The Viall Files - E784 - Love Island’s Kendall, the Bachelorette Unhinged, Disney Channel Games, and the Olympics

Episode Date: July 30, 2024

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap! And Love Island USA is the gift that keeps on giving. Kendall joins us to talk about his experience on the show, leaving the villa, and coupling with Nicole. Meanwhile, we talk about the Paris Olympics, Disney Channel games, and all things unhinged in the recent episode of The Bachelorette.  “The world is a little bit different than a new bombshell.”  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes.  Follow us on X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheViallFiles Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Apostrophe - Get your first visit for only $5 at https://www.Apostrophe.com/VIALL when you use our code: VIALL. Huggies - Learn more at https://www.huggies.com  Cremo - You can find Cremo Men’s Body Wash in its new, distinctive Bourbon Vanilla scent at Walmart or https://www.Walmart.com  Cymbiotika - Head over to Cymbiotika.com and use code VIALL for 20% off + free shipping on your subscription order. Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @kendallwashington @ciaracrobinson @leahgsilberstein @justinkaphillips @dereklanerussell  Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 00:43 - Olympics 03:29 - Body Type 06:12 - Weird Sports 11:45 - Housekeeping 13:44 - Household Headlines 14:42 - Disney Channel Games18:08 - Green Lantern 19:46 - Minimum Wage 24:39 - Bachelorette 01:03:56 - Welcome Kendall 01:22:03 - Nicole 01:38:12 - Post Show 01:46:10 - Casa 02:00:41 - Ending Kendall 02:01:17 - Post Interview Thoughts 02:07:00 - Outro

What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Vyfiles Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick. We got the household with us minus scooter who is on her way to have a baby. Oh my gosh. That's so exciting. I'm your host, Nick. We got the household with us minus Scooter who is on her way to have a baby. Ooh, yay! Oh my gosh, that's so exciting. Don't you remember when we were doing that? I do, I do. That's crazy.

It feels like yesterday and now she's here. I was almost half a year old. Is she supposed to get a news tomorrow? Is that it? What was that? Tuesday. Tuesday. Well, today for you guys, tomorrow for us. Yay!

So excited for Scooter. The Olympics are going on. Did you guys watch the Olympics? Oh yeah. Anyone? We. Obsessed. We.

France. There we go. We turned it on all day. Got big in archery. Yeah. And fencing. And fencing. I didn't realize how much they hop during fencing.

They do hop a lot. I learned how it works. I'm so thankful for the person who explains the game and how it happens. I always am fascinated by these random sports. I learned how it works. I'm so thankful for the person who explains the game and how it happens. I always am fascinated by these random sports, like maybe non-mainstream sports. And then the comp, like where do they find the experts

to commentate on the sports? I don't know, it's like little leagues or something. I'm like that like, because it's also shocking how many people are in the stands too for these like random sports you've never heard of before. I was like, how does this even work? I learned about handball this weekend.

Love handball, team handball. Handball's cute. Yeah, it gave me the ick a little bit. Why did it give you the ick? I don't know. It just, and like don't come for me because I don't know. It's the first time I saw it

but it felt like I was watching like kids kind of make up their own sport. They're like, well, we don't do basketball. We don't do soccer. We don't do rugby, but let's just throw it all together and then see what happens. And then I was like, I just couldn't imagine being stuck in a conversation,

like date with a guy that plays handball. Yeah, and he's like, okay, so then you're gonna bounce it and then you're gonna throw it and then you'll dribble once. And I was like, it's too intense for me. Canceled. It's a fun game. Canceled, canceled by the hand game community. By the handball community.

Handball community. I'll take it, I'm sorry. The hand job community. I just love the intensity that the commentators bring. We were turned on archery and it was like South Korea versus China. South Korea had never lost and we had turned it on when it was like a sudden death situation

and the commentators were like, hold your breath. This might be the most intense Olympic moment of all time. Meanwhile, no one knows how archery works at all, but I was totally in for like, for the 30 seconds. We caught it at the very end. It was already in the middle of a sudden death situation. South Korea defended their title. Again, they've never lost.

China, I think, also always taken second. Super competitive sport, apparently. Pretty iconic. I feel like I would be very good at rugby, and I wanna play. Whoa. Okay, rugby. Hot take, and I know I'm gonna get trolled for that

because you're gonna be like, bitch. I'll do the sidelines. But I feel like I would be. I think she would be too. What part? Just like the running with and how the score, like running into people. The American women's rugby team.

Oh, they're both. Dominating. Yeah. It seems to be like professionals versus high school people. Like every time I looked up women's rugby scored, they played Japan and then they played Brazil. Either way they're dominated.

Maybe that's why, because they made it look so easy. Yeah. You can tackle. Well, yeah, I could for sure tackle. Okay. And I could like, I- I think you get the frame. Interesting.

Thank you. You're sleeping outside tonight. And like, I feel like that's a compliment in a weird way, but thank you very much. Speaking of my body type, my boobs are to my ankles. Oh. No, and it's so sad because listen, I would argue that they were maybe my best teacher.

Okay, I was very blessed. Like people would nonstop be like, just fucking admit it, you have fake boobs. Just admit it, just say it, just say it. And I was like, guys, I really don't. Like fucking admit it you have fake boobs. Just admit it Just say it just say it and I was like guys I really don't like they were really good and then I had a baby and then I breastfed that baby and she has sucked them To the absolute nothings of nothings and now they are down Deflated titties down to my ankles and it's so depressing

it's like Every day possibly the a bit of exaggeration, but Natalie is going through it right now. Like whenever I put on a bra, I have to pick up my titty and put it into my bra. No, they're literally, it's the saddest thing. Like why would they do that to you? You give the miracle of life.

They have to take, they need all the things. They need everything. I'm sure they'll bounce back, right? No, this is where they'll bounce back, right? Yeah, and this and they're they're doing the opposite I said that last night too, okay I was like, it's a little too late for them to bounce back. We are done with No situations. I don't know what I'm supposed to say other than like you look Amazing and I'm like, I'm like, but do they look better than before? And he's like, well, yes.

And I'm like, before I had a baby, he's like, they look the same. I'm like, do they? He's like, I don't know what I'm supposed to say in this moment, cause I feel like it's a game of gotcha. You're fucking lying. Lose lose situation. Just keep your mouth shut.

So if y'all see me on Instagram with some big old rock hard fake tits, it's that's why. You know now people anytime your boobs look good, which they do on the internet, now people are gonna accuse you of getting like. But no, no, no, they'll know because I'm gonna make it like a whole thing.

I'm not just gonna like pop up one day. I'm gonna be like, okay, everyone, we're gonna do get ready with to make it like a whole thing. I'm not just going to like pop up one day. I'm going to be like, OK, everyone, this I'm going to get we're going to do. Get ready with me to get my boobs done. I just lifted my arms up every day and then all of a sudden just went back exactly the way that they were. So I actually took I took a safety pin and I pinned them up to my chest so that they are no longer down to my ankles. Yeah, beautiful. It's thanks.

It's just so sad. Well, you said you're going to wait till after you have a second baby, right? I'll wait after the second, but I'm probably not waiting till the third. No. You know, like, thank God I'm married and like, you just, like, you knew me before. So like, you were like, you know what, at least you got some of that. I think you look great. For sure.

I don't... I'm just here to let everyone know that new insecurity unlocked is deflated, saggy ass titties. Couldn't tell. Not at all. Oh well. Yeah. Well.

Yeah. Should we go through the list of the most niche Olympic sports? Yes, of course. Jump right back into it. We have breaking. Break dancing. Like break dancing. That's an Olympic sport. I would do good at that.

We have rhythmic gymnastics. Love. So like ribbon twirling and like the ball. I love anything else to do with gymnastics. Same. Yeah. We have Olympic trampoline. How is that different than gymnastics?

Rhythmic gymnastics is dance with the ribbon. No, no, no, no, no. The trampoline. I'm familiar with rhythmic gymnastics, but like trampoline. How is that different rhythmic gymnastics, but like trampoline. How is that different? One's on a trampoline, one's on a bar, a beam, the floor, gymnastics.

You're throwing your whole body around. Why does trampoline get their whole own? You're thinking of vaults. Like vault is where you jump off of it. I'm just wondering why trampoline gets its own sport, but gymnastics is a collection of a variety of activities. Ha! No.

Good question, right? No, because it's like you have floors, you have uneven bars. It's all the same thing, but you? No, it's not. It's not, no. It's like you have floors, you have uneven bars. Gymnastics, gymnastics. It's all the same thing, but you're just doing it in different. Why are you looking at me like I'm crazy? Because I feel like that was crazy.

Can I see a picture of a trampoline Olympic athlete? And that's not a gymnastic athlete? That's, they're on a trampoline. And what's the goal? They only do stuff on a trampoline. No, no, I get that. I'm sure they have the same skill set to a degree. Do they?

Of like flipping and bouncing. They don't get the- He's trying to help you. I feel like the trampoline is the Olympic athlete. He's on your side here. Natalie and I are like, they're different. You're not wrong. I think it's different technique.

Like do I think if Simone Biles was told she needed to do the trampoline, would she absolutely get gold on it? Probably. Sure, exactly. But I do think they have different difficulties. I guess my point is I feel like all the Olympic gymnastic people could be better

than the Olympic trampoline people if they wanted to, but they're just too busy doing gymnastics. Sure, all right. Not to get all the trampoline enthusiast after me this morning, but like. When was the last time y'all jumped on a trampoline? That wasn't allowed to happen when I was little, so. People broke their arms on it.

My sister broke her arm on one. Exactly. My brother did too, but that didn't stop my mom from getting us one, and we would wet it with the hose and jump on it. So it was like extra dangerous. Yeah, but you'd go super high. Wet it?

With a hose. Is wet it a word? Water it. What's going on? Wet it. Did it wet? Wet it Is wet it a word? Water it. What's going on? Wet it. Did it wet? Wet it. Is that a word?

Wet it. I mean, you say wet the bed, that's an action verb, so wet it. Wet it, yeah. Carry on. Yeah, and you jump really high, I wonder. If they wet the trampoline. Have you seen the workout that's on trampolines right now?

And women. Oh, where you bounce? Yeah, they're like, and they're jumping, but they're doing kind of a routine where they're right now and women. Oh, where you bounce? Yeah, they're like, and they're jumping, but they're doing kind of a routine where they're like kicking and turning. Where they're in the, they're like strapped to the ceiling? No, I've seen that one too. Those are good.

That one's crazy. They hold like a frame. No, there's no frame. There's just like a small individual trampoline and they're like kicking knee up and everybody knows what they're doing in the class. They're wearing like a vest? No.

That's a different one. That's the like, whoosh. They have like goats, they have goats jumping on them as they do it. Right, right. We'll get there. Honestly, it's like, it's so impressive to watch because they all know this routine that they're doing,

but however, I'm just like, if I were doing it, I would be the person that like is the reason why they have waivers in the beginning. Like my foot would go through. I saw a tweet that was like, middle-aged women will do anything but work out. And that was the thing they used was trampolines. That was one of the trampolines. And I know what you guys are talking about where they look like they're like skydiving kind of. Okay, wait, there's modern pentathlon.

What is that? You ride horses. Did you like, do you like dressage? Love. Yeah. It's so pretty. It's so fun to watch. Is that where the horses jump over things? No.

They're like dancing horses. And they shoot targets. Man. Yeah. The Olympics are fun. The Olympics are crazy. We have marathon swimming. Love.

What? Marathon swimming. How far do they go? A marathon. Idiot. They do 26 miles. It says over two hours. That's not the same. I don't know. Oh do 26 miles. It says over two hours. That's not the same.

I don't know. Oh. Table tennis. Love ping pong. And sports climbing. Rock climbing. So like indoor rock climbing, yeah. That's the most.

Those are the weird ones, yeah. So we can go through the whole list if you want to. No, no, no, that's okay. I feel like we don't need to do that. Anything with a race I love, the swimming, the track and field, gymnastics is pretty great. Yep.

I will say I think I watched the wrong live stream because my whole live stream was in like French. There was no English commentator. Were you watching on Peacock? I was watching on Peacock. I was like Peacock? But I must have done the wrong thing and I was like I think they should be explaining. You just thought that's just because it's in France. Yeah I was like I guess that's we're just supposed to know and we just dig the vibe.

Can I also say how cool it is that Peacock has the instant replays, so you can replay any event that's happened. So I was going back and watching stuff from day one qualifications, but I was like, that is so awesome because you've never really gotten to experience it like that before where it's like, if you miss something,

you don't have to record it, you can just go back and watch it. It's only live for 15 days though. So you better watch. Do you have a favorite country other than America to root for? France and some of the things. Italy.

I don't know. I'm just a big fan of the whole thing. Australia. All of them. All of them. Algeria, Albania. Albania. Celine Dion though.

I didn't even know what she was saying and I was crying. Like it was so beautiful. It was her first time coming back like singing out of retirement. Well, she has, she's having some major health problems. Stiff person. She's, but she's out there. Yeah. She has stiff person so she lost control

for like vocal muscles. So that's why her singing was like such a big deal because she was able to sustain. It was so good. So beautiful. Before we get into the rest of the household headlines, we got an amazing week lined up for you. Kendall from Love Island is with us this episode.

Getting into all your burning questions about him and Nicole. Will they, won't they? Will they last? Will they, will not last? What has happened? What has happened? Post Love Island.

Lot of speculation about that relationship. We get a lot of answers with Kendall. He was very generous. He was very generous. He was very generous. We appreciate Kendall's time. There's a lot of speculation online about the relationship of Kendall and Nicole. The entire cast of Love Island has been hanging out

in LA, around LA. I think they saw him at Din Tai Fung. We told Kayla to go there. I don't know if she gave him the recommendation. We also went to Din Tai Fung this weekend. We did not see the Love Island cast. They also are already all home. Oh, they're all home. No, so we're behind the eight ball. But not a lot of people have seen Nicole and Kendall together. Nicole seems to be hanging out with

Andrea. Like they all went to Universal, but like Kendall and Nicole like not hanging out together. Are they still together? What's going on? Kendall answers all those questions of why we like, are they going to make it? He's very honest? Kendall answers all those questions of why we, are they gonna make it? He's very honest about where they stand and we appreciate Kendall. So we get into that later this episode. Also we have Jen Tran with us Thursday for Reality Recap, your Bachelorette.

