The Viall Files - E778 - Kevin & Franklin Jonas, Love Island’s Daniela, Sandoval Sues Ariana, the Bachelorette, and Finstas

Episode Date: July 18, 2024

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What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another fantastic episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick, joined by the household. We have a great episode lined up for you today. We got half of the Jonas Brothers, Franklin and Kevin Jonas are with us, of claim to fame, to talk about their show, plus their fascination with reality TV, The Bachelorette. It's a great conversation with them, a lot of fun. Plus we have Daniela from Love Island,

who just exited the villa, and to talk with us about why she made it with Cordell. We'll ask her a few more questions, but that's what we really wanna know. Like, kinda WF, it was kind of. Out of nowhere. Out of nowhere.

I hope everyone's doing great. Who knows who's not doing great? Tom Sandoval and his girlfriend, they just deleted Instagram. They did. That's what I saw. Then I see something, I saw something. Can you go look?

Go see if you can find their Instagram. Why did they delete? We don't know. Their Instagram, like, I am guessing they are being overwhelmed with trolls. Tom Sandoval's account no longer exists. I'm guessing he didn't Gypsy Rose it. Gypsy Rose seemed to actually delete her account.

I really feel bad for her on that. Maybe it's the best thing for Gypsy Rose. I don't think she wanted the 8 million followers. She didn't? Yeah, I think she was like, this is like, You could make an thing for Gypsy Rose. I don't think she wanted the eight million followers. She didn't? Yeah, I think she was like, this is like. You could make an argument for Gypsy Rose that her, what, 300 and some odd thousand followers are more valuable than her eight million followers were.

I'm watching the show right now and there was a fight that was going on between her and Ryan where she deletes her Instagram and maybe that's when she deleted it officially. She deleted it. She deleted it, deleted it. Not like deleting it off the app, wherever you that's when she deleted it officially. She deleted it. She deleted it. Not like deleting it off the app, where you can reactivate, it's gone.

It's absolutely gone, and he was like, that's revenue, that's, and she's like, I don't give a fuck about money. She should have sold it. She was very powerful. It was a moment. Literally, I would have bought it. Yeah, I would have bought it.

Change your name, and then you have eight million followers. I actually literally texted Ryan and told him that. Yeah, that's what I did. I was like, if you don't want it, protect your mental health, I think it's great, but you should sell it. Could you imagine all of Gypsy's followers though, if all of a sudden someone else had the account?

Sure, yeah, you would lose a shit ton, you'd be left with a couple mil, it would ever, still. You would have to have a really good plan with content that was so intriguing to keep people. It'd be worth it. She deleted it for nothing. I would post captions underneath it that have to do with Gypsy.

So then it'd be so confusing for the people. They'd think like their Instagram glitched because the photo would have nothing to do with her. But I'd be like, oh, another day in Louisiana. No, she's like, I'm back from my rhinoplasty. Here I am. Ryan's really pissing me off. Literally. I'm in Louisiana. She's like, I'm back from my rhinoplasty. Here I am. Ryan's really pissing me off.

Literally. I don't think Tom has deleted, deleted. I'm guessing he's deactivated. There's no way, yeah. He cares about the revenue. I mean, clearly he's suing Ariana. It's interesting that his girlfriend would too. Solidarity maybe?

I mean, she's probably getting trolled hardcore. She also has a private account. I was about to say, she's, yeah. Oh, he definitely has a private account too. He doesn't. What do you mean, like a Finsta? Like a Finsta. No, no, no, her account is on private.

Her public account is private. Do any of you have Finstas? No, I had one for a second and then, I don't really care. I feel like the close friends feature kind of. Yeah, that's your Finsta. Yeah. What do you mean?

Because now that you have a close friends feature, you can post stuff that only your friends see. So you don't that's your Finsta. Yeah. What do you mean? Because now that you have a close friends feature, you can post stuff that only your friends see. Yeah, but I don't feel like, I feel like Finsta became a thing with celebrities. No. It's not so they could browse and creep on reality. I don't think just celebrities. It was that and the little bad kids that wanted to like,

Sure. No, somebody in a breakup. No, I was about to say, no, it was like literally us like wanting to see like our ex-boyfriend's new girlfriend and like not wanting to do it on our own. But what does that have to do with best friends? But yeah, the whole point of Finstaz is so that people won't know what you're looking at

or whose stories you're following and what you're liking and what you're engaging with. Whether it's an ex-boyfriend or a celebrity who wants to follow bachelor people. It also was to post you like smoking weed or like parties. That's what I was saying, the little bad kids. It was stuff that you didn't wanna post that your parents could see

or that like your parents' friends could see or like your church pastor could see. Because when they say delete your social media, you're like, okay, that's not your real social media. So like that's what the kids did. That's what the kids did. Yeah. Which seems stupid. it wasn't just like for celebrities to follow bachelor people.

Celebrities do it for sure though. Next time, Finsteads were literally made for people to follow me. Yes, that was all about me. That's why I brought it up. No, it was about hiding your like browsing activity. I think that's definitely part of it, for sure. It makes more sense than still having another account

where you can still post a picture of yourself. That account was private. It was under some crazy ass name. Only your friends knew about it. Okay, so close. That's where the close friends comes in. And Finsta. Falsical.

I'm glad we got here. Fake Insta. Fake Insta. That seems stupid. Okay. You're still putting it on the line. Yeah. Well, sometimes it was like for, you know, like funny memes to have a Finsta like full

of like BS basically. Maybe in context of like a job, like if you're applying for jobs, you have your main Instagram and that's where you're like clean, like hanging out with the girlies, going for coffee. Finsta is like, I'm a bad girl, ping on the side of the street on a Friday night. Again, if it's private, I guess, but like, if it's not. No, yeah, it's private. Private, yeah.

We used to, when we were applying for college, I don't know if anyone else did this, but we all changed our Facebook names to like something random. No. So that- They could never find you? Yeah, so that they couldn't find us. Yeah. So that they couldn't find. Did you have a nice place?

I was on like the brink. Like, I remember I wanted one and my mom was like, like, no, you're too young. But like all my all my older siblings did like I grew up with it. I remember one of one of my first jobs out of college and I was in some training and I was like two years removed from graduating college. I went from like being an accountant and getting into sales. So I was like my first real sales job. So I was like two years removed from graduating college. I went from like being an accountant to getting into sales. So it was like my first real sales job. So I was like two years removed. So I felt like the old guy. And then a bunch of the people in the training were like recent college grads. And they were all like Facebook, you know,

because of college. And this is at a time where like I couldn't get on Facebook because I wasn't in college. And so I was pitching MySpace to all these people. Like, now MySpace is like for like the, you know, not college people. I was, I could not have been more wrong. I was all week just pitching MySpace to these people. And yeah, so don't invest in tech through me. So anyways, yeah, Tom is suing Ariana. It's, I blame Raquel.

Damn. Yeah, I mean, if she didn't sue any of them, we wouldn't be here. I mean, this is, I guess it's not- Tom didn't have to sue her. It's not unbelievable that Tom's doing, but it's unbelievable. I just, I know that Tom cares

about what people think about him. I think if Tom's wallet is hurting, Tom will do whatever it takes. Tom will do whatever it takes to keep the five bedroom house for one single person over his head. Does he still live in the house? Yeah. It's still his in the house? Yeah.

Still his. Yep, yep. I drive by it every day to work. Him and the girlfriend post from it. And have him and Ariana settled that situation? I don't know that it's settled. I mean, obviously she got her own house, so. No, I know that, but have they figured out

what they're doing with that house? They had the agreement that they would like, by like July of 2025, if it wasn wasn't decided it would go to court or something I just thought settled now. I just don't like I don't know if it's gonna get much better now. Oh, not at all No, I just don't like that in the VPR reunion Tom was like so passionate about how wrong it was that Rachel was suing Ariana he's like sue me fine, but Ariana has nothing to do with this and now he's suing Ariana. He's like, sue me, fine, but Ariana has nothing to do with this. And now he's suing Ariana.

This is, I think what Tom's doing is terrible. I think it's terrible. Do you think it's his decision or his lawyers? I can't help but wonder if this is a legal move and he's being, he's getting legal advice from lawyers and he probably needs the money. And this is a, he feels like he's left with no choice. I still think, terrible move.

I just don't, like where do you go from here? Also, do y'all think, I think I cracked the code, but do we think that that's why Maura Higgins covered on Love Island USA because Ariana was getting served. Was down bad. Was down bad. Oh my God. Weren't you wondering, weren't you wondering,

like last episode, like why was Maura like doing the whole. Especially because Ariana came in right after. Yeah. No, but they do that. Ariana guest hosted an episode or two last season. So they do have, they do sometimes switch. But it was interesting timing. How did they find someone in Fiji?

But that was Ariana. That was Ariana having a moment and they flew her in knowing she's a big fan, where Maura's. Well, Maura hosted an episode two last season as well. So that's what I'm saying. They're all interchangeable hosts. I get that, but we're not seeing enough of Ariana

to begin with, and then it's just kinda like, I don't really know, nothing against Maura, she's a wonderful, really wild accent. I love her. Uh. The ting is. But the timing, it was, I kept asking myself, why can't Ariana do this?

The host has access to their phones, right? Yes. So she would have known this is happening. I just wanna know who they found in Fiji to serve her. Cause you have to have an actual, like I've been served before and an actual human. What have you been served for? I've told this before, but I've been served before and an actual human. What have you been served for?

I've told this before, but I was sued by like a past Bachelor contestant for like a car accident once and like an actual person knocked on our door and sued and served me. You've told me this? And maybe I said it on a pop plus episode, but because he went home night one. Okay. Thank God. And you hit him? I was watching the bachelor and all of a sudden he comes on my screen

and I just like didn't, I didn't even know what to think. Yeah, so he hit me and then two years later sued me. What? Yeah. Did he win? Did you pay him? I gave him 500 bucks to settle cause I was just like, this needs to end right now.

He did all that two years later for 500 bucks. I know, right? Statute of limitations? Yeah. It was ridiculous, but I saw him on The Bachelor and I like wanted that. And then he went home night one and I have never felt better in my life.

So it happened, then he went on The Bachelor. Yes. Fascinating. Anyway, why was I saying that? Oh, yeah, so I was served by a human being who knocked on my door and I was living with my mom and she answered it. I'm sure? Oh, yeah, so I was served by a human being who knocked on my door, and I was living with my mom, and she answered it. I'm sure whenever they were like,

someone has to fly to Fiji to give these papers to Ariana, that multiple people were like, I'll fucking fly there. Why couldn't it be me? And get a little vacation at the same time. You're like, sorry, gotta be there for the weekend, but like, I'll go. Can they serve her while she's in Fiji, though?

Would you want to fly to Fiji if you got to stay there for the weekend? Yeah, I'll go. Can they serve her while she's in Fiji though? Would you want a flight of Fiji if you get to stay there for the weekend? Yeah, it's 11 hour flight. I would do it. You're not getting first class. We've said it before, and I'll say it again for the plane snacks. You're sick, mad.

The pretzels. Oh, and you get a meal if you're going to Fiji. The pretzels do slap my ass. And I ate the meal. I will say though, if they served her in Fiji, I think you have to jump through more loopholes because this is like a US civil lawsuit. Well, question. So, so.

Because obviously it had never been sued. Knock on wood. Do you need to serve the actual individual or couldn't like hurt his legal team, email her legal team and inform them that, hey, along with all of the other crap that you're going through, we're going to add this on too? I don't know. I've never seen a movie where someone puts on a costume to serve another lawyer, you know?

We gotta get a lawyer. Do you think someone showed up as a bombshell? Oh no. Can you imagine? They're all like in a thong and lingerie, be like, uh, uh, uh, uh, are you oriental manics? By the way. Oh, you've been served.

They come in on a hobby horse. Oh my God, yes, and a hobby horse. It's all Raquel's fault. It says that Tom's filing alleges that Maddox made copies of the video and distributed it to Levis and third parties against his authority. And that kind of bothers me too,

because I'm like, it's the same detail being spinned around five different ways. This unfortunately non-lawyer opinion here tells me that Rachel is gonna win her case, Raquel. Really? So you think she's gonna win so Tom's like, well, if she's gonna win, I'm gonna also win. Try to get Ariana to pay for it.

I feel like Tom's lawyers are like, listen, this is not going our way. But, and so the fact that if Rachel wins on the same argument, then it's like, listen, this is not going our way. But, and so the fact that if Rachel wins on the same argument, then it's like, well, there's like kind of a, like a precedent type of thing. She might win on a technicality. And this is what, and Tom's literally suing Ariana on a technicality, but if the technicality is confirmed

and they win on the technicality, then Tom's lawyer is like, well, we can win. And if you go to Tom, who's broke, doesn't have any money, sees his ex just thriving, and he's just like, well, I can get a quick. That's so gross. Yes, that's gross. So gross.

I can't afford my legal bills, so let me sue, how much is she suing me for? Okay, I'm gonna sue Ariana for that exact amount. Do we know what these despicable people are suing for? Like the amount of money? Yeah. I don't think Raquel would lowball. I'm just going to put that out there.

$500. Two years later, you can pay it off. No interest. You know who didn't delete their Instagram? Raquel. No, Rocky did not. She is. She's an interesting person.

She also has a cameo. She doesn't give a fuck. She has a cameo. She has a cameo. She's giving dating advice. She is. She's an interesting person. She also has a cameo. She doesn't give a fuck. She has a cameo. She has a cameo. She's giving dating advice. She is? Yeah. She didn't give a fuck.

She is. Her podcast is in the dating category. Like Tom deleting his Instagram, you know what that tells me? He has shame and Raquel has no shame, right? Go on. I mean, I guess, yeah. If they're like, I'm just gonna like leave the internet.

Like I, you know, like. You can't handle the hate. It's too much. It's too much, you know. Raquel's like, I don't give a fuck. Just keep it coming. Like, cameo? Oh my God, do you want dating advice from me?

You know, like. Do you want me to talk about like the scandal? Do you want me to like pay for it and I'll send you a private message? That's crazy. Like Tom has a little bit of shame. Eventually it got to him. It's like him deleting it tells me

that this is too much for him or he knows this is fucked up. I don't know. This is a reaction, it's seemingly to, this lawsuit where Raquel's out there being like, pop off. That's nasty. She's doing podcasts about it. She's talking about it.

She's just like, she's got no shame. We need a paper cameo for her to answer our questions. Why are you doing this? Do you have shame? How much was it? Did you check? She's like, hi Nick at the Vilephiles. Do I have shame?

Well. No. Define shame. Listen to my podcast. Find out. $210, am I saying that right? $219? Her price is $219 minimum.

Do the one next to her. It's more than I ever charge. The last completed video was on July 4th. Damn. Average video length is 51 seconds. She's got some five stars. She's got some five stars. People be fucking with it.

$219 is a lot for a cameo. That's a whole lot of fucking money. Should I turn my cameo back on? For a how long? 51 second video? Just hi. From our girl Rocky. In my backyard. I want to find the dating one.

Do you know what? I think the most I ever charged was 125. Jesus. I felt like you, you, you had to be like surprising to be on cameo to even be up in the like a hundreds for the most part. I was like, I thought cameos were like 20 to like 50 bucks. You can charge her the fuck you want. That's wild.

But if people, clearly she's, how many Cameos you're shooting? Well, I mean, you made a point with inflation. I was like, well, you know, $50 ain't gonna do much these days. When was the last one she did? July 4th. Okay. That's what it looks like. So she's not...

She's not behind. Well, it's a terrible thing. I guess we just need to have Ariana make more money. I'm really curious what it's for, the amount of money. Before we move on, talking about the lawsuit fiasco, Sheena has responded. Apparently, she's done, finally, she's done with Tom Sandoval.

She said, I know you're all waiting for me to weigh in. Tom Sandoval, shit thing to do. After a shitty thing you already did, this is not someone I want to be friends with. Call me a fucking idiot. I said it at the finale. Don't make me look like an idiot. Well, you did.

