The Viall Files - E780 - Love Island’s Finale w/ Serena and Kordell, the Bachelorette, and Updates on Sandoval’s Lawsuit

Episode Date: July 23, 2024

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From MHP and radio pictures my name is Harry Houdini I have been able to unmask every case of communication from beyond the grave that I have taken on but not the first one Santiago Cabrera C bongole Malambo Ian Anthony Dale and John Goodman these people are evil in college hindsight the day before Now playing on your favorite podcast app What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another electric episode of the Valve Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host Nick joined by the household and boy do we have a big week lined up for y'all. That's right.

First of all, congratulations to Love Island USA's winning couple, Serena and Cordell. Yay. I wanted them to win, same. I think we all did. We do get to talk with both of them later this episode. We're excited to have both of them. They're still coming down from their high of being in love. They are maybe my favorite reality TV couple of all time

that I've watched fall in love on TV. Like I believe in their not just chemistry, I believe in their compatibility. I feel like women across this country watching Love Island were all like nudging their boyfriends or husbands or fiancés and be like why don't we laugh like that you know you know I'm saying why don't we have that much fun and like to see two people on reality TV when we're so used to and often wondering why are they there?

Are they doing this for the deals? Are they just leaning into the relationship? These two just like feel so connected. I love it. I'm rooting for them. I'm excited for them all. I mean, all the couples were great. We'll talk about more about Love Island USA

later this episode, but we just wanna give them a big congratulations because we love them and we'll talk with them later. Arleah is at a doctor's appointment. She is days away from having a baby. And she'll be with us, I think maybe later this episode. Yeah. Well, if you were flying this weekend,

I hope that your mental health is hanging in there. Whether you are flying, whether you work for an airline, whether you are just at the airport. It sounds like everyone across the country who entered into the airport or talked to an airline had a really bad week. And we just, we want to pour our hearts out to all those people because like, what happened?

Like the internet shut down or something? There was a Microsoft outage that a lot of airlines, like their systems were Microsoft. So when there was like an update that was accidentally forced, it like shut down all the computers. So in hospitals of airlines, like their systems were Microsoft. So when there was like an update that was accidentally forced, it like shut down all the computers. So in hospitals and airlines, and I'm sure everywhere else, they couldn't even use it. You know, what was that movie that Sandra Bullock came out with?

Was it Sandra Bullock? No, that was a different... Don't Look Up? No, that was a different end of the world. The one with the like the house and the planes were crashing? Yes, and all the tech was just like end of the world. The one with the house and the planes were crashing. Yes, and all the tech was just like, we got hacked. Like how close are we to that? That seemed like the most realistic doomsday. You know, all the zombie apocalypse ones,

like maybe that could happen someday, I don't know. But like our internet going down and everyone having no idea what to do seems eerie, believable. It's like, that's a nightmare. I think for anyone we experienced it with Chambliss, my best friend who's supposed to come into town Saturday morning and her flight got delayed. So she was going to miss her connection in Chicago and she still flew to Chicago. Like, Oh, they'll put me on the next flight, whatever like this happens.

Well, of course every flight out is booked or has already gone. and she still flew to Chicago, like, oh, they'll put me on the next flight, whatever, like this happens. Well, of course, every flight out is booked or is already gone. So she has to stay the night in Chicago. And there are no, when I say I called, well, first I called Marriott and I said book any hotel in Chicago. Like it can, if it's the nicest hotel, I don't care,

but like, let's just book her a room in Chicago. Not one available hotel. All of O'Hare area Chicago and downtown Chicago hotels sold out. Sold out. Because all the flights were rerouted? Don't know, don't know. I don't know if there were some major events

going on in Chicago, or it was just like half of all the airlines. Or, you know, Chicago's a major hub. There's a lot of connecting flights. A lot of people seem to miss their connection and a lot of those people seem to need to stay the night. Did you have to sleep at the airport? No, I found like a courtyard Marriott,

some it was like in like the suburbs. 80 miles away from Chicago. It wasn't the Ohio area, we found one, but it just, it wasn't like, oh, there's a bunch of options. I was going on the app trying to book a hotel and every time I would click it, it would say it was sold out and I'd go to the next one and it would say it was sold out.

It was always like, it was all happening in real time. It was- And then she's like, so she's standing at the airport and she's, you know, I'm like, okay, here's your hotel. Like I found it, I booked it, you're good. She's like, Uber's crashed. Of course. Cause everyone's trying to get a fucking Uber

out of the thing. It's just like that, that is honestly, there's nothing that stresses me out more than- A flight. Just like the shit that happens and like, you know, when, and no one really gives a fuck. Which like, understand, like it's, you know, I get it. Like this is your job.

There's nothing really you can do, I guess. Chambliss is sobbing, like talking to the luggage people because they lost her luggage. And she's like, where? Like I'm in Chicago for a night. I don't have anything. Like where is my luggage? And she's like upset obviously.

And the woman's like, you're a big girl. Like you can figure it out. And it's like those types of people. It's like everyone's having a bad fucking day and I get you're probably in a bad mood, but like let's just give everyone some grace. Let's not like. Because they probably couldn't really help anyways.

I think everyone. Because everyone doesn't work. I feel like everyone from people from customer service to the working at the counters, to the flight attendants, to the passengers, everyone was at their bowling point. It's just that person probably got off the phone with 70 other people screaming at them.

You know, it's a tough situation. I saw the line at LAX, a girl I follow was going to Nashville and it got delayed like nine hours and she went to go talk to like the desk and it was a five hour wait time to talk to the person in line. No, see. I think of the hospitals,

cause I saw a lot of nurses posting that their systems are on Microsoft, so they weren't able to give medicine or access patient work or get medical records. They literally had a system. That's scary. No, it's scary. We're too reliant on these systems.

Why don't we have these redundancies of when they go down? Why don't we have on paper? Like an option that's like not electronic. A sign in sheet. Yeah, with Sharpies. You know who I hope doesn't have travel plans is Kayla. Because Kayla will be with us, she's flying in. She'll be with us tomorrow for a major episode

of Going Deeper with Kayla. So many unanswered questions with Kayla, so many. So many. I think she's still there Erin, they seem in love. She has been posting some TikToks, her Instagram got turned off over the weekend, it's back up now, but then Erin did a Q and A and it seemed like, you know, Erin.

Not thinking. Not, Erin thinking about Erin, maybe, seemed to have a hot mic moment with Kailer. Which I feel so bad for because we don't know what the conversation was. Or the context. Or the context, all we heard was her friend,

definitely wasn't Kayla, her friend saying stuff about Leah and it's like, it's so fucked because everyone's gonna blame Kayla for it and be like, and get mad at Kayla. And it's like, she didn't fucking do anything. Like she's just on the phone. She's like probably upset about like being sent home about like whatever. Friend having her back.

Her friend trying to like make her feel good. It's just like so unfortunate. I just hate shit like that. It just goes to, I can't wait to talk to Kayla. I mean, we're big fans of Kayla. She has the iconic, ah, you know, she's like the ladies of this season has what made it so popular. Oh yeah.

Like the authenticity of the women, their friendship, the connectedness. I think some of the guys were great. You guys all know I'm fans of Rob, but the Rob and Erin, I think even Rob, as much of a fan of them, it's like, is this an act or is this who you are? Are you familiar with how the cameras work

or is this who you really are? With Erin, we have the same questions, you know? And I think Aaron, my biggest frustration is like, it's not that he is a bad guy or whatever, he doesn't care about Taylor, it's just that he seems to at the end of the day be most focused on Aaron. And just that, the having the hot mic moment,

to not think or just re-listen, knowing that your girlfriend's on the phone in the background and you're just recording a Q&A and don't have the common sense to just make sure people aren't talking in the background. Mm-hmm. I will say it is crazy that she was faintly talking in the background.

So for the phone to pick that up, I think that's insane, you know? Well, it was obviously on speakerphone, which is even more fucked. True, yeah. Yeah. You know what I don't do when people are on speakerphone? which is like even more fucked. True, yeah. Yeah. You know what I don't do when people are on speakerphone?

Start recording a video. Yeah. For social media. That's true, yeah. I just, yeah. She's clearly like needing to be gassed up or upset or whatever. So I'm like, that's also where I'm like,

this is the time you want a Q and A instead of like, I don't know, during the conversation. And I feel like I know how this conversation between them went down. All of a sudden, Aaron started getting panic text messages from friends and DMs, being like, holy shit, do you realize Kailer's being recorded on the other end?

Kailer's like, Aaron, why'd you do that? And Aaron's like, I'm sorry, whatever, it's not a big deal, and completely downplayed it and didn't let Kailer be mad at him for more than two fucking seconds. Oh yeah, he deleted them. That's what I'm worried about for Kailer be mad at him for more than two fucking seconds. Oh yeah, he deleted them. That's what I'm worried about for Kailer. It's not that he's a bad guy or he doesn't,

he's not gonna try his best to make the relationship work. It's just gonna be a relationship focused around Aaron and Aaron's needs. I don't know, we get to talk with Kailer tomorrow. We'll find out. The fact that as soon as all of these people get off of the show, they're doing a Q and A, it's just like, hilarious.

Every single person. All of them. The second they get their phone back. They're like, oh, time for a Q and A, what tea do you want spilled, who can I put shit on? You know who's on my For You page on TikTok all the time now? Kane. Oh my God. Kane, he makes a video a day.

He's running out of his mouth. Oh yeah, I mean, I saw him post something about, like there's a smoking section, I guess, on Love Island that's like at the front. Some of them are smoking, yeah. Which like, he was like, there's a smoking section, I guess, on Love Island. That's like at the front. Which like, he was like, there's just like nothing else to do, so we were just all like kind of started smoking. Cigarettes or the jewel? The jewel is what he kind of alluded to, yeah.

I wasn't sure. I saw somebody with the vape. Well, when we were interviewing, some of them interviewed with a vape in the background. When they thought the camera was no longer on. Some of them were hitting that pen in the background. Yeah. When they thought the camera was no longer on. Some of them were hitting that pen, you know? That's crazy. I was living my Rob era this weekend.

So I went to this place called the Gentle Barn. Do you know what that is? No. And it's basically the sanctuary, like in the middle of the Valley where it's like a hundred degrees, it's very dirty. But like, anyways, that's why I think it's the Rob. I was in the dirt hugging cows and like emus, chickens, turkeys, and I was like, you know what?

I'm Rob. Where is this? And I need to go. Palmdale-ish area. Is it Palmdale or Pasadena? Okay. It might be on the way to Pasadena. Yeah.

Cute. It was cute. Recommend. Were you wearing overalls? Yeah, were you wearing overalls? I should have. I was wearing denim. Cute.

And I saw a lot of cowboy boots. And I was like, Rob. Did Rob wear cowboy boots or just the overalls? You don't know a lot of cowboy boots The rubber cowboy boots are just the old rules You know, he was in the dirt grabbing snakes. He wore cowboy boots. I have a question how regarding Love Island I'm like, how do you think these cast members cuz like mind you they've been isolated for what a month a month and a half Haven't had their phones. No connection to the real world the month and a half, haven't had their phones, no connection to the real world. Obviously, Twitter, social media has a lot of opinions

on each cast member. Like, what do you think the right protocol is for them to be able to assimilate back into society, getting their phones back, seeing them being topics of conversation, and it's not this like safe bubble that they've been in for the past month and a half? You know, that's an interesting point too,

just because I've never covered a show or been a part of a show where, you know, it's essentially aired in real time. It's borderline live. It's like what, 48 hours behind. Meanwhile, like we are watching these shows while they are still off the grid, having no idea what people think about them,

which is on some level better for when they're filming, you know, so they can kind of be disconnected from that. But you're right, they get off the island and they get their phones back and immediately they have no idea what they're about to face. And I really am curious what preparation the show does with them or like what conversations

they have about, you know, know just the once a fan base gets really intense you know whether it's Bachelor Nation, Love is Blind, these are intense Bravo Nation, these are intense fan bases and these fan bases aren't really big on respecting boundaries or privacy you know they want to know every little detail of these people's lives many people want to find dirt on them like there's always a group of fans that always like wants none of these people's lives. Many people want to find dirt on them. Like there's always a group of fans that always like wants none of these people to be like good, normal human beings who like are just out there looking for love on TV.

You know, there's a group of people who want to prove that they're just for the fame or the intention or the money. And I don't know, watching last night's finale, like you know what, I don't know if any of these couples are going to make it. You know, even Cordell and Serena, like I love them, I believe in them, but every relationship's hard. In real life, relationships are

difficult, but you know what I do believe? I believed in every one of their speeches. I believed in what they said to the other person in real time. I believe that they were all genuine about their connections they felt with each other. I really do. You know, regardless of why they showed up in the first place, regardless of anything about them, they all seem like genuinely good, decent people. Perfect, probably not. Flawed, absolutely, but nice humans.

And it's unfortunate that these people will get off the show and go online and have to face bullying. Yeah, ridicule. Ridicule. It's like they need to be handed their phones back with a licensed professional. Yeah. And like they like can get on their phone,

like go to Instagram, go to Twitter and like see everything with someone there who can like, I don't know how that could actually work, but I feel like having someone to be like, okay. Because I just feel like handed your phone and being rushed with all of these opinions of you and like everyone has done something in their past that was embarrassing or cringe

or like something you just like, ooh, you know, I was young, I was stupid, like, ah, gross. And if that was like recorded and then played for everyone, like that would be a little jarring. And so I think to like come off these shows and then like see stuff that you may be done in the past that like these people have like dug up, I feel like it's so cruel and so fucked up. And yeah, I think you need to like be with someone

who can help walk you through that when that does happen. It's kind of like with Joey, when he came on the show and they were talking about how Bachelor set them up with like couples counseling or whatever to be like, all right, you're going from an unrealistic environment into the real world. Let's give you some tools to be able to simulate back into society with this like,

now all of a sudden you're recognizable. Now all of a sudden people think they know you and they don't. I was on TikTok and I saw somebody posted, Leah's house, yeah, that it was like, cause she's like from Calabasas or whatever, grew up in a mansion. But it was just, but like people,

I appreciate the comment section cause the comments were like, this is, you're weird for this. Weird behavior. This is unstable. Yes. Like people pulling up shit from five, 10 years, like even the whole tweets thing, it's like, yeah, that's like a terrible thing that you,

but it's also like, let's, these people were kids when this happened. It's like, I feel like people hold television stars to a higher standard than what they would hold themselves to. That's a percent. You know what it is? Is that like, we always talk about too, also big week guys, we have Hawk To A Girl on,

for a really recap on Thursday. Different but similar, like Hawk To2AGirl if you, everyone knows about her but here's this girl who was out at the bars in Nashville one night got stopped by someone doing the kind of man on the street videos and she said some incredibly hilariously funny things about like how to give a guy a

blowjob a handjob or whatever and she is now a viral internet sensation has hundreds of thousands of millions of followers, there's like tons of like meme accounts, like she is blowing the fuck up. And it's just like whether you're on reality TV or you're a hoctua girl, I think like what people, what you're given is a lottery ticket.

You know, it's this lottery ticket that gives you like unlimited access to like almost any room that you can get into. I think a misconception is, it's not a lottery ticket that like money, right? It's a lottery ticket of access. And then you get put into rooms with a bunch of people who are more familiar with how that room works.

And like a lot of those people in those rooms try to take advantage of you. But I think for the fans out there, everyone's a lot like, why are you deserving of this lottery ticket? Because the premise of reality TV is that like, we're all just, again, and we are, like normal, Kayla, just girl from Pittsburgh. Maybe she can sing, maybe she can dance,

maybe she has a bunch of talent we don't know about, but the perception is we're all just these talented people who are undeserving of this lottery ticket. I think there's a lot of crazy fans out there who are just like this expectation that they're supposed to be these flawless, perfect human beings and these people you know, and these people who aren't looking in the mirror,

like thinking about the shit that they've done are acting as if to be deserving of this opportunity, you have to be perfect and if you're not, you deserve to be called out for it. And it's like, it's so fucked. It actually is so fucked because it is one of those things where I'm like, we all made mistakes, we've all done things

where I'm like, I'm grateful that like, I grew up in a time of my space and Facebook But it was digital cameras had to upload not like hey instant story here and this could haunt you for the rest of your life I'm like people make mistakes. So I'm like throwing that back in their face as if it's like well you chose to go on TV So now I'm gonna take this instance from you five years ago. Also acting like they did it yesterday You know, yeah, and you don't know the circumstances You don't know why somebody did what they did or why they felt the way that they did. You don't care, but it's easier for you

to tear somebody down because you don't like that they're on the high horse for a minute. Like let them have their 15 minutes. Let them have that. I did see Leah's at one million followers. Yeah. She's the first out of the whole cast. Congrats.

