The Viall Files - E786 - Jenn Tran the Bachelorette, Gen Z Skincare, the Olympics, and RHOC

Episode Date: August 1, 2024

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Discover small businesses on Etsy. What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another electric episode of the Vyphos Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick Jones, by the household. How's everyone doing? They are fantastic. Amazing. My family's in town. Three of my sisters and all of their kids, so all of River's girl cousins are here.

It's like the first time she's like, we're like all playing together, you know, it's so cute. But I've come to realize that my nieces have a very different childhood than I had to the point of like, well, it's just like the stuff they're into. I mean, the 11 year old twins, they're wanting to go shopping. I'm like, okay, well, like what stores are you into? And they were like Lululemon, Sephora.

They like did heatless curls. They have a skincare routine. That's my little sister. And I'm like, what I was doing at 11, like I- A skincare routine? No, they are doing a skincare routine. Me at 11, like I was clocked in. I was working.

I was teaching my class. I was in my basement wearing my mom's heels, using an expo marker on the TV, talking to absolutely fucking nobody. And I was teaching. I was working, nine to five. I was clocked in. And these kids are like, let's get a little lemon and like, let's get drunk elephant products. $85 moisturizer.

It's crazy. That's just gonna damage your skin, babe. Absolutely not for our daughter. It's crazy. No offense to your sisters. No, but no, it's every kid that age. That's what it is now. That's so wrong and inappropriate.

That's fucking crazy. What is going on? It's like 10 year olds. That's what it is now. That's so wrong and inappropriate. That's fucking crazy. What is going on? It's like 10 year olds don't have an awkward phase anymore. Like we were like, we're so excited about getting like colors on our braces and like putting together dance from in sync. That's not okay. The glasses.

12 and 13 year olds should not be like worrying about skincare routines. Yeah. And we shouldn't know like. I do think skincare is good, but the drunken elephant, I'm like, y'all can skip that. Like, why are you paying that much? We're doing the CVS.

My mom would take us to CVS. Neutrogena. That's what I'm saying, Target. Clean and clear. Not even Target, are you kidding? CVS. The drugstore, like, just whatever. That's what I was getting.

I was getting makeup wipes. I was burning my skin off with OxyPads. I'm fully prepared for our daughter to scream and shout I was getting makeup wipes. I was burning my skin off with OxyPads. Yeah. I'm fully prepared for our daughter to scream and shout and tell us how much we don't give her. They're using eyelash serums. No. I'm like, this is crazy.

But honestly, at the same time, kind of fun. It's me and River are like, no, if me and River... But no. ...are doing our skincare routine together, it's kind of fun. You should tell them they have baby skin, so they don't need the skincare. We do it to get their skin. Yeah, I've seen Sephora employees literally have to tell

12-year-olds being like, you really shouldn't put this on your skin, it's really bad for you. You haven't even fully developed yet. Inappropriate. How are you anti-aging? You haven't aged yet. Sarah's a point too,

because they're skipping, they don't need to glow up. Yeah. They're getting, they're getting older. I mean, everyone's getting older, but like, yeah, they're expediting the process. Yeah, but that's not for some people, not even puberty. It's just crazy. I was like, this is, but that's just like some of them, like one of my other nieces, she's not into any of that.

And she just likes to like, how old is she? 10. She's a year younger than them and she's just not, you that. And she just likes to like. How old is she? 10. She's a year younger than them. And she's just not, you know. It's just crazy the like difference. And I'm like, I wonder where River's gonna fall. And like. I can tell you where she's gonna fall. But like, I also think it would be so fun.

Stop it. To do like, let's do our eye cream. Don't be selfish. But I think they do, I think they should make like, because I think kids are into this type of stuff. Every boy would use their, I remember shaving with my dad when I was like eight and he either gave me like a fake razor

or like something that looked like a razor and then I would put like shaving cream shirt. Do that with your kids. Like it's fake. Put like, I don't know, something that's not, you know, $85 or not even made for kids on their skin or actually have a routine. They can fuck around with mom,

but they don't need to actually think that there's something going on here. Where is the Fanta chapstick? That's what I was using. Dr. Pepper, Dr. Pepper, what I was using. Dr. Pepper. Dr. Pepper, a lip smacker. That did, that's suffice. Yeah.

They used your now. Yeah. It's crazy. Out of their Lululemon pouches. And it's also just like, I mean, it's different, I think with me, but one of them, the oldest one was nervous to order at the table. And I was like, mom, I want the spaghetti.

Because I think a lot of kids in that generation are on like iPads or whatever at a table. And so they're just like forced to not socialize with anyone. And so it's like uncomfortable when they don't have the iPad, they don't know how to socialize. It's crazy. Well, I mean, they go to school.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. And they all play sports. They're all like super out there. But I think to school. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They have friends. Oh yeah, and they all play sports. They're all like super out there, but I think it's just like, yeah, maybe in restaurants, I feel like it's probably different. I mean, my mom would be like, go check out. Like, here's my credit card, go check out.

Yeah. But no, I mean, it's a problem where their kids have lost their independence, whether it's they're being raised by iPads or parents are being like too helicopter-y, you know? Like it's a growing problem. Not our daughter, no. Yeah, I feel like if I was your niece,

I'd be like on a horse every day. Well, that is one of them. Yeah. Like that one would be me. But that's also like, that's on a farm, you know, with no one else, you know? She's an only child. Yeah.

And so yeah, she gets on a horse and she like, what? Goes out into the woods. The animals are my best friends. And it's like, yeah. I would yeah, she gets on a horse and she like, what goes out into the woods? It's like the animals are my best friends. Yeah. I would die for that. It's snow white. Well, we have a great, great episode today. We have Jen Tran, your current Bachelorette with us

later in the episode, excited to talk with her. Lots of burning questions. Obviously we were in mid-season form. She's got an old boyfriend showing up. Does she keep him? Does she not? Does she like any of these men? Again, lots of questions with Jen. On a very sad note, Haley Merck passed away. Haley was on

my season of The Bachelor. She left week two. I didn't really get to know her very well at all, but I do like, I very much vividly remember her and I remember her to be very sweet and kind. And it's just very tragic. I mean, she struggled with a very tough battle of leukemia, it sounds like, and recently passed away. So our love and hearts go out to her family, who are obviously going through it. It sounds like she really put up a very courageous fight, and unfortunately, she's with us no more. But very sad to see that she passed, and we're definitely praying for her and her family.

We also have Janae and Kenny's episode of Going Deeper that dropped yesterday. I feel like everyone in the world has already listened to it, but if you haven't, it is a very fun, very sweet episode. It's a love fest. Really believe it in those two. As I always say, relationships of all kinds are very hard to make work. And so who knows what the future holds

for any of these couples, but I believe in their shot. Like they have a real shot. And I'm really excited for them. They're great people. So make sure to check out that episode if you haven't already. All right, let's get into household headlines. Well, the US Women's Gymnastics teams popped off again.

Got a gold. Did they always get gold? I think we're pretty damn good. They're good, yeah. We pretty much dominate gymnastics. We? Oh, we. Oh yeah, no.

Well, they represent us. As I'm wearing a Paris top, but yes, we represent us. They represent us. Yeah. So it is we. We did really good on the vault. And we worked really hard. And I'm just really proud of us.

Yeah, yeah. Simone did great. They all did great. They all did great. There is some drama going on over in the gymnastics though. I know. Because Michaela Skinner, she's an Olympic silver medalist. Before their version of the Olympics happened, on a YouTube video she said, but besides Simone,

I feel like the talent and depth just isn't what it used to be. I mean, obviously a lot of girls won't work as hard. The girls just don't have the work ethic. She's trying to say that because they have Simone, they don't have to work as hard? No, they're just saying besides Simone, like nobody actually like is good anymore. When did she say this? She said this in a YouTube video that's now been deleted. How long ago?

Before we won. Did you see Simone's caption? So then yeah, so Simone posted and she captioned, lack of talent, lazy, ozempic champions, heart emoji. Ozympic. Olympic. Did you say ozympic? Ozympic.

Freudian slip. You're watching too much Housewives. Lack of talent, lazy Olympic champions. Period. Yeah. Oh, you know, didn't she apologize? Yeah, she did. She did, but she had to.

Yeah. Until she only got the Olympic gold. That's an L. Was she at the Tokyo Olympics? When did she last compete? Yeah. Mikaela Skinner. Yes.

Did she win gold? Silver. Silver. You Skinner. Yes. Did she win gold? Silver. Silver. You know how many gold Simone Biles has? Eight. Eight? 24. Oh, 24?

Something like that. It's in the 20s. It might even be approaching 30. No, it was 23 and then they just won gold again, so 24, if I'm doing the math correct. No, when they were, when they- How many gold medals or how many medals in general? This is her fifth gold.

How many medals in general? It said it fifth gold. How many medals in general? It said it on- Wait, she's only won five golds? She's got 23 world gold medals and then six- World gold? Oh, so every year they compete at the world championships. The Olympics is only every four years. Either way, she's really good.

Yeah, I know, she's good. You can tell like when she wins, she's like really happy for her teammates because it's almost as if she's been there before. Simone Biles' eighth Olympic medal. Eighth Olympic medal. She's got 24 medals. And then fifth gold.

Fifth gold. Yeah. Wow. Either way, very good. She's collecting. She's impressive. The whole team was impressive. Suni Lee.

Auburn Tiger. Amazing. I mean, I just like watching, uneven bars is one of my favorite Olympic events that happen and it's just so crazy watching these people just swing their bodies like full on pendulums. And then I also watched a couple of people fall in like training and I was like,

what would that even feel like? Did you see the Brazilian girl who fell on her face and then got back up and then did the routine? Why didn't she get back up right away? Yeah, she could walk it off. She had like a whole bandage over her face. Absolute stud. I'm like wild, so impressive.

Did you see the video of right after they got their gold? I think it was Sunni and Simone were like, what TikTok dances are you doing? I'm gonna do this TikTok dance. I'm gonna do this TikTok dance. And people were like, how iconic is it to win an Olympic gold and be like, let me shoot a TikTok?

They've never done that. That's acting as if, you know. Right. Like they've been there before. Also the women's rugby team, I really supported my women's rugby. Did you see the finish of that? No.

You should have, it was amazing. They were down 12-5, seconds left, seconds. And then the ball, I don't know if the football, the foosball, whatever they, the rugby ball, there's probably a name for it. They were on the other side of the field and then there was like, and then someone broke away and ran all the way through like to the other end

at the very last second and won and they won the bronze medal. Remember when Auburn did that to win the national championship? It was very much like that. It was like, Auburn's gonna win the football game. Yeah, it was like a last second miracle play for the bronze medal.

And then like the Australian women's, like you felt bad, cause it's like they were crying, just bawling their eyes out while the women were just like cheering and celebrate the US women rather. Very cool. Congratulations, you asked for killing it.

Were you watching Pummel Horse? No, but I did see that guy who's everyone loves because he's like meditated for four hours and then dominated on the Pummel Horse. No, but I did see that guy who everyone loves because he's meditated for four hours and then dominated on the Pummel Horse. How do we know it was four hours? There was a camera on him for four hours? That's what they said. That's what the internet says.

The internet's never wrong. Never wrong, never, never, never, never. And y'all believe that. I will say there was an Olympian athlete, Gianmarco from Italy, who lost his wedding ring while waving the flag on the boats. Did you see that? I heard about it.

And then he posted on his Instagram to his wife basically saying, I'm sorry my love, I'm terribly sorry. You couldn't just call her? Why are we posting on Instagram? I guess not. Yeah, he posted that guy on Twitter. It was on Instagram, yeah.

But I'm curious, what would you do if one of you guys lost the ring? I wouldn't communicate that via social media. Through an Instagram to Natalie. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I would be crushed. It would be very sad.

I feel like I'd be more mad. If Natalie lost the ring or if you lost your own ring? If Natalie lost her ring. Yeah. I'm gonna like, mine's not worth as much, you know? The diamond. That'd be mad, but like. That's what I was also wondering.

I'm like, is it like a family heirloom? Is it something that like can't no not yours? And is yeah, that's what I'm saying that like Jean Marcos bring or whatever I was like I wonder if he's so concerned about it or wanting to show how concerned he is because maybe it is like A family heirloom or something that can't be readily replaced, but for the most part I'm like don't you guys put insurance on your rings? Probably should. No, well.

Nick, yeah. No, he keeps forgetting. Did y'all see that the triathlon was postponed because there's fecal matter in the sin? The river. The river, yeah. How do we say it? The sin.