Well, do we believe Sheena? Do you think she's finally done with Tom? I don't think so, because Vanderpump season 11 was nominated for an Emmy, which means it's coming back for hopefully a 12th season, which means Sheena and Tom have a storyline. So I don't think she's done. So do you think Tom, when weighing his options,

whether he should or shouldn't sue Ariana, do you think this is show related somehow in some fucked up way? No, but I think Sheena's gonna wanna be friends with Tom for a storyline. Hmm. Or would she wanna be at odds with Tom for a storyline? Is that too?

Well, also, like, does this make it even harder for them to come back for season 12? I mean. I think so. I feel like people are just gonna be like, what the fuck, Tom? I mean, I'm like, what the fuck, Tom? I mean, our only logical explanation, like we said,

is like, this was like more of a lawyer advice. He still didn't have to do it, to be clear. He should have said, no, I'm gonna rise above. I'm gonna look the other way. What disgusts me the most is, and I hope I'm wrong, and I really think that Raquel is gonna win, and I think that's so fucked. I hope I'm wrong, I hope I'm so, so wrong.

And the only way I can make sense of any of this, other than like, hey, it's Tom Sandoval, so we expect the worst. There's that explanation. The other explanation is he's desperate. I don't care. This is really bad. No, again, that's not justifying. It's just trying to explain it. I dislike the, it's desperation.

Yeah. I mean, we'd have to see how the season unfolded should there be a season 12. I just, I don't know. I hope Sheena sticks to what she says this time. I don't think she'll be allowed by the fans to not follow through. How does I don't think she'll be allowed by the fans to not follow through. How does she get out of that?

Especially after watching the fan reaction to this past season. I mean, just think of the mental toll this has caused Ariana. Just like no matter, she keeps thinking she's out of it. And we can say all we want about how great her life has been since and all the opportunities she's been given but like This won't fucking go away from her and she's getting to get sued by Raquel is fucking gross

And then to be she she got fucking cheated on and she's been sued twice by these two fucking it's it's unimaginable I just can't Believe that it just keeps getting worse. I mean, I'm just like, how? It's so shallow. There's no bottom to the barrel of like, just to say, no, I'm better than this. This has to be the bottom.

I mean, what else could he do? What else could he do at this point? I mean, he's- It also proves Ariana's point about like, his like performative nature as well, because the whole thing with the reunion, as we talked about, is like, I would never sue me, not Ariana,

and then it's like, you're gonna go and sue Ariana? Like, that's actually absurd. You don't stand on anything that you say. And to be clear, even if his lawyer said, hey, I think this is the move, Tom could have said no. Yeah, 100%. 100%. And there are other ways to make money.

You have free will at the end of the day. Like, nobody's forcing you to do anything. I was like, Nick's got great suggestions for how Tom S other ways to make money. You have free will at the end of the day, like nobody's forcing you to do anything. I was like, Nick's got great suggestions for how Tom Sandoval can make money. Only fans. That's what I'm saying, Tom. You could have finally, just whip out your dick, dude. Just like, or not whip out your dick.

Wear weird costumes. Take weird photos with cakes. Oh wait, by the way, I think now, no, he ruined that. Yeah. I don't want to see his only fans. Not that I did before, but I'm saying like, there he ruined that. Yeah. I don't wanna see his OnlyFans. Not that I did before, but I'm saying like, there was a higher chance before. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Like, all you had to do was start an OnlyFans. It's not Sue Ariana. Yeah. It's gross. It's absolutely gross. Agreed, agreed. Did we all see Bethany Frankel's video about the Hamptons? Oh my God. Never been to the Hamptons. Oh my God.

Never been to the Hamptons, turns out. Now we know that. Bethany Frankel. It's for everyone. It's not just rich people. Bethany Frankel posts a TikTok stating. Because it's farm meets beach meets woods and there are all kinds of people here.

It's not only rich people, that's not a joke, okay? There are all kinds of people. There is a not only rich people. That's not a joke. Okay. There are all kinds of people there. Um, there's a big Latin community here. Big. There is, um, African American community here on the beach. Beautiful houses. I had a house there one summer. Does she realize how, like, does she not understand? Is this a bit, I don't, it's so unbelievable. I think this is who she is. It's the same way she thought we were all gonna be parading behind her when she was like, Chanel is elitist and wouldn't let me in because I was dressed like a slob.

Her TikTok is like 80% rating Swedish candy. She does hauls on Swedish candy and then the other 10% or 20% is Chanel cancellations or- Giving used makeup to people at TJ Maxx. Well, using the makeup before she gives it to TJ Maxx. Besides the Swedish candy, she's over here saying that the Hamptons, it's farm meets beach meets wood. It's not only rich people, there's all kinds of people.

And this is the part where people are kind of clocking her is where she's saying there's also Latino and African-American people. Yeah, that's an outrageous, how do you not realize what you're saying? Yeah. And then she posted it. And then she watched it and then she kept it up.

Right, do you think that she watches her videos again before she posts it? Everyone. Not everyone does. Everyone. You must, right? Everyone. There's nothing I watch more on Instagram than my own story. Right, like I wonder who are the people out there

who just record a video and post it? Nobody. Nobody. Jinks. She posts, jinks. She posted that and she thought she ate and that's like, that's a wild statement. That's a wild thing to like feel like you need to point out the type of people that are in the Hamptons.

Like in what, like also did anyone ask? She's probably right to some extent though. There were probably some diversity, but she's like making it sound like it's something. Her diversity was rich people and then all other types of communities. She just distinguished them. Minority groups.

I was gonna say, she also made it seem like they're like red lines, like where it's like there is an African American community, there is a Latino community, they're not intertwined. She's like, there's African Americans on the beach, there's rich people too. They have nice houses, it's like there is an African American community, there is a Latino community, they're not intertwined. She's like, there's African Americans on the beach, there's rich people too. They have nice houses, it's surprising.

No, this is bonkers. This is crazy that she, so she's getting hate for it. People are like, has she made a response video? Has she said anything? Not yet, but I will say I looked it up and the largest Hampton racial ethnic groups are white, 94%, followed by two or more, 4.5%

and then Hispanic, 1.1%. But why do we feel the need to point this out? Yeah, no, I agree. Why is this a talk, you know? She also didn't say white people, she said rich people. Yeah, it was rich people and then other minority groups. Yeah, ridiculous. I mean, I don't know, is Bethany Frankel known

to post apologies or response? No, she just posts to go. She always said this way. Yeah, ridiculous. I mean, I don't know, is Bethany Frankel known to like post apologies or response? No, she just posts and goes. She always does. She doubles down. Has there been a level of crazy that has increased with her? I think she lives off of, there is no such thing as bad publicity.

Like I feel like she will do whatever to keep herself in the headlines and she just doesn't care. The more you hate on her, the more she's like, okay, you're sad, you're watching me, but she continues to make the videos. I do think her videos are low effort for her. Oh yeah.

I think she's just so far removed that she probably watches it once and then just posts it. She doesn't think too much. She thinks she has the Midas touch or whatever because she probably makes a lot of money no matter what from views. So she's like, well, I can sit here and eat seafood in my bed and you guys are gonna talk shit

about me not wearing makeup, but that was $10,000. No, what do you mean? I don't think she's making money from views. What do you mean? Yeah, from TikToks and whatnot. I don't think she's making that much money. She has YouTube, she's got From Vodcast.

Yeah. Yeah, it's like, when your videos go viral like that, they want to, they get one million or whatever. We don't monetize. You probably don't have it turned on. Yeah, you probably don't. But I am sure Bethany Frankel has hers turned on. That's for sure.

When she did the Raquel interview and broke it up into three parts. That was an I Heart decision. It's a we're gonna make money decision. No. I know, but that was an I Heart playbook thing. Did you see that Lala Kent copied Arianna Maddox's look from a past season?

So in season nine, Arianna wore this kind of like fairy flowy dress and Lala Kent copied Ariana Maddox's look from a past season? So in season 9, Ariana wore this kind of like fairy flowy dress and Lala clocked it basically. So in season 9 she said, do I look like a bitch that has a puffy sleeves and a fucking tutu in my closet? And then for her baby shower, which just happened, she wore the same exact dress. In a different color. Do you think this is Lala in on the joke or do you think this is just a complete lack of self-awareness?

Lack of self-awareness? Lack of self-awareness. And like, it's more of a Bethany Frankel moment where she just says a bunch of crazy shit, forgets the shit she says, and she's saying it not because she really thinks it or feels it, but she just knows it's a spicy take. Yep.

I think it's that, and then I think that the brands probably sent both of them the dress, and she had it sitting in her closet, and she's like, oh, here we go. Because it's the same thing as when Raquel wore the same shirt that Ariana had at Stagecoach. Yeah, but I guess if my take is right is... She doesn't remember.

...Cierra is claiming that the person who claims to be the most authentic person in the cast just happens to be the most least authentic person because you're just saying shit. You're saying so much shit, you don't even remember what you said, that you put on an remember what you said, that you put on an outfit that you thought you,

mic dropped your co-star. Well, it was from season nine, so I feel like she forgot that she said this. She also is known to flip-flop in her opinions. That screams inauthenticity. Yeah, we change our opinions all the time, but if you're just saying so much shit that you really just like, I remember.

But also how long ago is season nine? A while, but I just. Two years ago? Yeah, you know, fashion changes and all that, but listen, it's not a great look. Clearly that dress is timeless. Yeah. Two years later, just saying.

She kept, you know, and if Justin's right, that they, and that makes sense, right? They, probably the cast gets a bunch of free outfits and clothes and merch, and so they probably sent this to all the cast. And so what, Lala kept it for four years in the closet? She hated it so much? Or what if she was styled by a stylist?

That could've been too. And she, like it's not as deep as fans are making it, and she just was like styled by a stylist and it was a pink dress. And they were like, this is cute and girly. And Drew was like, okay. And then all the fans are like. I don't think she did it intentionally.

I think she forgot the comment that she made about Ariana's dress. And then it came time for her shower. This was at her shower, right? And she just thought it was a cute, pregnant look. It's also, yeah, it's a common pregnancy dress like look, right? Baby doll. Where Where you have the puffy flowy. Natalie, did you wear more tight fitted clothes

or more puffy clothes when you were pregnant? I wore a lot of stuff that just showed my belly because I didn't have the energy to buy new clothes, so everything was a crop top, and I just rocked it as a crop top. But as for my baby shower dress, I wore a skims, and it was a tight dress. But as for my baby shower dress, I wore a skims like, and it was a tight dress. But honestly kind of regret

because the cellulite was celluliting, let me tell you. No. Oh yeah. But you know, what are you gonna do? I thought you looked great. I thought you had great pregnancy style. Thank you. It was a lot of just, I was like, you know what? I'm not gonna spend a bunch of money on like maternity clothes.

I'm gonna get like two pairs of size, like 40 Levi's, vintage Levi's. And so they sat really low and I just wore all my shirts and they were crop tops. Some people hated it and some people liked it. People that hated it were very loud. Oh, that's usually how it is. I was gonna say, aren't they always?

I did, yeah, I posted on Instagram and asked for help for the first time yesterday. Oh, bad idea. And then I posted again like 10 minutes later, I was like, the floodgates are open. And I, whoa, a lot of opinions, but I figured it out. I called my pediatrician, which I think everyone should do instead of asking the internet.

Yeah, asking the internet. Called my pediatrician and I felt a lot better. And got my answers. Emma Roberts is engaged. Did you know that she's Hermione, right? No. No. That's Emma Watson. That's Emma Watson. Nevermind.

She is Julia Roberts' niece, which you- I didn't know. Didn't know. You didn't know that? I knew that, I found that out like a year ago. Yeah, I didn't know that, but honestly, but they hate each other, right? No, no, no, they're close.

They love each other. They're close. I thought the point was she was like a Neppo baby, and like one of the reasons was her aunt. I think it's crazy that her dad's Eric Roberts, who was the king of B movies back in the day. And if you don't know what a B movie is, when I say B movie, you're missing out.

Like B-E-E? You don't know, that's what I'm saying. Do you know what the B movie is? Like, I don't know, I don't even know if it was like an official thing, Sierra knows. It was just like, it was like when VH- I know what B-movies are. Didn't go to the theaters. It was just like, yeah, it was straight to video.

It was before streaming existed. Low budget, right? Yeah, lower budget, you know. And Eric Roberts was like the, he was like the leading man of all B-movies. And they were awesome. It was great. What's the last B-movie you watched?

That's the thing. It was like an 80s, 90s thing. Yeah, I feel like honestly so many movies are going straight to streaming. That's what I'm saying, now they're not B movies, now they're just going straight to streaming. And it's kind of when Blockbuster went out of business, that I think that's when B movies stopped being a thing.

I think they still exist. I mean, I think Randall is like a B movie producer. His playbook is more like, you know. You think they're just not getting seen anymore? Well, B movies were never like, they were more like a cult following, you know. It was like, they were not good movies, you know, for the most part.

I don't know if I've ever seen a B movie. You've seen Hallmark movies, right? Is that B, are those all B movies? Those are B movies, yes. No, you've seen a B-movie. You've seen Hallmark movies, right? Are those all B-movies? You've seen a B-movie. They might not even call them B-movies. I call them B-movies. Are they like, they come out? No, no, no. It's confirmed, but is it a thing?

Like, is it, I'm gonna make a B-movie right now. I don't know. I don't know what people in the biz call it, you know? Would you count those like, creature movie or like Sharknado? B-movie. Megalodon. Yes, like the- Megalodon's a good one though.

Megalodon did go to theaters though. Yeah, like anything that's like- But I think to be a B-movie, you couldn't have ever made it to the theater. Yeah, it has to be so ridiculous of a concept. Or it's a B-movie theater. You have a point, cause now we have streaming that has like million dollar budgets for streaming movies.

Yeah, like technically B movies obviously still exist. There's like different levels of types of movies, but back in the day, they were very specific type of movie. And it was like, and Eric Roberts was like the leading man in many of them. And like, yeah, he's been in some regular, like big movies. He was in the, you know, Dark Knight, not a main character. He played like the mob boss and he had a couple lines,

but he used to be the man. It was the best of the best. You guys see the best of the best? Nope. Never seen that. Oh, B-movie, yeah, what's the definition? A B-movie or B-film is a type of low budget commercial motion picture.

Originally during the golden age of Hollywood, this term specifically referred to films meant to be shown as the lesser known second half of a double feature, somewhat similar to B-sides in the world of recorded music. Wow. So they originally meant to be like sequels? Like a double feature. So like the second feature is not as important.

Like nobody's supposed to. I like the stuff that was cut out of the movie. Today the term B-movie is used in a broader sense. In post-Golden Age usage, B-movies can encompass a wide spectrum of films ranging from sensationalistic exploitation films to independent art house production. Huh.

I think it was the independent art house productions that I was watching. Well, this blew your mind. Something else that might blow your mind is that a viral TikTok of Cowgirl Crystal has claimed that restaurants give you free bread to spike glucose and encourage more ordering. I feel like this is false.

I feel like when I go to a Mexican restaurant or I go somewhere and there's bread and there's chips and salsa, I'm always like, I'm probably gonna fill up on chips and salsa so I'm gonna like order something a little lighter. No? Oh, you're one of those people. I agree with you.

The meal is the appetizer and then the appetizer is the meal. What? Like you fill up on like the appetizer so you have no room for the actual meal. Well, what this is saying is that when you eat bread, it sparks your glucose and makes you hungrier. Yeah, but I'm saying, I feel like when I'm in those

situations, I like, I'm like, okay, well, I love the chips and salsa. I'm gonna eat a ton of this. And then I'm, no? You're full? Like, I definitely am not like, oh, let me order two, like more food because I have, like I get the logic, I guess, behind it, but maybe it's, maybe guess behind it, but maybe that shit can't kill me.

