The Viall Files - E755 GD w Emma Hernan + VPR Pt 3 - The End? Diddy Updates, North West Performance, and SH Reunion Trailer

Episode Date: May 30, 2024

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Going Deeper Edition! To start things out, the household gets together to talk about some recent headlines, such as the Vanderpump Reunion Part 3, North West performing at The Hollywood Bowl, the trailer for Gypsy Rose’s show and her upcoming appearance on Keeping Up With the Kardashians, and the Summer House Reunion Trailer. Then, we talk to Emma Hernan about all things Selling Sunset, Selling The OC, her friendships with her castmates, the feud with Nicole, the mansion tax, her empanada company and more! We also ask about her dating and relationship history, and get some advice on buying homes and investing. We also have a Texting Office Hours caller who is struggling with a friendship breakup, and wasn’t sure if she should accept being phased out of her friend’s life, or fight for the relationship.  “Everyone wants to come for Chrishell to get their fifteen minutes.”  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Huggies - Learn more at https://www.huggies.com  Wayfair - Every style is welcome in the Wayborhood. Visit https://www.Wayfair.com or get the Wayfair mobile app. Rocket Money - Stop wasting money on things you don’t use. Cancel your unwanted subscriptions by going to https://www.RocketMoney.com/VIALL  Goodr - You can go to https://www.goodr.com/VIALL and use code VIALL for free shipping. Goodr offers a 30 Day Money Back Guarantee and 100% Satisfaction. Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @emmahernan @nnataliejjoy @ciaracrobinson @alison.vandam @dereklanerussell @leahgsilberstein @justinkaphillips  Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 00:41 - Team Announcement 03:33 - Diddy Updates 10:03 - Parenthood 23:24 - Viral Single Mom Cake Baking 30:47 - North West The Hollywood Bowl 36:30 - Gypsy Rose 37:18 - SummerHouse 38:05 - VPR Jo Gaslighlighting Debate 52:13 - End of VPR? 01:12:11 - Emma Hernan Interview Begins 01:16:08 - Investments, Mansion Tax, Traveling 01:24:42 - Love Life 01:55:24 - Selling The OC 02:00:55 - Dresses 02:05:12 - Interest Rates 02:09:03 - Reaching Out 02:10:13 - Icks 02:13:40 - Buying A House 02:21:31 - Texting Office Hours 02:54:21 - Friendship Breakups 02:57:51 - Outro 

What's going on everybody. Welcome back to another exciting episode of The Vow Files. I am your host Nick, joined by the household. And boy, do we have an episode for you. The fabulous Emma Hernin is with us for going deeper. That was a fun episode, chatting with Emma. Yeah, that was great. Very excited for you guys to hear that.

We have obviously so much to get into before we get to Emma. Starting off, it's with great sadness, great, great sadness that we are saying goodbye to arguably the mother of the household, the founding mother of the household, the one and only, very special person to our family,

Allison Martin is moving onward and upward in the great state of Minnesota and leaving the show. Do you want to say anything, Allie? I didn't know if I was supposed to. We're obviously very sad to see Allie go. You know, Allie's been my longest running employee and my favorite, you know, of the longest Yeah. He says that on my last day. It makes sense that she'd be your favorite. Well, she's been she's been with us from the beginning. I mean, the show wouldn't be where it is without her. And, you know, she, you know, been running a lot of things for the show. So we're sad to see her go. Are you joining Chrissy in the woods? I don't think I would survive in the woods to be honest.

A lot of people are like, who the fuck's Chrissy? Yeah. I'm like, it's Chrissy. Justice for Chrissy. Yeah. You will always just say, it goes without saying, but you will always be a member of the household. Oh, thanks.

Thanks. Yeah, I'll just start emailing in, ask Nick questions, just like pop up on a Zoom. We would love that. Yeah, that would be great. No, I'll just start emailing in, ask Nick questions. Just like pop up on a zoom. We would love that. Yeah, that'd be great. No, I was just I mean, I said it kind of to the team when we talked about it internally, but like. It's been very fun to watch the show change in different ways. Like, I mean, hell, we didn't even used to have like names for like

going deeper and stuff like that. And we've switched all these studios and we've created this whole team. And now we have other shows and we have file files plus and all this other stuff. So it's been fun to watch it expand and. Way to plug file files plus in your exit. Well, that was a big fucking deal. Not everyone can get Nick to dance to High School Musical in the middle of a street.

Yeah, that was fun. Yeah. But yeah, it's been it's been really cool to watch things change as much as they have. And honestly, it's it's a it's credit to you guys and the new team that we've built that I can walk away and I feel confident walking away because I know how talented everybody is that they'll keep keep on keeping on. Well, we are excited to see what's next for you, Allie. I feel like you've definitely been the glue for the Vow Falls.

And it's gonna be sad to not see your face every morning. No, I know. But you have my number, so we'll just go with that. Pour one out for Allie, everyone listening. Pour one out for old faithful. Well, she's not gone yet. And she's not dead, so maybe she'll come back. Yeah Everyone go flood her comments and say come back. Oh, yes, please

All right. Well, we do have a lot to get into Ali is not gone yet. So let's let's get into it. Shall we? On a darker note P did he still fucking sucks. Yeah, Rolling Stones came out with a new kind of deep dive expose about him, kind of piggybacking off of our friend of show, the wonderful and great Elizabeth Wagmeister, who broke the most recent kind of groundbreaking story, are you finding that hotel video very sad, very disturbing. Rolling Stone has done a deeper dive. It seems like more of the same. He's a real shitty guy.

It sounds like, I think the biggest takeaway is he's been a shitty guy his whole life. Sounds like since college. More and more people are coming forward. Obviously, and this is pretty typical, right? It's very scary to come forward if you're a victim of this type of of tragedy, but you, but strength in numbers. Well, speaking of Elizabeth and CNN, before we get into Rolling Stone, they actually just broke that they learned the scope of the Diddy investigation is much larger,

focusing on sex trafficking, money laundering, and illegal drugs. That CNN said that. Like the scope of the investigation. Okay, yeah. It seems like the laws of justice are really starting to come down on Diddy. It seems like it's on, you know, like I think most of the

time when it comes to these types of monster celebrities, I think there's a lot of doubt or just like, yeah, belief that justice won't be served. You know, celebrities, you know, they can kind of buy their way out of this type of stuff. But every once in a while, like people like R. Kelly, who actually did face justice, Bill Cosby for a moment, unfortunately,

he got off on a technicality, but it seems like Mr. Puff Daddy Combs actually might be the next major celebrity who actually might face some real jail time. I don't know, we'll see. I mean, nothing's done yet, but the case doesn't seem to be going away or fading. It seems to only be getting bigger and bigger

in the scope larger and larger. Yeah, they basically recap what CNN came out with, saying Combs has been named in eight civil lawsuits since November, seven directly accusing him of sexual assault. One of the eight lawsuits filed by former girlfriend Cassie Ventura has been settled. Another lawsuit accused his son Christian Combs

of sexual assault and Sean Combs is accused of aiding and abetting. Yuck. Oh my God. And then there was the Rolling Stones article as well. It's always so gross when that type of trauma and abuse is passed down and condoned.

It's also like he has daughters and it's so scary to like, you know, now we see what he's like in his personal life with his partners and it's like how, you know, you can only imagine, I'm sure like what his children, I mean, you only hope that like he's a better father than he is a partner, but it's like, you know, any I feel I feel for anyone who is around him and is alone with him. You know, that's, it seems, you know, incredibly scary. Yeah.

No, if you've, uh, it's really sad, but I am glad that it seems like he is finally facing, I hope, some accountability and some justice for what he's done. The next big question is where does the domino stop falling? He's a well-connected individual. It would almost seem hard to believe that his crimes stop with him, you know, and he's associated himself with so many influential people, or any of the other influential people who have been in his close circle potentially guilty

of some of the things that he seems to be guilty of as well. I unfortunately think it's gonna be one of those things where it's like surprising each person that comes out that we find out is connected to the crimes at P Diddy. And it'll be one of those like, oh, no, like we, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Because like if the federal government knows anything, as we learned from Josh Campbell,

a former FBI agent of CNN, that like, they probably know a lot of things already that they're not putting out there to the public public because they wanna keep their case strong. So, you know, a name is known associates, people involved, especially if they're under investigation, you know, they were probably investigating Diddy for months, maybe years before they ever raided his house. So I would be surprised if other known celebrities aren't at least, whether they actually face justice, I would be surprised if other known celebrities

aren't at least, whether they actually face justice, I would be surprised, like Tenali's point, if other celebrities' names aren't flown out there if and when this thing goes to trial. I was gonna say, the more that comes out about him, it's more likely that other people with accusations will feel comfortable coming out, because they know he's no longer like on a pedestal. Yeah. Yeah.

And CNN was saying that federal investigators are preparing to bring accusers of Sean Diddy Combs before a federal grand jury. Two sources familiar with the probe tell CNN signaling the US Justice Department is moving toward potentially seeking an indictment of Combs. Wow. Sounds like they're maybe days, weeks away from that. This will be a much talked about case for sure. This will be.

I wonder if it'll be televised, like his kind of like the Johnny and Amber. I wonder if it will take, you know. I don't know, cause that this will be a federal case, not a civil case. I mean, there are civil cases that obviously, people are coming and suing him, that's civil, but the whole, with the FBI involved in the raid,

that's federal. I don't know the policies on what's televised or not. Where like the Johnny and Amber one was more like a, kind of a public spectacle between two celebrities type of thing. Like it wasn't a criminal case. Like no one was gonna go to jail. I looked it up and cameras aren't always allowed

in federal court cases. Are not always allowed. So it depends on like. Is it like a judge decision? Is the judge decision? Well, this says that federal courts however have remained more resistant with only pilot programs allowing cameras in civil cases, but not criminal cases.

Yeah. I would be surprised. I think we're gonna get those court drawings. Oh. Yeah, of Diddy. Do they still make those? They do. Oh my God, yeah, they're all over.

Like, yeah. The Taylor Swift sexual assault case, she had drawings of her. Yeah. Anyways, very sad. I do want to just point out one thing about parenthood. Please. Please.

I feel like, and disagree if you feel, I feel like we are- Amazing parents, for sure. Obviously more tired now than when she was a newborn. Yes or no? No. Really? Yeah. Interesting.

The other night, we were... We've been on the go. Yeah, we've been on the go. We were extremely tired and River wakes up once in the middle of the night. It's usually around like two, three. Probably like a snack. Yeah.

And I'll breastfeed her for however long she goes. And then Nick burps her, right? So we both have to get up. We both, you know, not one person. It's a team effort around here. We're a team. I wasn't really involved in that decision. It was just more like, hey, wake up, burper.

Which I am happy to participate in the rearing of our child and have it be a partnership. I'm fine with it. I just want to point out that we just, we just didn't mutually agree on that system, but I'm happy to be a part of it, but please continue. Anyways, and so we were, I was so tired and I don't know what happened,

but I just woke up in the middle of the night and I was like, Nick Burper. And he was like, how long did she eat for? Nellie always goes, like again, Nellie will wake up, she'll feed River, and then when she gets done nursing, she'll wake me up. So she'll wait, I'll sleep. So I'm usually not privy to the nursing,

but then she'll wake up, Burper, jump up, grab the Burp rag. And I don't know what I asked. You asked how long did she eat for? Oh yeah. And then I was up, grab the burp rag. And I don't know what I asked. You asked how long did she eat for? Oh yeah. And then I was like, wait, I don't think I fed her. You just woke up and said, burp her.

It was just like muscle memory of being like, burp her. He was like, huh? And I was like, wait, don't burp her. Wait, I think I have to feed her first. That would have been so funny if Nick just went in, like picked her up and started burping her. I was like, wait, don't burp her. Wait, I think I have to feed her first. That would have been so funny if Nick just went in, like picked her up and started burping her. And she's just like, what is that? I was burping her.

And I was like, so again, and she hadn't burped in, I don't know, usually it's a pretty quick burp. You know, every once in a while, you have to go a couple of minutes, but I was like, how long is she nursed for? She's like, uh, I don't think I did. I'm like, what? Yeah, that was kind of funny.

Yeah. He also, we were at the lake house. At the lake house, it's very quiet, right? Very peaceful, not a lot of horns honking or airplanes going or outside noise. Very, very quiet. And Nick decides to cough and his cough doesn't wake River up, but she definitely like makes a noise. So it's like enough to be like, okay, don't do that again,

because you are going to wake her up. And he tried to like cough into his pillow. I'm like, you, please, you have to stop. So he gets that, he goes out of the room, finds a cough drop, which if you know any- I knew it, in my, my slu- like my tired slumber, I'm like, I remember when packing my bag for the leg trip that I found, like, a side pocket

of cough drops. Mm-hmm. Which, if y'all know anything about Nick, y'all know that he is incapable of sucking on a cough drop. It's the worst sound that you'll ever hear in your life. It's terrible. You crunch it, right? Yeah.

And swallow it? Absolutely. He cannot, for the life life of him suck on a cough drop, which it's like, that's actually how it helps you is to like suck on it and it lozenges. Yeah, exactly. It specifically says on the packaging, do not chew. Exactly. Well, Nick, he can't.

So he gets his cough drop and I immediately am like, you've gotta be fucking kidding me. And he gets back in the bed with this cough drop in his mouth and it is so insanely quiet. And all I hear is him crunching on this fucking cough drop. And I'm like, Nick, you've got to suck it. You've got to suck it. And he's like, oh great.

And so he's trying, he's moving it all, it's hitting his teeth, making all this noise. He grabs like four more. We go through, I'm like, he's moving it all, it's hitting his teeth, making all this noise. He grabs like four more. We go through, I'm like, there's more? Like how many fucking cough drops do you have? And we're gonna chew all of them. I had three. It was, it was, I told Nick, I said,

there was a moment where I was like, I think I hate him. I was like, you would not, like I wanted to hit you in the most loving way. I love you. I love you. I love you too, but it was gnarly. You need the lozenges that are so strong that it like numbs your whole mouth so that you can't chew. Is that a thing?

Well, not so much to the point that you can't chew, but it'll actually work because you're not going to be like moving it around. I'm a Ricola girlie. You're also not supposed to have more than a certain amount in like a day. Oh yeah, well he eats them like candy. I don't know if it's the sugar that's the part. Well, Ricola is candy dang near though. It's sugar free.

But it like, It's kinda like candy. Yeah. I will say I eat tons like candy. Oh my God. That seems not, that's more concerning than me sucking down a couple of Ricolas. No, they're the same.

I don't think so. It's just funny. Like your gut health, super important. I don't, I mean, I don't, probably both bad. Both bad. You're pregnant though. Does Tom's help? Which probably makes it worse. Oh, wow.

Tom's helps with heartburn. Tom's helps with, yeah, pepsid is the best. Never use that. I just would, I would get heartburn at night, like in third trimester, and that was the only time I had tums. How do you eat a popsicle? Oh dear God.

I bite it. No, with your front teeth. I lick it and then bite. I chomp it. With your front teeth or your side teeth? It takes too long to lick the whole thing down. You don't get brain freeze? I'm like, little by little.

I tried recording me the other day, and I was too embarrassed to allow her. She was ready to publicly shame me. I mean, it's gnarly. One day I'll get it, and I'll have embarrassed to allow her. She was ready to publicly shame me. I mean, it's gnarly. One day I'll get it and I'll have to show you all because it, and I was like, look in the mirror. Watch yourself to this possible. It was an ick, obviously.

Do you also bite ice cream? Yeah, like an ice cream cone? I think I do too. Yeah. Doesn't that like feel bad on your teeth? Like, it's like, it makes me cringe. How are you not so like crammy-ly? That's the thing, it takes too long to lick the whole thing.

Like, I'm not fucking seven. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Alright, how do you eat string cheese? I don't. Oh, you don't like string cheese? I haven't had string cheese, literally, since I was six. Okay, but it's pretty much the equivalent of Twizzler Pull and Peels, so how do you?

I fucking love Twizzler Pull and Peels. There you go, there you go. I will pull like two or three. And then you eat the rest of it just like as a chunk? No, I will pull and peel. So you're stringing it. Yeah. Yeah. Justin eats it like this way.

So I string it, but I don't like touching the cheese itself. So I leave the wrapper on it. No, you take bites out of the side. No, no, so I leave the wrappers on it. Like a banana. I string it with my teeth so I don't have to touch it with my fingers. Is that how you eat a banana? I don't eat bananas. Okay. But it, no, so I leave the wrappers on it. And then I string it with my teeth so I don't have to touch it with my fingers.

Is that how you eat a banana? I don't eat bananas. Okay. But it's like, so I'm literally just like, like peeling like this. Why don't you like touching it? I don't know. Like it's just a germaphobe thing.

Are you a germaphobe? Are you a germaphobe? I don't think so, but I don't like touching cheese. Do you wear shoes in your house? No. You take them off at the front door? Yeah. Is that because you're a germaphobe?

Or? Asian household, I don't know. Are you a shoes off house? I would, my life is so. I mean, once in a while I need to be reminded, but we are shoes off household. I have to remind our guests. It's like shoes off once he gets to the living room.

And I'm like, it defeats the funny purpose. Shoes off right when you walk in the door. Well, cause you have carpet in your living room, right? Yeah, we do. Or like a carpet or rug so like that makes sense I have some things to work on as a partner but also it's like we have all tile and it like if I walk around barefoot on the tile and like the floors haven't Like my feet are black and it's because like he's walking around and his shit kickers that he's been like stomping through LA with and now it's on my

It's honestly the grossest thing anyone can do and I'm sure I'm surprised that he's been stomping through LA with, and now it's on my floor. It's honestly the grossest thing anyone can do, and I'm surprised more people aren't anti-shoes in their house. I get it's a little bit inconvenient, because you put on the shoes, the shoes are in your closet, and then you gotta take them to the front door,

put them on, I get that, but like. That's gross, it's an absolutely disgusting thing. And Nick also, well we're on the roll. Sorry. But something else I cannot stand, I don't know if this is relatable at all, but like shoes on the bathroom rug. So like you step out of the shower with your clean feet

onto a rug that like outside shoes have been on. Do I stand on the bathroom rug? I mean, I'm sure I've done it. Sometimes you'll like walk through it and I'm like, oh, I have to avoid that spot. What about getting out of the shower and then just making everything wet? Oh my God.

Is it incapable for men to dry off fully? That's what I'm wondering. I will say I have to air dry. Like I dry most of it and then I just let myself air dry a little bit. You pat down? I just sit for a little bit in there. Where are you sitting?

Sopping wet. Like I don't know. I'm just like not that concerned with fully drying. That's just crazy to me that you're like okay with putting on a shirt over like a wet back. A couple drops aren't gonna kill anyone. Are you getting into bed still a little wet? I don't shower at night normally.

