The Viall Files - E759 GD w Kristen Doute & Brianna Lapaglia - Valley Finale, Cast Separations, Tour Life & Car Accidents

Episode Date: June 6, 2024

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Going Deeper Edition!  To start things out, we invite Brianna Lapaglia into the studio… How’s tour life with her boyfriend, Zack Bryan. How did she stumble into the podcasting world, choose her stage name, and navigate meeting other celebrities. Brianna answers it all! Then, we bring in Kristen Doute, formerly of Vanderpump Rules, and now of Bravo’s The Valley. She’s back on TV, the finale just aired, and new tea has occurred off camera. What’s her real thoughts on her castmates: Zack, Janet, and Michelle. And how is Luke adapting to being on Reality TV in Los Angeles?  And don’t forget, we have a Texting Office Hours caller who wants to encourage her boyfriend to have kids. “Janet is, she’s a confusing little bird.”  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Helix Sleep - Helix is offering up to 20% off all mattress orders AND two free pillows for our listeners! Go to https://www.HelixSleep.com/Viall  Apostrophe - We have a special deal for our audience: Get your first visit for only $5 at https://www.Apostrophe.com/VIALL when you use our code: VIALL. Huggies - Learn more at https://www.Huggies.com  Bilt- Earn points by paying rent right now when you go to https://www.joinbilt.com/viall  SKIMS - Shop the SKIMS T-Shirt Shop at https://www.SKIMS.com. After you place your order, select "podcast" in the survey and select our show in the dropdown menu, to let them know we sent you. Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @kristendoute @briannalapaglia @dereklanerussell @leahgsilberstein @justinkaphillips  Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 02:37 - Nicknames 07:21 - Serial 10:00 - The Boyfriend 23:46 - What’s Next 28:06 - Car Wreck 31:38 - Lyrics 35:02 - Pop Topics 40:57 - How You Met 44:27 - More Pop 54:23 - Welcome Kristen 57:50 - Serious Subject 01:00:15 - Luke 01:04:28 - Tom 01:05:25 - Jax 01:29:42 - Check In 01:38:36 - Michelle and Jesse 01:48:56 - Season Two 01:50:42 - LaLa 01:56:42 - VPR Reunion 02:03:40 - TOH 02:16:30 - Post Call Talk 02:19:46 - Luke and Tom 02:24:19 - Scheana 02:28:48 - Michelle’s Future 02:31:15 - Jax’s Bar 02:33:16 - Outro  

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Go to helixsleep.com slash V-I-A-L-L. That is helixsleep.com slash V-I-A-L-L with Helix. Better sleep starts now. What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Going Deeper edition. I am your host Nick, joined by the household and we got a special honorary household member for this episode. The one and only Brianna Chickenfry is with us. Yay! Round of applause.

Oh wow, that was sweet. Was it? Yeah. A round of applause. You're like an internet icon. Oh gosh, I don't think so, but thank you. You definitely are. Thanks guys.

How are you? I'm good. I'm a little tired. I kind of had a rough morning. I almost had to cancel this and I'm really glad that I didn't have to cancel this. Cause I would have felt like an asshole. I just had like a family of stuff going on.

We would have had you forever. Well, no, and I would let you because people that cancel the day off are the worst people on fucking planet earth. And I didn't want to be that person. So I'm here. Well, thanks for being here. Yeah, no, I love you guys.

You guys are the best. I'm excited to be here. Well, we love you back. We have a great episode for you all. The one and only Kristen Doty is with us later this episode, obviously, to talk about all things The Valley. And well a great episode for you all. The one and only Kristen Doty is with us later this episode, obviously, to talk about all things the Valley and well, it's Kristen Doty. So she always delivers as you might expect.

So we're excited to bring you that as well. But before we do, obviously, we have Brianna here. Is it Brianna chicken fry? Are we like, I know, like, are we dropping chicken? Because your team introduced you like it's I'm never going to be able to drop it. But I want, I just like want to be Brianna. Do you? Yeah, chicken fries such, it's so bad.

It was like your Twitter Vine. It was an accident. It was an accident. I read online that something about Burger King and your leg looked like a Burger King chicken. Well, I don't even really remember what it stemmed from. But I was trying to, I was still in school. And I wanted to go to med school. So I was like, I can't be really remember what it stemmed from, but I was trying to, I was still in school

and I wanted to go to med school. So I was like, I can't be posting with my last name because they're going to find me. And then I just did the randomest shit because I didn't think anyone was going to follow me. And then I became chicken fry. The people yell on the street, chicken fry. So your master plan was like,

no one's going to figure out who I am if I go to med school. I was like, well, I was like, this is like my fence though. I didn't think people were going to see my videos. I thought it was just going to be my friends. And then they started blowing up. And I love like, well, I was like, this is like my Finsta. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't think people were gonna see my videos, I thought it was just gonna be my friends, and then they started blowing up. And I love, like chicken fries, hilarious, it's funny, but I don't, people think it's my actual last name.

I was that person. Yeah, I know. Really? Yeah, which is fair, it's fair. I was like, that's an iconic last name, like biological last name. He said it this morning, and we were like, Justin, that's not her actual last name.

I thought it was iconic. No, thank you. It still is. Thank you. No, I love it. As someone who's always wanted a nickname, I'm very, I don't think you should drop it. I'm sorry for calling you stupid. I thought it was iconic. No, thank you. It still is. Thank you. I love it. Someone who's always wanted a nickname, I'm very, I don't think you should drop it.

Okay, I know, I know. I just like, I hate that people think it's my real last name is the thing. Yeah, it's annoying. Well, your last name could be Vile. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, but it works, that's sick. Her last name could now be Vile.

Yeah, you had to switch to it. Was that ever a thought or was just like? Honestly, I think what was more of a thought was Nick's mother's maiden name is Parker. Ooh, that's cool. And like Nick Parker, Natalie Parker, I was like, that would be sick. Parker's so cool, just from Spider-Man.

I love my life, I wanna be clear. I feel like, I honestly feel like I'm on a heater lately. Like life's been good, you know? But I do feel like if my name was Nick Parker, my life would be drastically different. It's an iconic name. It sounds like a stage name. Yeah, I would always be like, hi, I'm Nick Parker.

It wouldn't be like, hi, I'm Nick. And now I'm like, hi, I'm Nick. No one can really pronounce it. It's like vile, vile, or is it vile? You know, so it's like, yeah. But I do think my name would be different, yeah. Yeah, life would be different. To answer your question, I'm like, yeah. But I do think my name would be different. Yeah, you're a perker. Life would be different. To answer your question, I'm definitely,

I don't give a shit about stuff like that, per se. Well, like Nellie doesn't use her last name. She goes by Nellie Joy. And like, I actually, I mean, did you change your last name officially? No, that's like a whole thing. I've gotta like go to social security office. Yeah, it's a whole thing, right?

Can't I just change it on Instagram and it be like the same thing? Right? Well, that's the thing. I think? It's like, can't I just change it on Instagram and it be like the same thing? Right? Well, that's the thing. I think publicly, I think you keep as is. Natalie Joy is iconic. Yeah, Natalie Joy, just keep it like that. And then on paper, it can be vile.

To answer your question, I am not offended by her not. I'm Natalie Vile, you know? I don't care. And what I take, I mean, there's an argument to be made that she has a cooler name. So like aesthetically pleasing. I've been tired of explaining my last name to people. So I think my mental health would improve.

If you just took yours. Yeah, okay. Do you care about that? Like, what is your last name? My last name is, it's La Paglia, but everyone says La Paglia. It's like American eyes. I love my last name. I think it's really pretty's La Paglia, but everyone says La Paglia, it's like American eyes. I love my last name, I think it's really pretty, La Paglia.

So that's why I'm like, if I have to give it up one day, it's just kind of sad you have to let your identity go, like you're that person for so long, and then all of a sudden, it's dead. It's just kind of, it's a tradition of course, but I don't know, it's a little, I'm gonna miss my name. What's your middle name? Rose.

That's our daughter's middle name. Really? We named her after you. Oh my little, I'm gonna miss my name. What's your middle name? Rose. That's our daughter's middle name. Really? We named her after you. Oh my gosh, I knew it, thank you. We're Rose, we're like, oh, Brianna Chicken Fry, but what's her middle name? You should've named her Chicken Fry, the daughter, just Chicken Fry.

Oh fuck. Have you ever met anyone who's gotten a Chicken Fry tattoo because of you? Yeah. You have. I have a few. They get like the actual Burger King Chicken Fries and then they'll like poke one out

with like little hearts on it. How insane is that for you? It's crazy. There's been multiple, I used to do these things, like college tours where we would go around to different colleges and throw parties and people would have me write things on them.

They would leave, get them tattooed at a shitty college tattoo parlor and then come back and show me the tattoos. I'm like, why did you do that? I just realized, I'm just not as famous as I wanna be. No one's ever done that of me. I think it also has to do with the drinking

and everyone's like, this is a good idea. And they always look good, but it is crazy for me to write something on someone and then get it tattooed. I feel like it would be fun to do with your partner. That would be fun. But for a stranger, it seems scary. Yeah, like what if I ended up being

like a serial killer one day? Literally. And they just have me tattooed on you. That might be cooler. Yeah, true. That's true, before. Honestly, more people would get a tattoo of you. That's true.

If you are a serial, people have a love, a weird love affair with a serial killer. I know. Do you plan on being one anytime soon? I don't, it's not really in the books right now, but you never know if like life goes downhill. How many women's, there's only, there's been a couple, like monster, the movie Monster, she was a serial killer.

I feel like the woman serial killer, like they usually kill people. They seem to have a good reason. That's not bad. But I'm like, I feel like they kill bad people, you know what I mean? Yeah, because we have souls and hearts in care Yeah, we're not just out here murdering people

Not murdering to murder Is there a woman serial killer who's eaten anyone? No There was that one lady who like she killed her husband and made the stew Oh my god and cut his toe Well that too Well there's a Elena Bobbitt that's old school She's the one that cut off the Yeah Well, that too. That's wild. Well, there's a, Elena Bobbitt, that's old school.

She's the one that cut off the... She cut off the... Yeah. Yeah. Love her for that. Yeah, there was one recently. Also, yeah, I'm pretty sure she was just, it seems like she was a bit of a victim. Yeah.

Right? I feel like there was one recently where she chopped his head off and it was like in a bucket in her parents' basement. And her parents like came down. This was like a recent thing. A recent? Bucket head. Yes. Bucket head in the head, in the parents' basement.

They were like dating, and she lived like in her parents' basement, and there were like definitely some drug users, and she cut off his head, put it in a bucket. You're gonna pull it up, and you're gonna find it. In Wisconsin? And then did her parents found it? Was it Wisconsin?

Yes, it was Wisconsin. Wisconsin has a hand, like, and then her parents found it. Wisconsin has a serial killer problem. Well, they're bored. They're cold and bored. Yeah, they're just bored. Jeffrey Dahmer, Wisconsin.

Ted Ginn, Wisconsin. Wait, Jeffrey Dahmer was Ohio, I thought. No, Wisconsin. He was a, he, his first murder was in Ohio. Don't take this from him. Okay. Yeah, no, this is ours. Wisconsin, don't take this from me.

He's very proud. I stayed in the hotel that Jeffrey Dahmer murdered some people in. The Ambassador Hotel in Milwaukee was gone. Wait, because you were into it, the scary part? No, it was a few years after it happened, and the Ambassador Hotel did a refresh. And it was like a-

An influencer collab? It was like, this is before. Okay there. And we just knew that this had happened. It was still a working live hotel that had a lot of history, including Jeff. It's so true, the hotel, it wasn't their fault that he murdered people there. I'm surprised they wouldn't close after that. I know.

Maybe it's someone's family business. This is business, I don't know. Actually, it's probably because of the pandemic. I mean, it's like, I don't know. I mean, it's like, I don't know. I mean, it's like, I don't know. I mean, it's like, I don't know. I mean, it's like, I don't know. I mean, it's like, I don't know. I mean, it's like, I don't know. I mean, it's like, I don't know. I mean, it's like, I don't know. I mean, it's like it wasn't their fault that he murdered people there. I'm surprised they wouldn't like close after that.

I know. Maybe it's someone's like family business. This is business. I don't know. Actually it's probably becomes a literal tourist attraction. Honestly true. Yeah, people probably make YouTube videos there all the time. Scary.

That's like Sea Soul Hotel downtown, LA. Scary. Scary, spooky. So you're in LA right now, traveling with the boyfriend? Traveling with the boyfriend. So you're on tour right now, traveling with the boyfriend? Traveling with the boyfriend. So you're on tour. On the road again.

Yeah, I'm on tour with her. What's that like? I think people have a vision of the tour life as this crazy, awesome, glamorous thing, but it's really just, he's work, work, work. It's very boring. And it's like a lonely thing for him. That's why I'm on it with him because he's just in,

like picture you play in an arena. You have to be there at two o'clock. You go into the arena. There's no windows. You go into the basements, concrete walls. You're around the same people that you're around every single day. You have to practice. You have to do sound check. It's like the same thing over and over. And he's just, he's a very type of guy that keeps to himself.

So he needs like that one person, which is me. And I feel bad if I leave. So I don't want to like leave him in the dust. And I think it's really like a testament to our relationship, me being on tour with him and trying to, you know, help him through it. Cause it's, he works so hard and he does, I feel like he doesn't get enough credit for it.

Yeah. That's good to hear. I think with rock stars, you always assume it's like this thing they do, like this. There's no rock and roll. Like they're just playing and whatever. And also like, yeah, like I'm glad, thanks for sharing that, like the tour life.

That's why I ask, cause I don't know what it's like. I think, you know, you watch these like TV shows from the eighties, like the hair band era, and it's always like sex, rock, rock and roll and all this like crazy shit I'm sure there are bands like that, but his band is a group of like the most amazing incredible guys They're all pretty much married with children. So they do their shit. They play their show They play the hell out of it then they go to bed. There's no party

Like my friends, yeah, my friends come in there like what are we doing after? It's getting crazy. Like, nope, game of pool. Probably go to bed. I know you don't know this, but like I like country music because of Zach. Truly? Truly. Like I've never been a country music fan in general. I just wasn't.

Started dating Natalie. She tried to get me into it. Definitely some good songs, but like she played Zack. Zack, I think, is more like, to me, people that we were going to a concert, we went to his concert, and people, I was actually talking to Josh Peck about Zack,

because he was in a country music star, and I was trying to describe it, compare it. I'm like, it's more of a modern day Johnny Cash, where it has a rock and roll element to, and it's great storytelling, and yeah, I love his music. That's the difference I feel about his music, is like the lyrics, they are stories, it's storytelling. It's not like country and beer and fishery and beer.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which those are fun. They're fine. But that's not everyone's cup of tea, and I think Zach isn't truly just a country artist. I think he's just like kind of all over the board. Maybe like indie folk, he does everything. So I think when people find his music,

they think they're country fans, but it's kind of like you're like a teary. You're saying I'm not quite there yet. You're not there yet. But like it's in its own realm. She did take the stagecoach later, but it was like, it was my gateway drug to country music. But I agree with you.

I think calling him just country is probably selling him for sure. But country's so fun. Music, like the vibes around it, all the people, everyone's so nice and happy. I love the country world. It's been cool to be immersed in. I also did propose to Natalie during-

Something in the orange. Something in the orange. Did you? And then he didn't play it on Sunday, which is kind of a bummer. I know, fuck, sorry. Yeah, he doesn't really play it anymore. But we went last year,

when he played last year here at Crypto, we went and he played it then and it was obviously, that was like right after we had gotten engaged, a couple of months after we got engaged. Oh, so even better. Yeah, it was very special. But, I mean, yeah, Zach is, he's got a big, Nick has a tattoo of a lyric.

Wait, which one? So I just show her and see if she can identify the lyrics. Oh no, I'm so mad at this, I'm so mad at this, okay. Oh, find someone that grows flowers in the darkest part of you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that, that's a cool tattoo. Yeah, he's a great artist anyways, I'm a fan.

At the concert on Sunday, he was talking about you and how it was your idea to reach out to Matthew McConaughey for his music video. For Nine Ball. Which I love to hear and like how, first of all it's just like cool to see, I mean you guys are relatively in an early relationship, it's like how long you been dating?

Yeah, we've been dating like a year. Yeah, so that's not that long. And like I think it says a lot about a relationship for someone to go to their partner and kind of and ask their input or give them the credit for having the input and involve them as opposed to trying to separate it. How did that even come to be?

You just had the idea? Were you nervous about even bringing it up? What is that like? No, I feel we help each other so much. On his new album, I feel like I'm his go-to person of like, is this good? I have just like a different view on, I don't know, music and I feel like I'm in this influencer world or I'm just like in a different culture than he's in. So he really values my opinion and I really value his opinion.

So for my podcasting or when I'm making videos, I go to him, he comes to me. It's a really cool collaborative relationship. Then we were talking about the nine ball video because Zach had just written it and they couldn't figure out who to put in it. And I saw the vision of the video. Have you guys seen the music video? Yeah.