You're a fish tank. Maybe I'm just, yeah. Well, I think the point is we don't realize what's going on. You know they also like how they lower the lights? Apparently that makes you full quicker so you don't realize small portions. No.

I thought it was because it was so grimy that you can't see. I also prefer a dimly lit place. Yeah. No, the bright lights in a restaurant. Weird. Don't do it. And also I just like bread and olive oil, you know? Same.

Don't fast food restaurants specifically make their restaurants bright colors like orange or like yellow and red so you wanna get out faster? So I'm like, I don't- Is that true? Yeah, so that's where I'm like, I don't. Is that true? Yeah, so that's where I'm like, I don't know about low lighting. I feel like that would make me wanna stay longer.

Well, what is low lighting supposed to be? That's what fancy restaurants do, is they dim their lights so that you won't notice that they're giving you less food. So I'll order more, I think that's genius. And then with fast food. Less food, I mean, the United States of America, we are famously known for like oversized portions.

You just have actual restaurants portions and ridiculous amounts of food that are completely and utterly wasteful compared to the rest of the world. I will let y'all know that I did have Chick-fil-A yesterday and I felt disgusting after. I don't know if it was just a bad batch or if maybe I'm just getting older. Turning into an adult.

And it doesn't hit the same as it used to. Was it your first time in a while? Yeah. And I regretted it. Yeah. I will say the dim lighting irritates me because sometimes I have to bring out my phone and turn the flashlight on

because I can't even read the menu. Like the amount of Cheesecake Factory that I've been to. No, the worst thing for me in a restaurant is when the music is too loud. That too. Cheesecake Factory, you're having an issue reading it because it's a freaking novel that they handed to you. That too.

You're like, what country do I want to eat from? Can I get a glossary? They always give you that one little dim light that does nothing. So I'm always like, okay. I'll take the spaghetti. Lexi Wood, our new cast member of Summer House. Hot.

I feel like she's a known influencer. She dated Brooklyn Beckham and Presley Gerber, two pretty famous kids. Oh yeah. She got a type. Yeah, she likes famous kids. I love an hippo baby. Yeah, she's 1.2 million followers.

She's a, yeah, she is. They ain't fucking around at Summer House. They are not fucking around. Well, and it's rumored that she has like a romantic interest with Jesse Solomon. There was a photo that was leaked of them kissing at a club. Yeah. What do you think West's storyline is gonna be?

Like what's, if you're West's manager, you just got off a season, you had a pop, you were like for a moment, everyone's favorite boy. And then it all came crashing down because you gave fuck boy for a moment. Like how do you approach this season? Still coming in, I'm assuming as a single person, Sierra will be there.

I feel like he, yeah, it'll be interesting, but I don't know, how does he play this? He's gonna have to own up to what he did to Sierra, in the sense of he's gonna have to address the awkward elephant in the room, for sure, to start off. And then I think he's gonna act like nothing ever happened midway through the season. And then someone's gonna come and he's gonna be dating them.

Yeah, I think he's gonna follow Sierra's lead on temperament and whatnot. I have a feeling she'll be like, "'It's fine, I'm over it, whatever.'" He'll keep it chill for a couple weeks, and then I'm sure there'll be like, it's fine, I'm over it, whatever. He'll keep it chill for a couple weeks and then I'm sure there'll be some drama with some girl being brought into the house or whatever it may be.

I'm hoping Sierra's talking to someone and that everybody gets along, but. If I'm Wes's manager, I tell him to feign heartbreak. Like be heartbroken the whole season? I just like find, like pursue someone and just be like, I desperately wanna make you my girlfriend, please. What? I feel like that wouldn't go over well.

Go over well. With like another person? You just have to, yeah. No. Be like, no, so you, oh, so like now you wanna grow up and date someone? Yeah. No, I don't think that'll be.

He would get in more trouble. I feel like if I'm Sierra, that's worse. Is to bring an emotional connection rather than just be fucking around. Right. No, it's because he's a fuck boy. If he shows the willingness to commit, then it's less about being a fuck boy

and it's more about I just didn't like Sierra. But then he's doubling down. Which is more of a slap in the face. And you're talking Bravo audience. You're not just talking like a clean slate going into a new season. People are rooting for Sierra. They have her back.

Like Wes comes in with an actual love interest this season and rubs it in her face. I don't think he comes in with a love interest. I just think he shows like, I don't think he walks in day one and be like, this is my new girlfriend. No, I'm just saying, even if you bring someone in four weeks in, it's just temporary fine,

but unless he's crawling on his hands and knees begging Sierra for forgiveness, I don't think that like. I agree with that. I think if I'm West's manager, I'm telling him go in, don't fuck anyone, worship the ground Sierra walks on, and then if Sierra starts dating someone else, be heartbroken. Oh my God, no. I absolutely do not think he should worship the ground that she walks on. No. Or not worship the ground Sierra walks on and then if Sierra starts dating someone else, be heartbroken. I do absolutely do not think he should worship the ground

as she walks on. No. Or not worship the ground she walks on, but like try to get her forgiveness. I think you should respect her to be clear, but I don't think he should like give her any hope whatsoever. Maybe we have him date Sierra.

Like what if like this is the season where they actually dress everything and by the end of it they're together. He's definitely not gonna date Sierra. And then we have like a Carl and Lindsay like we tried this is the season where they actually dress everything and by the end of it they're together. He's definitely not gonna date. And then we have like a Carl and Lindsay like we tried this in the past. We're gonna try again.

You're writing for two seasons now. But Assuming West isn't into Sierra, which I feel confident in saying that ship has sailed. Like I don't think he should give her any sense of hope. Someone who suggested that maybe she's down to have a little bit of hope. Well, that's why I said maybe he ends up with her. Why would he do that?

Because I kind of left the door open. She did. He did it. I don't think he's interested in her, but I don't think the answer is bring another woman to flaunt in front of her. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, it's not about bringing another woman. I think this season, there's no, yeah, there's no, we're not bringing in chicks. Buntime guy.

It's like, he's like a girls guy, and he's here to just like be on the show. I don't think he's bringing girls back. I don't think he's, that's not. Does he, will he have another job? Will they bring him back for next season? I mean, he's gotta participate. So how does Wes?

I think he'll participate, but I don't think he like is there to hurt Sierra's feelings, and I think bringing another girl into the mix will absolutely hurt her feelings. And that's just like digging himself a deeper hole. You're there for eight weeks only on the weekends. You know they're gonna have time. That is just not worth it.

Question. So Wes, what is Wes storyline gonna be? Would you rather though be the villain of the season and get your contract renewed or to be liked by the public and risk your contract. I think if you're liked by the public, you're not gonna lose your contract if everyone's like, we love him,

but if he doesn't have a storyline. I mean, if you're generally like, yeah, liked by the public often means, I think Tolea's point is like, non-problematic. You're saying like Olivia from Slytherin. Bachelor Nation fan base, there's at least a community of the diehard fans who are obsessed with the people who come on

for a week or two and leave and disappear. Like, the purest Bachelor fans love the people who give, like, I didn't come here to be famous. And the more obscure and unknown they are, the more some of the hardcore fans love. I mean, then what is Gabby? Has she had any sort of major, or is she just liked by the public

and they keep renewing her contract? Gabby. Jessica. From Summerhouse. Summerhouse. Yeah, I don't know. That's what I'm saying. She's liked by the public.

Is that she's been on, what, every season? When did she come in? Two seasons ago. Right, and her biggest storyline was balloon guy and she's been and she's been renewed for every season and she hasn't had a Crazy drama filled fucking guys doing nonsense fighting with the girls. She's been like pretty why do we think Danielle was like Removed from the season because Danielle gave nothing. sorry. I also think she's a CEO and founder and she's focusing on her app. Absolutely.

Right. Okay. I guess to answer your question, I mean, I guess I would never do these types of shows for the very reason I just don't know if I have the stomach for it. But I guess if I thought that this is my job, I would do my job, you know?

And like you have to go with the ups and the flows. The only way to be successful, the way some of these people have been successful, is to not think about season to season, but just play the long game and know that this might not be your year, but next season will kind of thing. Because you need things like redemption arcs,

and you need, it's like people want change, and they wanna see evolution, and they wanna see storytelling, and you can't do that by just have like kind of some linear characters who like always do the same things over and over. No, I think he should be himself. I think he should be so absolutely goddamn funny that everyone's just like,

we need him because he's our comedic relief. Him and Paige are carrying the show with comedy on their backs. Yes. But I don't think he needs to be like bringing girls home, doing any like nonsense. Like he's got all week to do that. with comedy on their backs. Yes. But I don't think he needs to be bringing girls home, doing any nonsense, he's got all week to do that, I don't think he needs to bring that onto the show.

I misspoke about maybe, I'm not saying he should bring some hottie into the house. You said he should be in a relationship. Yeah, no, I think if he were to come every weekend and talk about this girl he likes. And yeah. Terrible. Because you want to. Wes, if you're listening, do not do that.

Wes's biggest criticism is that some fuck boy is doing the same shit over and over. And you want to, and people believed in Wes. Like why did we love Wes? He was like this cute, funny, you know, like, oh, this is, you know, he didn't give kind of douchey fuckboy, he gave like charming funny,

and then he turned out quote unquote to be just like every other fuckboy. I think this season for West is about mending the bridge between him and Sierra and showing that they can like, be like friends and they can coincide and live in the same place. And next season, he can bring a girl home. He can talk about a girl, but I don't,

that's way too fucking soon. Bravo Nation is like- So Wes isn't allowed to have a romantic relationship? He can do whatever the fuck he wants. I don't think he needs to bring it onto the show. For the sake of PR. Absolutely not. Nick does have, Nick has a good angle though.

Nick has a good angle though. You're gonna be a fuckboy and then choose now, right now, of all time. Nick's angle is that you cancel out the emotionalists with the emotions. It's like people were saying he had no emotions, but if he's heart-throbbing. People wanna see growth.

It's not also the what, it's the who as well. And Sierra's had this happen with Austin from Southern Charm in past seasons as well, so it's like, people don't wanna watch this happen to her again. People don't wanna watch him come and brag and be like, oh, I'm in love now, finally, sorry, it wasn't you. People don't want to watch him come and like brag and be like, oh, I'm in love now. Finally, sorry, it wasn't you. I don't think he should brag, but.

You said feign heartbreak and then say how much he's in love with this other person. You're really backpedaling right now. He said, wait, wait. He said, okay, whoa, whoa, whoa. Now I think that maybe I didn't say. I didn't say for weeks. I think he should talk about that there's someone he likes

then and he's, and I don't think he says I about that he there's someone he likes then and he's Not only he says I'm a changed man I think he shows change through like pursuing someone and committing to it No, I think it's an act because he doesn't want to do that I think he shows change by being a great friend to Sierra by like not a friend is Man, I don't think he needs to be like, oh look now I'm ready a great friend to Sierra by like not a friend to Sierra. I don't think he needs to be like, oh, look, now I'm ready.

Let me tell you how great my relationship is with this other girl and how much I've grown and how mature I am and how lovely I am and how much she's grown. That's absolutely the fuck not. Just take a knife and stab her. Like literally, literally just kill her. And your popularity at the same time. So in the reality TV space, if we like a leading lady that Sierra is,

that he is just no longer allowed to have, he can't have happiness for at least a season. At least a season. It's eight weeks. No, I want him to laugh. I want him to be so funny. And everyone's, and Sierra's like, God, like maybe she falls more in love with him. And maybe he's like realizes when he steps away

and they're not like all up each other first. He's like, fuck, maybe like, I don't know. Maybe there's hope for them in the future. I don't understand why you keep saying hope for them. I don't- Cause I'm rooting for them. Why? Because- He doesn't like her. I don't. Because I'm rooting for them. Why? Because.

He doesn't like her. I think he could again. No. All right. And it's okay to not be into someone, you know? It's okay. I know she's like, just because, you know, Sierra is a Victoria's Secret model

and a guy like Wes isn't into her, doesn't like, I feel like we watch someone like Sierra and objectively she's beautiful and sweet and nice and we're like, oh, well, if she can't get a guy like West then I can't get a guy like West. And it's like, that's not true. It's just like, you know, there's people who aren't into us and that's okay.

But why, I don't know, why are we protecting Sierra so much? It's not protecting Sierra. She's an OG, I like her, and I will always have her back against Wes. I just meant Wes. Also, by the way, it's protecting Wes too. It is protecting Wes too, because he will damage his image severely if he comes in.

By having feelings for anyone else but Sierra. Yes. So soon after this summer. A year later? I think he could wait one season. He needs to wait one season to bring in like an actual genuine love interest. I think it actually is better if he's just fucking around.

So the playbook for Wes is that he's completely asexual. No, no, he don't care what he does during the week. Two days a week? Yes, I would like for him to be asexual. Keep it in the city. Keep it away from the Hamptons. Keep it out of cameras. He loves to talk about the audience, so I'm with Natalie.

Okay. Okay. All right. So to wrap up Household Headlines, did you guys see Ingrid Andress admitting that she was drunk during the botched national anthem? She sang a rendition of the national anthem for the MLB Home Run Derby, and it sounded very,

like when you, do your singing voice. No, no, I don't need you to compare me to someone botching something. Just imagine it was giving Fergie, but like more off key. Okay. It wasn't good. And it was like, then it got really bad. And she was drunk.

Yeah, yeah, she posted on Instagram. Was she nervous? So she like took a couple of shots. No, she didn't realize she took so many yeah, she posted on Instagram. Was she nervous? So she like took a couple shots. No, she didn't realize she took so many shots. She posted on Instagram, she said, I'm not gonna bullshit y'all. I was drunk last night. I'm checking myself into a facility today

to get the help I need. I apologize to the MLB, all the fans in this country. I love so much for that rendition. I'll let y'all know how rehab is. I hear it's super fun. It was that bad that she needs to go to rehab? It was. Well, I guess she has super fun. It was that bad that she needs to go to rehab? It was. Well, I guess she has a, she must.

It did not look like a professional singer. No, not at all. It was bad. It was like, you gotta see this. Maybe pull it up, yeah. You and I could definitely have done a better job. With broad stripes and bright stars. Not bad.

Wait for it. Go the perilous fight. the the the the the the the the the We keep going.

I'm always scared for this moment. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Nope. That was tough. That was tough. No, no. And the home of the brave It was tough. That was tough. You know what, hearing it back, it's not that bad. It wasn't, she started off like.

That's a good strong start. Strong start, a little off key. Little off key. I also said that I'm like, I have to give anybody credit that sings in a stadium. It's so large, the acoustics are huge. You generally cannot hear yourself. Do you even have in-ears?

You have in-ears, but as I said, I'm like, I don't know what she was working with, but I know a lot of artists and stuff that are big performers are like, yeah, no, it's sometimes impossible to hear yourself in a stadium. So I'm gonna give her that and wish her all of the best in rehab. Same, and I hope she comes back

and she does a great job singing her next. Yeah, this is just an opportunity for her to pop off. You know? Everyone needs a, if this is her rock bottom. It's not bad. I mean, if it gets her the help that she needs, then. Your husband's in the music biz. Do you think she can recover from this?

Yes. I think everybody has recovered from a bad performance. I think everybody's recovered from, you know, from forgetting the words on stage, from having a pitch issue. Do you think her next performance should be the National Anthem? I was just gonna say,

I kind of feel like they should have her come back next year. I was like, Ashley Simpson still thrived after the hoedown at SNL. Remember when she forgot all the words to her song? Fergie came back from her. Well, did she ever sing, she never sang the national anthem again though, Fergie. I think the national anthem is a little bit different

because like, hello, it is like our national anthem, but it maybe should be taken a little bit more seriously and held to a little bit of a higher standard, but I do hope she- I always feel like time heals. I wanna give her a second shot, you know? Yeah, I do think time heals and she's going to rehab, she's gonna get the help that she needs, which is great,

and I think that she'll recover from this. Well, we wish her all the best and a speedy recovery, and hopefully she can come back bigger and better than ever. Up next, we got the Jonas Brothers. Well, that is Franklin and Kevin Jonas, the hosts of Claim to Fame. They're with us to talk a little Bachelorette,

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What's going on? That's my brother. How's it going? I love how we have the most famous, the more famous brother in the studio. Oh, please. Thank you. We're like, we only have room for one, Jonas brother in the studio.

