The Viall Files - E761 RR - Summer House Reunion, Perfect Match w/ Kaz, Sandoval Drama, and Traitors Cast

Episode Date: June 11, 2024

Welcome back to reality recap. Today we discuss all of the drama… ranging from Billie Lee slamming Sandoval’s new girlfriend, West Wilson getting grilled during the Summer House Reunion Part 1, Traitors cast announcement, and Jesse Lally having an affair with Anna Nicole Smith. Meanwhile, Kaz Bishop, from The Perfect Match zooms in! What’s it like back on TV, who does he want to match with, and does he regret anything?  “All I'm hearing is you’re a bottom feeder”  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Shopify - Sign up for a one-dollar-per-month trial period at https://www.shopify.com/viall  Brooklinen - Visit in-store or online at https://www.Brooklinen.com and use code VIALL for $20 off your order of $100 or more. Life360 - Visit https://www.Life360.com and use code VIALL to get one month of the gold package for free, plus 15% off all Tiles. Helix Sleep - Helix is offering up to 20% off all mattress orders AND two free pillows for our listeners! Go to https://www.HelixSleep.com/Viall  OUAI - Wash your OUAI to healthier hair with shampoos and conditioners made just for you. Go to https://www.theOUAI.com and enter promo code VIALL for 15% off any product. Huggies - Learn more at https://Huggies.com  Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @kazbishop_ @zachgilford7 @justinkaphillips @leahgsilberstein @dereklanerussell @allisonklemes @kymccarthy23 Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 3:54 - Bottom Feeders and Traitors 18:56 - Traitors New Cast 23:09 - Alec Baldwin 24:09 - Kids 30:12 - Kaz Interview 01:01:34 - Perfect Match Thoughts 01:04:54 - Summerhouse 01:37:02 - The Valley 01:38:34 - Stalkers 01:45:25 - Outro

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Recap edition. I'm your host, Nick, joined by the household. And we got a special guest today. The one and only Zach Gilford is with us Hooray You probably know Zach from the hit shows like Friday Night Lights House of Usher. He's on criminal minds. He is a everywhere He's everywhere. He's everywhere. How you doing Zach? Good. Just omnipresent. Yeah He's everywhere. How you doing, Zach? Uh, good. Just omnipresent. Yeah, there you go.

You're booked and busy. Booked and busy. Booked and blessed. Well, I'm not booked right now, so I'm like really bored and anxious, but I go back to work in August, so that's good. Oh, okay. So now he's here in Nike. Now I'm here. I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna do a podcast. He's got a lot of time to watch the TV that we are all watching.

Thank God you're not booked and busy right now so that you can be here with us. Exactly. I will say, Nick, did you notice he's wearing a matching sweatsuit? That's not the same though. It's not the same. The same as what? Well, we said that any white guy wearing a matching tracksuit, different than sweatsuit,

is probably a part of organized crime. Yeah. But this is a sweatsuit, that's totally different. Yeah, this is just leisurely. This is just leisure, yeah. This doesn't have a matching pattern. Okay. No, this is just, I usually look homeless

and I was like, I know those two things match. So I'll wear them. That's definitely not what I was talking. A tracksuit is different than a sweatsuit. Is tracksuit nylon? Yeah, it has like a little nylon. It's like maybe like- Makes noise when you walk.

That's exactly right. Yeah. There's probably a couple of buttons. There's a zip away option probably. Then you're definitely potentially part of organized crime. Okay. So not this time. If you're white and you wear a tracksuit.

Anyways, lots to get into. We have, let's see, we have Kaz calling in later in this episode from Perfect Match. That show's wild. That show is wild, yeah. Well, it's a lot to get into with like, we got Summer House, we got our boy West, who caught some heat for the reunion,

which we'll get into, but, well, and also West is here this week on Going Deeper. Just so you know, and you can be happy to know that we do, a big part of the conversation with West is about his fuckboy ways, his lack of maturity, does he need some growing up to do, is he ever gonna get into a relationship? We do address that with West,

and you'll have to listen to hear his answers. But I am a bit confused by the outrage of Bravo Nation when it comes to West, but we'll get into why later. But this is all to say that I've realized over the weekend watching Perfect Match, Bravo, and then looking at like the men for gen season of Bachelor Nation,

the expectations of daters on each universe is wild to me. Ranges. It ranges. Like on Bachelor, if you interrupt someone, you're a villain. You're an evil person. You're just like, excuse me, can I just talk to her? You're just like, fuck you, you're rude.

Bravo, it's like, it ranges. You can throw a drink in someone's face. You can throw a drink in someone's face. If you're a guy, you can pour drink on women's head. Have a full blown affair. It's a little problematic. You can fuck a stripper, gaslight your friends, next episode, you're back in the saddle.

Perfect match. You can just be the saddle. Perfect match. There's You can just be like, yeah, I cheated on her with my girlfriend I mean harry jowsey has a trail of destruction wherever he goes and yet he's often considered by many to be like a fan favorite Mind-blowing it's like I have so many questions. I'm so perplexed by the expectations of each of these franchises, but yet again, here we are. Anyways, what are we getting into before we get to Kaz? Should we jump into Billy Lee? Yeah, what is going on in the Bravo drama world with Billy Lee?

Can you break it down? Can anyone break it down? Justin. I mean, it's a lot of back and forth, but long story short, Billy Lee was on this previous season being Sandoval's friend. Now Billy is saying she's no longer friends with him. And she's insinuating that one of the main reasons is

because of Victoria Lee, his girlfriend. There's a lot of accusations. There's a lot of Lees. I was just thinking that. A lot of Lees. Victoria Lee. She's basically saying now that like Victoria. Wait, it's Victoria Lee and Billy Lee.

Are they related? No, no, no. It's just a coincidence. We like find out she just really hates her sister. We're like, okay, so do I. It might just be Victoria, but anyway. I think the last names are middle names. Stage names?

Stage names. Well anyways, Billy. Wait, do they have fake names on these shows? A lot of them. Oh, did you know that Jax Taylor is Jason Kaukey? Kouchy, Kouchy. I did not know that. I didn't know that until last week.

I just feel like I found out Sonic class is not real. I know. I just found out I pronounce it Sonic class. Turns out reality TV. It's not real. Not always real. Yeah, so basically Billy said that Tom was sober until he got with Victoria and then there was drugs laying around the house.

She insinuated that Victoria wanted to move Ariana's stuff out of her room. So there's a lot of accusations. Then Victoria and Kyle went on another podcast and did an interview and they negated all of that and said that Billy was actually trying to isolate all of his friends and girlfriends and family from Sandoval so like Billy was trying to keep Sandoval to herself. Mm-hmm I don't do that. Well, I think it's funny to note and we also we the traders Lineup has been released which will go right but it's funny to note that, spoiler, Tom Sandoval is amongst the cast of traders. This is all going on while Tom is off the grid and can't speak for himself so he's in Scotland, doesn't have access to his phone and a bunch of

people who are like riding his coattails are having like a fight over who gets the claim Tom Sandoval basically which, which is the most ironic thing. Yeah, so like that's who you wanna claim? No one else in the universe who's like, yeah, he's our guy. And they're fighting over who gets claimed to Tom Sandoval, which is kind of hilarious. We mentioned this on Vile Files Plus,

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but this is just a bunch of bottom feeder friends who are taking advantage of their 15 minutes. And I don't even care if, even if Billy Lee is telling the whole truth, to all I'm hearing is you're a bottom feeder who was never really friends with Tom Sandoval. And while she was buying low, it's like when there's a stock market crash or whatever,

or Ethereum really goes down the tank and no one wants Ethereum, Billy Lee's like, I'll buy low. When no one wants to hang out with Tom Sandoval, she went in there and said, I'll hang out with Tom Sandoval, I'll pretend to be his friend, and I'll buy low. When no one wants to hang out with Tom Sandoval, she went in there and said, I'll hang out with Tom Sandoval. I'll pretend to be his friend and I'll be there. And maybe she had a crush on him, hoping to get something out of it. And then Tom was like, well, I don't really want to date you. I'm going to date someone who used to date Leo. And now she's upset about it. And now

she's going on her, now she decided to launch a podcast. Of course. And talk about it. And Tom did, Tom Sandoval actually was trying to be a friend of her. He was her first guest on her podcast. Yeah, I mean, Billy launched her podcast before this tea. So what? But post-Skandoval. Post-Skandoval, yes. Post-Skandoval, but who was her first guest?

Sandoval. Yeah, Tom Sandoval. Is it bottom feeding though if she was interviewing Sandoval? Like she wasn't talking about him, she was talking with him. Yes, yes, because this is when she- Yeah, because he was on the bottom. Yeah. Like was interviewing Sandoval. Like she wasn't talking about him, she was talking with him. Yes, yes, because this is when- Yeah, because he was on the bottom. Like he was not-

Sure. Well, not even, no, I think she's on the- I just think, I just think, and well, I'm sure you've been in this town for a long time. You know how, you know, there's all these like friends who will pretend to be your friend and they'll like offer to pick you up the airport and they'll do like these weird favors for you. And eventually you're like, wait, you're not my friend, you're just trying to hang around our group. It's the entourage. It's the like, oh, we all don't actually have a town

or a reason to be here, but like can't wait to be around you the second there's a camera around or a second there's an interview and I just think the whole dynamic is very strange. If Billy was a real friend, the first moment she had a fallout with Tom Sandoval, she's talking about things like substance abuse and like talking about intervention. If she really gave a shit about Tom Sandoval, she wouldn't like be going to her podcast and like outing

his drinking problems and his substance abuse problems and like outing that to the public if she was his real friend. So she's never been friends with Tom. And so even if what she's saying is accurate, I just think she's revealed herself to be a bottom feeder, just like Joe. That's why Joe is constantly on her podcast. Joe does the bottom feeder podcast tour, you know? Like anyone who's like, if you've had 10 minutes on Vanderpump and then you make some sort of

Vanderpump recap podcast, you're a bottom feeder. You say bottom feeder, I'm gonna say social climber. That's what I think too. Potato pesado. Yeah, that's a nicer term. Yeah, yeah, social climber is a nicer term. That's nicer than bottom feeder?

I think so, bottom feeder sounds nasty. Yeah, have you ever seen a bottom feeder? I think halibut are, their mouths are like underneath them. They're like sucking off the dirt. Yeah, they're like ocean vacuums. I still like bottom, maybe social climbers aren't harsh enough for these people. Oh my gosh.

Oh, that's a hot take. I think bottom feeder. So where are we today? What has happened within the last couple of days? Sandoval's story, someone posted on Sandoval's story, but he is filming Traders. What's the thing that was posted on Sandoval Story? Do we have it?

I mean, he could very well have already been sent home as a Trader, and he's posting himself. Like, we don't know. That's possible. But isn't you not, wow. Aren't you not allowed to do that? Cause it kind of gives it away. Oh yeah, probably.

Well, Billy accused, Billy screenshotted it and posted it and said that it was Victoria. Like, essentially tweeting from his account. And who cares? Exactly. Zach brings up a really good point. Timelines. We love a good timeline.

