The Viall Files - E788 - The Bachelorette w/ Johnny Lowe, Olympics, Rachel Lindsay’s Divorce, and Influencer Birthdays

Episode Date: August 6, 2024

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap! The Olympics are going, and we are Team Pop Culture… join us to talk about Rachel Lindsay’s Divorce, influencer birthdays, Luke Combs embarrassing his friends, Kesha’s Lollapalooza performance, and celebrity biopics. Meanwhile, Johnny Lowe joins us to talk all things the Bachelorette. “I accidentally stumbled into the phrase, nepo maybe.”  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes.  Follow us on X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheViallFiles Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS:  Shopify - Sign up for a one-dollar-per-month trial period at https://www.shopify.com/viall  Article - Our listeners can get $50 off your first purchase of $100 or more. To claim, visit https://www.article.com/VIALL and the discount will be automatically applied at checkout. Huggies - Learn More At https://www.Huggies.com  Nutrafol - For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you go to https://www.Nutrafol.com and enter the promo code VIALL.  Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @johnnylowe @ciaracrobinson @justinkaphillips @dereklanerussell   Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 01:13 - Olympics 11:40 - Divorce 19:36 - Plus Ones 25:07 - Green Flag Red Flag 29:10 - Luke Combs 30:55 - Kesha 33:36 - BioPic 35:42 - Love Island 45:40 - Vanderpump 57:35 - Welcome John 01:05:43 - Pole Vault 01:17:17 - Bachelorette Recap 01:52:19 - Outro

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We got the household with us. The Olympics is going strong. How's everyone's weekend? fantastic How was my weekend I saw a lot of River Post on the stories. My family was I watched a lot of River Okay. Yeah, Nick was a stay at home dad for the weekend. Nice. And we switched roles. Love that. Yeah.

You were hosting a podcast. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Actually, no, not really. I kind of feel like I, oh, no, yeah, that was Friday. What did we do Saturday? What did we do Saturday?

Oh, no, I was home all day, okay? No, yeah, okay, so I was home all day. And then my sisters were leaving Saturday night, and so they came over and we cooked dinner and we hung out and then they left for the airport. And then Sunday, Nick did stay home with River all day while I went and had a little girl's day in Santa Monica and Brentwood, so.

I just watched the Olympics all weekend. Nice. Was I the only one? Are you Team USA? I'm so Team USA. My patriotism comes out in full force during the Olympics. But that's what I love about the Olympics. Olympics is like this beautiful sport

that both like brings out your, I guess, patriotism or loyalty to your country, but at the same time, like allows you to see, you know, the other countries and then the camaraderie between the countries when you see, you know, like there is like this, the Chinese badminton players, they got engaged.

When you see like the gymnast like root for each other, who was the young lady who won the floor for Brazil? And then you had Simone Biles and Jordan Childs take second and third. Jordan took second and? Simone Biles took second and Jordan took third. Rebecca Andrade? Yeah, Rebecca Andrasi.

Andrade? I believe it's Andrasi. It's A-N-D-R-A-D-E. I was watching the Olympics. I don't think it's Andrade. Nick was watching. So, Andrade. I could be wrong though.

I mean, I'm not one to... Argue with the internet. How does the internet say it? ESPN says A-N-D-R-A-D-E. Says? I don't know how it's spelled. I'm telling you, it's not, it's A-N-D-R-A-D. Maybe you're watching- Look at Brett Farr's last name.

You were watching the- And pronounce it for me. Pobre. Yeah, don't mind. I mean, listen, I could be wrong on the pronunciation. You could have been watching like a different live stream with like an accent or something. So that was probably it.

I'm probably saying it wrong. He's also from Brazil, so there might be a little bit of an accent. Could definitely sound different than how it's spelled. Anyways, just the camaraderie between nations you see. It's both the patriotism and the appreciation for different cultures and different people, and yet you can come together and still root for each other.

It's all the things that seem to be missing in this world today. It seems like you still get from the Olympics and it really brings you together. And for the all around was great. It was Suni Lee on her floor competition. That was amazing after her first, what do you call it? Her first run.

Tumbling pass. Her tumbling pass, yeah. And then she landed, she stuck it, and she stuck out her arms, and you could tell the joy of her face. was such a comeback because before she did that event She was like in fifth or sixth place and that was the final event for the all-around and it was so good that she Catapulted her way pun intended all the way in to like a bronze medal. It was incredible. Oh, you're such a fan Oh the Olympics is great. Yeah, and then did you uh, oh the another crazy story

I was gonna say are you Team French now? Oh, the guy with the giant cock? After the pole vault? We'll get to that in a second, hold on. No, but you, Kristen Faulkner, you don't know who Kristen Faulkner is. Well, let me tell you about Kristen Faulkner. Kristen Faulkner won gold for,

I think it's the bicycling, but like the street one. I don't know, like street, I don't know how far they go. She was on a bicycle, she won gold. It's the Olympics, that's all you need to know. But, Kristen Faulkner grew up in Alaska. Road cycling. Road cycling, thank you. Rode at Harvard, rode, like as in just like

a different Olympic sport, like road and boat, I believe. Then she moved to New York City after school, just like a normal college grad, just like, you know what, I'm gonna graduate from Harvard. I did some sports at university, I'm done with that. No problem. She got a job working as a university. I'm done with that, no problem. She got a job working as a venture capitalist, working on Wall Street, crushing life.

Decided, you know what, I'm only in my 20s. I'm single, I don't know if she's single or not. She's living in New York. I'm gonna take a beginner cycling class in Central Park. She started riding every morning at five a.m. Started competing at local cycling tournaments. Quit her job, moved to California, won gold. Damn.

That's incredible. Yeah. Amazing. Did you see the men's Olympic 100 meter final? That I did not. Photo finish race. Oh my God, Nick knows the fucking Olympics. He was watching.

I was watching the river, watching the Olympics. No, but it was amazing. Tell us. No, seriously, like photo finish, they literally had to have a photo finish because actually the announcer said that he thought that the Jamaican man often winners of the 100 meter dash, who you seen both. Yeah, we've seen both.

But it ended up being Lyles, I believe. One of the gold. He came from behind. Gotcha. Holy shit. You guys, you guys are, yeah, you're missing out. It was great. We should petition to have you like recap

or comment on the next Olympics. And then Shakari, am I saying her name, Shakari Richardson? Yeah. She took silver. That was a bit of a bummer. She was supposed to win, but also kinda came, also came back, had a, not a very good start,

but it was raining and they had to wait. But also she came from Tokyo four years ago where she wasn't even able to. She got screwed because all she wants to do is, you know, smoke a little weed. Just calm down. And somehow the Olympic bullshit committee decided that somehow marijuana is a performance enhancing drug.

No, if you can drink alcohol and compete at the Olympics, you should be able to smoke a bowl. There's also the man from, the the pedophile the sec the oh That's fucked up that's how how is that possible? What does he play for? Yeah? What is up with that? He's a Dutch beach volleyball. Yeah, he Stephen van de Velde trigger warning. He did 12 year old. Yeah Was convicted. Mm-hmm and is now competing on the Olympics. That is fucking crazy How is there not like that? I mean, I don't that's a felony and right.

You would think, but unfortunately, seemingly across the world and the United States is shockingly not. I mean, a lot of people seem to not do the appropriate amount of time. Fucked. Yeah, that is wild. But to do that and then be able to like play for your country and represent your country. You couldn't find another volleyball player, Netherlands?

Yeah. Is he from the Netherlands? The Dutch are the Netherlands. That's always a little confusing. He served 12 months of punishment in the UK. 12 months. That's so fucked. But no one's talking about it at the Olympics, right? Like this isn't he was booed

I know so it's like people that were there knew What he did but no like commentators know he got eliminated. Mm-hmm. Why did he get eliminated? I think cuz they lost yeah, oh said crowd cheers as convicted just eliminated an Olympic beach volleyball How is that a fucking headline? How like? Netherlands, what the fuck? Olympic committee, what the fuck? Yeah, it's the Olympic committee who's like, who's. Well, I mean, both the country and the overall, I mean.

Maybe. A lot of people had to like look the other way or say yes. Maybe it's because he was convicted in the UK versus in the Netherlands. It's not even disputed whether he did it or not. It's not at all. He's admitted it, yeah. What the fuck?

And he served time for it, but yeah, I'm assuming maybe it's because, even then, exactly what you said, you mean to tell me there's nobody that's that good at volleyball? But I also, I can't imagine being the 12-year-old who's now like, oh my gosh, let's watch the Olympics with my family and then seeing your on TV.

Like that's so fucked. No, it's sickening. Oh my God, how did that even happen? How are we here? Oh my God. Anyways, other than that, which, I shouldn't say it like that. That is terrible.

The Olympics overall has been a joy to watch. I do feel like more people are, I feel like the Paris Olympics, more people are talking about. I feel like the Tokyo Olympics just kind of came and went. Maybe it was because it was COVID four years ago, I don't know, but I feel like more people are paying attention to the Olympics this time.

I think it's the peacock of it all. That's the streaming, you can watch it instantly. Being able to go back and watch events that have happened in the past, not having to DVR and go through four hours worth of footage. I'm like, it's a game changer. It's like Taylor Swift is there. It is the era's tour, but each era is a country.

Think about it. Oh, think about it. What is your favorite Olympic sport? Gymnastics. It's everyone's. Unless you're talking winter, then figure skating for sure. Mine's track and field Unless you're talking winter, then figure skating for sure. Mine's track and field.

Figure skating for winter, yeah. For sure. Also, there are a man from the United States, a man, that took third in the 10,000 meters, which I know a lot of you listening probably don't care, but the Americans have never won a medal in the 10,000 meter race. That's usually reserved for the other countries.

You know what Nick told me? Nick told me that he ran faster than the Olympics at his prime. No, that's not true. And he could have competed, but then he said he gave up. We were watching the decathlon, and I was talking about how amazing these athletes were. And Natalie always likes to reference

my track and field days from high school. And she goes- Who's the state champion? And- That's something. And the particular event, I was explaining the decathlet Catholic to Natalie, they were running the 1500 meters, which is essentially the mile, but a little bit shorter.

And she goes, well, how fast are they running? Can you run as fast as them? And I was trying to explain to her, she was like, they don't look like they're running that fast. I was like, well, they're the Catholics, they're doing 10 different events. So they're not running as fast as say the Olympians who are only running the mile or whatever. And she's like, how who are only running the mile or whatever. And she's like, how fast are they running?

And then they finished their time. I'm like, well, actually I could run faster than them in high school. So like I said, in the beginning, Nick said he could run faster than them in high school. But the Catholics running the 1500 meters, it's the last event, just for all the people who don't know the Catholics out there,

it's the last event. The Catholics generally hate. What are you sang to Catholics. Hate the 1500. It's like the last event. They're tired. These guys are like 226.3. These are amazing athletes.

They're not built to run the mile, but they have to run the mile as part of the Olympics. And they do very well. But yes, I just happen to have been a little slightly bad. On that specific part of the decathlon. On that specific part of the decathlon. After they finished nine other events after they finished 900 events and he could run fast I could run in high school yes that is that she asked a

question like she's like she comes on here and she talks like I am watching the Olympics being like I'm faster than motherfuckers and that is not what happened it was a setup but essentially kind of it is because you were faster than them at that time. The way you tell this story I put on my high school track jersey and started stretching and being like yelling at the TV and be like I'm faster than these slow motherfuckers and that is not what happened. That is not what happened. I did that on Tuesday. No. Nick got new tattoos. I did.

They're chickens. Yeah. River's birthday. And then, some chickens. Chicken, chicken. What do the chickens represent? They're just chickens. I love chickens.

They're just chickens. Just chickens. They're cute. Oh, thank you. They are cute. I love the cards. The cards are so cute. Yeah.

Rachel Lindsay's divorce. What's going on? It's getting messy. It's getting messy. On his side. I didn't really want to talk about this because I had to respect for my friend Rachel, but like I had to respect for my friend Rachel.

I've had enough of Brian. Say more. What the fuck is going on with this guy? Can we give a little context to our audience first, Sierra? What he is doing. Absolutely. So during Rachel Lindsay's divorce, Brian requested 75,000 in legal fees, claiming that he only makes $1,300.

He continues to reside in- Just to be clear, so first of all, when they got divorced, he decided he wanted to go after his ex-wife, Rachel Lindsay, for- Spousal. Spousal support. And then he decided, well, you should pay for me to sue you. This is like general practice though, that part of it. I don't care. But it's still messed up.

It's still fucked up. Yeah, no, I understand. I understand that Brian, Rachel Lindsay's ex-husband has simply just taken advantage of the very outdated. Legal system. Legal system and laws around marriage, sure. But it doesn't stop me from thinking something about you. No.