This was maybe the most wild episode of the Bachelorette. I've laughed so fucking hard. It was the most ridiculous episode I've ever seen. And this season almost seems like a parody of itself. Oh, for sure. This episode specifically. The guys are nuts. I cannot wait to ask Jen all of these questions

because I have so many. Yeah, so we have her this week and then on Wednesday in a special Going Deeper episode with your fan favorites, Jenne and Kenny. What a sweet, fun couple. It's a really fun interview with them. I feel like we really got to know them, their love story, the behind the scenes.

Spoiler alert, I think they have a shot. I do too. I think they have a shot. They show us why in that and so much more on Wednesday. So do not forget to check out Going Deeper this week. All right, what do we got for the rest of Household Headlines, what's going on Justin? Did you see, there was a poker player who won

2.2 million on a $5 bet in Vegas. Basically, this is- Is he professional? No, so the, well, he might have been, but the casino shared the news on Facebook on Wednesday revealing that the unidentified person had a seven card straight flush, which happens when all of the cards are the same suit in a sequential order. In this case, the player got a seven, a flush, which happens when all of the cards are the same suit in a sequential order.

In this case, the player got a seven, a nine, a 10, a Jack, a Queen, and a King in clubs with the Joker serving as an eight. The Venetian Resort notes that the payout of $2,211,469 is the largest amount won in the Pi-Gao progressive in the casino's history and noted that this is a.00139% probability. On a $5 bet, two million. You know his family or wife was like, don't you dare, don't you fucking go there and spend all of our money. And he's like, maybe I'm just gonna spend $5,

don't worry about it. And now she's like, spend it all. And she's like, go back to Vegas, babe. That's crazy. Baby, did you watch the Disney Channel games? Duh! You did. Did I live under a rock?

Well, apparently Sierra and I did. I watched it. Y'all are also, yeah. It's okay, you can say it. Nick Jonas said it was like Love Island on crack. Absolutely that. You think so? Oh my God, you don't?

At first, explain to the audience, Nick, what Disney games were. It was like all of the Disney Channel stars from like every single show would like come together and like do challenges. It's like Wipeout. Like the Love Island games. Yeah. The competition that they're now doing. Yeah.

Yeah, so he said. You think they were all hooking up? Oh my God, duh. I feel like I thought about that when it was airing. I was like, oh my God, I really hope Nick and Miley will hang out together and I really hope Dimmy and you know, like you just, I did. Maybe I'm just.

Did Nick refer to any flings that he had? I think, I understand as he referred to it as like they were all friends. It was like a social experiment rather like hooking up because he specifically said they'd bring in a hundredish disney channel stars from all over the world and make us compete in silly games but when it really was was like love island on crack they would put a bunch of teenagers in the disney park after hours and just say let's see what happens like that to me is giving let's just see if they date and like mess around and drama dating in like

your teenage years is? Were they not all 16, 14? Yeah, and they were all hooking up and dating, and dating each other. I get what Justin's saying. I don't know if I wanna, what does that mean when you're 15? We know they were dating. Yeah, making out, oh, well, I like him today.

Maybe I like her tomorrow, who knows? But I think that they're definitely just having fun. It's like summer camp. He's my boyfriend this week. Nevermind, we just broke up. He's my boyfriend this week. Nevermind, we just broke up. He's my boyfriend this week. But it is crazy to think, and I wouldn't be shocked, but all the crazy things that have come out

with the whole Nickelodeon special, it is kind of fucked up to think that a bunch of potential producers threw a bunch of like teenagers into a room and being like, let's see what happens, hoping that they would hook up and get physical. It's kind of weird. I don't think on that, yeah, I was about to say,

none of that was aired. No, I mean, no doubt. We're just saying what teenage kids are gonna do. It's like these kids don't go to high school, they're on the Disney Channel. So I'm like, you put them at summer camp where they're getting paid to play games all day, what are they doing at night?

That's what I'm saying, but the equivalent is a bunch of teachers being like, let's get these high schooler kids in a room and see what happens. You know, like, yeah, I mean, not teenagers are going to teenager, but like you're, you're trying to. I don't think it's as nefarious as that. The, my point being is that if you put a bunch of teenagers on the summer camp or whatever,

they're going to do whatever they're going to do at night. I don't think it's like parents being like, oh, let's send our kids. And then hopefully they all hook up with each other. I'm just saying kids are going to do what kids are going to do. And these are all famous kids that don't go to high school, that this is like the most camaraderie. I think it's like the camaraderie of being in like,

around people that have similar backgrounds and they're like, you understand me. Well, cause Love Island's about dating, not sex, right? So if he's comparing it to Love Island, it's like they're just all dating each other. Exactly. True. I think he meant that.

I will say, Allie and AJ, when they came on the show, they said that it was more like, everybody's just dating each other. Yeah. So think he meant that. I will say, Allie and AJ, when they came on the show, they said that it was more like everybody's just dating each other. Yeah. So that's what she explained the whole fraternity of it as. I don't think it's a bunch of kids fucking. I think it's a bunch of kids being like, ooh, huh. They were also in the Disney park.

So where are they? I don't mean they're in the park. Somebody touched a boob, for sure. For sure. That's where I'm going with it. In the teacups. Yeah. Meanwhile, Ryan Reynolds claims he would rather watch

24 hours of Paw Patrol Marathon than watch The Green Lantern. He really hates that movie. He hates it. Why do you think he hates it? It really did poorly. It did poorly. It did not do well.

I liked it though. It wasn't that bad. I watched, I saw it in the theaters for a work training in Knoxville, Tennessee. They required you to go see that movie? No, I mean, I was there for a week. It was for a med device job

and I was in Knoxville training for a week. You had a free week, you had a free night. I had a free day, I went to the movie theaters. I saw back to back movies, a little double header. And Green Lantern was one of them. Green Lantern was one of them. And you enjoyed it? I thought it was not the best one.

Yeah, it's not his best work for sure, but he met his wife there. He looked hot. Yeah, so what? Good line called water in the tab. So why would he hate it if that's like the start of like him and his wife? I think he likes to make fun of it

because it did so poorly. And it was before he really like came out and became like Ryan Reynolds, a superstar, and you know, in Deadpool and things like, Ryan Reynolds is a superstar in Deadpool and things like that. I am curious though, is there a show that River watches that you guys are obsessed with? River does not, she doesn't do any screen time.

Cocomelon, YouTube? Nothing, no. Maybe eventually, but we just haven't been in a place where we need to turn to a screen to entertain her. Is there music that she likes? Classical music, we play that at nighttime. She likes when I sing and perform. Oh, so you are the TV.

Yes, I am the TV. She was performing all night last night. None of us left. She was on one. She was like, what are you doing? It's time to play. And it was 3 a.m. and it was definitely not time to play. Got it.

Yeah, so she was crazy. She was on one. But what are you gonna do? Arianna Maddox and Katie Maloney facing more criticism about some of them here, why are they, what is going on with some of them here? Why are people coming after these ladies so much? Well, now they're coming after her

because there was a job listing for one of their team members and basically it was listed as $21 per hour. The prep team position would receive pay training and an employee discount and an employee would be expected to work part-time between 15 to 30 hours a week, Monday through Friday. That's around. People are saying that like $21 in LA is nothing because this is like a high stakes restaurant of like it's always busy and like it's only part-time. What do you mean it's high stakes?

That's what the people are saying. But high stakes in the sense of like, it's constantly busy, there's always lines outside, like there's celebrities that come in with like photo ops. So it's like, you're not just there working like a mundane job in a sense, like you're there like. So because celebrities come, it's high stakes? Or just like it's busy. Yeah, I mean, I get it's busy. Yeah. Well, I think it's a very small,

is it very, it's very small sandwich shop. So I guess like- How much do they think they should beg? I don't know, but I mean, someone came out and said that they live next to a sandwich shop in Ohio that was offering $24 per hour so they're saying like Ohio $24 compared to LA busy restaurant 21 is like nothing How long have they worked at the sandwich shop for $24 an hour? Good point. I don't know. I mean it just I'm also like California minimum wage is

What's 16? I don't know. I mean, it just I'm also like California minimum wage is what 16, 16 dollars. Is it an hour in twenty twenty four? So I don't think twenty one dollars an hour is bad. Is it for a sandwich? I don't think so. For a sandwich shop job. I would assume also that like fans are the ones applying for the job. So am I wrong to think like you also get the like the The perks? The perks of just working out something about her? Yeah. Who recently came in with his wife?

Seth Rogen. Seth Rogen and his wife came in. You get to meet Seth Rogen. Well, I was like the- Plus get 21 bucks an hour. I was like, your issue isn't with the sandwich shop, your issue is with minimum wage in general. So I'm like, if the minimum wage is 16

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What what is going on? You said it right that this episode is a spoof It is like if you didn't watch episode one or two or three and then saw four you think four was the characters But they're not the same people. It's unbelievable like salmon specifically all of them Well, it's well all the boat all the Sam's yes This is who's Sam's are unhing. Why did it take so long for Jesse Palmer to reveal he's the reason you can't eat on one-on-ones? I did not know that. But hasn't he been hosting for a few years now?

A few. And I've never seen him eat food. No, but why didn't he come out and say that sooner? Why are we, why now? Why do we feel like now is the time to share with the audience? I know a lot about what goes on in that universe. I did not know that Jesse Palmer was the reason.

I just thought they just always did it that way and they didn't want to hear people chewing, but turns out, you know. And they rolled the footage and it was valid. And Jesse always had food in his mouth. Yeah. She took Sam M. on the date. And I do feel like he did not watch any previous episode

of What to Do When Bachelorette is scared. He didn't watch that episode, he skipped that one. It was absolutely bizarre. Oh my God, it took him five business days to understand that he needs to just support. Oh, it was crazy. He's like, yeah, well, if you're not gonna do it now, I guess I'll hold you and to say it's okay

after I completely shamed her and basically called her a pussy. He's like after she's shaking from head to toe, sobbing, crying, like, oh, fine, I guess I'll get off the side of this building and give her a hug. Because he was also smiling. He's like, no, we're doing it. Oh, it was bizarre. And then smiling at her.

Like, you're going to do it. It was crazy. I'm all for challenging your partner, but it's kind of like, you're going to do this. Yeah. We're going to do this. You're going to remember in the future. Not like, hey babe, what if we just did it together and encourage, you know?

Not like, tell her what she's going to do and then why she's doing it and call that being supportive. Also, challenge me to try a new food, not jump off a fucking building. What? Sorry, I don't wanna do that. And his response was actually fucking building. What? Sorry. I don't want to do that. And like his response was actually fucking crazy.

I think the difference, we obviously saw her so scared with Marcus and the skydiving and he handled that so well. So like the contrast. Is there a world where Jen wasn't as scared as she led on and just was testing Sam to see how he would react in handling her fears. Only because she seemed really terrified walking and then was like, fuck it, I'll jump. And it was like totally fine afterwards.

And then I forgot that she did go skydiving. And I would, however, I will agree with Jen that skydiving is not what you think if you've never done it. And like standing over like dead air. Like one string. Like hundreds of feet in this in the in the sky actually is scarier i mean i think it's different because

she got support from him before she jumped off the building so i think when she was just standing above it she was freaking out because she was like i like physically can't think and he's just laughing at me but i do think it's also like a good test and I do think it's why they do these dates is to like see, you know, and so when she's not getting the response, she's like, how fucking long is it gonna take this guy? Let's just like see. No, he was just like sitting there. It was bizarre.

Like waiting for her to be okay. And then he like, it's like someone had to tell him to be supportive. And then he goes, I could see it from the look in her eye that she was terrified. I was like, how long did it take you to look in her eyes? How long? You couldn't see when she was like, no, no, I really don't want to do this.

I really don't want to do this. I just don't want to do this. You didn't believe her then? That's weird. In his defense, she was very proud when she jumped off. It's like it worked out in the end, but the journey there was not eating. But he didn't know what the end would be like. What if she got to the bottom and she was like, I fucking hated that.

I wish I wouldn't have done it. Then he would have been like, oh, thought. He would just sit there smiling. Yikes. Yeah, that was wrong. Do you think that Jen let him off too easy? Yes.

Oh, for sure. For sure. I feel, I wish she would have been like, I didn't appreciate you not like, and I am gonna ask her about that. I'm gonna be like, did you, what was going on there, babe? Yeah, I really wanna know from Jen, like mid-season, like is he as awful as he appears to be?

It seems like his family and him are trying to defend his edit, if you will. He comes across as quite the meathead. Does the bare minimum. Yeah. Has a couple of catchphrases. Which his Thomas seems to- To have taken it, so he came off so unnatural.

What does it keep the main thing? The main thing, you know, was he not literally quoting Sam and like they've been hanging out too much and he's like, no, I know this line. Let me use this line. He was also hammered. Did you see when Sam in came in to interrupt and Thomas left? Yeah, he was hammered. I didn't know. Oh my over. Yeah. He was hammered.

I didn't notice that. Oh my God. Yeah, rolled the tape. Like he almost, he's walking through the doorway and like stumbles and almost falls over. Oh no. He was so hammered. I thought he was just stunned by like the experience.

It was Sam and is brutal. It's so bad. Who the fuck is this guy? He woke up and chose violence. Yeah. The flipping of the jersey over his shoulder and carrying the trophy was gnarly. I saw it coming that she was gonna send him home

even with the whole, hey Jen, look at the back of my jersey and she was like, okay. I have a little sympathy for Sam Edden because I feel like he just doesn't know. I mean, his behavior was unhinged. Unhinged. And truly unbelievable. There are not producer plants, not just doesn't know. I mean, his behavior was unhinged. Unhinged. And truly unbelievable.

There are not producer plants, not I don't think. I know there are not producer plants. But for all the fans who love to speculate every season about the outrageousness of some of its cast members, like Sam N felt like he's this guy. How do they find this guy? But he does seem to be truly like inexperienced and he just takes himself way too fucking serious.

I mean, oh my God, everything is just. Way too wound up. Yeah, he thinks this is all real. Like, and no part of it is a TV show. First you're falling in love with her. And then you're Jen's husband on the back of your shirt and you give her the Sam's wife jersey. And then you're like, I'm gonna go in for a kiss.

And she is like, I am going to have to let you go. I don't think Sam and Noble manifesting means. No. Because he kept pointing to the back of the jersey that said Sam, Jen's husband, Jen's husband. He's like, see, I manifested it. See, I manifested it as if like putting Jen's husband, Jen's husband. He's like, see, I manifested it. See, I manifested it. As if like putting Jen's husband on the back of his Jersey

was the reason why they won. And it's just like, wait, I thought you're trying to manifest yourself being Jen's husband. And I'm like, you're not Jen's husband yet. But he kept saying to Jen, see, I manifested it. I manifested it. I'm thinking, what did you manifest?

