The Viall Files - E777 - Love Island’s Liv, Brett from Bachelorette, RHOC Premiere, Bravo Layoffs, and Teeth Whitening Cults

Episode Date: July 16, 2024

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap. Today we have Liv Walker from Love Island USA and Brett from Jenn’s the Bachelorette. Then we get into our household headlines: teeth whitening sponsorships, Gypsy Rose’s baby, Bachelor in Paradise returning, and the RHOC premiere.  “It was an absolute dumpster fire of a tragic season last year.”  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Follow us on X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheViallFiles Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Huggies - Learn More At https://www.Huggies.com Cremo - You can find Cremo Men’s Body Wash in its new, distinctive Bourbon Vanilla scent at Walmart or https://www.Walmart.com  Nutrafol - Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you go to https://www.Nutrafol.com and enter the promo code THEVIALLFILES. Caraway - This deal is exclusive for our listeners! For 10% off your next purchase, visit https://www.Carawayhome.com/VIALL10 or use code VIALL10 at checkout. Dreamland Baby - Go to https://www.dreamlandbabyco.com and enter my code VIALL at checkout to receive 20% off sitewide + free shipping.  Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @oliviaa_walker @brett_harris57 @leahgsilberstein @justinkaphillips @dereklanerussell  Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 00:29 - Last Weekend 04:44 - Teeth Whitening 07:08- Celebrity Deaths 09:32 - Rust Trial 15:21 - Leah Pregnancy 19:28 - Gypsy Rose 22:32 - Redbox 28:07 - Hotel Rooms 30:01 - Jesse Solomon Fired 40:12 - RHOC 47:56 - Bachelor in Paradise 58:40 - Brett Interview 01:18:11 - Bachelor Recap 01:42:21 - Love Island02:04:41 - Liv Interview 02:37:00 - Final Thoughts 02:31:05 - Outro

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Visit triton.edu slash spring. What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Vilephiles Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick, joined by the household. I hope you all are having a fantastic Tuesday morning. We are happy to be with you. Lots to get into. I mean, I guess, should we just talk about it? The...

We should just talk about it. We should just talk about it briefly. I know, we don't get into politics, obviously. We try to keep this light and feathery because the world is burning around us and there's so many other shows to burn with the world that we just wanna keep it light and feathery. But, you know, sometimes once in a while things happen

where I think we can't not pretend it happened. And it was a sad day for America, for everyone. I hope we can all agree about that. I don't know. I hope we can all agree that we need to come together. Some people in my comments disagree. What are you gonna do? Anyone feeling anything?

Anyone wanna say anything? I think the obvious, I hope it's the obvious thing that needs to be said is like, I hope we can come together, I know. I don't think anybody deserves to be murdered ever. And I feel like even now you're saying that with a little bit of like, I hope it's okay for me to say. It's sad that we live in a world that that is.

It's crazy. What it is. It's just like, this is not the time for, you know, they're still the finger pointing. It's like the, it's time to cool things off. And now the radicals on both sides are all like, but you said it first. And so it's like, someone's gotta be the bigger person.

We'll try. And somebody died. Somebody died too. Yes, someone died. A father, a former firefighter. Yeah, I think behind all of the politics, how you feel, what side you're on at the end of the day, Donald Trump is a father, and he is a husband,

and he is a human being. A human being. Despite what some of you say. And to want death upon someone is really, really sad, and I hope that you know this might have been like a harsh reality that like... It's a scary world we're scared for our our future our daughter's future we're gonna try to come together and the words of President Obama who spoke with us Nally and I and a group of people a

couple weeks ago and he spoke about this very thing and he said all you can do is vote it's now more important than ever to get out and vote and use your democratic right to get out there and your friends and all the people you want, rally the troops, get them out to vote. And it's never been more important to use your power, which is to vote and do that. And that's what's really important. And if you're upset with whatever is going out, vote. Be involved.

Get out there. Vote and don't try to kill anyone. Yeah, and stop with the hysteria and the doomsday rhetoric, again, from both people. It's like, it's not just one, it's everybody. You all did it first. We're all guilty, all of us. And we gotta look in the mirror

and recognize what we could do better, not what the other side should be doing differently. We all gotta look at what we can do, and that's the only way. The truth is, the end of every great civilization in the United States, I like to think, is a great thing, a great civilization.

It all ended because of fighting within the group. That's how America will come to an end because we can't get along. I feel like we're at the end of a Quentin Tarantino movie. I'm a big Quentin Tarantino fan, like his films. And if you watch his films, there's always at the end a face-off. Everyone's pointing their guns at each other and no one wants to die, but everyone's afraid of dying. There's always some person at the end who has an itchy trigger finger and they shoot the gun or they wink funny or whatever and then Everyone dies and no one wants to die

But we're all too afraid of being the one who gets killed by the other radical side And so we all just shoot each other and that's kind of where we're at and we need to put the guns down You need to hug thy neighbor. I know you all probably want me to shut the fuck up and talk about what the fuck Erin is 27 years old Yeah, that is nuts. He talks like a child. We're gonna get into that later. We also have Liv on this episode.

We have your Bachelor fan favorite, Brett. I mean, some of you're all fans. I like the guy. We don't know much about him. We wanna figure out if he's worthy of such praise. He is with us today as well. But I think really the breaking news today is we found out over the weekend that Aaron just turned 27.

And Aaron's first time on reality TV was traitors over in the UK. And he won the season. And I think that matters. And I think he is the villain of Love Island USA. I really do. Yeah. I think influencers talking about teeth whitening is a cult.

Oh, go on. Say more. Have you seen every, We're already off script. Every, yeah sorry, I saw this this morning and I was like, this is not fucking real. They post like a little screenshot of a DM or something and it's like, what teeth whitener do you use?

And they link it. And it's like, why has no one asked me that? Do I have yellow teeth? Like does no one want to know like what I'm using on my teeth? Why is it no one asked me? I think I have. They sent the DM to themselves So they could screenshot it. What's going on? So these influencers they'll either just like randomly post a little text box of like what teeth whitener do you use and post a little text box of like what teeth whitener do you use and they'll like post a link to it or they'll do an ask me anything and it's like they answer two questions and then oh what teeth whitener do you use and then the ask me anything's done. You're not wrong. No they get a friend to do it. So it's a cult.

Is it the same brand? Yes it's the purple one right the purple toothpaste. Or the black one. Is it some sort of pyramid scheme? No, it's like strips. Like not the crest whitening strips. It's like the natural organic ones. So who's asking the question, what teeth whitener do you use? No one knows because it's just a tiny screenshot

of the, so they could have had, they could have asked themselves. Sure. This is the same thing as the brand owners that go into Walmart and then they find a customer that's holding their product and they're like, oh my God, can you tell me about that? And they say, oh, I love it.

It saved my life. And they're like, well, I'm going to buy it for you today. And then they're like, oh my God, I've never heard of that. It's this whole scam of like portraying the brand as like a question, right? Yeah, I guess. Oh my gosh. I just want to- Why was this triggering for you this morning?

Because I just like find, I've seen enough of them. Agreed. I've seen so many of them to the point where I'm like, all right, someone's gotta come out and say the truth. What's happening? Is this the brand paying you? And they're like, when you do an Ask Me Anything, it's gotta be third slide and then you're done.

Natalie's gonna get a teeth whitening sponsorship out of this episode. And y'all better not say shit. Y'all better click my link. And y'all better not say shit. Y'all better click my link. And y'all better not say shit, because I'm trying to afford our dream house that is currently gonna be off the market. You do have nice white teeth.

What do you use? I'll send you the link. Okay, thanks. Actually, I'll post it on my story later. I'll post it on my story and you can click it. No, I just brush my teeth. I probably should use more whitening stuff. But yeah, so moving on.

I will say on a sad note this weekend, we had a couple of celebrity deaths. We did. Richard Simmons. Sweat into the oldies. I took a class with him once. You met him? That's cool.

Yeah, I took one of his fitness classes. No way. I did. I did when I was young. What was it like? How old were you? Tell me, that was so many questions. I was the youngest person in the class by far.

I was like. Were you a participant or did you go with mom? Yeah, I went with my best friend and our moms. How old were you? High school, like 13, 14 maybe. And this was like an aerobic step up class? Yeah, it was like a dance class. His energy was unmatched. Unmatched.

Yeah. I just remember him going like, in the rainbow. Yeah. He was great. And everyone in the class was like at least twice my age. And I was... He just was just like a special like, hey, I'm just gonna do this for fun

because like he's been a major celebrity for a long time. He would just do pop-up, Sweatin' the Oldies. Little workout class. Did he have sweatin' the oldies? Yes. Was that his thing? He had the tapes. I did it with my mom when I was little.

I feel like there's no one like that today. No. No, not with someone with such joy. We need, it's not, I don't think, unfortunately, a sad coincidence over the weekend, we had such a terrible dark weekend for all of us, and we lost a beam of light. He was a beam of light.

He was just like. It was a lot. The class lost a beam of light. He was a beam of light. He was just like. It was a lot of, the class was a lot of fun. You know, like, there's this like the joy and the cheer and like pouring out for. Richard Simmons. And Shelley Duvall. Shelley Duvall. Oh, I didn't even realize Shelley Duvall passed.

She did, yeah. Dr. Ruth. Dr. Ruth. Dr. Ruth. Dr. Ruth passed. Yes. Olive oil. And Shannon Doherty. Yeah.

Really sad. Really sad weekend. Really sad. We were gonna have the opportunity to interview Shannon about a month ago, and unfortunately, obviously her health took a turn, and that was really just- Her health took precedent.

She was an icon. Yeah, she was pretty. 90210. 90210 was between Luke Perry and Shannon Doherty were the two biggest stars. Yeah. Right, of the original 90210. And Jason Priestley.

I feel like Jason Priestley was like right below. Right under. I mean especially, Luke was definitely the most famous guy. Yeah. You know. And then Jason was like, you know, Chandler, and Luke was Joey, but like not dumb. It's still hot.

Luke was so hot. You know, we need Elizabeth Wagmeister to break down this Alec Baldwin rust trial because I'm so confused. We could probably call him. And why he's been, like, this is like his third time in court for the same charge. I don't think he's going back.

He's finally a free man. It seems like what happened is that the prosecution was trying to make it more of a political thing. Well, you run for office to be a district attorney, right? So it's a political position. You need votes. And oftentimes when it comes to juristic attorneys, the bigger the case, the more press they will get, the more of a name they'll make for themselves.

And it seems like that's what they were trying to do with this case with Alec Baldwin. Whatever you think of Alec Baldwin, I mean, it did seem like these charges filed against him were how was this his fault as an actor? This is the criminal side of it at least. So not the civil side of the suit, but. Yeah. Yeah. And I never felt like he should have been facing criminal charges.

If you give an actor a prop, they assume it's a prop. And that's what's dismissed as the criminal charges. The civil was he paid out the family. Well, you can sue anyone for anything from a civil standpoint. It's a tricky situation from the start, because someone lost their life, but also it wasn't necessarily his fault.

There's no intent. Yeah, it's terrible that someone lost their life. It doesn't mean you don't go after the most famous person just because. And just whatever you think of Alec Baldwin doesn't make him guilty of a terrible thing. So, and honestly, now he can film his reality TV show in peace, which I am excited to watch.

I forgot about that, yeah. How have we forgotten about that? Why am I the only one super excited about this? It went away from like the top of my mind. I've said it before. I don't need another John and K plus eight. Why will it just be John and K plus eight? John and K plus eight came on the scene.

They were nobodies. They obviously had quadruplets or whatever it's called. They were famous because they had eight kids at once and that was crazy. This is Alec Baldwin, one of the most famous actors of our generation who's married to someone who fakes an accent. I would watch Hilaria on A Real Housewives.

I think that would be great. That's what I'm saying. Oh yeah. But this could be some version Housewives. I think that would be great. Oh yeah. That would be good. But this could be some version of that. But this is them as like parents. And I'm like, I don't need to see you raise eight different children. Cause every episode is gonna be the children screaming

and then them driving them to like a practice or be friends. Oh my God, my life's so hard. Cucumber who wants a snack? Cucumber. You're right. I guess I'm not interested in the morning routine. Yeah, I wanna see you guys going out to events.

But do you think they'll bring in drama? They have to. Yeah, no, they have to bring in drama. Which doesn't make, why? I feel like there's just so many things where I'm like, he's not gonna say it. Where I'm just like, she starts speaking in accent, he's not gonna be like, where are you from?

That's what we would wanna know. Do you think she'll still do that? She did it in the commercial, right? She does it, she does it. That's why we need her on Housewives, because someone else would call it out. I mean they called Dureet. No they were from Connecticut.

I was like Dureet, yeah. No, when these people are doing accents, like sometimes Nellie's good at accents, you know? Are you good at accents, Sierra? Yeah, sometimes I bust them out, especially when I'm drunk. I like to consider myself bilingual. I like Russian. Well, say something like that, you're gonna get yourself in trouble.

No, no, no, just like I'm bilingual in... Accents. What's by accent? Accentual. I don't know if there's a term for it. Accentual. Bia... Talented.

Yeah, maybe that's just it. Talented. If Hilaria is having... Is it her name, Hilaria? Hilaria. I thought it was Hilaria. Hilaria. Hilaria? I could it was Hilaria. That's hilarious. Hilaria.

Hilaria? I could believe that, I could believe that. That's what I thought, but. Sierra does have a point though, because Dorit on Beverly Hills Housewives, like she got clocked so many times for her fake accent. Because she's a woman of the world. But her, yeah, but that was her fake accent came from like,

I'm worldly, I'm from like London. My husband's from the UK, but we lived in Germany. Hold on, Dorit's not from, no. But like if you were to hang out. America. With Nellie and I long enough, we had some friends over for the weekend, the lovely ladies who designed her wedding dress.

They're just my friends now. Either way, we had some friends over. And we goofed around. And throughout the day, some accents were thrown out. That's different. I know, no, no, I know. Yeah, okay. And what I'm saying is if you were to like,

let's say we invited some other people, let's say a friend of a friend came, they would hear multiple accents. And I guess if they didn't know Natalie or her friends, I guess my question is, it's not a crime to throw out an accent. The difference is when somebody asks you where you're from, that you disclose

you're not from Australia. You're not from whatever accent you're pretending to do. Yeah. That's the difference. I could speak from whatever accent you're pretending to do. Yeah. That's the difference. I could speak in any accent, but if somebody's like, are you from Germany? And I was like, no. Like no.

I remember one time in college, I went out with one of my girlfriends and we like met up with this new group of people. And I don't know what was going through my head, but when they asked where I was from, I all of a sudden said I was from England and had an accent because I thought we were just gonna like hang out for three seconds and I was like, oh,

let's pretend to be someone else for a sec. And then we got stuck the whole night and I had to stick to the bit. And I believed you. Give me your best, give me your English accent. Oh no. Oh no. And that's Australian.

That's Australian, that's Australian. What do you want me to say? You went in a whole night. I need an accent. That is talented. That's Australian. That's Australian. That's Australian. What do you want me to say? You went in a whole night. I need an accent. That is talented. I was also drunk. Order a drink at a bar.

Can I please have, no, I can't do it on the spot. I can't do it on the spot, no, no. To be fair, they were also probably drunk. So anything you said could have been like- Were your friends like, bitch, give it the fuck up. You guys, shut up. No, they were like, fuck, now we need to go on with it and pretend that you're from England.

Yeah, we visited her at the huge high summers ago. We had a lot of fun. Yeah, the whole night was just a complete lie. Grambling around to figure out what our lives were. That's kind of fun, to just cosplay something else. How's the pregnancy going? It's good. Leia's days away, weeks?

Days away. Days. I don't know, my doctor, I packed my bag. Your bag is packed. My bag is packed. What did you pack? Why didn't you ask me? Why didn't you ask me anything?

I actually was gonna text you, but I knew I was gonna see you today. I just packed like clothes and baby things, diapers. You don't need any of that shit. Slippers, you don't need any of it? Oh, great. I packed so much for my hospital bag because you see all these videos,

you see these, it's like, pack my hospital bag with me, you're gonna need so much shit. First of all, I did not shower in the hospital because that shower was really scary. And like, I didn't, I just, I wanted my first shower to be like, with my products and like like my shower at home.

Any shower was like a arm bar, which I understand is necessary in the hospital. It's, but it, it, it takes away from the comfort. It has a, it gives it a cold. It's the yellow. It gives it a sterile feel. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So if you need to, yeah, I guess. But if you don't have to.

I would say the things that were necessity for me were my own blanket, my own pillow. Don't forget the pillow. I was gonna say the pillow is what I know. Don't fucking forget the pillow. So far I'm over two. Okay. Oh, I got it, okay.

A fan that you can, you will use it again for a stroller fan, but you can wrap it on the arm of the hospital bed. Crucial need. Over three? Oh my god. You're gonna get hot. You can borrow you will use it again for like a stroller fan, but you can wrap it on like the arm of the hospital bed. Crucial need. Oh my God. You're gonna get hot. You can borrow ours.

Okay, it's fine. Stuff for the baby, you don't, the only thing you need is their going home outfit because the entire time they have like stuff on them to like notify, to like identify who they are. So like you can't really put your own onesies on them and stuff, cause you can't put it over the ankle bracelets, you know? They're swaddled.

Okay. Basically the whole time. Well, sure, yeah, that too. But they're naked and swaddled. They don't put them in pajamas. No, I know, but I'm saying if you, like I brought a bunch of little outfits for River, but she has these like bracelets on her ankle,

so I couldn't put anything on her because they have to be able to see that. My own clothes, I brought a robe, but I feel like I stayed in the gown for majority of the time because you're like, you're like, you know, bleeding and you know, like I don't wanna get my own stuff. You know, like I'll just get this,

this gown's a lot easier. Are you epiduraling it? Oh yes, okay. Are you getting induced? I am, but it's likely I'll go before then, according to my doctor. My baby is huge. Really? Yes. Like already eight pounds. I am, but it's likely I'll go before then, according to my doctor. My baby is huge.