Did they have a bringup? They did not. That's the part. So this next part is crazy. He continues to reside in Rachel's home for which Rachel pays 90% of all expenses. Lindsay was ordered to pay Brian $13,257 a month in temporary spousal support. Court documents also revealed that Lindsay must pay $15,000 in attorneys' fees and $5,000 for forensic expert expenses. They did not have a prenup. Wait, he's still living in her house? And she's paying for it.

She is paying him all this money. No, I thought like, to my knowledge, he was a chiropractor, like had this boom in practice, was like popping the fuck off, but he's like leeching off of his going to be ex-wife. And like disparaging her name in the press. Like this has all been messy because of him. Rachel hasn't, I think essentially said anything.

I think maybe she's finally responded, but she has definitely tried to keep quiet. And it seems like his side of things is like leaking more and more and more and trying to make her look bad. Isn't he posting screenshots? Yeah, he's speaking publicly, but Lindsay's only speaking through the court documents. That's the part where it's like.

Yeah, it's so gross. And it's just like, have some respect for yourself and your once ex-wife. Does he still have a practice? I don't know. I do know. I don't even know if this is gonna be, but that's the thing.

Like Brian and Rachel, Brian met Rachel in his mid-30s. He was an adult man. He was educated. He was a chiropractor. He already had a life. And Botox. Sure.

That was my nickname for him on the show. Then he got married to Rachel, and all Rachel did was make him more famous, gave him a huge platform. Yes, some would say, like, oh, well he moved across the country to be with Rachel. It's like, okay, you him a huge platform. Yes. Some would say like, Oh, well he moved across the country to be with Rachel. It's like, okay, you made a choice because you wanted to go on a show and then you wanted to propose to her and you wanted to marry her.

That's just like a choice you made. They decided for whatever reason not to have kids in their marriage. So like, what is, what is the issue here? Why is spousal support still a thing? Brian has everything going for him. He's good looking, he's educated, he has a career. Like he has everything going for him. And if he couldn't make a practice work for him

and become a very profitable entrepreneur after everything that Rachel gave him. Like blaming it on Rachel and like making her pay for his like lack of practice. Yeah, but because like- He still has a practice for the record. He has a live website. No, but he's making $1,300 a month?

$1,300 a month? Which I don't know if that's accurate. Whatever. But you can't even pay rent. Maybe it's funny accounting. Yeah, I mean, yeah. It could just, he runs a business, so it could be very easy for him to pay himself,

I don't know, when you have a business, you can have. Yeah, whatever. Either way, but like all I know is like, you're just not good at business and that's his fault. Either he's unmotivated or not smart enough, but like Rachel gave him everything in the possible world to like become something of your practice or anything else. He could, he didn't even have to be an accountant.

He could have done a million other things. But it sounds like he didn't want to do anything. I don't know. It sounds like he wanted to live off of Lindsay do the whole bachelor run thinking that was gonna provide for their life. Or maybe he tried at 30 different things and failed. I don't know.

It's not her fucking problem. No. $1,300, like that would make me have to second-guess things just as a person with pride and having to pay bills and whatnot, $1,300, what can you do with that? I suppose if a married couple decides to have children or adopt or whatever, and then yes, in that situation, sacrifices need to be made

for the betterment of children, who's gonna take care of the kids. Then maybe in that case, one of the two people might have to make a sacrifice or quit a career, quit a job, and say, and in that case, I could see why there's an argument to be made about hey, we decided to have kids and then we agree that I was gonna like give up working

so that, you know, I could date the kids while you could work and it's just like, then the relationship doesn't work out and blah, blah, blah. Then I can see, but then that's called child support, not spousal support. So either way, it's like, he just kinda sucks. He just sucks. And I only, I met him twice, very briefly,

was very lovely and very nice. I really don't know the guy. All I know about him is everything I'm seeing in the press and it's just like kind of just break up with Grace. Like move on with your life. It didn't work out. Why are you like trying to steal from her of all her hard work because you guys

couldn't make a relationship work? Like what exactly is she, why is she paying for your ass? Move back to where your practice is and get your clients back. I don't, I'm just so confused. Also does he think this is like a good look for him? Like does he think him spreading like screenshots and saying that he needs this money, he needs that money.

Like that's gonna help him in his career or in his life? I'm sure it's survival for him. He had every opportunity. Not in a good way. He's living in her house. But he doesn't wanna work, so. He's probably like, well, what else? I agree.

Boo hoo. He's gotten every advantage. I'm usually on the inverse where I'm like, and I could be wrong, I'm just saying, typically it's like you get spousal support where the wife quit their job, raised the kids, and it's not going to be as easy for them to get back into the workforce as an independent,

whereas you don't have children, you don't have anything that's tying you together. There were two adults who met in their 30s, having lives before they ever met, established, and again, everything that Rachel gave to him seemingly should have helped his business. Now again, there's a lot of variables there, it all depends on how he utilizes that

or if he even gives a shit. And again, if he didn't wanna be a chiropractor, he didn't have to be a chiropractor. When Nellie got pregnant, Nellie loved her career as a surgical technician, loved, enjoyed going to work. She got pregnant and like, you know, still worked a little bit and just made less sense for her to like go back.

She hasn't gone back yet. She still might go back, but like she's had to make a sacrifice for our family. Now we're making it work. She's on the show, we get to work together. She's changed course, but like she's had to make a sacrifice. But like, what does Brian have to do? He's just like, he got to move to Beverly Hills.

And like that was a choice that he made in the relationship. And again, you would think that would only help whatever he wanted to do with his career. He has a famous celebrity wife for how many years that he could have, I'm sure, benefited from somehow. And yet he's just like throwing her name under the bus. I really feel for Rachel. Like, she's done nothing but be classy

through this whole divorce. And now she's like paying him tens of thousands of dollars throwing her name under the bus. I really feel for Rachel. She's done nothing but be classy through this whole divorce and now she's paying him tens of thousands of dollars a month, like $13,000 a month. For temporary. It's gross. 160,000. Then another 20,000 for legal.

So gross. She did say, our marital standard of living was nowhere near as glamorous as Byron portrays it to be. In fact, we rarely saw each other or even lived together during our brief marriage. So it's like- Even if that were the case, because basically he's like,

Rachel, my wife provided me this luxury lifestyle that I became accustomed to, and now I'm expecting her to maintain that quality of life. And it's like, you sound like a loser, Brian. Like, just do something. You know what else is giving loser energy? I don't know if y'all saw this or not, but there is this video on TikTok that's trending.

And it is this girl who went to another, a larger creator's birthday party. Oh yeah. Okay. And she went as a plus one. Okay. Okay. And she has like 60,000 TikTok followers

and this girl whose birthday party she went to has like two million. Okay. She was a fan of this creator and she posts a like, get ready with me. She like named the creator, like get ready with me to go to X, Y, and Z's birthday party. And then she goes to the birthday party

and takes video footage, leaves the birthday party, guess the next day she decides to make a TikTok explaining the birthday party. And she says- She showed up early. She says she left because it wasn't her vibe. She shows a video of- The vibes.

She shows the vibes and she puts the squeaky shoe sound like over it. So there was like four people in the video. And she was like, it was such a flop. Like I used to work for Bumble. I'm so used to going to these events where like there's open bar, there's food. They even will pay for your Uber.

And like when I got there, it wasn't any of those things. And it was- She was comparing it to like some sort of activation. Yeah, and it was like, no, this was just a girl's birthday party. She said I'm being canceled, but I don't know if she can be canceled when you don't. Then start.

Wait, yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, so, but she's- You buy flowers, go to a party, piss some people off, and then claim to be canceled. She's under a lot of fire right now because it's like, what the fuck? She bought followers. What the fuck do you think you're doing?

Like you are a plus one. Your job is not to like go and like have the best fucking time of your life. Your job is to go and support your friend who didn't want to go alone. You're the emotional support. That's your job. And so the fact that she like went and was like, this birthday party was such a fucking flop. It was like so boring. No one was there.

I was there for hours and hours and hours and like nobody showed up. And like it's the most bizarre thing I've ever heard in my life. And now she's like doubling down, being like, I got canceled for not having fun at a party. And she was on like TikTok live and this girl's- She's like Andrea from Love Island.

Oh no. This girl's fans are obviously like, what the fuck are you doing? Like a lot of people are responding being like, this is embarrassing. She seems random. You were a plus one. Yeah.

And she was getting, I guess, some hate on her Instagram or on her TikTok live. And the creator comes on and was like, hey, I've been trying to like DM you, will you please respond? And so then this girl then uses that against her. She's like, you saw your fans harassing me and you didn't stick up for me.

It's like, you made a video making fun of me first. And now you want me to stick up for you? Like, what do you think was gonna happen? You're like, it was my- I think she got exactly what she wanted. No, it was- Attention. Does she have more followers now?

Of course. I don't know. Honestly, I don't think she's- I don't know if I have any value, but I bet she does. No, I think honestly people are like, you are weird for this. Like this was really weird behavior. I think they're definitely calling her out,

but I think in the short run, they're definitely following her as a spectacle. Well, she is like posting non-fucking stop just now, like Halloween outfits from Sheen. At least, I will say in defense of this girl, if Brian, Rachel's ex, had the same type of work ethic this wannabe influencer had, then he maybe would have a successful chiropractor business.

Yeah, that's true. Where's the hustle, Brian? You know? It's just so, I think now, yeah, the debate is like, as a plus one, what is your job? Is it like, can you go as a plus one to someone's birthday party and like judge it? No.

No, because you weren't fucking invited. It's not your friend. We don't know you. First of all, maybe they wanted to, maybe that was the birthday party of their dreams. Low key, sparkles, lights, low energy. Maybe she's a little more introverted. Maybe she just wanted to be more intimate.

Maybe she wanted to be quiet. Maybe she was going for a different aesthetic, which was like, silence. Maybe it was just like, I she wanted to be quiet. Maybe she was going for a different aesthetic, which was like silence. Maybe it was just like, I wanna. Sound bad. You know? I wanna have a party where no one talks. Her forefriend and like the crickets, you know?

Like, I don't know, who fucking knows? It's not your fucking party. Like maybe she's a little introverted, you know? She was like, I was basing the vibes off of this flyer and she puts the flyer up on the screen and it's like, babe, she was just having fun on Canvop. I was basing the vibes off of this flyer and she puts the flyer up on the screen and it's like babe She was just having fun on cam pop What did she say she used to work at Bumble? Yeah emphasis on used to

That's all I gotta say. Emphasis on fucking used to and emphasis on here are my outfits from Sheen linked for Halloween Yeah, she's never gonna get a job. No Imagine interviewing that person and then like googling them and being like oh You were the plus one girl. It's like, why open your mouth? Can you imagine like, Oh, if I throw a shitty work event, like team outing. It's like not to your expectations. Like, fuck. Also imagine being her friend.

That's what I'm saying. It's embarrassing for her. That is like, I'm not friends with you anymore. Why would you do that to me? Like that is fucking crazy. Cause now her friend's never going to get invited anywhere. Invited to the party. Yeah. I would say it's embarrassing for her. That is, like, I'm not friends with you anymore. Why would you do that to me? That is fucking crazy. Because now her friend's never gonna get invited anywhere near. Invited to the party, yeah. Ugh, my god.

Well, speaking of parties, have you seen the Green Flag Red Flag Dating Party? No. So Heartland Ray on Instagram posted this party that her friends went to, and the party rules are red flag for a no, green flag for a go. And basically what happens is the girls are given flags and the guys are in suits and they have to come up to you

and like get your number and press you, do whatever they are to like get in your like vision and they can either red flag or green flag you off. No, this is terrible. It's just too much. It's too much, just go to a bar. We've gotten way too comfortable in society with embarrassing men.

We have, I'm sorry. Yeah, why do we need to wave a flag in the air? Like just say like, sorry, no, I don't remember. I will say there was one clip of like a guy dancing around her and she was like, no, red flag. I think men are a sucker for punishment and I think men sometimes don't mind being embarrassed. Why sign up for that?

Yeah, I guess if you have the choice to sign up for it, maybe you just love it, I don't know. But I do think we've gotten way too comfortable with society with embarrassing people. It is an interesting concept though, like for the females to have the power of like, okay, you're weird. Cause you're usually the one

that's in the position of being hit on. Do you need a flag for that? Can't you just? Well, sometimes they don't get the hit. That's true. Sometimes men don't get the fucking hit. You gotta wave the flag. Just start carrying a red flag around with me.