Well because a lot of times, they've started filming a couple weeks ago and they immediately announced the Traders cast. Let's just read, since we're talking about it, who's on the Traders cast? Danielle from Big Brother, Brittany from Big Brother, Carolyn from Survivor, um, Chanel from Real Housewives, Gabby from Bachelor, Dolores from Real Housewives, Robin from Real Housewives, Dorinda, someone spelled it wrong.

It's Dorinda. Yeah. Yeah. I love it, D'Arlinda. It's D'Arlinda, yeah. Yeah, it's wrong. Krishel, Selling Sunset, Sierra, Summer House, Nikki, WWE, Bob, Drag Race, Jeremy, Survivor, Tony, Survivor, Rob, Survivor, love him, big fan of him.

Dylan, Zac Efron's brother, perfect. Ivar, Lord, never heard of it. Wells, Bachelor Nation. No, he is a Lord. Oh, perfect. I was like Lord? I was like, never heard of that show, but sounds good. Another Bob. Oh, that's a Rob and a Bob. Oh, no, there's two Bobs.

No, Bob, Biggest Loser. No, Bob Drag Race, Bob, Biggest Loser. Sam, Britney Spears ex, feel like that's weird. Tom Vanderpump rules. I love Sam Britney Spears ex being on there, but we did find out over the weekend that he is not allowed to talk about Britney Spears because he signed a gag order when he got divorced. I mean, good for Britney Spears, being on there. But we did find out over the weekend that he is not allowed to talk about Britney Spears because he signed a gag order when he got divorced. I mean, good for Britney Spears, bad for us.

I despise him, so. Yeah, I feel like he should definitely immediately be a traitor. Why? I don't know anything about him other than you just assume he was a bottom fear. If you, yeah, that. And if you wanna go to my conspiracy theory situation

is that I'm like, how is it possible that this woman was under what? Like 10, 15 year conservatorship. He was casted in one of her music videos while she was under that conservatorship. And that's the person that's allowed to get close to her and allowed to become her husband, but she's not allowed to talk to childhood friends.

She's not allowed to make new friends, have a phone. Well, cause people thought that she was, people thought she was, he married her to be her guardian. That's what I'm saying. It's hired. You think he was a plant? Yeah. You think he was a plant? Yeah, I think he was a plant. From daddy's fears?

Mm-hmm. Somebody to keep an eye on her and to make her think that she's loved or in this relationship and whatnot, but. You think he got paid off? A thousand percent. How do we, can I look at this? This is my conspiracy theory, but.

It's a good one. Yeah. I mean, I co-assigned this. Thank you. But this looks like a really, it looks like a really great cast of traitors. What were you gonna say? We were talking about Tom.

Well, I'm just fascinated. Like, Zach made a good point. These are all public figures. They're not allowed to have their phones. And it's hard to keep a public figure, Public? Public figure off their phone, especially a reality TV star.

Now, granted, they could have people post for them. Like, Sierra over the, was posting on her social thanking fans for the outpouring of support over the evil West Wilson. Oh, I missed that. But it also might not have been her. It could have been a friend or a manager or something like that.

But I am curious for all the diehard Trader fans that could monitor when they get back online as to who is or isn't the winner of the Traders. How do they enforce that? I don't know if they do. I don't know that they do, because I would think that the rule would be that you wouldn't be allowed to post at all

while you're on it, or while the show is filming, so then that way it doesn't give anybody tips that all of a sudden they were missing and now you're posting again. Like, is Wells, he's still gone. Do we know? I would assume so. I mean he hasn't posted anything on Instagram.

I went to a birthday part of a mutual friend over the weekend wasn't there. But I was wondering if they keep them for the entire three weeks or when they get done do they get sent home? Don't know maybe you should have gone. Apparently they keep them. Maybe. You're in Scotland jail. I couldn't just get sequestered.

I couldn't make it Traders this season. I had a baby and I had you guys to talk and work with. We are the babies. Yeah, I couldn't leave you guys for three weeks. Lots of babies. Anyway, so back to Sandoval. That's what got us to Traders. What did he post?

Billy Lee's false claims towards Victoria Lee Robinson and Kyle Chan were designed to damage our friendship and relationships Victoria Kyle and I all heard her on speakerphone while she made those accusations They were designed to isolate me from my close friends for ulterior motives It is not a coincidence that she is doing this while I'm out of the country and she is on tour I will be addressing everything when I am back And the thing is that I'm like, I know for a fact that they don't, they like monitored them talking to the phone calls

and it's all on a set time schedule. So I'm like- It's how my traitors- Traitors cast, yes. Because they have to make sure that the significant others from back home aren't feeding them information about other cast members or aren't giving them like clues and tips

as how to, up to how to play the game. So that's why I'm like, that was not, I don't believe that that was him writing that. Oh, there's no way he wrote that. It was worded well. I was gonna say. That was written by a PR team. Thomas, he's not the most, yeah.

He doesn't use terms like ulterior motive. I remember I saw episodes of that show back in the day, like first couple seasons, I was like, and I'm sorry to talk shit about people. I was like, this dude is so dumb. Like, just ridiculously, and like, it's grooved itself out over the course of the show, so he did not write that. He even said at the last reunion,

which I honestly think was the most honest thing he's ever said is, I'm not that smart. He said that, and I honestly, he's so hilarious. It's the smartest thing he could say. I don't think he's the dumb honestly, he's so smart. I'm inclined to believe him. It's the smartest thing he could say. I don't think he's the dumbest. He's just not, he leaves a simple life. Sure.

He has like 10 things he cares about in this world. And that's, well, I don't even know what those are. I'm just saying he loves what he loves and that's kind of about it. Right? Also like the Victoria Lee Robinson. Like, why is he giving her full government name? Her full stage name. Her full, yeah, her full stage name. She was like, Victoria Lee Robinson. Like, why is he giving her full government name? Yeah, her full stage name.

She was like, Victoria Lee? I will say, whatever side Kyle's on, I believe that to be the most truthful. Especially when it comes to, like... Because this is basically a fight about, like, who's more loyal to Tom Sandoval, I guess, in a way. Like, who's a more genuine friend? A little bit. I mean, Kyle was looped in

because Billy accused or Allegedly Billy told Victoria that Kyle drugged Sandoval So that's where Kyle chimed in he was like no like Police should be involved Despite that accusation Kyle has been Tom's longest standing friend. And so, regardless of what these accusations, which is, you know, a little... It's giving Atlanta the swabs. Yeah, it's giving him police. Tom is in fact actually friends with Kyle Chan.

Like, his relationship with this Victoria girl, who knows, they could be broke up in a month and that could get messy. Billie Lee, I don't know, when did she hop on the scene with Tom Sandoval? Season four. Oh, they've been friends? Thanks. She was on season four. She was on season four? That's why I don't think she's like a bottom theater next to you. We're recapping season four right now.

You'll meet her soon. She's as OG as Lala? Lauren? That was the only season that she was on until she came back for season 11, which she's just barely featured in. But yeah. What was she? She works at sir, yeah and Wait, is Lala not her real name Lauren from Utah Lauren from Utah She went with Lala. Yeah

Get to choose any name or Raquel. Lovis is Rachel that one I knew but now she's saying that she's gonna go by Rocky So that's also another name That makes me hate her even more. I will say to wrap up the Billy stuff, Tom Schwartz and his girlfriend Sophia unfollowed Victoria. Yeah. So that's where people are saying. Unfollowed Victoria. Victoria. So that's where people are like, well, maybe Victoria actually is the one lying or like she actually is the riff in the friendships.

Text Schwartz and ask him what team he's on. And we can't really tell if Victoria and Sandoval are still together. No, so Tom is still following Victoria. No, but are Tom and Victoria still together? Because they've posted less and less. They're still following each other on Instagram, that's all I know. We'll see, he's also in Scotland.

That's the meter of a friendship nowadays. Instagram. Do you still follow each other? Oh my God. Yeah. Cool. Yeah, so I think we should definitely text Schwartz and figure out... He'll tell you. I'm saying Team Victoria or Team Billy, we are

recording. I should at least give him the heads up that we're recording. Yeah, for sure. That's a real friend. Yeah, yeah. You're not gonna throw him under the bus. You're not a bottom feeder. No, no, no, no, no, no. He is not a bottom feeder. Well, the saga continues. This is all to say, I will say back to last week's, which spin-off would we prefer? This is why I think I go Tom's. Oh. Messy. Like, would you rather have a spin-off

of Ariana and Katy, Lala, AKA Lauren, and Sheena, or the Toms? Oh, it'd be the Toms, because it's like the bigger train wreck. Yeah, exactly. That's the only reason you watch these shows. I don't really care about them making sandwiches. Yeah. I love Katy and Ariana.

I just don't know if I wanna watch an hour every week of them making emotionally intelligent decisions. Yeah. I'm just like, sorry, this is my boundary. It's totally fine if you don't wanna do that. And Katie, I fully respect that boundary. Yeah, it's totally same girl. You know, like, okay, boring.

If you had to choose somebody to win it all for traders, who would it be? Chanel Leon. Win it all? Or who would you pick as a trader? Who would you pick as a trader? Cause the trader's the one that- Well, let's, like, Who do we have as traders,

and who do we think is gonna win? I think Dylan, Zac Efron's brother is gonna win. Yeah. Is it because no one wants to send home, yeah, no one's gonna wanna send home Dylan because A, he's hot, and B, he's brothers with Zac. And he seems so nice. Look at that smile.

And they're gonna be like, no, you're not one of us. You're like a normie. You're like, you're just. You would never be a traitor Yeah, I could see them keep keeping doing around I think Chanel is gonna be a traitor and successfully because the reason that pager was so good at it is the sound bites and Like Chanel Ion from Dubai housewives. She has sound bites Yeah, I don't think Tom Sandoval will go that far. I don't either first round. Well, we know because he's posting stuff

go that far. I don't either. First round. Well we know because he's posting stuff already. He's posting legal documents. Well you know the whole point of that show at first is to not stand out and Tom does not know how to not stand out. Like he does not know how to fly under the radar.

No, no. I kind of feel like Krishel will be a traitor as well because I feel like she's really good at getting like emotional and people being like, oh no, it wasn't you. So I feel like she could go pretty far. I think that's a great choice, but I also think it's almost an obvious choice for if I were in this cast. I don't know. I would go for Chrishell first. I would think they, Chrishell is definitely a potential trader. Like she would have a

target on her back. Hmm. I wonder what Gabby will be. Gabby could be a good trader. Yeah, she can be. She's very bubbly, very friendly, but I think she could be a good liar. And I don't even mean that as a criticism. We love Gabby. This is gonna be a really good season. I will also lay us that Carolyn is a good pick from Survivor,

because apparently she was really crazy, but like good TV. Ooh, okay. Yeah. Any of these, Zach, any of these people you recognize that you would ride for I recognize Tom I don't know man. Yeah, I want that Lord to win Can see Wells being a traitor I could see Wells being a traitor

I can also see I feel nice guy Wells bartender. Oh, he's not a bad guy I bet Wells is a traitor. Okay, we'll see. Okay, I guess we'll see. I do love how they randomly just have one British monarch, like a British person of status. Who's their Brit this season? Ivar. Ivar.

Ivar the Lord. The Lord. Lord Ivar. Lord. Then last season, the cute little one too, that was- Yeah, he was part of parliament. Parliament or something, yeah. He was adorable, so I'm excited for him that was... Yeah, he was like part of parliament. Parliament or something. Yeah, he was adorable.

