The Viall Files - E767 RR - Perfect Match Finale, Love Island, Camilla Luddington, and RHONJ’s Team Teresa

Episode Date: June 25, 2024

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skin throughout potty training. Learn more at Huggies.com. Once again, head to huggies.com to learn more. What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another fantastic episode of the Vilephiles Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick, and boy do we have an episode for you. Joined by the household, a lot to get into. The mother of my child, my wife, Nally Joy, will be with us momentarily. Our babysitter showed up late.

Oh, she's here, oh my gosh. Oh my god, everyone, of applause for Natalie Joy. She showed up everyone. Yay. Well, while my wife gets situated. Nick was just in the middle talking shit or what? Oh my god, no, we literally just got started. Baby sitter, talking shit about her, baby sitter.

Don't talk shit about her. Yeah, I mean we love her, she's a little late. But anyways, a lot to get into. Boy, do we have a great week lined up for you. Some housekeeping notes. The one and only Micah Lucier from Perfect Match is with us. She returns to the Vile Files

for an intense episode of Going Deeper. It's a special episode. Again, this week we have two episodes of Reality Recap. Today and Thursday and tomorrow. Tomorrow is a special Going Deeper. With Micah Lucier, it's just a Going Deeper. Just the interview with Micah. We'll It's just a Going Deeper, just the interview with Micah. We'll be doing more of this because we know we're just

trying to give you guys what you want. We've heard you, we've listened, more reality recap, more just us, the household, and a bunch of guests coming in talking about your favorite topics. And then when we have a juicy, captivating, groundbreaking interview, you best believe we'll bring it to it to you going deeper style. So that is this week It's a fall week. We can't wait to give it to you. Can't we get to bring it to you give it to you that sounded Hmm explicit it did Camilla Luddington is with us today round of applause for Camilla. We're excited to have her she joins us later Later, she joins us later? Later. She joins us

later. Boy, next week is the 4th of July so next week's schedule. Full week this week. Next week, Monday Ask Nick. Tuesday Reality Recap. And then we're gonna let you, you know, shoot off some fireworks or whatever you guys want to do on your fourth. But stay safe out there. Stay safe. Alright, it's time for household headlines. What have we got for you today? Do we not have a jingle yet? Wait, I heard one.

No, that was someone not putting their phone on silent. Oh wow, but it was perfect timing. That was a picture of my baby. Oh my gosh, she's stunning. Sue me for that. It was perfect timing though. All right, household headlines. Jingle coming.

Dun, dun, dun. Okay, come on. What were you gonna do? Nothing, now it's time for household headlines. Jingle coming. Dun dun dun. Okay, come on. What were you gonna do? Nothing, now I'm super happy. Moments passed. All right, so we have Taylor Swift back on the Arrows Tour in London, and the Royals have met the American Royals

because we have Prince William with his children taking a photo with Taylor Swift. Minus wife. Minus wife. Is she still recovering? I tell you what, William looked like he was having a ball, wife or not. This has been my new favorite trend,

is kind of watching middle-aged men dancing at Taylor Swift concerts, especially those of well-known background. It was Bradley Cooper, this time watching the Prince of Wales just getting down to Taylor Swift. No, what was it, his dance was... It was like a His dance was... It was like a... It was like that.

It was cute. Ashton Kutcher was at an Eras concert recently as well. Same concert, wasn't it? I think it was a different night, but him and Mila Kunis are in there and you've got Ashton Kutcher doing the aggressive finger point dance. Like he's like, shake it off, shake it off.

And you're like, oh God, babies. How much fun am I allowed to have without you? If I take the kiddos to a concert, how much fun am I allowed to have in public? Well, you know, I feel like if we've been down in the dumps for quite some time, you know, go let off some steam, enjoy time with the kids. I don't want you to be like sucking the life out

for the children, you know? Like let's have fun for the children. Gotcha. But inside, should I be? Oh, you should be dead inside. Dead inside. Maybe while you're dancing, at least one glistening tear down your cheek,

that's just like, I'm doing the best I can. Yeah, yeah. I want you to be wearing a shirt that says, I miss my wife. Yeah, where's wearing a shirt that says, I miss my wife. Yeah, where's William's shirt that says, thinking about it. No, he needs the like, the mixed tape CD shirt of like, Kate and all these like, bad girl, you know,

like have you seen those? From like the 90s. Yeah, they're like. That's my girl. He needs one of those shirts to wear. Have you been to the Aeros store? We haven't, no. You guys need to go.

No, I know. It's just like our daughter's putting such a, making it difficult. Someone did have a baby in Paris at one of her tour dates. Were they wearing the headphones, the earplugs? I think they laid the baby down. Like we love Taylor, we do.

But I don't know if we're bringing River. What's your go-to concert dance move? Not this. I don't know. A shimmy, a steps to the side. I dance behind Natalie. That's fair. And I twerk that ass. You know what I mean.

Whatever, sometimes I'm like, oh shit. But I'm just, I'm here, I'm there. I'm there to compliment. Yeah, it's not about me anymore. You're the accessory. Very much so, yes. I'm happy to play that role. Wait, that's kind of cute though

because usually the woman is like the diamond, like the ring, you know? Sure, yeah, okay. Well, period, no, he's, no, no, no, we're each other's arm candy. Remember that photo that we took that we're like, this is the best photo of us that we've ever taken and we'll never like up it?

Okay, the fact that you don't know what I'm talking about, we'll move on. Well, speaking of, I don't know, having... Arm candy. Wait, I was thinking of arm candy. Did we see Travis Kelce dancing on stage with Taylor? I did see that. Yes, he filled in for a dancer, apparently.

Filled in or did they like the dancer that where they like set this one out? I don't know. I don't know. All I know is that he was dressed up. They found a costume that fit him. He's putting his little like makeup on. Oh it's iconic. Yeah it's the most adorable display. They found a costume that fit him. That man is huge. They made one for him. That man, that's a guy who looks like he's hosted SNL. That's a man who does not give off NFL player. Yeah. You know? Yeah.

He wears so many different hats. Literally. He's giving theater. Giving hot. Just like carrying her body around the stage. Are you kidding? I mean, let's like think about it. This all started when Travis Kelsey on his podcast like shot a shot, you know, think about it like it's he's really inspiring all podcasters out there

You miss a hundred percent of the shots you don't take. I don't think of him as an NFL superstar to me. He's a podcaster Super Bowl champion and proving that anything's possible for us podcasters out there So just shoot your shot, listen. You know, yeah, Michael Jordan. I was like, you already did. Yeah, I'm not, okay. I'm not talking about, if there's more than the life that just love, I mean nothing.

Is there? I mean, this is going nowhere fast. All I'm saying is like, shoot your shot, you know, go for it. And then, you know, thanks for being a light, Travis, to us podcasters out there. Okay. So, you know, thanks for being a light, Travis, to us podcasters out there. Okay. Well, speaking of light, Ben Affleck claims

Jennifer Lopez's fame is fucking bananas. He went on a show and he was talking about how when he goes anywhere with Jennifer, I can't remember because she's so famous and she creates this, people love her, and she really represents something important to people. We get out with her, all the kids through Times Square and the shit was like fucking bananas.

So it seems like Ben Affleck is, is he shocked by the fact that Jennifer Lopez is as famous as she is or disturbed by it? I think he's just acknowledging it. I think also I saw where he was like, listen, I, did he say he like doesn't like attention or something? And then he was like, I go out and there's all these cameras in my face.

Like that's why I always look fucking miserable. Like some guys in my face be like, Ben, Ben, how are you today? He's like, I'm just fucking pissed. Like if- Are you divorced or not? Like who are you? Like why, do you want me to smile for that?

Like sorry, that doesn't put me in a good mood. I think there's clearly degrees of fame and I think there's degrees to which how much people might enjoy it, right? I'm sure when Ben Affleck was younger, I'm sure when him and Matt were on the couch writing scripts, fantasizing about their fame, I'm sure that excited them, you know? But I think they also wanted just to be actors, right? And I think as they've gotten famous,

I think you can decide what parts about, like any job, I'm sure there's a lot of people wanted just to be actors, right? And I think as they've gotten famous, I think you can decide what parts about, like any job, I'm sure there's parts about this job, you're like, fuck man, next time I get to be doing this shit again. And there's other parts about it you quite like, right? There's aspects of every job that you like or dislike. And I think with Ben or other famous people,

not to compare myself to either of these two, but like, yeah. I, like, the attention part of being a public figure, I like less and less, you know? It's a means to an end, it gives me certain opportunities. Like, Tom Cruise, also at the Aris Tour, that man is always fucking on. That man loves being a superstar.

He was born to be a superstar. Every interaction he meets with a fan, he is on, he is present, he is making that person feel like they're the only person in the world. When he steps out of the door, he is like, I am Tom Cruise, the movie star. And he loves that, right? Not everyone loves that.

Ben wants to get his fucking Dunkin' Donuts, and he wants to just mope around town and be left alone, and he doesn't want pictures taken of him, and I think that's totally okay. And I think for anyone being like, well, you chose this life, it's like, what? No, like at some point, yes, he decided to be a movie star or an actor,

and this is what happened. I guess you could criticize him for marrying J.Lo, but love is love. I will say this is convenient timing that he's saying this because this is coming off the curtails of Jennifer Canceling her tour and people speculating that they're separating so it's convenient that now he's coming up They're like well She's actually fucking like famous and like what is our happy like it's almost like he's cleaning up because all this is happening right now We're speculating they split and that she cancelled her tour because she couldn't sell tickets

But now she's still fucking famous and they're actually happy, you know what I mean? Not really. Like, just a lot of people are saying it's convenient that he's saying this right now. But I think the fact that you're saying this is more, makes his point over, it's just like, I'm just like, Kevin Hart,

I think this was an interview with Kevin Hart, right? Yes, on Hart to Hart. Kevin asked me a question, I'm giving an honest answer. And like, why can't people just take my answer for face value? I'm just saying my wife is way more famous than me and it kind of blows my mind. Like-

Wait, what is this with Kevin Hart? He did an interview. That's what we're talking about. Ben Affleck. Ben Affleck. Oh, and this. And Justin is saying, well, is this like some sort of conspiracy theory around the rumors

that he didn't start? It's just convenient. Yeah, maybe or- Maybe convenient on Kevin Hart's part for asking the question, Well, is this like some sort of conspiracy theory around the rumors that he didn't start? Yeah, maybe or maybe convenient on Kevin Hart's part for asking the question But I don't I don't think it's like convenient on Ben for answering it. That's right. I guess that's what I'm saying It's just and listen, we love it. We love fandom We love that all you listening and us love to speculate But if I'm putting myself in the you know, and Ben's chair I can appreciate why that part of fame, like the speculation of every little thing

and there always has to be some sort of conspiracy theory or alternative motive to every one of their moves, it's gotta be fucking annoying. And I think for Ben, he's just like, I have money, I'm good, I don't need more. And I think there are certain J-Lo's and the Tom Cruise, like they're not doing it for the money at this point. They're doing it to be fucking rock stars.

And I don't think Ben Affleck has any interest in being a rock star. And I get it. That's what I was gonna say, I was like, maybe it's more like him, cause he's such like a normal guy kind of guy that I'm like, with what he chose to do for a career, it obviously comes with everything.

Now your wife is super famous, or like you both are super famous, but I'm like, do you think it's him trying to have his cake and eat it too by being like, I'm a normal guy, but it's like, your life isn't normal, your wife is not normal. I mean, sure, but like, that's, I don't,

I'll never understand why fans, I guess it's, maybe it's his human nature, right? Like obviously Ben Affleck has a first class life. We don't know whatever trauma or pain, you know what I'm saying? But the outside looking in, he presents as privileged, successful, famous, tall, good looking, has it all, right?

Tell me more. I'm just saying, but like as fans, sometimes we will act as if like, how dare you not be grateful for everything you have, I would give anything for it. And Ben Affleck or any other celebrity is not allowed to speak on anything about their life that they're not a fan of. Oh yeah.

Which I think is kind of, I guess, nuts. I would hate to go to the grocery store and get photographed or go out to dinner and it's just people taking photos of you. Or I'm like, just take a little bit of privacy. I didn't do my hair today. Just running an errand. Again, J-Lo can't go out without glam.

No. That's true. Oh, that sucks. Taking her kids. I think there was a video of her walking around the Grove and it was paparazzi stalking her and she's just like, I'm just with my kid trying to go shopping. It's also the Grove.

Every single one of us, if we got out of bed and the first thing we did went to our favorite coffee shop only to have paparazzi take pictures of us, we'd all look like we fell off the wagon. But just because Ben Affleck has a substance abuse problem and is very vulnerable about his addictions and is always trying to get healthy, every time he gets a cup of coffee, we're like,

holy shit, Ben's like losing his mind. And like, I don't know, maybe he just woke up and he wants some coffee. Like. Don't talk to me before 10 a.m. kind of thing. Yeah, and we're all like speculating and here we are just like shocked that he is like, maybe doesn't want to be as famous as his wife

or that like, or that it blows, it blows himself away. And it's like here he is trying to acknowledge, like, yeah, that's great, but honestly it probably fucking sucks. Jennifer Lawrence will be starring in a Real Housewives inspired murder mystery film titled The Wives. I love this cause Jennifer Lawrence is a huge Bravo fan,

huge Real Housewives fan. So I think she's gonna not only do it justice, but I just feel like it's gonna be so good. Also it's Apple TV, so we know it's gonna be like high quality programming. Yeah, it is interesting. A lot of A-list actors use Housewives as like character, like inspirations. Because Sarah Paulson does a Meredith Marks impression.

Anya Taylor loves someone from Salt Lake City. Jennifer Lawrence is a big fan. Lisa Renna, like one of her newest films is based on like her character in Housewives. Genesis Rodriguez, who was on, talked about she, Real Housewives of Miami. She used to inspire her acting. I wonder who else is gonna be in this film

with Jennifer Lawrence. Who do we want? If it's a... Jennifer Lawrence, who is she playing? Co-star? Playing alongside. Her cast? Co-star. No, playing alongside. Her cast? Co-star. Isn't it like that frame, alongside? You're co-starring, but sure.

Who do you want to co-star for this? I would say, oh, Jessica Chastain. Oh. She's from Sacramento. Who's Killing Who? It's a murder mystery. I love murder mysteries. I feel like Jessica and Jennifer, JJ,

they are just besties and they are working together, for sure. Jennifer's dying, but not actually dying. Like you think she's dead, but she's the one that faked her death. It's giving Gone Girl. Gone Girl. Okay.

What man do we want in this? Who's playing the husbands? Ooh. Can we throw Maurizio in there? The real housewife? Do we think they're gonna like, do you think we're gonna be able to watch it and be like, oh, this is Kyle Richards,

or like, oh, this is Dorit, or you know. I think so. Jennifer Lawrence is a fan of Salt Lake City and Beverly Hills. And Dallas, and Dallas specifically, so. Jennifer Lawrence is a Dallas girl. Yep. Are we sleeping a Dallas girl. Yep. Are we sleeping on Dallas?