He's a morning shower guy I'm a night shower girl. Yeah. What about you? It's kind of same. To which one? To night, I night shower. Danny's a morning. Danny's a morning. Ali? Yeah. Oh, I have to do it at night or else I just won't do it. Like if it came down to it and I had to wake up or I don't wake up early for anything. Yeah, thank you. That's like if I set an alarm for an extra 20 minutes to take a shower, it's not happening. I will say I've been alarmed by realizing

just how much women aren't regular showers. Okay, what the fuck? Well, I admitted to this a while ago, but I'm not a regular shower. Yeah, I know too, but it's almost like you don't shower every day. No, I was talking to my family this past weekend. And as a child, I would have to literally be told to shower

because I didn't like doing it as a child. And then I went to camp for like a week. And then I came back and I think we kind of all got out of our routines. And then I got my ears pierced. And then like later on, my dad was like, you should probably take a shower. And I realized I hadn't showered since I got my ears pierced, And then later on, my dad was like, you should probably take a shower. And I realized I hadn't showered since I got my ears pierced, which was two weeks before. Oh no.

Ali. But I've heard from more, ever since, you know. It's because of the hair, right? I think it's mostly, I mean, I would hope that you're showering. You always hear how men are disgusting, but then I find out how y'all aren't showering on a regular basis.

No, I think it's different. Okay, so like, to like wash your body, I would say, I mean, I would do that every day. Like a rinse, a body rinse. Sure, wash my pits, wash my ass, you know, like we're getting like, but my hair? I don't, I can't like get- Once a week. Oh my God.

I wash my hair once a week too. But you get it wet. So I don't even wanna get my hair wet. Sure, yeah. Yeah. Don't get it wet. But you're saying that people don't, like shower, I think that's what women need. I'm just surprised to find out how,

like ever since this became a thing, a lot of women are like, oh yeah, I don't need showering, like oh wow. I'm also not, like I'm not sweating that much. That's the thing, I shower, like I work out every day, so I'll shower if I work out, but. Okay. So you're back to showering every day. Not let us know in the comments how much you're showering.

No, I think it's honestly like, are you a everyday person? Are you three days a week? Are you once a week? What's the I think? Sometimes I can get bad, though, if I if I work out later in the day and then I know I'm working out the next morning, I'll just. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no, no, no. I'll always wash my body, but it's the day and then I know I'm working out the next morning, I'll just sleep in my sweat. Oh no. Oh no, no, no.

I'll always wash my body, but it's the hair thing that I'm like, I'm not washing my hair. What were you saying you think? I think that there's several things, and I don't know if this is just me, I'm alone in this, but like the shoes in the house, anything touching a bathroom rug, outside clothes in a bed

or like plain clothes. Like you should immediately when you get home from the airport, change your clothes. Like don't come in and sit on your couch. Sit on your, it's like, you know, we should immediately be changing your clothes and showering. And I feel like I don't know if all people live to that,

but I would like to talk to them and figure out why. Maybe you're the real germaphobe. No, I agree with all of those things. I agree though, I agree. And you're the real germaphobe. No, I agree with all of those things. I agree, though. I agree. I'm not a germaphobe. Airports are different. Like during COVID, my sister would like sit in the exact,

all the way back in the car with her full N95 on, get into the house, strip butt naked, put everything in scalding hot water, run down, take a scalding hot shower, and then come up and give us a hug. Oh my God. I also think- What, this is after work and give us a hug. Oh my god. I also think... What? This is after work as a doctor or flying?

Flying. Both. Oh. I also think people who pack their suitcase with their suitcase on their bed, that's fucking gross. That is gross. And I saw our sweet, sweet Sierra post on her Instagram story packing for Paris. Well, if she does wipe...

Well, I've done that. If she wipes the luggage off after. Cause after every trip I wipe them down. You need to sanitize your suitcase. I'm not, which I've never done. But, but, but. Yeah, I mean the wheels, all of it. I bet Sierra does.

I would hope so. Cause I do see people like packing their suitcases on their bed and I'm like, like I don't even want it on our new carpet in like the guest bedrooms. I do pack my suitcase on my bed. But where else am I gonna, I'm not gonna bend. Oh God, well you are pregnant now, but prior to pregnancy, you were still a non-bender?

No, it hurts my back. Okay. You're not even tall. Okay. I'm squat. Yes, all the way, Sierra is in Paris. Oh yes. No, should be back.

Question, shoot, Natalie, did Nick bake you a Paris. Oh yes. No. Should be back. Question. Shoot. Natalie, did Nick bake you a cake on your birthday? No. No. No. You did not. You share that with the-

Did you bake your own cake on your birthday? I did not. Is that something people should be doing? Is that more thought into baking your partner's cake? Cause honestly, I don't think I've ever baked a cake for anyone, ever. Well, I would love to- Would you appreciate me baking baked a cake for anyone, ever. Well, I would love to. Would you appreciate me baking you a cake?

Oh, absolutely, yeah. Okay. Yeah. I think that would be something that's really memorable to do with our daughter when she's old enough. Oh, for sure. Or do you want me to do it sooner than that? I really don't. We're like at least three years away from

her knowing what the fuck's going on. Listen, I really don't like eat cake very often. So I don't like need the cake. But it is like, if you were to do that at some point in my life, I would be like, oh my God, that was like so thoughtful and so sweet, but it's not, I'm not like, like I would want the David Yerum necklace more. Understood, yeah.

Okay. I don't need you to bake me a cake. Okay. Well, did you see the video of the woman that went viral? Yes. Oh, yes I did. Where she was single, she posted it and said baking her own cake as a single mother, but her ex-husband posted a stitch to the TikTok

saying that he actually has full custody of the kids and he has receipts. She owes over 21,000 in child support, stole almost one million from another guy and faked cancer. Yeah, no, I saw that. It was a doozy. The first video got like 43 million views. I remember seeing the first video before I saw the Stitch and I was like, aw.

Poor thing. Why does she have to make her own cake? But again, it goes to tell you that it's always, always a major red flag when you see someone recording their own tears. You always have to like take yourself out of what you're watching, because like social media, just like reality TV, it's kind of like, the joy of it is the mind numbing aspect of it. To turn your brain off and scroll through

or watch reality TV, so you're not really kind of connecting the dots. That's why reality TV is able to get away with so much, because we're rarely ever thinking, oh, they're making a TV show. This requires cameras and audio. Terration. Yeah, and people aren't just magically mic'd up.

When people are just like, oh, you showed up, shit like that. And so when people are recording their own tears, to have that, wait, hold on, I should record this, and set it up and get them to check the lighting just so they can cry, it's always a red fucking flag. I don't know if it's as much of a red flag as this one, because like, yeah, then this guy showed up,

had a response, he's posting receipts about a mugshot, and then it was like, oh yeah, she faked cancer, she got arrested for like stealing, like stealing over a million dollars allegedly from someone else. Almost a million dollars. And then she had a response video to his video. So then there's like a whole TikTok drama

and it started with, I don't want to talk shit about my children's father. But. But. But. Well that's the other thing. And she went on to accuse him of abuse and being a Scientologist, which then a lot of people were like, you know., that's the other thing. And she went on to accuse him of abuse and being a Scientologist, which then a lot of people were like, you know.

Well, that's the other thing. I think about the kids in this situation. So sad. And it's just like, one day they'll see this. Yes, so sad. Yeah, also, I mean, I feel like he, like it's great, I guess, that we know that she's a shitty person,

but like, I don't feel like we didn't really need to know that. I guess he was for sure frustrated when everyone in his town was sending the video and it got under his skin that the world thinks she feels bad for her and he's like... Yeah, it's like never, yeah. Because once he makes the video, he immediately is under the same kind of criticism that she's under of,

did you really need to go public with this? Also with all the screenshots and the shit. Yeah. But consider at the same time, if she is this bad, where she is so kind of going for attention and lying into all these things, where it's just like, how do you fight against that? You know, I don't know.

And all of a sudden she makes a video and 43 million people see it and everyone's just like, oh, you poor thing, whoever your husband is, he's a fucking piece of shit. You know, I don't know, like, tough. I don't know. I guess it would be different if, yeah, if she was like, you know, I don't know, like, stuff. I don't know, I guess it would be different if, yeah, if she was like, you know, my ex-husband

refuses to take the kids, or if she made a video talking shit about him, and he was like, okay, well, here's receipts, this isn't fucking true, but she never mentioned him, I just feels messy on his part for the children's sake to come out with all of this shit. I don't think there's any good, I don't know what I would do if I was in his shoes, I guess is children's sake, to come out with all of this shit? I don't think there's any good, I don't know what I would do if I was in his shoes, I guess is what I'm trying to say.

And I think the right answer is you're right. Like the best response is never to respond to the internet because it always just gets messier. You add to the conversation, but everyone's human. Yeah, I get it, I get it. And I think honestly it it pissed him off so much to see everyone feeling bad for her while she owes 20K in child support

and she's this fake cancer. Doesn't even have custody. Yeah. He's making a grocery list of what all the cake ingredients cost and he's like, please just apply this to child support. Well, what's kind of crazy though is if you go to her page,

I don't know if it's still up there, she now has, she has like a GoFundMe link in her bio. So she is using this drama to ask for donations. To pay her child support? I don't know if it's for child support. Good marketing then. I think it's like maybe, you know, I think she's identifying herself as a victim of him.

And I think it is somehow tied to that. So like, she just, she's just keepin' on and keepin' on. Yeah, but I agree with you, Natalie. I think that it was more so, yeah, this guy can feel super upset with like, she's lying and that frustration, it's like the worst feeling where it's just like, oh, it's not fair.

No, yeah. But like, he does have kids in the picture, and it's like the worst feeling where it's just like, oh, it's not fair. But like he does have kids in the picture and it's like at a certain point, you do just need to like take a second and think about how this is gonna affect them. And if- Cause there's still a lot of people. I mean, and keep in mind 43 million people saw hers and maybe 2 million saw his.

I saw hers on Instagram. And then you're the one who told me that there was a second. I saw hers on X Twitter, formerly known as one who told me that there's a second I saw hers on on ex Twitter For me knows Twitter and if you look at the comments, there are plenty of people who don't believe him You know what I'm saying? So even though he's responded he has opened up the can of worms for a lot You know, you know, she replied people are taking sides you you can't you can't involve yourself in an internet drama without Like taking shrapnel like what was the timing in between her post and his response? That's what I would wanna know.

I don't think that long. Because I feel like I saw this video a long time ago. Oh, I don't know. I don't know when she first posted. I don't think it's that long ago. It also doesn't take very long for a video to reach 43 million people on TikTok. TikTok, yeah.

So. Anyway, it's a while. Keep it in house. It also just as scary if all the accusations about her are true, it is scary to think about this guy had two kids with her, you know? Yeah. And I mean, the fake cancer thing is like-

Aggressive. Yeah, he like showed like a X-ray. Scans, yeah. Or like fake scans or something. Yeah. Anyway. Because you have kids. I'm really disappointed. As you guys know, I am generally pro-nepotism.

Big fan of nepotism, I joke. But in all seriousness, there was that article not too long ago that kind of called out nepotism in Hollywood and I felt like that was kind of an unfair article for a lot of the very talented performers and musicians and actors in Hollywood who do come from famous parents. Because yeah, like for most of those situations,

they might get an agent or a manager that maybe they got prior to doing anything. But like a lot of these people are incredibly talented and have worked their ass off to overcome, you know, judgments and stereotypes of them just being in it for, you know, only getting what they got through their parents. But this latest case of nepotism, allegedly, regarding Northwest, Kim Kardashian's daughter, for any of you don't know, the accusations are wild. Do we know if they're accusations or if they're true?

The accusation being that Kim used her money, power, and influence to get her daughter, Northwest, casted as the lead in the Lion King play. So it's not much of an accusation, but on the opening night of the Lion King at the Hollywood Bowl, Northwest performed I Just Can't Wait To Be King. And like the whole part of it.

Played Simba. Yeah, Simba. Which isn't the lead, cause like older Simba would be the lead, I guess. But yeah, it's a big role. It's a big role. It's a big role for opening night at the Hollywood Bowl. And she only performed that song,

but like the part that people are mad about is that she didn't really know, like she didn't look like she practiced, she wasn't singing on key like at the ending of the performance She didn't even know where to walk off Like so it looked very last minute and then now we have people Parents coming out being like here's my kids audition tape They auditioned for this song as well and like they didn't make it because northwest got it Also her costume was so clearly like easy a kardashian moment too because she didn't match anybody else on stage

It was all ERL, yeah. So like how was, it wasn't like the show gave the, all the kids had their own costumes? Well hers specifically. Well I'm sure she, it was some like dingy little thing and Kim was like, I don't know. Hers was like, I mean, the Lion King, their costumes are iconic,

regardless of where you see the show, but, and it's these full body, like animal suits, and it's a lot of like tight, you know, leotards and things like that. And hers was like fluffy, like zip up basically. It looked like a Yeezy outfit. Yeah. So I mean, I mean, it's not much of an accusation,

but it's just people being like, here's another example of nepotism. And like North could have, there's a possibility that maybe they reached out to Kim to be like, we need someone big to like grab attention. And I mean, to grab attention, we all know now that it's at the Hollywood Bowl, but there's also the possibility that Kim was like,

can we get her in this? Well, that's a big, that's, that's, we don't know what's true. Because if the show reached out, you know. That changes everything. It kinda changes everything, you know. I just, like, as a parent, you're setting your kid up for failure.

I never wanna set, like, I want my kid to face challenges and I want them to have, face adversity, you know, and overcome stuff, but I don't wanna set my kid up for, like, a false sense of, I don't wanna give my kid a false sense of accomplishment or, or just the internet, you know, like now you've put Northwest in the situation to be called out in ways that like a child of her age shouldn't be called out, you know, and that's, you know what I'm saying? Like it's one thing for Kim to be, you know, a seasoned vet to like face the criticism

she gets, you know, but now you're just putting your kin a seasoned vet to face the criticism she gets. But now you're just putting your kid in a situation to get the same type of criticism? Tough, it's tough, I don't know. Where do you draw the line? Because if River came to you guys with, I'm dying to do this, this is my dream, like when do you, how do you navigate that?

Well, I mean, if she came to us, I don't know what age she is in this hypothetical statement, but if she, yeah. I would want her to understand what it takes to earn something, to work for it. I'd want her to audition. In this situation, I'd make her audition. Even if, especially if the show asked, I would be like, well, if she wants to do it,

make her audition, and if you really think she's good enough, because you wanna set up your kids for success. You don't want to put them in a position to fail and then get criticism they're not ready for, or they didn't really know what they were getting into. I'd want her to earn it. I would want, and if she's not good enough, that's okay. She can get some notes and give her something to work on.

You know, there's always next season, you know? It's like, I remember going to a soccer trial. I was, you know, and I remember my heart wasn't in it. And it wasn't because I didn't make the team. I was like seven or eight or something. And I remember just kind of not being a quote unquote aggressive and kind of sitting on the side. I remember not making the team. And I remember my dad sitting me down and explaining to me why. Because it was like my lack of energy or just like I was kind of more timid. It had nothing to do with my skills.

And next year I tried out and what I remember was like going for it, you know, and I made the team, you know, and that was, I still, I was eight years old. I don't know how old I was, young. And I still remember that lesson to this day, you know, and that's part of growing up, you know. But everything you're given is just like, yeah, you're fucking famous. And then you throw them to the wolves and stuff.

Yeah, because there are so many people who have said, the way that I learned was through rejection or through failing. Yeah. So. I can't imagine though, if I went there to see the Lion King and then I just saw someone half-assed a performance

like on the stage. Yeah, and then you find out their parents are super famous. Yeah that's why she's there. Yeah. In other Kardashian news Gypsy Rose seems to be on the new season of Keeping Up with the Kardashians. It actually makes a lot of sense because it is in Kim really in a big in like criminal justice reform so I'm guessing it's something to do with that. Yeah. Excited to see that episode. I'm just really excited to see what Gypsy

and Kim have to talk about. It's kind of a big move for Gypsy. The trailer for Gypsy's show was wild. Like the full trailer. Gypsy's episode? Or the time? Like the trailer for life after prison or life after. I haven't seen it, is it out? Yeah, the like full trailer.

I'm in. It does look really good. I'm so in, I'm so in. Wow. When does it start? When does it come out? I'm hearing June 3rd at 9 p.m. Eastern. Almost there. We'll be watching that, yeah. Let me get Gypsy back on.

You know what else we need to watch is the Summer House season eight reunion because that just came out too. Well, the Summer house reunion looks banging. I'm excited about that. Yeah. Not Carl admitting that he was afraid of Lindsay. Yeah.

But I guess it's honest. Yeah. Everything looks so juicy. Even like, I feel like four, and this is like jumping to Vanderpump, but it goes in with like, I didn't have high expectations for this season of Vanderpump. And like, I feel like these producers

they just come out with like a little bit of a banger and like this reunion looks really good and like this season of Vanderpump was like a little you know a little boring. First half. But like this reunion when they brought up that side by side of like them not seeing that footage and watching them watch it live was fucking gold. That was excellent television. Yeah, no, the Summer House reunion looks awesome. And speaking of Vanderpump, let's finally obviously get to it.

Reunion part three. Like Nellie said, yeah, that side-by-side moment, excellent television. I hope they do more of that, getting that authentic reaction, which is kind of the point of reality TV in general, which is why so many times you of reality TV in general, which is why like So many times you will hear stories like it from Bachelor Nation about like, you know They said this or you know, they they keep people in the dark on Purpose to get the authentic reactions for people because they don't want people performing. They don't want people and to you know They don't want people reenacting what their original

You know, they don't want people reenacting what their original reaction to something was. You know, they don't want to get the second hand reaction after you've kind of tempered your emotions and things like that. And so it was fascinating to see all those reactions from the Vanderpump cast. Before we really get into the reunion, I am curious, what were some of the responses to the Joe commentary last week when I was defending one Tom Swartz versus one Joe? There were a lot of people that had your same opinion,

but then there was also another large amount of people that said you were gaslighting us on the definition of gaslighting. Oh, oh, okay. The people saying I'm gaslighting you guys about the definition of gaslighting, they're kind of making my point, which is like, isn't that just a disagreement on the term gaslighting?

And my frustration with the term gaslighting is people have traded out a disagreement or a fight, and just said, well, now that's gaslighting. Anytime you're in a fight or a disagreement with someone about how something happened, or you have a different perspective of a situation or you both remember the situation slightly different or ones from your POV to the other person that this now it's gaslighting if your story doesn't line up exactly. Well so I did look up the definition of gaslighting

Merriam-Webster says it's a psychological manipulation of a person usually over an extended period of time that causes the victim to question the I did look up the definition of gaslighting. Merriam-Webster says, it's a psychological manipulation of a person, usually over an extended period of time, that causes the victim to question the validity of their own thoughts, perception of reality, or memories and typically leads to confusion, loss of confidence, and self-esteem. So I think the key word there is manipulating,

because I feel like, were you like, maliciously manipulating us? Absolutely not. We were just having a discussion. The intent of like, it was I intentionally trying to confuse you guys over a course of time. But I do think that Tom Schwartz did that to Jeff.

Right, I was just like, Did what? Agreed. But if we're talking about intent, I don't think Tom had a malicious intent doing that. I think he chose to be ignorant to his own intent though. Like I think he was doing it and then he was just like, I'm just gonna be ignorant to it. Therefore I'm like, I malicious intent doing that. I think he chose to be ignorant to his own intent though. Like I think he was doing it and then he was just like, I'm just gonna be ignorant to it. Therefore I'm like, I'm not doing it.