The sin, yeah. Postponed? Why not canceled? Rescheduled, relocated. Honestly, I was shocked that the mayor actually got in the water to swim to begin with. I thought it was an actual impossibility for them to be able to filter the sun to the point that people could swim and not get some sort of bacterial disease. This was an issue they were criticized since they announced it. Why is it so dirty? I mean, are they just pumping raw sewage in?

I'm pretty positive it's like sewage. It just funnels into there. A lot of Parisian people won't swim in it. Like for generations are like, that's not clean, we know it's not clean. But then like the mayor made a point to swim in it herself. Cause they were doing, yeah, they were like clearing it out. Supposedly I was there in May,

I saw no attempts of like river being shut down for them to like clean it. And as I said, they constantly have river boat tours and people live off of boats on the Sun. Are there other bodies of water in the greater Paris area where they could compete? Well I'm like even there where they're doing rowing right now it's like a bit northern from like northern France but I'm like there are other bodies of water absolutely absolutely. But I did see them, they did start the shit. They did start it, so where did they go? What do you mean they started?

I saw videos of them jumping in and swimming. Are you talking about the mayor? Or are you talking about athletes? Athletes, yeah. So it wasn't postponed. Or it was postponed and now they're doing it. And now they've either found a new location or they felt like it was clean enough or.

I'm asking, has anybody heard from their mayor, like since she's down bad? She's down bad. She's an X-Men now, she's turned into a mutant. That I'm saying, like what is going on here? That sounds like the beginning of a comic book. They're still swimming in it. So like it was postponed, but then they went ahead,

it was like, you can go ahead and green light it. Oh, I'm okay. Yeah. Like, you're coming up with water and you're opening your mouth to get some air to come back down. Water is going in your mouth. How are we signing Olympic athletes up

to possibly get infections? There was a water test they did like a month ago that showed it was clear though. Oh, a month ago. Clear enough. Clear enough. A month ago though. Yeah. Well. So I guess they gave up by then. Are we rerouting sewage? Are we, I don't know. I'm so confused about the plans and how that works out, but I will be watching.

Did you see that Gen Z slang was officially added to the Cambridge dictionary? I did not see that. Why not Merriam-Webster? She's still thinking. She's marinating on that idea. She's like, I don't know about that one. My dictionary? Fuck that. But basically they added the ick, boop, if you know, you know,

face journey, chef's kiss, speed run, and side quest. Wait, wait, wait, why does Gen Z get credit for chef's kiss? There's that, I have a question. How are, I thought the whole thing about dictionaries is that it gives you the definition of a word, not a term. These are two words, face journey, chef's kiss, these are two words that you would define. I thought the whole thing about dictionaries is that it gives you the definition of a word, not a term. These are two words, face journey, chef's kiss. These are two words that you would define.

Yeah, this is giving urban dictionary. Urban dictionary. 1,000%. Again, back to like, I feel like chef's kiss has been around for a minute. 1,000%. Pass it. A movement in which you put your fingers

and thumb together, kiss them, then pull your hand away from your lips as a way of showing that you think that something or someone is perfect or excellent. Yeah, I'm sorry, Gen Z. So they're defining like the- That's not yours. No, it's the movement.

I'll give you ick. They're defining the verb of chef's kiss, like to chef's kiss, like the hand to the mouth and then like the- No, I get it, but like, I feel like that's what it always was. So when you put your fingers together and then you put them to your lips.

Yes. Yeah. Oh! Right, right. Chef your lips. Yes. Yeah. Oh! Right, right. Chef's kiss. Yes. But yeah, ick, for sure, you can have that.

What's the boop, boop, boop, bop? So boop is a gentle hit or touch on a person or animal's nose or head. It's what Leah did to Connor on Love Island. It's like a boop. Gen Z invented that too? Were you saying it in 1990? I feel like it's been done.

I feel like every parent's done it to their baby. For sure, yeah. But we weren't saying, oh, boop. You guys were just booping. Yeah. We named it. You're welcome. Meanwhile, new study finds that women need more sleep

than men because they use their brains more throughout the day. Thoughts? Anything you wanna say? Do you do sleep more? Say more. You guys are smarter than us, you know? Yeah.

Invisible labor, the behind the scenes conception that planning of tasks that keep the family and home afloat. Whatever it is, a woman's brain is working and they need approximately 20 more minutes of sleep because of it, according to a study from Lohenberg University, the Sleep Foundation reports that nearly half of all women

get less than the recommended seven hours of sleep per night due to stress, hormonal changes, caregiving, and more. Caregiving? AKA baby. That's why I wake up early in Feud River and let Nellie sleep in the morning. That's nice of you. 20 minutes. There you go. There's her 20 minutes.

She gets at least a half hour more. All I need is 20. I can't tell you the last time I got seven hours of sleep. What are you doing in the middle of the night? Not so much what I'm doing in the middle of the night. I'm just like typically five, six hours. What time are you in bed? It depends.

Sometimes 9.30, sometimes 10.30. I just wake up. You're like four in the morning? My body clock, when I wake up, I'm up. Like there's no like going back to sleep for me. My brain is like processing. I'm thinking the whole time. And if I think I wake up, I'm up. There's no going back to sleep for me. My brain is processing. I'm thinking the whole time. And if I think I fell asleep,

I'll look at the clock and spend 40 minutes. If you're usually going to bed around 10.30, and you say you're not usually getting seven hours, that means you're waking up around five-ish every morning? That sounds about right. I will say I wake up at 6.30, and I always see Sierra's post, and it's an hour ago. Yeah.

Good morning. You are up. 6.30 and I always see Sierra's post and it's like an hour ago. Yeah. And I'm like, girl. Good morning. You are up. Yeah. Damn. I feel like that's when you should get up. So that way you could like get your workout done for the day.

Come home, wake up River, feed River, take care of River. And then I'll get up. Oh, sure. Just throwing that idea out there. You can workshop it, yeah. We could, yeah, we'll converse. We'll go back and forth about it. Wait, did you guys see the TikTok viral video

of women with fake pregnancy bellies dancing, or sorry, clubbing? I've deleted my TikTok. Oh, good for you. Thank you. It's been such a mental cleanse, let me tell you. Has it? Yeah, I feel like everyone needs to go.

It's like, it was a crazy addiction. Like I would sit there and River would be beside me and I'd be like, it was so bad. And I was so, no, she's like, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom. Ignoring her. So yeah, so I deleted it a few months ago and it's been the best thing that's ever happened to me. But anyways, please keep me up to date.

I think you would enjoy this one. I also haven't been on TikTok in a minute, but once you know it's made it to Instagram, you know, okay, it's viral. It's viral, yeah. So I made it to Instagram and basically two girls two girls, like probably in their late 20s, put on fake bellies and went out clubbing and they were smoking cigarettes, taking shots, twerking, and they doubled down.

So when people were like, you shouldn't be doing this, like, are you pregnant? They're like, I am pregnant, but I'm taking prenatal, so it's okay. They were playing into the bit. They were playing into the bit. And what is the response? Are people like, that's so funny? Or are people like, literally fuck you? It's kind of fucked a little bit.

It's a little fucked, yeah. But it's both responses. You have the support that are like, this is so funny, and then there's people like, it's why? Well, because if you're out at a club and you see someone, presumably pregnant drinking, you almost feel like you should say something, but at the same time, you ask yourself,

is it any of our business or whatever? And then to end up all being bullshit is kind of like you're setting someone up to really make a scene. I mean, it's also, but it's also like if you see someone out pregnant drinking, smoking, whatever and like you go up to them and you tell them, hey, you shouldn't do that.

Like I feel like that's probably not the first and only time they've done that. So you telling them like, I guess maybe it'll help, but I also, they probably... That's why it's fucked. I will say the men in the video were twerking on the bellies. So you had women being like, you need to stop, and then the men. Maybe. Yeah.

I would assume so, yeah. Yeah. I'm like, I'm sure after like a couple of people coming up, you're like, it's a joke, but like, let's have fun. And they're filming it for the internet. And I'm like, people do way more nefarious things as jokes for a couple views on the internet. Truly.

Like Jack Taylor? It's fake. You think so? Gotta be. So for the audience, Jack Taylor is going to inpatient treatment for his mental health. My first reaction was, good for him.

Inpatient means that he's going to a facility. Yeah, he's there. Yeah. He's checked in. He's checked in. Itpatient means that he's going to a facility. Yeah, he's there. Yeah. He's checked in. He's checked in. It's not like going to therapy once a day. It depends. I'm like, I don't know if it's for a story line

or I'm like, how bad was filming this past season that you've actually had a moment of self-realization that maybe you do need to check on yourself. I hate even questioning it's authenticity, but we know they are filming the Valley right now. Yeah. And it's, we wouldn't put it past Jack's Taylor to make a storyline, do it for the bit.

Yeah. You know? Um, yeah, it's like, if we see this when the season comes out and there's cameras in this facility and he's being like. Interviewed by his therapist or whatever. It's like, do we, this is a storyline on the show. Then I question it's authentic cameras. And so I, I, yeah.

Yeah. So I, I hope it's like, as a fan, then I question it's authentic. Camera's inside of it. Yeah. Yeah, so I hope, it's like as a fan, do I- Hope he's getting help? Well, no, as a fan of the show, you know, I'm intrigued to see this part, but knowing, I don't know. I don't want it to be part of the show, because I feel like it will- How long has he been there, do we know? I don't know.

I think he just checked in. The story came out yesterday. I mean, he has already posted on his Instagram story with a caption saying, healing. This is around the same time. It's kind of giving. One of his reps said, he has made the decision to seek inpatient treatment.

This is a particularly sensitive time for him and his family. They asked for privacy and respect until he is ready to speak more on this topic. While he's posting on social saying, healing? I do think he posted that before he went though. So I think it was like he was having some crisis. He was reading some self-help books, he posted about it. And then spun out and then went to the patient.

I hope he's getting the help that he needs. Absolutely. Off camera. Yeah, if it's on camera. Because Jax is the queen of on-camera therapy. Yeah. But admitting to not really going to therapy on his own. And then having this be a major storyline.

You know, the same day he goes, it's press, you know. That's true. I just, I. Like you can hide that for a couple days. The same way that they hid the separation for months. Like that wasn't something Jax wanted to get out. I just struggled to believe anything that comes out of his mouth.

Yeah. So. But I hope, I hope he's getting out of his mouth. Yeah. So. But I hope he's getting the help he needs. Yeah, I have to see the actions speak louder than words. I have to see that he's there and he's working on himself and he comes out and he's learned and he's a changed man. I need to see all that before I believe in Root for Jax Taylor and friends.

I agree. Right now I feel like he needs to be held accountable to be a better husband and father and man and friend. It does make me wonder if they're filming the Valley, like does he just disappear the rest of the season? Like if it's genuine, like he needs help, like he must disappear, right? If he's genuinely going to inpatient therapy, that's intense.

You know, someone's really obviously struggling if that's what they require to get help. So it would make no sense for him to continue filming this show. Or come back next episode. You know what I'm saying? If it's that severe that requires him to go to this inpatient facility,

then he has no business being on the set of a reality TV show. The mental health toll it takes for anyone to go on reality TV, I don't care what the format is, it's intense. And you don't need to be a doctor or a therapist to, oh, you're struggling with your mental health? Yeah, so what do you talk about your day to day? Oh, I film a reality TV show. Well, you could stop that.

You know, like stop what? I hate questioning it, but as we, like we just, it's Jax Taylor, but. I feel like the only reason I am sitting here questioning it is because we just saw last season, him saying, I'm going to therapy, and Brittany being like, you've been fucking saying this, and like, you're not doing it.

Like, you don't take this serious, you don't mean it. This isn't who you are. Like, you're performing, you're doing this for the cameras. And I feel like if I hadn't have seen that, maybe I would feel a little bit more inclined to believe that this is genuine, but I don't know. It's just, I don't. Well, wishing them the best.

As Kayla Martin says, fuck. Fuck. Kayla Martin, no dummy, has filed for a patent, right? Trademark. Trademark. Same thing, right? Well, potato potato. Yeah. Trademark. Same thing, right? Well, potato, potato. Yeah.

Did she get the trademark? She has a trademark. She has a trademark for fuck. How do you spell fuck? F-A-W-K. F-A-W-K. It's a- Good for her.

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that was- Good for her. I'm very glad that she took that into her own hands and we're not seeing some random company selling her. Like the Vile Files? Sure, yeah. Nope.