Yeah, yeah. It's, it's okay. I'm here, I'm there in spirit and on camera. Where are you calling from Kevin? So I'm home, I'm in New Jersey right now. I'm home for a week. We have shows, we have a show in Calgary on the weekend and now I fly to, no, where am I going?

Colorado Springs in Orlando this weekend. We're kind of doing like a, between the main tour, like each chunk of that, we're going into Europe in September, we do like one-offs, and this summer has been really cool. We're only doing like, kind of like the country vibe. We're playing only weekends, which is so nice. So like, we just have them home in the week,

fly for two days, come right back. Come right back. Franklin, are you ever touring with them? Not touring with them, but I go to some shows I was just in Calgary with them and that was fun. That was nice. Crispy. A lot of you are gonna love that.

That sounds refreshing. That was crisp. You know, I go to their shows a lot. I was just in Calgary with them and then I was in Lisbon with them, which was amazing. That was so much fun. Yeah. How much younger are you than? Kevin, fun yeah how much younger than are you

than Kevin I'm 13 years younger 13 and then how about Nick is the youngest and I'm eight years younger than him closest with I mean I think we have to I see two Kevin's in the room just staring at me we I think that- How about I answer this for a second? Okay, I got it. Oh, there you go. We get to work together, so we have an excuse to say that we need time apart from each other. Yeah. There you go. It's true. Don't you work with your other brothers too?

Yeah, I was about to say. I need time apart from them too. Yeah, fair enough. I think I have different relationships with every one of them. I mean, we're all very different people, and so Kevin and I get to have this show with, and that's really nice. I just went on vacation with Joe, which was amazing, and Nick I'm always with with his daughter

and his beautiful dog. I will say the gene pool is crazy in your family. It is. There is no denying that y'all are brothers. That's usually how genetics work. No, but your siblings, you have 10 siblings, and not all of y'all look alike. We's usually how genetics work. No, but your siblings, like you have 10 siblings and not all of y'all look alike. We kind of all look like siblings, no?

Did I hear that correctly, 10? Yeah, I have 10 brothers and sisters. Wow, that's incredible. Yeah, like we saw the Jonas Brothers, well, they can sing, we can at least produce. Yeah. Be a football team. Yeah, true.

Like when you were growing up, did you kind of always know that your brothers were a little different, or did you have like a sit down with mom and dad and be like, so here's the thing, your brothers are super fucking famous. I mean, it was pretty like from the beginning,

I kind of understood. I mean, my earliest memories are really them starting to tour. And then my first real like, real memories start when we moved to LA and life changed for us. Just a question for both of you, your family always comes across as incredibly down to earth

despite being incredibly famous at the same time. Really good actors. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's all bullshit. That's what I was wondering. No, but still. You're like, and fuck this place. We're very lucky, we still. You're like, and fuck this place. We're very lucky.

We know that we're very lucky that we get to do this, that we get to travel around the world and play shows, work on TV shows, film movies. And like, yeah, we know this is not the norm and we know that we're lucky. It's fantastic. I love it. I love what we do and I love that this is my life.

Yeah, is there times where you don't want to wake up at 5 a.m Beyond that flight to go do the show sure but do you do it and then you remember what you're doing? Absolutely So we try to keep it we try to keep it chill and also like let's get real. It's really fun Our life is awesome. So yeah, now you sound like Kevin Bacon. Did you hear about that? Kevin no Kevin Bacon like dressed dressed up as a regular person and went out to the Grove, and he was like, "'Fuck this, I miss being famous.'" Because he couldn't skip lines.

No one was like, "'Hey, I love you.'" No, that's, there are- You know, there are- There are perks. There are perks. Positive and negatives with both sides. There's definitely perks, and there's definitely things

that you don't want someone taking pictures of your kids when they don't know it at summer camp. But I don't, yes. So it's that stuff. You know, it's like, whatever. Who is the brother you think you resemble the most? I do get Kevin a lot recently. I think Kevin and I are really, really similar.

And then also, I mean, it wasn't until I just went on this trip with Joe that I think we started to realize that we look very similar. He's just like, but I also look like Nick. I mean, it's like, I mean, it's a terrible answer to that question. I honestly believe he's an amalgamation of all three of us.

Yeah, I think I look most like my dad. I think at the end of the day, I just, I'm the one that I think is closest to looking like our father. Yeah, if I put glasses on, it's serious. How did you guys start doing the concept of the show, Claim to Fame? Is that something you guys pitch?

Did they come to you? I think it's kind of a- It's interesting. They reached out about the show, so this company working on it for a long time, building out the idea. And they used me and Franklin in their initial pitch document to ABC. I think ABC thought we were already attached, which is funny, but we weren't. Which made it great for us long term.

But no, Connecticut is incredible and we love working with them. But they came to us and worked out the timing and the deal. And I've always really liked the hosting space. So getting to work with Franklin on it was really cool. And we don't usually get to work together. So it was a great opportunity to spend a lot of time and you know, hang out. How have you guys gotten closer

throughout the work, through working together? I mean, so much. I mean, Kevin is, Kevin's done this before. He's hosted before. He knows how to do it. And so especially when we first started, I had never done anything like this. And so I really relied on him for advice and guidance

and to kind of lift up some of the weight where I could. But also like, I mean, just spending time together. We don't get to spend a lot of time together just because he's in New Jersey being dad vibes all the time. So when he's not on tour, he's there and I'm over here in LA. So we've just gotten a lot closer, especially this season we spent a lot of time together,

which was really nice. That's awesome. What made you, did you always live in New Jersey, Kevin, or is that recent? No, so the way that I grew up here and we like love it to death and it became my spot and we moved from Dallas to here and then one with the band really kicked off and went to LA. We moved out of there.

About a year into living in LA, I met my wife, Danielle, on vacation at the hummus and we started dating. We got married. About a year into our marriage, I realized it was like either you're alone because you're a system and your friends and your ecosystem is in New Jersey, or you're on tour with us. Like it didn't really make sense.

So we moved back to New Jersey and then built a home here. That's awesome. So did you, you met your wife on vacation in the Bahamas. Was that like a bar meet cute? No, it was like at the beach, like on the, we met at these payphones because, you know, we still, it was that long ago, payphones. She was calling her grandmother to let her know that she, they had made it to the Atlantis safely.

We didn't have those international plans. We do now, you know? So then from there, I walked, we like met at the same time. Like we just happened to be there. Took a photo that was like with her younger sister, she was super young at the time. And now, which her name is Katie and Nick, I'm going to tell you something in a minute about those two that you're going to enjoy. We're going to pull up the photos here in a second. It's going gonna be great.

So the crazy part about that is then the next day, I ran into her on the beach and we hung out the entire time and 15 years later, here we are. 15 years. Who made the first move? Oh, I did. She did not want to have anything to do with me.

I love that. How humbling. Yeah. It's good. I had to work for it. I love that. It's good. I like it. I had to work for it. I love it. Yeah. Hell yeah. Who is your favorite sister-in-law? Hard-hitting questions. All right. Let's start a fight in your family. No, legit. No, they're very different. I mean Danny is just like the the sweetest little like kindest nurturing soul and and Pri is I mean Pri is like the definition if you look up like a girl

boss or in the dictionary a picture of her comes up so it's just they're very different people when I go to them for very different things and I'm really lucky to have them both in my corner which is nice. I think just because of proximity, I spend a lot more time with Pree, but when I get, I was just there with Dani and she, her and Kevin gave me this mullet the other day, which was great. It looks good.

Oh, this is new. This is new. I had to wait till I finished like the main day of press and then I was, then I did it. I've been pushing it off for a while. Nick had a mullet when he proposed to me. Ooh, very nice. Wasn't my choice. Oh, it wasn't your choice. I'm a team mullet. he proposed to me. Ooh, very nice. Wasn't my choice.

Oh, it wasn't your choice. I'm a team mullet, listen, I think like, let's bring them back. I think they're great. Don't you love it? If you have curly hair, you can, I think. My girlfriend's been asking me to do it for a very long time,

because when we met, I had a mullet, and then it slowly deteriorated and changed, and I've had really long, curly, like basically like a fro for the past year. But now very happy to have them all. It's freeing. It's very freeing. Are you a Nicki Minaj fan? Oh, so I'm glad you noticed this. I have my manager's name is Barb or Barbara. No, he's just massive.

You're Barb! So me and my friend who's also managed by her, we wanted to get a tattoo about, like a matching tattoo, and I had this thought of getting barb on her hand so that we can do Calling All Barbs and convince people that we are massive Nicki Minaj fans. Okay. But. The fact that you knew that, I'm so impressed. That is really impressive.

I want to see a photo of you front row at a Nicki Minaj concert. Dude, I would- Saluting her. I hope this gets me there. Calling all barbs. Calling all barbs. That is amazing.

Singing Super Bass, everywhere to Super Bass. Oh yeah. Nick, I direct message you an account on Instagram. I don't know if you have your phone by your body. I do. So my sister-in-law, Katie, Danielle's younger sister is about to get married and her fiance is also named Nick.

We get stopped when we're out and people think I'm hanging out with you all the time. Oh my God. It is like, the photo doesn't do it quite to justice, but I want you to see it. And obviously I want your wife to check it out better than you, because you know, it's hard to look at yourself. He's a good looking guy.

He's a good looking guy for sure. It's just oh, my God. Yeah. So we were out like all this time. Like we're in Austin for his bachelor party and people come up and like, hey, Nick, can we get a picture? Like girls come up to him all the time. It's so funny. That's hilarious.

Well, can we just, can we actually- Call him Nick and it becomes like a real, it's like even harder. Does he ever lean into it? He's, he's, I don't know. Maybe he does free drinks, you never know. Does Katie look like Natalie? Maybe, you can see she's on there somewhere.

So everyone thinks that like Nick is. Maybe they see him and they see another. He has a secret mistress in New Jersey. No, but everyone's like, oh my gosh, Nick has been friends with Kevin Jonas for all this time and like he never talked about it. How humble Nick. Yeah, so cool.

I don't name drop, yeah. We're old friends, man, like whatever. Can we actually be friends? I had to show it because I haven't name drop, yeah. I'm not even chill. Yeah, we're old friends, man. Like, whatever. Can we actually be friends, though? I had to show it, because I haven't seen each other in a while, but when I saw, I knew we were doing this, and I'm like, I just gotta show him this photo, because it's so ridiculous.

That's so funny. That is hilarious. Do you have any doppelgangers? I do. So I get mistaken for Benny Blanco a lot. Oh. And Lil Dicky. Basically any like,

any like, any white guy with curly hair. People think that I am. Oh yeah, I mean, if I had a nickel for every guy with a beard and curly hair, who's like girlfriend sends me a photo of their boyfriend and be like, my boyfriend just looks just like you. I'm like, oh God, Jesus Christ. Well, sorry, I just did that to you. No, like, Oh God, Jesus Christ. Uh, sorry.

I did. I just did that to you. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that, yeah. Yeah, that's a great looking guy. Claim to Fame, is that the same house that night one of Jen's Bachelorette season? It is. The season of The Bachelorette is filmed in our, we call it our house, we were there first. So yes, it's our house. Also a little known fact, the Listen to Your Heart show

that never really came to be during the pandemic, The Bachelor tried to do a music version. Yes. Oh yeah, they did. And that was the same house. came to be during the pandemic, The Bachelor tried to do a music version of their show. And that was the same house. It's an amazing place. Hummingbird Nest. Hummingbird Nest Ranch. Did you see any rats?

I did. Oh, I saw so many this season. I didn't see them last season. Okay. There was so many. Night one, like Jen's talking to one of the guys and in the background you saw saw a couple rats just like shoot Snakes like you're up there. We're out and it's like out in Simi Valley and it is like one

We're like deeper than LA Valley. So like you're at night like you notice like we're doing a summer show like tonight's episode You'll see at the guest's off. I'm wearing like a winter coat like So cold. Yeah, and it's ridiculous. Yeah. It gets, it gets really cold at night around there. Kevin, have you always been a Bachelor fan? Oh yeah. So me and Danielle, we really got into the Bachelorette. I can't remember what season it was that like really got us in, but we started watching it, you know, later. It wasn't early. And we just, we had a really good time. I got invested in it

Um, and then I sadly have been traveling a little bit. I haven't been able to watch this season yet. Um, But you know, it's been it's been fun to watch the bachelor I always find it I find it the juxtaposition between bachelor and bachelorette so Crazy, I feel like the guys on the best are so much more whiny and it's so funny to me. But I will still go back to, you know, Bachelor in Paradise just takes the cake. Yeah. I mean, it used to, but last season was kind of...

Yeah. I didn't see it last season, so. No, you didn't miss anything. Yeah, you didn't miss anything. Well, are you watching Love Island USA because it is Bachelor in Paradise. On steroids. On absolute steroids.

Well, I'll have to start it then. I am not, you know, we only watch those kinds of shows together. And so for the last, like, since last August, so about a year ago, we've been on this tour, this five albums, one night tour, and it is ago, we've been on this tour, this five albums, one night tour, and it is like, we've been gone a lot, so we bank those shows for like the holidays

when we're like home for three weeks, and we're just like, we'll sit there and we don't watch anything else, and we'll like watch everything, it's kind of our little tradition. Yeah. Who is your favorite bachelorette and who is your favorite bachelor?

Oh, God, Franklin, you go first. Oh. If you don't say your bachelorette, I'm sorry, it's probably not going to be Jojo. Okay, was my favorite bachelor. She's the one that to my first season. Okay, I really like set a template for me. Never forget your first you dreamt about her. I have many times, many times, admittedly. And then, Bachelor, I don't know.

I did like Pilot Pete's season. That was an iconic scene and often underappreciated. I know someone recently who, no, I can't tell that story, nevermind, nevermind. Franklin. I know someone who has, who went on a date with Pilot Pete recently and they told me and I freaked out. I literally like, I asked for every detail.

Was it a good date? That I can't, I can't. No, it wasn't. So it wasn't? No, it was terrible. No, I don't wanna give my friends details out. No, no, no, yeah. Yeah, no, I'd say those are my two favorites.

You fanboyed. I fanboyed really hard. Really, really, really, really hard. That's cute. People did say also we looked like each other. There you go. Maybe you just got one of those faces, man. Yeah, real basic.

Real, real plain. Oh wait, no, who was the bachelor? I mean, like every bachelor's done it, but the one, it was like two seasons ago where it got down to the wire and he told like every single one of them that he was in love with them and then I did love that season that was hard have you seen him dancing on social media I'm in love and I don't care who knows it like next day he's like I love you too when he got

was there he's like I'm in love with all relations with I've had sexual relations with multiple women. I had sex with you and you. And I'm in love with both of you. It was so insane. Wrong fucking answer. That was iconic. Every single one of them was like, what? Why would you tell us? We didn't need to know that.

Yeah, that was gnarly. What have you learned about dating and relationships from the Bachelor franchise, Franklin? Don't date multiple women at once. Doesn't end well, usually, historically. Or if you do, don't bring them on a date together. Yeah. Yeah.

Although sometimes it works out. Unless that's what you're going for, I guess. Sometimes that works out. I've learned a lot. I mean, so Bachelorette and Bachelorette has been a really integral part of my relationship with my girlfriend because our first date was watching Bachelorette.

Oh. Yeah, she talks about it in one of his songs. I do, yeah. Do you? Give us the lyric. I do. Like all my songs are so niche, they're all about Bachelorette and Bachelorette.

They're so, they're. You're like, if they want me to sing. And I still haven't been invited to sing. All I've ever wanted was the first impression rose. Yeah. What was the season you guys had your first date? Katy, it was Katy's. That was a good season.