I think Tom did some things, sure, to lead Jo to on, but after watching all of this, for the people who are Team Jo here, like I guess I'm honestly confused. Do they really just believe that she was this helpless person who just got used. Like isn't her behavior off the show? I think that absolutely before,

now that this show has aired, she was on the show, she's on the reunion, she's getting all this, she's a little bit of fame, she's starting to like act different and she's getting on these lives and she's having fun spilling tea and people are mad. She's making headlines. She's all this stuff.

I think before when she was nobody and she was just like this girl that was living with Tom Schwartz, 100%. 100% what? She was like naive and didn't like, he was like, what we have is magical and we're on this whirlwind and love you and nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.

Yeah, of course, why wouldn't she think they're dating? Like we always talk about doing him boyfriend and girlfriend things doesn't, especially in 2024, it doesn't mean your boyfriend and girlfriend. Sure, but that doesn't mean she doesn't have the right to think that. Sure, but she could also be,

she has demonstrated delusion post-show. Mm-hmm. And do we think that all of a sudden she's a different person? What is more likely that Joe went on a couple episodes of Vanderpump and overnight became a completely different person? Or she's the same person as she generally was.

Obviously the show has impacted her, but the delusion and the kind of lies or maybe embellishment of stories is the same Jo then as she is now. She's on Raquel's podcast for the second time and do we not judge Jo for associating herself with Raquel? I thought Ariana, who by the way last night was, I thought flawless. She had an answer, a great answer for everything. Yeah, especially being put on the spot like that,

having to watch. And like listen, Ariana who chooses to be a reality TV star, she's this like unique reality TV star who like, I really believe genuinely that Ariana like doesn't like people talking about her and doesn't like the spotlight, yet she is a reality TV star. And I think that's genuine.

But like, she made an excellent point and I really felt her pain when she was talking about how Raquel is like talking about her constantly, talking about the affair constantly, making up stories about her constantly, talking about the affair constantly, making up stories about Ariana constantly, monetizing her affair and the shit she did to Ariana, not even bringing up the lawsuit and all the shit that like Raquel is doing.

The reason I'm so critical of Raquel, especially now, cause if you've been listening to this show for the past year, like I wanted to see Raquel turn a new leaf. I wanted her to learn from this. I wanted her to find that kind of growth and using this terrible situation as an opportunity to change. Because people can and do change all the time. It might be rare.

And people also claim the desire to change way more often than people actually change, but people do change. And I think Raquel is mocking all of those people who actually like looked in the mirror, took accountability for their actions, done the actual work and using their mishaps and misfortunes and their ability to hurt others is a real platform for change. And Raquel is mocking it. She is doing all the things that she's doing. Every step of the way, she is mocking it and talking Joe on and asking Joe if she takes accountability for her actions. Meanwhile, she's never taken real accountability

for what's happened with her and Ariana. And why are we letting Joe off the hook who is so willingly willing to use Raquel to get her story out? Like, why are we, to me that matters, you know? That, consider the sources. I don't think the argument is about Joe today. I think it is what Tom Schwartz said and made her feel

while they were quote unquote together, not together, in this. I think that's what the discussion is. It's not what Joe, cause I think everyone can agree that what Joe has done since has been delusional. It's been reckless. It's been crazy to watch.

But I do think that her feeling like he was embarrassed because to go out with her, to be seen with her, to talk about her or whatever is valid. I do think that him saying, cause he said it over and over on the reunion, like, what, listen, like I'm not gonna diminish like whatever it was that me and Joe had because, like, it was magical and I loved her and it was this and it was that.

But Tom is a, and again, it's a flaw of his. He is a people pleaser to a fault and that is who he is and he is that way with everyone. Not an excuse. Sure, but like, where is Joe's responsibility in pursuing and aggressively going after someone who by his own admission wasn't in a good and healthy place himself on the heels of Scandival? Why would you look at someone like Tom and immediately assign guilt and blame,

and he is supposed to know better, and Joe's not supposed to know better at all? Well, we don't know the conversations that were happening between them behind closed doors. And like, if she's saying that he was telling her that, you know, he loved her and... But she clearly, she says a lot of things that we know not to maybe be true.

Yeah, but she said that in front of Schwartz and you didn't deny it. I'm sure she was also choosing to be ignorant on her end. Like she probably saw red flags and chose to be like, ignore it, hence why we got to the point we're at. But I also like think, to Natalie's point, talking in retrospect of like, Tom telling Joe that's not what it was,

that's where a viewer's on the gaslighting portion. We literally watched, I don't know, a couple episodes ago, Tom say, we'll be married in eight years. And she's like, yeah, in eight years we'll be married. He's like, whoa, who said that? We literally watched that scene. We watched him tell her, give her validation, give her some hope of a relationship.

Her to repeat it and him be like, oh, I don't say that, who said that? Maybe this is what it is. It wasn't up to Lala to decide whether it was gaslighting. It was up to Joe. Cause like Joe can decide whether what he was doing was malicious maybe. I don't think it's up to Joe either.

I think it either is or it isn't. Yeah. Listen, I clearly I think the internet has decided that gaslighting is something new. And I'm just never going to win that argument with the people who have decided that gaslighting is just a new name for a disagreement or having a different point of view of a situation. But also I think people's issue, like the comments and stuff, it's like, it's you, Nick, kind of invalidating Joe's feelings of like, she was the one in that situation.

She's saying she feels this way. So the irony of you turning to her and saying, no, you don't feel that way or you can't feel that way, even after like dealing with the Tom situation, which like examples of gaslighting include denying that an event took place. So like to Natalie's example, saying something then claiming you didn't because that denial can then lead her to question things. Have you never been in an argument even with Danny where he said you said

something and you didn't remember saying it and you're like, I never said that. Yeah, sure. I mean, Bravo is always calling out people who are like, I never said that. And I think about all the Bravo, like in this situation, like why would someone go on TV and deny saying something that is literally recorded? Do you think it's because they're gaslighting or they just don't remember?

Can we find that scene? I'd like for Nick to watch it right now. No, I mean, I think that what he did in the past, like, yeah, maybe he wasn't in a good place. Maybe he didn't know how to navigate his emotions. He didn't know how to let her down easy. He didn't know whatever. But I think his actions right now

and what he's done since is gaslighting. Like him making her feel like all of that was just nothing when it meant, like we all watch their banter. So, I don't know. I just, and no, I think Jo's entitled to feel however she wants, but I do think you can be delusional. And I think you can choose to ignore what people say,

you can cherry pick what people say, people lead themselves on all the time. And just because someone says they feel let on doesn't make immediately the other person. I'd like for you to watch the scene again and then get your thoughts on it. I will leave that. I mean, I think I have it if you wanna.

Yeah, let's just play it real quick. No, okay, but that's a perfect example. Here he is like making a point about like, he just wants to be cool with her. I'm not saying he's, I'm not saying Swartz is without fault, but I just think we know that Joe pursued Tom. She literally reached out to Katie. We've heard Katie's version of this story.

She inserted herself into Tom's life. I just, again, I'm not saying Tom couldn't have better communicate her. I think Tom is a people pleaser to a literal fault. I think he gets himself in these situations. But I think Jo is as guilty as him. And I think she has a lot of accountability to take that she is not taking.

And I also think she's guilty by association with associating herself with Raquel. Does that make sense? Okay, I disagree. I will also say I found Lala, I understand her frustration at the end of this reunion. I understand her feeling like she has had all of these conversations with Sheena,

and I also understand Katie's side, but she's had these conversations with Sheena, she's had them with Katie, she's had them with whoever else. And then for them to be asked a question and act completely different on camera or in front of Ariana, like the whole, you know, do you feel like Tom Sandoval has showed up for you more than Ariana has?

And she's like, well, no. And Lala being like, okay, like I'm done. You've literally told me over and over again that you do feel that way. And now that we're here, now that you're in front of Ariana, now that the cameras are rolling, you're gonna act different.

And I understand that frustration. I also understand Katie being like, I was over it. I moved on. So for me to just rehash something that I'm over just for the cameras is fucking stupid. Yeah, and I feel like Sheena and Katie are different in that situation because Katie has always been consistent and Katie has always been someone throughout the years on the show is someone who

who loyalty matters to Katie. She even says she's not gonna be fake and phony she's not gonna pretend to like you like other people in the cast will. And she can take a stand. Where Sheena, you know what, I thought Sheena had an amazing moment at the very end. Where she acknowledged to Lala, like hey, I want to acknowledge that I said that, and I'm sorry if I'm not backing you up here. And I love that Sheena acknowledged her fear

of being worried what people are gonna say. and I love that Sheena acknowledged her fear of being worried what people are gonna say. And Lala doesn't share in that fear. And I thought that was a very vulnerable moment from Sheena where I guess I'm lost with the Lala. What I find most fascinating, because I think the biggest conversation about the finale was, is this the end? And I think a lot of people are discussing,

is this the actual end of Vanderpump? I don't think so. I don't think that's the plan at all. But what I think is fascinating about the reunion part three, for all the commentary about Lala, and accusations towards Ariana about not being authentic, and Lala's big thing was like, hey, this show matters to me.

I don't want this to be the end. You may not need this show because of all these opportunities coming her way, but I still need this show, and I don't want this to go to way. And you not doing your job is affecting all of us, which is basically Lala's main point, which on its face, it makes sense what Lala's saying.

But what now seems to be the case is that there seems to be a real rift between Lala, Katie, and Ariana, like the friendship. You between Lala, Katie and Ariana. Like the friendship, you mean Lala's like, I'm fucking done with these people. I don't even care. And if the show doesn't go on, it feels like more because now instead of like Ariana just not being willing to film with Sandoval, now it's like Lala and Katie and Ariana are all just like, there's such a rift in that relationship that like what can they actually do as a show? And it's like a

self-fulfilling prophecy of Lala to create a bigger divide in the group because Ariana, like again I thought everything Ariana said yesterday, she what makes Ariana so powerful I think so likable to the audience which I think even the producers and the rest of the cast underestimated, it's her willingness to calmly enforce a boundary. And we say that all the time on the show, like when you enforce a boundary, when you're talking to a guy or whatever, just be calm. Don't be reactive. Don't make it seem like you're upset about it.

Just, hey man, it just is what it is. I don't need you to agree with it. Every step of the way, Aria, Sheena made a really good point, whatever it was. I said to Natalie, you know, that's a fair point. I forgot what it was about like not being available. And Ariana said to Sheena, you know, those are valid points. Ariana's just like, listen, I'm not over it. I'm not over it yet. Whether you think I should or shouldn't be over it. I just don't, I'm not, I don't want to see them. I don't think I can see them. It's affecting my mental health. I'm not going to do this. I understand that you want me to for the show, but I'm just not going to do it."

And she's always been calm and consistent. And that's really hard to do. It's really hard for people to enforce boundaries, period. And it's enforced them with just a calmness. And that's a really intimidating thing for people to do. You know, and I think Ariana demonstrating that calmness while still enforcing the boundary, I think is intimidating for the lalas in the Sheenas of the world, because I don't think they're capable of doing that. And I just think it's kind of ironic.

Like she was drawing the authenticity of silence, like you're saying. Yeah, she was doubling down on what she did at the end of the show. And she was like, if I were to sit down and have a conversation with Tom, that would not have been my authentic response. I would have been forcing it to sit down with him.

And I was, I'm always gonna be authentic, and I'm always gonna do what I feel is the authentic thing to do, and that was walking away. And then what was interesting is that Lisa Vanderpump stood up for Ariana in that moment. I think the most honest thing Lala actually said wasn't what she said with the rest of the cast. And then what was interesting is that Lisa Vanderpump stood up for Ariana in that moment. I think the most honest thing Lala actually said wasn't what she said with the rest of the cast.

It's what she said at the very end that was captured kind of all quote unquote off camera when Lala was like, this isn't fucking fair. And she was referencing what Lisa said, which is basically like, no one had my back the way they have Ariana's back. And she was just saying, it's not fair how people treated me after the Randall thing

versus how people are treating Ariana. And I think that is the most honest thing Lala actually ever said. And the truth is, it's not. She's right, it's not fair. Life isn't fucking fair. That's the crux of how she's acted this whole season and how she's acted on these reunions,

is that she's just angry that she didn't get the same treatment that Ariana's getting. And I think that's actually where her anger is coming from. That's what I'm saying. I mean, it's the iconic line that's been in every trailer of I've never seen someone get cheated on and become God. And suddenly become God, yeah.

I'm also curious to know what everybody thought about the way that they played the video at the end, because I thought that as a viewer, it was very interesting to watch. However, I think it was, like, hard to watch also because I felt like it was kind of just, like, mean to Ariana. Like, I feel like they wanted to have that final moment from her and that this was their way of getting it.

Yeah. Well, you know, I don't blame the show as much because I really think knowing some of the producers, I really think they're just gonna show what the cast is talking about. And the cast was willing to go fourth wall. It's like the producers, it's a subtlety. They're always trying to drive conversation. So yeah, I'm sure they were involved being like,

hey, we want Ariana to talk to Tom. And I'm sure they were talking to cast to play along. And I think they are involved there. I don't think the show was going after Ariana. I think they were willing to let Tom have a redemption arc if there was a redemption arc to have. I think they wanted to sess that out. It never really landed.

Again, looking at Lala, her whole big thing about this divide between Katie and Ariana is in the spirit of unconditional honesty, you know, like honesty to a fault. Like everything that runs through your thoughts needs to be on camera and needs to be documented. And that's just like not even realistic. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, she's expecting because one day Katie said something to her about her frustration that,

and then if she goes to Ariana and been like, hey, you know, this happened. They don't film this show 365. You know what I'm saying? It's not a Truman Show documentary about every moment in their life. And Lala is acting as if it is. And she is accusing Katie and Ariana of being inauthentic

because they're not willing to say everything they've ever said on camera. Or to rehash it. To rehash it. Like emotions and conversations that they had had months prior. And it's like, yeah, I've had a conversation with a friend about something I was angry about three months ago

and then three months passed and I'm like, what? Like, you want me to bring this up and get angry about it again? Like, I don't care anymore. I think you just solved it, yeah. That is why Lala's frustrated. I also think it's interesting where Lisa Vanderpump, they brought up her leaving Beverly Hills

and how she said showing up to the reunion means that you, like, with the intentions of reuniting. And like, she walked away from filming the season prior to that. So I think in context of like the Ariana situation, like, she never walked away. She showed up to the reunion. And like her version of being authentic is like showing,

being there, but like it's not necessarily saying something. But then that makes me think like, well, who's gonna show up next season? Like, was this the intention of reuniting? Because Lala said she was okay knowing her friendship was in the ER with Katie and Ariana. So like, she didn't really have an intention in reuniting, she had the intention on like calling out.

Yeah, I mean, there's a clear line in the sand now. But that's the thing, it's just like, if this were to be the end of the show, I don't think it would be because Ariana won't talk to Tom. I think there's a world where Ariana just doesn't come back. And this show has survived losing Jax Taylor, Stassi Schroeder, like- Kristen Doty.

Kristen Doty. Kristen Doty. Real, like those three people, they were the show when it started. You know, Tom Sandoval wasn't the main character. Ariana wasn't even on the show when it started. Lala didn't come on to season four. Swartz wasn't on the show.

Swartz wasn't on the show. James Kennedy wasn't on the show. They've lost a lot of people. The show has gone on. It's adjusted. So the fact that they're acting like it might be the end on the show, James Kennedy wasn't on the show. They've lost a lot of people. The show has gone on. It's adjusted. So the fact that they're acting like it might be the end of the show because Ariana might be. Again, Lala and Sheena were the best TV of the season.

I don't think Ariana was the best TV. Ariana's never been the best TV. So I don't know why they're acting like, it's like the self-fulfilling prophecy of acting like, why is Lala losing her shit about this? And again, like I said, I think the most honest thing she said when she finally kind of got caught on camera, cause she knew the cameras were there,

talking about how it's not fair. I think she's scared. Yeah, and I agree with her, it's not fair. Cause I also said last season that they weren't sure that there was going to be another season. It doesn't help creating the vibe that this is the last season considering that the ending of the finale was like a montage of like first scenes and like ending scenes.

And now Bravo is posting like their first season and then they're like this recent season. So like there's this general vibe that the show is ending and I'm sure that's feeling like Lala's, like this is my paycheck. Yeah, but Lala is gonna be just fine, right? She's a TV star and because she has her willingness to kind of say anything,

they're gonna find a home for Lala Kent. You know what I'm saying? Like she is a willing reality TV star, whether it's The Valley or as a housewife, Bravo is gonna find a spot for Lala if it's not on Vanderpump. I just don't think this show's done. I think they're gonna take a break,

they're gonna focus on The Valley, they're gonna record The Valley, Lala gonna focus on the valley, they're gonna record the valley. Lala, I mean, Ariana's gonna do her thing. And I think they're gonna hope that cooler heads prevail and they'll be able to bring the cast out because right now tensions are so high. You got Lala, you know, saying things that are really hurting Ariana and Katie.

She doesn't wanna be friends with these people all in the spirit of something that is not even realistic. And yeah, it just doesn't even make sense. Why would they cancel the show? It's performing too well. I just think that the strategy to save the show was backwards. I think that the strategy on everyone's part,

including Lala, Bravo, everyone, was to go Sandoval redemption arc, where they should have gone women women sticking together Because now the divide between Lala and Sheena versus Katie and Ariana I think is a way harder hurdle to overcome than Ariana and Tom. Yeah. Yeah, I know it's I think that's where it's like now. It does have me wondering like is this the end? I mean this anything anything is possible. I think I think you're right. I think now it's possible it is the end, solely based off of what Lala did at the reunion. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Like, I feel like the Tom Arreana thing is an easy thing to film around. Yeah, it's a nothing thing. I think it would be a good end. Like, I think it's one of those, if they chose to end the show, it's like you ended at a high versus pushing these storylines

further than they should have been. The whole like Sandoval Ariana situation, like she's drawing that boundary, Lala's trying to bring up stuff from the past, but clearly like these personalities are trying to move on or like they're outgrowing what's come before. Yeah, her way of arguing is very similar to Sandoval's, where it's like she just keeps bringing things up that other people have done in the past to back her argument. And that's never gonna work. But I also just think that it would be a beautiful thing

to end the show where it is now than to just keep ruining these friendships that could potentially actually be real relationships. I don't think they are real. I don't think there are real friendships. I don't think Lala is, Katie is a real friend to Ariana. I really think Sheena,

I think she's a real friend to Ariana, but I do think she is a better friend, I think she's better friends with Tom. I think she just has more in common. And I think Ariana's one of those people who admittedly disconnects and is a little isolated, and there's like, Sheena and Ariana's friendship is never gonna be what Sheena really wants it to be,

you know? And I think it can be that with Tom. Yeah. I mean, Lala kinda said this at the end too. I don't remember if it was on the stage or when they were changing in the back, but she basically said like, yeah, I haven't talked to Ariana,

and I don't really care about my friendship with Katie. That was the essence. Those weren't the exact words, but that was the essence of what she was saying. So it's like, yeah, to your point, that's the part that I feel like is gonna be the hardest hurdle like hurdle to overcome is like, now they've kind of lifted the curtain,

they've broken the fourth wall, and like we're seeing that they're not, they're not, none of them are in a good place. So like, how do we move forward from here? But like, I honestly feel like this is a weird spot to leave it on, you know? Like, yeah, like they're just gonna end the show here on like the most sour note possible.