I have a boyfriend Remember one time my sister was at a bar and this guy came up to him He was like she was not it was not the vibe and he was like, what's your name? And she was like, I don't have one and he was like, all right That's a good one actually I used to do that I'll take a ring and put it on my Fucked that is so fucked up. We have to literally wear a fake ring on our finger to be like, don't come up to me, I'm taken.

Well, how are they supposed to know? That's with a red flag, green flag. No need for an explanation. If you, let's say you're single. I think somebody, if somebody didn't see Natalie's ring on her finger, they're blind. No, no, no, what I'm saying, some people, like, if you weren't married, you're saying for the women

who aren't married who like the rings. No, no, no, no, no, no. They do that so that you go, like, I remember I used to do it before I would like go to the grocery store, I'm like, I just don't wanna be fucking talked to. Yeah. And so you'd put on a fake ring, that's fucked.

Hold on. We're saying that going out to a bar or something. Yeah, as a single woman before you're married. Yeah, you put on a fake ring so that it's like, do not talk to me. Why is that fucked? I mean, all I keep hearing every time we have an ass no- why can't I meet anyone outside of dating apps? No guys ever come and approach me.

It's just like, which one do you want? Do you want to have your MeQ romcom where a guy takes a shot? Nine times out of ten, you're not going to want that guy to hit on you. But you know, what the fuck do you want? Well, I was just going to say, I'm like, that's not everyone's story though. I'm you, but you know, what the fuck do you want? Well, I was just gonna say, I'm like, that's not everyone's story, though. I'm like, for me, being single, I don't wanna be hit on. Some people very much wanna be hit on.

No, you're right. You know, everyone goes to the airport when you're single, and you get in the airplane, and you're like, for those few moments, you sit down, and you're just like, is the hottest guy on the plane gonna sit next to me, or the hottest guy? And then, it just never happens, right? Sure, it never fucking happens,

but we still wanna dream and we still wanna fantasize. And yes, most people who hit on us in public are not who we want to hit on us, but that's not, you know, no shit. That's fucking life. But like for that to happen, for your meet-cute of your dreams to happen, you have to be willing to be approached by, you know,

people you don't wanna go out with. Yes, they need to be respectful, they need to respect your nose, they need to like say, you know, hey, I don't have a out with. Yes, they need to be respectful, they need to respect your nose, they need to say, hey, I don't have a name. All right, fuck me, all right. But we can't get to a point where we make it a crime or cringe just to the simple idea to go up and approach a stranger and put yourself out there

and take a shot. No, you're right, you're right, you're right. Otherwise, we become a society of just fucking, talking to our fucking phones. Wear the ring if you're in a vibe where you're like, I just don't want I don't want to be talked to by anyone Or like it's kind of like wearing headphones when you're out in public You're like, I just don't want to be talked to by anyone But you should be open to people if you're if you're like in the market and you're looking don't close off that

Yeah, no, but I get it like guys are creepy and I understand that y'all probably all of you listening Ladies, you've all had a bad experience from guys who can't pick up cues. I understand that y'all, probably all of you listening, the ladies, you've all had a bad experience from guys who can't pick up cues, I understand that. But, oh, fuck. Like, no shit. If I just like the bar, maybe not the patrons. I'm like, hello, I'm taking, hello. You know, there's a million reasons to love Luke Holmes,

but I love him even more when I read this story. The loser of his fantasy football league, you know, Luke Holmes, country singer, like, is kind of a good old boy, you know, when he's not busy making mad tunes and selling. Uh-uh. What? Don't say that.

Making bad tunes? When he's not busy rocking and rolling on stage. When he's not busy making number one hits. Fine, and rocking and rolling. Mad tunes. Mad tunes is kind of cute though. Ew, that just gave me such an, eh. Eh.

It's giving sound clouds, you're right. I'll just go fucking. Luke Combs. Luke Combs. When Luke Combs is not busy making number one hits, he's hanging out with his boys, you know, fishing and just doing like, you know, friend shit and then he has his friends

who clearly don't have good voices that are afraid of like public speaking come up on stage in front of hundreds of tens of thousands of people or whatever. At his shows. At his shows to sing on stage as punishment for taking last in his fantasy football league, which I love.

That's funny. That's what makes country music great because you can kind of have those pauses where a country singer brings up their friend to embarrass himself and it's like, you can kind of roll with it. Because I don't know, it's like, you can kind of roll with it. Cause I don't know, it's like a family affair.

It's just made me like Luke Holmes that much more. It's funny cause this is next level bet where usually it's like the bar stage, right? Karaoke, but this is like the stage. Yeah, and I feel like if Harry Styles brought a friend out to embarrass himself at a concert, you'd be like, Harry, why are you, what? What's going on? That is true.

That's a good point. You know, but there's something about Luke Holmes doing at a country festival where it just like, it doesn't seem mean, it's just kind of funny because it's like guys just like, giving their boys a hard time. I just loved it. I wonder if Taylor Swift did it,

would the Swifties rip them apart? Or would it be like, aw? Oh, I don't know, I'd be scared. Yeah. Speaking of performances though, did you see that Kesha performed at Ola La Palooza? And when she did Backstabber, one of her songs, she didn't know that her prop knife was a real knife. Okay.

They lost it and they switched it out. Yeah. Yeah. Why are her... Why is her team like, what the fuck? Well, she said, so apparently the prop knife went missing and they replaced it with a real butcher knife stolen from the kitchen. I didn't know till now, so watch that again. And in the video, she's like waving it around, like pointing it at the dancers, like does not know. I feel like holding a real butcher knife

and a fake butcher knife, I feel like I would notice. I do too. Also, why do we need what? How real is this fake knife that it feels and has the density of a real one? Of a butcher knife. Also, why do we need a knife? Like, it's like just seeing the song.

Why do we need to? The song is called Backstabber. Sure, but why do we need a prop? Like we get it, Backstabber, sure. Why do you need to like have any? It's like. It's giving Britney spirit sexy, you know? Like I can dance and sing,

but I also have a knife in my hand. I mean, I guess, but also like, I feel like just having a weapon on stage isn't necessarily the vibe But it's a good point for anyone It was a prop it was supposed to be a prop even the prop though like imagine if it was a Gun like hello, we would be like whoa too fucking far. I Don't know but then Brittany brought out in a snake for like I'm a slave for you And that's a snake is different, I'm a slave for you and that's epic.

A snake is different than a like something who could kill someone. A snake is an animal. A reptile. What if that snake wrapped its little body around her little neck and that's what we watched. Sure, but what if Kesha is like, haha this is one of those push-in fake knives and I'm just gonna stab my little dancer and then a bleed out death is on the stage. That's why it's wildly. Why would you stab someone with a fake knife though? Well you have a point though, because you think it's a prop.

Exactly. That's why it's wildly irresponsible for whoever thought that it would be a smart idea to replace a fake prop with a real knife and not tell anybody. Yeah. That's insane. Who's coming forward with this story?

Kesha? Kesha tweeted it. Yeah. I trust Kesha. Welcome back Kesha. We really have missed you, but I feel like you just don't, you Kesha tweeted it. Yeah. I trust Kesha. Like welcome, welcome back Kesha. We really have missed you, but I feel like you just don't, you don't need it. You don't need, just use like yourself and the dancers and glitter. Yeah. We don't need like weapons on stage, fake or not. Okay. It did make me think of there's a video of Adele at her residency and she had, you know,

like the shirt guns, she had like a machine shirt gun, like I mentioned, like a giant one and like shot like multiple and everybody was like, like backing shirt guns? She had like a machine shirt gun. Like imagine like a giant one and like shot like multiple and everybody was like, like backing off. Cause it was like- Kind of scared. Imagine getting whacked in the face with one of those. Like a machine gun. Yeah.

Yeah. So. Well, just toss them, you know? Like why do we need like dangerous things? I don't know. Britney Spears does have a biopic coming. Oh, and I couldn't be more excited. All that really matters is who's gonna play Britney Spears.

No, but it's also the director, John M. Chu, did Crazy Rich Asians, Wicked, In the Heights, and then Mark Platt, who's producing it, did La La Land, also doing Wicked right now, so I'm like, it's gonna be- An anger. Is there anyone rumored to play? Not rumored, but people are saying like Sydney Sweeney, Sabrina Carpenter, Kesha was one of them that they threw around.

Is Kesha an actor? She's made appearances, but she's like a singer I think first. Sydney Sweeney would be good. Potentially. Why not Brittany herself? Let's bring her out of the boondocks. Zaila Murray. I want to see like introducing like someone who's really like been working hard, really incredible actor. Maybe you don't know of them quite yet.

Like this is their big performance. It's just kind of like Sydney Sweeney is almost too famous right now to play Britney Spears. I agree. Sabrina Carpenter, let Sabrina Carpenter be Sabrina Carpenter. Well it is interesting too, because I remember I had an issue with the casting

for the Amy Winehouse biopic that came out and then apparently it's Phenomenal, huh? It came out. It came out. Yeah, why isn't that more popular? I heard it wasn't that good Okay, I heard that it was like I heard it was a misrepresentation in some instances of like addiction and stuff Oh, well, that's why I didn't want to watch it I don't like biopics that are like in that genre because I'm just like I don't want to watch somebody suffer for two hours But like I love her music, happy for her, but I think unhappy for the actress that got to play her, but I didn't like it originally

from just the leaked photos. That's why it's kind of important, casting, because I want to watch somebody and be like, that is Britney, even if it's like, I know that somebody else, I want to watch it and get lost in the sauce. If they're too famous, it's like... You're like, well, that's Sidney Sweeney pretending

to be Britney Spears. That's true, that's so true. And apparently the Bob Marley one too was really, really good too. I haven't seen that. I heard that one was good. Yeah, and he actually looks like him. Pamela Anderson had one too. That was supposed to be good.

The Marilyn Monroe one. But that's why it's so important, the casting is just so important. I wonder who's casting it. Maybe we could slide into their DMs and give them our two cents. Hey, we have some thoughts. Whoever's casting Love Island needs to slip over there.

Truly. That's how we would spice it up. Things are going kind of crazy in Love Island world. I feel like Andrea is really taking some heat. And you know, the finger guns are a little much, but I don't feel like it's all deserved. The, is Rob a good kisser? Yes.

Ah! Why is she doing that? I just think she's a silly goofy girl and she's just trying to show that silly goofy side. It is kind of random though, because I thought she fizzled out a little bit, you know? Like people weren't talking about her, but then like her storylines are now back at the forefront.

Everyone thought, and I'm not trying to be mean, but everyone thought she fizzled out, except for Andrea. Do we think it's because Rob's doing his press tour and everyone's like, what do you think of, or like what's going on? And he was like, well, until I saw that she's really talking a lot in all of her lives and all of her.

I honestly feel for her, her experience is to go on this show and she was only there for four days, but she had quite the exit. This very, at the time, controversial where she was like, when it happened, this was before PPG really was PPG. We were still kind of falling in love with characters

and yeah, we loved Serena, we loved Janae, we loved Leah, but we didn't love them, love them like we love them now. And at the time we were all kind of like, it was a little fucked, you know? Like I get it, like I think we said like, hey, you know, if I were those women, I would totally get it. But Andrea has a right to be upset, right? So we all made a big deal about it.

Is she gonna like stick with Rob? Is she gonna like, is she gonna have a chance with Rob? And like we had her on, we asked her that question. she's like, well, you know, we'll see, but clearly, what's like two weeks for her, you know those movies and time travel, or space travel, someone goes to space and they're gone for two days, but the rest of the world is like,

it's been 10 years or some shit? That's what it's like on reality TV. So for Andrea, it was like two and a half, three weeks, if she's just waiting for Rob to get out of the villa. So for Andrea, it was like two and a half, three weeks, if she's just waiting for Rob to get out of the villa. Meanwhile, for the rest of the cast in the villa, light years, you know? It's not even the same fucking decade for them.

And so she's on this fucking live, she's doing her thing, she's just trying to stay relevant, which I guess I get, but just way overplaying her hand, so much so that when she gets out, the rest of the cast, who like just over way overplaying her hand so much so then when she gets out the rest of the cast who is just like Forgot Andrea was even on the show Rob was like, oh wait. Yeah, I did make out with you Meanwhile, he's had sex and made out with 13 other women since you know, and she's just like hey Rob waiting for you See, we still have a thing like, you know, it's like it's apples and oranges she's like she's like literally in a different universe than these other

characters. And I kind of feel for like, she was how was she supposed to know? She just kind of overplayed her hand a little bit. People are also taking some of the stuff she did say in the villa and stuff she said on like after shows and podcasts and really like using them against her now. And she posted a response and said, I have a lot to speak on this, but I'm tired of everyone bringing things up and misconstruing my words from podcasts I did over a month ago in lives

when I was just answering fan questions. I have no animosity. She called us fans. She did. Damn. We are. I have no animosity towards anyone. And the whole Miguel thing was only because

all of the guys told me he was going after me. And at the time I really liked Rob and didn't want to entertain Miguel if he was interested and waste both of our times. He wasn't even with anyone at the time or pursuing anyone. I should have worded it differently and humbled myself so I apologize for the way it sounded but I was still upset at the time for them voting me out for the wrong intentions so I was saying why I didn't want to chat. I haven't spoken down on any of them. I've supported him and Leah together so much

since leaving the show. So everyone needs to stop. Who, Rob and Leah? I think Miguel and Leah. Yeah. Since leaving the show, so everyone needs to stop reaching, not addressing anything else until the reunion, moving with love.

