding up, you know. Like saying his lines.

Yeah, saying his lines. Yeah. So I would have to say it was harder to work with Jax because I didn't really work with him. Yeah. Yeah. Are you friends with him? Jax?

Yeah. That's how we got connected to the whole friend group was Daniel and Jax connected. That is how we got connected. I have known him over the years for like, you know, I've been out here for 20 years now. So over the last decade, but I never watched Vanderpump but we had like mutual friends

so we'd see each other here and there. And it was always like, hey, what's up? But then a couple of years ago, I'm from Michigan. He's from Michigan, Lions were playing the Rams and our mutual friend who is Edwin, how do you say his last name? Arroyay, Arroyvay? Teddy Mellencamp's husband. Oh, true, yeah.

Uh, we're good friends with them. Uh, we all meet at his place to carpool. And Jax comes in and I'm like, hey, what's going on, dude? He's like, yo. And then, uh, found out we were both from Michigan, and then, you know, during the game, we kind of really connected and clicked. And he was like, you know, us dads, we had just had kids. We hadn't had Ashley yet.

I was like, due any day now. Like eight, nine months pregnant. And he had just had Cruz. So he was like, I'm not doing the whole thing anymore. Like going out and you know, partying. Partying. Being, I'm a great husband. We needed to stick together and you know. I want to be with other good husbands. What did you know about him when you became,

so how long ago was this? I knew, oh I knew, everybody told me they were like, you know, I think I posted a picture, but yeah, it was at, we were at his New Year's Eve party, and everybody was like, what are you doing with Jax Taylor? He's the biggest D bag like on the planet. And I never had got that vibe from him

from after the football game and I had never watched Vanderpump. You're like watching football is almost the best. Exactly. Even like at their house. We would hang out and go and they became good friends with Brittany. I feel like we have to say this. I like defended him like to the core with everybody. I'm like, he's a great dad. He's a great husband. He's like has done a complete 180 to what everybody thinks. That's how the like relationship started

was him saying I'm in a new stage of life. I'm a dad, I'm a husband, I want to be around other good men that aren't going out and partying that are like living a good quality life with their family. So I was like yes I'm down for that like even if you sign us up everybody has a past right but like you're now in this new stage where you wanna be a family man and all of that. So like, cool. Nellie and I are in the market for parent friends. Exactly.

And that's what he was literally saying. Who is our kid gonna hang out with in five or six years? And that's what he was saying. He was like, I need other parents with kids the same age. Let's hang out, let's be friends. I was like, cool. And then didn't know the past. I mean, you should see me even off camera know the past. And I mean, you should see

me even off camera at the like hangs. And when Kristen will say, Oh yeah, when I hooked up with someone, so when I'm like, you hooked up with that, like, I have no idea. I'm learning as we go. Like you guys, you didn't think signing up for the Valley. All right. Maybe we should go back and watch some of these people work. Literally. I have seen a couple episodes. So it was about six months later that Jax came to me with this idea. He said, hey, you know, it's been a few years since we've done a reality show.

And he pitched me this thing, which wasn't what it ended up turning out. No, his pitch was not what we experienced. His pitch was families. Jack Taylor said one thing and then doing another? Exactly. Holy shit. It was couples that had kids, they moved to the valley. Okay.

And, you know, they went from popping bottles to warming bottles. And, you know, it's gonna be- That's a good tagline. It's gonna be funny, it's gonna be guys, dad's trying to change diapers while the wives go to Palm Springs. He's like, it's just gonna be hilarious. It's gonna be like middle America is just gonna love it.

And I was like, this seems like fun and harmless. And trying to still be successful in your career and your industry, but having kids and that juggle and that challenge, that's what we were, he pitched you guys a sitcom and y'all ended up on a soap opera. Exactly. But at what point were you guys like brushing your teeth at night and be like,

what the hell did we do? Let me continue. Every day? Every day. So then all of a sudden, Scandival happened. So this was like. Well, so you agreed to the valley before Scandival. Right. Interesting.

Scandival happened, we start getting calls, and they're like, this thing's green lit. And we're gonna start shooting. They're like immediately, let's make five shows. Exactly. Yes, and let's do it now. And also, Jax was like, it's never gonna be about Vanderpump, I don't want anything to do

with Vanderpump, it's not gonna be like that drama. And it ends up being a Vanderpump spinoff. And still, myself. Like, why is a half of the cast of Vanderpump... I went in with just rose-colored glasses. Rose-colored glasses. I was so stupid. I was like, this is gonna be... He's like, yeah, we're gonna be playing, like, Pickleball,

and we're gonna be doing this and going on trips. And I'm like, this is gonna be great. This is gonna be fun. And then, literally, if you've watched the show, every episode, me and I are just looking at each other like what is happening? People are slamming tables and like actually these couples hate each other and you know.

We had no idea what we were getting into. Okay, well that's interesting to know just because I don't know, I'm sure you guys will listen to the show. I've listened to some episodes. We're very critical of one Jack Taylor. Love you guys. Thank you. It's just like you know but we also understand sometimes maybe sometimes people are making TV you know but like we

think Vanderpump's one of the most authentic shows on television so for the most part we we like to believe that these people are really being authentic. Like, do you think, is Jax Taylor just who he, I've interacted with him a couple times, but I'm so hard on him. Like, do we try to give him the benefit out or is that a wasted energy? I mean, at this point in like life,

we should have cameras up like a month ago. Like, we should have already been recording. I'm like, Jax is just. With what's been going on. Right, he is what you see. That's what I thought. He came out with a tweet about you two in a response saying. Oh my gosh, he's so annoying.

Right, saying somebody was like that you two are their favorite couple on the show and then his response was like stay tuned. Insinuating that there's more to come. Do you know what he's talking about or is he trying to like, keep you guys in a light? Last night's episode. I was gonna say.

Did you feel like it was aired authentically? Okay, so yes. And before we, like before all the episodes came out, we're like, we lived it, we know what we experienced, all the craziness, we're just gonna laugh at ourselves, like laugh everything off. So I'm trying to just like have like a, whatever it happened, we know what we experienced, all the craziness. We're just gonna laugh at ourselves, like laugh everything off. So I'm trying to just have like a whatever it happened, we're past it, it was six months ago kind of thing.