It's canceled. It no longer exists. It had like four seasons and then got canceled. It wasn't very good. A lot of people liked it though. Sierra said it wasn't very good. I didn't watch it. It was just people going to fancy parties

and them talking about, fighting about their hat designs. It was just not, it wasn't giving. It lasted like four seasons. There you go. Okay. Darren Criss named his son brother, brother Laszlo Criss. And in case there was any confusion,

it is his second baby. What's his first baby's name? He was a brother. And now- Yeah, what is his first baby's name? Is it- Cousin? Afternoon.

Firstborn. You're endangering your child. On the playground. Yeah. Yeah, what is his first baby's name? Is it... Cousin? Afternoon? Sister? Firstborn? You're endangering your child. On the playground. Yeah. Definitely will get bullied for sure. Yeah, he's gonna get bullied. You're setting your kid up to get bullied.

Hopefully he'll go by his middle name. The first child's name is Bluezy. Okay, so Bluezy and brother. Bluezy brother. Blues brothers? Brother blues. Brother blues. Bluezy brothers.

I am a sucker for creative names. So I'm not knocking it. You think brother's creative? I think it's brother. Blues brothers? Brother blues. Brother blues. I am a sucker for creative names. So I'm not knocking it. You think brother's creative? I think it's different. Different is not the same as creative. I have never met someone named brother. Okay. So I respect.

But it's not creative because you've heard the word. You've used the word, you've heard the word brother over and over and over again. So it's not creative. But I've never. They didn't make it up. If you guys bring me like, if you're like, hey Nick, I did a bunch brother over and over and over again. So it's not creative. But I've never, if you guys bring me like, if you're like, hey Nick, I did a bunch of creative. I, and you bring me a bunch of like, well, this is a book.

And creative is like, you make up a name. You put something and something together and you create a new name. Stevan. Stevan. Stevan is creative. Steve, Evan, Stevan. Stevan is creative. Kid, Evan, Steven. Steven is creative.

Kid, not creative. I think it's kind of Rizzy. Brother? I think it's Rizzy. Imagine being in class. What's Rizzy? Charisma. It's got cool.

It's got personality. Imagine being in class and the substitute is like, brother, and you're like, here. Every... Or at the fast food and someone's like, brother, your order. What about bro? What if he named his kid bro?

It's the same thing, bro for short. Exactly. You're gonna call him bro? Hey bro. No, this guy, first of all, yes, unfortunately bullying is wrong, it's not okay. He's gonna get bullied. Second of all, what do we,

like when we forget people's names, we're like, hey bro, hey brother, hey man, hey guy. No one's ever gonna forget his name. Hey sport, no one's ever gonna forget his name. But he won't ever, no, it's like. He won't know it's him. He won't, he will never think he's actually being acknowledged.

He's like, no, what's really, what's my name? Who is this person who? Darren Criss. Darren Criss. He's a Broadway star. He's from Glee. He's on Glee. Why does he hate his fucking kids? He doesn't wanna be a dad. No, I think, I mean, he's a very lovely person.

I just, I don't. Have you met him? We have mutual friends that have said nothing but nice things, but I'm like, yeah, he seems like a nice guy. I don't know why. He played a nice guy on Grey. Why would you name your kid brother? Maybe he's setting them up to be in a band.

Someone insert crickets. Maybe. Lazy brothers. Listen, I think it's the same as like, we did all criticize Northwest and now Northwest is a cool fucking name. So maybe it'll age on us, I don't know. Well what's the most unique baby name you've heard recently?

Northwest is not a cool baby name. I think it is. Oh I think it is. You're just old and you're like, oh I like the name Linda. No, I don't, we were talking about, I don't know. Last night he was like, what names? And I was like, what names do you like? And he was like, I like really And I was like, what names do you like?

And he was like, I like really like, I think, no, no, I think really traditional names for boys. And I was like, oh, okay, like what? And he was like, I think like victory. No. Victory for a boy. Victory is cool. That's not how the conversation went.

Traditional. That is that. He said, and we'll call him Roy. Patriotic. Traditional. Where? We'll call him Roy. Patriotic. Traditional. Where? We'll call him Roy. I've got a question for you.

Victory. He said, I'm trying to think of a victory. You're cherry picking the conversation. How do you get Roy from victory? But we hate brother. Victoria. No, no. I said, as we were going to bet,

if you had to name our second kid today, right now, what would you name it? Right, so we came up with some names. Then she had said, what about you? I said, she said, what about a boy? I said, well, for boys, I think I do like more traditional names. And then we were talking about River Rose, we have the alliteration RR,

but Natalie wants to, was thinking Joy, wants to, you know, was thinking, Joy, you know, wants to, you know, where did Victor come in? Oh, boy, Victor Vile. So like, I was thinking, oh, what are some V names? And then I just happened to say Victory, knowing clearly I would not. No, but then you're like, and nickname is Roy. You had a whole like layout after.

You weren't just like spit balling ideas. I was letting it marinate, but I had moved on from the traditional name. Well, you didn't tell me we had moved on. So you're like, I think traditional, hmm, victory. There was no, like, I think traditional. And now I'm pivoting and moving on from traditional, and I'm going to throw out victory. I like victory.

I don't. I would. I do. It's also not I like victory. You would. I don't. I would, I do. It's also not creative. It's patriotic. Are you gonna name your second kid Liberty, Justice, NASA perhaps? Did you see there's NASA astronauts

stuck in the international space? Astronauts. Astronauts. NASA astronauts stuck in the international space station after Boeing's Starliner capsule has issues. Boeing? Like let's just stop. We're getting on Boeing Starliner capsule has issues. Boeing? Like, let's just stop. We're getting on a plane today.

Is it a Boeing? I'm getting on a plane on Thursday. And I know for a fact mine is a Boeing and I have so much anxiety about it. I'm like, those things, it's like the wings are falling off. There's like a thousand flights every day. So, you know, odds are still pretty in our favor.

That's true. Yeah, but it's just happening more increasingly in a smaller period of time. And it's like, oh, just a door flying off. Are the space people gonna be okay? They have 45 days to be brought back, so. That doesn't seem like a lot to make a new spaceship. Where are they currently waiting?

International Space Station. In space. Up in space, attached. They're in space. Like, let's stop, you know? Like, let's stop exploring the ocean in submarines, let's stop exploring the ocean and submarines. Let's stop. Like, we've been to space, right?

We know what's up there. Let's just stop at this point. Like, people, it's not, I feel like it was safe when our first astronaut landed on the moon. I feel like it was safe. I feel like it's gone. I feel like we've declined. Do you not?

Civilians shouldn't be in space. Like, I feel like it should. Civilians absolutely should not be in space. What are you doing? You should be, like, properly trained for that. Natalie does have a point, because we haven't, like, stepped on the moon since the first landing.

And it's giving suspicious. And, you know, I feel like everyone's like, no, our technology, everything's getting better and better and better, and it seems like, but everything seems to be getting worse. Like, why is it that everything that's taking us to space or the bottom of the ocean is like not put together right? Because we shouldn't go there.

Like two plus two equals four. It does, are you sure? I don't know. I don't know. Like it seems weird to me and people just need to sit at home. Would you go to space or the ocean for free? Absolutely not. I know.

I've got you my life. I will say a lot of the free trips that happen to space, like bad things happen, right? So maybe not space. Justin's only going with brother and with victory and- And Jeff Bezos. And Justice. I would go to the ocean though.

Cause there's a lot of that. You would? I would. You would do a submersible. I wouldn't do like the Titanic part two experience. If the Navy took me, I'd go. I lot of that. I would. You would do a submersible. I wouldn't do like the Titanic part two experience. If the Navy took me, I'd go. I would do that. Like in a submarine.

Yeah. That would go like. The US Navy. I would know. Absolutely. The last place I wanna be is stuck in a capsule in water. I'm with you. You have to do it with the expectation

that you're gonna see a creature we've never known existed or like a Megalodon. I don't wanna know that they exist. I don't know if I wanna see a Megalodon down there. I don't want to know that they exist. I don't know if I want to see a megalodon down there. I don't even know what a megalodon is. A giant shark. Just watch the movie. Don't want to see that.

Megalodon. I also don't want to be in a capsule where at any point it can just randomly combust or implode. That is true with the technology. And I'm just, I'm not true, I mean, my lovely wife, but like, can't we just like AI 3D this shit? Like can't you- Send a drone?, can't we just like AI 3D this shit? Can't you get-

Send a drone? Why don't we have binoculars? No, I'm just saying, can't you just like go into like a box and it like looks, it's a simulation. Why don't you just watch Titanic? Binoculars? And it's a good one. Why aren't we standing on a yacht

in the middle of the ocean with binoculars that see the bottom of the ocean? Is that a thing? I just watched Titanic. The technology of what it is today, they're trying to make these massive submarines that are like, obviously not put together well because they're combusting at the bottom of the ocean.

Just make, just look, that's all we're doing, right? No one's touching anything, just look. That's true. That's what you're doing in a submarine, you're just looking. Or not even going on a yacht, but just giving you goggles that give you that experience. I would like to be far away from the ocean

in case I do. Virtual reality. Virtual reality, yeah. Like the Oculus. I will say there was a story recently of a man that spent like 90 days down in the ocean where there was no light and he came back up looking younger than he was before. So, natural face.

How much younger? They didn't specify, but younger. No UV rays hit him. You look like a whole week younger. You look like you did last year. Wait, isn't there something about space where you time- Well, time is slower in space. Yeah, because there's nothing happening.

Let's not pretend we know how to talk about space on this show. We are a pop culture. Speaking of pop culture, Netflix is set to revive MTV's classic Pimp My Ride. Never seen it. What? I've never seen it either. That's not true, wait, I have no idea.

I know there's a hot tub in the back of one of the cars. Yeah, I think I've seen it. I've seen that. Okay. Water fountains. Oh my God, it was so fun. How is the word pimp not canceled? I haven't heard it in a minute.

Because ladies is pimps too. I couldn't help myself. No. Ladies is pimp? I don't think, is pimp a bad thing? No. What's the definition of pimp? A man who...

Prostitutes. A person who seems to have some sort of power and control and often invokes abusive actions in language. I mean the dictionary definition is a man who controls prostitutes and arranges clients for them taking part of their earnings in return. We should definitely cancel it for sure. Okay, well if it's not, well maybe Netflix is just- Let's think of a new name for them.

Listen, Netflix is reviving Pit My Ride. Maybe they're not naming it Pit My Ride. So- Have you guys seen Dexter? I saw like an episode or two. It's on Netflix. I think they're reviving Pit My Ride. Maybe they're not naming it Pit My Ride. So. Have you guys seen Dexter? I saw like an episode or two. It's on Netflix. It's been on Netflix for a really long time.

Has it? Yeah, it's an old, old show. I think they took it off of Pit My Ride. But it's back on Netflix. Oh, I didn't, I took it off of Netflix. I know he wraps the building with like, Saran wrap and kills people, right? And he has like a girl that.

He kills bad guys. Anyone who's, anyone who's, hasn't watched that scene, Dexter? What would be an old show that you would want to come back? Like reboot. Yeah. And make more episodes of. Yeah, sure.

Oh, well, I can tell you, they only had two seasons. It's his on Netflix. What's the one, the serial killer one? Dead to me? No, it was about how the FBI created their whole program for identifying serial killers. Oh, yeah. It's recent, it's relatively recent.

Really good. Interesting, I wasn't necessarily going in that direction. I was more so thinking of when you were a child and you would watch stuff on TV that's no longer around anymore. Same by the way. I know what I would say. I was like so thinking of like when you were a child and like you would watch Stuff on TV. That's like no longer around anymore. Not say I'd say freaks and geeks. Okay Did revive that right? No. Oh well Sierra do you have one in mind? Well, I mean it's been rumored to come back So I don't know but the simple life I would watch Paris and Nicole coming back. Yeah

Yeah, any day any day day, loved that show. Dustin? The Society. What is that? They had one season on Netflix, like 2017, and it's about these kids in high school, they take a field trip, come back to the city and no one's there.

So like none of the parents are there, nobody's there, they have to like create their own society. I kind of see how that show ended though. It was good. Yeah, like what more do you do? No new characters. They come back. Yeah, like what more do you do? They come back and they're like, okay Well, nothing to do because that's in the series just think about it like ASB kids are running the town kids are dying

Basically, there's a cliffhanger at the end of the season which you want makes you want to watch a second season I hate that kids are dying. Mm-hmm. Not a fan What about you, Nutt? I think mine would be my sweet 16. Oh my god Yeah, that was fun. Next thing never heard of it What about you, Nutt? I think mine would be my Sweet 16. Oh my God. That's a good one. Yeah. That was fun. Next thing you know, they're going to do that. It was like- Never heard of it.

It was like Lil Wayne's daughter's Sweet 16 party. Yeah, we're getting cars. And it was like the craziest party ever. Yeah. And like, you know? Bunch of spoiled kids. Yeah. I didn't get a Sweet 16.

Did you guys have one? No. No. Yeah, I did. Of course you did. You had a bomb at Sparrow, right? I had a bomb at Sparrow, yeah. The Sweet 16 was just like a surprise party, which- Did you get a car?

No. Did anyone get a car on their 16th birthday? No. Sierra. Sierra. I got a Jetta. Jetta! A Jetta?

A Volkswagen? Was it new? Yeah. Oh my God. Did they put a- I named it the Black Pearl. Oh my God, you guys, I grew up in Palos Verdes. People were like coming to school in Lexuses

and like, not a Bentley, but Benzes. Like I had a very sensible car. That's giving a middle class. My first car was 500 bucks. Whoa. Well, when? Was it a wagon? 1922.

1980 orange Toyota Shurcell Hatback. Oh, you drove a hatchback? Google that, Google that. 1980 Toyota Turcell. Humble beginnings. Turcell. Hatchback. How many? No, you could fill it up with literally one time,

this is when gas was like 88 cents a gallon. Oh, it's kinda cute, it's getting retro. Let me see. How many girls did you have in the backseat? Oh my God. But a hatchback, that and a hatchback. Oh, absolutely no girls. No girls? Oh, it was a slow car.

I miss it, I miss it. Oh my God. Wait, so what did you fill it with? It sounded like you filled it not with gas. Oh, gas, no, no gas. My friend. I could get like a half a tank for like a buck. So no girls, who was in the car with you?

No, I didn't get a car until I was like, how old was I? I don't know, probably almost 18 years old. And my dad was driving me to high school and dropping me off. And most times he wouldn't pick me up. He'd be like late. And so I'd be like waiting at the front

with all like the freshmen and I'd be a senior like, my dad would just not show up. It was fucking awful. Oh, I had to do that as a kid. Cop collect, hey, dad. senior like Fucking oh, I had to do that as a kid. Hey, but how old were you? Six great exactly. I was a fucking senior Walk home walk walk we can walk from our you know what I was taught There's a phrase called gassing your lambor feet ease. That's when you gas your lambor feet ease and what your feet. Mm-hmm Oh, yeah, no, I was not walking. I was probably not. But my dad did say he was gonna get me a car.

He just was waiting to find one around the $2,000 mark. Babe, would you ever, what would I do if we bought a new house and I went on a boys' trip while you moved in to that house? Hmm. Like, I had movers that just moved everything for me. Yeah, let's say I hired the movers. I had them all do it, but the day of the move, I'm on a boys' trip and you are... Where's the boys' trip?