Yeah, kind of this incomplete thing where most of the cast wants, like that's the thing. Most of the cast wants to keep going. Right. Sandoval, Swartz, Lala, James Kennedy, Allie would be down. Rock's not going anywhere. You know what I'm saying?

Like certainly Joe's available if they want, you know? It's just really Ariana. I just think the choice isn't to keep subjecting this toxic narrative of Ariana and Katy, where everybody's just screaming. I feel like the only choice forward, and I think that's why it's good they're pausing, is a positive actual relationship,

so not everybody's breaking up and fighting with each other. They need a reset. Yeah. Yeah. And I think Swartz, I don't know where he said it, but in the news recently kind of suggested that Lala, talking so much about the job of the show diminishes its authenticity. Like we know it's a show, we know they have a job, but when you're only doing it for the job, then it becomes inauthentic. Again, to backing up Ariana's point, it's like the most

authentic thing for her to do was to not give in to a boundary and protecting her mental health and not submit herself to what might feel like a devastating conversation that she's not ready to have for someone that in her heart is only having it for their own benefit. Right, yeah. And she was right, Tom did show his true colors by immediately being like, well, I...

That was good for me. It was good for me, you know? And it's just like everything Ariana said made so much sense. And she was always calm and poised. Again, that's why I think people are always going to have her back because of how she is setting these boundaries and she's in her consistency in her authenticity. And it's just like such an ironic thing that if this show does end, it will be because of how Lala handled herself at the end

and not of the boundary that Ariana refused not to back down on. Yeah, exactly. I think their strategy was off. So like basically Lala said multiple times at this reunion that her reason for saying things wasn't because she felt it, but because it's the job, you know?

And I don't know if she meant it that way, but that's how Kiana came across. No it is, she's like outing Katie and trying to stir the pot and cause all this drama and have everybody butting heads and fighting and arguing for the sake of the drama of the show. Back to Natalie's point, which by the way, she had to go and take care of her baby, River,

but I get where Lala, listen, it would be very frustrating if Lala is constantly hearing people say things behind, you know, to her face, and then the next day filming, they're changing their story. But I don't think that was what's been going on with Katie. If that's what's going on with Sheena, maybe. But I really think it is more the subtlety of, like their entire lives aren't on this show.

It's not a 365 day recorded show. Feelings do change, feelings evolve, and wanting to have people recreate conversations of feelings they had three months ago also isn't the most authentic way of doing this show. Yeah, I'm not on Lala's side in this at all, but I see why this was infuriating for her to sit through. Totally.

Because she was just trying, trying, trying, trying, trying and nothing was giving. And yeah, I mean, I do agree with one point that she had where she was like, I tried to get up and walk away because she tried to stand up and leave the reunion at one point because she was feeling uncomfortable and frustrated and overwhelmed. She's like, I'm literally carrying a child, I'm pregnant

and I'm trying to remove myself from a situation that was frustrating me, but I'm not allowed. Because Lisa told her like, I'm literally carrying a child, I'm pregnant, and I'm trying to remove myself from a situation that was frustrating me, but I'm not allowed, because Lisa told her, like, sit down. See, but I don't know, I think that's her being dramatic. Like, I get where she's coming from, but where I think where she's coming from, again, has more to do with her feeling that this isn't fair. Yeah.

And has less to do with authenticity and honesty. I think she's trying to drive home a point that nobody's understanding. Yeah, and they're just also not the same situations. No. You know, they're just not. And yes, Ariana is a more likable, given her everything about the situation,

she is a more likable personality. Randall also wasn't on the show. Not only that, but like in this, I guess a likable personality. Randall also wasn't on the show. Not only that, but like in this, I guess a likable victim of fidelity. There's just entirely different situations. Like you can't compare and that's what's frustrating. It's like Lala has this thing where it's like, it's not fair, it's not fair, it's not fair.

But it's also like, it's apples and oranges. These are two different things. Anyways, I still don't think it's over. I think they're gonna pause. I think they're it's over. I think they're going to pause. I think they're going to come back. I think they're going to record the valley. It's the same production company. I think in our focus on that and I think cooler heads will prevail.

I don't know if Ariana will be back. I just don't like they're not going to go out on a high note. This isn't prestige television. You know what I'm saying? And this isn't like, oh, I wish that it make the fifth season of Dexter because it kind of ruined the memory of it. I feel like they're wrapping it up in bows that would because it kind of ruined the memory of it. I, you know, the reality. I feel like they're wrapping it up in bows

that would like make sense for them to just end it. Like Bravo posting the posts that they did before and after isn't like the finale, the last scene is like a montage of from the beginning to the end. Yeah, maybe. It's a beautiful way to end it. I think they're prepared for it to be the end. You know, like for, you know, any Breaking Bad fan out there,

they had, there was a season five, but season four ended in a way that they weren't sure because they didn't have the contracts and they weren't signed up for a fifth season, that they made season four could have been the end. It wasn't supposed to be the end, but they prepared for it to be the end

and it ended up not being the end. But like, yeah. Was Prison Break the same? I don't know, I'm not a Prison Break fan, but for all the Breaking Bad fans, like season four was made to possibly have it be the end if they didn't figure out how to make a fifth season happen. And I think that's what they're doing here

with Vanderpump. I think they're prepared for it to be the end, but I don't think they want it to be the end, and I deep down think they're gonna figure it out and make it work. All right, well, lots to discuss. Well, I'm sure you'll share your thoughts in the comments. It's time for Emma Hernan.

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Emma welcome oh that's good yeah and then if I don't want you to hear something I'll just push it away right Do you ever do that on the show? Oh my God, we are always so nervous because when we're mic'd up, they will totally use things that we're saying privately in the bathroom or we try to whisper, but yes. Anything you say when you're mic'd can be used against you. And they can, yeah.

You're mic'd in the bathroom? Oh yeah, we're always mic'd. We have no privacy. When you say used against you, do you feel like there's a generally positive relationship with producers or Is it like frenemies? It's like frenemies. I mean, I feel like I have a pretty good relationship with them I'm very like happy go lucky. Like I feel like everyone has their different personalities on the cast

I definitely feel like I'm more like happy, bubbly, goofy, kind of crazy. Like I'll say some wild things and like out there things. So I give them what they need certain times, but like I'm not gonna be the person that, you know, is getting drunk on set. Like I'm not even a big drinker and stuff like that. So they would prefer that. But yeah, no, it's definitely like a little bit

of a frenemy situation. Is there anyone who's like a secretly big drinker? I mean, like all the girls like to have fun and stuff like that. We do have fun. I see the cast out. I've never ran into a selling sunset cast where there's like, ah, you know.

No, no, no, no, no, no. Which I can't say about other reality TV stars. Yeah, exactly. Usually you run into a few people and you're like, that person's fucked up. Yeah, exactly. Now me and Krishel save our fun nights out for Cabo. Cabo, you like going to Cabo?

We love Cabo. Is that your favorite Mexican city? I think so. I've only been to Cabo once. Oh, I love it. Have you been? No, I've never been. You have to go.

I will give you all of the best spots. So many Cabo, I like, I generally like the... East Coast, the Tulum, Cancun. I've never been to Tulum, the Cancun side though. Oh no, not really. Oh my god, you haven't experienced Cabo. It's just everything's better. Oh my god, Cancun, what?

No, it's because I like the water. Oh my god, I'm gonna book you guys a trip to Cabo. Geez, next time I go to Cabo, I'm just taking you there. Thank you, yeah. Please invite us. They have beautiful beaches on that side of Mexico. It's just like, I don't know. It's romantic in Cabo.

The food is next level. I don't know. Cabo is definitely a clear win over Cancun. Okay. And a short flight, right? Super easy. Yeah. So yeah, you can just like pop down.

Do you have real estate in Cabo? Well, we have our agency down there. Oh. Yes. So it's like a work trip, wing wing. Yeah. It's a work trip. Yeah.

Okay. Well, what does one do in Cobb? I was there for a bachelor party and it just was like, it felt like I was in Mexico. Yeah. I mean, I don't think I would recommend it for a bachelor or bachelorette. I feel like it's more of like a romantic place, but like- It's romantic. I think it's romantic.

What do you and Kr? I'll do together We go like there's actually really really good crowd so like Chile no Bay, it's like super private Yeah, like everyone, you know Las Ventanas my favorite hotel there Dorado El Dorado and Chile no Bay are same discovery properties love going Didn't we stay at the? We stayed at Dorado Beach, the Ritz Carlton on Dorado Beach in Puerto Rico. I have been there too. Everyone goes down there for the taxes.

Yep. You'll meet some people that are about to go public with their company there. Yeah, no, there was definitely a lot of like, we seem to be staying on a property where like rich people also stayed at. Yeah, so like- We felt that we are around rich people.

Yes, I see. Because we were like, how much is fucking breakfast? Jesus fucking Christ. You felt the energy. Yeah. The houses, the real estate there is pretty crazy too. Like the houses there, like 30, 40 million at Dorado.

Oh my God. Yeah. Oh my God. Because everyone's saving the taxes. Yeah. So like a lot of people that are about to go public with their companies or they made a lot of really fast money like a lot of the TikTok people are making.

Crypto. Yeah, exactly. It's a huge crypto. Actually, it's funny enough, I went down there for a vacation with my family, flew back on a plane with some crypto people and ended up like talking about crypto, made some serious crypto money.

So. Okay. You made money. Yeah. They were just like, here, let me do this for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like different tips and talking about it. And I was investing in crypto anyways. Do you have any crypto tips?

I mean, I would not tell anyone to do it now, but I mean, it's actually up right now. I don't know if you've checked. I have checked. I don't think it's the best time to invest right now. I'm just, I have a- But like, you have to get in at the beginning. So I got in at like the very beginning

and there wasn't a lot of females doing it. So when I was talking about it with them, they were impressed that I had, you know, I knew about the coins that they did and not just like Bitcoin. I knew about like the coins that like not everyone knew about. So they were like, oh, okay. So like we're actually buying on the plane on the way over.

Oh my God. Yeah. That's what I do. I saw the NFT ones. Ooh, what. Yeah. I sold an NFT once. There you go. It was uh. It was like a monkey wasn't it? Yeah. I sold it for like 70,000 dollars. Oh look at you. That's fire. And then right after I sold it like it uh crypto crashed. Oh that's amazing. Hi. Uh back up though. No I have a, I invested, I made a mistake. Yeah, in 2016 I invested. Oh.

And I was gonna invest a lot more and I chickened out. I know, usually people tend to do that. Had a lot of stories, you hear a lot of those crazy stories. And it still worked out, but I have enough in crypto where if it becomes a thing, I'm in the club. Yeah, you'll feel good about it. I'm in the club. Exactly, you'll feel good about it. Exactly, exactly.

But I'm prepared to lose everything. Yeah, exactly. Same. It's like I have some. If it goes up, wonderful. If it doesn't, I'll sleep okay. Yeah. Good to know.

I'm glad we got our crypto discussed. Yeah, exactly. We got our crypto out of the way. What else is new? What have you been up to? Just working, traveling. I was just in London with Krishel and G. G had a show over there. Oh, love them.

And then, yeah, I'm wrapped filming, so I've just been enjoying a little vacation life. I didn't vacation for a bit. I was busy. So I just was in the Bahamas. I was in Cabo before that. So I'm kind of just, like, enjoying life right now. How is the real estate market? Nellie and I are, you know, picking picking her head up kind of looking around, you know

I would go back down for a second No, I mean that no I mean I would say personally like everyone's gonna have a different opinion and the real estate market in general is not the best right now However, I always say if you can get in at any point in real estate, you're never really gonna regret it. I think that it's something that's, it's always gonna be a solid investment

and the sooner that you get in, the better. So like interest rates are really high right now. But you know, the good thing with that is you can refinance and you can get a really good property right now that maybe isn't, is sitting or you can get a better deal and things like that. So. We are noticing properties sitting for longer. Yeah, and sitting or you can get a better deal and things like that. So. We are noticing properties sitting for longer.

Yeah. And so that you can get a deal with that. I mean, I would always say to just get in as soon as possible, to be honest with you. I think it's a great investment. I also like, I bought really young and I bought properties that I wasn't even ready to move into. But what I did was I had people then rent my house out. They're paying my mortgage. And then when I'm ready to move into it, I'm ready to move into it, which is what I did was I had people then rent my house out they're paying my mortgage and then when I'm ready to move into it I'm ready to move into it which

is what I ended up doing but so I always recommend to buy real estate if you can yeah she always recommends I got your back I got real estate we've bought real estate we have real estate yeah good on the just own real estate okay so you have some but you just want it you want I, we just have zero storage in our current house. Okay. And having a baby. Our baby is super inconvenient. There is just shit everywhere.

There's a lot of diapers, yeah. There's just boxes and shit absolutely everywhere. There's just, there's not a coat closet. There's not a linen closet. There's just, there's nothing. And so we just need a little bit more space but we wanna stay in the valley and kind of look maybe like Encino area.

You should buy tomorrow. Tomorrow? Yeah, I told you I have your back. Buy tomorrow, get an escrow. I'll help you with whatever you need. Can you tell me more about this millionaire tax? Oh my goodness, it's kind of a nightmare. Right? Yeah, it's a nightmare. But does it affect, doesn't it affect the

seller not the buyer more? Or is that true? Yeah. Am I misinformed? Well, no, no, no, that is very true. So it does affect the seller more because the seller's paying. However, if you're going to buy a property, you're eventually going to have to deal with the same thing. So it's something that you need to consider, especially if you're gonna buy a property, you're eventually gonna have to deal with the same thing. So it's something that you need to consider, especially if you're gonna go into a property, fix it up, and then sell it. So like a lot of people are deciding, okay, they're not gonna do it in California anymore,

you know, in places where, you know, the mansion tax is in place because- What's a mansion tax? What did I say, the millionaire tax? The millionaire tax. I knew what you meant. It's basically the same thing. But yeah, so anything over five million

than anything over 10. I mean, it plays a huge role. So there's one over, I didn't know about the five. I didn't know about the 10. Not that I'd make it in the market for. Yeah, so yeah, it's over five million and then over 10 million as well. So I mean, it's super inconvenient

for anyone that's looking to buy, sell, and then obviously developers. It's affecting like a lot of people. Then also too, people don't think about, okay, everyone's thinking about it from a perspective like, okay, well, they can afford it because they're paying this for a house. But actually, people are now like, even on my street, when I drive by, all construction has stopped because the numbers don't make sense anymore. So now all the construction workers are losing jobs and that's what people don't think

about. They just think about it as a millionaire tax and things like that but it affects so many people. It's also like in California I mean I know it's called a mansion tax but like that same house in like Nantuck, maybe Nantuck's so bad. I think that's pretty expensive. Milwaukee my god, I know what you're gonna say though. Milwaukee, Wisconsin, let's say. It's just a house. Yeah, it's literally a fraction, fraction of the price. It's why. Like a $400,000 house in Milwaukee. Exactly.

Now it's like a part of a mansion tax in LA. Exactly. So yeah, unfortunately, yeah. Aren't they, are they trying, they've been trying. They've been trying. Jason, Jason would like to go in there with a knife himself, but they've been trying. Who knows if it will get overturned or not.

I mean, it hasn't thus far. So I mean, fingers crossed it does for the real estate industry in general. I feel like there's always rumors that the market's gonna crash and all of a sudden prices for housing is gonna regulate. Do you think that that's actually true? Because I feel like I hear that yearly.

I feel like you just hear that all the time. When have we not heard that? Like a recession has been happening for five years. Exactly, right? People say that all the time. And then you go to a hotel and it's booked out. And it's just like, how long is it people are affording this

if there's a recession? I feel like it's gonna be another 2008 housing crisis. And I'm like, when? Yeah, exactly, when? Can you please give me the exact date on that? Well, I think interest rates are up right now. So I think that that is probably just certain buyers that are going to buy and stuff like that.

That does play a role. But like I said, if you can get in, you can always refinance. So question, now we've been looking a lot of new houses, and I think a lot of people, I love the idea of finding a fixer-upper. Oh yeah, same. But it seems like a lot of work.

I love the idea, but I don't even know how to do it. Yeah, so. It's like, so how, do you have any advice for people? I mean, I love properties myself, Jason, so I invest in properties, I buy properties all the time. If you can buy a property that you can add value to, I mean, that is the smartest thing to do. When you buy a property that's done, it's convenient.

So quality of life play, that's obviously the way to go. We don't care about the quality of our life. Oh, okay, then fine. Just speak for yourself. Yeah, exactly. I would love to move in to a house that is brand new that no one has sat on the toilet. I mean, yeah, that's, I mean, that's kind of-

Can't you just get a new toilet? Well, I mean, yeah, sure. You're gonna make more money, like 90% of the time. There's rare cases where like, you don't know what's gonna happen. But you'll make more money when you can add value to a property. However, like quality of life, I don't know.

I'm at a point where I'm like like quality of life is like, you know, I'm taking my vacations. I'm popping around to different islands. So like quality of life. It's important to you right now. I'm going to go with you right now on that. Sorry. Okay. All right. But I do think like investment wise, if you can add value to a property, like you should always do it. How's the love life? Good.

Oh. We're going right in. You choked. No, no, no, it's good. I started dating. I hadn't dated for a really long time. What was the reason for the- Not dating?

Yeah, the not dating. Hmm, I think I was scarred from my last relationship. What happened? I was engaged. It was a nightmare. Yeah, failed engagements. Haven't you heard? Yeah. I haven't heard. You had failed engagements. Haven't you heard? Yeah.

I haven't heard. Oh, no, no, no. I was engaged for a hot second. And since then, I hadn't actually been in a relationship with anyone else. So that was six years ago. Oh, okay. Five, six years ago.

How long was the engagement for? The ex from the storyline with Christine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not familiar with that story. Oh God. Listen, Emma, we believe in learning, I've had a couple failed engagements, you know? Okay, yeah, so like you, we can connect on that.

And it worked out. And it worked out. And it worked out. Yes, exactly. I love her. Yeah, we've learned from our trials and tribulations. This is true. Like our hard times from our past

are our best stories for the present. Yes, exactly. A breakdown leads to a breakthrough. I always say that. There we go. Absolutely. So tell us more about this failed engagement. Okay, well I was in a, let's see, a 10-year relationship with my high school sweetheart.

Oh, shit, okay. A while. And then I met- Was that hard to get out of? Like my first relationship, a 10 year relationship with my high school sweetheart. Oh shit, okay. A while. And then I met. Was that hard to get out of? Like my first relationship, I met her right after high school. Like literally right after.