Other than you just weirding her out. I don't- He accepted the win before even one. I will say when all the guys are sitting at the cocktail party and they decide to, you know, confront Sam, Jonathan ate. Oh, I love him. Jonathan ate down. He's moving up in my book.

No, no, no. He's my number one. He ate. He absolutely demolished Sam. Like the way he goes about it versus Thomas. If Thomas one more time, I gotta talk to you. Like what are you doing? That's how bad Thomas was

because even though Jonathan ate Sam N, Sam N ate Thomas. I've never seen someone look so bad like Sam N did and so unhinged. And yet when Thomas walked up to him, I kind of agree with Sam N, which is like why you're so upset, and then he complimented him,

and he told him to calm down, and as crazy as Sam N was, Thomas was even more unhinged, because like Thomas, it's just like, why are you here? Why are you here? He was like, go talk to Jen, like at least leave me alone. Yeah.

I mean, like I, the problem with Sam N wasn't like how he was going, like the fact that he wanted to go talk to Jen, pull her first, I don't give a fuck about that. It's just like, why are you weirdly rubbing it in all these guys' faces? You have no connection with her, and you're acting as if like,

you're telling all these, you're just rubbing it in their face. That was the problem with what he was doing. It wasn't that he was being like assertive at this time. He just wouldn't shut up about it. And he's like coaching these guys. The guy with absolutely no dating experience and no Riz is like telling these guys

like how to act around Jen, which is like the lack of self-awareness is unbelievable. The way, as soon as she sat down and Sam was like, him not letting the guy sit down so that she sits down next to him. The way he grabs her hand and then immediately stood, like you could tell, it was like, first of all, you were like, does he The way he grabs her hand and then immediately,

like you could tell, it was like, first of all, you were like, does he just want to hold her hand while she like cheers, like what's going on? But then yeah, he like gets her and she was like, okay, her, okay. He wraps his finger around her hand, squeezes her hand and then says, it is scary. Can I pull you first?

After he's basically pulling her away. It's weird cause we saw the episodes before this where he was like shy or like nervous, the like virgin love, whatever it is. And then he came this episode, like dog man, like shotgun to like five Red Bulls before the rugby game. So everybody's like, who is this? I will say to talk to my roommate

and she said that in Persian culture, it's really common for for people to fall fast. So Sam N, he said his culture, Persian, that was the big thing. But he's never been in love. So how has he never fallen fast before? Well that's a thing. You wait for the one person

and when you think it's that one person, you dive deep really fast. That's why I have empathy for Sam N just because I know he doesn't know better and he's gonna, obviously know, he obviously is gonna get a ton of criticism after this episode and I just know there were people in his ear egging him on and making him feel like all these decisions

were the right moves. Sam N was led astray and I don't feel like Sam N knows enough about like, I guess dating and just women in general to like know this is unhinged behavior where some of these other guys like Sam M has no excuse for why he's such a douchebag. Oh, you know, as soon as Thomas went to go sit down with Jen, producers like, Sam, why don't you interrupt? That could be fun. Imagine what, maybe you should just go say hi.

No, what was probably said is I think she really needs you right now. I don't think she likes Thomas and I think you should go and save her. It was probably more like that because Sam N had this idea that he was truly a knight in shining armor. And every time Sam N talked to Jen, he was told, that went so well.

That was amazing. You crushed it. Wow, she is feeling you so fucking hard. Like these guys have no idea what they're doing. And like he was given, he was led astray the whole whole time. 100%. And I just don't think he knows enough. I don't think he knows better. I have a question for you as like the bachelor, bachelorette, when somebody comes up and like they're in the middle of a conversation and how Sam and was like, or Thomas was like, can you just give us five minutes?

And he was like, nope, nope. Are you allowed to step in? Or if you wanted to continue the conversation, can you tell them, can you give us five minutes? Or I just feel like I haven't seen that be done. Generally speaking, I mean, you can tell that Jen just doesn't care about either of these guys, Thomas and Sam.

And generally speaking, the lead is just never gonna, they're not there to play referee, they're there to not stop drama from happening. So short of Jen really want, if Jen really cared about any of these guys and really wanted to finish the conversation, she at any point could be like, no, I wanna finish this conversation,

but she doesn't really give a fuck. You know what I'm saying? She doesn't care. Honestly, she's probably more confused about who's giving her the biggest? She doesn't care. Honestly, she's probably more confused about who's giving her the biggest ick. Between Sam N and Thomas, she's just more like, who's creeping me out less, you know what I'm saying? So she's not there to stop it.

Yeah, she's stuck in this conversation with Thomas talking about his family origin, and then Sam N comes up and tries to interrupt, and she's like, great, the two people, I can't stand. I mean, think about it, like who, minus her making out with Sam M all the time, right? And like we're seeing he painted in this kind of aggressive agro light.

Like what is her strongest connection? Devin? Devin. And like love Devin. Spencer. Okay, maybe Spencer and then Marcus, I guess. But like, it seems potentially weak. Like there are maybe no real front runners. And maybe I think that's why we're seeing her ex being brought in.

You have a good point. It's like she's weeding out the X versus finding the love. I kind of hated them bringing her ex. Like I kind of hated the way they set it up. It felt like they weren't protecting their bachelorette. It felt like they were like, sit right here, face us. We're gonna do some B-roll and then like set her up to be, like, I just didn't like the way they went about it.

It was a set up. That's just kinda how. I know, but I just feel like they should have protected their bachelorette and been like, there's someone here. Like at least be like, there's someone here who flew all the way here to see you. They wanna have a conversation. She looked excited.

You don't think so? She didn't look like pissed off. She didn't look like pissed off. She didn't look like what the fuck, like why would they fucking do this? I feel like she looks surprised. She did, it did seem like when he was like, I love you and she was like, Matthew,

that it was like, you've never, like why the fuck are you saying this now? You know, it felt like a little opportunistic to me. Yeah, it very much like reeked of Caitlin's season. You know, like when I showed up episode four. Very, I mean, Caitlin and I knew we had never met in person and we knew each other for a couple of weeks. This is an actual former relationship.

I think people who have known these people really in past lives, I'm very skeptical. Because like Jen said, why didn't she say any of this to me prior to? It seems like they had something going on before she went on the bachelor. He was like, I went to these weddings by myself. I'm like, wait, what weddings?

Like, what are they talking about? It seemed like he was going, like you get invited to weddings, certainly like months in advance sometimes, and maybe he asked her, but they seemed like there was a rekindling of some kind that seemed legit. Now, whether it was like going down

the path of relationship or not, but like he doesn't seem to be completely there out of nowhere. Right. Yeah, I mean her response was giving, I thought we ended this. Like that's how I took it. I think he stays.

Cause also didn't she make a comment of like, like we ended it like five months ago before she went on The Bachelor. So she was obviously like seeking out what she couldn't find with him. It's just like, it would be hard to really trust why you're there. Yeah.

You know? I also wonder why they broke up. Cause that's always a big thing for me too, where I'm like. Well, we'll get to ask her. Yeah. Oh. Yeah.

And then why do they rekindle? I think he stays. He stays. Do you think he's the guy who takes second? You know, remember when the season opened up and then she walked into a hotel room and she's like, I can't have you propose to me. For sure.

I feel like. Or maybe he's the one that gets the ring and then she can't propose to the runner up. I don't think they can let her win. It's one thing to bring them into the season and have them compete and then lose, but bringing in your ex-boyfriend. To then have them win, it's like.

And then have them win, it's like, what was the point of that season? Yeah. There are a lot of fans, for whatever reason, oh my God. And didn't have him win, it's like, what was the point of that season? Yeah. You know, like, a lot of fans, for whatever reason, are gonna be pissed off, and be pissed off at Jen, and it's like, you wasted our time, you didn't have to do that,

but I think if they let him go that far to take second, then it's, then it's good. He's cute, we'll see what happens. Yeah, I don't know, I just feel like. Do we think he actually used his own money to fly there? No. No. Like, they said it seven times, but I was like... He paid for his own flight.

He paid for his own flight. We did not fly him. He paid for his own flight. He found the producer's numbers on his own. To fly himself. To let them know that he's gonna come in. They weirdly do shit like this. I remember Roy call back to on Andy's season.

The runner up, season's over. I'm pretty fucked up in my head. And I'm just like, I think I've told this story before, but like, they really fucked me over at the end. Like, I'm thinking I need to move on. I remember the lead producer had, I remember the text me, they, she was checking in on me, you know, just literally just kind of like checking in on me. How you doing? I'm like, you know, I'm fine, I'm sad, but I know I need to move on. This is like maybe like two weeks following the end. She's like, yeah, no, you do.

And then another producer, uh, the one who actually is one of the head producers now was like, called me up and man, like really made me think like she was struggling with her choice, you know, and like doubting her choice, which like got me questioning like what's going on. I was all confused and like, they convinced me to try to fly down. This is when they first started filming paradise. And so they're in Mexico. And so Andy had to come down and do like pickups in Mexico.

And then they were going to have like their hub, happy couple retreat with her then winter Josh at the time. So they wanted me to fly down and I was like, I was going to do, actually I, I was planning on coming, but I, I still have the email I wrote the producer and it was being like, this is like, I was dead serious. It was like, listen, if I'm going to like, I really, this is real to me. I mean, I've had real feelings and like, I'm willing to do this if this is like legitimate, but I don't want to make a fool of myself. I was like, if she's happy, I don't want to, I don't,

you know, but like clearly they, it was a, the season wasn't performing. The ratings were really down bad and they were just trying to figure out any way to like salvage the season wasn't performing, the ratings were really down bad and they were just trying to figure out any way to like salvage the season. Thankfully they didn't let me come down because I was like, I'm not coming unless she knows and they didn't wanna tell her. But before it even got there, they were like,

well, we want you to call Chris. I'm like, what do you mean you wanna call Chris Harrison at the time to host the show? And I'm like, why do you want me to call Chris? And so basically they had me call Chris and they basically staged a phone call so that when it happened, they could say without lying that I called Chris

and asked him to come down and fight for my relationship with Andy. But it was all a setup. So they made me get on the phone with Chris just to make sure that they had basically plausible deniability or whatever, you know what I'm saying? So Chris, when he went on AFR, could be like, well, Nick reached out to me and asked if I could,

blah, blah, blah, and technically that was true because technically they had me call Chris even though they set up the call. That's wild. So I don't know what happened here, but obviously he didn't know what hotel they were staying in, he didn't know where to find them for filming. So he might have reached out to them for sure,

just like, hey, I'm Jen's ex. First of all, for him to join the show, there's a million things they had to do. When I showed up for Andy's season, I remember they called me up, when I showed up for Caitlin's season rather, they called me up and they were casting for Paradise. And Caitlin and I had been talking and I was definitely bummed

because it was the two time they had, that was the first time they had two Bachelorettes. They had two Bachelorettes, so I was like, oh, I hope they picked Britt because like Caitlin will go home and then like we can pick up where we left off in terms of like our little like FaceTime thing we had going on before the season. And then she didn't and I was all bummed and they called me up and said, hey, we'd love for your Paradise. where we left off in terms of our little like FaceTime thing we had going on before the season.

And then she didn't, and I was all bummed. And they called me up and said, hey, we'd love for your paradise. And I was like, well, if Caitlin was gonna go, I would go. And I was like, I remember like saying, I wanted them to know, cause I kind of like, I was never gonna ask to come on, but I kind of wanted them to ask.

You know, I was like, you know, I didn't want to like own the decision. And then they did. But my point is once they were like, hey, would you be interested in coming? I had to fly to LA, meet with their therapist, take all the tests, I had to do the blood work. You know what I'm saying?

You can't get on the show legally unless you do all the psych test and the health test and the blood work. And so he's done all this by the time he's shown up, especially if they keep this guy. If Jen keeps this guy, which it seems like he's done all this by the time he's shown up, especially if they keep this guy. You know, if Jen keeps this guy, which it seems like he's, you know, he's not showing up for a rose ceremony only to get sent home. Right.

Like if she's sending him home, it's gonna be in that conversation. She's gonna show up at his hotel room. Hey, listen, I don't think you'd be fair to the other guys. We're too late in the season. I realize how I feel about you and you're not it. Like if he, he's like, they show him in a tuxedo or some sort of suit.

So he brought a suit, he's ready to go, he's done the test. So like clearly, you know, and did he fly himself out? Maybe, but did he figure out how they, like, you pay for it, we'll reimburse you. Some, there is clearly some kind of bullshit going on. I don't even know why they bother. It's just like, we know it's reimburse you. Exactly. There is clearly some kind of bullshit going on. I don't even know why they bother. It's just like, we know it's a show. Yeah.

You know, like we know it's not 2012 anymore where it's like the WWF is still trying to convince you that it's like real wrestling. Like we know, we know it's a show. It's doing too much. The second they disclaim it the seventh time, we know it's fake. Yeah.

Yeah. It's like now it's over real. He's like, Jen, thank God you didn't end our sharing your location with me or else I would never have been able to find you in this great continent of Australia. They did do him dirty though, where he got just like straight from the airport and they're like, okay, now go over there.

I doubt it. I feel like they just were like, here's your suit, grab your suitcases. No, actually I bet that happened. You think they went straight from the airport? Yeah, I think he went straight from the airport. He looked a little run down. I think Jesse was waiting for him. No, that part was legit.

Oh man, I was just assuming they would use it as like props. Like bring your bags down and now we're gonna film you surprising Jen. No, they probably... Well, they mic'd him up, so yeah. Yeah, they probably picked him up at the airport, right? They brought, you know, I don't know how long the ride

from whatever airport to the hotel they were staying. They probably got him close to the hotel, and then they probably parked somewhere, and then probably the producers went and greeted him and thanked him for coming. And then he was like, I'm really nervous. And they gave him the whole, like, I guess we'll see what happens, man.

This is crazy. And they were like, and they probably went up to him and they're like, man, like, I fucking like, you're doing happens, man. This is crazy. And they were like, and they probably went up to him and they're like, man, like, I fucking like, you're doing it, man. This is great. And they really like gassed him up and like probably were just like, I love that, you know, the same thing they wanted me to do for Andy, you know,

it's just like, they were sending me like clips of movies of like, you know, like, you know, really big, you know, all these like- Like inspiration. Yes. Yeah. Whoa. To show your conviction. Yeah, like, you know, to hype me up in terms of like, you know, really like like. Like inspiration. Yes. Yeah. Whoa. To show your conviction.