An hour away. Two hours away. But in like a small town or like Vegas? Sure, either one. It's also something he does every year with his guy friends. I don't think I'd care. Honestly... Really? Yeah, because like now I get to organize everything

how I want it, you know? Thank you. That's what I said. I was like, if I don't have to do anything, moving is stressful. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Have the movers move everything in my house and then I can just like spin, ah.

Yeah, no, I love to organize. Can I get you guys any lemonade? Really? I can just be gone. Sure. Yeah. Okay. Nobody likes moving boxes.

What is this about? Some guy went on Reddit and People Magazine found it. It was, Am I the asshole? Yeah, him and his wife. Yeah, they're moving into a new house and he had this annual guy's trip planned and he said, while I completely understand not wanting to move into a house by yourself, I've already gotten this taken care of.

The user said detailing that he arranged for a friend with a moving company to relocate them. He added, I've also arranged for TVs to be hung, mirrors to be hung, curtains to be hung, internet to be installed, et cetera. Everything's scheduled. Yeah, oh my God, yeah. But the wife is pissed. No, that's such a plus. Like I don't have to me installed, et cetera. Everything's scheduled. Yeah, oh my god, yeah.

But the wife is pissed. No, that's such a plus. I don't have to hook anything up. It's just ready for me to go in. TVs are hung, I can have something on the TV and just be organizing pots and pans and putting things. Next house we buy, all I gotta do is go. Get the fuck out, yeah.

Hire the movers. Get the fuck out. Organize it all and I can go on a guy's trip. With what friends? What? Who would be your go on a guy's trip. And I can go on a guy's trip. With what friends? What? Who would be your go-to guy's trip group? The ones he filled the car with. Yeah.

There you go. I still need to know what you filled this car with. My friends. The boys. You know who's not getting a hatchback for their first car? Nepo Babies of Bravo. Oh my god. I'm not excited about this.

What is it? They're filming a new show called Making It in Manhattan, where Gia Giudice, Brooks Marks, Riley Burress, Ava Dash, Kamorra Lee Simmons' daughter, there's a bunch of very well known, very rich children, teenagers moving to New York. They either need a new title or a new cast. Making it in Manhattan?

No, I like the idea of a bunch of nobodies trying to make it in Manhattan. I want poor, I want Midwest, I want from the South, I want culture shock, I want like- Reality? Reality. I want them living in a cockroach-infested studio apartment. And then I want one Nepo baby in the cast, the one that has all the money.

I want Gia. I want Gia in the middle. Who's just like trying to get them to all party, but they're too poor to go. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I want. This is not Making in Manhattan. This is like, what would be the title for this show?

Existing in Manhattan. Rich. My apartment paid for in Manhattan. Spoiled in Manhattan, out of touch in Manhattan. I will say the log line's pretty interesting. It says that Making in Manhattan. Spoiled in Manhattan, out of touch in Manhattan. I will say the log line's pretty interesting. It says that making in Manhattan follows a tight-knit group of friends navigating the trials and triumphs of young adulthood.

While some hail from the spotlight of well-known families, others have created a legacy of their own. Together they will challenge societal norms, redefine success, juggle personal and romantic relationships, and lean on each other for some more. I am interested if some of these castmates have had independent success outside of mom and dad. And then you have other kids who are just straight up nepo babies and they only have mom or dad's credit card.

And I would like, I'd like to see that. I'd like to see. As for me, there's only two names that I didn't recognize from like family backgrounds. I'm sure if I did a quick Google it would all make sense But each one of their photos are very much a modeling photo which leads me to believe they're all gonna be living in a hundred thousand dollar penthouses with their modeling contracts And that's where I'm like throwing a simple life aspect of it where it's like nope

We're gonna take away your credit card You're gonna have to move into it 300 square foot apartment three of you in there And then like get a job and try to pay your bills in Manhattan. It's not, take the underground. I guarantee you we're gonna have personal drivers. Well guess who's watching Love Island USA? And like I talked some shit on it and I was like,

I don't have the time, I'm exhausted. Oh, we stayed up till fucking midnight last night watching them. I was like, hooked! You guys had like 10 episodes to catch up. We watched nine. We had so many to watch, yeah. We watched nine.

And I'm surprised, Nicky's just like, let's just call it a night. And he was like, all right, you wanna watch one more? I'm like, let's watch one more! It's good. It's high quality programming. A lot of people, including Leif, said that we were going to go back and forth.

Like Natalie, as soon as we turned on Love Island USA, now it's like, let's watch Love Island USA, episode one, then let's go watch UK, because that's over on Honhulu. Love Island USA is on on Peacock, just in case anyone wants to follow along. But we got hooked into USA right off the get, and everyone's been telling us, at least, and people have confirmed online.

A lot of people, you know, at first it was like, no, watch UK, but then we got a lot more DMs being like, oh my God, this season's even better than the UK version. So we just stuck with Livalent USA. It's, I get the hype. I get why it's a... It looks messy. It's so messy. It's so good. I'm watching both. I feel like the key, here's what I love about these shows. And I feel like as we talk about them,

and we'll get into the whole Rob and Leia and Connor and Janae of it all, these shows are like, kind of like I say in The Bachelor. At the end of the day, when it comes to The Bachelor, all these people, it's just a hot or not contest. At the end, you don't know these people, it's just a hot or not contest. You don't know these people's personality. You're meeting strangers.

And I think going on these TV shows, these cast members are first trying to convince themselves and then the audience about how they can sound like they care more than just looks, but at the end of the day, they're just going for the person they think is the hottest or the person they're most physically attracted to. And it's just a bunch of musical chairs

and trying to climb the ladder of who you can end up with who is the most hot without coming across as shallow. And I feel like that's what makes these shows great. But that's all they're really doing, even on The Bachelor. And it makes sense because that's the only thing you can trust is your eyes at that point. You can look at someone and instantly know whether you're physically attracted to them. But it takes some time to get to know their personality.

Who is your favorite guy, Sierra? Ugh. I hate it. The US has really made me second guess myself, because I'm like, I'm basic. I am basic. I would go after the same guys that all the girls are going after.

Can't stand snakes, can't stand spiders. And I would go after the same guys that all the girls are going after. Can't stand snakes, can't stand spiders. And I would go after snake wrangler. But also the fact that he's like, this is like a non-negotiable. Like, are you gonna catch a snake with me? Yeah, it's a no. Why do I have to do that?

No, it's a no, but I'm gonna lie. Also, Rob, you're not a snake wrangler. You're in pest control. I love snakes. He's in pest control. That's pest control. He's in pest control. That's his job. He's in pest control. Rob to me is just the biggest ick. I am so not into Rob.

He's the one after the fifth. I think he's very handsome. Yeah, we're talking day one. We're not talking knowing what we know now. If I got into that house, yeah, I'm probably beelining for Rob. You think Rob's hotter than Connor? Well, that's what I was gonna say next. Because I'm basic.

I said, once Connor came into the house, I was like, oh, okay. I switched my answer because I don't have to look at that spider tattoo on your arm. I think Connor is a little bit too... Boring? Uh, just like maybe like meathead-y for me, you know? I feel like he's just so like,

like I wanna be lazy with my partner, you know? Like I don't want to like always eat chicken, rice, and broccoli and go to the gym, you know? And I feel like that is like Connor's like, no, and we will be going to the gym and we're gonna be working out. Like love for motivation, but I'm not doing it. I'll be in the best shape of my life.

I might be a little miserable. I might be sneaking McDonald's in the car and not telling not doing it. I'll be in the best shape of my life. I'm not doing it. I might be a little miserable. I might be sneaking McDonald's in the car and not telling you about it. But I will absolutely. Could you imagine dating Connor and just hiding in your car, stuffing your face with Chick-fil-A before you go, boom, boom, boom.

Oh my God, that would be me. Babe, babe. And then you'd be like, and then you'd be like chicken rice broccoli for dinner. I'm just not hungry. Yes. I'm so stuffed. I'm skinny girl.

I had a late lunch. Yeah, no, so that's why I couldn't do that. But I think Aaron is like the funniest, cutest. He's adorable. I love him. I love his relationship with Kailor. I think it's so cute. He's so like, just funny. Is that who you would go after?

I don't know. But I get him. No, he's like, all y'all are like, unbelievable. Like how Kailor, how Kailor keeps making fun of him. He's like, oh, you know, he's the sweetest, he's the least toxic, but I don't know about that. I don't know, but I can. Um, but. No, he's like, all y'all are like, unbelievable. Like how Kailer, how Kailer she's saying. It's like, oh no, he's the sweetest, he's the least toxic, but I don't know about that.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Definitely the snake guy, for sure. No way. No way. Toxic, immature, gaslights me, cries when I try to break up with him, for sure. Hey, I was 20-something year old too once upon a time, okay? I'm sorry, but you guys were still into Rob after he.

His meltdown? He just pencil dived into the pool and hid underneath the ledge. What was that? Not at all. That was very Harry Jowsey. Is that a, I think the Fuck Boy playbook really is, and I mean like a true,

maybe it's not even Fuck Boy, maybe it's the player thing, I don't know, emotional terrorist. That's my name for Harry Jowsey. I think, I wish when I wrote my book and I was talking about Fuck Boys, their players, I wish I would have replaced the word player with emotional terrorist name for Harry Jowsey. I think I wish when I wrote my book and I was talking about fuckboys or players, I wish I would have replaced the word player with emotional terrorist.

Or Harry Jowsey. Or Harry Jowsey. It wasn't even the pencil dive for me as it was the him stepping like five feet away to lay on the floor. I just need a minute right now. And then comes back being like, yes, please say whatever you want. And I just need a minute. And I'd be like, I'm sorry, if you need a minute right now. And then comes back and be like, yes, please say whatever you want. I just need a minute.

And I'd be like, I'm sorry, if you need a minute, go to the bathroom. Go walk downstairs. No, I think every guy, like guys want, the guy playbook is to try to get you to, like every guy, no guy ever wants to break up with a girl. Ever. Never. And we see why, because like, you know,

whether it's Perfect Match or Love Island, y'all don't handle it very well sometimes. Or it's just like, even when it is justifiable, it's just like hey, Connor with Jenae, it's just like I just kinda like him more than her, which by the way, I think that was really fucked up. But every guy wants a girl to break up with him, so he can be like, oh yeah, I'm heartbroken.

So this is Robb trying to get Leia to not like him. Like I think that's a secret move of guys, is they're okay. They don't care when a girl's like, I fucking hate you, you gave me the egg, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. They don't care. They're actually trying to get you to hate them because they would rather have you hate them

and think they're like you, I don't like you than to like not get over you and be mad about you breaking up with them. And that's what Rob's trying to do. He's putting on this whole performance to try to get Leia to like be unattracted to him. He's like, I just don't know like if you're for me. And she's like, wait, you don't think I'm for you?

He said, I don't know if you're for me. Yeah. Hey Leia, I don't think you're right for this job. What? I said, I don't know if you're for me. Hey, Leia, I don't think you're right for this job. What? I said, I don't think. You're not. It's like, that's the same fucking thing. They said, huh?

And I was like, I'm confused because you're talking about Leia, Leia. And then Janay is like, I'm just so happy that we're like the most, you know, mature, like, you know, like solid relationship. I'm so happy with you. You just tell me everything and just, you just tell me. Yeah, anyways.

So listen about that. I think I'm gonna go for, yeah. Yeah. But like the kiss, like unnecessary. He's like, oh my God, thank you so much. I'm like, yes, you're welcome. Anyways. I'm always gonna be honest with you,

about being honest with you. So I really would like to fuck Leia. This whole time, I've been actually looking at her. You've been my second choice absolutely this whole time. And now that I know she's available, I wanna let you know that I really just, I don't know if there's a connection, but I definitely like that ass, you know what I'm saying?

I don't know if there's a connection, but I do know that there is a connection what I'm saying? Like. I don't know if there's connection, but I do know that there is a connection. Yeah. And then he goes to Len. He's just like, so I'm really pretty sure that we would have a connection. So we should definitely. And again, like Rob and Rob and Rob and Rob and Rob, Rob, Rob. And he's like.

Connor doesn't care. He's just like, listen. He's like, so what about like childhood games? And she's like, well, Rob was. She's like mid complaining about Rob. And he's like, so yeah was, she's like mid complaining about Rob and he's like, so yeah, I don't really know, but I'm into you and she's just like, what? Yeah, that was crazy.

I think it's worse what Connor did to Janay than what Rob did to Leia. The show is about like finding who your person is. They bring in people, every new episode, there's a makeout game, everyone's like, oh my God. When they, the last, was it episode nine, the blindfold makeout contest, so many things to get into there,

I don't even know if we have the time, but when they get done and all the girls are like, clapping in support of the girls, it is so awesome. No, but what is, yeah, I think it's absolutely worse because like, you know, when you can't, you don't know who's gonna come in. You don't like, it's like, oh, like, I thought I was gonna like Leia, but like, who's the,

I don't even know who the blonde girl is that Rob liked more. Liv. Oh, no. Andrea. Andrea. Andrea, right? But like, he doesn't know and like, you know, hey, sometimes you meet someone and that's not like Leia and Rob have this deep connection.

But Connor, Connor's a snake, pun intended. But like the whole time he's dating Janae, right? He's with Janae. Leia's been there the whole time. He has been hiding his interest in Leia the whole time. And he sells it as like he just wants to like be respectful for his bro. Right, it's like he knew that they were destined

to break up eventually so he's just with Jenae until she became available. Whether he knew they were destined to break up, it's just like you're always, he was basically using Jenae. Which, who's the one who was dating, oh, um. Serena. But. Serena. Odem Begum Jr. Serena. Ser, oh, um... Serena. But, oh. Oda Begum Jr. Serena.

I honestly think Serena, maybe the most emotionally intelligent of the group, but also Serena's kind of low key doing the same thing that Connor's doing. She's just being smarter about it. Like she is biding her time because she doesn't really like anyone. But at least she's being honest about that.

Where Connor, Connor is just full on making Janay feel like they have something, they have this strong connection, he's being intentional with his feelings, and the whole time he liked Leia better, to me that's way more fucked up than what Rob did to Leia. I mean. You do have a point.

You do have a point. It's fucked up, but it's also the name of the game, where I'm like, I feel like. But be honest. No, but his speech at the end was a little bit like hitting below the belt where he was just like, this is by far the strongest connection I've had. Like, it was just rude to Janay.

Janay's standing right there next to Leah and he's just like, it just sucked. The speech was brutal. I kind of feel like at that point, just go for your person. But I think Connor's big sin was way before that. But if you're gonna go for Leia, I guess it's like, you gotta focus on the relationship you wanna be in, not the relationship you're leaving.

But like, he should have been way more honest with Janaye the whole time about like the strength or lack thereof of their connection, a la Serena, who did that with... Cordell. Cordell, yeah. Likeena, who did that with... Cordell. Cordell, yeah. Like, yeah, like she was honest with him. The sweetest guy.

Sweetest guy. Who would have thought that the brother of a famous athlete is the least douchiest guy in the cast? Cordell is an absolute sweetheart, gentleman, like no douche in him whatsoever, at all. I never would have thought that of the brother of an athlete. I would agree.