And she did delete that. So she posted it and then deleted it. Why do we think she deleted it? I think the PPG is gonna be coming for the reunion. Oh yeah. Yeah, I would definitely be scared of Serena for sure. And I think Rob too. Like I feel like the conversations that are going to happen between Rob and Andre are

going to be a little uncomfortable. Well, I think Rob needs to be careful. I think honestly, Rob is the one person that could get Andre back on the people's good side. I think Rob is teetering with his popularity a little bit. His association with Aaron, you know, like, yeah, you know, the whole, you know, Leah has since unfollowed him. Like, is he a fuck boy? Is he not a fuck boy? Like, I don't think he has the universal support that like Leah and the rest of the PPG has. And I think if, if think of Rob comes

to the reunion and like talks down to Andrea and and kind of makes her seem like she's foolish or dumb for waiting for him, I almost feel like the tides could turn in her favor. I think if the PPG goes after Andrea, then she's done. It just kind of depends, because I feel like Rob's already said things in interviews being like, oh, I was turned off by this in some words or, in other words.

Well, but I didn't see those interviews. I don't know specifically about what Rob said, but like team Andrea there, like you let her on, you made her, what was she supposed to think? Again, I don't know what she said about the PBG. I'm just talking about her alleged connection, whether she's waiting or not waiting for Rob. He said that he reached out to her,

like after he got out of the villa to reconnect and then he started seeing the clips coming through and he was like, I wasn't looking for them. So then I realized that it was a lot of clips. No, I get that. So I'm like, it weirded him out a little bit. But I'm like, I think the only way that people would turn on Rob is if Rob defended Andrea in between PPG. At the reunion.

Yeah. Or if he's just mean to her. Yeah. If he kind of goes after Or if he's just mean to her. Yeah. If he kind of goes after her and makes her look, and tries to make her look dumb. Because then he takes the blame in that sense. Yeah, then he'll just look like a fucking dick for leading her on. All I can say is I am very excited for this reunion. Did you all see Robyn Anessa Barrett's music video?

I did. He was smooching up on her. It was kind of hot. It was like what, day three out of the villa? He was like, you know know Nessa was watching Love Island and she was like, he's hot, let's get him in the music video. Oh, she's a huge reality TV fan. Yeah, and the chemistry was off the charts.

So like, I wonder if there's anything there. Or she was like, he can kiss up on any woman in the villa, might as well just have him kiss up on me. Yeah, he was kissing up on everybody. So she's like, who would be the most comfortable least awkward Rob? That's true. But also maybe they're fucking did you see Nicole's post? Yes, we did To read it out read it

She said some of you have noticed that it had been quiet and not posting much So just wanted to provide an update while love Island was an amazing experience things have not been easy since leaving the villa There's much more to share on what has happened since coming home and for now I've been taking my time to process. These are real feelings in my real life thanks for understanding love y'all." And this is after like everybody's been hanging out in like LA without her and she hasn't really been posting and like they she's not seen with Kendall like Kendall came here by herself not with Nicole we weren't offered that so yeah I'm excited to hear more from Nicole.

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still continues to ruin people's lives. If you were genuine, you would reach out on a personal level but instead you post it for attention and relevance. And she ate. Who? She definitely ate, but who the fuck is Victoria Lee? Santa Falls girlfriend. I know, no I know.

But like- That's true, you have a good point because she's kind of equivalent to Raquel. And you're literally trying to get shit from, you're commenting on a TMZ post. Where does she comment? Yeah. You're commenting on a TMZ post Yeah, you're commenting on a TMZ post So it's kind of giving the same energy that is true. Yeah

She's allowed to have her man's back in TMZ comments, but she was talking about Jax It is weird cuz Victoria doesn't know Jax like in the public reality sphere. Victoria doesn't know Raquel either None of us know Victoria, but she's closer to Raquel than she is to Jax to comment. It's just, I would understand, listen, I am all for standing up for your man, supporting your man. I try to come for him, and bitch, you have to come through me. But Raquel wasn't talking about Sandoval.

If it was a statement about Sandoval, and she was like, you know what, I've had enough. Shut the fuck up. Who the fuck are you? This is enough. I get that. But she's talking like, you know what, I've had enough. Like shut the fuck up, who the fuck are you? Like this is enough. I get that. But she was talking about Jax. No, I get it. No, she wasn't really, no, she was talking about herself.

She was using Jax as a platform to talk about herself. Raquel was. Raquel. What was Raquel's original statement? But what Natalie's saying is that Raquel's talking about Jax, she's not talking about Sandoval, so why does Victoria feel inclined to comment on a comment that Raquel made about Jax? Raquel's original post... Let me try to guess. Wait,

can I hear Raquel's original post? Yes. Okay, so the crux of it is, I'm deeply saddened to hear of Jax's mental health struggles, and I wholeheartedly support his decision to seek treatment. I pray that his news is met with the open-mindedness that minds lacked as I face mockery and accusations of simply being in a spa. I hope he finds a healing that I did through my own journey. Again, so it wasn't about Jax. She was using the news about Jax to like, talk about her own experience

and continue to victimize herself during this whole experience in which she's actually been the attacker, the aggressor and ruining people's lives and ruining Ariana's life. And I know most of us don't care about Tom's life, but like also ruining Tom's life and just being really fucking messy.

So I get it. I get why she is inclined to speak out about someone who's probably just ruined. Like, you know. I think she was just looking for a reason to have her name in some headlines. Thank you. And this was her open door.

I think it would have made a little bit more sense. I mean, they're obviously separate, but for Brittany to be like, don't speak on, like, we're separated and we're going through divorce, but you have no fucking right to say his name. Victoria? It's kind of- What are you, babe, are you lost? It's kind of giving Victoria and Sandoval, we're talking about this behind doors, and then she saw one post and was like,

I need to say something. It's like, we don't know enough about Victoria. We don't really know who she is. And she was like, you know what, let me just like, show the people who I am. I don't know, Raquel's been so horrible and so off-putting and so just reckless with other people's lives that I honestly,

glad she said something. But this has nothing to do with Sandoval or Victoria. Yeah, it's a little weird. That would be like Natalie commenting on one of your exes for like, because like, you know what I mean? Not even because they mentioned you, but like mentioned. The whole situation is weird. It's just weird, yeah.

Yes, of course it's weird. This whole story is insane. But Sandoval's girlfriend of what, four months, five months is like, her Instagram's private. I'm not saying it was the classiest move, and yes, you know, but I'm just. No, I'm just saying it's out of place. It doesn't.

Like you are doing this to put your name, you're doing this so that headlines will say, Victoria Lee, Tom Sandoval's girlfriend, responds to Raquel. That's why you're doing it. You're doing it so people are like, oh, hell yeah, Victoria, get her, girl, hell yeah. That's why you're doing it. You're doing it's people like oh hell. Yeah, Victoria get her girl. Hell. Yeah, that's why you're doing it You're not like you're not doing it for any other reason

Nick does have a point though It does include her indirectly because Rock hell was posting about something that affected sandable like the mental health part of it How did that affect sand of like she was a rehab and like in love with her? And again, I don't know if people believe Tom's reason for not suing Ariana But just a couple weeks ago was like national news that Tom for not suing Ariana, but just a couple weeks ago, it was like national news that Tom was allegedly suing Ariana. We found out days later that Tom saying, it was like, hey, my lawyer gave me some lawyer talk.

I said, sure. Turns out like apparently that meant I was going to sue Ariana. I don't want to, blah, blah, blah. He fired his lawyer. And you can decide whether you believe that story or not. I actually think it's kind of believable. I believe that.

And so those two, Tom and his, what's her name? Victoria. Victoria. Had to delete their Instagrams because they were being fucking bombarded. Victoria's been private for how long? She didn't have to delete her. She did it for the publicity stunt. No one was on her page, she's private.

I do agree with that part. I'm not saying she's like some victim that needs all our remorse. I'm just saying in the world where it's Victoria versus Raquel, I'm team fucking Victoria. That's all I'm saying. Of course, but what we're just saying is that the whole thing, it's like that would be like Dan

after the whole Sandoval thing came out, Ariana's boyfriend commenting on like Sandoval's post being like, what a douche. Like it's just so unnecessary, so extra. And you're not adding to anything. Victoria's not involved at all. It's fine, but what are we debating here? That Tom's new girlfriend isn't above the fray

and isn't so classy that like she doesn't want to immerse herself in the drama. Of course, of course that's not who she is. I think I'm just saying this news headline gave Victoria exactly what she was looking for. Sure. She wasn't doing it to have Jack's tailors back. Yeah, okay. She did it for herself. Yeah.

But I still, to her comments, say I agree. Interesting. What did we? Well, Brittany Cart, right? Yeah. Is spotted out with a new guy. Tanner. Interesting. Well, Brittany Cart, right? Yeah. Is spotted out with a new guy. Connor. Tanner.

Tanner? Oh, shit. Tanner Cortod. Connor, Tanner, honestly, what's the fucking difference? Wait. Yeah. Is that our guy? Yeah, that's our friend.

That's our friend. Who thinks we... Oh, great. I love that. That's what I thought was so random. Interesting. Okay, thank you. Because I was like, the guy you were talking about, like last week, is now having spotted out with Brittany.

Well, turns out, well, the... Turns out we are going to actually have to talk about him now. Yeah. Oh, redemption. Oh, and so by the way, Tanner, if you find yourself on next season of The Valley as Brittany Cartwright's new kind of love affair. Like, I apologize in advance. It's not, yeah. It's not personal. We also don't know that they're dating.

I just appreciate Tanner for being involved. Wait, how do we, wait, was he just, yeah. It's because of like- Wait. No, no, I have a couple questions. I do know a lot of Bachelor people are friends with Brittany and they do like these, you know, Tom Schwartz is doing these like watch parties and some Bachelor people are going,

some Valley girls are going and like, were they like spotted arms around each other, kissing, cuddling, anything, or were they just like in the same group? So that's the thing, it's like multiple events. It's been Brittany and Tanner next to each other like really close. At Jack's bar. Like Jack's, Bachelor watch parties,

like different events. Events and- So people are speculating that because in every photo they're next to each other that it's like there's something there. Is Jack's tailor being cuckled at his own bar and is that why? He's not in these photos.

Also Zach posted and he was like, my crew and it was like Tanner and Brittany and one more of them. Yeah, where are these romance rumors coming from? Are they just hanging out? It's photos. It's photos. Of them doing what? Just being them. Yeah, where are these romance rumors coming from? Are they just hanging out? It's photos. It's photos. Of them doing what?

Just being together. Close, standing next to each other. None of them had said anything publicly, so. So we don't know. We don't know. I feel like this is great for Brittany. Yeah, I'm really happy for her. Tanner seems Tanner.

You seem like a very sweet guy. Good looking. You seem, I feel like you were very nice on Bachelor in Paradise. I don't think there was no bad things to say. I don't know. If anything a little boring. If anything a little boring, which is great.

I love. What's a great character trait. A good man needs to be a little boring. Boring, boring, I want you boring. I don't want you wanting to go out all the time. If you're performing, we're not interested. Yes. We don't need a performer.

We want a little boring. So I love, Jax Taylor is a performer. So I would love this for Brittany. Yeah, she could be the star and like be appreciated for like what she brings to the table, not be put down for what she's lacking according to Jax. Good for her. I would be scared to go against Jax though.

Why? That man, scary. First of all, he's not in any of those photos because he is in a mental facility. That is true. That's why he is not there. of those photos because he is in a mental facility. That is true. That's why he is not there. All he's gonna do is take off his shirt and run up to you and chest bump you.

That's it. That is true, yeah. He said, do you wanna go, bro? And then he'll take off his shirt and hug you. Actually. But then he'll start rumors that will ruin your life. He runs straight into the arms of the security guard that's blocking.

Right, right, right. He's like, no, come here, just hold on. Yeah. Catch me. Are we fighting or are we just like? A little ballet. Well, I think that about does it for Household Headlines. Up next, Johnny Lowe is here.