So in my head, I'm like, the only person for this is Austin, Texas, like Matthew McConaughey. And I brought it up to him and he's like, there's just no way, this is not gonna happen. And I forced him to DM him on Instagram. And then we're sitting in, like, the hotel in Australia, just me, and he was like, oh my God, he answered.

He answered. He texted me. He sent like a voice memo, then they're on the phone. I'm like recording it, we're freaking out. We're just like, we're fangirls. Like, we just, we love everyone. So it was like, I don't think Zach realized how big he is and like that it was an honor for Matthew to talk to him, but we were like, oh my God, Matthew,

he's on the phone. And then we picked him and it's really sweet that he shouts me out every show. That is really sweet. It is very sweet. Also, I didn't realize that Zach only really been on the scene for like four years. Insane.

Which is nuts. Isn't it scary that things can happen that fast? He's just been on an upward. I don't know much about the music career. Actually, I don't know anything about the music industry. I'm learning, yeah. But what I don't know anything about the music industry. But what I thought I knew is that it's such a long grind

and that before you even pop, there's all these, and it seems like for whatever reason, Zach was able to skip a lot of that in a way. Is that accurate? Yeah, I mean, he definitely grinded the hell out of it, but he was in the Navy when he first, like, started blowing up. I'm sure I know that. Yeah, so he, like, he had to leave the Navy

because it was, like, becoming a problem. Like, he was famous, like, kind of like Elvis. Like, he had to, like, leave because it was just on an upward spiral, but he did, he put in the work. He's been on tour for, like, three years straight. He was, like, doing Thousand Cap Rooms, then it worked its way up to 3,000, then all of a sudden it's like arena shows.

So it was, like behind closed doors, there was a lot more of like the grind, but the acceleration of like 1,000 people in a room to, like he just sold out stadiums and is adding two stadium shows to his tours. I've never seen anything like it. Like I don't even know who to compare it to. It's wild. His fans are amazing. shows to his tours, I've never seen anything like it. Like I don't even know who to compare it to.

It's wild. His fans are amazing. And I think it's just due to his songwriting. There's not really a lot of songwriters left, I feel. He's one of them. Yeah, no, he's, as someone who's not good at listening to the lyrics, he's really good. Yeah, he's really good.

Where you're like, for me, Nelly knows every lyric to every song. And I like, will zone in, zone out, but when I zone in, I'm like, oh shit, that was pretty good. Yeah, and he writes it in like, literally, I'll wake up, he's writing a song for 10 minutes, it's the next big thing. I'm like, how do you fucking do that?

He was like, he was a geek growing up. He didn't like sports, he liked poetry. So that's why I love him. He's a sweetie pie. Yeah. What makes your relationship work the most? I think because we understand, I've never dated someone else in like the spotlight,

him obviously times a bajillion of me, but I've never dated someone that kind of like understands what we go through of like being under scrutiny all the time or like under a microscope. So us being able to know that we need alone time or we like the hate that we get on the internet and just like being able to relate on a level like that has bonded us so much. I know it's a stupid question because every public figure does, but I always get the impression, like someone like Zack wouldn't get the hate, or is he, like everyone else,

people find a, certain people find a way? Yeah, people, there's people that hate everyone, but he definitely gets, he gets scrutinized a little bit for like things in his past, or just like, it's silly stuff, but obviously he gets a lot more love. But hate. What's, as far as you, what is the, you know, you being in the public eye, you know, It's silly stuff, but obviously it gets a lot more love. Don't hate it. Yeah. As far as you, what is the, you being in the public eye,

I think internet personalities and reality TV stars are kind of very similar fan bases where it's a lot of fandom, and then there's a lot of condescension of like, why should you be in this position that you're in? Yeah, oh my gosh, yeah. And I get it. Sure, but what is something maybe you've learned about yourself

through all these, through the years that you've been in the public eye that you would have done differently or something maybe you learned from your relationship about being in the public eye that you're glad you've learned that you wish you maybe would have implemented a couple years earlier? That's a really good question.

I feel like in the beginning of my rise on social media, I would respond to a lot of hate, and I felt like I had to prove myself, or I had to defend myself over and over. I think that makes you end up looking a little silly, just like always being like, no, I'm a good person. You don't know anything about me. Just to constantly feel like you have to stand up

and defend who you are. No one, half the people on the internet don't deserve to even know you if they're gonna comment terrible things. So I think I spent, yeah. I spent a lot of time, I think, like trying to not prove myself, but defend myself when people would say terrible things.

And I fell into the traps of being evil back to them and just saying nasty shit. I'm't like I'm doing the same thing I wouldn't have done that I don't think and I think it speaks volumes when you just kind of take the high road and let people say what they want about you instead of like and just like not even give it air yeah because if you have to defend something so hard it's like I don't know I don't I just don't think it's worth it because people in your life know you and love you and they know who you are.

That's the hard part too. This is like someone makes a comment or says something about you or even an article or in your comments. And we talk about this a lot where it's just like the only thing that's gonna give it the oxygen that we don't want to have would be us. Right, yeah.

It's just like, even if it's like 500 people talking about you, that's nothing compared to like if you were to like once you go on your social platforms, be like, you know what? I fucked you and never done this. You open the floodgates. It becomes exponentially that much more of a story. And it's like, everyone's going to have to learn that tough lesson. I know.

And it's such a- But it is so hard not to. No, it is. it's so hard. Cause to do that, you do have to let a lot of people say a lot of nasty things and make up just bullshit things about you or, you know, and then it's like, well, you should say something. And if you feel like if you don't say something,

then you're letting those people win or you're letting them like do, and it's so hard to do, but like it sucks when the only so hard to do, but it sucks when the only right thing to do is nothing when it comes to the internet, but it's fucking brutal. Right, and I think it truly does take, not everyone could do what we do and be under constant scrutiny

or always someone talking about your character, who you are, it takes a strong person to be able to do it. So I give everyone in media like a credit. I mean, the only person I've seen do like be on the offense online and do it like where it's like, how do they get away with it? And how do they do it so well is Dave. Dave, uh-huh.

Yeah. He's one of a kind. No, it's just like, fuck, he's so good at responding to fucking bullshit. Or it's just like, I don't know if I could do that. Or I even have the fucking guts to do what he does. It's just so honorable. I'm like, how do you do it?

And then he does it in such a brash way, but I'm like, it's tasteful, because it's funny. And you're just like, that's his demeanor. I think he's been like that his whole entire life. And also, he's like, who the fuck are you? I just built a $100 million company, so he can shit talk all he wants. I honestly shocked people still try to like come for him

because it's like, why would you do that? Like I think there was the one girl who was like, Dave stole this. It was like so much. Oh my gosh. Yeah, that was terrible. That's a move. Yeah. That was insane.

I was like, babe, you are bold. You have a lot of that. You have balls or you just have no idea. Or you have no idea. Who Dave is. Yeah. Yeah. He scares. Maybe that's why people, we were talking about that before we started recording, are scared to come on BFFs because they think we're going to be mean. But I'm like, Dave wouldn't, Dave just only says,

honestly, the truth or like what's on his mind. So it's kind of cool. I wish I was more like that. People are more afraid to go on BFFs or wild files, I don't know. I was telling them before I came on the podcast, people like my friends were like, be careful. They're like, they're scary.

They're really hound people. I'm like, what? I didn't think so. I don't feel like we do. I feel like we always say that, but everyone who comes on, they're like, everyone. Really? Well, the only tough part is we do cover, obviously,

like a lot of these shows and like we don't know them. And so we're just covering them like people cover sports. Yeah, you guys are journalists. It's not fucking personal. Well, not journalists, but. We are. Entertainers.

We are, no, comedians. We say this is all just a bit. It's all a bit. All a bit. Life is a bit. That's how I've been walking through it lately. But I don't know. I think in your space,

it can be a challenge to like figure out what's next. I think you've done an amazing job. So many people like you who got a start like you have come and gone. Even some of the bigger names, some of the bigger TikTok stars, they might even have like 15 million fucking followers. And honestly, like I forgot they existed.

I know. And yet you're still like very much like top of mind. You've actually taken a leap that's been more like niche TikTok into more mainstream from like a lot of the things that you're doing, but what's been your secret recipe and what do you think is next for you? Yeah, exactly what you just said.

It is so scary to like be in this space and not like, there's no expiration date. Like it could be tomorrow so scary to be in this space. There's no expiration date. It could be tomorrow, or it could be in 10 years. You don't know what's next. And I think I owe so much to Barstool. For me, staying in the public eye, if it weren't for Barstool and having the platform

to do my podcast, or being on BFFs, and just having all the creative tools and freedom, I don't think I would, I don't even know what I would be doing right now. So Barstool definitely helps. I also have a two year contract with them still that I just signed, so I'll be there for two more years. And I think after that, I've been working on short films

and I'm trying to get into that space. That's what I was my minor. Like to produce, direct, act, all of the above. Write and direct, yeah. Write and direct. Yeah, that's what I wanna do. That's been my dream forever. act, all of the above. Write and direct, yeah. Write and direct. Yeah, that's what I wanna do. That's been my dream forever and I think this is the perfect job to get me in the door.

I've just been meeting all of the people I've been idolizing my whole entire life and being able to be in rooms with them and talk to them and then have their phone numbers. I'm like, holy shit, I love this job for that. Oh my God, how is Lana Del Rey? I saw you hanging out with her. I'm like, I'm obsessed with her. She is so fucking normal and cool. And I like, okay, so she was at

Hangout Fest. Zach had was a headliner on Sunday. She was a headliner on Friday and she stayed to watch his set. I was trying to get her to sing with him. I wanted it to happen so bad. It didn't happen. Whatever. But Zach's manager was like, I don't want to be creepy and like, like go grab her and talk to her. And like, can you just like, I feel like I'm usually the groundbreaker or the icebreaker for a lot of people. And he sent me over and he's like,

just bring her over and like make sure she's comfortable. And we hit it off. She just started talking to me. We were like, we were best friends. She was talking about like her life, her dad, all this stuff in the industry. And we just sat together for two and a half hours and just talked and chatted.

I saw videos of you guys hanging out and I will say I was envious of you. Oh my gosh, I was envious of myself in the moment. I'm like living this moment. But also we were at this music festival and I hadn't been to a rave in a really long time. I used to be a really big EDM-er, but I'm on the road with Zach.

So I'm like, open the gates. It's just, sometimes I miss it. I was itching for like an EDM show and there was an EDM set going on. Dom Dahl was playing and me and my friends were there and we were like, oh, we have to like take a little bit of mushrooms for this. Cause like, obviously.

And we did that. I didn't realize I was going to be hanging out with Lana Del Rey like the whole night. But you were having mushrooms and hanging out with mushrooms. So I get back, I think it helped my case. Probably. I think I was more confident, I was more talkative. I was more, yeah.

You're like, I don't know if it was Lana Del Rey, but it looked just like her. Just like her, just like her. But I think it helped my case. And then I realized like halfway through talking to her, I'm like, oh my God, I'm kind of like tripping right now. But it was great, she was amazing. She's so normal, so sweet.

Like she had her childhood friends with her. And it's refreshing, because I feel like I meet so many people through this job now where it's like, oh, you're not who I wanted you to be. Like you never meet your heroes type of thing. Lana Del Rey exceeded my expectations. She was, and she's fucking gorgeous. Sometimes on mushrooms you can be your best self.

I think that's true. It was a microdose too, so. Obviously, microdose. Yeah, obviously. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a microdose too. Obviously. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like all my anxiousness and neuroses, I feel a lot of that goes out. Me too.

I become like a normal nice person who's not like, eh, I don't have to like recompute my brain. Right, I know. Microdosing, well, mushrooms are becoming legal in so many places, but these like little capsules are what we took and they're like legal in Canada, where like people that have anxiety or a little depressed, you just take them and they're like,

oh my gosh, my life has changed. Is there maybe like future for like Alana and Zach club? Like I feel like that. They definitely are both open to it and hopefully one day that will happen. We love that for them. They love each other. So I think it could totally happen. I saw y'all talk about a car wreck y'all were in.

Oh yes, that was terrifying. Like what happened? It was so scary. And it sucks because we were having like the best day. We finally had a day off from like the tour and we were like fishing, we were country mode. We were on this like farm and there was like a hundred acres and after we go fishing, we're like, oh We were on this farm and it's like 100 acres and after we go fishing we're like,

oh, let's take the side by side. People don't know what a side by side is. I didn't until the other day. It's like pretty much a golf cart on steroids with a windshield and doors. Oh, sure. Yeah. It's like in between a car and a golf cart,

somewhere in the middle. Like a Jetsons mobile, if you've ever seen the, no, I'm probably aging myself. So I'll shut the fuck up. I don't know that. But we drove it around and we went up to, we were like up on the side of the mountain. We had to go around a stream to get down.

And we were going like 15 miles per hour, maybe like 25 miles per hour, nothing crazy. So it didn't, it wasn't, we weren't expecting anything terrible to happen. We were like on the side of a hill and we just turned wrong and all the weight went on one side and we rolled three times. Everything shattered.

We were on the side of this mountain. And it was so weird. I'd never tell Zach to put a seatbelt on. It was Mother's Day and his mom had passed away, so we think it was his mom in some weird world. But right before we got into the car, I'm like, Zach, you have to wear your seatbelt. You have to wear your seatbelt. You have to wear your seatbelt.

I don't know what inclined me to say that. And if we didn't have our seatbelts on, we would have died, which was so crazy. Kid Rock's assistant the next day died in a side-by-side accident. Are you serious? Because he didn't have a seatbelt on. Jesus.

And I was like, holy shit, rest in peace. That's horrible. So it was just a weird, it was a really weird day. And the fact that it was Mother's Day and I told him to put his seatbelt on, it was just a weird, it was a really weird day. And, like, the fact that it was Mother's Day, and I told him to put his seatbelt on, it was really scary and traumatic. How did you, I mean, how did you recover? I mean, I'm not recovering, but, like, mentally, like, yeah,

did you have to, like, how did you unwind? Or, like, when you have a moment like that where you realize, I could have died. Yeah, it was so traumatic. Also, we actually thought Zach was dying because we were on the side of the mountain and he had cut open like his whole arm and there was like so, I was obviously in an all white outfit for some reason, it was all red.

It was fucking crazy. I was covered in blood because the way that we landed, I was on my side and he was hanging from a seatbelt above me. So all of the blood was on me and he just like made sure I was okay. And I'm like, I was in total shock. I'm like, oh my God, there's so much blood.

Like it was in my eyes. I couldn't see. And we don't know if like he had an artery because you only have three minutes to live if you had an artery. And we're on the side of the hill and we're calling for security, but we're so far away from everyone.

So he's getting lightheaded. We're trying to walk. He's like falling. I'm like, holy fuck. He's like, holy fucking shit. Like this is it. We'd like took his fuck, he's like, holy fucking shit. Like, this is it. We like took his belt off, made a tourniquet. Thank God it was not as like serious as we thought.

But in the moment. You didn't know. We didn't know. So we were like, holy, I was fine. I was on skates, I had this little cut. And I'm just like, oh my God, I'm driving. So I'm like, did I just kill my fucking boyfriend? And then we finally, the ambulance comes

and it didn't hit an artery. He just needed stitches. It was just a lot of lost blood. But in the moment it was so traumatizing. And then after we had to pack the bus up and drive to like Arkansas that night. So we had to like brush over it. My cat got loose right after.

So we have to like go through the woods and search for the cat. It's like midnight. And then he has to play a show the next day. So it kind of just got steamrolled into like oh that was fine That was a big deal and then we kind of had like a breakdown. We were like, holy shit. That was traumatic We need to talk about it and move on and we're okay, but it was really scary and where you fucking see pop That's the one thing I got out of it is where you see

You guys have been doing for about a year Zach's been around for about four He's got some iconic songs that I Nali I think informed me that may or may not be about, like, people from his past. Natalie has a role called BN. Before Natalie. Which is like, nothing really happened before Natalie. I like that. And there's BB.

Yeah. But more of a joke, but like, is that weird? This is funny. People ask me this all the time. And also, like, do you want someday, I'm assuming to be written into his songs and is that extra pressure for you to make this shit work? Oh my gosh. It's funny, that's a funny question.

I think I knew what I was getting myself into. Like I fell in love with Zach's songs when he was singing about whoever he was singing about when he wrote the songs, you know? And I think you have to be a mature person in the sense of, like, I have to. He's got to... These songs are his biggest fucking songs. But also what a lot of people don't know is, like,

he just takes inspiration from... He tells this story about I remember everything on stage, but everyone thinks it's, like, about someone or something. He was in Long Island, and he is so incredible about I remember everything on stage, but everyone thinks it's like about someone or something. He was in Long Island and he is so incredible in the sense that he can see something in front of him and then create a whole story about it. So he saw this waitress like get into a guy's car

like after being in the bar all night and working and then going home with him. And then he wrote a story about what he envisioned her life. So I think people don't understand that not every lyric is super attached to him. He is so incredible in the sense that he writes so that everyone can feel something. And they're not so personal.

And of course there's love songs about other girls. Like, of course he was in love before. So was I. So I just don't have songs about it. But like- That's very mature of you. Could you imagine if you're like, sorry, I'm gonna. I can't.

