The Viall Files - E79 Bachelor Recap- Ep 2 with Juliet Litman

Episode Date: January 14, 2020

Juliet Litman of the Bachelor Party podcast joins Nick to discuss the second episode of The Bachelor. They talk about the drama surrounding Madi Rose, dissect Hannah Ann’s moves on the group date, and praise Pilot Pete for his authenticity. Then they talk about the modeling history of Victoria. Visit viallfiles.com for merch and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Welcome to another episode of Vile Files Bachelor Recap Edition. My favorite episodes. This is why Rochelle really is the producer of Vile Files. It's her affinity. It's really your dream. It is. The whole time, like, we should just do

a dedicated Bachelor recap. Finally, you know, after an entire year, I'm just here to make Rochelle's dream come true. Thanks, Nick. But thanks for tuning in, guys. People seem to like this new format,

so I think we'll stick with it for the foreseeable future. And we'll try to have some fun guests to join us. Like January joined us last week. And this week we have none other than my dear friend Julia Lippman, who is kind of the OG Bachelor podcast.

I don't know if she was the first, but she is the host of Bachelor Party. She had one before called, what was it? Right Reasons at ESPN. Seven years she said she's been doing. Seven years. So she's got a lot of good insight.

So I did her podcast on today. It's probably out there right now. So if you listen to this, hop over and check out Bachelor Party. She has a crazy brain. Like she remembers dates. She's a huge fan. She remembers exact episodes, exactly what happened. Well, she watched this episode twice.

She's like texting me. She's like, oh, I've watched it twice. Well, where are you at? I'm like, I haven seen it i'll i'll get to it uh it was so juicy you did need to see it twice it's a great episode so um yeah make sure you check it out uh if you haven't noticed on our instagram we have uh some genuine and real merch uh for our dear friend maddie because all in good fun. Check out some of our other merch is now available like our mug or our phone cases. We have phone

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Keep it real simple. Yeah. Without further ado, Juliette Lippman and our thoughts on episode number two. Thanks for listening. Check us out tomorrow. Stay real and genuine. Real and genuine. Juliette, thanks for coming.

Hey, man. Thanks for having me. And for those of you who have popped on over from Bachelor Party. Yes. I'm the host of Bachelor Party on the Ringer Podcast Network, where we started our conversation with The Bachelor a few hours ago. A bit of an OG podcast we were just discussing before you came on. You were one of the first Bachelor podcasts out there.

Yeah, I've been doing it for seven years. Were you the first? I don't want to take credit for that. I can't be sure. I think I was early. I started doing The Right Reasons at ESPN when I worked at Grantland with my buddy, David Jacoby. And we started doing that in the summer of 2012

and we covered a lot of reality TV and then we just like really loved The Bachelor so when I left Grantland and we were starting The Ringer just decided to go all in on The Batch and kind of like coming back around to covering other stuff as well but yeah I've just been going ham. I think I first interviewed you right

when The Ringer started but when I was at ESPN I also interviewed like Chrisris soul caitlin and brit like we had we were part of the abc car wash because of the corporate synergy i remember that yeah that was you know my time when i would actively listen to podcasts about myself you did that's what everyone does that's how we kind of always start these bachelor recaps knowing that like all the women from this season are definitely listening so i feel like i can just say hi hello how's it going victoria me no ill will and maddie um i followed one of the women like last monday so before the premiere had even aired immediate follow back nice yeah they know who you are for sure that's really nice and it's a

little different yeah and you and i've said this before i actually said this on your podcast once and especially for everyone new when it comes to people like you the reality steves of the world there's definitely this come on put her in the same basket i'm not putting in the same basket other than the fact that like they have been paying attention to you maybe even as bachelor fans that you have an opinion on the show and now they know that you're going to potentially have an opinion about them and so all they know that you're going to potentially have an opinion about them. And so all they want you to do, all they want is you to like them. It's all very personal. Right.

Well, I do like some of them so far. Some of them. So should we just get right into it? Sure. Let's start off with the Maddie drama, the online Maddie. Maddie Rose. When Peter called her Maddie Rose i was like oh wow maddie rose is that her middle name yeah we're already on nickname i think her instagram handle sounds

on brand maddie rose rose is a really popular middle name these days just really popular yeah um i love i love how the show is it's with social media it's it's more fun that the show just keeps on going through the week is these decisions these contestants are making and what they think they should do or not do. For those of you who don't know, obviously Maddie has been accused of accidentally commenting. She pulled a Kevin Durant. Is that what Kevin Durant did?