But yeah, it was intense to watch back. Do you wanna, what do you wanna say, Boo? It was a year ago. Can I just say anything you wanna address? Yes, yes, yes. This is your moment. Yes, in the words of Jax Taylor, I had one too many sodas that day.

You want to blame it on the alcohol. Exactly. And the altitude. Blame it on the altitude. Yeah, I was gone, baby gone. And we were at the table and I was dressed up as this character and I was doing, you know, these big gestures and things, but then, you know, people started to bring up our personal drama of like where we wanted to live.

And then I felt starting to get like attacked, attacked, attacked. And it turned into me getting a bit defensive and not having a long fuse and maybe snapping on my wife for a second. So that wasn't fun. So what we put up into this point, we were like, Danny's the one good guy. Exactly. And I am. And I am the one guy who actually knows how to talk to his wife. And I am. This was a weak moment.

People have moments Yes, so this is one. I definitely so not since we have your wife here with us talk We feel like this was an out-of-pocket experience for your for your husband Yeah, this was a moment and it was we can still prop him up as he's still an amazing man. Yes Yes, yes, he has husband goals and I think it's also like people have moments and I don't like being put up in this like people are like they're perfect and we are not perfect. We are not perfect and we have our arguments, we have our things and we all have our moments. So like I'm actually kind of glad like we're not propped up as this like perfect couple because like we had a moment and we talk it out later.

And you know, I don't think the full... He gave me this beautiful full apology, I'm so sorry, blah, blah, blah. I don't even think that makes it on camera, but he did apologize the next day. No, it didn't. It didn't. I love how they... That matters less, the on-camera part. What really matters is you felt like... Of course. Exactly. Exactly. But just, it's weird with these things. It's the first time doing a show like this to where it happened a year ago and then you have to relive it all over again. So, the... And I knew this episode was coming,

and I didn't know how it was gonna be portrayed, but I just knew, like, I had anxiety about it. I was like, oh, this big bear, this big bear, this big bear, that didn't go well. I did not make smart decisions on this trip. And, uh, you know, you have to kind of relive it over and over and just, you know, making sure that she's checking in with her, seeing how she's feeling about it, coming back and

having to... I still am dealing with some postpartum emotions. I'm in like in a different stage. It's not really like postpartum depression. My therapist, which now I have an incredible therapist, is like, you're starting to wean and there's a huge hormone drop when you're not breastfeeding as much anymore. So I'm like going through all my emotions watching the show back and I'm just like,

oh, this is not fun to relive it even though like we've moved past it, but it just brings it back up sometimes. So he is doing a good job of like, how are you doing? How do you feel after watching that? Is there anything I can do for you now? So he's good at checking in because I do still get emotional.

So it's life. You're only human. Because I love you so much. Thank you. I wasn't going to ask. You were going to go in for a dig. I have a question. Because you two are one of two couples that are still

together on the show. Yep. I mean, Kristen and Luke. Kristen and Luke, but they're not married yet. Right, married couples. Janet and Jason. Oh my gosh. With all of the drama and seeing everybody else's

relationships and whatnot, what do you two do to keep yourselves sane in that environment, let alone nurse your relationship? Yeah. I feel like you have so many influences that are just like, get out while the goings, you know? So what do you guys do to keep sane? I mean, I feel like we just check in

with each other all the time. Like we really, really communicate well. I mean, and I feel like you see check in with each other all the time. Yeah. Like we really, really communicate well. I mean, and I feel like you see that on the show with the other couples. Like, they don't have the best communication. Right. And we really do like slow down, check in multiple times with each other. Like, how are you doing? Are we still feeling good?

Are we on the same team? We really just make sure each other's okay. And, you know, we have three kids under two. Well, three kids under three now. Three kids under three. Three kids under three. Life is wild. So life is wild, you know? And we really don't have time to like, you know, we're raising children, trying to be the best dad and the best husband and she's the most amazing, you know, wife and mom. And, you know, that's what keeps us busy.

But being intentional on checking in with each other. And we have a lot of support, which is great, so that we can try to do date nights, keep each other. Because the thing is, you hear a lot of the couples saying, my child's number one, my child's number one, and I'm like, our relationship is number one for us, and our child is right there next to it, but we have to keep our relationship healthy

for our family to be healthy. So it's like, that's important. Did you guys have any of those conversations? I mean, I love that you guys say that. That's great. But did you, to kind of piggybacking off of Sierra's question, did you guys have conversations between the two of you going into filming?

Like, Nell and I would never do what you guys do. Yeah. Yeah. You know? And I say that with like awe and also appreciation. We love the show, we love talking about it. Yeah. You know? And I say that with like awe and like also appreciation. We love the show. We love talking about it. You know, Nellie and I obviously get asked from time to time

like, what'd you guys ever do? Like, how about, you know, what? Yeah. It's like, absolutely not. Yeah. Because like. Why not? Oh, so many reasons.

Uh, one. I'm gonna bring out my notes. Um, well, one, it's just the track record of married couples or just relationships in general on reality TV, there isn't a good one. Two, it's just like, and I feel like you guys kind of demonstrate this on the show a little bit, but I feel like our number one rule,

like Nali and I, as a couple, it's just like we, more than anything, protect each other. You know? It's like they always a couple it's just like we more than anything like protect each other, right? You know, like, you know, it's like they always say it's just like you have something to say like do it in privacy Like if you know if like an employee were to come up and be like, I think this like hey, you know You can talk to me about anything, but let's not do it in front of the team kind of thing Even I think as a couple husband and wife just like you want to protect each other You always want to have each other's backs. You want to be united front, be a team. And to make reality TV,

that goes against the entire concept of being a reality TV star, is to talk about your friends and closest people behind their backs, and your confessionals. It's the whole nature of it. So to be a good reality TV star almost means you have to be a bad partner. Right. One could argue.

Yeah. Right. How did you guys approach that as a couple who so far seems you guys, you say a lot of the great good things, you're demonstrating a healthy relationship. Maybe you guys have the benefit of having a bunch of assholes on, you know. That is so, you know. So like, we're good, Danny, we have Jesse. Exactly, exactly.