You have to take these off. You can't sing this. Off the setlist. I'm like, no, some of those are my favorite songs. He's like, what the fuck? No, I think it's just like, yeah, you just have to realize that's life. There were people before you sadly,

but yeah, the new album definitely has some sweet ones about me. Hell yeah. Yeah. Can you say which ones? Well, the album's not out yet. But they're really sweet. We'll follow up.

In your just career in general, who is someone that you were the worst starstruck that you got to meet that did live up to your expectations? And if you're able to share one who didn't, that would always be great. Oh yeah, I know. I think the obvious one for me at least, growing up, I grew up on Tana Mongeau

and I just loved watching her. I feel like she's probably the reason I'm doing what I'm doing. She just inspired me in meeting her. I was like, you are better than I thought. You're just a sweetheart. She welcomed me with open arms. She was so, so nice and normal.

Like less intimidating than you thought? Yeah, I just think like, you're that bitch. You don't have to be nice to me. And she, cause I was nobody when I met her. And you think in LA, some people only treat people by their stature, which I've come in contact with, but she is totally, doesn't matter who you are, if you treat her with respect,

she treats you with respect and she was really sweet. And same with Brooke, but Tana was my number one cause I grew up watching her. I don't- You never met Tana. Oh really? Brooke is a friend. I met Brooke.

Yeah. Brooke is a sweetheart too, I was just with her. But someone that didn't live up to my expectations, I always say it, Logan Paul was mean to me, but whatever. That's like obviously right? Obvious. Yeah. By the way, yeah, the Tyson and Jake Paul fight,

I'm so sad that- Did it get, actually get canceled? I think it got postponed, not canceled. I've been planning my whole fucking summer around this. Why did it get postponed? Apparently Tyson had an ulcer on a plane or something. Ulcer flare up, yeah. So, old people issues.

They shouldn't be fighting, that's crazy. No, but I'm definitely one of those people who absolutely paid money to hope to see Jake. Jake, yeah. Get his ass kicked. And unfortunately, Jake is better than most people want him to be, a credit to him. And, you know, good for him.

But Mike, you know, is gonna like come in and like. There's still time, it's still gonna happen, hopefully. Okay, have you met Jake? I have met Jake, he came on BFFs. I didn't really like meet him, meet him. He just came on the podcast and left, but he was super, he was down to earth. Wait, but that's the thing about meeting these people

that we watch online or we see like on reality shows. They are in some sense a character and they're not exactly what they put online. I think it's like an exaggerated version of them. Or you're just seeing a side. Yeah, not all of it. Yeah, under a very specific situation. And if they're not in that situation, then they're-

Yeah, when people meet me, they want me to be more talkative or outgoing and crazy. Cause that was like how I started on the internet. And I'm pretty much a really reserved person. And I think- Are you more introverted? Yeah, I think I let people down and it eats me alive. I'm like, fuck, and I'm pretty much a really reserved person. And I think- Are you more introverted? Yeah, I think I let people down and it eats me alive. I'm like, fuck, I need to be louder or more crazy, but-

I let people out of town all the time. Yeah, it makes me sad, but I'm like, you know, that's just like that version of me on the internet. I'm not like that 24 seven. People would hate me if I was like that. What else is something that people don't really, like that take, like that misunderstand about you or don't even know about you?

I think a lot of people on the internet misunderstand. I'm like very bad at showing my emotions or like I'm kind of monotone. And people think I'm like uninterested or annoying or boring or like Boring. Annoyed with people all the time. And I'm like, oh fuck, that's just my face.

And I'm actually a listener. Like I could sit here and just, I would listen to you guys for hours. Like people tell me all their secrets. Lana Del Rey was telling me all of her secrets. I just have a very welcoming like aura, you can tell me anything. And I think people, when they watch me online,

they think I'm just like a stone cold, but it's not. And I wish, that's one thing I wish people, like if they met me in person, they would understand, but it doesn't translate well online. I'm like, I'm not a bitch. It's, no, I agree. It's extremely hard to show, like, your true personality, who you are, like, around your close friends, or how you are in person online.

It's so hard, because I get that same thing, where it's like, and it's been easier to have this podcast. I think people have been able to see a little bit of it, but even then, it's like, I just like, if you just met me, and you would be like, Oh, it's always it's like, if you just met me, you would like not say something, you would not say that, like you would be like, Oh, she's so sweet. She's so fun. Podcasts help a lot though, because you get to really like talk and show who you are.

Yeah. As a solo introvert, you definitely get mislabeled as a dick, right? When you just want to be quiet. Yes. Yes, yes. And then especially like, you know, you can, you have an intimidating presence in your public figure. And so like people look at you and then, oh, she's attractive or this or that. And they just immediately assume that you're quiet

because you fucking hate the world. Yeah. As opposed to you just being like, I just honestly, just didn't want to. Honestly, I'm just quiet. And I'm in my head being like, fuck, I'm missing the wrong thing. I'm missing the wrong thing. Oh my God. And it's so crazy head being like, fuck, I missed the wrong thing, I missed the wrong thing,

oh my God. And it's so crazy that it gets misconstrued as you being a dick. I'm like, actually, I'm thinking of how to make you comfortable in my head right now, because I don't want to make anyone uncomfortable ever. I'm such a people pleaser. But the introverted thing, being an outwardly extroverted person online is so hard to navigate.

I'm like, ugh, that's something I wish people knew. I'm an introvert, I's something I wish people knew. I'm an introvert, I guess. Okay. Yeah. How much would you pay to see Jennifer Lopez in concert? Because most people wouldn't pay $8. I was gonna say, I don't think I would really go. It can't, she canceled a tour.

Her tickets were $8? Shut up, $8? She was unable to sell at stadiums and some stadiums had tickets as low as $8. You know what? Her team is so fucked up or maybe she is just so delusional. Why would they have her selling stadiums? She should be doing arenas maybe. My guess is it's because it's hard to go back.

You know? Was she selling out stadiums? I'm not sure. Maybe at some point. Oh, is this her like first stadium tour? Ooh, that would be. That is crazy. Maybe at some point. Oh, is this her like first stadium tour? Oh, that would be. That is crazy.

That would be bad. That would be, yeah. I just think maybe she's such a star in so many areas that maybe they overestimated. The music is the star of J.Lo. I think J.Lo herself is the icon. She's the star because she did it all. She could make music, but she's not Beyonce.

She can act, but she's not, you know, like the most great actor. Yeah. Do you think anyone in her team has the guts to be like, you're not Beyonce? No. Someone has to be, someone has to tell her the truth. But that's the thing, like she is such an icon

because she can do it all, but she's not the best at everything. I think she thinks maybe in her head she's the best at everything. Which is like, dude, she does way more than I could ever do, but she's not the best at everything. I think she thinks maybe in her head she's the best at everything. Which is like, dude, she does way more than I could ever do, but she oversells herself clearly if she's trying to sell out stadiums.

Who is that person in your life, other than maybe Zach, he's your partner, so I'm assuming on some level he's your person who can check you, but who besides Zach is like the person in your life who keeps you grounded, keeps you, not Brianna Chickenfry, but just Brianna, and like, keeps you honest with yourself so that you don't lose sight of like, who you are,

let the tension or fame get to you. Definitely my best friend Grace or my family. I'm just like, so close with my friends from home and my family back home, but Grace is, we're in this together where we kind of have to check each other. And it's really nice to have her during all of this. She's my best friend. She's also my podcast host.

And she's just my ride or die. I'm her ride or die. We're each other's biggest fans. Without each other, I don't know where we would be. How'd you meet Zach? I met Zach. It's kind of a weird story. I went to his concert, and I went on stage to sing revival because they bring someone up to sing revival all the time,

so they brought me and Josh up. Yeah, it was crazy. I was like, what? Yeah, she never saw it on my DM, so that's why we were there. I didn't see it and I felt bad! Oh my gosh! Can you sing? No. God no. You know how everyone's so in this? No one's really like, yeah.

But sometimes he does bring people on who can perform and sing. He brings fans on all the time to sing songs. But no, the revival thing is just like, they try to bring someone cool out. So they bring NFL players all the time. We were just the ones in New York. So it was like, oh, it's gonna have to be these guys.

And I was like, all right, I'll do it. And me and Josh went on, we sang revival, whatever. I don't even talk to Zach after. It was actually so embarrassing. After the show, after we sung revival, Josh went up to him, like dapped him up. I went to like shake his hand and be like, thank you. But like he went for a hug and then I went for a hug.

But then he went for the handshake and I just like walked away. And I was like, that was so humiliating. Oh my God, I walked away. Like I didn't even have a crush on him at the time. I was just like, you're Zach Brian. But then that happened and I met like his whole team and his band and I made a podcast episode about it.

Like a few weeks later being like eat the rich besides Zach Brian because he was just so kind and his team was so welcoming. They didn't have to be and they were so normal. And like I said, I've just experienced like bad people in LA. So I was, it was a breath of fresh air. Made the podcast episode. I kind of owe our relationship to this guy named Jay Sisco, who works for Zach. He kind of like set us up and he sent the podcast to Zach. Zach listened to the podcast. He posted it on his story and then DM me. Thank you so much. And then we started DMing, but then we had never met in person yet.

Like actually talked in person. We just had the, and then I took a fan picture with him at the CMAs before that. And we started talking and texting and he was like, I have to drive from Philly to Oklahoma. Do you want to come? And I'm like, so your first day was a road trip? An 18 hour road trip. Hell yeah. That was our first time meeting.

And then that we just fell in love in the car. And then we like haven't separated since. I love that. Yeah, it could have been the worst date ever though. Yeah, yeah, you could have been like, I'm fucking trapped. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's how we met.

Wait, how'd you meet? She DM'd me. Okay. We exchanged some messages. And then I was like, I'm going to New York and she was living in Savannah and I was like, well, if you're not doing anything. And she's like, I have friends in New York. I was living in Savannah and I was like If you're not doing anything and she's like I have friends in New York and I was like I have to be there anyways Oh, that's cute. She's like and I'm like and then the long story very long story short. It was like I'll just

Stay with you in your hotel and we were both like Hope you don't murder me. Yeah, you know, there was a little bit of Yeah, we had like separate beds because I came to Oklahoma and stayed, we stayed in this Airbnb and we had like separate rooms and we took a nap on the couches like this and we like napped separately. It was so weird.

We were like scared to touch each other. Yeah, so I get it. It was scary. Yeah, I mean, our friends who married us that week and I reached out to them, I'm like, so I'm hanging out with this girl, I don't know anything about her, I hope she's cool, but if not,

can we just all get together? And I basically, I asked for help. She turned out being cool. Yeah, it seems like it kinda works. It worked out. It's sometimes full on dates, they can go one way or the other. Yeah, yeah, it worked out for us.

A road trip. Yeah. Love that. Good old road trip, R. go one way or the other. Yeah, yeah, worked out for us. A road trip. Yeah. Love that. Good old road trip, RT. That is really crazy. Do we wanna go through any rapid fire pop culture topics with Brianna before we let her go? Yeah, I mean, we could circle back to last names because Shiloh, Jolie Pitt wants to change her last name.

It really makes me sad, cause like Brad Pitt is like, I'm- He loves, you love him. I love him. You're Brad Pitt guy. So- Big Brad Pitt. So what-'m. He loves, you love him. I love him. You're Brad Pitt guy? So. Big Brad Pitt. So what? She wants to legally remove Pitt.

Yeah, because. It seems like her, his family fucking hates him. And that's. Remember that shit came out about the private jet flight of like the fighting and stuff. So I feel like there's so much behind closed doors. Also, if he was married to Jennifer Aniston and then left for,

I just think he might be a bad guy. Also, what you just. He's too he might be a bad guy. Also, what you just, what you told. He's too pretty to be a good guy. Truly, what you told me recently about his son went on his Instagram story. Yeah, no, he said he's a piece of shit. And bashed him, yeah. Not even like, he didn't like allude to it.

He was like, you're a whore, I hope you rob the hell. Like Happy Father's Day, you piece of fucking shit. How old is the son? 20. Oh fuck, because I was gonna say, I hope it rob the hell of your- Like Happy Father's Day, you piece of fucking shit. How old is the son? 20. Oh fuck, because I was gonna say, I hope it's not the weird instance where like the parents get divorced and the parents kind of like make them pick a side,

but they're old enough to have their own decisions at this point. At this point, but I guess, yeah, I don't know. That's crap. That's like as a, you wanna believe, but it's like at the end of the day, whatever is right. You have to separate the art and the person. You can still go watch your Brad Pitt movies and love him.

Yeah, yeah. But you just can't scream he's a good guy anymore. Because recently a report came out that he's really sad that she wants to change his name. I saw that. Or something. I mean, imagine your children hating you publicly. That's gotta fucking suck. I mean, but he must have you publicly. That's gotta fuckin' suck. But he must have done something.

He just must suck. Or does he not care? Is he like an absent father who is just like, yeah, fucked up and I guess by? That's what I'm getting. And I feel like Angelina Jolie is such So present. The best and the present and just this most

heartwarming human being. So maybe the brashness of them being so different, they're like, dad's bad, Mom's so good. That could be a possibility. I don't know, one's enough for me. Yeah, I was about to say, you don't get hit on once. Yeah. That's just the public one.

And some other sad news. Halsey posted on her Instagram. Oh, I just saw this. Yeah, she said she's lucky to be alive amid years of long health battle. But what was the actual health? I know she like... It's a lupus. Lupus. Is that it?

She posted an Instagram and the caption was, Long story short, I'm lucky to be alive. Short story long, I wrote an album. It begins with the end, out now. I'm best friends with her little brother. We were together last night. Yeah, and he was telling me that this was gonna come out today. She was really sick.

And I guess she's just been fighting it silently. And he was just talking about how incredible it was to watch her go through it and also like make this insane album. And she's a one of a kind. She's very similar to Zach. And like, she loves her art so much. And she's so passionate.

She's really cool. Is her little brother brother every optimistic about? Yes, we're good. I think they're excited for the future and I think she was waiting to be ready to share it. So yeah, she's been struggling for a little bit. I'm sorry that she's not doing well. I'm glad she's on the way.

Made something out of it, which is cool. She has something on the up and up. She tagged the Lupus Research Alliance and the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society in her post. Oh shit, okay. But she didn't disclose whether she was diagnosed with either of those. Oh my gosh, that's heartbreaking.

Yeah, so sad. I just hope she's okay. She has a baby too. I do love her. Yeah, she's incredible. I saw her in concert like two years ago and it was the most insane, I wasn't really a Halsey fan, the most insane shit she puts on a show.

So the fact that she's going through all that and then probably going on tour again is incredible. I just saw her perform at the AMAs, which was great. Yeah, she's a bad bitch. Yeah. Have you seen the new Deadpool popcorn buckets? Yes, insane, have you guys seen these? It's like the Dune ones, how they did the weird shit.

The Dune ones where it was like a flesh line. So here's the Deadpool ones. So basically it's Wolverine's face with his mouth open. And like their marketing is embracing the fact that it's sexual. Yeah. In response to like the Dune one where it looked like a flesh line. I am not seeing the sexual part of these. Well, if you saw the bit that Ryan Reynolds posted,

you would see it, because it kind of was like a popcorn falling like in your mouth. It's like the Wolverines basically getting a load full of popcorns kind of thing. Speaking of sexual things, I had dinner with two of my good friends the other night and we were talking about porn.

And we were saying how like, she was like, who would you rather watch? And it was like, I think it was Corinna Kampf. And then it was like, or like some guy, and I was like, I wouldn't, like, I cannot watch a man in porn. Like that is so fucking terrifying to me. And I was like, the first time that I like any,

like everyone like looked at porn, I was like, experiment, I was like, what is like sex? What is all this type of stuff? I was like, experiment. I was like, what is like sex? What is all this type of stuff? I was like, lesbian girl, girl, no guy in the room ever around, any no penis at all, just girls. And it was like, I feel like most girls,

like that's all we wanna- We'd prefer to watch that, yeah. Yeah, and then our friend Paige this morning was saying, she was like, I feel like because the guys, it's like so- Well, it's like, uh, uh, uh. Yeah, it feel like because the guys, it's like so... Well, it's like, Aggressive. Yeah, a lot of pounding.

It's like, ow, it's pound town. It's like sensual with women, and it's like, it actually looks like it feels good. No one's screaming like bloody murder. It's not like you're like stepdaughter or something. You're always like, what the fuck? Yeah, horns down fucking weird. It's not your brother.

Like there's your actual brother now. It's like, what the fuck? I want them to look like they're enjoying it. Yes, yes. I want them to be in love. Yeah, don't be scared. It is interesting though, like for like heterosexual women want two girls and like, for me, like it's more like

if two girls like doesn't, it's more like, where am I in this? Where am I, yeah. Who's me? I don't know why I put myself mentally in this. Which one of us? Like I don't, I can't, not both of them can. Who's me? How do I put myself mentally in this? Which one of us is me? Like I don't, I can't, not both of them can't do that.

I feel like I'm intruding. Yeah, I should leave the room. Like, yeah, sorry girls. Like, I'll leave. I'm creepy. Yeah. I'm creepy. Oh, that's funny.