He's got his new show, Unstable, season two. Well, it's on, what's new his show. But season two is out anyways. He's here to talk about that. He's here with us to talk all things Bachelorette. It's gonna be wild. Up next. There's a with us to talk all things Bachelorette. It's gonna be wild. Up next.

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promo code V I A L L. How are you doing? I'm good, man. I'm, I'm happy to be here. I've just done quite a bit of these types of things but this one is special to me. We're just hanging out. We're just hanging out. I actually haven't seen you in a few months. I know this is how we have... That's what I said when you walked in. I was like you just don't... No, no, no. It's our fault.

See, I told her I said I'm gonna flip this on you. It was definitely... Oh, it's our fault, okay. Well, I mean, like we have been kind of busy, like Johnny couldn't make it to the wedding. So I guess in a way his fault, but like also... Out of the country, out of the country. Yeah, it's like...

Just like a vacation out of the country or? I was on a vacation. But then we had a baby, well, then we had the baby, then we had the wedding. Anyways, it's been a little biz and like Johnny has reached out and I'm like, yeah, come over. We're just like hanging out with our kid. And Johnny's like, yeah, I'll let you know. Should I bring mine or so I have to like hold her or like, I think it's fine. I'm great with kids. Are you really good with kids? Yeah.

My middle school summer job was giving piano lessons to kids. So. Piano lessons? Yeah. Awesome. What a heartthrob. You should put that in your dating bio. You should.

Give piano lessons on my free time to kids in need. And we're right into it, baby. Hell yeah. Yeah. Are you dating? Aggressively. I did not say that. Am I dating? What even is dating? Aggressively. I did not say that. Am I dating?

What even is dating? You know what I mean? Who knows? Are you going on dates? With some baddies. That sounds like a fucking What is even dating? What is dating? Are your DMs open? No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

No. No. That's A younger version of me would say yes, but that feels scary to me these days. When someone DMS you, you play back not open. I stop writing. Someone DMS me. I block them. I'm like, get out of here. My take kind of is like, I look, I mean, I wouldn't say universally any that answer is completely true, but for the most part, I'm like, if you are DMing me, I question your judgment where I'm like, why would you want to DM me? You know what I mean? It's that there's a famous quote I forget who said it of like, if somebody invites me

into a club, I questioned why the club wants me. Yeah, no, some sort of imposter syndrome. Yes, it's a self-deprecated- To get that from being an epo baby. Yes, let's just knock all of the big hits out of the way.. Yes, it's a self-deprecating. Did you get that from being a nepo baby? Yes, let's get all of the big hits out of the way. So like how's your dad doing? In the first part, yeah. Do you guys do any pranks together? Let's just get it out of the way, John. How much of the show is scripted? Yeah, is any of it just improv? Yeah, I think it's because I'm a nepo baby. I did say I'm proud of myself

I said we did an interview magazine thing and I Accidentally stumbled my way into the phrase nepo maybe and I like that now. I feel like I'm proud of myself. I said we did an interview magazine thing and I accidentally stumbled my way into the phrase nepo maybe and I like that now. I feel like I'm a nepo maybe because I think a lot of them have two famous parents. I'm trying to at least, what am I saying? I had many, yeah now I need to do my plug which is I've had so many doors open for me and I'm grateful. I don't think you have to, I think you need just, I think you should say I did all my, I think I did this in spite of my father.

Nick is, yeah, Nick is pro-NEPO. Pro-NEPO baby. You're pro-NEPO baby? Yeah, this is a safe space. I actually, you know, your dad has had, you know, the occasional every once in a while bad press that you clearly have had to overcome. Yes, that is very true.

You know, it's like, oh God, oh it's from little son of a gun. He's not unproblematic, that's for sure. My most honest take, I'll try to give you like even more, what's the transparent than anything I've said before, is like, yes, I look, I'd be lying if I didn't say I wasn't aware of like doors opened for me. And there is a ton of privilege. That being said, you do feel like you have to work twice

as hard at times because people are like, oh, he's just here because of his last name. You don't, I don't care who your parent is. You don't actually make it in Hollywood if you don't have talent. You don't. I know a lot of people with famous parents and they're not exactly a writer or an actor

on a second season of a Netflix scripted series. There's not. That's in the top 10. That's in the top 10. In the top 10. Small plot. We're talking about on the table.

Unstable season two. Yeah, you don't get to that level just because you have famous parents. You might get in the door, you might get an agent, you might get a manager or two, you might get a couple of general meetings, but that's all you'll get. That's honestly incredibly astute.

That is a great, because you, by the way, will get a lot of those things. Well, it's the same as being a reality TV star. You get incredible access and you get zero credibility. It's just like, you'll get in the door, but they'll be like, I'm only here because of, you're only here because of this.

You feel the judgment in the room. So whether you're a reality TV star or your parents are famous celebrities, you actually feel the judgment and you have to overcome the judgment and you have to prove yourself. But yes, you get access. And access is super beneficial and incredibly important, most of which people don't get, but you still have to outwork people. But even for you, and it might be the same for Nepo kids, but this is basically what you just said, but the longevity is the part that you don't get gifted, essentially. And you look at the people that have been on the reality shows and had their moments,

and even these people, my roommate's watching Love Island right now, and so I pop my head into it. Are you not? I'm totally, I know what happens, but I'm not like, I wouldn't know them by name except for a few of them, but I had never watched it until this season. I had never seen it before. It's a lot of people.

Is that, why is the season blowing up? What do you make of that? Excellent casting, excellent characters. Ariana. Oh, Ariana got people watching, but I mean, no disrespect to Ariana. Ariana maybe got a handful of Bravo people to tune in. No, the cast carried for sure.

The cast carried. And I think it's just, they were authentic. You believed that, you know, everyone's there obviously to get the followers and the fame. You don't go on reality TV nowadays without having it being interested in that. But the people there, you could tell that lost themselves in the show.

And like you were getting authentic reactions. And I think people read that. I love your take on reality TV so much. It's always the most like honest and unfiltered. Where you're like, look, they're there to get famous and followers. At this point, would you show up? Like if you show up for reality TV for just love, you're crazy. Okay.

But then here's my question. Here's my burning question is like watching The Bachelorette. They constantly talk about they use this phrase all the time like Right, Reem. Your husband is in this room. And she's like I believe like my soul partner is in this room. They say it so much and as a normal human watching it, I love it. I'm there for entertainment value.

But I do kind of, when they say that stuff, I'm like, just don't say that part. No, I know, I actually didn't. I remember they kept telling me on my season, like, or you should say that you believe that your wife's in this room, I will not say that. I'm pretty sure I did not say that. I really fought them on that.

But like- Can we make sure that when this airs, we find the clip of him saying that? And play it right after. I wouldn't bet my life on it, but I know I've fought them on that. Can we make sure that when this airs, we find the clip of him saying that? I wouldn't put my life on it, but I know I've thought them hard. I feel like I guess I could see my future. I might have said something like I could see my future. There it is, there's a backtrack.

Or something. We got her. Walk it back. But it was so, look, it is, it's a dumb as fucking thing, but they're obsessed with that line. The producers are obsessed with you. It's like. And by the way, I don't blame anybody on the show for saying the things that they say

because I'm sure there's a ton of pressure for them to be someone with like a mic or a clipboard is right next to them being like, say this thing and you'll get screen time or whatever, I don't know. They've also, you can tell now they've watched every episode of every past season, every contestant is such a fan and it's like they have the script in front of them.

And so it's like, okay, and at this point, you give your sob story, okay, and at this point, you say you're falling in love, and at this point, you say someone's not here for the right reasons, and at this point, it's just like so scripted and it's the same every season. I know, and as great as last week's episode was, I thought this week's was equally as-

Boring. Boring and terrible. But before we get into the Basherite, Johnny, are you watching the Olympics? Yes, I'm watching the Olympics. Did you see the pole vaulter whose cock was so huge that he didn't qualify for the finale, final? Did I see it? In the pole vault? Did I see it?

By the way, that is gotta be the best way to lose ever, ever. Would you rather win an Olympic medal, an Olympic medal, you'll have it for the rest of your life or have the entire world know how big your cock is? I'm thinking not medal. Oh shoot, it's such a good question. Cause like me being like an analytically minded person. I'm like I thought you're gonna be like for me me someone with a

Yeah, can you imagine like I'm sitting here take the metal yeah I'm like, hey man, this question doesn't really mean Like there's no good way to talk about your your penis, but I also look I think there isn't Yeah, there really isn't cuz if you're like yeah, and it's so big it's like Yeah, like you don't need to be projecting like why you being a douchebag? Average it's this is that it's like what is going on and then you can't yeah I don't know if this povot or he's French by the way I don't know if he's what's his relationship status, it's that. It's like, what is going on? And then you can't, yeah, you can't. I don't know if this povletor, he's French, by the way. I don't know what's his relationship status,

but I hope he's single. Do you? Oh my God. Like, imagine every date he's ever gone on, it's like, oh, like, so you were in the Olympics? Like, yeah, it's like, well, did you medal? It's like, no. But you should watch the clip.

Really? It's like, what happened? Well, it's just, oh, you're here. Oh, oh, oh. Yeah, it was a really traumatic experience. And like, I honestly, like, I have a lot of trauma. I have a lot of trauma from it. I just like, nothing can really make me feel better about the situation.

She's like, well, you know. But even in that situation you just described, you are kind of just saying, I have a huge dick. You're not even, that's not like. But that's not like- But that's the most humble way to talk about your giant cock. Especially because there's video footage. Yeah, it's recorded.

And it's the reason you- Like I'm just really uncomfortable talking about it actually, there's video- Lots of uses. But I'm sure there's a lot of guys that have video footage of their big dicks anyway. Cause they don't need to be on there. Yeah, but they always like,

in the frupious way. They're like, here's a mirror selfie of me and you. Yeah, yeah, it's a little different than losing gold, but they're like, hey, this is me in my bathroom mirror. Like, if you need to see it. Like, I hear it. I got proof. He made it over the pole,

and the only thing that caught the pole was his cock and balls. Do we think it's a setup? Do you think he got himself a little hard before? What it? The adrenaline. That's the adrenaline. Oh my gosh.

It doesn't matter. I don't care if... Well, that's just a debate of whether he's a show or a grower. Either way, the thing is a giant hook. Oh my god. Do you think that hobaulters have fluffers beforehand? They're like, come on man. Why don't they have cups? Yeah, actually that's a great question.

I mean, they definitely will now. I don't think most guys Junk is that big where it becomes an obstruction. Mmm, but is there a question? Cira's surprisingly quiet over there. He's watching the video on repeat He does appear to be single he does He does have a hundred and thirty thousand followers now I wonder why his comments are in like the 900s and thousands. So people are flooding. Yeah.

Okay, so he'll get an agent soon. He'll have access. He'll be signed to UTA. He won't, yeah. He's gonna be paired with the Hawk to a girl. That is the best I didn't win a medal story of all time. Oh, that is really good. But to answer your question, I think,

I feel like I'd take the medal. You have to say that. And here's why. Well, let me just at least tell you why. Because- My dick's big enough. What? Can you imagine?

I'm like, let me tell you why. Cause my dick's fucking big, man. And here's the dick. That's the sound bite you cut for this thing is just without context. Like that one. Oh no. No, but think about, I mean I am not...

Same as actor's son. Secret following goes up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I need. I'm here guys. I'm here for the followers and the fame. So... Why would you pick the medal? Because I think, imagine how many years of his life he's devoted to this

thing. Like, I, at the end of the day... How old is he? If you're in the Olympics for anything you've spent so much time doing it I feel like it's definitely a loss 21 it's only 21 so in four years he'll be 25 I might take the big picture imagine the next Olympics when he's about to compete everyone's is gonna be like That's gonna be the most watched penis of all time All eyes will be on his cock. Did he win anything? Did he get like no it stopped him from making the finals He was eliminated. I don't know eliminated. Mm-hmm. Have we taught has anyone talked to him?

Should we get him on the side? Has he done an interview? Get him on the pod. We made attempts, but I don't like I don't I don't even know if he speaks English I don't so much just have him come in the pole vaulting shorts later. Yeah, it's like we just want to see his dick Hey, man, we yeah, you reach out like we're just gonna be super transparent. We're not gonna ask you any questions Yeah, we want your dick on the pod. We don't want to know anything about you. Show her a grower, that's it. We got one question. Just science, it's just like, you can like, sign work.