That's awesome. So she did go from nothing to something. Period. As she should, she earned it. She was great television. And I have no problem with Kailer's friend talking a little shit about the castmates of Kailer because she wanted to gas up her friend.

Every one of the cast people from Love Island are gonna have a moment where they feel unloved or not as popular as they hoped or whatever. And every person in Bachelor Nation or Love is Blind or all these shows, you know, these are all people who showed up for LA TV. They all have egos, they all have a desire to be the biggest star

and whether that is the case or not, like they're allowed to have these moments and not be recorded by their boyfriends. Every single one of y'all, I know every single one of us in this room has been showed a photo of your ex's new thing. And you're like, and your friends are like, she's not even pretty.

Like she's not, she has like terrible, her teeth. She's terrible style. And she's like probably like not funny at all. Like everyone. And she's a model. Yeah, she's probably like the most perfect thing ever. You're like, oh my God, babe. Like you have nothing to worry about.

He's coming back to you. Like don't fucking worry. So here's Kayla probably on the phone feeling a little insecure that like she got voted off with Erin hoping that everyone was in love. And Kayla's being like, no one's gonna love us, they think I'm stupid for taking Erin back, and everyone loves Leah, blah, blah, blah,

and so her friend was probably like, no, I don't give a fuck about Leah, gassing up her friend, and yeah, people are gonna blow that out of proportion and make a such a thing about it. I think it would be different if we heard Kayla being like, Leah's this, Leah's that, Leah did that, like calling her names,

talking shit on Leah, but her just being like, she's gonna get brand deals or she's gonna get like, where's the crime? There is a world that, like what we didn't hear though was her talking shit. Maybe, but we also don't fucking know. Exactly, exactly, true. Yeah, but they all, that's a thing I say

with absolute confidence that they all will and have talked a little shit about each other. She also could have been like, I love Leah so much and she's just perfect and stunning and everyone else loves her and friends like, listen, babe, no one's gonna give a fuck about her in six months. That could have been the context.

No one has any idea what Kailer said and she's gonna catch so much heat her in six months. That could have been the context. Like no one has any idea what Kaylor said and she's gonna catch so much heat for this and I just feel so bad. But it doesn't really matter what she said, I guess is my point, is that like, it's not fair that she was recorded this way. I wish Ery would have had more consideration or thoughtfulness about, you know,

especially if any one of these people, he has experience of being on reality TV and coming off of reality TV. I've made mistakes, I've had a hot mic moment fresh off of reality TV, it was a terrible situation, it fucking sucked, and I didn't know any better. But I tell you what, after that fucking shit happened, boy, you learn quickly, you learn that you need

to be careful about your surroundings, you learn about just double learn that you need to be careful about your surroundings, you learn about, just double check you before you post anything. Aaron should know this stuff, not Kaylor. And it's just like, to me, it's just another sign that he's not as thoughtful about Kaylor's needs and how things affect her as he is about himself. Well, speaking of influencers,

did you see that a TikToker, assuming another TikToker, alleging that she copied her neutral beige and cream aesthetic and featured the same or substantially similar Amazon products promoted? Babe, this kills me. Babe. First of all, we all have a neutral beige cream aesthetic. Minimalism.

That's 30, 40% of Instagram profiles. That's fucking all of us. Also, the things on your Amazon storefront, you probably got from some other bitch. That's what I said, I go photo shoots. By the way, we use Pinterest for mood boards being like inspiration. High luxury fashion brands use mood boards from Pinterest to be like, hey, this is what I want our shoot to look like. This is the vibe.

Unless you're David LeChapelle coming up with an original, very hard to copy concept that is very obvious that another person stole your intellectual property. Beige and a plant does not constitute a lawsuit. The whitening strips on your Amazon storefront that she also added onto hers, like come the fuck on. I will say for this one though, they met and then she blocked her and then started copying her content. I don't doubt.

It's a little bit of like. I don't doubt that she probably did. This girl she's suing probably did copy her. But like Sierra and Nellie are saying, the girl who was suing the little girl, she copied someone else and she probably hasn't even realized it, she probably hasn't even thought about it. She did not invent a cream beige white aesthetic.

And I don't know why she thinks she did. Has she been on social media since it first came out? Yeah, was she the first person to link any of these products that she's selling online? Did she make the products on Amazon? Exactly. Are those poses that she's coming up with, are they original poses?

Like, on Ask Nick, I give a lot of people different advice. I feel like I'm coming up with different ways to say things about situationships, or fuckboys, or whatever. I doubt they're that original of thoughts. They're my thoughts and they may be original in my head, but I don't think I'm the first person to say things like, do you wanna be ready, do you wanna be happy?

You know what I'm saying? These are just different ways of saying things. It's like live, laugh, love, bitch. How many of us have said live, laugh, love? I have the tattoo, so I'm gonna go see Bed Bath & Beyond because they put it on a portrait. Right? Like, come on, you know?

I will say I had an ex once where before we broke up, I had this aesthetic of like high exposure, like grimy, you can't really see it's me, and like ratchet music on top. The second we broke up, stole the aesthetic. You should be flattered. You should be flattered. I was, but I was like, girl.

Or are you gonna sue? I should sue. You should be like,. You should be flattered. I was, but I was like, girl. Or are you gonna sue? I should sue. You should be like, wow, I'm so creative that they wanted, they thought they loved what I was doing so much that like they- They got rid of me and took the aesthetic. They got rid of me and took the aesthetic. But she's claiming she blocked her and I understand she could get a different account

and follow her, but like the fact that she blocked her, I don't think helps her case, does it? Couldn't the lawyer be like, I don't know, like my client's not that smart. I blocked it, I don't think helps her case. Does it? Couldn't the lawyer be like, I don't know, my client's not that smart. I blocked it, I couldn't see your content to begin with. She got blocked and she couldn't see. So how can she copy what she can't see? Sierra does have a point too,

that luxury brands do this too. Because I once worked on a YSL campaign shoot, and I kid you not, when they were making the clothes, they had the Coach bags, Celine bags, any brand you could think of that they were copying. That's what today's world is. That's what influencing is. It's pulling everything from something else

and trying to throw things together and make it your own. We see people take our ideas that we do on the show all the time. We've used other people's ideas. We try to always put our spin on it, but I am sure, you know, and I'm sure the people who we feel like have taken our ideas, I'm sure they feel like they've put put our spin on it, but I am sure, you know, and I'm sure the people who we feel like have taken our ideas,

I think I'm sure they feel like they've put their own spin on it, but we're always like, hmm, interesting post, interesting way of doing it. Interesting butt tricks. Interesting butt tricks. But like, yeah, like you just gotta focus on doing more and stop worrying about other people less.

And have original ideas. If you're upset about being copied, like do something different. Neutral cream and beige is not an original idea. I really do hate to break that to you. Throw a little hot pink in there, girl. Throw some hot pink in there. Make it obvious that she's copying.

All right, we got Sean Kingston and mom indicted in $1 million fraud scheme facing decades in prison. We talked about it like a few months ago, but it was Sean Kingston and his mom got arrested in Florida because I guess he was using like Justin Bieber's names to get like widescreen like wall covering televisions and cars and jewelry using Justin Bieber's name. That was one of the people they named. But basically, allegedly, he made false claims that they had executed bank wires and other payments for highend items like cars and jewelry, according to the attorney's office. But the state warrant said that Kingston and Turner, his mom, stole nearly $500,000 in jewelry, more than $200,000 from the Bank of America and $100,000 from First Republic Bank, and $160,000 from Cadillac Escalade Dealer make the people do deals, saying that it was for like Justin Bieber or something else so they would get rid of their normal practice of like screeners.

So it's like he's using his connections leveraging saying that he's like the middle man facilitating the deal. He's scamming for Justin. He wasn't saying I'm Justin Bieber and I need a TV. No, he's going and they're being like, hi, I need this, this, and this because so and so needs it. They give him the products, he doesn't pay for it. And then you have the bank on the other side that doesn't do the money transfer.

So it's like he's scamming both sides of the purchase. Wow, Sean Kingston. It always blows my mind when rich celebrities, you know, and celebrity can vary. Public figure that makes a lot of check. When they still participate in criminal activity, and you're like, wait, but you're rich, why do you? Like the fact that he did it with his mom seems strange.

My thing is like it's one thing if it's like keeping a roof over your head, not saying that scamming is okay, but I'm just like why the like extraneous need for jewelry or like TV, like things that would very obviously get you caught. Like if you're stealing food from the grocery store, steal it.

Like I get it. I understand. Necessity. You know, like yeah, you need to fucking eat.. I get it. I understand. Hard times. Necessity. Yeah, you need to fucking eat. I get it, sure. I've been there at a time in my life. Yeah, I think, but the fact that he is putting

a massive TV on his wall and going to Cadillac and stealing jewelry, it is like, what is this? For what? To look more rich? And bless you, Sean Kingston, I don't have a negative thing to say about you because I don't know you, but I'm also like, who cares? Like who's coming to your house and being like,

oh my God, he's got the new Cadillac. Literally, like who's being like, oh my God, is that Sean Kingston with the new 24 karat diamond necklace? I know you from Beautiful Girls in like circa 2008. Like. No, babe hasn't had a hit in years. It's not to come down on him.

I'm just saying like, what are you upkeeping? He's trying to stay relevant through his items. Yeah, but like scamming other people is one of the lowest lows. Just making people think they're spending money on something. Like is this for Instagram? Is this for?

The beige aesthetic. The beige aesthetic in a Cadillac? I don't know. Terrible. Speaking of also terrible things, Justin Long said that he shit his bed with Kate Bosworth in it. Why did he have to share this story? Oh my God, the way-

That's honestly- He said he had a bad case of food poisoning. For sure. Very valid. Which is definitely valid, but also I need to know what happened after. Did you wake her up and you were like, get out of the bed? Or did you let her like continue to sleep? Do you think he was like, oh my God, what'd you do?

Do you think he said, oh my God, the dog shit in the bed and pulled Amber herd? I like to think that he just like took the bottom sheet and just went shh. And like she like flipped and woke up and was like, what? He's like, oh, no, no. He did that magic trick where you remove the tablecloth.

I would, if I woke up and that happened, I would at least make an attempt at trying to have you not find out. I don't know if it's possible. Oh yeah, no, I'm taking scissors, I'm cutting around it, and then I'm like, I don't know what happened to the sheet. The sheet's cut in half. Like I usually wake up before Nellie,

she can be a deep sleeper. I would try somehow, some way to avoid her finding out that I, I shit the bed. But imagine waking up and Nick is cutting the sheets and you just see. That's even more like, what are you doing? He's like, okay, so we have that river in the bed. What's the most embarrassing thing you've done around each other? I mean, we haven't really. You're hiding it.

You're hiding it, that's why. Well, what did you kind of really mean? Yeah, we haven't really. I'm trying to think. There hasn't been a deeply embarrassing moment. I feel like embarrassing things that you do with your couple is like, Really? I'm trying to think. There hasn't been a deeply embarrassing moment. I feel like embarrassing things that you do with your couple is like, yeah, like bathroom talk

or like throwing up all over the place. You know, like things that like, I feel like those are. Yeah, I mean, when Natalie was pregnant and throwing up a lot, I didn't think she had anything to, it wasn't embarrassing. Oh yeah, it wasn't embarrassing. You know? I was like, I think it's usually just like normal stuff

like this, where I think it's like food poisoning, where it's like, you don't make me embarrassed. I'm embarrassed this is happening to me. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's not so much that the partner is making you feel embarrassed. Like I got food poisoning. Our second New Year's Eve, we were in Mexico and this, I had two bad oysters.

And then after midnight, they ran out of water and it's Mexico and like I was offered tap water and I was like, absolutely not. So I ran up to the hotel and the bathroom had a divider. I don't know why they do this in hotels, but it's like the bathroom has a divider so you can see into the bedroom and chat while you're getting ready. It's great when you're getting ready, not great when you got food poisoning. So I'm banishing Connor out to the balcony and I'll be like, I'll come get you, you don't come back in here. but like that's no privacy

It was embarrassing for me, but like the same time he didn't care He was just like out on the balcony in Mexico being like okay. Hope you feel better It's like that was it Izzy and Who the end up with love is blind where she like clogged the toilet on there And there was like no plum or plunger in the room and she had to like call down and she was like, you can't use the bath. Like that is giving nightmares. Yeah, Nellie and I have never had one of those moments, at least for me, where I felt like this overwhelming

embarrassment about this individual moment. But I do feel like there's a, call it my general confidence in myself or whatever, but like Nellie and I went from courting, dating, having great chemistry, we're a more sexual relationship, and then when we first started dating, I felt like this girl really likes me, and I just felt like she really made me feel

like she thought I was great. And when you know someone has a crush on you and they think you can't do anything wrong, and then you kind of fast forward, you've been dating for like a year and there's this moment where you just kind of realize that no, this person's been living with me for a year and all the little disgusting and gross things

that we all as humans do, like I just kind of realize that that's the person she knows as opposed to like thinking like she thinks there's nothing wrong with me or she thinks I'm great or she thinks I'm you know what I'm saying like that realization that you're you're dating someone and like they kind of see you for who they are. That's human. No I know but it can be a little like it can be a little like eye-opening you know. I do do that don't I? Like all right do they still like me? Like I don't know know. There's a little bit of that, you know,

or no, am I the only one who feels that in relationships? No, I feel like that's incredibly relatable. But I think you also like don't really have like shame. Like you will go- No, I do. That's the thing. It's like- He keeps it inside.

He's good at masking. Well, when you're picking your nose, there's zero shame. There you go. But again, that is kind of what I'm saying. I don't have, that's no, it's not a lack of shame. It's a lack of self-awareness in real time. The shame follows, right?

I'm like, are you picking your nose? And he's like, The shame is like, Oh, she knows who I am now. And then it's just like this, like thought of all the times I've probably done that where I was thinking I was getting away with it, but I really wasn't. And that's like, wait, do you still like me? You're breaking up with me, aren't you?

You hate me. Oh, no. So I have that general embarrassment of who I am as a person. That sounds awful. At least you're laughing though. Give me some reassurance now. I love you. I love you. You're perfect in every way.

Hold my hand. Thank you. Has River done anything embarrassing? Oh my God, every time. Like have you been embarrassed by anything River's done? Oh, she's an absolute fool. No, I honestly think, and I went through this with my niece,

where it's like when they, maybe when they first start talking, I don't remember exactly how old she was, but where they just have no shame and will ask a stranger absolutely anything. And I remember we were in the grocery store and there was a man and a woman in front of us checking out. And I remember she was like, excuse me. And the man turns around. She's like, that's a lot of hair on your face and it's gross. And what did he say? And he was like, oh, I'm okay.

And I was like, I'm so sorry. She, I like, I don't know where she got that from. I didn't say that. You know, you like start to like. I used to be that kid. My parents used to have to like sit me down and be like, you can't say stuff. They would prep me.

I know I remember conversations. I remember my parents have, I don't, my parents have, I don't even feel comfortable saying and repeating what I would point out and say to people. Just like, stuff like that, right? And I remember a conversation we were having, we were going to a family friend's house, and like we did not grow up with money, but our friends had less money, you know,

and they lived on a farm. And so I remember my parents being like, just so you know, this is what you're about to walk into. I was like five years old. So you can't say this, you know? And I used to be the kid who would just point and say, Mom, Dad, look at that, that is crazy. And it would be like someone just, you know.