Yes, Kevin Durant had a burner account where he responded to some troll defending Kevin Durant and it turned out to be Kevin Durant. Did Kevin Durant ever admit to it? He did. he did admit to it yes he did good for him i believe i'll have to fact check that i'm pretty sure he did so maddie wrote uh something hey you're so genuine and real and it was basically her commenting her own page it comes across as that maddie in fact has a burner account a finster if you will uh her story is is that apparently there's this mystery friend that had access to her account and and since november

hasn't logged off and coincidentally and accidentally happened to um to comment yeah comment this. Which no one I feel if that happens to be the truth. I feel bad for her because no one's going to believe her. No one's going to believe her at all. Not a single person. But even if it was her friend, why was she logged into her account? She's been back for a long

time. Well, again, no one's going to believe her. Also, like, who is this friend? It's not her sister or her mother. It's going to believe her. But also like who is his friend? It's not her sister or her mother. It's like a mystery friend. I've heard from people. I've seen Maddie has also, she has all these quote unquote fan accounts

of which she's re-shared and reposted on her social. Some Bachelor people get fan accounts certainly sure some yeah that's like later on the season yeah when you're like top six when you're the bachelor yeah five or six bachelor fan accounts before the season starts uh i know it's a lot it's it's a little and then also having the and then like reposting about it like she's clearly very aware of her social presence i've noticed these girls in general are doing a lot of reposting, which I think is a bad idea. It's a totally bad idea. Everyone's getting really bad advice. And that's the thing. Let's assume Maddie did this, right? I feel bad for her. But listen, there's no crime here. She doesn't

know what the hell she's doing. She's being thrusted into this. They all think they know what they're doing. They're all most certainly getting terrible advice from all the people around them who are speaking on something they know nothing about right um with all these ideas of how to build their social presence and listen i get where she's coming from 23 she doesn't know what she's doing all she wants going in is people to like her and she's trying to create a bit of a of movement yeah you know and it's it backfired it's it's really rough even if bit of a of movement yeah you know and it's it backfired it's it's really rough even if it is her friend like you're saying like there's it's not really an explanation for it like okay also it wasn't deleted that quickly you'd think they

would have noticed or the friend would have been like oh shit this isn't my account like also it just there's not a lot of explanations that make sense other than she has burner accounts and like that's fine i'm sure she also has like friends helping her their burner accounts yeah like her friend or whatever or assistant it just it also lends if she has an assistant already then i would be like maddie chill the fuck out it makes me wonder like also what is she guarding against like why do you need all these fan accounts and like why do you need all this positive reinforcement she doesn't need this she just my guess is thinks that's what she should do and i wouldn't be shocked if someone gave her the idea you know what i'm saying like they're getting all this bad advice yeah can i say something like you

really did utilize your platform you know your whole career is now like you're a podcaster because of the bachelor but can you so can you really fault them for taking advantage of this opportunity? No one's here faulting any of the people for having an Instagram, for posting during the season, for hoping they get as many followers as possible. It's, she got caught doing something kind of stupid and our point, ultimately unnecessary.

Totally unnecessary. Right? She doesn't need to do it. Right. And it's not gonna, like, whether Maddie gets a large following or not

or is well received by that Bachelor Nation or not is not gonna be because she writes a comment. I'm sure her, my guess is, her defense is gonna be, why would I bother

posting like that? I have thousands of people commenting, which is true, which it does make it insane, but she still felt the need to do it because for whatever reason, when you're in this situation, again, from personal experience, you're just afraid that people won't like you and you hope that you can get people to like you. And I totally empathize with the motivation and

she probably got really bad advice. Do you think she should come clean? Yes, definitely. I totally agree. Yeah, just own up to it and be like, I did it. This is a whirlwind experience. I'm still getting used to all the attention. I've never been in this position before. I feel really silly.

Ultimately, no harm, no foul. Totally, right? Let's laugh about it. Yeah, absolutely. She should come out there and do something genuine and real and say like, listen, I feel like an idiot i was stupid i got took some bad advice i feel really silly but you know what i'm just gonna own it and say uh this was dumb it because it is so not a big deal it's not a big deal at all except here's what's gonna happen

she'll like won't be allowed to do press for now it seems like we can both agree that she's probably going far definitely right i think i think, based on watching the teaser, I think she's the one who says that she doesn't want Peter to have sex with other people. Yeah, I think so too. That would seem on brand. Yeah.