Yeah, like, you know, to hype me up in terms of like, you know, really like great rom-com scenes where the guy comes and fights for the girl and gives like this, you know, really great speech. And then he, you know, they, you know, they were like sending me clips and shit like that. So they probably did some version of that, you know, and they were hyping them up, which again, it's all fine.

He's still like, he's, you know, when I showed up for Caitlyn's season, I was genuinely serious about doing it. And just like Jen's ex, it would be very selfish of him to show up and be like, hey, I want you to leave with me. He's not gonna take away this experience for Jen. This is her chance to be the Bachelorette. It would be completely self-centered. So he's definitely there to participate

and do what he has to do, you know, and see if there's something there. So I don't know why, yeah, I don't, it seems like they go too hard to try to convince us that it's, you know, it doesn't, he doesn't need to have paid for it for it to be sincere. You know, like we already know that him showing up and even if he paid for it,

we're gonna question why he's there in the first place. You know what I'm saying? Him paying for it doesn't mean he's like all of a sudden not there for the right reasons. You know what I'm saying? It's just like, yeah, whatever. And maybe he, there's a world in which he paid for the flight. I mean, it's entirely possible,

but like they act as if like, we just found out that this guy found on the internet where we were and this is out of our control and I guess we just found out that this guy found on the internet where we were, and this is out of our control, and I guess we're just gonna let this play out. They were clearly involved in facilitating the logistics of it, which I think is totally fine.

There's nothing fucked up about it. It's just like, they just have to do this to make a TV show, and we know it's a TV show. So like, I mean, these guys are gonna handle it poorly. I wanna see her bring in this guy, just because I think Sam these guys are gonna handle it poorly. I wanna see her bring in this guy just for, because I think Sam M is gonna handle it really, really poorly. Yeah, yeah.

I was like, I also wonder, is it, would you think it would be harder coming in, having had a real relationship on the outside world and then coming in and then competing with a bunch of guys that have like known her for two seconds? I feel like it would be harder for him to get acclimated into the situation because he actually knows her from the outside world

and has had intimate moments with her, whereas all of these guys have known her for like two weeks. What part is hard? What do you mean, though? Because the thing is that I know that the guys are gonna take it hard because of that, but I feel like it's actually harder for the person who knows the Bachelorette outside of to get acclimated and be like,

okay, it went from us dating one-on-one. Now she's dating 12 other people. Yeah. Like to like act like it's, he's cool to share. Yeah. When he's had her alone to himself and now all of a sudden it's like, okay, I'm going to compete to show you. But at the same time, I'm competing with these guys that think they know you,

but they don't. Yeah. I mean, that's, I don't know how to compare that. And again, when I showed up on Caitlin's season, I still didn't know her. We had faced time for two weeks prior to that. So there wasn't any real rapport. It felt like, you know, there was some rapport, you know.

You felt like you had an advantage. There was, sure, maybe a little bit, but like, yeah, I didn't know her outside of that world. I had never met her. The first time I showed up was the first time I met her in person outside of that world. I had never met her. The first time I showed up was the first time I met her in person. That's wild. And so he, to your point, knows her intimately.

They were supposed to go to weddings together. Yeah, they had dates planned up that she had to bail on. So it's gonna be incredibly hard for him. Plus all these guys are gonna hate him. Some of the guys will pretend to hate him at first and they'll probably be like, oh, give him a chance, like, you're cool. That's how probably most of the guys will be, hit him at first and they'll probably be like, I'll give him a chance, like, you're cool, right? That's how probably most of the guys will be,

whether they show it or not. But then there'll be some guys who like- Sam M, Thomas. Thomas is probably gonna grab his arm. Man, it didn't work out for a reason. Why are you here? Thomas is my least favorite person. Absolutely.

He's just overcompensating too much. Oh my God. Every second. With nothing to back it up. Like that's the thing. It's not like you have a strong connection it up. Like that's the thing, it's not like you have a strong connection with Jen, you guys have the same conversation every time

you guys have a moment alone together. You're literally stealing lines from your friend. The main thing. The main thing. What does that even mean? It's gonna keep it real. There was a photo that ABC posted where it was Austin, Aaron, and then Thomas N.

Like working out shirtless, like behind the scenes BTS. And I was like, that makes sense. That picture alone makes sense. Devin's one-on-one. Sweet. And I was sweet, and I was happy for him. She seems to really like him in my opinion.

I really like him, I just like, he's not supposed to be your front runner, I'm sorry. That's fair. You know, no disrespect to Devin, I love you Devin, but when you get picked to be the lead and you're thinking, they're hand picking people for me. And I just, I don't know. I just don't think you close your eyes

and you think Devin. Do you think he is the front runner? Cause couldn't it be Marcus? It's hard to say. That's the thing. I don't think it's a coincidence that they're bringing this guy in. And I think, yeah, we've seen some connections with Jen,

but clearly I think they're struggling like with Jen being excited about these guys. Well, what's your opinion on her group of guys to begin with, like as a collective? Not great. Not great, right? Do we have any real fan favorites? I mean, Marcus seems like a nice guy, he's handsome. It's like all the guys that I feel like I like the most,

I see the less of, the least of. That's pretty typical this early on, but even then, because your front runner's the weight, but even then you usually are, they'll show your Ben Higgins, they'll show them enough for you to start like liking them just because they're fun to look at and they seem like gentlemanly.

Yeah. We're not seeing any of that. I don't really see that her strongest connection is the biggest douchebag. Yeah. Yeah, Sam. Well, it's like Jonathan, I feel like is a really good one. Marcus is a really good one.

But like we, and Spencer, but we don't really see a lot of them at all. I did do an Instagram stalking, and Devin had the most followers and it was only 14,000. That's crazy. Yeah, so it's not that much. Which tells you, like, Bachelor Nation is not excited about these guys.

No. They're not interested in finding these guys. Who could possibly be your next bachelor from this group of men? Oh, good point. I saw somebody say Spencer because he gives hot substitute teacher vibes. I mean, like, I guess. Like, he's cute, but I'm just like, it's not like, oh, no, that's for sure going to be

the bachelor. But I just thought the whole substitute teacher hot was kind of- He does look like a substitute teacher. Right? I see it. There's like something very sweet and like, demure. He's like wholesome, but cute. He wears a polo shirt.

You know, Grant, there seemed to, there was a connection there, but I feel like he's really, I'm not seeing a connection between the two of them. He seems like a nice, handsome guy, and he got a group date rose, but not seen it. Austin, I thought maybe he would be someone that potentially pops, not seeing it there.

There is a sound bite in the teaser of Austin saying it's not fair, and alluding to him leaving. Maybe. Yeah, that could be anything though. I mean, to me right now, if I could pick anyone for Jen, it's Jonathan. I think Jonathan's my front runner. He seems like the nicest guy.

I really like his personality. I'm not seeing like an intense connection here. They look cute together. He seems nice. She seems nice, but like I'm not seeing anything like, episode four, like it shouldn't be this hard to find some connections between the lead and the suit. Or you could see the competition.

You know what I mean? Where you're like, okay, these people might be the top four and it's like, we're just going off a top four based off of what we think, but not so much the connection between them and Jen. Who would you choose as the next Bachelor? I don't think they have. It's a weak lineup. What if it was Saman, the love virgin?

It would never be. That'd be wild. It would spice it up. No one would watch. Like just grab a whole bunch of love virgins. You can't have a Bachelor that gives everyone the egg. Yeah. It would probably have to be Marcus, in my opinion. I feel like Jonathan is who I want to win.

And then I feel like Marcus because he's like, you know, an expert. I think Marcus is the, honestly, the only one who could be at this point. Yeah, he's got this, he's got a compelling storyline, a veteran. Veteran, he's very kind, compassionate. He has great qualities. Yeah, so I'm like, could get girls

to jump out of planes with him, like, you know. It could be Sam M though. And like, people love the douchebag, the playboy. No, no, he's so unlikable at this point that I'm just like, I don't see like, women of America standing behind Sam M. And they're like, so when granted, he seemed like a douche bag with Jen, right?

Like he wasn't getting the hint, but you could also tell in there that they were playing it up in the edit. There was that moment where he like snicker laughed and they I'm almost, I'm like without confirming and rewinding and double checking, I'm like 95% sure that they repeat, they just use the same laugh.

From somewhere else. Literally from moments earlier. Yeah. They just played it twice. And I think when they do that, you could debate whether like, you know, if you're Sam N, you notice that and you're like, see, I didn't fucking do that. That's bullshit.

I was edited to make it look like that. And that might be true. However, as we also know that like they're taking, which is always like whatever amount of time, if it took 10 minutes to go down, you get to see 20 seconds or 10 seconds, right? You never get to see the whole thing. The show's gonna make the excuse

when they do an edit like that, is like, yeah, it's edited, but for the sake of time, we are trying to capture that moment and what it was really like for those 10 minutes condensed into like 15 seconds. So you know what I'm saying? Is it edited?

Sure, but all the producers would probably be like, well, it was actually worse when it was all going down in terms of his inability to rise to the moment, to be there for Jen, to make her feel safe and comfortable as opposed to making her feel like she was just being weak. You know, that's what he did. It was so like odd, you know, it's just like, it's not about pushing your partner, but how do you push your partner?

Do you make them feel bad about being afraid? Do you make them feel weak for, for not wanting to do that? Or do you encourage them and make them believe in themselves? And do you like encourage them to find the strength and without simultaneously making them feel like if they don't, they're going to be somehow, you know, be judged for it. That's how he made it seem like if you don't do this, I'm going to judge you. And I'm going to think less of you. And you're not going to be the partner for me.

Like that's not encouragement. That's he's playing off of her fears and insecurities. And that's not like a partner. That's playing off of her fears and insecurities. And that's not like a partner. That's a dick. There you go. Amen. It also was clearly edited to make him look worse. But the question is, did he actually worse or were they, were they just trying to capture

the authenticity of that moment that where they couldn't show the whole thing. Now that blew my mind too. Cause I was like, I didn't even think about the idea of how long they were actually up there. Because usually when you're struggling with heights and things like that, it takes a while to get to the point to where you're like, okay, I can do this.

I wonder how long they were actually up there versus what we saw, you know? I do think Jen's testing these guys though. She should be. I think you hit the nail on the head when you said that she's weeding out the X versus finding the love. But if she doesn't, do you think she. I think you hit the nail on the head when you said that she's weeding out the X versus like finding the love. But if she doesn't, do you think she ends up alone?

I will say this, they've given her the lane to end up alone. These are, it's not a great group of men. Yeah, that I'll agree with. I'm just hoping we'll get to see some more of the quieter personalities come out, a little more air time for our sponsors and Jonathan's. Yeah, I don't know what it is about these group of guys just being like, that's what I'm saying. The season seems like it's a character, like it's a spoof of The Bachelorette.

Right. Which is funny and hilarious, but it almost seems disingenuous and fake. I think they've done a disservice to Jen because they haven't casted enough men or any men that she's sincerely interested in getting engaged to in less than two months. And so then here you have Jen, I think when you do that, you force your lead to play a role rather than be themselves.

And if anyone's questioning Jen's authenticity, not that we are, but I think she's just not engaged in these guys. I don't think her heart's beating out of her chest for any of these guys. Maybe Sam M for a moment, but I think she's already starting to realize that it's been pretty, already,

this is two weeks in a row where he's been very kind of aggressive with what he claims as support, or just making out with her. Last week it was throwing himself all over her and not reading the room. He's two weeks in a row, she's just like, hey, I'm trying to give you signals

and you're not picking up on them. Yeah. So like, if this is like, this, I just, Jen seems like a very self-aware, like, person. And I think she's picking up on the fact that despite enjoying making out with Sam, he's not her guy. But I think she's also like limited in her options of who she really likes. So I think for in fairness of like why,

I think we are upset with Jen for like letting him off the hook easily. But if you're her, like it sucks being in this environment and feeling like the casting department didn't like really give a shit about who you're interested in, as opposed to what they think the show would be interested in.

And this is nothing to do with think the show would be interested in. And this has nothing to do with like the quality of these people, of who they are. Just like on my season, I was just like, you guys didn't give a shit about me at all. Like, and again, quality women, just maybe not quality for me, you know, or just not for me.

And it's just like, I just feel like these guys are not for Jen. And clearly we know this, right? They weren't, they weren't casting for her. They were casting for either Daisy or Maria. I honestly don't think they cast for the lead much at all, but they clearly weren't casting for Jen. I forgot about that. And the fact that like now she's like has a bunch of guys that she's like,

I don't think I could picture any of these men being my fiance. It's hard for her to be like locked in and invested, you know? Which we don't know. She's going to be playing a role. Like we don't know that she doesn't have like, we don't, but it's not a coincidence that they, they brought in this guy. You do have a good point though, too, that every second she's sitting down with someone, someone's interrupting and then there's like fighting in the background.

So it's like, she doesn't even have a chance to, I mean, that's pretty typical early on, but like, I just think this early on, you at least have seen a couple moments with some front runners and being like, yeah, they haven't gotten to them yet because like they're just going to focus on the petty this early on you at least have seen a couple moments with some frontrunners and being like yeah They haven't gotten to them yet because like they're just gonna focus on the petty drama early on but like there's something there and I think we're like we're pulling at strings being like I think there's something there with Marcus or Like Spencer like why because he had a one-on-one but like yeah, you know a good story I barely know any of these guys and there's not a ton of guys left. Yeah.

Oh, this is, yeah. I do think she likes Marcus though. I think she likes Marcus, sure. I think that's a genuine connection. Cause Marcus also isn't doing too much. Yeah. A lot of these guys aren't really doing too much though. I don't know.

That's kind of the problem. Well, we get to ask Jen all these questions on Thursday of Reality Recap. Is it time to get to Kendall? I think it's time to get to Kendall. All right, well, it's time for Kendall. Whatever you thought you knew about Nicole and Kendall, just you wait. Ladies, like I've always said on this show before, you know your man could always up his grooming

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We've talked to a few of your peers. I've said to all of them fascinated by the experience you guys went through. You guys are decompressing still and it almost feels like you still, like have you watched? Was that an earthquake? I just felt that.