We will let them carry the drama. No, you know, we wanted to go into this and kind of flip the, turn the tables and say, hey, let's show what a healthy marriage is. You know what I mean? And I think that's why we've got such positive feedback and thousands and thousands of comments and DMS of just like, thank you for staying true and not getting involved in all the BS and and showing how much you guys love each other and how you guys communicate that and are intentional about it. Um, by no means

again, are we are we perfect? Obviously we have our ups and downs. And yes, then some people say, well, they're doing the bare minimum. Look who they're around. You know what I mean? It's like the bar is set pretty low and they're just shining because of that. But we wanted to bring light to things like postpartum,

like postpartum depression, things that's just going. Which I didn't know I was gonna be experiencing when we started filming. but we just were like, we're gonna just show the real real of our life and our life is crazy enough without it being like, is so and so cheating on so and so or has a drinking problem? Like our life is crazy, just not that kind of crazy.

So we'll let them carry that kind of crazy because that's really their life and it's quite unfortunate to see because like the girls said it things, like I love all the girls and it's so sad to see them dealing I like, with the girls' side of things, like, I love all the girls, and it's so sad to see them dealing with all the craziness of their relationships. And then we'll just show what our drama, it's not their kind of drama, but it's our own drama.

And like you said, you know, I wanted to protect her, wanted to protect our marriage, you know. I was on Jax's podcast, and Vanderpump, everybody's hooking up with each other, and they're all, like, still best friends and all that type of stuff. And I'm like, that's not normal. Okay?

That's not normal. Like one way we protect our marriage is anybody that we've been dated or like physically intimate with or whatever, we just cut that off, you know? Don't play with fire. We just try to protect our marriage in any way that we can.

Yeah, yeah. It's, do you think Jax Taylor would rather be a better husband or a better TV star? Would he rather be? Yeah. Not what he would say. You want to answer? You can take it.

I mean, I feel like he the, what is it, in the pudding? What is it? Proof is in the pudding. Yeah, thank you. I'm really not great with my sayings. Yeah, no, I feel like you can see. We won't hold that against you. I was like, I'll answer it.

TV star. Yeah. You think he'd rather be a better dad or a better TV star? Dad. I mean, he loves Cruz with all his heart. Do you think he really means that? I do. I see him with, when he's with Cruz, that's his whole world, but I think everything else

is just like, let's, you know. But isn't like demonstrating good character as a human being or demonstrating how you talk to your wife or how you treat your wife, isn't that part of being a good parent? Absolutely. 100%. Yeah, I see the flip side of that. I mean, you know, like how much does he really care?

I think everyone talks about how they wanna be, how much their kids matter. And I'm not saying they don't matter. I'm sure Jax loves his kid in the way Jax knows how to love, but maybe that's limited. Yeah, I mean, here's my perspective. I really think that he's struggling.

I think he's got a lot going on. And Jax does, yeah. And he's like, I think he really needs to address mental, emotional, I think he's going through a lot and he's maybe obviously not handling it in a healthy way. I think he needs to like dive deep and do some work. But is he willing to do that? Is he willing to go to a great therapist?

I don't know, but I think he needs to work on himself. Yeah, he's done a lot of Bravo therapy. Right, which like that doesn't count at all to me. No, it doesn't count. No, they're just, they're just updating the audience. Like here's what happened last time. Exactly. No, it doesn't count. There's updating the audience. Here's what happened last episode. Exactly. There's some real big changes that need to happen

and some sacrifices that need to take place. And again, with the show comes all the fame and all that and that becomes like a drug as well. And then you lose your wife and your marriage. You know what I mean? It's the saying of what good is a man who gains the world if he loses his soul? You know what I mean?

Or a family. Is that a saying? That's Bible, bro. Oh. That's a verse. Exactly. And going into this, we did say, I told him, I was like,

our marriage and our relationship is number one, most important. So if I feel like at any point, this is negatively affecting our marriage, like we're out, we did say, I told him, I was like, our marriage and our relationship is number one most important. So if I feel like at any point this is negatively affecting our marriage, like we're out, we're done, that our marriage is more important than anything else. So like, we're not gonna just ride the wave into what all these other relationships are hitting.

Like we have to keep us first over the show, over the paycheck, over the experience, the fame. Like our relationship is most important. And that's why we didn't go along with a lot of stuff that was even on the show. It's like, who else would you have a threesome with? Excellent answer, Danny. And the girl was great.

We just don't go there. Right, that's not how we do things in our relationship. You're like, ahhh. Weird couples night. Yeah. Right? Who wants to fight first? Exactly.

This is how we make TV. I know, I know. So, you know. I was really touched last week, Danny, by the emotions you shared when you were talking about your relationships with other men. Uh-huh, uh-huh.

Yeah, do you have anything more? You wanna touch on that? Yeah, I mean, I thought it was very vulnerable. I was also like, it was like vulnerable, but also I was a bit kind of like no, but like why these men You know like why are we why are we Shedding tears over it's like I hear you trying to explain vulnerability to Jesse like it's just like but I but I appreciate no, but in all seriousness like you know, I think as Men I think especially as we get older, you know

And we and we invest and we and we get married and we're lucky enough to have a partner that we really want to value This relationship and we have kids we do want to surround ourselves with with people who share our values Right, and and I think you know, I think nowadays all people are having a hard time making and maintaining friendships Yeah, especially people. I don't know where you're from, Nia. Are you from around here? California. Okay, but like people who come to LA and kind of are transplanted,

and you've been around here for a while, but it's a tough town to maintain friendships. So like expressing that vulnerability, because I think a lot of men struggle with that, not holding on to some of their male friends. But have you given that more thought, you know, since you guys filmed that episode in terms of like, minus the TV side, you know, like, what kind of male friendships do you want to continue to invest in? Right, right. Yeah, ones that have more of a moral compass, that wanna be good human beings

and are intentional and showing that, you know. Because it's true, again, not to quote something else, but you do become like those you hang around. Yeah. You know, show me your five best friends and I'll show you your future. At the same time, I feel like you have a beautiful heart and you really want to encourage and uplift

and help guide Jesse and Jax in certain ways. Definitely. Jax is kind of going through it. He said on his own podcast, and Daniel's will call and check in, like, I'm here for you. Do you need someone to just hang with and talk to? You are trying to be a good influence for your friends, but it's also like, don't let them influence you.