Really? Yes, like already eight pounds. That's what they said about River, when she was not eight pounds. I really hope that. How many weeks are you? 37. I got induced at 38. Yeah.

My best friend actually had her baby this morning though. Really? Yeah, for 30 in the morning. At any point, again, you don't need my advice, but when they say, whenever you want that upper girl, say now. Right now. Wait, have you gotten your cervix checked yet?

On Thursday. Oh, on Thursday. Mm-hmm. Here we go. How you feeling, Sierra? Leave me out of this one. I'm ready. Does the baby talk make you nerve?

Just, I feel nothing. Do a quiz? I feel nothing. I feel nothing. Have you had any I feel nothing. I feel nothing. I feel nothing. Have you had any, and you can tell me to shut the fuck up and I'm in business, but have you had any anal spasms yet? No, I haven't.

And I remember you talking about yours and I've been waiting for that day. I've been waiting. Don't wait, don't wait. I think I was sitting in this chair when I got a call from Natalie. You probably were. Really?

And she sounded like something was very wrong. Something was very wrong. I feel like your anal should not spasm. Oh man. River said. River grabbed me by the fucking throat. I was like, call your doctor. She's like, something's wrong. I don't know what I'm saying.

Call your doctor. And then a couple of texts later, it's like, oh, it's anal spanisms. And honestly, I was like, thank God. And you were just sitting here, like, keeping your composure, like. I mean, you get to a certain point where all you care about is her and your baby's well-being

and you're happy that, you know, your soon-to-be-wife's ass hole is just spasming. That the baby's not falling out through it. It took me to the ground. You know, we're all tied, we're tied. Speaking of pregnancy. Gypsy Rose. Gypsy Rose is pregnant, continues to be so.

Continues. That's a way to say it. With Ken, we're pretty sure, so is Ryan. Ryan is also pretty sure as well. Ryan says, guys, I don't know if she's pregnant or if the baby is his. I hope that's not true. But if, guys, I don't know if she's pregnant or if the baby is his. I hope that's not true. But if it is, I can't do anything about

what he hopes and what's not true. That the baby's his. Well, it was kind of open-ended that either the baby is, like that she's pregnant or that the baby's his. I mean, listen, he has the right to feel a certain way about this experience. I feel like at this point, short of

doing the same thing again, I have unlimited empathy for Gypsy, kind of. Right, other than, you know what I'm saying? Like, she just, she deserves some grace, you know? She does. She just got out of prison, she doesn't know what it's like to be an adult in a, in society. She was given no rights as a human being,

her mom took that away. Prison was more freedom than anything else. She's gonna fuck up a little bit. She's gonna get messy. I think she's allowed. I will say she's found herself in a messy predicament. So there's TikTokers pointing this out right now, specifically TinySparksVixen on TikTok posted saying that,

in Louisiana, you can't divorce while pregnant. You can or can't? You can't. You can't divorce while pregnant. Oh, or can't? You can't. You can't divorce while pregnant. Oh geez. And. Those southern states have some old school rules that have not been updated.

This is the crazy part. Whoever you're legally married to becomes the father on the birth certificate. So because she's married to Ryan. No matter what or can you contest? No matter what. And because she's married to Ryan, but she's having a baby with Ken,

Ryan is the one that gets on the birth certificate. And so then she's gonna have to go through DNA testing to prove that it's Ken's baby to be able to get Ryan's name taken off the birth certificate. Paper. But honestly, if she's like, that's just too much, we don't need, that poor child's gonna have to be like,

okay, so this is what happened. She would also be like, okay, so lifetime, here we go, episode one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's kind of effective though. Literally before, during, and after. It's going to be season two. Did we see her on Keeping Up with the Kardashians? Yes.

So she was on Keeping Up with the Kardashians this week. It was kind of a nothing burger. It was awkward, I'm sorry. I was so excited. Me too. And then it was just kind of, yeah, not much there. But imagine how cool that was for Gypsy. Oh, so excited. Me too. And then it was just kinda, yeah, not much there. But imagine how cool that was for Gypsy. Oh, so cool, yeah.

It's like, do you remember when Addison Rae was hanging out with Kourtney Kardashian and we were all like, what the fuck? Yeah. And we were like best friends. Gypsy's first year out of prison, it's like gets highlights, meets a Kardashian, goes on a press tour, has a baby.

Like, it's like literally the first year. Do you think she's communicating with Kim? Do you think they have text messages? Do you think they're in contact? I'm sure now. Who do you think Gypsy reached out to to tell people she was pregnant? I feel like it was Lifetime.

I think Chris reached out to them. You think? Yeah. Chris the momager? I feel like it'd be Kim because Kim's all like the legal. True. Yeah, but once they met, like, do you think they? Like who stays in contact?

But yeah, I wonder if they keep in contact. Bernie Holmes is also pregnant. Congratulations. Yes, congratulations with baby number three. Love that for them. And Red Box DVD kiosk rentals are officially shutting down. This is kind of heartbreaking. I didn't know they were still in business.

I thought they were just... What? No, I thought the boxes, you know, when you move into a house sometimes, like I've done this before, like I probably would still do it if you weren't like living with me and my wife, but like there was always like a box or two that we would just like, the junk box, and you just like throw it in a corner, you forget it was there until you'd move again like a year or two later.

Because then the junk box becomes decoration. Yeah, you're just like, oh it's just a box. And I just thought the red boxes I still saw like gas stations and grocery store across this great land were just like- National monuments. They no longer worked because no one had a DVD player, but they just like forgot to take them out and they were just there as like, you know,

an old payphone, you know, that was like there as like a more of a historical piece. That's kind of what I thought they were. Like a photo walk. Yeah. People are like, Yeah. Next to my Redbox.

Yes, remember that? You know, it's crazy. Also what's even more crazy is I didn't realize that Redbox was owned by the good people who made Chicken Soup for the Soul. That's actually so wild to me and I had no idea. I don't understand the correlation. What was Chicken Soup for the Soul?

I just know it was a big thing. It was like self-help books for kids, but it was like people, real kids would write in, or adults, there was ones for adults too, but people would write in and they would make a compilation of books based off of themes of like love, friendship. It's self-help, right?

But it's like us figuring out who we are as people and feeling like we can relate to other people in the world. It was actually cute. They were doing way too much with those books because my mom's a psychologist and she had like 50 copies, but each copy was different. The easiest thing was to rent a movie from Redbox and the hardest thing was to return the movie to Redbox.

Hardest thing. Yeah, I remember back in the day where you people, like there was always like a movie from Redbox, and the hardest thing was to return the movie to Redbox. Hardest thing. Yeah, remember back in the day where you, people, like there was always like a news story where someone owes like $4,000 for unreturned video because they would charge you whatever $5 a day or something like that. And then finally, Bachbluster's like, that's nuts. We'll just charge you for the cost of the movie.

Makes way more sense. Yeah, but like, yeah, but back in the day when I used to go to Value Video and they only had one copy of say, you know, like, you know, Father of the Bride. Value Video. Value Video. This was a Midwest thing though, now.

I think he's saying Value Video. You're saying Value or Valley? Well, it's probably both. We had a Value Video. Value Video. Did you have Blockbuster as well? Sure, but before Blockbuster and Hollywood Video really- Before Blockbuster. Yeah, sorry. Before Blockbuster as well? Sure, but before Blockbuster and Hollywood video really. Before Blockbuster.

Yeah, sorry. Before Blockbuster became like a thing thing. Some people remember and they had like one copy or maybe two of the new releases and you have to show up every day or call in and then you'd have to like be like, hey, but like, can you go look in the return box? And when it was in the return box,

it was the greatest fucking day of all time because it was like Destiny lined up. And it was your day to watch Father of the Bride Part Two or whatever it was. And then finally a blockbuster was like, no, this is childish, we're just gonna get like, 50 copies of the new releases or whatever. This is like renting a movie at a hotel.

I mean, I kind of miss those days. Like if you don't know the charm that is on a Saturday night to be like, you know what, should we just like rent a movie? And you'd go to the grocery store, maybe get a snack. Maybe you just get like, I don't know what it is, like a Panera bread bowl or something. I don't know, your favorite candy. And you'd peruse around Blockbuster for a good 20 minutes,

and you would decide on a movie. If two plus two equals four. The bread bowl is your candy, noted. Have you ever had a bread bowl? Do you even know what I'm talking about? You don't even know what I'm talking about. Yes, no, we did that. We had Blockbuster as a kid.

Blockbuster, yeah, yeah. I love Blockbuster. We had Blockbuster, and I remember Redbox, and I remember Netflix when that's when you had the physical movies from Netflix. Netflix was DVD only. Only, I remember allbuster and I remember Redbox and I remember Netflix when that's when you had to order movies from Netflix. Netflix was DVD only. I remember all of that. I will say people don't rent movies at hotels, do they?

Like I thought that was just for pornos. No, no. Like I thought that's all you rent in a hotel. You would go to a hotel and you would rent a movie. You see Mario Lopez being like, in this series of like, what are you like? No, I've bitched about this before, but hotels not having Netflix, Hulu, why don't we have all the apps?

Like, I don't want to scroll the guide. And Nick's like, this is the best part about staring at a hotel is you watch these old movies. With commercials. With commercials. And you have to start midway through. I honestly miss that. I miss like doing like some like chores,

you know, vacuuming the carpet and turning on TNT and then Shawshank Redemption or The Fugitive is on. And it's like- And it's playing every- Yeah, and it's like right in the middle and like you just, and you finish wherever you start, you know, and like there was something about the movie being on TV.

You go on Netflix and you're scrolling, you're watching what I watch, I don't know, you have this unlimited options, what do I watch? And you see the fugitive, like, ah, fuck that, or whatever, Shawshank, when I, I've seen that before. But when you would turn on the TV, and it was on TV, there'd be something about, ooh, fugitive is on, or whatever, or it's just like, Legally Blonde,

or whatever your rewatchable is, your favorite movie. It was like, oh, shit, and you would have to finish it. No, you know what you do is you start it in the middle because you have to start it at whatever time you turn on the TV, and then it plays again right after, and so you just watch the beginning. No, see, y'all are crazy. I'm with Natalie on this one.

Like, I think you hacked the system. Hotels should have streaming. They definitely should. A lot of them do. But I do agree, but no, the streaming in hotels is like you have to Comcast to do it to your phone. It's super annoying, yeah, for sure. It's an extra step.

But I also don't wanna sign in to all of my stuff on Hotel, because I won't sign out. I think it signs you out when you check out. You think, but you don't know. Sometimes in Airbnbs though, they don't sign out and it's like, thank you, Ashley. Thank you so much. You can also log out online from any device.

Speaking of hotels, there was this viral IG video this week and it went viral and it's basically of this husband and wife that after a few hours of being at the hotel room, the wife's clothes, makeup, towels was all over the room. That's us. And he was like, my wife is the movement. Wait, like she made a mess? Or she was like unpacking and cleaning your clothes up? The hotel room was her mess, basically. There was makeup everywhere, all over the counters. It was clothes all over the floors.

Listen, that's just being a girl. She moved in. When Nellie and I enter a hotel room, 10 minutes later, it looks like a tornado went through. Are you unpacking when you get to a hotel? It's a little bit of both. Are you eye-hanging things up, folding things? No, it's chaos. I have just started doing that

and I think that is a sign of growing up. Yeah, I unpack. It doesn't mean that the room doesn't get messy. But I unpack, it makes me feel good. It does. And put my suitcases away. Oh man. I'm a mature adult and then by day two,

it looks like I have to be in that hotel room for 10 days. That's what I was gonna say. I feel like, how long though are you in the hotel? Yeah, yeah, if it's just a weekend thing, I'm not unpacking. But yeah, if it's just a weekend thing, I'm not unpacking. But yeah, if it is like a week, I'm gonna get my shit out. A week?

What about five days? What the fuck is the difference? Two more days. Two more days. I'd probably leave it, yeah. I unpack no matter what. I never unpack. No matter how long you're there. No matter how long I'm there. You never?

Yeah, cause I used to do it out of the suitcase and then it's just like everything is messy, can't find anything, so it gets 10 times messier. It's wrinkled and now I'm like, oh fuck, now I need to call down for a steamer. Do I have time? Like now when everything is organized, I know exactly what I need to do, when I need to wear it, when I want to wear it because I can see it. Thank you, Natalie.

The only thing that comes out of my suitcase is the toiletry bag. The skincare. Just my toothbrush. I will say I've noticed on Summer House every weekend they unpack their bags. Like they pull their clothes out of the dresser. Do you think they're like leaving anything there? Like for sure. Do you think it's B-roll or do you think they just, there's a bunch of OCD cast members? Or maybe productions are the one unpacking it for them.

Right, like maybe somebody else is doing it. I doubt it though. Well, Jesse Solomon came out and said he was fired from his finance job because of filming reality TV. Great. And now he's an influencer. He basically said there's a lot of finance job because of filming reality TV. Great.

And now he's an influencer. He basically said, there's a lot of compliance and governance that goes into that. I'm just on TV getting drunk, hooking up with chicks. So probably bad look for the firm. Well, he's not wrong.

Self-aware. Also like, he can always become a finance bro. True. It is a scary time where like, he went to school and he had a real job and probably paid a pretty decent living, got this opportunity and then at what point do you decide to go for it?

I think you have to go for it if you're Jesse. I think he's gonna end up being better off because now he's an influencer and I'm sure he's making way more money. In the short term for sure. The question with fame and this type of success, it's not am I gonna be okay for next year or two? Jesse, for next year or two is gonna be great, you know?

But like five years from now, I don't know how old Jesse is, he's a man operating in a woman's world right now, filming and being a reality TV star. And how does he keep that sustainable? I'm sure he'll look into starting his own venture and his own business and things like that, but like five years from now after he's become used

to like being the celebrity and walking into hotels and bars and becoming famous and doing things he's never done before for money, I don't mean like weird things, but there's like campaigns and then what if happens, you know, Summer House, who knows, like next season could be its last season. It's been how long has it been on? How many more seasons can these adults you know go to the Hamptons and fuck around maybe a lot more

Maybe I don't know. Yeah, I don't know Hollywood's a risk so to speak right is it there's it's not a long-. It's kind of like, it's a what have you done for me lately? You just gotta figure it out. You have to be adaptive. It can be scary. It makes me think of Whitney Rose. Her husband got fired because of a scene they filmed on season two.

What was he doing? It was risky. They were like- Body painting. Naked-ish painting. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, what was he do for work? He was in like the finance business world. So basically he got fired and then he had a contract

with his job that he couldn't work for another firm for four years. So he couldn't even work. So then Whitney Rose became the breadwinner. You know what's kind of crazy though? And it makes sense. The premise I'm guessing is why these people losing their job is just like,

hey, you're managing people's money and they need to know their money's safe and they can't feel like their money's safe when you're body painting each other or you're having sex with girls in hot tubs. But everything we've ever learned about Wall Street bros and like the movies like Wolf of Wall Street is these people who are managing your money,

whether you see it on TV or not, are foul, disgusting, frat boy. They will like go to Tijuana and do the craziest fucking shit, you know, all the drugs, sex sex and rock and roll. And it's just like, what, what we know this is happening. You're going to get a happy ending. Yeah. Like everything we've ever learned about people on Wall Street is that they're fucking crazy.

You know, it's also crazy is when you like go to college with someone or like you've gone to high school with them and like you've seen them be like party animals. And then they're a doctor. No, now they're married. And I'm like, I could not get my like- Doctors. Stitches done by you. People on Wall Street.

They're some of the craziest motherfuckers. Like you're opening people up and doing surgery and I have seen some shit. That's so true. Yeah. So I don't know, why are we firing these people? We know you're nuts. Jesse getting it on the hot tub and having a little bit of booze,

does that make him bad with money? I also don't think he did anything crazy on Summer House. Maybe it was all the like, yeah, she's married and all. I do remember. I mean, I know, but if you were like, let's say you gave your retirement money to some firm and they're like, yeah, so anyways, your new rep is Jesse Solomon. And you were like, you know, let's say you gave your retirement money to like some firm and they're like, yeah, so anyways,

your new rep is Jesse Solomon. You're like, who is this guy? It's like, I saw this fucking, you're watching it, your girlfriend, or maybe you, you're watching, you know, it's just like, wait, isn't that guy managed my money? You know, it's just like- I would want to pay him for the record.

Would you think your money, do you think it's being invested? It's just like, you know, would you run to make sure that he's not all like buying dog coin? I would brag, I'd be like, he's managing my money. Yeah, no, but you think about this too. Like it happens a lot on The Bachelor also where like they're teachers or they're, you know,

and it's like now you're seeing them on The Bachelor. Teachers on The Bachelor or Bachelorette is like, I would not be thrilled for my children's teachers. What if you saw Rivers teacher on your reality TV show? I would be a little uncomfortable with that. What about Daisy though? Daisy was a teacher. If I saw her on TV, I'd be like, that's my teacher.

I guess it just depends. Depends how you act. It really just depends. But also, even if you're Daisy and the sweetest person, but my kid is no longer gonna get the education that they need, they're a distraction at that point. You don't want your kid kids teachers to be a celebrity. They're like, what age?

Like kindergarten to maybe third grade. My principal in middle school was on Survivor and it was like the coolest thing ever. Talk of the town. Talk of the fucking town. Did you guys ever get any homework done? Did we get homework done? Yeah.

We did? Yeah, but when she would come into your classroom, like before it'd be like, oh no, principal. And then it would be like, hey, tell them it's not everyday. That's what I'm saying. I just feel like. It's giving super nanny.