I don't know. It might've been a truck in the alley. I'm not gonna lie. That also might've been a truck in the alley. Sometimes this building shakes a lot. Yeah. I was like, I've've been a truck in the alley. I'm not gonna lie. That also might've been a truck in the alley. Sometimes, this building shakes a lot. I was like, I've never felt an earthquake in years since I was back in California. I was for sure an earthquake, y'all.

Something rattled, for sure. So wait, what did you say again? You guys are still, like, it feels like you guys, the theme, whether it's Cordell and Serena, whether it was Kailor, whether it was, well, we have Kenny and Janaye on tomorrow. Everyone's just like, yeah, I don't know. I don't know nothing about nothing yet.

Because I just like got the fuck out of, you know, the Villa. So like, where are you in your like decompressing journey? The decompressing journey, I mean, I feel like it's just begun. I mean, it's so much coming out of the Villa and seeing everyone's opinions and how big the show was. I remember when they first told us, it's like, hey guys, like before you guys get out, just quick heads up. So the show is huge and we're like, okay, all right, glad it did well. They're like, no, it is huge. Like number one show. And we're like, number one? What, like on Peacock? They're like, no, like the number one show. So like prepare yourselves. And I think all of us in that moment were just like taking it back,

just so surprised because when you're living in it, it doesn't even feel like a show. Like honestly, for me, it didn't feel like a show. So when we come out and we hear that, that it's number one and everyone's talking about us, it's just so much to take in. And that's why I think a lot of us are still in that mode of, yeah, it doesn't feel real yet. What's been the hardest part for you to kind of simulate back into society? Oh my gosh, the hardest part. I think just like the little things, having my phone and having it consistently like ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, like every five seconds is different. And I feel like just getting back to everyone, like really knowing who was close to you like before this. And there's, cause there's always those people out of the woodwork. It's like,

Kendall, my guy, you remember like eighth grade lunch line. I'm like, no, like I don't. But I feel like just the little things of just how my normal routine was before, compared to what my life is now. So just trying to like have a healthy balance of both. What was your life before? I mean, my, like I'm very routine and my life before this was like 80, 85% work, 15% play. What was work?

Medical, medical sales. So yeah, I'm in medical device sales and I travel a lot for work. What, do you do implants? Do you do orthopedics? Like what do you do? So I sell a device to ocular care. So ophthalmologist, optometrist,

so like my main doctors that I talk to. So having that day to day where I'm consistently traveling, like in meetings every single day, and pretty much focusing a lot on work. But then obviously on the weekends, it's just completely different. Like when I'm back in Dallas, I like to have fun. I like to be with my family, my friends.

So that was consistently what my life looked like. So coming back to this where it's just like, everyone's eyes are on you. Like there is no routine. Like my routine is just like, like, I don't even know what I'm flying back to Dallas. Like I have no flight back. I'm just here in LA just, all right, well, whenever I want to go back, I'll just, I'll come back.

Cause I have so many things to do. Um, and I'm glad that I have like my sister and my mom are out in LA right now. So that's my next priority. My sister lives in LA. My mom is lives in Vegas currently with my grandpa taking care of him, but she's moving to California back already. She's gonna be near like Newport Beach.

How'd you end up in Dallas? I got there for work, like right out of school. I went to school at TCU in Fort Worth and I got a job opportunity for the Dallas Stars, the hockey team. And I took that right out of college. So I worked in sports for the first five years, and then I switched to medical sales,

like just recently, like a little over a year ago. Okay. But I love Dallas. You did any like ad sales for them? So for the Stars? Yeah. I was like, I started off selling season tickets, and I would sell like suites,

and then I started doing sponsorships for the Stars recently, and then I just sell like suites. And then I started doing sponsorships for the stars recently. And then I just transitioned out of it, but I loved working for that team. I mean, like my degree in college was sports broadcasting. I wanted to be a broadcaster, but I wanted to always be in sports. So when that broadcasting dream died,

because they're like, hey, you can do that out of college, but you'll probably have to start in like Amarillo, Texas. I was like, uh, like with like tumbleweed going around. Like, yeah, I was like, I don't know about that. And then the stars were like, Hey, you have a great personality, but like we think you'd be better in sales. So I was like, I never thought about sales,

but I was like, why not? So I tried to never look back, been in sales ever since. How did you end up on the show? Where you get, did you get reached out to, or did you like, like, Kayla was seen like, it seems like Kayla reached out to, or did you, like, Kayler was, seemed like, it seemed like Kayler was the only one who was like, hey, can I come on? Oh, she applied?

Yeah. Oh my, yeah. I don't even know, oh yeah, yes. So my coworkers actually applied for me about two years ago. And it was funny because I was actually gonna be on last season, like last season. But things came up with work and I transitioned into medical sales.

So it was either like this job in medical sales or Love Island. And I was like, hey, I want to focus on my career. So I chose that. It was funny, even the bachelorette, that was something I think I was for charity season. You were talking to the bachelorette? Yeah.

Like I was about to go on that one. How far did you go during that process? Both at the same time offered me. It was like the same week I want to focus on my job job. And I was like, I'm going to be a charity. I was like, I'm going to be a charity. And I was like, I'm going to be a charity. And I was like, I'm going to be a charity. And I was like, I'm going to be a charity. And I was like, I'm going to be a charity. And I was like, I'm going to be a charity. And I was like, I'm going to be a charity.

And I was like, I'm going to be a charity. And I was like, I'm going to be a charity. And I was like, I'm going to be a charity. And I was like, I'm going to be a charity. And I was like, I'm going to be a charity. And I was like, Kendall, you're crazy. How could you turn down LaVall, how could you turn down The Bachelorette? I was just like, hey, I wanna focus on my job job. And I'm glad I did because then LaVallan reached out again and was like, hey, still there.

And I was like, oh, I'm in a better spot with work. They have The Bachelorette asked them to come on charity season. Oh my gosh. Sorry everyone, I was feeding River. So very, very sorry. Priorities. I'm everyone. I was, um, feeding, feeding river. Priorities. I'm back. Good to have you here.

I'm glad she's fed. For sure. Now this couch is filled. I was like, this one man on this big couch. Did the Bachelorette door close? Cause I'll be honest, we're watching this season and like so far we don't really love the guys on it. I feel like they could maybe need a Kendall or something.

Oh yeah, I forgot. What made them, what made you when you decided to like, you know, say, fuck medical, I'm just kidding. Fuck work. No, but when you decided to take a chance at reality TV, like was the Bachelor still an option or were you just like, I want to do Love Island? So.

Cause it really worked out for you. It did work out. Because when I was offered both two years ago, I was leaning towards Love Island, um, because it seemed more me. And at that point it felt like I could be more myself and it didn't seem as scripted as some of the bachelor shows I've seen. Did the same friends sign you up for the Bachelorette? Yes.

They signed me up for like everything. They really wanted you. Kendall needs a partner. Yeah, it's like, it was crazy. Like I was being- It you. Kendall needs a partner. Yeah, it's like, it was crazy. Like I was being- It's like bro needs a girl. I'm like, someone please get Kendall lady. He needs it bad.

I know, but like the circle, they were trying to get me on there too, all these shows. Like my friends were just sending my applications everywhere. I was like, guys, stop sending me everywhere. Like, Kendall, you're boring me out. I didn't even- What a wanted man. I was like, stop.

I know. But since I decided last year when it was okay, like I'm in such a better spot with work, my friends were telling me, oh my gosh, this was actually funny because when they reached out again to Love Island for this year, I said no again. I was like, no, I don't wanna waste y'all's time because last time I went through the whole process

and I was like, nah. So I was like, hey, let's not go down that road. I'll pass. And it was funny, I was eating sushi with my friends and I just mentioned briefly, I was like, yeah, it's crazy, Love Island reached out again, but I told them I'm gonna focus on my job. They're like, Kendall! Wake up, stop doing this.

I was like, hey, I don't know. And they're like, hey, life's all about risks and you don't wanna look back and regret missing out, and you don't wanna be like 45 years old and be like, wow, wonder if I went on Love Island. What would my life be like? So I didn't wanna have that conversation with myself at 45. So I was like, you know what, damn, fuck it.

And then I legit remember, I looked back to one of my producers that texted me way back, and it was funny, the last text I sent him was, hey, don't wanna waste your time. And I was like remember like I looked back to one of my producers that texted me way back and those fight the last Text I sent him was hey don't want to waste your time and I was like officer on the table I said it I have to rip you like three soccer bombs. I was like still there and then Like yeah, we're actually we would love that. Oh my god And then I had to have a serious conversation with them after to say hey like I know Last year you guys are having PTSD is Kendall, just yanking our chain. But no, I was like, I'm serious about it.

And I feel like this could be a great opportunity and I don't live life with regrets. Let's do it. And then boom, like it was so fast. I like spoke to Peacock one time. They already knew me from last year and like, okay, yeah, you're on. And so it was fast. It was fast. And the whole process of sending me out to Fiji and everything and telling my work about what's going on and my close friends. But I didn't tell too many people

because I knew how like they'd be like, some of these people can't keep their mouth shut. So I'm like, guys, I trust some of y'all. Some of my friends, I'm like, I can't tell you. I could not tell you. I could not tell you. Yeah, because you go and spread the word. I can tell you, tell you tell you. I cannot tell you. Yeah, because you're going to spread the word.

I can tell you, tell you. So that's what happened and craziness that we are here. And God, you're not 45 looking back at this season of Love Island being like, if only I went. Yeah, now I'll be 45 like, what were you doing, son? What were you doing down there? What are you aware of in terms of the perception of you and your cast baits and things like that?

Like what do you know about that so far? I learned more by the minute. It's legit every single minute. I'm like, oh, wow, look at that clip. She said, what, where? So I'm learning more, but it's the perception changes. But about myself, I've- You seem like people's, I guess, maybe polarized.

I mean, as someone who's, I've been polarizing for fans before too. So you're among friends, but it seems like there's a lot of different types of opinions about you. So true, so true. People seem very on the fence about you. You seem aware of that? Oh, I'm aware.

Okay. It was a roller coaster, you know? I was like, that? Oh, I'm aware. Okay. I'm aware. It was a roller coaster, you know? I was like, oh my God, I love Kendall. And I was like, oh my God, Kendall, no, no, no, no. I feel like that is just like exactly it. It was like, Kendall, my man, look at him. And then like, Kendall, the fuck?

You did what? I was like, shit. But yeah, it was a roller coaster for sure. Since day one. So what do you think people got right about you? What do you think people got wrong about you? I think what people got right about me is that like, I'm very like energetic, I'm outgoing, like I'm a personality for sure.

I think what people got wrong about me is just like my intentions and how genuine I am because like going into the show, I was just like, I'm not going to change a damn thing about myself. I'm just going to go in there, be open and see where that takes me. So I had really no expectations going into it. So I think I've seen things online where it's like this guy had a plan. I was like, y'all are thinking way too deep about But that's why I feel like there's been a misunderstanding on that end because it's just like I'm like y'all anyone or any of my family My friends they know me back home and like I'm always my open like genuine self And I have never had ill intent especially towards like my like that was family in there

Like they're a family and the last thing I want to do is not support people I care about and I have never had ill intent, especially towards like my, like that was family in there. Like they were family. And the last thing I wanna do is not support people I care about. I think the only part that I was like Kendall, bam. Kasa? Yeah. Well, actually no.

So there's more moments. Okay, perfect. Oh God. You took the tapes. There was, like I was like, Kendall doesn't give good advice. My advice went to shit. Oh, like I wouldn't do it know, I give good advice my vice Like I want to know it was the part like after casa when uh,

Serena was like really upset and you seemed to kind of like get up in her like Grill a little bit almost like in a little slightly aggressive way. Have you seen that back seen that clip? I was like, yo like in the moment I was just like I think we're all in the kitchen and like I was just like trying to like talk to Serena when I didn't want everyone else to hear. So I think it came off as like me like trying to get as close as possible to her. I was like, I've never spoken to Serena like that close.

By the way, I think I was just like, didn't want everyone to hear. And then I'm looking at myself back and like, bro, why you got your arms crossed? Why are you like looking so serious? So yeah, for sure. Like looking back at that moment, I was like, bro, why you got your arms crossed? Why are you looking so serious? So yeah, for sure. Looking back at that moment, I was like, bro, you need to take a chill pill.

You need to back the fuck up because that's not how I roll, especially with my girl, Rena. Last thing I wanna do is be like, in intimidating, like, people look at me as the opposite of intimidating. Like, I believe that. No, no, no, yeah.

When Nicole was going between you and Miguel and it was showing her on the dock having a conversation with Miguel intimidating. Like, I believe that. No, no, no. Yeah. When they were, when Nicole was going between you and Miguel and it was showing her on the dock, having a conversation with Miguel and he's just like very like swag. Oh my God, I forgot. And then he's ready to go to you and you're doing this like jerk.

And you're like, genuine and just genuine connection. Oh my God. I remember that. That was a tough beat. That was tough. And then it was Miguel being like, I think we should just kiss. And then it's like you do.

My dumb ass is completely like out of the loop on everything. I'm like, Nicole explore your thing. I'm just like, get your mind off things. Every time like Nicole and Miguel would go off, I'd just be like, oh, fuck it. Fuck, here we go. And then I was like, distract myself with something. And so I think I was just with Erin

and like just being playful. Like, let's just do this, let's just walk around. Like, no, nothing's happening over there. Let's just do you. So yeah, that was a moment for sure. But again, that goes to me. I'm gonna just lay back and I don't take life seriously at all.

I think it's all about having fun. So that's why I think like Miguel and I are very, very different. So that whole situation was a lot There has been a video of this girl Who is claiming to be your ex? Oh goodness And maybe you broke up with her for Love Island, is there any truth behind that? Is she your ex? Okay.

Yeah, let's get into this. Let's get into this. Like, I remember coming out and seeing, like, my best friend back home sent me the video and it was deleted obviously now. And he reached out to her and was like, how could you be so selfish and think of yourself? You know what this is gonna do for Kendall.

Like I cannot believe you would be so deceiving. Because the background on her is, so she's from San Diego too, just like myself. I met her in Dallas and think this was probably a year and a half ago because it was my prior, I started talking to her like before my last, last birthday. So I just turned 28 in June, which is a month ago. So it was last, so was that a year and a half?

So about a year and a half ago was when I started talking to her. We went on a couple dates, and I think we were probably talking for about like two and a half months. Okay. And we never dated officially. It wasn't like, hey, I want you to be my girlfriend

I was a situation shit sure yeah Yeah, we want a couple dates and she was a really sweet girl Like I have like no intentions towards her and just I just didn't see her like as a future wife I did the day and I was just like hey, this has been great But I feel like before we get any deeper like we should just probably let's go our separate ways She obviously had other thoughts. She was like like before we get any deeper, like we should just probably, let's go our separate ways. She obviously had other thoughts. She was like, no.