Existing. Existing. I don't know if I fully grew out of it. You're gonna say the foreshadowing here is crazy. So I'm an embarrassment to my parents and my girlfriend and wife as well. Girlfriend. I wonder if River will ever do that. But right now she's just perfect. It is embarrassing when you,

or it's not really embarrassing, but it definitely does humble you when you are doing anything and everything to make her smile, and you're getting fucking weird, and she's just like... Try harder. Yeah, not funny.

You thought that was funny? Try again. You're like, okay. I wonder if Tom Sandoval has embarrassment. He should. He has called off the lawsuit. Am I the only one who believes his story, his version of the story? No, I believe.

We kind of suggested it last week that this was maybe a lawyer move. I know his biggest critic, you don't believe him, no. I feel like his excuse is too dumb for who he is. Let's remind the audience what happened. Last week, reports came out that he was suing Ariana. Despite Tom Sandoval being someone who we think at times does stupid things

and doesn't think things through, this even for us felt like, what the fuck are you doing, Tom? As Leia pointed out last week, even at the reunion, that was a place where he seemed not be willing to go. He was critical of Raquel for doing that to Ariana as if like, hey, sue me, but like keep Ariana out of it. So it didn't track.

And then we find out last, I think Friday or Saturday or whatever, Tom turned off his Instagram. His girlfriend turned off his Instagram, seemed like a very reactive move, you know, like a panic move. For someone whose whole business is online, for them to delete their Instagram is a panic move. For someone whose whole business is online for them to delete their Instagram is a panic move.

For sure. He was getting ahead of it though. If you think you have to delete your Instagram to get ahead of something that you don't have to do, then why are you doing it if your whole business is online? Anyways, Tom put out a statement saying, late afternoon, my attorney, Matt Garagos, whose advice I trusted, called me about the cross complaint and the lawsuit against myself and Ariana. He assured me that the action was customary and strictly preventative in these types of lawsuits and urged me to agree to it.

The words, new lawsuit, or suing, were not articulated to me. I should have done more of my due diligence on the matter. Upon realizing what the action actually means, I have removed Matt Garagos from my legal team. In no way am I suing Ariana. The action against Ariana brought on my behalf is being removed. I hold no ill will over the addictiveness towards Ariana. Now, by removing both the cross complaint and the attorney who recommended it,

I hope to get through this case quickly so that Ariana and I can both finally move on with our lives. So you don't believe him. I think he's dumbing it down, dumbing himself down. So what do you think happened? I, like I think obviously a lawyer probably said, this is what we should do, this will help the case, whatever. I don't think that he didn't know what a cross complaint was or that new lawsuit meant that he was suing Ariana.

Like I don't think he's oblivious to that. Why not? No, he's saying the words new lawsuit or suing were not articulated. So all he heard was cross complaint. He's like, hey Tom, I think we should file a cross-complaint. You know, this is pretty customary when it comes to lawsuits. It's just strictly preventative, you know what I'm saying?

It's just like not that big of a deal. We just should get on it. Even hearing that out loud though, too, I wonder if he thought the cross-complaint was going to Raquel versus Ariana, because I don't know what was articulated. For all the people out there who just, Tom's a horrible piece of shit,

and just to not believe anything that comes out of his mouth and assuming the worst in him, for those people out there, 100% of the time. Why are you looking at me? No, I'm just looking around. I'm just kidding. It's just, it doesn't add up where it's just like, cause last week we were trying, we were speculating, right?

Why would he do that? And the assumption was, all right, at the end of the day, he can't afford his house. Maybe he needs the money. I speculated the- Rachel might have a good case. Maybe this means Rachel has a good case and Tom's lawyers are like, hey man, you're broke.

Raquel's gonna cut six figures, you need the money. And he reluctantly went forward with the suit, knowing that this was the only way to get money. So that was possibly believable, but now we don't know what's gonna happen with Rachel's case. So I hope that it's frivolous, it gets thrown away, I hope she gets not a fucking cent of Ariana's money.

So we don't know one way or the other. But it's just more like, what did Tom think? That Ariana's fans wouldn't get upset? You know, like why drop the suit now? If you were gonna do this and you needed the money, him dropping the suit now, you have to believe that Tom is so dumb that he didn't think that this would upset the fan base.

And then once he realized that it did upset the fan base, his first reactive move was to delete his Instagram and then fire his lawyer and make a claim. And it's just like, well, if you knew how much they were gonna hate you. So if you were gonna do it, just he was gonna follow through. I could see that maybe it's a due diligence thing.

I just think like we've seen enough like lawyer scenes in movies, scandal, how to get the murderer, that I'm like, there's no way he didn't know that making this new complaint or cross complaint was not gonna cause that drama anyways. I think you'd be surprised how much, I have agents and managers and lawyers, and agents are kinda like lawyers

who didn't wanna become lawyers, but they still negotiate like lawyers. Most agents went to law school, and you'd be surprised how much I just trust them to do what they should do. And have the conversations that I'm like, just let me know when we're close. Cause you're like, they work for you.

So you're like, I trust that you have my best interest. And like, yeah. The only thing that where I'm like, I agree with Justin or like where the confusion for me is that I'm like, why delete Instagram? He could have turned his comments off, he could have just put out a statement. Why did you delete the Instagram,

then figure out what your next move is and then reactivate with a statement? You're right, it doesn't make sense, but the thing that, I know that it is a reactive move. Yeah, so you're saying out of panic? Yeah, it's just more like the only thing that makes sense would be like, he didn't know what to do. He was probably just getting fucking crucified online

and just like fucking deleted it. And was like, what the fuck is going on? I just have a hard time believing, even though Tom has made some dumb decisions lately, that he didn't see this coming. He knows how much people love Ariana. He knows how much people don't like him. And again, if you were gonna do it,

knowing that what people thought, then why would it be so quick to dismiss the case? Because you thought people would hate him just a little bit more? Yeah, with your logic, he would just double down if he actually had the intentions to do it. Yes, if his lawyers were like, hey man, here's an option, just you know,

like lawsuits are public, this is gonna get out, you know? Like, his lawyer, I just have a hard time believing, what amount of money would Tom have to be ensured that he is getting for him to follow through with that? I wonder if Matt Grogos is gonna get another client after this. I was gonna say, he was a scapegoat. I don't know.

Not great on Tom's behalf, but I tend to believe that he didn't see He didn't he probably didn't do his due diligence But I don't think he this I don't think this was a plan that didn't go the way he planned and now he's backtracking I just it yeah, it doesn't add up to me Well, I mean it is a tough time for Ariana because now chef penny is suing her and Katie Something about chef penny seems terrible go on suing her and Katie for something about her. Chef Penny seems terrible.

Go on. Well, because what I'm understanding is that Chef Penny owns the trademark for something about her. Yeah, that's part of it. Is that accurate? Yeah, and then that she was, she's claiming that she was promised like 10% of the partnership.

Maybe so, I don't know what conversations Katie Arianna had with Chef Penny, but like, Chef Penny, is it true that her husband is a lawyer? Yes. I feel like that's all I need to know about this situation is that Chef Penny was almost certainly brought into this situation because she did have the business acumen,

the restaurant experience, the sandwich experience that Katie and Ariana maybe didn't have. But what Ariana and Katie have that Chef Penny doesn't have, there's a lot of people with restaurant experience and business experience. There's very few people that have the influence and power and platforms that Katie and Ariana have,

which is way more valuable than what Chef Penny can bring to the table. But she brought her business experience to the table and then at some point probably went to Ariana and Katie and said, hey, I can get the trademark. But instead of putting in all three of their names, she only put it in her name. And having a lawyer as a husband, they would have the force to do that. And now that she did that to protect herself, now she's now suing Ariana because whatever conversations they had about their arrangement didn't go her way. It just seems shady.

It seems like very dubious. And unlike Tom Sandoval, who like again, he's not seems to be, he doesn't seem the greatest greatest guy, selfish and self-centered and all these things, but he's also like not very bright. And this seems like nefarious where she knew what she was doing, she got ahead of it.

She leveraged her knowledge and experience in the business world, and now she unfortunately has Katie and Ariana by the balls because she owns the fucking trademark over something that they could have done this with so many other people. Chef Penny wasn't the person who was gonna make this fucking happen.

And she came in and found a way to basically get leverage that she didn't have without this by not being honest with them. She made them feel like she was on their team by filing this trademark only to realize that she wasn't helping them out, she was helping herself out. And it seems really fucking shady.

When you flip it, it is shady. Because my first reaction is, from the show, we know that Lisa introduced Penny as a way to like liaison and give them advice, but then it kind of seemed like they screwed her over by then cutting her out and pushing her away and just moving on. But I don't know, maybe she had a, she created that protection for herself,

which is a little shady. Again, I have no, I don't know the conversations that happened when they all. Yeah, we don't. Figure shit out, but I've had a lot of similar conversations about potential businesses, ventures with various people. And I know one thing is that people say they wanna be involved and at the end of the day,

they always wanna get paid. And so I don't know what happened between these people, but what I assume is that they just couldn't get on the same page and agreed to disagree. And Katie and Ariana decided to go a different way knowing that they don't need Chef Penny to do this. Chef Penny can't do this without Katie and Ariana.

But between now and then she went behind their back and had her lawyer husband kind of fuck them over. And now because she has a lawyer husband and it just seems real fucking dirty. And she thought this through. It seems like- She got ahead of it. She got ahead of it.

I don't know. It just, stop suing Ariana. Yeah, leave Ariana alone. She made Love Island USA popular for the first time. How much credit do we give Ariana? I think a decent amount. I think it was an amazing season and I think it gave a lot of people-

I mean, I think a lot of people started watching because of Ariana, but I think the couples made it what it is. For sure. For sure. Shh, shh, yeah. Ariana is hosting the reunion. Yeah, there's gonna be. So people wanna see her on screen.

That'll be interesting. She's gonna take like an Andy Cohen spot. Yeah. That'll be interesting. She's been asked the questions for so long and now she's gonna be the one. Grilling them. Well, summer house news, Lindsay Hubbard is having a girl.

Her boyfriend found out the gender first, so while they were traveling in Europe, he organized with the hotel ahead of time to set up rooms and flowers in pink so that she walked in and was surprised and that was their gender reveal. That's cute. To each their own, everyone do it your own way.

I don't really give a fuck what Lindsay Huber does to find out her gender, but I do think it was really fun for us to find out together in that moment, for us both to be surprised. That was something I really cherished, but that's so sweet that they were obviously out of the country and he made such an effort and I saw the hotel room, it looked insane.

I like that she's with a a little romantic, you know? He's taking her. Carl would never. Carl would never take you to Europe and then be like, surprise. Be like, girl? That's what Carl would do. Question for you, not, so Lindsay Hubbard

has been criticized for partying while pregnant. What are your thoughts on that? She's not even partying. She's been at- She's out at- Summer house. Like clubs or day parties or whatever, obviously also doing her job. But what are your thoughts on being pregnant

and being out at events and- Why the fuck do I care what Lindsay Hubbard is doing while pregnant? Like why does anyone give, like, she's the one carrying the child. And if she's like, you know what, no, like I can go like stand, I can be around loud music, I can stand on my feet, I'm good.

Then why the fuck do we care? If she's drinking, then maybe let's be like, oh, I have a couple questions. But her attending an event with other people and loud music and dancing, that's a crime? Yep, but we're criticizing that, why? I just think people are just gonna have opinions. No, of course, but I think this is something I've always said.

I remember I got asked something while I was pregnant, and it was like, how do you feel about like people, parents who put emojis over their kids' face? And I responded with like, I don't care what any other parent is doing with their child. Like why are you all worried about how I'm parenting my kid? Parent your own children. Exactly, what's not for you is for you,

and what's for me is for me. Me, I'm gonna be milking pregnancy every day. I'll be like, I can't walk today. As you should. As you should. I can't leave today, could you sponge bathe me? I'll be doing it all. But if she wants to be out, and also it's her job.

Yeah. One of the greatest things about Natalie being pregnant was like going out to eat without a reservation. Oh, cause she's pregnant. Well, you always show up, right? And the more pregnant she got, you know, and it's like their first response is the normal response. It's like, oh, it's going to be like, you know,

45 minutes or an hour. And then we were just like, okay, yeah, thanks. Can you just put her name down? And we were just like, okay, yeah, thanks. Can you just put our name down? And we would just like, you know, hang out. Cause usually they'll send, we'll send you a text. You know, we'll just come back and we would be like, oh yeah, cool, no, we'll just wait here. We got nowhere to go.

And now they would just like, you know, be sitting there or standing there. And like, it only, it's like after like eight minutes of like watching a pregnant woman just stand there, you're just, you will find a table for them. You're just like, you just kind of go through this little like moral decision of like how long I'm gonna make this pregnant person stand here before I just find her a table.

And it's like about like eight to 12 minutes. No, that is facts. The biggest flex we had that. Coachella. We used Leia's pregnancy as a get out of Coachella jail free card where the security guard had a pregnant wife. So he like took pity on Leia, took us in the golf cart, drove us through the backstage to like get out.

We went past the like a VIP entrance and we were just like, oh Leia, this is amazing. Cause we would have been walking for like 45 minutes. We walked in a circle trying to find the exit. You can't say you're pregnant though. You just have to stand there. Oh no, she was very pregnant. It was very apparent. We're just like, huh, we can't find the exit. Like can't say you're pregnant though. You just have to stand there. Oh no, she was very pregnant. It was very apparent.

We're just like, huh, we can't find the exit. Like, and the next thing you know, it's you're good on this golf cart right now. I will say you do need the pregnant woman with you because later that night, I tried using the excuse. I was like, my pregnant friend, she's at the hotel. I need to go, like, she's about to pop. Like, can I go through this exit?

And he was like, no. And I just kept saying, she's pregnant. Like, I need to go right now. And he's like, no. I was like, okay, well. He's like no and I just kept saying she's pregnant like I need to go right now He's like no Okay, well, he's like who is pregnant or like no she is she's pregnant, but I'm going to her so I'm pregnant Yeah, I'm pregnant. Okay Mmm terrible the valley

Michelle Lali sheds insight on her relationship with ex, Jesse Lolley, miss filing divorce, or miss filming. Stop talking about him. Like I said, I think she's, well, she doesn't have to answer. She's picking the questions. She doesn't have to answer. She's doing a Q and A. She's picking the questions. I'm sure there are a ton about her

and being a single mother and dating and her life, but she's like choosing to like talk shit about her ex. And as we always say, whatever you put on the internet, it's going to stay on the fucking internet. And her daughter is one day gonna, I'm sure, see her mom say, why is Jessie so high maintenance? Beats me, not my problem anymore. Look, why did you need to put that? Why did you answer that? I mean, it is interesting to hear that like they're choosing a peaceful approach to raising her. Because she said, well, she said,

I think of the child first, I always say positive things to Isabella about her dad, we attend important functions together and let them see that you are both friends and can be together in the same room. Well, it's giving a little like Ryan Gypsy's husband. I'm not gonna talk shit, but like these people are pieces of shit.

Yeah, true. Like, wait, huh? Are you not, you know? It is interesting though, cause they're filming the valley right now. So like she's making it sound like, they're like, she's going to be in the same room with Jesse and his, whoever, girlfriend, fiance.

Are they still together? That's more gonna see. I know she's still with her dude, I think. So that's what I know, I think. I think she's still with her dude. We've never seen them breaking up for both. Yeah. So.

How did Jessie and Jax keep the houses and Michelle and Brittany had to move out? Stubborn. Yeah, well, Michelle made it sound like Jessie didn't wanna leave, so she just moved out. And that was the same thing with Jax. Brittany said that she was like, are we gonna, and he's like, I'm absolutely not moving out of this house.