Like the nanny that's famous on TV. Like I wouldn't want her to be my nanny. My friend's therapist went on Survivor, like left like being like, sorry, I can't do any more sessions right now. And then she saw her on Survivor and was like, yeah, I don't think I'll be signing up for any more sessions.

Exactly, yeah. No, I mean, yeah, I don't think I'll be setting up for any more sessions. Exactly. Yeah. No, I mean, listen, like we watch reality TV to snark, judge and feel better about ourselves. And I say this as someone who's been snarked and judged on and people have felt better about themselves watching me on television. It is what it is. And that is the downside of being around TV star. There's a lot of upsides.

On the flip side, Olivia Flowers was also fired, but she was fired basically because she moved closer to her parents and she got a new boyfriend out of Charleston. Okay, well good luck, Olivia. Yeah. Yeah. Wait, that's kind of sad. It's sad. I kind of liked her.

No, she's a very sweet girl, but not committed to the bit. Once she did her G.D. with us and then basically she said, like, I wanted to have a season where I could be myself. And by G.D. you meant going deeper, not general diploma. No. When she got her GD with us. I guess the producers or whatever when they called her was saying that because she was spending so much time outside of Charleston that she's not actually hanging out and being

a part of the group. So she's in Texas, her family just moved down there and her boyfriend I think is there as well. So she's just not, they're like, you're not really a part of the group. So we're going to have to like write you in or figure out where you fit. So it just doesn't make sense. Where she was like, if I had known that, I would have spent more time in Charleston.

Wait, is that what she said? Yeah. Yeah. Well, why didn't she? She didn't know. She wasn't even given a heads up. She said that the producers called her and were like... Shouldn't she have known? Yeah.

Well... Well, I feel like she didn't think that they were judging her choices based off of where she wants to spend her off time. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. And how many seasons has she been on? That's exactly... that they were judging her choices based off of where she wants to spend her off time. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle, you know what I'm saying? And how many seasons has she been on?

That's exactly. Two? She's only been on for two seasons. She's not like a mainstay. Her biggest drama was the mainstay. No, no, no, no, her last season. No, she was a mainstay. I'm saying she was only on for two seasons,

so she doesn't have all of the knowledge of what I need to do when I'm on this reality show to stay and maintain the reality show. I'm guessing the reality is that she was on the chopping block, so to speak. She was under consideration for the producers to think, is this something I really want back, right? And I'm guessing it's like a half truth that she received. It's probably true that she hasn't been spending

a lot of time in Charleston and she has this boyfriend. I think her having the boyfriend who, and then maybe the question was, does this boyfriend want to come on, or how involved does he want to be? And maybe she said no, right? And it's just kind of like, well, what are we gonna get out of this person?

And instead of letting her know, I'm saying that like, Jesse, right? Jesse left his job, he's probably all in. He's probably talking to producers like, hey, I want to be a part of next season, what is my storyline? He's probably crafting ideas, like, hey, I wanna be a part of next season. What is my storyline? He's probably crafting ideas. He's leaning into the job.

He's treating it like a job, as opposed to maybe Olivia was just like, you know, this isn't my whole life. And listen, I respect it as a human being. She doesn't necessarily wanna be a full on reality TV star, but if you're a producer, you're just kinda like, eh. And I'm just saying, she shoulda known, if she really wanted to be a reality TV star, but if you're a producer, you're just kinda like, eh, you know? And I'm just saying, like, she shoulda known, if she really wanted to be a reality TV star,

you kinda have to lean in, you have to make it your life, you know, and she didn't do that, and they were probably like, yeah, we can do better. What do you think Lindsay Hubbard's boyfriend is gonna do? Well, Lindsay Hubbard is not the same as Olivia. Lindsay Hubbard is a mainstay, she is a star, she is a professional, she's committed. Olivia is a mainstay. She is a star. She is a professional.

She's committed. Olivia is a mainstay. She was offered two seasons. But she was a main cast member. Yeah. I understand. I'm not saying she wasn't a main cast member. I'm not saying she was a friend.

I'm just saying she's new. When you're new, you're not guaranteed eight seasons as if like, oh, well now you've been on, you know, like new also might mean that like, it didn't really work. We tried, we failed, hire quickly, fire faster, you know, like new also might mean that like, it didn't really work. We tried, we failed, hire quickly, fire faster, you know, like they're not gonna lean into her character. Lindsay Hubbard is like the OG of Summer House.

I mean, she fucking casted West on the show. She is now pregnant. She doesn't need her boyfriend. She is fully committed to this job. She's gonna save her pregnancy announcement for when everyone else is talking about Summer House and they're filming, you know what I'm saying? And meanwhile, Olivia probably has like,

well, I'm not gonna do that. And I have these boundaries. And again, protecting my mental health, which again, as a human, I respect. But as a TV star. Well, I mean, her boyfriend is a doctor who works in biotech investing. Lindsay Hubbard is, so I don't feel like

he will be showing his face on Summer House. I hope he doesn't, yeah. And I respect that. And I don't think he needs to and I think Lindsay will be just fine. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I don't think it's a different situation between like why they would let Olivia go. And maybe Taylor was like, it's her or me? Do you think that was possible?

I also think, yeah, maybe it's cause she has the boundaries with filming with Taylor, Austin and her dated. So I'm like, I feel like, who are you hanging out with? Craig's probably off with Paige like Yeah, it is interesting though because Olivia was the main drama like one of the main dramas and for her to just be like kicked off It's like hmm. Yeah, but to Sierra's point if like who is she gonna film if she's just like I'm done with this I'm no longer talking. It's just kind of like alright Well, it's kind of like this past season of EPR as well where it's like how long are we gonna drag on the Scandival?

Storyline and not have anything new to add to it So it's like is Olivia's only storyline that I don't want to be around Austin and Taylor or even New Jersey Melissa and Teresa Melissa and Teresa retired. Yeah, but speaking of hot messes, Real Housewives of Orange County came back This season is gonna be so messy. So good I will say I've tried watching this in the past and I just could never Like to be blamed it was just too white for me. But this season was like good. Like this season was really good, the first episode.

It was a good first episode. And I haven't seen any other seasons and I feel like they do a really good job, like catching people up who are coming in for the first time. Like, I don't wanna explain it, but it was a little bit different from Housewives of Jersey where I like started and I needed Justin to make me a PowerPoint of who was who.

And this I was kind of okay. I kind of understood what was happening. Orange County's good. Shannon's had a tough year. Shannon's had a tough year. I mean, definitely her fault to start with, DUI, definitely she needs to take responsibility. Has she really taken responsibility?

She went to rehab and Yeah. And she's like apologized publicly. Did she go to rehab? She did like a program and did a community service. An online course. But yeah, that's the whole thing that's going on right now is that she claimed to be going sober or whatever when all this stuff came out and she's very much still drinking.

I mean, that video of the hit and run was wild. Do you remember that when she runs into like a movie theater? On her poor dog. It was a house. It was a house, yeah. It was a hit and run. And. Do you remember that? When she runs into like a movie theater and- And her poor dog. No, it's a house. House, yeah. It was a hit and run. And then she, what did she do? And then she like started walking her dog right after.

She gets out and starts walking down the street with her dog and acted like she was just taking her dog for a walk that was in my car. That's fucking crazy. That's delusional. I mean, it does look like this season they're gonna be grilling her. But then her boyfriend leaves her after DUI

and is now dating one of her co-stars. Alexis. Alexis. That's, now that's, that's tough. And this, allegedly, according to Shannon, that this now person that's dating her ex sued her in the past. And she lost like $300,000 in legal fees. It's very messy.

It's so. Alexis sued her? Alexis. Alexis' husband. But like Shannon, the whole thing is. But Alexis is no longer with her husband. Her husband sued Shannon. But Shannon's like, you need to pay me. Well, she doesn't explicitly say this, but she implies like, I need my $300,000 back.

Are you gonna pay it back? And she was like, absolutely not. But why would she have to pay it back? Why did she lose? Shannon's claiming that Alexis had her signature on like the legal papers. It was like her husband sued them for defamation. She sued, he sued Shannon for defamation. She sued

He sued Shannon and Tamra. I will say this is the hundredth season of Housewives So OC was the very first housewife season or franchise to exist and this is the hundredth season of all franchises How did why did he win $300,000? Dollars I just know that the legal I think she's saying all of her legal fees and everything Yeah, plus what she had to pay out or whatever and it said I lost $300,000 in that legal case so like you I need that money back How rich is Alexis's ex? Orange County is kind of fuck you rich

Well, if you're that rich you can kind of sue someone even if you don't have a case into like poverty just by legal Yeah, I keep being and yeah true. Well well I think Shannon's more irritated that that's her like he's dating her ex. She's more concerned about that. We're pulling something out to make it seem like I have a legitimate reason but really I'm upset about it. It's the ex-boyfriend that's now gonna be around in group settings. There's a line that everybody is quoting right now where it's Alexis going there's the door Shannon be a door. Be a door.

There's the door Shannon be a door. But yep, oh true. Tamara doesn't care about tattoos. You have a question, Lea, is River allowed to get tattoos like today? That's actually Justin's question today. This is my question. So no, so basically Tamara went with her daughter

to get a tattoo and she said, as long as it's not on your face, then we're good. How old's her daughter? 18. Listen, I think I'll just show River all of my tattoos that look like shit and say, is this what you want? Because if I would have waited and if I would have done the like,

listen, I would just go into any tattoo shop on the corner of some strip mall and be like, this is what I want. And it was thick, busted, crooked, not good tattoos. Which one do you regret? Several of them. I regret. So just imagine it like a teardrop, whatever it is, on Riverspace. We just, she has to get a tattoo at 18

that's not that bad that she eventually regrets. I was gonna say, I feel like neither one of you could tell your daughter that she's not allowed to get a tattoo. I mean, I'm not gonna tell, like, when, I was raised in a family, obviously we had, I mean, I had 10 siblings, I have 10 siblings, my parents raised 11 kids, and so, like, when I turned 18, I got a handshake and a good luck. I'm slightly exaggerating, but, like, my parents

stopped parenting me because they had other things to do. But I also, I'm just, you know, I don't know what, like, the world's gonna be like in 18 years, I hope we're still here and have a country to live in. But I, yeah, listen, I'm just, you know, I don't know what the world's gonna be like in 18 years. I hope we're still here and have a country to live in. But I, yeah, listen, I'm a big believer that when you're an adult, you're an adult. And when River's 18, I hope we have done a good enough job

in the next 18 years to give her agency and the ability to make decisions, make mistakes, learn from them, you know? Eventually, you can't just, you can't tell your kid what to do and not to do all the time. And when there's 15, 16, 17 years old, you can't do that. Usually, you get the opposite fucking result.

So I wanna tell River that, yeah, at the end of the day, it's your choice, but here's, you know, I wanna give her the options of what might happen. And I want her to, it's like, you know, I'm gonna manipulate. I'm gonna manipulate her into thinking, yeah, I want her to, it's like, I'm gonna manipulate. I'm gonna manipulate her into thinking, I want her to value herself so much that when it comes to making these permanent decisions,

it's just like, well, let's see what happens. Yeah, my dad was very like, you will not get tattoos, you will not do this, you will not do that, and I used a fake ID at 17 and got a tattoo, so. Well, that's what I was gonna say, I was like, especially there's always like, bad things that happen while you're in junior high and high school where it's like, everybody's getting their nose pierced.

And infinity, the cool mom's getting the tattoo, whatever. The trick is, you let them, in a way, you make them feel like they can decide to do whatever they want and give them all these choices and then give them all the list of potential consequences and rewards that could happen. It's like a game of like, hey, do you wanna play this dangerous game

that if you get it wrong, you'll never be able to take back and then I'll be like, decide. I know, I think. And she'll be like, you know what, I'm fine, I'm good. Dad, it's fine, let's go get ice cream. You know, some version of that. I think of all the girlies that have like, mustaches tattooed on their fingers from 2016.

No, the infinity. When everyone got the infinity. She'll do that, that's fine. I'm just saying it's one of those dumb things where it's like, if you waited, if only you waited, you'd not. I'm just praying to the sweet baby Jesus Lord above that she does not get the back tattoo.

What if the back said, I heart daddy? Oh my God. No, oh my God. She's like, no, I got it for you, dad. My friend has a, but I love him daddy from like Little Mermaid tattooed on his ass, but I'm like, what if? That would be a sad day for Dad.

That would be a sad day for Dad. I don't, the tramp stamp, ugh. The butterfly. It's tough. I wanted that, I wanted a fairy on my lower back. I did too. And then I wasn't old enough, so I got a belly button piercing. It is.

I'll clarify, I was saying back tattoo, not tramp stamp. But also we can just give her a fake tattoo and she can be like, do you like, you know, like wear this for a couple, we can renew it. Henna. As soon as it starts to fade away, let's just give it, you can get another one, another henna. Nowadays the temporary tattoos look like real tattoos anyway.

They have those ephemeral tattoos that are supposed to last two years, but apparently are lasting way longer. Oh my God. They do last longer, yeah. Really? We have so many options. And when River turns, and when River gets to that age, in 18 years, imagine what we're gonna have.

It's gonna be crazy. Just think about it. Honestly, probably real tattoos won't even exist because it would be like I can have this for five years or forever. I'm gonna go for five years You know and not have to get laser removal. Yeah, I need to get laser removal on multiple of mine. I think they're fine Paradise is back. Yes. Thank God. Well, we hope it was an absolute dumpster fire of a tragic season last year It was worthy of canceling last season. It was.

I don't know what happened. It was boring. We didn't care, give a shit about the characters, the relationships were fake and phony. It was an absolute trash bag of a season. Yeah, it was. They took any year off. I think if this season of Love Island

has shown us anything, it's how important casting is. Sure. Because this season was better than any other season, in my opinion, even of UK. Like this was a great season, and I think it has everything to do with the cast. Well, Bachelor in Paradise, obviously they pull from their season.

Do you think they should still do that? Well, I think that the last two seasons, I think that Jen has some men on her season who could be good candidates for drama. I mean, they all could be good. So who do we want casted? And then Joey's had great, I think they need to not go from current season

or I think they need to pull from like, Oh geez. The archives. Yes, the archives. I think they've done a little bit of that all already. I think there needs to be some sort of change in the formula. I think overall, I think there needs to be some sort of change in the formula. I think overall, I think Bachelor in Paradise

almost would do themselves a service by forgetting that the word Bachelor is in front of the name of the show. And they have to stop trying so hard to have it be, have its Bachelor vibes. And they have to stop bringing down Tanner and Jade, who I love, and start being like, see, it can really work here. We don being like, see, it can really work here.

We don't give a fuck if it can really work here. We just want messy, and we want back and forth, and we want comedy and drama. And if people end up together, great, but don't force three engagements. You know? That are just gonna break off in two weeks. Give me one, fine.

If there is a relationship to be had there, let's cultivate that relationship and let's see if it works. But these forced engagements, you know, knowing that it's just basically a business transaction between these couples, hoping that they can like get enough like followers and deals, you know, some of them might work out. There's been a lot of good relationships

that have come from Bachelor in Paradise, but like, I just, I think too many of these cast people are too afraid to be messy, and I don't know, they do, they need to bring in some ringers, and ringers that are protected. Yeah. Because, and then by protected, I mean like somehow, like it's, you know, as we see on Love Island,

the OG cast, the cast that shows up first, it's very high school. They have to bring in people that either are already kind of famous from different seasons, half clout. Bringing in the hottie that no one cares about, and they need to be really a charmer. They can't be this tall, awkward, and good looking. Well, I think too, like something about Love Island

that's great is like, there has been so much drama and recoupling and like there really hasn't been a couple that has been together since day one. Other than Kayla and Erin, but they've had their like, crazy moments and they broke up and they got back together and like, I don't know, I feel like Bachelor and Paradise, sometimes they like lock down day one or like they know who they're gonna come in and get with

and then they just stay together the whole time. And there's no like drama. Yeah, because too many of these cast members know who's going and you know, it's just like they just pick from the, who has the most followers and they, I don't know the solution, but they need to figure out from a casting standpoint

how to, yeah, how to fight against the characters editing themselves or coming in with a plan and being disingenuous. And it's, you know, the way the show is set up right now, it's so cookie cutter and it works for the bachelorette and it works for the bachelor, you know, like their formula of these group dates and the one-on-ones and having 25 men date one woman,

that still works or vice versa. But Bachelor in Paradise, well now that you have Perfect Match and Love Island, you have all these other very similar style shows doing way more and having way more dynamic people and conversations and authenticity, they gotta mix it up. Otherwise it's just gonna fall flat and be stupid.

Where do they film Paradise? In Mexico. I think they need to ship them over to Fiji, let them drink some of the Fijian water, and I think it's like, there's the drama. Fiji water. Yeah, I don't know what it is they need to do something, because if they're just gonna like take a season off

and come out with the same formula, I don't know. It'll be a letdown for sure. Yeah. Do you feel like there's anything that they used to do in the past that they should bring back or do again? Because it used to be really good. Yeah, season three was awesome.

No, I just think back then there was less of, it was still early influencer days. When I did Bachelor in Paradise season three, Instagram stories didn't exist. You know what I'm saying? Like swipe ups. I think I made $1,500 in social media ads before I went on Bachelor in Paradise.

$1,500. I didn't show up to Bachelor in Paradise being like, all right, now I'm gonna be rich forever. You know what I'm saying? Like it was unclear what I was gonna be able to do with this. The people who showed up for Bachelor in Paradise kind of just showed up to make TV

and were like authentically in the moment and you had stars and other shows are still able to do that for whatever reason. Where Batshire in Paradise, you just have a bunch of people afraid to be themselves. And then I think also Batshire in Paradise, I think they also demonize their characters for doing nothing.