Yeah, I'm glad we're not doing that. But no one else is doing it. That would have been absolutely good for her. Yeah. I mean, but she put the categories for everything. I can't imagine, I mean, she's, it's underwear, shoes, sports caps and hats, sweatshirts, t-shirts, beach footwear, sandals and beach shoes, sports jackets, track pants,

swimsuits, lingerie, beach cover-ups, footwear, namely, and flip-flops. I hope she makes a million dollars. I do too. Yeah. I do too. Yeah, he deserves it. Can I say, when I saw the word lingerie,

I didn't know this until like maybe a year ago. When you saw the word lingerie. I thought it was lingerie. Until like a year ago, and I realized, oh, that's the same word. Honey. I know. I mean, I'm not.

Like I thought there was lingerie and then like lingerie. What did you think lingerie was? Like the classy way to say lingerie. Like we can't spell lingerie on paper. So we have to say lingerie. That sounds like something I would do. Yeah. Yeah.

So I'm glad you read it right. Hell yeah. Yes, yes, next up that sound like something you would do. Patriot Parks, returning to Atlanta Housewives. Yay. I'm excited about that. Me too, she's so funny. It just makes sense that Kenya had to leave for her to come back.

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, and Candy. And Candy, right? Mostly Candy, I feel like. Mostly Candy, yeah. And she's quitting being the married medicine, which I feel like it was time. Is that show doing well? Married medicine? I feel like. Mostly Candy, yeah. And she's quitting being the Married to Medicine, which I feel like it was time. Yeah.

Is that show doing well? Married to Medicine, I hear, is a very underrated program. Yeah. Isn't it? It's been around for a minute, it has a following. I mean, she's rumored to be leaving because allegedly one of the castmates brought her ex to cast trip,

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Isn't it so good? We have to get into it. Heather needs new friends. Yeah. Heather is miscast. I said this last season, I was like, put her on Beverly Hills where she's surrounded by the same level of wealth. It's a disservice to Heather.

I can't on one episode watch her and her plastic surgery husband, Dr. DeBrow, remodel a house and just without blinking talk about the 30 to 40 million dollars it's going to cost. And on the very next episode, watch Heather sit around her poor friends who can't afford rent, who are being accused of being squatters.

It's crazy. And it seems like everyone on the cast of OC, like the cast of OC seems like a group of people who really wanna be rich, and they wanna appear rich. And some of them might be rich and there is certainly a ton of money in OC, but there's a lot of other people who present as rich.

And like they are really good at spending money, they also have as much debt as they have assets and things like that. Yeah, everyone's talking about failed businesses, you know, from- Husbands not working. Husbands not working, Tamara's talking about struggling with the, you know, at... Husband's not working. Husband's not working. Tamara's talking about struggling at the gym,

and then you have Gina struggling, and I don't know what's going on with her boyfriend, that we can get into that. And then you have Heather sitting there being like, you know, kind of eating Chex Mix. She's thriving. Yeah, while her friends are like talking about like not being able to pay rent.

And I don't think Heather should pay these people's rent. But when you talk about having so much money, you kind of seem like a dick by not helping out your friends. And that's why I think, again, Heather just needs new friends. She's like, that's why you can't hang out with people and be close with people who are not on your level. Because otherwise, it just either,

either you're expected to pay for them, or you kinda seem like an out of touch, privileged, selfish person. Because if $40 million that you're just like, whatever with, you can't afford to help a friend out and pay their rent who's clearly struggling. And again, it's weird. I don't think she should have to pay for it,

but it's just like, why is she hanging out with these people? It makes no fucking sense. You're onto it. I want to see Heather be, I I wanna see her opulence. I wanna see her just like dripping in money. It's great, but I don't wanna see- Struggling. Not in contrast with somebody who's getting evicted.

Cause yeah, she's talking about not paying her rent and Heather's just like, I'm like, Heather, you need to help her out, but at the same time, does she? I don't, you know? Yeah. You are onto something. I think OC has lost the plot.

Yeah. Cause OC is the original Housewives.C. has lost the plot. Yeah. Because O.C. is the original Housewives. It was the first one to ever exist. And it was actual Housewives married to rich people living in a rich community. Now they're all divorced. Now they don't have money. And then Heather came in season seven

and now she's like, well, I have money. I'm still married, but O.C. So much money. And O.C.'s a really rich area, but they have the same people, but not the money. So they've lost the plot. You're 100% right. Heather was originally on, like everybody was keeping up with the Joneses. So it wasn't like

she was the outlier being more so rich than anybody else. It was like married to plastic surgeons, the whole nine. And now it's, yeah, it's a lot of single housewives or trying to figure it out. And that's why, to Sierra's point, people wanted to cross over to Beverly Hills because each franchise has their own reputation. Like, Salt Lake City isn't all about the money, it's more about the spoof of it, the characters. And Heather's money, so she deserves to be Beverly Hills. Even finding out that Heather and Sutton

are such close friends, I'm like, that makes sense. Sutton's making, what, 300,000 a month? Just off of alimony alone? Yeah. More than that. And she's got a clothing store and she's traveling, like you know what I mean, like those are your people. And yet I don't believe that you're friends with Emily.

Sorry. Katie's all upset because like Heather, you know, doesn't go out of her way to like make her feel welcome and warm and I'm just like, yeah, because like Heather's out of your league. Maybe she just didn't recognize you or know you. If I'm Heather and I have that much wealth and privilege and I would keep things close to my vest, you know?

I will say it's a slap in the face for people that act like they don't know you. Like if they met you more than once and then they like are in public and they like walk past, don't even say anything. One time I did a full on photo shoot with a girl and she like then like kind of blew up a little bit and like popped off and got a following

and started like dating some people in the scene. And I ran into her somewhere and I was like, oh my gosh, hi, how are you? And she was like, hi, my name is, and I was like, okay, okay, bye. I mean, we've all done that though. And I guess my point is, and it's, you're the problem.

I know I have. But that's the thing, it's just more like, it is rude. And like Heather, hanging out with this cast is constantly gonna set her up for failure. You know what I'm saying? She does seem out of touch. Like it's like you've got one person talking about eviction and then she's like, I couldn't find a referee shirt

that wasn't made out of synthetic fabric. Don't worry, I wore something underneath it so it doesn't touch my skin. Which I love, it's a great line, it's so good. That's Housewives. That's what I want to watch on Real Housewives. And it's, yeah. What is going on with Gina and Travis? Okay, so Travis has three children,

Gina has three children. They have been living together, according to last episode, for four years. And Gina just started in real estate last season. So I guess her real estate career is kicking off. She's making more money. Making more money. Travis has an ex who I don't know

if their divorce isn't fully settled or is constantly causing issues. So Gina on her up and up feels like she should be allowed to provide for her kids, take them on vacations, the whole thing. I don't think she's prepared to take Travis and his children as well. So to make herself feel better,

which is what she was saying, I'm selfish, or I'm choosing to be selfish, is that she wants to move out, or have him move out with his kids so that she can focus on her family and not so much on his. But I'm also kind of like, she's also saying that she's doing it for the kids

for more space and whatnot. And I'm like, I don't think that, that seems like kind of a cop out because at the end of the day. Which he called her out for. Yeah, if you're gonna be a blended family, you're gonna be a blended family, but. And she doesn't wanna break up. She doesn't wanna break up.

But she doesn't wanna separate the family. She doesn't wanna break up, but she doesn't wanna be under the same roof while he's handling his stuff. She doesn't want to be the mother to his children, I think. I mean. And that's inherent. Or like subconscious. Yeah, like if she's making this money, she's like, I don't wanna spend this on his children, I think. I mean- And that's inherent, or like subconscious. Yeah, like if she's making this money,

she's like, I don't want to spend this on his kids. I want to spend this on my kids. On a vacation for six kids and two adults. Which is totally valid, but also like if this is your partner- Just opt in or opt out. It's also- Yeah. It's for better or for worse kind of situation to me

where I'm like, you're saying that your partner isn't in a good place right now, so it's easier for you guys to separate, but we're still gonna be in a relationship, but I'm just gonna spend my money and do things separately outside of you. I'm also like, how do you think that's gonna make the kids feel when this is all recorded

and they can see why you chose to leave and then be like, maybe one day when your dad gets his stuff together, we can all move back together and be a happy family and go on vacation, because I'm not the one paying for it, is what it comes off as. She wants him to make more money.

She wants him to make more money. She wants him to handle whatever his divorce situation is with the ex, which is apparently causing issues. I don't know what that actually means, but it seems like it's all monetary, in my opinion. What is the lowest salary of a housewife? Do we know?

I would assume 200,000. 200,000. Around that. For a starting season? I don't, I feel like that's even a lot. You think that's a lot for a- Definitely a lot. Yeah, I was like-

I don't know. I mean, I don't know what they get away with from like adults, like housewives versus like Vanderpump rules, but I- Jen has not, she doesn't, I think she's a partner to aWives versus like Vanderpump Rules. But I didn't. Jen has not, she doesn't, I think she's a partner to a yoga studio. And her, that's it.

And she's been on the show for a season. What does a five-star yoga studio mean? We're a five-star yoga studio. But our social media sucks. Do you know how hard it was for me to find their social media? It was so hard, I could go. But is this a self-proclaimed five-star yoga studio? Yeah, maybe they have some, yeah, maybe there's ratings.

I will say the lowest salary I've seen is in like the 200,000s. So we don't know specifically who the lowest or what the lowest is. Is it like a thing for Bravo to make their talent appear poorer than they are? It's kind of bizarre. Usually it's the other way around, like the Jen Shaw's.

Yeah, it's like Helen Shaw, yeah. But like a lot of the, I don't know. I do think the definition of a real housewife is like redefining. So I think like they're moving less away from like, you need to be really rich and more about like- Characters. Characters, yeah. So there's that part of it.

I want real rich though. Yeah. Well, I want them to be real rich and be character. I mean, I think that comes with being real rich because you have this sense of like, you don't know how to act because you have so much money you've never had to like be normal or struggle for anything. But like, yeah, I think that coincides,

but like this, it's definitely interesting to see like Jen and Gina just talk about not having anything. Yeah. But I totally see, I mean, hell, Jen being like, I married young, he took care of everything. No credit card. I've never had a credit card in my name. I know so many people who went down that path

where you get married young, you just like, the man steps in, he's got the job, he takes care of everything, you're, you know, you're bare children, you take care of the children, you don't handle finances, there's no communication between finances, you're not a teammate, you're not partners, you just like, he takes care of one thing, you take care of another, and then you divorce,

and you're like, holy fuck, what is this world? And I've seen that happen to so many people, and so like I feel for Jen, I can't imagine like what she's going through right now. I wish she would go and get a job maybe anywhere. She has one, she's a housewife. It is kind of weird that they pretend that they're not making money.

Well, and also she's kind of going back into the same thing with Brian. Cause now Brian's the breadwinner who has all of the money. And he was even, what did he say? He was like, you can take my car and I'll just get myself a new one. He took on her, what, $24,000 debt?

Then again, though, his money is like a mystery. Yeah, she said he doesn't work. He seems to be a thing in Orange County. She said he doesn't have a job, and he doesn't work either. So where is his money coming from? He does have a job, and I said that I was going to look into this more so I did not. Well she said that he works in the sunshine.

No, but I mean like I know that he handles large sums of money. I don't know what he does, if he's investing it. I don't know because I know he got in trouble because he's also a gambler as well. So I don't really know. He could have like maybe just like hit a major jackpot in Vegas and was like cool, retired. I don't know but. When could have maybe just hit it major jackpot in Vegas and was like, cool, retired. I don't know, but. When it sounds like Jen will have money soon through her island money divorce, that's her issue, right?

I do think that that cleared, yeah. Anyway, it is sometimes hard for me to buy into the I'm poor storyline with some of these housewives, because it's always like, oh, wait, how much is Rambo paying you? Yes, listen, you can make $300,000 a year and be broke as fuck if you don't know

how to manage your money. And if you're trying to compete with the Heather bros of the world, it's pretty easy to go broke. So that is entirely possible, but I don't know. When she was talking about not being able for to rent, I just wanted Heather just to kind of look at her and go, it sucks. I knew she wasn't gonna say that.

Or if Heather just like gave her a check for like. Here's just one month, you're a good friend. Just like a hundred thousand dollar check. I was like, don't worry about it. Seems like lunch for her. Yeah. Her like catered like no-boo dinners that nobody gets to eat at.

Why were they playing flag football? I don't understand. Like, is that just something I- Give them something to do. I think people they playing flag football? I don't understand. Like, is that just something I guess? Give them something to do. I think people love to see a housewife doing something dirty. Like, way out of their like,

They definitely edited it to make it seem like. They were tackling. Yeah, and like throwing 50 yard passes because they would toss it and then to be a separate shot and then they would catch it. No, there was one shot. It was clever editing. There was one shot that they did make the pass.