Right? At the same time, it's going to get brought up and she's going to stick to the story and as dumb as it is, if she keeps sticking to the story, everyone's just going to assume she's a liar. Yeah. Yeah. And as dumb as it is if she keeps sticking the story everyone's just going to assume she's a liar yeah yeah and as dumb as it so even if not like a straight-up liar just kind of like shady

and it's not true and the opposite of genuine so if she just comes clean and just says you know what i feel stupid and that was me and it was always it was solely based off of my fear of not being liked and i hope you guys can relate but it was really stupid and stupid and what what a learning opportunity for me that's what she absolutely should do i i don't know if she will the funny thing is she's come off wonderfully nothing nothing but positive vibes from maddie from the show so far and yes she's got you know she's set up for the raven gates at it like the hannah she's like she doesn't have to do anything totally she's from the south she's christian she seems really sweet she met the

family yeah she got the family she could literally do nothing and have close to a million followers by the end of the season yeah she just has to you know the the hannah g you know she literally didn't talk and look what she's doing she's killing it i know you know i know i've heard hannah talk so much more hannah g in the last five months since paradise ended than i did in like the entire five months eight months she was on television yeah kind of insane actually you really there's just a lot but who would have thunk when you're free to say whatever you want and you don't have to like run your instagram posts and interviews through other people that you can like show a lot of personality.

How crazy. Yeah, I know. Speaking of Instagram and killing with the theme, I absolutely loved the Revolve date. I loved it too. It was so meta. It was like good on ABC for saying, you know what, fuck it.

Because they already wear that. We know that like, let's just give them a taste of what their lives or what they hope their lives can be for the foreseeable future. And just like introduce them to Revolve and the brand managers and the people they're going to hope to negotiate with for the next and all the trips are going to go on. And it was so much. It was great.

It was hilarious. So I've been doing a little mental tracking of the calendar. If I recall your birthday, you had a birthday at a bar in west hollywood at the end of september yeah i think that was like around the same day or the same time that they filmed this date because there was like it was a revolve pop-up i think on melrose it would it would line up i mean and i'm pretty sure like i just feel like you should have been invited it was around your birthday is my point i can't believe they didn't invite you why why would they have invited me that might have been a distraction they should why would they have an ex bachelor that would be so

funny just in sunglasses they don't even acknowledge you they just pay into you watching the fashion i don't think that would go over for me as the guy who's criticized for like coming back that's a good point but didn't ashley and becca tilly show up at your backstreet boys date they did they weren't shown but like they could have just had you there i just feel like they actually miss an opportunity to also stage like Bachelor Nation reunion of some kind. Yeah, I think, well, if you're using the Ashley and Becca reference, it's a Backstreet Boys concert.

They're fans. It makes sense that they're in the crowd. It doesn't make sense that I am at a fashion show for Revolve. There's plenty of things that don't make sense on these group dates all the time. Sure. Like, why are we drawing the line here?

Had they invited me and they've invited me to other stuff i probably would have declined this one by the way like i really like ashley and i i like think she seems really cool i also could not be more jealous the fact that the backstreet boys serenaded her we share a lot of common interests and one of them is the backstreet boys i'm about that often. I'm so jealous. Just so you know. Was Jared your number one? No. No. I like Jared a lot, but no, definitely not. You know the most random group date to me was

Lil Wayne when they were like smashing stuff. That was Lil Jon. Lil Jon. Lil Jon. Yes, of course. Who could forget? Becca and Blake. Lil Wayne would have been better. I mean, I like Lil Jon, but I'm a huge Lil Wayne fan. Of course. mostly because he's a Packer fan and I yes he does show a common interest in football teams he tweets go pack go very frequently uh which is weird though because he's from New Orleans whatever anyway carry on it's a whole back to back to the revolve

back to the revolve date um Victoria F is it F F? F, yes. Also, just getting, there's a theme so far, I think, on this season. And that is, I mentioned on your podcast, the women this season are particularly physically attractive. Yes. I also think that what you're seeing is a bunch of women who are so not used to being around other attractive women. And more than other seasons, I feel like you see these women who just have never had to deal with not getting the most attention from men.

Victoria F being one of them. I don't buy for a second this like demure character she's trying to sell us and how she's insecure, not confident. I think she called herself meek and timid. And I was like, what are you talking about? You kissed him on the runway in a negligee. There's nothing meek and timid about her.