And so when you do that, then it's just like, you're really disincentivizing these people to do anything. You know? Like you're demonizing them for small fights, or like, you know, making it, you know, for talking to people offline. It's just crazy fucking shit. And then clearly we are seeing with these other shows,

you can have more authentic drama by being, I don't know, I don't know what these producers on Love Island or Perfect Match are doing versus Bachelor in Paradise. I've never been a producer on these shows. But like, you know, I think the people who used to make Bachelor in Paradise in its earlier days seem to have a formula

that for whatever reason has been lost on some of the newer people doing it. Because last season's product was dog shit. Yeah, I'm hopeful that between Joey's women and Jen's men, it'll be a good cast this season. And I'm hopeful that it'll be a good season. All right, that does it for Household Headlines. Up next, your favorite Bachelor character, Brett,

who you never knew. The Bachelor Nation is sad to have seen him go night one. He's here, coming up, we'll get to know him. How does he feel about what people think about him? Is he really the greatest guy of all time? Was he meant for Bachelor Nation? Does he deserve a chance back at Bachelor in Paradise? We'll find out next.

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How are you? Brett, how's it going? I'm fantastic, how are you guys? I'm doing well, where are you calling from? My office. What do you do for work? I guess I'm curious about- I'm an environmental health and safety manager.

Environmental health and safety manager. 13 and a half cents. So tell us about that, what is that like? It's a lot of regulatory stuff, so you know, like the guys that get made fun of for telling people to put their hard hats on, that's me. Oh, okay, how did you get into that line of work? So I actually went to school to be a history teacher

and perfect Brett fashion. I was told that I had to write a paper my freshman year that would take at least eight hours in the archives a week to write a half decent paper. And I played football and I'm like, I don't have that time nor do I wanna do it. I think I'm just gonna switch my major and here I am. Probably pays more.

Yes, it does. It does, which, you know, that's also a benefit and freshman Brett knew that as well. Do you always- You're looking out. Do you always talk in the third person? No, I don't know why I'm doing it right now. Well, you are a celebrity now, so.

Yeah, I guess so. I'm trying not to be in my head, so. Well, Bachelor Nation certainly fell in love with you, man, for night one, it was a brief stint. We'd love to know what was your experience like and were you surprised that you went home night one? It was a good experience. I mean, I'm happy with how it shook out.

A lot of people are treating me like I'm dead now. But, a lot of justice for Brett, we miss you. Like someone commented commented I can still hear his voice if I listen close enough like it was a good experience though like I have fun meeting everybody you know a lot of the guys are awesome Jen's amazing obviously obviously I'm not mad with how it shook out like I went into it like this is how it's gonna go and how it's gonna go if it goes positive for me and I'm there the whole way awesome. You know I was prepared for that

I was also prepared to go home to to say surprised. I don't know I really don't feel too surprised like you know I was tired for one It's a long. It's a long night. Yeah, it was it was man, and I was I was getting pretty tired The bed was calling my name. So I'm like, this is either going to be. In my bed at some point or, or bed here, but either way, let's get to it. But, um, you know, I wasn't full. How much time did you get to talk with Jen?

Night one, I probably got the same amount, just as much as anybody else. I got the fair shake. How do you feel like that went? I only asked because like the last time we had someone like yourself who went home night one. His name is grocery store Joe. He's made a bit of a name for himself after coming on. Yeah, he's a fantastic guy. Yeah, and leaving night one,

and I've gotten to know Joe, he's a good friend of mine, and a lot of people were like, how could this George Clooney look alike go home night one? And it turns out after talking to Joe, he was like, well, it was because he froze. Like he literally couldn't words out of his mouth. He was like, and then they were just like, sorry, man, we're making a TV show.

If you can't talk, you can't be here. Which is ultimately why he went home. It was like, there was an actual reason. It wasn't like, you know, it wasn't that Becca didn't care, you know, didn't want to get to know him. It was just more like he just choked is what he said. Like, do you feel like that, is that what happened to you? I think a lot of people were surprised

because when we saw all the list of men coming out, you seem to stand out amongst the rest of the men. And I don't even know how you feel about that. You know, you're, seem like a big strong guy. You played football. It seemed like a lot of people kind of attached themselves to liking you because you seem to not fit the more like, maybe six packed traditional mold

of a Batchwreck contestant. I don't know if you felt a certain way about that or if you were just happy to be there, but it did seem surprising, I think, for a lot of people in Bachelor Nation, where it's like, here's a different looking guy than they normally cast, which was a lot of people, I think people appreciated, a breath of fresh air,

and then all of a sudden it was night one and you're like, you're gone. And even if Jen was just like, I don't know, I'm not even vibing it, you know? There's a lot of leads who have not vibed with people, but they found a way to stick around for a couple weeks. So why do you think someone like yourself, who clearly you seem very charming,

you got a great beard, everyone likes a good beard, you got a good story, Like what the fuck, man? Why didn't you at least get to get a middle seat? Is that why you were like, this guy's not gonna fit in the middle seat all the way to Australia, we're gonna send him home. Was that- It might, dude, I'm telling you, it might be.

You know, I do not like flying. I don't. And on my way there, Oh shit. On my way there, I was cramped in this window seat and I, this poor guy that sat next to me, I straight up apologized. I was like, dude, I'm sorry for being large.

I had to pull my elbows in and everything. He said, as long as I can lay on you, we're cool. We became friends. I don't love flying. I would have done it, but I guess for the reason I went home, a lot of what the, as far as how the conversations go, I thought they were okay, but like I'm like, you know a lot of what the as far as like how the conversations go Like I thought they were okay But you know, like I said if if you saw us talking at a bar, you wouldn't look at us go like Wow

Sparks are flying man. Like this is crazy, you know, like sure those two are gonna are gonna get along She's an awesome girl and she has the right to choose you know if I'm in her, like I wouldn't want people questioning just because I have no right better than any of those other guys to deserve any special treatment or, you know, I'm representing my offensive lineman on on on the show for sure. Like Jason Kelsey has paved the way for me to be able to be here. There you go.

You're grateful for that, man. I don't deserve a special treatment just because of that. And I but you know, if the chemistry wasn't there, it wasn be here. There you go. I would be grateful for that man. I don't deserve a special treatment just because of that. But, you know, if the chemistry wasn't there, it wasn't there, and I'm not sour about it, you know? Well, you have a good heart, clearly very chime in and Mr. Humble. But I think, no one's mad, to be clear, no one is upset with Jen for sending you home

because it's a busy night, is someone who knows what it's like to be in her shoes. She doesn't remember any of you guys, other than maybe say two, you know? And so it's not that we're mad that Jen sent you home because I'll just say it, Jen didn't send you home, I just don't think Jen kept you, you know? As someone who knows how it works.

But I think we're just a little upset with maybe say, God, you know? And people who, you know, are godlike in that atmosphere for not being like, let's just keep this guy around and see what happens for a little bit longer. And I feel like we would have we would have you but the more we talk to you, the more we enjoy. Yeah, I mean, I'm I can't even be mad there either, you know, like in my in my eyes. So obviously, you found out at the end of the episode, immediately they're flying to Australia, right? I just said, I don't like flying.

If I was, can I swear on here? Oh, please. Yeah. Okay. Please, we're begging. If I'm in there and they're panning around everybody, I'm shitting my pants in that moment. Like I'm like, oh, you know, I would have, I would have got over it.

They could have sedated me and put me in the cargo and got me there. But like, I think it's probably better to go home from there than to go home from Australia. If you were gonna go home week two, then I think week one's a better option. Yeah, I mean, personally, I heard that news and I was like, ah, okay.

Yeah, no, you're a sensible man as well. This is the point where we're gonna need you to talk a little shit. You're like, oh, we'll see. If it's justified, I'll do it. I'm just asking you to be honest. I don't want you to talk shit for the talking, but I'm sure you got to know a lot of guys.

Not everyone's created equal. You seem like you're hearts in the right place. We can't say that about everyone who shows up at the house. Was there anyone there that you thought, and we understand that you only had one night, you didn't really get to know them, but was there anyone, and again,

we get shit wrong all the time, but that you thought, I don't know, maybe I'm surprised that he stuck around, or maybe he said something that was a little off putting. Anyone or are they all saints? I mean, definitely not everybody's a saint. Obviously you said it, I went home night one, thank you for reminding me.

I didn't get enough to meet, I like to think I'm a good judge of character, but I think you need more than one night. I think there's a lot of, personally a lot of than one night. I think there's a lot of, personally a lot of authentic guys there. I think there's a lot of guys with their heart in the right place. I think there's a lot of guys

that I would personally hang out with outside of, you know, the bachelorette and being there. You know, there are some personalities that are gonna clash and I don't have one that would have clashed in any of those moments until someone put me in a position where I feel like I need to do and that didn't have one that would have clashed in any of those moments until someone put me in a position where I feel like I needed to and that didn't happen.

I wish I could give you something, I can't. I liked them all, I liked all. And that might hurt going forward if someone does something that I'm like, ugh. Well, you wouldn't have known that, yeah. Yeah, yeah, okay. What is your take of Devin? I mean, you met him night one. I personally like Devin.

I think, like I got along with him well. And when I left, I wished him luck. Like I truly am rooting for him. I think his heart's in the right place. I think he's a personality that he can rub people the wrong way. And you probably, you could probably see a little bit of that.

But I think he's genuine with Jen. And I think he was genuine with us, but he's not going to give a shit if you, if you don't like the way he talks to you or about you, I think he's going to try and come from a good place and, but he's there for a reason. And I think his reason is to, is to, to come home with her. So while I think he means to come from a good place and be good, he's not going to care what happens after that.

But I liked him. I think he's fun. I think he's a good guy. But again, he's a little probably a little more cutthroat than some other people. Were you aware of the Brian car get out of this car situation that happened? Did you hear about that? Came in a little late to it. I was sitting on the couch and I overheard it. I heard I forget which one was telling the story,

but I got to overhear both sides of it. I didn't get myself involved in it. I heard, you know, we were all kind of laughing about it a little bit. I wasn't going to get myself involved in that because I'm like, I'm like, I'm too tired for this. I don't want to get involved in that. I understand why he's upset, for sure. I also, being an outsider to the situation, have an ability to find hilarious.

So not something I would have done. And there's a lot of people saying how Jeremy should have reacted to it. No one knows how they would react in that moment. That's a tough situation as a whole. Was he actually going around claiming it was his car? I, no, I don't think so. Okay.

Like what was your entrance, remind me again? Did you do anything? I was just on screen walking out of limo. You say you didn't do anything out of the box, you didn't bring anything, okay. Cause I was gonna say, if someone took your prop or your thing and was like Trying to use it. How would that make you feel if it was like a car?

I brought I guess I would be upset But if it was like a prop that are already used like if they were out there like throwing a football around it Just like a man enjoy I guess Yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't want to let someone get a rise out of me just for the hell of it. So I'm good again, I wasn't in a situation. So it's tough to say, um, I could have been like, you know, flipped out, but I would have probably just let it go. Well, Jen's loss is bachelor nation's gains. And now that you are an L are you an eligible bachelor? Are you still single? I am a single man. Okay, let's talk about your type.

I'm my type. I like someone definitely with a good sense of humor. I know that's a cop out, but I do really appreciate that. Um, someone that can laugh and doesn't take things too seriously. I think I just learned that. Like I, I don't take enough situations seriously. And I like to have someone who's the same, someone with a good hand on their shoulders

that knows what they want and can keep me in check when they need to. If I am not taking something serious enough, I can be like, hey, stop being an idiot. We'll focus in. But someone who's there is able to have fun and can roll with the punches. I have an idea.

I have an idea. I have an idea. Oh boy. You left early. We didn't get to see you. This show, especially lately, has really leaned into your tragic sob story. You were unable to give it yet. I'd love to give you the floor.

This is a one-on-one. You're talking to us. And does anyone want to play the role of Bachelorette? Can we hear your sob story, Brett? Whatever it is, give us your, maybe you have one, maybe you don't have one. Half of them make it up anyways. We'll play some music.

We will pull on the heartstrings. Who wants, you wanna play, Jen? I think I should play Jen. Who is wanna play, what, is this, is this role playing? I'm about Cierra. Cierra's playing Jen. Justin, you can, I'll play Jen.

Hell. Okay. Ooh, yeah, you've been in her position. Yeah, I was gonna say. You's playing Jen. Justin, you can, I'll play Jen. Hell. Oh yeah. You've been in her position. Yeah, I was gonna say. You know what she would say. I'd be like, oh my God, I love that. I'm like, tell me your story. All right. Well, we're on this date, Brett. And I'm really just happy you're here.

And this is so good. And it's really, I've really enjoyed our first day of running around and skipping. And it's just been a lot of fun. It's been great. There's just, there's a lot on my mind right now. Oh really? Like what?

She's got to get this off my chest that it's been hard for me ever since this happened. But when I was about five, I was playing Monopoly with my family and my mom just, she took all the houses that I had I earned them and that's really hard how did that make you feel it's it was tough it just I feel like it changed me to like she took him and I didn't I wasn't in the game anymore and I was having so much fun and I flipped the board and I walked away and

I got put in the timeout and that just... until you live something like that it's just... it's hard you know to find somebody that understands you for who you are and can understand a monopoly you don't always win every monopoly game and I feel like you should sometimes. I've never won either, Brett. I feel like you get me. I do. Ha ha! Now kiss.

What did that teach you about relationships? I love you. Thank you. Oh, you too. Yeah. Ha ha! That was beautiful. That was wonderful. That's it, yeah. That was great! That was beautiful. That was wonderful.

That's it, yeah. That was great. That was great. That was really nice. That was real. Yeah. That was real. I was on the edge of my seat.

Yeah. I didn't know where that was going. No. I was truly nervous. Yeah. I'm crying. Yeah. I actually did shave off my eyebrows in fifth grade though.

That is traumatic. That was, yeah. Oh. That changed you Get absolutely obliterated by everybody making fun of me and it was a day before picture day Like it. I'm smile honestly that that would be a great sad story. I accidentally shaved my Yeah, what made you I was I was 10 and I thought I unibrow. It was the next day, it was picture day, and I just covered my head in shaving cream.

And the funny thing is we had one bathroom in my house and it was my parents' master bedroom. And I walked past them, they didn't see it, and I shaved like I had this much left down here. Could you imagine if Brett had a one-on-one and came on and then everyone thought he was gonna sell some tragic story and he told this story about shaving his eyebrows in his hilarious way.

Refreshing. Relatable. I'm glad we could bring that to Bachelor Nation because I feel like that was stolen from us, Brett. And they grew back amazing. Yeah, you have amazing eyebrows. They came in pretty thick. Have you been using a serum or do you have a code? Yeah, do you have a code?

Yeah, yeah. Your teeth are pretty white too. I was gonna say. Thank you. Thank you, I brush them out of the field. And you use the teeth whitening, you can click the link. They recently announced that Bachelor in Paradise is coming back, Brett.

It's a no brainer, you must go. Is it, yeah, are we willing to go? Is the door open at least? The door is open. The door opened when my friends were, cause I've never watched it. I'll be honest. Um, they explained to me that you can drink beer, wear swim trunks and you're on

a beach and I was like, that's pretty fun. All right. I mean, that's the door open when that was set, it would have to feel right for me, honestly, like I, it would have to feel like a right situation and like, I would have to feel good about going. Like I wouldn't go just to make, you know know people that want me to go on they're happy but it's it's not something I would say yes to right away it's not something I would say no to right away but the door is open are your DMs open yeah but there

are a lot of DMs that was a lot because like I like to consider myself a rather like I enjoy my privacy and I completely sabotage that. Like my phone is buzzing constantly and there are some women that are rather, I would say straightforward and aggressive. Have you been sent any nudes? No, no they've been classy. Okay, good. They've been classy.

Yeah. Well it is ABC Disney so, you know, it's fans that are awesome. I wanna be appreciative to all those people, they've been classy. Yeah. They've been good. Well I, Nick and I are awesome. I wanna be appreciative to all those people that have been classy. Yeah. I'm good. Well, Nick and I are together because I DM'd him.

So you could find your future wife. Goes down to the DMs. Mother of your children in your DMs. Oh. Just saying. Well, some of them definitely not from the way they speak. Well, what is, like, can we get an example? Like, what are some? Yeah, can you read us a DM?

I am not going to oh Not reveal. I don't know if I want this person messaging me again. This is the thing I don't want to say in the place that specific Yeah, well yeah, I was they basically said that they were there to comfort me any way possible in their own words Anyway anyway, I said that Anything you need yeah, yeah, I just said thank you so very much You responded I I did one I wanted her to know that I saw it. Oh my god Stop, I wasn't interested, but I also wanted to be like hey

God's watching. You can't send this type of stuff to people. You made me uncomfortable. I had to recover from this. I'm setting a boundary. Yeah, I'll pray for you. Are you a big Baltimore Ravens fan? I am. I'm a Baltimore guy. So huge Ravens, tutorials.

Do you think they can get over the hump? I hope so. I mean, I'm rocking Baltimore guy. So huge, huge ravens, huge Orioles. Do you think they can get over the hump? I hope so. I mean, I'm rocking with them either way, but yeah, it would be nice for our family to have something to be happy about. I was saying, should we leave and let you talk football? No, no. Nick is a huge Packer fan, and if he could,

this entire podcast would be about Packers. I've been getting a lot of like, in one of my Instagram pictures, I'm wearing a Reggie White jersey, because I wanted the whole fame and I love Reggie White. Hell yeah. And I've been getting a lot of like, in one of my Instagram pictures, I'm wearing a Reggie White jersey, because I wanted the whole fame and I love Reggie White. Hell yeah. And I've been getting a lot of people reaching out like about my Packers fandom.

I'm like, well, I'm also wearing a Raven jersey. No one's complimenting that. I saw Lamar Jackson at the ESPYs. He said hi. Did you? I met him once. Really? I was working an internship and I said,

what's up? He remembered you. He said, what's happening? He said, not much. He was like, I'm gonna be famous someday. That's awesome. Best friend. Brett, you're a delight. We really appreciate you taking the time.