And then eight years later, we were just ruining each other's lives. Yeah. With our toxicity. Exactly, I think it's just hard for me. I love comfortable. Like I love being, he was very close to my family,

things like that, you know. Well, your first love, it's a bugaboo. Yeah, like I have nothing bad to say about him, but I think like, you know, I moved out here. We had different dreams. He stayed in my little hometown and I came out here. So, so yeah. And then I met my ex that I was engaged to right away,

like within the week of breaking up. So, you know, it was kind of a rebound that went sour. It was like a rebound that went off, bounced off the basket, smacked somebody in the face. What was your reason for ending the engagement? Oh, yeah, he was, he just wasn't the best. Yeah, he was not. He was messy. He was messy, he was, he just wasn't the best. Yeah, he was not. He was messy.

He was messy, he was really messy and I didn't feel like being, yeah. What did you learn most about that relationship? Definitely just fall in my heart but also use some brain cells in the process of that. I don't know, so for me, even though he wasn't the best to me and I ended the engagement, I have no regrets. Like I don't regret the relationship I learned.

I feel like I became a woman when I was dating him because we were dating for quite some time and I feel like it was one of those things where if you don't go through that, then you don't appreciate the next relationship that you're in. And I also am not the type of person to get jaded. I am still the hopeless romantic,

I want that fairy tale ending, and I'm not gonna let some guy that had his issues affect that. For sure. What would your ideal way of... Well, you're dating, you're back out there. What would be your ideal meet-cute? Well, ideal would probably be like out and about,

but I have, you know, nowadays, everyone just slides into DMs. Sure. How would... Do you, you know, as a woman in 2024, an attractive woman, you're tall and like in my tall, you know, it's just like tall people can be intimidating. Do you want to be approached by men in public or like like a stranger or because a lot of women nowadays, they don't like, hey, if I don't know you, don't talk to me. I don't, you know, especially like in New York, you, don't talk to me, I don't, ooh, you know?

Especially like in New York, you hear, you know, it's just a lot of, you know, there's a lot of shit going on in New York where it's just like for your own safety, like don't talk to me if you don't know. Oh, I love the vetting process. I need a friend of a friend that has a background check that's like, nope, they dated this person

and they love their family, they're a good person. But some people are old school, they still want the, they want to be hit on in public. Like I dropped my papers and you picked them up for me. Remember back in the day where people actually flirted? Yeah, I mean I'm a flirt. So I mean, I do like that interaction. I'm very, I mean, everyone thinks I'm flirting with them

though, so it can be misconstrued for sure. But like, I'm just very friendly. I love talking to people. I love being social. I always have. So when I'm out and about, I'm going out and about because I wanna talk to people. It doesn't have to be romantic all the time.

But even, I love meeting women. I love talking to people and being social and being bubbly and stuff like that. So yeah, but I feel like a lot of guys actually are intimidated to come up to me, for sure. Yeah. Would you ever respond to a DM? I definitely have.

I mean, I've definitely responded. Not all the time. What are you looking for? Is it just more, I mean, people ask me, what was it about Natalie that made you respond? I'm like, her photos. Started with the photos. I mean, it's Instagram. Be honest. You know, it's a visual app, you know? It'm like, her photos. Started with the photos. I mean, like it's Instagram.

Be honest. Like it's a visual app. Yeah, exactly. It wasn't like you had her full background. No, it was like, it's worth the risk. It's worth, yeah, exactly. I'm like, this photo is worth the risk. This photo is definitely worth the risk.

For me, I think it's really important to be family-oriented. You're not going to tell that from a DM. I do understand that. Yeah. What does that mean? But if you can see some... Okay. So my last relationship, one of the biggest reasons that I ended it, we had different family values.

I'm super family-oriented, love my family, I'm a hard worker. I just need someone to align with that. I need someone to want kids like I do I want someone that you know isn't gonna be intimidated by my success Yeah, so yeah, how do you and how do you vet that out? I mean well everyone talks a big game and then you know, you don't really figure it out till you're kind of in too deep Would you ever date someone else in real estate? I mean, I would, I definitely would. I think that, you know, I'm out and about and when you meet people, I think it's nice to meet people in the industry anyways, like whatever industry you're in.

But I don't know if I would date another agent, but yeah, I mean, I would date like some sort of like developer or something like that, you know. Have you ever dated a client? Who? I feel like that's like an interesting way to meet someone, but I'm like, is that an ick or is that something?

I mean, kind of, I guess you could say, I mean, you'll see a little bit on the next season. Oh. A little tea for you guys. But yeah, I feel like for me, I'm not on apps. So if I'm meeting someone, it is either out and about or through DMs or through someone I'm doing business with and I actually don't See anything wrong with that because I would rather know kind of what they're up to what they're like in business how they treat other

People so yeah, the guest answer that would be a yes It was a the client and they've got clearance for a five million dollar house exactly exactly She's got their finances in To get Exactly, I have to get proof of funds for some of these properties. It's the best way to do a background check. Yeah, that's like a sneaky, clever way. Yeah, and it's not coming from me, so...

That's a hack. I mean, free background check. Yeah, exactly. Have you ever dated a guy who lied about his finances? For sure. I feel like a lot of people exaggerate. Especially in LA. Oh, yeah. I mean, everyone exaggerates. Way too many people driving G- lot of people exaggerate. Especially in LA. Oh yeah, I mean everyone exaggerates. Way too many people driving G wagons who live in apartments in LA.

Yes, very true. My ex drove a G wagon. Oh really? And he rented? I mean he leased, so but. No, no, I'm saying. Oh no, you meant for the day. No, no, no, I meant.

For the house. I meant like, what did he live in? Oh no, no, no, he had a house. He did have a house. Yeah yeah no no no. I heard G Wagon and I was like instantly scarred like I hear that that G 63 going up my street I'm like is he here? It's like if your car is worth over a hundred thousand dollars you need to own property. You have to. And if you don't own property you shouldn't be driving a 60. No. Because Gagons are like a quarter of a million dollars. They are very expensive.

Yeah, exactly. It is my dream car. Kind of, we do. Oh, it's such a dope car. It's so good. They are. They're sexy. I will say G-Wagons are sexy, but Range Rovers, I have a Range Rover.

And Range Rovers are a little bit more luxury. You think so? It's like that soft close. Yeah. I had a Range Rover. What? Yeah. I thought it was fine.

I loved it. I liked it. Glitchy with the electronics. Not the new ones. We got to get you a new one. Okay. Yeah, no. The soft close does it for me. I love her.

She's getting you a new house and a car. Yeah, exactly. What's the soft close? You know, like when the door, you can like kind of barely close it and it would just like suction cup, you know, like as opposed to the... Is it a new feature? I think it might be. Fine, we'll give you that. But the G-Wagon, you have to slam it.

It's been a few years. I mean, even when you go in the passenger seat, you have to, yeah, you have to shut it like five times. Like, I don't have time for that. Isn't there like a tax deduction though on G-Wagons? And on Range Rovers. Is there? Mm-hmm, yeah, I got you.

I'll help you with your taxes too. Will you? Yep, I can do it all. I'm not so much of a, we, at the end of the day, I just, I can't over with your taxes too. William? Yep, I can do it all. At the end of the day, I can't overspend on cars. When I got to Range Rover, right after I was a bachelor, I was single, I had a little extra money in my pocket. I was like, fuck it, I'm going to do this this one time, at least it.

It was fun, I liked it, but I was like, I can't do this again. But G-Wagons though, everyone that bought, so they're going over stickers. So people actually aren't losing money on G-Wagons though, everyone that bought, so they're going over stickers. So people actually aren't losing money on G-Wagons right now. I have to say they're holding their value. Normally cars depreciate, G-Wagons, yeah. Oh my gosh, convincing me. I know, I really got your back right now.

They're holding their value. Yeah, so if you can get it, yeah. I mean, they're selling over stickers. We're sounding like snobs right now. I'm learning so much and taking mental notes. Right, exactly, it's a write-off. To be clear, we drive an Infiniti in an Audi right now. Which are nice.

I just don't like the loud engines. I know, they're loud. I have a theory about that. What's that? We may have to cut this though. I just have a theory that when men rev their engines, Oh yeah, it's kind of a very small penis. Oh, for sure.

I was gonna be politically correct and go small eggplant theory. Anytime I see a guy. I just went right in, small dick. To me, sure. I was gonna be politically correct and go small eggplant theory. Anytime I see a guy. I just went right in, small dick. To me, it's Porsche. It's Porsche. Oh.

If you drive a Porsche and you're a guy, I immediately think little dick. Ooh, okay, good to know. Might not be fair. I'm sure across the board is not the case. I'll be like Forrest Grump running from any Porsche I see. Now that I'm single. Ah!

I could be wrong, you know? But to me, that just screams, there's no, cause it's not, or like a Lambert, there's no practicality to it. A G-Wagon, it's got storage, you know, it's like a luxury family. I love a man in a minivan. Okay, yeah. Hot take? Hot, a Prius?

Family oriented. Family oriented, okay. Maybe you drive like a Lambo Ferrari in LA, I don't know. Yeah, there's something else is going on. Especially like, and if you're a gear head, like if you're a car guy, it's like I'm into cars, you know, sure.

But there's like way too many tech bros driving Ferraris. And it's like, okay, I know you're not into cars. Yeah, exactly. But also too like real car people, like they know the good good cars they're not going out and buying like you know just a Lamborghini like they have like the old-school like they have like the sexy sexy cars. Have you ever dated a guy with a really nice car and found out the hard way that he

had the nice car for the wrong reasons? Were you like he took his pants off and you're just like oh there it there it is. There it is. There it is. Oh my God. Well, to be honest with you, I've really only dated my high school sweetheart and then I was engaged. So I haven't been in that many relationships. You've only seen two dicks.

Yeah. Wow. I mean, my eggplant number is really, really, really low. But yeah, Jesus. Oh my goodness. Yeah, right there. Selling sunset stars, only seen two dicks. No, no, no, but like it's, I didn't say the exact number,

I didn't say the exact number, but it's low, let's just say that. Quality over quantity. Yeah, exactly, exactly. I'm a lover, you know? Okay. Yeah. Okay. Everyone's still processing that.

Yeah, take a sip of that. But yeah, no, I've actually never dated anyone with a Porsche or anything like that that I've had a negative experience with. Why does everyone hate Nicole? Which is like, I went back and watched the most recent reunion and Chrishell was like, I fucking hate you, which I guess I appreciate the honesty. Right? But like, it fucking hate you, which I guess I appreciate the honesty. Right? But like, it takes a lot to hate someone.

As an adult, I mean, it's a lot of energy. But when you feel like someone's just coming at you and people are coming at you nonstop and for whatever reason, and if it's for five minutes of fame or whatever it is, then that's not cool. And- Do you hate Nicole? I don't appreciate Nicole.

What do you appreciate? I don't appreciate a lot of her antics. I don't appreciate, I knew why she came on the show. I've seen text messages, I've seen proof. I knew she came on the show, and I knew she had, you know, plans to bring up stuff with Kruschele, and so like I don't appreciate that. I'm also super, super loyal to my friends and family,

and like I'm ride or die, which you'll see the next season to come as well. Like I will literally like take a bullet and then, yeah, kill somebody. What, and just for anyone who didn't know, Nicole came on the show for? I mean, she came on the show and she was, she fully knew that she was going to come for Rochelle.

Okay. And that was gonna get her some camera time. Do you think she went to producers and saying, if you cast me, I'll go after Rochelle? Those weren't the exact words that were used. But like some version of that? Yeah, I know for a fact that stuff was mentioned in order to get cast for the show because I know that when I was getting cast,

she was also talking to production and they asked her to join from the very beginning. She didn't wanna do it, didn't feel comfortable. Then the show blew up, became a massive success. And I know that when I was being interviewed by production and we were talking about everything, she was getting interviewed the same time and they didn't take her, then they took Chelsea.

And then she really, really wanted to get on at that point. And so I sometimes feel like when people become desperate, they make the wrong decisions. And so that's me putting it very nicely. I think that she made some bad decisions. So she's not trying to mend any of the past seasons' issues? No, I think now she is. If now she is, because obviously it's like, hello,

you look like the villain. You made bad decisions. And now the world is holding you accountable. And you're not very likable. Facts. If you ran into her at like, you know, one, would you say hi? I didn't for a while.

I haven't seen her in a minute. I mean, to be honest with you, I'm super like, I don't like to be fake and say hi when the cameras aren't there, and then when the cameras are there, be different. So to be honest, like, if we're not speaking when the cameras are up, we're not gonna speak off camera.

I like to like, I'm super genuine. So like, I'm not gonna change not speaking when the cameras are up, we're not gonna speak off camera. I like to, I'm super genuine, so I'm not gonna change whether or not the cameras are up, and I do not appreciate people that do. Okay. Would you give her a dirty look, or would you just ignore her? I mean, in the past, if we've been at events, I've just completely ignored her. Would you ever spin her a drink?

Yeah, how far would I take it? How deep does the hate run? Yeah, no. Because Rochelle was like, I fucking hate you. Spinner drink You know Michelle was like I fucking hate you well She really came for her like she really and to be honest with you I feel like everyone thinks it's a good idea to come for Chris shell because they think that they're gonna get their five minutes Of fame and that's just so shitty like so I'm extra protective of her even more so than she is of herself I think gotcha. I've only experienced Nicole, she was gonna come on the show twice.

Oh, backed out? Yeah. Hmm, interesting. Incredibly high maintenance. Ooh, we don't like that. No. No, I'm from Boston. I'm super easygoing, down to earth.

She would say one thing and did another twice. Oh, we don't like that. She's kinda dead to me. Oh, yeah. I don't like hate her, cause I don't know her. Oh okay, but she's kind of on the same level as us, right? Like how we view her. I don't bother with her anymore.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, no. Yeah. No, no. Meanwhile, I'm here, I'm getting you guys some real estate, helping with your taxes, I'll make your coffee. Just to update you, Natalie, you're out. Emma's only seen two dicks. No, I did not say that. Oh my God, oh my God, that is definitely gonna be a headline.

Please, no. It's not gonna be a headline. Jesus Christ, no, no, no. I'm saying it's really low. I've only had two boyfriends. What is the most annoying headline you've ever seen about yourself? Because Nellie and I get them all the time. Last week, we were on our honeymoon.

And what are you doing on your honeymoon? You have sex. And we jokingly talked about how we had an outdoor shower. Yeah. Oh no. We had an outdoor shower, and I made a joke about like whispering dirty talk, and People magazine, and they're friends, like I like to think

that they're our friends. Were they like, Nick and Natalie had public sex? No, like look up the headline. Is that public? It was like, Nick explains why he has to whisper dirty talk. That was the headline. What? Yeah, what is it, Ellen?

Oh, no, it's literally why Nick Viall and Natalie Joy say they had to whisper dirty talk during their honeymoon. Like, clearly, just fucking around on the show. Well, oh my. That's fun though. And then the first line is Nick Viall and Natalie Joy are sharing some steamy details. Ooh.

We were clearly fucking around. Literally. Yeah, I was gonna say no pun intended. I mean, who doesn't like a good dirty talk anyway? It's like, I guess, but let's just like. Yeah, it's like you can't say anything at this point. Yeah. That could have been worse.

You could have gotten the Nick and Natalie have sex outside on their honeymoon. Oblique. I actually would have liked that better. I know, I'm here for that. I like that. That's a fun one. Because like, I just feel like,

because it was it Nick and Natalie or was it Nick explains why he is? Nick and Natalie. No, you guys were in it together. Oh, thank God. And then it was basically the transcript of what you said on the show. It's just a little creepier when it's like,

Guy explains why he has to talk dirty of the whisper. You know, it's like, eww. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm like, yeah, what's going on? But it does say, it says, Joy starts laughing and asks her husband, why would you say that publicly? So it's not a great look. Oh, great, yeah, thank you people. Well, I was caught off guard when

Nick did go into some details of said shower sex. But you know. Do you have any kinks? I'm like, oh, god. We need to not go down this route. Where's my notes at? Let me just give you one second. I'll just pull up my list.

I mean, OK, we were talking earlier. Quality over quantity. So like, you know, I like to make things quality if I'm gonna do it, you know? Go big or go home. Yeah. We are a non-judgmental show. Yeah, exactly.

I like to have fun if I'm in a relationship with somebody. With the two dicks that you have. No, no, no. Oh my God, we need to get off this. No, two boyfriends, but I've only been, I've only had two boyfriends, and then I've had two with the other. By the way, if you only saw two, that's totally fine.

But again, not, no. No judgment. Absolutely no judgment. I honestly kind of wish I've only seen two. I have only seen two. You've only seen two? I've only seen two. Who's is the other?

Well, I... Danny, stop listening. I did marry my high school sweetheart, so that was that, and then there was before, on a cruise. A little thum-thum. Oh, on a cruise. Is that how you lost your virginity, was on a cruise? Does your husband know?

Did not lose my virginity though, just... You just fought, yeah. You had a big... Were you gonna say fondled? I did. Speaking of losing your virginity, Camila Cabello, am I saying that right? Camila Cabello.

Camila Cabello. Is it, wait, who are you talking about? Yeah, Camila Cabello. Is there someone with a very similar name? No, I don't think so. She recently talked about losing her virginity and she talked about how it was like a sweet lovemaking moment

Which I guess good for her. But like can't relate. Yeah I feel like she's setting unrealistic expectations with the the young ones out. I lost my virginity in a great way Was it like a sweet lovemaking? Yeah, I had like what's that song from Top Gun? I had that playing there was take my breath away You lost your virginity to I had like, what's that song from Top Gun? I had that playing, there was- Take My Breath Away? Yes, there was- You lost your virginity to- Emma, that's iconic. That is pretty great.

That was the only way that I would do it. Yeah, there was rose petals in the bud. It was a whole thing, yeah. Mine was- That's one of the hottest sex scenes in movie history, top- Yeah. Mine was in the back of a-

It was in real life as well. Wow. Mine was in the back of a Silverado in the woods with like a micro penis, I'm pretty sure. So, not only I'm really glad you made it out of there, a lot of people. We don't like that. No.

Yeah, but I was in love with them. It was, I was in love with them. And I was like, I guess this is, I was like, I guess this is what everyone, this is what I'm working with. At least you experienced that first before you went anywhere else. And then it got bigger and scarier for sure. Now it's just massively huge, which is so huge and massive.

People Magazine, are you listening? Are you ready for your next headline? Next slide. Yeah, keep going. Keep going. Mine included mosquito bites. You're losing your virginity? No.

It was in a park, right? It was in a park. Oh, I thought you meant like she had mosquito bites. Yeah. You're losing your virginity? No, it was outside. It was in a park, right? It was in a park. Oh, I thought you meant like she had mosquito bites. That's what I thought too. He's like, I was helping her scratch them. It was very romantic. It's itchy.

Oh my goodness, yeah, wait. So what did you mean? Yeah, I was outside at night. So you got mosquito bites. I think we all got off. We all? We all? People were involved. Oh my? How many people were involved?

Oh my god. How old were you? Sounds like you saw more than two. Yeah. We're tuning in in orgy. That was 17. Yeah. 17.