And she was like, all right, bye. Yeah, remember he was like, can't you just sleep in the guest bedroom? Uh-uh. So that's probably. I mean, Michelle wanted to leave Jessie and she was like, all right. Yeah, remember he was like, can't you just sleep in the guest bedroom? So that's probably. I mean, Michelle wanted to leave Jesse and Jesse didn't wanna leave Michelle. So I-

It's the same thing at Sandoval in Ariana. He doesn't wanna leave either. I will never support the divorced parents talking shit on each other publicly or like to the kids. I'll never support it. It's always gross to me. And like, you can do that privately. You can do that with your girlfriends.

You can do that with your parents. But like to put it out into the world where your daughter will someday read it or to tell your daughter like, oh, well, that's why your dad's a piece of shit. That's what I'm saying. Even fucking worse. Those interviews will live on forever. It's terrible. Well, then we have Maurice Omanisky kissing his new woman, Amika Nose. Do we know who she is? Not confirmed. We don't. It's not confirmed yet. But Kyle

removed wife from her bio. Why didn't she not do that sooner? That's what I thought. Haven't they been like separated for quite some time? It's kind of weird though. It kind of feels like Kyle, like you're the one that wanted the separation to begin with. And then it's like, but milking every moment of like, well, I had to take wife out of my bio because you're making out, you don't want to be married to this man. Yeah, it does seem a little, why didn't she, she seems to be moving on,

he's moving on. I don't think Mauricio, he's doing this in a public setting. Yeah. So. It makes me think that on her end, like separated when he was spotted, got redefined as we're divorced. Mauricio's new girlfriend is a 33 year old

Ukrainian American actress model Nikita Kahn. Is that confirmed though? Yeah, TMZ, page six, Daily Mail. Well, and then right off. All of the trustworthy pages. But the pages that would identify her in 25 seconds. Kyle was also seen at a Morgan Wade concert, like in a sexy dress right after as well.

What is a sexy dress? Like lingerie or just like a dress? It was sexy to me. It was like- There was beads and lace. It was like shorter and then it was like the lines that make you look more curvy. But her wearing a sexy dress around another woman- I know, that was my own headline,

but she did look sexy. Yeah, but I agree with Sierra. It's more like it does give kind of milking. Like keeping the wife. Yeah, or like the I'm the victim. Yes, it's like she's only updating her relationship status as soon as like Mauricio quote unquote fucks up. But clearly Mauricio is just living his life

and making out with this person who probably has some kind of rapport, whether they've defined a relationship or it's officially his girlfriend, whatever it is. He's in a public setting. Mauricio has been in the public eye for years. He knows how this shit works. He didn't just come out of the villa, so to speak,

where he's like, oh my God, I didn't realize I'm famous. And so it's always like, yeah, a reaction to something Mauricio's doing, even though it seems like in reality, Mauricio and Kyle have an expectation of what is okay and what's not okay. And Kyle seems to be waiting for Mauricio. Well, that's where I think maybe they were separated, we know that, but maybe separated was redefined as,

okay, we're actually separated once he was seen publicly. I guess, but why is? So maybe she was like, I am still wife, but now I'm not wife. He lives in a different house. You guys broke up on national television. I agree, she's walking around with Morgan. You're not wearing your wedding,

you haven't been wearing your wedding rings since before the rumors of separation came out. Like you're not hurt by this, I don't think. Maybe you are, but I'm like not to a point to where it's like, well, this is the final straw. We're never getting, we're never repairing our marriage. And that's kind of like what that makes it seem like. It's like, ugh, there was a shot in hell,

but because you got caught making out with this girl, wife is gone. It's not that serious, it's not that deep. And less is a world where Mauricio asked Kyle not to remove the wife headline, I don't know. What a wild request. Yeah, why would he ask that? Of all things, can you please not change the bio

on your Instagram, but I'm gonna go make out with some chick. I don't know. I'm gonna make everyone think my Dancing with the Stars relationship is more than what it is, but please don't take out wife from your bio. Yeah, no, I'm with you guys. I absolutely- No, no, no,

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Or the helicopter. It's the quintessential helicopter episode. What about the disclosure at the beginning? The disclosure at the beginning of it was weird. If you have a weak heart or a raging libido, fewer discretion is advised. I forgot about that. Jessie reading it.

Jessie reading it. And then you saw what they were referring to and you're like, oh my God, drier than- Yeah, my libido is fine. It's a desert. You guys clearly didn't watch the heart rate challenge on Love Island. Yeah, it's like, guys, I've been desensitized.

I've been completely desensitized. Whose hand is going in the fire? Yeah, like I, after seeing Devin's stance, I don't think I will ever recover. I loved his confidence. He absolutely popped the fuck off. In a thong? But like, I just't think I will ever recover. I loved his confidence. He absolutely popped the fuck off. In a thong. I just will never get that out of my head.

And I know Jin won't either. I love that we have Miguel throwing his hand in the fire. And choking Leah. And then we have Sam just breaking his wrist trying to do a dolphin dive onto the ground. First of all, he didn't break his wrist. And I actually really, I really felt for Sam. I felt for one Sam, the other Sam I hate.

Which one do you hate and which one? Sam M. Sam M. Yeah, we're all on the same page, right? Okay, good, yeah. Yeah, the Juan Pablo-ish kind of. I feel like I called it, I said, he's either gonna win or he's gonna be the villain. And I was like, low key.

He's the villain. He's the villain. He's the villain and Devin's gonna win. No, I'm absolutely rooting for Devin. Me too. That would honestly potentially save this season. So unexpected. Sam and his one liners give me the most like, ick I think I could ever feel.

And it sucks because like, I know he feels like he's delivering them with so much swag, but it's like, It's bothering me. And I get it, I've been there. They're like, you crumble at like this man that you have so much sexual tension with, but like, babe, he is not it.

He's like so far from it. And I just need her, I need her to realize. Also, it's just like a little like- Actually, I want, I'm so sorry. I want her to have a fantasy suite with him. I want her to like enjoy that sexual tension and like, but I want her to be like, I want, I'm so sorry, I want her to have a fantasy suite with him. I want her to like enjoy that sexual tension and like, but I want her to be like, I know this isn't my man, but like, I wanna fuck him.

Do you think she's gonna make it all the way to fantasy? I don't think so, it's true. No, he is top four, he's for sure top four. I don't know, he's really annoying. I mean, based off, they're not showing him in a great light for a guy who got the first impression rose and who seems to be Jen's favorite so far. He looks like the bully who's calling someone else the bully. Yeah.

He is putting his nose where it doesn't fucking belong all the time. That doesn't scream front runner. You know, I ended up, I got the first impression Rose way back when and ended up becoming the villain of my season. It was more because everyone decided to be pissed because I was talking to Andy. He is sticking his nose in where he doesn't need to be involved in the drama. It's not as if, it's not like he's making moves and the guys are saying, Sam, Em,

what the fuck are you doing? And he's just like, hey man, guys, I'm just going after the girl I like. He's not involved in drama where he's forced to defend himself like Devin is. Devin might be obnoxious and loud or maybe you don't agree with all his moves. Devin is responding.

He's always on the defense. He's always on the defense. Sam is on the offense. And front runners who have a connection with the lead, who go far, are never unnecessarily on the offense involved in drama this early on. Does that make, am I making sense? Yeah, no, I think that Bachelor has done something

since last season where they've kind of changed the formula with the villain edit where like last season it worked so well where the clear villain of the season ended up being the one who everyone loved. And so I think that the same thing is happening now where like Devin and any other past season would be the villain, but now he's not the villain. He's the one who everybody loves and is obsessed with.

I do have to say, I strike everything I said last episode, where I thought he was doing too much. Because now I feel like he's not doing too much. He's defending Sam N. When he defended Sam N, I was like, okay, you know what, I like you. He's also consistent. Is it N?

N is the version. There's an N and an M? No, Sam N is the was like, okay, you know what, I like you. He's also consistent. Is it N? N, N is the virgin. There's an N and an M? No, Sam N is the one who bared his heart and Sam M is the one who bared his body. And N's a virgin? Love virgin. A love virgin. He's never been in love before.

So the love virgin is claiming he's falling in love. Which is why Sam M is upset. That was, okay, wait, I was gagged though. Like everybody was stripping and then he came out and he was like, cut the music, I love you. It was definitely not Sam N's best moment. And like Leia said, there's a world in which he would also be the villain for moving too fast.

He clearly doesn't have a good sense of humor, he's wound up a little tight, we've all been there. He's uncomfortable with this date, you know? Which like, understandable. Understandable. Didn't come here for this. I didn't know I was auditioning for a Magic Mike. But in the past, they have made,

that's how I became the villain on Andy season. It was the mime date. And I was like, at this point, I got the first impression rose, I'm getting all this one-on-one time with Andy, and I'm believing the bullshit of the world. And I'm like, oh no, I didn't realize I would have feelings, I have feelings, I have to take this seriously. And the next thing you know, I'm on a group date, and they're like, dress up, I didn't realize I would have feelings. I have feelings. I have to take this seriously.

And the next thing you know, I'm on a group date and they're like, dress up and act like a mom. I'm like, why the fuck do I need to do this fucking bullshit? I would not do it. I, they, I did it, but I looked like a petulant child. They made like, that was the beginning of my, like that was my origin story of my villain edit because they're like, this guy is just like,

he's being a baby, you know? And like I wasn't, you know't doing what I was supposed to be doing and in Bachelor Nation, that's kind of all it takes for you to be a villain is to not be an outsider, right? And so here is Sam N not loosening up and taking it a little too seriously. We've all been there, understandable why. And in the past, they would have vilified this.

And instead, they showed Devin standing up for someone who just felt a little uncomfortable with the situation, and that's super understandable. And then you had Sam M and the other dude. Thomas A. Thomas M. Thomas just being fucking like snickering bullies. And like, it just gave like very high school where they're the cool kids, you know,

the tatted up cool kids who like are laughing at the guy who was uncomfortable. Mean girls. Who decided to, instead of take off his shirt, be vulnerable in a way that he was more comfortable with and laugh at him for it because they decided it was too fast. When him and Jen were making out, I was scared. I was like, I don't like this at all.

She was like, stop. He was on top of her. She was like, you haven't asked me to be. She was like, stop. And he was on top of her. She was like, you haven't asked me to be your girlfriend yet. Why did he straddle her? And then she was like, no, what are you doing? Then he gets down on one knee and she's like, no, no. Whispers in her ear. Did I miss this?

When did this happen? On the group date. On the group date. It was like, and it's like, we get it, Sam. Like, you have physical chemistry with Jen, but like, now he's just like forcing a very heavy make out moment every time he talks to her. It's just like, that's all you got.

Because that's all he, that is all he's got. I'm like, he doesn't spend time actually trying to get to know her. His whole time spent away from her is just talking about Devin. Like you're not invested in Jen at all. So the only thing you have is like my hot man card. And it's like, he kept saying like the the bother might bother some or whatever he was saying.

And it was just like, this is annoying. It's repetitive. This is why I bother you. Make out, make out, make out. We're not going to be PG tonight. Make out, make out, make out. It's all these one fucking liners. Yeah, and they're in between make out.

Yes. Who was the bachelorette that was judging the striptease as well? And she was like, be wary of the ones with sexual tension. She was like an Australian bachelorette. I mean, she wasn like, be wary of the ones with sexual tension. She was like an Australian bachelor. I mean, she wasn't wrong. Nope. No, she was pretty spot on. Nope.

But it is interesting that they, and the question is, is why are they showing Sam in this light, right? Does that mean Sam's gonna go home soon and later because Jen's gonna find out about him? I think it's the same thing as last season where like Sydney thought that she was gonna get the good edit and then didn't.

Like him and Thomas think that they're the ones who are gonna come out on top with this edit. Yes. Like they almost think that what they're doing is chivalrous or something. Yeah, they think that they're saving Jen. Yeah, and it's like Jen doesn't need to be saved. When I feel like Erin left, so then they were like,

we have to carry the torch of what Erin was doing. Also, fucking- Which is weird. Weak ass fucking move, Erin. Like you're gonna protect the guys, but you were like there for her? She's gonna piss. that's what Erin was doing. Which is weird. Also, fucking weak ass fucking move, Erin. You're gonna protect the guys, but you were there for her. You're gonna piss. I was glad.

I loved Jen in that moment where she was just like, all right, well fuck you, get out of here. Yeah, and I'm way more annoyed knowing that Erin is Noah's brother because it just gives phony. And this whole storyline was like, oh, I got this, first of all, that's awesome that he gets to be a fighter pilot,

and finally his dreams that he always wanted to come true seem to be coming true. And maybe it isn't just a coincidence, but it kind of gives he always knew he was gonna have to leave, and now we always hear producer plant. We heard it, like, Haktua Girl's been accused of being a producer, or like a industry plant we always hear like producer plant. You know, we heard it like, you know, Haktua girl has been accused of being a producer or like a industry plant or whatever producer plant.

And I don't know why the show showed him in this light because it gives producer plant. Like here it is a guy who's the twin brother of someone else who's been like a very notable character on your franchise. And he, it seems like a guy who takes himself very seriously like very analytical guy, but he's doing all these bits. He had the book bit last week.

Have you seen the update on that too, that people are saying that it's not even a real book, that it was very much a prop? Probably, I believe that. Like it's not like a published book at all. Oh, I believe that, yeah. In real time, I forgot about it. Like I said, it was four seasons ago,

but once you look at it, it was clearly some kind of like- Callback to Noah Bennett. Callback to nothing? I don't really, for what? For like the diehards who were still watching five seasons ago? But it just makes, it just makes your characters look more disingenuous.

Like, I don't understand why they do that. And then he finds out about this, but decides not to say anything to Jen about it at first. He's gonna decide, you want us to believe that he is gonna consider giving up on his dream. He finally got the call. For a group date rose. For a group date rose.

Like. Right, like if he got that group date rose, he's like, all right, I'm giving up. And again, his brother should have been like, dude, group date roses, they don't mean all that much. As we say, there are love roses and drama roses. Sometimes the lead been like, dude, group date roses, they don't mean all that much. As we say, there's love roses and drama roses. Sometimes the lead will like, I gotta give my person a rose, I want to validate them,

they need a little pick me up. Do you think everyone who's been on the show knows that? Cause you obviously have been on four times, you like have some friends that have worked on the show. I think Noah should know enough that like, at the end of the day, it's kind of common sense. I mean, but I doubt before, maybe he did before Aaron leaves.

He's like, all right, man, listen, group date rose is if you get one, don't take it, doesn't mean that much. You think he gave him like a breakdown of? I would to my brother, like cared about. If I wanted my brother to do well, like the whole, when you go on The Bachelor, they have all these levers that they can pull to basically, you know, get you to react, to activate you, to trigger well, like the whole, when you go on The Bachelor, they have all these levers that they can pull

to basically get you to react, to activate you, to trigger you, to put your guard down or put your guard up, right? And if I had someone who I cared about on the show, I would try to think of all the things that's just like, this is gonna happen and this is gonna happen, honestly, I wouldn't, don't stress about this shit.

Focus on this. How do people look bad on the show? By overreacting to small things, you know? By putting their nose in where it doesn't belong. By being nosy and speaking for the Bachelorette when you don't even know her. Aaron's doing all of that. Like, I don't know, I would've thought that

Erwin know something about the show that he's been on a couple times. I need them to blacklist the words, right reasons. I can't like, we can't, we just cannot go through this every season, we can't. There's gotta be a new, there's, I think, I think someone said like, you're here to play games or something, that's, we're getting better.

That's a little bit better. What are all the different ways we can say this that's not wrong reasons? Fake, let's call someone fake. Bad intentions. I think there we can say this that's not wrong reasons? Fake. Let's call someone fake. Bad intentions. I think there's a lot of fake people here. Fake, yeah.

Disingenuous. Disingenuous. Yeah. No, no. Here for a good time, not a long time. Yuck. Danger zone. Do we think Aaron-

Send home Sam M. I don't know. Should Aaron have said who he thought it was? Or like who he was saying? Yes. If you're gonna open your mouth and do that. On your exit, by the way. Yeah.

It's not like you have to do it then. You're not helping Jen, clearly. You're just giving, you're causing her more stress. And it's also incredibly condescending to just be like, well, that's your job to figure out. My jaw was dropped. So rude. Yeah.