Best of luck on anything you do in the future. We certainly hope to see you in Bachelor in Paradise. I know we have to wait at least a year for that, but all truly the best to you. You seem like a great sport. We are sad that you didn't get to stay on longer, but thank you for taking the time. Of course, thanks for having me on.

Our pleasure, take care. Bye. We'll see ya, thank you. What a delightful human. Yeah, he was adorable. I really am confused as to why, like why they couldn't find a spa for him. Yeah, that is weird.

Like bring up, can we bring up the men, can we bring up the men that are still there? Yes, to what you said last week, where you said that like still there? Yes, to what you said last week, where you said that the producers oftentimes will... The Bachelorette keeps people they want. They don't send people they don't like home because they don't know them very long. And so, yeah, it's more people are kept.

Rarely people are sent home. People are sent home when it's clear that they're like pointing out cameras and just like... Like a liability. They're just like, yeah, they're just not there to embrace the experiment, you know? And it's, you know, if you're constantly like,

you know, before you meet producers saying, don't trust anyone, it's just like, that's not the point of this whole thing. Right. And there's always one or two people every season that act that way. Brett doesn't seem like that type of guy. Right, well, he seemed very like, you put him on the spot and he like was awesome. There's always one or two people every season that act that way. Brett doesn't seem like that type of guy.

Right, well he seemed very like, you put him on the spot and he like was awesome. Charming, funny guy. I feel like we should get into Bachelorette right now and I feel like I need to say Noah, or Aaron, if you're watching. You're a terrible brother. You, I don't know what you did,

but I think you could have done something differently. You're a terrible brother. If you're watching, you, I don't know what you did, but I think you could have done something differently. You're a terrible brother. You, why is Aaron acting the way he is? I don't hate him. He has a brother, he has a brother who's been through it. He knows that he's not gonna come off good. I think him compared to Devon though, I would say that he's the better card.

What? What? Maybe this is a hot take, No. But Devon to me is doing too much. He's doing, wait. No, no. First time, second time, okay. Third time, but Devon to me is doing too much. He's doing way too much. First time, second time, okay.

Third time, I'm like, girl, sit it down. Let someone else have a chance. Okay, Aaron going up to him and being like, what did he say, babe? He's known Devon for two seconds. Dylan. Dylan? He doesn't even know his name.

He calls him Dylan. He's calling him Dylan. He is just condescendingly telling him how wrong he is for Jen, who by the way, he doesn't fucking know at all. Second day. Second day. Doesn't know him, doesn't know Jen.

Doesn't know Jen. The important thing is he doesn't know Jen. And here is this guy who thinks he is entitled enough to start going around the house telling other people what Jen wants. My favorite line was first he was like, I just can't stop thinking about Devin. And then he goes up to Devin, he says,

when I said I feel like you lack depth to be with a girl like Jen, I mean that out of love. Yeah, that was wild. Excuse me. No, it's condescending. It definitely is. I just feel like they, it's condescending. It definitely is. I just feel like they're both being condescending to each other.

Yeah, but Devon is responding to Erin. Eventually at some point, if you're gonna be a guy who's just like, all right, fuck it, I don't know, man. And I can say most people are just nervous and they're afraid of doing anything and they don't wanna be disliked and blah, blah, blah. And then you always have a couple guys like Devon who you know, who like don't care, who aren't

afraid, who are gonna be like, all right, well, am I supposed to get to know someone or am I supposed to get to know someone? So I'm gonna get up and I'm gonna go talk to her. And then all of a sudden, like all these other guys, they have a problem with that, you know. Jen was literally sitting by herself and that happens all the time, by the way, while, who's the guy? Thomas. Thomas. Went up to him and grabbed his arm and pulled.

Said nothing to Jen. Nothing. Said, I'm so sorry, Jen, I'm gonna take him for, please excuse us, he just said, you come with me. He's going home next night. I already know. Ah, absolutely. If that doesn't scream Napoleon Syndrome,

I don't know what does. I think this happens every single season of, no, no, no, of the group date and someone taking her, and I feel like when it doesn't happen, and this, I don't remember exactly the Bachelorette, but it was like, we're on a group date, and no one's pulling me. Why is no one pulling me?

We're on a group date. Why does no one wanna talk to each other? Because they all wanna bro out. They all wanna, they don't wanna ruffle feathers. Are you talking about Claire Crawley? Was it Claire? It's every season. It happened on my season.

Maria did it to Joey too. It happens every fucking season. But then all the, everyone gets mad. How dare you? It's a group date. Why would you take her? Why would you take him? Why would you take her away on a group date?

That's what you're supposed to do. I think it's fine once. It was the fact that he did it like four times that I was like, let someone else have a chance. But even when he said he'd respect their time, he didn't say, I'm gonna go last or I'm gonna go, he could still have a conversation and then be like, I'm not gonna pull her again.

I will say. I'll respect your time. I will say, no, no, I will say the group date, absolutely valid, take her, go get your ice cream, do what you gotta do, whatever. He did say when they all got back, he said, listen, I won't fall to the back of the line, but I'll let y'all go. That's what he said.

And maybe we can get actual quotes. We were actually discussing, we were debating this last night. Did he say he won't go first? I thought he said, I'll respect your time. I heard, I won't fall to the back of the line, but I'll let y'all go. Okay.

Let's get exact. That's kind of all semantics. But he went, he did. Sure. He went first. And he went so first. So fast. So fast.

He gave no one and he was standing right next to her and immediately when they cheers, he said, can I take you? No one had a shot. No one had a split second. I will say this as facts because I've been there before. The person who goes first is almost always, without question, unless other people intervene

by other people and people say running the show, the person who goes first is always the person who's interrupted first, who gets the least amount of time. So one could argue he was simply just gonna get it out of his way. I understand it's not how it's gonna go across, but just because you say, I'm gonna let you have your time, yes, it was definitely the move

that was gonna piss people off the most. But the show is about fighting for her love and making her the center of attention. So I'm like, you can't get mad because you guys are all focusing on respecting each other. And yeah, get your time. I really liked that Jen said too, is that like, she was like,

you guys are making decisions for me. Yeah. Like, why are you having a, like, she was like, you guys are making decisions for me. Yeah. Like why are you having a, like why are you all making a pact that the men who got sent home from the second group date get to go first? Yeah, it's her show. Like I'm the backstreet, this is my journey to find love. Maybe it's just like, honestly there's a reason why

I sent you all home. Yeah. Granted she didn't, but you know. That was the nature of the date. It's like tough. And she gets to pick. It's not a, it's yes. These guys don't get to decide who gets time

and who does what. The, I honestly think Devin's biggest sin, his biggest egregious offense is constantly saying how much he's obsessed with ice cream while eating gelato. It is a big sign. It says gelato. Can we talk about the difference? Anyone shut up about how well he's obsessed with ice cream while eating gelato. It is a big sign, it says gelato. Can we talk about the difference? Anyone shut up about how much he's obsessed with ice cream. Now in defense to Devin, I honestly don't know

if I know if I'm eating gelato or custard or frozen yogurt or ice cream. And honestly, what is the difference? There is a difference. I know there's a difference. Gelato has eggs in it, doesn't it? But do you taste the difference? Do you know, could you blind taste test

the difference between custard, ice cream, or gelato? I think I could, absolutely. That's him. I think that there's a goes without saying that you guys deserve a little bit more. Those other guys had their... He did not, he said he wouldn't go first. He said I'm not gonna look a little bit more.

He said I'm not gonna look a little bit more. Back of the line, okay, but you're gonna go first? Yes. No, he basically said, what he was saying is he was like, I'm gonna let you all have time. Yeah. But he never said that he wasn't gonna take time. Well, he said more.

I think more is very specific, because he's acknowledging that like, I've had all this, you guys have had nothing. And he's just like, I wanna go first, I'm gonna get it out of the way, and you guys have the rest of the night. He couldn't wait to get his time though. Honestly though too, it's like, it's up to you guys.

Like, I'm gonna take her, I'm gonna go have a chat. And like- I think we're all just kind of arguing the same thing. It's semantics, but the real point is, and I think we're all in agreement, is these other guys are just soft and they're worrying more about fairness. And like, you ladies are in the room. Like, is it really, how attractive it is

to see all these guys just like talking about fair and being too afraid to grab Jen and just be like And then when when what's his name? Who is the guy who grabbed? When he was just like trying to explain himself to Jen he looked like the biggest fucking idiot Cuz it's just like it was a dick and when it was you but he when he said We got back and we didn't get to him in the gym, and he said we would get our time and then he pulled your face in, it's not fair.

And then the fight between- I hate when it's like, it's not fair. Devin and Erin? Yeah, where he's like, he's like putting his drink down. I'm telling you. He's like, I'm gonna fight you. It's like- Because I would win.

It's like, okay. I would have sent all four of them home. Yeah, there was nothing more cringe, there was nothing more cringe than Erin and Devin stealing her back to back to back to back to back while the ice cream is melting. Like what? Yeah, so childish.

That was just, yeah. It's like do you not? I mean at that point, Devin's mistake is he should have let it go. He should have allowed. Like the ice cream that never needed to happen. My question is about should have allowed. Like the ice cream. That never needed to happen. My question is about the book.

I liked the ice cream. Did he bring the book with him to read for himself? Did he bring the book knowing he was gonna hand it off and have a moment? He was petty for that. That was so random to me. Something to note is that Noah, Noah was on Tasha's season. Tasha's season was also Claire's season.

Okay, okay. So very kind of weird trunasha's season. Tasha's season was also Claire's season. So very kind of weird truncated season. Noah came in late. Like it was the only season where they kind of like love island it, where they brought in bombshell. He like, Noah was essentially a bombshell. Like he was, him and like, it's like when Tasha came in, they brought in some new ringers, so to speak.

And Noah was like kind of the only one of the guys that like stuck around. And it's probably because, and this might explain some of Aaron's antics or maybe why Noah gave him, I can only assume terrible advice, is that Noah came in, it was a pretty big personality early on. He made his mark early on and he kind of had to do that because he came in mid-season. Do you think Aaron came in with a book on, what was it, it was called Principles for Self-Growth. Do you think he came in with this book,

Principles for Self-Growth, because Noah was given a book on emotional intelligence by Bennett on Tasha's season? Was he? Yes. Maybe. But I guarantee he- That's so corny.

Here, look look look. You know i'll call it a war gift more of a gentlemanly gift i think i remember you i i'd like to explain it to you perhaps maybe i open and go go through what you prefer you open it. It is for you that is that is a proper way to give a gift. It is for you, that is a proper way to give a gift. He wrapped it in everything. So yeah, now that I'm watching this and being reminded of this, so Aaron is basically playing Bennett, like why? I don't understand.

Yeah, that is weird. It's corny. What's helpful to you is this book on emotional intelligence. Wait, that is so weird. There are actually four components of emotional intelligence. One is self-aware. So like this is all campy, like why did they do this? Leia has a point, I think it was like Aaron

before coming to the Bachelor, it was like, let's have a bit, and that was his bit, so he probably had that prepared. Yeah, but no one remembers this shit from five fucking years ago. Leia did. And it would be, no, well, it would be one thing if Noah gave the book, but because someone like,

tried to belittle Noah and give him a book on emotional intelligence, why would his brother then like play on that and do it to someone else? It's ridiculous. It's corny, it's cheesy. It's really weird. Yeah, why does he come in?

I don't understand. He saw it backfire on Bennett and then he did it. You know who's not here for Jen? Erin. Yep. Like, cause if you here for Jen? Aaron. Yep. Like, if you either, one or two things happened. He came in with a bit, he already knew, him and Noah were like, this would be funny,

this happened to me, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Or this happened in real time, talking to producers, and Aaron was like, hey, my brother, this happened to my brother, you should guys go buy this book, and they were in Australia, and someone went, you know, they sent out a handler, and they went out and bought the book earlier in the day and they came back and did this thing.

Either way, clearly Aaron is there to fuck around and not take it all that serious and it's just campy and it's like, I don't know, a callback from five seasons ago. I guess he did start the drama that we're all talking about but I guess Devin did us a favor, right? He was willing to not be afraid of criticism and go for Jen and he pissed off plenty of guys,

not just Aaron. I honestly find the whole Aaron ante, and now that I know about this book, it makes it even more disingenuous. Like, what are you there for? It's like week two and he's like tattletaling already. Like honestly, your twin brother actually got engaged. And that's why I don't, from a producer standpoint,

understand it because they love to bring in the happy couples to show you like this could actually work. And so the twin brother of one of their success stories is coming in and doing bits. Yeah, that's weird. It was very weird and it just felt to me like everybody was self-conscious about their own connection with Jen

or they just couldn't figure out how to stand out from the crowd. And so they're angry at Devin because he's doing a good job of it. Devin is like, he's making individual time with Jen. He's having individual conversations. He hasn't had a one-on-one, but he's had more time with her than anyone else other than the people

who did get a one-on-one. Yeah, and honestly, he seems like a nice guy. You know, he seems like an affable, fun guy. Doesn't take himself that seriously. And like these guys, there's nothing that I find more irritating is the guys who are insecure and too afraid to just go up to talk to someone will say things like,

you don't have good character. Like, well they don't know a fucking thing about this Devin guy. And that's, you know, I mean, it just reeks of insecurity, these guys who are so willing to, you know, it's fine. Say, you're like, I wouldn't have done that. You know, not for me. But to sit there and start to degrade

these people's characters because they did something you don't like to do, bad character, please. What did they do? You know who does have good chemistry? Sam and Jen. Jen wants to. Him saying, you bother me and her being like, I bother you, and then making out.

Can I tell you, I watched it with Connor last night. He was like, I knew exactly what he meant when he said that. And she goes, how do you think that she figured that bothered meant that? And I go, hot and bothered, babe, hot and bothered. But it was hot. Jen loves him. No, it was hot.

Yeah. He's got sex appeal. He definitely has sex appeal. He's kind of giving a little Tyler Cameron in like the way that he talks. The way that he talks. Yeah. The way that he talks and the way that like, I feel like.

I mean, he is your prototypical bachelorette contestant. Yeah. And the winner is. Do you know who else I think is also standing out from the crowd? Grant. Yeah, I like Grant. Grant was cute.

I like Grant a lot. I like Grant because he is unbothered. He's clearly confident in himself. He's the only guy, at least, that we got to see amongst that group that went into Devon, like, oh man, you're good. I kind of respect it. Yeah.

And like, I wouldn't have done that because like honestly, clearly you're getting yelled at, but like, doesn't bother me. Exactly. Like, Grant could not be the least bit bothered by the amount of time that Devin is getting. And if you're bothered by it, then there's a reason why you are single and alone.

A nice surprise, Marcus. Loved him, loved the date. Only problem, I loved the fact that he opened up about war. I feel like that's extremely rare for veterans. You know, my brother served in the Navy and I feel like it's extremely rare for them to open up. And so I'm like, I feel so grateful that he did. I wish Jen would have thanked him for his service. I just feel like that's something you do. And the fact that he like opened up about being in Afghanistan and all of this terrible things happening.

And I just wish he would have been like, you know what, thank you for sharing and thank you for your service. I just feel like it would have gone a long way. Yeah, I mean, maybe she said it and they didn't air it, but like, yeah. That's a mistake if they didn't air it. I would agree, but great date.

I have a question though about the date. Do you get to decide what dates you're going on? Like you don't get to- Who's the you? The bachelor or the bachelorette. Like do they run them by you? Because she seemed like the last thing in the whole world she ever wanted to do was go skydiving.

Oh, as far as the dates itself, those were planned months in advance. But don't they run it by her? Like are you comfortable with it? Really? Do you have a fear of heights perhaps? Then they're gonna do it especially. More so?

Like Hakeem with the spiders. But keep in mind, they're making a TV show. For example, skydiving, they don't whip that up. They move fast on that show, but there's safety meetings and things like that. Again, how this shit works outside of filming in LA, when they go to a destination, they have like an advanced team, they'll send producers to these destination weeks in advance, they'll scout the area,

they'll meet with the local tourism board, you're like what's cool to do around here yada yada yada, right? And then maybe there's a skydiving thing and then they'll you know they'll decide what what you know what kind of dates they can do you know maybe they have some backup plans right? But these things have to happen you know in advance you know they're filming do. Maybe they have some backup plans, right? But these things have to happen in advance. They're filming a TV show, they have to make sure that they're cast and people are safe and things like that. As far as who goes on what's date,

I think it's again, it's collaboration between the lead and the producers. It doesn't matter if you go on the first, as far as you're the lead, it doesn't really matter if you take someone on the first date or what the sixth date right the first You know because after after six dates then you start going you know that some people start getting a second one-on-one and things like that So really it comes down to after after night one

It's kind of like our who your top people right that can change over time so you start kind of penciling in people It's oh, it's not for coincidence the guy who was a sky dot, you know, here you go You have Jen Fred of Heights you You have the army ranger, very much not. Imagine the army ranger who is literally a hero, an American hero who has served this country, fought in wars and has a man strapped to his back. I was about to say that, yeah. You know he's jumped out of.

What am I doing? You know? So funny. But here he is obviously there to like make Jen feel more comfortable. Like there's a method to the madness, right? To set the tone. Sometimes the first date,

like I always remember one of the, a long time ago, one of the head producers told me that they use the first impression rose or the first date to make their villains often, right? Because you put a target on someone's back. Does it always work that way? Not necessarily, right?

But so usually when someone gets early attention, they don't know how to handle it. And that can happen with the first impression rows or the group date rows. Sometimes it's different. On my season, like, you know, Danielle had the first one-on-one. You know, that was not for me. That was more for them.

She had a very obviously sad, compelling story. I think they wanted to kick things off strong with that story. So there's a lot of, you know, and obviously he's a very likable character. He's a literal hero. I could see him being your next bachelor. Yeah.