Have you ever said to Jax, like, what the fuck, man? Ever? Yeah, yeah. What does he say? He usually deflects and brushes it off. Or I'll say, I am really going through a lot and try to call and then you know He won't pick up we've been trying to get you know, I want to get some one-on-one time to just

Really see how he's doing because I feel like he is even if you if you follow him on social media like some of the Stuff he's posting is like I'm depressed like I'm putting on a smile because I have to but like there's some Inner-deep and even on his podcast. He was like, I don't know how to be happy I'm always chasing the next thing I'm not happy. I think the last time I was happy was when Cruz was born and that was you know, three years ago So it's sad. It really is sad But he just tries to keep himself busy busy busy busy busy to you know, and other things to to mask it and and and a medicaid With the wrong things.

It makes me so sad for him. I know. I know. Because I do know that deep down we have had good conversations before the show, and it was like you can see a soul in there, you can see a heart in there that really does want to change and does care, but he's just got to start doing things to Make it better. What about Jesse? Oh, Jesse? Oh, Jesse Jesse Jesse fucking hate him No, I don't know I mean I think a person he represents on TV. Yeah, I've never met him Yeah, so I I don't we didn't't seem like my kind of guy Yeah, you wrap that towel around your neck. I was like, um, no and that and then I think that going into obviously Drinking all day and big bear was a big mistake

Especially with these guys who drink like two bottles of tequila by themselves You know, it was a lead-up of that in the in the van then him not Apologizing after I had brought it up and was asking for one, just like trying to, I don't like not being on the same page with someone, not being liked, really. And I feel like I had a target on my back, you know, a lot of the, a couple months of us filming with Jesse.

So. Almost like a target on the back where like, did Jesse not appreciate like how good of a partner, like almost like you, he wanted you to grow it up almost like not, not grow it up, but maybe like be more of a fuck. Probably probably that. And also, you know, do you like tease you for being a kiss ass to your wife or shit like that? Yeah. You know, he's, he, he did a lot a lot of that see that way. I would just be like, thank you, right? Exactly no, you know, I would say, you know, I just I want to be a light to you man

Like I want to you know help in this area and obviously I know you're you're marriage is struggling He's like, oh you want to be a light? I'm gonna call you Darkside Danny, you know? Oh yeah, he just like throws daggers. He makes it playful. He makes it playful. So the whole thing was kind of that. And then he was like, well, you know, I thought you had thick skin and da da da.

And that's where it was like, you know, I have two brothers and I've had this same kind of like conversation whenever we get into a quarrel, whenever it's, I'm same kind of like conversation whenever we get into a coral, whenever it's, it's, I'm always kind of like the peacemaker, but I get hurt, I get emotional. And I think that's what, um, you know, had taken place, uh, around the fire of just like, dude, I want, I want us to be good. I want us to be okay. I want you to be good. And also, I'm struggling with a lot of stuff that I'm going through right now too.

So it was just kinda being vulnerable with that. I do think with Jesse, I don't like how he treats Michelle. Like, as like the girls' girl side of it, I'm like, I don't have time for him. And then we'll have moments like at Jack's bar a few weeks ago, and you'll be like, oh, he's sweet, which is not what is shown on camera, but he came up to us, he's like, hey, I finally did the love language test.

He's like, I did it, and he has a girlfriend now, and he's like, and my girlfriend did it. Did you do that after his divorce? Yes. Yeah, I know, I know. But it's now apparently helping in his current relationship. And so he was so excited to tell us,

like, hey, I did that test, and I'm learning more about myself, and I'm learning about my girlfriend and like it's really great for us And obviously not so good after you divorce you have a child and all of that But it's like you see these like moments of like little little glimpses Yeah, and even after the that last episode you know he did semi-attacks apologizing He was like hey sorry for treating you how I did at the beach So you feel maybe he's making some positive changes in his life?

Yes. We're trying to plant some seeds here. I'm curious. I mean, I'm watching the Valley. You've been in this industry for a while. You've had your success. But Jesse, he just truly seemed like he was just a real estate bro. Right.

And so I'm watching this season and I'm thinking, why would anyone go on this show to look like this? Like why would they? I honestly am just like fascinated, but like what was Jesse thinking? Like what, I'm gonna go on this show so I can like show America that my wife fucking hates me. I mean how many times does he have to like talk about getting laid so that Michelle can look

like she's throwing up in her mouth? Oh my gosh. And I'm not even trying to be mean. It was just more like, have you talked to Jesse about what is his, how does he, did he just not know what he was getting into? Did he feel like he got a bad edit? I mean, I'm so fascinated by the character that is Jesse

and how has this affected him? Well, he said it on camera. He said, you know, I had a friend and he was like, he didn't really like me, but he said, you know, once I realize that you just are a douchebag and that you own that, that's really charming. And he's like, so that's kinda how I carry my life. That's how he carries himself.