You do have a point though that it's like, he came here for the Olympics, and like, that was the one moment to prove like, that talent. Yeah. Any other day he can prove like, down below, you know? Let me, and on top of that, I'll add this, and I guess I could pose this to the women in the room, but like, a big dick is is like being maybe a nepo baby It gets doors open for you, but you have to do more than just have a big dick I believe

I think if you want to like back me up on this I think honestly big dicks are scary like I think honestly big dicks are scary like Yeah, no, listen, I think like crazy big dicks are scary. Pole grabbing hook, pole vault ruining career. Correct, those are scary for a woman because you're like, that's gonna, I have to A, put that in my mouth, no thank you, or B, has to like go inside me. No. Thank you also You know, but like with you

He's like next Next like I'm meddling I'm meddling everyone here's meddling This is like too big You've been looking at it for ten minutes. Oh my god. That's brutal. Does his look too big? Whose? You've been looking at it for 10 minutes. Oh my God, no, I've been reading the stories about it. I'm not looking. She's on Pinterest.

She's here. Just, no, that's my new board. She's over there going like this. She's on Etsy. Ah. That's terrible. That's terrible. Oh, God.

Well, what is your favorite going to book sport? Other than pole vaulting, what have you been watching? Yeah, other, I mean, it's been hard to peel my eyes away from pole vaulting. I'm a huge fan of ping pong. I love Olympic ping pong. It is so cool. But I mean, these are like discoveries for me.

I didn't like come into the Olympics being like, can't wait to see ping pong. It came on and I was like, this is incredible. I mean, swimming is the obvious answer. I think that's how we felt about archery. Whoa. When we started watching the archery one, we were like, wait, kind of fucked.

We tuned in, it was the finals of China versus South Korea and boy was it a finale for the agents. Yeah, it was electric. I gotta go watch the highlights. I like the shooting one. The guy from Turkey. The guy who's so gangster. Yeah, everyone else in the sharp shooting contest has all the

sights and all the gear and he's out there like as if he just got done like killing someone. I was like, yeah, I could. I don't know if it's real or not, but I read some like lore about him that they said like he was like, everyone else is talking about how much work they put into it. And he was like, I got into shooting because I got divorced and he's like I just want to see my kids again I'm not getting X is like you have to win an Olympic medal if you want to be something like that We're like in the interview about getting silver. He's like he's like shout out to my ex-wife like I'd like to see my kids Yeah, how can you turn that in we made that up he's Turkish Yeah. How can you turn that down?

Maybe we made that up. He's Turkish. Yusuf? He's Turkish. Yeah. Anyway, that was badass. That was cool. What else do I like?

Gymnastics? I'm not, yeah. For sure, go off. Why do the men's of gymnastics on the floor not perform the music? What is that? It is interesting. They just do tumbling passes and they do like a dainty little spin to get into their next position for the tumbling pass.

Why can't we just have music? Why is it is music too feminine for the men's gymnastics? I don't understand. Why can't we bring a creative spin to it? It's just like, no music. We just got to do flips. But yet they kind of do like they tumble out of their things and they kind of do like a dainty turn. And so if you can do that turn, why can't we play some Drake?

Mm. You know? Some mad tunes. Yeah, that makes sense. That's a good take. I like that take. Or Kendrick Lamar. So it says, have one country do Kendrick Lamar,

have the other country do Drake. Ratings. Whose side are you on? Yeah, whose side are you on? So men's floor routines were expected to emphasize strength instead versus like the movement and the flow. Are they saying the women are weak because they have music?

What the fuck? What the fuck? I think it's just a standards thing. I think they should change the standards. I was watching the men's floor and I was like, I don't like We're kind of bored, right? Suni Lee's music, when she, again, back to what I was saying, when she took bronze, was it bronze in the all around?

That was one of the most inspiring motivational routines I had seen. Also- This is modern feminism right now from Nick Clow. But I'm being serious. It was like you got off your seat and you're like, fuck yeah. And like Simone's was equally as great.

Well, the women's like floor, their choreographer is so much better than all the other countries. Like there were some other countries where it was like they were doing like like electric house and it was like it's not giving motivation. I don't know. I liked the like Germany. What are you doing? I don't know. Like underground rave. No, literally it was it was like and then Suni Lee came out. I was like this is how you fucking do this shit. I don't know if it was Germany. I might be stereotyping the Germans. I'm sorry if it was Germany. I also might've been Germany. I liked the guy they brought in on the men's team

to do the pommel horse. Yeah. But where it was like a ringer situation. Like you bring him in for one thing. And then I watched it and the commentators were like, like they're basically like, oh, if you're going to be a, if you're going to get brought in for one event,

you have to fucking crush that one thing. And then he got on and they're like, he's doing it. He's doing it. It was the, they made me hype for it. I have obviously no idea All the commentators from the obscure sports you've never watched before and they're just like this is the most amazing thing ever seen you're like I don't know what I'm watching. Fuck. Yes. I know he did this one thing on the Pummel horse, I guess it's called re and then the conter's like, oh he like slipped a move there That's gonna cost him a point

I'm like don't say that we don't know we don't know He just flipped in the air five thousand times and landed on his feet what's costing him a point It's because he took a little step to the side. He took a tiny little baby step Okay, anyways the Bachelorette Bachelorette Who's your least favorite guy? Oh God, well, I'm, there's the one, yeah, let me see. Oh my God. I, ha ha.

There's the one? This is the name database. Yeah. Okay, wait, so this guy, am I allowed to say things that happened on that episode that I watched? This guy got eliminated. I thought it was funny, Thomas N. I did think it was funny how he kept managing

to never have time with her. He was so into the notion of I'm here for the right reasons, I just want a connection. And then he was never with her. So I don't know if he's my least favorite. He was definitely my least favorite. I think he was Jen's least favorite too. I got a laugh out of that guy. He was there for the boys for sure. For sure. And then this Devin character seems to be very polarizing, but I don't have an issue with the way he moves. What do you think about Sam M?

Sam N. Oh, that- M, right next to Devin. Oh, that guy, people don't like that guy, I think. Or Sweet Talker. Did y'all realize that the, I saw someone put it together on one of the socials, but he, the like, you bother me, it's from one of the socials, but he, they're like,

you bother me. It's from The Choice. What's The Choice? What's The Choice? The Nicholas Sparks movie. It's super underrated. It's not clear. Yeah, clearly.

But apparently Sam M has watched it. And he's like, I want you to bother me for the rest of your life. And it's like, that's the whole bit. He's like, you bother me, you bother me. Of course he read a fucking obscure Nicholas Sparks fucking movie. Yeah, he didn't read it.

He didn't read it. He watched the movie. And then he was like, that is a good line. And he went into the Bachelorette and he's like, you bother me. You bother me. That actually makes sense because after Matthew went home,

which by the way, I was super disappointed by the producers. Making him give the announcement felt so weird. Oh, actually, I thought the good, actually that was an opportunity for him. I thought he- You like swallowed his pride. It was like, let me go in here and say she didn't choose me.

It was a good look for him. But I'm just more like, why is it? I mean, I guess just Jen didn't want him. Well, actually, I actually, well, we had Jen here last week and she doubled down and insisted that he in fact paid for his flight. And after realizing now that Jen didn't keep him, I absolutely believe her.

Last week I was saying, also I was dead wrong because I said I thought he would make it to the top two, so way off there. But last week I was just like, well, I thought she kept him and part of my reasoning was like, you don't get on the show without doing the medical test or the psych test. But now that I know she didn't keep him, I'd be willing to bet he never took the psych test

and never took the blood test, which tells me he never had a shot for her to keep him at all in the first place. You know what I'm saying? Had he called him up and was like, hey, I'm fucking coming. They're like, well, we're at this hotel. He's like, well, if you want, and they could have been like, well, if you, you know what I'm saying? Had he called them up and was like, hey, I'm fucking coming, they're like, well, we're at this hotel, he's like, well, if you, and they could have been like, well, if you, you know, listen,

we're not gonna stop you from showing up and if you wanna show up, we'll give you a chance to talk to her. That probably happened and they showed up and had him talk to her, knowing full well, like she wasn't gonna keep him. Because you know what I'm saying? Like, I wanna know if he took a blood test

or he took a psych test. I'm willing to- Blood? They have to test his blood? For him to be on the show. See, that's what I'm saying? Like I wanna know if he took a blood test or he took a psych test. I'm willing to- What? They have to test his blood? For him to be on the show. See that's what I'm saying. There's a difference for everything we saw on the show. Like everything that we saw him pull up,

get out of the van, talk to Jen, talk to Jesse, then talk to the guys. Technically that's not him being on the show. That's like anyone kind of an ex showing up. Like everything they aired and everything he did, they can do, all they need from him is to sign a release. Like, hey, you're, you're allowed to use my likeness and air it in any fucking way you want. He signed a release, but to join the show means like he's traveling with the show to move into the house and become

a part of the show, completely different scenario. And he doesn't need to do the blood work or the psych test to do everything he did. If Jen were to keep him and he joins the show and then he like stays in the room, now he's on the show and to be on the show legally, he has to do the blood work and the psych test. And I'm really curious if he did either of those tests. I'm going to guess no, which tells me that Jen never intended to keep him in the first place. He actually showed up with not ever actually having a shot. If that's true, that's an insane move though.

Like I'm just trying to picture in the non-scripted dating world, like flying out to where your ex is and being like, I'm ready to be engaged. I probably wouldn't have known that. Insane move. But it's a weird thing to think that you never actually had a shot. Yeah. I'm really curious.

I'd want to know if he had to take the a psych or the blood test, but I thought it was weird that when he went into the room to talk to them and tell him he was leaving I Thought well There was a moment to were like I think the guys on the couch I don't remember exactly what they said one of them was like, you know, we got her bro Sam M. That's what I'm saying. What does he say? It was the dumbest,

he was like, I got some I gotta say. And then he said literally nothing at all. It was the dumbest fucking thing. We got a lot of good guys here. And so yeah, we're gonna leave you the past and the past, buddy. Like I'm leaving. No, first he goes, he's just like,

well, if Jen were to keep you, I just wanna, it's just like, I'm not scared of you even if you did join the show, but you're not joining the show, so fuck off. And he's just like, he's not joining the show. He's like, I'm happy to see you leave, my boy. Or something like that. Yeah, that's what it was.

And it was so awkward. It was such a weird thing to say. He's literally leaving and very gracefully being like, she chose you, I showed up with the best of intentions. I knew the girl, I wanted to shoot my shot. Sorry you're all freaking out and super jealous of the fact that I have a history with this girl. But I'm just gonna bow out gracefully.

And then Sam having having, you know, a very kind of apparently low self-esteem about himself. I can only be the only explanation. He would probably meddle in pole vaulting. I doubt it. Oh yeah, he would definitely meddle. Based on the way he was talking. He would definitely, yes, based on how he was talking.

And if he's not coming preloaded with a Nicholas Sparks quote, then he doesn't know what he's supposed to say. He's got nothing. He's got really nothing. You bother me. It was just a really mean thing to say to someone who was just like. That's the thing, he came in so like, in a way that felt so non-threatening.

I dressed up for you and now I'm gonna go. He's like, hey, I just want to come in here like a man. The guy's like, leave the past in the past, bitch. Yeah, pussy ass motherfucker. You stupid. And honestly, the only one who's really won me over is Jeremy. Yeah. Jeremy.

Jeremy. He probably hates it when you say his name like that. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy sounds like Jeremy. Like how do you say it?

Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. No, Jeremy is different than Jeremy. Jeremy is terrible. There's an E in between the R and the M. Jeremy.

Jeremy. There you go. Jeremy. Anyway, he's really won me over. Jeremy's the one There's an E in between the R and the M. Jeremy. There you go. Anyway, he's really won me over. Jeremy's the one that Jen said made him laugh later on. Yeah. But she never had a dull moment with him. He was the one that surprised her the most, that's what she said. Yeah.

Yeah, and his entrance gave kind of like, oh, I don't know. Austin looks like he loves a Morgan Wallen concert. Well, Austin is the one who sent himself home. Yeah. Oh, he is. He's the one who sent himself home. Yeah. Oh, he is. He's the one who was like, we haven't had any time together, so I'm gonna get the hell out of here.

And that's when she was like, I feel like I'm not enough because Austin is leaving. And then we struggled the rest of it. I did kind of, when he left, I don't know if I liked it, but there was some part of me that respected it. I don't know why he was just kind of like, I'm out. He did not make a huge deal.

No, yeah. I thought it was also really lazy producing by the show. Which part, like his reasoning or how he went about it? No, just Jen's, the whole Jen's reaction, that whole montage, and then you hear one of the producers say something, well have you told them, Mendes? Like this confession about like, I get it,

like they had a little bit to work with and they're trying, like I think they accomplished the opposite of what they set out to. And I think what they set out to is somehow make Jen seem to be like vulnerable and empowering. It's just like, how is this empowering for your Bachelorette? A guy who clearly she has no connection with, she doesn't like him enough to give him a one-on-one.