Or maybe there's- I thought he was great. You know, sometimes with the lead, sometimes after night one, they're kind of like, oh, so who do you like? They're like, I don't know, I'm a little nervous, right? And so maybe I like this person. So they'll move some people to the front

because they want their lead to like really get to know the people they're like. So there's a bunch of different reasons why it happens and it's a collaboration between who the lead actually likes. They're the people who are gonna get the one-on-ones. It does matter. They're not just gonna make them go on with anyone, but whether they go on the first one-on-one

or the fourth one-on-one, it doesn't really matter. So they're always gonna try to fit what makes the most sense. If someone really likes someone really, like the fact that he's the first one-on-one tells me that he's not Jen's number one. Probably it's Sam, right? So Sam's probably gonna one-on-one week four, week five.

So would anyone go skydiving? No. Hell yeah. I would do it. Yeah, I probably would. I think I'd say I would and then I would crack back out. I wouldn't, I wouldn't, didn't we just see this somewhere? I wouldn't bungee jump. Where did we see that?

I feel like we saw skydiving and not bungee jumping. Rob, no, but it was on Love Island. Yeah, I wouldn't bungee jump. Bungee jumping is scary, I've never done that. I don't wanna be upside down. I would do anything. By my feet, like hell, like you're in like disconnected joints.

It also feels very differently. Skydiving, if you haven't done it, you know, like what, perpetual motion? What is it? Not perpetual motion. Centrifugal motion? I don't know, we're not scientists here. But the Newton's law, once a-

The force. Once a- A body in motion tends to stay in motion. Right, so if you're in an airplane already going 200 miles per hour, when you jump out of the plane, you're still, your body is already at a speed of however fast it's going.

So it's just a change of direction. So that sense of falling that you feel when you jump out of a skydive or you bungee jump, it's because your body goes from zero to 100 in a second. That's why you get that feeling of your stomach dropping because your stomach's still up here while your body's down here. You don't feel that when you're skydiving because you're already in motion. Most people feel like when they're skydiving, you're already in motion. Most people feel like when they're skydiving there's going to be the sense of falling like you do off a roller coaster, does not feel like a roller coaster. What it feels like is you stood up in a convertible. It's not scary at all. It's actually so cool. And then when the chute opens up, it's even cooler because then you're Peter Pan floating in the sky. It doesn't even feel like you're moving. You're

just like standing in the sky. It's so cool. It's terrifying. It looks absolutely terrifying. Final thoughts about the Bachelorette before we get into Love Island. It's same as every season, but I'm holding on. Period. I don't think we've seen the last of the Devon, Aaron. I do think Thomas A is going home next episode. Probably.

Sam M is definitely making it to Ennis and Sweets. I will say, just because I've said it before and I'll say it again, I love Hakeem and I hope he goes all the way. Same. Can you imagine if Hakeem wins? I don't think he's going to. No, he's not.

He won't, but I hope he goes as far as he can because he's the best. His facials. Him saying like I'm scared of spiders, but why? She was like he's doing too much. So like I think she's already weirded out by him. He was doing just the right amount. You think so? I do. Are you afraid of spiders, but why? She was like, he's doing too much. So like, I think she's already weirded out by him. He was doing just the right amount. You think so?

I do. Are you afraid of spiders? Yeah. Oh yeah. And how would you want your man to handle spiders? I would have found that funny. Okay. Also, you can always just take a vacuum and vacuum up a spider.

There's no middle ground. I don't want a Rob who's putting spiders on his face. And I don't want somebody that's like, ah, okay, would you rather a Rob who's putting spiders on his face and I don't want somebody that's like, ah, okay, would you rather a Rob who's gonna like have a pet spider or Hakim who's scared of spiders? I'm down for Rob. Rob.

I could play with it too. Oh. A spider shouldn't be a pet. A spider with a snake. Yeah, a spider definitely should not be a pet. I think it could be fun if we're both screaming, but at the end of the day, I do need you to kill it and or remove it from the vicinity.

Well, he did hold it in the end. That's true. He did it. Like, I think it could be fun for us to be like, ah, on the couch, like both screaming together and then, all right, get the fuck down. Now you do it. Now go kill that thing. But like, I don't need to be like, no, no, no, you hold it.

Like, I don't need to be pressured into holding any sort of insects, bugs or amphibians. I was gonna say, Rob wouldn't let you kill a spider. No, he would not. No, he would add it to the collection. But he would also make me hold it. Yeah, he'd be like, hey girl. He would make me, he would be like,

if you want, yeah, if you want me to get rid of it, I first have, you have to put it in your mouth, and I'm not doing that. Speaking of Love Island. We need to talk about Erin. Let's talk about Erin. Let's talk about Erin. Erin's the villain of the season.

I finally figured it out. Despite having a cast that we all love and adore, and I think what makes this show so great is that we get so many episodes that there's less editing, and you see the good and bad of everyone. They're multi-layered. They're not siloed into characters because of limited time

like you see in so many other shows like the one we just talked about. And you almost really didn't have a villain you know because there's you have people you root for it's just like this is the person I relate to the most but Aaron is a secret villain and I think it's I think finding out he is 27 years old was alarming to me and now that I know he's 27 years old I get very frustrated watching Aaron. I also think the fact that he's been on TV. Matters. Matters, yeah.

And the fact that it was traitors. I think. And he won. And he won. So you're, and the fact that his first time on a reality TV show was a show about gamesmanship and winning money and being deceitful. It's funny because like Peter, we watched Peter Weber dominate on traders, right?

And I think because, and even though Peter was very calculated, seemed to be very good at it, I didn't watch Peter on traders and think to myself, oh, I'm seeing this different side of Peter. It makes me question how authentic he was as the bachelor or on the bachelorette. I didn't think that at all and I don't think that's would be accurate to say. That being said, because his first time on

reality TV was in the bachelor world and I think you're wherever whatever universe you start on kind of like that's how you that's the world you grow up in. Those are kind of like the rules and lessons in the fandom that you get most familiar with, right? But because Aaron's first time on reality TV was Traders, I think that that does something we have to take into account. Not because it makes him evil or Machiavellian. If for nothing else that Aaron thinks this is all a game.

When you go in Bachelor world, even if you are there for followers or whatever, you are trained to lead with your emotions, to be your most authentic self, to stop worrying about the outside and just feel, man. And that is what's ingrained in you by your peers, by fans, and by producers. And so with that mentality, you're more likely to be your most authentic self. If you're first in design Big Brother or Survivor or all these shows that have more,

they talk about the gamesmanship of it all, like Aaron is trying to win money. And I feel like Aaron's willing to do or say anything to win money. And I think it's at the demise of Kahler's feelings. And I kind of think it's so fucked up. And I think it's at the demise of Kahler's feelings. And I kinda think it's so fucked up and I think there is zero chance. I think there's 100% chance they leave in a relationship

and that Kahler has every intention of trying to make a go of this relationship. Erin talks about it and I think there's 100% chance that he's gonna break her heart. And I can't wait for the time we get to talk to Kahler on the show to talk about how it all went down. But it's almost a certainty. I mean, first of all, the guy lives in London,

in the UK or wherever. And what was it, last Friday or whatever? I mean, I get it. I mean, Kayla, she's youngish, she's 22. But Kayla, you gotta stop saying things like, I can't be mad at you and you know that. She was literally telling the guy that you can do this again.

When you know you can get away with something, I don't care who you are, as a human being, when you know that if you take the cookie, and then eventually you're just gonna get a slap on the wrist, you're gonna take the cookie. You just are. And Kayla is literally saying that next time you find yourself in a compromised situation,

that time you're out at the clubs, you leave Love Island, you go back to the UK, you're famous, they bring you out and there's a couple of girlies who are giving you attention and all of a sudden you find one that you find really pretty, you have a few drinks and someone's like, just kiss me, kiss me, kiss me. He's gonna do it. He is going to do it. Do you think he had, or do you think they've showed us that he told her he was on Traders? That's a good question. Do we know? We haven't seen any footage of him.

I don't know if Love Island would air him talking about being on another show. It is Peacock. The one he was on isn't though, cause Tr Yeah, the one he was on isn't though, because Traders, the one he was on, I know we saw our Traders is like it's a celebrities, but my understanding is that- Oh, I think it was mentioned to the cast in episode one.

It was, okay. I think so. That's interesting. I mean, I don't think that's gonna make Kailer not date him, but it is an interesting note. But I think the fact that like, and just so you know, again, Aaron wasn't on Celebrity Traders. I think Traders, when it first came out,

was just, like, Special Forces used to be out, they're on their 20th season, even though it's their second season in America. And now when it's on Fox, it's always a bunch of public figures or celebrities or former athletes or things like that. But in the UK, Traders, the original series, it seems like it was, they would just cast people

like the Bachelor or Bachelorette, if I'm right. And then it sounds like Erin was also, what else was it, Yana? Another dating show? Did you do the dating show before Traders? No, Traders was his first one, I believe, and then it was the dating show. But I'm also kind of like, it's like A plus B equals C.

Like I'm doing the show about strategy and manipulation for a cash prize. I don't know if the dating show is for a cash prize, but now this is like strategy, stick with this girl that's going to forgive me no matter what and maybe walk away with $100,000. Because he could also be the one that's first time in maybe US history to be like, I'm going to keep the money for myself because he has the option. I think they have the option to do that. I don't think he would do that, because I think he does care about people like him, and I don't think he's like some evil Machiavellian person that's like, I don't think he's thinking to himself,

I'm gonna screw over Kailer when it comes to the end. I think that's only the woman that gets the option though, to be honest. Oh, interesting. I just think he is clearly, and when he talks, it sounds like a 14 year old boy talking. I can't, I mean, I am blown away every time he opens up his mouth,

and I hear, and I know that he's 27 years old. His prancing around like him, When he talks, it sounds like a 14-year-old boy talking. I am blown away every time he opens up his mouth and I know that he's 27 years old. His prancing around, him and Rob setting it up, it's just, I don't know. You have a point. Him storming away from movie night and then throwing his mic and then running out, that was very childish.

It's just like he lacked any emotional depth. His whole thing was, it was very like Tom Sandoval. A lot of people are comparing Rob and Aaron to Tom and Tom. I think it's a bit, I think Rob's an all right guy. I think he's a, who knows? Katie on After Sun specifically said that Aaron was like Schwartz.

And that her relationship, Katie's relationship is similar to what Katie was going through. I think she's more like Sandoval. I think Katie has a unique perspective of being the one. She doesn't know Aaron. No, sure, but I think she sees the same qualities. She said, I mean, I essentially married my Aaron,

let me be a cautionary tale. And what are the similarities? So she wasn't super specific. But I think it's the mousing, the saying what you need to do to get out of a situation, but not being genuine. Yeah, the telling Kayla he loves her. Yeah, and the seashell necklace.

Like it's the stuff, like he knows how to seashell necklace. That gives Tom Sandoval. Like getting upset. To me it's Schwartz. It's a ring on a string. Schwartz for sure. Schwartz with the dog. Really?

Yeah. Schwartz with the dog. Schwartz with the dog. Yeah. It's a ring on a dog. Schwartz with the dog. Yeah, it's like, yeah. It's just like every time he fucks up, he like knows that he's gonna win her back. And like, you can even see it in this episode

where like they have a side by side going on where Aaron is telling Rob how he's gonna ask Kailer to be his girlfriend and he has this whole dinner plan, he's gonna do a poem. Meanwhile, Kailer is talking to the girls about how she's gonna ask Kayla to be his girlfriend and he has this whole dinner plan, he's gonna do a poem. Meanwhile, Kayla is talking to the girls about how she's gonna wait until the outside

and she doesn't think that they should get into a relationship in the villa. And then the second he asks her, she's putty in his hand, as Katie says. Yeah, he just gives me, I think bad vibes is too strong. I'm sure Aaron's a swell, charming guy, and in person, he's probably his affable self, but I think he is very emotionally immature.

And he is fucking with Kahler's feelings, whether he believes he is or not. And I'm sad for Kahler, because you know that when she gets out of the villa, she's gonna hear from all her friends all the shit that she didn't find out on movie night. And then she's still gonna forgive him, she is. And they're gonna continue to date,

and he's gonna go back to London. When Aaron, even like that was last night, when he goes like, I hope, he said something like, I hope I can make her happy in the real world, and he kinda gave like a, you could even tell he didn't believe it. He gave like, he kind of gave like a, like a, I don't know what the look he gave, but he knew,

he knew that when he goes back home, there's a 0% chance this is gonna work out. I don't think he likes her that much, by the way he treats her. We got to see what he would do with four days away from her knowing he's gonna see her again after four days being what? Three houses down the street. What do you think? She's gonna he's gonna do when he gets to London on camera Like that's what I was gonna say knowing she'd see the footage, you know

Like I don't I don't think that he's planning on moving to well, actually, I don't know. I don't want to say anything I don't know. I did think it was cute that Rob helped with the dinner. I I don't know. I did think it was cute that Rob helped with the dinner. I really sweet. I like Rob. That was brownie points in my eyes. I like Rob. Rob's a good friend.

And he's like, like Cassie said last week, he kind of, he gives good advice. Better advice than like, I think we- Would expect. Would expect. Yeah. Can I ask, does anybody feel like- He doesn't leave people on.

But does he disassociate when he's like sitting, talking to Danielle? Oh, 100%. I'm like, the way that he's like sitting talking to Danielle? Oh, 100%. The way that he just like stares out into space while she's talking and has to say zero words back to her and he's just like... He does not care. He's not fluff. You can call him aloof and kind of a dick and maybe standoffish, but he doesn't seem

to be the type of guy who's going to tell a girl what she wants to hear. Clearly Rob knows how to get laid. He's got the riz, he's making out every fucking night and it's always like weirdly like one of these things where like next day even, maybe it's just a bad kisser has a bad breath, I don't know. But there doesn't seem to be like a strong connection. It's like, yeah, that was fun to make out with Rob.

You know, and like, he just, he seems again, to be the type of guy who doesn't need to lead anyone on. If anything, he you know? And like, he just, he seems again, to be the type of guy who doesn't need to lead anyone on. If anything, he might even be saying like, I don't know, I'm probably not your guy, but that was fun, you know? And like- People are saying that they've recognized

or they've seen this handshake that Aaron does with Kailor and then Aaron did with Daniela. Yeah. They've seen it before on Traders. Check this out. Check this out. Oh. Is this the same handshake? Yeah, it probably seen it before on traders check this out check this out Is this the same handshake?

Yeah, he probably does this with everyone he probably does so she's just one of the bros the pinky link kiss thing But as he said that's just It's just lost in it. Oh he friendzoned her Like she's just another bro in his eyes Yeah, this is something he does all the time and which wouldn't be a problem except that he sells it to these women as unique. He made Kailer feel as if it was special and if he made it up with her just for her

and they had this thing and it was just them. I don't think Rob would do that. Do you? I don't think Rob, like Rob is just... Rob is childish too though, I will say. Sure, nah, Rob is just, he just does it. Rob is childish too though, I will say. Sure, nah. Like when he rolls his eyes every two seconds

and the girl, keep those in the back. I don't think Rob and Erin are gonna stay friends. No, probably not. Well, maybe. I think for a while, you know, when you become friends with someone in a reality TV bubble, you will know if they're actually friends, if you're still friends a year after getting out of filming.

Because it's like, when you make friends in that world, whether you realize it or not, it's for self preservation. You need friends, you know what I'm saying? Like part of making friends in the closest is the intensity and the bond and the things that you go through. And like- It's like an affirmation that you went through that.

Yeah, and then when you get out, and then sometimes you become friends or become, you know, like, it's a little bit more in Bachelor Nation. Bachelor Nation, very clicky. You have like the house, which I always say is the bully, and then you just went through that. Yeah, and then when you get out, and then sometimes you become friends, or become, you know, like, it's a little bit more in bachelor nation. Bachelor nation, very cliquey. You have like the house, which I always say is the bully, and then you have some outsiders,

and then people are just like, well, you can't be friends with them. And then after the dust settles, and people kind of go their separate ways, like a lot of times people stay friends for relevancy. You know, they do the TikTok dances together, and things like that. And when that all goes away,

if you still get a call, if you're still planning trips a year after the fact, then you know you have something real. A good moment I liked of Rob too, was Rob and Leah talking and kind of reconciling their differences. I thought it was actually a really sweet, mature moment. I was so hoping they were gonna get back together.

Rob's sister was like a TikTok somewhere and she's team Leah and Rob she's Team Lea and Rob. I'm Team Lea and Rob. I think if they get back together, they will win. Why? Because. That would make me so disappointed in Love Island fan base.

I kind of like Lea and Miguel. I like them. How is it not Cordell and Serena? Duh. They're the only people that actually look like they have a thing. Yeah. But Rob and Lea are like that classic like. Sure they're hot, they have a thing. Yeah, but Rob and Leah are like that classic, like.

Sure they're hot, they look good together. No, no, they're like the lovers. But like is it classic or toxic? No, they're like, they've been separated, but they've secretly still loved each other this whole time. There's no love at all in this relationship whatsoever. I do think they're gonna get back together, but I think Janaye and Kenny are gonna win.

Oh, I do love Janaye and Kenny too. No, I think Serena and Cordell should win. Because Kane said so? Well, Kane said so, but a lot of people online are siding with Janae and Kenny. They have an unproblematic kind of path. Yeah, I think Janae and Kenny are fine. I think Serena and Cordell should win and will win, but.

Yeah, I don't want unproblematic. I want an actual chance at being in a relationship. Well, people who've been through hardship, they worked through it, they came back, they're stronger than ever. They're not like, that is who you want to root for. That's a good point. When they do the whole like couples at the end

and they show like the pairing, they're the only two with their heads touching. Cordell and Serena? Yes. Everyone else is standing like, you know, prom. I have noticed the prom part. Justin did send an interesting tweet though of Rob's evolution throughout the season and he had the biggest smile with Leah.