So I'm like, I'm excited for him. He's like, are you a part of parliament or are you on Lord of the Rings? I called him a monarch. I don't know. I'm not the one to ask. Oh yeah, he's definitely not royalty. You know? And then Sierra, Sierra who is scorned by West.

I was going to say, I feel like she might get voted off sooner because she has trust issues. So I feel like she might get voted off sooner because she has trust issues, so I feel like she'll be like closed off and then people are like, you're hiding something. And then Bravo Nation will blame West for it. Exactly. What is your favorite show to watch of these? Of these ones?

Of reality TV in general. I mean, I'm big on Southern Charm and Below Deck. Oh, okay. But I like had to cap myself because it's such a time suck It's a lot and then I'm like there's so many of these things like how many housewives are there? Literally top of my head Watch them all deck is a really popular franchise. I have yet to get into it. It's so good It has the biggest male audience on Bravo. Oh, you boats. There you have it. I like big boats.

What is it about a below deck that you love so much? I think it's kind of because it's encapsulated. It's like, you know, six weeks or something. It's not strung on where it feels more authentic as opposed to like a Vanderpump rules where they've been, this is their life. And this, I mean, it's literally their job being a reality star.

So I don't know. You see new love, people fallin' in boatmanses. Oh my god. A boatmanse. Yeah. And that's where Captain Lee is on? Captain Lee, he's no longer, yeah. He retired.

Yeah, see? Real fan. I know my below deck. He retired. And I'm with Captain Sandy. What is your wife's favorite? She, I don't know, she watches all of them. How can you pick a child?

It's true, no, that's true. Before we get to Kaz and Perfect Match, Alec Baldwin and his wife, is it Hilleria? Hilaria. Hilaria? Hilaria Baldwin. They are launching a new reality TV show on TLC. I'm very excited about that.

Not for me. Why? I'm not interested in, it's John and Kate plus Abe, part two, right? Like it's a bunch of kids and then a couple. It's Alec Baldwin, and do you know anything about his wife? No, but I know Alec Baldwin like, accidentally killed someone.

Yeah, I was just gonna say, isn't he in jail? That's all I know. Not great for Alec, for sure. Yeah, definitely not a great look for him. But like, certainly messy. Also, his wife is like- Has a fake accent, right? Has a fake, yes.

Yeah, so I know that. It's the best, She's like from Boston, but every once in a while she talks like she's from Spain. How do you say cucumber? Yeah, she literally did that. Yeah. It was the best. I think it's gonna be excellent television.

How many kids do they have? Seven. Oh, geez. Dawn and Kate plus eight. All seven of their kids. And I think another one on the way. I feel like she's always pregnant. Good for her.

I'm- Natalie is like, couldn't be me. Shit. Yeah. How many kids do you have? I have two. Two. Boy and girl? Yeah, and that's like, plenty.

Is the boy the oldest? I saw my neighbors, no, he's younger. My daughter's six and a half. Okay. I saw my neighbors the other day who had their third and I was walking by and I was like, that looks awful. I don't envy you at all. You made a bad decision.

I swear, all my friends who have more than two are like, I don't know what we did. I don't know why we did it. We should have worn a condom. How do you, how, we have a four month old daughter. Aww. That's cute. And we're planning four. Four? I don't know. Maybe. How are you feeling, do you remember, at four months?

Like, in terms of like, growing your family? Like, were you like in the, this is amazing, we should have more. like were you like in the this is amazing We should have more like steer us in the right direction I think you definitely want to because now we've hit the phase like a year ago with their best friends So they just kind of fuck off and go play with each other all our friends who have one on the weekend They're like, oh my god, I had entertaining all weekend Like there's nothing else and like there's only so much TV and blah blah blah

So you want to have more than one. If you can afford it have more. Okay. You know. Because you have a big enough car. Yeah I mean think about that. I don't know how people fit three car seats in a car. It seems like a lot. Yeah so you know I'm all about practicality. Yeah.

So you know. Okay you're not outnumbered. Yeah you don't want to be outnumbered. You don't want to play zone. No zone defense sucks. Yeah. Okay. Do you have a favorite?. Yeah, you don't want to be outnumbered. You don't want to play zone. No zone defense sucks Do you have a favorite? Are you glad you went girl boy? Yes. I am I think you had a choice I feel like it's good for a dude to have a woman who kind of checks him and teaches him how to treat a woman

Wait, what was the other question? Which one's your favorite? Oh We always say that zeppelin's our favorite and Revel's the best. Oh my god, what fun names. Yeah, they're fun, they're a good time. Oh my gosh, they're guys stealing that. One's your favorite, one's the best. I'm curious how that works for them when they can comprehend that. Like, wait a second.

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but it's not happening. You're repping the brand. I met, well, it was nice to meet you last week, by the way. It was, yeah. I got to meet Kaz at the Netflix. What was it, the summer? Like it was basically all the reality TV stars of Netflix. Yeah, it's like basically everyone from different realities.

You know, you've got Love is blind, love on the spectrum, all of them that have just come together and it was just one big party. So it's basically her match in person at a party. Yeah. Oh, by the way. With no microphone. I know this is an interview with Kaz,

but like I ran into, I met Kelsey from- Chelsea. Is it Chelsea or Kelsey? Chelsea. Chelsea. Fuck, you know too many Kelsey. Chelsea? Yes.

You're so close. I met Chelsea from Love is Blind, and I'm here to say, I think everyone owes Chelsea a huge apology. Including you. Including me, especially me. Anyone, Chelsea in person, first of all, delightful. Just a real peach.

Very nice, very charming. And her eyes absolutely look like Megan Fox. In person, she absolutely does. She, I can see it. My point is, is that every guy who's ever tried to hook up with her, especially when they were drunk, absolutely told her she looked like Megan Fox. 100%. She's had so many guys tell told her she looked like Megan Fox. 100%.

She's had so many guys tell her that she looks like Megan Fox that if you've ever, if you made fun of Chelsea and you've ever admitted to looking like a celebrity that you were less attractive than, then you owe her an apology. So we all owe Chelsea.

Chelsea. Chelsea. We all owe Chelsea an apology anyways. Did you meet Chelsea at the party? I didn't. I didn't actually get to meet her. No, I was still looking out for Megan, but I didn't see her. It was a brief encounter. I said hello as she kind of passed by and it was one of those interactions.

I think I was a little bit drunk at that time so I didn't know who was coming and going. I think I saw MG Kelly as well or MGK, whatever you call it. He was in there but yeah, it was lovely. It was lovely to meet everyone and actually see them in person, get to know their actual characters and personalities. Kaz, what was your, when you signed up for Perfect Match, what did you think it was all about and kind of what were your expectations of what you expectations of what you thought you were getting into? Right, so I actually binge watched the first season, so I already knew going into this what it was going to be like.

I didn't have a plan, so to speak, but I kind of just had my sort of strategy just to make it to the end. Was that your goal to be like, how do you determine whether you wanna win or did you wanna fall in love or did you just wanna win? What was your goal coming in? My goal was, it's always open mind, so it's like just whatever happens.

I didn't know who was gonna be in the house, so I guess in a way of who might be in there, but at the same time I was just like, all right, I guess in a way of who may, might be in there, but at the same time I was just like, all right, let's just go in open-minded, see who's in there, see who I can have a better connection with, who I can partner with. And my main thought was just have fun with the boys because that's like for me is like a massive thing because you want to get on with everyone. And once you've built up a friendship in there, then you can just sort of be yourself and be goofy

and you know, boys do dumb stuff. Yeah. Of the men early on between you, Harry, and Stevan, that's already a fuck boy name. It's a. I just can't set him up for him. Right, it's like you're gonna be a fuck boy. Yeah.

Which of you three is the most boyfriend material? I know what it's definitely gotta be seven Even though his name sounds like fuckboy, but he hundred percent the way he was making a lot of you know Breakfast could made it like a nice little dinner date It was it's something that only a boyfriend of that caliber would do. You would never. And he smashed it. You're saying, fuck that, make your own breakfast. I don't think it does shit. Are you a self-identify, are you more boyfriend material

or are you kind of in your fuckboy era? No, I'm definitely boyfriend material, 100%. Today? Yeah, like I can't. What were you yesterday? I kind of started out being like, hey, I'm here for the boys. Yeah.

Ha! I was like, I'm here to have fun. Yeah, there it is. That's it. What are your top three boyfriend material qualities? Okay, so it's always being caring 100 percent, so that's why it's just caring

chivalry as well always being caring, 100%. So that's why he's just caring. Chivalry as well. And then I can cook. So you will make breakfast. So you know what? Okay, so I did actually make breakfast in the house and it's just my car didn't really eat it. So I kind of stopped doing it. Just made myself breakfast. Why didn't really eat it, so I kind of stopped doing it.

I just made myself breakfast. Why didn't they eat it? Was it not good? No, I set myself up. I can cook, but no one ate any of the food I cooked. I don't know why. No, I can guarantee my food is lovely. I'm okay, honestly.

She just does not eat, like she doesn't really eat breakfast and stuff. So it was like we had like two bites and that was it. Yeah. Michael had two bites and that was it. And I was like, well, I'm not cooking you breakfast again. That was a way. Classic boyfriend move. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck this. You know, he just didn't want to be wasteful.

Right. He cares about. Yes. He this. He just didn't want to be wasteful. Right here. He cares about, yes, he is caring. He didn't want to be wasteful. Be caring. It's like an ozone. Like a greenhouse, like an environment thing. Absolutely. Wasting out, want not, yeah. Kaz, can you explain to us and the audience

how you can have two different types of women that look entirely different from one another? No, easy, easy. So you know what people say, all right, they have, you've got two types of like, they'll be like, I like blondes and then they're like, I like brunettes, but it's just the hair color. That's it. You could, girls change their hair, they get pink, silver, you know what I mean? So it depends on their features. Like if you've got beautiful eyes that stand out and pop

and you've got a nice smile, you've got like nice teeth, nice lips, and obviously like a decent shaped body as well, then you know what I mean? It doesn't matter what you've got on top of your head. And you could be like- Definitely, I definitely acknowledge that women will change their hair color.

But I am curious. Yeah, exactly. Between Micah and Holly, what is your type that they share? Oh, yeah. So, right, so Ollie and Martha, they both got lovely smiles. They both got lovely, lovely eyes. He's like, they both have the- They both have eyes.

They have really nice style. They both have eyes. Yeah, they both got eyes. They both got a lovely smile. They both have hands. They have feet. Thank God for your British accent. Yeah. That's another thing I get away with. Truly. You do.

Do you, how old are you Kaz? I'm 33. You're 33? Yeah. I look young. I know. You do. You're a gorgeous man.

I can confirm. I see it in person. He's stunning. It's quite jaw-dropping. Stop it. I'm blushing. I'm blushing. I'm blushing. I'm blushing. I'm blushing. I'm 33. You're 33? Yeah. I look young, I know. You do, you're a gorgeous man. I can confirm, I see it in person, he's stunning.