And I thought to myself, I can never do that. It seemed like clever editing actually. Okay, maybe. You know thought to myself, I could never do that. I'd seem like clever editing actually. Okay, maybe. You know better than me, so. The more I watch OC, the more I'm Team Shannon. Yes, I was just gonna say, Alexis drove me nuts this episode.

She wants to be Shannon. The dog? Getting the dog is so weird. It's so creepy. That's crazy. Like that's, yeah, two steps too far. The trainer. The trainer, like all of that stuff where I'm like,

I get it, Jim took you to the gym, whatever. The dog. That's bizarre. And even then how she was acting, it just reminded me so much of just like mean girls in high school kind of thing, where like fake friends where it's like, just so you know, we have sex five times a day,

just so you know, like Jim, my guy. And it's like why, you don't have to talk about it right now, but you're choosing to, because you wanna make her feel some type of way. And that to me is just gross. I'm really loving Shannon. I know she's an imperfect person, but we all are. And she really seems like she's doing her best

to just figure it out. Yeah, why is Tamra being such a bitch to Shannon? Every season, every season Tamra's like she's a bitch to somebody. I remember, like that was last week but she called her like a bad person. They were best friends like since the start because they're OGs but then they were Trace Amigos

so they had a podcast together and then that was a whole thing. And then like Tamra's now alleging that like at Trace Amigos like events, Shannon was like pouring drinks into her drinks, like alcohol into her drinks. So she's just, Tamra's just like a, what is the word, like fake friend?

Yeah, Tamra brought Jen on last season to throw her under the bus and say she doesn't have money and that she's pretending to be rich. And it's like, why'd you bring her on here? Like tore apart her relationship with Ryan. And it's like that, you brought her on as your friend. She seems to be team Alexis, which immediately I'm like, hmm, weird.

Tamra's also a good soundbite. So I feel like Tamra will say whatever to like make the show. No, no, Tamra's a great housewife. Yeah, for sure. She's entertaining, for sure. Tamra's at least a soundbite. So I feel like Tamera will say whatever to make the show. No, no, Tamera's a great housewife. Yeah, for sure. Good entertaining, for sure. Tamera's Elisa Renna of OC. Yeah.

We're like, she's like the soap opera. I'm going to burn the bridges to make the story, but then hurt my friends in the process. I hate this person in the beginning of the season. By the end of the season, they're my best friends. Best friends, yeah. Also, in Shannon's defense, Sierra and I saw the papers that she was served.

And Alexis is named on it as an interested party. So Shannon did not lie and not need to find the door. We don't know that she was on the initial paper that served her, but she was listed in the court case. I feel like you owe her an apology, Alexis. Sorry. How common are boudoir shoots still today? They must be common.

I know it was a thing that you did before you got married and it was like a wedding gift to your husband. It was like this photo album of sexy photos. I don't, I mean I did not do that for Nick. I'm sorry, I don't know if you were hoping for one. Oh no, they charged thousands of dollars for those two. Yeah.

Plenty of your nudes, it's great. But that's what I was gonna say too is like I've never understood the concept of it because I'm like at the end of the day, you sleep with this person, they see you naked on a regular, why would they need a book of you in lingerie to be like, oh, thank God I got it.

Yeah, she's out of town, I got this. And do you think they pull out the like photo album instead of like pornhub? Well, I just- Genuine question. As the lone straight man in this room. Yeah, please tell. Yeah, I don't like, you do the photo shoot.

It's always like, who took all these? You know, it's always like- And also like, could you like wear that outfit tonight? And you're like, oh no baby, that was at the studio. Yeah. I don't like that. I just put on like- 20 other women were wearing that.

Put on the lingerie, take a selfie and send it to me like I want Also reality the reality like then send the nude, you know or send the lingerie I don't need a photo shoot that like clearly like required like glam that's In a book that's what I was correct me if I'm wrong, but like yeah like a photo Through the coffee. Oh same off a different pose. Okay, here's my wife We spent 1650 on this book. So please look at, different pose, okay. Here's my wife. We spent 16.50 on this book, so please look at my wife in lingerie. It's next to the Vogue.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but like a JCPenney's like sexy photo shoot isn't a turn on. No. Exactly. JCPenney's sexy photo shoot. Like that's what I get when I, like her boudoir shoots was like,

it was like JCPenney's, right? Yeah, it was like a catalog shoot for like skims. Yeah. Put on the lingerie, ladies, put on the lingerie, go out to lunch with your friends, excuse yourself, go to the bathroom, go into the mirror, take a selfie, open up the blouse a little bit, send it to your husband, he's at work, he'll love that.

That's all you need to do. You don't need the whole photo shoot. Like, make it seem- Who has time for this? Literally. Or just put it on in the bath. Also, we're wearing lingerie to lunch, ouch. Ouch. Ouch.

And you're wondering why we don't get seven hours of sleep a night. Literally. You don't have to wear it to lunch. I'm just saying. My coochie's being cut in half while I'm trying to eat a chopped antipasti salad. Underwear's fine.

I'm gonna shut the fuck up. Lingerie to lunch should be hot though. I stand by that one. I am just saying, you don't need to do the photo shoot. Just take the selfie, pop out a titty. You know what I'm saying? Like just. No, for sure.

That's all we need. That is so much less work and so much more affordable than a whole boudoir shoot. That just ended me. I'm trying to eat my salad and I'm like, ouch. Hold on, a lip is just out and like running on my jeans. A wire. Yeah, yeah.

Oh my God. No, but, and then, and then we see Sean drinks a God damn Big Gulp every day. That's crazy. He gets up and he goes to 7-Eleven every single day and gets a Big Gulp of Diet Coke. Baby, you know what's crazier? What? That's like America.

Yeah, yeah, you're right. 7-Eleven purists are not something to be fucked with. I do love a Big Gulp. I will say a fountain drink on ice, a Diet Coke on ice, big cup, long straw. But the amount of people drinking a gallon of soda every day. No, it's great for a road trip,

but you're going out of your house to go and get that and then come home? I just- Is that not like the epitome of rich? It's like to get a big gulp. No, it's the epitome of America. But like you have the money to buy a La Croix, but you're getting a big gulp.

I'm kind of with you, that's what I was thinking. Lisa Barlow does this too, where she only drinks big gulps. She only eats Wendy's. It's a weird flex, but I was like, this is how rich people stay rich the same way that you guys are like, maybe... Cathy Hilton does it. She buys her clothing from gas stations.

It's like this weird... Yeah, it's this weird, this is why the rich stay rich. Because they're cheap in all of the areas that most people that want to be rich would never be. Yeah. They're like, we don't need designer clothes. I get my clothes from Costco, but you know who can charter a private jet? Me.

Shit, that's so true. The secrets of the rich. That's crazy. I'm really enjoying this season. I've really given up on Jersey. Yeah. I will say it is confusing. The internet is confused right now

that Bravo announced that there was 12 episodes or that there was three more left. But that would have been this past week and we still have a finale coming. It's like nobody truly knows how many episodes are left or what's happening. I'm ready to give Dubai a shot. You need to do it. If you want rich rich, Dubai is rich.

I know I've said it before, but this is worldly international money. But what are the fights like? Are we throwing drinks on people? Here's the thing. So in Dubai, there's laws where you can't act crazy in public and like curse and stuff. Like they're shady.

Like the way they know, but the way they fight each other is like. Through wit. Like wit. So it's really funny way they fight each other is like. Through wit. Like wit. So like it's really funny to watch. Okay. I'm here for that. I love like a quick comeback.

You haven't seen? Do I? I'm shocked. I just started it, but yeah, no, I'm typically a domestic with my housewives. Domestic. Yeah. I don't like to leave the US with my housewives.

You're not international. I barely leave the western area of America. Also there's this thing where like if you notice housewives will test out different cities on Peacock first and if they do well they make it to like live stream to like cable. So Dubai was on Peacock first season but it was so big that they moved it over. What do you think is the most out of touch community in Housewives universe? Orange County, Salt Lake City, or Jersey? Out of the three?

Yeah. Define out of touch. Yeah. I was like, Jersey's very true to Jersey. I will say that. And I know that we're not like going into it, but I'm like the sending, yeah, the sending the like funeral flowers.

Did you see this? No. So Margaret sent funeral flowers to Teresa's house being like, sorry for your- The loss of your dignity? The loss of your dignity. Oh! Like it's insane.

It's so epic. She ain't. And it's when Teresa invited all of the wives, except for her, to like a hearing with her lawyer to be like Margaret was talking to Louis' ex. Yeah, and during that time, she knew exactly what time this was going down and had them send a huge funeral arrangement

that said, sorry for the loss of your dignity. Was Teresa like, oh my God, these are beautiful. She didn't read it, she read sorry for the dignity and was like, send it back, I don't want it. Threw it pretty much in the floor of man's face, like was like, nope, tell them I don't want it, like the whole thing, so. I was like, it's shady.

But that is very on theme for New Jersey. Yeah, also this episode, there was a man who had an allergic, Fuda, I was like, it's shady. But that is very on theme for New Jersey. Yeah. So you're right. Also, this episode, there is a man who had an allergic, uh, Fuda, John Fuda had an allergic reaction to shellfish, I believe. His face starts swelling up. This is the most Italian thing I've ever seen, where he was like, I don't need a doctor.

I'm fine. Just put splash some water on it. And like, one of the husbands was like, freaking out, being like, you need to call an ambulance. You need to get this checked out. And he was having a cancer scare right now. And then Joe Gorga pulls out his dick and starts peeing in the bathroom while he's like, red and like, you need to call an ambulance. You need to get this checked out. And who's having a cancer scare right now. And then Joe Gorga pulls out his dick

and starts peeing in the bathroom while he's red and dying. The drug dealer? Yeah, and then they call the ambulance, the ambulance comes and he's refusing to see them for the ambulance to be like, yeah, you need some ibuprofen and I think you'll be okay, but we'll come back if you need anything.

But he was like, I'm Italian, I don't need it. I don't need it, do you love that? I think that's with Jersey, there's a lot of culture in the show that I'm not, I don't need, I don't need, do you look that? I think that's like with Jersey, like there's a lot of culture in the show that I'm not familiar with. And so it's fascinating and I see it differently than like Orange County, it just seems like a bunch of white people who I feel like

I have absolutely nothing in common with. Where it's just more like these people are so fucking out of touch. It's like maybe I could say, you know. I agree with that. I would say Orange County too, outside of, because Beverly Hills I feel like just fits the zip code as well. Yeah, right, it's more like, oh, yeah, there's a reason.

Their drama's like, you started to remodel my million dollar house without asking me. I'm like, okay, that's what I would expect for Beverly Hills drama. Out of the rest of the franchise, I think like New York would be out of touch. Because that's where you have like Sonja Morgan, who was like putting an elevator in her house, you know?

Yeah. Like things like that. Or like, everybody's in a penthouse. There's something about Orange County where it's just like, it's like a community of like, again, it's just like, it seems like a lot of wannabe rich people. It's because they're all divorced.

That's why they lost the plot where they were all rich with their husbands, but now they are all waiting on their alimony and can't afford whatever bills they have. Well, and it's also like Orange County as a whole is so huge because like, mind you, I'm like, you've got Anaheim, that's where Disneyland is. Like it's like Mission Viejo, and then you've got Newport and like Laguna.

So I'm like, we don't know where these people actually live in the proximity of Orange County. Like we don't know if they're like, if one's in Mission Viejo and the other one's in Newport. Sierra has a point because the original concept was they lived in a specific gated community. Like a really expensive one, I don't remember the name, but imagine Bel Air, but like on Croc in Orange County.

So like none of them live there, none of them can afford to live there. So it's like, it's not even the original OC. Damn. Damn. Who should we get from OC on? Shannon. Shannon. I want Shannon. Oh, duh. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Shannon. No. Damn. Who should we get from OC on? Shannon. Oh, Shannon.

I want Shannon. Oh, duh. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Shannon. No questions asked. Shannon Bedore. I would love Heather Dubrow, but I- We've had Heather on last season.

I was here. It was before you, yeah. We can bring her back. We can bring her back. Yeah, she's great. She was great. Heather was fantastic. Yeah, I can be like, why aren't you in Beverly Hills?

We asked her when. Did anyone notice our new rug? I did. I hope they did. On YouTube? Yeah, like, why aren't you in Beverly Hills? Did anyone notice our new rug? I did. I hope they did. On YouTube? Yeah, like do we get any comments? I'm no longer trippin'. I haven't seen comments.

I don't read the comments. It's one of those things where they take it for granted. Like they see the messy, but now it looks clean and they're like, oh, I don't notice the mess. That's so true. Yeah. Oh my God. It's like our house.