And then every relationship after he saw smiling. But do we think that's because that was his first date on the island and now it's like month two and he's exhausted. I think he's over it. He's like, get me out of here. I don't think Rob likes Leah. No.

He definitely doesn't like Daniela. That's for sure. No, he doesn't like her. Definitely does not like her. I think he should over it. He's like, give me out of here. I don't think Rob likes Leah. No. He definitely doesn't like Daniela. That's for sure. No, he doesn't like her. Definitely does not like her. I think he should have gone home with Andrea.

Andrea. Yeah. I think he thinks Leah is fine as a friend, but I just. I see the spark. Where? I just think that they're like, that they're like, you know, that couple that like can't be together, but wants to be together, knows they're like the, that they're like the, you know, that couple that like can't be together

but wants to be together, knows they shouldn't be, but wants to be. Maybe. I don't explain it, I just feel like they have something. Well, Kane went on a live following leaving the show and kind of went off and said, he thought that Kendall and Nicole were the fakest relationship.

He also said Nicole. I don't disagree with that. And Kahler, which that may be harder to believe. And that's only believable if he's speaking from a position of Aaron. Wait, he said Nicole and Kahler were? You mean Aaron and Kahler were? Also fake.

You mean Aaron and Kahler? Both. Yeah. But he said both those couples were fake. Okay. Got it, so not Kendall. Kendall and Nicole. Yeah.

And Aaron and Kahler. And Aaron and Kahler, yeah, okay. I don't disagree. He was chatting though. He was going off on his life. Well, I mean, I disagree because, fuck, you know what I't disagree. He was chatting though. He was going on. I mean I disagree because You know what I'm saying? Like that's real Like I my heart goes out to her

She was crying she's such a sweetheart. Where is she from you can get Pittsburgh? Okay, I Need her liquid eyeliner She's what I think a Valley girl would be. That's, yeah. Just by the way she speaks about everything. But she's genuine and she's sincere. And you know, maybe she's a little naive,

but she's leading with her heart. She is. And I appreciate that. She definitely is, yes. Yeah, she's making some foolish choices, but she's not being set up for success, You know, no one's giving her sage advice. Speaking of someone not set up for success, we kicked off Liv and then brought on Harrison. I know.

What? I know. Why? It would have been such a hot Australian couple. I can tell you why. For my frustration? Sure. But they brought in Harrison to go on-

To break up the couple. To break up the couples. To break up the couple, not to fall in love with Liv. He's so hot. Yeah. Disturbing drama. Him saying he pierced his own ear and then Sierra responding with her piercing her own nipples is.

Not the same, in my opinion. Is that not a normal thing? To pierce your own nipples? I know many of people that have pierced their own body parts. Like ear. I think ear. Belly button. The little flap inside of the mouth. What do you mean the little flap? You're smiley. I have that pierced. Up here? You did the fulcrum? Your smiley pierced. Yeah. She did it herself. There's a name for this? This is a fulcrum. Inside. Why do you do that? Yeah, I don't know.

It was a phase. Nobody can see it. When you smile, that's why it's called your smiley. Oh, okay. Oh, you got the gum. The piece that connects your lip to your gum. Did it ever get infected? Oh my.

No, it never got infected. And it had like a bull ring kind of thing? No, it was just a straight bar. A bar? When you smile, there's just like a bar underneath your lip. Yeah, I know if I can know. But I also did have my nipples pierced before I gave birth to my child.

I took them out before. I've heard of that. You can't have it. It's breastfeed. But honestly, that was something that made me so incredibly confident. And if anyone is on the fence, it made me incredibly confident, but also was the worst pain of my entire life.

And I cannot imagine doing it to myself. The nipple piercing. Absolutely. Because when you take your shirt off, it gets caught, right? Not even. That itself, I mean, like the piercing itself, the most painful, probably more painful than giving birth. Can I ask, do they like, clamp it

and then like shoot the needles through it? So you're just watching this and you were like, I'll do it again. That's the thing. Well, she was already pot committed. That's what I was saying, I was like, one, one, I'd be like, all right, I'm good. Is that why there's a handful of people out there

that have the one nipple? Cause it's like, fuck it, I'm out. I did it. I know someone who got one and then she was like, I can't, I was so painful, I couldn't do the other. I came, I saw it, I did it, I'm done. Danny got one nipple pierced. He lost a bet, but yeah.

Is it still pierced? But the fact that Sierra did it herself is crazy. I'm just like. Do you play with it? No. Ew. Absolutely not. Sierra is ballsy for doing it herself.

No. That is crazy. That is crazy. That is crazy. I had to have someone and I wouldn't have done it if I had to do it myself. Have you ever tried to wax yourself? Yeah. Oh my God, yeah.

But once it's on there, you gotta get it off. I know. You can't live like that. Oh my God. Yeah, what did you do? Well, no, the first time I tried to wax myself, I like, I got really sweaty. Like I put it on and then I was like, oh fuck, like I have to rip this off. And it took me like 10 minutes to

like rev myself up to do it. But yeah, once it's on, there's no way to take it off other than to do it. I mean, I used to get full on like bikini waxes and same, but also It's so different when you're doing it yourself. Could not, I couldn't. That's what, that's, that's, I think the difference of like having someone do it to you and doing it yourself, which why I think the fact that Ciara pierced her nipples is crazy.

And like she must be the strongest bitch alive. Yes, absolutely. And I envy her in her strength. I agree. I do think Aftersun needs a bigger couch. Oh my God. I don't know if you all have seen that, but the six of them on that couch. No, I took a screenshot of it and sent it to the group.

I was just like, excuse me. Kane was sitting on the table. There was no space on the couch. He was. Kane was fully sitting on the side table. I kind of like it. They were just like, fuck it. I was also going to say that was kind of intentional because I feel like there's a very nice gap

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All right. Well, unfortunately, Natalie had to leave to go take care of her baby river. She's super sad about it because she was such a huge fan of our next guest. She is the queen or one of the queens of Love Island USA. Liv! Woo! Hi, guys. Hi, welcome to the Vile Files.

We're so happy to be talking with you. I just like, I'm so sad that you left, first of all. Do you realize how popular you are in Love Island USA history? I don't really like it hasn't hit me yet to be honest like in the villa I thought that I was maybe like not a favorite or not loved coming out as a little nervous but seeing like everyone's response and stuff I'm definitely extremely grateful but it still pinched me moments for sure. response and stuff. I'm definitely extremely grateful, but it still pinched me moments for sure. Many of you also have referred to you as the Australian Barbie of Love Island USA. But so, how did the Australian Barbie end up on Love Island USA? Like, because doesn't Love Island

have an Australian version? There's a UK version? How did this all come to be? So we definitely have an Australian one. Last year, I had a casting member reach out to me from the US team seeing if I wanted to do it. I was in college at FAU for a bit. So I think she found me kind of that way. I believe like someone who won it two years ago or last year was from the same college. So she may have found me like that that but they reached out to me due to reasons I just didn't do it last year and this year I was like let's give it

another shot and next thing I knew I was in Fiji. That's amazing. Let's just start with the the most burning question. I think obviously maybe I don't know how long you've been asked about it but what actually went down when you all sent Andrea home? You know all the back and forth between you and Leah, I honestly not even sure whether that became a thing or whether that even continued to be a thing because ultimately, I think what I love so much and I think why a lot of people love this,

especially a regional cast, were the bonds and the friendships. Like so many other shows, you have these heroes and villains and it's almost as if cast knows they're supposed to not get along but here it really seemed like there's a genuine care between you all but for whatever reason you and Leah when it came to this sending Andrea home like could not get on the same page. Do you still feel like Leah pushed that or after leaving you the island, have you kind of rethought your

stance? Like how do you see it now? So I had no idea that situation was so big until I had all friends and family being like, why did she send her? Like, who was rooting more? And I was like, oh, I didn't realize I was still on that topic. But I don't regret anything I said or did in the villa. I definitely like the way I said stuff and how I went

about it was definitely something I could have changed. But how he decided, okay, I'm trying to put this in like, because I haven't watched anything yet. I don't know what you guys have seen. But I was very much like, I don't want Nae Nae going home. I think she's had the short end of the stick she's been trying really hard that's what Love Island's about so she going into it I was like not not going to send her home so she was out of the question. Then we had Nicole and Andrea and it honestly I believe I've seen TikTok things we were were talking for so long, all of us. We weren't just that

little snippet you guys saw. It was a long time because obviously it's like people's lives we're making a decision for. So we didn't want to take it lightly, but we all went through each individual and what their like positives and negatives were. And then we came to the conclusion of what we thought Love Island was about and testing relationships and stuff. And when it came down to it, we thought that Andrea didn't do that at that certain time period. So it was just got unfortunate that when she came in,

that's what the decision was about. But I love Leah to death and I feel like we're both very vocal people. And we will all stay and still to this day that we all came to the decision at the end of the day and we all voted Andrea and it wasn't going to be both one on one person more than the other but there was definitely we did a vote and there was definitely Shareena was more one side, Kayla was more one side, Leah was more one side, I was more one side so in was more one side, I was more one side.

So in terms of that backseat comment, I think it came from the point that like, no one was backseat, everyone had their own opinion and knew they wanted to get out. And that's why that comment came out. But yeah. What was Leah's opinion of who should go out?

So we came to the decision that Love Island is about testing what you have and not being so close off straight away because as you see so many of them went through tests and they came out 10 times stronger. So when we came to the decision, her and the same Serena and Kayla, they were all more on the fact that at that point in time, Andrea wasn't to our belief as open to get to know new bombshells as some of the other couples were. And maybe we took Andrea's words out of context and we took it quite literally when she was like, no, I'm happy and fine.

But I feel at the end of the day was also voting for Andrea to go home. So I'm not going to see it online and say it wasn't not Andrea at all, but yeah. I know you said you don't regret what you said, but knowing this all, I mean, I'm guessing at this point, you're probably like, why the fuck are we even talking about this? Even if it was for that reason to be like,

this wasn't worth the conversation that we're having now, if you could go back in time and just not make that comment to Rob, would you have just not made that comment to Rob? Or would you still make that comment? The one up on the balcony with Kayla? Well basically kind of suggesting that Leah might have been like pulling the strings a little bit more than the others. Yeah looking back I definitely could have worded it better. I mean, it's a very hot situation in there. Like that is your support system. That's everything you know. So little information gets turned into like extreme situations and cases. But at that point

in time, I felt like it was super hard decision for us to send Andrea home. And I felt like it was super hard decision for us to send Andrea home and I felt like I backed the girls on the decision the entire time and Was the one being vocal to the boys and stuff So when I heard that she was implying that it was taking a backseat I think I just jumped with him and ran with his word and like didn't hear her out So, you know, yeah, that's a, I do. That's a good point though. That's a good point that Liv is making. This all started when Leah was like,

I took a back seat and it felt like, Liv, you were more reacting to Leah saying that rather than coming out and being like, I want you all to know that Leah really went out of her way to send Andrea home. And I feel like that's something we're all kind of forgetting a little bit almost. It definitely, the whole thing for me,

started off with the backseat comment. And when speaking of Rob up there, like he had his own conversations he wanted to talk to Leah about and asked us out of respect if he could talk to her first. Hence why we stepped back and it wasn't until the fireplace came up that I was like, well, if you're gonna bring me involved involved, I want to know about this too.

Why are you saying this? And look, got looking back on it, I should have probably just pulled her aside and being like, why is this being said? Because as we all know, you didn't take a back seat, neither did Serena, neither did Kayla, neither did I. Like everyone themselves were very vocal and everyone at the end of the day had to say who they thought and why they thought that person.

And to me, that's not someone who takes the back seat. I've decided I'm Team Liv here. Okay. Well, because I'm thinking in that moment. No, Liv and Liv are team. No, I mean, listen, we absolutely love Leah. We absolutely love her. But obviously, it's a, we're just having fun.

But I'm thinking if I were in Liv's shoes, if I hear someone saying, oh, they said they were taking a back seat and they were equal participants in this, I would have spoken up. I would have been like, the hell she was. And I feel like that's what you did. And that turned in.

And it almost became Liv calling out Leah rather than Liv responding to something Leah said. Yeah, I feel like that was definitely the situation and it got blurred into all of like Rob and Leah's like whole situation going on. But I definitely think I should have just pulled her aside earlier and been like, hey, why the hell are you saying this and not had the whole vibe here go off in flames.

Yeah, what do you mean? Thanks for the good drama, we appreciate it. Speaking of Rob, there was a moment where Rob, and maybe you're not even aware about this because you didn't talk about it, but there was a moment way back when Rob all of a sudden was like, man, Liv's looking hot, and there's something about her, and she's quirky and fun.

And we all thought like, Rob and Liv, this is gonna happen. And then, I don't know, it was a Casa more the next day or something. Is that what it was? Was there any possibility of you and Rob or was that just kind of Rob Robin? Well, he told you he liked you, right? Like you guys sat down together and kind of told each other

that you were feeling each other a little bit and then there was Casa. So why didn't you revisit that when you guys came back? I feel like Rob is a good friend of mine. I mean, I haven't seen the episodes or anything back. I have seen some stuff and I'm like, oh, okay. Wonder why people are thinking this way, but he's still a good friend of mine. I feel like when I came in, I was so nervous. I don't even understand how nervous I was. And I wasn't maybe myself and I feel like when I came in I was so nervous. Like I don't even understand how nervous I was. And I wasn't maybe myself

and I feel like he wasn't himself as well. So it didn't really work out then and then. So when I started to get to know him a bit more, I was like, oh, his personality's better. Like at the end of the day, I always wanted to go him at the start because I found him attractive. But I think coming into CASA, we were both just single.

Everyone else was coupled up, like lovey-dovey. So I think it was just like bouncing off everyone else's energy that, I don't know. I think we're just friends. So I wouldn't say that we didn't, yeah. Are you familiar with Harrison? I've heard about him. Yeah.

Just, I think a lot of people had been waiting for the people running the show, so to speak, to bring in a bombshell for you. It seemed like, yeah, there just wasn't a match for Liv. You became everyone's best friend and was like, all right, let's take care of our girl here. Let's bring in a bombshell for Liv. Then they bring in this Australian, handsome,

Liam Hensworth type of guy right after you leave. And it was like, what the fuck? Like, what could have been like with the, so you're not even. I know. Yeah. Do you know what he looks like? Yeah, I've seen photos of him,

and like he's gorgeous. Yes. And I've seen little like after stunt moments, and like he seems funny and articulated, which I love. And I was like, they did me dirty. Yes. Setting him up to me. Yeah.

So like, come on guys. I'm concerned for your girl, Kayla. Please tell me your thought. Well, listen, Aaron seems like a lovable guy and all, but I found out over the weekend that person is a 27-year-old man, and I thought I was watching a 21-year-old boy up until recently, and I was just alarmed by it. It's just like, and now when I'm watching Aaron

and I'm seeing and I know that he's 27 years old, my brain breaks every time I see it, And now when I'm watching Aaron and I'm seeing and I know that he's 27 years old, my brain breaks every time I see it. And then I find out, oh, he won Traders. I come from, I don't know if you know anything about The Bachelor, but I come from that world, right? So that was my first time on reality TV. But you're kind of trained almost to really lead

with your emotions and fall in love and really just embrace the atmosphere, kind of like on Love Island. But like Erin's first experience in reality TV is to like be gamey and play for the money and be tactical. And I, the more I learn about Erin, the more I'm less like this, there's a hundred percent chance because like, you know, Kayla is so sweet

and I get it. Like I know people get frustrated cause she keeps forgiving them, but like she's in love. And what is she supposed to do? I think there's a hundred percent chance they will try to start a relationship outside in the real world. And there's another hundred percent chance that he's going to break her heart. Because like, I don't know. What are your thoughts?

Am I wrong? Am I misreading Aaron? Like, is there like, because to me, it just seems like this is bad news for our girl And our heart is gonna break even harder when he goes back to the pond and be like well This is how I felt and I'm entitled to my feelings and you know, like my life to it's my life, too And he starts crying, you know, and it's just like I'm sorry. You're crying I don't know It just storms off the storms off and rips his mic off and all of a sudden Kayla is gonna be apologizing

Anyways, what are your thoughts? My mom and dad have been asking me this question all the time. And I'm like, mom, you guys have seen more than me. I haven't seen anything from Kassa. I've heard that we didn't even see the worst of it. Correct. So that breaks my heart because I love her. She's so sweet.

She is someone that puts someone else's feelings before herself. And I think that happened a lot at the end of the day. I think Aaron's a nice guy. He's great and fun. I don't know if I personally trust him. Like he did win a show about like convincing other people he wasn't a traitor or something.

Like that's, you want it. He didn't just participate, you want it. So I mean like that's very questionable. I feel like my opinions kind of changed around him. I'd manage to say, I don't think he's an awful guy at all. He's very lovely and stuff. But when he was given the chance to tell her everything, when she took him back at the start of CASA, He lied and didn't say anything and said that he forgot or didn't remember. So you don't forget telling your girl you love her. Yeah, also it turns out that handshake did it on Traders.