Spent zero time together. Spent zero time together. The other guy she had no like one-on-one. Spent zero time together. Spent zero time together. The other guy she had no one-on-one time with also went home at the end of this episode. So this guy read the room a little bit and like Johnny said, pointed out, it's like, you know what, maybe I'm just gonna bow out gracefully instead of letting,

just like, okay, bye. And yeah, I get it, no one wants to be broken up with even if you don't like them. But why they make, it's just like, yeah, I get it. No one wants to be broken up with even if you don't like them. But like, why they make, you know, it's just like, let your Bachelorette like not lose herself because some nobody guy who she's not interested in, like leave on his own accord

and show your Bachelorette in the light where she crumbles inside and loses all like self-esteem because of some guy, she has no connection with Lees. Like that diminishes her strength or like how we're seeing. I would have rather seen this side of Jen in a completely different context. Exactly, yes. Like I'm so glad we got to see this side of her.

I'm glad she got to express that like this is something that she struggles with and letting this guard down and letting people see that she's not confident all the time and that she does sometimes not feel enough. Like that's relatable. That's important. But the response to of it being to Austin leaving,

it was like- Made no sense. It was so forced. This is the reaction I want to see from Austin leaving is like, cool. Yeah. Yeah. Like I'm a bad bitch.

I don't like, you're right, we didn't have a connection. You were probably gonna go home tonight anyway, so anyways, let's go back to my men. That's what I wanted to see in this moment. Yeah, I feel like this portrays her in a very stereotypical bad light, where it's just like, no, you need to cry because one random fucking guy rejected you.

It's like who gives a fuck about this guy. And then I don't blame Jenn at all because I know when this happened, she probably was like, even her response was like, oh, literally that was her response. Oh, okay, she didn't like fight for it. She didn't like really make a whole scene, but you know after he left, she got into a fucking chair

and then they were probably, well, how does that make you feel? Because that's how they ask, you know, anything that then they were probably well how does that make you feel because that's how they ask you know anything that happens it's always how does it make you feel and she was probably like yeah I mean honestly probably just weren't meant to be it's just like what are you sure I mean what is it like for someone to just decide that like you there you're not their person they probably just wouldn't fucking drop it it was such a forced storyline and it's just like lazy fucking producing. And it's like the low hanging fruit when someone goes home.

That's not good storytelling. That's not good producing. It's just, you know, it's not painting your Bachelorette in a good light. It's just ugh. It should have happened later in the season. Yes. Like for Joey when Lexi left, it was like later when we knew she was one of the tops. Yes.

Make it over a real meaningful moment where there's a million different ways someone can show their vulnerability. Not when someone we barely seen all season have no connection with your lead, decide to save face and leave. It just paints Jen in a way that is, you know, makes her, where she cares more.

Yeah, it's superficial. Why would they want their Bachelorette to look superficial? And again, I blame the producers, not our lead. I mean, if she had, yeah, like this is, you know, modern Raya dating right there. She's got 13 matches on Raya, one of them just still good to go.

Unmatches with her, you got 12 more to go. Amazing. This is what the lineup looks like too, probably. Yeah, that's the equivalent of as like someone she like forgot is in her Rolodex, unmasked with her, and she was like, -"Oh!" -"She's like, I'm unlovable." Yeah, and now they're...

Yes, it's very superficial. Who are they filming? But as for good matches, Jonathan got a one-on-one this week. They did a helicopter ride. That gave very winter energy. Oh, yeah, and their sit-down at dinner dinner and him being completely forthcoming with a story that's Tough to tell I feel like with having a toxic relationship and whatnot I thought that his transparency was very admirable and last week Jen when we asked her what's a life like with

Well, we picked four frontrunners, you know that we thought when Jonathan came up she mentioned kids I thought the one-on-ones because I his he's I remember he talked about Well, we picked four front-runners that we thought, when Jonathan came up, she mentioned kids. I thought the one-on-ones, because I remember he talked about, I think his ex had substance abuse issues or stuff, but so much of their time to get real with you and open up and vulnerability was about substance stuff. As somebody who is sober, I was like, some of it did rub me the wrong way. How so? I don't know.

I don't know if it was his specifically, but just sort of the general, the amount of general conversation was like a parent of mine or like a loved one. It's people talking, them talking about other people's things. Thank you for bringing that up. I actually said this to Natalie last night.

I'm like the bachelor or the bachelorette, whatever your respective franchise, has really become a place where you just fucking dump on your family or friends or exes. I didn't love that. Like if I, I just put myself personally in someone's shoes where I, maybe it was someone who was like talking about maybe their dad or like three months sober or something.

It was Grant talking about his dad. That's when I said it was just like, man, like damn, it's just like your dad's going through it. That's, you know, it's sweet. I don't want to like completely condemn it. Like it's just like your dad's going through it. That's, you know, it's sweet. I don't wanna like completely condemn it. Like it's nice to be proud of your parent for being sober, but also like that is such a sensitive topic and like not saying that going on, you know,

the bachelorette doesn't mean you should be sensitive, but like that's just not your thing to tell, you know? It was, if somebody I was very close to when I was three months sober was talking about it. I would be like, please do not do that. That's going on a reality a national reality Yeah, even like, you know, and yeah, it's just that that I wasn't and it happened so many times that episode There was a multiple that is unfortunately the show and unfortunately episode. There was multiple... That is unfortunately the show and unfortunately instead of getting away from it they've only leaned into it more over the years. I don't know why but you're right. And when you think

about it, you take these cast people who come on and pressure them into coming up with a tragic story and if they have one you almost pressure them into like tell their story at the risk of violating loved ones, like personal space and certain boundaries, just so that you endear yourself to like the audience and or the lead. It's just like.

And Jonathan, he talked about it with his ex. With his ex girlfriend. That's what I'm saying, they're all doing it. It's like they all have to throw someone under the bus. And it's like, it's a little bit, when it's an ax, you can be like, well, I had an ax and we all have multiple axes. That's a little different.

But when it's like family members, it's a little like, yeah. I didn't realize it was two months over either. Well, even if it was two, yeah, but- I'm just saying it's just, it's also so fresh too, that I'm like, I didn't realize. That's when you're like, that's like life or death time in sobriety. It's when it's like very, very, very important.

So it just, that definitely didn't, it rubbed me the wrong way a little bit, but you know, I guess I shouldn't. There's a first time I was disappointed in Dev in this episode. I really hate his reaction to Matthew potentially staying. I'm gonna leave. Oh yeah.

Again, I'll just finish by saying this. Like if it's you and you're sober, go ahead, you're entitled to talk about it. It's tough. Again, I blame just finish by saying this. If it's you and you're sober, go ahead. That's your entitlement. It's tough. Again, I blame the show more than, not to completely take any accountability away from these guys, but I think the show needs to do... I don't understand how it's the show's fault.

I think, yeah, they know that they need to have some story to tell. I think that's the problem. Because they normalize telling other people's stories so much. I'm not saying the men are completely off the hook. I'm not saying that, but the show has normalized these types of stories so much that when they go into this atmosphere, disconnected from their support group

and disconnected from their family, they are often encouraged to open up and be vulnerable. And often if they are resistant, it's like to Zach suggested that this is, you're really doing a good thing by opening up and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And that in some cases might be true, but in some cases it might be a violation

of some personal trust or thing. And it's just like, yeah, it's become so normalized and it's almost become like this golden ticket to like more airtime you know. I almost would like to see a season where people don't specifically trauma dump like on their one-on-ones like maybe just like enjoy your dinner and have like a nice conversation but that just won't happen. That's what I always think about when I watch these shows and especially the one on one moments. I'm like, what would this look like if it was an actual date? Because it's not an actual date.

There's cameras on you. That's just not a date. That's not what a real date is. And you sell the best version of yourself on a first date. I'm mentally stable and nothing's ever bad happened to me. My red flat, someone's like, I'll be honest, like I'm a bad texter. It's like, that's what it is versus.

Yeah, left me and this is what I'm left with. Yeah, they get into some like some minor flaws or red flags or X that they think they might have as saying in joking manner. And even if the lead was like, well, I just wanna know, like it's like, we only have a limited amount of time here and just wanna, you know, if you have any like amount of time here and just wanna, if you have any really difficult times you have to go through,

I would have loved a contestant to be like, listen, I hear you. But this is still our first date. And if we do end up together, I'm guessing, I might get one more. And so I'd rather just spend our time now getting to know each other. And if I do get more time with you down the road,

you know, I'll open up then. I'd love to see something like that. What the hell do you have left to talk about after you're on the show with someone too? Like I do end up with them, you're like, I've trauma dumped everything I've got with you now. Like what's your favorite TV show? Well now I threw it at you as a Hail Mary.

Now it's like, it used to be like a second date thing, you know, it's like for the people who like really make it and it's just like, all right, now the second date has become, you know, like a really kind of get to know you. Now it's the first date and it's like, all right, so like it's the daytime nighttime portion. Okay, so anyways, death. Yeah, it's basically like, yeah, what's the worst thing that's ever happened to me

and then let's go make out in fake rain. Like that's, I feel like that's kind of- I thought the fake rain was kind of good though. Did you? Oh God. It gave winner. You said that about Jonathan's, I feel like that's kind of- I thought the fake rain was kind of good though. Did you? Oh god. It gave winner. You said that about Jonathan's date. Wait, that Jonathan had the fake rain. Grant didn't have the fake rain. One of them had really-

Jonathan had the fake rain. Jonathan's had fake rain. Yeah. Jonathan and her ran around the vineyard doing cartwheels and playing hide and seek. Okay wait, can we- That was a chisel. I loved that moment where it was like they get there and she's like, there was that moment of like, you know that internet meme where it's like, you there and she's like there was that moment of like

You know that internet meme where it's like you're so random babe Like you like and then they like jump and do like like a 180 or something and you're like what that's just somebody Being weird where she was like I might just do a cartwheel right now and he's like ah like go off. This is crazy You're so funny It felt that part where I was where I was, they really need to just turn the cameras off at these people sometimes. Just like, let them interact. Yeah, let them interact, feel comfortable

and then put the cameras on them. He's very good at cartwheels though. She was also in a dress. I can't do a cartwheel. She was in a dress. So I think maybe she did struggle a little bit. Did she do a cartwheel in a dress? She did a cartwheel in a dress.

This was like very good though. I Feel like he also do on your one-on-one man. I showed her my car Yeah, I feel like I feel like the hide-and-seek he took really serious, and he was like Hidden okay, but let me throw this back in you buries Mark like no actually where the fuck are you? He just never comes back. My question is, you're on a date, like try and take the context out of it. You're on like a second or third date and the guy's like, let me show you my cartwheel

and then I'm going to take hide and seek super seriously. You'd be like, oh, I went on a date with a serial killer or like a child. What is happening? You go back home and you're like, tell your friends, I went on a date with a serial killer or like six-year-old a child like what is happening when you're like tell you're like your friends like how's the date you're like, okay, well, I Got there and He was like, yeah, I ripped a sick fucking cartwheel and We played hide-and-seek all your friends are like, oh you did the cartwheel thing again, okay Yeah, and then we stood in some fake rain. Yeah, then he like got a hose out and started Pulled up this video of him pole vaulting. It was kind of weird

One video yeah, he was saying like that's why he didn't But I do think imagine that being your trauma story, yeah, I've been playing pool ball, too? I don't know. But I do think Jonathan. Imagine that being your trauma story. I didn't win the Olympics. That'd be incredible. I do think. Have you ever been close to winning and not winning? Yeah. I have.

That's the lead in. I do think Jonathan's the winner. I hope so. I do too, yeah. The hide and seek cartwheel. Yeah. It's the only one she has any chemistry with whatsoever. I feel like the Devin guy is going to make it far. I think he'll make it far too.

I just don't think he'll win. He'll make it far. He makes it fun for her. He gives very good runner up, which is like, he's easy to talk to. He's easy to be around. Here's my question. She doesn't have to marry him. She doesn't even have to fuck him.

Do they still do the format where one doesn't even have to fuck him today Do they still do the the format where like one of these guys will be the bachelor next year? Is that that's generally their playbook? But that's a great we asked Jen the very similar question Which is like who's giving bachelor out of these because I was about to say none of these guys I have a I don't really see bachelor. Maybe Austin Maybe Marcus. I mean, you know, Devin, maybe could be. Jonathan could be a good one, but he might be taken.

Thomas, Jonathan, maybe. What if it's Brett? What if they bring back Brett? Because everyone was like, we love Brett so much and they make him the Bachelor. Brett is one of my favorite men from this season. I still haven't gotten a good answer why he went home night one.