Yeah, I mean, there's always, I feel like this is on Bachelor. There's always an ex of someone being like, hey, broke up with me to go on the show. And they try to. It's so funny how ironic it is because during that time, when I was in that situationship with her,

that's when Love Island offered me the first year. Like the first. And you turned it down. And I told her, I was like, heyhip with her, that's when Love Island offered me the first year. Like the first year. And you turned it out. And I told her, I was like, hey, like I turned it down. She was like, oh, so like, can't believe you turned that down and all those things. I was like, yeah. I was like, like it was crazy.

Because I turned it down before I even started talking to her. Yeah. I mean, either way it doesn't matter. I mean, it's, it happened, like Natalie said, it happens all the time. And it's like people would rather think there was some like other reason than they like don't like you

or don't wanna be in a relationship with you. And it's just like, no, he, it was because he- It was for the show. It was for the show. And it wasn't because I, he doesn't like me. I was so put about because like we're on such good terms now. Like we haven't spoken in like probably almost a year, but like we left on like good terms.

Like it was like, it wasn't like any ill intentions. Like she wasn't like mad at me. I wasn't mad at her. And so I was just so surprised when I heard she made that. I was like, wait, did she, it was at a TikTok? Yeah, it was a TikTok. And it was, I think, I think it was maybe meant on her side. I don't, I mean, I don't know her a little on the playful

side, cause it was like, he's gonna have to hear my name side, because it was like, he's going to have to hear my name every time. Don't play like that. It was like, he's going to have to hear my name every time the host comes in or something. Because they both have the same name. Yeah. So that's why I was just like, He doesn't remember you. I was like, goodness, it was just so surprising. That sucks because then people see that and they're like, oh my gosh, Kendall, he did what? He's a game player, all these things.

I'm like, okay, y'all, no, this is just a complete lie because it's been over a year with her, but it sucks that people will see that and believe it. I mean, that's the internet for you. That's the internet. Let's talk about you and Nicole. Let's talk. Are you guys for real?

Because it seems like a lot of people are not me, but like, because I actually, honestly, I wasn't, I definitely wasn't like a Kendall, like Nicole Stan early on, but y'all made me cry at the end. Same. It really did. During the speech?

Yeah, it was really heartfelt. And the way- Came a lot since dear Nicole. Yeah, the way you pulled it out of her, it felt very sincere. But you know, since then it seems for whatever reason, people don't seem to be buying you to, um, and I, for a moment there, I thought there was like a breakup rumor already. So, and again, we know that people talk or whatever, but like, where do you guys stand? And like, what does Kendall think today about Yard Two's chances of making this like an actual relationship?

So for Nicole and I, obviously our journey in Love Island was a roller coaster. We had our ups and downs, but I feel like it was mostly stable and we were both very respectful of each other. And what I built with Nicole in there was something I've never like felt towards anyone. Like, God's honest truth, I've never had those feelings towards a girl.

And the fact that they're happening so fast, it felt like didn't seem like real. I was like, oh my God, I actually have these feelings for this girl. And getting out of the villa is just an adjustment. So like Nicole and I, we wanna really just work on what we have currently and adjusting that to real life. What do you have right now? So right now, like outside the villa, like yes, we are together. And it's just an adjustment of, okay, what is our lives?

Like, how do we make this work on the outside? There's a distance thing. Like there's all these questions that need to be answered for us, and we're also just taking it day by day, because being in the public eye and seeing everyone's opinions, it affects people differently.

Like, how it affects me, like when I see any negative comments or about me or about Nicole and I, I just brush it off. I'm like, yeah, it's the internet. They're gonna have that. But Nicole takes things differently. So-

How so? What do you mean? So, we get affected by it in different ways. So I think, I don't wanna speak for Nicole on how she's feeling, but it's obviously tougher to see some of these things. Yeah, totally, that's normal. So moving forward where we stand is just like, let's take it one day at a time and

Really get back to focusing on what we built in there and saying how okay How do we take what we built in there and go on the outside? To our normal lives and normal. Do you feel like you know, the adjustment has made her kind of question It was just again, you're not that you're answering from her But from your perception like when you're in a relationship, sometimes you can feel someone like, fuck, are they pulling away from me? Like, are they doubting it? Have you felt any of that a little bit with her or not?

So I wouldn't go as far as saying pulling away, but it's a fact of like where we are, it's just like so much is on our minds. And it's tough to go back to, okay, like in the villa we were just focusing on each other, like building what we have. Obviously there's things thrown at us, but we always found a way to like stick back.

Like new bombshell comes in. Like it's rumbling, oh God, oh God. The world is a little bit different than a new bombshell. It's a lot more different than that. So I think it's at a point where we just need to get back to where we were and then build from that. So I think we're still adjusting to that. And it's tough being on the outside

and having so many things thrown at you and having to balance that with a girl you care about and to kind of block everything out. So coming out of it, like Nicole and I just need to, I'd say just kind of restart and take it one day at a time and really say, okay, like what does life look like for us now? Where do you see us moving forward?

And how do we grow from what we had in the villa? So yeah. Yeah, because I think, especially towards the end, you seemed obviously very confident with how you felt about Nicole. She seemed not necessarily less confident, but maybe harder for her to express. And I thought you handled it really well.

I mean, I thought, I think, maybe that was one of your stronger moments. Even for your critics, it was like, was I thought I think maybe that was one of your stronger moments even for your critics It was like anyone who like wanted to hate on you when you kind of sat Nicole down and you're just like listen Like this is how I feel I'm gonna own it. But like I'm gonna be patient, you know I'll be chill like however you didn't want to pressure her anything like that And then obviously we all know that she finally came around and said that she's in love with that was nuts Yeah, that was actually insane.

I was so cut off back. And it's funny, there's some things that you guys just don't see. And during that date I had with her, y'all, I mean, I was so confident going into it. And I was like, Nicole knows, she's like, Kendall's good with his words. I'm the one, like when we're talking,

I think every time during our chats, I talk probably like 75, 80 percent and she puts her little 20 percent in here there because that's just how I am. I'm very like outgoing and expressive and I wear my heart on my sleeve. I tell her always where I'm feeling and she's just complete opposite of that. Like she's very more reserved, tough shell. So going into that date, I was like, goodness gracious, am I actually gonna say this to Nicole? She's gonna lose her mind, oh my God.

And when I got the courage to finally say it, because I kept thinking of how to say it in the moment, I was like, fuck, I thought I was gonna say it this way. Then I'm like, I don't know if what they show, I haven't seen it, but I'm like, running around in circles at one point, I'm like, am I gonna say it now? I'm like, oh shoot, no, that was bad.

And then when I finally say it, I think I like laugh after, I'm like laughing. And I'm like, oh'm gonna say it now. I'm like, oh shoot, no, that was bad. And then when I finally say it, I think I like laugh after, I'm like laughing. And I'm like, oh my God, this guy, I'm like, bro, how did I chop this up so bad? Like I fumbled this so bad. And I remember just her face, like, I was like, oh, I'm like, I'm done, I'm done. And like in that moment when she was like, hey, I have like similar feelings, but I can't say it.

Like, y'all, I was like, I don't know if I showed it, but I was gutted it. Like, y'all, I was like, I don't know if I showed it, but I was gutted. Where are you? Gutted. Because it felt in the moment that she was just saying that, just to spare me of like how I was feeling. She's like, oh, I don't feel the same way,

but yeah, Kendall, yeah, I'll say it when I want. I was like, oh God, this girl hates me. I was like, there's no shot. There's no shot, she'll love me. I was like, oh my goodness gracious. I put my phone in my mouth. And I remember on the boat way back, there was no cameras on,

but I was just crying the whole time on the way back. Nicole doesn't even know that, well now she knows. But I was just like, felt so alone and rejected in that moment. I was like, damn, I really put myself out there for this girl and I had the courage to say it and I just got pied. I was like, that's what I felt like,

I just fucking just got pied. I had to take a while like to get myself together, like to get off the boat because we couldn't talk on the way. We're on different sides of the boat and I remember just having to like sit there and like have her, she had to get off first and then they're like, Kendall, you gotta get yourself together. You're about to go back into the villa. I had to literally go and hide pretty much before seeing everyone, because I was just so emotional and I couldn't stop crying. And I really had to speak to one of the producers

and just kind of tell them about how I was feeling. And I'm so glad I did, because I realized that that wasn't a moment of rejection for me, but it was a moment of growth. And that Nicole, of all people, she has had so many trust issues from her past. And like, she doesn't take these, like, especially these words lightly. And if she in that moment was like, Oh, Kendall, I love you too.

Oh my God. Like I would have probably been like, Whoa. Um, wait, do you? I would have probably called BS because I know how Nicole is. And she has that tough shell around her. So the fact that she was so honest with me in that moment, she could have easily just said, I'm gonna love you too.

And then in her head, she's like, I don't. But she wanted to be honest and said, yeah, I do. But I'm gonna say those words when I'm comfortable. And that's more Nicole than anything. So that's why I was so grateful that she was honest with me in that moment, even though it felt like she was rejecting me. And that's why I was so emotional after. But when I was speaking to someone about it and they're like, Hey, like she does

care about you, but she's going to get there on her own time and for those words, those words are huge. And I was like, yeah, I understand so much now. And it was like this huge weight lifted off my shoulders. After that, I just felt like, okay, great. I'm gonna give her time. And so like, I'm a patient person. So I was like, again, that's why I was like,

yeah, you could say it to me, like whenever you want, I'll be there, never again. So that's why I for sure wanted to put that in my speech because I told her after, like, I don't know if they showed, I pulled her aside and we just chatted about that because she thought that like when I was gonna pull her aside I was gonna like ream into her and say, oh, how'd you like, oh my God,

I can't believe you said that to me. You should have said it back. I was like, Nicole, you thought I was gonna say those things? I was like, yeah, I know, I know. I was like, what? And but so she was, she started crying then because she felt so relieved that I was like just giving? And so she started crying then because she felt so relieved that I was just giving her that time and space.

She's like, Kendall, oh my God, thank you. Because she's been with such terrible people in her past that she's ever met somebody like me who's understanding. And so that meant a lot to her. So that's why I was so took aback when her speech, she's like, hanging to the speech, she's like, Kendall, I'm so nervous.

Oh my God, you're good at these things, I'm not. I'm like, hey, Nicole, we wrote it down. Like, all you need to do is just go up there and just read it. I was like, why are you freaking out? And then I realized why she was freaking out was because she put that in her speech. That's why in the end, I'm just like,

when she said it, I was just like, oh, oh my God. Are y'all still saying, I love you do each other right now? So, yes. So it's like after the show I remember like we were still in the hotel in Fiji and like we said it and I think it's a time where it's like Yeah, we're saying it and it's crazy Does it feel more real to say it in the outside world? Yes, yes saying on the outside world is just different and like because we didn't say it right away on the outside world

And like we still have only said it like a couple times. Like I could count it on my hands. Because- So it's not like, I love you, bye. Yeah, like- No, we're not. We're not there yet. So, but it's been said after and for sure it's different.

Obviously, as you mentioned, Nicole's been open and transparent about her past relationships or struggles with like partners and like not knowing who they were. And then you guys meet in a kind of a universe that's not reality. And then there's just by definition, there's more that you guys don't know about each other than know. Yeah. Right. And has Nicole, either of you really, have you guys had moments where you feel,

did you feel like, oh, I don't know if I know this person. What's been the toughest or scariest conversation you guys have had to have outside of the bubble about learning about each other, your pasts, things like that? Yeah, I mean, things come up about each other's pasts that surprise us, and I think it's taking what that is and communicating about it. Totally.

So it's like, okay, tell me about this moment in your past that I had no idea about. And then I get to be honest with her and say, Hey, there's a reason why it's called your past. It's not who you are now. It's not what defines you. And it's all about having that honest conversation and taking what you heard from that and saying, okay, is this the same person that I'm talking to or is this a new updated version of you? So that's why you just have to have those conversations and that's gonna happen for Nicole and I for a long time.

Oh, shit, look at this. Like, how are you compared to what this version of yourself was? And like meeting friends and hearing stories and then being like, oh my God, one time Kendall did this at a bar. It's like, whoa, what? And then that's another conversation.

I think it will always happen. So I think it's just having that open and honest conversation and like having that transparency is key because so you don't have to have any questions like moving forward, but at the end of the day, like what's past is past is what I always say. And it's about how you move forward from that. Because if there's moments in your past

where you can't get over, then that's a different conversation. But if you could say, hey, that happened in my past and this is how it's made me grow and this is why I don't live in that. I've learned from it, I've grown from it. I've learned from it, I've grown from it. Yeah, absolutely.

That is where you get respect. It's just different if it's like, no, that's the same person, but that's a different conversation. There's things in my past where it's like, no, that's the same person, but that's a different conversation. There's things in my past where I'm like, oh, yep, that was me. I'm still the same goofy asshole. Like that ain't gonna change, but that ain't gonna change.

And, but there's also ones where it's like, no, that was a mistake. And this is how I grew from that mistake. And this is how it's shaped me into the man I am right now. How do you think as a man, you've changed the most for the better? Oh my gosh. I mean, y'all, when I say going through this experience, I told myself I wanted

to be open and vulnerable. If you listen to all my friends back home, like me being like that on the show, like sharing how I feel, like having these deep chats, like that was not how I developed on the outside. I was very like, to myself, did not wanna have those conversations, didn't wanna get into a relationship.

I felt like I would get hurt with my ex, like my actual ex, who I dated. Not the fake one, the real one. The one you dated, exclusively. The one I actually dated exclusively, like made her my girlfriend. She's listening to this episode and be like, oh fuck. Yeah.

She's like, I shouldn't have done that's listening to this episode and be like, oh fuck it. Yeah. I should have done that. So coming out of that relationship, I remember being so hurt and like, damn, I spent years with this girl and look where it's gotten me. After that, I really went into single mode. I was just like, I am not going past a first date. Like I would have a first date and it will go extremely well, extremely well. And I'd say, yeah, I'm not gonna pursue this.

Like I'm not gonna pursue that because I didn't wanna go down the rabbit hole of like having those hits in your stomach for like people you care about when things happen. And it's a terrible feeling when you care about someone and then like they do something or you do something and there's sort of this wall between you guys. It's the worst feeling.