I feel like anytime there's like some sort of argument between like Koi, I thought was such a sweet gentleman, like had three girls on him was so sweet. And then the second he got into like a little bit of a tift, I guess it was with Janae whenever she was gonna go for her honor. He was like total asshole, huge douchebag, and it's like, no, that's the real side of you.

And then when he's like, oh, when she's like, she lied, bro, like talking about how many guys she's hooked up with and then he lied, it's just like, I feel like all of them are showing their true sides and Cordell the whole time is just like maintained. A sweet, wholesome angel. I also really like Kendall. I don't, I find him-

I like Kendall too. Yeah. I like Kendall too. Yeah, I like Kendall too. I find him to be so corny and obnoxious. He reminds me of Carlton. He's so nice. He reminds me of Carlton. From Fresh Prince. He reminds me of French Montana.

Ah, he kinda does look like French Montana. That's all I see. He's just a little corny for me, and not like in an endearing way, but like who gives a fuck? I'm not trying to fuck around, you know? He's also like besties with all the girls in the house and like giving them. He seems like a nice enough guy. We answered this question in the beginning. Nick if you had to pair up with one of the girls who would you

choose? Natalie. If Natalie gave you a hell pass for playing the game Who would it be? Natalie. You know that trend where it's like, name a girl. Natalie. Period. Have you seen that trend? No. Yeah, it's like, name a woman. I've seen before, it's like Ashley. And it's like, who the fuck is Ashley?

Or like Rosa Parks. Just like, all right. Danny's was Michelle Obama. I was like, okay, cool. Yeah, Natalie. Yeah. Yeah, like, you know, the Love Island USA cast, not for me, not my type.

They're right. Yeah. Well, suck the fun out of that one. Next. Anyway, we're super into Love Island. We'll be talking about it more. Maybe we'll, I don't know. I don't know if we'll have the time to check out UK,

but we're balls deep in the USA. I'm so glad you guys started watching it. I saw Nick's story over the weekend. I was just like, no way. It's excellent television. It's really, really good. I love the messiness, the makeouts, right in front of everyone.

It's just, it's really, really, really, really, really, really great. I like that they are bringing in UK people. Who's the new guy who came in episode nine? Miguel. Miguel. Sexy. By the way, like all the other shows are trying to be this show.

Yeah, there's a lot of perfect match. Ala will get into the, obviously, lots to talk about the finale after Camilla. But yeah, there's, you can see the hints of a like, Bachelor in Paradise took some, obviously, from Love Island, perfect match, is very Love Island-esque. But like, listen, you know, what do they say when people are copying you?

Imitation is flattery. Yeah. So. Did you see that Lisa Barlow is being sued for $410,842 in unpaid loans? That's it. That tracks. Well, so a long time personal... She seems like she's as up to no good always.

I don't know. Okay, but this one kind of seems dicey because a long time personal friend of Lisa filed a lawsuit against Vita Tequila and Lux Marketing over loans he claimed made to her stating over a decade ago, starting over a decade ago. So he says that every time he asked her for money,

Barlow has allegedly responded by saying there's no way for her or her companies to pay him back. So he made a loan to her as a friend and then she just allegedly to him never responded. And because what? It's a friend that he- She hasn't seen the text. She was in the shower. There you go. Well, so she responded recently saying that Carlson was once a business partner in a restaurant in Park City and that she's deeply saddened that he has decided nine years after her restaurant business ceased

to claim that she owed him money. She said, to be clear that I owe him money is untrue. I pay my bills and obligations and I always have. I look forward to the truth coming out. I tend to hold Bart fully accountable for any damages his personal attack may cause. Mm, I wonder if this is like he, you know, she's like, I don't owe him money

my business that no longer exists does. But he's assuming Vita Tequila which is her business that does exist. Yeah. But this is interesting because like Sierra has seen past seasons of Salt Lake City where like even Meredith Marx brought on like an SEC filing being like you're crowdfunding for loans you don't actually have the money you claim to have. I don't know. Why you don't go on reality TV show toting wealth and then being like, ugh, when shit comes out of the wood, we're being like, yep, it's time to back it up.

Because that's the thing, they're like, my $60,000 ring. And then it's like, yeah, but you've got $410,000 in loans. You know still crushing life? Monica Garcia hanging out with Megan Thee Stallion. Megan Thee Stallion. Lisa's getting sued and Monica is hanging out with Megan.

Bravo messed up putting her on pause, let me tell you. She's had storyline after storyline that we just watched off, like off screen. Yeah, they messed up. She has a... Pegment C, she's got her dude that she met on the previous season, she's hanging out with Megan Thee Stallion, everybody's obsessed with her and it's like cool, can't wait to see Lisa get a freaking lawsuit filed against her. Well, that was Household Headlines. It's time to get to Camilla.

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Where did you meet? Not the first sight, just kidding. I'm like mousing myself out. That date. That date that we went on. I'll give you all the list. I'm like, I'm not seeing myself out. That date. That date that we were on. I was the bachelor and it was like ABC, like upfronts or whatever. I was going to say, I think it was upfronts.

Some fancy corporate thing. You were my favorite bachelor. Really? 100%. My husband knows this. I had a little bachelor crush on you. Is that common that people think that you're their favorite bachelor? No.

No, you were a villain back then. I was, yeah. I was a- I hated him. Did you? You had a bad rap back then. Yeah, I started off from the bottom. You know?

You worked your way. I worked my way up. I thought you were very charming and I was very pregnant when I saw you and I made a joke that you didn't laugh at. I did? No, you did not. I was very nervous and caught off guard.

Where are you? Because I was like, don't worry about this. Like kind of like, I was like out here pregnant. So awkward. I was like, well, congratulations. That was such a whirlwind day for me because like you go there and like you realize there's a lot of like people you see on TV and actors who watch The Bachelor,

you being one of them, Guy Pearce. Really? Was like, hey, it's The Bachelor. I was like, holy shit, it's Guy Pearce. Yeah, those things are always super overwhelming. It's like every show on ABC, you get paraded out and you do all the press. It's fun though, because I feel like you see a lot of people,

but like, especially if you're the new bachelor though, I imagine that ABC is like really pushing you out there. They really are. And you're, you're, you kind of feel like the it person there, but you, you're, you're, you feel like a fish out of water. Like you feel like you don't belong, but everyone's treating you like you're the main event. Yes.

Because I feel like that was my first time doing that. It was cool for me. It was in, you know. Really? Like you didn't have to do any of that for the season you were on? No, they never bring like cast people. Oh, okay.

Like knowing the lead. I can't remember. So like, it seemed like real celebrities and actors, it was like work for you. Like, oh, it's another one of these events. And I'm just overwhelmed seeing all these celebrities and they're all looking at me and asking to take pictures. It was a lot all at once.

No, it's also, it's harder for you. I'm part of an ensemble show. So we're all hanging out, we get to do interviews together. You're a solo act. Also, you have to, I'm sure there's like a, you have to be the bachelor. Isn't there like a facade a little bit? Probably, but I didn't do it well.

You didn't? You're like, why didn't you do it well? Ben did a great job. He did a very good job. I was just like, yeah, I guess I'm the guy. You like stumbled upon it. You're like, there was nobody else that said yes, it's just me. Yeah, everyone else turned it down. Actually, don't spread that rumor, the people will probably believe it. Oh, sorry.

It's good to see you again though. Yeah, no, I remember that event, because you know what, we haven't done them in a while because of Koda and stuff. Yeah. But yeah, that was a good event. You were very charming, I thought you did a great job. Thank you.

You're welcome. And then I was just like, she watches all this reality TV and we gotta get her on. Listen, my show is a lot of drama and a lot of like heavy material. And I come home and I don't wanna watch something super heavy. But I do wanna watch good, juicy drama.

So it's like, it's an unwinding situation for me. Have you kept up with The Bachelor or have you like ourselves migrated over to more captivating television like Bravo and other? I mean, I've always been a Bravo girly. I don't watch The Bachelor anymore. I- Why? What made you fall off? I just didn't care, to be honest is the truth.

Well, I think- It's valid. I think, you know what I think it is? No offense, but everyone broke up. Everyone breaks up. So it's like, I believed in the early days, like, oh my God, they're getting married. You know, after you see people break up over and over again, but then they proved my point.

The Golden Bachelorette was totally into it. Yeah. But no, I'm not really, I'm onto Bravo. What is your favorite Bravo show? I've watched Phantom of the Roles since day one. I love Jersey, I love Beverly Hills. And now The Valley, which I didn't think I was going to be into, but I've been hooked into. I know. I was like, I want to hate this.

And then I was like, it's very good. It's so good. I do have a bachelor story about myself though, actually. I used to work, so this is a hundred years ago. I used to wait tables at Barney's Beannery in Santa Monica. And I got approached by the bachelor producers and they were like, would you like to be like a girl on the show?

Thank God you said no. And I was like, I, you know, I really wanna be an actress. It's probably not gonna go well. They're like, oh, nevermind. They're like, nevermind. Yeah, but like, seriously, what made you say no? Because there are a lot of young, talented people who moved LA for the dream of being an actor or an actress and then get approached to do reality TV

and give up on said dream. Or in their mind they didn't give up on said dream. But they... It's a segue for some people, right? Like they're... I think that's their hope. I think it's easy to get pigeonholed as a reality TV star. Oh, no, I was thinking that it's a segue

into just not a segue to get into acting. They just like, it's a right turn. It's still, maybe they are more interested in like recognition or fame. Maybe the public eye. Yeah, or just, yeah. The public eye. I mean, I, there was no way I was honestly

gonna do reality. I mean, I had been acting since I was five. I had my first agent when I was 11. You know, I wasn't gonna. And also like a little bit like, fuck you choosing me with 28 girls. Like no. Yeah, yeah.

Like if you wanna approach me, maybe I'll be the bachelorette. I still would have said no. So like I was like, I'm doing just fine dating in Los Angeles. I'm gonna keep my job at Barney's Biennary and continue being an actress. But isn't that kind of scary to think that had you said yes,

like your life would be forever changed. Well, also I met my husband at Barney's Beannery. Yes, and we were both like slugging it together and now we both are working as actors. With, you know, a couple of kids. We were both waiting tables together, hating our lives. Yeah. And then we were just- tables together, hating our lives, yeah. And then we were just-

Who made the first move? Ooh. Oh me. Yes, we love that. I was really drunk. I, oh God, yes. No, I, he was one of my friends for a long time, and then I realized that I had feelings.

And I, you know, you have, if you wait tables, like in your, after like a nine hour shift, you're done. You wanna have a drink at the bar with your friends. I got really drunk on jello shots. They were leftover from some event we had, and I was downing them and I yelled down the bar like, I just love you. So I think that was like, my very awkward, yeah.

What did he say? He was like, what's up? Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! A much more chill response, for sure. Do you think they're going to bring Vanderpump back? Or do you even want them to? Are you, like, since you've been watching it from day one, are you one of those fans

who are just like, you know, it's ready to move on and maybe it's time to say goodbye? My feelings on the end of Vanderpump rules are very controversial and not everyone else's feelings. How do you share? I think Lala's getting a ton of crap that I don't think is really deserved. Please elaborate. Here's my perception of sort of what was happening in the finale.

And by the way, like, I don't know if they... I want the show to come back because I like the people on the show, and I don't want anyone from that show to go to the Valley. I want the Valley to like stay that cast. Is that how you guys feel? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Stay that cast, right?

But I think her frustration during that season was, and I think it's valid that if you're on a reality show and people are saying things behind the scenes, it's your job to say it on the show. And I think in my opinion, what was happening at the finale, oh, you have a different opinion, what was happening at the finale is she was like, I'm saying things that you guys have all said,

and you're acting like I'm the only one feeling this way. As a TV maker, I get Lala's argument. I really, like it makes sense, but I guess the question is where do you draw that line? This isn't the Truman Show. They're not filming 365. You know what I'm saying? They're not filming all year round.

I think if you're Tom Sandoval, you believe that. I don't think, if you're Tom Sandoval, I don't think the cameras ever go down. Or James. Yeah, you're that character. But I just think if you are say someone like Ariana who maybe has other aspirations outside of being a character on Vanderpump or maybe just for your own mental health, I think you're allowed to like feel something one day and then, you know, a month later feel differently

and not be expected to like relive how you used to feel about a situation. See, I don't think that, I wasn't frustrated with Ariana. I think Ariana was like, I don't want to film with this dude, right? And whether that works for TV or not, that's a producer call, right? I think she's right.

Like if the finale, if you guys all watch, right? Okay, if the finale, if you guys, you guys all watch, right? Okay. If the finale had honestly ended, because Ariana says this, with her walking out with some random people and going in an Uber, if that had been the end of the finale, I'd have been like, oh, that show's done. Like, it would not have been interesting to me at all. I think the interesting part ended up being Lala breaking...

The fourth wall. The fourth wall, right? And I think that her frustrations are with Katie and Sheena. And so I understand that. If I'm talking, if my girlfriends are saying things that they're feeling and they're not saying it on camera, then it feels like people are tiptoeing around. And I think that if you signed up for the reality show,

the point is, is that, you know. I mean, there's a valid argument there. I know it's not the popular argument. I know that nobody else feels this way. I'm able to separate, like, I thought Lala and Sheena were the stars of this season. Without Lala and Sheena, like, I don't think- There's nothing.

There's not a very entertaining season 11. No, I don't think so either. And I really, I really like Ariana. I think that Ariana should quit. Leave. I think she should go and do what she's great at. Like her hosting and I think it's time for her to fly the nest, right?

I want, yes, I want Ariana to move on and be successful without Vanderpump. And I want the Toms to bring on their girlfriends. And that drama. Oh my God, there is drama there. When did you watch that shit? Yes, I would totally watch that. And have Lala and Sheena just eat them alive?

Yes, but okay, here's my question, because I hear people wanting something about her spinoff. I think it'd be really boring. Is that terrible to say? No, it's not. We've proposed the question of if there's a spin-off of Katie and Ariana, La La and Sheena or The Toms, which are you watching?

The Toms. The Toms. Yeah, because it's the biggest mess. I know. Yeah. I have offended some of my bachelor peers by saying this. Why? Well, why?

I mean, God, the list goes on. Okay. But if I say you I guess. Why? Well, why? I mean, God, the list goes on. Okay. But if I say you're boring television, that often means like you're possibly quite a decent human or like low drama or like, you know. Oh, for sure. I don't think, for reality TV, is that really insulting? No, but I think the problem is,

is then your job might be at risk, right? If you're potentially kind of boring. But, or don't be. I mean, Lala, you know what I'm saying? Lala, to her credit, puts herself out there for us to have these opinions. She is being eviscerated. I know, what do you think people are so angry about?

I don't know. I mean, I do think the, like, we love Ariana, but it's just, there's something about people. I mean, it is kind of crazy not to already segue to perfect match, but it blows, like the Harry Jowey was going on a perfect match and how he handled Jess and all of that. Like, I'm sorry, like compared to Harry Jowey,

Tom Sandoval is like harmless. I mean, what Harry Jowey is capable, and his like deceit and gasoline manipulation, like why people have latched onto this storyline and how it's kept going, it's just, I don't know what it is where they just don't want to like... The scandal you're talking about? Scandal, yeah.