He's like, I love it, this is who I am. I like to. We've all been douchebags at times. Exactly. We've all had douchebags exactly You don't want to label yourself exactly as a 40 some year old guy with a guy I'm like his happiest moment when you put on the roller blades Show these guys I play hockey Holy shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, is he happier now? He seems really happy

Yeah, and Michelle's so happy. Yeah, like, yeah, is he happier now? He seems really happy. Yeah, yeah, and Michelle's so happy Yeah, like so happy. Yeah, so She hated him Yeah, we didn't it's again You don't see a lot of the behind-the-scenes stuff went that other people are filming until you know, this show comes out So yeah, I had no idea how bad that was. We knew it was bad Okay, then you know with their scenes together Oh my gosh, and also I Jackson Brittany with their scenes together. It was like

That bad I thought that Jackson Brittany were like better. Oh, and they were I guess at a different place than Jesse and Michelle They were like a little bit better, but it just nothing was getting resolved Where is like Jesse Michelle? I didn't realize how bad it was I text her after the first few episodes and I said, I'm so sorry, because I don't think a lot of what I was talking with Michelle about made it to camera, but I kept being like, but if you guys just work on it, it can get better, and no,

they just were unhappy for so long, so. I feel bad. Why do you think they, do you think when they signed up and greeted the show that they must have known things weren't good? I think they knew it wasn't good. I think they were gonna try to work through it and show that on camera and see how it turned out

and it obviously did not turn out good. I was watching that big bear fight between Jax and Brittany. I mean, that was just heartbreaking to watch a husband speak to his wife, little a person speak to another person like that in a vulnerable moment. But it also didn't, like to that point,

it just didn't, like the way Jax was talking about, I mean, that's what's so scary about Jax is how good of a, I don't know, well, how good of a liar he is in this, but like he was just like, she gets sick every, does she get sick every time? Is it, like why is he, why was he going after her like that? So aggressive.

Yeah, I mean, I feel like it's maybe some type of thing where he's like taking intention off of himself. Like if she looks bad, then I won't look so bad. I don't know, but it makes him look bad because that's his wife. And so it doesn't look good. But it's also like Brittany, and she said this before, like she's dealt with a lot of stress induced,

like physical things. Like she used to break out in highs because of stress. And I feel like a lot of this was stress as well, but I'm like, it's stress that your husband's putting on you, so like, we need to figure something out here. I feel like it's Jack's induced stress that's inducing everything else, which is sad. Yeah, it's been tough to watch some of their stuff.

You make your wife sick. Literally. Exactly, I mean, that's the Jasmine quote when she was doing her confessional. She was like, yeah You make your wife sick. Literally. Exactly, that's the Jasmine quote. When she was doing her confessional, she was like, yeah, she's not sick, she's sick of you. How is Jamson, I haven't seen her since she choked me. I love her. I'm just kidding, I've seen her a few times,

but she's great. She's great, yeah, she's good. She's with family on the East Coast right now, but coming back soon, so. Did you guys film together? She was on my season of The Bachelor. Oh, she was, she was. How did we not talk about this?

We tried to do some research, you know, but I didn't know that. Put two hands on the back. She put her hands on you? You're gone. That's hilarious. That was 2016, they didn't care then. Yeah, yeah. No kidding.

Different times. Yep. Do you guys have an opinion on the Kristen, Zach, Janet little messiness that's going on? The dark comment that was allegedly made by Zach. Oh, it's going on now. Yeah, the comment war on Instagram. I mean, it's all just like sad.

I mean, we handle ourselves differently. I'm like, can't we just treat people better? Like, be better people, and that's obviously not what's happening. I don't know how season two is gonna be going. Like, how are we gonna even be in the same room with the like... Janet is obviously rightfully so like mad if all that was said. I wasn't there whenever it was said, but it's like... So you don't know if it was, if it's repeated verbatim?

I've heard the rumors about it, but I wasn't there whenever it was said, but it's like. So you don't know if it's repeated verbatim? I've heard the rumors about it, but I wasn't there. Apparently he said it after we had left Jax's bar opening. But yeah. Okay, so this was an off-camera thing that happened recently. No. Oh, this is before. This was a while ago.

Yeah, while filming. After filming. Yeah, after filming the finale. Right. Which you'll see. After filming the finale. Right. Which you'll see. After filming the finale, Zach. Zach, yeah. Allegedly wished death.

Upon Janet's unborn baby. And allegedly that she would commit suicide as well. It's like really, it's a really dark statement that's being repeated right now. Yeah, I didn't see. What did Zach say last week's episode? He's petty with a purpose. Petty with a purpose.

And then he was like, I'm only petty if you give me a purpose. Because you gave me a purpose. Which wasn't as clever as he wanted it to sound. He's had some witty one-liners here and there, but yeah. Like isn't that the point of being petty? Exactly. Exactly. Anyways, knowing the people involved

and knowing that they're just rumors, who do you guys tend to believe? I plead the fear. Yeah, yeah. I plead. It's just so uncomfortable. It's like so, like if he really said that, like it's just wrong and uncomfortable and like, ooh.

It's horrible. I feel like you believe in Janet, yeah. Yeah, I mean I'm friends with both of them, so that's also hard. Like that's, I feel like I'm similar to Brittany where I'm like, ooh. It's horrible. I feel like you believe in Janet, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I'm friends with both of them, so that's also hard. Like that's, I feel like I'm similar to Brittany where I'm like, I'm friends with everybody, but like you can't be a terrible person. I think they are.

There's no comment. There's no comment. I don't think so, not a response from him. It was a response from Kristen saying that she had miscarried, that she would never say anything like that or be associated with that. And then Janet was like, I'm glad to know that you finally will speak out

against your friend saying something awful. So I mean, Janet's tentoes, this happened and this was said and Kristen saying that she didn't and Zach has not made a comment. But it wasn't said to, oh, yeah, this is so much telephone. It's a lot of hearsay. Yeah, he said she said, so it's kind of like.

He didn't say it to her. He said it to somebody else who said Ben brought it somehow got to her. Anyway, season two is gonna be crazy. Yeah. I mean, it's probably gonna be addressed then. Are you excited or nervous? I think a little bit of both. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Do you know when you're supposed to start filming or is there... Summer. Summer's a long time. Yep. I have no idea the exact date. Any thoughts on Lala being a part of your cast? Well, Jax says Jax is making it very clear.

There's no way, no how. I'm like, are you the boss? Are you the making the decision? This is his show, okay? He's got a lot of meetings. He came up with everything. He is the CEO, the producer, the, you know. Casting. Exactly. He is the one. He's a one man show. Yes, exactly.

He has publicly said numerous times. How would you feel about Lala being a part of your cast? Okay, I love Lala. I've been around her plenty with all the group friend hangs and all that kind of stuff. And I really, I feel like I'm generally a bit of like a softer person, but I really appreciate like a strong woman.