I don't even remember who is Brett. He was the. I still haven't gotten a good answer why he went home night one. I don't even remember who was Brad. He was the only guy who didn't have a washboard stomach. Okay. And the internet quite appreciated the diversity. Diversity in the... And we interviewed him and he's so charming and he's so funny and he was such a vibe.

And we were like, this is so fun. This guy looks sick. Yeah. Sick. And he looks like he has is so fun. This guy looks sick. Yeah. And he looks like he has a hairy chest. Jen says she likes hairy chest. And I'm truly like wondering. This guy got sent home night one. That's fucked up.

Yeah. I think he should be bachelor. Yeah, for sure. The truth is, I think it would get more hype with him as a bachelor than any of these guys. Absolutely. Yeah, I agree It's a it's a weak cast of men

If you know, you know, sorry guys, I mean if Jen doesn't pick Jonathan then it would be Jonathan But we would assume she would so I'm like, yeah Brett would be the agree You know, but he's not screaming like it could be Sam. Sam and thinks it's him. I'm definitely thinks it's Yeah, he's like, I am giving bachelor. Oh that guy, no. Yeah, he's like, these lines I'm giving him. He's performing for bachelor. He thinks he's the bachelor. 100%.

He absolutely thinks he's got it in the bag. I would watch Thomas N's season of The Bachelor. I would absolutely watch that. It'd be him constantly being like, I love this girl and then just hiding in her room somewhere. It would be him like pulling all of the girls. Yeah, we need to talk. I liked the activity they did with the sheep,

the farmers. I loved the guy. My favorite moment of the entire episode was when they do the like sheep herding thing. None of them can figure out how to open the gate. And then it's like a hard cut to him being like, well, not a lot of intelligence in this group. Yes. And like they cut to Jen and like, I think she's, she kind of have a face too.

She was like, oh shit. Okay. Well, she was also joining them. That's why she said that. And she didn't think to open the gate either. That was kind of, that was kind of hard to watch, I would say. I was like, these are grown men. Well, a lot of the like, these are grown men.

Well, a lot of the things they have these grown men do on their show are meant to make you feel a little uncomfortable. But sheep herding, I feel like you just open a gate. Manure picking up? Yeah, that was- They had to do that on my season. They did sheep herding? Yeah, we went to a farm, picked up manure, literally.

You did? We all did. You did. I love that, the sheep farmers are like cool free labor Yeah, and then just so disappointed Right, you know, yeah, we actually haven't picked up shit in weeks preparing for y'all That's so weird. Like why not just take them to a escape room or something like do something? I don't know listen, you know

Idea run of ideas. They've done the You know, they're in Auckland. It's like what do you do in Listen, you know, they have a- They run out of ideas. They run out of ideas, they've done the escape room. Back to the sheep. You know, they're in Auckland. It's like, what do you do in Auckland? You know, you go to a sheep farm. Why are they in Auckland? Is there a reason? Probably the tourism board said, come on down here.

And- We'll pay for it. Because the producer didn't book the Airbnb, so they had to just get on a flight next episode. Wait, what? Did you not see that they started this season, not at the Bachelor Mansion? They were filming a porn.

Coming for a nest instead. I think my cousin got married at the Bachelor Mansion. It is a house that is not owned by the show and I don't think I'm making a porn part, but I think they shoot other things there. And I think it has been some adult filming at times. Okay. Like have you seen something? And I think it has been some adult Okay, I know my wife is myself out watching the video I know my wife is in this video I mean

I'm like I'm in the fucking kitchen. Sarah's a point, though. They've been in Auckland for a hot minute. Yeah. Well, the whole season seems to be in that exactly. Yeah. In the country like Joey season, there was like five different trips. Yeah, they did. Well, because they usually go to Europe. And then like Europe is, you know, yeah, like the United States. I feel like we typically got at least a week or two in the mansion and then it would be like, you know,

cause it'd be like pool party with the bachelorette. But they didn't have the mansion, so they're like, let's just take him to fucking Australia and then go to stay in the hotel. They don't have this, I'm so out of the loop and I recognize this, but they don't have the guy who got, he got canceled, I think, the guy who used to be there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We have Jesse Palmer. Yeah, I'm glad you actually brought him up because like, and I love Jesse, but boy, he really, I love it when he's talking to whoever the lead is and he's like, he talks, it's always like in this Batman kind of whisper voice. It is, yeah. Yeah, anyway, so.

Grasping. Jen, whatever you do, this could change everything forever. He's just reading a cute character back there. It's like he's like, just talks as if he's giving advice, but at the same time saying nothing at all. So like, whatever you do, like don't fuck up because it would totally ruin your life.

He's like, yeah, no, I definitely did not think about this once at all. It's a good gig to get though. Hell yeah. Oh no, great gig. Yeah, it's a, he travels with the show. Yeah, again, Jesse doing a great bang up job. It's like you, you never.

What was he from? What did he do? He was like the second or third bachelor ever. He's the reason they don't eat on dates. Yeah, he mentioned that last week. But this was a bit. Why? Because he, they showed all the footage he was eating

with and like talking with his mouth full and He was the bachelor when they casted semi famous people before like he Jesse was never on the bachelorette Got it. So it was the early seasons where they would find like it's when Jerry O'Connell's brother That's all was the bachelor So like and Jesse Palmer was like the third string quarterback of the New York Giants and he never played. He was an NFL quarterback, you know? And then Andrew Firestone was like the bachelor. He was like someone who had like a famous family name,

but like the illusion of being like the heir of the Firestone family, even though like they didn't have anything to do with the tires at that point. It was like they owned a brewery or something. By Santa Barbara. So it was like these like G-list celebrities, you know. It's kind of a good, it's kind of a good. I would watch like, imagine there's like a Pete Davidson bachelor season.

Pete Davidson's brother. Yeah. That's what we'd get. Yeah. Yeah. Or as a sister. Maybe. He has a sister.

We follow each other on Instagram. Oh, go off. Sorry. Not, not sorry. Okay, anyways. What about, wait, tell me, I want to ask about Love Island. What do I need to know about Love Island? You need to watch it. Okay, that's it. Got my answer. Yeah, it's really good. Just shut up and watch it. Stop asking questions. It's not your problem. It's very captivating. It has a lot of the, if you're looking for less staged, more organic reality TV look to love on. Yeah, I mean, I've seen it in passing.

I asked my roommate, I'm like, wait, they're going to another. Also five days a week. Yeah, that's too much. Is it five? Yeah, no, it's six days. Six days, but six is after sun, so nobody watches that.

And they have a US version of it, right? This is the US version. This is the US version. The UK version. Shout out America. Yeah, shout out. Go America. Team USA. I believe one of the first few seasons

that I got like a DM from a producer, like would you be interested? And I was like, to be on it. I went on it. This was years and years ago, I think. Cause it's been out for a couple of years, right? Yeah. Well, they did have old L Beckham Jr's brother on,

who did, he won. He won. He won. He's like, seems like the greatest guy ever. You would never have thought that this was the brother of a celebrity like yourself. Yes. Seemed like a really great, genuine,

sweetheart of a person. Yeah. I don't know. I didn't even message back, but I remember thinking like, that's just, I would suck. Are your games closed now after that? To the producers? Well, that's a good question. As someone who grew up in Hollywood, in the limelight, having a famous dad, you have almost certainly been offered a long list of opportunities that I'm guessing

many of which you had to turn down, some of which were obvious, like absolutely fucking not. And then others were probably like, you know, there's a world in which that kind of sounds like a lot of fun, but like, ugh, I definitely would rather just like lean into me being a successful writer slash actor in Hollywood, but like, is there any other opportunity

other than like falling in love in love island that like you were asked to do, but like begrudgingly and reluctantly kind of turned down cause you thought maybe this isn't the right path for me. That's a good question. I don't know if there's any that I've ever regretted turning down. Not like you're so regretted, but like wondered.

I think the closest I've come to that without saying what they are specifically is like, I know at the side is like people's podcasts or like things. I feel like you'll be able to figure this out. But like things that I know I shouldn't be associated with, but I was like, Oh, I'd have so much fun doing that. It's never been a show or anything or even like, I don't know. Like, I don't know, like, I don't

know if I wouldn't do like, I would like, go probably like be at, you know, a Vanderpump location while they were filming and just maybe like not sign the release or something. But I don't, the truth is, is I think, I think once you get to a certain point where, like where I'm at with my career and even just like how old I am and how I have not done anything like that, they kind of assume you're not going to do it. But there was, yeah, oh, there was moments. I think my favorite is personally is my mom has been asked, you know, multiple times to be like a real housewife.

My family's always like, oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, here's the thing. It would be all or nothing. She would either be like one of the single greatest reality TV characters ever, or she'd

be like a one and done. If she behaved like her normal self on camera, she'd be a global celebrity, I believe. But I think she would not know how to do that because we've put cameras on her before. Like she's had to be, you know, like we did like what celebrity family feud or something. And she's like, she gets very tense. But if she wasn't tense, my love her shout out to my mom is one of the. Yeah, you throw your mom under the bus here. I'm not throwing my mom.

She's just she I know I'm like, she oh God. She would be incredible TV, incredible. Cause my family revolves around her. Who did you compete against in the celebrity family feud? I think it was Terrence Howard and- This family. Yeah, kind of. You guys win or lose. We won.

We won and we crushed my, yeah, that was so fun. Steve Harvey was funny. But that like, look, we said yes to that. No, no, no. That's my, yeah, that's like a dream of mine. Well, that's my, it was my mom's dream. She watches it every day. And my dad surprised her for her birthday.

And so we were like, we fully tricked her too. We said we were going, driving her to LA to do like a photo shoot with the family. So like get your hair and makeup done. And then she kind of only figured it out when we pulled into like the Grove. That's kind of like how I proposed to Natalie. I know.

I know, yeah. That's cute. You have some fake glam assignment. Could you imagine if instead of Tom Cruise, you're like, it'll be Steve Harvey? I knew, babe. I knew not to do that. You knew.

And also it was Tom Hanks. That's what I meant. Tom Hanks. I made her think they were going to a Tom Hanks movie premiere. Oh, that's a safe bet. There's a lot of Tom Hanks movies going on. I know this was for Tom Hanks,

but I knew that now it wouldn't be like, but are we still meeting Tom Hanks? Yeah, like after the fact, I wouldn't be like, whoa. If it was Chet Hanks, maybe. If it was. Yeah. Chetna, I should say. No.

But like if it was Steve Harvey, she would have been like, so wait, we're not meeting Steve Harvey? Yeah, Steve Harvey, yeah. That's a real letdown. You can't, yeah, that makes sense to me. Yeah. So. Yeah. No. I think we're the first. Steve Harvey, yeah. That's a real let down. You can't, yeah, that makes sense to me. Yeah. So, yeah. Yeah.

I think we're wrapping it up. Johnny, it's always a pleasure, my friend. So fun. Always great seeing you. Congratulations on season two of Unstable. Oh yeah, I should promote that. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, I have a second season of our show, Unstable.

Season two on Netflix now, go watch it. It's very funny. It's great. It's also top 10 on Netflix. It's also top 10, so trust the people. And if you haven't watched season one yet, super fun, easy watch, go back to binge season one. I should do a better job promoting my show. It's quick, it's fun, it's easy.

There's, my dad and I play father and son, and it's, we're living out our real trauma on television. It's very fun to watch. When you watch season one, I at first thought it was like a documentary of your guys' lives. At times- I realized, holy shit, oh no, okay, this is a scripted show. Well, because I'm writing it, so at times it is, you know, we're just, it's scripted, but we're living out like real trauma, you know? It's probably bad for me and my long-term mental

health, but you know what? My therapist disagrees with everything. My therapist honestly is constantly like, what the fuck are you doing? I'm like, ah, I'm just so random. Yeah, I didn't see it. Here babe, here's my cartwheel. It pays the bills. Well, I love seeing you being as successful as you are

and can't wait to see what's next, but everyone go watch season two of Unstable. It's amazing, it's great, it's on Netflix. And where can they follow you? On Instagram, I suppose. That's it. Maybe Twitter, I guess. I don't really post on there that much.

Johnny Lo. Johnny Lo. That's what I am. DMs are closed. Not Johnny, underscore Lo,.25. No, I got in there early. Yeah, no, I think it might've been underscore at one point. Johnny Lo.

All right, well, thanks for listening, guys. We'll see you back on Thursday. We'll be talking, what, Real Housewives of Orange County, the finale of New Jersey. So much more, a little bit more Olympic coverage and yeah, some things you are definitely going to want to tune in for. It's going to be a surprise. I'll see you then. Bye. you