Wow, I was 15. It's kinda scary now that we have a daughter. I'm like, oh my god. Yeah, you're like 15, I know. How old were you? Me? Mm. Yeah. Mm. Yeah.

Mm. I was young. Same. Yeah, I mean 14. Yeah. Was it your high school? And it was a good experience? It was a great experience.

I am very into that. I've always been into that. So yeah, it was a great experience. And then I was only with that person, you know what I mean? So it wasn't like... Yes, yeah. Okay, well maybe they're not setting.

14 turning 15, so like, we'll go with 15 with the headlines anyone? 17, yeah. Guys lose it later, I feel like. You think? I stopped mid first time. It was unprotected sex, so I was like, we need to stop. What?

Are you serious? Oh wow. How old was she? My age. She wasn't a virgin. Oh my God. You have that lucky condom in your wallet that was just gathering dust.

I mean, kind of like you said, I think she was my age, but she had like, her first boyfriend was a senior when she was a freshman. Same. You know, so. Yeah, she was experienced.

She took my virginity. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So your theory is right. No, I, yeah, I, he, we used a condom and then I was like, I don't even think it went, it didn't last very long, I don't think anyone. Did you ask him if he was at a start? I think I thought in my head like, I was like, is it in?

I don't know. But no, and then the next day I remember being like, you have to go and get me like something. I think I'm pregnant. And he was like, I don't know if that's possible. And I was like, it is, I know it is. Oh, I for sure, after I lost my virginity, and then several other times with just like

going to third base, I was convinced I had all the STDs All of them and then I'm pretty sure I was like pregnant You were pregnant with child no I'm telling you that's why I like literally I've never had a one-night stand in my whole life I think I've told this story before but in high school messed around we messed around. Me and this girl, we were hanging out with. No sex, but. Had some fun. Had some fun.

What kind of fun? Like how much fun? On a one to 10 level, how much was the fun? Either way, I really got in my head. I was super paranoid. And then I got out the old calendar and I would call her up and been like, so like, how you feeling? But you did kind of have the sniff calendar and I would call her up and then like, so like how you feeling?

Oh my, but you just kind of have the sniffles, I don't know. And I was just like, I don't know what I was looking for, I was young and stupid because I was, you hear all these stories about if someone's pregnant they're gonna start feeling this or that. And I also was like, I didn't wanna ask her if she got her period, but I also was like,

so you know, I was super. So you didn't have sex, but you thought you got her pregnant. Yeah, I was, I thought. Oh, okay, there was other. Somehow there could be a transfer. From, yeah, yeah, yeah, from a swallow to a. Something, or I don't know.

Yeah, a hot tub. Okay, yeah, something happened, yeah. I was, you know, back then it was like the only way to not get someone pregnant or not get an STD was to literally not look at someone, you know? It's like, do not touch anyone ever. Do not make eye contact. Sex ed, abstain.

And that really resonated with me. Do they still teach sex ed in schools? I imagine they do. Not in my school. Yeah, I know. I feel like I just said it was in Jewish. It was different. Actually, so Danny's mom is an OBGYN

and she would come in once a year to do like, not a sex ed, but like a sex class kind of thing. And yeah, that was awkward. Because it was Danny and I just sitting next to each other while his mom. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, because he was your high school sweetheart. Yep, yep. Oh my God.

How did your parents, either of your parents ever ask the both of you if you were sexually active in high school? No, actually. I never got that question either. How do you think we're gonna handle that with our kids? I have no idea. That seems like really scary.

Is it still called the birds and the bees? Like the conversation? Yeah. My mom and dad were polar opposites. My dad's like, you will not have sex until you're married. And my mom was like, literally teaching me how to give a blowjob when I was. By the way, he's like, that's love.

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He does, yeah. Okay. Yeah, still doesn't like my mom. He's still mad. Yeah, still mad at my mom about it, so yeah. My mom's like the mom for Mean Girls. You know the mom for Mean Girls? Yes.

I would put on like a little skirt and my mom would be like taking pictures. She's like, yes, Emma, shorter. Okay, let's get the socks up. Oh yeah, that know the mom from Mean Girls? Yes. I would put on like a little skirt and my mom would be like taking pictures. She's like, yes Emma, shorter. Okay, let's get the socks up. Oh yeah, that was my mom. And your dad's crying next to her. My dad's historically crying, you are not leaving the house.

So conservative, yeah. Do you have siblings? I have a brother. You have a brother. How was that, how was your mom with your brother? Oh my God, my brother could do anything in the entire world that he wanted. Yeah, he could do whatever.

My dad, my brother would have like booty calls over, might walk a shame out, my dad would say goodbye. No boy was even allowed in my bedroom. No. Was he older or younger? Older. Okay, there it is. Oh my gosh.

Oh yeah. I feel like my plan is to be super open. Yeah, you have to. And it's gonna be like, hey, whenever you do it, we're gonna talk about it. And I want her to like, hey, whenever you do it, we're gonna talk about it. And I want her to, like, you know. That's good birth control. The last thing I wanna do is sit and talk to my dad about it.

Exactly, right? That's the plan. I'm just gonna be like super the open, like, all right, you know, just be safe and protect yourself, and just whenever it happens, let's just talk about it. No, honestly, when I told my mom I was pregnant, I was shy. I was like, she's gonna know. She's gonna know I did it. She's gonna know how this happened.

And then, yeah. No, I will say though, my mom's approach to literally just being super open and whatever you wanna do and stuff like that was such a better method as opposed to some of my girlfriends, their parents were so strict, tried to lock them in the house. They were just sneaking out and doing way worse things. You can't lock them in the house.

I was like the good one. Yeah, I was very bad. I just wanna teach River that she is super important and to value herself and just, I want her, whoever she decides to do whatever with, that like she's, she knows her worth. Exactly. What about if we have a boy? Is it gonna be the same conversation?

Same thing, yeah. It's gonna be like, go on get that. Yeah, exactly right. You say that now girls and guys are my dad treated me so different than my brother. I do not want to raise a fuck boy. No. Oh yeah. Wrap it up. Good.

I agree. I want to raise a respectful king. Hell yeah. Maybe he can date my daughter one day. As long as he's respectful. Maybe. Maybe. Yeah, I feel like we've arranged several marriages from our bar. Yes, right?

Like a lot of our friends have boys, we're like, and they'll get married one day. Exactly, right? I'm like, back the fuck off. Yeah. Ashley and Jared with Dawson, we were like, oh, it'll be so cute, they'll get married one day. Exactly, right? I'm like, back the fuck off. Yeah. Ashley and Jared with Dawson, we were like, oh, it'll be so cute, they'll get married one day. I'm like, age gap inappropriate, no. No, no, no, no, no.

He's like one year older than her. Oh, wait, that's so cute, so you're already so protective. Yeah, I don't think I'm gonna, I am protective, but yeah, to your point, I don't think there's any, there's no benefit to being the strict unreasonable parent. You know, like we have one kid, hopefully we're lucky enough to have more. And I wanna remember how I was in high school

and I wanna find a way to have a relationship with my kids where they do feel like they can trust us. You know, like I'm not trying to be their friend, but I want them to feel like it's, they're either gonna come to us or come to people that aren't gonna give better answers than us. I'd rather them feel like it's a safe place. Safe space.

Safe sex space. Cause like, yeah, my parents were great parents. I have like no notes, but if I were to, I was raised very Catholic and very Christian and conservative, and so you didn't talk about it. I was very... That was like my dad. It was weird to talk about, so we didn't.

You don't have sex till after marriage. Exactly. Yeah, there was a lot of like, oh fuck, I'm gonna go to hell. Damn. Did you grow up religious at all? Yeah, I mean, we went to church and stuff like that, but my dad was definitely more religious

when it came to like, okay, yeah, you will not have sex with anyone before you marry type thing. Didn't work out, but yeah, I mean, went to church and stuff like that, for sure. What church? I'm sure. And tell me all about it. Tell me all about it. And tell me all about it.

What are you watching these days? What are you, do you watch TV? Do you, what are your guilty pleasures? I've been so busy, I was traveling and stuff like that, so I haven't been watching anything, but I just started selling OC because I was like seeing all the tea that was going on and all the drama with all that.

Do you know that Tyler guy? I do, I've met him. I don't know him like that though. I've only heard bad things. Oh. I've only, yeah, I've only met him like a few different times. Well, it's just funny, because I was friends with someone

who was romantically involved with him prior to him marrying Brittany Snow or getting together with Brittany Snow. And she told me- Porche theory? What's porche theory? Your porche theory. Malton.

Oh, did he drive a porche? I'm just kidding, no, I was just kidding. I thought that's what you were going to say you heard. No. I mean, I think she has since come out and talked about his... It's everything that's not out about him through Brittany Snow. I already heard that same version. He seems to be a social climbing clout chaser.

Oh, interesting. Yeah. Okay. And kind of bad news and kind of deceitful and full of lies. And, you know. Oh, wow. And it was just kind of fun. I, because I actually remember, uh, what, what, Bernie Snow was in a movie.

I went to the premiere of the movie. It was like her and, uh, it was about like three friends going out. Anyway, does this matter? Yeah. We went to the premiere. I know what it is. It's called Someone Great. It's that Netflix one. It's the Ibiza one.

Someone Great. Yeah. Thanks. Anyways, it doesn't matter, but I was at the premiere and she had just started dating that guy and I remember seeing her and having heard the story about this Tyler guy being like, and just like, I about this Tyler guy being like, and just like, I didn't know, you know, I didn't know Britney Snow. I didn't know anything about her.

I wasn't going to be some stranger guy and being like, Hey, just, you know, heard a lot of bad things about your new partner, but I knew all these bad things about this guy. And I felt like bad knowing all this fucking shit about this guy and not telling her honestly. But like, what was it? My fucking place? I don't know her I'm not gonna walk up to her and be like just so you know this guy's fucking bad news but yeah it's kind of like for it to all like come out a couple years later kind of exactly how I thought it would was kind of oh wow you could have saved her good I feel like people definitely

thought that when I was walking with my ex at times like Like she doesn't know what she's getting herself into. Do you think you're good at listening to other people's advice or do you need to like make mistakes on your own? No, I'm a good listener. Like I definitely feel like I need to make mistakes on my own because I do feel like I'm pretty level headed and I feel like I make good decisions. But you know, I'm not the type of person if someone tells me something, I will digest it. I will take it in. I'm not like, oh, no, no something I will digest it. I will take it in I'm not like oh, no. No, they don't know what they're talking about I hate people like that like if you can't hear things that are going on and like red flags

I don't want to paint my red flags white Yeah, I might like tie-dye them for a second. What were your friends thoughts on your ex? Oh, they were not Yeah, they were not a fan Did you know that while you were dating it? Or was it dating them? Or was it one of those things when you broke up, you know? It is kind of annoying sometimes where they're like, I fucking hated that person.

Yeah, exactly. They tell you after. No, no, no, like a few friends told me during, yeah, no, I mean like, I would have like the crazy experience. I mean, I think he had been with all of LA. So like, I remember going to the catch one night, we were at the bar. And I remember like, we just walked in like everywhere we went. If there was a remotely attractive girl, like he had been with her. So like, I had to deal

with that. And I went from like being in like one relationship my whole life to like now I'm dating someone that like has literally like run through the town. But I didn't know this. And I was like, you know, falling in love and didn't know this at the time. Remember one time we were at Catch and we like went out to order drinks. It was like a date night out. We were with a group and the bartender was like, she said his name, I guess, whatever,

his name's out there. So she was like, she was like, oh, Peter? And he was like, yeah. And he was like, it's Sarah. You fucked my friend Rachel and never called her back. That was like, what? No. But those were things that I dealt with on a regular basis.

What did he say? He's like, I'll tell her yesterday. He got the manager, yeah, right? He got the manager. And I'm just standing there like, oh. Does she still want me to call? Yeah, I'm like, oh no. But those were the things that I dealt with

on a regular basis, although we went to dinner, or like we ate dinner, because we were with a group so I didn't want to ruin the whole night. My girlfriend was there. I didn't want to ruin the whole night. And I did get him back because we got like those like little like Mahi Mahi tacos and next to it was like a big pile of wasabi. And he was like, is that guac? I'm like, yeah.

And he put the entire wasabi on his taco and like ruined his entire night. So I feel like I got a little revenge. Yeah. I like it. Wasabi revenge. Yeah. I'm also like the fact that he took the whole glob

and like didn't offer it for anybody else. Oh no, he totally, yeah. Exactly, right? He didn't even share. How much wasabi? It's usually just like a little thing. So why did he think there was just like the smallest dollop of guacamole?

I don't know, but it was the best moment of my... It was literally, it will go down as like the best like revenge moment. You're stupid. He's like, no, he's like, they're really... I'm like, does this look like wasabi? But fine, take it. Sure.

But yeah, and he would like, when I say a ruin but his whole night, like he couldn't eat or drink anything else. That's a lot. That's a tough bite. Yeah, it's a tough bite for sure. That's a great revenge moment. I love that.

Right? Yeah. I told you, I'm taking notes this whole episode. Yeah. Yeah. I'll give you all the good things. Where do the ladies on Selling Sunset get their dresses? Because it's like the sports car version of like dresses.

Like they seem- You like them or you don't? They're wonderful, but they're elaborate. It's like the sports car version of dresses. They seem- You like them or you don't? They're wonderful, but they're elaborate. Yeah. They don't even honestly seem like dresses. They're not from Nordstrom. No, no, no.

They seem custom made. Has that always been a thing on Selling Sunset? I feel like every season it's become- Yeah, every season I feel like you have to like step it up and step it up. I came on four, so I wasn't on from the very beginning. But like four, like even when I jumped on a four, I remember coming to the office and I wore a couple things.

I remember I wanted to wear jeans one time and they were like, jeans aren't the vibe, it's like sunset. And I was like, what? Like jeans are a vibe, what do you mean? But like I slowly learned that like they just like it's extra You know what I mean? And to be honest with you, I love dressing really crazy and extra and fun So for me, it's like I get to play dress up every day

So like I don't mind it and even like when I'm out and about I've dressed up for years He even in high school and my mom with her mean girl moments Like if it was a holiday, like I was in like a full like stocking outfit I looked like a Christmas present. So I like dressing up. But yeah, where do y'all, are they custom made? Or is it just, yeah. Some stuff, yeah, some stuff's custom,

and then some stuff like. Or do you have just a stylist pulling? No, a lot of the girls, some girls do have stylists. I just kind of like, I do it myself, and I have friends and family that are kind of over, two of my best, my cousin's a stylist, my best friend's a stylist, so we all just kind of like, they're like, run upstairs, let's go get me a fun outfit.

You know? So it's really nice. I surround myself with really, really good people, because obviously we live in LA, so you never know. Hard to find. Yeah, exactly. But yeah, no, I think some pieces are definitely custom

for the girls and then I don't even know. I mean, Chelsea, I think she put a belt as a skirt before like people just get wild with it at this point Oh the skirt. Yeah, I mean it's sometimes it does seem like it's very difficult to walk. Yeah in some of these outfits I have I have you not seen like bloopers I'm like I like fall down the thing me and Chris Schaller walking in yet. No, no, no, and I have wobbly ankles anyways Yeah, I just think of Chelsea how she she, didn't she like announce a separation with her and her husband? Oh no. Are we going to be able to see that unfold on the show at all or is that? Yeah, I think you will be able to see like some of the stuff that happens.

Obviously you'll have to tune in. Do you think it was anything show related? Or, you know, because it's one of those things, every time, you know, reality TV doesn't seem to be a conducive atmosphere for relationships. And especially when you see someone go from not being a public figure, I don't know what Chelsea was doing before, maybe she was in the public,

but obviously being on Selling Sunset is a different level of being in the public. For sure, and I mean, some people can handle it and some people can't. I mean, I don't know all of the ins and outs of the relationship, for sure. But just from an outsider's point of view, do you feel like it was impacted at all

by her time on the show, or maybe he had mixed feelings, or what's your gut say? I mean, I think that when you go from a stay at home mom and with the kids all the time to now, you're this, I mean, Chelsea was always just this gorgeous model of a person, and then now she's really shining,

and she has this platform, and I think for some guys, it's just a lot to handle, to be honest with you. I mean, in any relationship, hers or mine or anyone else's, some guys can't handle it. They say they can and they can't. They wanna be supportive but like it, they can't handle it. So. What's the thing they can't handle the most?

What is the thing they struggle with? I think it's the attention, I think it's like the independence, this like, especially you know we're on a show where it's really, you know as much as like a lot, some of the women argue, but it is an empowering show. And I think that for women, and I mean, I know personally, like the people that come up to me, like some of the,

most of the fans that come up to me are young women that are so inspired and like my personality and wanna go out and really hustle to invest and make money. So I think that you're, you know, you're empowering women, but also to like, for some guys, they don't really want an empowered woman. So it's a lot to handle for some men that aren't okay with it.

How is, I know we were talking about interest rates and you unfortunately told us it's not the best time to buy right now. It's not awful though. But how does that affect selling Sunset? Like, I mean, obviously you're dealing with bajillionaires, but like. They're like interest rates, some interest rates.

Yeah, exactly, don't care. Yeah, yeah, that's why we like the cash buyers for that. Yeah, but does it affect the show? I mean, for sure, it's definitely affecting, it's not gonna affect the show, I don't think by any means, because there's always gonna be real estate, you're gonna get the cash buyers, you're gonna get get but it's affecting the market. So it's affecting Jason You know, the numbers are not where they were, you know a year ago two years ago

But I mean the real estate market like any industry does You know what I mean? And I think that like I said like even we were talking about buying is it the best time to buy? No for most people know but it's also you can kind of come in and steal a property. How do you think there's been a couple properties that I like and you know, I'm like, let's just offer like they've been up for a while now. And I'm like, let's just offer like what we can afford even if it's a couple million lower. I mean, it doesn't hurt. It's what I think. It literally doesn't hurt. You do not know how desperate they are to sell.

And sometimes, like, I have seen people steal houses that way. And I would have paid way more for the house, personally, just as an investment. And these people come in, and they just kind of lowball. And they're like, you know what? It could be like that perfect time where the seller's like, I just want to get out of it. I don't even want to deal with another headache.

I don't want to relaunch. I don't want to lower the price. Let's just do it. Doesn't hurt. I mean, I don't know how much longer. The worst they can say is no. Exactly. Well, the worst they can say, they cannot respond.

That's usually the worst. If they're like super, super offended, they won't respond. And then, I mean, you might get them to counter. Yeah. And then maybe if we find a little extra pocket of cash, we can be like, we were just kidding. Now we want to offer this.

Exactly. I don't know if we can afford the number you're suggesting we offer. Well, I don't know how long we can go. On that particular house, yeah. Oh, what if you need any help? I can help you. We have a, I guess, a builder that we're like obsessed with. All of his houses are so stunning. And I like now stalk his Instagram

and everything he posts. What's his name? I wonder if he's... Lidon. Send it to me though. I'd love to see it. Yeah, he's really, really good. We don't want to put it out there.

No. If he's not special enough, we'll blow up. Yeah, exactly. We'll blow up. Yeah. Take it back, take it back. Anyone rich listening, go buy that fucking house.