It's as if like, you know, you're testing her or you're giving her some sort of assignment or a challenge. No, you're just... Like, she should say thank you. Yeah. Why say anything at all? If you're not gonna say it, then don't say it. It's giving, it's giving, I'm here for the producers. Yeah.

I'm here for the wrong reasons. It's giving, not here for the right reasons. Yeah. Literally. She clocked that though, the second he said that, she was like, okay, leave. I loved her reaction in that moment because she was how everybody felt.

She was over it. I'm also so glad she did not hug him. I feel like so many times, and I feel like us women, we struggle with this a lot of not wanting to hurt someone's feelings or embarrass them. So you just kind of like, it makes you uncomfortable. We don't want to do it. We're like, fuck, I'll just do it anyway. swat like it makes you uncomfortable we don't want to do it we're like I'll just like do it anyways like this is gonna be awkward I don't want to be mean so like

sure I'll just like hug them and you really don't want to and I'm so fucking glad she didn't because he wrote like he was so slimy in that situation and I'm just like glad that she was like okay well then bye leave yeah and couldn't you argue that like if you had the possibility even of getting this call, like, Aaron's trying to convince Jen that he knows, he knows that some of these guys aren't ready for marriage. Well, clearly you're not ready for marriage, Aaron. You have some big life goals that you have yet to accomplish

that require you to go off to school and fully commit. You know, I'm guessing most people in fighter school aren't like, don't have like the bandwidth for a very intimate personal relationship. Maybe they just deserve to be single for a while. Aaron knew this about himself. Why the fuck is he showing up to this environment knowing full well that this was on the table?

You're so right. That doesn't scream ready for a relationship. You are, you just read him to filth. You are so right. Nick is sad. That's so true. Nick a relationship. You are, you just read him to filth. You are so right. Nick is sad. That's so true. Nick is sad. He's sad.

And everyone else is sad too. Are you mocking me? That is crazy. No, that's genuinely like, you're so fucking right. Like he's sitting there being like, there's guys here who aren't ready to get married, but you're fucking leaving for a job. Like, and good for you, but clearly like it's not.

You aren't ready either. You're not in the season to settle down, Erin. You've got some bigger ambitions. That's so true. Wow, that's crazy. That is really true. What exactly about Devin says, I am not willing already to like settle down

because he has a sense of humor. I don't know much about women, but I do know that every single one of them says, I would like a guy who is fun and funny and makes me laugh. I just wanna laugh. I just wanna laugh and have a good time. And Devin, more than anyone so far,

has shown that he's willing to laugh and have a good time and be foolish. And some of his jokes might not be for you, but at least he's willing to have some fun. Imagine what it's like to be, we made such a big deal about Brett, right? And guys, we love Brett, thanks Brett, thanks for showing up and having so much fun with us.

But like, it's also an environment where you have like 98% of all the guys there have these chiseled six pack abs. And then Devin, like very humbly is just like, I struggled with my weight when I was younger, doesn't seem to struggle with his weight now, but he has a very, you know, average bod. And felt very uncomfortable in that environment where all these other guys are just like

taking off their shirts and like, most of these men who showed up for this date were like waiting for this date. This was the date that they were training for, when they were all going to CrossFit and like doing all those sit-ups and like going on these crazy diets, they were fantasizing literally about like,

I hope there's a stripper date. I hope there's some sort of like date where I'm, they fantasized in the mirror about taking their shirt off. Something I can take my shirt off. Meanwhile, Devin's like, fuck, I hope this doesn't happen. I hope this doesn't happen.

When it did happen, what'd he do? He leaned the fuck in, put on the thong and goofed around and had some fun and made Jen laugh. That screams I'm ready for a serious relationship because I know how to make her more comfortable even when I'm uncomfortable. I don't think Sam, when he's uncomfortable, would focus on Jen's discomfort.

I don't even know if I would. Nick is standing on business right now. Nick is literally speaking fucking facts. I asked Nick if he thought he could rip his tank top, and he was like, they probably have like, it's like perforated. They have, no, they don't have to, right? They're definitely special, they're definitely special shirts.

I thought about this too. I honestly have to say, I empathize with Devon, because like, you know, being a new dad, I've just haven't, I haven't done that many push-ups lately. I'm looking fine, whatever, but like not, and I'm not like fine, but I'm like, I'm looking fine. No, you're looking fine.

But like back in the day, like I definitely had more confidence when I took my shirt off. And now it's just like- How heavy is River? None of your fucking business. Whoa! All I'm saying is- You never ask a woman's weight.

Yeah, what the fuck? She's like 16 pounds. You're holding a weight every day and lifting it. That's a workout. Yeah. Every time I talk bad about myself, Justin's always there to pick me up. Pick you up.

Right, so am I. Sweet boy. I know babe. But at work. Makes like, thank God I have Justin to make me feel better. Justin's my work wife. There you go, there you go. Oh yeah, we need to ask Natalie her opinion

on work wife and husband. Yeah, if I were coming home one day and like been like, you know, my work wife. Me. If I didn't know it was Justin, I'd be fucking pissed. If it was a woman, a straight woman, who you were like, what? Like, sorry, who's that calling you on a Saturday afternoon?

Oh, it's my work wife. No, that's disgusting. No, but like Justin loves support fully. I was fucking losing. For sure. Yeah, if every husband is like, oh, it's my work wife and it's Justin, like. Yay! Bring him home.

Yay! Bring him over for dinner. Can he sleep in the bed with us? Yay! But you're right, Leigh, I didn't think about this until you brought it up. And I hope that you're right, but I hope that this is the show

not always siding with the house. Because in the past, it was always the house was the biggest bully and whatever the house agreed with, that's usually how the edit went. And people like Devin were always thrown under the bus because they were a little bit different. I am curious, obviously I know all of our takes,

but I am curious if people are more Team Sam, M, or Devin. I don't know. A lot of times the hotties get the benefit of the doubt. We should circle back on that on Thursday's reality recap and see what the reaction was. Post a poll. I do think after people see how Jen responded to Sam, Em, after Aaron left, people won't like him.

She was like, I'm glad you're okay. Oh yeah, and he's like, that's my boy Aaron in my... I know, I was so proud of her for that too. And he's like, it's all good, I, Aaron. And he's like, it's all good. I'm good. And she's like, glad you're good. Like, what the fuck? He did not read the room. Yeah, the fact that he didn't ask, like, are you okay?

Like, how did that affect you? Like, is there any way I can help like figure out who it is? It's not me. Like, I'm here for you. He's just like, that's my boy. And like, do you want to make out? By the way, this goes back to Nick's point where Sam M is not here for the right reasons.

No, not at all. Because he's here to, clearly he cares more about Aaron leaving for himself than Aaron leaving and how that affects Jen. I think she knows that though. Her response is like, I'm over it. Like, you annoy me. The whole like, I'm glad you're okay.

And the Bachelorette who gave Jen that advice was, I'm guessing a little bit of foreshadachelorette who gave Jen that advice was, I'm guessing a little bit of foreshadowing. I don't think Sam M makes Final Four. Final Five. I mean, I hope I'm wrong because I hope he makes the Final Four. He's gonna make it far.

And I hope it, like, I hope he only becomes, I hope the real villain of this season is Sam M. I think it will be. I think Sam M and Devin are gonna clash the whole way through. And I think Devin is going to win. Interesting. You think Devin's gonna win? I think Devin way through. And I think Devin is going to win. Interesting. You think Devin's gonna win?

I think Devin's gonna win. I think Devin's the next Bachelor. I think Devin will make final two. Oh, I would love Devin to be the next Bachelor. Maybe he'll make final two and be the next Bachelor. Cause he's great for this show. I feel like I love my tops now are Jonathan. Yeah. Marcus.

I'm still- Jonathan was the one who ripped off the pants and it said Jen on his butt. She's the one who came with his face taped up. He won the challenge, yes. He also seemed like a really good sense of humor. Genuine. Yeah.

He won the challenge, yeah. So I like him, I like Marcus. I loved that she pulled Marcus first after Erin left. She was like, you know what, Marcus, can we go talk? It was like, that's her safe place. Like she feels comfortable with him. She feels safe with him. I really liked that.

And I like Grant also. Marcus is the veteran. Yes. Yeah. Like Marcus. Marcus is in my final four, for sure. He's final four, yeah. I was really sad that Hakeem went home though,

because I'm gonna miss his facials. I don't think she liked him though. Yeah, but those eyeballs. I like Austin too. I like Austin too. I like Austin too. He seems very sincere. I think if we see a different side, like I think he needs a one-on-one.

I think we need to see like a side of him. Grant. When he was panicking at the end being like, I just like wanted to talk to her, be able to validate her. And now I just like, I'm nervous. I was like, oh, sweetie. I really liked Jeremy this episode.

He really won me over a little bit. He seemed a little tightly wound episode one, driving in the car and getting upset that someone went in to not his car. But to me, it tells me, him stopping the race car to make out with Jen told me that he's kind of realizing what this atmosphere is and just kind of go for it and take over your own storyline and stop worrying

about being everyone's best friend and being the most popular guy in the house and just do you. And that was him doing that, right? He had no idea like what was gonna happen for not winning the race, but he was like, I'm just gonna have this moment. It was a private moment.

And it's just like, it was a nice fun move. And it really like endeared me to Jeremy. I like, I wasn't sure about him so far, Team Jeremy. I feel like Sam N is a little stiff, right? I mean, I think obviously he, which totally again, totally understandable. I like get why he didn't wanna participate, but I just think it is funny how his,

one of his facts is that he's a big prankster and loves April Fool's Day. And it's like, these two are not. Also like he probably don't wear the gauze, Sam. Oh. Yeah, he's like, I hurt my, I like sprained my thumb and then he just has it wrapped in like ace bandage. Like it's not even in a splint.

It's just like wrapped up. Then like either you need to go to the doctor or you don't, right? And if you don't need to go to the doctor, just like, don't wear the thing that makes you look like you need a band-aid. Yeah, if it's not broken, don't wear a cast. You can deal with his brain.

He wants sympathy. I know, I know, but it backfired, right? Yeah, did she even ever say like, oh, I'm so sorry you hurt yourself? Like, can we help her? But that's the thing, I think he was worried that she wouldn't know that he hurt his thumb because it's not like there was blood or it snapped in half, it just got a little sprained.

And so to make sure that she was aware that he had a boo boo, he put an ace bandage on his thumb. But instead we're all just like, why is this guy milking an injury? That's his issue though, because I think Sam has siloed himself into like I need your approval, where like he said I love you but then apologized after

and she was like you don't need to like take back what you wanna say. I feel like she no longer can fall in love with him because now he is like the sympathy card. I don't, yeah, I don't think Sam N is ready for marriage, but I think he's well intentioned and he's just maybe not there yet. And he's a fish out of water,

and it really endeared me to Devin because that was actual bullying. We saw Thomas and Sam M try to make Sam N feel bad about his decisions that he thought were the right move. He was uncomfortable and they just laughed at him. Very mean girl. And Devin, people who stand up for bullies stand up for bullies when it's not the popular thing to do.

Like Devin doesn't give a fuck that the whole house is against him. He's willing to stand up for these guys and that's not easy to do. And most people in those environments don't do it. And that's why they usually are allowed to take the opinion of the house and makes the outsider the villain and the bully the hero that is the house

because not enough people are willing to stand up to someone. But Devin was, which gives the show an opportunity to show the house in a different light. And that takes a lot of fucking guts what Devin did. And he stood up for someone who couldn't stand up for himself is literally like the definition

of someone who's willing to stand up for bullies. And Rana, the fact that Sam M is calling Devin a bully, it's just like, dude. You're the bully. Yeah, I mean, it's like, ugh. He's giving like not as extreme, but like Chad vibes. Do you remember the like scary Chad? No, he doesn't, no.

Before her time. He was also on Paradise. Whose season was he on? JoJo's. He was, like, scary. Went out into the woods, like, eats cold cuts and just, like, ready to just, like, I don't even know, just, like, destroy everybody. Yeah, like, he was just awful.

Did he punch a hole in a wall or something? I feel like, no, I feel like he punched a tree or something. I don't know, but he just gives, like, these, like, super aggressive vibes that I'm just like not here for. I'm really curious what people are going to think about that couch scene where Sam was very... it gave not reading the room and not reading a woman's discomfort of you being overly physical.

Yeah, I... I'm really curious how Batra Nation responds to that. Because I felt uncomfortable for Jen in that moment. Same. Because she just wanted to talk and have a conversation and he was trying to do anything but. You know who else surprised me? Spencer. Spencer got the one-on-one

with the quintessential helicopter date. Yeah. And I thought he was so sweet. He was very sweet. At first, yeah, he kind kinda gives maybe a little nerdy, maybe a little awkward. I did not need to hear a sad story this fast. Let me get to know the guy a little bit

before he's just like, yeah, listen, I was cheated on. Because it's a real story, you know what I'm saying? After he told the story, I'm like, this guy has been through it. This sounds like this, this sucks. This fucked him up a little bit. Like, but let me get to know you a little bit more, you know?

And I don't even blame Spencer for it. It's just like the format of the show, but let him. Yeah, I feel like I want them to start sharing. Something, anything. Yeah, like maybe start, maybe give your sad story like the end, and I guess maybe that's like editing vibes. I don't know, but yeah, it does feel like we don't even know anything about,

like did he talk about being a pet portrait entrepreneur? I'm kind of like interested in that. What are you doing? I'm very interested in that. You know, like can we talk about that? Your sense of humor or something? His backstory was like necessary though, cause he was like, he's ready for marriage.

And it won me over. He's here for the right reasons. I guess. And it won me over too, but it's just more. Do people feel pressure to say their story right away because they're like, I could go home on this date and I have to share something that's gonna be. Show her that I've been through something.

Yeah, I have to get my story in because I could go home tonight. There's always the daytime portion of their date, right? They went for a helicopter flight and looked at cliffs and did whatever. And they're always like, obviously told to save like the conversation stuff for the conversation. They go back to their hotel room, they change,

they eat, have a snack, yada yada. And yeah, there's usually a conversation between their producer and them about like, it's kind of like more what do you want to talk about tonight? You know? They'll definitely ask, but if there's a story to tell, sometimes they'll say like, well wait for that. You know? Like, you'll don't get to the heavy stuff right now. Now this seemed to be so quick to get to the heavy stuff. Like, to me, this tells me that Spencer, it like, who knows? Different people in charge now, they're operating, they're editing the show slightly different. But to me, this tells me that Spencer, who knows? Different people in charge now, they're editing the show slightly different.

But to me, this says that Spencer's one-on-one date this early was more for the show and for Jen, like setting up Jen's storyline. Here's a relatable character with a relatable story. They've dated the wrong people. Give Jen an opportunity to be like, oh, I relate to this guy. And less about Jen's connection with Spencer,

because in the past, if they thought that Spencer was in the top four, let's say after night one, she's like, he's in my top four. They most likely like, this guy's gonna get a lot of one-on-one time. So let's get to know him a little bit first, and then the second one-on-one, let's have him drop like his heartbreaking story.

Doesn't necessarily mean I'm right. I think I opened up about past relationships from my first one-on-one a little bit too, so who knows, but yeah, I don't know. The sob stories are just, they just get right into it. I do feel like though for a first date, it's not uncommon to be like, hey, so what happened in your past relationship?

It's not like he was like, when I was six, my mom died. Like, you know, I feel like a lot of the times the trauma dumping and the big stuff, it's like, that's soon to come. But I was like, I feel like this one at least was, it was teed up correctly for a first date conversation. Yeah, I agree with that. But I will say that it was like, we had so much fun.

The helicopter was great. He's like, yeah, the helicopter was great. So I was engaged. And this, like, that's how it felt like it went instead of like. And I doubt it actually went that way. I'm, like that's how it felt like it went instead of like. And I doubt it actually went that way. I'm sure it was just. It probably cut out a lot of fluff.