And I say that as a compliment. I mean, I find she's stunning. As far as my taste in like physical attraction. I think Savannah, she's one of the blondes. She was wearing red the first night. To me, Savannah is my number one look twice. I mean, i said this every time they flash to a new girl i haven't seen of i'm like jesus this is the hottest season ever

can we agree on that very frustrating very freaking hot yeah anyways yeah so physically you're frustrated no it's fine i was like jesus peter he's sending girls home i'm like who is that why is she going um anyway so yes i just don't buy this like meek character it's i think it's kind of an act oh definitely i would say she's whiny though like i think when she doesn't get her way she's starting to whine yeah she is not good at not getting the attention and i think the meltdowns are real but her reason for the meltdown is so like i'm not i'm not used to this. I'm not used to putting myself out there and fighting for attention. We're like, fighting for attention, believe that part.

I believe that. Yeah, putting yourself out there, don't believe that. I don't believe that for a second. But don't you think it was a good edit, like Hannah Ann, the confident one, versus the really hot one who doesn't quite know how hot she is? I think, yeah, I think overall she looked pretty good there.

Listen, I do think it's the new the new norm is not having like your defined villain unlike you're just gonna hate this person i think you're just gonna have various arcs and moments where and i think that's ultimately what they've always tried to do they want you to pick sides they want one night to like i think i like victoria f and another time you're like i don't do i like hannah ann do i not i don't know i think that's ultimately what they tried to do but i think she looked fine i think hard to believe hannah ann definitely comes off as like the more vicious one in that date because she does like hannah ann she just she's got her elbows up and yes at the end when

they're going one-on-one in the final round and they're wearing the same dress she kind of like throws her dress in front of victoria she did it twice and now is that an edit do you feel like and they slow moated that was great that is like i was like that's not a move i was like that's not a thing that's that's fuck you yeah definitely and if i just want to say if peter was judging he definitely picked victoria i picked the one who kisses you in the middle of the fashion show duh duh so you're saying. So you're saying Peter's not judging? No, he wasn't judging. Yeah. It was the other three.

I said that. Because did Demi win when she kissed- Colton? Yeah. On the group date? I don't think Demi ever won a date. Really? I don't think so, but I don't quite recall.

But Luke won when his talent was just saying how much he loved- I thought Jed won that one. No, Luke won that one. Luke won when his talent was just saying how much he loved. I thought Jed won that one. No, Luke won. Luke won. It's an important lesson to pay attention. Yeah. Hannah Ann, early on, when you think you are winning, you're probably losing. First impression rose potentially, early group date, a lot of intention winning competitions

that you get excited about but ultimately like everyone just fucking hates you for it right i know and hannah anderson i'm just gonna say it like she doesn't seem like a nice person i just don't think she does you think her core in life is not necessarily nice yes i'm i'm gonna say that i'm sorry if that's mean but she hasn't she i thought that she way she responded to kelsey was pretty cold cold. She just was trying to end it and move on. What did you think of Demi in the first two episodes last year? I didn't like her. Okay.

And now I like Demi. Yeah, and Demi, from my experience, is one of the very few people from the past year that's actually genuine and real. Genuine and real. Yeah, I mean, the thing thing about demi that i really didn't like was the age shaming i didn't know how like she was like making fun of tracy for being old that was like stupid and obviously for television sure and not her most redeeming moment but that

doesn't define her as a person she was being drunk and catty i don't know hannah maybe she's she's lovely i just so far so far she's not coming off well i'm a little i'm a little reluctant to like try to guess who they are at their core as opposed to like just how they're representing themselves on tv because to hannah ann's credit when tammy went up to her and like explained what happened she did seem genuinely uh she sorry she didn't no way she did not know about chapin the champagne yeah there's no way she knew there's no way she knew no there's no way she knew. No, that was producer-driven for sure. Yeah, she seemed legit shocked when Tammy told her. And why would she? Unless she truly wants to be the villain and hated,

there's no way she does that. What is the upside of doing that? Don't you think the producers were like, hey, there's a little spot over there. You should go sit. Do you think they could have done that? Here's what I think the producers did or didn't do. They didn't stop it from happening