It was a good season. Katy Thurston season. The first episode that, or the first season that I watched with Anna was Katy's season. That was messy. Oh, got it, got it, got it. Yeah, it was very messy.

Are you watching this season? I'm, of course I am watching this season. Who's your front runner? I don't know who my front, oh, I wrote it down specifically because we were coming on this show. Well, it's gotta be Sam M. or Grant. It's Grant, it's Grant. Yeah, it's Grant.

I mean, obviously, I just, Devin is so impossible to watch. You don't like Devin. You like Devin? Nick likes Devin. You like Devin? No, I mean, he's not gonna be Jen's guy, but at least he's doing something. I just, I'm always, especially having been in that world

before, nothing annoys me more than all the guys who are just like, hey,h, go talk to our girl. It's all good, it's your turn, and it's just like, at least he's trying, I suppose. Yeah, I get so mad about that. I feel like that is the one thing, I feel like, oh, it's so irritating. First of all, I hate that people just like,

wanna play nice all the time. Yeah, I get it. It's so viscerally angry watching the show. I'm like, I don't understand this. Like people, and also that people that like can't help themselves. And obviously I know how, you know, we all know how TV works,

blah, blah, blah, producers, whatever. But like, I got to talk to her about what he said to me. It's like, just, dude, have you learned nothing from the, how many seasons is it like? Don't, you're gonna be, like, you're gonna shoot yourself in the foot every time. You will say what someone said to you, you're gonna be the problem.

I gotta tell her there's guys here for the wrong reasons. I have to tell her. Yeah. That storyline, if I hear that storyline one more time in this show. Well, you shouldn't watch this season, David. You should really watch this season. Do you remember Noah from Tayshia's season?

His twin brother is on this season and he's the first one, week two, doing that shit, which tells me- Yeah, it's like, how do you, I don't understand, maybe they're just like, no, that's how you get more screen time and maybe there's another side of it. I guess. I don't know.

I mean, that is the other side if you're only there for that. I think he hates his brother. My God, I'm telling you, it irritates, I get like, I actually turn it off if that happens. Like I can't. Well, good luck watching the season. It's episode two.

It's on script for sure. It's definitely. It's on script, yeah, and you know what? I get it, it's part of the thing, and I'm not trying to, you know, I wasn't on the show. Yeah, but I always get frustrated when the guys are, and to your point, Kevin, I think the guys do that way more than the women do

when it's The Bachelor. They always just, like, you could convince me, and I know it's not true because I know the people who make the show, but you can convince me that it was like, the Bachelor franchise is run by a secret society of swingers because they're always just like,

promoting the idea of sharing and it's all cool, and the fact that you like, are aggressive, and like, really try to like, cement your relationship with someone, you're the biggest villain in the house. And it like, literally makes no sense. Maybe it is. You know, but like, I do not, I get so mad, so irritating. I don't know, but like I do not, I get so mad, so irritating.

I don't know, but whatever. You know, um, who we really wanted, uh, me and Danielle, we really, like, really liked Kendall Long. Yeah. Grocery store Joe's ex, right? Yeah. Yeah. We really liked Kendall. We were like, come on.

Like that, cause she was like, felt like, felt and I guarantee you she was gonna be it. She was just like, I'm gonna do me for a minute. But like, I don't know. We want to learn as a bachelorette. taxidermy. She's big into taxidermy. Is she? Yeah. You know, that's okay. Something weird.

Yeah, she's like a science girl. Different. Yeah, for sure. She's quirky. She's fun. We thought she was pretty like it's just it was the hearing thing. Like the whole thing like work for Different. Yeah, for sure. She's quirky. She's fun. Respect. We thought she was pretty. Like, it's just it was the hearing thing. Like the whole thing like worked for me. You know, I was like, I get. Have you seen her rap or the music that she sings that is a rap song?

No. Kendall Long? I think you're talking about Daisy. Daisy. I'm sorry. Yes. No, my God. Daisy.

Embarrassing. Eat your bachelorette, contestant. I'm the worst with. No, I'm embarrassing There's so many names is able to like our Peter D Peter whatever it's Secret mission to get my brother-in-law Mikey who is my brother our brother Joe's best friend Daniel's Brother that was confusing for everyone. Oh, Danielle's brother is Joe's best friend. My brother's best friend. They're like truly like best friends. Single. And I want him to get on the bachelor or bachelor at some point. We could, we could absolutely make this happen, Kevin.

He's incredible. He's, it would be so fun. And then Danielle and the girls showing up to like It would be so fun. It would be so fun. And then Danielle and the girls showing up to like judge whoever he brings home would legitimately be the greatest amount of TV you've ever seen. What's the, I mean, is he reluctant to do it? Because I feel like- I think he, I don't think he like wants to be on TV,

you know, trying to find a wife. But I kind of want to force him. Yeah, for sure. He's not doing, he's got, he has to stop being so selfish and think about others in the family. Do it for me. Do it for my energy. I was trying to convince our grandmother

to go on Golden Bachelor. Yeah. We really wanted that actually. We all actually, I think we made a video. How old is your grandmother? She, how old is mama? I don't know. How old is Gam Gam?

80s. 80am? 80s. 80s-some? 80s. 80s-some middle school. She's spry. She's spry. Okay, maybe. She's smart.

I just kissed your brother-in-law, yeah, your brother-in-law going on the show and she's like, well, why are you here, Kevin Jonas? He made me. He made me. He made me do it. Like, I actually don't wanna be here. Can you please send me home? She's like, winner. Yeah. Wait, me. He made me do it. Like I actually really don't wanna be here. Can you please send me home?

She's like winner. Yeah. Wait, so are you telling me? Yeah, yeah. You don't wanna be here. We're gonna end the season early. Question, are you guys aware, if their very famous relative is aware

of them being on the show, like do any of them have to kinda get permission? Yeah, the first season, I think we learned that, some people knew, but now, the show's a feel-good show. It's not like it's making fun of the families, or ragging on this, whatever. So if they have a relationship with that person, it's starting to feel like every person is getting videos

from their selected relative, and they're sending them send-off videos, or welcome videos. It's really cool, and it's actually very fun because then there's like a video reveal with like whoever gets kicked off you know and like it's really fun. I like that because I think I mean I'm sure you guys have had experiences with family or extended friends like sometimes they get weird when you become a public figure. Yeah everyone has like the cousin or the aunt who just immediately started treating you differently.

Yeah. And it's nice to see that the celebrities are in on it. And it's like they kind of... They're not using the celebrity as a more or less like kind of... It's a more charming approach to it. No, it's really nice. It's feel good and you can tell that they're supporting them. charming approach to it. No, it's really nice.

It's feel good and you can tell that they're like supporting them and they, I mean we had one person this season who got a lot of help from their relative in regards to, not wanna spoil anything, but their cover is very good. They're very method this season. You obviously have a close relationship with your brothers and it seems like a really healthy relationship,

but was it ever like a struggle for you as you got older and became into adulthood and had these very famous brothers? Was that something you had to work through or were you always kind of like, whatever man. Definitely, there was a period especially in college once I was figuring myself out, like high school college. I mean growing up I had the best relationship ever with them and then I think once I started going my own path

and trying to figure out who I was, I definitely struggled with it for a long time. And it wasn't until I think around like COVID area where we just were like in a house all the time, not doing anything that we just started, like Joe and I started doing a meditation zoom all the time. And Kevin and I would play video games together sometimes and even Nick as well.

And so then we just started like getting closer and closer. I think a lot of that comes with, I'm so young. And so the older you get, the closer in age you get. And so, I mean, it's hard for a 14 year old guy to hang out with a three year old, the same way that it is for like a 20, 23 year old to hang out with a. Age becomes a lot smaller.

Yeah, exactly. It doesn't feel as daunting. I've experienced that in our family too, yeah. Yeah, and so I think, I'm sure, yeah, of course. Big family. You probably get it more than most. What's the biggest age gap in your family? I am six months closer in age to my youngest sibling

than I am to my father. Wow. Okay, sorry. I'm sorry, I'm six months closer in age to my youngest sibling than I am to my father. Wow. Okay, sorry. No, I'm sorry. I'm six months closer in age to my dad than I am to my youngest sibling. So you're, where are you in the line? I'm the second oldest.

The second oldest, okay. So I'm like 24 years older than my youngest sibling. Wow, okay. So yeah, we're 13 years apart. Okay. Yeah. And then I have an older sister, so. That's wild. Quarter of a century. That is crazy.

Really impressive. So your older sister is closer in age to your dad than to your youngest sibling? Yeah, by like two years. Wow. I mean, so Kevin's oldest daughter, Alina, she is, I was only a year older than Kevin was when she was born for when I was born, if that makes sense.

Kevin was 13 when I was born, and I was 14 when Alina was born. Wow, that is, how many kids do you have, Kevin? I have two. We have a 10 year old and a seven year old, Alina and Valentina. We have a five month old daughter. Yeah, congratulations.

Thank you very much. I feel like girls are the best and like that. They are. I don't know what it's like to have a boy, but. Just wait. They are, they are. I actually always, me and Danny always talk. She's like, so, you know, like you talk

when you're like dating, whatever. So like, what do you, if you have kids, like what do you want, if you could choose? And I was like, well, I've always wanted two girls, always. Really? I said the world is built for four people. I've always wanted two girls, always. I said the world is built for four people, I've always wanted two girls, guess what? I got them, amazing.

So we had four boys in our family, right? There's four of us. We have now, there are now all granddaughters for my parents. All nieces. So literally there are, I have girls and even the cousins outside the realm of like the one step are all cousins, are grown cousins.

It's wild. Wow, wait, that's crazy. I bet your parents. It's just growing answers. Well, cause my dad, he kept trying because he wanted girls so bad. That's why I'm eight years later. And so my name was gonna be Destiny

cause it was gonna be Destiny that I was a girl. And then I was not a girl. They went Franklin. And then they got Franklin. Yeah, it's my dad's childhood best friend. It's the only name in our family that's not religious, like biblical. All of Nick's are biblical too.

Is Kevin biblical? Kevin's real name is Paul. My first name is Paul. There you go. Sorry, Kevin, to expose you. Paul Kevin is the second. I'm the third Paul the second Kevin. What made you go with Kevin?

So my dad goes by. So you wanna hear the most ridiculous story, it's so dumb. So my father was named after his grandfather. They lived in the same house together. So he was called Paul, named after his grandfather. Well, his mother thought it would be really annoying to have two Pauls in the same house. So she called him Kevin, like millenate, went by Kevin.

Then I was named after my father and did not reverse it. We kept it where I was going by Kevin. So I am a third Paul, but a second Kevin. Okay. You're a chip and a trip. Yeah, I'm in. Well, my brother's name is Luke, but his actual first name is Christopher,

which is my dad's name. So it's kind of like that, but they always name is Luke, but his actual first name is Christopher, which is my dad's name. So it's kind of like that, but they always call them Luke. Interesting. I always said if I had a boy, I wanted, we were gonna name, we wanted to name him, you know, Paul, Kevin, Trey, like,

and just call him Trey, like the third. There you go. Start a new lineage. Trey. Any chance that you guys might be trying, you know? be trying? No? Another one?

Are we done? Hey man, if it's God's will. We'll see. It's a little like, we took some health time for my wife. She has Lyme's disease, so she really wanted to get that right. She's kind of on the coming out of it now in a good way, which is really wonderful. But, you know, like all things, it just takes time and figure out your life and but definitely not ruling it out. It's just that we Like here it's it's once you get to it's gonna be like a new new like a I go. How do you say?

It's gonna be like the first morning. Yeah Yeah, like I have to like after five years like we's really only child I got downstairs this morning. I My oldest daughter came downstairs this morning and she had a cold ice roller on her face while she made herself breakfast Like how does she like? But but it's also think about what I just said she came down down dressed, made herself breakfast and made herself ready for camp. And was ice rolling her face. And rolling her face. That's an adult.

Like that's, like my life is amazing right now. You know what I mean? Like, like I'll take it. So do I really want to be changing diapers? Maybe not, but at the same time, I totally love babies and I love having another kid. And so sure, why not? Let's go.

I mean, you've got a babysitter. That's true. They, It's true. She, she would have another kid and so sure why not let's go. I mean you've got a babysitter. That's true. It's true. She wants to have another kid. Yeah. Our second is not. It's really teeny. Our second is our little rock star. She is like no way like I'm you know no babies. Are they both daddy's girl or? Yeah I think so. They are they really but they really love their mom. They go in their closet and hang out and talk. It's like a whole thing.

But yeah, I think they're really proud. We've really included them in the environment that is touring and all that. So I feel like we wanted it to feel like not like they have two lives. Yeah, that's amazing. I mean, maybe you could offer me some advice. I mean, obviously you are, you're Kevin Jonas.

I have a small little public persona, but it's very nerve wracking for me as we, as River gets older, how do you try to have them have a normal life, while also like bringing them into your life and kind of protecting them? Because honestly, like, I don't know how to navigate

that quite yet. And we're, we talk about it all the time, but we don't know what the right way is, if there is a right way, but like you two seem to be doing a good job of it. Thank you. There is no right way. Do it your way.

Don't listen to anybody else. And just be like, this is what we're gonna do. And no one agreed with the way we did things. And, you know, like, but then they were fine. This is what it is. You have to go do what you want. We did. And then I think for us, the only advice I give you

and you asked, so I'm not going to give you unsolicited is be okay to make as many mistakes as you want. And just know that you're still figuring it out too. Like there are so many times where I'm like, oh, I really messed that up. I responded the wrong way. All right. Yelled. I shouldn't have. Like there's so much, like you just can't beat yourself. Like you're like, your world is trying to figure it out. Right. So live a normal life. Everybody does it differently. What we choose work for us. And there are times I still even question like, ah, do we

make the right decision? And you know, like, so you ask, you do question even yourself, right? But I will say for me and Danielle, uh, we kind of made a conscious decision to expose them to the world and like, you know, post photos of them and like do projects with them and, and it wasn't so it was just so that they could feel included in our life because what happens at dinners and other things is we get interrupted with our family time all the time by people. You know, we're eating dinner as a family in a restaurant. I'm sorry for interrupting. Yeah, yeah.

Exactly. And that's fine and totally cool and I'm grateful to meet the family that came to 15 shows across their childhood and it's incredible, I wanna hear those stories but I'm having a conversation with my daughter, right? So it's like, that's and it's incredible, I wanna hear those stories, but I'm having a conversation with my daughter, right? So it's like, that's where it's tough.

But, so we've tried to include it where it's not a deterrent. It's not like a bad thing, right? Now Alina's like, I'll take the phone up, you know? It's like, she's a part of it. And like, so it's not weird and we do it the best we can. That's great. Yeah, even if people, as Kevin said, might have disagreed with how he was doing it

in the beginning, like those are two of the most well- That's a great decision too. Those are two of the most well-adjusted girls I've ever met in my life. I mean, like, being in my like, you know, Nepo baby adjacent side of seeing like growing up in LA and growing up around kids here in LA that were under similar circumstances to me

or to Alina's kids, seeing them just be like such normal, well-adjusted kids, we were just there, it was insane to me, just coming from the background that I have of growing up with the people that I grew up with. Are you sensitive to the Nepo Baby conversation? I am pro-Nepo Baby. What do you mean by pro-Nepo Baby?

Well, there was that article came out, like, you know, whatever. Which was, that article was so great for us because it came out right as our first season was coming out. It was such great advertisement for our show. It really was. Listen, I mean, there's two sides to every coin.

I just, I have a lot of friends in LA who maybe have famous parents or whatever. And I just think, like, I mean, there's two sides to every coin. I have a lot of friends in LA who maybe have famous parents or whatever, and I just think, I mean, I don't know you, Franklin, at all, but I feel like you almost have to overcome more. Certainly you might have access to certain things that other people might not have, but I'm not aware of many celebrity nepo babies or whatever, siblings or parents or otherwise, who have made it,

who don't also have incredible talent. At the end of the day, I think talent wins in this town. And work ethic wins. And I think- I agree, you meet families, you see families all the time that there's many children or siblings or whatever from a very talented, someone's very talented in that group.