Did, no way. Yeah, some version of it, yeah. We just watched a clip. Also he was a faithful, but he still won. Sure, whatever, yeah. I don't, yeah, Aaron doesn't look like a bad guy to me. He looks immature. His best defense seems to me is that

he just doesn't take Kailer's feelings seriously. He thinks this is all a show or a game, and it's not that serious. Meanwhile, Kailer's like, I'll marry you tomorrow if you ask. And she truly cares about, and these are real feelings that Serena and Kailer are having, and she truly cares about, and like, these are real feelings that like Serena and Kayla are having and like some of these guys, I mean,

Cordell seems to have really come around, but like Erin just seems like it's all fun and games and it's like not that serious. And it's definitely serious for Kayla. And my heart breaks for what I, I'm almost certain is gonna happen. And it's just, it makes me so sad. Yeah, like we were definitely like having questions in our head

and like Nicole and I were trying to say, like, you got, we love that you are so open and see the best in people, but you got to remember at the end of the day, like he's throwing around words that you were like, not building the courage to say to him, but so excited to say to him. And the fact that he was so easy to throw him, let's have a shower, or how romantic some of the things were when he brought Danielle up for breakfast and he'd kiss her in front of everyone. They were really romantic gestures. And it kind of, to my belief, implied

that they had known each other for a while and that was an ongoing thing, not just a four day. Plus he doesn't live in America. So if he can't keep his hands off a girl for two days, like, yeah, what's he going to do when he's more famous? Yeah. And every girl at the club is taking a picture with them or a selfie and yada, yada, yada. And like, Kayla's already said to him, I can't stay mad at you, which is like, I know she doesn't realize this or mean it, but like she literally in that moment

gave him permission to do it again. Because as I said earlier, like, if you know you're not, if you know they will forgive you, you're always gonna take the cookie. You know what I'm saying? Like, you're just gonna be like, oh, well what do I, I get what, I get yelled at for six seconds. No problem.

I like, I'll take the cookie. Like you will. It's human nature. Like, yeah, I certainly like at the recoupling, like when he was like, we'll talk later, like he definitely knew that Serena, me, Nae Nae, Nicole, Leah, like we would repeat most of the shreds. And he was like, that's the thing that really bothered me about him is cause he knows he can sweet talk her and he'll throw things like in that like, Oh, like they'll having

a fight. And then he was like, Oh, I don't know what today I love you too. And I'm like, you're just saying that. Yeah. Like he wouldn't even be in the change rooms being like, guys, they think I might say to him, I love you like for a while. Like, and being like, guys, I think I might stay in my love view for a while, and being like, should I, should I not? And you just throwing it out there to kind of win over.

Not kind of, yeah, I don't like that, I don't like that, don't hurt my girl Kayla, cause. Yeah, I don't know, I think Aaron's the villain of the season, if there is one. I just, the more I learn, and I like them so much. But it's his experience, you know how you get seen, but it's my experience. He's so dismissive to people's real feelings, and the only excuse I can give him

is either too immature or too desensitized from reality TV to give a shit. And it's like, ugh. Yeah. I feel like the situation of Love Island, you get caught out for being fake, and we get really good at it it because the cameras are hidden, like, so I genuinely forgot. So it kind of worries me that he still acts kind of that way.

Yeah. No, it's, I hope I'm wrong. I just don't think I am when it comes there. Kane recently also went off the show. You had a cup of coffee with him, but he also seemed to like run his mouth a little bit. I don't know if you've seen any of this. Shane recently also went off the show. You had a cup of coffee with him, but he also seemed to run his mouth a little bit. I don't know if you've seen any of this. I've seen little bits. I'm like, you're gonna get in trouble, mate. Is there anything he said that you disagree with?

I think specifically, I think he called Kendall and Nicole the fakest couple. What are your thoughts on Kendall and Nicole? Do you think that was a little harsh, or do you see where he's coming from? What are your thoughts? I think obviously everyone's entitled to their own opinion. Cain wasn't in there very long. I think calling someone fake is a very strong statement to know someone for three days. I don't think they're fake. They are like so the same person. It's kind of scary.

Like they're both obsessed with Star Wars. They both do the same sort of job. Like they both have the same, like it's literally copy and paste. So I don't think they're faking it at all because every time they see each other, it's like a spark within lights. Like they're literally all over each other 24 hours a day. So I mean, they've got to be the best bakers in the world. Okay, thanks for easing our minds.

Yeah, they're good. Lea here, she keeps thinking that somehow, some way, Rob and Leah will find their way back to each other. I think, and I'm joking when I say this, but I think Rob kinda hates Leah as dating potential, and he's just being nice about it. And I don't think there's any way they get back together. Who do you think is more right?

Or maybe there's an actual truth which you know, is like, can you shed some light on the potential that is Rob and Leah? And because Leah here thinks like if they got back together, they'd win. I think that's blasphemy. Absolutely. I think they'd win too if they got back together. You do?

I don't know if they would. Yeah. Because like everyone's been rooting for them. I don't think they would. But I did see a TikTok that was like me like joining in the TikTok. And it was like this new bombshell is coming in, who might go for Miguel, which then would lead Leah and Rob going together. And I was like, oh my God, like living for this juicy gossip. But I think what Leah and Miguel have is like, it's so, so sweet. And she finally is like herself and like calm and not always stressed.

I think they definitely still like each other a bit. How can you not? Like once you like someone and it gets cut, like I feel like you never really liked them if you can drop feelings that easily. You just made Leia's day. I feel so seen. Do you think they'll go back together? I do. I feel like they have just something that as a viewer it seems to me and maybe you could shed some light on this as somebody who's been around them and knows them but

to me it feels like there's a spark there still. Yeah I can see how you guys see that like there's definitely like a rough patch but they're very dry humor and they're very quite witty both of them as much as Rob doesn't really talk, like they're kind of the same in that way. So they bounce off of each other. So you can kind of see a little bit of like, maybe it's flirty, maybe it's just conversational, but I still thought that Andrea was coming back in Casa.

So I think he, I thought he still had feelings for her. I don't know about the Lea Sitch. Yeah, I mean, Rob really has been floating ever since Andrea left. Thank you, Sue. I thought he still had feelings for her. I don't know about the Leisage. Yeah. I mean, Rob really has been floating ever since Andrea left. Yeah. He liked Danielle for a second. Oh, did you, did you realize just how much Erin pitched Rob about Daniela? I had no idea.

Like my cousin was watching every single thing and she was like, did you know that like Erin told Rob to go for Andrea and bring her back and how obsessed they were? I had none. All I've seen is what was on movie night and apparently that is not even half of it. That was a hard sell. So I didn't know, the situation is so messy. Yeah, it was a hard sell. Serena and Cordell is charming, is lovely, is, they're my absolute favorite couple. I'm obsessed with them. Are they real?

Oh my God, it's so real. I said the entire time, I think Serena and the way she's handled things, it's like, I relate so much, but I think so realistic. Yes. Like having some wars up, not going, it's so easy for a show, and like the people on the violin to be like,

I love you, like throw it, like hugging, kissing all the time. But I feel like that couple is like, really like, she's not opening up straight away because why? And she might be not as love language, physical touch team straight away as like other couples does. And people look at it, I feel, and they say like, that's not as strong but I think their couple is the strongest because it's kind of like not just surface level. I love them and I'm rooting for them. Oh I'm rooting for them so hard. I agree with you like I obviously I'm a big fan of all you ladies. There's something about Serena that I just really respected her ability to set and enforce a boundary the way she did.

And just, she was so upfront and so chill, wise beyond her years, because she's pretty young too. It's, you know, but like- Yes, like 24. I mean, like you've put Serena next to Erin, and it, like it is like two different generations of people. Like Serena comes across as like a mature seasoned person

and like Aaron comes across as if like he was grown in a lab and thrown out to the real world and told to interact with human beings. That's how Aaron comes across. I get so upset and I'm not even trying to talk shit about the guy. It's just like, it's so frustrating how aloof he is to other people's feelings. And he's not an idiot.

He's not stupid. He's clearly a smart guy. It's just insane to me. Like I literally love so much. Not only like the funniest human being ever, like her one liners. I just in saying, but I, Cordellian Casa, like I was not a massive fan of, but she was so, she's very much someone who would rather laugh and cry. And you could tell how much she really liked him when during the Casa time, she was so heartbroken. Especially

after seeing that video. I mean, listen, Cardell definitely fucked up, but I give Cardell more of a pass, just because emotionally, it felt like Serena was more in control and kind of had the power dynamic, which kind of made Cardell kind of like, well, I don't really know where I stand, maybe you should have known a little bit more.

Where like, Aaron has always been in the driver's seat. Like, he's always known where Kayla stood, and he, from my end, took advantage of the power he had in that relationship where Cardell, it's kind of like, he probably should have known better, but I could see a world where his insecurities got the best of him, where like this had nothing to do with Aaron's insecurities, it had everything to do

with him being a fuck boy. Yeah, literally, that is perfectly said. Is Miguel as awesome as he seems? I love Miguel. Yeah. Yeah, he's one of my favorite boys in there. Miguel seems like, you know, he comes in, he presents, here's this suave guy, I don't know if I should trust him,

he's a player, but he seems like wonderfully upfront about his intentions, and like, you just know where the guy stands. It's like, all right, you're gonna do what you're gonna do, at least I know, like, I'll take a guy stands. It's like, all right, you're gonna do what you're gonna do. At least I know. I'll take a guy like that all day long, I feel like. Yeah, he is. Also when he first came in, we were like, yeah,

fuck boy, obviously he's attractive, nothing like that. But he is the biggest softie at heart. He's also so wise. But when him and Leah were, he made a little comment one time, I don't know if anything was shown, but at the table and he kind of like didn't mean it in that way and he went to like make a smoothie for her and then quickly like pull her up and was like, I didn't mean it and had this like romantic chat and everything. So he's deeply a softie at heart. He is honestly a great

guy and so good for Leah. Any other kind of little Miguel and Leah nuggets that you can share? Cause we aren't seeing a lot of them. They aren't, yeah, we're kind of, we're seeing a chat here there every once in a while. It's like Miguel, they both kind of say, I could be myself around you and they smile,

but we're not really seeing the layers. Yeah, we see them making out in bed and then Kane leaving and going to sleep outside. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, are there other nuggets about like why we should be team Leah and Miguel? I'm rooting for them.

I have no one winner, but I'm rooting for them as well, because they are so comfortable around each other. Like they're very mature in the way that they handle situations that bother them. And they just literally bounce off each other. Every time you're around them, there's like kind of like energy and like there's not really anyone. They're kind of like, how do I put this? Light up the room when those two come in, like no matter what's going down,

they will change the situation to be funny and lighthearted. But I wish they showed more of them because they're also obsessed with each other. I would say Nicole and Kendall and Liam and Miguel are like, he won't leave her side. He's there, like he's her protecting ex-soldier. Interesting. Yeah. Never would have thought that. We have an elimination, or I think it's America's favorite couple vote coming up. Uh, who do you think is going to win and who do you think is going to be sent home? I think Cordell and Serena will win, but I think Nene and Kenny will be very

close. And then sent home, I think will be Ciara and Harrison. Do they? It's just, they're? It's just they're so new. They're so new. I was like, do they count? Do they count? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They are part of the vote. Okay, sometimes when it's new couples,

they'll be like, they're excluded from the whole nation. No, they were part of the vote. Okay, then yeah, probably. Yeah, I don't know if no one's really invested in them. They're just too new. Like people coming in that later. They're too new. Yeah.

They don't have it. Yeah, I've only seen, I've only watched one season where someone from Casa was in the winning couple. Oh. But that's all I've seen. There's probably been more. When you went home, Liv, did you like, did you absolutely know you were going home

or were you hoping there was gonna be some kind of last minute switch up or that Rob would pick you or save you or did you kind of just know it was coming? We cried, like Nally and I cried. Oh, thank you. It was so sweet. No, I kind of like, when it was the re-coupling,

like when Arianna said it was gonna be a re-coupling, I kind of knew, like, it was gonna have to be like a miracle for someone to like matter how to fight that I had no idea about it was so often but I yeah I kind of knew and I feel like I was prepared and happy that I kind of went out on like a good note and seeing all the girls reaction and stuff I was like it's fine I'm gonna see you very soon I'm not someone who can fake it like you'll see it on my face and I feel like that kind of a little bit confused during the show, but I Was there to find love and I'm not just gonna stay for the sake of someone like I'm gonna test it out

And if there's nothing that nothing that I'm gonna keep it moving So I was yeah, I wasn't really shocked. Is it maybe a TMI question? I don't know if you're allowed to answer it But at this point are people having sex? When I was in there, no one had. No one had, okay. And what kind of conversations, because they sure made it seem like Kendall and Nicole in Hideaway.

They made it seem like the grocery store was open. She said she had all five courses. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe they were hungry. I don't know. I don't know about that one. I didn't attend that dining experience. I let Nicole open up her grand opening stories for everyone.

Who's the best cook in the villa? Oh, Connor. He made the best blueberry pancakes. But then Janaye is like, she can just make anything. Three types of eggs. Yeah, she had three types of eggs. I forgot about that. Was it scrambled?

Not the egg saga. I was sort of going like, yeah. What were you guys thinking? Were you like, yes or no? I was like, that's too many eggs. You're trying too hard. His cholesterol is not prepared. Just wait till he's done chatting.

Yeah. Then get the eggs. When it was happening, I thought this guy is way too used to have women making three different types of aids. This is not going to stand out. Yeah. That was right when Miguel came in. Here he was, just kind of giving like, you know, fuck boy. I used to have women fawning over him. It was funny.

I loved it. You know, it really. Yeah. It was comedy for sure. It caused a little bit of like, don't bring eggs. He was hungry. It was a bit of a drama. What's next for you, Liv? I am going to go to L.A. and see everyone. I feel like when you live with them and wake up every morning, being back home,

I'm like, where is where are all these, craze nut jobs that I sleep with? Where are they? So I definitely go see them. And then I don't know what's next. I've been so grateful for the opportunity that's come from this. Hopefully find love. But I definitely in the looking at the next couple of weeks, I'm definitely going to catch up with everyone. We want to go to Epcot and do drinking around the world. Yes! That's gonna be a thing. We have some people who are very-

President of Disney. Who could be a tour guide. Oh my God, come! Go, go! Don't tempt me with a good time. Well, when you come to LA, Liv, look us up. We'd love to meet you in person. 100%, I'd love to meet you guys.

Well, thank you for your time. This has been so much fun. Best of luck with everything in the future. Thank you for being excellent television. You are an absolute joy to watch. And just because you are part of this original cast that I think has exploded, Love Island, thank you for your service.

You guys made the show amazing. You really did. No show is a show without its stars and you guys have been amazing stars and it's been so fun to watch you guys, so thank you. Thank you so much, that means a lot. Thank you. All right, Liv, thanks so much.

We appreciate you, we'll talk soon. Bye. Bye, guys. Thank you. Bye. What a sweetheart. Absolutely. A little surprising about the Leah and Miguel. Yeah, they really don't show their emotional connection. Yeah, there's no moving it forward, talking about the future.

They really seem like they've agreed to couple up because they're both hot and they don't annoy each other. Maybe it's one of those things where they're so unproblematic that there's nothing to film. I was thinking, love is blind. Remember the one couple that we were like, we don't care. I would like fast forward because they were so healthy. The birth control one.

Yeah. Oh, Johnny and. But we care about Leah. Yeah. She's a star and even Miguel, like we love him. And so, and we're like hot, you know, hot privilege. They're both hot. And we like it when hot people like each other.

Hey, James Kennedy. It's true. I, James Kennedy sometimes, sometimes. Hot people just like, they can have hot people. They do. Having sex with hot people. And other people like watching it. Oh, that is true.

That was my, am I wrong? No. Oh, that is true. Am I wrong? No, no, you're right. I will say and... That's why we want Leah and Rob to get back together. It's not because of their undenying connection in chemistry, it's because they like how they look together. They're star-crossed lovers. Oh my God.

Of the Monte Queues and Capulets. I also have to say that I feel like, and this is like incredibly I also have to say that I feel like, and this is like incredibly toxic of me to say, but when everyone's happy, I'm bored. Yeah, but like, Miguel, there's so much, first of all, Miguel lives in England, right? Problem number one.

If they're gonna have any real conversation about the future, how are they gonna solve that problem? Leah, wonderful, has been open about her toxic, insecure ways. Miguel, very confident, man. This is low-hanging fruit for producers. If we wanted to stir up a little drama between these two and push their relationship and test their relationship,

that shouldn't be that hard. We have a new bombshell coming in. I don't think that, I think that they're gonna bring in this bombshell so that Leah and Rob will get back together Honestly, probably yeah, that's what the people want. Why don't we why are we happy with Cardell and Serena? Why are we trying to throw off? They're lost gonna win. Yeah, that's why they're not trying to mess with them because they can't they're like solid and done And so because this is my first time watching love Island

There's the winners and then there's like but just because you don't win doesn't mean you can't leave as a couple. No, no, not at all. There's still couples that are still together that didn't win. Yeah, yeah. Molly May and Tommy came in second place and they're together with a kid.

And then whoever won just. For sure broke up that season. I don't even know who it was though. Who? Who won that season with Molly May. Oh, was it the one who that guy came in at like the, he was the last bombshell? I know that was more a season, but I don't know who won.

Like, are you telling me we're gonna give up? Are we gonna get a perfect match ending? Or it's just like? No, no. People will stay together. Oh yeah, no, I still follow couples from past seasons. A lot of people stay together, whether they win or not. Cause it's not gonna be Kayla and Erin.

It's absolutely not. They might be like top three. I honestly think they might stay together. I don't think so. I do. I think they might. Oh, I think at first they absolutely will try. And I think Kayla will give them every opportunity and then some.

That's why I think they'll stay together. And then some and then some and then some. But at some point. It's going to be like Instagram and doing that whole thing. And then once that gets old, he's going to break up with her and be like, oh gosh, I don't know what happened. But I wish her the best. To answer your question, it was Amber and Greg.

Yeah, Amber. And Greg was the last bombshell. Greg came in at like, the last, yeah, because he came in at the last, last minute. And then they won. And they won, because people loved Amber. That is giving perfect match. Yeah.

Yeah, but Molly Mae and Tommy, they have a kid, Tommy Fury. Yeah, and he's the only person to beat Logan Paul. Jake Paul? One of them. Yeah, but he's, I love them. They're like one of the most loved couples from this franchise. I love Molly Mae.

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