It's quite jaw-dropping. Stop it, I'm blushing. How do you, with a man of your immense, you know what they say, with great power comes great responsibility. So how is a man like you, who is as good-looking, has as sexy British voice, how do you go about making sure that you don't abuse your power as a guy who can

just get women to crumble by just simply speaking and saying sweet nothings and saying like your eye. Just the left one. And then they eat it up. How do you go about making sure you don't lead anyone on? It's, you know what? I cannot answer that question because I end up falling into the same trap consistently. As soon as I say something, as soon as I talk, as soon as I act like a certain, I'm not even acting a certain way,

but as soon as I just be myself around people, they kind of get drawn into that. And I don't tend to notice when people do like me until they genuinely do say, I fancy you. Then I'm like, oh, okay. Yeah. No, you're saying. Yeah.

Yeah. The damage is done, basically. The damage is already done. So I've made the mistake so many times, so I can't even answer that question. Okay. Maybe you can. Maybe you can help me. What is your read on Harry? Obviously Harry came into the show

with like a pretty big reputation, especially when it comes to his past relationships. His reputation seems to precede himself, and am I saying that right? His reputation precedes himself, yeah. Well what did you think of him? Do you think he's misunderstood? Do you think he's a bit of a fuckboy? What's your read on him? Do you think his reputation ises him. Well, what did you think of him? Do you think he's misunderstood? Do you think he's a bit of a fuckboy?

What's your read on him? Do you think his reputation is undeserving? How would you say as someone who got along with the boys, would you vouch for it? Would you let Harry Jowsey date your sister? Oh, yeah, when it comes to family, that's a no. That's a no-go. Yeah, oh, straight up saying that. Harry's a, that's a no. That's a no-go. Yeah. Oh, straight up saying that.

Harry is a, is a lovely guy. I think I didn't really know much about Harry. Um, only to us, you know, sort of I've heard of him from too hot to handle. Uh, when I first met him, I thought, yeah, he's definitely like a sort of what we call an Essex boy. He's like one of the lads in that sense. Like if you could imagine him being a sort of, you know, working in construction, a sparky or something like that. He's just got that characteristic that he'll get on well with anyone. In terms of with girls, I think, yeah, you kind of throw a bit of eye candy his way, might tend to sway a little bit. He does the chameleon thing. One eyes that way, one eyes over there. But yeah, I think he definitely is sort of misunderstood.

I think he does try to be the person that he can be. And I think he's building towards that. It's just going to take growth because he's still young technically as well. How old is Harry Josie? I think he's like, is he like 26? 27. I wanna say. 27. Okay. Oh okay, I was close. Any other questions? What else? Yeah. I have a question. Did Stevan influence how you felt about Micah and what do you think about him calling her a fun sponge. You don't have a great poker face. I don't. I'm terrible. I can't play poker at all. I give everything away. My reactions are all like

that. No, I am. So we had this conversation, right? I don't know how much I can say, obviously, behind the scenes of what happens, but basically, yeah, he was, he saw the way that I am, how bubbly and everything that I can be. And then when he saw me with my car, he said he, she almost like sucked the life out of me, um, and not in a good way. So I don't know how you'd like to take that in terms of her being called a fun sponge. I saw a different side to her than what he did. So I couldn't really say to him, you know,

it's going to be banned. That's the way I took it. Anyway, I took it as ban. I said, look, leave that aside. We'll just we have our own battle behind closed doors. Me and her get on. We have a lot. We have our own sort of banter together. It's just she's not the same in the whole situation, if that makes sense. Yeah, what were some of the things that really drew you to Micah? What were, what are your top three characteristics?

So she's got like quite a, she's quite, she's upfront, first of all, which is what I like. So someone that's obviously direct, she's upfront, first of all, which is what I like. So someone has to obviously direct, she knows what she wants. She's very, she's quite weird and quirky in her own little way, which is quite nice because I like that as well.

I'm quite weird, which you probably won't see on there, but I am quite different. And I mean, she's a beautiful girl, you know, that's all. How was the- Not bad to look at. How was the kissing competition? And I mean, she's a beautiful girl, you know, as all. How was the kissing competition? Were you a fan of that or were you a little bit more like Xanti who was like, you're not gonna kiss everyone. Were you like, fuck yeah, I get to kiss five women.

Oh yeah, I was a hundred percent up for kissing five girls. Like, I think my most was about three in one night. So that just topped it all. And it was a different experience because you're blindfolded and I was listening to Burnaby as well on the headphones. Oh, they had music playing. They had music playing so you couldn't hear anything. Obviously you couldn't see anything. And the tish that I had with Zantia, else, hoping that they didn't play that because I was like, trying to find her. And I couldn't. So it was, there was, I was like, oh, please don't show that on screen.

That makes a lot of sense now watching it back because there was a lot of you kind of like, kind of slowly kind of going in almost like as if you were they were trying to like have foreplay and you didn't understand why it's just like when it makes sense they were trying to do that rather than like yeah it was like he was trying to you trying to find yeah exactly but you had to go with your face like how you could you could touch them so like how much of that did you use to your advantage? Yeah, did you ever know who you were kissing?

Okay, so you, no, it was very difficult to tell. I mean, it was, I mean, you kind of guessed what they were wearing, but then by the time you, you wait around for about an hour, so you kind of almost forget, you're separated from each other and you kind of almost just think to yourself, oh, I'm like, what was she wearing? How am I meant to dust out?

If I feel it, I don't know. Everyone was wearing something skimpy. Everything I touched was just skin. So, I went in for a kiss and they told you not to put your hands up high so you couldn't feel the head or hair. Even though I think I saw Harry doing that in his kiss. But they were just like, yeah, keep your hands below, you know, the waist and everything like that.

And I mean, I just went with passion and I tried to suss out who was the best and luckily I got Michael, so. Yeah, how do you think that you would do when I kiss in competition? Could you like, did you recognize any of them by smell? Cause I would feel like they would, everyone has a smell. Like everyone has a smell or certainly the person

you've already kissed before, there's a taste. Somebody said that somebody had bad breath and that one I was like, that's devastating. Yeah. Yeah, they gave us all mints. So someone must have turned that down Yeah, I don't know take the man's halitosis is a real Yeah, I mean the kissing Okay in between the teeth

Yeah, the smell obviously when you're blindfolding you can't hear anything So I feel like you do get in, can't smell, but all you can smell was just the sea. So that just overpowered any sort of scent coming in. You've been quite confident in your ability to make every woman you have been with squirt, you think was what you said? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was 90%? He's like, yes, absolutely, that is me. It was high. Yes, I did say that. It was a high record, yeah. A high record. Do you think that is your ability or their ability? I feel like some women are able to squirt.

Isn't that just peeing? Well. No. No. I feel like some women are able to Nick is zero percentile. Yeah, that's it. That's it. I just asked him a question and just said, do you need to go to the toilet beforehand? He's like, yes, right there. You're like, no, you cannot pee beforehand. I have a record that I have to uphold.

Quick, drink this. That's awful. That's terrible. No, that's the technique. But do you think that that, like, I don't know, I feel like if I, if Nick would have told me like beforehand, like, by the way, I've made every woman squirt, I would be like, okay, like, I guess. Do you feel like that was like a good quality

to let the women know about you? I mean, to carry on from the lap dance, I thought it was only fair to kind of stick with that sort of tone, you know? The lap dance set the level and then I just was like, right, we're just gonna go sort of go sexual off the bat. Let's just see what happens. You were quite good at the lap dance.

Have you, do you have that in your past? Are you a dancer? Are you trained? Yeah, I'm it. No, no, just in the bedroom. That's it. It's all in the hips. It's the hips thing. It's all in the hips.

Yeah. Hips don't lie. You say about the motion in the ocean, you just got to roll. What's that role with it? What's on your sex playlist? Oh There's a variety of different songs It depends on how you want to go if you want to go like with a slow jams Then you kind of get that or if you got gonna ease into it a bit of genuine pony classic. Okay Yeah, absolutely that's on my list too.

Is the playlist something that like, is that typical? Do you have a playlist that? I don't, but my buddy sent me one called Boner Jams. When I was in high school. All those songs were on it. When I was in high school, you know Marcos. I do. Yeah, he called Boner Jams. I was just gonna... When I was in high school... All those songs were on it.

When I was in high school, you know Marcos. I do. Yeah, he called it his Instamoys playlist. Oh. Oh. Yeah. Yikes. Gross, I'm not friends with him anymore.

He was your best friend, he was definitely in your... He was a groomsman, so... He kept the playlist. Yeah. All right. Yeah. I have All right. Yeah. I have another question. Shoot.

In episode three, we see Harry break up with Elise to go for Jess. How do you feel about how he broke that off? And what would you have done differently? Oh, that's a very good question. I mean, first of all, I would not have come in jumping and skipping as much as he did. He had a grin from ear to ear and that just didn't set the tone. I would have just came in, you know, sort of monotone. I mean, I haven't got a great poker face as you know already.

So I would have tried to keep my levels down, just walked in. I would have had to speak to Elise straight away and just tell her exactly what had happened, which is what I did do when I went on to my date with Holly, sorry, not Michael. And I came in and I literally told Michael straight away and I said to her, what happened, what we done. Yeah. So I think I would have just, I would have handed it definitely a lot differently. Oh, and I wouldn't have given her my Rolex to wear as a claim of territory. That was just the wrong thing to do.

It's kind of an egg. Yeah. I would probably would have been like, you can keep that. I don't need to wear your watch. I can't even tell time. Digital? I don't know what that says. I'm sorry.

I have a phone. Yeah. That's what, what about him laughing and saying, all right, let's wrap it up. And if you love someone someone you should let him go It was brutal That's just typically typical Harry. Oh, it's typical Harry. Oh, yeah that is right I mean is the way he comes across the way he's banter is and you know, he handles things a lot differently He does as I said, he's he's still young. He's still got a bit to learn

So he is he's learning that and he's doing that obviously he's got his own said, he's still young. He's still got a bit to learn. So he is learning that and he's doing that. Obviously he's got his own things that he's doing. And yeah, he's definitely, it's been a year, it's been enough a year since then. So now when I see him and I speak to him, it's a different sort of Harry from back then. Is he now dating to Harry? And you can kind of tell that.

Yeah. Oh, a hundred percent, a hundred percent. A hundred percent. So wait, you're gonna go on public record and you're vouching for Harry Do you believe in Harry? I have faith in Harry. I have faith in Harry. If you're life depended on it. I feel like he's, yeah. I'm quite, what? Um, okay, yeah, I'll take that back.

I'll take that back. If my life depended on it, my, no. If it's already been a year, I mean, he was dating to marry a year ago and he still has not been married yet. Well, that's okay. He can still be looking, but I guess the question is,

is he at risk of still leading people on? Does he have one of those? Why do you refer to the wandering eye the head on a swivel easily? He needs to go to like a Like to a tribe somewhere deep in the forest like the Amazon forest or Africa and just find someone that doesn't even have a TV That way they would just they'll be able to meet him and see him for him and then they can you know I mean, they'll make their own opinions from there. Okay Are you dating to marry Oh Well, that is a very

Would you set someone up with, would you set up you, how is the question? Oh! Oh! That one hurt. Sorry, sorry. It's okay, I'm 33 too, I felt it too. Oh, yeah, thank you, thank you.

Sorry. How old are you? I'm 25 with a child and married. I found my husband at 21. Sorry. Okay, flexing, flexing. It's all right, I waited till I was 40. Yeah.