Yeah, yeah. Please don yeah, yeah. Take it back, take it back. Anyone rich listening, go buy that fucking house. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Please don't, because I'm wait, I just, I'm, every time I see it back on the market, I'm like, that's right, stay there. Stay there, you stay there. The first time we went to go see the house, we were literally like, Really?

I was like walking around and I went up to him and I was like, I wish you the best, but I also wish you the worst. And I hope that you don't sell this for a long time so that we can afford it at some point in our lives. Well, put it out into the universe. I'm all about manifestation, so. I have, I mean, the universe is like,

babe, you gotta chill the fuck out. I won't shut up about it, but. It just made sense to lay out. It did. Why do they have fridges in every master bedroom? Right, I don't know what's going on with that. What is that? I don't know what that's about.

Like it's like in LA they put like a little like. Mini fridge. Mini fridge. Wine fridge. It's like it's not fucking college. Right? It's like what the fuck do I need a mini fridge for in my bedroom?

Yeah, I don't know what that's about. In case you're taking a bath, you don't have to run downstairs to the kitchen. There's a bottle of wine. Who are the alcoholics? Like the gear fuckers. It's definitely an LA thing, though, for sure. It's definitely some sort of LA thing.

Yeah, I don't... Yeah, maybe people are too lazy to walk down to the kitchen, they just want it right there. Well, this house didn't have one in the bedroom, and I quite like that. But it was astonishing, every fucking house we look at. Yeah, no, they all have it. I don't know what that's about.

It's so fucking stupid. We could do something better with that fridge. I gotta ask. Yeah. Has anyone in your cast reached out or talked to Christine since her shenanigans? I know you guys aren't really probably very close with her, but she's been through a lot. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, to be honest with you, the stuff that we dealt with was years ago, and I never really had a problem with her. So it was one of those things where I wish her the best. I feel for what she's going through, like nothing but the best. I don't speak to her obviously, and I wouldn't really reach out just cause we were-

You just don't really know her. Yeah, it would be very weird I think. Do you know if anyone from the cast who knew her better has reached out? I think Nicole, I think Nicole and Davina, I've seen them together, but I wouldn't know cause I don't talk to them much. You know what I mean? So it's like, I wouldn't know, but again, I mean, I wish obviously her the best,

anyone that's dealing with anything difficult, you know what I don't wish bad things on any. For sure, yeah. But yeah, we're not talking about it. Are they getting divorced? Did she? As they should, I think. I would assume so.

I hope so. She seems like a bad dude. Those tech guys, you never really know. Yeah, you never know what you got in those tech guys. He probably drives a Porsche. They're scary. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, Porsche or a Lambo. If you become rich and cool as an adult, huge red flag. Yep. Yeah. Yeah, because like you're making up for lost time, you know? Yeah, there needs to be some sort of adult class for if you were... How to transition. I'd rather date someone after they get everything out of their system.

Get it out of your system. I don't want to be dealing with anything. I don't want you to have regrets. What's your ideal age? I would say anywhere from late 20s to early 40s, 45. I'm pretty flexible. I think you just have to be mature. You have to be able to handle me. You have to be able to handle yourself and have confidence. And yeah, so I'm open age-wise. I'm an old soul, so I definitely tend to gravitate towards a little bit older, just because I feel like I'm an old grandma.

Do you have any icks or anything? I don't know. I don't know. an old soul, so I definitely tend to gravitate towards like a little bit older, just cause I feel like I'm like an old grandma, but. Do you have any aches that you just can't stand or pet peeves or things that just drive you nuts? Oh, okay, well one thing I hate when guys, like if you're out at a restaurant or you're on a date, how somebody treats the staff, yup.

I don't care how much money you have, I don't care anything about you, I don't care if you've been in the food industry before, how somebody treats staff. Oh, I will never go out with somebody again if they don't treat them right. Yeah, that's pretty typical. Do you have any unique ones or it's like?

Yeah, like any funky ones. Or like, why does that bother you? Like it just does. For example, I... Yeah, I need to... I'm like, for example... She couldn? You're like, it just does. For example, I... I'm like, for example, there's... I'll take an example. I've talked about this on the show before, but Nick and I were driving together in the car

and we went over a speed bump and he kind of lifted out of his chair. Yeah, I've learned that as a man, I'm not allowed to do anything feathery or light or dainty or clumsy You know, he would like trip over like a his shoe and I'm like, oh Okay, so you're like a little clumsy no, but Okay, yeah, okay I will say like with my last relationship with my ex First of all, he was seven feet tall and like he could not even there was a lizard in the house one time He's screaming I have to get it like and didn't know how to like fix things

Yeah, and like my high school sweetheart. He was in construction So he was like a handyman type person and my dad was so handy So like when you're out in LA dating and like everyone's scared of bugs, it's like, what, I have to get the bug? Like I have to get the spider? I mean, I don't mind. I'll do that with my girlfriends,

but like I want a guy to protect me and like be a man. So yeah, an ick is like a, like when you see a mouse or something, you know? Just unlocked a new one for me. Yeah. I can probably say that Not afraid of mice or bugs good. Look at the spiders Yeah, he might float like a butterfly

I don't normally do that, but every once in a while. It's like oops, you know, like it basically if a guy has to say oops It's an X. Yeah Yeah, or a little baby talk like if learned. Yeah, yeah. Or, ooh, baby talk. Like if a guy. Oh yuck, disgusting. Gross. Oh my god. Unless you have a baby. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But if you don't have a baby and you're talking like a baby and like trying to be like lovey-dovey with that, it's like, no, don't do that. Please, don't do that. I'm grown. Yeah, exactly. For any couples or anyone looking to buy a house, what would you say are five things they need to look for or they need to make sure they ask?

Like the secret stuff. Okay, so when you're looking to buy a property, I feel like my biggest thing is never buy the best house in the worst neighborhood. Never. Facts. You do not wanna do that. You always wanna. Now you'll be like, I love this house. I'm like, look in the worst neighborhood. Never. You do not wanna do that. You always wanna. Now I'd be like, I love this house.

I'm like, look at this fucking neighborhood. Yeah, no, neighborhood is really, really important. So you always kind of wanna buy, even if it's the smallest house in the best neighborhood, your property will go up in value 10 times faster. And then also too, I mean, just jump into the market. Like I said earlier, I know interest rates

are crappy right now. I know they're not ideal, but you can refinance. You're not married to that rate. So you can refinance. I always say it's like, you know, you can, you marry your house and then you're just dating your interest rate so you can always, yeah, exactly. It's like a little mistress.

Okay. But yeah, jump in as soon as you can. I think that those are kind of like the most important tips that I would give. Just, you know, neighborhood is key. If you're gonna have kids, school systems, things like that, and then yeah, like I said, just get in as soon as you can.

Because you're never gonna regret real estate. Real estate's a solid investment. Any successful entrepreneur out there has real estate, I can assure you, and it's probably not just one, it's a few, so jump in. Go big or go home. I have three. I'm not saying we need, I'm saying we should,

we should make an offer on these houses that we love. Houses, oh we should make multiple offers on multiple houses. Yes, and then they'll just say no or yes, and then we'll be able to pick and choose what we want. Ah. You can. I mean, I've honestly seen people go in, they've lowballed like three houses, and then like they've actually stolen one of them. So it's like you will offend, you will offend certain people, they won't respond.

I offend people every day. So then you're totally fine with it. Then you're totally fine with it. It's also, it's not serious. This is all just like a standup comedy bit that we're doing here. And that's what I'm gonna say to this. Listen, sir. Jokes and spaghetti. It's just a joke.

I'm just joking with you. I was totally messing with you. This written offer doesn't count. It was just a joke. Just wanted to practice. Five weeks later, LOL. But if you wanna accept it, down. Yeah, exactly. Be my guest. Down, down. You want you want to accept it, down.

Yeah, exactly. Be my guest. Down, down. You want to lowball them by 20%? I don't know how much that would be. Oh, yeah, sorry, math. But, yes. This household doesn't do math. But, I mean, you never know what's going to happen.

If it's been sitting for a while. It's been sitting for a long time. Okay, I see. What's a long time in the real estate market? Yeah, I'm like, you're saying a long time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, actually you tell me. I mean, like is it over 90 days? Is it over a year?

Not over a year. Not over a year, okay. But we're inching up on 90 days for sure. Okay. But they keep like taking it off of Redfin and putting it back on Redfin and being like, it's a new house. And I'm like, I know it's not.

Do they not have it listed with like a proper agent? No, they do. I think they switched agents. I think they switched agents. I think they switched agents too because I don't know if that agent was selling it. And so I just. Well, that's always a red flag. So they probably came on over what it's worth

because everyone thinks that like their property is the rare property that's worth it. It seemed to be priced a bit high. 100%. If I'm being honest. I'm sure it is because it's sitting. If it was priced appropriately, it wouldn't have sat, especially by how you described it. It seems like builders are still pricing houses if it was 2021, where the market's booming.

100%. And now it's like not. Yeah. Well, they're trying to kind of like make up for their losses too. And everyone thinks that their property is so much more amazing than it is. Oh no, when we, I mean, we have gone back to the open house several times to just be like, let's just remember what it looks like. And the builder's always there. And I feel like he's always like, yeah, it's just like not like those typical farmhouses, you know? It's just so different.

So he's super involved. Very involved, yeah. Well, especially too, like when they switch agents, I mean, I don't necessarily love that because a lot of times they try and blame the agent, even though. It was beautifully staged. Yeah, I'm sure it was beautifully staged. I'm sure the agent did a decent job.

I don't know who it was, but sometimes the seller will try and blame the agent, like, oh, you couldn't sell it, so let me try another one. And then they'll also give the second agent a little bit of a price reduction. It's like, well, you probably should have come on even lower than that to begin with.

Yeah, I don't remember if it has come down at all or if it has always been what it is currently. They probably at least negotiated, I don't know what the property's listed at, but at least like 50,000 or something. I thought they went down a half a million. Maybe. They definitely did.

Like probably when they switch agents, like they usually will talk them into doing something. I mean, it's 6.4, and I'm obsessed with it, and obviously we cannot afford a, huh? Yeah, we're like, we can't afford this house, but. No, yeah, no, we absolutely cannot afford it, but it's beautiful, I'm obsessed with it, that's why we just go in the open houses and sit there,

and I just take pictures and be like, me in the morning, and take a picture, and then go back to our little shitty abode. And I say, work harder. I'm sure it's a great abode, but yeah. to our little shitty abode. And I say work harder. I'm sure it's a great abode. It is a great abode. So I'm like, we could just offer him like two? Two. I'm sure he'll take it.

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help Susan? I'm being friendship phased out and I can't decide if I should just get over it or get closer. Okay. Describe the phase out of the friendship. It feels, phase out feels kind of wrong because it feels sudden but also it's been, it was a stark end but it happened like almost a year ago now. And I've tried to give space. So that's where the phase out is, but it was a very sudden end. So it was almost like a ghosting. Tell me about the, when it was a friendship. Yeah, when it was, like tell me about the friendship and how it started, who was it with, was it, were there romantic elements, was it just a platonic friendship, tell me about it.

Platonic friendship, kind of an adult friend I met when I moved cities. Okay. She and I became really like best friends, we were both new in a city and we were pretty close. I think I did like a big move in my late 20s and really made a lot of changes and she was around and like super supportive of all that. One of the first friends who I made who kind of like encouraged me in a grown up way to do different things in my life.

And then we both had a lot of moves. I ended up moving back to where I'm from. She moved to Europe and then back to where we're from. So we both ended up in the same city again. And we were really close here again for a couple of years. And then last year, we both kind of had a rough year individually for various reasons and in the middle of this summer we had one what seemed like normal hangout and coffee but she said at the end that she

wasn't really feeling social and she didn't really want to be connecting socially with people right now. And at the end, I was like, OK, well, no pressure. Interesting thing to say. We both work on our computers. So if you ever just want to like sit and work on our computers as a coffee shop, that's fine. But we don't have to do a lot. And I think it was like a couple of weeks later.

And I sent a text just being like, hey, how are you? What do you have to do a lot and I think it was like a couple weeks later and I sent a text just being like, hey, how are you? What do you have to do for the weekend? And she called right away and she basically was like, you're too much. I can't handle this friendship. I need space. Okay. What did you say? I am a lot of a person. Like I have a lot of energy and I can be loud and very chatty as you've already probably noticed. But I know she was having a hard year, so was I. And I felt like it was really out of left field, like how I was being told I was doing something wrong. There was like, you're not listening to my boundaries. You didn't hear me when I said that I don't want to be social,

all of these things. And I was kind of like, okay, but I felt like I wasn't asking a lot. She seems like a lot. Yeah. I totally understood. And then I gave space months and months of space and I actually reached out in December just to say,

if we could chat again, she sent a response saying, I don't want to not respond to you, but I don't really have this space to have this conversation right now. And I was like, okay, well, thanks for replying. And like, whenever you're ready. And then I didn't hear from her and I still haven't heard from her. What do you what do you not like so she's not your life and it's obviously hard to hear anyone say you're a lot or criticism especially from someone that you consider a friend or a confidant or whatever but like But what do you feel like you're missing from not having this person in your life?

What value were they bringing? I understand the company and it sounds like early on in the friendship, they pushed you in a way that you appreciated and got you out of your comfort zone. And that probably had a lasting impression, but like a stranger could offer you sage advice too. You know, like sometimes we meet people briefly in our lives that can have a profound impact. They don't have to be our best friends, you know.

But, you know, when you look back and reflect on this friendship, like what about it makes you feel like this is a friendship I need to fight for or keep back reaching out? Other than your ego, obviously, being hurt that this person criticized your personality, it made you feel less than and like it would be understandable if if your ego wanted to like get back in this person's life to prove to them that you're no longer a lot. It's a good question. You might be right in that I think maybe I'm kind of fixating on certain friendships. I think I get also stage advice from other people you're right to and one of, I was mentioning kind of this stuff

to my dad who basically just told me like, your 30s, you're gonna lose a lot of people. You're gonna gain a lot of people. People's lives change. I get that. I think this is feeling like a pattern. And this friend of all of the friends surprised me. With friends, plural.

With other people I've been able to address it with this one, I feel like maybe that this was the most surprising. And also like one of the closest friends and I was very, it feels like a bigger loss. Did you open up to her about previous friendships and how you had lost people before? She and I were super close. We knew a lot about everything. I felt like I'd really supported her a lot through some tough stuff, like a big breakup.

And then she had gotten in a new relationship. And I had thought I was getting along with her new guy even She helped me through a breakup too last year. I Can be a little more closed off and she was one of the people who constantly kind of like pushed me to not be closed off in a big way like she would call me out and Be very frustrated with me when I would resist being forthcoming about what I was going through. I was just very surprised that there wasn't going to be

and there hasn't been a forthcoming conversation. With other friendships, we'd kind of talked about how we'd both had friends phase in and out of our life and that that was hard. So it was surprising that she did that with me when she knew what I was going through with other people. Yeah, I mean, listen, like a lot of people out there love to give advice they don't take for themselves, like most. This is kind of reminds me of what we actually talked about yesterday when we were on Reality Recap. I was thinking about this when thinking about Vanderpump. But like, I think when you make friends as an adult,

like when you meet, you know, when you're a kid, you meet in the playground, you know, you're in the friend making phase of your life. You know, you go to high school, you make friends, you go to college, you make friends. But as an adult, I think it's obviously harder to make friends. And I think friendships always start

very transactionally as adults, you know, you guys are meeting a need, you know, it's just like, and that's kind of how they start. And we're kind of what, what your dad said, like very few of those friendships turn into like true, genuine friendships. And it might feel like it's a true friendship, cause even though it starts out very transactionally,

because in most of that, when I mean by transactionally,ally it's just like you guys you're meeting each other's needs you know like oh like I could use a friend here you know that need is oh you're both in this new city and we don't really know a lot of people and then you're prone to like want to bond and you you're vulnerable but that that doesn't necessarily mean while you can share in some genuine moments it doesn't necessarily mean that that their share in some genuine moments. It doesn't necessarily mean that the friendship is actually Genuine and not transactional it usually you don't find out whether that friend is truly a non transactional friend until moments like this where you really need a friend and And they don't get anything out of it other than just being there for you. And often you realize most people aren't, you know?

And I also think too, like it's okay. I think we tend to look at the glass sometimes when we're feeling sad half empty. And I think for this case, we could look at it half full because she did push you to go out of your comfort zone and to be more open. And I think that that could be a blessing for your next relationships and friendships.

And then you take that moving forward. And if it is a relationship that, you know, you're not going to continue and it's not a relationship that, you know, maybe she's dealing with her own things, you learn for your next relationships. And I think that it will just make your next friendship stronger, your next relationships moving forward. So you kind of take a positive spin on it that she came into your life and kind of taught you a lesson to be more open.

And maybe that was the purpose of that friendship. That's great. That was really great advice. Thanks, Emma. I- It's a weird thing to say you're a lot to someone. I get that a lot. And it is one of the single hardest things I hear. I've gotten it since I was a kid.

And it's not untrue, but. Okay, but that's. I see in the screenshot that you sent us, you said, I'm sorry, I made it uncomfortable and ultimately hurt you. Was there something, I mean, you being a lot doesn't- So that was in the phone call. She was saying that I was ignoring, to be honest,

I didn't feel, I was ignoring it. I genuinely guess I missed how much I was supposed to read between the I'm not feeling social right now line, that this was a I don't wanna see you, I don't want you to talk to a, I don't want to see you. I don't want you to talk to me. I don't want you to. Yeah, like is right now like today or yeah.

Yeah, they need to be a better communicator. Yeah. If they really don't want you to talk to them, like don't reach out to me. I guess maybe you are a lot, but like your friend sounds like a lot to me. Maybe you are a lot, but your friend sounds like a lot to me. I keep in touch with friends.

Sometimes I get that. I'll try to make plans and it'll just be like, that's a lot. I guess I'm wondering what the a lot line is in adulthood because a coffee, a a drink and I don't usually I mean like what are these plans that you're making like I'm reaching out every day like every month I'll be like oh we should do a thing I was just gonna say I think we can all agree that this is an absolute her problem and not a problem like there's nothing wrong with you you're not a you problem. Yeah, I was literally gonna say the exact same thing. Like there's nothing wrong with you. You're not a lot.

You're a good friend. Like this is a very measured message that you sent. It's very thoughtful. Yeah, you're like, I'm leaving this here whenever you have time to respond. Like I don't even need a response. Like I just wanna let you know I'm thinking of you and like would love to be a friend.