And going through those things with a person, but I had to remember that there are so many good things when you're in a relationship. But at that point I was just like, nope, I'm not going there, I'm not going there. But going to the show, I was like, you know what? It's been a couple years. If I find someone, I find someone.

I'm like, yeah, well, yeah, it's probably low. But what I will do is I'm gonna be myself and I'm gonna be open and I'm gonna be like, all my feelings, when I feel something, I'm gonna tell that person. And I'm not gonna hold back. And so I think that's where I've grown the most is that coming out of this experience,

I'm so glad that I did that because I would have never gotten to the point I am with Nicole. I would have never felt those feelings for her. And that's why I have no regrets when it comes to how open I was on the show because it got to me to such a point of happiness. I've never felt literally like on Cloud 9.

Like Cloud 9, I was like, oh, Cloud 9 is a myth. Like I was on like Cloud 9 with Nicole. Like, so like being with her, like brought out such this different side of me. And like, I just felt myself caring for her, like more and more by the day. And like, that is a feeling that I like, I crave. I just crave better than how fun you could have being single

and doing your thing and not being open. Like it's, it can get cold, honestly. So having Nicole, it was like, I felt like such a warmth with her. And so being myself got me there and not holding back with how I felt about her. So I feel like that's what gave me the confidence to tell her I loved her.

Without that confidence and being open, I would have never had those feelings and I would have never been able to have them reciprocated. Which again, still shocked that it was reciprocated. I was like, you just saying that like you guys are saying that? Because I honestly was like, yeah, probably in a couple months,

when we get out of here, maybe she, like she'll get there, maybe. And then I was just mind blown when that happened. But no, that's for sure how I've grown since coming out of the villa. I'm so glad I was the way I was. Relationships obviously are just hard in general. They're even harder when you're coming off of reality TV. Like what is something that if you guys weren't to work out,

what is a challenge that you guys feel like you might be facing? Or like, what do you think it will be that you might not be able to get over? Are there obstacles you've already learned about each other? Or it's just like, hey, I think we got to figure this part out. Yeah, I think when it comes to like obstacles that we're facing, I'd say between like Nicole and I, it's all about trust. And there's so many different like birds in each other's ears.

Like there's so many in my ear, so many in her ear. And all of that goes out the window if you have that trust. So what Nicole and I are building right now is trust. Is that point of like, okay, no matter what we hear, if we go back to each other and talk it out, we can work it out. So I think that's our biggest obstacle, is building that trust, because we built it in the villa,

but now it's about, hey, can we build that out here, on the outside? Is that something that we can get? There also comes a point, I think, where you do just need to collectively decide to, hey, we're gonna block out the outside noise. Nick and I did that a long time ago, and it's crazy how much it changes your relationship,

because I feel like you do. Yeah, once you let the world in, it's so hard to stop and stop reading it and stop listening to it and stop letting it affect you, but once you're like, all right, this is what matters, what we tell each other matters. None of this bullshit does. None of them know us.

Let's just focus on us. And I feel like your relationship will be amazing. 100%. I couldn't agree more. It's gonna take time and I hope we get there. If we don't, we don't. But I believe in what we have. So I'm praying that things work out.

But only time will tell, honestly. So there's a lot of adjustments that need to be made, but there's still a lot of conversations that Nicole and I need to have. So it's like, when we haven't really had time, honestly, guys, like since coming out, like Nicole and I, it's been tough for us to both sit in a room alone and have conversations. Kind of seems like I almost like a scary time for the relationship because you don't, you know less than you know and you haven't had time.

You're both individually decompressing. 100%. Like dealing with friends and family's reactions. Like we all have heard like Gaylor's mom talk about Aaron and shit like that. And how do you deal with shit like that? And I'm sure you guys are going through your, you know, and obviously you care about her.

What would you say the percentage of chances that you guys show up at the reunion still together? Percentages? I mean, I can't even really put a percentage on it because we still- But it's not a hundred. It's not a hundred. No, it's not a hundred, I'd say.

Because like, there's no guarantees on what will happen. Like I don't know the future. I don't know what's gonna happen in a week or in a day or until the reunion. So it'll be a lie if I said, oh, 100% chance, because I just don't know. But I believe that when we have those conversations, it can go well, but there's also a thought

that it couldn't, because I'm honest with myself and this isn't my decision. This isn't like, okay, I wanna be with you. Well, let's do this. It's not like it's in Nicole's court. End of the day, we're gonna respect what we decide on, but it's at a point where we need to have conversations guys. Like it's just, we haven't had those.

We came back from the Villa and like, it's like all this PR and like we're having these interviews. But I also do understand like you get so deep. You have so many conversations in the Villa that when you get out, you're like, and this is kind of what Kayla was saying, she's like, I just wanna have fun. She's like, I just wanna go see the Hollywood sign. I don't wanna talk about my feelings.

I don't wanna talk, I've been doing that all fucking summer. So true. I just wanna chill. It doesn't need to be that deep right now. So maybe you're on the same wavelength. So yeah, that's why it's been fun. We were at Universal the other day, just having fun. But in the back of my mind, I'm thinking, I still need to have a chat with Nicole. That's why it's been fun. We were at Universal the other day, just having fun.

But in the back of my mind, I'm thinking, I still need to have a chat with Nicole. We just haven't had, I know it's just- How long you think you're gonna use Love Island lingo? Yeah, get this, it's forever. It brained. You used it the most. You did, no, you were like, banter, buzzin'. Wait, so I heard about the buzzing thing, so I didn't even know that was like a Love Island thing.

Like, back in, like, you could tell all my boys, like even in high school, I'd always say, the boys are buzzing. I always would use that. So like, buzzing is one of, like, always been one of my phrases, and it's so funny that, like, I heard that on the outside, like,

there, Kendall, you were using a lot of Love Island, like, buzzing, I was like, buzzing is a Love Island lingo? Like, it's funny they're Kendall you're using a lot of love Island like buzzing I was like buzzing is a love Island lingo like I thought you were like a UK watcher because I was like that's yeah commonly language like no like I had a legit no idea buzzing was all those things like gutted yeah gutted is like I used like that's like my go-to like yeah I'll fill in fucking gutted like that's just like so that's why when I heard all those things it's like like, Kendall's studying for this.

I was like, y'all, oh my goodness gracious. It's like, that's so not true. But like, it's, I have a lot of lingo. Like my friends back home, I say the craziest things. Nosty, like all these different things. I love Nosty. I wanna take that. I love it.

You and Hot Tua girl. Yeah. I love it. Do you know who Hot Tua girl is? Who's that? Okay. Yeah, it's fat. I feel like they've been so, yeah.

They have no idea. That is so crazy. What, Hot Tua? Hot Tua? Okay. Yeah, it's Fet. I feel like they've been so, yeah. They have no idea. That is so crazy. What, Hot Tua? Hot Tua? There was a girl who was asked a question in Nashville, like man on the street, and it was like, what's one thing that you can do to like keep your man happy?

And she was like, you know, you got a Hot Tua spit on that thing, you know what I'm saying? And it's gone like absolutely insane viral. And now she has two million followers. Yeah. No. Honestly, three million, if you include all her platforms. A lot, she's crushing million followers. She is, yeah. No. On Instagram, three million, if you include all her platforms.

Goodness gracious. But she was on the show and she said it just like you. Oh, for real? So maybe you inspired her. Oh, yeah, maybe. That would have been so fun. We should have had like five things that have happened in pop culture since they've been gone.

And be like, what do you think is true? What do you think's not true? Did they tell you about, not to get, I mean, we're not a political show, but like there was an assassination attempt that happened in this country that did, which was kind of a big deal. Did you guys even find out about that?

We did it until it was over, until it was over. Like, it was so crazy, crazy. That when I first heard that, I was like, that's when it really hit, that, yeah, life still goes on when you're in this, like, it doesn't pause, like, things continue. And when I heard that, I was just like, my jaw was on the floor, I was like. Like it doesn't pause. Like things continue. And when I heard that, I was just like, my jaw was on the floor.

I was like, this is insane how long I've been gone. Like I was there in Fiji for like, felt like over two months because they flew me out earlier in like May. So like coming out was just like, oh my God, there's so much. You flew out in May. Yeah, like legit May.

And- Yeah, I'm like, what has gone on all summer? Like what has happened? What can I tell you that you'll be like, who? Who's getting a divorce? I know, right? I continuously get shocked every time I'm told news. I was like, oh wow, that happened.

Oh my goodness. What is one thing that you have learned about Nicole since being out that you love, that you did not know in the villa? I mean, like when it comes to who Nicole is, like I think I've learned that she has this really fun, playful side to her, just for her showing me videos of her phone,

of her like DJing and like her being with her friends. So like seeing that side of her. She's a DJ? She does a little DJing too. Like she's like still early on the stage. But I know. But I think seeing that really because like Nicole, like she has this fun sarcasm to her and that's why I feel like she keeps me on my toes because I never know what she's gonna say next to me. She's like gonna roast me

or not. I take it on the chin. But seeing how she is like with her friends and how she is like such a light, I was really like, I'm like, wow, I didn't know you had that really fun, just Lucy, Lucy goosey side to you. Because when I see Nicole, I just see the strong, independent woman, very mature. So seeing that side of her has kind of surprised me,

but I love it because I'm like, yes, I knew we would have fun on the outside, like going out together, but I love it because I'm like, yes, I knew we would have fun on the outside, like going out together, but like, I didn't know it was like to that point where she really has that really fun, playful side to her. All right, I'm gonna give you a scenario. You got your boy, right? He's your best friend.

He meets a girl. You like, you become friends with her too, right? Now you're friends with both of them, but your boy is like your boy. And then like, you find out your boy is like dibbling on the side a little bit. Like, do you tell her or like what's going on? What's up? Like, how do you handle a situation like that?

Because you like at Casa, like it kind of seemed like maybe. Yeah, like maybe maybe he's learned some new tactics, new ways of moving. Are you like, are you a boy's boy to like to the end or? Oh, guys. Yeah. So yeah, I'm so glad we get to talk about casa so I think going into casa as guys like we just were like hey that's going with an open mind but that was open but it was open but my mind so free. I know, do whatever I want here. But I think what went wrong was there was no accountability. There were no guidelines on how to act.

Because for me personally, I was like, yeah, I'll go in here with open mind and get to know these girls. But I'm always, before I do anything with a girl, anything, I'm always going to think, okay, if I talk to this girl this way, or if I cuddle a girl this way, or if I kiss one, like what would I feel if Nicole was doing that? I remember thinking like being in a bed with another girl and like cuddling her. I just, I just putting my hand down on a girl. And then I would think of Nicole, if she had a hand around a guy and was

cuddling her and I could, you know, it made me sick, like sick to my stomach. I was like, Oh my God. Okay. I don't want to do that. I can't do that. But for me to get clarity on that, how I felt was, yeah, I want to want to do that. I can't do that. But for me to get clarity on how I felt was, yeah, I'm going to talk to these girls. And I'll know like after conversations, like pretty early on, I'll know. Cause again, with Nicole first date, boom, I knew I was like, yes, like this is someone

like, I really want to continue to get to know. So having those conversations with those girls, like that's what I wanted to do. And I realized that, okay, this ain't going, none of these girls are Nicole, it's not gonna work out. So I learned pretty early on the experience, where I stood, but other people have different ways of reaching that clarity. That was my way of reaching clarity, and other people had different ways.

But I mean, yeah, I think your ways seem to be on the more respectful side, and it's like, no one had a problem with the way You moved it was like why couldn't you be the friend to say yeah Like hey man, like like think about your girl or like you're better than this rather than being like the kind of the bro We cheerleader. Yeah, like egging his boy. So I think I took how I should have acted the wrong way I thought I was like, yeah, we're in casa like this is my experience But I'm seeing how the guys are rolling. I'm like I wanted to I thought, I was like, yeah, we're in Casa, like this is my experience, but I'm seeing how the guys are rolling.

I'm like, I wanted to support them. I was like, yo, hey, if this is something you want to explore, like for instance, with Cordell. Like I was like, yeah, I saw how he was with this girl. And I was like, hey man, like freaking go for it. And I got caught up in the moment thinking just solely what I was looking at in front of me, seeing Deja and Cordell, I was just watching that. I was looking at in front of me, seeing

Deja and Cordell, I was just watching that. I was like, okay, this is great. This is great. Continue to explore. Do it. Love it. And then I wasn't thinking, oh my God, Rena back home, Kayla back home, what are they doing?

How would they feel about seeing how Cordell is, how Aaron's doing it right now? How would they feel? I wasn't thinking that. I was just literally thinking, okay, hey, we're in Casa. The goal is to explore. Oh, this is the girl you like? Okay, yeah, yeah, do that. Oh, yeah, don't worry about it.

Continue. Like literally go off. Like whatever you want to do. Like instead of saying, hey, wow, like you just kissed Deya or you just kissed Daniela, damn, like I know we wanna explore, but like you sure this is how you wanna go about it? I didn't, I did not say any of that. That is my biggest regret.

Like my biggest regret by far is not having the OG girls' backs in there, not bringing it up to the boys consistently saying, hey, you can explore, you're doing this, but again, hey, remember, I don't know if this is the way you find clarity, but just imagine how Kayla would feel if you do that. Just imagine how Serena would feel if you were doing that.

Do you really think this is how you wanna act? I did not bring that up, and I regret it to this day so much because I care so much for those girls, especially the OGs because I came in there the first day and I always had their backs and they helped me so much throughout that process, especially earlier on when I was kind of going through it. I would always go to the girls too

and they would give me such sound advice to stick through. I think especially Jenae, Jenae has been my rock. Jenae and Leah, they have been for me, even when I got back to Kostel, they did not waver. They're like, hey, Kendall, we support you no matter what. So I think especially with Serena, it was a point where I was like, damn, she was so supportive of me.

And I just felt sick to my stomach coming back because I'm like, wow, I really didn't have her back. I should have been more upfront with Cordell and been like, hey, like, Rena's a great girl because I know how much he liked her. And I think I just wanted him happy. Like seeing Cordell happy, like Cordell's like my best friend in there.