All right, well it's time to get to Jen. Excited to talk with her. We have a lot of questions for her about like, how many dates does she have planned with this guy who's showing up for the season? What weddings was she supposed to go to? Does she even like any of these men? Lots of burning questions.

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and be ready to stay cool and dry. Jen. Hey. Welcome to the Valfiles. Thank you for having me. How are you? I'm great. How are you guys? We're fantastic. I'm Welcome to the Vilephiles. Thank you for having me. How are you? I'm great, how are you guys? Fantastic.

We're so good. I'm excited to be here. We're very excited to have you. Crazy episode this week. Very crazy episode. I wasn't expecting so much all in one episode, to be honest. Oh, and neither were we.

That might've been the most unhinged episode of the best route I've remember watching. You think so? I was crying laughing. And also just feeling like what is going on here? Oh gosh. It was a kaleidoscope of emotions. It was like a cringe laugh.

I was like, I couldn't believe what I was seeing. Honestly, I couldn't believe it either. Right? Like you're watching, you're seeing things for the first time. Oh yeah. It's been very revealing watching things back. Oh, I'm sure. And very, it's interesting.

Every time I see myself on TV, I think that's my evil twin and that's not me. And then we move past it. So. Wait, is there something about yourself that you're not enjoying watching? I have been really enjoying you as the best friend. Thank you.

I appreciate that. I think some of the decisions or maybe some of the things I'm letting slide by, and I think I realize how much of a people pleaser I am watching it back. And so that's a little, it's hard to see that sometimes. Yeah. How has the experience overall been?

Are we still like really glad we said yes to being the best, Rhett? Have there been moments of like, I can't believe I'm doing this? No, I never really have regrets about anything. I really think everything is a lesson to be learned. And even like if I made mistakes or I'm unhappy with a decision that I made,

I think it's nice to be able to be aware of that and learn from it. So I don't have any regrets, no. Yeah. What has been the hardest thing to watch back about yourself? Like I said, some of the decisions that I made in letting certain things slide by. Okay.

Anything specific you wanna address or? I don't know yet. We have specific questions. Okay, you can ask me specific questions later. I just think, I think I'm a very, um... I just, I want to make other people happy at all times. I think I'm realizing that, watching it back, that maybe that's like the best emotion

to be portraying at the time. And then I'm like, okay, I should have just let my smiley guard down and just like, actually show how I was feeling kind of thing. Is there, what are moments where you felt like you were feeling one way and you presented another to the men? Definitely on top of that building

on this episode jumping off, like you could see I'm like trying to make a joke out of it, but I am also like extremely uncomfortable up there. And I wish I had just like let my guard down and just like sobbed. I mean, I know eventually that I did, but I think at first I was like, okay, there's cameras around.

I'm just gonna try as much as I can to just be calm and smiley and make a joke of it. But I was so, I wanted to crawl out of my skin up there. Your discomfort up there seemed obvious to us. Okay, okay. Yeah, I feel like all of Batra Nation felt your discomfort. I feel like all of Batr nation felt your discomfort. I feel like the only one who didn't pick up

on your discomfort was Sam M. He does seem to be someone, and this is like the second week in a row where he wasn't seemingly picking up on your cues, which is well, kind of alarming sometimes. Last week, it was like he was really physical and kind of like almost jumping on top of you. And like, yeah, you guys have physical chemistry,

but it was almost like, bro. Like, was that as uncomfortable for you in that moment? Yes. As it was for, did it seem like? Yeah, see, that was another moment in which I was like, why are you smiling? Like, you're obviously so uncomfortable. Like, and I think I like to just make things seem

like they're not as bad. And I mean, it wasn't like, I think in the moment I was just a little like, okay, this is not the time and the place right now to be doing this. That's also so relatable though. Like I feel like all of us as women relate to feeling like, I don't want to embarrass him or I don't, you know, like this guy's asked me for my number. I don't want it like in front of his friends. I don't want to embarrass him or I don't, you know, like this guy's asked me for my number.

I don't want it like in front of his friends. I don't want to say no, I'll just like give it to him, I guess, but you don't want to. So it's like, I am like so proud of you for eventually being like, I know it took you a moment to get there, but to eventually be like, what are you doing? Like, stop. Yeah. I was like, not the time and place, but what we're doing right now. Yeah.

But also like, yeah, I feel like you're almost being too hard on yourself because again, like your discomfort felt obvious and it's like, it's people's job to pick up on cues. Like he put you in a position to have to actually be like, what are you doing? You know, like, and almost forced you to do another uncomfortable thing, which is to call him out when you were trying to politely say, hey, you know, like give him the cues.

And he just was refusing to pick up on that. Yeah, that is true. I mean, I feel like I'm always such like, I'm my harshest critic, right? Like watching things back, I'm always gonna be like, oh, I wish that I had been more blank about this and that. So like, yeah, I get that. I think the only thing we're really upset with you about.

Oh, you're upset with me. All right. Okay, this is news get that. I think the only thing we're really upset with you about. Oh, you're upset with me. All right. Okay, this is news to me. What's going on? This is like, as a former lead, I understand this is an irritating question. Okay. But why'd you send Brett home?

Oh. Because. We interviewed him. We talked to him. I didn't see that. And I was, you know, I had low expectations, but then I was like, it's not adding up. I don't understand. Like, I don't expect her to marry the guy, but like I was like, it's not adding up, I don't understand.

I don't expect her to marry the guy, but you couldn't keep this guy around for a couple weeks? Or he stood out. But then what good is that gonna do for him if I keep him around knowing that? So you really hated him. No, I never hated him. I know, I think he's an amazing guy.

I think he's so funny and sweet and charming. I just, in that moment felt like there wasn't a connection off the bat. And unfortunately, I just don't think does anybody any good to just keep them around for the sake of a show. Because for me, it wasn't a show, it was my life. No, I understand.

But like, I don't feel like you have connections with Thomas or Jeremy or Sam and Spencer. Jeremy, Jeremy. Jeremy, Jeremy and Spencer. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy.

Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy.

Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy.

Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. where he maybe was quiet or awkward and didn't show his full personality and then America will love him and he is gonna thrive and be so fun. I'm so happy he's getting the love that he deserves. So, so happy.

I don't know how much you can answer this question. Oh, gosh. But I feel like we hate a lot of your men. Oh. Oh. Well, tell me how you really feel about it. Some of them are just, and it's like obviously the stuff you don't see, right?

Right. Like in the moment. It's all the stuff that just we're watching. Fair. Yeah, what about their behavior has surprised you? I didn't realize how catty they were. Yeah. To be honest, I had no idea any of those scenes

were going on like with the cocktail party, I didn't know. Any of them were just being so aggressive and shouting and like all this fighting. I had no idea which I'm mad about. I'm like, let me listen in. Like let me be a fly on the wall. But yeah, I mean, I'm surprised to see how passionate they all were.

Yeah. At this stage of the season, if you could go back in your memory, like who is your strongest connection? At this stage, I'd probably say Devin after that one-on-one date. Okay, you love Devin. We've been really enjoying him.

Anyone else? And I ask this because I'm having a hard time seeing, like I feel for you, you know, as like, you know, like you said, it's your life. I know what it's like to go in those shoes. You're trusting a lot of people to select, you know, 25, how many men do you have, 30? 25.

Well, why do you hate my men? Just seem like they are undeserving of you. That's very nice. Yeah. That's very nice. Is there something specific? Like, well. Is there something, I don't know.

Tell me. You know that. You don't know. Maybe Jonathan, you and Jonathan seem really cute. I really, I like you and Jonathan. I'm just having a hard time seeing any connection worth your time. And I feel like it's mostly their fault,

or all of their fault. As long as it's not my fault, I'm happy. No. You didn't pick the guys. No, we love Devin Marcus, Jonathan. I think we're struggling a little with Thomas. Did you notice his way of pulling people to talk to them? Yeah.

It's very interesting. He just goes, hey, let's talk. I'm like, whoa. It's very like grabs the arm. I know. Thank God he wasn't doing that to me. I'm like, what are you doing grabbing me for? What are you doing?

It's very interesting. It makes me think too. I'm like, what are you grabbing me for? What are you doing? Well, that's very interesting. Makes me think too, I'm like, was there anybody that you've been watching what's happening behind your back, was there anybody that you were surprised by their behavior, being like, they're not this way with me, but they are this way with all of the guys in the house?

I mean, I think it's very clear cut. Sam M is very different with the guys than he is with me. So very shocked to see that behavior, yeah. What about Sam M has caused you to explore that relationship up into this point that we're seeing in the season? And then obviously we talked about his lack of reading cues. Is that something we might keep seeing from him as the season goes on?

And do you regret giving him more time, given his lack of ability to pick up on some of these cues that seem important to you? I will say that at the point where we are in the season, I think I just have so much hope for the connection because he was my first impression Rose and I kind of had just like this gut feeling. So I think at that point, like I wanted to prove myself right.

Like I wanted to be like, I picked this guy for the first impression rose for a reason. And so, yeah, I mean, I did give him a couple of chances to prove that to me. You definitely did. Yeah. You really did. The way that he told the waiter like,, no, and we're going to jump.

My jaw was on the floor. I was like, ah! This isn't like trying new food. This is like jumping out of a building. We all know this show can be edited. Sometimes we lose context, but did he come across as aggressive in real time as it did on the show? I will say in that moment,

it was exactly how it was portrayed. And I see this is one of those things where like, I look back and I reflect on like, why didn't I take that as harshly as like other people have taken it? And I think it's because my whole life, I haven't had that like empathetic person come out and like, not coddle me, but like,

but check on me and have that nurturing feeling. So when a partner does it, it feels familiar. It's like, okay, this is kind of what happens in my everyday life. And I remember actually thinking in that moment, like this is how my brother would act, but that's okay, because that's my brother. That's not my partner.

So it's funny thinking back now. It's like I let it slide so easily because I was like, this is such a familiar feeling. I would never get someone to nurture me in that moment when that is what I want in a relationship though. So yeah, that's kind of where my head kind of was at then. It didn't catch you as off guard as it caught the rest of us.

Yes, yes, yes. That makes sense. Yes. Yes. That makes sense. Yeah. I'm trying to figure out what more questions you can ask about Sam M that you can answer. Cause I know you can't really give anything away. Is there anything you want to say in his defense?

If there was anything to defend, you know, cause I feel like he's out there blaming the edit or, or, you know, saying he's feels misrepresented. Now's your time. For all the people who can't stand Sam M and feel like we're waiting for him to go home, do you wanna say anything? All I'm gonna say is I don't think anybody can edit you

in a certain way that you're not already. No one's gonna put words in your mouth. Those are your own and you gotta take responsibility for that and that's all I'll say. Period. How do you feel about him continuously saying, let's keep keeping the main thing the main thing. And I'm assuming you are the main thing.

Or Thomas saying the same thing. Did they say that to me? Whoa, they're better. Are they currently dating? Cause they seem like. Yeah, oh gosh Oh, gosh. Um, you know, I don't think I picked up on it as much because I think most of the times when you see it on the show,

it's like in an interview or with the boys and not as much with me. So they didn't say that in front of you? Maybe once or twice, but not nearly as much as I was seeing it. I was like, what? Is this a tagline? What is this? Did you trademark this? Yeah, I was like, what is this a tagline? What is this? Did you trademark this? Yeah, I was like, what is going on? They're like winking at the camera.

Is this your brand? Yeah, very confused about that one. Did you notice him almost stumbling out the door drunk when he left after it was last episode? When Sam and came in too, and it was like, oh great, the two people that are fighting over me that I don't know. Well, first of all, I didn't know that they were fighting,

right, because I wasn't seeing that. So in the moment, like when I remember it, I just remember Thomas being, he seemed to upset, like very upset and I thought, oh, like he's just upset because his time's taken, like cut short, but he was really upset because he also didn't like Sam and at the time when I didn't realize. So it's funny piecing things back together when I watch back now. You've also had multiple moments thus far where you have two men kind of getting aggressive with

each other in front of you, like whether it's to like steal time for one-on-ones or whatever. How did, like what's going through your mind when that's happening? Because it makes me so uncomfortable. Really? I'm going to let the boys figure it out for themselves. I'm just not the type of person that's going to sit there and teach somebody how to act in a situation of conflict.

And I think it's very telling how long the boys are going to keep it going on for. So to me, I liked being a fly on the wall, watching these conversations happen, watching the uncomfortable happen, and seeing how well they resolve conflict for themselves. I'm not your mom. I'm not here to do that for you.

Yeah, it's your grown men, figure it out. Yeah. Well, a couple of weeks ago, forgot what happened, but you approached the men and kind of called them out for some of their behavior. And then later in the episode, a couple times, we saw you, I think, won USM. And a couple times.