Yeah. Have we ever seen anybody kind of just brush through something? Like I feel like I'd be the person to come on and just casually mention that my dad passed away and then, and they'd be like, wait, what? And I'm like, yeah, it's fine though. Well, honestly, I would like that better.

I would like, I would have been better if it just came across was Jen was pulling it out of him a little bit and he was a little bit reluctant, but finally opened up because Jen made him feel comfortable. The way they show it, at least, is if he just knows he has to say it. He has a script prepared.

Exactly, and it's like that doesn't give chemistry where I'm starting to feel more comfortable, this is becoming a safe space. It just becomes something that Jen has to respond to. And she almost felt a little unprepared for it a little bit. I don't know. This is all to say, yeah, Spencer did win me over. And I like how when they were all arguing at the end,

was it Spencer the one who spoke up and was like, this is stupid, everyone shut the fuck up. We're wasting everyone's time. And to me, that says front runner, who like finally didn't want to open up, he didn't want to say anything, he has a rose, he's good, but these guys are just being fucking ridiculous. Yeah, he couldn't keep it in the box.

He was like, can you guys just shut up? This is not important. So, good guy Spencer so far, I really like him. Yeah, I like him too. And we lost four people, including Aaron. Right. Going home last night. I thought three, only three.

Well, Aaron went home and then Hakeem went home. Hakeem went home. Aaron went home and Thomas A went home. Thomas A. Thomas A, yeah, to three. I was just sad about, oh this guy, Thomas A. Oh, that Thomas, oh. I was just really sad about Hakeem.

I know me too. What a special guy. I miss him already. Thomas N gets mad at everything. He's exhausting. He's always in drama. He's always getting upset. He's always getting offended. He's exhausting.

But the producers must love him because they can always be like, doesn't that piss you off? And he's like, fuck yeah, man. That's, fuck yeah. True, yeah. Fuck yeah. All you have to say to Thomas N is,

doesn't that piss you off? And he's just ready to be activated. Yeah. that the fuck yeah. Fuck yeah. All you have to say to Thomas N is, doesn't that piss you off? And he's just ready to be activated. So I think we need to just make sure we remind everyone that we are talking about the people we see on TV. We don't know these people personally. Yes. Would you like to give a shout out to our friend?

Oh, oh. We are often reminded that like, people listen to our show. What is the tea? I know, I'm dying here. I think it's important that we remind everyone that this is- That we're covering an event, and we don't know these people.

It's not personal. It's not personal. And I'm sure if we met you, we'd love you, and we'd like have so much fun. It's never that deep. Yeah, and sometimes we met you, we'd love you and we'd like have so much fun. It's never that deep. Yeah, and sometimes yes, we might say some snarky things, but we think you're all great.

Who called you out? My sweet friend met Tanner. Jayden Tanner? No. There's a couple Tanners. Yeah. Which Tanner? He was on the most recent Bachelor in Paradise,

really tall. That's not narrowing it down. Yes, no, I? He was on the most recent Bachelor in Paradise, really tall. That's not narrowing it down. Yes, no, I know who you're talking about. It starts with a C, Tanner, they got a- Hart Thrabi was in a, with, he had a moment on Paradise with- Yeah. He's this guy. Yes, right there.

Yes, what's his last name? Cortad. Cortad. Christian Cortad, yeah. Yes, Tanner Cortad, and she was like, yeah. Yes, Tanner Quartad. And she was like, oh my gosh, like you were on The Bachelor. So cool. Like I have a friend, like Nick, he was on The Bachelor and he was like, oh, Nick hates

me. And for the longest time, before she told me the hate part, I was like, Tanner, who? Which Tanner? Because there's so many Tanners. There's so many Tanners. And then she told me the story. I'm like, I do? What?

Remind me why. What did he say? I texted her back and I was like, I do? I'm like. What? Remind me why. What did I say? I texted her back and I was like, no, like we've never met him. We don't, Nick doesn't hate him. Like I don't hate him. I'm sure I said something. Nick probably just said something about like

how he was acting on Bachelor of Paradise. Like he's doing nothing for me or whatever, I don't know. Tanner, if you're out there, if you're listening, we love you. We definitely don't hate you. Definitely don't hate you. No, it's nothing personal. We'd love to meet you. I'm sure you're fabulous. I'm sure you're swell there, if you're listening, we love you. We definitely don't hate you. Definitely don't hate you. No, it's nothing personal.

We'd love to meet you. I'm sure you're fabulous. I'm sure you're swell. Yeah. But it's just to remind the people that we talk about, we're talking about you on a TV show, not you in real life, not your character, not who, we are watching you portrayed on a TV show,

edited by people who don't have your best interests at heart. Here, they're the problem, not us. And they silo you into a character. Unfortunately, you weren't on Love Island, where they give you like the bandwidth and the airtime to show your good and bad traits. And we could see you more as a human rather than you representing a certain type of guy. Yeah.

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cause we don't need to talk about Robin Cassie having sex. I wanna talk about one thing. Me too. The Robin Leah goodbye. You know. Listen, I'm on board with her and Miguel now, but you cannot tell me that wasn't me that didn't make anybody else cry. Cry?

Cry? Like, tear up a little, though. Tear up. I feel like, here's the thing about this show that's very different than Bachelor or Perfect Match, is that we are commentating, and fans are reacting in real time, which gives the producers of the show the opportunity

to respond to fans' comments and reactions. And Leah, very authentic. Rob, I do, I like Rob. You know, I think on these shows, it's always easy to shit on all the men and try to point out all the fuckboy behavior we see, but we've seen Rob be a good friend to Erin. We've seen Rob have some nice, charming moments.

But I am unsure if this is sincere Rob or if this is Rob just kind of knowing what to say. Well, Rob went on Aftersun and was asked about Leah and he said, what did he say? He said something like, he said, I would be lying if I sat here and told you that I don't feel a certain way about Leah, but I'd also be lying if I said,

I thought we would work out long-term at this moment in time. And then he kind of like fumbled through his words and he was like, I have feelings for her, but it's not like it's too much. I think he's leaning in. While he's sitting right next to Kathy. Do you think he just knows that people

are eating this drama up? I do, yeah. And he's just playing into the plot? I don't know for sure that he doesn't. It did feel like I was watching a movie. Yeah, it was like a scripted TV show. It was like the moment, the closure moment. Like Rob just knows to kind of-

I think a producer told him to do that. I think someone was like, you need to say goodbye to Leah. Have a moment with her. Hype it up. I mean, the way he walked in and was like, like pointed at her head nod. It was like, you know what you're fucking doing. When you pointed at her, I was like,

but they did it for you. They did. They did it for you. I'm so glad they did too. I mean, listen, it's been a will they won't they this whole season, at least for me. Literally. How, question from the room.

How do you sign language you had sex? Ew, no. You would do the finger in the hole? No, I'm definitely doing this. Rob's is this. Mine is that too. I haven't signaled that. Wait, I haven't either.

You would do this? I wouldn't do this. Well, that's how I would say, like, if I was trying to tell somebody. No, I'd probably just be like, for those who can't, for those who are just listening, we're going through the circle in the finger motion through the wall. And then there's the rub, you know, air hump thrust. Yeah, the thrust, maybe.

The thrust feels the most like natural, you know? I just want to know who I'm sign language that I'm having sex. I would be the weirdo going like this. It was pretty crazy that, I mean, have you ever seen anyone on this show, like flat out just be like, yeah, like we fucked. Like Cassie just being like, we fucked

and like before we even kissed. Well didn't Nicole and like Kendall did? They used to do like metaphors. No, we thought they did. And then again, who knows, but when Liv came on, she was like, when I left, no one at that point had sex. Now, maybe she was not in the know, maybe it wasn't accurate, but she had the impression

no one actually had sex at that point. And we were very confused because Nicole and Kendall implied that they did, and Liv left after they went into hideaway. Maybe she just wasn't a part of that conversation. Maybe not. Because that's like Love Island lingo is the restaurant five star.

Full course. Yeah, did you just get an appetizer? Did you do an entree? Finger food. All five courses. And then that's what they're talking about. Yeah, so the fact that Cassie's like, I can't believe we fucked before we kissed.

It's like, okay bitch, pop off. I think get it. I will say I had my teary moment too about Kayla and Erin, but them walking out of the villa slow motion, I was like, I kind of like the show. I believe in Kailer's love for Aaron. I agree.

Yeah. I also believe in Aaron's love for Rob. And then before, Oh my God. They're more in love. The professing of love multiple times where I was like, you two have articulated how you feel about each other more than you have your partners, Rob, your six partners.

He was like by the deck in the morning, at the deck before we leave. Do we just jump in this water together? Well before they walked out, Erin goes, go find yourself a wife like Kailer. Like that part I was like, okay, maybe he does like her, I don't know. I think Erin likes Kailer in his own way, for sure.

Yeah. His own way just comes across as incredibly boyish and immature and self-centered, and at the end of the day, not incredibly thoughtful and considerate. I was thinking about this the other night or yesterday. You know how people were just like, I'm such a flirt, as if it's like a part of who they are.

It's like, this is my personality, I'm just such a flirt. And it's like, yeah, I get it, right? Like when we're young and we're teenagers in our early 20s and we're single for a long period of time, we have a flirtatious personality. But you know what, I've learned that I can do as someone who's been called a flirt my whole life, who's, I've been like, I'm such a flirt.

You know what I've done ever since I got married and had a kid? I stopped being a flirt. I turned it off. I stopped making it a personality trait. And I think that's just part of getting older and being mature and being in a serious relationship. Like I'm very self-conscious of like,

when I take pictures with women who are guests of where my hands are, are they, you know, I don't want to give any vibes whatsoever. If I compliment, you know, Sierra, hey Sierra, you look nice today. It's not like, oh, that's a real sexy outfit or whatever. You know what I'm saying? Like that's the thing.

Being a flirt is not a character trait. You weren't born with like the personality of a flirt. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you might be an extrovert, you might be charming, but like it's not an excuse to have of a flirt. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you might be an extrovert, you might be charming, but like it's not an excuse to have been a flirt. And now that you're in a relationship to be like, well, I'm just so flirtatious, I can't help it. No.

Who's saying this? Erin. Oh. It's always like, my love language is physical touch. I'm just like, he's just such a flirt. And like, Kayla is accepting this personality trait. Like what does Erin's red flag, they said it's like, oh, he's a flirt. As if like, oh, I can't help it.

It's who I am. It's like, no, you've decided that you haven't, you don't need to turn it off yet, even though you're in a relationship. Because that's what like younger, I guess, less mature people who aren't used to being in committed relationships and don't like really think about what, now that I wanna be in this committed relationship,

how do I have to change my actions? That's not where Aaron is. He's in the like, well, I guess you can be my girlfriend because I like you, but he hasn't thought about what that means. And like accept me for like who I am and I'm a flirt and like don't try to change me. Yeah.

Yeah, there's a big difference between I'm a flirt and I'm an extrovert. Yeah, and like someone who, my whole young adult life and as a single person who I've been called to flirt, I've definitely lost a lot of game. You know, I am, I don't know how to do it anymore because I haven't because I don't because I choose not to because I'm married, you know.

If you don't use it, you will lose it. So yeah, I don't know. Final dates? Final dates, Nicole and Kendall definitely got the short end of the stick. And I feel like everyone else's was so fucking romantic and like sentimental and they got parasailing. And I just like feel so, and you can tell

when Janae came back and she's explaining and who else, Serena and Cordell come back and they're sitting there listening, you can tell Nicole is like. What? You got a movie? Which one would you have wanted? Serena and Cordell. Serena and Cordell's. And they're sitting there listening. You can tell Nicole is like. What? You got a movie? Which one would you have wanted? Serena Cordell.

Serena Cordell, yeah. For sure. That was so sweet. When their date card said hashtag lift up, I just watched Bachelorette. So I was like, oh great, they're going in the helicopter. And then when they did parasailing, I was like, I forgot that this is not ABC's budget. Just to be fair, I'm sorry, but parasailing, I was like, I forgot that this is not ABC's budget. Like, it's like, just to be fair. I'm like, I'm sorry, but parasailing,

I was like, I would've been so pissed. She got all dressed up already. And then it's like, are you gonna dunk me in the water? Like what are you doing? So true. Parasailing for a man is a fairly emasculating thing. Oh, cause her legs are just dangling. Yeah, it's like Kendall's in there

just like dangling in the air. Like he has no control over this. It's also like not great for women. We're like strapped in. It's like squeezing our in the air. Like he has no control over this. It's also like not great for women. We're like strapped in. It's like squeezing our skin the wrong way. We're like not need or we're like bent over, like guts out. You're in a swimsuit cause you like, you might go in the,

nothing about parasailing is like sexy, hot, attractive. Yeah. And like after like the first 10 seconds, you're like, all right, is this it? Like, I guess. I mean, question for the household. Is it a thing that whoever gets the better last dates are the ones who win? Because Kendall and Nicole were the-

Well no, because voting had already closed. That's what I'm saying. So Nicole and Kendall were like the fourth runner ups or whatever. It's probably more like maybe they knew the votes. That's what I'm saying, yeah. And Serena and Cordell were like, in my eyes, the best date and they won.

Is that a thing that they use it as a way to like, foreshadow? I'm guessing they're gonna give the couples they feel to be the most in love or most genuine, the opportunity to show that genuineness through the dates. And if they're like, I don't know, no one really cares about Kendall and Nicole, they're the fourth runner-ups anyways.

Like we got parasailing. I do feel like their storyline in this finale episode was the strongest though. I mean, they- I cried, they made me kind of- Oh my God. Nicole made me cry. Nicole saying she loves him,

made me cry. Nick and I were both in tears. I have chills right now just talking about it. Yeah, it was very sincere. Like I said, all of these couples, regardless of what you think, I don't know how they're gonna play out, I don't know if they're gonna work out,

but they all care about each other. They really do. Like Miguel, what I love about Miguel and continue to love about Miguel is he is very much, he does not over promise. At the risk of maybe saying some fuck boy shit, because Miguel, even at the exit, was never overstating what he plans on with Leah.

It was like, yeah, I'm excited to see what happens in the real world and see where this can go. That's it, that's all he said, which was very open-ended. I think he knows, he lives in the UK, and she's in LA, and the odds might be stacked against him. But what he did say, the things that did come out of his mouth, I believe, you know what I'm saying? That he cares about her.

And he complimented her, and I think in one of the best possible ways, because he talked about the impact Leah had on him as a man and how he came in with this fuckboy mentality and he's grown up and she's challenged him in ways that honestly he didn't expect to be challenged. And that felt very sincere. And he didn't make promises he didn't have to make.

And I just really have been impressed with Miguel. He's a standup guy and maybe he's gonna go out around and be a fuckboy, but I believe that he isn't gonna lead people on necessarily, he's gonna be up front, he doesn't over promise. And I just think at the end of the day, that he's got good character. You know, it's interesting, we've talked about this previously about like, how to change a fuck boy, and we've talked about this in the context of West and many others. I feel like Leah did what you do to change a fuck boy.

She was very chill. She doesn't overreact and she's self-aware. She's self-deprecating. I don't think she loses control of who she is for someone like Miguel. And yeah, those are all ways of making a fuck boy feel like, hey, this is, Miguel is so, yeah, again, Miguel's used to someone

making him three different versions of eggs, right? That's fucking crazy. And when you don't do that, and when you're like, nah, you know, like I'm good, then immediately the fuck boy's like, oh, well, I need to do more for this person because I'm used to doing nothing at all. Well, because it's like he came back from CASA and Leah was just like, okay, like you brought someone back.

Yeah, well eventually, like you can't keep doing that. But yeah, I do think just like Leah talking about, like what did she say in her speech was so charming. She loves toxic. Yeah, but how she said it was so funny and so relatable. Where like everyone told her, if you would have told me that I would be like the guy who made out with all the women, I would have believed you.