Not all of them do it, you know what I mean? It still takes the work, it still takes the drive, and Franklin has it, and it's awesome to see. Also, he took his time figuring out what he wants to do. Yeah, I think, in my opinion, I think I try and be as conscious of it as possible. I mean, it's something that I've been blessed with a position where I have so much access,

I have so much opportunity that other people don't have. I mean, I just get to host the show. And I know that going in, and so I know I have to work harder. And I know I have to earn the position that I'm given so freely, which I'm so grateful for. And I like to be conscious of it just because I know a bunch of people back in New York from when I was living there that like wanna be TV hosts.

And I just got a call one day and I got to host a show, right, and I think that that, so I like to be mindful of it and understand that like this is a very unique situation and, but there is something to be said of, you know, if you come from a family that is associated and, or in the public eye in whatever field, there is some level of, oh, I have experience

in this field just by proxy. I know of it, I'm familiar with it. But I think that in general, it's just something to be mindful of, but also not go as hard as say sometimes it goes. Yeah, I mean, like you said, privilege. We always wanna recognize whatever privilege you have. And if you have NEPO privilege, it's great.

But I hate the idea of the NEPO conversation where they immediately want to discount your talent or the work you put in as if the only reason you're sitting here today is because of a family member or whatever like that. And again, I know a lot of, I guess, Nepo kids who bust their fucking asses and have to overcome adversity.

And yeah, they get into rooms, but they have to prove people wrong because there's a lot of maybe preconceived notions of like, oh, of course, you know, whatever this. And I just, yeah, I'm so pro-Nepo, baby. Fair enough, fair enough. We definitely went through that in a different way too. Like it was interesting.

We were a band for a long time and then we got dropped by Columbia Records and we're making the music we were making and then went to Hollywood Records, which is part of Disney. Instantly, that's when people started getting recognized. It's like, oh, there's just another Disney band. It's like, no, we've been making this music for years by ourselves. There's always going to be a juxtaposition It's about how you continue for through that. I think that's what you're saying was So like talent or the hard work takes off. Yeah. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah

Are your songs on Spotify? Yeah. Yeah I'm gonna try to find the Bachelorette line. Oh yeah, it's in a song Hoboken is the one, Bachelorette. Okay. Y'all have talked about your love for reality TV is Love is Blind in your rotation. I mean, yeah, we're under kinetic. So of course, yeah.

That one's really, really good. I think Nick has said before that that is, I think the best. I think it's the best one. I mean, Love Island is, it's pretty good. But the stakes of the Love Is Blind, you know? Like when you are getting married on TV, it's a whole other conversation. That's serious.

You're getting married on TV and you haven't seen the person? It is fantastic. Yeah. And it's the same creators, Love Is Blind and Claimed Fame. Yeah, kinetic, kinetic, shouts out. Kevin, I have to ask, is there a conversation before each show whether Nick is gonna do his red dress?

You know, none. I think he's just been doing it now at this point. There was a time where he wasn't, right, with the audience, and there are times where he doesn't give it, but you know, it's not like he's not feeling the show. He doesn't. He fucking hates you guys.

If you were in that audience and they didn't do it, it's your fault. It's what they want. Yeah. Okay. I once saw you and your wife at Craig's, Kevin. Oh! Yeah.

Oh, of course. Oh my God, that's Kevin Jones. Of course it was Craig's. One time I stood behind Nick in line at Jones. And then one time I was in Chicago and saw Joe DJ. Wow. Well, why didn't you come say hi? I was, I was-

Because you were eating. Well, you were eating and I didn't want to be the person. I appreciate it. Although Craig's is a real like go up and say hi environment. I've been invited, I've been introduced to more people at Craig's. Craig's a great friend of ours. Yeah, I feel like if you're eating at Craig's,

you have, it's like, you have the right to go up and, like you're at Craig's. I can't do it. Craig's is a communal space. It's not a, like I hang out more with the people that I didn't know were gonna be there at Craig's than the people I went to do. You came with, yeah.

Yeah, that's true. What's next for you guys? Just hanging out, vibing. No, I've been doing a lot of writing lately, which has been great music-wise and just sort of focusing on whatever the next project is, which has been amazing. And I love doing this show

because it gives me the, this pays my bills and then I get to go do my art that nobody listens to. No, no, no, no, no, that was meant to be lighthearted. It didn't come out that way. Do you need to talk about this? Do you want to look at yourself the whole time? He's on the couch again and he went into therapy mode.

Yeah, exactly, put me on the couch, I'm up there. How does that make you feel? So what age are you when you're saying that? How long have you and your girlfriend been together? Two and a half years. It's serious. Officially. But we, yeah, it's serious. We moved here together from New York

and that's been like an incredible journey together to do. She's in studio. She is in studio. We're making icons. Yeah, I keep looking over there at her for like bachelor names that I can't remember. She has a whiteboard. She's sign language-ing me. Have you always been a big fan of the Bachelor franchise?

She has. Yeah. You got Franklin into it. Is that why you guys watch it on your first date? I was into it before her actually. And she, so the, how it goes was that she slid into my DMs. Same. Whatever.

Oh nice. I slid into this. Nice. Okay. Girl boss. Girl boss. What did she say? You wanna be best friends or like wanna hang out?

And then we just started talking and she's like, what are you doing today? And I was like, oh. Writing music for no one to listen. Yeah, exactly, exactly. I said, I'm just getting ready to watch Bachelorette. And she goes, no, you're lying. And I was like, no, I'm about,

I mean, I'm just like a dude in New York. Like I don't, you don't expect like, you know, just a guy or whatever. That shows confidence. Yeah. you don't expect like, you know, just a guy or whatever. That shows confidence. Yeah. To just be like, I'm about to go watch the Batch rep on myself.

I've found that it is only a positive reaction in my experience prior to you and Anna dating. It was only positive. Oh, so it was a lie. No. No, no. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's get back to the story of High Fall. Yeah. We're talking about today, guys. Ah. Yeah. High Fall is endless. Yeah.

No, yeah, so, and then she said, I forget who invited over first, but we just said, let's watch it together, and then the rest was history. Who was the bachelorette? It was Katie. Oh right. Yeah, Katie.

It was Katie. Classic, classic season, classic vibes and then a year later after I had written this song including the the lyric about Bachelor. Oh, the lyric is a Bachelor didn't air on Monday whatever will we do. Now I got it. Wow, that's a that's a strong line. Thank you. That's not just like, we love a rose.

Yeah. That is false. No, it's specific. It is niche. He's good at writing music. It is a niche thing. And then a year later, I was hosting a show after it's Bachelorette.

And we got to watch the next Bachelorette season with my show coming on afterwards, Claim to Fame. Wow. How strange and serendipitous is that? Kind of iconic my show coming on afterwards, Claim to Fame. Wow. How strange and serendipitous is that? Kind of iconic. Serendipitous, I love that movie. It's a good movie. It's a good movie.

Classic. It's a good movie. Well, John Kesec for ya. Do we have any more questions for Kevin and Franklin? I have something for Kevin. I met you 2019 because Sarah opened up for you at Madison Square Garden with blanking on his name, Dr. Phil's son.

Jordan McGraw. Jordan McGraw. Yeah, and then Sarah opened up and then we all went to a sports bar and y'all were eating chicken wings and I have a picture of you and Wells eating chicken wings after the show. Wow.

Yeah, Sarah and Wells are amazing and I felt so bad we couldn't make it to the wedding, but it was like, yeah, thanks for the invite guys, by the way, I appreciate it. Nick, yeah. Would you have come? Would you have come?

Nick wakes up from the couch. Would you have come? I would have come. We'll do it again. Anna, would you have come? No, she definitely would have come. No, that's right. It's good to see you again.

Yeah, no, that was a great, it was the Master Square Garden shows on that, on the Happiness Begin Story, yeah. It was so fun. It was great. see you again. Yeah, no, that was great. It was the Master Square Garden shows on that, on the Happiness Begin story. Yeah, that was so fun. Yeah, well, well, what did she say? She just said she's never been to a wedding. Oh, she's never been to a wedding. She's going to her first wedding

to Nick and Katie's wedding this year. Oh my gosh. You guys would have been her first wedding, but whenever it's fine. Drop the ball again, Nick and Natalie. Yeah, we'll do it again. Just for Anna, it could just be a private, a little four person ceremony.

We'll renew our vows next week or something. Hell yeah, I got a backyard. Hell yeah. Thank you so much for taking the time and coming and let us hang out with you guys. Yeah, thank you guys. The show is Claim to Fame. It's on Hulu and ABC.

So make sure you, well have you have ABC but Wednesday nights Wednesday nights 9 p.m. Eastern Standard Time so check it out also check out Franklin's music it's available on Spotify. Also check out Jonas Brothers. Yeah check out the Jonas Brothers. They're pretty cool. They got some hits. Yeah where's your your next? Where's your next? Are you guys sold out? Are we still are we still selling tickets for the tour? You're probably good You're probably good The hum... You're probably good. Yeah. You're probably good. Don't need the help.

Well, you guys should come to the next show. Next time we're in the town, you guys gotta come. We would absolutely love to. We would be honored. We'll travel. We'll come to your... We won't come to Calgary, but... Calgary's tight, dude. Calgary rules. Have you ever been to the Stampede?

Have you ever been to the Stampede, Nick? Guys? I don't think so. Is it a bar? No, it's like a rodeo. No, Calgary Stampede is like the week and a half long, two week long music festival that goes on in Calgary. And it's like if a stage coach in South By

had like a crazy Canadian baby and just took over the city, it's unbelievably fun. I've always wanted a crazy Canadian baby and just took over the city. It's unbelievably fun. I've always wanted a crazy Canadian baby. Same. That's awesome. Who is y'all's favorite artist, quick, before y'all. Like musical artist? Oh man.

Not the Johns Brothers. Probably, I mean, honestly, I've listened to their music more than I've listened to anyone else's music. What a supportive brother. I mean, that'd be hard. I mean, I could say a lot. Oh, right now McGee's pretty up there. McGee, new Clero album's amazing.

I've always been like, Clero's like my top three. I'd say number one is probably gonna be Radiohead. I'm like an emo college boy. So, yeah. Who's your inspiration, Kevin? Who's your big? Number one guitar inspiration. I think just all the way down the line,

just musically to touring, to just fun. Like Coldplay always still just stands out as the one. I went to a Coldplay concert on crutches once. Whoa. Grow up. Worth it. Walk it off. Anyone on crutches as an adult needs to grow up.

Have you ever been starstruck, Kevin? Yeah. When I was younger, I saw John Mayer, who I idolized to learn a lot of the early guitars that I did. It was, you know, we're talking, I think, like 22 years, 22 years ago, 20 years ago. And this is like Room for Squares,

Three by Five, all of those kinds of songs. And I think Daughters was just about to come out. Um, but all of those songs saw him at some industry event, didn't say hello. Uh, and I regretted it so hard that I actually said to myself, okay. Uh, make it packed with yourself that if you ever want to talk to somebody, just walk right up and talk to them. And I did that for the rest of my career. So thank you, John Mayer for giving me the confidence to talk to random strangers.

That's what I say to Nick. When we saw Drew Barrymore at an event, I said, you have to go talk to her. I was very nervous and awkward. Drew is the sweetest. She did give him her phone number, but I don't think ever responded. Never responded.

Fake out. He is like the sweetest. It's like it's 911. It's unbelievably, never responded. Fake out. She is like the sweetest. She's like it's nine, one, one. It's unbelievable and she's just so incredible. Oh, she was so sweet. Yeah, I think she just thought I was a fan. I mean, I am a fan, but like. Anyways, Franklin, Kevin,

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That's files is 64,000 message and iterates may apply see terms for details Well, how about that Franklin and Kevin sweet guys the Jonas Brothers are really just a wholesome family I really just you know when you meet people who I've been famous for so long and they just seem so normal It's always like very endearing. Well, you know, we've all met a lot of weird celebrities. You know, they're just don't act normal. Yeah. And they're very normal family, very charming.

We love them. I did have like a jump scare when I saw Kevin pop up on the zoom screen here, just because like the Jonas Brothers were like the thing when I was in high school. Like they still are amazing. But like when I was in high school, like we had their posters on our lockers. Did you have a big Jonas Brothers fan?

For sure. I was like, I mean, I think them on Camp Rock was Fanny Flutters for us all. But Nick was, you know, I think as, I think Nick was definitely the heartthrob. I feel like as we get older, we realized that like Kevin and Joe were probably more the heartthrobs, but I think. Why do we realize that?

Well, I think we just get older and we, you know, like. Our taste mature. Yeah, I think they're all really good looking. I was gonna say too, I feel like age wise, you're like, Nick is closer to age, like Joe is like the like hot older brother that's like fun to fantasize about, but like probably won't happen.

And then you think Kevin's like so much older. And then like. I always thought that Joe was the younger of the Jonas. He's the middle. He's the middle. Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah.

Speaking of people we love, everyone loved Brett on the Vile Files this week. And it made the, why did he go home week one question even more confusing for me. He had so much fun with us, he played around, he joked around, he seemed like a good time, didn't take himself too seriously, like he seemed like he would be willing to like

talk about stuff, not freeze up on camera. It's just like, why did they cast this guy if they were just gonna send him home night one? He was so much fun, I don't understand. I loved him. I don't understand. I love them. I don't get it either. He definitely, I feel like he could have changed the show in a great way.

Like I feel like we'd usually don't see a lot of humor or lightheartedness within the guys and I feel like he could have changed that. Yeah, it's just, it doesn't, I haven't ever, I haven't asked the producer or any producer why, but there's gotta be a reason. He stood out. Yeah, and it's a shame he didn't get to share

his Monopoly story with Jim. Well, he shared it with us. If you haven't heard it, it's a very sad story. I think one that's very relatable. And so if you haven't listened to Tuesday's episode of Reality Recap, just bring the tissues is all I'm gonna say when it comes to bread. It was very deep.

Yeah. All right, love the island USA time. The heartbeat challenge is the best challenge. You liked it better than hobby horse? I thought it was hilarious they did the hobby horse challenge only because of the hobby horse girl. Yeah. Yeah, it's a real thing.

Do you think it's a real sport? I think so. Cause I've seen that there's conventions. I like multiple people will go to can be. Yeah. Do you think they should do one of my favorite movies, best in show. Which is like a documentary style movie

of the world that is dog show people. And I feel like hobby horse people are like of the same ilk and I would love to see a best in show version of the hobby horse community. Do you think hobby horse is an athletic sport? Well, clearly it takes some athleticism. Okay. Are you saying you want them to like dress up

their hobby, their horses better and like make it like a best in show type thing where like their horse. I mean, in terms of like the best in show movie, I want the- You're saying there's comedic- Like a judge. Purpose of it, yeah. Yeah.

But I mean, is it a sport? I mean, if you're competing, what defines a sport versus a- I think it's athletic ability. They're hopping over hurdles. We clearly have to. Oh, for sure. And Cordell and Serena crushed it.

Everything Cordell and Serena touch is hilarious. I mean, like when he brought that lisp to that heartbeat challenge, I was crying. It was so fucking funny. He got everyone's heart rate up. Ladies always talk about, like, I love a guy who makes me laugh, and Cordell, he had the most hearts racing.

No one's done that. And I think it's because he was making them laugh. Like, the laughter part probably raised the heart rate. Obviously he looked great, he was sexy and blah, blah, blah. But it's fascinating how it really is the laughter that gets your heart racing the most. I also love that he's like a dancer. Like he's a really good dancer too.

So it's like he didn't have to play on that. And the fact that he used his comedy as like what actually sucked everyone in. We're like, he's amazing. I'm sorry. Does this challenge exist every season? Yes. Yes. It's doing too much. We were like, he's amazing. I'm sorry. Does this challenge exist every season? Yes. Yes.