right but there was another champagne under the couch or something different couch setup again i'm just saying they simply didn't stop it they weren't like hey just don't go there they're just like you know go wherever let's see what happens you know there was that uh and who's the girl who brought the champagne remind me of her name Kelsey Kelsey yeah I Sharon Stone from Casino she her logic

okay I'm pulling that up have you seen Casino Rochelle no I need to you need to I haven't seen it in a long time I think it's a rewatchable or it will be

if it's not it should be I think it probably will be eventually should we have a movie night sure they have a podcast called

yes oh nice wait let's go back to Victoria for a second if you don't mind sure yeah please so so she i think should have won the fashion show but like would have been bad if hannah that the actual model had not like that makes sense what do you mean it would have been bad well just hand as a model she should win it's like when it's not why she won i i'm just saying if she had it it would have been a bad look she won because it was like it has the most upside for pissing everyone off else off and also uh victoria f's breaking down and had the most upside if if hannah ann would have lost i thought i'm guessing hannah ann would have just been like yeah whatever i'm still doing fine yes but they figured has all the confidence in the world.

You figure. Too much. Yeah. I don't know if you could have too much. Yeah, you can. I think as women, we might think you can have too much. Perhaps you don't think so. I don't think so.

I don't think women can have too much confidence specifically. I'm not even talking about men. But I think, yes. I think the logic was who might freak out the most and who might piss everyone else off. And Hannah Ann winning and Victoria F. taking second is the answer to that equation. Sure.

I just feel like Peter is very attentive to everyone's emotional breakdowns. Whenever he sees crying, he just jumps in there to help make them feel better, which I guess is very sweet. The job of the bachelor. Yeah bachelor yeah i guess he just was like with victoria he's like let me let me give you some more privacy and like took her to a different corner of the go-to antique store i think that was the same place that they go to on the braille it's called like daddy's antiques or something like that it is that's what it's like some name very there's one in culver city that they have it's like a it's a favorite spot for group date yeah they it's and i get it why it's like a lot of different setups different setups

yeah you know it's easy to stage works out nicely yeah i get it do you like that about him peter yeah that he's attentive yeah i think peter seems like a really sweet guy i bet he'd be a really good boyfriend i think he seems like a just a really good dude i don't know much but everything i know about peter i really enjoy yeah i met him last week he was like really delightful he was like gracious and courteous and like just sort of like very willing i think from the very beginning you could tell that he was like excited about the experience and i think that makes for a good bachelor because like he's not like annoyed at having to do stuff he like just he seems to be really throwing himself into it completely and And I think that

that's very sweet. But like he also like, I feel like he takes this stuff really seriously. So when the girls start crying, he's like really concerned. He's probably just

really confused. Right. It must be overwhelming. What's that like? It's hard. Week two. You're like, like how many names

does he know for this group date? Well, we were saying that I really, I love the authenticity from Peter about how he's just kind of like, I don remember i love that it's it's really great like remind me well at this date he's literally maybe anywhere from 60 seconds to maybe five

minutes of conversation broken up by a 48 hour break right right so how many days on versus days off do you have so it's like two days on. From night one, there's a day break between night one and when it actually starts. Right, so night one is the Thursday starts on Saturday. And so we got to see Maddie's one-on-one was the first date. So this is what the second date we're seeing. So it's still the first day.

No, the second day, sorry. So this is like, yeah, there was a hour day break in terms of when he's seen he's seen these women so he's talked to some of these women some of them he has not talked to at all i always talked to him for like two minutes and then like someone came in and now he's saying now with them again yeah a million things are going through his head he doesn't remember any of it don't they normally cut that out like the not remembering them why you think yes and no i because i looking back i don't remember a lot of times where i even admitted to the women like i don't i'm sorry i don't remember i so i get he's saying you would have to i feel like i really liked your attitude by like

the time you were being choked by jasmine you were just like nah i just want i just want what I want and I'm not sorry. No, I wasn't. Oh, I forgot about that. That was really at the end of my rope at that night. That's one of my favorite moments because you were so clearly like, fuck this. It was pretty funny. Shout out, Jasmine. Yeah, shout out. So yeah, I think Peter's just, I love that he's just kind of.

He wants to like take care of people. I think that's clear's just kind of... He wants to take care of people. I think that's clear. And it seems like he wants to take care of women. I think every bachelor is like that. I mean, you are just, there's a sense, there's this responsibility you have as the bachelor. You don't want to be seen as a dick.