And we've been through so much and I saw how like down he would get back in the villa. And when I saw how he was at Casa, I just wanted so much for him. And like reaching out and telling him to stop what he was doing in that moment felt like the wrong thing to do. So I was like, hey, you're happy,

like do what you're doing. And it got to an extent where it was too much. Kenny said y'all all went into Casa Amor with this list of boundaries, not sleeping in the bed without your shirt, no kissing, how soon did those fly out the window when you got to Casa? Yeah, I'd say there were boundaries being set

and everyone kind of had different boundaries. I honestly didn't come in with any boundaries. I was just like, hey, I'm just gonna be open and then see what happens because I didn't wanna say something and then not go forward through it. So I think those did go out the window. You guys saw it pretty early.

And I think it was just a domino effect. Like when someone saw someone doing something, it was like, oh. You guys treated it as almost like a hall pass. Yeah. You're like, oh fuck, I guess I get to do this shit. Yeah, I know like it legit, it was kind of like, I think when the first Domino fell, I forgot like who,

like if it was either Aaron kissing Daniela or seeing Cordell, I think as a group, the guys were just like, oh shit, like maybe like this is what we need to do. Like this is like, this is the experience, I guess. And that's when shit just hit the fan. And then it was like, everyone was just like, I remember looking around and saying like,

this is madness. Like, literally like, this is madness. And that's why I really, I wish I could just go back in time and just say, guys, like, we gotta get it together. There's like, because CASA was, again, the experience was to get to the ladies' girls. Like, we had like, we were not gonna go in there and just sit in a corner and say, all right,

everyone just close your eyes and in a couple of days we will be back in the building. I mean, that's kind of what the girls did. The girls slept outside. The girls were like, I'm not really- Also, there was like getting to know someone. I mean, I don't know how well you get to know someone by just like rubbing your hands all over them and shit, but like- Yeah.

More like getting to know someone's like talking. No, I agree. How you move versus some of the other guys. Yeah, so that again, that's what I thought, what I honestly thought that was how it was gonna be for all of us, like we're all gonna talk to these girls and then like, and then at the end of it, we'll decide if we wanna bring them back.

And I think why the guys brought the girls back, like I think everyone brought someone back, besides Erin and I, but the other guys who brought them back, I think the mindset was not, we're bringing this girl back because it's a stronger connection. The mindset was, we're bringing this girl back because there could be potential there.

There could be potential and we'll see how the girls react to having another girl. That was an interesting choice. Yeah, no, and so- It made for great television. Yeah, it was an interesting choice. Yeah, no, and so. It made for great television. Yeah, I know. So I think having that, that was the mindset. And oh yeah, like for Cordell, like we were like,

oh yeah, it will be like, you not bringing a girl back would be a disservice to yourself because you need to see if this is real. Like when you bring it back and they see how she reacts to seeing, like how Serena reacts to seeing you with another girl, she's to seeing you with another girl, she's never seen you with another girl before. Like let's see if she's like,

gonna stick with she is or change. And it wasn't a fact that, oh no, bring Daya back because it's stronger than Serena. But you see now how maybe that logic. The logic, like I realized it right away, sitting around the fire pit, I was like, oh, bringing a girl back does not mean that. Bringing a girl back means fuck you.

Yeah, literally it means like, oh no, I'm bringing her back because I have a stronger connection. That was not the guy's mindset at all. No one brought a girl back there saying, I am bringing like, sir, like Miguel, Sierra, I'm bringing Sierra back because I have a stronger connection than with Leo. with Leo. Like that's a hundred percent. Like none of us had that mindset, but the girls, we realized quickly, no, the girls

said, well, Hey, no, you bring somebody back means that that's the one you want to fuck with. Like that's the one that you care about more. So, and then that's why it was a bloodbath. Like literally I remember sitting there and seeing all the guys. First of all, that's why I was confused when I came in there. I was like, I was like, wait, is Nicole going to decide between me and the guys in front of me right now?

That's why I didn't really realize. I don't know if they put that in there. I was like, I was like, all right, this is, I was like, does this mean like, she is single? Like, so I never being confused. Yes. I was like, yeah, thank God. So then me sitting there and then like hearing the girls' speeches like, oh,

how do you experience? But like really focused, like said, like there's no connection here that's stronger than the one I have back home with my guy from the OG Villa. So I'm going to stay single. I was like, after every single one of those speeches, I was just like, oh, we did two different CASA experiences. Like we had two different mindsets.

The girl's mindset was like, they're not gonna couple up with a guy unless they feel like the connection's stronger. The men's mindset was, oh, if we see even potential, even the slightest potential, I think even with Kenny. Like Kenny with Kat was like such last second. And it was not even close. Like the connection like he has with Jenae had with Jenae at that time.

Compared to the connection he had with Kat was not even close. But the fact he was telling me, yeah, we kissed like, yeah, I might have had a little spark there, like thing going to bring her back, like see if we can chat further. Like it was that it was it was not like if we had that mindset of, OK, guys, the only way we bring a girl back is if we have a strong connection and the girl's back home. We'd all come back single. We'd all come back single.

Because that was a God's honest truth. That's why you saw. You guys are just sampling at a grocery store when they're handing out those little chicken nuggets. Literally. You're in Sam's Club. Yeah, literally we're out there in fricking Sam's Club, Costco. Ooh, snacks.

Yeah, so yeah, so I think that that's where we fell short and that's why I have nothing but respect. Like me, Rena, Kay, like we're on the best of terms now. Like this, it's been buried, squashed. Like Serena's still one of my best girlfriends and same with Kaylor. Like we were just chatting again, deep conversations last night.

Like I, I love them to pieces. And that's why I was just so broken inside coming back and having to rewatch myself like I was like, God, like every time I like saw those clips, especially movie night, I was like, Oh my God, Kendall, you really were a freaking dodo out there. Like you legit had like, what were you? I still have these feelings. When I see clips, I'm like, oh my God, Kindle,

how could you, how did you say those things? Like, cause like hindsight's 20-20, but only thing I could do is not harp on what I said and just know where I stand with the girls now and that I have Serena's back, Kayla's back, Leah's back, Janay's back, like all these girls backs. Kayla?

Yeah, Kayla. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Kayla's back. Yeah, I have all the girls backs and they have mine and we could just put that, what I said in Kosta behind us and only move forward because I cannot be happier when I see like Serena and Cordell now because guess what? All I care about is, especially like, is Cordell, like, and where his head's at, cause I love Serena, but Cordell's like my best friend.

So seeing how he is now, he's skipping around, and that's why I'm like, I can not like support this anymore. That I like, I legit love them together. Kayla and Erin, obviously they're going through it a little bit right now, with just like, again, public eye perception and like, I legit love them together. Kayla and Erin, obviously they're going through it a little bit right now with just like, again, public eye perception and like going through with their own CASA experience, but I love them together.

Like that's why like I could be content in this moment and like not have to worry about like comments of what happened in CASA for how I acted because I know where I stand with the girls now and we couldn't be more closer. But all you have to do is just move on and grow from it. And I've learned so much that you cannot, you cannot. So I'm very friendly.

Like I like to make a lot of friends. And I realized that, hey man, like you can't, you have to give people like the truth sometimes even when it hurts. So like I found myself consoling so many people who were going through it that it came across as, no, Kendall, you need to give someone, even if they don't want to hear it, you got the truth.

You can't just soften these blows because then it seems like you're playing both sides. So that's what I learned about just myself looking forward is that not everyone could be happy with you. Not everyone's gonna be happy with what you have to say but you have to say it because you can't make sure everyone's pleased like it's just like especially for me like being social and wanting to be friends with

everyone that's just how I am like back home on the same way I love like meeting new people and like being friends with everyone so but there gets to a point where it's like hey like you got close with these girls and like you can't bring that same energy you have with OG close with these girls and like you can't bring that same Energy you have with ogs to these girls you just met you just can't you can't you can't like talk to Daniela and then have the same Conversation with Kayla or whatever it is. It's just different So I think that's where I've learned more about myself and that's where I feel like I've grown the most Having that backbone moving forward. Yeah. Well, it's been fun talking with you. Thanks for being so open. We wish you the absolute best of luck, you and Nicole,

whatever happens, whether it's as individuals or together. Thank you. I hope you guys make it. Can you give us one? Give us a nasty. Oh, the genuine connections with genuine intentions. Genuine connections with genuine intentions. Genuine connections with genuine intentions.

Hey! Yeah, we are getting nasty. Genuine connections with genuine intentions. Genuine connections with genuine intentions. Hey. I love it. Yeah, we are getting nasty. Nasty. Oh yeah, Kendall. All right, man. I appreciate you.

Thanks for stopping by. Wishing you the best of luck, man. Appreciate y'all. All right, take care. Thank you. Okay, well, thank you, Kendall. Do we think they're, well, I don't think they're gonna be together

by the reunion. I just have a feeling. I just, I'm not seeing it. I think he's so sweet and I really do want the best for him. But I don't know, just from what I've seen on social media recently. I was going to say, social media shows otherwise. Yeah. I feel like if you're in LA at the same time and everybody's with their significant other, and then you guys are on opposite ends of the photo. I'm like, mm. Like she needs a break.

Yeah, and maybe that is what she needs. Maybe she just needs to decompress and get back to her life and miss him a little bit. It does make me sad because I do think what we saw on Love Island, they seemed like a good couple. They seemed really compatible. And I think the people we talked about, we talked about they have a lot in common.

They both kind of seem to be like, they were almost like nerds growing up. And they, someone said, I remember like, they were talking about they both like are big Star Wars fans or whatever. Not that that's like the end all be all, but like, I think they were one of the more consistent drama-free couples.

Is that enough though? Well, obviously like you get to know less than 1% of who these people are. But is it the sticker shock of too much too soon about who you are in a relationship with? Yeah. I also feel like when you feel like you have to say things based off of circumstances or environment.

Inside the villa. Yeah, and I'm just like, not that it's not a genuine moment, but it is kind of a manufactured moment. I feel like she would have felt like a complete dick if she didn't say those words during her speech when she didn't have to. And now it's like-

Maybe I love yous. Yeah, like I'm just saying, I think for people who have issues with being open and vulnerable and have been hurt and whatnot, saying those types of things, I feel like that also gives you kind of like a shock to your reality of being like, I said that, but like now I don't know if I meant that or like, you know what I mean?

Cause that's a big thing for her. Oh, so because she said that and now when she's getting out. You know what I mean? To where I'm just like, not like buyer's remorse per se, but it's just kind of one of those things where it's like she said a lot, but she hasn't know who she is outside of the villa with this person.

So it's like, now I feel like we took two steps too far and backtracking almost seems like, I I feel like we took two steps too far and backtracking almost seems like, I don't know if she feels that she can. So it almost seemed better to just kind of cut it and start over or maybe. You're making me think of a question I wish I would have asked Kendall,

but at the same time, I already know how he would have answered. Yeah. I think the question I would have asked based on what, and I think I agree with you, is that clearly Nicole is someone who struggles with words of affirmation. She's resistant to opening up,

at least with the L word or whatever. I'm guessing you two talked about that. She even was open about it to America. And Kendall, you could argue, handled it really in a great way. He wanted to express how he was feeling. Hey, this is a show about love. I'm here to be open.

He was. And then after he didn't get a response back from Nicole, I thought his response was perfect. It's just like, hey, I wanted to say this because how I felt, I don't want you to feel pressure. I'll wait forever. I think that all sounds nice in theory. But theory is sometimes just theory.

I think once the cat's out of the bag, it's always hard to put back in, so to speak. And so if she already knows that he said this, and even if it's said to you and that person's like, oh, wait forever, blah, blah, blah, you still feel like the clock started. You know what I'm saying? And so there is a pressure to say it.

And then since this is, like you said, the reality TV of it all, and it being the final episode and wanting to have a moment, like it makes her saying it, yeah, like that much more disingenuous. Not like she's disingenuous, the moment, the pressure of the show. So I guess my question I would have wanted to ask Kendall,

knowing that you know who this person is, do you almost regret saying it? Like, you know, it's like, he was like, no man, I wanna be honest. That's what he would have, I know how he would have, he would have responded that way. But I really wonder if like, I think, I think the right answer would have been not to say it.

If he knew that he was gonna finish fourth anyways, that him and Nicole were gonna finish fourth, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, neither of them were gonna have a shot at being America's favorite couple. Like, would he have just wanted to like, take it slow, pull back a little bit, almost act as if, you know, it's almost kind of game-playing at this point to act as if like well you know we're both still figuring it out. I need to figure

it out but now that Kendall's is like I'm not figuring anything out, I know that I love you and now I'm just waiting for you, does put it just a ton of pressure on that other person. Even if you like are so chill and you know everything you said and everything you said was perfect, he could not have handled it in a better way once he said it. But maybe just not say it next time. I think it was just a bit much for her.

And I also did tell him, I was like, I do wish that Love Island showed this side of you, like him talking, I was so impressed with him and he's so personable, I think he's very self-aware. And I'm just like, I feel like you got such a goofball edit on Love Island that I'm like, it's kind of sad. So I'm glad that we at least got to experience that side of him, because I feel like he is so.

It seems like it's really sweet, nice, genuine guy. And I'm sad if they don't work out, but it's definitely giving Nicole's freaking out. She needs her space and he is consistent, right? Like he was the understanding, consistent guy who's just gonna be there or whatever she needs. And he's in a tough spot right now. I really feel for him because I think it's easy

to make fun of the fact that Nicole's clearly pulling back. But I don't know, Kendall seems like a really stand-up guy. He might not be for you, he might give you the ick, or you might find him weird or whatever, but he seems like a high-character guy, and I'm rooting for him outside of the show. Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more. All right, well that does it for today.

Don't forget tomorrow we have everyone's maybe favorite Love Island couple. I think they're competing. Yeah. I think they're competing. I know like no one loves Serena and Cordell more than me. Truly, I love them. We know.

But I do think Janae and Kenny have a chance of ending up being the actual winners of Love Island. And what I mean by that is like the couple that like, you know, makes it and we all love. of ending up being the actual winners of Love Island. And what I mean by that is like the couple that like, you know, makes it and we all love. We'll see. Janee's over a million followers now, so. Pop off Queen.

Yeah. Get it, and Kenny. Well, you'll get to find out more about their love story. You get to see for yourself whether they make it or not. It's a great episode. I hope you tune in. And that's tomorrow. And then on Thursday, we got Jen Tran

joining us for Reality Recap. Lots to get into. Plus, we'll be talking more Real Housewives of Orange County. We can dabble in some Dubai. Started watching that. Jersey just finally had a finale. Yeah. I haven't watched it yet.

Did you guys watch it yet? I'm halfway through. All right. Well, we'll be talking about that as well. Plus again, Jen Tran, that's all this week. Thanks for listening. Bye.