It's just like, man, the legs of that scandal is unbelievable. And like what Tom did was wrong, but like you look at some of these other behaviors on reality TV and it just doesn't get the same attention. I don't understand. I don't know what that that was like a pop culture moment. Yeah. That was really wild. I mean the White House. No it's insane. That was crazy. It's on CNN. It's like. I think the situation there by the way with him and talking about his mental health and stuff, I think that that is, that was, must have been, and what he did was awful.

Awful. So gross, but so intimidating. The backlash was like vicious for a long time. And at first it felt like, fuck you, like you were a terror, you know, and then it just got, it got a little scary. Yeah, it got a little much. And it it just got a little scary. Yeah, a little much. And it's just like, I just did the ones, it's the intensity in people's obsession

where it doesn't make what Tom did okay, but he's not the first person to do this. And second of all, there's a lot of other bad actors out there doing, again, seemingly worse stuff and people just don't wanna let go of Scandival. I don't know what it is. And I don't know if it's just like there's something about Ariana that people like really, you know.

And you think that's why Lala is getting so much shit now still? I mean, I like there's just no appetite for any, like even now, the fact that we're having this conversation and we say things like, well, you know, what Tom did is bad, but like, could we move on? There'll be people listening being like, absolutely fucking not, you know, like absolutely did is bad, but like, could we move on? There'll be people listening being like,

absolutely fucking not, you know, like absolutely fucking not. Tom's a piece of shit, he deserves to die. And like people just like have no fucking chill about it. I think there's some people who have latched on to Scandival and Supportive Ariana and just like have no appetite for any nuance. A redemption at all. Any type of redemption.

Yeah, like, yeah. Not even redemption though, because I mean, it's hard, he's a hard person to root for sometimes because it's like, you don't know what's authentic a little bit with him, right? Yeah. I think it's all authentic. You do?

Oh yeah, I mean, I've spent- What do you mean by that? I mean, I lived with him for a week. We did a show together. That's who he is. He is an eccentric, kind of an odd, unique guy. Do you think he's really sorry? I think he's really sorry it happened.

I think Tom Sandoval has a moral compass. I think it's a very. You know some people do not feel this way. No, I know. Like Jax Taylor has no moral compass. I think it's a very. You know some people do not feel this way. No, I know. Like Jax Taylor has no moral compass. I think Tom Sandoval has his own moral compass and I think Tom Sandoval's moral compass doesn't think cheating is that big of a deal.

Wow, I mean. But I think Tom Sandoval has a desire to be a good guy. You know what I'm saying? But his rules just don't vibe with the rest of society, but he has his own set of rules, and they're important to him. And like he will like... I think he wants to be good.

He wants to be like the best friend to everyone possible. But I do think like even on this show, when he was like, I would never cheat that way again, it's like, you just don't think it's bad. Oh, he said he wouldn't cheat that way again. On this show. He'd cheat but like in a different style. He wouldn't do it like that.

He wouldn't do it that way. It's like a Freudian slip. It's just, I remember like when we were filming a show and I was asking about this, but like we had this whole debate. I was like, why is it so hard for you to just say, I'm like, so can you just say that you would never cheat? Like the next time five years from now,

you get in a relationship and like it, you know, you have problems and like you lose that love and feeling. And he's just like, I just don't wanna put an absolute man. I just, I'm not. I'm just like, I'm just not, I don't believe in absolutes. I'm like, why is that so hard for you to say? And it's just like, he would rather not be pigeonholed into like guaranteeing anything.

Wow. But like that's his moral compass. Wow. Well, I just, I think that the hate L that's his moral compass. Wow. Well, I just, I think that the hate Lala's getting is a lot much. That's my opinion. It's definitely a lot much. I was gonna say on that too, where I was like,

I feel like Bravo has a long standing history of just like teams and us choosing teams, whether it's Teresa and Melissa, if it's Lisa or Kyle. So I'm like, I feel like the whole, you know, sound bites, whatever from Lala's interviews talking about and Sheena talking about Ariana, it's just made it so that people are like, I'm like, I feel like the whole, you know, sound bites, whatever, from Lala's interviews, talking about, and Sheena talking about Ariana, it's just made it so that people are like, I'm either team Ariana or I'm team Lala and Sheena. But I'm like, I don't think it's so much that it's genuine

as it is just like something to talk about or somebody to direct that to till the next season comes out. I think the real villain of Stand of All and has proven to be- Shorts. No. What is that? Raquel. Raquel for sure. Dave, have No. What is that? Raquel.

Raquel for sure. Have you seen her latest comments? I have not. I don't follow the Raquel situation now that she's gone. What are her comments? Dare we say Rocky? I'm just gonna call her Raquel. I tried the whole Rachel thing.

She wants to change her name too. No one knows who I'm talking about. Okay. She says, I'm paraphrasing, correct me if I get any of this wrong. Being the other woman is wrong or she used another word for it. Yeah.

But, but. Okay. She is upset that she did not, but as like a reality TV star, she kind of expected the, I guess, other women out there to, like why, she didn't get the, she wanted to be like an example for the other women. You know, it's like, you know, she was basically saying

like representation matters and she was there to represent the other women out there and she's upset that she didn't receive the type of support from the other women who are also participating in affairs or cheating scandals or things like that. And she thinks she deserves more support. By the way, what are you gonna do? Get on Twitter and be like, I'm also the other woman.

Exactly. Thank you for standing up for all of us. Oh my God, finally the representation. By the way, that's episode one of Vanna Pump Rules. It's been done. Sheena was the other woman. There's been, there's your representation right there. Yeah, I don't know. That's amazing. I wish she'd come back though.

So do I. For the sake of great TV. She's excellent television. Yeah, of course. I mean, what's shocking? She's, I think, a horrible person. She definitely did not learn. It just makes no sense that she didn't wanna come back,

but now she's all over her podcast, spewing everything. It is a little strange. It's like, you could've just gotten a much bigger chat. Yeah. Talked about it, but. That's just bad math. Yeah.

That's just not good business moves. I think that they're all in a tricky position because the Valley just exploded too. Yeah. Which was so unexpected. So unexpected. Did not. So I understand them wanting to transition

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What did you think? Angie and my husband. I mean, I love the location. The location's great. I've been too. Kavya, what did you think? I love the location. It's great. The wings are pretty good. I've been to. Kavya, what did you think? I love the location.

Yeah. It's great. The wings are pretty good. I've been to Schwartz and Sandys. Which is better? Jax's. Oh. Cause of location. I mean, I don't mind that location either.

It's a better location for sure, right here on Ventura Boulevard. What makes it better? Well, first off, you just have way, have you guys been to Schwartz and Sandys? We have, yeah. There weren't many options on the menu. I love that I'm they're talking about this.

They had cherry ketchup. That was a big. Yeah, Nick. They had what? Cherry ketchup. It was a big egg for me. I mean, do you remember, were you living here when ketchup was here back in the day?

Yes. Do you remember? Catch up? Ketchup, ketchup! Yup, down on Sunset. I mean, we're talking of, yes! They had a great ketchup. This is like back when The Hills was filming.

Yes. That was the place to go. Reality TV. They do and ketchup. Oh my God. It was a restaurant called Ketchup. Oh, so good. Yes, and by the way they had, yeah.

And their whole thing was they had different flavor ketchup. Ooh. Anyway, I don't know if I tried the cherry ketchup, maybe it would have changed my mind. No, it wouldn't if it would have made you run the other way. But I, no, and I just thought the aesthetic was a little like, I, you know, I didn't really know what was going on. The vibe seemed, they were, yeah.

Nick also was confused with the music in Fords and Sandys. We were like, what's the music here? It just. Was it Sandoval's band? No. This was at a, this was during... Was it Sandoval's band? No. Sandoval, this was at a, this was during a period where Sandoval wasn't allowed. Inside. Inside Sandoval.

Is he allowed back in? Is it Shorts and Sandies? I think he should have been, I think he should have been let in. I think that people would have gone and eaten just to see him. I agree. Do you feel like you're in, on drugs when you're at Shorts and Sandies?

That's the only place I haven't visited, but I know that there's like, they're like, look at the mirror that's supposed to be & Sandy's. That's the only place I haven't visited, but I know that they're like, they're like, look at the mirror, that's supposed to be a time capsule. It's kind of trippy, yeah, where you're like, whoa. Nothing matches. A lot of lava lamps. Shut up.

No, I'm just kidding. What do you got, okay, Jax or Schwartz & Sandy's? I haven't been to Jax. You haven't been, okay, you have. I haven't, she's been. I've been so critical of Jax, I feel like I wouldn't be allowed to. Oh, so you haven't, you what? I said I've been so critical of Jax on this show,

I don't think I would, it would feel a little dirty. He was there when I was there. There's probably a photo of Nick that's like, don't let this guy in. I think I'd be on the door for sure. Aren't you 86? I'm pretty sure I'd be extorting this for sure. He's 86, for sure.

It would feel wrong for me to go. Okay, you could go in disguise. I said I'll go. I don't wanna go that bad. We can give you a wig. We can order it on DoorDash. Yeah, you guys should have a tasting here. I could go and then we're a little spy cam. Yes, you could spy cam it.

Here is the bathroom. He was there though when I was there and I thought that's a good, that's a, it's good that he's there. Have you met him, like spoken with him? No, the only person I've met is, she is a very big Grey's Anatomy fan. And so I met her at the People's Choice Awards

and she was lovely. Trying to think if I've met anybody else. No, I don't think I've met anyone else from that show. I did a shot with Brittany when we went, I did a tequila shot. She was there? Yeah, her and Jax were both there. Oh, at Jax's?

Yes. Oh really? Chris was there too. Was she throwing up after? No, but it didn't stay for the after. Yeah. Was he changing Cruz's diaper on the bar? That he was not.

I know, I saw that. Is he actually getting in trouble for that? I think their bar is being investigated. Really? I'm not here to defend Jax at all, but that- But also put a changing table in the men's restroom. Yeah. Yeah.

No? Yeah, I mean, I guess, yeah, you a changing table in the men's restroom. Yeah. Yeah. No? Yeah. I mean, I guess, yeah, you shouldn't be changing diapers where people eat. At the outdoor bar. Have you guys had people on here from the Valley? Yeah. Yeah. Kristen, Nia, Danny. Zach. Zach.

Have you had Janet on? No. No. Will you? She's getting a lot of flack right now. Why? Will we? Sure. Well, we will probably invite her. Sometimes people can be a little intimidated to come here sometimes. Wow.

Yeah, sure. We've been told that people- Listen, I'm not on reality TV, so it's different. I can come and show. We haven't been that hard on Janet. She's best friends with Sheena. Does that mean she won't come?

I don't know, I'm just saying. She seems like she's very much in her mind a girl's girl, or at least for her girls. So I could also see her being like, no. We gotta get Sheena back on here. You need to get Sheena on. I don't know why they didn't have a reunion. That bothers me. What do you think the producer choices paid it with payout?

I wonder if it's- Pay them for a reunion? They did not want to pay them for it. And so they were like, just do it on- Wouldn't that be in your contract? That it should be. Well, for example, like men tell all for Bachelor. It's technically not part of the season.

It's like technically when they do a tell all, like it's something like ABC and Warner Brothers like pick up at like the last year or something. So interesting. I'm guessing like the reunions are the same thing. Maybe they just didn't anticipate the success of the valley and by the time they thought it was worthwhile, maybe it was just like kind of like too late to.

Well, they wanted to do it on Watch What Happens Live. And then the vets. Which means the entire cast would have to fly to New York. Yeah, they were gonna fly them to New York, but they weren't gonna pay them. And the vets of reality TV, Kristen, Jax, Brittany, were like, absolutely not. Like, we're not gonna do this without money.

Wow. Good for them. God, I love hanging out here again. All the answers. Yeah, I mean, like, yeah. I mean, reality TV stars and the networks that produce their shows are, you know, it's like a relationship where like they're, it's not like, you know, being represented by, you know,

agents and I mean, a lot of them do have agents now, but not necessarily for the TV aspect of it. And certainly there's no unions and things like that to protect certain rights. So there's a lot of like, especially on The Bachelor, it's a lot of like, hey, you get to be on TV and expecting- That you're jumping at the opportunity.

Just to be on, which often works. But when you're jumping at the opportunity to be on, which, you know, often works. But when you're dealing with like season, like Bravo reality TV stars, they are professional TV makers, like Sheena and Lala and Ariana and Tom, they're professionals. Yeah, for sure. They know how to make reality TV.

Someone who goes on The Bachelor the first time, they're just like happy to be there. They're also not like, I feel like everyone on Bravo is getting paid per episode. And I feel like the Bachelor, like people, contestants aren't getting paid. So to come do like Men Tell All, it's not like, oh, well you're not gonna pay,

you haven't been paid the whole time. It's just more TV exposure. Even when they ask alumni to come back and stuff, a lot of times alumni are just like, they get off the show, things slow down. Eight months after their season has ended, they're just hoping a podcast reach out to them and ask them to come on to spill some tea.

So they're just jumping at the opportunity. What about when you see them in the audience? They're there for like the Golden Bachelor. Oh yeah, they're just like, they're just happy. They're not getting paid to, unless they're big people. If they are, at this point, they might be getting a couple hundred bucks, so that from a legality standpoint.

Interesting. You're talking alumni? Yeah, they're getting a 300 bucks. I don't know. Something that you forget to... I mean, but you can say no. I mean, people are using it. Something you forget to cash.

Yeah, they can go on and I guess get publicity and that's the exchange for it. Sometimes it's worthwhile, you know. Like when, you know, when you are, when you get asked to be the bachelor or the bachelorette, you don't do it for the money. Do it for what can come after. Wait, are you telling me that you did not go on for love? When I was asked to be the bachelor, I would have done it for love. When I was actually the bachelor,

I would have done it for free. Well, actually now that I know I'm in love, I mean, but I care, no, I care deeply about the women that were on my season. For real? No, I shit you not. I mean, I was at the time I was 35, I was coming off Paradise.

I had a nice little like comeback for the first time ever, like a fan favorite. I was very nervous about going back. I literally said to the producers, like isn't there something to be said about Quentin while you're ahead? And I just, I knew the type of people they normally cast. I knew they didn't necessarily cast for us.

They casted for TV. And I really wanted it to work because I knew how much pressure The Bachelor has to end up engaged. And like, I was terrified, especially after night one. I'm like, holy shit, I have to get engaged to one of these people. This is fucking crazy. I do have a question.

Oh my God, I'm loving this. Okay, so my question is, are there times when you're, you've probably already talked about this, but are there times when you're on The Bachelor and they say you have to keep this person around for good TV? I know you want to send them home tonight, but they're great TV. The best way to keep this person around for good TV. I know you wanna send them home tonight, but they're great TV.

The best way to answer this question is they don't make you send anyone home that you wanna keep. Well, that's okay. Well, and you only- I'm trying to figure out the- The riddle in that. The riddle in that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, the riddle. The riddle is how many times in your life, think about before you were married and you were single and you'd walk into- I don't like to think about this. I just stick to my happy marriage. If you had to. How many times did you walk into a bar?