I put the tissue away, like I don't know. Yeah. But I do feel like it's most women. I don't know, I wonder if that's. I don't know. All my girlfriends are all like strictly watch lesbian porn. Yeah, so basically what we wanna know is

do you and Zach watch porn together? I'm just kidding. Yeah, we watch lesbian porn together. Lesbian porn together. And for me it must be on silent. We eat out of our Deadpool bucket. Silent. Silent.

Silent porn. You don't wanna hear it. You do not wanna hear it, nope. You can like make it up in your head, I guess. Yeah, I just don't, I don't know. The sound makes me. What's part of the sound? Is it the dirty talk or the smacking?

Everything, yeah. I mean, like not the actual little. It's the man breathing behind the camera. Literally everything. Just want it off. Anything else before we let you go, Brianna? I don't think so. This was so fun, guys, and you're not scary.

Yay, we're not scary. You're not scary, you're very lovely people. Well, it's great having you. Congratulations on all your success and I wish you much more to come, which I'm sure will happen. Please, can you plug all your stuff you're doing? You can listen to my podcast,

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Kristin, welcome back to the Vile Files. How are you? I'm well, how are you? I'm doing very good. Also, let's reintroduce, not even introduce. Everyone knows her. Everyone knows Paige. Everyone knows her, everyone knows her.

Honorary member of the household. I'm back, thanks for having me. Duh. Well, I've done one other podcast since this. I went on Josh's podcast. Oh. But this is my first and my favorite. Sorry, Josh. Absolutely. Period. And Gibson is here.

Paige Beck is here. Friend of show. Also friend of... Of mine. Of Kristin Doty. Friend of everyone. Kristin's like, can Paige come? Yeah, I'm like, whatever makes you feel most comfortable, Kristen.

And then we're like, hell yeah, we love Paigey. I'm here. Paige is like a lubricant. Thank you. A friend of everyone, Paige. She gets the people talking. How you been, Kristen? Great.

I'm getting over this crappy, germ cold situation that's been going around from kiddos. Yeah, we had a little bit of that at the actual household of ours in the group. Yeah, I was just hanging out with babies last week. I was with Paige's baby and then the next day I was with Cruz, Brittany's baby, like wiping noses and you know, just all the practice

that I need before motherhood. And then you have your handsome fellow. My fur baby. Yeah, he's not been home alone ever. So it felt odd to start today. How old is he? He's eight and a half, but his- Years.

Eight and a half years old, yeah. He looks like a puppy. Yeah. Wait, he's eight and a half years old? Yes. He's never been home alone. Yeah, that's a great- No, well, we had another dog and he passed away a puppy. Yeah. He's eight and a half years old? Yes. He's never been home alone. That's a great puppy. We had another dog, and he passed away a few weeks ago.

So he's like, what do I do by myself? And then he barks. It's just like, oh, thank you. We're happy to have him. Thank you. He's excited to be here. We hope he spills the tea, honestly. He got a haircut.

What does he know? Give him a mic. If Gibson could talk. My favorite thing is to watch Kristen with this dog though. It's like best in show. She's like running around with the treats. I hope you give the people a little taste later. I will. Gibson up, Gibson kiss.

Is he well trained? We are picking up our dog. He is best in show. Steve today from his bougie camp. Your dog's name is Steve? Yeah. I love that. Thank you.

Steve and Jeff. I'll let him know. Steve and Jeff? Yeah. I'm so sorry you didn't get a cooler name, dude. Gibson's pretty cool, Gibby. Was he named after the steakhouse? He's named after the guitar.

Yes, yes, of course. Kristin's vegetarian, so ouch. Yeah, I'm like, dare you. Paige. Absolutely not, yeah. Could you imagine? She's like, I'm naming this, I hate naming my dog. Prime rib.

How's your heart been, Kristen? My heart. My heart is doing well. It's doing well. Yeah. We really enjoyed it. That was really nice question We got we asked everyone. Oh, I don't think you asked me that last time

I think you were like, let's jump right in. Tell me the tea. Well, we're concerns for my heart No still want the tea Don't get confused But how was your heart? Yeah yeah, my heart as well. That's really, that's good. Yeah, I have great friends, awesome boyfriend, great dog, can't complain. Not to start heavy, but I do wanna say

after watching the finale, and I don't feel like, and I hope it's okay for me to say, but I'm really sorry about your miscarriage. Thank you. That was really like, I don't feel like it got the due attention that it deserved. Yeah was really like, I don't feel like it got the due attention that it deserved. Yeah, I mean, it happened after filming,

like after we wrapped the season. I understand. So it was up to me if I wanted to discuss it, but we talked about it on our podcast and I did that more for, Luke and I did that for ourselves because we kind of, we didn't know how to keep going without like on the podcast without just like

Talking about what was really going on. Yeah, and it was one of the best decisions that I've made because it's Like there's that positive community that you have on social media like instead of all the trolls and the negativity Suddenly there's this like whole open door to this positive community of women and men who have been through that Yeah, I mean watching it last night. Yeah, we obviously we we recently had our daughter River a whole open door to this positive community of women and men who have been through that. Yeah, I mean, watching it last night, yeah, obviously we recently had our daughter, River. But we remember Nellie getting pregnant and it really struck a chord when you talked about

just coming up with names and visualizing things, which is obviously for us being first time parents was part of the process. And so, yeah, it just, I really empathized for you and Luke. And I think it's one of those things that, you know, unfortunately, miscarriage is a part of life and a lot of people go through it, but it's a tragic experience that, you know, I don't think sometimes is acknowledged as much as it should be. Yeah, it happens far more often

than even I knew or understood. Like actually how many women go through them that don't even know that you've gotten through them. But for me, my first time being pregnant and being that far along, to me it was very far along. Obviously in a lot of people's eyes it maybe wasn't, but yeah, it's like Natalie, you know Paige You know, it's like the second you they're not cells to you

It doesn't really matter how long you were pregnant for it's like as soon as you see the positive you're like your mom Yeah, totally. Yeah, so we're back on the trying train. Okay. Well, that's awesome Congratulations. Thank you. I'm really happy for you. Yeah, I just's awesome. Fingers crossed. Congratulations. Thank you. That's amazing. I'm really happy for you both. Me too. I just wanted to say that just because. Thank you.

It just seemed like, yeah, and I know you mentioned you talked about it, but I wasn't sure and I wanted to acknowledge that. Thank you. How's everything else been? How is Luke? What's he been up to? Luke is great. I need him back in California.

Like, I'm over it now. He's been gone for about a month all over the place. And remind me, what exactly does Luke do? Well, currently he's a cast member on the Provost of the Valley. I guess what's he doing in Denver? No, he lives in this little town, like three hours south of Denver.

He has a 70 acre ranch. So he used to do hemp and CBD. Not to be confused with, if it was weed, I would just say weed, but it wasn't. That's too bad. I mean, he can grow weed, it's fantastic. But back during pre-pandemic, he has three greenhouses there,

and yeah, the money was pretty wild. Is he rich? Until it wasn't. He's not rich, but he doesn't need mama's money. That's all I'm saying. He does just fine on his own. Yeah, so he has this huge ranch that we've toyed with a lot of different ideas what to do with it.

His newest idea venture that he would like to do is sort of build like festival grounds there, which is really great to do in Colorado. There's a lot of grants for things like that to kind of get the economy bumping and boosting. So that's the goal. That's fun. Amongst many other ideas and fun things we want to do. Is Colorado looking a little bit more appealing to you to move to one day, or are you still like, no?

Absolutely not. I was going to say there's no way. one day, or are you still like, no? Absolutely not. I was gonna say, there's no way. The show's not called Colorado. Yeah, no. Or outside of Denver, it's called the Valley. Yeah, it's a great place to visit. Like, I like going there for weeks at a time.

I mean, that's where we actually conceived. It's like no stress, no road noise, just a beautiful ranch, animals and the outdoors and the mountains and rivers and lakes and it's just so peaceful. Might there be possibly, not to give the producers an idea, like a trip. Oh, ideally that would be amazing.

That we won't invite Janet to. Oh. Janet and her husband and her baby. We're manifesting a baby moon for you. Yes. Yes, a baby moon in Colorado. And in the words of Jasmine, none of those people will be invited

to my fucking baby moon. Yes. No, yes, that's kind of the point. Yeah, exactly. Flashbacks, this is like. It's perfect. It's writing itself. It this is like. It's perfect. It's writing itself. It's writing itself.

It totally is. No, ideally that would be so awesome if everyone could come visit the ranch. One day. Was the transition from like living that life and being kind of in the middle of nowhere and just on your ranch to coming to the Valley and now being on reality TV,

like how is he doing with that adjustment? I haven't seen him since. I know, you haven't seen him in a hot minute. What's funny is, like, you'll hear him sort of, well, not sort of, he'll complain on the show, like, in his, like, interview bites, how much he hates LA, blah, blah, blah. Once he's gone and he's at the ranch for a couple of weeks,

he cannot wait to leave. He's so excited to come back to my, you know, even though I'm in an apartment right now, we're actively looking for a house to rent for now, for like a year or two, but he's like, whoa, furnishings and like elevators and a gym and a pool and like, you know what I mean? Like not roughing it for once.

Here's an idea. Okay roughing it for once. Here's an idea. Okay, throw it at me. He's told them today. If you can wait, well, if Natalie had her way. Tomorrow. Tomorrow. But if you could wait like a few months, you can rent our house.

This is serious. I'm serious, we're gonna move. Three bedrooms, three bathrooms. In the valley. It's beautiful. Pool, hot tub. Love. It's gorgeous. Backyard. Yeah, like it's In the valley. It's beautiful, hot tub. Love. It's gorgeous. Backyard.

Yeah, like it's in the valley. Okay. So like. You can continue. You can continue on the show. Mm-hmm. Hot tub, projector, yeah. What do you think?

Okay, let's have that conversation. Okay, amazing. Backyard for the dog. I think we need to buy our new house. Yeah, no, no, for sure. Right now. I agree. Right now.

I'm just supporting everyone. I'm like, yes, yes, yes. Also yes, Gibson? Yes. Gibson, you'll love it. I'm just supporting everyone. I'm like, yes, yes, yes. Also yes, Gibson? Yes. Gibson, you'll love it. You'll love the bar. Last time you were here, it was in the heats of Scandival.

I didn't really know honestly that much about you other than that you were a legendary television. Now that I've gotten to know you, consider you a friend, and now that you've been on the Valley, I mean, first of all, congratulations to be back on television. Like, you were missed.

I think I speak for all Bravo fans when I say welcome back. Thank you. You're an excellent TV maker. Thank you. How do you do it? I know, I do, I do listen to Vile Files.

We love you. It's okay. Sorry. No, we love you. I feel like we're generally... Well, especially like now we redo, recap Vanderpump. From the start. From the get. Yeah.

Thank you for saying that I'm not like Jax though. Like you've had a moment you've battled with how similar we can be. Everyone's in a line like, holy shit, Kristen, what are you doing? The best part about Kristen is she's totally aware of it. She's like, yeah, you're not wrong in some ways,

but you are definitely not like Jackson. You were beautifully human and authentic in the most raw way. But yeah, like I said, was it last week? You have a great... It was a Danny and Nia. It was a Danny and Nia. She has exactly the same...

You can tell your heart is good. You have a great heart. And that's not... Just the mouth. It's the mouth sometimes that gets in trouble. She's like, I said she had a boyfriend for a year. What I meant to say was a year ago. She had a boyfriend.

When you say that, I'm like, yeah, no, she's genuinely sorry. She recognizes her oops. And then the whoop after. She doesn't double down and is like, I'm just gonna dig deeper, deeper, deeper. She's like, you very right. Like, there's the growth, okay? Because Vanderpump, Kristen, would have been like, whatever, deeper, deeper. She's like, you, sorry about. Like, there's the growth, okay? Because Vanderpump Kristen would have been like,

whatever, potato, potato, you know what I mean? It was basically a year anyway. It's a year. It was a year in my head, so like, ugh. Yeah. But Jax watched, especially last night's episode, it never ceases to amaze me, Jax. I don't know why I give him so much credit,

but I swear to God. He's great. He's great TV though. Sure. Horrible person it feels like. I think he's just constantly making things up in the most terrifying way. And I don't think it's like a performative thing. Like, oh, he's on TV. I just, and correct me if I'm wrong. No, I don't really know him in person. I know I'm on TV. Yeah,, and correct me if I'm wrong. You know him, I don't really know him in person. I know him on TV, yeah, I ran into him a couple times. But he seems like throughout every situation he's in, he just, nothing he says is real or genuine or from like a place of, even what he actually thinks or feels,

it just always comes, it always seems like it's just like saying whatever he thinks people will believe. And it's like almost if he never even knows what he's saying, it doesn't even matter. And that was real gaslighting for all the people who, who make up gaslighting. Yeah, yeah. Oh, for sure.

Like just the, I've never said, like just the lies, saying one thing, denying... I've said it since like day one, season one, Vanderpump with Jax, that why Jax can be so terrifying, and I don't mean like I'm afraid he'll talk badly about me or whatever, he's just terrifying. I think it's a fair word to use. It is, because he, if he has anything on you,

it's coming out. I mean, he's self-proclaimed, like he can't keep his mouth shut, right? Which is like sad for Brittany. Like fine, whatever for everyone else, like your own wife. So he makes everything up. And if he doesn't have anything to make up,

or I'm sorry, anything to spill, he's going to make it up. And that's the scary part. I'm not afraid of it anymore because I'm just so used to it. It's like, it goes in my ear and right out the other one. I'm like, okay, sure. Sure, buddy. It just doesn't even matter,

but it does make me sad for Brittany and for everything they're going through right now. I thought last night's episode was really touching. I don't know Brittany at all. I always was confused by the relationship because I've always generally heard nice things about Brittany. You know?

But Jackson, to be fair, like it's not, there's nothing redeeming about him because they are a lot of fun together when he doesn't suck. They are best friends. They do love just being home, just the two of them, and watching their silly sitcoms, and playing games together, and cracking up,

and all of that. It's been such a long time. I've never, ever seen a glimpse of that person. And all the years he's been out. Yeah, why doesn't he show that on TV? So you're saying outside of TV, there is a side of Jax that, like, Brittany, the human being is a side of Jax that like Brittany, the human being can connect with Jax, the human being. Cause it honestly doesn't seem like there's a human

behind those eyes. I'm not even trying to be a dick. No. Yeah. Also like when they were having the conversation and he was like being calm and she was like so angry. She's like, why are you being calm? Like you're never calm.

Like, and you could tell he's like, what are you talking about Brittany? Like I'm just so Like, and you could tell he's like, what are you talking about, Brittany? Like, I'm just so tired. I'm like, you haven't been calm this whole season. You've been screaming at every episode and now you're gonna try to be like the victim. I'm sorry. Yeah, it's very manipulative.

It's like crazy. It's scary. Yeah. Terrifying. But you've seen them have that relationship off camera. It just feels like on camera, he doesn't want to be home with her alone. Even like a few weeks ago, he texted me and said, hey, going back to Michigan,

because we're both from Michigan, and going back to Michigan for 4th of July, do you and Luke want to come? I know Brittany's not going, but he's like, yeah, come on my sister's boat, like we'll have so much fun. And for a minute, I contemplated it. I was like, hey, Luke, do you want to go back home and, like, hang out with Jackson's sister?

And then, I don't know, it's like, I feel like I blink my eyes and he does or says something that pisses me off. I'm like, what was I thinking? No, I don't want to go hang out with you in Michigan. Like, suck it. So that's the most infuriating part, is that he can be really fun and kind and nice, but all of his other emotions just take precedence

over that, and it's not an excuse, I'm not making excuses for him. I just think it's sad that, especially at his age, and the place that he's at in life, married with a baby, whether, you know, separated, fine, but I'm just saying, like, has a bar, has a television show, has all of these things in the palm of his flipping hand, and he still finds a way to self-sabotage.

And then sabotage his friendships and relationships. Good luck, dude. I mean, so as of today, are you in communication with him? Or are you just- I'm not happy with him right now. We were great a week ago. What happened? Paige.

Why do I have to tell you? It's not my story to tell. I feel like he, it seems as though like he'll hit you up if he needs your support or your help because he knows that you'll always be a friend. And I feel like, you know, that's a beautiful quality about you. As a friend is like, Kristen shows up. Like if you need a friend. And I feel like, you know, that's a beautiful quality about you as a friend is like, Kristen shows up. Like, if you need a friend, Kristen's there.

If you're going through something, Kristen's going to show up and be like, let's put anything behind us and just be there. And I think that he probably uses that to his advantage. Like, if you if he says he needs you, you'll show up. But at the same time. But then he does something to like kick me in the vagina. You know what I mean? Let's talk about it. What happened?

Yeah. Kick in the vagina is aggressive. I mean, it's like... Before the internet thinks you literally... He didn't kick her in the vagina. Not literally. Exactly. Metaphorically need my clit and it hurt and I'm angry.

Ow, ow. Currently ow. Don't even have one. Oops. Yeah. So, you know, in the midst of, like, their separation and everything going on with that, which Brittany's very public about, so I don't even need to, like, speak for her.