Was it after Aaron dropped his bomb and said, what did he say? Some people aren't here for the right reason. I know, but then it was like, can you, no, and then you were like, well, can you tell me who? And he was like, you can figure it out or something. It was like, you're giving me a job? I have so many things about that.

So many things about that. Here's the thing. I was so happy for Aaron to go and pursue his dreams. I was like, great, you should go do that. And I have no hard feelings. But then when he was like, oh, I have something to tell you, and he didn't just fully tell me who it was, it was like, then in that moment,

you're doing it for your own reasons. Like that felt selfish for me, because you're putting a damper on my journey for what reason? Because if you truly thought that I could figure it out for myself, then you would have just let me figure it out for myself. You wouldn't have to tell me a thing, right?

So it felt very selfish in the moment. And then it just made me angry, because then I had to address it, and it didn't need that, it didn't need to be like that. He could have just left, and I would have been so happy for him. And I've never seen a Bachelorette have to ask the guys,

what'd you think of my speech? It came across as you felt like they didn't hear you, like they didn't really acknowledge what you said, as though most of it was like, I think that's kind of the frustration of watching some of these guys. It's like this episode was so unhinged, but I can't tell if any of them

are really taking this seriously. If they're, or they're just like, Sam N seems like he's watched 50 seasons of The Bachelorette and he's just here like doing his- He missed the episode of how to like comfort when the bachelorette's scared. Yeah, he missed that one. He skipped that episode.

Yeah, but it's as if they aren't like acknowledging or hearing what you're saying. Was that your reason for asking these guys if they heard what they thought of your speech because no one really seemed to give a crap about what you had to say? I don't think that was the case with everybody. I think there were a lot that did hear what I had to say

and took things very, very seriously. But yeah, there were a couple that I think were so confident in the connection that felt like it didn't need to be addressed and they didn't need to reassure me, which was yeah, definitely a little bit alarming because it's like, why wouldn't you want to reassure me in that moment? Nick, I felt like cracked the code

when we talked about this episode on Reality Recap a few weeks ago, whenever Aaron dropped his bomb. And it was him saying, there are guys here that I don't think are ready for this while he is leaving for a job, AKA not ready for this. Yeah, there was also that. It's like I'm happy for you, but like, But like why?

Why did you show up if you have to like move for a career? Like if this was the real world, and he was in a relationship, he would have been like, hey, I'm not ready to date right now. I have to give my entire life to, you know, becoming an Air Force pilot, which is an amazing dream. Yeah, yeah. But it's kind of pilot, which is an amazing dream. But it's kind of like,

is this a very pot calling cuddle black? And I'm not sure what was wrong with, like is it Devin's sense of humor that makes him not ready? Or I'm not sure what Erin was talking about. I will say in that moment, like I don't know how the Air Force works and like maybe he just didn't know and I'm okay with that. And like, I'm so happy that he got that opportunity

and that doesn't bother me. But yeah, I mean, I definitely knew who he was thinking of because the episode before that, him, Aaron and Devin were having like a little spat about pulling me. So like, I knew he was thinking of him, right? I just wanted him to grow the balls and just tell me and just say it.

Did you have any problem with how Devin's approached pursuing you in the first four weeks? No, I didn't. I mean, that's the premise of the show, right? Is to get as much time as you can and to show that you're here to make an effort and to show that you care. So I didn't have a problem with it.

Yeah. Sam N. Yeah. Jen's husband. My husband. I still have that jersey. I don't think he knows what manifesting means. Did you feel the need to explain that to him

or it's like, well, we're not actually married. Oh, man. The manifestation hasn't taken place yet. It's like, we'd have to be married for me to be. To be your wife. Right. Well, but he was like manifesting it now, like that. He was certainly trying, for sure.

He was speaking to you as if it's. It's already been done. Yeah, yeah, that's right. See, I told you I was gonna manifest it. And I was like, okay. Was it manifesting words on a jersey? Because you nailed it. You know what, it was cute.

I give the boy some credit. I actually feel for him. I think he's just a bit of a fish out of cute. I give the boy some credit. You know. I actually feel for him. Yeah. I think he's just a bit of a fish out of water. I think so too. I think it's easy to laugh at some of his behavior. And certainly, I think he has a lot to learn, maybe about love and dating, and he's a little green, so to speak.

But I will ride for Sam M much more than I'll ever ride for Sam M. Facts. But you did send him home. I would love to know what Jen thinks about that. Do you agree or disagree? I can't say if I agree or disagree, but I will say that, yeah, I think Sam N was like,

he was just a fish out of water. He didn't know what he was doing. And I think it was sweet. Like his intentions seemed sweet. And for me, like, I'm not gonna fault anybody for being a little bit forward, you know? Just not your guy. Yeah. It could work really well for somebody else.

That was also a moment that I was like, yes, thank God, Jen, when he wanted to kiss you and you were like... Yeah, I was kind of like, I can't drag this on any longer. You're so sweet. I just don't see it. And I felt bad. I wasn't just gonna kiss him to keep him. So yeah, I had to let that fish go. I guess my question was just more so like, was it like all too much too soon? Or was there any pressing reason as to why when he went in for the kiss, you were like, you know

what, actually? I just wasn't feeling it. Unfortunately, I feel like in those moments, you kind of just know when somebody asks you and I just was like, I don't. I feel like in those moments, you kind of just know when somebody asks you and I just was like, I don't think I want to. And then I was like, oh shit, I should probably send him home if I don't want to. Yeah, it's probably a sign. Let's talk about the ex-boyfriend.

Yeah, let's do it. Or maybe not an ex-boyfriend. Oh my gosh. Or as we know, an ex-boyfriend. What are these weddings that he made it seem like you were supposed to go to with him. Yeah, yeah, fair, fair, fair. So we've been friends for a while.

We dated three years ago. What is his name? Matthew. Matthew, we reconnected here and there and we'll get dinner and stuff. Like I live in Boston, well, my family is in Boston, he lives in Boston. So we'll see each other here and there.

But over the past few months, post Joey's season and stuff, like we just like talked a lot, but like he lives in Boston out of Miami. So like there was nothing there. I was still seeing a bunch of other people, maybe not a bunch of other people, but like a few other people, whatever. He had a few weddings in Columbia that he needed a plus one to. I'd never been to Columbia before. It was like a free trip to Columbia. That sounds great. So I was like, yeah, I'll be your plus one to Columbia if

I'm not doing anything, you know? And that's kind of where it all came from. And then you were quite booked and busy. I was very busy. So I did tell him, I was like, hey, I got to go do this thing. And unfortunately, I can't be your plus one, but maybe some other very lucky girl will. Did you tell him that you were gonna be the Bachelorette or did you actually say, yes, I go do this thing? I did not tell him. You didn't? No, okay, I lied, I did.

Okay, I think it's okay. Okay, I did, yeah, I did. Secret's up. How did he respond to that? How did he respond? I think at that point he was just like, yeah, that sounds great, like good for you, I'm happy for you.

There was no. Mm-mm. He wasn't like, I don't want you to go, I love you. Yeah, he was like, wait, that sounds great. Like, good for you, I'm happy for you. There was no. Mm-mm. He wasn't like, I don't want you to go, I love you. Yeah, he was like, wait, no, I'm in love with you, I wanna be with you. Yeah, and even if he did, like. Was there any mention of him being like, even joking? Like, oh, wouldn't that be crazy if I showed up

or anything like that? No, definitely not, definitely not. And so we obviously were very surprised. I was very shocked. I don't think, we were in New Zealand. It's not like we were in Kansas or Connecticut. He flew to New Zealand. And at first when I saw him, I thought to myself,

wow, a friendly face. I'm so excited. He must be here to give me some advice or something. And then I was like- It's not gonna fly around the world to give you advice. Very, very quickly I was like, this man is not here to give me advice. I felt like you were actually overall happy to see him.

That was my read. He is someone who's been like a good friend in my life. Like we've known each other for three years now. I know his family very well. Like we're on such good terms. So I wasn't like upset cause he wasn't like a toxic ex or anything. If anything, I was very confused in that moment

because I just didn't think that he loved me like that. Did you not? He was like, I love you. And you're like, Matthew! I mean, I really, as someone who knows what it's like to show up late for a season, I just, I really loved as someone who knows what it's like to show up late for a season, I really loved the gesture. You seemed happy about it.

Good looking guy. I really hated the I love you part. Up into that point, it felt like I can believe this. It seems genuine. He knew her, the story lines up. Like, you know, you guys connected after the bachelor. I think a lot of people do that, you know, or it's just like you go through this crazy experience

and then maybe there's someone who like realizes like, whoa, shit, what am I doing? I should really pursue this person. And then you guys talk, you get to go and be the bachelorette. But the I love you part felt performative. That felt to me was like, this is a guy who's saying this

because he feels like he should say this and that's how he's gonna get on the show rather than kind of being confident in the connection that you guys did have, whatever real connection that was and just kind of lead with that. Well, I was just confused because we hadn't dated in three years.

Like we had seen each other here and there and gotten dinner or whatever, but I was just confused where the I love yous was coming from. And when he said like we were in love, like we were never in love. Was that to ask you to do it for me? we were never in love. I was about to ask you. We were never in love. Maybe he thought we dated for like three months we were not in love and so I yeah I was really really shocked and confused and trying to wrap my head around what exactly it is that he had wanted for me

in that in that moment yeah. Do you think fame? Hmm, he wanted to know. Listen, the thought definitely crossed my head for sure. He does have a little TikTok following. So like, I'm not- He does? Yes. From what? He has a little wiener dog and he posts about it.

And he's a wiener dog boy. That's not what I thought you were gonna say. Yeah. Yeah, me and her, I was like, oh, God, no, no, no, no. Wiener dog, wiener dog. We can really edit the show. Dog, dog, dog.

No. He has a TikTok following because he has a little weiner. Dog, dog. Dog. Dog. Okay, the dog's cute. The dog is so cute. And so, you know, I just got a bit of a following

in Boston and whatever. And so, yeah, he's a bit of an influencer. And the thought definitely crossed my mind. But I know him very well from knowing him for three years. And I thought, I'm gonna ask the question, like, do you really mean that? Why are you actually here? But I think when he doubled down,

I was like, oh, okay, shit, this is serious. Like, I don't think he would have flown all the way across the country to New Zealand if it wasn't. When you hung out, and even when you're hanging out as friends, even though you were friends, did you see him in a, did you have any type of maybe crush on him?

Were you kind of thinking on your end, he's kinda cute, I like this guy, should we rekindle it? Knowing that you didn't communicate that and that was never actually a thing between you guys, but were you ever in your head, like maybe thinking there's something there? I think back then, like when, before all of this happened,

my mindset was more like, he's someone I feel very comfortable with and very familiar and someone who knows me very well. And so I wasn't thinking like, we're gonna date like I like him so much also because we just lived in different states at the time. So it just didn't, I didn't see him in that light during that time.

When you guys dated three years ago, who ended it? He ended it. He ended it. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. And how long did you date? Like three months.

Three months. And then you didn't hear from him until after you were famous, after the best friend. We had seen each other over the years, like here and there. So it wasn't totally out of the blue that he reached out after Joey sees him. Well, because I'm thinking to myself, okay, well, on one end,

a guy does not ask a girl to be his date in a different country if he doesn't like her. But then you're famous, and it's just like he's got a little weird dog And he's bringing his famous friend You know it could go either way yeah Yeah, I mean I wasn't I wasn't really focused on why he was inviting me. I was like I've never been Hot tub like it just sounds great. It sounds great to me.

Well, I know you can't say, because it ended on a cliffhanger, but I'm 99.99% sure. He's in like a tux. It looked like he was ready for rose ceremony. You kept him at least for a minute, because it would be kind of rude to make him dress up, go to a rose ceremony, and then send him home.

I will say, yes, you did see him in a tux, and you'll just have to watch and see what happens with that. How are we feeling post-show? Are we feeling potentially in love? Are we, like, if, you know, how are we? I won't say if I'm in love or not, but I will say that I'm very happy. I'm very happy with the way things turned out,

and I couldn't have seen it going any other way. Any other way. Yes. Like that, I think. Well, we love that you're happy. Thank you, I appreciate that. I would like to just quickly shift a gear and then we can shift back.

The comment Kelly Ripa made to you, your clap back was, I think iconic. The way that you just like immediately were able to pull that out. I think she said something about why are you doing this show? You can go to the grocery store. You don't need to like this TV show. Was it coming from a good place?

Yeah, I mean, for me, I, for me and Kelly, I think we were just doing it all in good fun, you know? In my head, I didn't, I didn't take any offense to that. I was just like, hey, look at this. You also met your husband on TV. So I wasn't offended by it. I don't think she was offended by it. And I think it was all in good fun.