So I love her and I think it would be fun. I would never want to get on her bad side. Yeah, what happens if you don't want to have a conversation? Yeah, we'll see how it goes. What happens if you and Danny have a fight and then you just move on and you get over it? Right, and Lala's not over it. And you're like, you know what, I don't know if I feel like

just roasting my husband on camera. We've squashed this. She's like, that's not what you said on the. We've squashed this. Exactly. She's like, that's not what you said on the phone to me three months ago. That's not what you fucking said, motherfucker. That's right. Yeah, exactly.

Yup. I just never want to be on Lola's bad side, but I do love a strong woman, and so I appreciate that about her, but just try not to get on her bad side. So you will welcome her and just not show up to the day she's blowing everything? I'm just, yeah, I'm just wondering,

yeah, who's coming back and... Do you not know? ...are significant, and not at this time. And are there significant others that are gonna be... Right, like it's Jesse's girlfriend and Michelle's boyfriend, and like, it's Jackson's... And what's going on with Jackson, Brittany, you know what I mean? Other people, you know, like, what does it look like?

Yeah, you guys, I would think it would be fair game for the OG cast, you guys, being questionable, question all the intentions of like, whoever the new girlfriend is, things like that. For like, I mean, do you guys know Jo from Vanderpump? Have you met her? I've never met her. Mm-mm. She seems terrible.

We've watched them. No idea about her at all. She just seems like she climbed her way onto the show. Yeah. That's just my take. Well, we have been watching some of Annapurna. Yeah. It's tough to see.

What part? Her cry. Do you feel sorry for Joe? I feel a little bit, I feel a little bit of, you know, the scene where she like really loved Tom and like was hoping things were gonna work and you know, he was like. I mean, I feel bad she's sad.

Right. What about all the going on the Instagram Lives and. Yeah, are you up to date on all that? No, that new stuff, I'm not up to date on that, so. I got three kids. I got 17 kids. You're just a sweet man who doesn't wanna see people cry. Exactly. Okay. Exactly.

Do you guys spend time with your cast members off camera? Like who have you seen the most, who do you spend the most time with and like who do you stay away from? Or like, okay, I'll see you when cameras pick back up. I feel like it's a sprinkling of everybody. Like when we're filming, it's like, all right, we're all getting together at least once a week

in a group setting and we'll like do our own individual hangs. We see Michelle almost every week. We see Jesse almost every week. We see Jesse here and there. I see Brittany, Kristen, Zach last week. So we kind of see everybody sprinkling. I went golfing with Luke. Yeah, so we see everybody here and there,

but it's like when you're filming, it's just all condensed. What a decent amount, it sounds like you guys are- Actually friends. Are friends, yeah. Here and there. Yeah. Yeah. You're begrud yeah. Here and there. Yeah. Yeah.

You're begrudgingly friends with them. No, I actually do care about these people. Are Jesse and Michelle cool with each other now? I think they're getting to a better place. We did pick up cameras when the separations were happening, so I think that'll be in the final episode. I don't know, we haven't seen it. But as they were separating and figuring out their thing,

and then Brittany and Jax, that's all, we got a lot of that on camera. So that should, I'm assuming, we'll make it into the final episode. Yeah, the cliffhangers are pretty intense. Okay. And sane. I love this, truly. And also I do have to give you credit, Nia,

being so vulnerable about your postpartum and that journey. Thank you. I can't imagine what it's like having three under three, let alone all of a sudden having cameras in your face I do have to give you credit, Nia, being so vulnerable about your postpartum and that journey. I can't imagine what it's like having three under three, let alone all of a sudden having cameras in your face and having to be like, this is me, this is how it is. How was filming throughout that process and trying to understand what you're emotionally going

through, let alone not performing, but being authentic, but also having cameras around? Yeah, it was really hard because I'm like one of those people that like mentally prepares, all right, we're doing this, we're gonna like show how crazy our life is with all the small children. I was not mentally prepared for what I was experiencing like hormonally and emotionally and all of that.

So it was like, I would be crying at home and all right, we have to go film now, put on a happy face and just like try to like be present in the moment and, put on a happy face and just try to be present in the moment and not like, I would try to push aside what I was feeling. But then after a while you're like, you can't push it aside forever and you're filming and eventually it's gonna come up.

Obviously it came up a lot, I cried a lot on camera, but it's just one of those things where it felt really out of my control. I couldn't stop it, so just, I couldn't be like, oh, I don't want to cry today. Like it's, it wasn't something I could control. I think it was appreciated though, because I haven't had a baby or anything,

but it's seeing the authenticity of what's actually going on in life and that it's not all about the drama. And I really liked when you were at dinner and one of the girls wanted to talk drama and you were just like, I've got enough on my plate that I can't handle this. But I'm like, it's really cool seeing

like authentic adult relationships and also, as I said, you just being so true to yourself in that moment. Like I know that we're on a show and that we're supposed to do all this gossip, but like honestly, my brain can't handle it. So I just wanted to give you so much credit for that because it was really great to watch. Yeah, there was a lot of times where I'm like,

I just don't have the capacity for this. Yeah. Right. My cup is full with the kids and the emotions and all the things like love you. I'm sorry that I just don't have the capacity for this. Yeah. My cup is full with the kids and the emotions and all the things like, love you. I'm sorry that this is happening, but like I can't jump into it with you right now. Maybe next season, not right now. But you didn't have to, you didn't have to,

you didn't have to go there. You didn't have to, you could have kept a face of- I tried. No, I know. I tried to keep it together. No, but I'm saying I was really proud of you that you did feel, you know, so vulnerable and able to share everything that was really going on.

Thank you. Yeah, it's been like positive on like people reaching out on social media and all that. Like even women saying, I didn't have the words to express how I was feeling, but like your words helped me. And that, I mean, meant a lot to me because I didn't even feel like I had the right words. I'm sitting here in the interview chair trying to express what I'm going through or express it in real time. And it's like, it feels like so hard to describe what's being experienced,

but I'm glad I could put some words to it that people relate to. So. Well, it's nice to see you guys have a healthy relationship amongst the sea of- The chaos. The chaos. The crazy. I hope you guys can a healthy relationship amongst the sea of the sea of the sea of the sea of the sea. The chaos. The crazy.