Last weekend, Ariana's brother had a little birthday shindig at Jack's bar, and I said that I would go. I found out ahead of time that my ex-boyfriend asked if he could go, so he was not invited. The same ex-boyfriend who Jax drug on to the show to set you up and put you in an over-reported position. Exactly. And I'm not, even though I was offered

by the birthday boy and his fiance, listen, well, tell him he can't come at all. I can't be that, if you're gonna ask me, I just can't be that person that says absolutely not. So I'm like, listen, we'll tell him he can't come at all. I can't be that. If you're gonna ask me, like, I just can't be that person that says absolutely not. So I'm like, no, it's fine. Let's just go at different times, like whatever. So that's my plan and I do. And me and my little guard dog over here

like show up to the bar, ex-boyfriend is there, crazy uncomfortable. He starts shouting some really gnarly, shitty things at me. The ex-boyfriend. The ex-boyfriend. Very mean. Like, below the butt. Like, things that are also embarrassing. Looks like the Ozimpec didn't work, bitch.

What? Stuff like that. That's cruel. And Jax is standing there with him with that page, uncaged page or whatever her name is, and her friend, and Jax is like kind of holding him back, and I was like, dude, kick him out. Like, what are you doing? Nothing happened, so I left, sent Jax some texts after. Like, I'm so beyond disappointed.

Like, I need a break from you, whatever, whatever. And Jax is like, you know, I'm going through so much right now, Kristen. Bye, bitch. See ya. He couldn't stick up for you. He couldn't be like, bro, too far. Don't fucking say that. Get out of my nothing. Nothing. much right now, Kristen. Bye, bitch. See ya. He couldn't stick up for you? He couldn't be like, bro, too far. Don't fucking say that.

Get out of my, nothing? Nothing. And maybe I'm confused. Are they friends outside? So this is like new to me. Yeah, cause he brought him on the show. Because when we dated, they were not friends. Right.

But he brought him on the show to like make Luke uncomfortable. And then now he's bringing him around and it's like still, it's like why? Because they have this dumb guy chat that like there's probably like 40 people. Okay, wow. It's ridiculous.

Like a group chat. Like a group chat with like a bunch of dudes, like 40 dudes. Luke's not on that one, but it's- We should bring Laura Lee around. We really should. Who are some people in this group chat? Do you remember the girl in the group?

Show-wise? Or not, I mean. It's just like all the guys you cut, like, so on the Valley when Jax had that guys night, like all those guys, people, nobody really knows. Like guys he's been friends with for a very long time. With Tom's on there? Not saying of all Schwartz's,

but Schwartz sometimes takes himself off. It's not really his cup of tea. I feel like Schwartz is trying his best, whatever that is for Schwartz, the only loser that he is, to separate himself from the shenanigans of the bros. He's having a hard time doing it, but I feel like Schwartz sees the,

Schwartz, Schwartz, Schwartz, Schwartz. I feel like Swartz sees the, Schwartz, Schwartz, Schwartz, Schwartz. I feel like Tom. I gotta like, Swartz. It's like he knows it's not good for him, but he has such a loyalty to his bras. Yes, it's like the loyalty in the history of it. Or he's like, they're back in the swing of things,

support, they're having like a bar crawl this, I think, Thursday. This Thursday. They're having a bar crawl with like, all the boys' bars. And they've like, they're trying to like, support each other. But I agree. I think like, Tom Schwartz in his heart of hearts is like, this sucks to be like, the only good guy. So, so Jax never apologized for not having your back, not being a friend to you. You guys haven't spoken since then, right?

No, haven't spoken. That's a sound, like, but has Jax ever given a sincere apology? Yeah. Yes. Yeah. I mean, in the 16, 17 years I've known him, I'm sure I could pick a couple out.

Where you felt like he was like, I know I'm wrong here and I understand and I'm actually sorry. Yeah, for sure. Brittany was also saying that he like always says that he's gonna seek some sort of help or treatment or whatever and then never actually does it. And then where we left off, he said he was,

and she's like, that's for the cameras. And then he's like, I didn't actually go. Do you think he will actually go at some point? Or like, has he gone since then? He has, from what he's told me. Okay. Do you believe him? Yeah.

I do, but will he keep up with it? I don't know. Yeah. Because it does, that's the stuff to me that is difficult because I want to believe that he wants to be better. Not if it's not for her and if it's not for their marriage, fine. But like for your child, for the sake of like you as a,

like Cruz is only three. Yeah. What's it gonna be like when he really understands a whole lot better than what he does now? Who his father is. Yeah, and like he needs a man to look up to. I don't think Jax would ever come on. Nick is pretty public about his love for Jax.

But I would have a... But you had that with Sandoval too. I would wanna have a... Like a legit conversation. I just would wanna know, doesn't this bother you how people see you? But you wouldn't get a real answer though. It's one thing to be a 23 year old fuck on Vanderpump, making TV and doing your shit,

but like, he was in his early 30s. But either way, now it's like, don't you want to show actual change? All the bullshit he was running his mouth with during Scandival. And so many people ate it up, which blew my mind. Very few people can get through to Jason Couchy on a level of where you're gonna get honest, true answers. I think I'm one of those people, his sister is,

but that all being said, you still have to catch him at a time that he's willing to be vulnerable and not overshadow the vulnerability with frustration and then he gives up and just says whatever you wanna hear or he shuts it down. Jason. I had no idea, Jason. I saw that on the last scene where the door shut

and it was like the couches and I was like, who the? It's not that guy. I thought his last name was Taylor. So it's not even Jax Taylor. No. No. Did he just choose that when he moved to LA and was like, I'm gonna have a stage name? Yeah, everyone was trying to be models and actors

at that time. Yeah, it was when he was modeling in Miami, I think is when Jax became Jax So you talk about Jax as if almost like he's your brother in a way like that's what we always say Brother who you and I get it are forced to be family. Oh, I thought you were gonna say something Are you referencing the fact that they've hooked up before? No, no, sorry, not, yeah, sorry, yeah, I actually forgot about that.

Oh good, me too. No, but clearly you've known him for so long, there seems to be some, you know, you still keep giving him chances, like you see who he is, but you're like almost like forced to be around him, and like you would a sibling, where he's just like, yeah, I mean.

Yeah, I don't put up with him the way that I used to or the way that people do like, oh, that, you know, you know how exactly Harvard said like, oh, that's just Jax though, it's just Jax. Yeah, I don't know why people say something like that. And I feel like the Valley this season, I feel like it's kind of like, oh, it's just Janet. Janet's just being that way.

Oh, Jax is just like that. Like, uh-uh, no, mm-mm, I'm done with it, sorry. It's not that Jax just gets to be that way. I put up with Jax because Brittany means the world to me and Cruz means the world to me. Well, I was gonna ask you, how are you managing those two relationships? Because is Brittany still,

what's going on with those two? Are they, are... She's still, I mean, like I said, she on with those two? Are they, are... She's still, I mean, like I said, she... They're still married? Yeah, they're still married, they're separated. Do you think she's still hoping for growth and reconciliation with him, or she... I've changed my mind so many times on this.

Like, on Watch What Happens Live, I was like, now they're done, and then some time before that, I was like, I have a lot of hope. Currently, today, I do not have hope for reconciliation. But ask me in a few weeks. I might change my mind again. But I'm assuming reconciliation is solely based off of, like, will Jax change?

And like, what's the, is that going to? But Brittany, pretty publicly, like, she is very public right now. I was saying like, she can't even stand to be in the same room with him for more than an hour. So that's what I mean. Like it's such a roller coaster of emotions because she tried everything to keep the family together.

His take very publicly has been, we don't believe in divorce. Not I want to be better for my wife and my family. It was like, you're stuck with me, bitch. Like kind of a vibe, which is like, no. And that's not warming her heart to him. Like, my husband really. He wants me back.

Also like when he was saying, when she was like, I had to leave because I knew you weren't gonna leave. And he was like, no, you should have stayed. And like, we could have raised our son together. And she's like, you wanted me to live in a different room and have different lives, but raise our kid together, like everything is fine. Like, that's not good for anyone.

So why would you, that was weird. And he was like, yeah, you should have just stayed. Like you should have just stayed in that room. But that's what they were doing even before Brittany moved out. Like she said before he was going out so late, that was an issue she was having with him already. And when he would come home late,

she'd be sleeping in her bed with Cruz and she would have Jax like not wake her up when he came home late. So sleeping in the guest room. What is, like he wants to go back to that? That's why she left. And she shouldn't have had to. What did you think of his recent publicity stunt

with his new girlfriend? Oh my god. The limo? The limo was pretty good. If I were to get pictures of the limo, I need to know what kind of limo it was. I also do. I haven't seen the photos either,

but you think they set this whole thing up, they would have followed through with some paparazzi. I think she set it up, is my guess. She's like, I'm gonna come pick you up in a black car pulls up in 2000s stretch. Was it a Hummer? To Granville. To Granville to the Chilies of the Valley as I say. No as Josh says the Cheesecake Factory of the Valley. We did have dinner the other day and have, we were just laughing about all these topics beforehand.

Josh likes to give his opinions. I'm like, oh, I thought you weren't watching. Funny, he knows everything. I guess he does. But like, that was 100% like, hey, we're gonna, let's call it paparazzi. It had to have been. It had to have been. Have you seen them hang out since?

I don't know that girl at all. Like, I saw her at Jax's bar the day that there was like a TikTok out where she said I'm pregnant or something. I totally didn't get that, but she was there and I just avoided her like the play. And that was the day that you got yelled at. So you left early. By your very toxic ex. Yeah. Yeah, who was sitting with her like the play. And that was the day that you got yelled at. So you left early. By your very toxic ex.

Yeah. Yeah. Who was sitting with her and her friend. Oh, of course. Of course, yes. Is Brittany dating? No, she's just raising her son. I think once things calm down

and she has a minute to like breathe and think and not be battling with Jax, figuring out, like, not living in an Airbnb forever. I think she's gonna, like, she's getting her sparkle back, as she says. And I think there will be a point where she'll be comfortable enough to do that. Like, she always says it, and she'll say it on podcasts. She says it like,

I'm gonna, you know, like, I'm gonna go out, I'm gonna do this, and I'm gonna do this. And I think she needs to flirt again. I think, I remember like when I was single or just getting out of a crappy relationship and it was like, I don't wanna date, I'm not trying to sleep around, but I just want someone to like tell me I'm pretty

and make me smile. You know, just like a compliment goes a long way when you are with someone who's not helping your confidence. It's just hurting her soul. I didn't want to be that dark, but like her soul's been hurt for like a little while. I mean, I feel like she's constantly said over and over on this season of The Valley is just like,

I feel like you're not attracted to me. I feel like you don't want to have sex with me. I feel like you don't think I'm pretty. I feel, you know, it's just like- It's like so sad. And he never responds. Yeah. He's never like, oh my God, babe, no, what the,

like, no, you're the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. Nothing, ever. He's just like... Not even like you have a heart of gold. He just doesn't say anything. Yeah, I think what started getting frustrating, I will say, and Brittany, again, I hate, like, I'm speaking for her, but she said all of these things.

And I even say it in the finale too, of like him calling her, fat or ugly. When she, like, started doing, like, Jenny Craig, and she was, like, working out really, really hard, even during that time, he was telling the whole world, shouting it from a mountaintop, how beautiful his wife is, how proud he is of her.

But to Brittany, he didn't say those things. Oh. So that, I he didn't say those things. So that, I think, was really when things started going south for Brittany, where she was like, yeah, you brag about me, but why can't you ever just look at me and tell me you're proud of me, or tell me that you think I look pretty today? So that's when Brittany started to feel that it was

more for show of like him appearing to be this amazing husband, rather than, you know. I feel like Brittany's gonna come out of this like all of a sudden she's gonna have like a hot boyfriend. Yeah. Or like someone who's like Ariana, like some guy who's like so nice and sweet and like treats her and Jax is gonna be like. Well, I absolutely want her for season two.

Her fantasy at the big bear. NBA player. NBA player. I was like, okay, so that's your fantasy. She's gonna come out with it. Yeah. She's gonna come out with bear. NBA player. I was like, okay, so that's your fantasy. Yeah, yeah. Let's find you one. Let's find you one.

Lakers player. Just try and take her on a date with that. I want like a retired basketball player, mid-30s, made his millions already. Yeah. Yeah, we don't want like a Tristan Thompson. No, no, no. Not someone who's actively an athlete,

but someone who's ready to settle down. And can still, you know, he can still play. But actually, that would be fun. But what I want more for season two and for Brittany, really just for Brittany, but it would also just be great television, is like just a hyper emotionally regulated mature man for Brittany. That would just run circles around Jax.

You know what I'm saying? Like, would just, he, Jax couldn't get under his skin, not a reactive guy, just like a calm, mature king who's just unbothered by Jax antics. Like, I don't think anything would drive Jax Taylor more nuts. Nothing would make me happier. Oh my gosh, that would make me so happy.

Selfishly, that's what I want. Don't care how Jax feels about it, but just truly, the peace that would come over her and like the happiness would just like, I would be elated. Just like watching him yelling at her about being drunk and she's like, I'm not drunk. He's like, you're acting crazy. she's like, I'm not drunk. He's like, you're acting crazy.

She's like, I'm laying in bed. And he's like, I drink a whole bottle. Do you see me acting crazy? She's like, yes, you are. Even if he wasn't, doesn't solidify his argument. You're yelling at her for drinking, period. And how you act doesn't necessarily, she's just saying she's not,

she's not even acting a certain way. She's just like, I don't feel good. Right, right, I just don't feel well. And like what, you're scolding her because you can drink two bottles of tequila and not have a tummy ache? Like act like a mom and stop drinking. I'm like, you're a dad.

If he could really, I'm not a pill pusher. I do think, I'm on medication. I think it would be very helpful for him. The most helpful thing Jax Taylor could ever do for himself is to go to therapy and be honest. For the love of God. Just don't lie to a therapist. Don't tell a therapist something you think they want to hear

to prove yourself right, or to go back to your wife or your friends and say, see, I knew it. Like, but also a good therapist would be able to see right through that in a second. You know, but also, but even a good therapist can't work with someone who isn't going to be honest. It's like, you know, right. Like you're not in elementary school and the principal's like, you have to come. The therapist is like, dude, this is on you. Yeah. You want this for yourself? I mean, that would just like what a change that would be or could be for him. And even if it's just to become a better father, if that is his sole reason and nothing else.

I hope he gets there for their kids sake, cause that's, it's going to be hard. Yeah. To grow up and seeing all that. Right. And Cruz needs his dad. Like, as we all know. Cruz has some challenges right now. Whether those challenges will continue, they're unsure.

He's only three years old, but he needs the love and support of both of his parents. The last thing he needs is to be around stress and... Exactly. You guys know, I'm not a mom, but you know. No, totally. Yeah, no, that's right, spot on. I couldn't help but notice on the family episode

after the six months check-in, there was a greeting, there was a gathering of ladies and you weren't involved. Correct. Was that Janet's house? Yeah. How did that make you feel? Are we still not welcomed when Janet's involved?

What's going on there? Janet is, she's a confusing little bird. Little bird. Yeah. So no, we have not spoken at all, but then there'll be these moments like at our finale party, she wanted to like sit next to me and show me pictures of her baby and said like,

you know, it'd be nice for you to come over sometime and we could just like talk. And then she does like her 17th podcast of the week. So as of that one podcast that she did with some dude claiming that I did not want her baby to come to full term, that's it for me. Like that's it. I absolutely will film with her.

I'm not, I will converse with her, but I don't have any desire to bring someone like that back in my life. Yeah. How did we get to that point? How did she, you know, like where did that even come from? She's pulling this out of thin air. Like where? Yeah, well how did she get to the point of being convinced?

So much so that she would publicly accuse you of such a thing. Someone that who just had a miscarriage and knows how traumatizing that is would wish that upon anyone. I think the confusing part too for you is that like you just had a miscarriage as a parent, anyone, like that's the worst thing you could go through.

And you wouldn't wish that upon your worst enemy. You wouldn't wish that upon anyone. And so this is also someone who's like at some point been a friend to you. And that you guys have had like nice moments recently talking about our kids. So then to hear that after the fact, you're like, wait, what?

That's so crazy. Yeah, like why am I being roped into this? Yeah, because you never, did you, you can tell us now. Did you say it? No, absolutely not. You wouldn't say it. Never in a million years. Have you confronted Janet about these accusations?

Just in the comment section. Against my better judgment. What did you do? What'd you say? I didn't miss those comments. Basically what Paige just said, I kind of like flew off the handle a little bit and said like, I literally just had a pregnancy loss.