You do empathize with the women. You literally have been there. You know it's hard. So you do feel bad if like you are forgetting some of their names that you make you feel bad because you remember being on the other side just wanting to like stand out a little bit or just not having to go home so it's it's tough that way yeah i think with victoria it's gonna get harder and harder to like talk about her like just in the context of the show because we mentioned this on my pod

already it's come out that she like modeled for this organization trying to save white marlins but they called it white lives matter which is just like so stupid and not understanding the gravity of what you're talking about so disappointed in that yes it's terrible it's really really terrible when she took out when she walked out i was a huge like the bottle thing i was it she was she seems like one of the most physically naturally beautiful yes i agree with that much makeup it's just kind of like like like literally effortless right um so that's it is there's a lot there's a lot of stories floating around about her and that that of all the other ones are kind of like i don't know if they're true i've been trying to avoid spoilers because there's some stuff but that one there's pictures of her it's fucked up and stupid and

like totally not understanding the world so i'm out on victoria like you don't think there's any chance it's just about fish even if there is if there is there's like a confederate flag in the advertising co-op the the phrase black black lives matter and turn it into white lives matters like some funny pun is completely unacceptable like that's just like so messed up and to not have anyone in your life to be like oh maybe don't do that i don't know even if you're just a model and you just got hired and people have agency and the jobs they accept yeah i think sometimes you feel like you don't i don't know that much about that world i'm just playing devil's i i get it i mean i who knows i i agree with you in terms of the other rumors you hear it's like who knows so

much he said she said potential in there but here it's i i hope that she addresses that me too i hope you know one thing because to your point i i'm a big believer like you can do and say ignorant things it doesn't mean you are forever ignorant sometimes you can do and say ignorant things it doesn't mean you are forever ignorant sometimes you can do things and as long as you're willing to learn

and change and accept fault and move on I'm willing to you know not label you forever you know but

you know I haven't always been as educated about certain topics as I am now and I always continue to learn you also had

the benefit of going on this show how old are you when you're on andy i was older yeah that makes a huge difference huge huge you know you know who you are you know things about the world no i mean that's the maddie stuff and genuine and real like again she here's this 23 year old girl you know yeah sure she feels old and she's never been this old, but she doesn't know what is going on. And she's thrusted in the stardom and she's getting all this advice. And I do absolutely empathize with all these women and these new expectations of what this world is going to bring you and what it doesn't. And it's almost, they know too much. They're too read in, so to speak. There's a level of ignorance and and not knowing

what you're getting yourself into that is actually protects you as a cast member and now they know too much yeah i think and also it's just like a different scene like when peter came last week he explained that his mom had first suggested he's apply like four or five years ago and then he just like finally got the call back to be on hannah season and there's just a whole new generation of contestants now who grew up watching the show with the phenomenon that it is like really since i think you know basically since andy season and since where they bring so much more um knowledge about the ecosystem and and kind of social media in a way that like people who are just like yeah my friend sister suggested it or like oh my my my sister thought it would be a good idea it's just it's just different how people end up at the show than they than they used to

like it's almost a career path i mean even it's not even like putting all that aside where and i think that the people get a lot of heat for like wanting to launch a career by being on the bachelor and whatnot but like they just are aware of television and social media and this show as a franchise in a really different way. And it's covered really differently. When the show first started, it was written off as a joke and TV writers didn't think about it. But now Us Weekly and Cosmo and The Ringer and Bustle

and all these places cover it breathlessly. When it's on, it leads. Yeah. Ilessly when it's on it leads yeah i mean it's it's it's the biggest click what do you think about that new show they just announced the live music one i mean i think if nothing else it speaks to how popular the show is and they're literally literally thinking of anything to keep momentum going on the show i don't not for me if you got chris harrison in in your clutch and you can get. Not for me. If you've got Chris Harrison in your clutch and you can get more ways for him to host, you do it.

That man is a great host. Yeah. Are you going to watch that show? Oh, I'll give it a shot for sure. I'll give it a shot. You're the music. You love a good musical. I feel like this is right up your alley.

Oh, I love musicals too. Musicals is different than American Idol. Have you watched Zoe's Extraordinary Playlist? No, on Hulu, right? Yeah, it's going to be on NBC, I think. But yeah, I started it. It's good. It's good? Okay, I'll give it a try. So is this more like American Idol meets The Bachelor? I honestly don't know, but I assumed.