I hope you guys can keep it together. We're trying. Oh, we will. I do have one question. Did we ever decide the definition of a Napoleon company? Yes. I think you're wrong, Danny.

I was like, where's the mic? You were so confident, too. Yeah. Basically, you're just like, if the person just like if the person's short. The person's short. It's Napoleon. Exactly. Exactly.

Napoleon complex. What is it? Wump date somebody over 5'3"? Right. Can't date somebody taller than me. How tall are you? You're not that short, are you Mia? Me?

No, I'm 5'7". Yeah, we're the same height. Yeah, what were you even talking? Your own wife. I was, I know I was saying this is like when people were talking I was like you're like I'm not Napoleon No, I'm five seven. No What was happening is people were saying what their types were and I said before Nia

I was I would never date a girl like over five three five four And I was like is it it Napoleon complex? Maybe. And then Jason was like, that's not right. That's not what Napoleon complex means. Leave it to the lawyer. And I was like, no, it is. And Jax goes, uh-huh.

I was like, no, dude. It's cause if you think you're short, you just become a dick because you overcompensate. Yeah. Did you learn how to use a drill? you just become a dick because you overcompensate. Did you learn how to use a drill? Daniel is not a handyman. I saw that. I got three kids, I know how to use a drill.

Oh my gosh. Okay. And these comments. All right. And even there's like moments. You're gonna lose your number one guy status, Danny. America's sweetheart is gone. I know he's a joke We get it you fuck

No, no, I'm not uh, you know God did not bless me with the gene of manual labor As long as you can pay for it, man, exactly exactly and Daniel's dad is in town right now And he's helping with some things around with him. Doing everything. He's literally walking around with a screwdriver. He loves it, he loves it. My dad loves it. Sounds like your dad. No, yeah.

I can be handy. I've been handy. I've had handy jobs that require me to be handy, but I don't, it's not my thing. And I'm just like, my time is better served doing other things. Me hiring someone who's gonna do it faster and better than me doing it just so I can Impress my wife totally you know it didn't make it on camera because we weren't planning on filming the day

But it was after the guys like completely botched the job and did not build the crib that needed to be built Jesse sent his handyman over he like paid for an hour of his time, and he's like here you go Let's get the crib built so his handyman showed up the next morning at like 9 a. and he's like, here you go, let's get the crib built. So his handyman showed up the next morning at like nine a.m. and built the crib for us. So that was nice. That's nice. Yuri.

Another glimpse of Jesse. A moment. How so? We didn't like Yuri? No, we love Yuri. Saying it was nice that he sent his handyman over. Was like, we'll get that crib built for you. And he's like, you have them for an hour, anything else.

So he worked on a toilet, he did something else for us. Nice. Yeah. I could not imagine my wife or ex-wife saying, change your entire personality. Oh my God. That was tough. I actually felt bad for him there. Yeah.

It didn't register though. He's like, really? I know, there started to be a flip that was happening. And then he just brought it back. Drugs in the desert fixes everything. Exactly. It was the beanie,ugs in the desert fixes everything. Exactly. It was the beanie, he had the beanie on. The beanie.

It was a transcendence experience. Oh my gosh. He said, what happened then after the next day at the beach? Because he took off the beanie, that's why. Save the drugs and the beanie, just take a love language exam. Exactly. It seemed like at the end of this episode,

both Jax and Jesse were both fighting really hard for these marriages to continue, but it's so clear and evident how miserable everybody is in these marriages. What are your thoughts on that? Like, when is it time to kind of, I don't know, cut the cut? Oh yeah, I mean, it's not as much, it's not as much kind of on last week's episode

where you were just like your quality of life is. Right, right, that's not what you feel like, you don't stay in a marriage. Obviously every marriage is work and you gotta put in that work and you have to be intentional about it and you go through seasons. But if that season just continues to go

and go and go and go and there's not both sides wanting to get it back together. Again, he's saying, well, she'll have to bury me in the backyard. What does that say when you're answering like that? When you're answering a conflict. Exactly. I'm not leaving and neither is she.

That's not quality of life, man. That's kidnapping. Exactly. That's not a good, that's not the sign of a good marriage. Right. So, you know, is that the question? We a good marriage So, you know, you know, like, you know, we believe in we believe in marriage and we will never you know So we'll always do the work and we'll put in the work and we'll owe it, you know, right? I want to access a no Jesse. Yeah, it's like the embarrassment of divorce

Yeah, I'm more than I'd be more embarrassed about how I treated my wife on camera. Yeah Big time does he have any remorse about that? Or do you guys know if like watching back, if he's, is he even watching the show back? He doesn't watch most of the episodes. I was like, he has a history of not watching. He says, yeah, he says, now I caught up on a couple episodes and da da da,

but I'm just so busy and you know. So no. No, we're not working on it. His bar. His bar, he's going on all these Canadian tours. He's gone every week. Doing public... What's up with those Canadian tours?

They seem to be like... Public appearances. They seem to be making rumors. Yeah, I don't think there's anything to it. Okay. Yeah, I mean that to that rumor. So which one? The Canadian one with...

Yeah. Any of them. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, no, any of them. Come on. What you got? Have you talked?

I mean, he was out, you know, the other day. It was all over Instagram. Yeah, that's what I was gonna ask. I was like, have you talked to Brittany since any of the new girl trends? No, we've been trying to plan a play date. So like, we'll have some girl time and catch up soon. Listen, there have been some bombs that have been dropping.

Yeah. And... Cause they're like still there. I don't know if she's doing okay. You're gonna see it for sure on season two. So I feel like we can't talk about some of the things. Are they waiting to get divorced for season two? I don't know.

If I were Brittany and my man that I was separated from, and I asked him to do work to fix our marriage is now being seen with someone else, I would be like, okay, well, so much for that. Also not just being seen, but like taking her to the place of where you both are co-owners in a bar. She brought her to the bar. Yeah, they were celebrating a birthday there.

And then in a video she yelled out, I'm pregnant, after they sang happy birthday. So she's funny. She did? Yeah. I didn't see that. I was there. So if I were Britney, I would be...