Like, how dare you? I think that's when she responded and said, some brought Zach into the mix. But then like, what is it? So it was me and Zach and now it's Zach. And now like what? Just, I don't, I don't. My thing with Janet, and I've said this on the show

a million times and I still stand by it, is that, so I was good friends with Janet. We were friends, like I thought everything was great. We start filming the show and she, I just saw this, I don't know, I thought I saw a big change, but now I'm like, is this who she really is? And the person that I thought I knew was not really her. But whoever the person was that I was filming with,

who I thought was my friend, is not somebody that I want in my life. I think that once the season wrapped and she got to watch herself back, which can be very fucking humbling, she instead took this other road and started trying to act like shh, everyone did her so wrong, everyone did her so wrong,

which was just so crazy to me. Like watch yourself back, you look like an ass. You weren't nice, you thought you were the queen bee, you were a mean girl, you were just, I don't know, you were an ass. You weren't nice. You thought you were the queen bee. You were a mean girl. You were just, I don't know, you were an asshole. I mean, Zach did point out in that finale episode, he's right, it's a very mean girl thing to do to have someone on speaker phone

and have other people listening on. I'm not telling him. And not being aware of that. That's cruel. Yeah, exactly. And then to film that. Pink boots. I love how it had its own banner too.

It was like AKA crock of shit boots or something like that. That was really funny. But yeah, with Janet, I don't know. The finale was very frustrating because I literally never even had the opportunity to try to talk to her. And that is like, you know, yes, it was actually the soft opening of the bar, but we also know it is the finale of this season.

So you're trying to find resolution or at least, at least have conversations that go, okay, either we're like tabling this, we're putting a pin in it, because neither of us are ready to talk, or let's try to resolve. And she just sat in the corner with her little minions, made it next to impossible to communicate with. And then ever as things are airing,

she's realizing that people aren't looking at her the way she thought and hoped that they would. I feel like a lot of people were beating up on you because they felt like, just based off of, you know, earlier seasons of Vanderpump and everything, like, you were a villain at one point, and you were an easy target, you know? And I feel like they kind of felt like,

oh, we can throw Kristen out of the bus because she's the easy target. And like, you know, she was canceled at one point, so people will just like go along with what we say. And it's like not, it's so not fair. I feel like you were really ganged up on. And I think that from what I can see, like viewers were on your side and being like,

this is like, what are people talking about? This is crazy. They're very team Kristen from what I can see. Well, when she said, I forget which lovely family dinner it was, but at one of those family dinners, when she said, oh, crazy Kristen, I'm like, ah, that's cute. Now I see what we're doing.

So we're just going back and studying seasons one through three of Vanderpump Rules and then writing down. Yeah, interesting. That's how it felt. I don't obviously don't, I don't know. Maybe she was studying. Most likely it was probably like,

Case study on me. She was probably stealing from fan comments. Yeah. I'm guessing, you know, fans who have watched the Vanderpump in the past and referencing, you know, older Kristen. Yeah. And my guess is she was probably recycling and reusing that.

And like we're saying. Just be yourself, like just be yourself. That is good reality TV. Yeah. Like be authentic. Let's see what that looks like. There was a lot of like deflecting and lying. Like when Jessie was like,

I know it came from Kristin's mouth. But then you're gonna get mad and be like, are you texting people? Are you cheating on me? Like what's going on? And I'm like, wait, do we believe Kristin or do we not believe Kristin? Because you seem to believe Kristin.

Like you're gonna say that you don't. Yeah. Well, there's always say that you don't. Yeah. Well, there's always seems to be whether you get it totally right. At least you're not making it up. You're not totally wrong. Yeah. You're not totally wrong.

The delivery. There may be a moment where like, all right, let's just time out, pause, rewind, slow down. All right, tell a story again and make sure it's the same one. Yeah, yes. I guess we could probably do that. No, for sure.

Yeah. That's that's like Luke's emotive. Me. He's like, just slow down, like take a beat. Think about it, then say it like don't let your mouth move faster than your brain. Like, that's a good partner for you. And I also think that like something that you can see on the show is like if he's with the guys and they're all starting to try to, you know,

Jackson, whatever, trying to shit on you and say things about you, Luke always like, will stand up for you and be on your team. And then we'll try to come to you personally and be like, hey, maybe we could work on this and like, try to tell you how to like personally, but he's always sticking up for you. In front of other people.

Yeah, I really liked how in the finale, you went up to Michelle to talk, and Luke was getting pulled away. He's like, no, no, I want to keep cursing him out. He was like, I want to make sure she's OK. She's OK, yeah. And so I don't need to step in and do anything. I mean, it seems so simple, but that is how it should be.

And in my past relationships, especially doing reality TV, it has never been that way. Where, like, believe me, he's gonna cut... Well, you've seen one little clip of it, but, like, he's gonna come home and tell me, you know, what I, like, what his viewpoint was, how I could have handled it better, why they sucked, how I can handle it better in the future.

He takes criticism just as easily as he gives it, like, constructive criticism. But he'll never yell at me, embarrass me in front of other people. It's like, that's not the time or place ever. Yeah, I think that's a big thing that Nick and I always talk about. It's like, you support me in public and you have my back. And when we get home, you can be like, hey, this and this and this and this, like, wasn't the best, let's fix that. But in public around other people, like we are a united front. Yes.

And I feel like he definitely is on that path. Yeah, it's so important because I need to feel safe. Like that's, you know, you're my person. Yeah, your own person's against you. Right. How are Michelle and Jesse, from what you know? I don't talk to either of them. I watched Jesse on Watch What Happens Live.

Sounds like it's working out. It sounds like they're happier this way. Okay. Do you have any tea on like who she was talking to or who was the person she was dating a year ago or? So there's a lot of mixed stories. Because There's a lot of names being thrown out there. Chris is gonna start saying things that it's not gonna be the right,

she's like, no, I swear. Yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna say any names, but I will say, I will say the director person that they like weeped out, that was, to my knowledge, was never like a dating thing ever. That's what I thought too. That's not a celebrity situation.

It was just a work thing. That was a different thing. Yes exactly and then the celebrity thing that I feel Jax is really mixing up with the thing I was talking about those are also separate. So this celebrity thing I don't know anything about. The boy, your long boyfriend is different than the celebrity. Got it. The celebrity thing, my knowledge over a year ago was just that there was this celebrity guy who liked one of her Instagram photos, or her daughters, or something, or commented on it. And that was like it.

That is as much as I know about that. The thing I'm talking about and have been talking about is completely separate. And that person is Will never I don't even know honestly don't even remember his first name It just yes, I'm a dude and did Jesse know that she had like a boyfriend a year ago Not to my knowledge end up talking about that much especially in the Four year or a year ago. Yeah, they were married. Yeah

Curious of I just feel like there were so many, especially with Jax being involved, there were so many stories that they were so convoluted and like you, it was like, are we talking about one person, two, three, four? And everything kept getting bleeped out and it was like, who is what, where is, yeah. That was very confusing. What is your read on Jesse as a person?

So right before he did Watch What Happens Live, that episode that aired, I felt a lot of feelings for him. I felt really sad for him, that particular episode. I felt like maybe I was, I never gave him a chance. Michelle was my friend. I have known Jesse for many, many years, but he says we were friends for so long, like we weren't.

But watching the episodes and just seeing how distraught and how much he's actually trying opened up my eyes to a whole side that I wasn't aware of. Was he actually trying? I mean, I know he was sad and I know he didn't want to get divorced. And I don't know him personally. I only know what I've seen on the show. I just think there's a difference between saying you don't want to get divorced. And I don't know him personally, I only know what I've seen on the show.

I just think there's a difference between saying you don't want to get divorced, a la Jax Taylor. And saying that you want to fight for this relationship and actually changing. Like all Jesse did was take drugs and wear a beanie. Yeah, since the Ayahuasca trip. The beanie, it was the thing for me. Yeah, that was a lot.

You know, and it's just like, Yeah, I mean, I'm not there behind closed doors. I just, what I watched on the show made me like, feel for him and just feel for like the loss of I agree. His wife. That was hard to watch. And his daughter. That was sad.

It was a sad moment. But I think they're better off not together. But they've been doing like couples therapy and he had seemed to, they had seemed to be like, I don't know, at least more so than you see with Jax and Brittany like addressing issues and trying. I think it was too little too late was the problem. I think that was most like eye opening for me.

And I, you know, and I don't know these guys and I'm not trying to come from a place of like righteousness or like how I, you know, it's just, but throughout this season, Jax and Jesse in particular came across as guys who played the role of your stereotypical middle-aged, you know, kind of everything that, like your stereotypical kind of douchebag husband

who isn't all that, you know, who doesn't care all that much about being an active partner and raising your kids who are helping out. There was a scene yesterday where Michelle came and had like, it was after the six months check, right? And it was even unclear of like who was bringing who over. Like it was a Jessie having the visitation or it was kind of weird.

Cause like- She was going back to her house. Yeah, I don't know. But she was, yeah, I agree. And I understand it's a Jessie having the visitation, or it was kind of weird. She was going back to her house. Yeah, I don't know. But she was, yeah, I agree. And I understand it's a scene. And I understand it's reality TV. But there was this, you know, the scene where Jessie had poured himself like a whiskey

and put on these trousers or whatever. And it was like a stage scene that clearly kind of Jessie, it's at his house, so he set up and I'm assuming the producer's like, all right, yeah, sure, yeah, well, nice shot, Jesse. And he's sitting there. Like why aren't you in sweats? Not even, sure, there's that, that's also a fair question, but sitting there posing, sipping his whiskey,

having like this like James Bond moment. Meanwhile, his ex-wife and his child are there and she's like cutting her lunch and like getting her ready for whatever. And he's too busy trying to look cool. I don't know how else to read this. I don't know how else to perceive this. And it's just more, and I'm just kind of blown away.

You know, not like, I'm not telling what he should do, but it's just more like, and I don't want him blown away. You know, not like, not telling what he should do. But it's just more like, and I don't want him to be disingenuous. I don't want him to do it just because he thinks he'll look good. But like, isn't there a part of you just wants to be thought of as like an active father who like instead of like looking cool

in his trousers with his whiskey and having some sort of fireplace shot of him, that why isn't he like co-parenting with his ex-wife and just like talking about like their child's day? I mean, but part of the reason why they're divorced. No, I get it, but like... It's exactly that though. It's kind of the stuff Michelle,

go back to the very beginning of the season where Michelle's like the Capri party, remember, sophisticated, sophisticated. She's like, the Capri party, remember? Sophisticated, sophisticated. She's like, you say sophisticated one more fucking time. Yes. So that is part of... That's who he is. He just cares about appearances or something?

And that's part of the things Michelle was like, I don't, this isn't cute anymore. It was... I think she said he was like extremely attentive and present father like in during COVID, like I guess when she was first born, and now he's just like, walked further and further away from them.

Exactly. Which is that. Yeah. So I think they're better off not together. I'm just saying, watching, you know, watching a few of the episodes, I felt for him. Do you think Jesse-

It was nice to see. But I'm Jesse, but if I ever had an opportunity to interview Jesse, I'd wanna know, do you see what we see? Do you watch it back and think, kinda look like a douchebag there? Just like a douchebag move to pour yourself a whiskey, sit in front of a fireplace, and then that conversation that they proceeded to have,

it seemed like Jesse was being triggered by Michelle, demonstrating independence and strength, and just deliberately being difficult for the sake of being difficult to try to get under her skin. That's how it came across. I don't know what his intentions were, but like, it's just, again, you're not him,

and not that close with him, but why is he so insistent about acting that way? It's like Jax Taylor, I don't, it's like the only defense or explanation I get for Jax is like maybe he is this like really lost, maybe narcissistic sociopath, like I don't know, but like, but is that who Jesse is too? It's like Jesse does doesn't seem stupid. He seems somewhat self-aware. He's intelligent, yeah.

Why is he so hell-bent on being this guy? I do think that's just part of, yeah, I think it's not how he necessarily wants to appear on television. This is how he likes to appear. In life. In life, correct. How did you feel about seeing Michelle say

that you have cheated on Luke or your boyfriends? Yeah, so I was like, when that was last week's episode, I screen recorded it, sent it, because Luke hadn't watched it. He's not watched some. So I sent it to him and I was like, do you think this is a cliffhanger? Like the rest of them. So then we're waiting when I watch the finale, and then it's not even brought up again.

And I was like, let's square up. Show me, bring me receipts. Yeah. So you want to play? You said that to be damaging and you have nothing else. Yeah. I just, but I did think at first it was like out of context and then they were going to play it off differently. But also not even the Luke thing, but she said, Kristen cheats or cheated on all of her boyfriends. Tom Sandoval, that's it. That's it. Kristen's the biggest liar ever. Lied about sleeping with Jax behind Tom Sandoval's back.

What else did I lie about? Still waiting, right. Still waiting. Again, we've acknowledged that sometimes you get the truth a little messy, but it's not a lie. That waiting. Yeah. Again, we've acknowledged that sometimes you get the truth a little messy, but it's not a lie. That's very different. No, I'm just saying for Michelle to say,

and then, but then to also not, like when our producer says, are you saying, or are you alluding, or however he words it, that she cheated on Luke, and she goes, I don't know. I don't know, yeah. Say it, go for it.

It seems as though after filming though, Michelle has had a little bit, like what you were saying with Janet, like, have you watched this back? And like, do you feel like you've said things that you don't mean? You know, like... And we've talked about how Michelle has, like, taken accountability for... She made a comment about how, like, you shouldn't be a...

I shouldn't procreate, essentially. Yeah, how you shouldn't be a mom. And that's obviously very hurtful and a very mean thing to say. And she has since publicly, at least, apologized for saying that and been like, yeah, that was like a line I shouldn't have crossed and I feel bad for saying that. I wonder if she did it though,

because she got so much shit for it. Oh, you think? I don't know. I don't know. Because she does, I mean, Michelle's not the devil. So it could have resonated with her. But she also could have said it directly to you. Right. And not just like publicly, you know? Yeah, you never got a personal like, no.

Nope, no personal apology. That definitely matters. Yeah. How is season two gonna go? Oh geez. I mean like, we've got Jessie and Michelle who aren't together anymore, we've got J and Michelle, who aren't together anymore. We've got Jax and Brittany,

who Jax seems to be dating other people. We hope that is the same for Brittany. We've got Janet and Michelle, who are so upset and angry with you. I mean, like, how, where is this dynamic? We have Zach. We've got Zach. Zach has... And Jasmine and her girl, Jasmine's girlfriend,

Melissa, is gonna be filming now. She's gonna be on the show. Okay, good, fun. Very excited about that. Melissa's a lot like Luke, even killed. Janet will get more shit now that she's not pregnant. Like, do you think people were kind of holding back because she was pregnant and now it's like, you know what, no, let's now hand it to you.

Now you don't have the stress of pregnancy, but, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, my water's not gonna break. You can yell at me now. But knowing Janet, it's gonna be like, but I have a baby. I can't take the stress, because I have a baby. I'm breastfeeding, I can't.

You can't plant all these little things. Then don't be on reality TV. I'm sorry, it didn't go the way you planned. You asshat. Like, I mean, I don't hope I way you planned. Yeah. You asked that. Woo. Woo. Like, I mean, I don't hope I'm pregnant for the show. Obviously we're trying very hard to conceive. I just cannot imagine.

Yeah, are they gonna take it easy on you when you're pregnant? I have a hard time believing they're gonna care. Yeah, like filming and just being like, I can't even converse about this because I'm pregnant. Well, also, are they gonna take it easy on you? Are they gonna be like, you guys, Kristen doesn't need stress.

Let's not yell at her. Zero chance. Zero chance. Exactly. Anyone's gonna offer you any grace. No. If and when you and Luke are lucky enough to conceive again. Exactly, yeah. I'll film and then I'm like, acupuncture.

I'll go film, then I'm like this. Meditation. Yeah. Yeah. Can we talk about Lala for a second? Oh, sure. Lala recently, obviously Can we talk about Lala for a second? Oh sure. Lala recently, obviously we watched the reunion on Vanderpump and Lala has stressed authenticity

to her peers. To her peers. And then recently I believe she's been on her show talking about interactions between the two of you as it relates to your miscarriage. And it seems like some things have been not very clear in terms of like who said what. And there are some text messages she's like referenced,

but it seems like I'm getting the impression she's been less than totally authentic in terms of sharing what has been in those messages as it relates to like how she responded to your miscarriage and whether she actually stepped up as a friend. And do you have any things to add or share regarding that interaction? Have you ever talked about like why you guys

don't get along, like are in a little... She had talked about it on the Vanderpump after show. Oh. Briefly, you can hear Jeremiah, their producers say like, We talked about it on the Vanderpump After Show. Oh. Briefly, you can hear Jeremiah, their producer, say like, what are, like, what is going on with you and Kristen? And she brings up the whole interaction about Golnessa, Gigi. And this is where it just...

It's like, oh, God, people, uh, Lala, I can't with you. So we got into a fight, if you will. She stopped speaking to me because I did this live podcast. I was pregnant at the time. I didn't want to do it, but I didn't wanna back out last minute. So Luke and I went, lots of drunk people, not fun for me. I get on stage with Reza and Gigi from Shaws. Gigi and I have never gotten along since the day I met her.

She's never been nice to me. We don't fight. We just, we don't speak. We never have. And she had made some shitty comment about Lala's parenting because I guess Gigi's friends with Randall. I didn't even know that. So there was like a live streaming video and I'm sitting between Gigi's friends with Randall. I didn't even know that. So there was like a live streaming video

and I'm sitting between Gigi and Reza. And I even say a few times, like, why am I sitting in between you two? And she makes some comment and I just like, you can see me like lean back and I'm like uncomfortably laughing and like looking at Reza. But it's more of like, if you watch it, I've watched it.