Lord, okay. And be attracted to more than two people? Never. Exactly. Most of the time I'm attracted to anybody. So when you're the lead, yeah, and you meet all these people, yes, they're great and beautiful and everyone,

and you're grateful that so many people came to meet you, but you only are into maybe two, if you're lucky four. Really? Like week two? Like you're not like, oh, there's like eight people that you're really vibing with two the whole time. I think most leads, if you, I think for producers, and I've heard this from producers,

if their lead is really into four, they're thrilled. Wow, did you guys know that? No, I knew that. Oh, I mean, yeah. Yeah. Because this is not realistic. Oh my God, that's so crazy. Yeah, they're thrilled.

And so when I say they don't make you send anyone home that you wanna keep, if you're like, hey, I really am interested in this person, those people are absolutely protected. But you don't give a fuck between Jenny or Erica, and they're like, I don't know. Oh my god, this is really hurting me. I'm gonna have to take a moment.

All of my... You're like, who, I don't know, what's her name again? Sure, she can stay. Oh're like, who, who, I don't know. What's her name again? Sure, she can stay. Oh my God, wait, what? Do you remember 30 people's name? You're nervous, it's, you're not even like- No, but I thought that once you're down to like eight people, like there are real feelings happening, maybe.

I think when you're down to eight people, there's a genuine respect for all of the women there. And like, you know, you are going through this very difficult situation together. It is a social experiment. So there's a lot of respect. Like, I was very worried and very, I tried to be considerate. I tried to like make sure that like

it was giving them their time, whether they thought it did or not. But I, you know what I'm saying? Like I cared about them as people, but I absolutely was like, I was trying to send them home as fast as possible. I could not wait to break up with them. Oh my God! This is great.

Because it's so hard. This is amazing. It's like, you know, someone's nervous and drunk and they have like, they had white wine five hours ago and not a mint and they don't know what to say. And they're like, by the time they talk to you at three in the morning, you know, and they have like, they had white wine five hours ago and not a mint and they don't know what to say. And they're like, by the time they talk to you at three in the morning, you know, and they get nervous. Well, this sounds like the first night. It's the first seven weeks.

Or is it like? How long is the whole thing? Like nine weeks. Okay. You're forced to, it's, you're forced to make out with people you don't want to make out with. That sucks, no.

That sucks, yeah. Are you kind of like, pushed to make out? Well, it's just like. You don't want, I feel like you don't want to make out with. That sucks. No. That sucks, yeah. Are you kind of like pushed to make out? Well, it's just like. You don't want to, I feel like you don't want to turn someone down. Because then you like make them like you embarrass them. That's the thing. And as a bachelor it's even tougher. Yeah, as a bachelorette.

As a bachelorette you can be like, nope. And you'll be like, queen, yeah, don't kiss a man that you don't want to. If I as a bachelor were to like swerve, I'm the biggest asshole in the world. There's definitely more more pressure for sure. I agree, it's more pressure. So there are a lot of uncomfortable makeouts. Oh my God, this sounds kind of awful. I feel like we talked about this,

but Nick on his season, like got choked out by Jasmine on the Valley. You remember that? No, I mean, I loved you. I don't remember your season. That's okay. It's a long time ago. I'm okay. It's a long time ago. I'm sorry, this was a long time ago.

But he got choked out by Jasmine. I got full on punched in the face. Open hands. You did? By who? Her name was... I'm saying who, like I'll remember. Yeah. Who?

I don't remember anything about your season, but who? I forgot her name. I just, I remember, you know what I liked about you? And I was like, okay, that's a Bachelor that I like. Here's what I liked. I felt like you were authentic on your season. And a lot of times it does not feel like, and I don't know if you guys,

but a lot of times it feels like the guys are playing the role of Bachelor sometimes. And I'm like, who are you really? And I felt like, okay, we got a good sense of who you were, whether people liked you or didn't like you. I appreciate that. And I felt like, okay, we got a good sense of who you were, whether people liked you or didn't like you. But I felt like that authenticity, which is what was appealing watching you on the scene.

I appreciate that, yeah. Yeah, that authenticity has remained. Good. Thank you. One thing is what makes us successful here at the Vow Files. I agree. Yeah, it was the, they had to role play breakups. And so one of the girls-

What do you mean? Like they took us to the museum of heartbreak in Hollywood, I don't know, some, you know, it was like one of those dates they just kind of make up on week two. Oh my God. And they had to like pretend- Is that a real museum or they fake the museum? I don't know, no, it used to be a real museum.

Okay, wow. Like on Hollywood Boulevard. That's so depressing. And- Like your date was there and you knew that you were gonna have to- It was a group date. a real museum on Hollywood Boulevard. That's so depressing. Like your date was there and you knew that you were gonna have to break up? It was a group date. So all the girls in the group date had to like break up with me and one of the girls decided

this would be a great opportunity to hit me in the face as hard as she could. And I thought she broke my jaw. It's not funny. Yeah. And did she go home? Is that who you sent home? Not as fast as I wanted her to. You kept her my jaw. Yeah. And did she go home? Is that who you sent home? Not as fast as I wanted her to.

You kept her? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Okay. Well, then may for good TV.

Being the bachelor is a lot of like, you know, and then like, and then a lot of girls were like, one girl was like, hey, I want to tell you something. I've never told anyone this. And it was like- On camera. It was a, not a great story. Okay. A great story, I've never told anyone this. And it was like. On camera. It was not a great story. Okay.

My great story I felt. Terrible. Terrible. And I was like, do not say this. I knew I was about to send her home. And I didn't even. Oh! I'm like, don't say this.

No. Do not say this, cause I'm like, I'm going to send you home. Like this should not be the first place you say this. But I was also like, why? Like, and it was like, obviously, he was saying it just to this. But I was also like why, like and it was like obvious he was saying it just to stay, but I'm like, she was like,

I literally haven't told my parents this, like this is not the way that your parents should find this out, you know? And I- Were you saying that? Oh, that was what you were thinking. No, I said this to her. Oh, you said it to her.

And I knew they weren't gonna air this shit. They were never gonna air what she said. But like the fact that she was so willing to say it, you know, was like kind of crazy to me. Do you think it's because they're in, like you're in a situation that feels very vulnerable. And so the bubble almost makes you open up more about things that are.

I don't know, I mean, there are certain. I feel like now with the seasons now, it obviously feels so less genuine because it's like, okay, all of these people who are on today are like, you can tell they're major fans of the show, and you can tell they're kind of like, oh, well, I know you're supposed to do this.

And so it kind of feels like, but I don't know if that long ago, they had the same mindset of like, okay, if I tell a Masab story, like I'll stay another week. Because- That was definitely a little bit of that. It was. That's been like a consistent thing on The Bachelor.

We call it trauma dumping now on the dates, but I'm like back then it was the same thing. It's like you saw that like it bought somebody else last season an extra week. So now here's, I don't know my father and my mother. Like, and it's just like, wait, why are we doing this? Oh, you think it's strategy. Truly.

Yeah. Interesting. Imagine going on like a beautiful candle at dinner, first time being alone with this person. And you're just like, so by the way, when I was 12, we don't wanna catch up with each other. Oh man, I'm such a naive viewer. I'm like, oh, they're opening up.

Some of them are, but that's why sometimes as the leads, you see leads, and I think sometimes leads will be criticized for not handling it the best, but they're so exhausted from all these different stories, some of which land, some of them don't. And you're just like, don't know how to handle it. It's a lot. Are you watching, how long before you are watching it?

Like, do you get the episode a week before? If you're the lead, you get the whole thing? No, week to week. Yeah. It must be really terrifying. But if you're on the cast, I would be terrified. You're watching it with America.

Oh, really? How is it for you? Do you get the whole season? No, so for us, we don't watch it until it airs on the night. I mean, if I wanted it early, I could probably get it like the day before or something like that.

But it's totally different. I mean, because I know what's in a script, right? Yeah, you're in a script. And I'm living it, and I know how it's totally different. I mean, because I know what's in a script, right? And I'm living it and I know how it's being shot and maybe something will get cut, but I don't, it's not me, I'm not Camilla worrying like, oh God, is that thing I said? You know? You have to wonder like, the thing you said in week two,

if it's gonna be used in week five at the worst possible time to make you seem like you said something about someone. Oh my God. A different, yeah. It reminds me of the show Unreal. Yeah, did you watch Unreal? I'm familiar with it, but it was like one of those things

where like because- It was too close for you. Actually it was the opposite. Oh really? Because like for all of the crazy shit that goes on, and we talk a lot, I just like, they're making a TV show, man. Like we all signed up for this crazy experience.

And like, it's not to say that I didn't have my frustrations with the show and sometimes how they did things, but like that's how you make TV. And like, and again, like when we talk about like Vanderpump and La La, like I can separate the characters and like the TV show. And I can like be critical of like Lala the character and Not necessarily Lala the person and I can still say thank you for being a good TV person

even though I can I can be like, you know what? I don't agree with Lala and fuck Lala and I can't believe she did this but also like you're the star of the season type of thing and You know, it's one of those things I'm just I always get so sick of like especially like bastard contestants who go on the show. And then like, I've said this before, but like I've never heard, like a producer, they're just trying to, it's not that like, Cindy, of in different.

Yes, it's not three wizards in a tower trying to like ruin these people's lives. These are like people who used to work on Vanderpump one season and now they got a job working for The Bachelor. Now they work, it's just like a job. And their job is to come up with ideas and feed people lines. And like, I think this is funny.

Do you wanna say this? Yes or no? It's not a gun to your head situation. I've never seen a cast member of a reality TV star say something, get a lot of adoration and praise for it and say, you know what? That wasn't my idea. That was a producer.

But when it's the other way around, when they say something that doesn't give love, it's never their fault. It's always the editor or the producer. It's always someone else who made them say something. And it's just like, you're an adult, you chose to say it. You showed up to make reality TV. And so, you know, I think there's a middle ground.

So this is so fascinating to me because this is not my industry at all. You feel like there's LaLa the character and then there's LaLa the person. And those are two different things that we're watching. Potentially. Like Jax Taylor, I'm pretty sure that's who he is. I actually think Jax is probably like,

I can appreciate him as a, I can want him on my television and I could be like, he's kind of a bad guy. And I don't think anyone who like wants to like not be emotionally terrorized should hang around with Jax Taylor. But if you were making it, okay, so you're making the new valley or whatever it's called, right? West Side, I don't know.

Making it up now. Who are the five people as a producer that you want on that show? Are these, is this a Bravo show? Yes. This is a Bravo show. Because I would want Jax on there. Yeah, Jax would be on television. Right? Yeah, he's great at television, he is. I would want Jax on there. Yeah, Jax is excellent television.

Right? Yeah, he's great at television, he is. I would want Kristen too. Yeah, Kristen's excellent. I mean, some great options. Teresa. Teresa, yeah. Oh, wait, can we talk about this?

Yes. Yeah, we have to. I've been dying to get to Real Housewives of New Jersey. I was gonna ask you, Camila, are you team Teresa or team Melissa? I am fully team Teresa. Oh my God. Say more. How?

Because I've been watching since day one and I have eyeballs. Okay, well, someone who hasn't, who's played catch-up and from where I sit, it seems like, what is Melissa supposed to do? Please educate me. What is she supposed to do? Have a storyline?

Nick? She was a pop star. The pop star. The pop star. The second season she was, like literally, okay here's my question. We all know so much about Teresa and she has her moments for sure.

By the way, I got to interview her and I felt so, I did the talk and she was the person I got to interview on the talk because I was a guest host and I was like, I love you so much. I'm teaming up. Wait, that's so fun. I was like geeking out. No, I think that like, I love you so much. Wait, that's so fun. I was like geeking out.

No, I think that like, I get, well, I don't know. I mean, you have probably have a different opinion then. I don't know how you would feel, but I feel like you got to bring something every season. And I do think that her storyline is Teresa every single season. And I don't still know much about Melissa. But on the inverse, could you say that Teresa's made her storyline about Melissa? No. From the jump, though, she's had issues or saying that she's cheating on her husband,

all of these things, and we're like, well, what did Melissa actually do to her? No, I don't think Melissa's Teresa's storyline. OK. I mean, you have her coming back from jail. You have her looking at her parents. You have her getting married, meeting new guys with her kids. I mean, there's so much.

And also with other cast members, Jacqueline, her and her having a problem, her having a problem with Kathy. The Caroline, I mean Danielle, her reconciling with Danielle. Which Danielle? But like what? True. But what do you know about Melissa

that doesn't have anything to do with Teresa? She's married to his brother. Married to his brother. Yeah. Pop star clothing store, builds houses, flips houses, has gotten in a bit of trouble with legal when it comes to like what was it it, with her like dress store? So that is not in the show, right?

That's what we read about, right? Like it doesn't get mentioned on the show. Ooh, so like what is her, yeah. So what is she bringing on the show, right? What have you learned from her on the show? What have you learned from her? Because a pop star is like her second season on display. That's true, she no longer is.

And she's no longer, and then she has her store. Joe flips houses, she's mom. So it's not on display. That's true. She no longer is. And she's no longer, and then she has her store. Joe flips houses. She's a mom. So it's not really about- So this is a problem. She has brown hair. So it's not really about- It's what do you bring?

What are you bringing to the table? And also, well, listen, I think sometimes they're both awful to each other. I think that Melissa, I mean, I think Teresa sometimes has a hard time articulating herself and that's why she loses emotion. I'm like, you just need to say this. That's all you have to say. I do think it's crazy that they're like, she's not loyal, and they allow people to bring up her kids or bring up jail all the time or read her texts aloud to a bunch of people.

If I'm texting my sister, I'm like, hey, can you do me a favor and not talk about this person, like thanks. And they read it to a room full of the people I'm talking about. Yeah. Well. Yeah. I feel like I need to revisit season one just because like that's the one thing

that I'm the most confused about where I'm like, I'm team Melissa just on the fact that I'm like, I don't know what she originally did to you to make you hate her every year for something different. Like it's just always like Melissa's cheating, Melissa was a stripper, like in all these things where it wasn't true. I think that was like the drama of the first season.

I think they started because she didn't say that. I do believe where producers come out right inside that like they didn't tell Teresa that they were going on the show. Yeah, Melissa came on season two. And that's- Melissa came on on the show. Yeah, Melissa came on season two. And that's the back. Melissa came on.

For three. Yeah, later. And so that was Teresa's issue with Melissa, was the fact that she came. I think it was the issue, it was like your family members are coming on the show and they're kind of working behind, it sounds like they're working the scenes

behind your back a little bit, now they're on the show. And their first episode is, I think one of the first is the christening and they get into a huge fight with your husband. The christening was brutal. And then like, yes, they're, what, those seasons, I don't know if she says, does she actually say that she's a stripper? This is so long ago. She does.

It was the blonde friend or whatever that was like, oh, but that's the thing with Teresa's. Teresa's like never the one to say it, but she's like, well, so and so told me. And then it brings that like to where it's like the blame should be on this person, but you're the one bringing it on the show, which is also part of her job. I don't know. I mean, I feel like we're talking about Kim, was it Kim D back in the day?