Yeah. There we go. That's what I like to hear. There's still hope. I'm not alone. There's still hope, yeah. I'm not alone. You just got to find the right one.

So you got to break through all the rotten apples, as they say. I know you can't speak to everything that happened at the end, but do you have a big regret from how you conducted yourself this season that you would have changed anything? Yes. Is that something you can answer? I may have gone for the wrong person. I'll say that and that's it. Okay. And you're referring to. I don't say that.

And that's it. Okay. And you're referring to Micah when you say that. Right. So basically, basically, um, another thing I want to add on, skip past that is the way of communication. Um, they do kind of give you a little bit to drink in there. So, you know, the boys, we all get carried away.

We was all like, take shots here and there, tequila. And it may have like, barked a couple of arguments in different ways. And I could have handled a certain situation better. Okay. And communicated better. Okay. All right.

As well, yeah. All right. That's all you can ask for. That's all you can ask for, you know? We love in there. Yeah, bro. Any final questions for Kaz? Oh, I think Leia's got one more.

She's got some tough ones. I have one last question. This one's a little easier. If you, based on looks alone, if you were coming in and all the women were there, who would you have picked based on just your type? Oh. And please describe that type.

Since we're a little confused on what your type is. See, if I answer this, it will probably give it away. So I'm just gonna have to hold this one in for now and then maybe send you a message about it later. All right, I'll leave you my number. Yeah. I am pregnant, but if you can look past that. I am married.

If you just close your eyes, hands only on the head this time. I know it wasn't the rules before. I mean, from behind is a good position as well. What would be your favorite sex position? Oh, the um, I'll see. I'm quite, I love, I love missionary, right? Because the good position that you can get the girl into is with their legs up here. Yes.

And their knees are basically pressed against their ears and you're just pushing in deep and you're just going up You could do that motion. Yeah, you do side to side on it see every time Yes, I do that yes, okay, maybe take some notes He's like, the leg's up here, Nixon. Sure, yeah, okay. I think I've done that once. Nixon, I think if your legs are really, really far back, maybe. Is this how the squirting happens?

The peeing, how does that? Yeah, when's the peeing start? What is your optimal squirt position? You know what, so if I was fit, you could do it with fingers. Alright, fingers is the easiest way, and that is like that. Oh my god. Sorry, I'm going- Is anyone listening?

He's giving you a visual tutorial. I'm giving a visual tutorial. I'm giving a visual tutorial, it's the two middle fingers, those are the ones, and you lift up. Yes. And it kind of, you just go, you go like that, you just flick the hand back and forth. You flick the hand back and forth. He's like, was that the left hand or the right hand?

I'm right. You do your prominent hand. Oh, that's it. Get yourself a wheelchair. Kaz, it's been a lot of fun talking with you, man. I really appreciate you taking the time, man. Best of luck on the rest of the season. We've been enjoying watching you. It was great to meet you in person. Look forward to watching your antics unfold on this season of Perfect Match, buddy.

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Oh my gosh. No, it is so crazy the difference in expectations of these audiences from universe to universe. You just have Harry coming on the show being like, yeah, I cheated on, what was it, him and George? It's like we, she cheated on me with. No, she cheated on him with Harry. She cheated on Dom with Harry.

And Harry shows up, that's his entry into the show, just laughing about it. Harry brought Dom on and then was dapping up, like what's up man? And I'm like, you wanna kill each other? And then going on the date and being like, but shouldn't you want to kill each other and then Going on the date and being like I've probably had I've had sex with everyone in Netflix reality world. So We'll see who this is

What they do STD test I imagine so it's probably just like a great way of just making sure you have safe sex. Yeah It's like a film set during k. Everyone got tested all the time. So it was like, cool, I can hang out with these people and not catch it. Yeah. Might as well. It is remarkable to me, just the lack of giving a fuck on this cast of, the Netflix, it's a free-for-all.

But I honestly think that is, it is the most honest cast in terms of how they think and feel about dating. And I think when you go from Bravo to Bachelor, you get a bunch of disingenuous people pretending. To be like the perfect package. And then it's like these people are like, I like toxic relationships.

I'm excited about this. He yells at me, but I'm kind of turned on. And you're like, no, run. If I don't hear the word bad boy one more time, if it is a bad boy, do I like bad boys? Like I think I'm into bad boys. God you're trouble. Oh yes. You're trouble. I'm gonna get in trouble.

It's like You have options Okay, do you want to get in trouble? Do you want to get in trouble with you? No It is alarming and perfect match that as soon as you match, you have a night alone with them. Yeah.

That is scary. Like I feel like for Dominique switching from Brighton to Chris? Yeah. Okay. I wouldn't have switched just out of like, I've already stayed a couple nights with Brighton. Like I don't want to sleep with a new man tonight.

I am scared. I am comfortable sleeping with Brighton. I don't want to sleep with a new man tonight. I am scared. I am comfortable sleeping with Brighton, so I'm not gonna unmatch with him and match with someone else. Strictly out of, I don't wanna sleep in bed with a stranger, a new man. I also don't like the fact that there's no take backsies. If they did go, they're like, sorry, the other person's already left the show. So you can't really, you're stuck with who you matched with. So you have to leave the compound if you're not matched, basically?

All it is, there's no single people in the villa. And that's why I'm like, so if you regret your decision, too bad. And that's typically not how... They can come back, though, I think? I mean, I'm three episodes in and I have not seen... They reintroduce new people, yeah. But that's where you see Elise and Chris, where they're just matched up to survive. Like, they're friends.

Gotcha. Okay, They will come back. Okay. Brighton did say, you'll see me again or something. So summer house reunion. Did you enjoy this season? I don't get these people ever. I don't even understand who they are in the world. What they do. What are you doing? What businesses are you running?

I know like I don't get it, but it's, you know, they're train wrecks, it's fun. Lindsay versus Carl, Wes versus Sierra. Which one is who you wanna start with? Lindsay and Carl? Lindsay and Carl. Lindsay and Carl? Yeah.

I think we can all agree that he definitely intended on ending the engagement walking into that conversation. 100%. That's what I don't understand with Carl. There are two times this reunion that I, it's just like, when Andy started it off by saying, can we all agree that we're happy you broke up.

Like everyone, including Lindsay now, is just like, yeah, we made the right choice. But Carl, Carl wants credit. It's like he wants a thank you from Lindsay. Yeah. He wants the appreciation for ending the relationship we all need to end. Carl wants credit, you know, it's like he wants a thank you from Lindsay. You know, he wants the appreciation for ending the relationship we all need to end, but he's not willing to like admit to anything he did, like a la like, it's like he wants credit for breaking up with Lindsay,

but he doesn't want to be accused for planning on breaking up with Lindsay. It's like which one is it? Did you want to break up with her and intend to break up with her? Or were you being a martyr? Yeah, it's like he wants the credit, but doesn't want to be blamed for it at the same time. And you can't really have both at the same time. Well, that's just not how breakups work. I mean, like, it's it's always premeditated. I don't think you typically are like, you know what?

Fuck this. I'm out just like in the moment. You know, it's like, no, there's a buildup. You have these thoughts. You've probably consulted with other people being like, should I, we watched him do it with his parents and Kyle. Yeah. So I don't know why he's dying on this Hill of being like, Hey, I never planned on it, it just kind of went that way.

But also you're welcome. I called production, but I didn't say this is why. Yeah. No. And then the other thing that he doesn't want to admit to was the thing that Lindsay came up, the whole Kyle wedding party. Flower boy.

Flower boy. It's like he flat out accused Lindsay of it being her fault. Carl was like, Lindsay's the reason Carl's not a groomsman. Kyle. I did it because of Lindsay. It depends though, because then he also,

he admits he never had a conversation during the season. So he said I- No, but at the reunion, he admitted to actually not having the conversation after Lindsay called him out for it. It was a little confusing though, how Lindsay explained it. Because Lindsay was like, well Lindsay was like, it's a numbers thing, and then like he was one of the numbers,

so then it was a flower boy, and then Andy was like, so it was. was he was explaining how they got to the decision right and that Was Lindsay giving Carl the benefit of the doubt being like motherfucker has a lot of friends like he's got a lot of friends from back Home, so it's not like a personal thing against Carl like just legit Kyle. Sorry Too many case. It's not it's not a personal thing against Kyle Sounds the same. Carl, Kyle, Chelsea, Kelsey, who cares?

Whatever, truly, who gives a shit? It's all spelled with K's. But yeah, she's giving him the benefit of the doubt, right? And then explaining that at the end of the day, she was just pointing out that I was involved in the conversation because I'm his wife. Like, that's what you do. You're planning a wedding together.

That makes sense. She's also pointing out that I never once influenced or said, I think you should have so and so, or what about, like, she didn't even go far as to say, but shouldn't you have, like, your old, like, your old school friends, you know? Like, shouldn't you do that? Like, there was none of that.

But she did say, what are you gonna do with the Summer House guys? Which is her actually doing more than Karl did, which is like, hey, don't forget about your Summer House friends. Your fake friends. Your fake TV friends. Your fake TV friends.

Your paid friends. Whatever, but Karl. Your paid friends. The only, he didn't back down, but he's like, but that's how I felt. So on the season of Summer House, he says, Lindsay made me do this. I did this for Lindsay, or some version of that.

Not I felt this way. He wasn't like, I just have this feeling that my wife or my fiance wants me to do this, which is in two entirely different things. They're not even on the same planet. Right. And one is accusing your fiance of doing something she didn't do, entirely different things. They're not even on the same planet. And one is accusing your fiance of doing something she didn't do,

and the other thing is you admitting that you felt a certain way, and without checking in with that person, you made a decision without checking in, and that's on you. And he sold one thing as something completely different, but even after getting called out for it at the reunion, he like doubled down, was like,

but that's how I felt, as if it's the same thing. And it is entirely different. We now know that when Carl thinks a certain way, that he's going to communicate it as reality, a fact, like something that is a thing. Which kind of completely makes me once again reevaluate the whole breakup. Like no matter what, like you have to be...

Is that what you feel or is that what happened? Well don't we do that all the time in relationships though? It's like I felt like she was like mad at me and annoyed so I like did this thing or whatever. Yeah, but that would be different if you then went to a bunch of your friends and said, Hey, she did this or said this or I did this because she told me to do it and if you left off the part, well, she actually never said that. I just was like.

I just like, so. I was just like interpreting. I just like anticipated her annoyance and so I did it and then completely put it on, you know, like I don't know, could you imagine you like just assuming something and then like telling all your friends that your wife made you do it

when she never actually said that? You're like, well, I just thought. We know each other, I know what you're thinking. It's kind of crazy. I will say it did feel like this whole season, Carl's been on like a character assassination train of Lindsay, but he uses his, what's my feelings as a way to validate all of his statements.

Exactly. Yeah. Which is, your feelings are valid, sure. Yeah, we are entitled to our feelings, but they are our feelings. But that's his trump card. Like, he's like, what's my feelings? So don't question it.

Which is so annoying. Yeah. It is so fucking annoying when you're fighting with someone or in a disagreement, and they're like, well, that's how I feel. Feelings aren't facts. I do love to throw that one out every once in a while.