Nor do I. I'm not sure either. It doesn't make sense to me. So I don't know how... What is your ability to sing and your desire for love have really... How does that work? You have to find both? You have to have both no no i don't know i don't know either but i'll give it a shot i'm just hoping summer games comes back this

summer for the olympics oh we don't know oh summer oh because they had winter games yeah oh nick counter-programming go to would you go on summer games would you go on any of these shows again you're such an athlete not not i would never i mean i'm always happy to support the franchise uh i would not go on as a contestant in the pursuit of love would you do the wells job would you be the bartender sure i would i would show up and do that for fun this the sake bartender for uh i mean that's basically what i did on my season of paradise was just kind of for ashley specifically. Just kind of like give people... It was like questions with Nick on the

beach. What else have we not covered? Well, you didn't talk about Hannah. I know you talked about Hannah a lot on her pod. Extensively. Can we just touch on it? Sure. Hannah. I think Peter's very sincere. I think I get where Hannah's coming from.

It's very relatable to what we talk about here on Questions with Nick. I mean, what Hannah is doing is what a lot of people have done in relationships. It's like the classic case of you break up with someone or you get dumped by someone. You don't want them, but you don't want them to move on. You move on. They're about to move on. You pop back in their life and you want to hear that they still love you. Okay. they're about to move on you pop back in their life and you want to hear that they still love you okay so i was listening to caitlin bristow's podcast and she said it was possible that the

producers swayed her from picking peter because they wanted him for the bachelor do you think that's a possibility discussed on yeah okay i wasn't there is it possible sure but it's a flawed theory. And here's why. Because if, like, that only works if at the end of the day. She's positive it's Jed. She's positive it's Jed. Oh, okay. Because they wouldn't swear from someone who's positive. Listen, they do care about love. Peter could have been the runner-up and been the bachelor.

It's happened. This is not like, oh, you have to be the third runner up, right? So if she was sincerely torn, she would have absolutely said, I don't know yet. And then I've been like, okay, well, let's just go with it. Okay. Right? So I think that's a flawed theory. Also, let's not forget, as we've mentioned, Peter's her fourth choice, not her third. How?

Because she would have picked Luke P if he didn't totally fuck it up. Oh my God, that's so true. You know, so in terms of people she actually was connecting with, Peter's fourth. And I don't care what she says, it's total revisionist history. I just want to note,

I still hope Peter and Hannah end up together. You want this to work. I do. You're romantic at heart. Because Peter, that's Peter's girl. I am romantic at heart, that's true. But I just think they have like this crazy chemistry and like it's so sexual explore it a little bit more guys my god they were

like literally about to kiss for five minutes peter is very into hannah that much is real i think he really likes a southern girl if we've learned anything between Hannah and Hannah, Hannah Brown, Madison, Sydney. I think, I think that even Kelly had Southern connections too. Like he just likes the Southern girl. I just don't buy Hannah's connection. Listen,

I'm not hating on Hannah here. We've all been there, but I, I don't buy that. It's too convenient that he's the bachelor now. And it's too convenient that everyone loves Peter. And you know, it didn't work out with her for like her other three choices so like i don't buy that i don't really like you i'm just yeah that's one of the things he always says right here yeah and

it's on the mug it's on the mug uh i overheard an amazing conversation recently where i heard this guy explaining to his friend where he was just like i'm just really done with the casual dating just for the sex like it's just not worth it to me anymore like i'm only going out with girls i actually like i have enough sex otherwise i was just like okay dude cool it was insane and he was talking as if he's really like he's had to turn down a lot of offers like he's really woke now and now he's ready to be genuine and yeah yes exactly it was like it was classic he also like definitely just assumed he was like in a safe space but i assure you it was public i wasn't he was dropping and he was just

like going on and on about it uh i know you already talked about champagne gate um on other podcasts but can everyone was being so nice to her that's what i love the other women kelsey they were really comforting i think they were just afraid of her she's losing her shit and they're like hey man like don't cry don't kill me what do you want me to do she was nuts yeah but i have to give it to the editing i love that they showed us what was gonna happen first so we could just like be clenching our chairs the whole time i think in general marketing yeah i think in general yeah i think they have also i like how they've kind of owned like with the revolve stuff they've

owned the fact that spoilers get out and they've seen from the last couple of seasons that you can tease the really big moment and people still want to be a part of the build-up jump the fence i mean jump the fence when went for the paradise when josh and i had our like fight quote-unquote on the beach they were showing that preview since episode one you know they show it every week it's it's uh it works yeah it does work and I think it's just I I do think that it's cool that the show still evolves after 24 bachelors they have to otherwise and you're right I'm glad or die yeah if you're not growing you're dying I love that they're doing that. And like, yeah, who are you fooling at this point in terms of like these...