It's doing too much. No. It's doing too much. Like maybe I'm not conservative, but I was like, they're grinding on each other in front of their partners. Like in my head, I was like, none of y'all actually love each other.

Every season. No, why is no one talking about the fact that Danielle had kissed Cordell? I thought that was out of line. She was the only fucking one who did it. And Serena wasn't even like, she just said, did she just kiss him? Like it wasn't even a conversation.

It wasn't even like Danielle, what the fuck are you doing? Nobody cares, yeah. That was bizarre to me. Yeah, and then on her exit, which we'll get to talk to Daniela later in this episode, she did like apologize to Erin, which was I thought a little confusing. Is she apologized to both of them?

It seemed more directed towards Erin, which I thought was a little weird. For kissing them? No, just for like, you know, coming in between Erin and Kayla. Oh, when she left, when she left, right? Yeah. All I have to say is this heart rate challenge,

Leah and Rob, they, I mean, come on. She said you still have the hots for me. I will say it. Come on. I will say, Leah, when you first brought up the possibility of Leah and Rob getting back together, I thought you were nuts.

And clearly it seems like the producers are at least. Teasing. They're entertaining the idea. Which is kind of fascinating because like, all the conversations about Leah and Rob possibly getting together, like what's so great about this show is we, you know, this is all going on in real time and Leah and Rob probably have no idea if like fans are sipping them or not, if there is like this. Well, I think that the producers are definitely trying to get Leah and Rob back together. I think they want the, I think they want them to at least consider it. Yeah.

Between. back together. I think they want them to at least consider it. The finale is this weekend. That's like the last potential storyline that could happen that we would give a shit about, right? Yeah. Well also, in the heart rate challenge, obviously Leah takes his temperature and says, I think Rob still has the hots for me. And then the way he looks at her

is just like the way that you look at someone when you're in love. And then she moved on and you see Aaron mouth to Rob. He mouths, you were made for each other. I saw that. What did Rob do? He kind of like looked at him like what? Wait no, and who was the person that made a comment

about Leah that was like, Leah still has like feelings for him? Well, Jen and Serena were talking to Leah about it. And then also Aaron and Rob had a conversation about it. And Leah's never like hid her attraction towards Rob. It was Rob who left Leah and kind of gave, you know, I said, I didn't trust you, fucking around with her and kind of, it seemed like-

Said the chemistry wasn't there. Yeah, so we never denied Leah's interest in Rob. It's just more like would Rob, to me, it wouldn't make sense for Rob to all of a sudden act as if he's in a relationship with Leah. I don't say I've come around on Rob. I've liked Rob for a really long time now. But yeah, he really has surprised me.

I think what I like most about Rob, and I say the same thing with Miguel, it's like Rob doesn't seem like he has to be dishonest or lead people on with his feelings. He can be very direct and like he seems like he's a very considerate person when it comes to dating. I don't feel like it's an act. I think there's so many guys like Alaa Aaron

who think they're supposed many guys like Ala Aaron who think they're supposed to act like they're falling in love or play the role of a boyfriend, only to be like, my feelings have changed and really fuck with people's emotions. And Rob really has been consistent with like, he might come across as aloof or hard to get to know or maybe at times, standoffish, but he won't lead you on. He won't fuck with you. And he will have the tough conversations as soon as he's not feeling it. And I don't, I think, sadly,

I don't think a lot of guys are like that. And I feel like Rob is. What did you think about Daniela's reaction to Rob being honest about their relationship? Human, I think it was, you know, I think it's, what do you mean? Because she said that, because he said, if I was you, I'd want to know, right? And I think it's, what do you mean? She said that, cause he said,

if I was you, I'd want to know, right? And she said, no, actually ignorance is bliss. And I'd rather just kind of keep it the way it is here. And then I think about the future later. I mean, it definitely makes it seem like she's there just for the show. Yeah, it gave, I don't want to leave Love Island and let's just like keep this thing going until the end.

And then we can never talk again once we get out. I don't fault her for that. I didn't take it as like, oh, I'm just here for TV. Everyone there's having a good time. Everyone there is bonding. It's like summer camp for adults. It's truly a once in a lifetime experience. So I don't fault anyone for not wanting to go home.

And to me, I took it more, it's just like, I don't know, I'm not overthinking it, you, who knows, you know, he lives in Alabama, she lives in Miami, like there's a lot of reasons why none of these people are gonna work out and she's just like, please don't break up with me on national television, which is, I mean, a human response. I don't think it's that Machiavellian, you know,

I don't think she was like, I just wanna, I don't care about you and I just want the followers and the fame. I really believe that she felt embarrassed. I'm curious to see what she has to say later. Well, we left this episode, like the, Kayla and Erin and Cordell and Serena and Nicole and Kendall all get to like get family videos,

but Kayla's mom spoke. Yes. She posted, where is this? Is this on Instagram, Facebook? I don't actually know where she posted it. It looks like a screenshot from Facebook. It looks like Facebook, yeah. Well, what did she, I think this is interesting.

And as a Love Island expert, are the parents' messages because again, this is filmed in real time, are they always positive or sometimes is this family's opportunity to reach out and say be careful Worn in the UK version at least the people like when they get to the end Their parents and family members come to the villa. So it's like an in-person and everybody gets it It's not a competition where it's like who wins a video call It's like everybody's family comes and there have been times where like the family sees,

you know, somebody, a different side, they're watching the whole show live. And so they're coming and they're being like, what the fuck? And they have a conversation about it. I mean, I'm curious to know what Kailer's mom is responding to, but someone, she said, I'm going to try to say this with grace.

I think Erin has a great personality and I'm grateful for the fun times they had, have together during this experience, but once Kailer sees the show, there will be no consideration for a relationship. Friendship, yes, relationship, hell no. Kailer is not as weak as the show makes her look. She doesn't take any shit, excuse my language,

from anyone, especially not a male. She demands respect and if they don't show respect, she's easily done. That's why I have to pick my jaw off the floor when watching the show. She has never swore in front of my husband or I, and therefore we had to get adjusted to her F-bombs while simultaneously watch her pain and him not give a shit.

That's a seething. You mean that we haven't heard our daughter swear before and she's iconically known for the, fa, Karen. To me, that's just more like, I think maybe you don't know your daughter as well as you think you might. Which is, I mean, listen,

I didn't swear around my parents, you know, for, I have a sailor mouth, you know what I'm saying? So knowing that is a surprise that Kayla swears. Do you think Mama Kayla knows her daughter well enough that she in fact will break up with Aaron when she sees this stuff? Clearly Mama Kayla has an opinion. She's gonna almost certainly be like, you can't.

She probably will, I'm guessing she'll tell her daughter that she looks foolish staying with him. Or like something like even like more insidious like I just don't recognize you while I'm watching you. Like this isn't you. Like I feel like when parents say things like that, you're like. Who am I as a person?

If I'm Aaron, I'm throwing this challenge. Like why did he wanna win this? Cause he wants to see his family. He doesn't think about other people. I don't think Aaron is a bad guy. You know what I'm saying? I don't think it is a bad guy. You know what I'm saying? I don't think it's a sinister thing. I actually thought this was maybe his best episode

last episode. Kayla was very upset that they were in the bottom of the fan voting for relationship and she was obviously thrown off by it, like trying to get in her head, why don't people like us and things like that. And Aaron was like, yeah, it's my fault. It's because of the shit I did.

I've made Kayla look bad. You know, it's not her fault. And honestly, that was the most self-awareness he seemed to have shown all season. And honestly, for the first time in a few episodes, I was like, you know what, good for him. You know, I was, I was really, it gave me the slightest bit of hope

that maybe there's an adult in there. Well, because he's so self-aware, that's why I'm thinking, like, why would he want Kailer's family to send a video message? He's not thinking about Kailer. He thought about himself. He's thinking about himself seeing his family. I think, honestly, in that moment,

that is all you would think about. Yeah, you're not being like, oh, I'm gonna get exposed, or her parents have been watching the whole time. Yeah, I really don't think, I mean, because to that point, Aaron knows that in a few days, this is all gonna end.

Right. And people are gonna, whatever he thinks Kailer doesn't know, he must know that they're all gonna find out. I just, I really think Erin, it doesn't register, his actions don't register. I think it's been mostly a lack of self-awareness.

I don't think he's demonstrated much self-awareness at all. I think last episode, that was the surprise. It was like, oh, okay, well, maybe there's a little bit of reflection there, but I don't think he thinks it's all that bad. Yeah, maybe not. But I think it would be amazing.

I really, I want either Nicole, I actually have softened in Nicole and Kendall. They actually seem pretty fucking compatible. Like they're, like they're, they don't think, I don't know if it's their, they're not being shown, we're not being shown that as much. I agree with you. Also, they named my two favorite movies.

Like, their favorite movies. That's also the most, like, common favorite movies. I mean, like, to say Shawshank Redemption. And Good Will Hunting. And Good Will Hunting, yeah. They're both just like, they are great movies. They got good and basic movie choices. I would pick those as well. Yeah, they're both just like, they are great movies. They got good and basic movie choices. I would pick those as well.

Yeah, same. I do think her saying you're everything to me in bed when like cameras aren't on, I think maybe like, it felt like mics were off, maybe that like somehow got picked up by something, but that felt extremely genuine. I don't doubt Aaron likes Kayla. I don't doubt he cares about her. I don't doubt Aaron likes Kayla.

I don't doubt he cares about her. I don't even doubt that he is gonna give what he thinks is his best effort to make this relationship work in the real world. I just don't think there's a chance in hell when he flies back home and he's single, not single, but famous, that he's gonna have what it takes

to make a relationship like that work. Yeah, I mean, Kayla's already imagining their life outside of the villa because she has this whole plan to expose him to Trader Joe's frozen yogurt and pretzels. Which you maybe wonder, what's the one thing that we would want to expose a non-American to if they came here?

Natalie's a Chick-fil-A. No, I told you all, I've moved on. It wasn't as good. Maybe it's just better in the South, you know? LA's not doing it right. What would I, probably like sweet tea, bold peanuts, fried okra. What about you, Nick?

I was gonna say dente fun. Merck's spread cheese on Ritz crackers. Oh, wait, cheese, what kind of cheese? It's called Merck's. It's terrible, it's not even real cheese. Is it like cheese whiz? In a plastic cup, a tub. I feel like all the things you just named, Natalie,

I've never even tried though. Yeah, that is like more of a Southern thing, I guess. You've had sweet tea, no? Never had sweet tea? I mean, I've had sweet tea. You hate it. I love it. Okay, well. No, no, it's okay. Bold peanuts? No, I wanna try.

Did you have bold peanuts at the wedding? Of course I did. Did you love them? I loved them. Did you try the fried okra? I was actually quite jealous that your mom brought peanuts to the lake or whatever. And I was like, okay, cool, back to file files.

I know, I know. Truly next time, now that I know my mom can do that, every time she comes out to visit, I'm gonna make her bring bold peanuts. Well, you have to get the peanuts. You can't find those type of peanuts here. Yeah, you have to get raw peanuts. Travesty.

Yeah. I mean, either way, Kayla is imagining, I think she has full intentions on being with him outside of the villa. Oh, yes. That's the real ITV show I wanna watch is the conversation. Yes, mom and Kayla sitting down and her convincing Kayla that this is not your guy.

And I just feel like she's gonna be very resistant to that. Now if she sits her down and starts a like episode 12. Well, I wonder if she doesn't like seeing her daughter cursing on TV what she thought about the heart rate challenge. Who are your favorites? Miguel. Miguel with the hand in the fire on the throat.

That was wild. That was crazy. He knew exactly what he was doing. Do you think he's a stripper? Miguel? I don't know, but I hate his devil tattoo in the middle and that made all the sense to me all of a sudden. I was like, all right, let's do it.

I would never have thought of that. It was like genius. Did y'all see Cassie like go to Harrison and then be like, yeah. Yeah, they have, what's the drama with them? They were both on last season. I can't remember who Harrison was with. I don't remember there being drama between them,

but maybe after, cause she dated the guy that she wanted. Something's up though. Cause I saw that too, she like skipped him. They might just be like too good of friends. Or like intertwined. Yeah, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like,

she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's. They're making out, it's whatever, we did it. And then Cassie walks in and they were like, fuck this chick. Plot twist. Yeah. They do this a lot during the heart rate challenge.

They bring in a bombshell. And the first thing they have to do is this. Aaron obviously watches the show and everything cause he goes, they're bringing in a bombshell, they're bringing it. And he's like, it's Cassie. And I was like, how would you know? Oh yeah, he's a big fan, big fan.

Big fan. Aaron has done his homework big time. I didn't like his reaction though. When Rob was saved and Harrison had to go home, he was just like, too much about it. I was like, there are three people going home and you're like- You're saying for Rob. Yeah.

Cause he hugged Daniello and just walked off. Like didn't say anything to Harrison or Sierra. No, no, no, talking about Aaron, it's like reaction to Rob getting to stay. He was like, yes, yes, like jumping up on the couch while three people are going home, including one of the women who he brought on. Which again, it just speaks to the lack of seriousness.

Again, I think he's well-intentioned, but like incapable of being in the type relationship he thinks he is. And at this stage of the game, let your boys go home. You'll call them up later. There's literally less than a week of filming left. And for him to get that excited when ultimately all he really needs to be doing

is focusing on Kayla and making sure like she's happy and there's something there. It's just like, it's not, even when she even said to him, you're more happy that Rob stayed than Weedon get kicked off. And Erin was like, yeah. Like he was honest about that.

I've, Erin and Kayla, or got kicked off. I just want to, if Rob would have, I feel like Rob would have been like, all right man, see you later. Like, you know what I mean? And Erin's over here like ready to like sob or like jump off the couch, whether he's staying or going. I don't think Rob would have that big of a reaction.

I don't, I don't. I don't think Rob has big reactions. I don't think Rob and Erin are gonna be that close or friends a year from now. It did make me wonder, after they leave the villa, who's DMing who first? Texting. Or texting. But I feel like Erin cares more about Rob

than Rob does Erin, right? Yeah. Well, I think Rob, he seems like a really sincere guy Yeah, really does but I think for whatever reason Aaron has bonded with Rob more than like I think I don't think Rob needs that Friendship as much as Aaron. No, I think Rob has like his own situation like at home I don't know if you look to social media and whatnot with his family very tight knit that I'm like and and Aaron's making a career out of Reality TV shows so I'm also like I feel like Aaron will be on another show in the next couple of months and Rob will be here, happy,

successful, enough. In his house with vintage art, you know? It sounded really cute, not gonna lie. With Leah on the couch. Yes. Here's Chris. This is our fantasy. Who do you think is gonna win?

Serena and Cordele. Yeah. Unless. Or Jenae and Kenny. Jenae and Kenny. Unless. Unless Lee and Rob get back together and then they're gonna win. Well, I don't think the game that they played recently

did any favors for Jenae and Kenny. No, cause Kenny's heart didn't. Not only that, no, I'm talking about the, what are they called? Mr. and Mrs. Yeah. Yeah Kenny's heart didn't. Not only that, no, I'm talking about the, what are they called? Mr. and Mrs. Yeah, like the match game or. Yeah, but all their questions were like based around everyone else, wasn't it?

Weren't they? From what they saw. Who do you think is? Yeah, those were shady questions. I thought, yeah, I was like, who wrote these questions? Who's the annoying person? This is not who knows each other the most. It's like, throw your partner under the bus. Who do you think is the most annoying castmate

in the house? Well, I'm glad it went there, cause that would've been way more fun. It definitely would've been boring, yeah. If it is the most annoying castmate in the house? Well, I'm glad it went there because that would have been more fun. It definitely would have been boring. Yes, it was just like, what's your favorite movie? But I feel like Mr. and Mrs. should be like you two knowing each other. Yeah, agreed. Not like how much shit have you talked in this house?