You do? Well, you do. It's fucking annoying. Okay, perfect, well, it is my feelings. So, it is how I feel. That is how I feel. No, it's like, no, I know you're there, I know they're your feelings,

but like, I disagree with them. You know, like, he just says it as if like a matter of like, oh. Oh, those are your feelings. Oh, well, and I guess. Oh, well then I guess. You're right. I guess you're right. I don't know.

So, Team Lindsay, I guess, again. I get where Carl's coming from, and yes, he made the sound choice of ending the relationship, but he did say a lot of things between the breakup and now that really painted Lindsay in a bad light that is turning out to not be the most accurate.

Oh no. I do think that her past in PR is used against her a lot. Like I think that's like their way of blaming any, like anything that happens in their world, it's like, well, it has to be Lindsay because she works in PR. Well, this had to have come from Lindsay because it's like the paparazzi.

Well, she definitely called paparazzi on me because she has these relationships and that's something that PR would do. I will say I did clock her PR spin when they were talking about the wedding and the photo or the friend at the restaurant where she posted a picture of the girls. Or there was a lot of accusations,

but where she was like, well, I don't know if my friend said that. Oh, about sabotaging pages, photoshoot? That's what it was, yes. So I was like, hmm, I don't know if my friend said that. Oh, about sabotaging Paige's photo shoot? That's what it was, yes. So I was like, hmm, that's a convenient answer. But that was a weird conversation. It was. Like, I don't know,

Carl went to Paige and said, I heard Lindsay on the phone with her friend that works at this restaurant that you were doing a photo shoot at, and was what, coming up with ways to sabotage. Which is weird in general, yeah. Yeah, but it was a weird accusation, but I guess I was a little confused

in terms of Lindsay's defense or lack thereof. I didn't say it, but if my friend said it, I'm sorry it hurt your feelings. Yeah, she's like, I don't know. I'd be like, either I had the conversation or I didn't. And also what was the conversation? Because I am confused, can we talk about the conversation? Right, literally.

Can we bring it up? Because I have no idea what you're talking about. And also what was the conversation? Because I'm confused, can we talk about the conversation? Right, literally, literally. Can we bring it up? Because I have no idea what you're talking about. And the whole Danielle sending the story, I'm sorry. So random. 100 fucking percent, if I were Lindsay, I would go to page on national television and be like, it wasn't me, it was fucking Danielle. And they got mad at Lindsay, yeah.

Why is Lindsay supposed, that's what I understand. The whole cast was coming down on Lindsay for outing your friend. It was just like, well, I wouldn't out my friend like that. I wouldn't sell out my friend like that. Meanwhile, the things that she's being accused of selling out her friend is to basically take the blame amongst the group on a nationwide scale

for doing something that she didn't do. Like, yeah, why is a Lindsay supposed to take the bait? I mean I guess I still would have, like I would have done what Lindsay did or I'd be like listen, it wasn't me who did that. And then Paige is like well who isn't? She's like it was Danielle. I would have said that and then I would have gone to Danielle

and been like listen bitch, I told Paige sorry, but like I'm not taking the fall for it anymore. And then let them handle it. That I think where Lindsay did not go to Danielle and tell her that she ratted her out maybe was a fault, but I don't think Lindsay ratting her out was like a fish. I think she had to. The alternative was for Lindsay, to your point,

having her entire cast once again thinking that she's the one going to demois or whoever and like spilling tea, And maybe Lindsay's done that. And now she's supposed to what? Let people think that she's guilty when her, their other co-star is the one who actually did it. Like Danielle saying, well, it was a juicy story.

Huh? Well, then she said, well, I didn't realize it was like that serious. Well, as a founder and CEO. Right. That was wild. I care about people's feelings or whatever. Just not my friends when I make her cry, but you know. But as a founder and CEO.

It is my job. What is her app? It's a closet app. So it's like, you can piece your like outfits together. Doin? Doin? Couldn't I tell you? I know it's like, did you ever watch Clueless, the movie?

It's essentially like the computer app that she's using in the beginning where it goes through your closet and organizes different outfits for you based off of the pieces that you own. Quick question. I'm ahead of its time. Quick question.

Yeah, literally. Clueless. Do you, on her app, do you have to take a photo of every item in your closet? Because if so, I'm not interested. I did not. That feels like a lot of legwork. Yeah.

How does it know what's in your closet? I feel like you have to go. That's a day's work. That's a lot of legwork. How does it know what's in your closet? I feel like you have to go. That's a day's work. That's a lot. That's a couple days work. And I have to pay for this up? You have to pay for it. I would assume so.

It's not free. Nothing in this world is free. No. Oh my. Is she a bottom feeder or a cloud chaser? Is bottom feeder offensive word? The more you say it, the more I hate it. Yeah, nobody wants to be called that.

Nobody wants to be called a social climber either, but I am like, at least. Bottom feeder implies that you don't have something going for yourself on your own. Well, when you out your, I think it's the lowest of lows to be a cast member on one of these shows and to be out with your friends

and have to worry about your friends going to blogs and selling stories. I think that's one of the lowest things you can do amongst this group of friends. It's already a weird enough world to be a reality TV star and people treat you like, yeah, you're kind of a celebrity, but you're not. And they have this entitlement to feeling they're entitled to everything about your life and to not feel like you can hang out in a safe space Because the people you're having dinner with might go to like a blog

But are you always this is what I don't understand about the psychology of these people like you're kind of always in a safe space Because it's always being recorded and everything in your your whole life when you're not being recorded is on social media So it's kind of like I don't understand why they lie. Yeah, lie. It's like, dude, you know they're gonna play the tape back. It'll be black and white. Yeah, it's just like, what is wrong with you? Well, I agree with that. I think they just kind of forget. I think, you know, every time you're in a fight

with your partner, and you know, even though it's now called gaslighting, and your partner's just like, what you said, and you're like, I didn't fucking say that. And I know I have partner is just like, what you said and you're like, I didn't fucking say that. And I know I have said in an argument, I didn't say that 100% certain I didn't say that. And then she's like, the fuck you didn't, you know?

Is she in the scenario? You. Okay, perfect. Whoever though, but any fight you've ever had in any relationship, like you forget and people remember and you will argue about that. I think it's more that. I think it's more that I think it's more that I think it's as you kind of conveniently forgetting and you know, just

You know, I also think these professional TV makers these reality TV stars They're what they're really good at is forgetting the cameras are there You know like kind of being in the moment and kind of like Paige said at the end of this episode that they live their lives Around cameras not they don't live their lives around cameras, not, they don't live their lives for the cameras. And so they just do their thing. But even still, I think for them to sign up to be filmed by Bravo or whatever

is not the same as them signing up for everyone to document their lives. And that doesn't mean that their lives, you know, it's not fair game every conversation they ever had for someone to kind of infiltrate their group. Especially off-camera conversations. Yeah.

It's like Lala constantly like bringing in off-camera situations. And then Sierra in this episode was saying how she was upset because Lindsay had posted like the girls going to dinner and supporting us, Lindsay through the breakup. And she was like, but because of whatever Lindsay captioned, it immediately made it as though the girls were solely

just like on Lindsay's side. What did she caption? Girls rule, boys rule. Yeah. Yes. Ooh, good one. Do you? Burn. Boys go to Jupiter to get more stupider.

Do you fault Lindsay here? Like, what did she do? She posted a picture with her castmates. Yeah, I'm like, I don't really, I don't fault her for it. I'm just like, I can also see Sierra's opinion being like, well, it's putting me, it's speaking for us when this should have been like a private moment. Then don't go to dinner.

I'm kinda here with Zach here. Don't go to dinner with your entire group of castmates, only the women, right after the breakup. And I don't, I actually agree with Lindsay here. The rest of the cast is like, they had this whole we're not that famous conversation. Why would paparazzi show up for us? Someone must have called the paparazzi

because there's no other way they would have known. The entire cast got together for dinner in New York fucking city. People are gonna notice. You know what I'm saying? You are that famous. So this whole like, oh my God, how could they have noticed us?

Someone had to have called, we're not that famous. As they're refuting rumors from Dumas, the whole thing. I don't think Lindsay had to have called the paparazzi for people to have noticed the entire cast getting together in Manhattan. But I also don't think Lindsay's oblivious to the fact that her caption was insinuating that everybody at the table was like Team Lindsay.

What do you expect her to write in that moment? Love the support from my girlies. That's also giving. That's also giving. Thank you for attending my dinner. Cheers. Also giving, supporting. What is Lindsay supposed to be like,

hey, I wanna make it clear, not everyone is on my side here. Yes. Yeah, the women are Switzerland. Uh, some of them are team, what, like honestly, like. That's a good point, yeah. What, like, yeah. But I also think that it's valid for Ciara to be like,

I can support you, but not co-opt a statement against Carl. Then she should have commented that. She boys drooled, did it really say boys drool? Yep. Girls rule boys. That's what all this drama is over. Yes. This is ridiculous. They all went to dinner with Lindsay. Then they all smiled for the photo. Then- A bunch of influencers who didn't think this would end up on the internet. Then did they engage with

the post? Did any of them like the post? Did any of them comment on the post? I'm sure they did. But none of them had an issue with it until the audience. Whoa, whoa, whoa. What are you, like, oh my God, I'm not supporting this bitch. Like, what the fuck, you know? Yeah, but you all did everything to get to that point. And now you have an issue with it. I guess, do I think Lindsay has a PR background?

Do I think she's strategic? And I'm sure she is even had, I'm sure she's been guilty of calling paparazzi. I'm sure she's been guilty of having like too many, you know, pulling the strings. But yeah, none of these accusations are all that strong. And it's hard for me to jump on board of this group of people getting mad at Lindsay for posting a picture right after Carl breaking off their engagement on camera and then actually getting support and not wanting to publicize it? And like what, she was supposed to what,

get their permission? Like did these people were like, well you signed an NDA? I don't like, I don't know what it. Hey, are y'all good with this caption around the table? Is this neutral enough for you? Like, are you... How do we feel about this? Yeah, come on.

Honestly, at that table, they probably were like, cheers, girls rule, boys drool. Yeah. At some point, I feel like that was said. It seems a bit ridiculous. It does seem they're all united against Wes and his perspective in this reunion, I will say. Besides Jesse, Jesse could have his back.

Yeah, sure. I, can I, again, Wes is ongoing deeper this week. We, most of the conversation is around his fuckboy behavior and his lack of emotional maturity. And I think Wes has some growing up to do. I think he is a bit of a fuckboy. Does he acknowledge that? Well, you'll have to listen.

Oh, well, I guess I will. Two to not Thursday with me. So, but like West can be those things and I think no one, I think Ciara has no one to blame for her being upset other than Ciara. Well, there are feelings. There are. There are her feelings.

There are, but I, and I'm sure that was triggering for a lot of people who are listening, but If you if you disagree with me, I am just curious as to what changed West came on this show and was this like hey, man. I don't like relationships. I am afraid of them I have commitment issues I don't like relationships. I am afraid of them. I have commitment issues. He did seem to lie to Paige once when she asked him if he was sleeping with other girls.

But throughout the season, he had mentioned, I'm still talking to other women. I'm having a hard time giving up my roster. Everything he said was, I'm a fuck boy, I'm a fuck boy. I don't like relationships. I'm still texting other people. I'm also texting other people every step of the way. At any point, did he say anything different?