And the cult around it is so strong. People aren't watching just like, I gotta know what happens. But they want to see all the antics and all the craziness. And like, that's why people like the bloopers at the end of the episode while the credits are rolling and all that.

Before I let you go, I know that you enjoy being spoiled or free. Peter has actively almost the point of like, even for me, it's surprising. Like Adam and Lee said, no one's going to spoil this season. Right. He's seemingly almost overconfident.

Even Chris Harris said, and one of the executive producers is like, I mean, hey, good for him for being confident. But like, yeah, I don't know if that's possible. Right. But yet to this day, no one knows. And I will say that- Do you know?

I have no idea. And then when I did talk to Peter, he often, what happens is like my interactions with leads in the past, they'll just be like, hey, I can tell you, right? Can I tell you? Like, I don't. And I don't try to know,

but you could tell Peter was very careful around me. So I didn't ask, but you could tell he didn't want, I like that. It's important to him, no one can find out. But that being said, how? I mean, like, I'm surprised that, I don't know how it's not gonna get out because even if he doesn't tell anyone and if he, let's assume he's with someone

and she doesn't tell anyone, so many people still know the end. A minimum of 100 people who work on the show yeah and then unless the end isn't written yet well even that would have been spoiled right the there's some sort of conclusion even if like you know for if it's a harry situation there's some sort of finality whatever it's ended whatever that ended however that ended no one knows that right so it's two years today that ari broke up with becca how do you know that anniversary it's january 13th it was it was january 2018 what do you think happens can i well the reason i

brought that up do you have any guesses can i since since we are spoiler free and peter is so adamant that we'll not get it right. Based on what we've seen of Chris Harrison being like, I've just got this news. I think he was, let her go. I think,

I think that mom clip is a red herring. I think that's, that's more of like a, in general, like find the love of your life and bring her. It could have been like something his dad, her dad said to her. And she's telling a story.

I don't think that's so specific to one person. I don't think the mom was like, Madison, she was essential to Vavra Duel. Bring her home to us. You're probably right. I think Peter was going to propose and then kind of like the Cassie situation. Well, I just feel like Colton thought Cassie wasn't into it or something like that. I just think he was going to propose, then has to change his mind. Basically, like what's happened to The Bachelorette many times where they've been broken up with by their first choice, like Allie and Des.

And then has to choose someone else. And maybe he doesn't propose, but they're together like old school bachelor. And Rachel, right? With Peter? Well, it depends who you ask on that one. Oh. Right, Nick? Peter was not her that one. Oh. Right, Nick? Peter was not

her first choice. Okay. You think he was? No, no. I think Rachel's had a lot of feelings about how her finale was portrayed.

Oh. But no, she never, she always wanted Brian. It was always Brian. You can tell from the makeout sounds that those two had,

it turned out very high. I think she's sensitive to the perception that people thought it was the other way around. Yeah. So that's my guess. That's your guess. He's with someone

but they're not engaged. So if you are right, that's three seasons in a row of... No engagement. Yeah. Or broken engagement. You know,

I'm really happy for Ari and Lauren as time goes by. Absolutely. I just feel like that was the right couple. Maybe one of the most right couples right in the bachelor for all the thought they got and i even said at the time it's like wait why is he like like what he did and he messed up he maybe didn't handle it that well but like why becca's not happy with gary becca seems so

happy are you gonna go to the live show why should you be with someone you don't want to be with? No. That doesn't sound fun to me. I'm sure it's great and great for a lot of Blasher fans. Have you been? Ben told me he has to sing and dance or at least dance. That I am curious about. What? There's some performance required of Ben Higgins.

I can't imagine Ben singing and dancing. That's funny. I am curious about that. I'm going to go. You don't want to go with me? If it's in LA, I'll go with you. It is in LA. It's the end of February. Every show he's going to sing and dance? I don't know the details. Ben mentioned that. If you go and get tickets, I will tag along. All right, wonderful.

But I'm not highly motivated to see it. I will definitely go. I'll tag along. But I hear it's great. You know, that's just a me thing. Well, Juliette, I think we have to wrap up here, but thanks for doing this. Thanks for having me.

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