Because I was the conversation. I'm the girl talking to Brittany like, you know Maybe like if Danny talks to him he'll like, you know Really get into therapy and like put in some work like I there's there's a chance if he's willing to change and then at this Point I'm like she's still hopeful. No, I was the one that was hopeful not not necessarily Brittany but now I think she was earlier on but you know, it's Not necessarily Brittany, but now I haven't talked to her since. I think she was earlier on, but you know, as longer you're separated and the things have been happening. Right, like separation and seeing what's playing out.

I also just really enjoy seeing Brittany find her voice and like show her strength, where she jumped out. She's like, I would go there, you know, and just, you know, or when they were doing the interview at the beginning of this season, it was Kristen, Jax, and Brittany, and Jax was like, I don't really wanna talk about this. She's like, well, I will.

She's like, I will. Oh my gosh. Yep. I know Jax is there, arms crossed, he's like, yeah, I don't wanna talk about it. Kristen's the awkward child in the middle. Exactly.

Exactly. No, I'm- When Kristen Doty doesn't know what to say, that's a moment. Big time. That's a moment. I am proud of Brittany. I feel like she's coming into a strength and a power of just really knowing who she is and loving who she is

and not taking BS from him or anybody else. So I'm happy for her. Yeah, hopefully she can figure out how to separate. Yeah. Because doing a podcast together doesn't seem sustainable. And again, I got a kid to get. That's just what breaks my heart. You know what I mean?

It's like this. Unfortunately, there are a lot of parents who have to co-parent. And they make it work, you know? And they choose to prioritize, obviously, really, truly the kids over their own petty differences or things like that. But even that doesn't seem to know what's going on.

But like, working together and all this other stuff, it's like, how do you? Not easy. It's like what Michelle said too, when she was like, I would rather co-parent and have my daughter see a healthy friendship versus an unhealthy marriage. Toxic, toxic. And I agree with that.

I agree, yeah. Other question, Kristen and Luke, is Luke any closer to picking his location? Is he Colorado still or is he out here in Los Angeles? No, he's back and forth. Back and forth. Oh yeah. I don't think he's gonna pick a location

until they hopefully have a baby. Then they'll have to figure it out. But they're good. I mean, I don't know about you guys. Don't you usually wanna figure things out before you have the baby? I don't know. Yeah, I just don't know if that's how they're approaching it.

But yes, if I were in their shoes, I would want to know where we're living. You're just relaying the message of what's going on. I was so glad we sent our therapist, Dr. Ryan Wagner. Oh yeah, that was our therapist. Who they ended up meeting with. On the show they met with Dr. Wagner. And he brought up all these questions. Because I said, dude, you gotta get counseling

about this stuff. If you aren't talking about the foundational issues of not even getting married, but having a child, you need professional help if you guys aren't able to be on the same page about these things. So I thought that was a great scene. He was asking these questions and it was putting to light that they weren't having these conversations yet. So hopefully they'll continue to work with him or someone else that can get those

things answered. Well, I hope they figure it out. They seem like a lovely couple. Yeah, they are. Yeah, they're a great team. Yeah, do you really feel that way? I've never met Luke. I consider Chris and her friend, I don't know her that well. We have a lot of mutual friends, she's been on the show,

we always appreciate her coming. She's excellent television. Obviously it's been a challenge sometimes covering her while getting to know her in person because she has such a lovely heart and she always means well. Sometimes you watch it back, you're like, Christian. Exactly, all the time.

You know, so, but I can say this about Kristin. I know she does, like with Jax, I mean, I don't know him that well. I can't say that the little bit I've known him that I think he has a good heart or good character, that he even wants or cares about being a good person. I'm not even trying, I'm not trying to be a dick when I say that. There's no example of him giving a shit

about being a decent human being. And while Kristin, sure she steps in it, she makes a lot of mistakes, but at her core, you see that desire to be a good person. And yeah, we all make mistakes, we all have work to do, but to me that matters that desire To want to be a good person to want to be better care about your character Yeah

care about who you are and how you treat people and like there's a night and day difference between Kristen Doty and Jack Taylor for me. Yeah. I can see that. Well guys, thanks for coming That's it I feel like you guys gotta get going. Yeah. Yeah. Do we? We got kids. We gotta get home to our babies. You're welcome to come back. We'd love to have you back. Yeah. This is like a date. We don't have our kids. My parents are watching the kids. Time together. Well, we'll see uh, maybe we'll see you in the Valley somewhere. We've been getting restaurant recommendations from watching the Valley. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. Yeah. Are you in the Valley? Where are you at? We are in the Valley. Lovely. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. Not trying to get on the show. I'm about to say. I'm about The Valley. There you go. Yeah, yeah. Are you in The Valley? Where are you at? We are in The Valley. Lovely.

Yeah, nice. Not trying to get on the show. I'm about to say. I'm about to say. We've been in The Valley for four years. Gotcha, gotcha. But if we do cross paths, we're high. Yes, yes, yes, likewise.

Thanks for having us, man. Thanks for coming, man. This was great. Do you wanna plug where people can find you and all that fun stuff? Real Nia Sanchez is my Instagram and all my social media you are Daniel book and then your book. Oh, and then our podcast is hold my crown. Okay. Yeah Well, thanks for coming guys. It's been an absolute pleasure to have you on all the success to you guys going forward, please

Protected relationship. I don't you know, it'll break my heart. I want you guys to be the one couple that can make it on reality TV. Yeah, dude. We're rooting for you. There's been some housewife couples. We're turning the tables. We're flipping the...

Flipping the script. Flipping the script! Gotcha. Oh, gosh. Thank you. I need you in my life. I have so many good sayings that I just can't remember. Yeah, both of us. So close. I'm here for you. Some good you in my life. I have so many good sayings that I just can't remember.

Yeah, both of us. So close. I'm here for you. Some good quotes though too. Yeah. Dad brain. Dad brain. Well, we appreciate you guys coming and appreciate you guys listening. Don't forget to send in those questions at snickatthevilefiles.com. We will see you back tomorrow for Going Deeper, where we will be going over the finale of Vanderpump, episode three.

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