Like, so basically, the relationship conversation went something like this. Sierra like, hey, I only have sex with committed relationships. Wes being like, eh, I don't really get into relationships, I like to fuck. Sierra repeating herself, eh, I'm very serious about like, uh, I don't wanna sleep with anyone. Wes being herself, hey, I'm very serious about like, I don't wanna sleep with anyone. Wes being like, listen, I sleep around.

I think the issue is that they did sleep together and he knows that that's how she was extremely. No, I get it. And so why have sex with her if you're not going to be committed to her if that was her one thing. Bringing her home with the family. Took her to a wedding, took her to meet your family.

No, I get it. They did the classic thing. They did the boyfriend and girlfriend things. I get it. And he knows how she was moving that entire summer. He knows all the things she was cautious of, all the things she was, the boundaries, the guard. He knew all of it.

And he's still, once cameras went down, he's like still pursuing it. And then he's like, well, that's just, that's sex. Is he pursuing it or is she pursuing him or both? I don't know. Listen, I'm not saying Wes is without blame. She didn't invite herself to his parents' house. Okay, PR spin.

Or to his brothers in Chicago. Listen, if you've ever been one of those annoying people, including us, who have been like, a boundary is something you set for yourself, not with other people, then I'm just here to say that Sierra's boundary being like, I don't have sex with people I'm not in serious committed relationships with,

nothing about what Wes said changed. No, but he confirmed that boundary but then disrespected it by saying, okay, well I'll sleep with you, acknowledging that if I'm sleeping with you, you want this to be something serious, then he backtracked. I'm just, that's not how it works.

When someone says, But is it? I only have sex in committed relationships and then that same person says, do you wanna have sex? Do you expect West to say, are you sure? Or is he gonna say, okay? He's just gonna say, okay. He just is, I get it.

Like West, I get it, the most mature, the emotional mature thing for West to do would for him to be, listen, Ciara, you're right. Are you sure? Because you've told me, you've communicated your boundary, which your boundary isn't to like sleep. But West has admitted he's not emotionally immature. So why are we expecting the emotionally immature guy

to do the emotional mature thing? I think that West was, they went too hard on West. I mean, no. I think they went too hard on West, but I think Sierra is perfectly valid in feeling the way she did. Cause I think she's going up against like this normative culture of like,

you can hook up with Everybody but she's crying saying like I'm just not that girl No, I can see like she made that very clear and I think Wes was also very clear throughout the season Like I don't want to do that But then the second that I think to like Natalie's point that he slept with her that's where he answered her question Like he was trying he was giving her the confirmation of like I'm here But that is like by sleeping with her rolling move well like taking her the confirmation of like I'm here. But that is like. By sleeping with her? That's a rookie move. Well like taking her to the wedding, like everything.

Like he gave her the girlfriend treatment but also gave her like this is what you wanted to basically show me that you're serious. West has admitted essentially to being a fuck boy and that is a fuck boy move and doing the boyfriend and girlfriend things even when you're like hey listen, we're not boyfriend and girlfriend.

I'm not saying West is without criticism. He's with, it's not that, I'm confused by the audience and Sierra's reaction to acting surprised when West the whole time has been telling us who he is. And why are we acting like all of a sudden we thought West was one thing and now he's another? Well I'll tell you why, it's because he rooted it in, well, the Bravo Sphere audience is women,

all of this attention. So like he's rooting it in this this, he's kind of alluding to the fact that he's not used to getting attention from women and he wants the ability to flirt with other women, but he got this attention because he's with Ciara. So I think that's where it's like the reunion. I think West made the mistake of not,

I think the honest answer is yes, he is new to this. And he got famous overnight, and he's a 28 year old guy living in Manhattan, and he got famous overnight and he's a 28 year old guy living in Manhattan and he definitely didn't want to get into a committed relationship because he was getting all this attention You know what's worse than being West being Tom Sandoval? At the end of at the end of Scandival season 10 We had this iconic scene of Sheena going to Tom Sandoval being like he's's like, what was I supposed to do? And Sheena goes, break up. You end the relationship, you just be honest.

If you don't wanna be in this relationship, you just end it. You don't lie and deceit and whatever. And like, so West, again, you can be mad that he's a fuck boy and doesn't wanna get in a relationship, but he's essentially been honest the whole time. Well, I mean, to your point too, I was like, bravo, audiences.

Like, I think our biggest thing is feeling like dut, feeling like we were lied to. Wes was shown in a very great light. Yes, you're saying like, fuck boy, but like at the same time, the way that he's interacting with Sierra and whatnot, it gives you that idea that like, she's different. He is actually pursuing her. And then like the same thing to your point with Skandoval, why I think it blew up so big is because everybody believed that Tom Sandoval and Ariana were this like rock solid couple

then come to find out that he cheated with a close friend for seven months, however much it's like, oh, you've been lying to us the entire time and we were rooting for you. So now it's like, nope, it flips on its head. And then we're like, you're the bad guy. So I think that's what kind of happened. Everyone's rooting for Sierra and Wes to actually make it.

We all think that Wes is just like this great goofy guy that like kinda fucks around, but like maybe he's actually really interested in Sierra. And then- The second the cameras are down. It's, it's, well, these Bravo people like blah, blah, blah. You keep, he, I mean, he failed. His rebuttal was not good.

No, it's not good. But I, but what, what could he have said? Nothing? Yeah, I think they went too hard on him for the record I'm just honestly wonder like what if just for argument and I've met Sierra a couple times the little bit I know she seems like a lovely human I've only had wonderful interactions the brief time I had with her and obviously like even Andy Cohen Referred her as no homie, you know people like. People see her as some supermodel. What if? She actually is Victoria's Secret model, just saying.

Okay, there you go. What if West experienced an ick? Could he have said that? Could he have gone on the reunion and been like, to be honest, I don't know, she's a little annoying. Could he have said that? Well, he did say, I didn't want to be Sierra's puppet. Which was a terrible thing to say.

I think that's where he's saying he didn't want to be trapped under Sierra, being connected to Sierra as a person. Yeah, and that's why I kind of think it rubbed people the wrong way too, that it was just like, honey, this is your first season. Nothing he could have said, what could he have said? But to your credit though, if he was the puppet and he had an ick, he couldn't leave. So that's like the feeling there. I just don't think he could have communicated any type of, what do we know about their relationship? Like why, if you're rooting for West and Ciara, what are we rooting for? Two goofy people that dress up nice at parties.

Like. Two attractive people. One exceptionally attractive person and the other like, you know. Has a very good personality and is cute. And Weston Person is a very attractive guy. I think he's very charming and charismatic and like, I think they both had stunning outfits at the reunion.

But I'm just saying we're all. I think we just want these people on these shows to get together. Yeah. Yeah. And I think we're, it's like we are looking at Sierra as if like, and even Paige kind of alluded to, it's just like, how dare you not commit to this person? Like how dare you not date her? And I think it kind of gives a lot of people, like viewers, a bad taste in their mouth when

you watch somebody, like when they were going horseback riding and whatnot, where he's like, I'm scared of commitment, but I want to take you home for Thanksgiving. I want you to be at my friend's wedding, all this stuff, and it's just like, we've all been told that stuff by somebody who didn't mean it to you,

so I also think that kind of rubs people the wrong way as well. I am confused. What have they done, that statement you just said, I don't want a relationship, but I want to take you to meet my family. What about that statement isn't true with these guys? He didn't you just said, I don't want a relationship, but I want to take you to meet my family. What about that statement isn't true with these guys? He didn't say like, I don't want a relationship

or I don't want a relationship with you. It's like, oh, I'm scared of commitment. Oh, it's hard like ease into this with me, which seems like she's supposed to go on this ride with you for you to decide at some point you maybe want to date or you maybe don't. I mean, he's being pretty upfront though. Just when a guy says he's afraid of commitment,

or he's never had a girlfriend, just believe him. I agree with that. Also, in the history of relationships, a guy has never fallen, and it's like the classic mistake that everyone's made, guys don't fall in love from sex, they fall in love from missing you. And Sierra did the thing, you know,

it's just like, all right, we're filming, we cuddled, he took me to my parents, we went to a wedding, it's like he doesn't wanna commit yet, you know what I do? I'm gonna show him what's up, you know? And she showed him what's up, and Wes was like, thanks. It's just like, it never works. I don't know, it just bothers me.

I know it would be the wrong way. Well, it's interesting too, if he wasn't interested or didn't, it just rubs me of, I look. I know it will obviously the wrong way. Well it's an interesting too, where mostly if he wasn't interested or didn't wanna go out with her, why couldn't he just say that, but instead I'm like, I don't know if it's because of the cameras, I don't know. Why would you kind of, I don't know,

it feels like you're trying to have the best of both worlds. You wanna keep, have your cake and eat it too. I absolutely think West is emotionally immature and needs to grow up. Okay. But he acknowledges that. And I'm just confused as to... We're also, these fuckboys like West, we're the whole time, we're like, but you should commit,

commit. Why are you like this? You know, commit, commit, commit. You need to pursue this very attractive, very eligible, very wonderful woman. And then when they try to go on these dates and they deal with the boyfriend and girlfriend things, and at the end they're like, I'm sorry, I just have commitment issues. We act surprised. And I just don't understand why. I mean, again, you can say that it's deluded to believe somebody when they're giving you mixed signals or saying that, oh, I want to be in a relationship with you, but I'm just

scared of commitment. Or like, I just want to move slow, where I'm like, no, it's just a cop out. So I'm like, at the same time, like I'm not gonna fault a woman who likes a guy, because the guy said exactly what she wants to hear, and that she fell for it. What exactly what she wanted to hear was,

I'd love to work on this relationship and commit to you, and I'm definitely down to pursuing this relationship. And Wes, to our knowledge, never said that. He said a bunch of things that kind of sounded maybe like he was interested in a relationship. More along the lines of, I'm willing to like do the boyfriend and girlfriend things. Which, it's 2024, inviting someone to a wedding

or introducing them to your parents in 2024 does not mean you want a relationship. Okay, but that's where Ciara discloses it. She's like, I'm not that woman. I'm a traditional person and these things happen. But then, unless they have the conversation where it's like, we are boyfriend and girlfriend, we are not going, like you're setting the rules, then it's kind of like,

well, we never really set that rule. True, yeah. Well, why is she doing the thing she says she doesn't do if she's not in a relationship? Why is she going to his house? Why is she going to a wedding? Why is she sleeping with him? But again, that's what I'm saying.

We don't know what conversations were had off camera to make her feel comfortable to go do that. You're right, we don't, but you would think those would have come out. I think Paige would have said something, or Sierra would have said something. Wes says, we didn't define the relationship, no one said shit.

I think what it is is we can't fault Wes for being transparent, because he was transparent. That being said, I don't think he didn't define the relationship, no one said shit. I think what it is is we can't fault Wes for being transparent, because he was transparent. That being said, I don't think he wasn't in the wrong for the way he treated Sierra. I think Sierra's very valid if you feel that way. I think he's in the wrong in the sense that he is still emotionally immature, he has some growing up to do,

and he always is gonna risk leading people on the way he led on Sierra. I'm also saying that Sierra, and I think Sierra knows this, I think she's a very intelligent person, who even when she was like, shut the fuck up, Jesse, you could tell she's just, like, she's not really mad at Jesse, she's just mad.