But like that, it's just like, Leah knows who she is. And more than anything, I think that's as people we struggle with, like you always know, there's always a point in your life where you're like, this is who I am. And you see, I think part of growing up is realizing that a lot of your like misfortunes or your fights with people or the drama that you're involved in is like a lot of your misfortunes or your fights with people or the drama that you're involved in

is a lot of your fault. And that the people who have a problem with you, there's some validity to some of the things that people have said about you. And Leah knows it. She is aware of the things that people have criticized her about. And she doesn't love herself any less.

And that's very charming and it's tough to do. And I think that's why people like Leo so much. And that is what everyone should channel. I also loved that when Leo got up to top two, that she has no idea what's going on in the outside world and how much we all love her. She was like, why? I wish I could see her reaction to a million followers.

I'm just like, she's like, wait, why are we here? We're number two. And I'm like, babe, you have no idea that the United States specifically, we're behind you. That's so great and that's so cool for Leah. And it also makes me so scared for the others, the ones that are getting so much hate. And it's like, I can't imagine Leah coming out of it and being like, holy fuck, everyone loves me.

I have a million followers. I also can't believe anyone else coming out of it being like, wait, what the fuck? Why are they saying this? Why do they hate me? Where did this come from? Like what's going on? I hope Leah Does nothing or comes to Kayla's defense when it comes to that like leaked hot mic moment? Like I hope that I think she she won't I I feel like she's proven on this season that she's just like confident in herself and like she forgives easily.

Yeah. Yeah. Leah knows what it's like. And I think that what makes Leah as charming as she is, because Leah is obviously an attractive person, but you know that Leah's also like been shit on before. I think she's been mean girl before. I think she's probably been bullied by people thinking that she has it all, and therefore she needs to be put in her place.

And I think people empathize with someone like Leah, who despite her being someone who seemingly has it all, has also been through it. I think it's that statement she said of the, if you think negative of me, times it, and make it worse or whatever? I think she's really self-aware. I think it's also her being able to take responsibility

for things that she said a lot. A lot of people can't do that in their day-to-day life, let alone on a TV show, but it's like anytime that she said something that she knew was out of pocket or that she was confronted about her behavior with something, she was like, no, I take full responsibility. I was in this state.

And I think that's something that's also very relatable to her, why people like her so much. take full responsibility. I was in this state. And I think that's something that's also very relatable to her, why people like her so much. Well, it makes sense. Think about it. What is the thing that reality TV characters get the absolute most shit for? Not being real?

Yeah, it's making the audience feeling lied to. West. West portrayed to be like this gentle, sweet, not fuck boy person, and then whether it's more edit or whatever, it came across as he was misrepresenting himself. And then he duped the audience. And when the audience feels duped by you,

they will fucking eat you the fuck alive. And when someone like Leah is just like, nah, I'm exactly who you think I am and that's not a perfect person and I have my flaws. And it's just hard to have an issue with someone who's already like, yeah, no, you're right about me. Whatever it is you think you're right about, yeah, that's who I am.

It's not even that fun, you know? It's like the person who wants to pretend that they're unproblematic, that they're super nice to everything and everyone and just grateful for whatever the fuck, and then you see them be catty or be dramatic, and then you're like, oh, you're phony, you're fake, and things like that. Where it's just like, after that statement that Leah made,

it's just like, no matter anything she says after the fact, you're like, oh, she fucking told us. You know? Okay. It feels easier to like someone who you know is not gonna disappoint you in the future. And Leah seems to have done that very well. Of the final four, who do we think

is gonna have the longest run? And who do we think is gonna have the lowest run? Serena and Cordell. Serena and Cordell. For sure. Yeah, I mean, the fact that they color coordinated on night one by accident and then did it again at the finale, probably more on purpose this time,

but like, ugh, I mean, I love them. They have the best. I do believe in Kendall and Nicole. Who's the couple you think might surprise you that you wouldn't necessarily bet on now? And that would, I would say Kendall and Nicole. I would say Kendall and Nicole. I have a feeling they're gonna be broken up

by the reunion. Janae and Kenny, I think, live here. You say Kendall and Nicole. I would say Kendall and Nicole. I have a feeling they're going to be broken up by the reunion. Janae and Kenny, I think live near. You think Kendall and Nicole will break up before the reunion? That's my opinion! That's my opinion! Hello. Hey, Tamara.

Okay, everybody put your guns down. No, yeah, I genuinely do believe that. And that's August 19th, so we'll see. I like Janae and Kenny a lot too. I thought that. I really, yeah. I think they live nearby too. So I also think that that's the reality. And also like the parents doing Kenny a lot too. I thought that. I really, yeah. I think they live nearby too. So I also think that that's the reality.

And also like the parents doing the notes and everything. I think if anything, knowing that your family's behind your choices from what they've watched on television. I love Janae being like, we love K-A-N-A. Kana. Kana? Kana? It's our name.

Yeah, he's like, oh, Kanae. I think they're as well-intentioned as any couple to come out of Love Island, but I feel like ultimately they're not as compatible as they want to believe they are. J'Nai and Kenny? Yeah, because Kenny, he's younger, right? And he's like one of those guys who is like more mature than his age.

And he, I actually really believe his like, I'm tired of this fucking around. And I believe he really wants to have this serious relationship. Janae's also someone who is this like really down to fall in love. And she knows what she wants. Yeah, and I just feel like they're both

well-intentioned people. And I'm worried that outside of the villa, they just might find out, you know, just other aspects of their relationship. They're just not as compatible as they hoped and just might reluctantly break up. That's my concern for them. The truth is though, August 19th is only like,

two weeks from now, two weeks away. I feel like three weeks away. Three, four. It's almost a month. We don't know, Matt. Either way. What's August? It's almost a month. We don't know, Matt. Either way. We'll talk. It's next year.

I don't know if any of them will break up by then. I think if anyone could break up, it's gonna be Kayla and Erin. And we'll get to talk with Kayla, but her mom wrote what she wrote. I know her mom during the videos was much more tempered. Which it's very easy to write a post on Facebook only to meet that person and not wanna like,

it would have been embarrassing for Kayla, for her mom to just like lay into Erin in that moment. Like that wasn't the move then. Not on national TV. But what conversations does Erin, gets Kayla mom had with Erin after the fact? And is Kayla gonna go back and watch some of the stuff? We all just kind of talked about like,

as soon as she goes back and watches this, it might be harder for her to like forgive Erin, you know? So if anyone could break up, I think it might be them. I'm not even sure if they will by then, but yeah, it's not that long of time. It's not. Well, I don't think Rob and Cassie will be together. Why do you think Kendall and Nicole will break up?

Well, put me in the hot seat. Okay, well, I have a hot take, but I think that Kendall's very much in love with Nicole. I think that throwing love out there and everything was a lot for her too fast too soon. I think once getting back into the real world and going back to your normal life, I don't know that you want,

that she's gonna want like a little puppy dog that's like, I love you, I swear, please just tell me I love you, I'll wait forever. And it's like, I just, I don't see it. She's like a hot chick that clearly like is like, oh, I've been so damaged by my ex relationships. I'm like, she likes toxic. She's like, what, 25?

Like, I'm like, I don't think that she's gonna like be like Kendall is my end all be all. Do you think she felt pressured to tell him? I think a thousand percent. And she also didn't say, I'm in love with you. She said, I'm falling, I'm starting to fall in love with you. She didn't I'm falling, I'm starting to fall in love with you. She said, I love you.

I think at the end she said, I love you. In the like speeches to each other. She was like, I love you Kendall. She was crying and then she said, I'm starting to fall in love with you. She did not say, I love you. I think you're wrong. You're wrong.

Cause I literally was like, I was like thinking about it. I was like, I feel like she's going to say it in this speech. Nicole made me cry. And I just think I'm falling in love with you. Wouldn't have made you cry. I'm in love with you, Kendall. OK. Oh, OK.

I lied. I thought she said falling. Well, I think your point still stands. I think that she felt pressured to say it. I feel like if she had it in her own timing, maybe, but I'm just like, I don't think that it's a hundred percent reciprocated. I feel like what else are you going to say being on the spot up there? We're all waiting for you to say it. He says it in his speech again, after already telling her in a private conversation.

He says, I'll wait for tomorrow, the day after the next week. It's like, or never, or never. And it's like, okay, well, I guess this is my big one. That's what it felt like to me, I'm sorry. I misheard the terminology, but I just didn't feel like it was that genuine. I miss hear things all the time, Sarah. I miss hear things all the time. Same.

Your point is still valid. Yeah, I was like, I'm sure I'll get crucified for that, but either way, I'm like, it's the Fox, that I just don't, for me, that I just don't feel like that was the person that she was. Watch Leah and Miguel get married. Yeah.

But I believe that for some reason. I believe that more than I believe in Kendall and Nicole. I think they are as compatible as any couple, and it just might not be like their living situation or where they're at, but I think if they made an honest attempt and if, it's unclear whether Miguel's really ready to be in a relationship. Everything about his actions and the thing he says

kind of are pretty upfront about like, I just, he literally said at some point around the season that like he thought he'd be married at 25, and right now he is not ready to settle down or have kids. I mean, he flat out said that. And despite, I think, his relationship with Leah and his connection, and I think everything he said was honest, but it's unclear whether he's willing

to make a very long-distance relationship work, or I guess he might move to LA, but even then, LA is not exactly the city of settling down. She's also a Calabasas princess, though, and I'm sure she could take a flight. Yeah, she owns horses. You've got money. Sure, but even then.

I'm just saying she could go visit. Yeah, I'm sure there will be visits. I do love them together though, and Miguel's confidence through the whole Leah, Rob, will they, won't they, is pretty amazing. Completely unbothered. Yeah. I love Miguel.

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Hello. How are you doing? We just want to give you a big congratulations. You probably got a lot of that today. How are you guys feeling We just want to give you a big congratulations. You probably got a lot of that today. How are you guys feeling being the most loved couple on reality TV? That's crazy. No, it's insane.

What has it been like? Honestly, we just got our phone back with what feels like a few hours ago. Oh, sure. Like, yeah. And then we have to go to sleep and then we have to wake up early and have been nonstop. So we haven't even really had a moment to digest it

or really go through everything. I've seen a few things. Look, oh, we got nice little edits of her. Yeah, I think the edits are really cute. She got some cool little edits of her. Some cool edits, some bad. She got some cool edits, some bad. Yeah, some bad.

I'm like, who? As you should. I wanna give you guys a shout out because I feel like you guys, I've watched a lot of reality TV I've seen a lot of couples fall in love I know what it's like to meet someone on reality TV and I feel like no bullshit like you guys I think are the most compatible couple I've ever seen fall in love on TV

And I think you guys give like competitive you guys make compatibility look great And what I mean by that is it's like a lot of people have the chemistry, everyone's casting hot people, everyone's hot on Love Island. But when you guys are on TV, I said this earlier today, I feel like a lot of, especially women in relationships

watching this show and watching you two, we're nudging their boyfriends and be like, why don't we laugh like that? Why don't we do shit like that? And I just think you guys have been like such a joy for like so many people to watch Fall in Love. And I just wanted to say that because it's been really refreshing.

It's like you can actually believe your guys' connection. Aw, thank you so much. Yeah, that's probably one of my favorite things about us is how much we laugh. And like, honestly, I can't see that like fading away or anything, we're both just like super goofy. And like we can make a joke out of life. I guess situation even like to this day, we still joke about that.

Yeah, we like they'll be like, and I'm like, it's fine. Like, yeah. And the docs make jokes about that. I was like, with the docs, you know, the reenactment are sending me. I'm like, am I in a lifetime movie? Why was that so dramatic? The music, the. I mean, just Serena, Serena, please.

Oh, my gosh. You have made a breakfast since she threw it in your face. I never stopped making breakfast. I made breakfast since day one. After she threw the breakfast, I came in with the breakfast again. This time I had somebody send it up there to her. I went and go in the line. It ain't up. You live and you learn. You gotta wait until things cool off. It ain't up front for them. And you know, you live and you learn.

You gotta wait until things cool off. And then, you know, I go back up there, which I was prepared. And I have my little tongues and everything. A shield. Are you all still eating avocado toast every day? Not you. So I actually hate our meal. Yeah, I don't know if they only if you're only seen the avocado, but he would make me like a lot of like pancakes,

french toast, omelet. Yeah, I was making her some. Like I had some. Avocado toast was on the side still cause then she liked it, but like. Yeah, I can actually eat avocado toast. That's how they're gonna get her some real food. I'm a real breakfast.

With avocado. She is, I don't know. It's all right. Serena, where do you feel like you get like your, I mean, I was just, I really enjoyed watching you. I always really enjoyed your authenticity. I think so many people come on these shows and they have a hard time being themselves, right?

Or they have a hard time kind of enforcing their boundaries. People love to say that word all the time. But you truly were someone who stuck to your guns no matter what. And I mean, has that always been who you were? Like, you know, what, what allowed you to stay true to yourself in this environment? Cause a lot of people talk about doing that. Most people like have a hard time following through.

Like what do you attest that to? Definitely the way that I was raised, my parents and I'm the youngest. Like my siblings don't play, my parents don't play. Like and like I guess I have always been like that since I was a kid and like I just like I can't be anything else because I have this time to know what I'm gonna say until it's already in my mouth. So it's like I really don't have a choice because I just be word-vomiting and then my facial expressions also have no Like they just come out as well Like it's really like it would be so like cringy if I was trying to be so because it would be so obvious

And I'm a year Virgo. Yeah What's your sign in Cardo? I'm a Gemini I don't know. Oh, the silence is real. What's going on? Oh, that makes sense. Oh, shit. I knew that.

Yeah. I could fucking tell. Cordell, how does it feel to be the most famous Beckham? That's nuts. Is it really like that? I mean like today for sure. Wow that's crazy. How the turn tables. But no that's um wow I didn't even know that was happening. We just got our phones. So I don't really know what's going on. And like I kind of got I kind of I didn't even pick it up when like my brother was on the call.

He was telling us about how he was at the micro Ruben white party. Yeah, yeah. People coming up him saying like, yo, are you watching this? Your little brother love Island him and Serena, this and that. It's just it didn't hit me until like literally now. But you just said that it's crazy. I didn't even think that I was even in that position. They didn't even think I would be in that position.

To be honest with you, Nick went to the ESPYs and he didn't you caption a photo saying that you were looking for. Yeah, my capture for the ESPYs was we're like looking for looking for Cardell no it's like I was looking for Odell to ask about Cardell yeah that was a good caption people really liked it no but seriously Cordell, also I wanna pay you a compliment too. Just like I feel like being the brother of a famous athlete,

I think a lot of times there's siblings of celebrities that maybe just play the role of like, oh, they kinda like, oh yeah, that guy, his brother is famous. But you're so humble and down to earth and you're fun and just, you just never would have thought that you were someone who maybe came from a famous brother

who acted like they were entitled or anything like that. You were so fun to watch and so easy to root for. And it was just a lot of fun. And I feel like you did your family very proud. Not that my opinions matters, but it was a real joy to watch as well. No, I appreciate that. I just like, because it's not, that's not me. I'm not the type of brag.

And as far as like my brother, yeah, like he might be famous, but to me, he's my brother, I just, I see him as my brother. I look up to him. He's my role model, but not an aspect of just like me just saying, oh yeah, my brother's old, they'll be doing the most famous, uh, football player. Like, I don't, I don't say that. Like, I just, he just like, brother's Odell Biffin Jr., the most famous football player. I don't say that. I just think he's just like, he's my big bro. Sometimes I'll be forgetting that he's super famous

because I just look at him as my big bro. Yeah, well your humility definitely shined through and it was very charming and it was something I think a lot of people loved about you. I know you just got your phones back. Everything's kinda crazy right now. What is the first, I'm sure was something I think a lot of people loved about you. I know you just got your phones back. Everything's like kind of crazy right now. Like what is the, like I'm sure you guys have talked a lot about like the things that you wanna do in the normal life

or what are the things that you're kind of most looking forward to when things kind of slow down a little bit? Like whose place have you guys talked about visiting first? Like what are the things that you look most forward to? For starters, the first thing that we're gonna do is go to an amusement park. Yay. And we're going to do is go to an amusement park. Yay. And we're going to run around that shit like children because we love roller coasters.