Yeah. She has a bit of a history with the bachelor. I have heard that. I've also heard that. Did she say anything to you? Oh yeah. What'd she say to you? I forgot. It was definitely, people got mad at her then too. Oh really?

There's a no literally I think someone did a whole article about all the times Kelly ripped a offended a bachelorette or a bachelor Yeah, I think I know it's kind of weird. It's like if you hate the show so much I think she just doesn't necessarily understand or agree with the the show and that's okay Yeah, yeah, we get it. Right? What are some of just like let's just get away from the show a little bit and get to know Jen a little bit and Keep it kind of fun But what are some of your biggest? X like what are your kind of obvious turnoffs that you just can't stand? Or some like even kind of surprising ones.

Like we had a tour girl recently in breathing. Oh, I did see that little clip. Sorry. Well, some men breathing could piss me off. Right? I would say, I mean like surface level, like chewing with your mouth open. It's crazy.

And it just turns me off so much. And when you're like talking to me and you have a food full, like a mouth full of food, it's like, it's just not it for me. I don't, I don't know if it things, if anything really turns me off. I have like, I have weird turn ons, I feel like. Ooh, like what? I love chest hair, like love, love, love.

How much? The more the better. Really? You can use that. You have too much chest hair. I'm a weirdo, I'm such a weirdo. Show her the love. How much? The more the better. Really? Can you have too much chest hair? I'm a weirdo. I'm such a weirdo. Show her the picture. What picture?

Chamos is... I don't know. I think that was like, it went away. I don't think I have a... Oh gosh. I don't think so. I mean, I can look, but it's like, it's quite alarming. It's Wolverine.

It's, yeah. Oh! Like you love that. I just saw the movie. You love that. I just saw the movie. I love that. I feel like Brett has a lot of chest hair. He might have had a lot of chest hair.

I think Devin also. Devin looks like a hairy chest kind of guy. Did we see it? No. I don't know, I'm gonna say Devin. Oh wait, I feel like we saw it on the- We didn't see it. Yeah, the chip and nails.

Does anyone have chest hair? I don't know. Do they? Yes, you do. We need to pay better close attention. Well, it doesn't mean that they have to have it. So you can't have too much chest hair. No, I don't think so.

What about back hair? Oh, back hair, that's different. I think back hair is a little different. But if, what if you had... You gotta shave your back for me, baby. You can't have one without the other. I feel like. No, like, I feel like if you grow so much.

You just want like a black and white cookie? You're not just like... I love that. I used like. No, like I feel like if you grow so much. You just want like a black and white cookie. You know, just like. I love that. I used to love black and white cookies. Maybe this is where it's coming from. Black and white cookies. This is where it's coming from.

Yeah. That's crazy. Any other random turn ons? We love this honesty. Nothing that I can think of right now. What about like icks in relationships? None of the men gave you an ick at all, ever. I feel bad if I say it.

It's okay, it's okay. It's like Nick, when Nick trips, I'm like, oh my God. You know, don't do that. I'm just gonna say, pearl necklace, very interesting choice. The pearl necklace was interesting. Very interesting choice. I don't think it would, maybe if there was like a,

you know, a girl he like, maybe like babysat made it for us. Oh, that would be cute. So sweet. So sweet. Like is it your grandma's? Oh my God, is it your grandma's? Cute, sweet. Okay, okay, maybe I should have asked questions

instead of judging, my bad. No, no, no, no, no. It's definitely not his grandma's. It's definitely not his grandma's or I don't think he's a babysitter. He brought a prop with him. He brought the book. Oh God. He brought a prop with him. He brought the buck. Oh, God.

He brought a prop. Too much, too. I feel like Aaron really wasted your time. I think he owes you an apology. For one, clearly he knew this whole opportunity was a possibility, and I would challenge that he knew the whole time and knew he had to leave early. And two, he brought a prop.

He literally, instead of like investing his time and getting to know you, he talked to his brother and thought, wouldn't it be fun to do a callback from my season four years ago where no one remembers? And like just kind of made it a whole thing. And again, being the guy who's wasting your time to getting your head to make you insecure about the other men and questioning their intentions,

he went and dropped this bomb. Nothing about his time on the show meant he was sincere about getting to know you. And I think as such, he owes you an apology. Yeah, I mean, I don't disagree. I think like him doing what he did, I'm so happy for him. But yeah, like the whole book thing, I wouldn't have thought anything of it

if it hadn't already been done by his brother. Yeah, it was like. It was like, okay. Did you know that they were related when he was on? He did tell me that, yes, he did tell me that. You've been very open about your past relationships. Yes. And we appreciate it.

We love talking about relationships on this show. We learn a lot from our failures. We learn a lot from our relationships that don't work out. But what are some things you learned from that that are really benefiting you now as the Bachelorette and that you will carry forward in the future, whether you are engaged or with someone or not? In my previous very toxic relationship,

I was shut down a lot of the times and I didn't really stand up for myself. And I think that's something that maybe I'm still kind of dealing with now is like speaking up for myself when something really bothers me. But also in that relationship, I just felt like I was never like heard and everything that was serious to me

was being made fun of. And I didn't really see it until I got out of it. It just was not, yeah, it just wasn't good and he knew that and I think that he's very manipulative in the way that he moved and he would pull on certain strings when he knew that I would act in a certain way. So I think moving forward with my new relationships, I really want to be able to stand my own ground and never lose who I really am just because of another guy. So I'm constantly working on every day, just standing up for myself, like who am I and what do I believe in and not letting anybody

falter that or sway that in any way just because I'm dating somebody. When did that relationship happen? I dated him right before I got into PA school. So like two years ago now, I think. Yeah. We dated for like a year. How did that end? He had like moved me into my apartment in Miami and while we were there, his mom was like, why are you in Miami? And he was like, I'm just here with some friends. And I was like, you still haven't told your mom about me and we've been dating for a whole year.

It's just, it made me feel so icky and so disgusted because I was like, like we're adults now, like why are you hiding me? It doesn't make sense. And so after that, things were really rocky with us and we had broken up very shortly after that. And he just, we were on FaceTime one day and I brought up something I was upset about,

related to that, and he hung up the phone and was like, I'm done. And like didn't speak to me for like weeks after that. It was a very brutal breakup in a sense where like I didn't get answers. And honestly, like I should have been the one to break up with him, but I'm glad that he did it because I don't know if I was in the right mindset

at that time in my life to have ever done it. How did you end up in the Bachelorette or the Bachelorette in the first place? A casting producer reached out to me and they saw my PA school TikToks and they said that they wanted to interview me. When this is all over, what are your plans? Are you going to kind of be like a full-time bachelorette? Do you want to go back to what you were doing before?

Yes, I will be going back to PA school. I'm taking a little break right now just like to get my footing down just because this is all very new and like my schedule is very crazy. So I will be going back to school in January. And for anyone who doesn't know what PA school is? Physician Assistant School. So I will be going back in January and just, yeah, resuming my normal life hopefully. And like, yeah, having a side gig

and doing social media here and there, but my focus will be Physician Assistant School because that's kind of like what I've done my whole life and it's what makes me feel the most fulfilled. Yeah. Is there any field that you want to specialize in? Probably the emergency room. I'm someone who's very upbeat

and I need something different every second to assimilate myself. And I think I do well in environments where I'm pressured. So yeah, I definitely think the ER is something I'd want to do. What about surgery? No, not surgery. I did a surgical rotation and I realized it was not for me.

Like it looks really cool on Grey's Anatomy and then you're in there, the room is cold, you can't wear a sweater, you're standing for hours on end, you can't pee, I need to pee every five seconds. It's just like, it's so cool to watch but I just would not be able to work well under those conditions. So that's not it, yeah.

Going forward with the rest of the season, we all know that like, you know, the audience, like one thing that really sucks about being the lead is that you sometimes get judged too much for choices that sometimes don't even feel like your own. Is there any any kind of warning you want to give the audience as we continue to watch the season, just like a heads up? It's just like when you see this, like don't necessarily assume that.

Does that make sense? Like do you want like a, yeah, just kind of, any disclaimers going forward that you worry that we might see something and think one thing when maybe we should think another? I don't think so. Okay, pretty straightforward. I think things will be pretty straightforward.

But again, like I haven't watched it, so what do I know? Well, you mean you lived it, so you were. Yeah, but I don't know how it's going to be. She doesn't know what they're doing. What it's gonna be portrayed as. I don't have any worries, but. What upfront expectations did you have

with any of the men that you took to Fantasy Suites with? Expectations? Yeah, like any like, you know, there's obviously a lot can go down in fantasy suites. Sometimes it's just plain old conversations. Sometimes it's more than that. But like often there are upfront expectations or did you have any, before you even went into filming,

expectations of what you thought would go down that week? I mean, honestly, like I was nervous going into that week. Like who isn't, right? Cause you're like, what is going to come out in these fantasy suites and like for me intimacy is very private so like I didn't even really want to talk about like whatever was going on in there but I also viewed that time as a time to talk about things that you can't talk about on camera like politics, religion, like money, the financial wise job like what do you want

to do after this are you going to be an influencer or are you gonna continue a regular day job? So I really took those moments off camera into talking about things like that because that's when things get real. And I would say I did a pretty good job at kind of laying down the ground and figuring out where these men were really at.

Yeah. You're happy with how it went. Yeah, definitely. You're welcome to name names, but you're also welcome not to. But were there any men that you were dating that you thought were more in it for the followers than for you?

At any point during dating? At any point during the season? Yeah, for sure. I think there are little moments or little snippets that people were saying things and I'm like, oh, that doesn't seem like you have my best intentions at heart. Or like things about their job that I'm like,

okay, you're clearly not in this for this, you know? I think of this environment, you can tell a lot by their job. And yeah, I definitely had little inklings here and there that I kept up the back of my head. Is there anyone you can mention? Probably not, no. Did you know that Spencer,

I'm not Spencer, is a pet portrait extraordinaire? I did. Do we know what that is? I did. I think what he does is he makes products where you can put like your pet's picture on it, which I think is really cool. Okay, cute.

Yeah. Okay, that's definitely not what I thought it was. No. Do you think the next Bachelor is amongst your cast of men? I don't know. And that's my answer is I don't know. I know you don't know, and I know it's not your choice, but like, do you think, what does Jen think?

Jen does not know if there are any men on my season that are, I don't know, standing out. I don't know, I don't know. I think there's definitely some potential for sure. Who's got potential? I cannot name names at this moment in time yet. Okay, okay. Respect that.

Yeah, I think we're too early. Where were you gonna say that? I think I was just gonna say, maybe you're with them today, but they would have made a great bachelor. Possible. Possible. That's it, yeah. Who knows?

Who knows? I think I would love to see Devin as the next bachelor. Jonathan. I think it'd be fun. Jonathan, I want Jonathan to be a great bachelor. He'd be great too. So I want him to be a bachelor. I like Jon Irwin for you. the next bachelor. Jonathan. I think he'd be great. Jonathan, I want Jonathan to be the new, of course. I like Jonathan for you. I do too. Okay, all great answers. I think they'd all be great, yeah.

First of all, had absolutely no idea you played lacrosse. Maybe I missed that and like a previous, did you talk about that? I haven't talked about it, no. Yeah, that was kind of like a really cool thing that really seemed to be glossed over. I played lacrosse in high school and then I played club lacrosse in college as well.

It's pretty badass. Thank you. You and Heels playing with Jonathan. I had the best time that night. I was like, this is absolutely everything I need. Especially in Heels, I was like, I'm gonna show off right now. No, you're like, should we do some drills?

He's like, no, no, no. No, I loved it. I know. It was cute. How do you, if at all, feel misunderstood? Like from the show? Just in general, in life. In life?

Or have there been comments you've seen since you've been a public figure where you feel like, why do people think this and that's not who I am? So many. I mean, I think people always just wanna put you in a box. And so I get comments like, you're too boring or like, you're too crazy and fun because you

want to take shots all the time and all this stuff. And it's like, I'm a person and I have a lot of layers to me and I can be fun and crazy and I can also be really emotional and vulnerable and like, you're not going to get all of it all at once, but you're going to get it in snippets. And so, yeah, sometimes I do feel misunderstood in that sense. And again, I think going back to the beginning of what we were, yeah, sometimes I do feel misunderstood in that sense. And again, I think going back to the beginning of what we were talking about, like, I think a lot of times they put on a smiley face and I'm so like, laughy about everything just because

that's kind of just my coping mechanism, I think, that people never really know what's actually going down, down like deep down and they're like, oh, she's so surface level. But in truth, it's just like, I'm just not letting my emotions, like, fully, fully show. And, and, and yeah. I also don't think boring is a negative. Like, we are all boring. You want me to be performing 24-7? Right, right. No, true. No, I am boring most of the time.