But I think knowing each other is also knowing like who each other would hate. If I said some shit to my partner and we're playing a game like that and my partner goes, she said this one I would be like fuck you, bro Sorry, that's a good point. You know what I mean? I'm like you're throwing your part You're being forced to throw your partner under the bus about what their negative opinions about other people are not about like oh What's your biggest pet peeve about him? It's oh, I can't stand Kayla. She's the most annoying like cool start drama for no reason

Do you think even if Rob was like, wants to consider Leah, I don't think Rob, Rob at least gives the vibe that he doesn't give a shit really about the money. He's happy to go home. How much money is it by the way? 100,000 split between two. Split between the two. It's not insignificant, but I think that he gave up

on his winning Love Island a long time ago. Yeah, and so he's clearly close with the two. Split between the two. It's not insignificant, but I think that he gave up on his winning Love Island a long time ago. Yeah, and so he's clearly close with the boys. I just like, and not that I think that Miguel would be all that devastated, but like, that's the thing where it's just like, I don't really understand, like, we heard from Liv that Miguel and Leah have a pretty great relationship. And I know she was kind of toying with the idea

and the girls are like trying to convince her, but I don't see Rob being all that willing to get messy for her. I mean, maybe I'll be wrong. I think it's also gonna depend on what happens with Cassie because she's new and could talk to Miguel. They could have a connection. No, I don't see that happening at all. I think she's gonna stick with Rob.

She knows Rob. I don't think they're gonna win,. I think she's gonna stick with Rob. She knows Rob. Like I don't think they're gonna win, but I think they're gonna hold out as long as they can. I don't think Cassie's gonna go for any other man. Yeah, I'm just, I'm not saying, I don't know. I'll just say it'd be fun to be wrong, cause obviously that would be, at least in a intriguing storyline.

I'll be pissed if they win though. Rob and Leah? Yeah, it's just, to me that would like make, it would lower the meaning of like, there's already the only criticism I have of Love Island is the, those low stakes. There's no like, yeah, I get together, don't get together. You know, there's engagement, marriage,

you know, things like that where it's just like, holy shit, these people are really all in. Like we, we finally got to the whole like, oh, you know, they're still falling in love in Love Island, just like they do in Bachelor Nation, where it's just like, holy shit, these people are really all in. Like we finally got to the whole like, oh, you know, they're still falling in love in Love Island, just like they do in Bachelor Nation, where it's just like, okay. Like I honestly, when they started saying that, when Cordell and Kendall like had that conversation,

I was like, oh yeah, we really haven't heard that word, like love. You have Sierra, Serena rather, saying to Cordell, like I don't even wanna like call each other boyfriend and girlfriend, I want us to save that for the real world and which makes total sense and totally respect that but if for this for the sake of the show it just makes how you kinda leave inconsequential and so if robin and leah after like not being together since the very beginning and in rob like er said, is on like his seventh relationship. It's just like if they win, it's just like that makes the winner that much more. It's a

popularity contest because it's like two good-looking people, not because of a connection or anything like that. And it would just take away the meaning of winning when there's already very little meaning already. And that's why I hope it doesn't happen. That's because you don't think they like each other. If they liked each other, why aren't they together? Why do we have to have producers make it a thing? We're freaking out, Leia's freaking out because Leia is just like, you still have these little one-liners and there's a couple of conversations,

but in reality, what is there between them? What has Rob done to show any regret when it comes to his decision? Andrea has been gone forever. We forgot she exists. I don't know. Well, maybe we'll get some answers from Daniela, who joins us next, who recently just left

and would love to know why she apologized to Erin more than Kaylor and does she think there's any hope for Leah and Rob? We'll see. Hello, hello, Daniela. How's it going? Welcome to the Vilehalls. Are you still in Fiji? Yeah.

I'm not able to watch anything yet or see anything or have my phone. No, you don't have your phone back yet. So you're really, you're kind of still like in the villa. Crazy, crazy, crazy. So I guess like maybe the first question is, is like how, what was this experience like for you? Like net positive, net negative, like overall, what is your takeaway as you talk with us in this moment?

I didn't find love, but that's okay. I think I'm deserving of love and I learned a lot about myself and I'm growing from this experience still even coming out of it. For sure. How surprised were you when Rob kind of gave you the 411 that he wasn't feeling it? I had a feeling. It was a little weird, honestly. A week feels like a month in there and you share the same bed with somebody, you talk to them for hours, you only see like clips of conversations

that at most like five to 10 minutes. And there's a lot of things that, a lot of conversations me and Rob had and a lot of things that he did that definitely didn't show. Like what? That same night, I was tired. It gets really draining in there. And he was like, oh, like,

why you're not gonna keep me up tonight? And like, yeah. And I was like, unless you want me to. He's like, yeah, of course. And he was telling me how he loves seeing me without makeup and how he loves seeing my freckles. He loves my brown eyes. We talked about our family for like an hour

and we were getting like intimate and- When you say intimate, what are we saying here? We never did anything like that. How many bases? What base are you rounding? Second base. Okay. Second base. And I feel like I wasn't trying to do much either because obviously we're in national television. For sure.

And I'm not like that either. But then like the day before he got me a bunch of seashells from the beach and it's like here because you're a mermaid. And like the day before that he like got me like he we were in soul ties and like he made me a bracelet out of the pillows from soul ties or anklets. I mean, he said he really liked me, but at the same time, like I know we're very different people and we are in very different like faces in our life. And I think the pressure also of having to have something out of the villa with all the new couples that are progressing so much. And we talked about that too, that it's a little difficult to not feel the pressure of having to move forward and having to move faster.

And I think that definitely had something to do with it. And I know I did and we talked about it. It's also confusing because the day that I left, he pulled me outside for a chat before I left and he was like, I was kind of excited to go back to like the hotel and watch movies. I understand, but also to a certain point, I feel like I was a little just confused by like his actions and words and- I guess, do you feel like Rob led you on a little bit,

unfairly? I don't want to say led on. I mean, I definitely felt a little bit like a pawn in their game. I felt a little powerless in there. When you say there, are you talking about Robin Aaron or? In the villa and with the boys, yeah. I felt a little bit like a pawn in their game.

And I felt a little powerless because I always felt like the ball was in their court. I tried my best to be vulnerable and tried my best to be as genuine and open-hearted about every situation and everything that was happening in there and I think that's the most I could have done. Totally. You created a lot of waves with coming in for Acasa More

with the villa with Erin. I thought it was interesting when you left, you really apologized to Erin. That's how it came across. I don't know, and I was curious as to why you seemingly apologized more to Aaron than Kayla as if like, because from our standpoint, it seemed like Aaron was more responsible for what went down at Casa more than you. It's just like the bombshells. It's seemingly your job to figure out a way to get into the villa. So don't fault you at all for,

you know, doing what you have to do, pursue your relationship at that point, you really didn't know, Kayla, et cetera, et cetera. But I'm wondering why did you feel the need to apologize to Erin in that moment, given like everything that happened? Again, you only see a little eclipse. I like to have so many conversations with Kayla.

I never really got to have a conversation with Erin just because out of respect from their relationship and also with everything happening in there, you don't get to talk to everybody. And I wanted to kind of try and put that in the past, especially after being in the villa, which meant probably not the best idea to have a conversation with Erin.

Me and Kayla had multiple, multiple, multiple conversations. And even though I know in my heart, like I didn't do anything wrong, it still sucks being in the middle of a relationship and almost feeling a little bit like collateral damage. I felt horrible just because like from my morals and it sucks seeing their relationship and seeing them in the bottom and it felt like it was partly my fault. It's like that's not a great feeling at the end of the day and I apologize to both of them. I don't know what you guys might have seen. I still don't know. Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. But I'd then say Aaron tried his best and Aaron was open to the CASA experience just like everybody else and what you're supposed to do in there. And that's not real life.

And I know he would never, never do that to Kayla in the real world. Like truly Aaron is one of like the most genuine people I've ever met. And he has such great morals. And that's one of the things I did like about him, because we have very similar morals and I hope he's not taking too much heat for it. Well, we don't blame you at all. We, you know, I have have high things to say about Aaron, but we think like he's the one who should be responsible

for his relationship with Kailor, not you. Would you, knowing everything that went down between you and Aaron in Casa Amor, despite you having a lot of conversations with Kailor, and you're not Kailor, so maybe you guys make different choices for different reasons, but if you were Kailor, knowing everything, because we don't even know everything that happened at Casa anymore, but you do, would you have taken

him back so easily like Kayla did? At the end of the day, me and Kayla are different people. Me and Aaron's relationship is very different at the end of the day. I'm never going to understand their relationship because I'm not either of them. So I think that's a very big important thing to think about. And I think Taylor truly loves him. And I know Aaron truly loves her. And I know he's been, I think he tried to take the experience as much as possible. Did he maybe go a little fast? Of course, I can say that. But that's also kind of how things go in there where things feel really fast paced, no matter what. I've been at fault for taking a man back in the real world after he did me very wrong.

So I would definitely obviously give him the benefit of doubt and the chance to try and make it up, especially in a place like Casa Amor and in the villa where it's not the real world at the end of the day. And you are there to try and, you know, test your relationships and he tested it and he realized that Taylor is still the one. If given the chance like outside of what happened in the village just like based off of your experience at CASA, if you were given the choice would you have stayed in a couple with Aaron or would you have paired up with Rob? With Aaron going in there at least to CASA, that was the last person I was going to talk to.

Whenever anyone asked me anything about it, I would always be like, oh no, like him and Kailer, they seem like they have a very strong connection. And also I didn't expect me and Aaron to have anything in common or like have really great conversations or anything. Going in there like he pulled me for a chat like the first day and we both didn't think it was anything like that. It was more of like oh let's make the Cosby girls feel comfortable, let's have a conversation this and that and we ended up having a very deep and long conversation and it was a really good conversation. He was very much a sweetheart and I I was like, wow, it took me by surprise,

to say the least. And I had other conversations in there that day. And they were all very surface level, one including with Rob. I did have a conversation with Rob that day, and it was very surface level versus me and Aaron's conversations, very deep and like long.

And I felt, he felt for me for a lot of things and I felt for him and we had a lot of the same morals. So I think that's what kind of put us together. Also, his speaking Spanish definitely does, like obviously helps. But, and we're both very like, like one of our languages are very much like physical touch and we're both very lovey-dovey people

and very energetic people. And I feel like it was very easy with him. Like it was very easy to be comfortable around him. Okay. Do you think he would have stayed with Erin given the choice? At that point, I just got into CASA. Like I was trying to be as like,

given my 100%, given my all, try the fight or like try and it my all, try the fight, or like, try and, you know, make the relationship work and see if there's anything actually there. Do I think there was actually anything there with Aaron? No, at the end of the day. I think we were meant to be friends, and I hope we can be friends for a very long time.

But I think me and him, at the end of the day, are very different when it comes to how we would be in a relationship. I think the same thing with Rob though. I still do like Rob a lot. Like it's hard not to. But he was definitely one of the people on like top of my list when I got in there.

It's just like, he makes me very nervous. Like going in there, I couldn't even look at him in the eyes. Really? I mean, I get it. Like the first day. Those eyes are gorgeous. The girls get it. I mean, I get it. Like the first day. Those eyes are gorgeous. The girl's getting, I know the girl's getting, he's a fine man. But with Rob, I never know what would have happened

in the real world, you know what I mean? It's very different. It's such a different experience being in there versus like in the outside world. Do I think I would have ever talked to Rob in the outside world? No, but that's also because I'm a very nervous person and I think I would have never had the guts

to actually talk to him. Gotcha, yeah, yeah. And definitely Rob doesn't seem the one who's very aggressive or approach. He definitely likes the ladies to come to him. What made you kiss Cordell during the Heartbeat Challenge? I think a lot of people were like, what the fuck? She's on her way out, if we're gonna kiss anyone,

we're gonna kiss Rob or whatever, but the most taken man in the villa who already had his own drama. I don't want to get into Serena's bad side but like all of a sudden you just laid one on him like what what what was that all about? So to say the least I was a wreck um after like the conversation with Rob and then we had to get ready for the heart rate challenge I'm like oh my god what do I do like I literally just basically like I'm single now in here I was also the last one to be able to pick my outfit and I'm not gonna lie I've never seen a ringleader in my life like I don't like

I think circuses are wrong and I was like okay whatever like it was either that or like being a golden angel and like or like a couple other things and thank God I didn't do that because Erin was that like it was a that or like being a golden angel and like or like a couple other things and thank god i didn't do that because aaron was that like it was a lot of things the heart rate challenge is not easy you're going in there and you have to be like hot and sexy for all these men it's very easy to black out out there i had a couple things i wanted to do and like we were obviously all the girls talked before and we were trying to figure out what to do and like being i guess like the ringleader is like being the master and like taming them, whatever. So for Rob, they were like, Oh, like you should smack him a little bit or whatever. I smacked him very hard.

They didn't show that. It surprised me and it surprised him. And after that, I kind of just blacked out. I did not mean to hit you that hard. Like, I'm sorry. He didn't mind. Like we talked about it. He was okay.

But, um, like after that, I think everything I had planned out the window, I was like, oh God. And I think after just kissing Rob, like, I don't know. Wish I knew, I think I was still blacked out. I was like, what did I just do? Like, I didn't mean to smack him that hard. I guess I just ended up kissing Cordell. And I was like, what did I just do?

Serena didn't care. She was like, it's fine. Like she didn't care at all. I mean, it was part of the Kiss the Heartbreak Challenge. So, some of the girls were asking, we're gonna kiss anybody before then regardless. And I didn't think I was gonna, it just happened. I think out of literally feel like blocking out

after doing that. Before I left, I told Cordell like, sorry, that's the way I came from. All right, so we're like a blade on the nerves. We just have one more question and that is, when you come in as a bombshell, are you given the option to watch the shows? Are you required like, or is it kind of up to you

how much you wanna prep yourself or be aware of like, what's been going on in the villa? So, I mean, I came in as Casa, you don't get to pick where you come in. They just kind of, you know, see where the puzzle fits. At least going into Casa, they did show you everything. And Fiji, you don't have peacock. So regardless, we can't see anything.

They come into the room and they show you basically everything or like whatever, whatever is like the last thing that you can see. Every single person that came into the pillow watch, everything before it. I have one more question real quick. In the heart rate challenge, Rob's heart beat the most for Leah.

What do you think about their relationship? Do you think Rob still has feelings for her? I think she did an amazing job with the heart rate challenge though. And I think she did like, she really, she did her big one. Oh yeah. Out of anyone, I'm glad that it was Leah that his heart like raised the fastest for him.

Would you support them getting back together? I ship them before I got in there, I ship them. So I think they're very cute. Do I think anything would happen there? I think a lot has happened. I do think she really likes Miguel and I see their connection a lot stronger. That's what people keep saying. Her and Miguel's personality goes very well.

I feel like also Leah likes the security of like a man actually showing her that he likes her versus it's like with Rob, it's kind of ifs and buts. And I think she would pick Miguel any day of the week. All right well Daniela we appreciate your time. Best of luck, safe trip back to the States. We've enjoyed watching you. Thank you so much. Thank you guys. It's a pleasure. All right take care. Likewise, pleasure's all ours. Well that was great, Daniela. Yeah. Daniela. You know I think she's a little nervous, a little nerve. I'd be nervous to watch back the season too.

I get why her and Rob didn't work. I had an Olympic takeaway. I could see why her and Erin would work though. Better than her and Rob. It's hard to, yeah. She thought Rob was hot, that much we got. Yeah. All right, well, we appreciate you guys listening.

Thank you, Daniela, as well as Franklin and Kevin Jonas. We will be back on Monday for an electric episode of ASNIC and as well, boy, we'll be talking the Love Island finale on Tuesday's episode of Reality Recap. We've got some great episodes lined up coming down the pike. Can't wait for you all to listen. See you then. Bye. You