This is the first person I've been with who loves roller coasters. And I'm the most excited about that. We're going to go to Six Flags because they have a crazier one. And then maybe we'll hit up Universal. But that's what we're doing. We're going on an amusement park tour. And then we're going to El Cot with PPG and PPGM. PPGM is P-P-G-Men.

That's us. Yeah. And we're gonna go drink around the world, get laid. But, yeah. Then I have decided that I will move out there in LA to be closer with her. You're gonna move to LA? Welcome. All right. You know, move to LA? Welcome, all right.

You know, this is real. Everything, all these feelings is real and I definitely wanna pursue everything with her. And I just, I'll like see how far we can go and how much more we can grow together. Hell yeah, man. So, like, work for that out of everything. Yeah, it was, I'm sure you've heard this a lot, Cardell,

but like you really broke all our hearts when you went to Casa Amor for a second. But you guys, you made it up. You made it up, we don't wanna live that. I know you probably have been answering a lot of questions. You guys came back together. No, it's cool. Yeah, we actually don't care about that. You can ask as many questions.

Was there ever a moment when you were worried that Serena wasn't gonna forgive you? Yeah, I ain't even gonna sit here and lie. Yeah, I was like, gonna sit here and lie. Yeah, I was like, man, I was talking to Rob. I said, Rob, look at me, man, because you're telling me straight, it's over with, ain't it? He was like, yeah, bro.

Oh, shit. It's done, dude. I was like, fuck, but that didn't stop me. And I kept going. I even went to the girls. I asked them, like, you know, I'm trying as hard as I can. Like, you know, I was asking everybody for help because I don't mind asking for help. You know, I do like to do things on my own.

I do, but I'll never not ask for help, especially when it comes to situations like these, when I know like I might lose somebody very special that I really like and I would have done everything I was fighting for. I even told her you know And I gave her space and that's why I went to the girls because I wanted to give her her space But I still want to check in on her and see like how everything is is she okay?

And you know, I don't know. I just never stopped You know all I could do is you know Take accountability for everything and then give her space and you know acknowledge her feelings Which is what the first very first thing that I did not just because I had to because I wanted to because she deserved it and and that's just who I am that's who I was that's how I was raised so yeah it was tough I thought it was I thought it was done between the two of us but even though I had those thoughts I didn't stop. Yeah honestly like you can ask Gigi,

they was like, what are the percentages? I was like, maybe a decimal point. Okay, that man is dumb. So you're saying there's a chance. That decimal point was strong. That's what I'm talking about, yeah. That's a decimal point. No, but I did like the way that he carried himself

after CASA and like the accountability He took and like he allowed me space to be like really upset even like cousin I'm done and throw breakfast on him and he was still like once you She's obligated to feel how she feels you know that that to me that wasn't her just yelling at me Making problems to me. I was just her expressing her emotions, telling me how she feels, showing me how she feels, telling me that she was hurt.

I acknowledge that. It was a very sad thing to see. It hurt me, seeing her hurt like that. It was crazy. In her cry. Be dramatic. No. Just being. It was a little dramatic. That was emotions. It was crazy. And her cry, like. Be dramatic. No, just being, that was emotional. It was emotional.

You're allowed to feel how you feel. Like it was in the moment. Yeah. I love you guys so much. Yeah, like it was real pure emotions and that showed how she really felt towards me. And I seen that, even though I seen it already, I seen like a lot more and it was like,

like what did I do? And I definitely, if it's one thing that I regret, it's me going about the ways that I did what I did in CASA. I definitely could have been more respectable about that. So I could have been, yeah. But I mean, I will say it was night and day the way you chose to like be accountable versus Aaron in a way.

Like Serena, I'm assuming you wouldn't have taken Cordell back if he would have handled your frustrations the same way Aaron handled Kayla's, right? Man, honestly, I probably got kicked out of the villa. I bet I would've. I would've. I would've been kicked out of the villa. Like, y'all, I mean, y'all saw me, liked it. I would have liked it. I would have liked it. I would have liked it.

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I would have thought that you were four years older than Aaron, not the other way around. Yeah, like you seem like, again, really grounded. Like you learned a lot. I mean, you just, like you face adversity in the best, like that's how, to me, like, that's a testament of someone's character. Like we all fuck up, we all make mistakes.

How do we handle it? How do we respond? And like you responded like someone who someone who wasn't gonna make excuses. You were gonna take whatever Serena wanted to give you because she was the one who was hurt. And you were just easy to root for the both of you. We're like, no, it's just like, we care for Kayla. She seems like a really sweet girl.

I love her instincts, but when it comes to Erin, it's just like, bro, what are you doing? Do you guys see it the same way or, you know, you guys were there, you know, is it, are we reading it right? No. Yeah. I think you are. Um, that girl is dangerously in love with that man.

It crazy, but Hey, the heart wants with the heart one. I think, yeah, I think, yeah, I think she really, really liked him. I think he likes her too. I think they love it. I mean, their boyfriend and girlfriend now, their parents take like, I mean, they do really like each other. Maybe he just got to handle the situation differently.

Maybe, yeah. Obviously me and Kayla have very different mindsets. So I just, you know, I support women's rights. And I just support women's rights. We're just going to support it. There we go. Uh, another thing about that whole situation, you know, it was being truthful. I literally told her every single thing

and I did not leave nothing out. And I was even willing to tell her the moment that I walked in and she didn't want to hear it yet. And I told her whenever she's ready, I will break it down to you step by step of what happened. And I didn't miss nothing to the point where the little comments,

anything anybody said. And when it was showed on movie night, it was to the point where she could probably recite, recite them because I literally told her everything and not because I had to, but because she deserved it. She, and I wanted to, that's just who I am naturally. That's how I was raised once again. So yeah, man, you're, you're, you're a, you're a standup man. Like, oh, we just love you're, you're a, you're a stand up man. Like we just love you even more now. Yeah. Great answers. Yeah. No, I, I was very hard to hear. It was and the,

like all the comments I was like, man, I was like, I can't do this right now. I'm gonna need some, like some time to process. There's a lot. When I watched the movie and I, and it was everything verbatim, down to the little comment, if you know what I'm saying. In a weird way that that make you kind of trust him more, because it's like he's shooting me straight.

Because clearly that, again, not to throw Erin on the bus, but that seemed to be a different situation for those two where it was like he was bread crumbing and telling her just enough to like get her to stop asking questions. It felt like, yeah, no, a hundred percent. I didn't agree with that at all, but it's not my couple. So it's not my place, but all I will say is that they definitely love each other. But yeah, I think that Aaron definitely learned about it

a lot better. And I suppose like not to make excuses for Cordell, but like I'm guessing you went into Casa More more uncertain about your all connection and that's why you felt like it was maybe okay to test things out or is that, was that the general reason why you kind of made that mistake?

Honestly, it was just, I literally knew where I was at. I just, I don't know. I had this plan and it was stupid as hell. I went for the test and like, see if it was strong, like really, really strong or whatever, and that's the main reason I brought it back, brought her back. I even told her, like I broke it down a day. I was like, you know, regardless of what it says, we're not coupled up.

I want to test this connection with Serena and see where it's stronger. And I know where I'm at. And I just want to see like how strong it really is. It was so stupid, but I mean, it worked out in a weird way, which I didn't even say that because it sounds weird saying it out loud, but. Yeah, it was a dumb plan, but it worked. Yeah. But yeah, you're together now.

I would say I definitely also took accountability for like, you know, being a teeny tad bit wishy washy in the beginning, I was just very like scared and guarded and I didn't want to like be as open. He was so open, like and vulnerable with me from the jump and it was just like a lot for me. But like it wasn't fair to him. He's an amazing guy. So I did like open up and be more vulnerable, maybe like two days before CASA starting then, but it was like, you know, today's for CASA. So yeah, I mean, obviously, I'm not sure if that would change anything if I would have dated sooner, but you know, I took a part of accountability and apologize for that.

Yeah, we should just do like a first start. We had a real heart that those conversations was real deep. Just her really expressing how she felt. And it was funny because we were actually talking about Casa not knowing that Casa was literally coming up. And this is probably one of the main reasons why, you know, that it was so hurt because we had a conversation of being respectful of like what's gonna go on in the class

of setting the boundaries and this, that, and the third. And I came in with that plan. I talked to the boys before we left and I did not stand on it. I did not at all. So that's then coming back. And that's why I was so understanding. Like I was like, I get it.

And I got fucked up because we literally had that conversation so I couldn't blame nobody but myself. You're so easy to learn. Nick's looking at you with hard eyes right now. On an upward note, what was going through your mind when you won Love Island and did you guys think you were gonna win or like where did you think you were in the running like were you like maybe second or did you know that you were gonna win or like where did you think you were in the running? Like, were you like maybe second or did you know that you guys were like first contenders?

Or would you have been pissed if you lost? I actually did not think we were going to win at all. This guy forgot that there was even winners. I saw that. Which again makes it so genuine. Love that about him. Every time I announce the winners, I'm like, oh shit, I forgot you got a winner.

Yeah, I love that for sure. Honestly, it's Cord cordels Lord and we're just One of the most charming things I've seen on reality TV You know most you know a lot of people didn't get accused of like going for fame and fortune and things like that And Cordell's like man. I'm just in love. I don't even give a shit. I came to love Island found love. I Want we're like who is this guy? And Cordell's like, man, I'm just in love. I don't even give a shit. I came to Love Island, found love. I won.

We're like, who is this guy? I didn't think that we were going to win. Because I feel like in Love Island, you see certain type of relationships that win, certain type of relationships that get a lot of love. And I feel like ours was so unique that people would either hate it or love it. And it was a roller coaster so I was like damn American probably got off this roller

coaster two stops ago. I don't know. So out of the loop I was like I really don't know how they're feeling because it was a lot. I mean but like it was really authentic so I was just like whatever happens like I'm fine. I know we will have to be tearing up the streets on the house regardless of what happens. And the funniest part about it was like, as soon as we got announced the winners, you know how they have a whole tradition where you jump in the pool? Yeah. Yeah, I started taking stuff off and I was going to just get up in the pool. I forgot you got to do the whole reveal of the money and shit.

It was like, I was just ready. I'll take the jacket off. I'll start undoing the build. I was gonna take the pants off and just jump in there. Like. They're like, Cordell, what are you doing? I was like, why are you getting dressed? I was just so excited to share that moment with her. I was just like, let's do it.

Like, we're getting in the pool. This is the tradition. Everybody gotta do it now. How did you both end up on this show? Yeah, I was just like, they reached out. Yeah, one of the Cathy producers found me on TikTok, I think. They found me on Instagram and they got in touch with my manager and reached out

and we had like, conversation was long and they were asking like, do I wanna do this? I'm like, hey, fuck it. Let's do it. And, you know, did it. I'm so glad I took that opportunity, stepped out that comfort zone and I came to Fiji for the first time, traveled out the country for the first time, experienced it like this, had a birthday out there and met her and it was just amazing.

Very nice. I feel like Serena, you were probably like, you didn't say yes right away. I feel like you thought about it longer than Cardell or were you like an immediate yes to it? Oh yeah, I was back and forth. I was like, reality? Like, can I do this?

Because I know how I get. That's why I remember at the beginning of the class, I was like, if he comes up with a girl, I don't think nobody don't like this thing. And I'm about to pull out my ass. Like, I know how I get. And like I say, people either love it or hate it. But like I don't have a man like I'm telling you, but like,

now we love it. But yeah, so I was like, do I want to reveal to the world? And then I was like, you know what? Why not? Like I just I'm like a really big risk taker and I've got opportunity presented itself. Like I didn't think it would get far. Like she's like just put an application in. Didn't even submit a video of my application.

So I didn't really think it would get far. And then I ended up going on and I was like, Oh, well, okay. She made me. Who lives right down the street from me, which is a whole nother story. Like our lives are like parallel. Yeah. Oh, you guys are like invisible. That was a golden thread or invisible string, invisible string. You guys were mud for each other. Oh yes, yes, that's not true. Yeah. But actually. I saw you were wearing a similar.

That's the weirdest part about it. You're so alike. Cornell, you kept talking about being blind. Do you wear contacts or glasses or were you just like walking around like that? I never wear contacts. Blind, that's why y'all be seeing here. I never wear contacts. I do wear contacts. This man is blind. I probably look like this. That's why I'm over around like that. He never wears contact lenses. He's also kind of blind. That's why y'all be seeing him like this. I never wear contact lenses.

I do wear contact lenses. This man is blind. I probably look like he's a mom. That's why I'm over here like this. I'm trying to get close and see everybody. Wait, he probably can't see. Why don't you wear glasses or something? Y'all know the car that's pretty.

His letters have to be big. Cause he's blind. Like. They had to put them in bold. Don't they have like things called glasses and shit you can wear? He wore glasses at the heartbeat challenge. He now have glasses.

What about laces? Oh yeah, the heartbeat challenge. Can we give you some laces? They're the old prescription. Okay. Oh, well I did it. Laser surgery? Yeah, yeah, what about that?

Have you looked into that? No, I'm scared of that. You ever seen Final Destination? I don't watch that shit. So true, so true. Fair. Shoot, I don't know. I don't know.

It's been ever since then. I thought I would want to do it, but ever since then, it's just like, can that happen to me? Like, but I have glasses. They're just the wrong prescriptions. I was in the middle of doing it, but I guess since my eyesight is bad now,

I think the lens are thick and they were talking about it was going to take like a month or two for it to come in. And I was like, I ain't got that time. So I was like, I was bringing my old glasses and I didn't wear them that much because one of them is missing the whole part right here that goes behind the ear. And then the other one, it stops halfway right here. So I was hiding it with my hair.

So I already seen that on camera. Oh no. I love the glasses. They're doing really good. And then the other one, it stops halfway right here. So I was hiding with my hair. So I've already seen that on camera. Oh, no. I love the glasses. They're doing good. I don't know if you have something like the round ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

I would wear them, you know, especially for moving. I have to bust them out so I can see. That would have been the time of the Nazi. True. I have to say, you're the first heart rate challenge I've ever seen and I watched UK Love Island as well, where I was like laughing so hard. You were so funny when you came out with the hot nerd.

That was the most amazing heart rate challenge I've ever seen. I just had to, I had to tell you. Oh my god. Yes. You're getting shit. Yes. Yes. had to tell you. Oh my gosh. I literally got into the character.

I was so it's so funny because I was nervous, but then it all played a part of the nerdness. So I was using it. And then once I got down there, I looked at Serena, I just like, boom, I'm here. Let's do it. Doing a little, because like, you can do just, you know, some sexy shit, but why not make them laugh? You know, have fun with it. So I was doing like a mixture of both.

I was doing some liners and- And it worked, man, you won. Yeah, you clearly like proved that laughter is more powerful. Yeah, laughter is more powerful than the abs or whatever it was Miguel was doing with the flames. Yeah, it's moving me around. Like, I was like, there's no way. I closed my eyes and opened them to balls in my face.

I was like, this is ridiculous. Like, I had enough. I was like, I am tired of the balls in my face. Please make it stop. Oh man. Well, we know- I'm not having enough fun here. We know y'all gotta go.

We are so excited for the both of you. Truly, honestly, you guys are absolutely my favorite couple. Serena, you've, like, even as an individual, one of my favorite people to ever watch on reality TV. I love your authenticity, the both of you, like I'm absolutely rooting for you. No pressure, you guys making it work, but truly just an absolute joy to watch.

And thank you for making our Love Island experience so enjoyable. Thank you. Thank you for having us. Yeah, thank you all for having us. When you get to LA, look us up. We'd love to meet you guys in person, but have some fun, best of luck, Enjoy yourselves and take care. Thank you so much

Yeah, we definitely will be there all right there if you can help with any let us know take care guys Oh, thank you so much There is so nice what a lovely couple just as charming in person we love them absolutely absolutely Alright, well we got more this week. We got Kayla from Love Island talking about all things Love Island, her relationship with Erin, are they together? Should they be together? I know her mom's texting,

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