I don't know. Like, I feel like this happens with Kyle and Lisa VanApomp on the Devilly Hills. People accuse them of being the master puppet people behind the scenes. And sometimes I think people are coming on and saying the shit they've heard. And then they're saying it to her,

and now it's like, oh, well you had them say that. And then what do you do to- It's like, no, it's just a small town. It travels fast. It's definitely more of that. I think it's more of that that's happening. And then I think it's like, you know, like that one guy that came that was like,

there's a guy that showed up at one point. I love talking about this. He was like Melissa's boyfriend or something like that. Yes, came that was like, there's a guy that showed up at one point. I love talking about this. He was like Melissa's boyfriend or something like that. Yes. And I, and to be honest, watching it, Teresa looks like horrified and like she's got to get out of the situation. I think that other people had fun bringing people on to create the drama. They're on a show, but literally there's a, when people are saying, should Teresa leave

or Melissa leave, the cast is split now. I don't know anything about Melissa. I don't think there's a world in which Teresa should ever leave and she's staying. Well, I would agree with that. That's like, I think- But there's a lot of people that don't agree with that. I think that those are the same people

who would want to have Ariana back and not Lala because they ride for Ariana, they're team Ariana. And I'm like, well, sure, I'm team Ariana, but Lala's better television. And Lala is willing to show up and do her job and Ariana's not, which I respect as a human. Respect Ariana, like protecting her mental health and enforcing her boundaries.

But like on my television show, it's like, meh. And so yeah, like, Teresa, TV, professional. But there's people, a lot of people that are not team Teresa. I mean, I don't know, you don't think Melissa's done anything to Teresa? The actual conflict to me, it's like, I feel like I'm missing something where I'm like, okay, if she just didn't know that her sister-in-law was going to come on the show, that's one thing. But I'm also like, it seems like the main character isn't Melissa in the couple, though, it's Joe, because it's actually about Joe and Teresa having a falling out and Melissa's just the middle man.

Yeah, I hate the guys on Jersey. I hate the husbands. I mean, okay, so last night- Do you hate them? You hate that they're on or you love to hate them? No, I don't love to hate them. I hate that they're on, because I know that that's a, sometimes I love to hate James on Van of Pump Roles

and I'm like, I love him, right? Or love to hate Jax. It's funny, because last night I'm with my husband and he was like, do you want to watch The Boys, which is a great show? And I was like, listen, I'm going on Nick's show tomorrow and I have homework. And he was like, oh, here we go.

What is that? And I was like, I have to watch The Real Housewives of New Jersey. And he was like, all right, so we're sitting on the couch together and the house husbands are all there, right? And they do this high five like this. And he was like, I can't remember the last time

I like bro high fived in the air. It's been a while for me. And I was like, I'm gonna have to ask Nick. High school, maybe. Because this, exactly. And by the way, it happened like so many times. And so that like, yo, let's do shots out of some, you know, block Dole's ass and let's all high five. Like, I don't care. I definitely would have been the guy who's been like, you know.

Yeah. No, yes. I felt, you know, that when Puddy's like, high five, and Jerry's just. No, they're full on like, you know, like the end of a football game and like a movie and I'm like, what is going on? Like, anyway, I know, I think they have to go. If there's one thing that happens next season, the husbands have to go. Team Jennifer or team Danielle?

In what, the fight last night? That's hard because I do love Jennifer. Yeah, I'm team Danielle. With the argument or the physical part of it? The whole thing. The whole thing. The whole thing. Danielle's the blonde. Yes.

Danielle's the blonde. I'm seeing Danielle for sure. I do think that there are rumors that had come out that she allegedly doesn't pay lots, like pay people. Those are the alleged, alleged rumors. And so I think that Jennifer knows those and it just made her not like her. But the whole thing was a lot.

And also just getting physical on a TV show, like, can't do it. Yeah, Jennifer threw the first punch, well, she pushed. She pushed, she was in the in-car space. If you push someone, do you deserve to get punched back? No. No. I don't know, Danielle was wrong for punching her because she also slammed the glass in her face.

It was an aggressive push. It was a punch back. I feel like that's an invite to now get physical. If you shove me, like, I'm not, well, I'm not being the bigger person and leaving. But if you got in her face, then that's your fault, right? In New Jersey, if you get in someone's face, I feel like that's a punch. It's not a punch, but it has a situational. Or using terms like dirt bag.

There's certain words you don't say in Jersey. Slob. Slob. You cannot call someone a slob in Jersey. Yeah, I didn't realize that was a triggering word. I love how she was more upset about the slob than I fucking hate her. That's what followed, but she's like, she called me a slug. I know. I like Dolores.

I think that they need that middle person. Otherwise, what do they have? What do you think is gonna happen? They have no reunion. Why do you think? Well, it sounds like the ratings haven't been what they need to be. And probably because of the Valley,

if like, what's the point of getting them all together if it's gonna be so complicated, they're probably, Brava's just like, fuck it. Maybe it's a game of chicken. Maybe it's the network saying, if y'all aren't gonna do this, we're not gonna accommodate you. Interesting.

It could be that. I've also heard that they're possibly doing something different, maybe not so much a reunion, but I think the no reunion is the whole Teresa and Melissa not being in the same room or whatever they're gonna try to figure out a different way to kind of close out the season. But again, I think it's a lot of extra work

and you guys are contractually obligated to do the show. Just sit in the room and answer the questions. But to that point, if they're not willing to do their jobs, just recast. You know what I mean? And that's what they're thinking about. I don't want them to recast the show though. I just think the people need to. Fire Melissa. I think people need to, I want Kim D back. I think she's fantastic TV.

I love Danielle. Yeah. And I even, even Margaret, I mean, she is villainy, but she's good TV. Were you a Salt Lake girl? No, I don't even know what that means. Salt Lake City? Oh, oh, oh, I thought I'm in, am I from Salt Lake?

And I'm like, I'm actually from England. I just lost my accent. Oh, no, no, but I saw like, I'm actually from England. I just lost my accent. Oh, no, no. But I saw, but I, here's where like TikTok comes into play because like you feel like you've watched some shows. Sure. Yeah. No. What do you think next season will look like?

I want to know from you guys. You're the experts. I'm watching. Of what? Of Jersey. What do you think? Oh no, Jersey. I want to know what you think the cast lineup will be. I don't think there's a chance they don't have. I don't. I think there's a chance they put it on pause and recalibrate. The whole the whole cast?

I don't think it'll do. I feel like when they did that with New York, it fucked it all up. And I don't think it. Listen, like this, the new cast of New York sucks. And like, I'm not interested in watching. Because this is what happened with New York's last season with Legacy, is that they didn't do a reunion because it was so volatile, and then two years later, they recasted the whole show. And it's not doing well? I don't watch New York. I like it, but it's different.

It takes people a while to develop stories. We started watching New York, and it was the first couple episodes, and you can tell none of these ladies knew each other. They had no real feelings. But they're like, we know we're supposed to fight about something. So the fact that you put cheese on your cheese board like the first couple of episodes and you can tell none of these ladies knew each other. They had no real feelings. They weren't invested. But they're like, we know we're supposed to fight

about something. So like the fact that you put cheese on your cheese board and you know I'm lactose intolerant is so fucked up. Oh my God, this is amazing. And that's like the first three episodes fight. And it's like we're still fighting about the cheese. Like what's going on? It was very forced.

I'm tuning in. I will say for Jersey, Kim D said on her podcast that Danielle threw a glass pitcher at Jennifer during the finale. So that's where people are speculating that Danielle can't come back because we know that something big happens. She threw that glass pitcher? In the premiere of this season, we see glass shattered on the ground.

Oh, my God, we do! So Kim D kind of cooperated that something almost violent happens and now they literally were like, we need to pause this. It is weird that on those shows, something like that can go down like now they literally were like, we need a pause to this. It is weird that like on those shows or something like that can go down and it's not an immediate. On The Bachelor if someone hits, oh, well, I guess they would get kicked off.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it kind of used to be like that though. Cause remember Kenya, or not Kenya, Portia got kicked off of Atlanta for like getting in a fight with her during the reunion. So it was like, it used to be like, if you put your hands on somebody, it's absolutely off. It would be crazy situation on The Bachelor

if the lead's favorite got in a physical fight. And they're gone. And had to leave because of some sort of, that would be fascinating. Yeah, that would be good TV. I will, listen, I do, I'm in for The Golden Bachelorette. Oh yeah, same. I gotta watch it. Same, I in for the Golden Bachelorette. Oh, yeah, same. Yeah, I gotta watch it And I do like paradise sometimes still what the what the bachelor franchise needs to do is again

Like take a page out of their own success what happened with Golden Bachelorette? Everyone loves it Okay excited for Joan excited to see the Golden Bachelorette. I don't want another Golden Bachelorette after this you don't hear me out I want like I want a different decade. I want like 50 and divorce with two kids. I want like a 40 something bachelor. You know what I'm saying? I love how 40 something is like. Whatever.

What is that gonna be? Like a bronze bachelor? Whatever, I want representation of different like stages of life and different, everyone nowadays is dating and it doesn't matter if you're 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, you might be dating, everyone's getting divorced, everyone's looking for a second chance at love.

It's not just 20 year olds and 70 year olds. And I wanna see different decades of different groups of people falling in love. And I wanna see- And then have them all on Paradise and see if the 20 year olds are dating the 70 year olds. You know what? The Golden Bachelor, but everyone who didn't make it

on Paradise, so the Golden Paradise. That would be good. Be awesome TV. And they know, what do they say? Syphilis is rampant in old persons homes, so maybe. The retirement home. So what, we need to see everyone get Syphilis? They do STD tests.

They do STD testing. My God. So no Syphilis in paradise. Did you watch any perfect match? I know that the finale was happening. I did. I did watch the finale. And so I was getting some backstory

because I was like, oh my God, this is so good. I, yeah, so I watched a little bit, we can talk about it. What did you think of Harry Jouzy's lies? Awful. Awful. It's so bizarre to me though, when people bold-faced lie and they really don't think that production maybe has the footage and they're just holding it.

I think- It's such a risk. I think he thinks he is like Netflix, golden boy, untouchable. And so they wouldn't air it? Yeah. I think that was his plan in real time, is to kind of gaslight everyone.

I mean, he went to production on, was like, did you get the kiss of the window? I saw that, but at the end of the day, are you really, do you really not think, I mean, if I'm on a show, I would know the better storyline is to release footage if they have it. I don't know, I just, I think it's such a risk to lie like that.

He genuinely believes he's like Netflix's golden boy that they wouldn't have done that. So I think that's why it was such a big deal as well. Cause we were like, wait, cause even when we were talking about it, I was like, how do you, they have microphones right here. Like how do you not catch them or hear them kissing or like instantly go find them?

And then it's like, oh, nope. He's just been lying and gaslighting the whole time up until it was like, here is the actual evidence. I think Harry Jazzy is actually like a dangerous person. It's scary when somebody can say things that they know other people wanna hear knowing they don't believe it or they don't act out on it, but it's like, he's so convincing.

Like he believes what he's saying while he's saying. He's an emotional terrorist. Pathological. Anything you want to hear knowing you believe it and that's the thing is we talk of all you know it's just like it's one thing for like do you watch summer house at all of you? No but I need to watch it. It's pretty good. Not to relitigate that but like I think especially nowadays there's a lot of people who are out there dating very non-committal, especially the boys. The fuck boys who've been like, it's just like, hey, I'm not ready for a relationship

right now, and we can sit there and debate whether what's wrong with them, yada, yada, yada. But you know what they say, when people are just like, hey, I'm not ready for a relationship, maybe just go ahead and believe them. Maybe just don't try to be the person who changes their ways. And if you try maybe not to not to let them off the hook, but maybe you have to take some responsibility for the fact that you ignored, you know, every red flag

that they presented in that like trail of signals of like, hey, I'm probably not the guy who is gonna settle down. Through the show, is that a consistent message he gave? No, that's the opposite of what Harry did. Yeah, no, that's what I was about to say. I was like, I feel like that's not what he was doing. Harry's the guy that no matter how much therapy you do, no matter how much work on yourself that you do,

no matter how like emotionally like ready you are to get back out there, if you've been cheated on or fucked over in the past and you're like, I'm gonna take a pause, I'm not gonna date for a while, I'm gonna work on myself, and then I'm ready, I'm gonna get back out there, you meet a guy like Harry, who's like six, five, gorgeous, beautiful accent, and he's out there just weaponizing everything you have in your arsenal against you. He will say that he's working on himself and he's like, he will talk about your child if you have one and you're thinking there is no way

someone would be this diabolical. No one would lie about this. No one would say shit like this. And so like you look at someone like Jess and everyone's like, why is she so stupid? And everyone's like criticizing Jess for like the fact that like she's falling in love on a reality TV show. It's just like, that's the world.

It's so intense. Every day feels like a week. We can sit there and criticize bachelor people for just going with the emotions that they're feeling. And then someone like Harry, who knows what he's doing, he's a professional at this, and he's willing to just lie and lie and lie and literally make you think you're crazy.

And that's an emotional terrorist. And like, I think that's so diabolical and so fucked up because that's the thing. There's nothing you can do to prepare for someone like him because the only alternative to protect yourself against someone like Harry is to be like. I don't trust anybody. I don't trust anybody.

Ever. There's no way I shouldn't trust you. There's no such thing as love as first sight. If I feel like just don't trust any feeling that you have. You have to be in an incredible skeptic. And what kind of life is that? And the only way to protect yourself against someone like him is that, is to just not believe anyone.

And that's fucked up. And you sometimes just wanna like believe in love and go for it and think that, yeah, I know. No, it's maybe crazy for me to say I love you, but this person's being honest with me and vulnerable and he uses your vulnerability against you. And it's like, he's crying. It's just like, he gets accused of a lie

and he's out there just like, I'm throwing up and you don't believe me and no one's trusting me and he's crying. It's so- And I've changed. I'm dating to Mary. And I've changed. And I've changed. And I've changed. And it's like so fucking diabolical. Is anybody out there making excuses for him? Oh my God.

His fan base. Oh really? Is unbelievable. They ride so hard for him. And we've asked like the other people on the show, like what is it about Harry? Like, do you not see the way that he is? And they're like, he's just like so funny, man.

Like he just brings such a good like energy. And he's just so, and like that's what it is. be like, he's just like so funny man. Like he just brings such a good like energy and he's just so, and like that's what it is. People just think he's funny. Even his cast mates now, even after they've seen footage. Well, it's one of the two things. The guys seem to just like wanna be him. And the women will talk shit, but it's like, that's the thing, it's just like,

he'll still have unlimited chances. It's like cat win nine lives. You know, it's just like, there'll always be someone willing to's like, that's the thing. It's just like, he'll still have unlimited chances. It's like cat win nine lives. Yeah. You know, it's just like, there'll always be someone willing to be like, but I could change him. He might be different for me. You know, you see someone like him,

and like again, he's a great looking guy. He's very charming. He's this tall six, five guy. And you're like, but what if I could change him? What if he's different from me? And unfortunately he will have unlimited chances to fuck up people's emotions. And he'll make you think along the entire way

that you are changing him. Yeah. Ugh, like you're the one. Yeah. And then, and then when he fucks you over, he'll do what he's like, so I don't know if anyone's paying attention to it, like his internet behavior.