And I think like you, you know, her saying I don't wanna be social right now, she didn't specify like for the next year, she was like I don't wanna be social right now, maybe that's today, maybe that's for the next hour, you know, you had no idea. So I don't think you can beat yourself up and make it feel like you're a lot

and you were a bad friend when in reality I think you did everything you could to be the best friend that you know how to be. And maybe I think something's going On in her life. Yeah, I wonder if the pattern isn't you being a lot, but it's your friendship picker Yeah, and I wonder I wonder if you are making friends with the adult like version of like the fuck boys that you could be Dating we're like you're maybe making friends. And listen, it's easier to make friends with people who like have like voids in their life

that are looking for other people to fill it. And again, that transactional need because you're like you probably are filling a need and you're being a friend, but these aren't people who are genuinely looking for friendships. They're looking for people who can help them out. And when you're done helping them out,

they no longer need you anymore. And so maybe you're making friends with people with people who are using you, you know? And you're not seeing that with the friends that, and sometimes, listen, making friends as an adult, it's like trial and error. Sometimes you, like dating, you sometimes have to go out with the fuck boy to find out they're a fuck boy, you know?

But like, just like dating and meeting fuck boys, you have to read their signals and the red flags and the signs of like, is this person really my friend? Or am I feeling a need? Because no, it's just like, I'm just not getting that you're a lot. I mean, we don't really know you, but just this message's just like, I'm just not getting that you're a lot. I mean, we just, we don't really know you, but just this message alone is like, someone a lot,

to me a lot is someone who isn't self-aware, who demonstrates a little bit of delusion, because like, that's to me, it's a hard time being friends with people when they can't see their own bullshit, you know? Where it's just like, God, I feel like I could explain to this person why they, you know? But like, you're almost overly self-aware, you know, where it's just like, God, I feel like I could explain to this person why, you know, but like, you're almost overly self-aware,

you know, to the point where I think people who know that about you take that, they can manipulate you, you know, especially if you're someone who's always wants to be self-aware and you're open to feedback and you're open to criticism, those people can take advantage of someone like you and making you feel like you're the problem

when at the end of the day, they just don't have space in their life for you. I feel because it's a pattern that I'm trying to figure out how to navigate, how to deal with a situation where I understand there are friends who phase out at this phase of life where like you leave where they are and people are busy. But I also don't know that people just all leave

their friends or something. And I'm feeling like this is kind of a thing where any like suggestion of friendship for me. And I think my, I can run into the issue of like not being as Open as I should be with where I'm at in life in order to keep things light when I see my friends So maybe I'm not actually showing up I don't know so it was her birthday last week and I like broke the cardinal rule You know, I texted happy birthday So it was her birthday last week and I like broke the cardinal rule.

You know, I texted happy birthday because it was before I heard back from you guys. So it was like this funny thing. I was like, oh, shit, I like literally broke the rule. Does it count in friendship? I don't know. And I got a like like a heart. It got hearted. Oh, got hearted. I'm really hurt by What's happened with that friend and I wonder if like having a closure conversation is fair

Because I think that was the question It's like with friendships that are really that feel like big friendships if they're gonna end because they have to fine III every friend, you know? I strongly advise against the closer conversation that you want. Well, no, every situation is different, but especially with this. Like someone you haven't really talked to much in a year,

it's just like, you know, there's like a line in my book where it's like, why are you gonna insist on having another conversation with this person so they can explain again why they don't want you in their life? That's not closure, that's just torturing yourself. It's not healthy for you either. You're gonna make this person try to literally come up

with new ideas as to why. And again, I don't think you're the problem. I think your only problem is maybe just having a hard time accepting that this person, while they were your friend and there was a match, just really isn't someone maybe you should be friends with and you're just having a hard time letting go of it. And that's probably something that you could work on

because you're doing the thing that a lot of people do in relationships where you're just ruminating over and over and you're just trying to come, and I've been this person, I'm like, this is who I am, I have to work on not doing it, but when I can't solve a problem, especially if I didn't cause the problem, I will literally make up a problem so I can solve it.

And I think you're making up problems with yourself and things that you could have done better. You're apologizing for things that you don't even understand. I'm sorry for hurting you. And we are now realizing that sorry for hurting you is you literally texting her two weeks later for coffee. That like, that's, you're just like coming up with shit.

You know, and like, if you're that person, like I was that person who will ruminate and have a hard time accepting things ending, you will drive yourself nuts. And you will literally just come up with problems so that you can solve them. And that's kind of crazy. Yeah, I think while it's nice that you can recognize

things about yourself, that maybe you, patterns you did in this friendship or what something you need to work on I again don't think it's you I had a friendship with someone where randomly one day they just stopped responding to me and it was like out of nowhere and it was like me just like sending a DM no response he being like this is what they would look at every story they would they would they'd let me know that they acknowledged it, but they would not respond.

And so I talked to my therapist about it, and I'm doing the same thing. I'm like, I don't know what I did, like I should call, I should figure it out. And my therapist was like, I think call, but if they don't answer, you leave it at that. They didn't answer. And I came to the conclusion that you know what, there's something going on in their

life because I have not done anything to this person. There's no reason that they would be mad at me. I haven't done anything just like you. You have not done anything to this friend. Absolutely nothing. So I think you can sleep at night knowing like, listen, there's something going on in their life. And while I wish I could be there to help them through it They don't want me this person doesn't want to be my friend and it's it's really hard to grasp

But I think knowing that it's not a you problem. It is something going on in their life Should make it a little bit easier Yeah and I do think letting go to is is Honestly, like that could be the best thing for you. And if they want to come back and she wants to come back a year from now and maybe explain things, but you're not expecting anything, it's going to be a weight lifted off your shoulders.

Yeah, I think I'm I was thinking about it after the birthday text and I did feel almost like I felt like this felt a little bit hard because I was thinking that too with this one. This obviously I don't want to make this like a bigger thing in this moment because it's not really the situation for it. But I do think that this was representative of a few different ones. And similar things like Natalie, I've also had more than one situation like that one that you're talking about with other people.

And I have other friends right now for various reasons, having given me like excuses as to or I don't want to say excuses, but like purely statements of like, I'm not going to be your friend right now because like one of them is like an really long long male friend who we've been friends since high school various like one of them was what was the because i had a really hard year like had a bunch of stuff happen and they were like you're too sad right now and then i said that's not a friend you know what i'm saying like that's not a friend. You know what I'm saying? Like that's not a frown and then the other one's girlfriend doesn't like me Okay again another Superficial yeah, and I have another friend who has a baby and I'm kind of glad Natalie's here

Because I don't know if you've had any experience with this or Emma. I don't know if you have kids or no I'm not yet, but friends with kids probably. But like her and I were really, really close and since she's had a baby, it's been that very like stereotypical one friend with a baby, one friend without a baby and how to navigate that. So it's been this series of friendships. I think this was a representative one and I'm just having trouble figuring out how to navigate any of the ones when there if I have any legs to stand on when it comes to people saying I'm not gonna be your friend and this one was like this seems like the

least of a me thing and maybe we can get over it and now it I kind of go back to I think the only pattern here is your friend picker. And I think if you're guilty of anything, I think you might be investing too much in people too soon who aren't ready for the type of friendship that you're desiring with people. Because it's really sad to me that you feel like you're a lot

because various people aren't capable of being your friend. And you shouldn't have friends in your life to make you feel less than yourself. Again, it's very reminiscent of the person who's going out and chasing the fuckboys and going after unavailable people or you're going after romantically people who, just because at the end of the day you might say a lot of things while the person that they're funny,

but you just think they're hot. And they make you feel good because you're dating this hot person, but at the end of the day, they minimize you and they talk down to you and they make you feel bad about yourself. But you get addicted to that criticism and then your ego kind of like wants that validation so you're trying to prove yourself to them

and I think you're in this pattern of making friends with these people who truly aren't your friends. They might be friendly, you might have moments of friendships and I think that's a very tough aspect of adult life. I mean, now I will have a lot of conversations with various people where I'm just like,

this person's not your friend. Look at what they're doing and what they're saying. And again, it's tough to make friends as adults because again, they all start out as transactions. We don't want to admit that or acknowledge that because that sounds superficial, but that's kind of how they start because it's like, why don't we,

we're not used to letting as adults, strangers into our life and we need a reason to do that. So it's like, why don't, why do we, we're not used to letting as adults strangers into our life and we need a reason to do that. So it's like, well, why do I do that? And at first, usually it's just like this common need of like, yeah, I'm, again, like I'm new to this city or whatever, but needs change, especially if you're friends with a male who like,

you know, eventually he's gonna date someone that their girlfriend is just not gonna like you. And it's not about you, it's just like, I don't want you to be that close with someone who a woman is just not gonna like you. And it's not about you, it's just like, I don't want you to be that close with a woman who's not me. And then when that happens to you. That friend and I have been friends since high school and it's a rotating door of like,

what's going on and then we're not. But I'm saying, but like you are adding this person to the list of friends that isn't accepting you. And now you are going through this exercising your head, feeling not enough, like there's something wrong with me, why am I too much for people? I don't know, maybe you are a lot. I don't know what the fuck that means,

but like find people who like that about you. And that's the hard part about making friends as an adult. You're gonna, just like relationships, you're gonna have way more breakups. Like yeah, romantically you're only looking for one, but even when it comes to friends, the older you get, the more you realize that it's not about many.

It's not about having your group of girls or guys to go out with, it's about having a one or two ride or dies. And that's- I could not agree with that more. And I think you just have to accept that a little bit more and stop trying to chase these friendships

that really aren't friendships. Yeah, that makes sense. It's funny, the dating thing, I'm kind of the opposite. I'm more the distant dater. Like, I don't ask. Like, I push, I'm more of like, stay at arm's length than maybe with friendships. But either way, yeah.

I mean, I don't, maybe there's a reason for that or whatever, but the point is, is like, you're, there's something about making friends or having friends that I think you are, it's your approach, if there's a pattern, it's your approach and what you are trying to get out of these friendships. And I think you're giving these people

who really deeply aren't your friends, the title of friends that they don't, and they don't deserve it. And then when they kind of, like Nally's example, you know, like she just decided to accept it. Like maybe this person wasn't really my friend. You know, we met, we had some good times, we hung out. Yeah, there was a lot of like,

oh my God, we're gonna be best friends. And then the person changed the script and had Natalie not accepted that maybe this person wasn't my friend, then yeah, it would emotionally beat herself up to be like, oh my God, why is my friend doing this to me? And it's like, well, they're not your friend. Exactly. They're just someone who decided that you served a purpose

and then you stopped serving that purpose and it yeah It feels icky and it feels like a breakup, but like you have you have to stop beating yourself up It's like you're you're not the problem and your only problem is not seeing that Advice helps yeah, I Feel like it has to. I think it will. I think it does completely. Just being able to talk it through and not want to revisit it, I guess.

I think the idea of just letting them go is, like you said, Nick, like a hard one for me. I think seeing people phase out is a weird thing for me and I have a hard time with it. So maybe- It's extremely hard. I just like put a bunch of things in a box and a bow and send it away for in my mind for a while. I think Emma made a really good point. I think you gotta change your POV

and how you appreciate these interactions. Like this friend, you know, she added value to your life. I have exes who introduced me to things that I, you know, recipes or like, or just like they taught me things that like I'm glad I'm not with them in a relationship, but I was like, hey, I learned this thing from this partner. And sometimes it was things I had to learn like, I'm glad I'm not with them in a relationship, but I was like, hey, I learned this thing from this partner. And sometimes it was things I had to learn that I didn't want in a relationship.

Either way, I'm grateful they're not in my life, but also grateful they were in my life at some point, because they did have an impact. And I think you have to start appreciating the things that people bring into your life without obsessing over collecting them so that they have meaning, you know? And people can come and go in your life and they can still have a positive impact long term, even if the short term impact had, you know, involved some pain and some

sadness and required closure. And I think it's just really about your perspective of the situation closure and I think it's just really about your perspective of the situation that you have to adjust. Yeah I think I actually frame exes better that way and I have been able to see my exes with what they've given me and kind of been happy about all of those relationships and I think it's been friendship shouldn't be the same like I'm not playing by the same. Yeah, I think that's oh, I'm not you gotta change that I Can do that? Maybe that's your capable because I mean that's the thing like a lot of adult friendships are more similar to your romantic Interactions than the not yeah, I think also realizing that like, the one who said you're too sad, like that's not a friend.

That person had you in, talking about transactional friendships, at one point they had you in their life so they could feel better about themselves. And then you stopped doing that because maybe you were going through something and they're like, well, I don't have the patience to be your friend.

Exactly, I'm not gonna be there for you, I'm not gonna be there for you. I'm not gonna be there for you. I had you in my life to bring me up, you know, and you're not bringing me up. So like, what the fuck? Again, that's transactional. And that's not a friend. So you have to stop calling people

who aren't your friend friends. And then the one who just had a baby, I think that's less about you and more about their lives have changed. And it's just, it's a lot when you have a kid and it's harder to connect with the people who don't because it is so much about you and your body and your mind and your life has changed

and you're not the person that you were before you had that baby. So I think it is harder to just have that like same connection that you had before. So this isn't something you did wrong. This is just life. Yeah, also if you're the type of friend who really wants to be that genuine friend or genu-

Genuine. Genuine. No, not genuine, generous, thank you. Oh, generous. The generous friend. So then you meet these friends, you're like, let me give, let genuine, generous, thank you. The generous friend. So then you meet these friends, you're like, let me give, let me do this, let me be there for you, yada yada, and everyone's like, this is great,

give me more of this, you know? But then eventually they stop appreciating it, right? And then you're just like, well wait, you know what I'm saying? So I think, again, there's some things I think you can work on, there's some patterns here. I don't think the pattern is you're a lot. I think the pattern is you need to like just,

I think, reevaluate your re-prioritize how you pick friends and stop giving. Yeah, go ahead. I think I think I am. I think maybe I should start dating again because there you go. I did a lot of like pushing away dating because I was like, I don't know what I want right now. And then I was relying on my like friendship to be close people because I didn't wanna let a guy in again.

Yeah. Cause I wasn't really, cause I felt like. Well, there you go. So then some of these friendships, you were like dating. I'm wondering right now, the way like the way I had swapped the role of people maybe in my mind was like, I was constantly not letting dating happen because I was like, they're too much, they're too much,

they're always too much, they want too much from me. And I think in the way Emma said, the people having that role and I was like, I do that, but only with guys. And I haven't been able to do that with friends. And maybe I should just date. Yeah, maybe. And also remember dating is like, you don't have to know exactly what you want. Part of dating is figuring out what you want.

Yeah, exactly. You know, it's like, so yeah, try that. Mix it up. I'm not thinking they're all too needy. Most of them probably are. Yeah, exactly. Funny. All right, well hopefully this was awful. Okay, thank you.

Very needy, actually. I do think you should have a closure moment with this friendship, but it should involve only you. And so whatever kind of ceremony, write a letter, whatever it is, you say goodbye. You don't have to reach out to this person to do it. But I think the closure moment you need to have is accepting that this friendship's over.

And you just say goodbye to it, whatever you need to do. It can be an internal closure. Well, that's all real closure is. But you do not need to reach out to this person so they can remind you and have them make up things that make you feel worse about yourself. That's torture. And we often confuse closure and torture

when it comes to relationships. And you're asking, should I torture myself? And you can give yourself closure. You don't need her. All right? All right. Well, keep us posted how things are going. Maybe after you get back in the dating world,

we'd love an update. You can do it. We'd love to hear some stories. It'll be great. We believe in you guys in the next video. We'll see you guys in the next video. We'll see you guys in the next video. We'll see you guys in the next video. We'll see you guys in the next video. We'll see you guys in the next video. We'll see you guys in the next video. We'll see you guys in the next video. We'll see you guys in the next video. We'll see you guys in the next video.

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Yeah, of course. And then to be honest with you, it's kind of like what she said. Like when they end, you just kind of like let them end and I let them end. I'd rather not have a blow up with my friends and then I do feel like, you know, people come back into each other's lives.

And I honestly have had some of the best friendships take a little bit of a break and then come back. And now they're literally some of my closest friends. And each of us just needed to grow in different ways. Yeah, yeah. I kind of have a question for you about the workspace and the friendships, because you're on a show with a bunch of beautiful, powerful women.

And your job field is very competitive. So I'm like, how do you kind of weed out authenticity while making new friends as an adult? Yeah, so that's actually an interesting one and a tough one. So like throughout most of my life, like I feel like I hated women that were like, felt like everything was a competition. And that's just not me. Like I am the type of person, like I am my friend's biggest cheerleaders. I've always been that way.

And especially now, I love that I work with other boss females andleaders. I've always been that way, and especially now. I love that I work with other boss females, and I love, I mean, I'm part of these female CEO groups, and it's so empowering to be around them. So I'm so proud of all my friends when they succeed, and my biggest thing is when I see someone doing really well, or if I see someone struggling, I'm the type of person, like,

let's come up with a business plan for you. I will go above and beyond to get my friends to the next level. So I think when you put that out into the universe, you kind of just figure out who deserves to be in your life and who doesn't. So like people that wanna support me and be happy for me, they are definitely gonna be in my life for a long time.

And then the ones that I feel like don't want me to succeed, which has happened so many times in my life, they will gradually, you know, go down the river. Fall by the wayside. Exactly. Yeah. That's my little bit of advice. Yeah. I mean, I think making friends as adults is a topic that is not often talked about,

but like a lot of people struggle with. 100%. And it's very easy to let those interactions really affect your self-worth. It fucks with you. No, it really does. To have someone that you thought you were building a relationship with ghost you

or just disappearing your life and not know what to say and then they say something that's just like, you're too much, what the fuck? 100%. I mean, I've had the worst relationships, like in the past, where friends have, you know, said the worst things about me.

They have stolen from me. They want me to not succeed and stuff like that. But then, I meet people later in life, such as Krishel and Chelsea, and literally they want nothing but the most amazing things. When I'm killing it, when I'm closing deals, when I'm starting a new business,

they are right by my side and so, so happy for my success, and it's genuine, then like those, that's what- Because all they need from you is your friendship. Exactly. They don't need anything else. That's huge. They're doing just fine. Exactly.

And a lot of people, again, transactional, it's like they're not where they wanna be. And if you're an adult and you make friends with someone who talks a lot not where they wanna be. And if you're an adult and you make friends with someone who talks a lot about where they wanna be and not satisfied with where they're at, you're at risk of that person not really being your friend. 100%. I say in relationships and friendships,

when you don't need anything from them, is the best, when you just want to be with them. You just want, whether it's a relationship or you just want them in your life, it's the best type of friendship that you can have, the best when you just want to be with them. You just want, whether it's a relationship or you just want them in your life. It's the best type of friendship that you can have, the best type of relationship, when you just want and you don't need. Emma, this has been fun.

This has been fun. Yeah, thanks for coming. Thank you, thank you guys for having me. Can you let my audience know where they can find you, follow you, promote whatever it is you want to promote? Yes, you can find me on my Instagram, Emma Hernan, and you can buy some empanadas from Emily and Co. And I will be adding some meat ones

and launching a new company very, very soon. So gonna put some meat in my empanadas. I love empanadas. And we love meat. Exactly. I like the catchphrase. Right? You caught that.

I did. Well, thank you for coming. It's been a ton of fun. And thank the catchphrase. Right? You caught that. I did. Well, thank you for coming. It's been a ton of fun and thank you guys for listening. Hope you guys enjoyed this episode. We certainly enjoyed bringing it to you. Don't forget to send in those questions at asknick at thevilefiles.com and we'll see you back on Monday. Bye. You