It's more of like, you don't see that and think she's laughing at that situation. She kind of just looks like, like, I don't want to be up here right now. This is like, what the hell are you saying? And sorry, I didn't turn what Lala expected me to do was to turn to DG and say, like, that's fucked up. Don't talk about my friend like that. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And you're like, in hindsight. Yeah. Right. Sorry.

Yeah. I was like, I even did. Yes. But like, again, does like Lala, would she ever stick you should, if that's how you want it. I was like, I even did, yes, but like again, does like, Lala? Would she ever just like stick up for me in that way? Do the shit like that? Right, exactly, no. Yeah. But anyways, go ahead.

But I don't, yeah. But either way, it took me a bit to think about it in hindsight, okay, I see that that would, if I just would have said like, listen, don't do this in front of me, or something like that. It's also like a live freaking podcast with like all these people on stage.

I was uncomfortable. You're gonna, what, you're gonna on a live start a fight? I know. And put yourself on an island while you are pregnant? So, I find out per Britney that Lala says, I'm dead to her because of this. So I tried reaching out to her, never spoke to her. She sent me a text after the pregnancy loss, which was just after that live podcast, just saying

like, heard about your loss. Sorry, sorry for your loss, something like that. I didn't write back. A while later, I realized that I have all these DMs from Gigi. So I engage and like we're both being nice to each other, but I'm just like, I didn't like the way that went down. You and I have never gotten along. I probably should have said something. I didn't want to get involved, blah, blah, blah. I screenshot the messages, text them to Lala,

and said, just want you to know, like I... Try to have it back. Yeah, this is me trying. And her text back to me was like, essentially she doesn't give a shit. Like, she's like, Gigi's so below me, this is nothing, I don't even care about this. Like, I'm sure you and I will be homies again one day.

But not yet? Right. And she's like, I'm just, you know, looking out for my baby and the peace of my baby, and I think you could understand that. And I said, you know what, I absolutely do. That is exactly how I felt that day. And I said, and some people are meant to be friends

for a season, a reason, or a lifetime, and I think you and I are friends for a season. And she goes, great. And that was it. Wow. And I don't need that in my life either. It's, I feel like friendships with Lala come with so many conditions.

It's so conditional and so many just, if you do this, then you're on a good side. If you do this, the way she like tried to trash Brittany on their reunion blew my mind. Kentucky Muffin was one of the harshest things I've heard anyone ever say about anyone ever on reality TV. I mean, that was Lisa's, wasn't that Lisa's name for a while?

Yeah. But do you, I've heard there are all the rumors that like Sheena and La La are leaving Vanderpump and coming over to your show. Is that happening? How do you feel about that? How would you feel about that? I'm so happy that our creator Alex Baskin

just recently did an interview with Hollywood Reporter and he said, keeping our cast, our cast is bursting at the seams, that our creator Alex Baskin just recently did an interview with Hollywood Reporter and he said, keeping our cast, our cast is bursting at the seams, we're not bringing anybody over. Yes, we don't need them, we did it on our own. You don't need it. And also I feel like that would feel,

then you having them coming from this show that's huge and has been on there for so long coming in, it's like your cast has worked hard on their own to start something new and different. I would love for shorts to pop over on an episode or something. But it's not my fault that Sheena and Lala decided to buy two houses each.

Period. What are your, I mean, did you have any opinions about the Venner Punch reunion in terms of specifically? I mean, Sheena, I actually kind of empathize with her. I feel like sometimes like you, Sheena will say things that puts herself in sticky situations, which sure, she needs to be, I guess, held accountable for it or address it, or at least people are going gonna have opinions about it. But I always feel like Sheena's heart's in the right place

and she wants to be friends with people. Yeah, sometimes. I like that she's like calling herself on those things too. At the reunion I thought it was one of her best moments just kind of when she admitted that I want. She's like, I like to be liked. The validation for Dancing with the Stars. Yes, what a vulnerable thing to say,

and it just made her. And very honest, and that really what it is. No, yeah, I totally agree with that. With Lala, it doesn't seem like it's show friends, it's show business, you know? It's like she only really doesn't, all her friendships seem transactional. Yes, that's how I felt watching it.

And it also feels like, at the end of the day, it's about her bottom line. And so it's just hard to listen to her lecture other people about like friendships and loyalty or boundaries. Especially Ariana, especially Ariana. I have such beef with that because it's like, and everyone says that, the whole internet is saying,

it's like, so Lala, the you and Randall thing, you can create these boundaries, but Ariana can't. Yes, we all understand there's a custody battle. Yes, we all understand that you have a daughter on the line. We do understand that those things are separate. However, Ariana is going through something too. Just because that is more bigger to you doesn't mean what Ariana was going through

isn't big to her. It's also like, listen, life isn't fair. And in the reality TV game, you know, in terms of celebrity and fan favorites and likability and popularity, it's not fair. You know, like, it's just, yeah. I mean, there are plenty of times, my time on TV, where I said or did something or someone else did

or said something that felt pretty similar to me and the audience reacted very differently. It was like, what are you gonna fucking do? But like Lala seems to be ruining her relationships and like we talked about before, almost seemingly like risking the show itself, trying to save the show while creating so much divide between Ariana and Katy,

it just seems kind of like poor decision-making for Lala. And it's like, why can't she see that? She cares more about making a show than making their show, than holding onto the authenticity of the friendships. And if the friendships aren't, don't make it about business. There's such a fine line between breaking the fourth wall and just like running it over with like a bulldozer.

And I think she crosses that line at times and then retracts it as well. Like talking to Ariana about like, if you're thriving and you know, you don't need the money, well like I do, you know that kind of moment where she was like, well you know, like mama needs the money and mama needs to work and so you want, you're basically saying you want everyone,

especially Ariana to just perform on this television show so you keep getting a paycheck. Right. Is how it felt. It seems like Ariana also, like, you know, her baby, where she was, yeah, she looked so genuinely excited and happy, and like, happier than anyone else in that room.

It was so genuine. It was like, she's showing up for her, and she's like so happy for her, and wants all these things for her, and is trying to be like a good friend, and then knowing what you know as you're watching you're like it's really sad that she's totally turned on her and been like you're you don't care about the show you don't care about this and she's like I do I do care but yeah and I loved Katie on the reunion like bow down

yeah oh Katie was so good she was and I've known Katie, like we've been, God, we became like BFFs back in like 09. I've known Katie for sure the longest of all the girls. She's exactly who she is. Always consistent. Yeah. Always. Yeah. We definitely have a few more questions for you, but it is time for texting office hours

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select podcast in the survey and select our show in the drop down menu that follows. How's it going? Hi Nick, my name is Nina and I am 29 years old and I would love to know if there is a way that I could encourage my husband to want to have kids as much as I do. Okay, so when you say you encourage your husband to want to have kids as much as you do, does he want to have kids? Does he not want to have kids?

Yeah, so before he got married we talked about all that stuff. Like the kids are definitely on the table. But I feel like I have grown, I think we were both neutral at that point where we loved our lives so much together that we'd be okay if we didn't have kids. But like we kind of were like, but we'll probably have kids. And now since we've been married, I'm more like, yeah, I definitely want kids. And it's like a really happy thought for me. But, and I can give more background on this, but I think for some reasons, I think it's harder for him maybe to get excited. I first and foremost want to say I feel like I'm married to like the most wonderful man on the planet. And he's so selfless and kind.

So like, I feel like I'm so blessed that thing this is almost nitpicking. And I don't want it to come across like he's failing me in some way because he's not, because he's not telling me he doesn't wanna have kids. Like I just, if I could tip the scales for him to like share in that excitement and this planning process, if there's something I could say or do or be or a way I could bring it up to him, I'd love to know

or get advice on that. It's tough because it's tough to figure out a way to make someone feel a certain way without manipulating the situation a little bit, you know, right? Because it's like it's like that classic. I want you to want to do the dishes You know, yes But I mean so we live in a tough area Financially, it's hard Back in 2008. I was busy in middle school and I wasn't saving I didn't buy a house so it's just that how I was busy in middle school and I wasn't saving, I didn't buy my house. So it's just the housing market is tough out here and he's in a job he doesn't love, it's

very demanding. And so he has said, I just feel like I can't be the father I want to be right now with that scenario. But I also, you know, he's been applying for jobs and he's incredible, but just his resume doesn't get him through the door. But that said, I wish I could encourage him, even if that doesn't change, I know you're still gonna be an amazing father. So I think the job part is a big thing for you. How old's your husband?

He's 29. He's 29, okay. Well, I can just say just in general, I think for maybe a lot of people, but as a guy, I can speak somewhat for men. I think it can be very unsettling to feel like you're not settled professionally and to want to be a father in the support of husband. Whether you are adding pressure or not, it really has nothing to do with anything you're doing. I just think sometimes men could add that pressure on themselves feeling like, I'm not where I want to be or

need to be. And like your husband has said, like how can I be the partner and the father if I'm so stressed out on trying to get the job I want? And if I don't have the job I want, I'm just going to be kind of miserable my whole life. And like, I don't think there's a clear answer to that because you're right, there's no guarantees that he's ever gonna find the dream job that he really wants at the same time. Like what, are you gonna put your whole life on hold for that, you know, something that you can't predict?

Yeah, because I don't know what that journey is gonna look like for us either. Like, as much as it'd be nice to wait for us to be more financially settled, like what happens if we wait and I could get pregnant our first try, I could have struggled and you know what happens I don't know like all those unknown things that like feels like the pressure of time I don't want to put that on him it's just I don't biology I don't know

if I have the choice not to either. Sure you're only 28. Not that I'm not a doctor, so I don't wanna like, but. I'm 29, I turned 30 next year, but yeah, 29. Okay. If I could say something. Please, yeah. It sounds like you and your husband are a very sweet couple and are very supportive and you're very much in tune with what the other person feels and wants and thinks.

And it sounds like you guys have a great partnership. So I think you are set up to be great parents. And even if like sometimes one person's on the fence, like my husband wasn't totally gung-ho. He's an only child. And he's like, I think we had our first kid, and he was like, this is great. I don't think I want to have more kids.

And I really wanted to have more kids. It was like, I really want to have at least another kid. I don't want to have an only child. And he was like, okay. And then we got pregnant. And he was like, okay, and then we got pregnant and he was like, I think a little apprehensive and nervous. And like, he's totally the best dad in the world and like loves his favorite thing in the world

is being a dad and is so hands on. So I think that like, it's normal to feel those worries and like, I'm not settled, I want to be in the best place that I can be before that happens. And I think that like, as long as you guys are settled and figured out, like you'll help each other and balance each other out. And it sounds like you guys are really like sweet and good people that like you should have a kid if you both want to have a kid. Like I think you'll figure it out. And a lot of the time people do. And it doesn't sound like you guys are

in complete opposite ends of the spectrum here, where you're like, this is gonna be a lot of pressure on us. I think it's also like, you might not always be in the exact right perfect position if you keep waiting. That time might not come, like Nick was saying. You might not get the job or whatever. So I'm curious, I want wanna ask you, in your mind, as someone who's approaching 30,

and I don't know how you feel about that, but do you have a soft timeline in your head when you specifically would like to at least pull the goalie, so to speak, and start trying and being like, hey, let's see what happens. Knowing, granted, now that I did that, and a week later she found out she was pregnant. So for all the friends and being like, hey, let's see what happens. Knowing, granted, like Natalie and I did that and a week later she found out she was pregnant. So for all the friends to be like,

oh no, it took so long and it's hard. And we understand it can be difficult, but you just, you have to be prepared for the positive test. Yeah. What would that timeline look like for you? Yeah, so we were actually thinking about trying this fall, but that was when I initially first called you. what it might look like for you? Yeah, so we were actually thinking about trying this fall,

but that was when I initially first called you. We were still debating whether to wait a little longer. But then we're going to Japan, and then I think I'd love to get Europe into before I get pregnant. So in my perfect timeline, I think then that solidified. We could wait until next spring to at least start trying. That's, you know, it could be the first time. I think as of now, tell her high water, like whatever it looks like, whatever the job situation looks like, I think we're going to go then.

I think my one hesitation is I don't want that to be something that's happening to my husband. I want to do it with my husband. But like, it's so unfair for me to even say that because he's never made me feel that way. And even he said like, just give me some time and I think I can get there. When we made that decision, like he said, I think I could get there to get that excited. It's like, as a woman, it's not like a fun answer to hear like, you know, to like talk yourself and to be excited. But like my husband is willing to do that for me.

I'm so grateful. So that's the timeline that we were thinking. And you know, we had to do some extra Uber Eats on the weekends to afford some diapers. I guess we'll do it. You're never really like, they always say, you're never really ready to have it again, I guess. Well, that kind of to Paige's point, I mean, I guess it would be perfect if, again, your

partner shared in your enthusiasm for kids. I've always wanted to be a father and when Natalie chose to surprise me about the pregnancy test, I failed that test, did not have the reaction that she anticipated and no one will ever see that video. River will. I will show you. Amazing. Mom, I hate you, Dad.

Let me show you something. Can I weigh in a tiny bit too? Yeah, please. River will, I will show you. Amazing. Mom, I hate you. Dad, let me show you something. Can I weigh in a tiny bit too? Yeah, please. So I'm not a mom yet, trying to conceive, but if at all you're worried about, or just not worried, but unsure about, like, let's say you guys start trying and all of a sudden you might run into some issues.

I think if you haven't done it, it would be very helpful for both of you to go to your OB and on like your 12th, 13th day of your cycle, have them check out your follicles. Just, you know, see where you're at with it because that way if all is well, your doctor's gonna be able to tell you exactly that. If there's a possibility of running into an issue in the future, at least you guys now have the awareness that when you do wanna start trying, you're not gonna be hit with like a ton of bricks going, well, you might have to do A, B, C, D, and E.

That's a good point. Or you should've tried earlier or something like that. Yeah. I had a friend who struggled for a while and she told me that they wouldn't even see her until she'd been trying for a year. So maybe she's just had like not the best OBGYN, maybe they were like harsh on her,

but that's another thing like, could I be struggling to lose like a whole year before I find out there's no issue? Like, yeah. I think that's if you're like actively trying. If you're like actively trying, nothing's happened for a year, then they'll be like, okay, let's come in.

But if you're just being, you know. You just want to see what's going on. Yeah. Just see if you have, you know, enough follicles and yeah. And that's, and if he, you know, if he's open to going with you, that was something new for my boyfriend going to an OB with me, but it, it raised his level of excitement. Like this is really real. This is crazy. So just like food for thought to have a conversation about. Also, just like, there's plenty of men out there who say they don't wanna be fathers, who somehow become fathers, and love being fathers.

I haven't heard a lot of situations where men are kinda like, you know, I'm gonna be ready to be a father someday, don't know if I'm ready yet, they're kind of on the fence, kinda like your husband, and then like hate being fathers. I was gonna say the same thing though. Like it doesn't sound like, it sounds like pretty normal for a guy, like usually a guy gets more excited when you are pregnant, or like they also even

during pregnancy sometimes are like, this is weird, and then once the baby's here they're like, oh my gosh, this is, like that's when they get excited. Yeah, totally. You know, you have like the nine months and the, you know, the trying and all's here, they're like, oh my gosh, that's when they get excited. You know? You have like the nine months and the, you know, the trying and all that stuff that you're like really thinking about it. So I don't know, he sounds like a great guy.

He sounds like he'd be a good dad. Sometimes we just want the picture perfect situation. And it makes sense. Like having such a big thing for a couple, you're like, is it a, you know, and since there is no, they're not operating any kind of deadlines, it's like she's not even like, oh, I have to do it now.

And she's trying to figure out the timeline. So ideally it would be nice if everyone's just like, you know, she mentioned Europe. Yeah, take your year, go travel together. But even then she's almost like looking at Europe. Is this like, well, why would we go to Europe if you're not excited to go to Europe as I'm as excited? So like, should we go to Europe now or not go to Europe?

Or we should wait to go to Europe until you're really as excited? I just don't think having kids the same way because nothing can ever really mentally prepare for that moment, especially as men. Because like, you know, when we found out Natalie was pregnant, it's kind of like, well, what's different?

Yeah. It was barely even different for Natalie at first because you immediately, you know, and then when she starts experiencing changes, it's just like, all right, well, I guess, let me know when it's supposed to feel different for me. Josh always wanted kids, but I also think that, you know, like he works and he has the pressure

of like supporting our family and his mom and all these things and he's like, oh, it's a lot of pressure. Like, I don't know if I'm there yet. Like, I don't know if I'll feel comfortable. And then we got pregnant and he's like, okay, like you make it work and you do it if that's what you want. But yeah, it is, I get the apprehension for sure.

And I get, especially on his part, but it didn't seem like, you know, if she was like, he doesn't want kids and now I really want kids, I'd be like, okay, that's- That's a little different. That's a little different. But if he's like, I'm just not ready't seem like, you know, if she was like, he doesn't want kids and now I really want kids, I'd be like, okay, that's, that's a little different. But if he's like, I'm just not ready yet, like, eh, we'll get there. Yeah, it's like uncertain.