He's out there like posting, like everything's fine between him and Jess. Like that's Harry's playbook. So is that true? I do not believe so. What is she posting? She's being very cryptic. She's like, she posted something over the weekend,

kind of thanking the fans for the experience, letting everyone know it was very difficult for her right now. She's trying to take the high road. She's trying to focus on what she can control. I think she is a very proud person, and I think she's someone who takes therapy and her emotional health very seriously, and I think she feels foolish

for how she believed some of his stuff, and I think she's gotten some criticism, and I think she's working through that. But it's also unclear, because she hasn't been posting all that much. Well, this makes me think they were together. They're definitely not together. For sure?

For sure. Because why wouldn't you come out and be like, that was awful? Well, she has said that she looks forward to sharing her story soon. Ah, she's saving it. Smart girl. Oh, God.

But meanwhile, Harry's out there posting, he wants you to believe, Harry's playbook is to when he gets real shit, he's like, babe, it's real, ITV is not real. So he's out there just fucking with these people's lives and fucking with their emotions. You mean that's what he's saying in reply to comments or that's what he's saying to people like Jess?

Both. Yeah, like he's. So then none of it's real? Yeah, no, he's like posting videos. It is real, but he will make you believe it. He's saying it's after the fact. After the fact. If he's like, baby, it's reality TV, it's not real. Correct.

Then is he saying the whole experience isn't real or just that moment? I'm just trying to understand like what his excuse is. What's the- His thing is all like it's all fun and games. Meanwhile, he has like his trail of love. Yeah, he claims on his podcast that like the show, like he was really in love, that he really felt those things.

And that moment was just fun and games and not real. And then like on social, he just kind of downplays it. I think when it benefits him, it's not real. You know? They don't follow each other. I just think like it's..., it's not real. You know? Oh. They don't follow each other. I just think like it's. He doesn't tag her.

I think it's just fascinating, because again, like we cover all these different shows and different franchises with different fan bases. Yeah. And to me, it's just so fascinating seeing like one fan base's reaction to say Scandival or what happened on Summer House. And then you look at the Netflix universe

and like you see this type of behavior, and it's just like for all the people who lost their shit over Scandival, and I get Scandival. Scandival, I think, partly is because you had this couple for 10 years, and like this real relationship. Right, we were invested,

and by the way, I was super shocked. I did not see it coming at all. I get that, but when you look at just like his behavior, and I think we all love to watch these shows to kind of look at like, how, is this, you know, whether it's real or not, just like his behavior. And I think we all love to watch these shows to kind of look at like, how, like is this, you know, whether it's real or not, I think we like to look at these characters

and discuss like the people that, who they remind us of, the people we've dated in the past, or, you know, maybe we see ourselves in these people and things like that. And I think you look at his type of behavior and I think it's one of the most diabolical, like people on reality TV ever. And the fact that his audience, our Netflix audience,

treats it very differently is just kind of fascinating to me. Because I just think, like you look at Tom Sandoval, it's just like, yeah, maybe. I just don't think he's that, I think he's more harmless than a Harry Jouzy. Because I think Harry's smart, and I think Tom is less than. I wonder if it's the fact that people that watch

Vanna Pump and the, well not the Valley, but Vanna Pump. We, I mean, that show's been on for 10 years, right? Plus, 10 plus years and we've all seen them go through so much that you kind of feel like you know them and then you feel more frustration. You may have more investment. I think there is a part of that. Yes, like you're like, you cheated on Ariana?

There is a little bit of that with like Perfect Match, it's like this ensemble cast, you know, it's like what, how long have you known them? Three weeks, you know? But it's like, it's also a social experiment. And so like having been in one of those atmospheres before, I know how vulnerable so many, like Jess, like Jess again, she came into this atmosphere,

filmed Love is Blind, took a hiatus, filmed Perfect Match, has no idea what it's like in the moment when she's filming Perfect Match to like be a public figure to have fans, she doesn't know any of this. And but she, like, but Harry, he's a literal celebrity in this atmosphere.

Yeah. And so you have like, you have this person who knows how this works, who's like showing up for a job, then you have this person who knows how this works, who's showing up for a job, then you have someone like Jess who's showing up for a social experiment in an environment that's very powerful and it's hard to control your own emotions

or to know what's real, to know what's fake. So the only choice you have in Bachelor World is to just say, I know this is crazy, I know it's fucking nuts. But I'm leaning in. But I'm just gonna like, fuck, I'm just gonna, I'm gonna feel how I feel, I'm not gonna judge my feelings, I'm just gonna feel

because that's the only thing I can do. And to have that weaponized against you by someone who knows what they're doing is to me so fucked up. I feel like it's worse, it's not worse, but I'm a mom of two kids. And I feel like when you're messing with someone also that has a kid, it's even worse. It may, I don't know.

That's not to say that if you don't have a kid, it's not unkind, but it just feels, I don't know. It hurts my mom heart. Totally, and like using the kid to your advantage of being like, I'm not being the type of stepfather that she would look for. So he's like, and again, he's saying this because the night before you know that Jess is just like,

I'm very careful about the men I date and I have a daughter, I'm very protective and I want the person I date to be an example, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then he'll hear that, he'll fuck up, and then he'll go to Jess and say things like that, and just be like, I'm disrespecting. And using her daughter's name on TV,

and again, so the fan base is now judging Jess, being like, you should know better blah blah blah You're a bad example meanwhile in the in real time all Jess can think is either He is a sociopath or he's telling me the truth Yeah, and you always want to believe you always want to believe your person And when you're in a relationship you want to believe that yeah Yeah, sure any any use it and he weaponizes it against him. It's so fucked up. I gotta catch up. Yeah.

Are you watching Love Island at all? No, I mean, these are my only shows. We watched it for the first time this weekend. Hooked, absolutely hooked. Wait, wait, wait, hang on. Are you talking about the British Love Island? USA, no, USA. Oh, okay, I watched England back in the day.

Well, we've been told UK's better, but we've been told this season that UK, like USA actually is pretty good. So we just started USA and this is all to say it's pretty fucking good. No, haven't watched it. It's bonkers. Okay. Gotta make a list.

If you're looking for more. My husband's gonna be real happy when I come home. He's gonna be like, so the boys, and you're like, sorry, I learned about a couple of your shows. I learned about Perfect Match, Love Island USA, Summer House. You know what? He likes watching these shows with me. He'll have an opinion on Love Island.

Okay. He liked watching The Bachelor. He likes watching... Yeah, he likes all those shows. They're fun. I mean, they are fun. They are fun. They're a fun, easy watch. Thanks so much for coming. Thank you. You've been so great.

Will you come on my podcast? Yeah. Can you please tell my audience about your podcast? Sure. So, my podcast is called Call It What It Is. It's a little bit different to yours in that we answer listener questions and try and solve their problems. And I'm doing it with my castmate from Grey's Anatomy, Jessica Capshaw. She's amazing. So it's like our Ask Nick episodes? Yes. Okay. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, and it's really fun. And I have to say that we're new in this game. We've only had like three episodes out. Mandy Moore was our first guest.

Great, amazing to show off. Out with a bang. Yeah, out with a bang. And whoever shows up, they help us too. And we've had just literally thousands of people write us already. I'd love to. You have to come on one of our Ask Nick's.

Okay, yeah. We'll do an exchange. Give an advice exchange. I'm happy to do yours regardless, but if you'd love to come back for an Ask Nick, our audience would love to hear your advice. Why not? This was so fun.

Honestly, my husband gets so tired of me talking about reality TV to come and hang out with you guys. You got it out of your system for today. My pleasure, yes. Please come back, especially if Vanderpump does come back. out with you guys. My pleasure. You got it out of your system for today. My pleasure, yes. Well, please come back, especially if Vanderpump does come back, you'll have to. Oh, I gotta come back. Talk, or when the Valley's back out.

For sure, or yes. I'm gonna have a lot of thoughts and feelings. Let's do it. Thanks so much for coming. Thank you. Please let my audience know where they can find you, follow you, other than listen to your podcast, which I'm sure is available wherever you listen to podcasts.

Wherever you listen to podcasts, and then, other than listen to your podcast, which I'm sure is available wherever you listen to podcasts. Wherever you listen to podcasts. And then if you wanna be on the show, we take live callers too. Where can they write it? They can write, they can DM us at call it what it is. They can write to the email, call it what it is, iheart.com. And if you go to our Instagram account, it's all there.

Wait, can I ask this before I go? Sure. Sorry, I'm gonna this before I go? Sure. Sorry, I'm gonna have some mom conversation with your lady. Are you planning on baby number two? Oh yeah, absolutely. Oh! Absolutely.

Would you want a boy or you want two girls? I don't, I mean, I definitely want a boy. I don't know if I want like the next one. I don't know if I want it girl, girl, boy or girl, boy. Oh, you want more than two. I would do probably three, maybe four. I mean, we'll see if God willing, you know. Oh my God.

And you watched his season of The Bachelor. I did not. I've never seen it. Oh my God, you've never seen it. I've never seen it. I've seen clips. I was about to ask you if you had a little Bachelor crush too on Nick.

No, never watched him on the show. I'm worried if she were to see some of my not good stuff. That was like ages ago. What's considered your not good stuff? On The Bachelor you think you're not very good? No, I was very happy with how my Seasons of the Bachelor turned out. Yeah, I thought that was a good season.

But you know, Andy's season was strong. Well, he won some, you lose some. That's fine. Would you ever go back? Are you interested? I'm trying to think if my husband was on it, would I wanna go? Not really, I don't really have the interest

to see him get engaged to someone else or make out with 30 women, you know? Yeah, no, it's not fun. But I've seen the clips and photos, he was really hot, you know, and loved his outfits. There's been a couple times she sends me pictures from when I was on Paradise. Yeah.

And kind of like a, fuck you, why don't you look like this now? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What happened? There is a little bit of that. Well, I can't imagine the pressure on those shows when you're on the beach all the time. Oh yeah, right?

And he was like, I was doing CrossFit four times a day. I'm like, well. There's nothing else to do there, right? Just kind of work out. Yeah, no. Yeah. No, your parents know. I know. That all kind of work out. Yeah, no. Yeah. No, your parents now. That all goes out the window.

I know, I know. Congratulations, how old? She's almost five months. Sorry, I know I'm being like, here, just let me just second. No, no, no, she's July 2nd, she'll be five months. Ah! Oh, you have a little!

She's little. Yeah. You don't look tired at all! We're doing pretty good. She just, we just, this is our second week in her crib, and she's not gonna out of the park. Oh my God, you guys, are you getting any sleep? Yeah.

She's really good. She is, we've got a great routine. She goes to bed at 7 p.m. every night and maybe wakes up once or twice just to like, she probably doesn't even wake up, we just hear her moving and we're like, oh, we gotta go in there and check on her. Oh my God, congratulations.

She's really good, she's a really good baby. Oh, and what's her name? River Rose. Oh, that's a great name. Thank you. Oh my God, congratulations. What are your kids' names? Hayden and Lucas.

Love. Love. Yes. Are they best friends? They really are. They are, okay. They really are. They love a little bit too much.

I mean, they're a little, you know, they can get into it. What are they, what is the age difference? Hayden is seven and Lucas is about to be four. Yeah, it's a good age difference. I feel like it's enough, but oh my God, amazing. You guys look amazing as new parents. I mean, me and Matt did not, we were like crawling our way through life at this point.

We had a wedding. We looked like trolls. Three months after she had River. I gave birth February 2nd, we got married April 27th. Wow. So I had a very tight turn around. You can see those photos. I got married, Matt and I got married after to our baby,

and I have to say that I loved doing it the non-traditional way. Thanks. Because I love the pictures of Hayden present with us. Oh my gosh. At the wedding. Yeah, she walked down the aisle. Like it made, I know, Matt walked her down the aisle,

carrying her and it's like, I don't know why those pictures are so special. I can't imagine her not being there. It's a good way to do it. It is a good way to do it. I fully approve of this way. Absolutely, me too. Like who says sex after marriage?

No. Kid before marriage. No, totally. Come on marriage. No. Totally. Come on. Come on. Thank you guys so much for having me. You guys are so fun. And you guys all have really good chemistry together.

Thanks. We appreciate that. Very fun. Yes. Thanks for coming. We'll see you soon. Thank you. Well, we just want to say thanks to Camilla for coming.

She's such a delight. That was so fun. She knows so much about reality TV. We have to have her back. She was an absolute delight. That was so fun. She knows so much about reality TV. We have to have her back. She was an absolute delight. Wrapping up, perfect match. I mean, a lot of controversy, who won forgot the names of the people who won

because we barely even knew them. We didn't follow their season. We didn't follow their love life. But also, who gives a fuck? They're just going on a vacation for the two of them to pop off. That's the thing. I think that's the show telling you they don't really care who won. It doesn't really matter. Also, just something to point out for the two of them to like pop off. That's the thing, until they like, I think that's the show telling you

they don't really care who won, it doesn't really matter. Also just something to point out for all the fans out there, because I know like Chris came out and like was like, there's a conspiracy theory about like, I don't know, something about like the people who weren't on the show, like had a plan for the people who mostly were on the show. And then people were like, well, producers need to step in.

It's like, whoa, whoa, I thought you didn't want producers to interfere. I thought you wanted authenticity. So like, which one I thought you didn't want producers to interfere. I thought you wanted authenticity. So like, which one is it? Do you want producers to manipulate the storyline or do you want like a lame ending like this? Like, it doesn't really matter who the perfect match is. We learned that last year with Georgia and Dom,

like who gives a fuck? And you're right, they win an influencer trip to wherever the fuck. They should also have done it like Love Island style where it's like, have people vote in, like don't have just like the cast That wasn't actually on the show be who determines who wins like a great idea You know what I mean? That way it actually makes us feel like we're involved in something versus it just like yeah

And they could do that make it more active. Just don't drop them in batches like they do Yeah, but they would have to film that alley later on. Yeah, it wouldn't Yeah, I don't know but there could be an adjustment to the end of perfect match It seems like it's a great show an adjustment to the end of Perfect Match. It seems like it's a great show up until the very end and they're just like, ah, fuck it, who gives a shit? Who do you want to win? Doesn't matter.

Also the going on a trip, it's like these people don't really know each other. Specifically this couple just met. Literally, like class episode. They're like, hey, let's get together. The same episode, yeah, basically. Yeah, so it's like, Chris, I'm sorry, but you don't like Tolu.

Like, they didn't actually like each other. It's like, okay, so you're gonna win and go on a trip with each other? Like, that's what you want? No, it was... Also, Chris going on a story and spilling tea, like, says more about him than it does the show anyways. Anyways, that was our episode today.

We will be back tomorrow with Micah from Perfect Match. We get into a lot more about her storyline. You get some tea. You will not wanna miss that going deeper episode. And then on Thursday, we are back for another reality recap. We'll obviously like kind of, you know, we'll finalize some Perfect Match. Maybe we obviously didn't get into all the granular stuff.

So we'll talk a little Perfect Match, a lot of Love Island, Bravo stuff. We'll get into so much more. It's a big, big week. Join along. We'll see you tomorrow. Bye.