That's so true. Because like, what do you want me to be doing all the time? That's so true. No, I am boring most of the time. That's so true. Because what do you want me to be doing all the time? That's so true, I can't be cracking jokes all the time. I cannot be working. I would like a day off. Right, right. I mean, we're all human and we're all dynamic and we all have our moments.

And yeah, I mean, whatever. I don't care about those boring comments anyway. So I know I'm not boring and my friends know that. So, it's okay. What is the most un-boring thing about you? What's the most exciting thing about you? I really like adrenaline. Like, and I like doing adventure.

Like, yes, I jumped off a fucking building and I skydived. Like I will do impulsive things like that all the time. And I mean, I think that's pretty exciting. I mean, we wanna work in the emergency room. Yeah. Yeah, that's exciting. That's exciting. Yeah. I think, I don that's pretty exciting. We wanna work in the emergency room. Yeah, that's exciting. That's exciting. I think, I don't know if you saw it, but we saw Sam and back to you being on the, him laughing.

Now don't know if that was like maybe misplaced, but what was funny up there? Think in the moment he wasn't grasping the situation. I don't think he was fully understanding how upset I was. I think he was just like, let's just go. But you did give him a rose. I did. Why?

By the end of the night, I think what I wanted was to know if there was a little bit more there, like emotional wise. And he did open up to me about his previous engagement and in that moment I took that inch and I said that's progress. Okay. You can send everyone home. We've got to get someone around. Yeah.

Any fun like behind the scenes moments that you wish the audience could have seen that they're just not going to show because it's The Bachelor, there's not enough time? I mean there is a moment in which after the morning portion of Devin and I's date, we sat down and had like a family meal together. And it was just us two and a dog like all of a sudden comes running into the shot. And we were like, is that like a paid actor? Like that there's just like, it just came at the perfect time. And then after that, another dog came by and then another dog,

which I think it was because of all the food, but very, very hilarious moment that I think about because I was like, we're never gonna show it, but like it was just so perfectly timed that you would think it was like TV magic, but no, the owners just weren't around. Stop, are you a dog person or cat person? Huge dog and cat person.

I foster cats all the time. Just because I'm too busy to like walk a dog every day, I'm like lazy as hell. But I'd love dogs too, if somebody was there to take care of them. I got a side of a game you wanna play? Fine. Okay.

Fine. There's like enough about the dogs. Okay. We get it, you hate animals. Okay, we get it. We love dogs. No, you hate them. You hate animals, we get it. Would you like to talk more about dogs? No, we get it, you hate animals. We get it. We love dogs. No, you hate animals. You hate animals, we get it.

Would you like to talk more about dogs? No, it's fine. Okay, okay. Tell me about this game. I'm the worst. I wanna play, what does an engaged like look like with blank? Engaged life look like with blank. So like, from what you know,

what you've learned about these men, we know you can't tell us if you are engaged or who you would pick, but from what you know, what you've learned about these men, we know you can't tell us if you are engaged or who you would pick, but from what you know, what would an engaged life look like with Marcus? Very adventurous. Okay. Yeah. Where would you guys live? Probably Boston.

Okay. Yeah. That's it, adventurous in Boston? Yeah, I don't know. Do you all have dogs and cats? Yeah, do you have dogs or cats? Okay. I feel like he would take care of a dog. He would, yes. I think we'd have dogs, cats. Yeah, you have dogs or cats. Okay. I feel like he would take care of a dog. He would, yes, I think we'd have dogs, cats.

I mean, yeah, I think he used to live in Boston for a little bit. I used to live in Boston, so Boston seems great. We'd be skydiving every other day. Every other day. We'd be doing rock climbing, crazy things like that. What's he doing for work? Yeah, he is-

In this engaged fantasy. In this engaged world. Yeah. doing crazy things like that. What's he doing for work? Yeah, he is- In this engaged fantasy. In this engaged world. He is an astronaut. He's an astronaut. He is an astronaut. He did his dreams. I know, he finally fulfilled his dreams.

What does engaged life look like with Devin? With Devin, okay. We'd be laughing a lot. We'd maybe be living in California. Cute. Why? His dad lives there, I believe. And yeah, we'd be in California.

We'd be hanging out, laughing a lot. There'd be dogs involved in that one too. What's he doing for work? He is still doing what he does for work. Which is? He is, you know, like shipping, trucking stuff. Trucking stuff, yes. He would still be doing trucking shipping, trucking stuff, trucking stuff. He would still be doing trucking. He'd still be trucking.

He'd be trucking. Trucking in California. What does an engaged life look like with Jonathan? Ah, an engaged life with Jonathan. We'd be living in San Diego. I love San Diego. We'd be playing lacrosse on the weekends. Bringing the kids out. Teaching them lacrosse. Yes, we have kids with Jonathan. We have kids with Jonathan. And they're so cute.

What's one's name? Do we know yet? Jonathan Jr. perhaps? Yes, of course. JJ. Oh, I like that. I can't believe I haven't thought of that. That's cute. Who's our fourth? Sam M. She haven't thought of that. That's cute. That's cute. Who's our fourth? Who's our fourth? Sam M.

No, she doesn't pick Sam M. Spencer? I don't know, maybe that's just me. Yeah, what does Engaged Life look like with Spencer? I think Spencer's a sleeper, for sure. Yeah. Spencer's definitely a sleeper. Spencer and I would be living in Texas, where he lives,

and we'd have a lot of dogs. See, every relationship there's dogs here. We'd have a lot of dogs. See, every relationship there's dogs here. We'd have a lot of dogs because he is a pet portrait entrepreneur and he would be putting on my seatbelt every time we go on a date. You know, that was, it was just so sweet that he did that. Your house is filled with like framed photos of your dogs. Framed photos of our dogs everywhere.

I mean, I don't know. I imagine us in a field of grass with a lot of puppies all the time. Okay, magical. Yeah. Sign me up. Only kids with Jonathan. Uh-oh.

So. I love that. No, we don't. No, we love that. We love that. Name JJ. JJ, so cute. Gin, Jonathan, JJ.

Who of the men are the most empathetic? Empathetic. Yeah. Jonathan. Jonathan. are the most empathetic? Empathetic. Yeah. Jonathan. Jonathan. Yeah, very empathetic. Who has the shortest temper? Sam?

Any of the men that we're seeing, you liked better in person than you liked on TV. Very interesting question. Like I liked better looks wise in person than you liked on TV? Ooh. Very interesting question. Like I liked better looks wise in person? Just in general, like you, whether- The vibe maybe. Yeah, like you just, you have a better memory of them in person than you-

Oh, John M. John M, okay. John M, which one was John M? Yeah. I'm really, who is John M? I know. Did he get on the screen though? No, he's not on the screen.

Wait, we just saw him this past episode. The rugby player. Yes. Yeah, really? Yes, yes, John M. Yes, my man. Your man? Well saw him this past episode. The rugby player. Yes. Yes, yes. Yes, Jon M. Yes, my man. What, your man?

Well, they're all my men at this point. Okay. Why did you like- He was grasping at any move. No, no, no, this must be so challenging for any lead because it's like everything you take, it's like we take a mile with it. Yeah, we're just having fun.

What did you like about Jonathan? Like Jonathan or Jon M? Jon M. Jon M, okay. We know what we're talking about. I Jonathan? Like Jonathan or John M? John M. John M, okay. We know what we're talking about. I figured, because we've been talking about Jonathan. John M, his personality didn't come out to a little bit later, but he was just like

a sweet teddy bear, like he was like this giant little teddy bear and he was so, so intentional with every conversation we had and he is a very perceptive, perceptive person and easy to have fun with, yes. Who was the smartest of the men? The smartest of the men, I'd have to say Devin. Devin?

Yes. Who's the funniest, but I feel like that- Who's the smartest and the funniest. I never said that. No, that's what I said. Yeah, who do you think is the funniest? The funniest, Jeremy. Really?

Hilarious, absolutely hilarious. Really? Yes. I love that. Could not stop laughing with him. Austin, we kind of forget about. But he's so handsome. He's sweet.

And I think that could, he seems sweet. But he does kind of get. The mullet does him well. I like it. The mullet does work. The mullet is cute. Yeah, and it needs to bring back his mullet. Oh, you had a mullet? Yeah, yeah.

Interesting. Yeah, he was forced to. Oh, did you like that? I thought it was fine. I did, I did. Aw, we should bring it back, perhaps. Yeah, no, we will, I'm sure, if she asks, yeah. Anything for love.

I'm okay. I am simply just a muse at this point, you know? Uh-huh. Whatever you want, I don't care. We love that energy. Yeah, well you'll style your fiance? If I had a fiance. Whenever that is.

Perhaps at some point in the future, will I style my fiance? No, I would hope that he could just style himself. Well, I thought I had good style, then I met Natalie and then I was like, oh, this is better. Well, it's just different style. You know, it was like still good

by like some people's standards. But then I was like, this is cute-er. I think a woman knows best. I do agree. Would you like a man who is comfortable enough for you to dress him? Yeah, I mean, you shouldn't be offended if I told you to wear something.

I think that's where like the toxic masculinity comes in where it's like, why are you so resistant? Just put the shirt on, it's not a big deal I know better anyway Exactly, we're always right. So yeah, I mean I'd like a guy with some style But like you should also listen to me every now and then that'd be nice. Okay. Yeah right now your front-runners Appear to be Sam M and Devin who couldn't be more opposite What what quality are you most attracted to in Sam and what quality are you most attracted to in Sam

and what quality are you most attracted to in Devin? In Sam at the moment on the show, I think I like how mysterious it is. And it's like a puzzle, so I'm trying to figure something out. With Devin on the show at the moment, we just had our one-on-one, so I think it's very attractive

that we could have that emotional connection and that we could bond on a lot of things. And he was able to empathize with me and relate with me. And it was nice to be able to have that depth of a conversation with him. Yeah. Before we let you go, Jen, anything you want to make sure the audience knows

or your final thoughts or. I mean, I feel good. You guys feel good? I feel great. I feel great. It's an ending we've never seen before. Never seen before. It'll be interesting.

It'll be very, very interesting. I'm excited to watch the play out. I think you break up with the ex. I think he's number two. What? You think Matthew is all the way to number two? You didn't even ask what her future life would be like. Oh yeah, what's a future life look like with Matthew?

Thank you, Sierra. Thank you so much. Oh my goodness. Well, if you actually go back three years, I'm sure there's some photos. That's what it is. What does a life look like with Matthew? Matt and I are living in Boston, living in Seaport.

We're hanging out with his wiener dog. Playing with his tiny wiener? out with his wiener dog. Playing with his tiny wiener. Playing with his wiener dog. We're going to the beach every now and then. He has a house in New Hampshire. Oh. He has a house in Florida. So we're doing all these things.

I think it was money. We're traveling. He paid for his own flight to New Zealand. I mean. I mean. Do we think he got first class? He paid for his own first class flight to New Zealand. Yes. I was about to say, he showed up refreshed and they're like, you

need to go talk to her now. And he wasn't like, can I just like brush my teeth? He was like, all right, I'm ready to go. I can confirm he paid for his own flight to New Zealand. He landed right there and his lips were way more chapped than I've ever seen. And it's not shown on the show. His mouth did look dry. I was like, he needs something. It was so chapped. I was like, this is how you're going to confess your love. What's up, Chapssie? We need a Barts B's immediately. Yeah, yeah, oh yeah.

I think if she keeps Matthew, and she does, I think he goes far. Okay. All right, stay tuned everyone. We'll put our bets in. Tide up. Jen, it's been a real pleasure. Thank you for having me.

Really enjoying this season. Thank you for coming and answering our questions. And we're absolutely rooting for you for the rest of the way. Thank you. We hope that you, well, you are happy. So we're just glad you're happy. Yeah, I'm so happy.

I'm so happy. Thank you. So however it ends, we are happy for you. Thank you so much. Because you seem to be happy now. Thank you. And that's all that we really care about. Yeah, exactly.

Thank you so much. I appreciate it. All right. Well, thank you again, Jen. Where should people follow you? Yeah, exactly. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. All right. Well, thank you again, Jen. Where should people follow you? Instagram, TikTok, JenTranX. Okay. That's all I've got.

All right. Well, follow Jen. Thanks for listening, guys. Don't, whoa, Jen. Yeah, just thanks for listening. Go check out the Jenne and Kenny episode of Yevon already. We'll be back on Monday. Bye.