And give him a chance to maybe find that dream job. Yeah. You know, cause it is. That's hard, yeah. Yeah, cause like once you get pregnant and once you guys have a kid. It's stressful. You don't feel like you're in a position

to take big risks. Risks, totally. But if he's really that unhappy, it also could add to the like, I'm not sleeping, I don't like going to my job, I actually wanna be home and I don't wanna miss all of the fun things with my kid to be at this job that I hate.

Like, yeah, that would be hard. Just keep looking for the job. Keep trying before the baby comes. She lost a connection, but we finished that call. I crushed that. Yeah, crushed it. Kristin, how do you want to wrap this up? Any final thoughts?

What do you want to, Paige, did Kristin get out what she wanted to get out? Oh yeah, let me think, sorry. I'm her, is there any more stories I have to tell on behalf of you? I know, I'm like, Paige, do we need anything else? Yeah. Anything else you want to say?

I think it was a great first season. Yeah. I think so, too. I think, you know, I remember at first you were like a little worried about being back on Bravo. And I think that that's like the perfect, that's the only place it could have been. You know, I think you, you know what I mean? Like I feel like you're like, oh no, this is where I used to be in PTSD type of stuff.

But I think it was like perfect. Should we talk about the loop we threw, Luke through the other day? Oh yeah. What did you do? Chris, it's so psycho. I love you. But you're nuts.

Poor Luke. What did you do, Kristen? Paige and her sister and I were hanging out at her house because Luke's gone and I'm like, yeah, I get to like spend time in Manhattan Beach and have girly time with the kids. And how did we even get on the subject of being engaged? I don't know.

I think I was just like, do you think that marriage and like, you know, cause we're talking a lot about the kids and trying and I was like, is marriage something you guys want? No pressure, but just curious. And you were like, you know, cause we're talking a lot about the kids and trying, and I was like, is marriage something you guys want? No pressure, but just curious. And you were like, oh for sure. And your sister's like, where's your bachelorette party gonna be?

Yeah, my sister cares about the true. Speaking it like into existence kind of a thing. Yeah, well it became a topic of like, you know, Luke's comfort of now he has the added element of the show. Will it be something you guys wanna do on the show? Is it not gonna, you know, Luke's comfort of, now he has the added element of the show. Will it be something you guys wanna do on the show? Is it not gonna, you know, and so Kristen then threw Luke for, he was like at a bar watching basketball or something

and Kristen's texting him about engagement and he's like freaking out being like, wait, what? Like, what are you? I was like, hey babe, so I'm with Paige right now, Paige and Taylor, and I really don't think I want you to propose on the show. And he's like, I'm sorry, what? What the fuck are you talking?

We ended the... Out of nowhere. Out of nowhere? Not that we haven't talked about it, of course we have. Of course, Paige is like, does he know what kind of ring you want? Like, does he know this? I was like, yeah. All of it. But I was like, I really don't think that I wanna do it on the show. And I forget what he said, but he was like, can we talk about this like in person?

Like another time? Maybe at a different time. So Luke bless his heart, like we have, I don't know how we do it, but our sense of humor could not be more opposite. He's very dry. He doesn't, sarcasm is not his thing. And so when I'm saying stuff like this, even though we're like actually having this conversation.

Well, Tex is also tough. Well, Chris had also told him like, oh, when he called, she was like, we were just joking. And I'm like, you weren't joking. Like, this wasn't a joke. It's just like laughing. And he's like, I don't get the joke.

And I'm like, because it's not a joke. Like she's being serious. She's trying to tell you about how she wants to get engaged. And she's laughing at them. Do you want to get engaged on the show, I don't get the joke. And I'm like, because it's not a joke. Like she's being serious. She's trying to tell you about how she wants to get engaged. And she's laughing about it. Do you want to get engaged on the show? I don't. You don't?

I don't. Why not? But I know that that's the reality of it. Sharing that part of your- Yeah. I guess why not? I don't, I guess it's like, if I could just have the people I want around for real and it didn't have to be.

Tom Sandoval would be there to help. You'd pay for the whole thing. Mr. Engagement Planner. My God, I bet Luke would text him too. No, I'm just kidding. Luke really likes Tom. They have him? Interesting.

Yeah, he does. What part? He doesn't know him on like a real friend, friend basis, so he's like, he's fun to hang out with, kind of a guy. I don't, it's like, you know, depending on what episode you listen to, I think some people think I've become a Sandoval apologist. I just, like kind of like the Jaxx thing we talked about.

Right. Tom Sandoval. But if like, if you don't know Tom on like, like you don't have history with him and you like know him, know him, you know what I mean? It's quite different than your Luke who hangs out with him at the bar, like goes to Schwartz and Sandy's and Tom's like, yeah, man, let me get you a drink. With like Tom Schwartz as well.

If he's not dating your sister or a friend of yours or someone who's like you're concerned about their emotional health, then Tom Sandoval is a totally fun hang. And that's what I say with Tom. And I'm curious what you think, as someone who knows him and dated him and whatever, someone who also knows Tom Sandoval, we were talking about this,

where it's just, and this is the difference between Jack Stahler. Tom Sandoval has a moral compass. It's very unique. It's a Tom Sandoval moral compass. It's I think one that most people wouldn't subscribe to. Correct. But it's his.

It's his, yeah. And he has a... The ego overpowers. Yeah. But like he lives by this compass and it's, you know, he has his own version of what he thinks right and wrong is. Correct. Where Jax Taylor doesn't have a moral compass.

Right. He doesn't think about right or wrong or good or bad or how is this gonna affect people. I think Tom sometimes loses sight and selfishly will conveniently not think about how it affects other people, a la Scandival. But at least he does want to be, often fails at it, a good person.

Yeah, that is such an excellent way toward it. I agree. I'm actually shocked that Luke and Tom get along. I feel like Luke does not like any of your exes. Also because Tom said it was so eccentric and Luke seems the opposite of not. When I first met- Luke seems like the most unlikely person

to ever find himself on reality television. A hundred percent. That's why I'm like, how is he doing with this transition? Like when I first met him, he came down to my parents' house and they were having like a barbecue with all my siblings and like friends and Kristen and Luke came in and Luke came in and was just like, hi, how are you?

And like very serious. And I was like, oh. Was that when your sister got engaged or? Maybe, I don't know. No, that was the second time. And he was like, just very like, hi, how are you? And just looked like he didn't wanna be there. And I was like, oh, maybe just take some minute to warm up,

but okay, interesting. And then he sat and he talked with my dad and my brother and Will. He was talking about sports, golfing, fishing. Hunting and all these things that my dad and my brother like, and then he came over sports, golfing, fishing. Hunting and all these things that my dad and my brother like. And then he came over and he's like, I really have to apologize.

Every time Kristen says she's gonna introduce me to someone, it's been Jacks or people from the show. And I'm just like not, it's very weird for me. He's like, I didn't know we were coming to be with your family and hang out with people who like to talk about the things I like to talk about. So he warmed up. He finally warmed up to us. But that's why I'm like, he just the things I like to talk about. So he warmed up, he finally warmed up to us.

But that's why I'm like, he just doesn't seem like, it's crazy that he, but it. But yeah, I think with Luke and Tom Sandoval, it's like Tom's ego and attention seeking behavior doesn't bother Luke yet, because Luke hasn't been around Tom long enough to. Or it hasn't been a victim of it. It hasn't intersected.

Yeah. Like I used to think it was so cute. Why do you think they dated Tom? He's always been just like this. I used to think it was so endearing. But see, I find Tom Sandoval to be harmless because I know what to expect from him and more importantly, I know what not to.

Yeah. And so I never. Very good point. Expect him to do something where I know almost certainly if I continue to expect something, he will disappoint me. And it's just like, but if you need a ride from the airport, if you want someone to throw a party, or like do a favor, he's the best guy for that.

You know? He's the guy. He's the guy, you know? And he'll be a cool hang. Yeah, that is such an excellent point and Jax is just like You never know what you're gonna get. Yeah, totally unpredictable No concept of right or wrong. Right or wrong. Yeah, not at all. Yeah, what a great guy These are your friends

How are you in are you and Sheena cool, yeah, I mean, no issue. We don't really hang out. I don't know. Yeah. She's just too busy paying for those houses. She's just, yeah, I don't know. There's, it's like the her and the lala and the glitz and the glamour of it all, the like, the events and the look at me.

And it's just, I like being at home I like dive bars I like mostly just being at home so like that's just not a world that I can live in. Well here's a question for you I know Alex has said hey our cast is full we're popping at the seams we're good do you think if given the opportunity Sheena and Lala would jump at the opportunity to be on the valley? Oh my god Yeah, you do they would leave Vanderpump to come over to your they don't have they wouldn't have to because Vanderpump's not hiatus That's true They don't have a job if they were like if you leave this show to come over to our show and be like they couldn't be full-time

Cast members of both shows. Do you think that I'm done? I don't know about Vanderpump being done. I change my mind a lot pretty often because I think there is a world where they take this hiatus, they truly take a break, and revisit where everyone is at because right now it's just gonna be Scandival. It's gonna be, why won't Ariana talk to Tom

who's actually forgiving Tom? It's just not enough time has passed. So I do see a world that if they all want to come back, you know, in six months, nine months, I think there's a world where Vanderpump could come back. I think there's a 100% chance it comes back. And I think there's a 60% chance Ariana doesn't. Right.

I think they're probably just giving them some time to like create some other storylines. Just like breathe, live your life. Live your life. Looking to replace Ariana. You know, I mean, I think they would take Ariana back. It's just what she wanted to do.

I think there's a part of me that thinks, I think the show would take her back because they would have to, because how do you say no to someone who's that popular and that liked? But I think there's people at Bravo or even the production company that like kind of seek, I think there's people secretly hoping

that Ariana moves on and that they almost are forced to figure out a way to make it work without her. Because it's kind of where it's forced. I mean she is moving on for a while. She's in Fiji, then she's doing Chicago again. And you know, Dan lives in New York. She just bought her house here. So she gets to live, after Fiji,

gets to live that bi-coastal dream that she has and deserves to have and live. And I still, I think it's just gonna be impossible to know until after all that is said and done to see where she's at in her life and if she has that desire. But yeah, I definitely, I think the best thing that Vanderpump could do right now is take this hiatus.

They have nothing else to talk about. It's just gonna be playing on a loop. And you guys are filming soon, right? You start back up soon. Yeah. And they're keeping everyone? I'm guessing about a month or something like that. Your whole cast is coming back?

Yeah, and then Jasmine's girlfriend will be on the cast. I hope Zach's boyfriend gets to appear once in a while. He doesn't live here, but I think that'll be really fun. Yeah. Well, you need to get Brittany a boyfriend before you guys start filming. I know, I'm like, my wheels are burning. I'm like, who the hell?

You can just go on dates. Just dates, yeah. I just need to see Jax have to respond to Brittany dating. Yeah, I think the reason Jax is so angry right now is because he, I don't even know if it's about him wanting to be with Brittany, or it's he just doesn't want Brittany to not be with him. He doesn't want to lose control.

He doesn't, yes, yes. I think he's been always, I think it seems like Jax always is, it seems like Jax always felt in control of Brittany. Oh, and when he's out of. Whether he actually was or wasn't. Well, in life in general, in anything. I mean, obviously it's not fun to lose control

in any part of your life. It can, I don't handle things like that very well, And obviously it's not fun to lose control in any part of your life. I don't handle things like that very well, but Jax handles it probably worse than anyone I know. So if he doesn't have handle of the bar, if he doesn't have handle of the relationship, not his son, but pretty much everything else, it's like he starts panicking,

but refuses to find a way to not feel that way all the time. Is Jax like a hands-on dad? Is he a good dad and like very present? Yeah, I feel like that's what you said before. So Janet's dead to you. Is there a future for you and Michelle for next season? I don't know. I don't know.

I'm so shocked on the way that my friendship break up with Michelle Wynne because we were really, really close. But I feel like the person that I've been watching, and I'm not saying she's not acting like herself, but just like, that's not really someone I want in my life when I'm trying to like have a baby and create my own family. And I'm just seeing things from a very different lens

these days, rather than just like, be friends with everyone, this is my cast. It's like, you know, I'm down to things from a very different lens these days rather than just like, be friends with everyone, this is my cast, it's like, you know, I'm down to hear everyone out, I wanna see how Michelle's, you know, changed or maybe become better since the divorce, yeah, with less stress on her plate. I don't know if she and I make sense though.

I would like to have a conversation with Jesse for sure. I mean, I- What would you like to say to him Jesse I had sent a text to right around that time of like we need to watch what happens live and I just said it was nice to see like a more vulnerable side of him in the way that he was apologizing to Danny when they were in Big Bear and He wrote a really nice text back as well

So it was it was kind of like the dust had settled. There was no more like, if I see him at Jax's bar, we're gonna be like avoiding each other. He's gonna give me dirty looks or something. Like we're grown. So I think that would be really interesting just to have a conversation with him. And he did apologize for all of the hotheaded words

that he had said to me over the season. Felt very genuine. But Janet, I'm very curious to hear her out when we start filming. Do you think she'll open up and... I just want to be like, what in the actual hell is going on with you? And where are you at now?

You speak, I will listen, and then it'll be my turn. But no, I'm not a fan, not at all. Yeah. She does give Mean Girl energy. Yeah. Yeah, I wonder if- It's gonna be a hot, hot summer in Valley, guys. Very hot.

We can't wait. We can only hope. Yeah, and also thank you just to the Valley in general for the restaurant recommendations. They've been really good for Natalie and I. We didn't get out much and now we're like, oh, that place looks cute. We should go there. We should go to the Valley.

We should go to the Valley. Four seconds away from us. Have you guys been to Jack's bar? No. We have not. It feels disingenuous for me to show up. I've been so hard on them and I don't wanna, and I was't wanna,

and I was literally thinking about this watching it last night, like should I stop in? It just almost, it feels too phased to like show up uninvited, I know it's a public place, but I've been so critical of him. It just feels dirty. I feel like he's there a lot. And then he would ask you for a photo.

He would ask me for, I'd be like, why you have me blocked on Instagram? Sounds kind of fun. But I would, I would, I would love to have him on the show and create a safe space for him to try. And with the intent of having, I wouldn't have him on just to be like, why are you a piece of shit?

I would just be like, why do you do what you do? And doesn't, like at some point, don't you wanna be talked about in a different way? Does he do interviews, podcasts other than his own? I don't know if I've ever heard him. I don't know. Wants to control everything, yeah. Yeah, control the narrative, so probably not.

Yeah, interesting. That would be good. Yeah, I don't see it happening. I haven't been to his place. It feels hypocritical. Have you been to Schwartz and Sandy's? We have, yeah. You have?

And thank God now they have more than just cherry ketchup. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah, I've really grown to Schwartz. He's a charming fuck. Yeah, he's the best. I'm obsessed with him. I love him to pieces.

Have you been to something about her? We've not. We haven't yet. We need to go. I have. Chef's Kiss. He has. You have to.

So good, yep. I ordered two sandwiches. I ate half of one and then ordered another one to go. So good. Oh my God, we have to go. We'll go. Let's go this week. Let's go.

Okay. We need support. Yeah, just text Katie and walk to the front so you're not waiting in line. Yeah, the lines have been insane. Still? Is it still? Yeah.

Well, it was Pride weekend, so. Oh, yeah. But yeah. Hot commodity. Mm-hmm. All right, Kristen. It's great to have you. Great to see you.

Thanks, Ned. Glad to hear you well. Thanks so much. Congratulations to you and Luke. Thanks, Natalie. Of course. Would you announce your pregnancy on the valley if you were to become pregnant again?

I don't know if, I have this thing, okay you guys really quick, I have like a mom thing about like you wait till 12 weeks, blah, blah, blah, because I did not wait and then that happened. So then I'm like, so I probably should wait. I'm not like a gender reveal party girl. I'm not like group baby moon girl. I definitely wanna know the gender,

but I'm not gonna be like, okay, everyone come over. We have all the balloons. Everyone dress in pink and blue. And it's just like not my thing. Like we would do one just for ourselves. That's what Nick and I do. So maybe, I don't know. I won't know until.

Okay, just as long as you have the baby moon and not invite Janet. In Colorado. And have that be an episode. 100%. Yeah, absolutely. We absolutely need that. Yeah, she's not invited to my baby moon.

You heard it here first. Great, love. My future baby moon. Kristin, wishing you all the best. Thank you so much. Thanks for coming on. Always great seeing you. Congratulations on being back on TV and can't wait for season two.

Yeah, thank you Paige to be my emotional support friend. Me and Gibson. All right, well thank you guys for listening. Don't forget to send in those questions at asknick at TheVileFiles.com for all things texting, office hours. We are back on Monday for an exciting, jam-packed episode

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But I think it's a very interesting listen. So if you haven't checked it out, be sure to check that out. It is available on the feed. And yeah, next week, going deeper, Wes Wilson. It's a doozy. You won't want to miss it. See you then. Bye. you