She's hurt, she's upset about the situation. And I think when the dust settles, Sierra's gonna know that she has no one to blame but herself, because she knows better. And I just think. She was a little naive. I think she can acknowledge that at the end of the day, and Wes can also grow up, and I think we can acknowledge that at the end of the day, and Wes can also grow up, and I think we can stop acting so surprised

that this happened, because this was, like he literally was saying the whole time, this is what's gonna happen, and then it happened, and now we're acting surprised. Well she was still collateral damage though. I think that's like my perspective of it.

Like we're not surprised, but she's still. Well you know what they say, again a boundary is something you set for yourself and she didn't enforce her own boundary and that is why this happened. And I don't know how, if you disagree, fine, but like why? I'm just curious, honestly, in the comments, let me know how wrong I am. I'm sure you will, but like I'm just honestly confused. Anyways, we do have West on and he does address a lot of the stuff and you can decide for yourself Whether he's shown growth since the reunion or not Jesse Lolley

You know Jesse really kind of uh also like I do think Paige is by far the most emotionally Intelligent person on this cast by mile and almost like everything Paige says I agree with I honestly even when it comes to us, I think she feels a little bit bad But I think West was failing so bad at the reunion. There was that moment when West said, I think it was something about the DMs or like just the fan attention and Paige kind of goes wrong audience. And it's like, I think Paige, like the professional was like, I love you West. And you're my friend, but like, I got, I gotta put you in your place because like, you're just saying the dumbest shit right now.

And I feel like that whole monologue at the end of the episode was more Her being like you're being too stupid for too long. Mm-hmm. Not your audience Yeah, but then Danielle said that her words are damaging. Don't go on reality TV Danielle Okay, there you go. You can't tell someone that their ITMs are damaging like that is pages doing her fucking job I enjoy them So like maybe I guess in the internet and maybe in the comments you could maybe have an argument, but that's what you signed up for. I thought Paige's confessionals were hilarious.

Same. And exactly what I was thinking. CEO of what? 98% of everything Paige says I agree with. Read my mind. Oh, question. How old are you? Ugh.

42. Okay, yeah, you're my age. So, the Valley, not to, it's over, but recently Jesse Lally revealed that he had an affair with Anna Nicole Smith. Wow. Right? Well, that's a blast from the past. But like, that was kind of like, back in the day, she was in like the nineties.

Iconic. She was the Marilyn Monroe of the nineties, right? She was the Marilyn Monroe of the nineties. It would be like if someone, it would be like if some 22 year old model today like randomly was like, yeah, I hooked up with Kim Kardashian over the summer. That's how big of a deal it was back then.

It's still kind of douchey that like 20 years later, Jesse is like. Claim to fame. You know, pointing that out, but kind of like, wow. You think it's how we all. All at the same time. It's how we felt when Pete Davidson and Kim Kardashian got together.

Probably, yeah. That's shocking, didn't see that one coming. But at least Pete Davidson was famous. This is true. He was just some random model, like hooking up with Anna Nicole Smith. So do you respect him more now? I don't respect him at all. But I am impressed.

He really peaked, I guess is what I'm saying. Before the all. But I am like I am it's like it's he really peaked I guess is what I'm saying before the show. Oh my god. Okay Yeah, agreed. What do you think his life has gotten better or worse since he's been on the valley? I'm sure he's more rich now. I mean he's gotten divorced. He's gotten I mean his Has his new girlfriend is that new girlfriend, is that real? Well, we'll see her on the show. Will she be on the show? Season two?

Maybe, we don't know, not confirmed. Did you watch Baby Reinder? Yeah, I had to turn it off on the episode where it was his agent that he was like- I had to turn it off too eventually. It's a tough watch. It's a rough watch. Yeah, after a while you're like like this is a little too heavy for me Did you ever have a stalker? I?

Yeah, you have yeah, I say that like I'm excited. You are sorry First of all, I'm sorry. I'd experienced that it was fine. You have had a stalker. Yeah, well, it didn't get too bad, but When I was working on a show in Texas, there was this woman who I don't know how she got there but somehow the director had met her, was like, you should come to set, and I like chatted with her, and then like there was one time where I like came into my trailer and she's in there.

No. And I was like, oh, hi. Another time I went in my trailer, my dog was gone, and I asked one of the PAs, I was like, did Pippin get out? Like what happened? And she's like, I don't know. And then this woman came up with my dog on a leash. She was like, oh, I like, did Pippin get out? Like, what happened? And she's like, I don't know. And then this woman came up with my dog on a leash.

She was like, oh, I decided to walk Pippin. I was like, so then we just basically had to, you know, put a know this person rule on set. I think I saw her outside. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the real life stalker on Baby Reindeer, her name is Fiona Harvey,

is suing Netflix for $170 million. I feel like Netflix is gonna win. Yeah. You think so? You don't? So she's accusing them of defamation, intentional infliction of emotional distress, negligence, gross negligence, and violations of right of publicity. And she basically quotes that in the first episode,

it said, the series claimed to be a true story as written in the first episode. Okay,, the series claimed to be a true story as written in the first episode. Okay, but my question with that is that, obviously name change, which is like one of the main things when you write a book about somebody or whatever, it's not identifying them. She's the one that went on a news outlet and outed herself. So I'm like, it's not really defamation

because they didn't use your name and your likeness, or maybe your likeness, but like, even then, you're the one that outed yourself about it so how is this Netflix's problem? I would agree. It's interesting though because they have been writing them saying this is a true story. Because it is. Yeah. It's based off a true story. I'm guessing Netflix's legal team is better than hers. Yeah for sure. They had a conversation before they made this whole thing and asked you know and got ahead of it. Because also Netflix isn't the first show or movie to say

based on a true story. But they didn't say based. Yeah, they said this is a true story. But it's different. But it's a justice point. It's probably not the first time that's said either. She's saying Netflix, every single thing that they said this woman did in this TV show,

they are saying that this Fiona woman did. So there's no exaggeration, there's no adding, there's no you know but also she outed herself they're saying that she did everything they use the exact tweets and they've that's how people found her because they put her tweets on there obviously spelled fucking crazy because for some reason she couldn't text or tie I was going on there but he played himself as well, right? Yeah. So it's not hard to, like, back search that for Gen Z kids. Yeah.

Did any of you guys watch the Piers Morgan interview? Yes, she went on the Piers Morgan interview. Yeah, and first of all, she was bat-shit crazy. I mean, she was going all over the place. But the thing that was interesting for me on that was the fact that she... the points that you guys are bringing up in the sense that, you know points that you guys are bringing up

in the sense that, you know, people were, it was so easy for people to track her down. So she didn't really out herself. People were able to so easily find who she was based on all the information that was given on this essentially scripted show on Netflix. And so I don't, you know, do I think she's a sane person? No. Do I think that she's somebody who probably should have been in prison which she ended up

not going to prison spoiler alert for anybody who hasn't seen the show but there is I do think she has a little bit of an argument there in the sense that they didn't really go to great lengths to hide her identity. Maybe not but I think there's a big difference between having a couple internet trolls figure out who you are and then you yourself going on Pierce Morgan, a nationally, I don't know, it's on YouTube or whatever, a big show and saying, I'm the person this is about. So whatever she was experiencing online trumped in comparison to the attention she brought unto herself when she announced to the world, this is about me. Prior to that,

people were just in her comments. So there's a huge difference. And I just feel like, I'm not a lawyer, I'm guessing Netflix has anticipated all of this. I guess is my, did they really think that they were gonna make a TV show? Yeah, like a huge one and promote it. About a stalker, about a person who they believe to be not of sound mind and not anticipate that that person wouldn't be a pain in their ass?

This whole show is about someone who's a pain in the ass. So I'm just guessing Netflix anticipated this and I don't think it's I don't think she's gonna win and my guess is Still a lot with she might get like a settlement for not 170 million dollars Just depending upon how good the argument is. I didn't I'm not rooting for Stalkers. Hmm. They're scary. That's my number one fear I was like I feel like most people have like irrational fears of like spiders and snakes and like stalkers because They're scary. That's my number one fear. I was like, I feel like most people have like irrational fears of like spiders and snakes and like stalkers because you don't know what's happening to you while it's happening. Yeah, there's no sense of reality. It's true delusion.

And somebody's created a story for you or like memorize the times you take your dog out or get home from work or whatever that is. Like that whole behavior to me just really freaks me out because it's real and it happens. And some people that are definitely not sane can take it a step further with kidnapping or letting them breaking and entering. Dog napping. Yeah, and thinking that it's logical.

Showing up at your house. How many stalker episodes are on Criminal Minds? I don't know. There's been like 350 episodes of that show. Such a great show. One of now these favorites What can we expect from you this season? Well, you know last season I kind of was You kind of saw the mask of this character the serial killer and the family man and all I wanted to do was keep his family Together now. I'm basically in a cell and

Just doing whatever I can to annoy everyone and kind of get under their skin and manipulate anyone It's been fun though because also they gave me a little leeway so I get to fuck with people off script and kind of poke buttons that I know they have. Any prominent serial killers that you did any character studies for for this character? No. Real or otherwise? No, definitely not. I mean, I've watched enough true crime documentaries and stuff, but it's all on the page.

And then, you know, what's fun about this character is my kind of thought was, oh, I just want people to like this guy. So then they're confused about why they're rooting for him to get away. It's always fun when you like the bad guy. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what this says about us.

It's really, like, in my head. Or just projecting our own shit. All right, well, Thursday, we got a great episode. We'll be talking about episodes four through six of Perfect Match. Tolu from Perfect Match will be joining us as well. Plus we'll be getting into all the Bravo antics. What is Jax Taylor?

Whose life is he ruining this week? I'm going deeper. Plus West Wilson is with us. We basically interrogate him about his fuck boy ways and status and we see if maybe, if is there a light at the end Of the tunnel for for West is he? Does he at least see the error of his ways and is there growth in his future? But I'm tuning in It's a great episode. You will not want to miss it

Also, Zach, where where can we follow you promote you? What else are you working on? You got criminals my criminal mind criminal minds out there. I'm a real boring follow But you can go and follow me Seven someone took Zach Guilford before I was even there. So I was like, all right throw seven on that shit You know every now and then I post something it's a little like nugget for you But yeah, no, who knows. Just watch my shit. Watch me act.

For those of you who didn't know, Criminal Minds, iconic on Friday Night Lights, obviously House of Usher. House of Usher was recently, it was a great show, you had a great role in that. What else have you been in? Lots of stuff. I don't know, Midnight Mass was a great show you had a great role in that what else you've been in lots of stuff I know Midnight Mass was cool. I'm a mass awesome Another great show. Yeah, you're a lot of great stuff. I've been lucky. I'm my for you You know you can wash Because you feel like an asshole if you're like no I was on this thing it's good you like it

I feel like it asshole if you're like, no, it was on this thing, it's good, you like it. And people are like, no, it's not for me. People are like, never heard of it. They're like, no, it's not for me. Yeah. You're like, oh, fuck. You're on some great stuff now. You should be proud. I appreciate it.

I'm proud for you. Thank you guys for listening. We'll be back on Thursday. We have a lot of great things lined up for you. Tune in, we'll see you then, bye. You